From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 01:34:19 2011 From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:34:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Community service organizing meeting Message-ID: How do you feel about community service? Do you volunteer your time once in a while in the community or with your local church and want to find other blind individuals to connect with? Do you find community service interesting but are not sure that you as a blind person can get involved or don’t know how to begin? Here's you're oppertunity! Come Join a group of federationests at the community service organizing meeting at national convention! Come learn about the goals of this new and exciting group and how we can utilize community service to further the goals of the national federation of the blind. We will meet on Sunday, July 3 in Wekiwa 9, Level 2, from 3:30 p.m until 6 p.m. Should you have any questions, please contact Coordinator Darian Smith at dsmithnfb at gmail.comm. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 01:52:59 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 21:52:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessible? Message-ID: <4e0d287e.4145340a.1e77.5d67@mx.google.com> Ok, thanks! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "dreicer, zachary" From top tech tidbits, look at item #6. Sent from my BRAILLENOTE Apex ---- Original Message ------ From: "Flying Blind, LLC" Dear Federationists, This is the final reminder with regards to Southern Strums, please read the message below and contact me for more information. I will have limited access to Email starting later on today, since I will be heading out to Orlando, but please contact me at the telephone number listed below if you have any questions, or if you'd like to pre-order tickets. PS. If you'd like to performe, also please give me a call. --- The Texas Association of Blind Students cordially invites’ you to the 2011 Southern Strums House Concert Series!!! Southern Strums is the largest fundraiser that TABS holds annually, and for your convenience it is being held Saturday July 2nd, Sunday July 3rd, and Monday July 4, 2011 in the Rosen Shingle Creek Hotel during the NFB National Convention. at 10:30 PM each night. Room name and/or number to be announced soon. We will be bringing together the greatest federation musicians for your listening pleasure. In addition to great acoustic music, we will be providing refreshments, and a CD of the best 2011 Southern Strums performances. Come join us for music, food, fun, to reconnect with old friends and make new ones! Tickets are $12.00 each night, or you can purchase a pass for all three nights for $30.00, that’s a $6.00 discount!!! Southern Strums tickets can be pre-ordered by contacting Juan Carlos Munoz at jcmunoz1989 at gmail.com or me at gcazares10 at gmail.com We will also have tickets on hand for purchase at convention, we hope you will take time to support your fellow federationist performers, as well as one of the most active student divisions in the nation. If you have any questions or concerns, Please feel free to contact me. Gabriel M. Cazares, 2nd Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students – TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) Email: gcazares10 at gmail.com Phone: 713-581-0619 From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 06:43:58 2011 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 01:43:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Slate Message-ID: <000d01cc37ba$4247aca0$c6d705e0$@com> Dear NABS, Please find attached to this message the pre-convention issue of our quarterly publication, the Student Slate. Big thanks go to Darian Smith and Cindy Bennett for procuring articles for the issue on short notice. On a brief personal note, I have thoroughly enjoyed having the opportunity to work on this newsletter over the past two years. It is our hope that readers have found the Slate informative and beneficial. And, I'd be remiss if I didn't give a huge thank you to Karen Anderson for all of her help over these past eight issues. We look forward to continuing to provide a quality product to NABS members, others in the NFB, and the general public over the coming term. Thanks for reading! Take care, Sean Whalen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Complete Student Slate Summer 2011.doc Type: application/msword Size: 103936 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 14:11:05 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:11:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Thank You All! In-Reply-To: References: <4e0c9787.0d41340a.1c74.4114@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Actually, there were some really well- attended nabs membership calls in the past year *smile*. But, Absolutely, Thanks to all involved for making this call a success! Without the joint support of the membership,Board, past nabs presidents, members of the federation and Gabs student divisions presidents, we wouldn't have had sucha truly wonderful call! See you! Darian On 6/30/11, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Thanks Chris. I'm sure David is working on it. I'll try to contact him. > Mary > > On 6/30/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Mary, >> >> Just FYI, I checked the nabslinkaudio.org site and last night's >> call wasn't in the archive. Am I missing something? >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mary Fernandez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> , New Jersey Association of Blind Students >> ,GABS , Presidents >> > Date sent: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:11:27 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Thank You All! >> >> Hello Everyone! >> I just want to take this time to thank all of you who called into >> the >> first ever NABS candidates' forum! Last night's call was the best >> attended membership call NABS has had in the last year. So thank >> you >> for making it a success! >> To the candidates, thank you for giving of your time and offering >> your >> best. After last night, I think all of us can agree that whoever >> sits >> in the NABS board next year, will take NABS to a whole new level >> and >> make it a better organization. >> If you were not able to make it, the call was recorded, you can >> hear it at: >> http://www.nabslinkaudio.org >> David thanks so much for doing this for us~ >> >> Thank you to Ollie Cantos for moderating the call. His >> professionalism >> truly made the call fair and smooth. >> Thanks to Arielle for offering her support and being fully on >> board >> with this idea when I pitched it to her on Sunday night. Finally >> thanks to all of you who took the time and thought to submit >> your >> questions. They were the driving force behind the discussion and >> were >> reflective of some of the issues that the membership seems to >> have. >> Finally, it is my hope and personal goal that last night's call >> was >> the start of a NABS tradition and that eventually we can hold a >> forum >> for all candidates on the board! I will see you all at >> convention! >> Sincerely, >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> President: Georgia Association of Blind Students >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> >> "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would >> much >> rather you weren't doing it." >> Terry Pratchett >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > President: Georgia Association of Blind Students > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > > "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much > rather you weren't doing it." > Terry Pratchett > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.” — Shaquille O'Neal From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 14:52:48 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 10:52:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Slate Message-ID: <4e0ddf45.874de50a.749a.ffff9542@mx.google.com> Hey Sean, Thank you for posting this! Also, big thanks to you, Karen, and Dominic for producing such an awesome publication! I have an idea for those who will be in charge of the Slate next year: can someone on the committee please email the Slate out to everyone on the list when each issue comes out? I think it would be a lot easier for a lot of us. Thanks again! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Whalen" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment Type: application/octet-stream Size: 312 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bfs1206 at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 16:26:59 2011 From: bfs1206 at gmail.com (Brianna Scerenscko) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:26:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] uploding videos to youtube using Jaws Message-ID: Hey it's Brianna again. :) I just created a Youtube channel but I can't use the uplode form. Is it inexcessible? How do I uplode a video to Youtube using Jaws? Thanks Brianna On 7/1/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hey Sean, > > Thank you for posting this! Also, big thanks to you, Karen, and > Dominic for producing such an awesome publication! I have an idea > for those who will be in charge of the Slate next year: can > someone on the committee please email the Slate out to everyone > on the list when each issue comes out? I think it would be a lot > easier for a lot of us. Thanks again! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Whalen" To: Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 01:43:58 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Slate > > Dear NABS, > > > > Please find attached to this message the pre-convention issue of > our > quarterly publication, the Student Slate. Big thanks go to > Darian Smith and > Cindy Bennett for procuring articles for the issue on short > notice. > > > > On a brief personal note, I have thoroughly enjoyed having the > opportunity > to work on this newsletter over the past two years. It is our > hope that > readers have found the Slate informative and beneficial. > > > > And, I'd be remiss if I didn't give a huge thank you to Karen > Anderson for > all of her help over these past eight issues. We look forward to > continuing > to provide a quality product to NABS members, others in the NFB, > and the > general public over the coming term. > > > > Thanks for reading! > > > > Take care, > > > > Sean Whalen > > > > > > > -- Brianna Scerenscko From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 16:32:40 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 12:32:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] uploding videos to youtube using Jaws Message-ID: <4e0df6ac.4f76e50a.29c9.ffff9609@mx.google.com> Brianna, Unfortunately, YouTube isn't accessible currently. However, you may want to try YourTube, an accessible version of YouTube and see if it works. Here's the link: www.povidi.com/yourtube. Hope this helps! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Brianna Scerenscko wrote: Hey Sean, Thank you for posting this! Also, big thanks to you, Karen, and Dominic for producing such an awesome publication! I have an idea for those who will be in charge of the Slate next year: can someone on the committee please email the Slate out to everyone on the list when each issue comes out? I think it would be a lot easier for a lot of us. Thanks again! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Whalen" References: <4e0df6ac.4f76e50a.29c9.ffff9609@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thank You :-) On 7/1/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Brianna, > > Unfortunately, YouTube isn't accessible currently. However, you > may want to try YourTube, an accessible version of YouTube and > see if it works. Here's the link: www.povidi.com/yourtube. Hope > this helps! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brianna Scerenscko To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:26:59 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] uploding videos to youtube using Jaws > > Hey it's Brianna again. :) > I just created a Youtube channel but I can't use the uplode form. > Is > it inexcessible? How do I uplode a video to Youtube using Jaws? > Thanks > Brianna > > > On 7/1/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hey Sean, > > Thank you for posting this! Also, big thanks to you, Karen, and > Dominic for producing such an awesome publication! I have an > idea > for those who will be in charge of the Slate next year: can > someone on the committee please email the Slate out to everyone > on the list when each issue comes out? I think it would be a lot > easier for a lot of us. Thanks again! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Whalen" To: Date sent: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 01:43:58 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Slate > > Dear NABS, > > > > Please find attached to this message the pre-convention issue of > our > quarterly publication, the Student Slate. Big thanks go to > Darian Smith and > Cindy Bennett for procuring articles for the issue on short > notice. > > > > On a brief personal note, I have thoroughly enjoyed having the > opportunity > to work on this newsletter over the past two years. It is our > hope that > readers have found the Slate informative and beneficial. > > > > And, I'd be remiss if I didn't give a huge thank you to Karen > Anderson for > all of her help over these past eight issues. We look forward > to > continuing > to provide a quality product to NABS members, others in the NFB, > and the > general public over the coming term. > > > > Thanks for reading! > > > > Take care, > > > > Sean Whalen > > > > > > > > > > -- > Brianna Scerenscko > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%40gmail.com > -- Brianna Scerenscko From dandrews at visi.com Fri Jul 1 17:16:38 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 12:16:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Mobile Speak 5.5 for Symbian is now available! Message-ID: > >Caroline Ragot - Marketing >marketing at codefactory.es > >Mobile Speak 5.5 > > >Mobile Speak 5.5 for Symbian is now available! > > > > > >Support for Symbian Anna, Nokia E6 & X7, >Graphics labeler, Nokia Search app, Nokia Help >menus, New Acapela voices, and more. > > > > > >Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, July 1st, 2011 > > > >Code Factory is proud to announce a new version >of Mobile Speak for Symbian, v5.5. Only three >and a half months after the release of V5.0 at >the San Diego CSUN conference, the developers of >the Spanish company are showing us that they are >still strongly committed to Symbian. > >“At Code Factory our two current priorities are >Symbian and Android. In less than 4 years >Android has reached a 35% smartphone market >share and Symbian has lost its leadership >position. However Symbian remains the most >advanced platform for screen reading technology >and this is why we keep investing development >resources in Nokia smartphones,” explained >Eduard Sánchez, Code Factory’s CEO. “Symbian >Anna, the latest flavor of the Nokia OS is >faster, simpler and better. The Nokia E6 is a >fantastic phone. It has enough keys to do >everything without having to use the touchscreen >and Mobile Speak 5.5 works just great on it,” added Eduard. > > >Support for upcoming Symbian Anna firmware >upgrade and latest Nokia smartphones > > > > * Symbian^3 Anna is the latest operating > system available on all Symbian^3 phones. It > comes built-in with the Nokia E6 and X7, while > it is available as a recommended software > upgrade for other Symbian^3 devices (N8, E7, C7 > and C6-01). For users of Mobile Speak, > Symbian^3 Anna provides an improved user > experience when navigating around lists and > menus in Keypad or Joystick modes, since it > will in general maintain focus on one of the > list items when opening a new list. All apps > and features supported in previous versions of > Symbian^3 are also supported in Symbian^3 Anna, > including the new web browser and email client. > * Added support for recently released Nokia > E6 and X7 devices. The E6 is certain to be a > popular choice for blind and visually impaired > users who prefer the traditional QWERTY > keyboard interface. It is physically very > similar to other candybar-shaped QWERTY phones > like the E71, E72 or E5. All standard keys are > present except for the soft keys. However, > Mobile Speak reorganizes the use of the keys > while it is loaded: the Calendar Key (to the > left of the joystick and below the Menu key) > has been modified to act as the left soft key, > and the Contacts key (to the right of the > joystick and below the Email key) to be the > right soft key. This means that it is not > necessary to use the touch screen at all to > have full access to the E6 (except for a couple > of gestures in apps like the web browser, to > bring up the web options grid). The default > Command key is the Email key on the E6 and the Camera key on the X7. > > >Graphics Labeler > > > > * Mobile Speak v5.5 introduces a graphics > labeler. This powerful tool allows many images, > graphics and icons to be labeled so that a > specific text phrase can be spoken whenever the > graphic is encountered on the screen. > * By default, some graphics are already > labeled when you install Mobile Speak v5.5 > (e.g. when adding an entry to the calendar on > some devices such as the C5 or any Symbian^3 > phones, there are icons next to each field to > indicate their meaning). However in most other > places, you will need to add your own labels. > This can be done in a very straightforward > manner using the Review Cursor (Command + 3). > * Graphics labels are stored in an XML file > and can be easily shared between devices. > > >Support for new apps and new voices > > > > * New Acapela HQ voices: US English Tracy, > French Antoine, Spanish Ines, Danish Rasmus, > Indian English Deepa, Finland Swedish Samuel > and Italian Fabiana. In addition, all Acapela > HQ voices, as well as Czech Sabrine, French > Caroline and Spanish Javier, have been updated. > * Support for the phone's online Help (User > Guide) in most phones where it previously was > not accessible (i.e. Symbian 9.3 and all Touch > phones). These pages are found as an option by > pressing the left soft key in most system > applications. As soon as these help pages are > opened on these devices, their full contents > will start to be read, without the need to > press any shortcuts. They can then be read in a > very convenient way, using the same shortcuts > available when reading emails in the new Nokia > email client (e.g. 2 to jump to top, 8 to jump > to bottom), or read by word/sentence/paragraph > etc by using Mobile Speak shortcuts in the reading layout. > * Support for the phone's Search application > (available on most devices from Symbian 9.2 and > above). This powerful application allows you to > rapidly search for specific content on your > device. You can enter a search string and all > results will be shown and updated as you type. > Search categories include: Music, Contacts, > Calendar, Messages, E-mail, Bookmarks, Images, > Videos, Applications, Notes, Files, Landmarks, Call Log and Help files. > > >New Features > > * Added "Vibration feedback" option. When > activated, a slight vibration will be noticed > when the command mode expires. This > configurable option is called "Vibration > feedback" and is configured in the General tab > in Configure Mobile Speak. Default is ON for all profiles. > * Added "Volume on headset" option (on 9.3, > 5th and Symbian^3 devices). When a Bluetooth or > a wired headset is connected, Mobile Speak will > use this setting for the volume automatically. > * Web: Added new jump-to feature. With the 1 > key, you can now jump by character, word or > sentence with the joystick left/right keys. > * While writing an SMS, shortcut for reading > state (Command + Left Soft Key) will first > speak the number of remaining characters. > * Added "Screensaver feedback" option. This > allows you to control what it spoken when the > screensaver status is changed. You can now > choose to speak the current time and/or screeen > saver status whenever the screen saver is turned off. > * 9.3 phones: support for the new v3.09 > email client, which is available now via software update on many 9.3 phones. > > >More > > > > * Touch: Major improvements to stability and > performance of the Touch Review Cursor mode. > This is activated by moving through the touch > modes with Command + volume up/down. When in > Review Cursor mode, move your finger around the > screen to hear the text under your finger. To > open an item, remove your finger while it is > placed on the item of interest and double tap anywhere on the screen. > * Games: Updated games pack to v5.0. Now > games work properly on Symbian^3 devices (we > recommend using keypad mode on touch phones). > * Ovi Maps: If you have a Symbian^3 device, > we recommend you to install Ovi Maps v3.04 > which is the version supported by Mobile Speak. > You can find the downloads and installation > instructions at > http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=414#1.4 > > * A large number of other improvements and > bug fixes, as detailed in our User Manual here > http://www.codefactory.es/descargas/family_4/ms55_userguide_symbian.html#_Toc297216718 > > >If you are a new user, download Mobile Speak 5.5 >now at >http://codefactory.es/en/downloads.asp?id=348#version_0_106 >and try it for 30 days for free. If you are a >user of a previous version from Mobile Speak 4.0 >and wish to upgrade to Mobile Speak 5.5, contact >your distributor to purchase an upgrade license. >In addition to all the improvements and new >features of Mobile Speak 4.0, 4.5, 4.6, 5.0 and >5.5, if you purchase an upgrade license, you >will also get Mobile Magnifier, Mobile DAISY >Player, Color Recognizer and the Games for >free! To consult the complete list of Code >Factory’s official distributors, visit >http://www.codefactory.es/en/page.asp?id=351 > > >To learn how to install or upgrade to a latest >version of Mobile Speak, please consult the user >guide at >http://www.codefactory.es/download.asp?file=family_4/ms50_userguide_symbian.html > > > >About Code Factory > > > >Founded in 1998 and headquartered in Terrassa >(Barcelona), Spain, Code Factory is the global >leader committed to the development of products >designed to eliminate barriers to the >accessibility of mobile technology for the blind >and visually impaired. Today, Code Factory is >the leading provider of accessible mobile >applications such as screen readers, screen >magnifiers, and Braille interfaces. Code >Factory’s products are compatible with the >widest range of mainstream mobile devices >running on Symbian, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry >Smartphones, and Android. Among Code Factory's >customers are well known organizations for the >blind such as ONCE in Spain, and carriers such >as AT&T, Bouygues Telecom, SFR, TIM and Vodafone. > >For more information, feel free to contact Code Factory S.L.: > > >Code Factory, S.L., Rambla d'Egara 148 2-2, 08221 Terrassa (Barcelona) >HelpDesk, www.codefactory.es >Code Factory, S.L. - 2011 From jim at knfbreader.com Fri Jul 1 18:39:37 2011 From: jim at knfbreader.com (James Gashel) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 13:39:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sessions on Accessible Books at NFB Convention Message-ID: For those attending the 2011 NFB convention in Orlando, Please follow this link for information on sessions about accessible books on Sunday, July 3, Monday, July 4, and Thursday, July 7. Come and learn how Blio books are accessible to everyone! Best Regards, James Gashel Vice President of Business Development K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc. Direct phone: (720) 295-7401 Fax: (781) 263-9999 Skype: james.gashel email: jim at knfbreader.com http://www.knfbreader.com From support at levelstar.com Fri Jul 1 20:44:24 2011 From: support at levelstar.com (Levelstar Support) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:44:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Introducing the Levelstar Orion 18 Braille Tablet Message-ID: Orion 18 Braille Tablet by LevelStar – So much more than a notetaker Description: Description: Picture of Orion 18 LevelStar LLC is proud to announce the powerful Orion 18 Braille tablet, developed in partnership with American Printing House for the Blind (APH). Sporting an 18-cell Braille display with router keys, and speaking with the stunningly natural Ivona Speech, Orion 18 is The World’s first notetaker for the blind powered by Android, the mobile environment that is taking the World by storm. With its highly ergonomic and quiet Braille keyboard, and packed with the most advanced features ever integrated into a Braille notetaker, the sleek Orion 18 Braille tablet is compact enough to fit in a purse or coat pocket. Discover the Orion 18 Advantage · Talk with your friends, family, and colleagues from virtually anywhere, with Orion’s integrated cell phone. · Slide Orion 18 into its handsome carrying case, and then walk to work, to school, along busy city streets, or explore quaint vacation spots, assisted by its powerful GPS navigation. · Take a quick snapshot of a printed menu, a magazine, or even a book page with Orion’s built-in 5Mp camera, and then read them on the go. · Stay connected! Orion’s fast wireless and 3G broadband let you work, study, and play virtually anywhere you are. · Find and download your favorite Bookshare EBooks on the go; conveniently read them on Orion’s refreshable Braille display, or let Orion’s human-like speech read them to you. · Play your favorite music on Orion’s stereo speakers. · Quickly record a short voice note, or an entire lecture, with Orion’s integrated microphone. · Jot down notes for meetings and lectures, or comfortably write documents with Orion’s intuitive word processor, and then save files in popular formats. · Thanks to Orion 18’s staggering 32GB of internal solid-state storage, Experience the full power of Android, and enjoy third party programs. Product availability: 4th quarter 2011. Pricing to be announced. Learn More Join the LevelStar Orion discussion group: send a blank email to Orion-discuss-request at freelists.org?subject=subscribe For more information about Orion 18, and one chance to win an Orion 18 Braille tablet, E-mail Orion at orion at levelstar.com. Include your name, address, and phone number, or call LevelStar toll-free: (800) 315-2305, extension 1. Visit LevelStar at http://www.levelstar.com Guido D. Corona Director Marketing Levelstar LLC. 685 South Arthur Ave. Unit 1A Louisville, Colorado 80027 Toll free: (800) 315-2305, x.706 Email: guido at levelstar.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cf8cf53.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8203 bytes Desc: not available URL: From support at levelstar.com Fri Jul 1 20:47:29 2011 From: support at levelstar.com (Levelstar Support) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:47:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LevelStar Orion 18 at the 2011 NFB National Convention Message-ID: LevelStar Orion 18 at the 2011 NFB National Convention The World at your fingertips: inside the smallest and coolest 18-cell Braille notetaker ever, powered by Android, and by the amazing voice of Ivona Speech. Empower yourself with Orion’s integrated cell phone, camera and print recognition, GPS navigation, Bookshare EBooks, classic note taking, and so much more. Discover the new LevelStar Orion 18 Braille Tablet during the 2011 NFB National Convention in Orlando (Florida), from July 3rd to July 8th, at the Rosen Shingle Creek Resort. Drop by the LevelStar booth during exhibit hours, and experience Orion 18: Sebastian K and L Ballrooms, Level 1, tables B1 and B36, just across from the NFB information desk. Do not miss any of the following exciting Orion 18 presentations: Orion 18 In Depth, Thursday July 7th, starting 5:30 PM, 6:30 PM, and 7:30 PM · Title: The World’s smallest and coolest 18-cell Braille notetaker in action: cell phone and 3G communications, document camera and print recognition, GPS navigation, Bookshare and NLS, classic note taking, and so much more, all integrated inside the Orion 18 Braille tablet. Presenters: Marc Mulcahy, and Guido Corona. Location: Wakiwa 6 Presentation Times: 5:30 PM to 6:25 PM; 6:30 PM to 7:25 PM; 7:30 PM to 8:25 PM. General Sessions, Thursday July 7th, 9:00 AM to 12:00 PM · Title: An Accessible Android PDA Speaker: Marc Mulcahy (LevelStar Vice President, Engineering). Presentation Time: 10:50 am to 11:05 AM. Location: Sebastian I and J Ballrooms, Level 1 NFB In Computer Science, Tuesday July 5th, 12:30 PM to 5:00 pm · Title: What does Android mean for the future of accessibility to mobile devices for the blind? Presenter: Marc Mulcahy (LevelStar Vice President, Engineering). Presentation Time: 1:05 PM to 1:30 PM. Location: Wekiwa 6, Level 2. Committee On Research And Development, Wednesday July 6th, 8:00 PM to 10:00 pm · Title: Android, open systems, and LevelStar Orion: evolution in Mobile Devices for the blind. Presenter: Marc Mulcahy (LevelStar Vice President, Engineering). Presentation Time: 8:50 to 9:05 PM. Location: Suwannee 11, Level 2. For more information about the 2011 NFB National Convention, visit: http://www.nfb.org/nfb/National_Convention.asp Guido D. Corona Director Marketing Levelstar LLC. 685 South Arthur Ave. Unit 1A Louisville, Colorado 80027 Toll free: (800) 315-2305, x.706 Email: guido at levelstar.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 20:53:31 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 16:53:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] FW: Introducing the Levelstar Orion 18 Braille Tablet Message-ID: <4e0e33d0.e925340a.2f6e.6dc7@mx.google.com> SW50ZXJlc3RpbmchCgogQ2hyaXMKCiJBIGxvc3Mgb2Ygc2lnaHQsIG5ldmVyIGEgbG9zcyBvZiB2 aXNpb24hIiAoQ2FtcCBBYmlsaXRpZXMgbW90dG8pCgpUaGUgSSBDLkEuTi4gIEZvdW5kYXRpb24g aGVscHMgdmlzdWFsbHkgaW1wYWlyZWQgeW91dGggaW4gCk1hcnlsYW5kIGhhdmUgdGhlIGFiaWxp dHkgdG8gY29uZmlkZW50bHkgc2F5ICJJIGNhbiEiIEhvdz8gQ2xpY2sgCm9uIHRoaXMgbGluayB0 byBsZWFybiBtb3JlIGFuZCB0byBjb250cmlidXRlOiAKd3d3LmljYW5mb3VuZGF0aW9uLmluZm8g b3IgbGlrZSB1cyBvbiBGYWNlYm9vayBhdCBJIEMuQS5OLiAgCkZvdW5kYXRpb24uCgoKCiBTZW50 IGZyb20gbXkgQnJhaWxsZU5vdGUKCiAKCgpPcmlvbiAxOCBCcmFpbGxlIFRhYmxldCBieSBMZXZl 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Message-ID: <4e0e9b72.c1122a0a.4d96.06eb@mx.google.com> Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For more, here's a clip of the article. Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination 6/29/2011 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's Actions Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the National Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane Toth and Jamie Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University (FSU) and its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department of Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato by failing to provide them with proper accommodations so that they could successfully complete required math courses for their respective degree programs. The violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible Web-based application to complete homework assignments, tests, and quizzes; requiring the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to respond to in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide Braille versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon accommodation plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students complained of these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the Department of Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even hostile, and did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a result, both students are currently unable to continue their degree programs and find their careers indefinitely on hold. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it rarely stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, however, involves the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the rights of these two students, whose academic records have now suffered irreparable damage and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, embarrassment, humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The National Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous treatment of blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as fully as necessary in order to ensure that these young people are compensated for the egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of Mathematics." The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. Goldstein, Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm Brown, Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law Offices of Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. Beth Taurasi Sent from my BrailleNote Apex From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Jul 2 04:43:18 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 23:43:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: <4e0e9b72.c1122a0a.4d96.06eb@mx.google.com> References: <4e0e9b72.c1122a0a.4d96.06eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Wow! Jamie Principato? I hope they're successful. The FSU and other universities need to stop discriminating against us. I just heard this, from this list. Blessings, Joshua On 7/1/11, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any > students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are > suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math > department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For > more, here's a clip of the article. > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > 6/29/2011 > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > CONTACT: > Chris Danielsen > Director of Public Relations > National Federation of the Blind > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's Actions > Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the > National > Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane > Toth and Jamie > Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University > (FSU) and > its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department of > Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato by > failing to > provide them with proper accommodations so that they could > successfully > complete required math courses for their respective degree > programs. The > violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible > Web-based > application to complete homework assignments, tests, and quizzes; > requiring > the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to > respond to > in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide > Braille > versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon > accommodation > plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students > complained of > these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the > Department of > Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even > hostile, and > did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and > Ms. > Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a > result, both > students are currently unable to continue their degree programs > and find > their careers indefinitely on hold. > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the > Blind, said: > "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it > rarely > stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, > however, involves > the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the rights > of these > two students, whose academic records have now suffered > irreparable damage > and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, > embarrassment, > humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The > National > Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous > treatment of > blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as > fully as > necessary in order to ensure that these young people are > compensated for the > egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of > Mathematics." > > The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. > Goldstein, Sharon > Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm > Brown, > Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law > Offices of > Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. > > Beth Taurasi > Sent from my BrailleNote Apex > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 08:10:53 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 02:10:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] bookshare error, please help! Message-ID: <4e0ed291.822e2b0a.159b.3703@mx.google.com> Hi, guys. I was unzipping Bookshare files, but the command keeps coming back with a bad error. Basically, I typed in the password and all that correctly, but it says, "Unable to access the file or folder for writing." Help! Beth From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 15:20:14 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:20:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Message-ID: <4e0f3734.6272e60a.2544.40fe@mx.google.com> That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth did you subscribe Sent from my BRAILLENOTE Apex ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum From top tech tidbits, look at item #6. Sent from my BRAILLENOTE Apex ---- Original Message ------ From: "Flying Blind, LLC" References: <4e0ed291.822e2b0a.159b.3703@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Beth, have you E-mailed Bookshare Support, about this? Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. I was unzipping Bookshare files, but the command keeps > coming back with a bad error. Basically, I typed in the password > and all that correctly, but it says, "Unable to access the file > or folder for writing." Help! > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Jul 2 19:21:15 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 14:21:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: <4e0f3734.6272e60a.2544.40fe@mx.google.com> References: <4e0f3734.6272e60a.2544.40fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish > you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one > that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll > have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any > students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are > suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math > department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For > more, here's a clip of the article. > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > 6/29/2011 > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > CONTACT: > Chris Danielsen > Director of Public Relations > National Federation of the Blind > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's Actions > Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the > National > Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane > Toth and Jamie > Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University > (FSU) and > its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department of > Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato > by > failing to > provide them with proper accommodations so that they could > successfully > complete required math courses for their respective degree > programs. The > violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible > Web-based > application to complete homework assignments, tests, and quizzes; > requiring > the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to > respond to > in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide > Braille > versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon > accommodation > plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students > complained of > these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the > Department of > Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even > hostile, and > did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and > Ms. > Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a > result, both > students are currently unable to continue their degree programs > and find > their careers indefinitely on hold. > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the > Blind, said: > "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it > rarely > stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, > however, involves > the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the rights > of these > two students, whose academic records have now suffered > irreparable damage > and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, > embarrassment, > humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The > National > Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous > treatment of > blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as > fully as > necessary in order to ensure that these young people are > compensated for the > egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of > Mathematics." > > The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. > Goldstein, Sharon > Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm > Brown, > Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law > Offices of > Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. > > Beth Taurasi > Sent from my BrailleNote Apex > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jp100 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 2 20:05:12 2011 From: jp100 at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 13:05:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Video Cams Message-ID: <000001cc38f3$5aecab90$10c602b0$@net> Hello everyone, I sure wish I could be a convention with you guys! I've missed going these past couple of years. Next year, I hope that will work out! I have a question. I have a built-in web cam on my new laptop. Could I use it to record a simple video to put up on Youtube? If so, what kind of program would I need to do that? Has anyone here done it? What else would I need to make it work for me? Any help would be appreciated. Of course, I need that program to work with JAWS! Jim From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 20:26:21 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 14:26:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] bookshare error, please help! Message-ID: <4e0f7ef3.e231440a.25e6.4b44@mx.google.com> I did not. I think it's a HumanWare issue. But I'll try that. Beth P.S. if anybody has any idea whhat I should do, please contact me off list. Also, if anybody has any iea if Read2Go is available from Bookkshare on the App store for Itunes, let me know. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, guys. I was unzipping Bookshare files, but the command keeps coming back with a bad error. Basically, I typed in the password and all that correctly, but it says, "Unable to access the file or folder for writing." Help! Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 62%40students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 21:22:36 2011 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (blackbyrdfly at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: References: <4e0f3734.6272e60a.2544.40fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8A0B7944-3B68-4FEA-A6C9-0D7FD9CFCB63@gmail.com> Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. See you all in Orlando! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Yes she is. > Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. > I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop > discriminating against the disabled. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish >> you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one >> that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll >> have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >> >> Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any >> students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are >> suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math >> department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For >> more, here's a clip of the article. >> >> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >> 6/29/2011 >> >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> CONTACT: >> Chris Danielsen >> Director of Public Relations >> National Federation of the Blind >> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 >> (410) 262-1281 (Cell) >> cdanielsen at nfb.org >> >> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >> National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's Actions >> Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the >> National >> Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane >> Toth and Jamie >> Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University >> (FSU) and >> its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department of >> Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato >> by >> failing to >> provide them with proper accommodations so that they could >> successfully >> complete required math courses for their respective degree >> programs. The >> violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible >> Web-based >> application to complete homework assignments, tests, and quizzes; >> requiring >> the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to >> respond to >> in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide >> Braille >> versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon >> accommodation >> plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students >> complained of >> these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the >> Department of >> Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even >> hostile, and >> did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and >> Ms. >> Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a >> result, both >> students are currently unable to continue their degree programs >> and find >> their careers indefinitely on hold. >> >> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the >> Blind, said: >> "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it >> rarely >> stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, >> however, involves >> the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the rights >> of these >> two students, whose academic records have now suffered >> irreparable damage >> and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, >> embarrassment, >> humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The >> National >> Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous >> treatment of >> blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as >> fully as >> necessary in order to ensure that these young people are >> compensated for the >> egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of >> Mathematics." >> >> The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. >> Goldstein, Sharon >> Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm >> Brown, >> Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law >> Offices of >> Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. >> >> Beth Taurasi >> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 21:48:57 2011 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:48:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: <8A0B7944-3B68-4FEA-A6C9-0D7FD9CFCB63@gmail.com> References: <4e0f3734.6272e60a.2544.40fe@mx.google.com> <8A0B7944-3B68-4FEA-A6C9-0D7FD9CFCB63@gmail.com> Message-ID: good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay your words > of encouragement to Christopher as well. > > See you all in Orlando! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> Yes she is. >> Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. >> I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop >> discriminating against the disabled. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish >>> you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one >>> that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll >>> have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Beth >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >>> >>> Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any >>> students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are >>> suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math >>> department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For >>> more, here's a clip of the article. >>> >>> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >>> 6/29/2011 >>> >>> >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> CONTACT: >>> Chris Danielsen >>> Director of Public Relations >>> National Federation of the Blind >>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 >>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell) >>> cdanielsen at nfb.org >>> >>> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >>> National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's Actions >>> Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the >>> National >>> Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane >>> Toth and Jamie >>> Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University >>> (FSU) and >>> its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department of >>> Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato >>> by >>> failing to >>> provide them with proper accommodations so that they could >>> successfully >>> complete required math courses for their respective degree >>> programs. The >>> violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible >>> Web-based >>> application to complete homework assignments, tests, and quizzes; >>> requiring >>> the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to >>> respond to >>> in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide >>> Braille >>> versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon >>> accommodation >>> plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students >>> complained of >>> these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the >>> Department of >>> Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even >>> hostile, and >>> did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and >>> Ms. >>> Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a >>> result, both >>> students are currently unable to continue their degree programs >>> and find >>> their careers indefinitely on hold. >>> >>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the >>> Blind, said: >>> "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it >>> rarely >>> stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, >>> however, involves >>> the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the rights >>> of these >>> two students, whose academic records have now suffered >>> irreparable damage >>> and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, >>> embarrassment, >>> humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The >>> National >>> Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous >>> treatment of >>> blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as >>> fully as >>> necessary in order to ensure that these young people are >>> compensated for the >>> egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of >>> Mathematics." >>> >>> The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. >>> Goldstein, Sharon >>> Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm >>> Brown, >>> Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law >>> Offices of >>> Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. >>> >>> Beth Taurasi >>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 22:16:52 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 16:16:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Message-ID: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth References: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I would also like to see an article on this on the Braille monitor as well as the Nabs publication The Student Slate. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 3:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth References: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community college? I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate Algebra. I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help, on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community colleges, nationwide. Something more needs to be done. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: > I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens > during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and > stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one > lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of > errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those > errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay > your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. > > See you all in Orlando! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > Yes she is. > Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. > I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop > discriminating against the disabled. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I > wish > you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one > that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll > have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any > students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are > suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math > department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For > more, here's a clip of the article. > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > 6/29/2011 > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > CONTACT: > Chris Danielsen > Director of Public Relations > National Federation of the Blind > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's > Actions > Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the > National > Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane > Toth and Jamie > Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University > (FSU) and > its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department > of > Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato > by > failing to > provide them with proper accommodations so that they could > successfully > complete required math courses for their respective degree > programs. The > violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible > Web-based > application to complete homework assignments, tests, and > quizzes; > requiring > the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to > respond to > in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide > Braille > versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon > accommodation > plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students > complained of > these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the > Department of > Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even > hostile, and > did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and > Ms. > Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a > result, both > students are currently unable to continue their degree programs > and find > their careers indefinitely on hold. > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the > Blind, said: > "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it > rarely > stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, > however, involves > the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the > rights > of these > two students, whose academic records have now suffered > irreparable damage > and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, > embarrassment, > humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The > National > Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous > treatment of > blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as > fully as > necessary in order to ensure that these young people are > compensated for the > egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of > Mathematics." > > The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. > Goldstein, Sharon > Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm > Brown, > Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law > Offices of > Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. > > Beth Taurasi > Sent from my BrailleNote Apex > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd > fly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 23:13:55 2011 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (blackbyrdfly at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 19:13:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> References: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1EF4211F-4975-4F77-B0E4-F2DA33DC7B23@gmail.com> Beth, I don't know what you're talking about. What do you mean errors? Email me off list please. Jamie Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Beth wrote: > I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. > > See you all in Orlando! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > > Yes she is. > Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. > I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop > discriminating against the disabled. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish > you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one > that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll > have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any > students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are > suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math > department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For > more, here's a clip of the article. > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > 6/29/2011 > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > CONTACT: > Chris Danielsen > Director of Public Relations > National Federation of the Blind > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's Actions > Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the > National > Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane > Toth and Jamie > Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University > (FSU) and > its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department of > Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato > by > failing to > provide them with proper accommodations so that they could > successfully > complete required math courses for their respective degree > programs. The > violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible > Web-based > application to complete homework assignments, tests, and quizzes; > requiring > the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to > respond to > in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide > Braille > versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon > accommodation > plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students > complained of > these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the > Department of > Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even > hostile, and > did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and > Ms. > Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a > result, both > students are currently unable to continue their degree programs > and find > their careers indefinitely on hold. > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the > Blind, said: > "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it > rarely > stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, > however, involves > the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the rights > of these > two students, whose academic records have now suffered > irreparable damage > and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, > embarrassment, > humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The > National > Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous > treatment of > blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as > fully as > necessary in order to ensure that these young people are > compensated for the > egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of > Mathematics." > > The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. > Goldstein, Sharon > Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm > Brown, > Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law > Offices of > Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. > > Beth Taurasi > Sent from my BrailleNote Apex > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd > fly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 2 23:47:57 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 19:47:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> References: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Beth, I thought you attended FSU. So do you have problems with accomodations? Yes, I hope they win the lawsuit. This situation sounds very familiar. Northern virginia community college, Nova, did not provide adaquate math accomodations to some blind students either, like no brailled book. II'm glad NFB is fighting this because something needs to be done to hold schools accountable. Nova doesn't even have an updated jaws. So if you need to use the school's computers for research or anything, you are at a disadvantage. If your class goes to a computer lab to do assignments, you're also at a disadvantage because jaws doesn't work well with the new windows systems; they really need to upgrade jaws. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth References: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Joshua, Yes it’s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed to provide braille math books too. Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then they are not providing you adaquate accomodations. A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the electronic text from the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille display will read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into nemeth braille. So read it on the braille display. Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader type the information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, emboss the material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the display from the computer. Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it to learn it, so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? NBP has transcribed college level texts before. They might have an algebra book your school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's textbook, but the concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more info about a book. That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be transcribed and embossed to braille. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community college? I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate Algebra. I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help, on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community colleges, nationwide. Something more needs to be done. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: > I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens > during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and > stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one > lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of > errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those > errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay > your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. > > See you all in Orlando! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > Yes she is. > Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. > I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop > discriminating against the disabled. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I > wish > you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one > that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll > have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any > students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are > suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math > department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For > more, here's a clip of the article. > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > 6/29/2011 > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > CONTACT: > Chris Danielsen > Director of Public Relations > National Federation of the Blind > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's > Actions > Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the > National > Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane > Toth and Jamie > Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University > (FSU) and > its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department > of > Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato > by > failing to > provide them with proper accommodations so that they could > successfully > complete required math courses for their respective degree > programs. The > violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible > Web-based > application to complete homework assignments, tests, and > quizzes; > requiring > the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to > respond to > in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide > Braille > versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon > accommodation > plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students > complained of > these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the > Department of > Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even > hostile, and > did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and > Ms. > Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a > result, both > students are currently unable to continue their degree programs > and find > their careers indefinitely on hold. > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the > Blind, said: > "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it > rarely > stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, > however, involves > the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the > rights > of these > two students, whose academic records have now suffered > irreparable damage > and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, > embarrassment, > humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The > National > Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous > treatment of > blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as > fully as > necessary in order to ensure that these young people are > compensated for the > egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of > Mathematics." > > The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. > Goldstein, Sharon > Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm > Brown, > Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law > Offices of > Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. > > Beth Taurasi > Sent from my BrailleNote Apex > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd > fly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 2 23:59:48 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 19:59:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] See you at convention! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C4920951E4E41119B267C0F55A1067F@OwnerPC> Enjoy convention Annemarie. Isn't it sad RFB downsized? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Annemarie Cooke Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:01 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] See you at convention! Hey NABSters! As you know, I worka s a consultant to Learning Ally, formerly RFB&D and have worked at the exhibit hall during convention. This year, I will still be at convention but will be working t the NFB NJ cchapter table. Nothing's wrong; just that times are hard all over for nonprofit organizations as you well know and full-time staff members will be atthe LA booth and speaking athe NABS meeting. I look forward to greeting as many of youa s possible during the week in Orlando! Safe travels to all of you! Annemarie Cooke _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 00:03:59 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 18:03:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Message-ID: <4e0fb1f5.c926440a.4098.65bb@mx.google.com> Ashley, =09That's=20weird.=20=20My=20access=20isssues=20at=20FSU=20included=20a=20p= rofessor=20 who=20popped=20tests=20in=20my=20face=20without=20SDRC,=20the=20disability= =20 office,=20knowing=20it.=20=20Then=20government=20class=20used=20a=20clicker= ,=20 one=20of=20those=20transmitters=20Jamie=20and=20Chris=20are=20all=20upset=20= about.=20=20I=20was=20left=20out,=20but=20did=20all=20my=20quizes=20on=20th= e=20 BrailleNote.=20=20But=20alas,=20the=20professors=20didn't=20get=20my=20answ= ers=20 instantly.=20=20That's=20why=20they're=20suffering=20now. Beth =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20=20wrote: =20I=20won't=20be=20in=20Orlando,=20but=20call=20me=20and=20tell=20me=20wha= t=20happens =20during=20the=20general=20sessions.=20=20I=20can't=20go=20because=20of=20= money=20and =20stuff.=20=20Jamie,=20I'd=20love=20to=20see=20FSU=20get=20bombed=20with=20= more=20than=20one =20lawsuit=20about=20discrimination=20against=20the=20blind.=20=20You=20got= =20lots=20of =20errors=20in=20their=20accessibility=20policy,=20but=20I=20have=20yet=20t= o=20see=20 those =20errors.=20=20I=20hope=20to=20see=20an=20article=20about=20this=20in=20th= e=20Monitor. =20Beth =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20blackbyrdfly at gmail.com =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20=20wrote: =20=20Yes=20she=20is. =20=20Jamie,=20this=20message=20is=20to=20you,=20when=20you=20look=20at=20t= his=20list=20 again. =20=20I=20pray=20that=20you're=20successful,=20and=20that=20other=20univers= ities=20stop =20=20discriminating=20against=20the=20disabled. =20=20Blessings,=20Joshua =20=20On=207/2/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20=20That=20is...=20=20outrageous!=20I=20believe=20Jamie's=20on=20this=20l= ist,=20so=20I =20wish =20=20you=20the=20best=20of=20luck!=20Mr.=20=20Goldstein=20is=20a=20great=20= lawyer=20and=20one =20=20that=20NFB=20has=20been=20working=20with=20for=2020=20years,=20so=20I= =20think=20you'll =20=20have=20a=20good=20chance=20of=20winning=20the=20case!=20Good=20luck! =20=20Chris =20=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20= Abilities =20motto) =20=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20yout= h=20in =20=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"= =20How?=20 Click =20=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute: =20=20www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C= .A.N. =20=20Foundation. =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Beth=20 References: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ashley, if you read my other posts, I don't have a note taker, anymore. I'll bring up NBP, this year. Thanks for bringing them up! Also, the college is only authorized to put Jaws on one computer. They can't put it on every one. I can't understand why. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joshua, > Yes it’s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed to provide > braille math books too. > Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because > its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. > RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then they are not > providing you adaquate accomodations. > A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the electronic text from > the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille display will > read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into nemeth braille. > So read it on the braille display. > Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader type the > information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, emboss the > material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the display from > the computer. > > Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it to learn it, > so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. > Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? NBP has > transcribed college level texts before. They might have an algebra book your > school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's textbook, but the > concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more info about a > book. > That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be transcribed and > embossed to braille. > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community college? > I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate Algebra. > I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help, > on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning > Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. > I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. > This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community > colleges, nationwide. > Something more needs to be done. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: >> I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens >> during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and >> stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one >> lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of >> errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those >> errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >> >> Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay >> your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. >> >> See you all in Orlando! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >> Yes she is. >> Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. >> I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop >> discriminating against the disabled. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I >> wish >> you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one >> that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll >> have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >> >> Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any >> students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are >> suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math >> department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For >> more, here's a clip of the article. >> >> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >> 6/29/2011 >> >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> CONTACT: >> Chris Danielsen >> Director of Public Relations >> National Federation of the Blind >> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 >> (410) 262-1281 (Cell) >> cdanielsen at nfb.org >> >> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >> National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's >> Actions >> Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the >> National >> Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane >> Toth and Jamie >> Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University >> (FSU) and >> its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department >> of >> Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato >> by >> failing to >> provide them with proper accommodations so that they could >> successfully >> complete required math courses for their respective degree >> programs. The >> violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible >> Web-based >> application to complete homework assignments, tests, and >> quizzes; >> requiring >> the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to >> respond to >> in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide >> Braille >> versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon >> accommodation >> plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students >> complained of >> these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the >> Department of >> Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even >> hostile, and >> did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and >> Ms. >> Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a >> result, both >> students are currently unable to continue their degree programs >> and find >> their careers indefinitely on hold. >> >> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the >> Blind, said: >> "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it >> rarely >> stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, >> however, involves >> the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the >> rights >> of these >> two students, whose academic records have now suffered >> irreparable damage >> and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, >> embarrassment, >> humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The >> National >> Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous >> treatment of >> blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as >> fully as >> necessary in order to ensure that these young people are >> compensated for the >> egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of >> Mathematics." >> >> The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. >> Goldstein, Sharon >> Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm >> Brown, >> Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law >> Offices of >> Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. >> >> Beth Taurasi >> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd >> fly%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 01:08:38 2011 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (blackbyrdfly at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 21:08:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: <4e0fb1f5.c926440a.4098.65bb@mx.google.com> References: <4e0fb1f5.c926440a.4098.65bb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <10619FE9-0167-4DC3-A8C6-822DA23022D4@gmail.com> Actually our major issue is with egrade in the math department, but yes, the clockers to pose problems in some classes. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2011, at 8:03 PM, Beth wrote: > Ashley, > That's weird. My access isssues at FSU included a professor who popped tests in my face without SDRC, the disability office, knowing it. Then government class used a clicker, one of those transmitters Jamie and Chris are all upset about. I was left out, but did all my quizes on the BrailleNote. But alas, the professors didn't get my answers instantly. That's why they're suffering now. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 19:55:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Joshua, > Yes it’s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed to provide > braille math books too. > Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because > its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. > RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then they are not > providing you adaquate accomodations. > A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the electronic text from > the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille display will > read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into nemeth braille. > So read it on the braille display. > Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader type the > information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, emboss the > material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the display from > the computer. > > Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it to learn it, > so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. > Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? NBP has > transcribed college level texts before. They might have an algebra book your > school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's textbook, but the > concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more info about a > book. > That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be transcribed and > embossed to braille. > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community college? > I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate Algebra. > I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help, > on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning > Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. > I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. > This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community > colleges, nationwide. > Something more needs to be done. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: > I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens > during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and > stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one > lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of > errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those > errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay > your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. > > See you all in Orlando! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > Yes she is. > Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. > I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop > discriminating against the disabled. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I > wish > you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one > that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll > have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any > students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are > suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math > department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For > more, here's a clip of the article. > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > 6/29/2011 > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > CONTACT: > Chris Danielsen > Director of Public Relations > National Federation of the Blind > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's > Actions > Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the > National > Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane > Toth and Jamie > Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University > (FSU) and > its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department > of > Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato > by > failing to > provide them with proper accommodations so that they could > successfully > complete required math courses for their respective degree > programs. The > violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible > Web-based > application to complete homework assignments, tests, and > quizzes; > requiring > the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to > respond to > in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide > Braille > versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon > accommodation > plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students > complained of > these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the > Department of > Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even > hostile, and > did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and > Ms. > Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a > result, both > students are currently unable to continue their degree programs > and find > their careers indefinitely on hold. > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the > Blind, said: > "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it > rarely > stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, > however, involves > the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the > rights > of these > two students, whose academic records have now suffered > irreparable damage > and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, > embarrassment, > humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The > National > Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous > treatment of > blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as > fully as > necessary in order to ensure that these young people are > compensated for the > egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of > Mathematics." > > The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. > Goldstein, Sharon > Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm > Brown, > Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law > Offices of > Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. > > Beth Taurasi > Sent from my BrailleNote Apex > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd > fly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 3 01:35:39 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 21:35:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: References: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Joshua, As for jaws, sometimes classes are in computer labs or visit computer labs. Mine did so for freshman english. You have a right to use the computer with jaws. If your school can only place jaws on one computer, then they bought the wrong authorization key. I don't know the specifics; FS could tell you. But I believe there is a network license where jaws can be placed on multiple computers. As for brailled texts, yes ask them about other sources. NBP can give them a cost estimate rather quickly. Their website says Textbooks Our qualified staff follows the rules for literary, Nemeth, music, and computer braille codes as set forth by the Braille Authority of North America (BANA). So they do all types of brailling including math and music. Good luck with advocacy. Its too bad you don't have a braille display as I think that would be helpful to read your work and notes. Unless you are a auditory learner, its easy to miss something by just listening. I always study via my braille Note for tests. Reading my notes helps me remember them better. And I like being able to find things easily via the find command or place markers. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Ashley, if you read my other posts, I don't have a note taker, anymore. I'll bring up NBP, this year. Thanks for bringing them up! Also, the college is only authorized to put Jaws on one computer. They can't put it on every one. I can't understand why. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joshua, > Yes it’s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed to provide > braille math books too. > Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because > its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. > RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then they are > not > providing you adaquate accomodations. > A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the electronic text from > the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille display will > read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into nemeth braille. > So read it on the braille display. > Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader type the > information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, emboss the > material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the display > from > the computer. > > Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it to learn > it, > so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. > Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? NBP has > transcribed college level texts before. They might have an algebra book > your > school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's textbook, but the > concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more info about a > book. > That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be transcribed and > embossed to braille. > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community > college? > I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate Algebra. > I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help, > on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning > Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. > I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. > This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community > colleges, nationwide. > Something more needs to be done. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: >> I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens >> during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and >> stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one >> lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of >> errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those >> errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >> >> Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay >> your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. >> >> See you all in Orlando! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >> Yes she is. >> Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. >> I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop >> discriminating against the disabled. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I >> wish >> you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one >> that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll >> have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >> >> Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any >> students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are >> suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math >> department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For >> more, here's a clip of the article. >> >> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >> 6/29/2011 >> >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> CONTACT: >> Chris Danielsen >> Director of Public Relations >> National Federation of the Blind >> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 >> (410) 262-1281 (Cell) >> cdanielsen at nfb.org >> >> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >> National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's >> Actions >> Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the >> National >> Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane >> Toth and Jamie >> Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University >> (FSU) and >> its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department >> of >> Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato >> by >> failing to >> provide them with proper accommodations so that they could >> successfully >> complete required math courses for their respective degree >> programs. The >> violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible >> Web-based >> application to complete homework assignments, tests, and >> quizzes; >> requiring >> the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to >> respond to >> in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide >> Braille >> versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon >> accommodation >> plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students >> complained of >> these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the >> Department of >> Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even >> hostile, and >> did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and >> Ms. >> Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a >> result, both >> students are currently unable to continue their degree programs >> and find >> their careers indefinitely on hold. >> >> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the >> Blind, said: >> "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it >> rarely >> stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, >> however, involves >> the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the >> rights >> of these >> two students, whose academic records have now suffered >> irreparable damage >> and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, >> embarrassment, >> humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The >> National >> Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous >> treatment of >> blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as >> fully as >> necessary in order to ensure that these young people are >> compensated for the >> egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of >> Mathematics." >> >> The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. >> Goldstein, Sharon >> Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm >> Brown, >> Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law >> Offices of >> Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. >> >> Beth Taurasi >> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd >> fly%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Jul 3 02:11:37 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 21:11:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: References: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If anyone can help me find a good deal on a Pac Mate, with a 20 cell display, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Joshua On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joshua, > As for jaws, sometimes classes are in computer labs or visit computer labs. > Mine did so for freshman english. > You have a right to use the computer with jaws. If your school can only > place jaws on one computer, then they bought the wrong authorization key. > I don't know the specifics; FS could tell you. But I believe there is a > network license where jaws can be placed on multiple computers. > > As for brailled texts, yes ask them about other sources. > NBP can give them a cost estimate rather quickly. Their website says > Textbooks > Our qualified staff follows the rules for literary, Nemeth, music, and > computer braille codes as set forth by the Braille Authority of North > America (BANA). > > So they do all types of brailling including math and music. > > Good luck with advocacy. Its too bad you don't have a braille display as I > think that would be helpful to read your work and notes. Unless you are a > auditory learner, its easy to miss something by just listening. > I always study via my braille Note for tests. Reading my notes helps me > remember them better. And I like being able to find things easily via the > find command or place markers. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Ashley, if you read my other posts, I don't have a note taker, anymore. > I'll bring up NBP, this year. > Thanks for bringing them up! > Also, the college is only authorized to put Jaws on one computer. > They can't put it on every one. > I can't understand why. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Joshua, >> Yes it’s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed to provide >> braille math books too. >> Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because >> its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. >> RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then they are >> not >> providing you adaquate accomodations. >> A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the electronic text from >> the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille display will >> read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into nemeth braille. >> So read it on the braille display. >> Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader type the >> information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, emboss the >> material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the display >> from >> the computer. >> >> Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it to learn >> it, >> so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. >> Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? NBP has >> transcribed college level texts before. They might have an algebra book >> your >> school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's textbook, but the >> concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more info about a >> book. >> That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be transcribed and >> embossed to braille. >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >> >> Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community >> college? >> I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate Algebra. >> I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help, >> on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning >> Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. >> I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. >> This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community >> colleges, nationwide. >> Something more needs to be done. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: >>> I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens >>> during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and >>> stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one >>> lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of >>> errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those >>> errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >>> >>> Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay >>> your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. >>> >>> See you all in Orlando! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes she is. >>> Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. >>> I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop >>> discriminating against the disabled. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I >>> wish >>> you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one >>> that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll >>> have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >>> motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Beth >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >>> >>> Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any >>> students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are >>> suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math >>> department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For >>> more, here's a clip of the article. >>> >>> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >>> 6/29/2011 >>> >>> >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> CONTACT: >>> Chris Danielsen >>> Director of Public Relations >>> National Federation of the Blind >>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 >>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell) >>> cdanielsen at nfb.org >>> >>> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >>> National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's >>> Actions >>> Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the >>> National >>> Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane >>> Toth and Jamie >>> Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University >>> (FSU) and >>> its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department >>> of >>> Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato >>> by >>> failing to >>> provide them with proper accommodations so that they could >>> successfully >>> complete required math courses for their respective degree >>> programs. The >>> violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible >>> Web-based >>> application to complete homework assignments, tests, and >>> quizzes; >>> requiring >>> the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to >>> respond to >>> in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide >>> Braille >>> versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon >>> accommodation >>> plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students >>> complained of >>> these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the >>> Department of >>> Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even >>> hostile, and >>> did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and >>> Ms. >>> Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a >>> result, both >>> students are currently unable to continue their degree programs >>> and find >>> their careers indefinitely on hold. >>> >>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the >>> Blind, said: >>> "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it >>> rarely >>> stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, >>> however, involves >>> the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the >>> rights >>> of these >>> two students, whose academic records have now suffered >>> irreparable damage >>> and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, >>> embarrassment, >>> humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The >>> National >>> Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous >>> treatment of >>> blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as >>> fully as >>> necessary in order to ensure that these young people are >>> compensated for the >>> egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of >>> Mathematics." >>> >>> The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. >>> Goldstein, Sharon >>> Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm >>> Brown, >>> Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law >>> Offices of >>> Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. >>> >>> Beth Taurasi >>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd >>> fly%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 05:34:14 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 01:34:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: References: <4e0f98da.e231440a.4f50.4e8c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: This is what Freedomscientific website says. Multi-user options are available for JAWS Professional and Standard licenses, MAGic Professional licenses only, and all OpenBook licenses. They may be purchased in blocks of five seats in all cases. In the US, please call 1-800-444-4443 for pricing. International customers, please contact your local distributor for pricing. Site License: Specifically designed for educational institutions, public libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to better the lives of the visually impaired. The Site License may only be used at one designated location. District License: Also designed for educational institutions, public libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to better the lives of the visually impaired. This license allows the institution to install the software at more than one facility. Enterprise License: Tailored to meet the needs of private businesses and government agencies. The enterprise license may be installed in multiple locations, but may only be used on machines owned by the specified company or agency. So your school would have to get a District License. My school allows me to put a demo on any and all of the computers I wish. better than nothing but not as great as having a full version. What about using one of those thumb drive Jaws? I need to look online on how that will work. I am going to take a computer class in the fall and need to figure out about putting jaws on a computer. My schools says that they only allow up to $250 per student to spend on stuff for school if they are unable to purches it themselves They did start to look in to getting my math and other books in braille until i told them how much it would cost. At least they thought about it! I too face simmular problems that these two are facing. My college uses math labs on the web that is not totally exsessible to blind people. I have to have all my math read to me and is difficult at times when I have to spend hours a week in the learning center as if I am taking a whole other class that I am not getting credit for. On 7/2/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > If anyone can help me find a good deal on a Pac Mate, with a 20 cell > display, I'd appreciate it. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Joshua, >> As for jaws, sometimes classes are in computer labs or visit computer >> labs. >> Mine did so for freshman english. >> You have a right to use the computer with jaws. If your school can only >> place jaws on one computer, then they bought the wrong authorization key. >> I don't know the specifics; FS could tell you. But I believe there is a >> network license where jaws can be placed on multiple computers. >> >> As for brailled texts, yes ask them about other sources. >> NBP can give them a cost estimate rather quickly. Their website says >> Textbooks >> Our qualified staff follows the rules for literary, Nemeth, music, and >> computer braille codes as set forth by the Braille Authority of North >> America (BANA). >> >> So they do all types of brailling including math and music. >> >> Good luck with advocacy. Its too bad you don't have a braille display as I >> think that would be helpful to read your work and notes. Unless you are a >> auditory learner, its easy to miss something by just listening. >> I always study via my braille Note for tests. Reading my notes helps me >> remember them better. And I like being able to find things easily via the >> find command or place markers. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:19 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >> >> Ashley, if you read my other posts, I don't have a note taker, anymore. >> I'll bring up NBP, this year. >> Thanks for bringing them up! >> Also, the college is only authorized to put Jaws on one computer. >> They can't put it on every one. >> I can't understand why. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> Yes it’s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed to >>> provide >>> braille math books too. >>> Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because >>> its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. >>> RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then they are >>> not >>> providing you adaquate accomodations. >>> A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the electronic text >>> from >>> the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille display >>> will >>> read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into nemeth >>> braille. >>> So read it on the braille display. >>> Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader type the >>> information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, emboss the >>> material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the display >>> from >>> the computer. >>> >>> Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it to learn >>> it, >>> so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. >>> Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? NBP has >>> transcribed college level texts before. They might have an algebra book >>> your >>> school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's textbook, but the >>> concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more info about a >>> book. >>> That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be transcribed and >>> embossed to braille. >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >>> >>> Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community >>> college? >>> I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate >>> Algebra. >>> I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help, >>> on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning >>> Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. >>> I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. >>> This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community >>> colleges, nationwide. >>> Something more needs to be done. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: >>>> I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens >>>> during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and >>>> stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one >>>> lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of >>>> errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those >>>> errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >>>> >>>> Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay >>>> your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. >>>> >>>> See you all in Orlando! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes she is. >>>> Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. >>>> I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop >>>> discriminating against the disabled. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I >>>> wish >>>> you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one >>>> that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll >>>> have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >>>> motto) >>>> >>>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >>>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >>>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >>>> Foundation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Beth >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? >>>> >>>> Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any >>>> students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are >>>> suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math >>>> department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For >>>> more, here's a clip of the article. >>>> >>>> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >>>> 6/29/2011 >>>> >>>> >>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>>> CONTACT: >>>> Chris Danielsen >>>> Director of Public Relations >>>> National Federation of the Blind >>>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 >>>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell) >>>> cdanielsen at nfb.org >>>> >>>> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination >>>> National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's >>>> Actions >>>> Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the >>>> National >>>> Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane >>>> Toth and Jamie >>>> Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University >>>> (FSU) and >>>> its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department >>>> of >>>> Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato >>>> by >>>> failing to >>>> provide them with proper accommodations so that they could >>>> successfully >>>> complete required math courses for their respective degree >>>> programs. The >>>> violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible >>>> Web-based >>>> application to complete homework assignments, tests, and >>>> quizzes; >>>> requiring >>>> the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to >>>> respond to >>>> in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide >>>> Braille >>>> versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon >>>> accommodation >>>> plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students >>>> complained of >>>> these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the >>>> Department of >>>> Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even >>>> hostile, and >>>> did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and >>>> Ms. >>>> Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a >>>> result, both >>>> students are currently unable to continue their degree programs >>>> and find >>>> their careers indefinitely on hold. >>>> >>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the >>>> Blind, said: >>>> "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it >>>> rarely >>>> stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, >>>> however, involves >>>> the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the >>>> rights >>>> of these >>>> two students, whose academic records have now suffered >>>> irreparable damage >>>> and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, >>>> embarrassment, >>>> humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The >>>> National >>>> Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous >>>> treatment of >>>> blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as >>>> fully as >>>> necessary in order to ensure that these young people are >>>> compensated for the >>>> egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of >>>> Mathematics." >>>> >>>> The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. >>>> Goldstein, Sharon >>>> Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm >>>> Brown, >>>> Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law >>>> Offices of >>>> Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. >>>> >>>> Beth Taurasi >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >>>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd >>>> fly%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>>> sloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 05:47:31 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 01:47:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Message-ID: <4e10027f.6272e60a.2544.4bea@mx.google.com> OK...=20=20imo,=20cost=20shouldn't=20matter=20to=20these=20guys,=20Lea.=20= =20It=20should=20 be=20about=20accessibility...=20=20and=20helping=20you,=20as=20a=20visually= =20 impaired=20student,=20to=20succeed.=20=20Not=20cost.=20=20And=20only=20250= =20bucks?=20 IDK...=20=20to=20me,=20it=20just=20seems...=20=20wrong. Best, Josh sent=20from=20my=20Apex Email:=20joshkart12 at gmail.com =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Lea=20williams=20=20wrote: =20If=20anyone=20can=20help=20me=20find=20a=20good=20deal=20on=20a=20Pac=20= Mate,=20with=20a=2020=20 cell =20display,=20I'd=20appreciate=20it. =20Thanks,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20=20= wrote: =20Joshua, =20As=20for=20jaws,=20sometimes=20classes=20are=20in=20computer=20labs=20or= =20visit=20 computer =20labs. =20Mine=20did=20so=20for=20freshman=20english. =20You=20have=20a=20right=20to=20use=20the=20computer=20with=20jaws.=20=20I= f=20your=20school=20 can=20only =20place=20jaws=20on=20one=20computer,=20then=20they=20bought=20the=20wrong= =20 authorization=20key. =20I=20don't=20know=20the=20specifics;=20FS=20could=20tell=20you.=20=20But= =20I=20believe=20 there=20is=20a =20network=20license=20where=20jaws=20can=20be=20placed=20on=20multiple=20c= omputers. =20As=20for=20brailled=20texts,=20yes=20ask=20them=20about=20other=20source= s. =20NBP=20can=20give=20them=20a=20cost=20estimate=20rather=20quickly.=20=20T= heir=20website=20 says =20Textbooks =20Our=20qualified=20staff=20follows=20the=20rules=20for=20literary,=20Neme= th,=20 music,=20and =20computer=20braille=20codes=20as=20set=20forth=20by=20the=20Braille=20Aut= hority=20of=20 North =20America=20(BANA). =20So=20they=20do=20all=20types=20of=20brailling=20including=20math=20and=20= music. =20Good=20luck=20with=20advocacy.=20=20Its=20too=20bad=20you=20don't=20have= =20a=20braille=20 display=20as=20I =20think=20that=20would=20be=20helpful=20to=20read=20your=20work=20and=20no= tes.=20=20Unless=20 you=20are=20a =20auditory=20learner,=20its=20easy=20to=20miss=20something=20by=20just=20l= istening. =20I=20always=20study=20via=20my=20braille=20Note=20for=20tests.=20=20Readi= ng=20my=20notes=20 helps=20me =20remember=20them=20better.=20=20And=20I=20like=20being=20able=20to=20find= =20things=20 easily=20via=20the =20find=20command=20or=20place=20markers. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=208:19=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Ashley,=20if=20you=20read=20my=20other=20posts,=20I=20don't=20have=20a=20= note=20taker,=20 anymore. =20I'll=20bring=20up=20NBP,=20this=20year. =20Thanks=20for=20bringing=20them=20up! =20Also,=20the=20college=20is=20only=20authorized=20to=20put=20Jaws=20on=20= one=20 computer. =20They=20can't=20put=20it=20on=20every=20one. =20I=20can't=20understand=20why. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20=20= wrote: =20Joshua, =20Yes=20it=92s=20a=20big=20problem.=20=20At=20nova,=20community=20college,= =20they=20failed=20 to =20provide =20braille=20math=20books=20too. =20Get=20an=20advocate=20involved.=20=20The=20school=20is=20not=20helping=20= because =20its=20very=20expensive=20to=20get=20a=20math=20book=20transcribed=20into= =20braille. =20RFB=20will=20not=20produce=20braille=20and=20if=20that=20is=20what=20you= =20need,=20then=20 they=20are =20not =20providing=20you=20adaquate=20accomodations. =20A=20solution=20is=20electronic=20text=20in=20Word.=20=20If=20you=20get=20= the=20 electronic=20text =20from =20the=20publisher,=20a=20Braille=20Note=20or=20other=20notetaker=20with=20= braille=20 display =20will =20read=20the=20Word=20file.=20=20I=20think=20it=20can=20translate=20the=20= text=20into=20 nemeth =20braille. =20So=20read=20it=20on=20the=20braille=20display. =20Another=20solution=20to=20get=20some=20critical=20concepts=20is=20have=20= a=20reader=20 type=20the =20information=20in=20the=20computer.=20=20Then=20if=20you=20have=20an=20em= bosser,=20 emboss=20the =20material=20or,=20again=20with=20a=20braille=20display,=20just=20read=20i= t=20on=20the=20 display =20from =20the=20computer. =20Its=20not=20a=20perfect=20solution.=20=20But=20yes=20I=20think=20you=20n= eed=20to=20see=20it=20 to=20learn =20it, =20so=20you=20need=20braille=20and=20these=20may=20be=20some=20ways=20to=20= get=20braille. =20Your=20school=20is=20trying=20APH.=20=20How=20about=20National=20braille= =20Press?=20=20 NBP=20has =20transcribed=20college=20level=20texts=20before.=20=20They=20might=20have= =20an=20 algebra=20book =20your =20school=20should=20purchase.=20=20No,=20it=20may=20not=20be=20your=20scho= ol's=20 textbook,=20but=20the =20concepts=20probably=20are=20the=20same.=20=20You=20could=20call=20NBP=20= for=20more=20 info=20about=20a =20book. =20That=20may=20be=20a=20cheaper=20option=20than=20sending=20a=20book=20to= =20be=20 transcribed=20and =20embossed=20to=20braille. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=206:25=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Why=20won't=20someone=20help=20me,=20get=20Braille=20Math=20books,=20for= =20my=20 community =20college? =20I=20haven't=20had=20a=20Braille=20Math=20book,=20and=20it's=20time=20for= =20 Intermediate =20Algebra. =20I've=20already=20gone=20to=20Disability=20services,=20and=20they're=20wi= lling=20to=20 help, =20on=20the=20local=20level,=20but=20they're=20going=20through=20RFBND,=20(= now,=20 Learning =20Ally,)=20instead=20of=20APH,=20for=20the=20Blind. =20I've=20asked=20them=20to=20try=20them,=20but=20I'm=20not=20hearing=20any= thing. =20This=20isn't=20just=20an=20FSU=20issue,=20it's=20universities,=20and=20c= ommunity =20colleges,=20nationwide. =20Something=20more=20needs=20to=20be=20done. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20Beth=20=20wrote: =20I=20won't=20be=20in=20Orlando,=20but=20call=20me=20and=20tell=20me=20wha= t=20happens =20during=20the=20general=20sessions.=20=20I=20can't=20go=20because=20of=20= money=20and =20stuff.=20=20Jamie,=20I'd=20love=20to=20see=20FSU=20get=20bombed=20with=20= more=20than=20one =20lawsuit=20about=20discrimination=20against=20the=20blind.=20=20You=20got= =20lots=20of =20errors=20in=20their=20accessibility=20policy,=20but=20I=20have=20yet=20t= o=20see=20 those =20errors.=20=20I=20hope=20to=20see=20an=20article=20about=20this=20in=20th= e=20Monitor. =20Beth =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20blackbyrdfly at gmail.com =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20=20wrote: =20=20Yes=20she=20is. =20=20Jamie,=20this=20message=20is=20to=20you,=20when=20you=20look=20at=20t= his=20list=20 again. =20=20I=20pray=20that=20you're=20successful,=20and=20that=20other=20univers= ities=20stop =20=20discriminating=20against=20the=20disabled. =20=20Blessings,=20Joshua =20=20On=207/2/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20=20That=20is...=20=20outrageous!=20I=20believe=20Jamie's=20on=20this=20l= ist,=20so=20I =20wish =20=20you=20the=20best=20of=20luck!=20Mr.=20=20Goldstein=20is=20a=20great=20= lawyer=20and=20one =20=20that=20NFB=20has=20been=20working=20with=20for=2020=20years,=20so=20I= =20think=20you'll =20=20have=20a=20good=20chance=20of=20winning=20the=20case!=20Good=20luck! =20=20Chris =20=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20= Abilities =20motto) =20=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20yout= h=20in =20=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"= =20How?=20 Click =20=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute: =20=20www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C= .A.N. =20=20Foundation. =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Beth=20 Just=20a=20thought:=20Cost=20should=20only=20matter=20if=20the=20school=20i= s=20having=20 budget=20issues=20or=20something...=20=20otherwise...=20=20what=20do=20they= =20do=20for=20 students=20without=20disabilities? Best, Josh sent=20from=20my=20Apex Email:=20joshkart12 at gmail.com =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Lea=20williams=20=20wrote: =20If=20anyone=20can=20help=20me=20find=20a=20good=20deal=20on=20a=20Pac=20= Mate,=20with=20a=2020=20 cell =20display,=20I'd=20appreciate=20it. =20Thanks,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20=20= wrote: =20Joshua, =20As=20for=20jaws,=20sometimes=20classes=20are=20in=20computer=20labs=20or= =20visit=20 computer =20labs. =20Mine=20did=20so=20for=20freshman=20english. =20You=20have=20a=20right=20to=20use=20the=20computer=20with=20jaws.=20=20I= f=20your=20school=20 can=20only =20place=20jaws=20on=20one=20computer,=20then=20they=20bought=20the=20wrong= =20 authorization=20key. =20I=20don't=20know=20the=20specifics;=20FS=20could=20tell=20you.=20=20But= =20I=20believe=20 there=20is=20a =20network=20license=20where=20jaws=20can=20be=20placed=20on=20multiple=20c= omputers. =20As=20for=20brailled=20texts,=20yes=20ask=20them=20about=20other=20source= s. =20NBP=20can=20give=20them=20a=20cost=20estimate=20rather=20quickly.=20=20T= heir=20website=20 says =20Textbooks =20Our=20qualified=20staff=20follows=20the=20rules=20for=20literary,=20Neme= th,=20 music,=20and =20computer=20braille=20codes=20as=20set=20forth=20by=20the=20Braille=20Aut= hority=20of=20 North =20America=20(BANA). =20So=20they=20do=20all=20types=20of=20brailling=20including=20math=20and=20= music. =20Good=20luck=20with=20advocacy.=20=20Its=20too=20bad=20you=20don't=20have= =20a=20braille=20 display=20as=20I =20think=20that=20would=20be=20helpful=20to=20read=20your=20work=20and=20no= tes.=20=20Unless=20 you=20are=20a =20auditory=20learner,=20its=20easy=20to=20miss=20something=20by=20just=20l= istening. =20I=20always=20study=20via=20my=20braille=20Note=20for=20tests.=20=20Readi= ng=20my=20notes=20 helps=20me =20remember=20them=20better.=20=20And=20I=20like=20being=20able=20to=20find= =20things=20 easily=20via=20the =20find=20command=20or=20place=20markers. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=208:19=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Ashley,=20if=20you=20read=20my=20other=20posts,=20I=20don't=20have=20a=20= note=20taker,=20 anymore. =20I'll=20bring=20up=20NBP,=20this=20year. =20Thanks=20for=20bringing=20them=20up! =20Also,=20the=20college=20is=20only=20authorized=20to=20put=20Jaws=20on=20= one=20 computer. =20They=20can't=20put=20it=20on=20every=20one. =20I=20can't=20understand=20why. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20=20= wrote: =20Joshua, =20Yes=20it=92s=20a=20big=20problem.=20=20At=20nova,=20community=20college,= =20they=20failed=20 to =20provide =20braille=20math=20books=20too. =20Get=20an=20advocate=20involved.=20=20The=20school=20is=20not=20helping=20= because =20its=20very=20expensive=20to=20get=20a=20math=20book=20transcribed=20into= =20braille. =20RFB=20will=20not=20produce=20braille=20and=20if=20that=20is=20what=20you= =20need,=20then=20 they=20are =20not =20providing=20you=20adaquate=20accomodations. =20A=20solution=20is=20electronic=20text=20in=20Word.=20=20If=20you=20get=20= the=20 electronic=20text =20from =20the=20publisher,=20a=20Braille=20Note=20or=20other=20notetaker=20with=20= braille=20 display =20will =20read=20the=20Word=20file.=20=20I=20think=20it=20can=20translate=20the=20= text=20into=20 nemeth =20braille. =20So=20read=20it=20on=20the=20braille=20display. =20Another=20solution=20to=20get=20some=20critical=20concepts=20is=20have=20= a=20reader=20 type=20the =20information=20in=20the=20computer.=20=20Then=20if=20you=20have=20an=20em= bosser,=20 emboss=20the =20material=20or,=20again=20with=20a=20braille=20display,=20just=20read=20i= t=20on=20the=20 display =20from =20the=20computer. =20Its=20not=20a=20perfect=20solution.=20=20But=20yes=20I=20think=20you=20n= eed=20to=20see=20it=20 to=20learn =20it, =20so=20you=20need=20braille=20and=20these=20may=20be=20some=20ways=20to=20= get=20braille. =20Your=20school=20is=20trying=20APH.=20=20How=20about=20National=20braille= =20Press?=20=20 NBP=20has =20transcribed=20college=20level=20texts=20before.=20=20They=20might=20have= =20an=20 algebra=20book =20your =20school=20should=20purchase.=20=20No,=20it=20may=20not=20be=20your=20scho= ol's=20 textbook,=20but=20the =20concepts=20probably=20are=20the=20same.=20=20You=20could=20call=20NBP=20= for=20more=20 info=20about=20a =20book. =20That=20may=20be=20a=20cheaper=20option=20than=20sending=20a=20book=20to= =20be=20 transcribed=20and =20embossed=20to=20braille. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=206:25=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Why=20won't=20someone=20help=20me,=20get=20Braille=20Math=20books,=20for= =20my=20 community =20college? =20I=20haven't=20had=20a=20Braille=20Math=20book,=20and=20it's=20time=20for= =20 Intermediate =20Algebra. =20I've=20already=20gone=20to=20Disability=20services,=20and=20they're=20wi= lling=20to=20 help, =20on=20the=20local=20level,=20but=20they're=20going=20through=20RFBND,=20(= now,=20 Learning =20Ally,)=20instead=20of=20APH,=20for=20the=20Blind. =20I've=20asked=20them=20to=20try=20them,=20but=20I'm=20not=20hearing=20any= thing. =20This=20isn't=20just=20an=20FSU=20issue,=20it's=20universities,=20and=20c= ommunity =20colleges,=20nationwide. =20Something=20more=20needs=20to=20be=20done. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20Beth=20=20wrote: =20I=20won't=20be=20in=20Orlando,=20but=20call=20me=20and=20tell=20me=20wha= t=20happens =20during=20the=20general=20sessions.=20=20I=20can't=20go=20because=20of=20= money=20and =20stuff.=20=20Jamie,=20I'd=20love=20to=20see=20FSU=20get=20bombed=20with=20= more=20than=20one =20lawsuit=20about=20discrimination=20against=20the=20blind.=20=20You=20got= =20lots=20of =20errors=20in=20their=20accessibility=20policy,=20but=20I=20have=20yet=20t= o=20see=20 those =20errors.=20=20I=20hope=20to=20see=20an=20article=20about=20this=20in=20th= e=20Monitor. =20Beth =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20blackbyrdfly at gmail.com =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20=20wrote: =20=20Yes=20she=20is. =20=20Jamie,=20this=20message=20is=20to=20you,=20when=20you=20look=20at=20t= his=20list=20 again. =20=20I=20pray=20that=20you're=20successful,=20and=20that=20other=20univers= ities=20stop =20=20discriminating=20against=20the=20disabled. =20=20Blessings,=20Joshua =20=20On=207/2/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20=20That=20is...=20=20outrageous!=20I=20believe=20Jamie's=20on=20this=20l= ist,=20so=20I =20wish =20=20you=20the=20best=20of=20luck!=20Mr.=20=20Goldstein=20is=20a=20great=20= lawyer=20and=20one =20=20that=20NFB=20has=20been=20working=20with=20for=2020=20years,=20so=20I= =20think=20you'll =20=20have=20a=20good=20chance=20of=20winning=20the=20case!=20Good=20luck! =20=20Chris =20=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20= Abilities =20motto) =20=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20yout= h=20in =20=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"= =20How?=20 Click =20=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute: =20=20www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C= .A.N. =20=20Foundation. =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Beth=20 References: <4e1002d4.42c0e60a.20cd.4c83@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Sometimes I guess they may not have enough money to pay for paper, pens and such and are going to school on lones and grants. Some has issues with gas ETC. It's a small two year college. Comunity, close to my apartment than a univercity would be. On 7/3/11, Josh Gregory wrote: > Just a thought: Cost should only matter if the school is having > budget issues or something... otherwise... what do they do for > students without disabilities? > Best, > Josh > > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lea williams To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 01:34:14 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > This is what Freedomscientific website says. > > Multi-user options are available for JAWS Professional and > Standard > licenses, MAGic Professional licenses only, and all OpenBook > licenses. > They may be purchased > in blocks of five seats in all cases. In the US, please call > 1-800-444-4443 for pricing. International customers, please > contact > your local distributor > for pricing. > Site License: Specifically designed for educational institutions, > public libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to > better > the lives of the > visually impaired. The Site License may only be used at one > designated > location. > > District License: Also designed for educational institutions, > public > libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to better the > lives > of the visually > impaired. This license allows the institution to install the > software > at more than one facility. > > Enterprise License: Tailored to meet the needs of private > businesses > and government agencies. The enterprise license may be installed > in > multiple locations, > but may only be used on machines owned by the specified company > or agency. > > So your school would have to get a District License. My school > allows > me to put a demo on any and all of the computers I wish. better > than > nothing but not as great as having a full version. > What about using one of those thumb drive Jaws? > I need to look online on how that will work. I am going to take > a > computer class in the fall and need to figure out about putting > jaws > on a computer. My schools says that they only allow up to $250 > per > student to spend on stuff for school if they are unable to > purches it > themselves They did start to look in to getting my math and other > books in braille until i told them how much it would cost. > At least they thought about it! > I too face simmular problems that these two are facing. My > college > uses math labs on the web that is not totally exsessible to blind > people. I have to have all my math read to me and is difficult > at > times when I have to spend hours a week in the learning center as > if I > am taking a whole other class that I am not getting credit for. > > On 7/2/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > If anyone can help me find a good deal on a Pac Mate, with a 20 > cell > display, I'd appreciate it. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Joshua, > As for jaws, sometimes classes are in computer labs or visit > computer > labs. > Mine did so for freshman english. > You have a right to use the computer with jaws. If your school > can only > place jaws on one computer, then they bought the wrong > authorization key. > I don't know the specifics; FS could tell you. But I believe > there is a > network license where jaws can be placed on multiple computers. > > As for brailled texts, yes ask them about other sources. > NBP can give them a cost estimate rather quickly. Their website > says > Textbooks > Our qualified staff follows the rules for literary, Nemeth, > music, and > computer braille codes as set forth by the Braille Authority of > North > America (BANA). > > So they do all types of brailling including math and music. > > Good luck with advocacy. Its too bad you don't have a braille > display as I > think that would be helpful to read your work and notes. Unless > you are a > auditory learner, its easy to miss something by just listening. > I always study via my braille Note for tests. Reading my notes > helps me > remember them better. And I like being able to find things > easily via the > find command or place markers. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Ashley, if you read my other posts, I don't have a note taker, > anymore. > I'll bring up NBP, this year. > Thanks for bringing them up! > Also, the college is only authorized to put Jaws on one > computer. > They can't put it on every one. > I can't understand why. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Joshua, > Yes it뭩 a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed > to > provide > braille math books too. > Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because > its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. > RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then > they are > not > providing you adaquate accomodations. > A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the > electronic text > from > the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille > display > will > read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into > nemeth > braille. > So read it on the braille display. > Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader > type the > information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, > emboss the > material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the > display > from > the computer. > > Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it > to learn > it, > so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. > Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? > NBP has > transcribed college level texts before. They might have an > algebra book > your > school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's > textbook, but the > concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more > info about a > book. > That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be > transcribed and > embossed to braille. > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my > community > college? > I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for > Intermediate > Algebra. > I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to > help, > on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, > Learning > Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. > I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. > This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community > colleges, nationwide. > Something more needs to be done. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: > I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens > during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and > stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one > lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of > errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see > those > errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay > your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. > > See you all in Orlando! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > Yes she is. > Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list > again. > I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop > discriminating against the disabled. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I > wish > you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one > that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll > have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? > Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any > students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are > suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the > math > department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For > more, here's a clip of the article. > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > 6/29/2011 > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > CONTACT: > Chris Danielsen > Director of Public Relations > National Federation of the Blind > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's > Actions > Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the > National > Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane > Toth and Jamie > Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State > University > (FSU) and > its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department > of > Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato > by > failing to > provide them with proper accommodations so that they could > successfully > complete required math courses for their respective degree > programs. The > violations include requiring the students to use an > inaccessible > Web-based > application to complete homework assignments, tests, and > quizzes; > requiring > the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to > respond to > in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide > Braille > versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon > accommodation > plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students > complained of > these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the > Department of > Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even > hostile, and > did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth > and > Ms. > Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a > result, both > students are currently unable to continue their degree programs > and find > their careers indefinitely on hold. > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the > Blind, said: > "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but > it > rarely > stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, > however, involves > the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the > rights > of these > two students, whose academic records have now suffered > irreparable damage > and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, > embarrassment, > humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The > National > Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous > treatment of > blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as > fully as > necessary in order to ensure that these young people are > compensated for the > egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of > Mathematics." > > The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. > Goldstein, Sharon > Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm > Brown, > Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law > Offices of > Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. > > Beth Taurasi > Sent from my BrailleNote Apex > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd > fly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole > 1988%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart1 > 2%40gmail.com > > > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 06:40:41 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 02:40:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Message-ID: <4e100ef4.434de60a.6481.4d23@mx.google.com> I see... still... hey what about NVDA? That's a free screen reader. Might not be as good as Jaws, but it's something... Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lea williams wrote: Just a thought: Cost should only matter if the school is having budget issues or something... otherwise... what do they do for students without disabilities? Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lea williams wrote: If anyone can help me find a good deal on a Pac Mate, with a 20 cell display, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Joshua On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Hi all, I need help. I am learning 20th century music in Music History class. The lecturer asked us to make a slide show presentation about art, fashion and architecture. I tried my best. I could downloat and present the pictures from each of the movement such as cubism, de stijl, etc. The lecturer still blames me, telling me that I should find paintings or buildings with explanation about the pictures. I have told her that I have tried to search for such explanation but I found nothing. I can only find title of the pictures, composer and date of each. She believes that there are such information on the net. Any help? Does anyone know any websites that provide explanation to paintings, architecture and fashion, especially the 20th century ones? I look forward to hearing from you very soon. Any help, ideas, input will be highly appreciated. Many thanks. Winy. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 12:59:27 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 08:59:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessible? Message-ID: <4e1067b5.127fe50a.1106.ffffc85b@mx.google.com> Yes. I sent an email to the email address you gave me. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "dreicer, zachary" From top tech tidbits, look at item #6. Sent from my BRAILLENOTE Apex ---- Original Message ------ From: "Flying Blind, LLC" Ditto! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Hi Jamie, Please also keep us posted as to how your case goes. I'll distribute the news to other lists I'm on to try to get the word out. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Beth, Are you using your BrailleNote to do this? Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth wrote: Hi, guys. I was unzipping Bookshare files, but the command keeps coming back with a bad error. Basically, I typed in the password and all that correctly, but it says, "Unable to access the file or folder for writing." Help! Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 62%40students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 15:58:18 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 09:58:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] bookshare error, please help! Message-ID: <4e1091a1.c926440a.257f.76d1@mx.google.com> I use my BrailleNote to unzip the file all the time. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi, guys. I was unzipping Bookshare files, but the command keeps coming back with a bad error. Basically, I typed in the password and all that correctly, but it says, "Unable to access the file or folder for writing." Help! Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 62%40students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 17:14:42 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 13:14:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Message-ID: <4e10a388.df4ee50a.79c1.2f69@mx.google.com> Hi Joshua, Are you a member of a local NFB chapter or division of NABS? If so, you may want to notify them, and if possible, the Strategic Initiatives department (John Paré, executive director, jpare at nfb.org) at the national center. HTH! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Here's Gary Wunder's email: gwunder at nfb.org. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Hi=20Joshua, I=20forwarded=20your=20email=20to=20Ross=20Hammond,=20the=20editor=20of=20t= he=20Matilda=20 Ziegler=20magazine,=20asking=20him=20to=20put=20your=20question=20in=20the= =20special=20 notices=20section=20of=20his=20magazine.=20=20This=20is=20where=20people=20= can=20sell=20 blindness-related=20products=20and/or=20services=20or=20buy=20them.=20=20I'= ll=20let=20 you=20know=20if=20he=20replies=20back.=20=20I=20gave=20him=20your=20email,= =20so=20they'll=20 contact=20you=20with=20answers. =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20 wrote: =20Joshua, =20As=20for=20jaws,=20sometimes=20classes=20are=20in=20computer=20labs=20or= =20visit=20 computer=20labs. =20Mine=20did=20so=20for=20freshman=20english. =20You=20have=20a=20right=20to=20use=20the=20computer=20with=20jaws.=20=20I= f=20your=20school=20 can=20only =20place=20jaws=20on=20one=20computer,=20then=20they=20bought=20the=20wrong= =20 authorization=20key. =20I=20don't=20know=20the=20specifics;=20FS=20could=20tell=20you.=20=20But= =20I=20believe=20 there=20is=20a =20network=20license=20where=20jaws=20can=20be=20placed=20on=20multiple=20c= omputers. =20As=20for=20brailled=20texts,=20yes=20ask=20them=20about=20other=20source= s. =20NBP=20can=20give=20them=20a=20cost=20estimate=20rather=20quickly.=20=20T= heir=20website=20 says =20Textbooks =20Our=20qualified=20staff=20follows=20the=20rules=20for=20literary,=20Neme= th,=20 music,=20and =20computer=20braille=20codes=20as=20set=20forth=20by=20the=20Braille=20Aut= hority=20of=20 North =20America=20(BANA). =20So=20they=20do=20all=20types=20of=20brailling=20including=20math=20and=20= music. =20Good=20luck=20with=20advocacy.=20=20Its=20too=20bad=20you=20don't=20have= =20a=20braille=20 display=20as=20I =20think=20that=20would=20be=20helpful=20to=20read=20your=20work=20and=20no= tes.=20=20Unless=20 you=20are=20a =20auditory=20learner,=20its=20easy=20to=20miss=20something=20by=20just=20l= istening. =20I=20always=20study=20via=20my=20braille=20Note=20for=20tests.=20=20Readi= ng=20my=20notes=20 helps=20me =20remember=20them=20better.=20=20And=20I=20like=20being=20able=20to=20find= =20things=20 easily=20via=20the =20find=20command=20or=20place=20markers. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=208:19=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Ashley,=20if=20you=20read=20my=20other=20posts,=20I=20don't=20have=20a=20= note=20taker,=20 anymore. =20I'll=20bring=20up=20NBP,=20this=20year. =20Thanks=20for=20bringing=20them=20up! =20Also,=20the=20college=20is=20only=20authorized=20to=20put=20Jaws=20on=20= one=20 computer. =20They=20can't=20put=20it=20on=20every=20one. =20I=20can't=20understand=20why. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20=20= wrote: =20Joshua, =20Yes=20it=92s=20a=20big=20problem.=20=20At=20nova,=20community=20college,= =20they=20failed=20 to=20provide =20braille=20math=20books=20too. =20Get=20an=20advocate=20involved.=20=20The=20school=20is=20not=20helping=20= because =20its=20very=20expensive=20to=20get=20a=20math=20book=20transcribed=20into= =20braille. =20RFB=20will=20not=20produce=20braille=20and=20if=20that=20is=20what=20you= =20need,=20then=20 they=20are =20not =20providing=20you=20adaquate=20accomodations. =20A=20solution=20is=20electronic=20text=20in=20Word.=20=20If=20you=20get=20= the=20 electronic=20text=20from =20the=20publisher,=20a=20Braille=20Note=20or=20other=20notetaker=20with=20= braille=20 display=20will =20read=20the=20Word=20file.=20=20I=20think=20it=20can=20translate=20the=20= text=20into=20 nemeth=20braille. =20So=20read=20it=20on=20the=20braille=20display. =20Another=20solution=20to=20get=20some=20critical=20concepts=20is=20have=20= a=20reader=20 type=20the =20information=20in=20the=20computer.=20=20Then=20if=20you=20have=20an=20em= bosser,=20 emboss=20the =20material=20or,=20again=20with=20a=20braille=20display,=20just=20read=20i= t=20on=20the=20 display =20from =20the=20computer. =20Its=20not=20a=20perfect=20solution.=20=20But=20yes=20I=20think=20you=20n= eed=20to=20see=20it=20 to=20learn =20it, =20so=20you=20need=20braille=20and=20these=20may=20be=20some=20ways=20to=20= get=20braille. =20Your=20school=20is=20trying=20APH.=20=20How=20about=20National=20braille= =20Press?=20=20 NBP=20has =20transcribed=20college=20level=20texts=20before.=20=20They=20might=20have= =20an=20 algebra=20book =20your =20school=20should=20purchase.=20=20No,=20it=20may=20not=20be=20your=20scho= ol's=20 textbook,=20but=20the =20concepts=20probably=20are=20the=20same.=20=20You=20could=20call=20NBP=20= for=20more=20 info=20about=20a =20book. =20That=20may=20be=20a=20cheaper=20option=20than=20sending=20a=20book=20to= =20be=20 transcribed=20and =20embossed=20to=20braille. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=206:25=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Why=20won't=20someone=20help=20me,=20get=20Braille=20Math=20books,=20for= =20my=20 community =20college? =20I=20haven't=20had=20a=20Braille=20Math=20book,=20and=20it's=20time=20for= =20 Intermediate=20Algebra. =20I've=20already=20gone=20to=20Disability=20services,=20and=20they're=20wi= lling=20to=20 help, =20on=20the=20local=20level,=20but=20they're=20going=20through=20RFBND,=20(= now,=20 Learning =20Ally,)=20instead=20of=20APH,=20for=20the=20Blind. =20I've=20asked=20them=20to=20try=20them,=20but=20I'm=20not=20hearing=20any= thing. =20This=20isn't=20just=20an=20FSU=20issue,=20it's=20universities,=20and=20c= ommunity =20colleges,=20nationwide. =20Something=20more=20needs=20to=20be=20done. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20Beth=20=20wrote: =20I=20won't=20be=20in=20Orlando,=20but=20call=20me=20and=20tell=20me=20wha= t=20happens =20during=20the=20general=20sessions.=20=20I=20can't=20go=20because=20of=20= money=20and =20stuff.=20=20Jamie,=20I'd=20love=20to=20see=20FSU=20get=20bombed=20with=20= more=20than=20one =20lawsuit=20about=20discrimination=20against=20the=20blind.=20=20You=20got= =20lots=20of =20errors=20in=20their=20accessibility=20policy,=20but=20I=20have=20yet=20t= o=20see=20 those =20errors.=20=20I=20hope=20to=20see=20an=20article=20about=20this=20in=20th= e=20Monitor. =20Beth =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20blackbyrdfly at gmail.com =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20=20wrote: =20=20Yes=20she=20is. =20=20Jamie,=20this=20message=20is=20to=20you,=20when=20you=20look=20at=20t= his=20list=20 again. =20=20I=20pray=20that=20you're=20successful,=20and=20that=20other=20univers= ities=20stop =20=20discriminating=20against=20the=20disabled. =20=20Blessings,=20Joshua =20=20On=207/2/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20=20That=20is...=20=20outrageous!=20I=20believe=20Jamie's=20on=20this=20l= ist,=20so=20I =20wish =20=20you=20the=20best=20of=20luck!=20Mr.=20=20Goldstein=20is=20a=20great=20= lawyer=20and=20one =20=20that=20NFB=20has=20been=20working=20with=20for=2020=20years,=20so=20I= =20think=20you'll =20=20have=20a=20good=20chance=20of=20winning=20the=20case!=20Good=20luck! =20=20Chris =20=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20= Abilities =20motto) =20=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20yout= h=20in =20=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"= =20How?=20 Click =20=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute: =20=20www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C= .A.N. =20=20Foundation. =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Beth=20 Hi Beth, You can listen to the general sessions, the board meeting, and the banquet live through the Internet. It sounds like you're using a BrailleNote, so I would click on the WinAmp link. Did you see the schedule that was posted to all the lists yesterday? You can also look at the national convention page at nfb.org. Hope this helps! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth I=20have=20a=20laptop=20at=20my=20school=20with=20JAWS=20on=20it.=20=20When= =20I=20need=20it=20in=20 a=20class,=20I=20just=20take=20the=20laptop=20to=20the=20class=20and=20put= =20it=20on=20my=20 desk.=20=20Could=20this=20work=20for=20you=20guys? =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20 wrote: =20Joshua, =20Yes=20it=92s=20a=20big=20problem.=20=20At=20nova,=20community=20college,= =20they=20failed=20 to=20provide =20braille=20math=20books=20too. =20Get=20an=20advocate=20involved.=20=20The=20school=20is=20not=20helping=20= because =20its=20very=20expensive=20to=20get=20a=20math=20book=20transcribed=20into= =20braille. =20RFB=20will=20not=20produce=20braille=20and=20if=20that=20is=20what=20you= =20need,=20then=20 they=20are=20not =20providing=20you=20adaquate=20accomodations. =20A=20solution=20is=20electronic=20text=20in=20Word.=20=20If=20you=20get=20= the=20 electronic=20text=20from =20the=20publisher,=20a=20Braille=20Note=20or=20other=20notetaker=20with=20= braille=20 display=20will =20read=20the=20Word=20file.=20=20I=20think=20it=20can=20translate=20the=20= text=20into=20 nemeth=20braille. =20So=20read=20it=20on=20the=20braille=20display. =20Another=20solution=20to=20get=20some=20critical=20concepts=20is=20have=20= a=20reader=20 type=20the =20information=20in=20the=20computer.=20=20Then=20if=20you=20have=20an=20em= bosser,=20 emboss=20the =20material=20or,=20again=20with=20a=20braille=20display,=20just=20read=20i= t=20on=20the=20 display=20from =20the=20computer. =20Its=20not=20a=20perfect=20solution.=20=20But=20yes=20I=20think=20you=20n= eed=20to=20see=20it=20 to=20learn=20it, =20so=20you=20need=20braille=20and=20these=20may=20be=20some=20ways=20to=20= get=20braille. =20Your=20school=20is=20trying=20APH.=20=20How=20about=20National=20braille= =20Press?=20=20 NBP=20has =20transcribed=20college=20level=20texts=20before.=20=20They=20might=20have= =20an=20 algebra=20book=20your =20school=20should=20purchase.=20=20No,=20it=20may=20not=20be=20your=20scho= ol's=20 textbook,=20but=20the =20concepts=20probably=20are=20the=20same.=20=20You=20could=20call=20NBP=20= for=20more=20 info=20about=20a =20book. =20That=20may=20be=20a=20cheaper=20option=20than=20sending=20a=20book=20to= =20be=20 transcribed=20and =20embossed=20to=20braille. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=206:25=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Why=20won't=20someone=20help=20me,=20get=20Braille=20Math=20books,=20for= =20my=20 community=20college? =20I=20haven't=20had=20a=20Braille=20Math=20book,=20and=20it's=20time=20for= =20 Intermediate=20Algebra. =20I've=20already=20gone=20to=20Disability=20services,=20and=20they're=20wi= lling=20to=20 help, =20on=20the=20local=20level,=20but=20they're=20going=20through=20RFBND,=20(= now,=20 Learning =20Ally,)=20instead=20of=20APH,=20for=20the=20Blind. =20I've=20asked=20them=20to=20try=20them,=20but=20I'm=20not=20hearing=20any= thing. =20This=20isn't=20just=20an=20FSU=20issue,=20it's=20universities,=20and=20c= ommunity =20colleges,=20nationwide. =20Something=20more=20needs=20to=20be=20done. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20Beth=20=20wrote: =20I=20won't=20be=20in=20Orlando,=20but=20call=20me=20and=20tell=20me=20wha= t=20happens =20during=20the=20general=20sessions.=20=20I=20can't=20go=20because=20of=20= money=20and =20stuff.=20=20Jamie,=20I'd=20love=20to=20see=20FSU=20get=20bombed=20with=20= more=20than=20one =20lawsuit=20about=20discrimination=20against=20the=20blind.=20=20You=20got= =20lots=20of =20errors=20in=20their=20accessibility=20policy,=20but=20I=20have=20yet=20t= o=20see=20 those =20errors.=20=20I=20hope=20to=20see=20an=20article=20about=20this=20in=20th= e=20Monitor. =20Beth =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20blackbyrdfly at gmail.com =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20=20wrote: =20=20Yes=20she=20is. =20=20Jamie,=20this=20message=20is=20to=20you,=20when=20you=20look=20at=20t= his=20list=20 again. =20=20I=20pray=20that=20you're=20successful,=20and=20that=20other=20univers= ities=20stop =20=20discriminating=20against=20the=20disabled. =20=20Blessings,=20Joshua =20=20On=207/2/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20=20That=20is...=20=20outrageous!=20I=20believe=20Jamie's=20on=20this=20l= ist,=20so=20I =20wish =20=20you=20the=20best=20of=20luck!=20Mr.=20=20Goldstein=20is=20a=20great=20= lawyer=20and=20one =20=20that=20NFB=20has=20been=20working=20with=20for=2020=20years,=20so=20I= =20think=20you'll =20=20have=20a=20good=20chance=20of=20winning=20the=20case!=20Good=20luck! =20=20Chris =20=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20= Abilities =20motto) =20=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20yout= h=20in =20=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"= =20How?=20 Click =20=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute: =20=20www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C= .A.N. =20=20Foundation. =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Beth=20 What=20about=20the=20state=20LBPH's?=20I=20think=20NLS=20offers=20a=20textb= ook=20 program=20for=20college=20students,=20at=20least=20my=20Maryland=20LBPH=20d= oes. =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20=20 wrote: =20Joshua, =20Yes=20it=92s=20a=20big=20problem.=20=20At=20nova,=20community=20college,= =20they=20failed=20 to=20provide =20braille=20math=20books=20too. =20Get=20an=20advocate=20involved.=20=20The=20school=20is=20not=20helping=20= because =20its=20very=20expensive=20to=20get=20a=20math=20book=20transcribed=20into= =20braille. =20RFB=20will=20not=20produce=20braille=20and=20if=20that=20is=20what=20you= =20need,=20then=20 they=20are =20not =20providing=20you=20adaquate=20accomodations. =20A=20solution=20is=20electronic=20text=20in=20Word.=20=20If=20you=20get=20= the=20 electronic=20text=20from =20the=20publisher,=20a=20Braille=20Note=20or=20other=20notetaker=20with=20= braille=20 display=20will =20read=20the=20Word=20file.=20=20I=20think=20it=20can=20translate=20the=20= text=20into=20 nemeth=20braille. =20So=20read=20it=20on=20the=20braille=20display. =20Another=20solution=20to=20get=20some=20critical=20concepts=20is=20have=20= a=20reader=20 type=20the =20information=20in=20the=20computer.=20=20Then=20if=20you=20have=20an=20em= bosser,=20 emboss=20the =20material=20or,=20again=20with=20a=20braille=20display,=20just=20read=20i= t=20on=20the=20 display =20from =20the=20computer. =20Its=20not=20a=20perfect=20solution.=20=20But=20yes=20I=20think=20you=20n= eed=20to=20see=20it=20 to=20learn =20it, =20so=20you=20need=20braille=20and=20these=20may=20be=20some=20ways=20to=20= get=20braille. =20Your=20school=20is=20trying=20APH.=20=20How=20about=20National=20braille= =20Press?=20=20 NBP=20has =20transcribed=20college=20level=20texts=20before.=20=20They=20might=20have= =20an=20 algebra=20book =20your =20school=20should=20purchase.=20=20No,=20it=20may=20not=20be=20your=20scho= ol's=20 textbook,=20but=20the =20concepts=20probably=20are=20the=20same.=20=20You=20could=20call=20NBP=20= for=20more=20 info=20about=20a =20book. =20That=20may=20be=20a=20cheaper=20option=20than=20sending=20a=20book=20to= =20be=20 transcribed=20and =20embossed=20to=20braille. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=206:25=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Why=20won't=20someone=20help=20me,=20get=20Braille=20Math=20books,=20for= =20my=20 community =20college? =20I=20haven't=20had=20a=20Braille=20Math=20book,=20and=20it's=20time=20for= =20 Intermediate=20Algebra. =20I've=20already=20gone=20to=20Disability=20services,=20and=20they're=20wi= lling=20to=20 help, =20on=20the=20local=20level,=20but=20they're=20going=20through=20RFBND,=20(= now,=20 Learning =20Ally,)=20instead=20of=20APH,=20for=20the=20Blind. =20I've=20asked=20them=20to=20try=20them,=20but=20I'm=20not=20hearing=20any= thing. =20This=20isn't=20just=20an=20FSU=20issue,=20it's=20universities,=20and=20c= ommunity =20colleges,=20nationwide. =20Something=20more=20needs=20to=20be=20done. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20Beth=20=20wrote: =20I=20won't=20be=20in=20Orlando,=20but=20call=20me=20and=20tell=20me=20wha= t=20happens =20during=20the=20general=20sessions.=20=20I=20can't=20go=20because=20of=20= money=20and =20stuff.=20=20Jamie,=20I'd=20love=20to=20see=20FSU=20get=20bombed=20with=20= more=20than=20one =20lawsuit=20about=20discrimination=20against=20the=20blind.=20=20You=20got= =20lots=20of =20errors=20in=20their=20accessibility=20policy,=20but=20I=20have=20yet=20t= o=20see=20 those =20errors.=20=20I=20hope=20to=20see=20an=20article=20about=20this=20in=20th= e=20Monitor. =20Beth =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20blackbyrdfly at gmail.com =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20=20wrote: =20=20Yes=20she=20is. =20=20Jamie,=20this=20message=20is=20to=20you,=20when=20you=20look=20at=20t= his=20list=20 again. =20=20I=20pray=20that=20you're=20successful,=20and=20that=20other=20univers= ities=20stop =20=20discriminating=20against=20the=20disabled. =20=20Blessings,=20Joshua =20=20On=207/2/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20=20That=20is...=20=20outrageous!=20I=20believe=20Jamie's=20on=20this=20l= ist,=20so=20I =20wish =20=20you=20the=20best=20of=20luck!=20Mr.=20=20Goldstein=20is=20a=20great=20= lawyer=20and=20one =20=20that=20NFB=20has=20been=20working=20with=20for=2020=20years,=20so=20I= =20think=20you'll =20=20have=20a=20good=20chance=20of=20winning=20the=20case!=20Good=20luck! =20=20Chris =20=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20= Abilities =20motto) =20=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20yout= h=20in =20=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"= =20How?=20 Click =20=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute: =20=20www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C= .A.N. =20=20Foundation. =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Beth=20 --- On Sun, 7/3/11, Lissner, Scott wrote: > From: Lissner, Scott > Subject: Senate Introduces Independent Living Administration > To: NDSU at LISTSERV.UIC.EDU > Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 11:08 AM > **Accessibility information at > bottom** > >     National Council on Independent Living - > 6/24/11 > Senate Introduces Independent Living Administration! > The National Council on Independent Living (NCIL) is very > proud and > excited to announce that a bill has been filed with the > Senate HELP > Committee which creates the establishment of a new > Independent Living > Administration (ILA), and strengthens America's Independent > Living (IL) > Program. The ILA would elevate the IL Program at the > federal level, and > would create an organization independent of the > Rehabilitation Services > Administration (RSA) within the Department of Education. > The creation of > this new administration marks a truly historic moment in > the Independent > Living Movement, and IL advocates across the country have > much to > celebrate this week. > The ILA is created through the reauthorization of the > Rehabilitation Act > of 1973, which is contained in the larger Workforce > Investment Act > (WIA). NCIL has been pushing for the reauthorization of WIA > and the > Rehabilitation Act for nearly a decade, and the > introduction of a bill > to reauthorize both pieces of legislation presents a unique > opportunity > to improve the IL Program and substantially increase > consumer-control at > the federal level. > NCIL is optimistic about WIA's chances for reauthorization, > and very > pleased with the rare bipartisan effort to put this bill > together. Staff > from the offices of Senators Tom Harkin (D-IA), Michael > Enzi (R-WY), > Patty Murray (D-WA), and Johnny Isakson (R-GA) have been > working over > the past two years in an effort to renew and improve WIA. > NCIL has been working closely with the Senate to create > legislative > language that will drastically overhaul America's IL > Program, and fix > problems that have frustrated Centers for Independent > Living (CILs) and > Statewide Independent Living Councils (SILCs) for years. > Although the > majority of IL fixes and enhancements in this legislation > cannot be > listed, here are some of the highlights: > *    Creation of an ILA: a new organization > within the Department of > Education, completely separate and independent of RSA. The > ILA Director > will report directly to the Secretary of Education. > *    Carryover Authority: CILs will now be > allowed to carryover Part > C funds not spent during the first year into a second > year. > *    Addition of a 5th Core Service: > transitioning people with > disabilities from nursing homes and other institutions to > home and > community-based residences. > *    Clarification of the Role of > SILC:  Because of RSA's > interpretations of the Rehabilitation Act, several > clarifications > regarding SILC activities are included in the bill - > providing advice > and assistance to the designated state unit (DSU), > facilitating the > improvement and coordination of services, resource > development > activities, and carrying out systems advocacy functions. > *    Funding Formula Change: Part C dollars > should be allowed to be > shared among all states and territories, states with the > largest > populations would receive more funding proportionally. > *    Accessibility at WIA One-Stop Centers: > one-stop centers will be > required to be physically and programmatically accessible, > regardless of > disability. > After reading the legislative language in the bill > reauthorizing WIA and > the Rehabilitation Act, it is obvious that the Senate has > listened to > NCIL's concerns and worked hard to create a piece of > legislation that > will empower and increase the independence of Americans > with > disabilities. It is also clear that we have the bipartisan > support > necessary to move this bill forward, but the fight to get > the votes > necessary in both chambers of Congress to pass this > reauthorization into > law has only just begun.  > More than ever, IL advocates from across the country must > now mobilize > to push this historic legislation through Congress. > Remember, this bill > was created for us! We must immediately employ the full > resources of the > IL community to reach out to members of Congress and urge > them to > support the reauthorization of WIA and the Rehabilitation > Act, > specifically the inclusion of Title V language that creates > an ILA and > strengthens independent living. > Our unique opportunity to advance is now, and the time for > action is > today. Our first order of business is to get this through > the Senate > HELP Committee. This bill is moving very rapidly, and is > scheduled for > markup on June 29th. We need advocates to call Senators on > this > committee (see list below) and ask for their committed > support for > reauthorizing WIA and the Rehabilitation Act. If we are > successful in > our efforts, we will achieve one of the greatest > advancements in the > history of the Independent Living Movement. > Remember: > *    The creation of the ILA does not > require any new or additional > funding. > *    The creation of the ILA does not create > unnecessary new > bureaucracy. It simply streamlines the IL Program and > enhances > consumer-control. > NCIL's Rehab Act & IL Funding Subcommittee has worked > incredibly hard > over the last few weeks, months, and years to bring us to > this point. We > thank them for their efforts and congratulate them on the > successful > inclusion of NCIL's priorities in WIA that will now begin > passage > through Congress. Although most of our suggestions were > adopted by the > HELP Committee at the time of this legislation's > publication, the NCIL > Rehab Act & IL Funding Subcommittee submitted comments > suggesting > further revisions to the bill. > Resources: > *    NCIL Rehab Act & IL Funding > Subcommittee Comments >   > (Word document) > *    Redline (Marked Up) Legislative > Language >   (Word > document) > Follow this discussion and new developments on NCIL's > Facebook page > > . > If you have any questions, please contact NCIL Policy > Analyst Austin > Walker at (202) 207-0334 (toll-free: 1 (877) 525-3400), > ext. 1008. > Austin can also be reached by e-mail at austin at ncil.org. > Democrats by Rank > *    Tom Harkin (IA) : (202) 224-3254 > *    Barbara A. Mikulski (MD) : (202) > 224-4654 > *    Jeff Bingaman (NM) : (202) > 224-5521 > *    Patty Murray (WA) : (202) 224-2621 > *    Bernard Sanders (I) (VT) : (202) > 224-5141 > *    Robert P. Casey, Jr. (PA) : (202) > 224-6324 > *    Kay R. Hagan (NC) : (202) > 224-6342 > *    Jeff Merkley (OR) : (202) > 224-3753 > *    Al Franken (MN) : (202) > 224-5641 > *    Michael F. Bennet (CO) : (202) > 224-5852 > *    Sheldon Whitehouse (RI) : (202) > 224-2921 > *    Richard Blumenthal (CT) : (202) > 224-2823 > Republicans by Rank > *    Michael B. Enzi (WY) : (202) > 224-3424 > *    Lamar Alexander (TN) : (202) > 224-4944 > *    Richard Burr (NC) : (202) 224-3154 > *    Johnny Isakson (GA) : (202) > 224-3643 > *    Rand Paul (KY) : (202) 224-4343 > *    Orrin G. Hatch (UT) : (202) > 224-5251 > *    John McCain (AZ) : (202) > 224-2235 > *    Pat Roberts (KS) : (202) > 224-4774 > *    Lisa Murkowski (AK) : (202) > 224-6665 > *    Mark Kirk (IL) : (202) 224-2854 >     > >     > > L. Scott Lissner, Ohio State University ADA Coordinator, > Office Of Diversity And Inclusion >   Associate, John Glenn School of Public Affairs >   Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz > College of Law & > Disability Studies >   President Elect & Chair, Public Policy > Committee, Association on > Higher Education And Disability >   Chair, ADA-OHIO >   Member,  Ohio Governor's Council For People > With Disabilities >   Member, Columbus Advisory Council on Disability > Issues > > (614) 292-6207(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) > 688-3665(fax); > Http://ada.osu.edu > >     > > ------------------------------------------------------- > If you are having trouble accessing this listserv please > contact Joe Hall at jozhall at gmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------- > ACCESS IS A CIVIL RIGHT!! Please DO NOT forget to include a > topic in the subject of every message you send to the NDSU > listserv. > > NDSU List Topics: CURR, ORG, GOV, DS, and ANN. > > CURR: for current events. Education about current issues. > ORG: for discussions of organizing. Practical education. > GOV: Includes legislative, judicial, and executive > information, organization, and calls to action on government > issues. Political education. > DS: for discussions of disability as a political and > cultural issue. Theoretical education. > ANN: for any general announcements and housekeeping, > including discussions concerning accessibility. > > If you would like to change the topics that you are > currently subscribed to, go to: http://listserv.uic.edu/htbin/wa?LMGT1 > > For more information on NDSU visit: > www.disabledstudents.org > From klkhb at comcast.net Sun Jul 3 18:17:14 2011 From: klkhb at comcast.net (KLKHB@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 11:17:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Explanation of Paintings--any help? References: <1309696749.36856.YahooMailClassic@web76815.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D77F93460E94A1F9A3CD41010402E8A@30103043IASLap> Hi Winy, one solution to this problem is asking your Disability Services to provide you with a sighted reader to conduct such a search because it involves more than just text. Explain to them that your screen reader does not read pictures. Many of the visual websites very poorly tagged and it's possible that these descriptions you instructor wants are a part of the picture. By that I mean, they're a digital image, not a separate legend or textual description. Best of luck and let us know what kind of help you receive. Oswal ----- Original Message ----- From: Winy Kwany To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:39 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Explanation of Paintings--any help? Hi all, I need help. I am learning 20th century music in Music History class. The lecturer asked us to make a slide show presentation about art, fashion and architecture. I tried my best. I could downloat and present the pictures from each of the movement such as cubism, de stijl, etc. The lecturer still blames me, telling me that I should find paintings or buildings with explanation about the pictures. I have told her that I have tried to search for such explanation but I found nothing. I can only find title of the pictures, composer and date of each. She believes that there are such information on the net. Any help? Does anyone know any websites that provide explanation to paintings, architecture and fashion, especially the 20th century ones? I look forward to hearing from you very soon. Any help, ideas, input will be highly appreciated. Many thanks. Winy. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/klkhb%40comcast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 3 21:03:26 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 17:03:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: <4e1002d4.42c0e60a.20cd.4c83@mx.google.com> References: <4e1002d4.42c0e60a.20cd.4c83@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7D31D77D78E343C89014756181A83126@OwnerPC> What do they do for students without disabilities? Well, many state universities and community colleges are spending millions on entertainment systems. They are spending tons to upgrade existing computers, projectors, and other technology. Ever wonder how much those computers cost to maintain and upgrade? It’s a lot of money, yet my school won't even upgrade to jaws 12. Entertainment includes fitness equipment, which is somewhat inaccessible to us, of course with flat pannels. Also, they get big expensive plasma tvs, internet connections in the classrooms and most of the campus, a pool table and other entertainment things. Ah, they can spend money on non essential things to please other students and make them comfortable, but when it comes to requesting a jaws upgrade or a brailled exam, that seems to difficult to get and handle. I've been frustrated with the community college's inadequate accomodations including the inability to produce braille and tactile graphics. I needed braille to read the punctuation and spelling in my exams because they were testing us on the ability to edit and correct errors. Well, in short, they could not braille in-house and said they were not going to get a new embosser because hardly any students would need it. That is true; only one or two blind students at a time need braille. So I guess I kind of understand that. Well, they outsourced the brailling to another school, but I had to politely stay on them about getting the exam back and find out when they delivered it to the testing center. Its frustrating. I hope the lawsuit yeilds positive results. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Josh Gregory Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 1:48 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Just a thought: Cost should only matter if the school is having budget issues or something... otherwise... what do they do for students without disabilities? Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lea williams wrote: If anyone can help me find a good deal on a Pac Mate, with a 20 cell display, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Joshua On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: Joshua, As for jaws, sometimes classes are in computer labs or visit computer labs. Mine did so for freshman english. You have a right to use the computer with jaws. If your school can only place jaws on one computer, then they bought the wrong authorization key. I don't know the specifics; FS could tell you. But I believe there is a network license where jaws can be placed on multiple computers. As for brailled texts, yes ask them about other sources. NBP can give them a cost estimate rather quickly. Their website says Textbooks Our qualified staff follows the rules for literary, Nemeth, music, and computer braille codes as set forth by the Braille Authority of North America (BANA). So they do all types of brailling including math and music. Good luck with advocacy. Its too bad you don't have a braille display as I think that would be helpful to read your work and notes. Unless you are a auditory learner, its easy to miss something by just listening. I always study via my braille Note for tests. Reading my notes helps me remember them better. And I like being able to find things easily via the find command or place markers. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Ashley, if you read my other posts, I don't have a note taker, anymore. I'll bring up NBP, this year. Thanks for bringing them up! Also, the college is only authorized to put Jaws on one computer. They can't put it on every one. I can't understand why. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: Joshua, Yes it�s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed to provide braille math books too. Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then they are not providing you adaquate accomodations. A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the electronic text from the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille display will read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into nemeth braille. So read it on the braille display. Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader type the information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, emboss the material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the display from the computer. Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it to learn it, so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? NBP has transcribed college level texts before. They might have an algebra book your school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's textbook, but the concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more info about a book. That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be transcribed and embossed to braille. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community college? I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate Algebra. I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help, on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community colleges, nationwide. Something more needs to be done. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth References: <4e10a38f.df4ee50a.79c1.2f6c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8F9B8626883E4D12BDF089EFBC8F98BA@OwnerPC> Chris, No NLS does not produce textbooks. Most textbooks come from APH and NBP. NLS provides magazines and literary writings including fiction and nonfiction. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 1:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? What about the state LBPH's? I think NLS offers a textbook program for college students, at least my Maryland LBPH does. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: wrote: Joshua, Yes it�s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed to provide braille math books too. Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then they are not providing you adaquate accomodations. A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the electronic text from the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille display will read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into nemeth braille. So read it on the braille display. Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader type the information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, emboss the material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the display from the computer. Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it to learn it, so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? NBP has transcribed college level texts before. They might have an algebra book your school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's textbook, but the concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more info about a book. That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be transcribed and embossed to braille. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community college? I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate Algebra. I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help, on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community colleges, nationwide. Something more needs to be done. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. 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Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 14:39:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? In-Reply-To: <7D31D77D78E343C89014756181A83126@OwnerPC> References: <4e1002d4.42c0e60a.20cd.4c83@mx.google.com> <7D31D77D78E343C89014756181A83126@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110703143146.01cafca0@earthlink.net> 'Afternoon, Ashley, Most people don't seem to come complete with the mind set that, if acquiring some piece of equipment or service helps a single student succeed in reaching something that resembles success then, 'seems to me it might be more than "worth it" to facilitate said device or service. Doncha think? Struggle on my sister! for today, Car >What do they do for students without >disabilities? Well, many state universities and >community colleges are spending millions on >entertainment systems. They are spending tons to upgrade >existing computers, projectors, and other >technology. Ever wonder how much those >computers cost to maintain and upgrade? It¡¯s a >lot of money, yet my school won't even upgrade to jaws 12. >Entertainment includes fitness equipment, which >is somewhat inaccessible to us, of course with flat pannels. >Also, they get big expensive plasma tvs, >internet connections in the classrooms and most >of the campus, a pool table and other entertainment things. >Ah, they can spend money on non essential things >to please other students and make them >comfortable, but when it comes to requesting a >jaws upgrade or a brailled exam, that seems to difficult to get and handle. >I've been frustrated with the community >college's inadequate accomodations including the >inability to produce braille and tactile graphics. >I needed braille to read the punctuation and >spelling in my exams because they were testing >us on the ability to edit and correct errors. >Well, in short, they could not braille in-house >and said they were not going to get a new >embosser because hardly any students would need >it. That is true; only one or two blind students at a time need braille. >So I guess I kind of understand that. Well, they >outsourced the brailling to another school, but >I had to politely stay on them about getting the >exam back and find out when they delivered it to the testing center. > >Its frustrating. I hope the lawsuit yeilds positive results. >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: Josh Gregory >Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 1:48 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > >Just a thought: Cost should only matter if the school is having >budget issues or something... otherwise... what do they do for >students without disabilities? >Best, >Josh > >sent from my Apex >Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Lea williams To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 01:34:14 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > >This is what Freedomscientific website says. > >Multi-user options are available for JAWS Professional and >Standard >licenses, MAGic Professional licenses only, and all OpenBook >licenses. >They may be purchased >in blocks of five seats in all cases. In the US, please call >1-800-444-4443 for pricing. International customers, please >contact >your local distributor >for pricing. >Site License: Specifically designed for educational institutions, >public libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to >better >the lives of the >visually impaired. The Site License may only be used at one >designated >location. > >District License: Also designed for educational institutions, >public >libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to better the >lives >of the visually >impaired. This license allows the institution to install the >software >at more than one facility. > >Enterprise License: Tailored to meet the needs of private >businesses >and government agencies. The enterprise license may be installed >in >multiple locations, >but may only be used on machines owned by the specified company >or agency. > >So your school would have to get a District License. My school >allows >me to put a demo on any and all of the computers I wish. better >than >nothing but not as great as having a full version. >What about using one of those thumb drive Jaws? >I need to look online on how that will work. I am going to take >a >computer class in the fall and need to figure out about putting >jaws >on a computer. My schools says that they only allow up to $250 >per >student to spend on stuff for school if they are unable to >purches it >themselves They did start to look in to getting my math and other >books in braille until i told them how much it would cost. >At least they thought about it! >I too face simmular problems that these two are facing. My >college >uses math labs on the web that is not totally exsessible to blind >people. I have to have all my math read to me and is difficult >at >times when I have to spend hours a week in the learning center as >if I >am taking a whole other class that I am not getting credit for. > >On 7/2/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >If anyone can help me find a good deal on a Pac Mate, with a 20 >cell >display, I'd appreciate it. >Thanks, Joshua > >On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >wrote: >Joshua, >As for jaws, sometimes classes are in computer labs or visit >computer >labs. >Mine did so for freshman english. >You have a right to use the computer with jaws. If your school >can only >place jaws on one computer, then they bought the wrong >authorization key. >I don't know the specifics; FS could tell you. But I believe >there is a >network license where jaws can be placed on multiple computers. > >As for brailled texts, yes ask them about other sources. >NBP can give them a cost estimate rather quickly. Their website >says >Textbooks >Our qualified staff follows the rules for literary, Nemeth, >music, and >computer braille codes as set forth by the Braille Authority of >North >America (BANA). > >So they do all types of brailling including math and music. > >Good luck with advocacy. Its too bad you don't have a braille >display as I >think that would be helpful to read your work and notes. Unless >you are a >auditory learner, its easy to miss something by just listening. >I always study via my braille Note for tests. Reading my notes >helps me >remember them better. And I like being able to find things >easily via the >find command or place markers. > >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joshua Lester >Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:19 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > >Ashley, if you read my other posts, I don't have a note taker, >anymore. >I'll bring up NBP, this year. >Thanks for bringing them up! >Also, the college is only authorized to put Jaws on one >computer. >They can't put it on every one. >I can't understand why. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >wrote: >Joshua, >Yes it’s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed >to >provide >braille math books too. >Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because >its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille. >RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then >they are >not >providing you adaquate accomodations. >A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the >electronic text >from >the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille >display >will >read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into >nemeth >braille. >So read it on the braille display. >Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader >type the >information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, >emboss the >material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the >display >from >the computer. > >Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it >to learn >it, >so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille. >Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? >NBP has >transcribed college level texts before. They might have an >algebra book >your >school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's >textbook, but the >concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more >info about a >book. >That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be >transcribed and >embossed to braille. >Ashley > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joshua Lester >Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > >Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my >community >college? >I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for >Intermediate >Algebra. >I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to >help, >on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, >Learning >Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind. >I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything. >This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community >colleges, nationwide. >Something more needs to be done. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 7/2/11, Beth wrote: >I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens >during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and >stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one >lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of >errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see >those >errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. >Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > >Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay >your words of encouragement to Christopher as well. > >See you all in Orlando! > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > Yes she is. > Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list >again. > I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop > discriminating against the disabled. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I >wish > you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one > that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll > have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? > > Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any > students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are > suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the >math > department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For > more, here's a clip of the article. > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > 6/29/2011 > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > CONTACT: > Chris Danielsen > Director of Public Relations > National Federation of the Blind > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination > National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's >Actions > Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the > National > Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane > Toth and Jamie > Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State >University > (FSU) and > its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department >of > Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato > by > failing to > provide them with proper accommodations so that they could > successfully > complete required math courses for their respective degree > programs. The > violations include requiring the students to use an >inaccessible > Web-based > application to complete homework assignments, tests, and >quizzes; > requiring > the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to > respond to > in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide > Braille > versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon > accommodation > plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students > complained of > these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the > Department of > Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even > hostile, and > did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth >and > Ms. > Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a > result, both > students are currently unable to continue their degree programs > and find > their careers indefinitely on hold. > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the > Blind, said: > "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but >it > rarely > stems from actual animus towards the students. This case, > however, involves > the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the >rights > of these > two students, whose academic records have now suffered > irreparable damage > and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress, > embarrassment, > humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The > National > Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous > treatment of > blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as > fully as > necessary in order to ensure that these young people are > compensated for the > egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of > Mathematics." > > The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F. > Goldstein, Sharon > Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm > Brown, > Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law > Offices of > Matthew W. Dietz, P.L. > > Beth Taurasi > Sent from my BrailleNote Apex > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info > for nabs-l: > > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for > nabs-l: > > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for nabs-l: > > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrd >fly%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info >for nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >sloose%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >62%40students.pccua.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >hb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >62%40students.pccua.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >hb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >62%40students.pccua.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole >1988%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Lea Williams > >Phone; >704-732-4470 >Skipe; >Lea.williams738 >Facebook >http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart1 >2%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 05:03:59 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 22:03:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [nfbwatlk] Fwd: Put ICE on your Cell phone Message-ID: This is so important, please see below: -----Original Message----- From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alco Canfield Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 4:41 PM To: NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List Subject: [nfbwatlk] Fwd: Put ICE on your Cell phone ALCO Begin forwarded message: > From: "Barbara & Walter Yeager" > Date: July 3, 2011 5:32:49 AM PDT > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: Fwd: FW: Put ICE on your Cell phone > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Wallace Cain > Date: Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 7:46 AM > Subject: FW: Put ICE on your Cell phone > To: Undisclosed Recipients > > > > > Subject: Fwd: Put ICE on your Cell phone > > > > > > > > > Apparently this is a standard procedure all paramedics follow at the scene of an accident when they come across your cell phone. > > > ICE - 'In Case of Emergency' > We all carry our mobile phones with names & numbers stored in its memory but nobody, other than ourselves, knows which of these numbers belong to our closest family or friends. > > If we were to be involved in an accident or were taken ill, the people attending us would have our mobile phone but wouldn't know who to call. Yes, there are hundreds of numbers stored but which one is the contact person in case of an emergency? Hence this 'ICE' (In Case of Emergency) Campaign the concept of 'ICE' is catching on quickly. It is a method of contact during emergency situations. As cell (mobile) phones are carried by the majority of the population, all you need to do is store the number of a contact person or persons who should be contacted during emergency under the name 'ICE' (In Case Of Emergency). > The idea was thought up by a paramedic who found that when he went to the scenes of accidents, there were always mobile phones with patients, but they didn't know which number to call. He therefore thought that it would be a good idea if there was a nationally recognized name for this purpose. In an emergency situation, Emergency Service personnel and hospital Staff would be able to quickly contact the right person by simply dialing the number you have stored as 'ICE.' > > For more than one contact name simply enter ICE1, ICE2 and ICE3 etc. A great idea that will make a difference! > Let's spread the concept of ICE by storing an ICE number in our Mobile phones today! > Please forward this. It won't take too many 'forwards' before everybody will know about this. It really could save your life, or put a loved one's mind at rest. ICE will speak for you when you are not able to. > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ nfbwatlk mailing list nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbwatlk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert o2%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 15:01:36 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:01:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit? Message-ID: <4e11d5d8.4145340a.3fe5.ffff8948@mx.google.com> That's=20a=20good=20idea.=20=20I'm=20just=20going=20to=20warn=20you=20(as=20= if=20this=20makes=20 any=20difference=20to=20anybody=20accept=20for=20the=20technology=20experts= =20over=20 at=20FS)=20the=20thumb=20drive=20JAWS=20is=20only=20available=20for=20JAWS= =2010.=20=20Hope=20 this=20helps!=20Happy=204th=20of=20July!!! =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Lea=20williams=20=20wrote: =20If=20anyone=20can=20help=20me=20find=20a=20good=20deal=20on=20a=20Pac=20= Mate,=20with=20a=2020=20 cell =20display,=20I'd=20appreciate=20it. =20Thanks,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20=20= wrote: =20Joshua, =20As=20for=20jaws,=20sometimes=20classes=20are=20in=20computer=20labs=20or= =20visit=20 computer =20labs. =20Mine=20did=20so=20for=20freshman=20english. =20You=20have=20a=20right=20to=20use=20the=20computer=20with=20jaws.=20=20I= f=20your=20school=20 can=20only =20place=20jaws=20on=20one=20computer,=20then=20they=20bought=20the=20wrong= =20 authorization=20key. =20I=20don't=20know=20the=20specifics;=20FS=20could=20tell=20you.=20=20But= =20I=20believe=20 there=20is=20a =20network=20license=20where=20jaws=20can=20be=20placed=20on=20multiple=20c= omputers. =20As=20for=20brailled=20texts,=20yes=20ask=20them=20about=20other=20source= s. =20NBP=20can=20give=20them=20a=20cost=20estimate=20rather=20quickly.=20=20T= heir=20website=20 says =20Textbooks =20Our=20qualified=20staff=20follows=20the=20rules=20for=20literary,=20Neme= th,=20 music,=20and =20computer=20braille=20codes=20as=20set=20forth=20by=20the=20Braille=20Aut= hority=20of=20 North =20America=20(BANA). =20So=20they=20do=20all=20types=20of=20brailling=20including=20math=20and=20= music. =20Good=20luck=20with=20advocacy.=20=20Its=20too=20bad=20you=20don't=20have= =20a=20braille=20 display=20as=20I =20think=20that=20would=20be=20helpful=20to=20read=20your=20work=20and=20no= tes.=20=20Unless=20 you=20are=20a =20auditory=20learner,=20its=20easy=20to=20miss=20something=20by=20just=20l= istening. =20I=20always=20study=20via=20my=20braille=20Note=20for=20tests.=20=20Readi= ng=20my=20notes=20 helps=20me =20remember=20them=20better.=20=20And=20I=20like=20being=20able=20to=20find= =20things=20 easily=20via=20the =20find=20command=20or=20place=20markers. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=208:19=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Ashley,=20if=20you=20read=20my=20other=20posts,=20I=20don't=20have=20a=20= note=20taker,=20 anymore. =20I'll=20bring=20up=20NBP,=20this=20year. =20Thanks=20for=20bringing=20them=20up! =20Also,=20the=20college=20is=20only=20authorized=20to=20put=20Jaws=20on=20= one=20 computer. =20They=20can't=20put=20it=20on=20every=20one. =20I=20can't=20understand=20why. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20=20= wrote: =20Joshua, =20Yes=20it=92s=20a=20big=20problem.=20=20At=20nova,=20community=20college,= =20they=20failed=20 to =20provide =20braille=20math=20books=20too. =20Get=20an=20advocate=20involved.=20=20The=20school=20is=20not=20helping=20= because =20its=20very=20expensive=20to=20get=20a=20math=20book=20transcribed=20into= =20braille. =20RFB=20will=20not=20produce=20braille=20and=20if=20that=20is=20what=20you= =20need,=20then=20 they=20are =20not =20providing=20you=20adaquate=20accomodations. =20A=20solution=20is=20electronic=20text=20in=20Word.=20=20If=20you=20get=20= the=20 electronic=20text =20from =20the=20publisher,=20a=20Braille=20Note=20or=20other=20notetaker=20with=20= braille=20 display =20will =20read=20the=20Word=20file.=20=20I=20think=20it=20can=20translate=20the=20= text=20into=20 nemeth =20braille. =20So=20read=20it=20on=20the=20braille=20display. =20Another=20solution=20to=20get=20some=20critical=20concepts=20is=20have=20= a=20reader=20 type=20the =20information=20in=20the=20computer.=20=20Then=20if=20you=20have=20an=20em= bosser,=20 emboss=20the =20material=20or,=20again=20with=20a=20braille=20display,=20just=20read=20i= t=20on=20the=20 display =20from =20the=20computer. =20Its=20not=20a=20perfect=20solution.=20=20But=20yes=20I=20think=20you=20n= eed=20to=20see=20it=20 to=20learn =20it, =20so=20you=20need=20braille=20and=20these=20may=20be=20some=20ways=20to=20= get=20braille. =20Your=20school=20is=20trying=20APH.=20=20How=20about=20National=20braille= =20Press?=20=20 NBP=20has =20transcribed=20college=20level=20texts=20before.=20=20They=20might=20have= =20an=20 algebra=20book =20your =20school=20should=20purchase.=20=20No,=20it=20may=20not=20be=20your=20scho= ol's=20 textbook,=20but=20the =20concepts=20probably=20are=20the=20same.=20=20You=20could=20call=20NBP=20= for=20more=20 info=20about=20a =20book. =20That=20may=20be=20a=20cheaper=20option=20than=20sending=20a=20book=20to= =20be=20 transcribed=20and =20embossed=20to=20braille. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20July=2002,=202011=206:25=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20did=20anyone=20hear=20about=20the=20FSU=20la= wsuit? =20Why=20won't=20someone=20help=20me,=20get=20Braille=20Math=20books,=20for= =20my=20 community =20college? =20I=20haven't=20had=20a=20Braille=20Math=20book,=20and=20it's=20time=20for= =20 Intermediate =20Algebra. =20I've=20already=20gone=20to=20Disability=20services,=20and=20they're=20wi= lling=20to=20 help, =20on=20the=20local=20level,=20but=20they're=20going=20through=20RFBND,=20(= now,=20 Learning =20Ally,)=20instead=20of=20APH,=20for=20the=20Blind. =20I've=20asked=20them=20to=20try=20them,=20but=20I'm=20not=20hearing=20any= thing. =20This=20isn't=20just=20an=20FSU=20issue,=20it's=20universities,=20and=20c= ommunity =20colleges,=20nationwide. =20Something=20more=20needs=20to=20be=20done. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=207/2/11,=20Beth=20=20wrote: =20I=20won't=20be=20in=20Orlando,=20but=20call=20me=20and=20tell=20me=20wha= t=20happens =20during=20the=20general=20sessions.=20=20I=20can't=20go=20because=20of=20= money=20and =20stuff.=20=20Jamie,=20I'd=20love=20to=20see=20FSU=20get=20bombed=20with=20= more=20than=20one =20lawsuit=20about=20discrimination=20against=20the=20blind.=20=20You=20got= =20lots=20of =20errors=20in=20their=20accessibility=20policy,=20but=20I=20have=20yet=20t= o=20see=20 those =20errors.=20=20I=20hope=20to=20see=20an=20article=20about=20this=20in=20th= e=20Monitor. =20Beth =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20blackbyrdfly at gmail.com =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20=20wrote: =20=20Yes=20she=20is. =20=20Jamie,=20this=20message=20is=20to=20you,=20when=20you=20look=20at=20t= his=20list=20 again. =20=20I=20pray=20that=20you're=20successful,=20and=20that=20other=20univers= ities=20stop =20=20discriminating=20against=20the=20disabled. =20=20Blessings,=20Joshua =20=20On=207/2/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20=20That=20is...=20=20outrageous!=20I=20believe=20Jamie's=20on=20this=20l= ist,=20so=20I =20wish =20=20you=20the=20best=20of=20luck!=20Mr.=20=20Goldstein=20is=20a=20great=20= lawyer=20and=20one =20=20that=20NFB=20has=20been=20working=20with=20for=2020=20years,=20so=20I= =20think=20you'll =20=20have=20a=20good=20chance=20of=20winning=20the=20case!=20Good=20luck! =20=20Chris =20=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20= Abilities =20motto) =20=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20yout= h=20in =20=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"= =20How?=20 Click =20=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute: =20=20www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C= .A.N. =20=20Foundation. =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Beth=20 I agree completely, Josh! If an reasonable accomodation product or service is necessary for a blind student to succeed in school, the cost of that product/service shouldn't matter! That's one of the issues that the NFB is concentrating on. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Gregory wrote: If anyone can help me find a good deal on a Pac Mate, with a 20 cell display, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Joshua On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Yes she is. Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again. I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop discriminating against the disabled. Blessings, Joshua On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I wish you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C..A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth From rloew at ETS.ORG Tue Jul 5 13:13:02 2011 From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 06:13:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention: discussion of test practice materials & file formats Message-ID: For people attending Convention: As I announced at the Monday night NABS meeting, I'm interested in preferred electronic file formats for practice materials for ETS tests (GRE, Praxis, TExES, TOEFL). You're invited to an informal discussion over breakfast Wednesday 7/6 at 7:45 a.m. at Smoooth Java, lobby level. That should allow us plenty of time for coffee and bagels and a good conversation before the General Session begins at 9:30. I'd prefer that you call me on my cell phone (215-635-6862) on Tuesday, if you read this in time, to let me know whom, and how many, to expect. Or email me: rloew at ets.org. Or just show up! I look forward to seeing you Weds morning. Listen for someone at Smoooth Java yelling "ETS discussion"! I'll follow up with some questions on the listserv, so whether you're at Convention or not, you can still have input. Thanks! Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D. Assistant Director Office of Disability Policy, ETS phone: 609-683-2984 fax: 609-683-2220 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 16:05:09 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:05:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention streaming problem Message-ID: <4e13363e.31ad340a.1c88.ffffa376@mx.google.com> Hi all, Just to let you know, I tried to stream the board meeting today on my BrailleNote, trying all three links on the site, and there was no audio stream on the page that worked (the WinAmp or iTunes link,) and the other two pages didn't work at all. I called HumanWare tech support thinking it was a BrailleNote problem, and the guy there (who is really nice and a Federationist, by the way, I would recommend him, his name is Andre) tried it on his computer with JAWS 12, and it still didn't work. So, we determined that it was a problem with the NFB Web site and streaming service. I would call the national center, but there won't be a lot of people there, and they probably can't fix the problem there, as it's probably being managed in Orlando. So, if any of you know anyone either in Orlando or Baltimore who would be able to fix this, please let them know so all of us who can't attend the convention can listen to the general sessions and the banquet for the next three days. Thanks! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 5 16:36:37 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 09:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] convention streaming problem In-Reply-To: <4e13363e.31ad340a.1c88.ffffa376@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1309883797.30907.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Chris, You are not the only experienceing problems with the streaming. I tried to stream the board meeting and experienced the same problem. So if anyone can get hold of David Andrews and get him to resolve this problem, it will be great. By the way will they arkive the convention? Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 7/5/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > From: Chris Nusbaum > Subject: [nabs-l] convention streaming problem > To: "Blind Talk list" , "NABS list" , "NFB history list" > Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 11:05 AM > Hi all, > > Just to let you know, I tried to stream the board meeting > today on my BrailleNote, trying all three links on the site, > and there was no audio stream on the page that worked (the > WinAmp or iTunes link,) and the other two pages didn't work > at all.  I called HumanWare tech support thinking it > was a BrailleNote problem, and the guy there (who is really > nice and a Federationist, by the way, I would recommend him, > his name is Andre) tried it on his computer with JAWS 12, > and it still didn't work.  So, we determined that it > was a problem with the NFB Web site and streaming > service.  I would call the national center, but there > won't be a lot of people there, and they probably can't fix > the problem there, as it's probably being managed in > Orlando.  So, if any of you know anyone either in > Orlando or Baltimore who would be able to fix this, please > let them know so all of us who can't attend the convention > can listen to the general sessions and the banquet for the > next three days.  Thanks! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired youth > in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N.  Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 5 16:45:06 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 09:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] streaming of the NFB convention over the telephone Message-ID: <1309884306.9817.YahooMailClassic@web162014.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The Conversation Station (formerly Talkshop) a telephone service where many blind individuals and few sighted individuals gather for some good conversation and to make friendship will be streaming the NFB convention if and when it is available. To listen to the stream, call 231-224-7222, then press pound to get to the main minue, press 1 and when promted to enter a room number, press 393. If you wish to learn more about the Conver Station, feel free to come into room 1 (the main room). thanks Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller From dandrews at visi.com Tue Jul 5 17:05:37 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:05:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] convention streaming problem In-Reply-To: <1309883797.30907.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo .com> References: <4e13363e.31ad340a.1c88.ffffa376@mx.google.com> <1309883797.30907.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have absolutely nothing to do with the streaming! NFB staff were aware of the problems and were trying to fix them. Dave At 11:36 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote: >Chris, >You are not the only experienceing problems with the streaming. I >tried to stream the board meeting and experienced the same problem. >So if anyone can get hold of David Andrews and get him to resolve >this problem, it will be great. By the way will they arkive the convention? > >Anmol > >I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, >like a breeze among flowers. >Hellen Keller > > >--- On Tue, 7/5/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > Subject: [nabs-l] convention streaming problem > > To: "Blind Talk list" , "NABS list" > , "NFB history list" > > Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 11:05 AM > > Hi all, > > > > Just to let you know, I tried to stream the board meeting > > today on my BrailleNote, trying all three links on the site, > > and there was no audio stream on the page that worked (the > > WinAmp or iTunes link,) and the other two pages didn't work > > at all. I called HumanWare tech support thinking it > > was a BrailleNote problem, and the guy there (who is really > > nice and a Federationist, by the way, I would recommend him, > > his name is Andre) tried it on his computer with JAWS 12, > > and it still didn't work. So, we determined that it > > was a problem with the NFB Web site and streaming > > service. I would call the national center, but there > > won't be a lot of people there, and they probably can't fix > > the problem there, as it's probably being managed in > > Orlando. So, if any of you know anyone either in > > Orlando or Baltimore who would be able to fix this, please > > let them know so all of us who can't attend the convention > > can listen to the general sessions and the banquet for the > > next three days. Thanks! > > > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > > motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth > > in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > > How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > > C.A.N. Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Jul 5 17:17:00 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:17:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] convention streaming problem In-Reply-To: <4e13363e.31ad340a.1c88.ffffa376@mx.google.com> References: <4e13363e.31ad340a.1c88.ffffa376@mx.google.com> Message-ID: We know the stream didn't work today -- you don't need to post this on every list to which you belong. Dave At 11:05 AM 7/5/2011, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Hi all, > >Just to let you know, I tried to stream the board meeting today on >my BrailleNote, trying all three links on the site, and there was no >audio stream on the page that worked (the WinAmp or iTunes link,) >and the other two pages didn't work at all. I called HumanWare tech >support thinking it was a BrailleNote problem, and the guy there >(who is really nice and a Federationist, by the way, I would >recommend him, his name is Andre) tried it on his computer with JAWS >12, and it still didn't work. So, we determined that it was a >problem with the NFB Web site and streaming service. I would call >the national center, but there won't be a lot of people there, and >they probably can't fix the problem there, as it's probably being >managed in Orlando. So, if any of you know anyone either in Orlando >or Baltimore who would be able to fix this, please let them know so >all of us who can't attend the convention can listen to the general >sessions and the banquet for the next three days. Thanks! > >Chris > >"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > >The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland >have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link >to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us >on Facebook at I C.A.N. >Foundation. > >Sent from my BrailleNote From AReid at browngold.com Tue Jul 5 18:48:27 2011 From: AReid at browngold.com (Anna Reid) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 14:48:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention - the lawyers want to hear from you Message-ID: Dear NABS, Brown, Goldstein and Levy, the NFB's outside counsel, will have a table outside the main convention hall from 8:30-9am, 12-2pm, and 5-7pm on each of the General Session days. Please come by! We would particularly like to speak with any students who: 1. Have recently experienced access barriers in school, 2. Have recently taken a college-level math course, or 3. Attend one of the following schools: Arizona State University, Pace, Stetson, NJIT, Samford, Columbia College Chicago, UT-Tyler, Maricopa Community Colleges, or Ivy Bridge College of Tiffin University. If you are not attending convention but would like to speak with us, please feel free to contact me off-list. Thanks! Anna Reid Paralegal Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP areid at browngold.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 21:22:33 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:22:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] FW: [nfbwatlk] Fwd: Put ICE on your Cell phone Message-ID: <4e1380a2.6948340a.017e.ffffa9e4@mx.google.com> This is a great idea! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "Humberto Avila" Hi, this already came to the list. sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum , Dad ,rjcox1325 at verizon.net, lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com,Nathan Clark ,Gary Legates , morzo at kc.surewest.net,soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com, NABS list ,NFBMD list , acb-l at acb.org, acb-chat at acb.org Date sent: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:22:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] FW: [nfbwatlk] Fwd: Put ICE on your Cell phone This is a great idea! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "Humberto Avila" FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Names Angela Wolf 2011 Blind Educator of the Year Baltimore, Maryland (July 5, 2011): The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) has named Angela Wolf, a teacher at Austin Discovery School in Austin, Texas, as its 2011 Blind Educator of the Year. Angela Wolf was presented with the award at the NFB's seventy-first annual national convention, held at the Rosen Shingle Creek Hotel in Orlando, Florida. Ms. Wolf has worked in education for over seven years. She began working with blind children as an intern teacher at Sanchez Elementary School in Austin, Texas. From 2005 to 2008, Ms. Wolf served as teacher and coordinator of post-secondary education at the Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired, ably coordinating a dual-agency education program for blind students aged eighteen to twenty-two. Since 2008 she has taught elementary-school students at Austin Discovery School, an innovative charter school. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "Angela's exceptional work in the education field is proof of our conviction that blind people can compete on terms of equality. Ms. Wolf has dedicated herself to educating the future leaders of America and in so doing has become a leader and a role model herself. The National Federation of the Blind commends Ms. Wolf for her outstanding professional accomplishments as well as her commitment to dispelling misconceptions about the abilities of blind people." Ms. Wolf received her bachelor's degree in humanities from the University of Texas, Austin. The Blind Educator of the Year Award carries with it a $1,000 prize. While in Orlando, Ms. Wolf will address several hundred people and have an opportunity to share the experiences and insights that she has gained from being a blind educator. # # # About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 00:38:45 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 20:38:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] streaming of the NFB convention over the telephone Message-ID: <4e13ae9f.04d2dc0a.2da2.5341@mx.google.com> Thanks, Anmol! What parts of the convention? Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Anmol Bhatia Message-ID: <1309915386.71695.YahooMailClassic@web162015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> All parts which are being streamed. So all the General Sessions and the Banquit. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 7/5/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > From: Chris Nusbaum > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] streaming of the NFB convention over the telephone > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 7:38 PM > Thanks, Anmol! What parts of the > convention? > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired youth > in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N.  Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anmol Bhatia To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 09:45:06 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [nabs-l] streaming of the NFB convention over the > telephone > > The Conversation Station (formerly Talkshop) a telephone > service where many blind individuals and few sighted > individuals gather for some good conversation and to make > friendship will be streaming the NFB convention if and when > it is available.  To listen to the stream, call > 231-224-7222, then press pound to get to the main minue, > press 1 and when promted to enter a room number, press > 393.  If you wish to learn more about the Conver > Station, feel free to come into room 1 (the main room). > thanks > Anmol > > > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me > sad.  Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at > times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From mailinglist at hadley.edu Wed Jul 6 14:53:01 2011 From: mailinglist at hadley.edu (The Hadley School for the Blind) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 09:53:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ADV: Reminder: Seminars@Hadley Presents: Jumpstarting Your Social Life Message-ID: If you are having trouble viewing this message, please go to http://community.icontact.com/p/hadley/newsletters/9-29-08/posts/reminder-seminars-hadley-presents-jumpstarting-your-social-life Seminars at Hadley Presents: Jumpstarting Your Social Life Date: Thursday, July 7, 2011 Time: 11 AM CDT, 16:00 GMT Do you feel ill at ease in social situations? Being social and friendly doesn't come naturally or easily to everyone. The good news is that with the right skills and practice you can improve your networking and communication, meet more people and form more productive and satisfying connections and friendships. Join Seminars at Hadley as Manager of Counseling Services at the Guild for the Blind Lauri Dishman shares practical tips and techniques you can use to become more social. This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will be included as part of the seminar. Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for the seminar, follow this link: http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=92 This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 Unsubscribe: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=14976267&l=5693&s=ZOBP&m=264379&c=225701 Comment on this message in the iContact Community: http://community.icontact.com/p/hadley/newsletters/9-29-08/posts/reminder-seminars-hadley-presents-jumpstarting-your-social-life#commentform Receive our messages as an RSS feed: http://community.icontact.com/p/hadley/newsletters/9-29-08/rss.xml?r=14976267&l=5693&s=ZOBP&m=264379&c=225701 From yvonne625 at verizon.net Wed Jul 6 17:56:15 2011 From: yvonne625 at verizon.net (Yvonne) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:56:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Pac Mate for Sale Message-ID: Hello everyone, I am selling my PacMate QX for $800. It is in great condition and has a memory card and carrying case. If anyone is interested please email me off list at yvonne625 at verizon.net Thanks, Yvonne From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 6 20:53:01 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 16:53:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention streaming problem In-Reply-To: <1309883797.30907.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1309883797.30907.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69C699DDCF374DF18412B7243E9A2CAA@OwnerPC> Anmol, Yes in past years the recordings were archived and I think they are this year too. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Anmol Bhatia Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention streaming problem Chris, You are not the only experienceing problems with the streaming. I tried to stream the board meeting and experienced the same problem. So if anyone can get hold of David Andrews and get him to resolve this problem, it will be great. By the way will they arkive the convention? Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 7/5/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > From: Chris Nusbaum > Subject: [nabs-l] convention streaming problem > To: "Blind Talk list" , "NABS list" > , "NFB history list" > Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 11:05 AM > Hi all, > > Just to let you know, I tried to stream the board meeting > today on my BrailleNote, trying all three links on the site, > and there was no audio stream on the page that worked (the > WinAmp or iTunes link,) and the other two pages didn't work > at all. I called HumanWare tech support thinking it > was a BrailleNote problem, and the guy there (who is really > nice and a Federationist, by the way, I would recommend him, > his name is Andre) tried it on his computer with JAWS 12, > and it still didn't work. So, we determined that it > was a problem with the NFB Web site and streaming > service. I would call the national center, but there > won't be a lot of people there, and they probably can't fix > the problem there, as it's probably being managed in > Orlando. So, if any of you know anyone either in > Orlando or Baltimore who would be able to fix this, please > let them know so all of us who can't attend the convention > can listen to the general sessions and the banquet for the > next three days. Thanks! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth > in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 01:51:21 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:51:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention streaming problem Message-ID: <4e151123.df4ee50a.7987.ffffb063@mx.google.com> Not all of it. The national center will probably put updates to the National Convention Highlights page, which is a collection of some of the audio/video highlights of the national convention. It's under Publications, then under the Audio/Video Center on nfb.org. This will be posted after the convention, I don't know how long after. Currently, you can find the audio and video highlights from the 2010, 2009, and 2008 conventions on this page. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Anmol Bhatia wrote: From: Chris Nusbaum , "NABS list" , "NFB history list" Message-ID: Hello, Another Live Well Nebraska blog post. Please read it at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/07/07/dealing-with-diabetic-demon s/ Thanks for the support and comments. Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Live Well Nebraska.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Jul 8 01:47:01 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:47:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Allscripts Software Message-ID: Does anyone have experience with a human services case management program called Allscripts? Someone on another list needs to use it, and is having accessibility problems! Dave From bernadetta_pracon at samobile.net Fri Jul 8 03:10:31 2011 From: bernadetta_pracon at samobile.net (Bernadetta Pracon) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:10:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OT,FS: Like-New PacMate Omni qx420 for sale or trade Message-ID: <20110708031031.454.60303@domU-12-31-38-04-0E-D6.compute-1.internal> Hi everyone, I'm sorry if this is off topic; I know this sort of thing doesn't normally go on this list, but I thought someone might be interested. I have a like-new PacMate omni qx420 that I am willing to sell or trade. This machine has the latest firmware installed,and it has been barely used. It is in excellent condition. I will also include with it a brand-new EP leather case,a CF storage card, and a CF wireless adapter. It comes with the original charger as well. I am open to recieving offers for it. I am also considering trading it for a comparable notetaker or PDA, or a standalone OCR machine, like the Clear Reader. Below is a list of things I would gladly trade for, but if you still want to make a trade offer with a different item(s), please feel free to do so. I may consider it. Please keep in mind that because the PacMate is in excellent condition, I am looking to trade it for an item that is also in very good or excellent condition. Here is the list of items I would definitely be interested in: Braille Sense plus Braille Sense on hand Braille Plus with docking station or a refreshabraille Braille Note pk or apex MacBook pro orMacBookair( from 2010 or later) Clear Reader or other standalone OCR device If you are interested in purchasing the PacMate Omni, please keep in mind that I prefer payment via paypal. I will also gladlyship to a confirmed address. Please don't hesitate to make an offer, email me at bernadetta_pracon at samobile.net Thank you sincerely,, Bernadetta. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 00:14:53 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:14:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [acb-l] Fwd: Justice Department Obtains Comprehensive AgreementRegarding the State of Delaware's Mental Health System Message-ID: <4e179d8a.85c0e60a.64a7.ffffb594@mx.google.com> Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ?Justice Department Obtains Comprehensive Agreement Regarding the State of Delaware's Mental Health System Please circulate. WASHINGTON - The Justice Department today announced that it has entered into a comprehensive agreement with the state of Delaware that will transform Delaware's mental health system and resolve violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). The ADA and the Supreme Court's landmark decision in Olmstead v. L.C. afford individuals with disabilities the right to receive services in the most integrated settings appropriate to their needs, and today's agreement will ensure individuals in Delaware can exercise that right. The Justice Department in 2008 began its investigation of Delaware's state hospital, and modified the scope of the investigation in 2010 to focus on violations of the ADA throughout the mental health system. The state worked cooperatively with the Justice Department to negotiate an agreement resolving alleged violations of the ADA. "Across the country we are enforcing the rights of people with disabilities, affirmed by the Supreme Court more than a decade ago, to live and receive services in their communities," said Thomas E. Perez, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. "The services that the state of Delaware has agreed to provide under this agreement will enable people with mental illnesses living in Delaware to reside successfully in their homes and communities, rather than entering costly segregated facilities. As states around the country work to breathe life into the rights promised by the ADA and Olmstead, this agreement demonstrates Governor Markell and Attorney General Biden's vision and leadership." The agreement expands community mental health services so that Delaware can serve people with severe and persistent mental illness in the most integrated settings appropriate to those individuals' needs. Over the next five years, Delaware will prevent unnecessary hospitalization by expanding and deepening its crisis services, including a hotline, crisis walk-in centers, mobile crisis teams, crisis apartments and short term crisis stabilization programs. Delaware will also provide assertive community treatment teams, intensive case management, and targeted case management to individuals living in the community who need support to remain stable. In addition, the state will offer scattered-site supported housing to everyone in the agreement's target population who needs that housing support. Finally, Delaware will offer supports for daily life, including supported employment, rehabilitation services and peer and family supports. The Civil Rights Division enforces the ADA, which authorizes the attorney general to investigate whether a state is serving individuals in the most integrated settings appropriate to their needs. Visit www.justice.gov/crt to learn more about the Olmstead decision, the ADA and other laws enforced by the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. The agreement in this case protecting the rights of individuals with mental illness in Delaware are due to the efforts of the following Special Litigation Section attorneys: Jonathan Smith, Chief; Judy Preston, Deputy Chief; Alison Barkoff, Special Counsel for Olmstead Enforcement; David Deutsch and Deena Fox, Trial Attorneys. In addition, the division received support and assistance from Shannon Hanson, Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of Delaware. ----- Unsubscribe From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 00:36:24 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:36:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi Message-ID: <4e17a296.31ad340a.4efa.1053@mx.google.com> VGhvdWdodHMgb24gdGhpcz8KCiBDaHJpcwoKIkEgbG9zcyBvZiBzaWdodCwgbmV2ZXIgYSBsb3Nz IG9mIHZpc2lvbiEiIChDYW1wIEFiaWxpdGllcyBtb3R0bykKClRoZSBJIEMuQS5OLiAgRm91bmRh dGlvbiBoZWxwcyB2aXN1YWxseSBpbXBhaXJlZCB5b3V0aCBpbiAKTWFyeWxhbmQgaGF2ZSB0aGUg YWJpbGl0eSB0byBjb25maWRlbnRseSBzYXkgIkkgY2FuISIgSG93PyBDbGljayAKb24gdGhpcyBs aW5rIHRvIGxlYXJuIG1vcmUgYW5kIHRvIGNvbnRyaWJ1dGU6IAp3d3cuaWNhbmZvdW5kYXRpb24u aW5mbyBvciBsaWtlIHVzIG9uIEZhY2Vib29rIGF0IEkgQy5BLk4uICAKRm91bmRhdGlvbi4KCgoK IFNlbnQgZnJvbSBteSBCcmFpbGxlTm90ZQoKIC0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLS0K 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01:25:02 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi In-Reply-To: <4e17a296.31ad340a.4efa.1053@mx.google.com> References: <4e17a296.31ad340a.4efa.1053@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? Blessings, Joshua On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Thoughts on this? > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "joe harcz Comcast" Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi > Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > A Call to Action – > > Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters with Disabilities > Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > A Public Report on > Polling Place > > Accessibility in Michigan > > Public Report by > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > 2011 > > Acknowledgements > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) is Michigan’s > designated agency to advocate and protect the legal rights of > persons with disabilities, mandated > by federal and state law. MPAS receives funding from the > Administration on Developmental Disabilities, the center for > Mental Health Services – Substance > Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the > Rehabilitation Services Administration, the Social Security > Administration, the State of Michigan > and from private donations. > > Funding for this report has been made possible through the U.S. > Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for > Children and Families, and the > Administration on Developmental Disabilities. The contents are > the sole responsibility of the author and do not necessarily > represent the official views > of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. > > 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. This > publication may be reproduced in part or in its entirety for > noncommercial purposes as long > as appropriate credit is given. > > Table of Contents > > Executive > Summary.......................................................... > ...................................................5 > > Midterm > Report........................................................... > .........................................................6 > > Michigan’s Polling Place Accessibility > Project.......................................................... > .........7 > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election > Officials......................................10 > > Next > Steps............................................................ > ..............................................................11 > > In > Summary.......................................................... > ..............................................................11 > > Accessibility Rate Per > County........................................................... > ................................13 > > Executive Summary > > In Michigan, voters with disabilities face obstacles at voting > locations often because their polling place lacks physical > accessibility. The Help America > Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique obstacles faced by voters > with disabilities and authorized funding for the federally > mandated Protection and Advocacy > Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove barriers. > Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been targeted for > elimination in the President’s proposed > 2012 budget. > > HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, (MPAS), > and other Protection & Advocacy agencies with helping to ensure > the full participation of > individuals with disabilities in the electoral process, including > registering to vote, casting a ballot, and accessing polling > places. > > The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure that every > eligible Michigan resident receives equal access to their polling > location and has the opportunity > to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS staff members are on > the ground providing advice, technical assistance, and training > to election officials about > voting accessibility across the spectrum of disabilities. The > agency also provides outreach and training to voters with > disabilities, poll workers, and > service providers. MPAS and the Secretary of State of Michigan > partnered over the past six years working toward this goal, which > has been effective in > increasing physical access to polling locations throughout > Michigan. > > Voting is a fundamental right protected by the United States > Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and subject to intense > public scrutiny each election > cycle. Provisions within these protections prohibit > discrimination against people with disabilities in the electoral > process. Exercising their Constitutional > right, however, has continued to be a challenge for individuals > with disabilities despite changes made to federal and state laws > intended to ensure full > participation. > > Key Summary > > ¨ Disability advocates have visited 95% (3,457) and > reviewed the exterior of polling locations in Michigan. > > ¨ Upon initial review, Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan polling places were > compliant under the Americans > with Disabilities Act. > > ¨ After working with state and local officials, it is > anticipated that Michigan’s accessibility rate will be increased > to 90% in 2012. > > ¨ Of the locations that were inaccessible, 60% had one > barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% had three or more > types of barriers. > > ¨ Only six of the 84 counties in Michigan were 100% > physically accessible upon initial visit. > > ¨ MPAS continues to receive complaints regarding the > AutoMARK, Michigan’s accessible ballot marking device. > > Michigan has made great strides toward accessibility at the > polls. This report will highlight the steps taken to ensure that > all polling locations throughout > Michigan are accessible to voters with disabilities. In > addition, the report will offer recommendations for Michigan to > achieve and maintain an accessibility > rate of 100%. > > 2010 Mid Term Report > > Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout the country, > Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) in 2002. HAVA > included sweeping legislation > intended to modernize the electoral system for all voters, > including those with disabilities. The Help America Vote Act > reinforced the application of > Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act and Section 504 > of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in 2004, Michigan > lawmakers amended Michigan election > law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the removal of physical > barriers at polling locations. Irrespective of both federal and > state law, 25% of Michigan's > voting locations continued to be inaccessible for the November > 2010 general election. To achieve an all-encompassing voting > standard for the fifty states, > HAVA included two key components for the disability community: > > ¨ All polling places must have at least one voting system > which allows all citizens to cast a ballot privately and > independently, whether or not one > has a disability. > > ¨ States must ensure accessibility at all public polling > places in a manner compliant with the Americans with Disabilities > Act (ADA). > > Accessible Voting System > > In 2004, the disability community and the Michigan Secretary of > State’s Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully assessing which > accessible device would best > fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 selected the > AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible ballot marking device > that can be used by all voters > with or without disabilities. > > Although every polling location is equipped with the AutoMARK, > each municipality is responsible for making sure it is set up and > operating properly. Unfortunately, > MPAS continues to receive complaints about the AutoMARK. Voter > complaints have included the following: the AutoMARK was boxed > up on Election Day, unplugged, > jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters could see the > “secret” ballot. Complaints concerning jammed ballots have been > greatly reduced since the > last round of updates were completed. Because the AutoMARK is > used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter feedback to > correct these kinds of problems. > MPAS continues to monitor and respond to complaints as they > arise. > > Accessible Polling Places > > Under HAVA, the federal government allocated money to assist with > the purchase of accessible equipment like the AutoMARK, but also > to help municipalities > make their polling places physically accessible. Congress > recognized that in order for people to use the accessible voting > machines, the building must > also be accessible so voters can access the polling location and > voting equipment. It is the local election officials’ > responsibility to make sure all > polling locations are accessible on Election Day. To help cover > the expense for removing barriers at polling locations, the > Michigan BOE administers a > grant program called Access for All, under the U.S. Department > of Health and Human Services with funding allocated through HAVA, > to help the state comply > with HAVA. In most circumstances, the Access for All grants > cover all costs associated with accessibility upgrades for > polling locations. > > When Michigan’s State Plan to implement provisions under HAVA was > initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were required to complete an > accessibility checklist > to determine whether or not their locations were accessible. > This was one of the state’s first attempts to gather information > on Michigan’s polling place > accessibility. During this time, MPAS and other organizations > were working closely with individual election officials on > polling location reviews and > were also training the municipal clerks on the accessibility > requirements. MPAS also spent a considerable amount of time > assisting clerks with assessing > the accessibility of their polling locations and helping them > apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS found that the > accessibility data provided by > clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly reliable. > > MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election’s (BOE) attention and > shared independent accessibility reviews with them. The BOE has > since increased efforts > to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving communication > and requiring additional documentation from the clerks. > > In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal polling locations > randomly, without notifying the election official in advance. > After compiling this data on > polling locations statewide, the systemic issue of > inaccessibility became a heightened concern. Once these concerns > were communicated to the Bureau of > Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 dramatically > increasing their involvement in the advancement of polling place > accessibility. > > This same year, the federal government began reviewing how the > states were spending HAVA funds. This fueled speculation that > the federal government would > eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since some states had > not spent their money, rather placing it in an account and > allowing the funds to gain > interest. Concerned that Congress would pull the allocated funds > completely, which would prevent municipalities from accessing > money to make polling places > accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau of Elections, > embarked on a project to ensure 100% accessibility at all > Michigan polling places. > > Michigan’s Polling Place Accessibility Project > > In 2010, Michigan started building the framework of a statewide > plan to reach 100% polling place accessibility. MPAS and the > Bureau of Elections strengthened > their partnership in order to achieve this goal. Within this > plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all locations throughout > the state. Michigan has > approximately 3,600 polling places in total. MPAS had already > gathered information on 530 polling places prior to 2010, > therefore, did not revisit those > locations (some were initially accessible and others MPAS worked > closely with clerks to improve accessibility. MPAS is still > working with clerks to bring > the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations into compliance). > MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 polling locations in > 2010. > > Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at least 95% of the > polling places in Michigan. > > The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed nearly 25% of the > polling places that remained physically inaccessible as required > by the Americans with > Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, 2,927 were assessed > between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG as a benchmark to > determine physical accessibility, > over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 locations visited, > had physical barriers failing to comply with the ADAAG – barriers > that create potential > difficulties to voters with disabilities on Election Day. > > Barriers can prevent people with disabilities from fully > participating in all aspects of society because of their > disability. This might include architectural > barriers, physical barriers, communication barriers, attitudinal > barriers, cultural barriers, etc. Throughout this project, MPAS’ > reviews focused primarily > on physical and external barriers, which are defined as something > material that blocks passage. Physical barriers addressed in > this report include objects > in the environment such as inaccessible doors or doorways, > inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, inaccessible door > hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in 2010, 28% did not > meet accessibility standards. Based on discussions with the BOE > in 2008, when MPAS completed > the unannounced visits, clerks were not only notified with a > letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but they were also > notified by the Bureau of Elections. > MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the municipalities > plans to meet ADA requirements. The letters contained a > photograph of the problem area(s), > along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. Within a five month > period, letters were sent to over 440 municipalities concerning > approximately 800 polling > locations. > > As shown below, 28% of the polling places visited in 2010 had > some type of physical barrier present at the time of review. > > The following chart highlights the most common number of physical > barriers discovered at each location. > > A majority of the locations reviewed had only one physical > barrier present. While the largest and most frequent problem was > related to parking, the types > of barriers at each location varied as shown in the following > chart. > > Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had accessible parking > but no signs posted Parking: locations that had no parking > designated or noncompliant access > aisles Pathway: barriers that existed between access aisles and > entryway Entrance: problems such as door width, door > thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, ramps, handrails, > thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election Officials > > After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS notified municipal > clerks of locations where barriers were discovered. Within a > four-month period, over 440 > letters were sent to election officials. By the end of 2010, 88% > of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a plan of correction. > In addition, MPAS > provided technical assistance to the election officials on how to > improve access to their polling location in order to come into > compliance. Based on > the responses received from clerks, 43% informed us they were > would make the changes required; 31% corrected the barriers at > the polling locations; 9% > were going to apply for Access for All grant; and the remaining > responses varied from clerk using temporary equipment. > > When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was completed, MPAS > required documentation from each clerk proving or stating that > the work had been completed, > including photographs and/or copies of purchase orders. A > majority of the clerks responded either with a plan of correction > for spring 2011 or with a > statement that the work was completed. MPAS is still waiting for > some clerks to confirm that the work was done sufficiently. Once > the removal of barriers > at these locations has been verified, MPAS expects Michigan’s > polling place accessibility rate to rise to nearly 90 % ­­-- > one of the highest in the nation. > There remains, however, substantial work to be completed in the > city of Detroit in order to reach this goal. The remaining 12% > of clerks, who did not respond > to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of correction, will > become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% accessibility. > > NEXT STEPS > > While the focus of this report has been on reaching the 90% > accessibility rate, there would still be approximately 10% of > polling locations in Michigan > that are not accessible to all voters. Some clerks disagree with > the findings and MPAS is working with those clerks. > > In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of polling locations > that are still recorded as being inaccessible, breaking them into > three categories: failure > to communicate; work promised but documentation still needed; and > locations requiring review by MPAS. > > MPAS will focus attention on election officials who have failed > to respond to MPAS communication attempts. This may involve > revisiting the location (some > clerks correct the problem even when they fail to respond), > attending city council/township meetings, filing official HAVA > complaints, and/or pursuing > legal action under different funding sources. MPAS’ goal has > always been to educate clerks and assist them with improving > access first by proposing solutions > to removing barriers. > > In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to monitoring the > correction plans that election officials have submitted to ensure > that barriers are removed. > MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling locations that have > not been visited yet. > > In Summary > > Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership between MPAS and the > Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was crucial. The state > reinforced the necessity of > accessible elections. They followed up with each municipality > whose polling place was noted as being inaccessible in order to > determine the jurisdiction's > planned course of action. In addition, the BOE coordinated and > extended Michigan's polling place improvement grant well into the > fall to assist municipalities > in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > Local election officials can either upgrade their polling places > (with or without grant funds), or relocate the polling place to > an accessible site. The > Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 project, they > have seen a large increase in the number of municipalities > applying for grant money. In > an effort to assist with the project, the BOE extended the > typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks additional > opportunity to respond to MPAS’ > letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant funds. The > Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant applications, the > largest amount ever received > in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant applications, 66 > applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a plan of > correction - 89% of those who applied. > A large number of municipalities have pledged to apply when the > next grant period opens in early 2011. > > If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President’s proposed budget > cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the partnership with the > Secretary of State, ensuring > all elections are accessible to all voters. Additionally, MPAS > encourages clerks to reach out to local disability groups for > future trainings. Listed > below are additional recommendations moving forward. > > Summary/Recommendations: > > ¨ Local clerks must be required to notify the Bureau of > Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > ¨ Accessibility checks should be completed when clerks > change polling locations, to verify accessibility. Reports (with > photographs) should be submitted > to the Bureau of Elections. > > ¨ New polling locations must be required to adhere to the > Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility Guidelines. > > ¨ The advisory committee in charge of amending the State > Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify ways to hold > clerks accountable and implement > model oversight programs. > > ¨ Access for All grant money should be available throughout > the year, so accessibility problems can be addressed anytime they > arise. > > ¨ The Bureau of Elections and local clerks should continue > working with disability advocacy organizations to complete > year-round polling place accessibility > audits and training to clerks. > > Accessibility Rate by County > > Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > County > > Polling Locations > > Visited > > Accessible > > Barriers Discovered > > Percent Visited > > % Accessible of those Visited > > Now Complete > > % Now Accessible > > Alcona > > 12 > > 12 > > 8 > > 4 > > 100% > > 67% > > 3 > > 92% > > Alger > > 10 > > 10 > > 5 > > 5 > > 100% > > 50% > > 5 > > 100% > > Allegan > > 37 > > 37 > > 35 > > 2 > > 100% > > 95% > > 1 > > 97% > > Alpena > > 15 > > 15 > > 8 > > 7 > > 100% > > 53% > > 1 > > 60% > > Antrim > > 15 > > 15 > > 9 > > 6 > > 100% > > 60% > > 2 > > 73% > > Arenac > > 14 > > 14 > > 10 > > 4 > > 100% > > 71% > > 3 > > 93% > > Baraga > > 8 > > 6 > > 1 > > 5 > > 75% > > 17% > > 1 > > 33% > > Barry > > 23 > > 23 > > 18 > > 5 > > 100% > > 78% > > 1 > > 83% > > Bay > > 49 > > 48 > > 36 > > 12 > > 98% > > 75% > > 1 > > 77% > > Benzie > > 13 > > 13 > > 6 > > 7 > > 100% > > 46% > > 4 > > 77% > > Berrien > > 57 > > 57 > > 43 > > 14 > > 100% > > 75% > > 8 > > 89% > > Branch > > 18 > > 17 > > 9 > > 8 > > 94% > > 53% > > 6 > > 88% > > Calhoun > > 46 > > 43 > > 34 > > 9 > > 93% > > 79% > > 3 > > 86% > > Cass > > 19 > > 19 > > 12 > > 7 > > 100% > > 63% > > 6 > > 95% > > Charlevoix > > 18 > > 16 > > 10 > > 6 > > 89% > > 63% > > 1 > > 69% > > Cheboygan > > 20 > > 20 > > 14 > > 6 > > 100% > > 70% > > 5 > > 95% > > Chippewa > > 19 > > 18 > > 13 > > 5 > > 95% > > 72% > > 4 > > 94% > > Clare > > 19 > > 16 > > 13 > > 3 > > 84% > > 81% > > 2 > > 94% > > Clinton > > 28 > > 26 > > 24 > > 2 > > 93% > > 92% > > 1 > > 96% > > Crawford > > 7 > > 7 > > 6 > > 1 > > 100% > > 86% > > 0 > > 86% > > Delta > > 21 > > 20 > > 11 > > 9 > > 95% > > 55% > > 1 > > 60% > > Dickinson > > 15 > > 15 > > 6 > > 9 > > 100% > > 40% > > 5 > > 73% > > Eaton > > 36 > > 36 > > 28 > > 8 > > 100% > > 78% > > 2 > > 83% > > Emmet > > 19 > > 19 > > 12 > > 7 > > 100% > > 63% > > 5 > > 89% > > Genesee > > 119 > > 109 > > 84 > > 25 > > 92% > > 77% > > 2 > > 79% > > Gladwin > > 17 > > 17 > > 11 > > 6 > > 100% > > 65% > > 1 > > 71% > > Gogebic > > 10 > > 10 > > 7 > > 3 > > 100% > > 70% > > 2 > > 90% > > Grand Traverse > > 28 > > 27 > > 27 > > 0 > > 96% > > 100% > > 0 > > 100% > > Gratiot > > 23 > > 23 > > 16 > > 7 > > 100% > > 70% > > 2 > > 78% > > Hillsdale > > 21 > > 21 > > 12 > > 9 > > 100% > > 57% > > 3 > > 71% > > Houghton > > 31 > > 22 > > 9 > > 13 > > 71% > > 41% > > 5 > > 64% > > Huron > > 30 > > 29 > > 18 > > 11 > > 97% > > 62% > > 5 > > 79% > > Ingham > > 95 > > 81 > > 78 > > 3 > > 85% > > 96% > > 0 > > 96% > > Ionia > > 22 > > 22 > > 17 > > 5 > > 100% > > 77% > > 1 > > 82% > > Iosco > > 15 > > 15 > > 14 > > 1 > > 100% > > 93% > > 1 > > 100% > > Iron > > 12 > > 12 > > 6 > > 6 > > 100% > > 50% > > 2 > > 67% > > Isabella > > 25 > > 25 > > 19 > > 6 > > 100% > > 76% > > 1 > > 80% > > Jackson > > 47 > > 45 > > 34 > > 11 > > 96% > > 76% > > 2 > > 80% > > Kalamazoo > > 97 > > 97 > > 79 > > 18 > > 100% > > 81% > > 7 > > 89% > > Kalkaska > > 12 > > 12 > > 8 > > 4 > > 100% > > 67% > > 1 > > 75% > > Kent > > 209 > > 207 > > 174 > > 33 > > 99% > > 84% > > 11 > > 89% > > Keweenaw > > 5 > > 4 > > 4 > > 0 > > 80% > > 100% > > 0 > > 100% > > Lake > > 15 > > 15 > > 8 > > 7 > > 100% > > 53% > > 2 > > 67% > > Lapeer > > 24 > > 24 > > 20 > > 4 > > 100% > > 83% > > 2 > > 92% > > Leelanau > > 13 > > 13 > > 8 > > 5 > > 100% > > 62% > > 1 > > 69% > > Lenawee > > 30 > > 30 > > 23 > > 7 > > 100% > > 77% > > 4 > > 90% > > Livingston > > 48 > > 45 > > 35 > > 10 > > 94% > > 78% > > 0 > > 78% > > Luce > > 4 > > 4 > > 3 > > 1 > > 100% > > 75% > > 0 > > 75% > > Mackinac > > 13 > > 10 > > 5 > > 5 > > 77% > > 50% > > 1 > > 60% > > Macomb > > 235 > > 233 > > 188 > > 45 > > 99% > > 81% > > 17 > > 88% > > Manistee > > 15 > > 15 > > 11 > > 4 > > 100% > > 73% > > 3 > > 93% > > Marquette > > 29 > > 29 > > 16 > > 13 > > 100% > > 55% > > 1 > > 59% > > Mason > > 23 > > 23 > > 15 > > 8 > > 100% > > 65% > > 3 > > 78% > > Mecosta > > 22 > > 22 > > 18 > > 4 > > 100% > > 82% > > 1 > > 86% > > Menominee > > 16 > > 14 > > 8 > > 6 > > 88% > > 57% > > 0 > > 57% > > Midland > > 38 > > 29 > > 22 > > 7 > > 76% > > 76% > > 4 > > 90% > > Missaukee > > 17 > > 17 > > 14 > > 3 > > 100% > > 82% > > 3 > > 100% > > Monroe > > 42 > > 36 > > 27 > > 9 > > 86% > > 75% > > 5 > > 89% > > Montcalm > > 26 > > 25 > > 21 > > 4 > > 96% > > 84% > > 2 > > 92% > > Montmorency > > 9 > > 9 > > 7 > > 2 > > 100% > > 78% > > 1 > > 89% > > Muskegon > > 72 > > 71 > > 68 > > 3 > > 99% > > 96% > > 2 > > 99% > > Newaygo > > 28 > > 28 > > 22 > > 6 > > 100% > > 79% > > 3 > > 89% > > Oakland > > 410 > > 380 > > 292 > > 88 > > 93% > > 77% > > 46 > > 89% > > Oceana > > 18 > > 18 > > 12 > > 6 > > 100% > > 67% > > 0 > > 67% > > Ogemaw > > 16 > > 16 > > 10 > > 6 > > 100% > > 63% > > 5 > > 94% > > Ontonagon > > 14 > > 10 > > 3 > > 7 > > 71% > > 30% > > 0 > > 30% > > Osceola > > 18 > > 18 > > 14 > > 4 > > 100% > > 78% > > 2 > > 89% > > Oscoda > > 6 > > 6 > > 4 > > 2 > > 100% > > 67% > > 1 > > 83% > > Otsego > > 10 > > 10 > > 7 > > 3 > > 100% > > 70% > > 2 > > 90% > > Ottawa > > 88 > > 88 > > 79 > > 9 > > 100% > > 90% > > 5 > > 95% > > Presque Isle > > 16 > > 16 > > 10 > > 6 > > 100% > > 63% > > 3 > > 81% > > Roscommon > > 11 > > 11 > > 11 > > 0 > > 100% > > 100% > > 0 > > 100% > > Saginaw > > 75 > > 75 > > 61 > > 14 > > 100% > > 81% > > 8 > > 92% > > Sanilac > > 30 > > 30 > > 26 > > 4 > > 100% > > 87% > > 3 > > 97% > > Schoolcraft > > 10 > > 10 > > 6 > > 4 > > 100% > > 60% > > 2 > > 80% > > Shiawassee > > 27 > > 27 > > 17 > > 10 > > 100% > > 63% > > 3 > > 74% > > St. Clair > > 52 > > 48 > > 44 > > 4 > > 92% > > 92% > > 3 > > 98% > > St. Joseph > > 17 > > 17 > > 12 > > 5 > > 100% > > 71% > > 2 > > 82% > > Tuscola > > 25 > > 24 > > 16 > > 8 > > 96% > > 67% > > 2 > > 75% > > Van Buren > > 23 > > 22 > > 19 > > 3 > > 96% > > 86% > > 1 > > 91% > > Washtenaw > > 106 > > 100 > > 70 > > 30 > > 94% > > 70% > > 0 > > 70% > > Wayne > > 568 > > 519 > > 325 > > 194 > > 91% > > 63% > > 28 > > 68% > > Wexford > > 20 > > 20 > > 14 > > 6 > > 100% > > 70% > > 1 > > 75% > > Total > > 3635 > > 3457 > > 2579 > > 878 > > 95.10% > > 74.60% > > 289 > > 83% > > table end > > > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 9 16:32:06 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:32:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Names Angela Wolf 2011Blind Educator of the Year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75D1A2E021D54A86B489F9DA3753BC9A@OwnerPC> Hi all, This is good news. Angela was a nabs president too. I met her briefly at washington seminar and admired her dream and determination to become a teacher. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Freeh,Jessica (by way of David Andrews ) Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 6:36 PM To: nfb-announce at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Names Angela Wolf 2011Blind Educator of the Year FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Names Angela Wolf 2011 Blind Educator of the Year Baltimore, Maryland (July 5, 2011): The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) has named Angela Wolf, a teacher at Austin Discovery School in Austin, Texas, as its 2011 Blind Educator of the Year. Angela Wolf was presented with the award at the NFB's seventy-first annual national convention, held at the Rosen Shingle Creek Hotel in Orlando, Florida. Ms. Wolf has worked in education for over seven years. She began working with blind children as an intern teacher at Sanchez Elementary School in Austin, Texas. From 2005 to 2008, Ms. Wolf served as teacher and coordinator of post-secondary education at the Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired, ably coordinating a dual-agency education program for blind students aged eighteen to twenty-two. Since 2008 she has taught elementary-school students at Austin Discovery School, an innovative charter school. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "Angela's exceptional work in the education field is proof of our conviction that blind people can compete on terms of equality. Ms. Wolf has dedicated herself to educating the future leaders of America and in so doing has become a leader and a role model herself. The National Federation of the Blind commends Ms. Wolf for her outstanding professional accomplishments as well as her commitment to dispelling misconceptions about the abilities of blind people." Ms. Wolf received her bachelor's degree in humanities from the University of Texas, Austin. The Blind Educator of the Year Award carries with it a $1,000 prize. While in Orlando, Ms. Wolf will address several hundred people and have an opportunity to share the experiences and insights that she has gained from being a blind educator. # # # About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 9 16:41:17 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Explanation of Paintings--any help? In-Reply-To: <1309696749.36856.YahooMailClassic@web76815.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> References: <1309696749.36856.YahooMailClassic@web76815.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Winy, I think you'll need sighted help. How about having a friend or reader describe the pictures to you and you can then make captions for the pictures. For descriptions you might try a museum's website. But other than that I'm not sure. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Winy Kwany Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 8:39 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Explanation of Paintings--any help? Hi all, I need help. I am learning 20th century music in Music History class. The lecturer asked us to make a slide show presentation about art, fashion and architecture. I tried my best. I could downloat and present the pictures from each of the movement such as cubism, de stijl, etc. The lecturer still blames me, telling me that I should find paintings or buildings with explanation about the pictures. I have told her that I have tried to search for such explanation but I found nothing. I can only find title of the pictures, composer and date of each. She believes that there are such information on the net. Any help? Does anyone know any websites that provide explanation to paintings, architecture and fashion, especially the 20th century ones? I look forward to hearing from you very soon. Any help, ideas, input will be highly appreciated. Many thanks. 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Importing PDF files into the Readit software enables users to read PDF files that originally are inaccessible because they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also allows you to save documents as a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your document as an MP3 file to listen to it on your favorite MP3 player. The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy access toolbar designed specifically for low vision users. The toolbar provides the ability to adjust the size of the clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to all the basic controls enabling low vision users to capture their document, change the view to their preference and more at the click of a button. Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 different types of highlights, as well as six different ways to display text, allowing low vision users to customize the software to their personal preference. When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit Wand is the first portable camera to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision users the ability to interact with the software by simply using their fingers! This means no more tracking the cursor, which provides direct interaction between the user and the Readit software, creating the best possible user experience. GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the Readit Wand in the U.S., developed and manufactured by VisionAid International, located in the UK. Readit Wand will be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. For more information on the Readit Wand, visit www.gwmicro.com, email sales at gwmicro.com , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. GW Micro, Inc. ( www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. VisionAid International, Ltd ( www.visionaid-international.com), established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, effective and simple to use devices for people who are partially sighted and blind that make reading a pleasure once again. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 18:24:32 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:24:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable CameraReading System to Support Touchscreen Message-ID: <4e189cee.907fe50a.6655.ffffad21@mx.google.com> This sounds like a cool product... Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: David Andrews Hi all, I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille users! I recently registered for WebBraille, and am looking forward to all it has to offer. But I do have this question: when I click on a link for a book, where can I find a link, button, or something where I can download the BRF file(s) onto my BrailleNote? I tried to download Walking Alone and Marching Together last night, and when I clicked on the link, it put me into the actual book to read online, but I wanted to download the book to read it in my BrailleNote's book reader at a later date. How can I do this? Thanks! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 20:43:22 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:43:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] update on the nabs meeting Message-ID: <5B2EF19E364440A591F791E7D66BD453@AudioShockWave> Hi All! I want to apologize in the delay in uploading the meeting from convention. I do have it, but some edits need to be made, and the one convention gift I was rather lucky enough to take home (being sarcastic here) is a cold. I'll be doing the massive editing that needs to be done so you guys can have some amazing audio to hear from Nabs, and to hear on my show on Monday night from Disney World. Will talk to you all soon, and congrats to the new board. >From David From amylsabo at comcast.net Sun Jul 10 00:06:24 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] update on the nabs meeting In-Reply-To: <5B2EF19E364440A591F791E7D66BD453@AudioShockWave> Message-ID: <1208387696.288548.1310256384048.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> dear david, thanks for letting me know of this. i kinda of thought that this wouldn''t be up pnnline until after xonvention. i bet that you had to do a lot of audio editing for it. but, i can't wait to hear it since i wasn't there to be there in person. i will also be listening to the show fdefinately on monday night to hear all the audio clips and all from convention and from disney world. but, my dear i'm sorry that you got a cold there in florida. i can understand that because i have goten sick at convention or after i got home from convention. well, sweetie that's all for now take care and, i will talk to you soon! hugs always, from amy ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dunphy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 20:43:22 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] update on the nabs meeting Hi All! I want to apologize in the delay in uploading the meeting from convention. I do have it, but some edits need to be made, and the one convention gift I was rather lucky enough to take home (being sarcastic here) is a cold. I'll be doing the massive editing that needs to be done so you guys can have some amazing audio to hear from Nabs, and to hear on my show on Monday night from Disney World. Will talk to you all soon, and congrats to the new board. >From David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 00:26:45 2011 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Andi) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 20:26:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am sure this is a silly question but I have to ask. I use to use my brail note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was wondering if there is a program to change the files from the brail document to a word document? Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the simpaler to use the better, but I still want it to do a good job. thank you so much for your help. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera Reading System to Support Touchscreen FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera Reading System to Support Touchscreen for People with Low Vision Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, Inc. ( www.gwmicro.com) and VisionAid International Ltd ( www.visionaid-international.com) are proud to announce the Readit Wand! The Readit Wand is a portable camera that connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read documents for the visually impaired. Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and more with ease using the Readit Wand. Everything read with the Readit Wand will be read in a clear, human-sounding voice. The ability to read all of these items makes Readit Wand the perfect tool for the classroom, at home, or at work. The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects via USB. The 5-megapixel camera is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for recognition in as little as two seconds. The stylish and compact Readit Wand allows for automatic multi-language switching when other languages are installed. The portability and multiple language support make it the ideal tool for students who are learning a foreign language. Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software that allows you to save, load, import, and export documents, including PDFs. Importing PDF files into the Readit software enables users to read PDF files that originally are inaccessible because they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also allows you to save documents as a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your document as an MP3 file to listen to it on your favorite MP3 player. The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy access toolbar designed specifically for low vision users. The toolbar provides the ability to adjust the size of the clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to all the basic controls enabling low vision users to capture their document, change the view to their preference and more at the click of a button. Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 different types of highlights, as well as six different ways to display text, allowing low vision users to customize the software to their personal preference. When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit Wand is the first portable camera to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision users the ability to interact with the software by simply using their fingers! This means no more tracking the cursor, which provides direct interaction between the user and the Readit software, creating the best possible user experience. GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the Readit Wand in the U.S., developed and manufactured by VisionAid International, located in the UK. Readit Wand will be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. For more information on the Readit Wand, visit www.gwmicro.com, email sales at gwmicro.com , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. GW Micro, Inc. ( www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. VisionAid International, Ltd ( www.visionaid-international.com), established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, effective and simple to use devices for people who are partially sighted and blind that make reading a pleasure once again. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 05:54:22 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0141593B2F764E3F98BA2C092D8F2485@HumbertoAvila> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native format documents into word documents. If you want to do so, you will have to use your Braille note to do it because there is no program that will translate and convert Keyword Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word (.doc) documents, unless you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, and then use a program in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you will need Duxbury Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the license if you don't already have it--you can although try it for free but some functions will be disabled) I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to send another message off list if you can and I will give you more instructions--this is good practice for me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching assistive technology. Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andi Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? I am sure this is a silly question but I have to ask. I use to use my brail note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was wondering if there is a program to change the files from the brail document to a word document? Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the simpaler to use the better, but I still want it to do a good job. thank you so much for your help. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera Reading System to Support Touchscreen FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera Reading System to Support Touchscreen for People with Low Vision Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, Inc. ( www.gwmicro.com) and VisionAid International Ltd ( www.visionaid-international.com) are proud to announce the Readit Wand! The Readit Wand is a portable camera that connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read documents for the visually impaired. Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and more with ease using the Readit Wand. Everything read with the Readit Wand will be read in a clear, human-sounding voice. The ability to read all of these items makes Readit Wand the perfect tool for the classroom, at home, or at work. The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects via USB. The 5-megapixel camera is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for recognition in as little as two seconds. The stylish and compact Readit Wand allows for automatic multi-language switching when other languages are installed. The portability and multiple language support make it the ideal tool for students who are learning a foreign language. Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software that allows you to save, load, import, and export documents, including PDFs. Importing PDF files into the Readit software enables users to read PDF files that originally are inaccessible because they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also allows you to save documents as a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your document as an MP3 file to listen to it on your favorite MP3 player. The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy access toolbar designed specifically for low vision users. The toolbar provides the ability to adjust the size of the clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to all the basic controls enabling low vision users to capture their document, change the view to their preference and more at the click of a button. Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 different types of highlights, as well as six different ways to display text, allowing low vision users to customize the software to their personal preference. When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit Wand is the first portable camera to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision users the ability to interact with the software by simply using their fingers! This means no more tracking the cursor, which provides direct interaction between the user and the Readit software, creating the best possible user experience. GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the Readit Wand in the U.S., developed and manufactured by VisionAid International, located in the UK. Readit Wand will be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. For more information on the Readit Wand, visit www.gwmicro.com, email sales at gwmicro.com , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. GW Micro, Inc. ( www.gwmicro.com) has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. VisionAid International, Ltd ( www.visionaid-international.com), established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, effective and simple to use devices for people who are partially sighted and blind that make reading a pleasure once again. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 06:34:41 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 02:34:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille In-Reply-To: <4e18a391.83d6e60a.4932.ffff9cf8@mx.google.com> References: <4e18a391.83d6e60a.4932.ffff9cf8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log in it says my user name and password is wrong. I have called and gotten it changed three times and it still says it. wonder what I am doing wrong. On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille users! I recently > registered for WebBraille, and am looking forward to all it has > to offer. But I do have this question: when I click on a link > for a book, where can I find a link, button, or something where I > can download the BRF file(s) onto my BrailleNote? I tried to > download Walking Alone and Marching Together last night, and when > I clicked on the link, it put me into the actual book to read > online, but I wanted to download the book to read it in my > BrailleNote's book reader at a later date. How can I do this? > Thanks! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 15:30:00 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi Message-ID: <4e19c587.6182e50a.7e37.ffffbc16@mx.google.com> I=20forwarded=20this=20because=20since=20the=20NFB=20is=20working=20to=20en= sure=20 accessible=20voting=20and=20was=20the=20driving=20force=20behind=20the=20He= lp=20 America=20Vote=20Act=20(HAVA.)=20So,=20we=20might=20be=20able=20to=20work=20= jointly=20 with=20ACB=20on=20this.=20=20What=20does everyone=20think? =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20Thoughts=20on=20this? =20=20Chris =20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abi= lities=20 motto) =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20= in =20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20= How?=20Click =20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute: =20www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.= N. =20Foundation. =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20----=20Original=20Message=20------ =20From:=20"joe=20harcz=20Comcast"=20 ---- Original Message ------ From: "Sherri" You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users of the BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding the BN and ask questions when they're having technical problems. Here's the link: www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. In the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question to the BN list and forward you any responses off list. Hope this helps! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" Hi, OK, my thoughts. They are, at the moment, each other's competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment anyway, I doubt it. Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: Thoughts on this? Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "joe harcz Comcast" References: <4e18a391.83d6e60a.4932.ffff9cf8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, there is no Download button on Web Braille. Instead, when you are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s on your Braille Note and you will be prompted for where you would like to save the file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves each braille volume of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do this multiple times if you are dealing with a book that is in more than one volume. I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find it a great resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare more in the past few years for pleasure reading since it has a much larger, more current collection. Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong on your end-- It might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest contacting your state NLS library again and see if they can get you some sort of technical support contact info. Someone from the central program that administers the Web Braille service might need to look into your situation. Hope this helps! Katie On 7/10/11, Lea williams wrote: > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log in it says my user > name and password is wrong. I have called and gotten it changed three > times and it still says it. wonder what I am doing wrong. > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille users! I recently >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking forward to all it has >> to offer. But I do have this question: when I click on a link >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, or something where I >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my BrailleNote? I tried to >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together last night, and when >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the actual book to read >> online, but I wanted to download the book to read it in my >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later date. How can I do this? >> Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jul 11 00:46:14 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites Message-ID: Hi all, I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need sighted help to post photos? What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. I figured blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. What site can you write like a journal about yourself? Thanks. Ashley From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Jul 11 00:50:08 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ashley: Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? I've found an accessible one. V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have it.) To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. Blessings, Joshua On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jul 11 01:42:30 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joshua, What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss something common? Is that how a forum differs from a blog? This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things I wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd like the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites Ashley: Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? I've found an accessible one. V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have it.) To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. Blessings, Joshua On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Jul 11 01:52:18 2011 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National Convention Message-ID: Hello All, I have done my best to thank everyone individually for the help they have provided me over the past week. However, I thought I would also send out a general message to thank anyone I may have missed along the way. My convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to go, but it was exactly what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on such a public email list. Since the last time I checked the messages on this list was before convention, it is quite possible that someone may have already said what happened, or at least their version of the story. However, I have already shared my version of the story about a million times by now, so if you are curious as to what happened, you will just have to wait for another time. The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I just wanted to show my appreciation to those who may have helped me along the way. Thanks, Elizabeth From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Jul 11 02:22:03 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes. Are you familiar with the beap baseball? I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. Blessings, Joshua On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From amylsabo at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 04:50:20 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem Message-ID: <1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello all, i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! hugs, amy From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 06:35:34 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem In-Reply-To: <1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE@HumbertoAvila> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) was about 2 years ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by the way, it was the FS cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it is inaccessible with JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you using? Which operating system? Which version of aim? Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem hello all, i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! hugs, amy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Mon Jul 11 12:50:05 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale Message-ID: > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >Thanks, > >Brian From revacanti at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 19:28:30 2011 From: revacanti at gmail.com (Rachael Vacanti) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:28:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: I agree with Chris and Sherri. I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't leave until the next Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun right? Wrong. I didn't get out of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the beach, Citywalk and Bubba Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? Because there were too many things to do at convention. Convention was awesome and I had a great time, but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit more. I looked at the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't "required". General sessions didn't start until Wendsday. One thing I think might also help convention, is if they announce the state cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it once and I don't think he even told me where it was. The states should get them sorted out before convention and email their state this is when and where it is. I know that not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but they did a very good job. For my first time, it was pretty good. Rachael On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > 2. Re: question about brail to word program? (Chris Nusbaum) > 3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi > (Josh Gregory) > 4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille (Katie Wang) > 5. accessible blog and journal sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 6. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (Joshua Lester) > 7. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 8. Thanks for the Help at National Convention (Elizabeth) > 9. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (Joshua Lester) > 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: NABS list , NFBMD list , > NFB > history list > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Sherri" Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > It was announced at the convention that conventions from 2013 > through 2017 > will be held in Orlando. I wish we could extend the length of > the convention > back to how it was and NFB would > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon. That way, people could > get excited > about Orlando and have time to go places. I liked the old > schedule much > better. If we are going to keep people here for five years in a > row, we need > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of all there is > to do in > Orlando. Besides, I like the banquet the night before the last > day of > convention. > > > Sherri Brun > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other > plans." John > Lennon > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > NFBF Newsline? chair > www.nfbnewsline.org > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > http://nfbfgoc.org > Secretary FDCP INC > www.fdcp.org > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindtlk: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users of the > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding the BN and > ask questions when they're having technical problems. Here's the > link: www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. In > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question to the BN > list and forward you any responses off list. Hope this helps! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native format > documents into word > documents. If you want to do so, you will have to use your > Braille note to > do it because there is no program that will translate and convert > Keyword > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word (.doc) > documents, unless > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, and then use > a program > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you will need > Duxbury > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the license if you > don't > already have it--you can although try it for free but some > functions will be > disabled) > I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to send another > message off list > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this is good > practice for > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching assistive > technology. > Cheers, Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Andi > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to ask. I use to > use my brail > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was wondering if > there is a > > program to change the files from the brail document to a word > document? > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the simpaler to > use the > better, but I still want it to do a good job. thank you so much > for your > help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable > Camera > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera Reading > System > to Support Touchscreen > for People with Low Vision > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, Inc. ( > www.gwmicro.com) > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.com) > are proud to announce the Readit Wand! The Readit Wand is a > portable > camera that > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read documents > for > the visually impaired. > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and more with > ease > using the Readit > Wand. Everything read with the Readit Wand will be read in a > clear, > human-sounding > voice. The ability to read all of these items makes Readit Wand > the > perfect tool > for the classroom, at home, or at work. > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects via USB. > The > 5-megapixel camera > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for recognition > in as > little as two > seconds. The stylish and compact Readit Wand allows for > automatic > multi-language > switching when other languages are installed. The portability > and > multiple language > support make it the ideal tool for students who are learning a > foreign language. > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software that > allows > you to save, load, > import, and export documents, including PDFs. Importing PDF > files > into the Readit > software enables users to read PDF files that originally are > inaccessible because > they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also allows you to > save > documents as > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your document as an > MP3 > file to listen > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy access > toolbar > designed specifically > for low vision users. The toolbar provides the ability to adjust > the > size of the > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to all the basic > controls enabling > low vision users to capture their document, change the view to > their > preference and > more at the click of a button. > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 different > types > of highlights, > as well as six different ways to display text, allowing low > vision > users to customize > the software to their personal preference. > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit Wand is the > first > portable camera > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision users the > ability > to interact > with the software by simply using their fingers! This means no > more > tracking the > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the user and > the > Readit software, > creating the best possible user experience. > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the Readit Wand > in > the U.S., developed > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located in the > UK. Readit Wand will > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > www.gwmicro.com, > email > sales at gwmicro.com > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > GW Micro, Inc. ( > www.gwmicro.com) > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry > since 1990, > and > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.com), > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, effective > and > simple to use > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind that make > reading a pleasure > once again. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. > dempsey%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > t.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > From: Josh Gregory > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day > in mi > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > OK, my thoughts. They are, at the moment, each other's > competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment anyway, I doubt > it. > Best, > Josh > > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this > day in mi > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to ensure > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the Help > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work jointly > with ACB on this. What does > everyone think? > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this > day in mi > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Thoughts on this? > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "joe harcz Comcast" Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi > Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > A Call to Action ? > > Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters with Disabilities > Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > A Public Report on > Polling Place > > Accessibility in Michigan > > Public Report by > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > 2011 > > Acknowledgements > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) is Michigan? > designated agency to advocate and protect the legal rights of > persons with disabilities, mandated > by federal and state law. MPAS receives funding from the > Administration on Developmental Disabilities, the center for > Mental Health Services ?Substance > Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the > Rehabilitation Services Administration, the Social Security > Administration, the State of Michigan > and from private donations. > > Funding for this report has been made possible through the U.S. > Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for > Children and Families, and the > Administration on Developmental Disabilities. The contents are > the sole responsibility of the author and do not necessarily > represent the official views > of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. > > 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. This > publication may be reproduced in part or in its entirety for > noncommercial purposes as long > as appropriate credit is given. > > Table of Contents > > Executive > > Summary.......................................................... > ...................................................5 > > Midterm > > Report........................................................... > .........................................................6 > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > Project.......................................................... > .........7 > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election > Officials......................................10 > > Next > > Steps............................................................ > ..............................................................11 > > In > > Summary.......................................................... > ..............................................................11 > > Accessibility Rate Per > > County........................................................... > ................................13 > > Executive Summary > > In Michigan, voters with disabilities face obstacles at voting > locations often because their polling place lacks physical > accessibility. The Help America > Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique obstacles faced by > voters > with disabilities and authorized funding for the federally > mandated Protection and Advocacy > Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove barriers. > Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been targeted for > elimination in the President? proposed > 2012 budget. > > HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, (MPAS), > and other Protection & Advocacy agencies with helping to ensure > the full participation of > individuals with disabilities in the electoral process, > including > registering to vote, casting a ballot, and accessing polling > places. > > The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure that every > eligible Michigan resident receives equal access to their > polling > location and has the opportunity > to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS staff members are on > the ground providing advice, technical assistance, and training > to election officials about > voting accessibility across the spectrum of disabilities. The > agency also provides outreach and training to voters with > disabilities, poll workers, and > service providers. MPAS and the Secretary of State of Michigan > partnered over the past six years working toward this goal, > which > has been effective in > increasing physical access to polling locations throughout > Michigan. > > Voting is a fundamental right protected by the United States > Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and subject to intense > public scrutiny each election > cycle. Provisions within these protections prohibit > discrimination against people with disabilities in the electoral > process. Exercising their Constitutional > right, however, has continued to be a challenge for individuals > with disabilities despite changes made to federal and state laws > intended to ensure full > participation. > > Key Summary > > ? Disability advocates have visited 95% (3,457) and > reviewed the exterior of polling locations in Michigan. > > ? Upon initial review, Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan polling places > were > compliant under the Americans > with Disabilities Act. > > ? After working with state and local officials, it is > anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate will be increased > to 90% in 2012. > > ? Of the locations that were inaccessible, 60% had one > barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% had three or more > types of barriers. > > ? Only six of the 84 counties in Michigan were 100% > physically accessible upon initial visit. > > ? MPAS continues to receive complaints regarding the > AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking device. > > Michigan has made great strides toward accessibility at the > polls. This report will highlight the steps taken to ensure > that > all polling locations throughout > Michigan are accessible to voters with disabilities. In > addition, the report will offer recommendations for Michigan to > achieve and maintain an accessibility > rate of 100%. > > 2010 Mid Term Report > > Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout the country, > Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) in 2002. HAVA > included sweeping legislation > intended to modernize the electoral system for all voters, > including those with disabilities. The Help America Vote Act > reinforced the application of > Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act and Section 504 > of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in 2004, Michigan > lawmakers amended Michigan election > law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the removal of physical > barriers at polling locations. Irrespective of both federal and > state law, 25% of Michigan's > voting locations continued to be inaccessible for the November > 2010 general election. To achieve an all-encompassing voting > standard for the fifty states, > HAVA included two key components for the disability community: > > ? All polling places must have at least one voting system > which allows all citizens to cast a ballot privately and > independently, whether or not one > has a disability. > > ? States must ensure accessibility at all public polling > places in a manner compliant with the Americans with > Disabilities > Act (ADA). > > Accessible Voting System > > In 2004, the disability community and the Michigan Secretary of > State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully assessing which > accessible device would best > fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 selected the > AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible ballot marking device > that can be used by all voters > with or without disabilities. > > Although every polling location is equipped with the AutoMARK, > each municipality is responsible for making sure it is set up > and > operating properly. Unfortunately, > MPAS continues to receive complaints about the AutoMARK. Voter > complaints have included the following: the AutoMARK was boxed > up on Election Day, unplugged, > jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters could see the > ?ecret?ballot. Complaints concerning jammed ballots have been > greatly reduced since the > last round of updates were completed. Because the AutoMARK is > used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter feedback to > correct these kinds of problems. > MPAS continues to monitor and respond to complaints as they > arise. > > Accessible Polling Places > > Under HAVA, the federal government allocated money to assist > with > the purchase of accessible equipment like the AutoMARK, but also > to help municipalities > make their polling places physically accessible. Congress > recognized that in order for people to use the accessible voting > machines, the building must > also be accessible so voters can access the polling location and > voting equipment. It is the local election officials? > responsibility to make sure all > polling locations are accessible on Election Day. To help cover > the expense for removing barriers at polling locations, the > Michigan BOE administers a > grant program called Access for All, under the U.S. Department > of Health and Human Services with funding allocated through > HAVA, > to help the state comply > with HAVA. In most circumstances, the Access for All grants > cover all costs associated with accessibility upgrades for > polling locations. > > When Michigan? State Plan to implement provisions under HAVA > was > initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were required to complete an > accessibility checklist > to determine whether or not their locations were accessible. > This was one of the state? first attempts to gather information > on Michigan? polling place > accessibility. During this time, MPAS and other organizations > were working closely with individual election officials on > polling location reviews and > were also training the municipal clerks on the accessibility > requirements. MPAS also spent a considerable amount of time > assisting clerks with assessing > the accessibility of their polling locations and helping them > apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS found that the > accessibility data provided by > clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly reliable. > > MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? (BOE) attention > and > shared independent accessibility reviews with them. The BOE has > since increased efforts > to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving communication > and requiring additional documentation from the clerks. > > In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal polling locations > randomly, without notifying the election official in advance. > After compiling this data on > polling locations statewide, the systemic issue of > inaccessibility became a heightened concern. Once these > concerns > were communicated to the Bureau of > Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 dramatically > increasing their involvement in the advancement of polling place > accessibility. > > This same year, the federal government began reviewing how the > states were spending HAVA funds. This fueled speculation that > the federal government would > eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since some states had > not spent their money, rather placing it in an account and > allowing the funds to gain > interest. Concerned that Congress would pull the allocated > funds > completely, which would prevent municipalities from accessing > money to make polling places > accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau of Elections, > embarked on a project to ensure 100% accessibility at all > Michigan polling places. > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > In 2010, Michigan started building the framework of a statewide > plan to reach 100% polling place accessibility. MPAS and the > Bureau of Elections strengthened > their partnership in order to achieve this goal. Within this > plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all locations throughout > the state. Michigan has > approximately 3,600 polling places in total. MPAS had already > gathered information on 530 polling places prior to 2010, > therefore, did not revisit those > locations (some were initially accessible and others MPAS worked > closely with clerks to improve accessibility. MPAS is still > working with clerks to bring > the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations into compliance). > MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 polling locations in > 2010. > > Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at least 95% of the > polling places in Michigan. > > The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed nearly 25% of the > polling places that remained physically inaccessible as required > by the Americans with > Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, 2,927 were assessed > between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG as a benchmark to > determine physical accessibility, > over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 locations visited, > had physical barriers failing to comply with the ADAAG ? > barriers > that create potential > difficulties to voters with disabilities on Election Day. > > Barriers can prevent people with disabilities from fully > participating in all aspects of society because of their > disability. This might include architectural > barriers, physical barriers, communication barriers, attitudinal > barriers, cultural barriers, etc. Throughout this project, > MPAS? > reviews focused primarily > on physical and external barriers, which are defined as > something > material that blocks passage. Physical barriers addressed in > this report include objects > in the environment such as inaccessible doors or doorways, > inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, inaccessible door > hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in 2010, 28% did not > meet accessibility standards. Based on discussions with the BOE > in 2008, when MPAS completed > the unannounced visits, clerks were not only notified with a > letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but they were also > notified by the Bureau of Elections. > MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the municipalities > plans to meet ADA requirements. The letters contained a > photograph of the problem area(s), > along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. Within a five month > period, letters were sent to over 440 municipalities concerning > approximately 800 polling > locations. > > As shown below, 28% of the polling places visited in 2010 had > some type of physical barrier present at the time of review. > > The following chart highlights the most common number of > physical > barriers discovered at each location. > > A majority of the locations reviewed had only one physical > barrier present. While the largest and most frequent problem > was > related to parking, the types > of barriers at each location varied as shown in the following > chart. > > Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had accessible parking > but no signs posted Parking: locations that had no parking > designated or noncompliant access > aisles Pathway: barriers that existed between access aisles > and > entryway Entrance: problems such as door width, door > thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, ramps, handrails, > thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election Officials > > After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS notified municipal > clerks of locations where barriers were discovered. Within a > four-month period, over 440 > letters were sent to election officials. By the end of 2010, > 88% > of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a plan of > correction. > In addition, MPAS > provided technical assistance to the election officials on how > to > improve access to their polling location in order to come into > compliance. Based on > the responses received from clerks, 43% informed us they were > would make the changes required; 31% corrected the barriers at > the polling locations; 9% > were going to apply for Access for All grant; and the remaining > responses varied from clerk using temporary equipment. > > When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was completed, MPAS > required documentation from each clerk proving or stating that > the work had been completed, > including photographs and/or copies of purchase orders. A > majority of the clerks responded either with a plan of > correction > for spring 2011 or with a > statement that the work was completed. MPAS is still waiting > for > some clerks to confirm that the work was done sufficiently. > Once > the removal of barriers > at these locations has been verified, MPAS expects Michigan? > polling place accessibility rate to rise to nearly 90 % ?-- > one of the highest in the nation. > There remains, however, substantial work to be completed in the > city of Detroit in order to reach this goal. The remaining 12% > of clerks, who did not respond > to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of correction, > will > become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% accessibility. > > NEXT STEPS > > While the focus of this report has been on reaching the 90% > accessibility rate, there would still be approximately 10% of > polling locations in Michigan > that are not accessible to all voters. Some clerks disagree > with > the findings and MPAS is working with those clerks. > > In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of polling locations > that are still recorded as being inaccessible, breaking them > into > three categories: failure > to communicate; work promised but documentation still needed; > and > locations requiring review by MPAS. > > MPAS will focus attention on election officials who have failed > to respond to MPAS communication attempts. This may involve > revisiting the location (some > clerks correct the problem even when they fail to respond), > attending city council/township meetings, filing official HAVA > complaints, and/or pursuing > legal action under different funding sources. MPAS?goal has > always been to educate clerks and assist them with improving > access first by proposing solutions > to removing barriers. > > In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to monitoring the > correction plans that election officials have submitted to > ensure > that barriers are removed. > MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling locations that have > not been visited yet. > > In Summary > > Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership between MPAS and > the > Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was crucial. The state > reinforced the necessity of > accessible elections. They followed up with each municipality > whose polling place was noted as being inaccessible in order to > determine the jurisdiction's > planned course of action. In addition, the BOE coordinated and > extended Michigan's polling place improvement grant well into > the > fall to assist municipalities > in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > Local election officials can either upgrade their polling places > (with or without grant funds), or relocate the polling place to > an accessible site. The > Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 project, they > have seen a large increase in the number of municipalities > applying for grant money. In > an effort to assist with the project, the BOE extended the > typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks additional > opportunity to respond to MPAS? > letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant funds. The > Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant applications, the > largest amount ever received > in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant applications, 66 > applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a plan of > correction - 89% of those who applied. > A large number of municipalities have pledged to apply when the > next grant period opens in early 2011. > > If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? proposed > budget > cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the partnership with the > Secretary of State, ensuring > all elections are accessible to all voters. Additionally, MPAS > encourages clerks to reach out to local disability groups for > future trainings. Listed > below are additional recommendations moving forward. > > Summary/Recommendations: > > ? Local clerks must be required to notify the Bureau of > Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > ? Accessibility checks should be completed when clerks > change polling locations, to verify accessibility. Reports > (with > photographs) should be submitted > to the Bureau of Elections. > > ? New polling locations must be required to adhere to the > Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility Guidelines. > > ? The advisory committee in charge of amending the State > Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify ways to hold > clerks accountable and implement > model oversight programs. > > ? Access for All grant money should be available > throughout > the year, so accessibility problems can be addressed anytime > they > arise. > > ? The Bureau of Elections and local clerks should continue > working with disability advocacy organizations to complete > year-round polling place accessibility > audits and training to clerks. > > Accessibility Rate by County > > Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > County > > Polling Locations > > Visited > > Accessible > > Barriers Discovered > > Percent Visited > > % Accessible of those Visited > > Now Complete > > % Now Accessible > > Alcona > > 12 > > 12 > > 8 > > 4 > > 100% > > 67% > > 3 > > 92% > > Alger > > 10 > > 10 > > 5 > > 5 > > 100% > > 50% > > 5 > > 100% > > Allegan > > 37 > > 37 > > 35 > > 2 > > 100% > > 95% > > 1 > > 97% > > Alpena > > 15 > > 15 > > 8 > > 7 > > 100% > > 53% > > 1 > > 60% > > Antrim > > 15 > > 15 > > 9 > > 6 > > 100% > > 60% > > 2 > > 73% > > Arenac > > 14 > > 14 > > 10 > > 4 > > 100% > > 71% > > 3 > > 93% > > Baraga > > 8 > > 6 > > 1 > > 5 > > 75% > > 17% > > 1 > > 33% > > Barry > > 23 > > 23 > > 18 > > 5 > > 100% > > 78% > > 1 > > 83% > > Bay > > 49 > > 48 > > 36 > > 12 > > 98% > > 75% > > 1 > > 77% > > Benzie > > 13 > > 13 > > 6 > > 7 > > 100% > > 46% > > 4 > > 77% > > Berrien > > 57 > > 57 > > 43 > > 14 > > 100% > > 75% > > 8 > > 89% > > Branch > > 18 > > 17 > > 9 > > 8 > > 94% > > 53% > > 6 > > 88% > > Calhoun > > 46 > > 43 > > 34 > > 9 > > 93% > > 79% > > 3 > > 86% > > Cass > > 19 > > 19 > > 12 > > 7 > > 100% > > 63% > > 6 > > 95% > > Charlevoix > > 18 > > 16 > > 10 > > 6 > > 89% > > 63% > > 1 > > 69% > > Cheboygan > > 20 > > 20 > > 14 > > 6 > > 100% > > 70% > > 5 > > 95% > > Chippewa > > 19 > > 18 > > 13 > > 5 > > 95% > > 72% > > 4 > > 94% > > Clare > > 19 > > 16 > > 13 > > 3 > > 84% > > 81% > > 2 > > 94% > > Clinton > > 28 > > 26 > > 24 > > 2 > > 93% > > 92% > > 1 > > 96% > > Crawford > > 7 > > 7 > > 6 > > 1 > > 100% > > 86% > > 0 > > 86% > > Delta > > 21 > > 20 > > 11 > > 9 > > 95% > > 55% > > 1 > > 60% > > Dickinson > > 15 > > 15 > > 6 > > 9 > > 100% > > 40% > > 5 > > 73% > > Eaton > > 36 > > 36 > > 28 > > 8 > > 100% > > 78% > > 2 > > 83% > > Emmet > > 19 > > 19 > > 12 > > 7 > > 100% > > 63% > > 5 > > 89% > > Genesee > > 119 > > 109 > > 84 > > 25 > > 92% > > 77% > > 2 > > 79% > > Gladwin > > 17 > > 17 > > 11 > > 6 > > 100% > > 65% > > 1 > > 71% > > Gogebic > > 10 > > 10 > > 7 > > 3 > > 100% > > 70% > > 2 > > 90% > > Grand Traverse > > 28 > > 27 > > 27 > > 0 > > 96% > > 100% > > 0 > > 100% > > Gratiot > > 23 > > 23 > > 16 > > 7 > > 100% > > 70% > > 2 > > 78% > > Hillsdale > > 21 > > 21 > > 12 > > 9 > > 100% > > 57% > > 3 > > 71% > > Houghton > > 31 > > 22 > > 9 > > 13 > > 71% > > 41% > > 5 > > 64% > > Huron > > 30 > > 29 > > 18 > > 11 > > 97% > > 62% > > 5 > > 79% > > Ingham > > 95 > > 81 > > 78 > > 3 > > 85% > > 96% > > 0 > > 96% > > Ionia > > 22 > > 22 > > 17 > > 5 > > 100% > > 77% > > 1 > > 82% > > Iosco > > 15 > > 15 > > 14 > > 1 > > 100% > > 93% > > 1 > > 100% > > Iron > > 12 > > 12 > > 6 > > 6 > > 100% > > 50% > > 2 > > 67% > > Isabella > > 25 > > 25 > > 19 > > 6 > > 100% > > 76% > > 1 > > 80% > > Jackson > > 47 > > 45 > > 34 > > 11 > > 96% > > 76% > > 2 > > 80% > > Kalamazoo > > 97 > > 97 > > 79 > > 18 > > 100% > > 81% > > 7 > > 89% > > Kalkaska > > 12 > > 12 > > 8 > > 4 > > 100% > > 67% > > 1 > > 75% > > Kent > > 209 > > 207 > > 174 > > 33 > > 99% > > 84% > > 11 > > 89% > > Keweenaw > > 5 > > 4 > > 4 > > 0 > > 80% > > 100% > > 0 > > 100% > > Lake > > 15 > > 15 > > 8 > > 7 > > 100% > > 53% > > 2 > > 67% > > Lapeer > > 24 > > 24 > > 20 > > 4 > > 100% > > 83% > > 2 > > 92% > > Leelanau > > 13 > > 13 > > 8 > > 5 > > 100% > > 62% > > 1 > > 69% > > Lenawee > > 30 > > 30 > > 23 > > 7 > > 100% > > 77% > > 4 > > 90% > > Livingston > > 48 > > 45 > > 35 > > 10 > > 94% > > 78% > > 0 > > 78% > > Luce > > 4 > > 4 > > 3 > > 1 > > 100% > > 75% > > 0 > > 75% > > Mackinac > > 13 > > 10 > > 5 > > 5 > > 77% > > 50% > > 1 > > 60% > > Macomb > > 235 > > 233 > > 188 > > 45 > > 99% > > 81% > > 17 > > 88% > > Manistee > > 15 > > 15 > > 11 > > 4 > > 100% > > 73% > > 3 > > 93% > > Marquette > > 29 > > 29 > > 16 > > 13 > > 100% > > 55% > > 1 > > 59% > > Mason > > 23 > > 23 > > 15 > > 8 > > 100% > > 65% > > 3 > > 78% > > Mecosta > > 22 > > 22 > > 18 > > 4 > > 100% > > 82% > > 1 > > 86% > > Menominee > > 16 > > 14 > > 8 > > 6 > > 88% > > 57% > > 0 > > 57% > > Midland > > 38 > > 29 > > 22 > > 7 > > 76% > > 76% > > 4 > > 90% > > Missaukee > > 17 > > 17 > > 14 > > 3 > > 100% > > 82% > > 3 > > 100% > > Monroe > > 42 > > 36 > > 27 > > 9 > > 86% > > 75% > > 5 > > 89% > > Montcalm > > 26 > > 25 > > 21 > > 4 > > 96% > > 84% > > 2 > > 92% > > Montmorency > > 9 > > 9 > > 7 > > 2 > > 100% > > 78% > > 1 > > 89% > > Muskegon > > 72 > > 71 > > 68 > > 3 > > 99% > > 96% > > 2 > > 99% > > Newaygo > > 28 > > 28 > > 22 > > 6 > > 100% > > 79% > > 3 > > 89% > > Oakland > > 410 > > 380 > > 292 > > 88 > > 93% > > 77% > > 46 > > 89% > > Oceana > > 18 > > 18 > > 12 > > 6 > > 100% > > 67% > > 0 > > 67% > > Ogemaw > > 16 > > 16 > > 10 > > 6 > > 100% > > 63% > > 5 > > 94% > > Ontonagon > > 14 > > 10 > > 3 > > 7 > > 71% > > 30% > > 0 > > 30% > > Osceola > > 18 > > 18 > > 14 > > 4 > > 100% > > 78% > > 2 > > 89% > > Oscoda > > 6 > > 6 > > 4 > > 2 > > 100% > > 67% > > 1 > > 83% > > Otsego > > 10 > > 10 > > 7 > > 3 > > 100% > > 70% > > 2 > > 90% > > Ottawa > > 88 > > 88 > > 79 > > 9 > > 100% > > 90% > > 5 > > 95% > > Presque Isle > > 16 > > 16 > > 10 > > 6 > > 100% > > 63% > > 3 > > 81% > > Roscommon > > 11 > > 11 > > 11 > > 0 > > 100% > > 100% > > 0 > > 100% > > Saginaw > > 75 > > 75 > > 61 > > 14 > > 100% > > 81% > > 8 > > 92% > > Sanilac > > 30 > > 30 > > 26 > > 4 > > 100% > > 87% > > 3 > > 97% > > Schoolcraft > > 10 > > 10 > > 6 > > 4 > > 100% > > 60% > > 2 > > 80% > > Shiawassee > > 27 > > 27 > > 17 > > 10 > > 100% > > 63% > > 3 > > 74% > > St. Clair > > 52 > > 48 > > 44 > > 4 > > 92% > > 92% > > 3 > > 98% > > St. Joseph > > 17 > > 17 > > 12 > > 5 > > 100% > > 71% > > 2 > > 82% > > Tuscola > > 25 > > 24 > > 16 > > 8 > > 96% > > 67% > > 2 > > 75% > > Van Buren > > 23 > > 22 > > 19 > > 3 > > 96% > > 86% > > 1 > > 91% > > Washtenaw > > 106 > > 100 > > 70 > > 30 > > 94% > > 70% > > 0 > > 70% > > Wayne > > 568 > > 519 > > 325 > > 194 > > 91% > > 63% > > 28 > > 68% > > Wexford > > 20 > > 20 > > 14 > > 6 > > 100% > > 70% > > 1 > > 75% > > Total > > 3635 > > 3457 > > 2579 > > 878 > > 95.10% > > 74.60% > > 289 > > 83% > > table end > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > From: Katie Wang > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Chris, there is no Download button on Web Braille. Instead, when you > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s on your Braille > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like to save the > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves each braille volume > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do this multiple > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more than one volume. > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find it a great > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare more in the past > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much larger, more > current collection. > Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong on your end-- It > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest contacting your state > NLS library again and see if they can get you some sort of technical > support contact info. Someone from the central program that > administers the Web Braille service might need to look into your > situation. > Hope this helps! > Katie > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams wrote: > > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log in it says my user > > name and password is wrong. I have called and gotten it changed three > > times and it still says it. wonder what I am doing wrong. > > > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille users! I recently > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking forward to all it has > >> to offer. But I do have this question: when I click on a link > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, or something where I > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my BrailleNote? I tried to > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together last night, and when > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the actual book to read > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to read it in my > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later date. How can I do this? > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > >> > >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > >> Foundation. > >> > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > > > Phone; > > 704-732-4470 > > Skipe; > > Lea.williams738 > > Facebook > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > > person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need > sighted > > help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > > opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > > person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need > sighted > > help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > > opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > From: Elizabeth > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National Convention > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello All, > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for the help they have > provided me over the past week. However, I thought I would also send out a > general message to thank anyone I may have missed along the way. My > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to go, but it was exactly > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on such a public email > list. > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this list was before > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have already said what > happened, or at least their version of the story. However, I have already > shared my version of the story about a million times by now, so if you are > curious as to what happened, you will just have to wait for another time. > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I just wanted to show > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along the way. > > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Yes. > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Joshua, > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss > something > > common? > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things > I > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd > like > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still > have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > >> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > >> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > >> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need > sighted > >> help to post photos? > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > >> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > >> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > >> > >> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Ashley > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: Amy Sabo > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , > "OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > < > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) was about 2 years > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by the way, it was the > FS > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it is inaccessible with > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you using? Which > operating system? Which version of aim? > Cheers, Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Amy Sabo > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO > ASSOCIATION > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > >Thanks, > > > >Brian > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > ************************************** > From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 19:36:31 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1310412991.9649.YahooMailClassic@web162020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six years. --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > I agree with Chris and Sherri.  > I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point.  I flew down Saturday and didn't > leave until the next > Saturday.  You think I'd have time for fun > right?  Wrong.  I didn't get out > of the hotel once.  I meant to go places, like the > beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.  Why?  > Because there were too many > things to do at convention.  Convention was awesome > and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > more.  I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > "required".  General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > announce the state > cacus.  I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > once and I don't think > he even told me where it was.  The states should get > them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where it > is.  I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > they did a very good > job.  For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: > > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > >        nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > >        http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > >        nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > >        nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >   1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > >   2. Re: question about brail to word > program? (Chris Nusbaum) > >   3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day in mi > >      (Josh Gregory) > >   4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille > (Katie Wang) > >   5. accessible blog and journal sites > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > >   6. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > >   7. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > >   8. Thanks for the Help at National > Convention (Elizabeth) > >   9. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > >  10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > >  11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > >  12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: NABS list , > NFBMD list , > > NFB > >        history list > > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > 5 years > > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > > > > >  ---- Original Message ------ > > From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > > > It was announced at the convention that conventions > from 2013 > > through 2017 > > will be held in Orlando.  I wish we could extend > the length of > > the convention > > back to how it was and NFB would > > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.  That > way, people could > > get excited > > about Orlando and have time to go places.  I > liked the old > > schedule much > > better.  If we are going to keep people here for > five years in a > > row, we need > > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > all there is > > to do in > > Orlando.  Besides, I like the banquet the night > before the last > > day of > > convention. > > > > > > Sherri Brun > > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other > > plans." John > > Lennon > > > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > >  NFBF Newsline? chair > > www.nfbnewsline.org > > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > > http://nfbfgoc.org > > Secretary FDCP INC > > www.fdcp.org > > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindtlk mailing list > > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for blindtlk: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >        list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > of the > > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > the BN and > > ask questions when they're having technical > problems.  Here's the > > link: > www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote.  > In > > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > to the BN > > list and forward you any responses off list.  > Hope this helps! > > > >  Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > >  Sent from my BrailleNote > > > >  ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > format > > documents into word > > documents.  If you want to do so, you will have > to use your > > Braille note to > > do it because there is no program that will translate > and convert > > Keyword > > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > (.doc) > > documents, unless > > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > and then use > > a program > > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > will need > > Duxbury > > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > license if you > > don't > > already have it--you can although try it for free but > some > > functions will be > > disabled) > > I hope this was helpful to you.  Feel free to > send another > > message off list > > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > is good > > practice for > > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > assistive > > technology. > > Cheers,  Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > > Of Andi > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > ask.  I use to > > use my brail > > > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > wondering if > > there is a > > > > program to change the files from the brail document to > a word > > document? > > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > simpaler to > > use the > > better, but I still want it to do a good job.  > thank you so much > > for your > > help. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Andrews > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > First Portable > > Camera > > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > Reading > > System > > to Support Touchscreen > > for People with Low Vision > > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > Inc.  ( > > www.gwmicro.com) > > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > > www.visionaid-international.com) > > are proud to announce the Readit Wand!  The > Readit Wand is a > > portable > > camera that > > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read > documents > > for > > the visually impaired. > > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and > more with > > ease > > using the Readit > > Wand.  Everything read with the Readit Wand will > be read in a > > clear, > > human-sounding > > voice.  The ability to read all of these items > makes Readit Wand > > the > > perfect tool > > for the classroom, at home, or at work. > > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects > via USB. > > The > > 5-megapixel camera > > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for > recognition > > in as > > little as two > > seconds.  The stylish and compact Readit Wand > allows for > > automatic > > multi-language > > switching when other languages are installed.  > The portability > > and > > multiple language > > support make it the ideal tool for students who are > learning a > > foreign language. > > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > that > > allows > > you to save, load, > > import, and export documents, including PDFs.  > Importing PDF > > files > > into the Readit > > software enables users to read PDF files that > originally are > > inaccessible because > > they are displayed as graphics.  Readit Wand also > allows you to > > save > > documents as > > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > document as an > > MP3 > > file to listen > > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > access > > toolbar > > designed specifically > > for low vision users.  The toolbar provides the > ability to adjust > > the > > size of the > > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > all the basic > > controls enabling > > low vision users to capture their document, change the > view to > > their > > preference and > > more at the click of a button. > > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > different > > types > > of highlights, > > as well as six different ways to display text, > allowing low > > vision > > users to customize > > the software to their personal preference. > > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > Wand is the > > first > > portable camera > > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > users the > > ability > > to interact > > with the software by simply using their fingers!  > This means no > > more > > tracking the > > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > user and > > the > > Readit software, > > creating the best possible user experience. > > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > Readit Wand > > in > > the U.S., developed > > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > in the > > UK.  Readit Wand will > > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > > www.gwmicro.com, > > email > > sales at gwmicro.com > > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > > GW Micro, Inc.  ( > > www.gwmicro.com) > > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > industry > > since 1990, > > and > > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > > www.visionaid-international.com), > > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > effective > > and > > simple to use > > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > that make > > reading a pleasure > > once again. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. > > dempsey%40g > > mail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > > t.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > > From: Josh Gregory > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >        list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day > >        in mi > > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > Hi, > > OK, my thoughts.  They are, at the moment, each > other's > > competetors/enemies/whatever.  So, at the moment > anyway, I doubt > > it. > > Best, > > Josh > > > > sent from my Apex > > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > > >  ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > ensure > > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > Help > > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > jointly > > with ACB on this.  What does > > everyone think? > >  Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > >  Sent from my BrailleNote > > > >  ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > >  Thoughts on this? > > > >  Chris > > > >  "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities > > motto) > > > >  The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > >  Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > can!" How? Click > >  on this link to learn more and to contribute: > >  www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > at I C.A.N. > >  Foundation. > > > > > > > >  Sent from my BrailleNote > > > >  ---- Original Message ------ > >  From: "joe harcz Comcast" >  Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > this day in mi > >  Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > > >  A Call to Action ? > > > >  Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > with Disabilities > >  Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > > >  A Public Report on > >  Polling Place > > > >  Accessibility in Michigan > > > >  Public Report by > > > >  Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > > >  2011 > > > >  Acknowledgements > > > >  Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > is Michigan? > >  designated agency to advocate and protect the > legal rights of > >  persons with disabilities, mandated > >  by federal and state law.  MPAS receives > funding from the > >  Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > the center for > >  Mental Health Services ?Substance > >  Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > the > >  Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > Social Security > >  Administration, the State of Michigan > >  and from private donations. > > > >  Funding for this report has been made possible > through the U.S. > >  Department of Health and Human Services, > Administration for > >  Children and Families, and the > >  Administration on Developmental > Disabilities.  The contents are > >  the sole responsibility of the author and do not > necessarily > >  represent the official views > >  of the U.S.  Department of Health and Human > Services. > > > >  2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, Inc.  This > >  publication may be reproduced in part or in its > entirety for > >  noncommercial purposes as long > >  as appropriate credit is given. > > > >  Table of Contents > > > >  Executive > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > >  > ...................................................5 > > > >  Midterm > > > > > Report........................................................... > >  > .........................................................6 > > > >  Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > > > > Project.......................................................... > >  .........7 > > > >  Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election > >  > Officials......................................10 > > > >  Next > > > > > Steps............................................................ > >  > ..............................................................11 > > > >  In > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > >  > ..............................................................11 > > > >  Accessibility Rate Per > > > > > County........................................................... > >  ................................13 > > > >  Executive Summary > > > >  In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > obstacles at voting > >  locations often because their polling place > lacks physical > >  accessibility.  The Help America > >  Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > obstacles faced by > > voters > >  with disabilities and authorized funding for the > federally > >  mandated Protection and Advocacy > >  Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > barriers. > >  Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > targeted for > >  elimination in the President? proposed > >  2012 budget. > > > >  HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, (MPAS), > >  and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > with helping to ensure > >  the full participation of > >  individuals with disabilities in the electoral > process, > > including > >  registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > accessing polling > >  places. > > > >  The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > that every > >  eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > to their > > polling > >  location and has the opportunity > >  to cast an independent secret ballot.  MPAS > staff members are on > >  the ground providing advice, technical > assistance, and training > >  to election officials about > >  voting accessibility across the spectrum of > disabilities.  The > >  agency also provides outreach and training to > voters with > >  disabilities, poll workers, and > >  service providers.  MPAS and the Secretary > of State of Michigan > >  partnered over the past six years working toward > this goal, > > which > >  has been effective in > >  increasing physical access to polling locations > throughout > >  Michigan. > > > >  Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > United States > >  Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > subject to intense > >  public scrutiny each election > >  cycle.  Provisions within these protections > prohibit > >  discrimination against people with disabilities > in the electoral > >  process.  Exercising their Constitutional > >  right, however, has continued to be a challenge > for individuals > >  with disabilities despite changes made to > federal and state laws > >  intended to ensure full > >  participation. > > > >  Key Summary > > > >  ?     Disability advocates > have visited 95% (3,457) and > >  reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > Michigan. > > > >  ?     Upon initial review, > Michigan Protection and Advocacy > >  Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > polling places > > were > >  compliant under the Americans > >  with Disabilities Act. > > > >  ?     After working with > state and local officials, it is > >  anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > will be increased > >  to 90% in 2012. > > > >  ?     Of the locations that > were inaccessible, 60% had one > >  barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > had three or more > >  types of barriers. > > > >  ?     Only six of the 84 > counties in Michigan were 100% > >  physically accessible upon initial visit. > > > >  ?     MPAS continues to > receive complaints regarding the > >  AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > device. > > > >  Michigan has made great strides toward > accessibility at the > >  polls.  This report will highlight the > steps taken to ensure > > that > >  all polling locations throughout > >  Michigan are accessible to voters with > disabilities.  In > >  addition, the report will offer recommendations > for Michigan to > >  achieve and maintain an accessibility > >  rate of 100%. > > > >  2010 Mid Term Report > > > >  Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > the country, > >  Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > in 2002.  HAVA > >  included sweeping legislation > >  intended to modernize the electoral system for > all voters, > >  including those with disabilities.  The > Help America Vote Act > >  reinforced the application of > >  Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > and Section 504 > >  of the Rehabilitation Act.  Furthermore, in > 2004, Michigan > >  lawmakers amended Michigan election > >  law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > removal of physical > >  barriers at polling locations.  > Irrespective of both federal and > >  state law, 25% of Michigan's > >  voting locations continued to be inaccessible > for the November > >  2010 general election.  To achieve an > all-encompassing voting > >  standard for the fifty states, > >  HAVA included two key components for the > disability community: > > > >  ?     All polling places > must have at least one voting system > >  which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > privately and > >  independently, whether or not one > >  has a disability. > > > >  ?     States must ensure > accessibility at all public polling > >  places in a manner compliant with the Americans > with > > Disabilities > >  Act (ADA). > > > >  Accessible Voting System > > > >  In 2004, the disability community and the > Michigan Secretary of > >  State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > assessing which > >  accessible device would best > >  fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > selected the > >  AutoMARK.  The AutoMARK is an accessible > ballot marking device > >  that can be used by all voters > >  with or without disabilities. > > > >  Although every polling location is equipped with > the AutoMARK, > >  each municipality is responsible for making sure > it is set up > > and > >  operating properly.  Unfortunately, > >  MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > AutoMARK.  Voter > >  complaints have included the following:  > the AutoMARK was boxed > >  up on Election Day, unplugged, > >  jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > could see the > >  ?ecret?ballot.  Complaints concerning > jammed ballots have been > >  greatly reduced since the > >  last round of updates were completed.  > Because the AutoMARK is > >  used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > feedback to > >  correct these kinds of problems. > >  MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > complaints as they > >  arise. > > > >  Accessible Polling Places > > > >  Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > money to assist > > with > >  the purchase of accessible equipment like the > AutoMARK, but also > >  to help municipalities > >  make their polling places physically > accessible.  Congress > >  recognized that in order for people to use the > accessible voting > >  machines, the building must > >  also be accessible so voters can access the > polling location and > >  voting equipment.  It is the local election > officials? > >  responsibility to make sure all > >  polling locations are accessible on Election > Day.  To help cover > >  the expense for removing barriers at polling > locations, the > >  Michigan BOE administers a > >  grant program called Access for All, under the > U.S.  Department > >  of Health and Human Services with funding > allocated through > > HAVA, > >  to help the state comply > >  with HAVA.  In most circumstances, the > Access for All grants > >  cover all costs associated with accessibility > upgrades for > >  polling locations. > > > >  When Michigan? State Plan to implement > provisions under HAVA > > was > >  initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > required to complete an > >  accessibility checklist > >  to determine whether or not their locations were > accessible. > >  This was one of the state? first attempts to > gather information > >  on Michigan? polling place > >  accessibility.  During this time, MPAS and > other organizations > >  were working closely with individual election > officials on > >  polling location reviews and > >  were also training the municipal clerks on the > accessibility > >  requirements.  MPAS also spent a > considerable amount of time > >  assisting clerks with assessing > >  the accessibility of their polling locations and > helping them > >  apply for Access for All grant money.  MPAS > found that the > >  accessibility data provided by > >  clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > reliable. > > > >  MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > (BOE) attention > > and > >  shared independent accessibility reviews with > them.  The BOE has > >  since increased efforts > >  to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > communication > >  and requiring additional documentation from the > clerks. > > > >  In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > polling locations > >  randomly, without notifying the election > official in advance. > >  After compiling this data on > >  polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > of > >  inaccessibility became a heightened > concern.  Once these > > concerns > >  were communicated to the Bureau of > >  Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > dramatically > >  increasing their involvement in the advancement > of polling place > >  accessibility. > > > >  This same year, the federal government began > reviewing how the > >  states were spending HAVA funds.  This > fueled speculation that > >  the federal government would > >  eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > some states had > >  not spent their money, rather placing it in an > account and > >  allowing the funds to gain > >  interest.  Concerned that Congress would > pull the allocated > > funds > >  completely, which would prevent municipalities > from accessing > >  money to make polling places > >  accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > of Elections, > >  embarked on a project to ensure 100% > accessibility at all > >  Michigan polling places. > > > >  Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > > >  In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > of a statewide > >  plan to reach 100% polling place > accessibility.  MPAS and the > >  Bureau of Elections strengthened > >  their partnership in order to achieve this > goal.  Within this > >  plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > locations throughout > >  the state.  Michigan has > >  approximately 3,600 polling places in > total.  MPAS had already > >  gathered information on 530 polling places prior > to 2010, > >  therefore, did not revisit those > >  locations (some were initially accessible and > others MPAS worked > >  closely with clerks to improve > accessibility.  MPAS is still > >  working with clerks to bring > >  the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > into compliance). > >  MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > polling locations in > >  2010. > > > >  Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > least 95% of the > >  polling places in Michigan. > > > >  The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > nearly 25% of the > >  polling places that remained physically > inaccessible as required > >  by the Americans with > >  Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > > >  Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > 2,927 were assessed > >  between May-August 2010.  Using the ADAAG > as a benchmark to > >  determine physical accessibility, > >  over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > locations visited, > >  had physical barriers failing to comply with the > ADAAG ? > > barriers > >  that create potential > >  difficulties to voters with disabilities on > Election Day. > > > >  Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > from fully > >  participating in all aspects of society because > of their > >  disability.  This might include > architectural > >  barriers, physical barriers, communication > barriers, attitudinal > >  barriers, cultural barriers, etc.  > Throughout this project, > > MPAS? > >  reviews focused primarily > >  on physical and external barriers, which are > defined as > > something > >  material that blocks passage.  Physical > barriers addressed in > >  this report include objects > >  in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > doorways, > >  inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > inaccessible door > >  hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > > >  Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > 2010, 28% did not > >  meet accessibility standards.  Based on > discussions with the BOE > >  in 2008, when MPAS completed > >  the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > notified with a > >  letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > they were also > >  notified by the Bureau of Elections. > >  MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > municipalities > >  plans to meet ADA requirements.  The > letters contained a > >  photograph of the problem area(s), > >  along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.  > Within a five month > >  period, letters were sent to over 440 > municipalities concerning > >  approximately 800 polling > >  locations. > > > >  As shown below, 28% of the polling places > visited in 2010 had > >  some type of physical barrier present at the > time of review. > > > >  The following chart highlights the most common > number of > > physical > >  barriers discovered at each location. > > > >  A majority of the locations reviewed had only > one physical > >  barrier present.  While the largest and > most frequent problem > > was > >  related to parking, the types > >  of barriers at each location varied as shown in > the following > >  chart. > > > >  Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > accessible parking > >  but no signs posted  Parking:  > locations that had no parking > >  designated or noncompliant access > >  aisles  Pathway:  barriers that > existed between access aisles > > and > >  entryway  Entrance:  problems such as > door width, door > >  thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > >  etc.  Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > ramps, handrails, > >  thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > > >  Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election Officials > > > >  After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > notified municipal > >  clerks of locations where barriers were > discovered.  Within a > >  four-month period, over 440 > >  letters were sent to election officials.  > By the end of 2010, > > 88% > >  of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > plan of > > correction. > >  In addition, MPAS > >  provided technical assistance to the election > officials on how > > to > >  improve access to their polling location in > order to come into > >  compliance.   Based on > >  the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > us they were > >  would make the changes required; 31% corrected > the barriers at > >  the polling locations; 9% > >  were going to apply for Access for All grant; > and the remaining > >  responses varied from clerk using temporary > equipment. > > > >  When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > completed, MPAS > >  required documentation from each clerk proving > or stating that > >  the work had been completed, > >  including photographs and/or copies of purchase > orders.  A > >  majority of the clerks responded either with a > plan of > > correction > >  for spring 2011 or with a > >  statement that the work was completed.  > MPAS is still waiting > > for > >  some clerks to confirm that the work was done > sufficiently. > > Once > >  the removal of barriers > >  at these locations has been verified, MPAS > expects Michigan? > >  polling place accessibility rate to rise to > nearly 90 % ?-- > >  one of the highest in the nation. > >  There remains, however, substantial work to be > completed in the > >  city of Detroit in order to reach this > goal.  The remaining 12% > >  of clerks, who did not respond > >  to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > correction, > > will > >  become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > accessibility. > > > >  NEXT STEPS > > > >  While the focus of this report has been on > reaching the 90% > >  accessibility rate, there would still be > approximately 10% of > >  polling locations in Michigan > >  that are not accessible to all voters.  > Some clerks disagree > > with > >  the findings and MPAS is working with those > clerks. > > > >  In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > polling locations > >  that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > breaking them > > into > >  three categories: failure > >  to communicate; work promised but documentation > still needed; > > and > >  locations requiring review by MPAS. > > > >  MPAS will focus attention on election officials > who have failed > >  to respond to MPAS communication attempts.  > This may involve > >  revisiting the location (some > >  clerks correct the problem even when they fail > to respond), > >  attending city council/township meetings, filing > official HAVA > >  complaints, and/or pursuing > >  legal action under different funding > sources.  MPAS?goal has > >  always been to educate clerks and assist them > with improving > >  access first by proposing solutions > >  to removing barriers. > > > >  In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > monitoring the > >  correction plans that election officials have > submitted to > > ensure > >  that barriers are removed. > >  MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > locations that have > >  not been visited yet. > > > >  In Summary > > > >  Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > between MPAS and > > the > >  Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > crucial.  The state > >  reinforced the necessity of > >  accessible elections.  They followed up > with each municipality > >  whose polling place was noted as being > inaccessible in order to > >  determine the jurisdiction's > >  planned course of action.  In addition, the > BOE coordinated and > >  extended Michigan's polling place improvement > grant well into > > the > >  fall to assist municipalities > >  in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > > >  Local election officials can either upgrade > their polling places > >  (with or without grant funds), or relocate the > polling place to > >  an accessible site.  The > >  Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > project, they > >  have seen a large increase in the number of > municipalities > >  applying for grant money.  In > >  an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > extended the > >  typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > additional > >  opportunity to respond to MPAS? > >  letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > funds.  The > >  Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > applications, the > >  largest amount ever received > >  in one grant cycle.  Of those 74 grant > applications, 66 > >  applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > plan of > >  correction - 89% of those who applied. > >  A large number of municipalities have pledged to > apply when the > >  next grant period opens in early 2011. > > > >  If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > proposed > > budget > >  cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > partnership with the > >  Secretary of State, ensuring > >  all elections are accessible to all > voters.  Additionally, MPAS > >  encourages clerks to reach out to local > disability groups for > >  future trainings.  Listed > >  below are additional recommendations moving > forward. > > > >  Summary/Recommendations: > > > >  ?     Local clerks must be > required to notify the Bureau of > >  Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > > >  ?     Accessibility checks > should be completed when clerks > >  change polling locations, to verify > accessibility.  Reports > > (with > >  photographs) should be submitted > >  to the Bureau of Elections. > > > >  ?     New polling locations > must be required to adhere to the > >  Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > Guidelines. > > > >  ?     The advisory committee > in charge of amending the State > >  Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > ways to hold > >  clerks accountable and implement > >  model oversight programs. > > > >  ?     Access for All grant > money should be available > > throughout > >  the year, so accessibility problems can be > addressed anytime > > they > >  arise. > > > >  ?     The Bureau of > Elections and local clerks should continue > >  working with disability advocacy organizations > to complete > >  year-round polling place accessibility > >  audits and training to clerks. > > > >  Accessibility Rate by County > > > >  Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > > >  County > > > >  Polling Locations > > > >  Visited > > > >  Accessible > > > >  Barriers Discovered > > > >  Percent Visited > > > >  % Accessible of those Visited > > > >  Now Complete > > > >  % Now Accessible > > > >  Alcona > > > >  12 > > > >  12 > > > >  8 > > > >  4 > > > >  100% > > > >  67% > > > >  3 > > > >  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> >  93% > > > >  92% > > > >  1 > > > >  96% > > > >  Crawford > > > >  7 > > > >  7 > > > >  6 > > > >  1 > > > >  100% > > > >  86% > > > >  0 > > > >  86% > > > >  Delta > > > >  21 > > > >  20 > > > >  11 > > > >  9 > > > >  95% > > > >  55% > > > >  1 > > > >  60% > > > >  Dickinson > > > >  15 > > > >  15 > > > >  6 > > > >  9 > > > >  100% > > > >  40% > > > >  5 > > > >  73% > > > >  Eaton > > > >  36 > > > >  36 > > > >  28 > > > >  8 > > > >  100% > > > >  78% > > > >  2 > > > >  83% > > > >  Emmet > > > >  19 > > > >  19 > > > >  12 > > > >  7 > > > >  100% > > > >  63% > > > >  5 > > > >  89% > > > >  Genesee > > > >  119 > > > >  109 > > > >  84 > > > >  25 > > > >  92% > > > >  77% > > > >  2 > > > >  79% > > > >  Gladwin > > > >  17 > > > >  17 > > > >  11 > > > >  6 > > > >  100% > > > >  65% > > > >  1 > > > >  71% > > > >  Gogebic > > > >  10 > > > >  10 > > > >  7 > > > >  3 > > > >  100% > > > >  70% > > > >  2 > > > >  90% > > > >  Grand Traverse > > > >  28 > > > >  27 > > > >  27 > > > >  0 > > > >  96% > > > >  100% > > > >  0 > > > >  100% > > > >  Gratiot > > > >  23 > > > >  23 > > > >  16 > > > >  7 > > > >  100% > > > >  70% > > > >  2 > > > >  78% > > > >  Hillsdale > > > >  21 > > > >  21 > > > >  12 > > > >  9 > > > >  100% > > > >  57% > > > >  3 > > > >  71% > > > >  Houghton > > > >  31 > > > >  22 > > > >  9 > > > >  13 > > > >  71% > > > >  41% > > > >  5 > > > >  64% > > > >  Huron > > > >  30 > > > >  29 > > > >  18 > > > >  11 > > > >  97% > > > >  62% > > > >  5 > > > >  79% > > > >  Ingham > > > >  95 > > > >  81 > > > >  78 > > > >  3 > > > >  85% > > > >  96% > > > >  0 > > > >  96% > > > >  Ionia > > > >  22 > > > >  22 > > > >  17 > > > >  5 > > > >  100% > > > >  77% > > > >  1 > > > >  82% > > > >  Iosco > > > >  15 > > > >  15 > > > >  14 > > > >  1 > > > >  100% > > > >  93% > > > >  1 > > > >  100% > > > >  Iron > > > >  12 > > > >  12 > > > >  6 > > > >  6 > > > >  100% > > > >  50% > > > >  2 > > > >  67% > > > >  Isabella > > > >  25 > > > >  25 > > > >  19 > > > >  6 > > > >  100% > > > >  76% > > > >  1 > > > >  80% > > > >  Jackson > > > >  47 > > > >  45 > > > >  34 > > > >  11 > > > >  96% > > > >  76% > > > >  2 > > > >  80% > > > >  Kalamazoo > > > >  97 > > > >  97 > > > >  79 > > > >  18 > > > >  100% > > > >  81% > > > >  7 > > > >  89% > > > >  Kalkaska > > > >  12 > > > >  12 > > > >  8 > > > >  4 > > > >  100% > > > >  67% > > > >  1 > > > >  75% > > > >  Kent > > > >  209 > > > >  207 > > > >  174 > > > >  33 > > > >  99% > > > >  84% > > > >  11 > > > >  89% > > > >  Keweenaw > > > >  5 > > > >  4 > > > >  4 > > > >  0 > > > >  80% > > > >  100% > > > >  0 > > > >  100% > > > >  Lake > > > >  15 > > > >  15 > > > >  8 > > > >  7 > > > >  100% > > > >  53% > > > >  2 > > > >  67% > > > >  Lapeer > > > >  24 > > > >  24 > > > >  20 > > > >  4 > > > >  100% > > > >  83% > > > >  2 > > > >  92% > > > >  Leelanau > > > >  13 > > > >  13 > > > >  8 > > > >  5 > > > >  100% > > > >  62% > > > >  1 > > > >  69% > > > >  Lenawee > > > >  30 > > > >  30 > > > >  23 > > > >  7 > > > >  100% > > > >  77% > > > >  4 > > > >  90% > > > >  Livingston > > > >  48 > > > >  45 > > > >  35 > > > >  10 > > > >  94% > > > >  78% > > > >  0 > > > >  78% > > > >  Luce > > > >  4 > > > >  4 > > > >  3 > > > >  1 > > > >  100% > > > >  75% > > > >  0 > > > >  75% > > > >  Mackinac > > > >  13 > > > >  10 > > > >  5 > > > >  5 > > > >  77% > > > >  50% > > > >  1 > > > >  60% > > > >  Macomb > > > >  235 > > > >  233 > > > >  188 > > > >  45 > > > >  99% > > > >  81% > > > >  17 > > > >  88% > > > >  Manistee > > > >  15 > > > >  15 > > > >  11 > > > >  4 > > > >  100% > > > >  73% > > > >  3 > > > >  93% > > > >  Marquette > > > >  29 > > > >  29 > > > >  16 > > > >  13 > > > >  100% > > > >  55% > > > >  1 > > > >  59% > > > >  Mason > > > >  23 > > > >  23 > > > >  15 > > > >  8 > > > >  100% > > > >  65% > > > >  3 > > > >  78% > > > >  Mecosta > > > >  22 > > > >  22 > > > >  18 > > > >  4 > > > >  100% > > > >  82% > > > >  1 > > > >  86% > > > >  Menominee > > > >  16 > > > >  14 > > > >  8 > > > >  6 > > > >  88% > > > >  57% > > > >  0 > > > >  57% > > > >  Midland > > > >  38 > > > >  29 > > > >  22 > > > >  7 > > > >  76% > > > >  76% > > > >  4 > > > >  90% > > > >  Missaukee > > > >  17 > > > >  17 > > > >  14 > > > >  3 > > > >  100% > > > >  82% > > > >  3 > > > >  100% > > > >  Monroe > > > >  42 > > > >  36 > > > >  27 > > > >  9 > > > >  86% > > > >  75% > > > >  5 > > > >  89% > > > >  Montcalm > > > >  26 > > > >  25 > > > >  21 > > > >  4 > > > >  96% > > > >  84% > > > >  2 > > > >  92% > > > >  Montmorency > > > >  9 > > > >  9 > > > >  7 > > > >  2 > > > >  100% > > > >  78% > > > >  1 > > > >  89% > > > >  Muskegon > > > >  72 > > > >  71 > > > >  68 > > > >  3 > > > >  99% > > > >  96% > > > >  2 > > > >  99% > > > >  Newaygo > > > >  28 > > > >  28 > > > >  22 > > > >  6 > > > >  100% > > > >  79% > > > >  3 > > > >  89% > > > >  Oakland > > > >  410 > > > >  380 > > > >  292 > > > >  88 > > > >  93% > > > >  77% > > > >  46 > > > >  89% > > > >  Oceana > > > >  18 > > > >  18 > > > >  12 > > > >  6 > > > >  100% > > > >  67% > > > >  0 > > > >  67% > > > >  Ogemaw > > > >  16 > > > >  16 > > > >  10 > > > >  6 > > > >  100% > > > >  63% > > > >  5 > > > >  94% > > > >  Ontonagon > > > >  14 > > > >  10 > > > >  3 > > > >  7 > > > >  71% > > > >  30% > > > >  0 > > > >  30% > > > >  Osceola > > > >  18 > > > >  18 > > > >  14 > > > >  4 > > > >  100% > > > >  78% > > > >  2 > > > >  89% > > > >  Oscoda > > > >  6 > > > >  6 > > > >  4 > > > >  2 > > > >  100% > > > >  67% > > > >  1 > > > >  83% > > > >  Otsego > > > >  10 > > > >  10 > > > >  7 > > > >  3 > > > >  100% > > > >  70% > > > >  2 > > > >  90% > > > >  Ottawa > > > >  88 > > > >  88 > > > >  79 > > > >  9 > > > >  100% > > > >  90% > > > >  5 > > > >  95% > > > >  Presque Isle > > > >  16 > > > >  16 > > > >  10 > > > >  6 > > > >  100% > > > >  63% > > > >  3 > > > >  81% > > > >  Roscommon > > > >  11 > > > >  11 > > > >  11 > > > >  0 > > > >  100% > > > >  100% > > > >  0 > > > >  100% > > > >  Saginaw > > > >  75 > > > >  75 > > > >  61 > > > >  14 > > > >  100% > > > >  81% > > > >  8 > > > >  92% > > > >  Sanilac > > > >  30 > > > >  30 > > > >  26 > > > >  4 > > > >  100% > > > >  87% > > > >  3 > > > >  97% > > > >  Schoolcraft > > > >  10 > > > >  10 > > > >  6 > > > >  4 > > > >  100% > > > >  60% > > > >  2 > > > >  80% > > > >  Shiawassee > > > >  27 > > > >  27 > > > >  17 > > > >  10 > > > >  100% > > > >  63% > > > >  3 > > > >  74% > > > >  St.  Clair > > > >  52 > > > >  48 > > > >  44 > > > >  4 > > > >  92% > > > >  92% > > > >  3 > > > >  98% > > > >  St.  Joseph > > > >  17 > > > >  17 > > > >  12 > > > >  5 > > > >  100% > > > >  71% > > > >  2 > > > >  82% > > > >  Tuscola > > > >  25 > > > >  24 > > > >  16 > > > >  8 > > > >  96% > > > >  67% > > > >  2 > > > >  75% > > > >  Van Buren > > > >  23 > > > >  22 > > > >  19 > > > >  3 > > > >  96% > > > >  86% > > > >  1 > > > >  91% > > > >  Washtenaw > > > >  106 > > > >  100 > > > >  70 > > > >  30 > > > >  94% > > > >  70% > > > >  0 > > > >  70% > > > >  Wayne > > > >  568 > > > >  519 > > > >  325 > > > >  194 > > > >  91% > > > >  63% > > > >  28 > > > >  68% > > > >  Wexford > > > >  20 > > > >  20 > > > >  14 > > > >  6 > > > >  100% > > > >  70% > > > >  1 > > > >  75% > > > >  Total > > > >  3635 > > > >  3457 > > > >  2579 > > > >  878 > > > >  95.10% > > > >  74.60% > > > >  289 > > > >  83% > > > >  table end > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > > From: Katie Wang > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > >        > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > > Message-ID: > >        > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > >  Chris, there is no Download button on Web > Braille. Instead, when you > > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > on your Braille > > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > to save the > > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves > each braille volume > > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > this multiple > > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > than one volume. > > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > it a great > > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > more in the past > > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > larger, more > > current collection. > >  Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > on your end-- It > > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest > contacting your state > > NLS library again and see if they can get you > some  sort of technical > > support contact info. Someone from the central program > that > > administers the Web Braille service might need to look > into your > > situation. > >  Hope this helps! > >   Katie > > > > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: > > > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > in it says my user > > > name and password is wrong. I have called and > gotten it changed three > > > times and it still says it. wonder what I am > doing wrong. > > > > > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > users! I recently > > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking > forward to all it has > > >> to offer.  But I do have this question: > when I click on a link > > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, > or something where I > > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my > BrailleNote? I tried to > > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together > last night, and when > > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the > actual book to read > > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to > read it in my > > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later > date.  How can I do this? > > >> Thanks! > > >> > > >> Chris > > >> > > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > (Camp Abilities motto) > > >> > > >> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say > "I can!" How? Click > > >> on this link to learn more and to > contribute: > > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > Facebook at I C.A.N. > > >> Foundation. > > >> > > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lea Williams > > > > > > Phone; > > > 704-732-4470 > > > Skipe; > > > Lea.williams738 > > > Facebook > > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > >        > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain;    >    charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi all, > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there?  Do bloggers > generally write first > > person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > > Any of you have a blog?  How often do you update > it?  Is it possible to > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted > > help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > family. I figured > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > >        > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > >        > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there?  Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog?  How often do you > update it?  Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > >        > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > >        reply-type=original > > > > Joshua, > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > to discuss something > > common? > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > This would be a good idea if  I had several > people interested in a forum. > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that > was one of the things I > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to > post online, I'd like > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > are accessible. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there?  Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog?  How often do you > update it?  Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > > From: Elizabeth > > To: > > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > Convention > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > the help they have > > provided me over the past week. However, I thought I > would also send out a > > general message to thank anyone I may have missed > along the way. My > > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > go, but it was exactly > > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > such a public email > > list. > > > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this > list was before > > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > already said what > > happened, or at least their version of the story. > However, I have already > > shared my version of the story about a million times > by now, so if you are > > curious as to what happened, you will just have to > wait for another time. > > > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I > just wanted to show > > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > the way. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > >        > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > >        > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Yes. > > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Joshua, > > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > people to discuss > > something > > > common? > > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > > This would be a good idea if  I had several > people interested in a forum. > > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and > that was one of the things > > I > > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to post online, I'd > > like > > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > they are accessible. > > > > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joshua Lester > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > > > Ashley: > > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > blind people? > > > I've found an accessible one. > > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still > > have > > > it.) > > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > more than one blog. > > >> So what accessible sites are there?  Do > bloggers generally write first > > >> person stories, or about things they see that > are more objective? > > >> Any of you have a blog?  How often do > you update it?  Is it possible to > > >> upload photos to it to go along with your > story? Or maybe you need > > sighted > > >> help to post photos? > > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips > need to be in? > > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same > site? Can > > >> you write as much as you want or is there a > word limit? > > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > >> opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > >> > > >> What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks. > > >> Ashley > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Amy Sabo > > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , > >        "OF BLIND STUDENTS, > COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > >        < > > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > > From: "Humberto Avila" > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > >        > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    >    charset="us-ascii" > > > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > (AIM) was about 2 years > > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > the way, it was the > > FS > > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it > is inaccessible with > > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > using? Which > > operating system? Which version of aim? > > Cheers,  Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > > Behalf > > Of Amy Sabo > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > STUDENTS, COLORADO > > ASSOCIATION > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > > From: David Andrews > > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > > > > > > > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > > >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > ************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From kobycox at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 20:01:53 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:01:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00C640A0-D0DD-4723-9E82-4BCA8B66A4ED@gmail.com> Can you email me off list? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > I agree with Chris and Sherri. I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't leave until the next > Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun right? Wrong. I didn't get out > of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? Because there were too many > things to do at convention. Convention was awesome and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit more. I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't "required". General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they announce the state > cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it once and I don't think > he even told me where it was. The states should get them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where it is. I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but they did a very good > job. For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >> 2. Re: question about brail to word program? (Chris Nusbaum) >> 3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi >> (Josh Gregory) >> 4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille (Katie Wang) >> 5. accessible blog and journal sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 6. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (Joshua Lester) >> 7. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 8. Thanks for the Help at National Convention (Elizabeth) >> 9. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (Joshua Lester) >> 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >> 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >> 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: NABS list , NFBMD list , >> NFB >> history list >> Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> >> ---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> >> It was announced at the convention that conventions from 2013 >> through 2017 >> will be held in Orlando. I wish we could extend the length of >> the convention >> back to how it was and NFB would >> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon. That way, people could >> get excited >> about Orlando and have time to go places. I liked the old >> schedule much >> better. If we are going to keep people here for five years in a >> row, we need >> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of all there is >> to do in >> Orlando. Besides, I like the banquet the night before the last >> day of >> convention. >> >> >> Sherri Brun >> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other >> plans." John >> Lennon >> >> Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun >> >> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> NFBF Newsline? chair >> www.nfbnewsline.org >> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> http://nfbfgoc.org >> Secretary FDCP INC >> www.fdcp.org >> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for blindtlk: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. >> nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? >> Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users of the >> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding the BN and >> ask questions when they're having technical problems. Here's the >> link: www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. In >> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question to the BN >> list and forward you any responses off list. Hope this helps! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? >> >> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native format >> documents into word >> documents. If you want to do so, you will have to use your >> Braille note to >> do it because there is no program that will translate and convert >> Keyword >> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word (.doc) >> documents, unless >> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, and then use >> a program >> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you will need >> Duxbury >> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the license if you >> don't >> already have it--you can although try it for free but some >> functions will be >> disabled) >> I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to send another >> message off list >> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this is good >> practice for >> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching assistive >> technology. >> Cheers, Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Andi >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? >> >> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to ask. I use to >> use my brail >> >> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was wondering if >> there is a >> >> program to change the files from the brail document to a word >> document? >> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the simpaler to >> use the >> better, but I still want it to do a good job. thank you so much >> for your >> help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Andrews >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable >> Camera >> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera Reading >> System >> to Support Touchscreen >> for People with Low Vision >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, Inc. ( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >> www.visionaid-international.com) >> are proud to announce the Readit Wand! The Readit Wand is a >> portable >> camera that >> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read documents >> for >> the visually impaired. >> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and more with >> ease >> using the Readit >> Wand. Everything read with the Readit Wand will be read in a >> clear, >> human-sounding >> voice. The ability to read all of these items makes Readit Wand >> the >> perfect tool >> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects via USB. >> The >> 5-megapixel camera >> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for recognition >> in as >> little as two >> seconds. The stylish and compact Readit Wand allows for >> automatic >> multi-language >> switching when other languages are installed. The portability >> and >> multiple language >> support make it the ideal tool for students who are learning a >> foreign language. >> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software that >> allows >> you to save, load, >> import, and export documents, including PDFs. Importing PDF >> files >> into the Readit >> software enables users to read PDF files that originally are >> inaccessible because >> they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also allows you to >> save >> documents as >> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your document as an >> MP3 >> file to listen >> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy access >> toolbar >> designed specifically >> for low vision users. The toolbar provides the ability to adjust >> the >> size of the >> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to all the basic >> controls enabling >> low vision users to capture their document, change the view to >> their >> preference and >> more at the click of a button. >> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 different >> types >> of highlights, >> as well as six different ways to display text, allowing low >> vision >> users to customize >> the software to their personal preference. >> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit Wand is the >> first >> portable camera >> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision users the >> ability >> to interact >> with the software by simply using their fingers! This means no >> more >> tracking the >> cursor, which provides direct interaction between the user and >> the >> Readit software, >> creating the best possible user experience. >> GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the Readit Wand >> in >> the U.S., developed >> and manufactured by VisionAid International, located in the >> UK. Readit Wand will >> be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >> For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >> www.gwmicro.com, >> email >> sales at gwmicro.com >> , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >> GW Micro, Inc. ( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology industry >> since 1990, >> and >> continues to lead with innovative, customer driven solutions. >> VisionAid International, Ltd ( >> www.visionaid-international.com), >> established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, effective >> and >> simple to use >> devices for people who are partially sighted and blind that make >> reading a pleasure >> once again. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. >> dempsey%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >> From: Josh Gregory >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day >> in mi >> Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi, >> OK, my thoughts. They are, at the moment, each other's >> competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment anyway, I doubt >> it. >> Best, >> Josh >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this >> day in mi >> >> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to ensure >> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the Help >> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work jointly >> with ACB on this. What does >> everyone think? >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this >> day in mi >> >> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Thoughts on this? >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ---- Original Message ------ >> From: "joe harcz Comcast" > Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi >> Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >> >> A Call to Action ? >> >> Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters with Disabilities >> Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >> >> A Public Report on >> Polling Place >> >> Accessibility in Michigan >> >> Public Report by >> >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> >> 2011 >> >> Acknowledgements >> >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) is Michigan? >> designated agency to advocate and protect the legal rights of >> persons with disabilities, mandated >> by federal and state law. MPAS receives funding from the >> Administration on Developmental Disabilities, the center for >> Mental Health Services ?Substance >> Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the >> Rehabilitation Services Administration, the Social Security >> Administration, the State of Michigan >> and from private donations. >> >> Funding for this report has been made possible through the U.S. >> Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for >> Children and Families, and the >> Administration on Developmental Disabilities. The contents are >> the sole responsibility of the author and do not necessarily >> represent the official views >> of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. >> >> 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. This >> publication may be reproduced in part or in its entirety for >> noncommercial purposes as long >> as appropriate credit is given. >> >> Table of Contents >> >> Executive >> >> Summary.......................................................... >> ...................................................5 >> >> Midterm >> >> Report........................................................... >> .........................................................6 >> >> Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >> >> Project.......................................................... >> .........7 >> >> Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election >> Officials......................................10 >> >> Next >> >> Steps............................................................ >> ..............................................................11 >> >> In >> >> Summary.......................................................... >> ..............................................................11 >> >> Accessibility Rate Per >> >> County........................................................... >> ................................13 >> >> Executive Summary >> >> In Michigan, voters with disabilities face obstacles at voting >> locations often because their polling place lacks physical >> accessibility. The Help America >> Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique obstacles faced by >> voters >> with disabilities and authorized funding for the federally >> mandated Protection and Advocacy >> Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove barriers. >> Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been targeted for >> elimination in the President? proposed >> 2012 budget. >> >> HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, (MPAS), >> and other Protection & Advocacy agencies with helping to ensure >> the full participation of >> individuals with disabilities in the electoral process, >> including >> registering to vote, casting a ballot, and accessing polling >> places. >> >> The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure that every >> eligible Michigan resident receives equal access to their >> polling >> location and has the opportunity >> to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS staff members are on >> the ground providing advice, technical assistance, and training >> to election officials about >> voting accessibility across the spectrum of disabilities. The >> agency also provides outreach and training to voters with >> disabilities, poll workers, and >> service providers. MPAS and the Secretary of State of Michigan >> partnered over the past six years working toward this goal, >> which >> has been effective in >> increasing physical access to polling locations throughout >> Michigan. >> >> Voting is a fundamental right protected by the United States >> Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and subject to intense >> public scrutiny each election >> cycle. Provisions within these protections prohibit >> discrimination against people with disabilities in the electoral >> process. Exercising their Constitutional >> right, however, has continued to be a challenge for individuals >> with disabilities despite changes made to federal and state laws >> intended to ensure full >> participation. >> >> Key Summary >> >> ? Disability advocates have visited 95% (3,457) and >> reviewed the exterior of polling locations in Michigan. >> >> ? Upon initial review, Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan polling places >> were >> compliant under the Americans >> with Disabilities Act. >> >> ? After working with state and local officials, it is >> anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate will be increased >> to 90% in 2012. >> >> ? Of the locations that were inaccessible, 60% had one >> barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% had three or more >> types of barriers. >> >> ? Only six of the 84 counties in Michigan were 100% >> physically accessible upon initial visit. >> >> ? MPAS continues to receive complaints regarding the >> AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking device. >> >> Michigan has made great strides toward accessibility at the >> polls. This report will highlight the steps taken to ensure >> that >> all polling locations throughout >> Michigan are accessible to voters with disabilities. In >> addition, the report will offer recommendations for Michigan to >> achieve and maintain an accessibility >> rate of 100%. >> >> 2010 Mid Term Report >> >> Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout the country, >> Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) in 2002. HAVA >> included sweeping legislation >> intended to modernize the electoral system for all voters, >> including those with disabilities. The Help America Vote Act >> reinforced the application of >> Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act and Section 504 >> of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in 2004, Michigan >> lawmakers amended Michigan election >> law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the removal of physical >> barriers at polling locations. Irrespective of both federal and >> state law, 25% of Michigan's >> voting locations continued to be inaccessible for the November >> 2010 general election. To achieve an all-encompassing voting >> standard for the fifty states, >> HAVA included two key components for the disability community: >> >> ? All polling places must have at least one voting system >> which allows all citizens to cast a ballot privately and >> independently, whether or not one >> has a disability. >> >> ? States must ensure accessibility at all public polling >> places in a manner compliant with the Americans with >> Disabilities >> Act (ADA). >> >> Accessible Voting System >> >> In 2004, the disability community and the Michigan Secretary of >> State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully assessing which >> accessible device would best >> fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 selected the >> AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible ballot marking device >> that can be used by all voters >> with or without disabilities. >> >> Although every polling location is equipped with the AutoMARK, >> each municipality is responsible for making sure it is set up >> and >> operating properly. Unfortunately, >> MPAS continues to receive complaints about the AutoMARK. Voter >> complaints have included the following: the AutoMARK was boxed >> up on Election Day, unplugged, >> jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters could see the >> ?ecret?ballot. Complaints concerning jammed ballots have been >> greatly reduced since the >> last round of updates were completed. Because the AutoMARK is >> used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter feedback to >> correct these kinds of problems. >> MPAS continues to monitor and respond to complaints as they >> arise. >> >> Accessible Polling Places >> >> Under HAVA, the federal government allocated money to assist >> with >> the purchase of accessible equipment like the AutoMARK, but also >> to help municipalities >> make their polling places physically accessible. Congress >> recognized that in order for people to use the accessible voting >> machines, the building must >> also be accessible so voters can access the polling location and >> voting equipment. It is the local election officials? >> responsibility to make sure all >> polling locations are accessible on Election Day. To help cover >> the expense for removing barriers at polling locations, the >> Michigan BOE administers a >> grant program called Access for All, under the U.S. Department >> of Health and Human Services with funding allocated through >> HAVA, >> to help the state comply >> with HAVA. In most circumstances, the Access for All grants >> cover all costs associated with accessibility upgrades for >> polling locations. >> >> When Michigan? State Plan to implement provisions under HAVA >> was >> initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were required to complete an >> accessibility checklist >> to determine whether or not their locations were accessible. >> This was one of the state? first attempts to gather information >> on Michigan? polling place >> accessibility. During this time, MPAS and other organizations >> were working closely with individual election officials on >> polling location reviews and >> were also training the municipal clerks on the accessibility >> requirements. MPAS also spent a considerable amount of time >> assisting clerks with assessing >> the accessibility of their polling locations and helping them >> apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS found that the >> accessibility data provided by >> clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly reliable. >> >> MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? (BOE) attention >> and >> shared independent accessibility reviews with them. The BOE has >> since increased efforts >> to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving communication >> and requiring additional documentation from the clerks. >> >> In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal polling locations >> randomly, without notifying the election official in advance. >> After compiling this data on >> polling locations statewide, the systemic issue of >> inaccessibility became a heightened concern. Once these >> concerns >> were communicated to the Bureau of >> Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 dramatically >> increasing their involvement in the advancement of polling place >> accessibility. >> >> This same year, the federal government began reviewing how the >> states were spending HAVA funds. This fueled speculation that >> the federal government would >> eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since some states had >> not spent their money, rather placing it in an account and >> allowing the funds to gain >> interest. Concerned that Congress would pull the allocated >> funds >> completely, which would prevent municipalities from accessing >> money to make polling places >> accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau of Elections, >> embarked on a project to ensure 100% accessibility at all >> Michigan polling places. >> >> Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >> >> In 2010, Michigan started building the framework of a statewide >> plan to reach 100% polling place accessibility. MPAS and the >> Bureau of Elections strengthened >> their partnership in order to achieve this goal. Within this >> plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all locations throughout >> the state. Michigan has >> approximately 3,600 polling places in total. MPAS had already >> gathered information on 530 polling places prior to 2010, >> therefore, did not revisit those >> locations (some were initially accessible and others MPAS worked >> closely with clerks to improve accessibility. MPAS is still >> working with clerks to bring >> the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations into compliance). >> MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 polling locations in >> 2010. >> >> Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at least 95% of the >> polling places in Michigan. >> >> The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed nearly 25% of the >> polling places that remained physically inaccessible as required >> by the Americans with >> Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, 2,927 were assessed >> between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG as a benchmark to >> determine physical accessibility, >> over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 locations visited, >> had physical barriers failing to comply with the ADAAG ? >> barriers >> that create potential >> difficulties to voters with disabilities on Election Day. >> >> Barriers can prevent people with disabilities from fully >> participating in all aspects of society because of their >> disability. This might include architectural >> barriers, physical barriers, communication barriers, attitudinal >> barriers, cultural barriers, etc. Throughout this project, >> MPAS? >> reviews focused primarily >> on physical and external barriers, which are defined as >> something >> material that blocks passage. Physical barriers addressed in >> this report include objects >> in the environment such as inaccessible doors or doorways, >> inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, inaccessible door >> hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >> >> Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in 2010, 28% did not >> meet accessibility standards. Based on discussions with the BOE >> in 2008, when MPAS completed >> the unannounced visits, clerks were not only notified with a >> letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but they were also >> notified by the Bureau of Elections. >> MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the municipalities >> plans to meet ADA requirements. The letters contained a >> photograph of the problem area(s), >> along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. Within a five month >> period, letters were sent to over 440 municipalities concerning >> approximately 800 polling >> locations. >> >> As shown below, 28% of the polling places visited in 2010 had >> some type of physical barrier present at the time of review. >> >> The following chart highlights the most common number of >> physical >> barriers discovered at each location. >> >> A majority of the locations reviewed had only one physical >> barrier present. While the largest and most frequent problem >> was >> related to parking, the types >> of barriers at each location varied as shown in the following >> chart. >> >> Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had accessible parking >> but no signs posted Parking: locations that had no parking >> designated or noncompliant access >> aisles Pathway: barriers that existed between access aisles >> and >> entryway Entrance: problems such as door width, door >> thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >> etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, ramps, handrails, >> thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >> >> Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election Officials >> >> After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS notified municipal >> clerks of locations where barriers were discovered. Within a >> four-month period, over 440 >> letters were sent to election officials. By the end of 2010, >> 88% >> of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a plan of >> correction. >> In addition, MPAS >> provided technical assistance to the election officials on how >> to >> improve access to their polling location in order to come into >> compliance. Based on >> the responses received from clerks, 43% informed us they were >> would make the changes required; 31% corrected the barriers at >> the polling locations; 9% >> were going to apply for Access for All grant; and the remaining >> responses varied from clerk using temporary equipment. >> >> When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was completed, MPAS >> required documentation from each clerk proving or stating that >> the work had been completed, >> including photographs and/or copies of purchase orders. A >> majority of the clerks responded either with a plan of >> correction >> for spring 2011 or with a >> statement that the work was completed. MPAS is still waiting >> for >> some clerks to confirm that the work was done sufficiently. >> Once >> the removal of barriers >> at these locations has been verified, MPAS expects Michigan? >> polling place accessibility rate to rise to nearly 90 % ?-- >> one of the highest in the nation. >> There remains, however, substantial work to be completed in the >> city of Detroit in order to reach this goal. The remaining 12% >> of clerks, who did not respond >> to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of correction, >> will >> become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% accessibility. >> >> NEXT STEPS >> >> While the focus of this report has been on reaching the 90% >> accessibility rate, there would still be approximately 10% of >> polling locations in Michigan >> that are not accessible to all voters. Some clerks disagree >> with >> the findings and MPAS is working with those clerks. >> >> In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of polling locations >> that are still recorded as being inaccessible, breaking them >> into >> three categories: failure >> to communicate; work promised but documentation still needed; >> and >> locations requiring review by MPAS. >> >> MPAS will focus attention on election officials who have failed >> to respond to MPAS communication attempts. This may involve >> revisiting the location (some >> clerks correct the problem even when they fail to respond), >> attending city council/township meetings, filing official HAVA >> complaints, and/or pursuing >> legal action under different funding sources. MPAS?goal has >> always been to educate clerks and assist them with improving >> access first by proposing solutions >> to removing barriers. >> >> In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to monitoring the >> correction plans that election officials have submitted to >> ensure >> that barriers are removed. >> MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling locations that have >> not been visited yet. >> >> In Summary >> >> Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership between MPAS and >> the >> Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was crucial. The state >> reinforced the necessity of >> accessible elections. They followed up with each municipality >> whose polling place was noted as being inaccessible in order to >> determine the jurisdiction's >> planned course of action. In addition, the BOE coordinated and >> extended Michigan's polling place improvement grant well into >> the >> fall to assist municipalities >> in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> >> Local election officials can either upgrade their polling places >> (with or without grant funds), or relocate the polling place to >> an accessible site. The >> Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 project, they >> have seen a large increase in the number of municipalities >> applying for grant money. In >> an effort to assist with the project, the BOE extended the >> typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks additional >> opportunity to respond to MPAS? >> letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant funds. The >> Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant applications, the >> largest amount ever received >> in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant applications, 66 >> applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a plan of >> correction - 89% of those who applied. >> A large number of municipalities have pledged to apply when the >> next grant period opens in early 2011. >> >> If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? proposed >> budget >> cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the partnership with the >> Secretary of State, ensuring >> all elections are accessible to all voters. Additionally, MPAS >> encourages clerks to reach out to local disability groups for >> future trainings. Listed >> below are additional recommendations moving forward. >> >> Summary/Recommendations: >> >> ? Local clerks must be required to notify the Bureau of >> Elections prior to relocating polling places. >> >> ? Accessibility checks should be completed when clerks >> change polling locations, to verify accessibility. Reports >> (with >> photographs) should be submitted >> to the Bureau of Elections. >> >> ? New polling locations must be required to adhere to the >> Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> ? The advisory committee in charge of amending the State >> Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify ways to hold >> clerks accountable and implement >> model oversight programs. >> >> ? Access for All grant money should be available >> throughout >> the year, so accessibility problems can be addressed anytime >> they >> arise. >> >> ? The Bureau of Elections and local clerks should continue >> working with disability advocacy organizations to complete >> year-round polling place accessibility >> audits and training to clerks. >> >> Accessibility Rate by County >> >> Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >> >> County >> >> Polling Locations >> >> Visited >> >> Accessible >> >> Barriers Discovered >> >> Percent Visited >> >> % Accessible of those Visited >> >> Now Complete >> >> % Now Accessible >> >> Alcona >> >> 12 >> >> 12 >> >> 8 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 67% >> >> 3 >> >> 92% >> >> Alger >> >> 10 >> >> 10 >> >> 5 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 50% >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> Allegan >> >> 37 >> >> 37 >> >> 35 >> >> 2 >> >> 100% >> >> 95% >> >> 1 >> >> 97% >> >> Alpena >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 8 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 53% >> >> 1 >> >> 60% >> >> Antrim >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 9 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 60% >> >> 2 >> >> 73% >> >> Arenac >> >> 14 >> >> 14 >> >> 10 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 71% >> >> 3 >> >> 93% >> >> Baraga >> >> 8 >> >> 6 >> >> 1 >> >> 5 >> >> 75% >> >> 17% >> >> 1 >> >> 33% >> >> Barry >> >> 23 >> >> 23 >> >> 18 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 78% >> >> 1 >> >> 83% >> >> Bay >> >> 49 >> >> 48 >> >> 36 >> >> 12 >> >> 98% >> >> 75% >> >> 1 >> >> 77% >> >> Benzie >> >> 13 >> >> 13 >> >> 6 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 46% >> >> 4 >> >> 77% >> >> Berrien >> >> 57 >> >> 57 >> >> 43 >> >> 14 >> >> 100% >> >> 75% >> >> 8 >> >> 89% >> >> Branch >> >> 18 >> >> 17 >> >> 9 >> >> 8 >> >> 94% >> >> 53% >> >> 6 >> >> 88% >> >> Calhoun >> >> 46 >> >> 43 >> >> 34 >> >> 9 >> >> 93% >> >> 79% >> >> 3 >> >> 86% >> >> Cass >> >> 19 >> >> 19 >> >> 12 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 6 >> >> 95% >> >> Charlevoix >> >> 18 >> >> 16 >> >> 10 >> >> 6 >> >> 89% >> >> 63% >> >> 1 >> >> 69% >> >> Cheboygan >> >> 20 >> >> 20 >> >> 14 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 5 >> >> 95% >> >> Chippewa >> >> 19 >> >> 18 >> >> 13 >> >> 5 >> >> 95% >> >> 72% >> >> 4 >> >> 94% >> >> Clare >> >> 19 >> >> 16 >> >> 13 >> >> 3 >> >> 84% >> >> 81% >> >> 2 >> >> 94% >> >> Clinton >> >> 28 >> >> 26 >> >> 24 >> >> 2 >> >> 93% >> >> 92% >> >> 1 >> >> 96% >> >> Crawford >> >> 7 >> >> 7 >> >> 6 >> >> 1 >> >> 100% >> >> 86% >> >> 0 >> >> 86% >> >> Delta >> >> 21 >> >> 20 >> >> 11 >> >> 9 >> >> 95% >> >> 55% >> >> 1 >> >> 60% >> >> Dickinson >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 6 >> >> 9 >> >> 100% >> >> 40% >> >> 5 >> >> 73% >> >> Eaton >> >> 36 >> >> 36 >> >> 28 >> >> 8 >> >> 100% >> >> 78% >> >> 2 >> >> 83% >> >> Emmet >> >> 19 >> >> 19 >> >> 12 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 5 >> >> 89% >> >> Genesee >> >> 119 >> >> 109 >> >> 84 >> >> 25 >> >> 92% >> >> 77% >> >> 2 >> >> 79% >> >> Gladwin >> >> 17 >> >> 17 >> >> 11 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 65% >> >> 1 >> >> 71% >> >> Gogebic >> >> 10 >> >> 10 >> >> 7 >> >> 3 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 2 >> >> 90% >> >> Grand Traverse >> >> 28 >> >> 27 >> >> 27 >> >> 0 >> >> 96% >> >> 100% >> >> 0 >> >> 100% >> >> Gratiot >> >> 23 >> >> 23 >> >> 16 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 2 >> >> 78% >> >> Hillsdale >> >> 21 >> >> 21 >> >> 12 >> >> 9 >> >> 100% >> >> 57% >> >> 3 >> >> 71% >> >> Houghton >> >> 31 >> >> 22 >> >> 9 >> >> 13 >> >> 71% >> >> 41% >> >> 5 >> >> 64% >> >> Huron >> >> 30 >> >> 29 >> >> 18 >> >> 11 >> >> 97% >> >> 62% >> >> 5 >> >> 79% >> >> Ingham >> >> 95 >> >> 81 >> >> 78 >> >> 3 >> >> 85% >> >> 96% >> >> 0 >> >> 96% >> >> Ionia >> >> 22 >> >> 22 >> >> 17 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 77% >> >> 1 >> >> 82% >> >> Iosco >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 14 >> >> 1 >> >> 100% >> >> 93% >> >> 1 >> >> 100% >> >> Iron >> >> 12 >> >> 12 >> >> 6 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 50% >> >> 2 >> >> 67% >> >> Isabella >> >> 25 >> >> 25 >> >> 19 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 76% >> >> 1 >> >> 80% >> >> Jackson >> >> 47 >> >> 45 >> >> 34 >> >> 11 >> >> 96% >> >> 76% >> >> 2 >> >> 80% >> >> Kalamazoo >> >> 97 >> >> 97 >> >> 79 >> >> 18 >> >> 100% >> >> 81% >> >> 7 >> >> 89% >> >> Kalkaska >> >> 12 >> >> 12 >> >> 8 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 67% >> >> 1 >> >> 75% >> >> Kent >> >> 209 >> >> 207 >> >> 174 >> >> 33 >> >> 99% >> >> 84% >> >> 11 >> >> 89% >> >> Keweenaw >> >> 5 >> >> 4 >> >> 4 >> >> 0 >> >> 80% >> >> 100% >> >> 0 >> >> 100% >> >> Lake >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 8 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 53% >> >> 2 >> >> 67% >> >> Lapeer >> >> 24 >> >> 24 >> >> 20 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 83% >> >> 2 >> >> 92% >> >> Leelanau >> >> 13 >> >> 13 >> >> 8 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 62% >> >> 1 >> >> 69% >> >> Lenawee >> >> 30 >> >> 30 >> >> 23 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 77% >> >> 4 >> >> 90% >> >> Livingston >> >> 48 >> >> 45 >> >> 35 >> >> 10 >> >> 94% >> >> 78% >> >> 0 >> >> 78% >> >> Luce >> >> 4 >> >> 4 >> >> 3 >> >> 1 >> >> 100% >> >> 75% >> >> 0 >> >> 75% >> >> Mackinac >> >> 13 >> >> 10 >> >> 5 >> >> 5 >> >> 77% >> >> 50% >> >> 1 >> >> 60% >> >> Macomb >> >> 235 >> >> 233 >> >> 188 >> >> 45 >> >> 99% >> >> 81% >> >> 17 >> >> 88% >> >> Manistee >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 11 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 73% >> >> 3 >> >> 93% >> >> Marquette >> >> 29 >> >> 29 >> >> 16 >> >> 13 >> >> 100% >> >> 55% >> >> 1 >> >> 59% >> >> Mason >> >> 23 >> >> 23 >> >> 15 >> >> 8 >> >> 100% >> >> 65% >> >> 3 >> >> 78% >> >> Mecosta >> >> 22 >> >> 22 >> >> 18 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 82% >> >> 1 >> >> 86% >> >> Menominee >> >> 16 >> >> 14 >> >> 8 >> >> 6 >> >> 88% >> >> 57% >> >> 0 >> >> 57% >> >> Midland >> >> 38 >> >> 29 >> >> 22 >> >> 7 >> >> 76% >> >> 76% >> >> 4 >> >> 90% >> >> Missaukee >> >> 17 >> >> 17 >> >> 14 >> >> 3 >> >> 100% >> >> 82% >> >> 3 >> >> 100% >> >> Monroe >> >> 42 >> >> 36 >> >> 27 >> >> 9 >> >> 86% >> >> 75% >> >> 5 >> >> 89% >> >> Montcalm >> >> 26 >> >> 25 >> >> 21 >> >> 4 >> >> 96% >> >> 84% >> >> 2 >> >> 92% >> >> Montmorency >> >> 9 >> >> 9 >> >> 7 >> >> 2 >> >> 100% >> >> 78% >> >> 1 >> >> 89% >> >> Muskegon >> >> 72 >> >> 71 >> >> 68 >> >> 3 >> >> 99% >> >> 96% >> >> 2 >> >> 99% >> >> Newaygo >> >> 28 >> >> 28 >> >> 22 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 79% >> >> 3 >> >> 89% >> >> Oakland >> >> 410 >> >> 380 >> >> 292 >> >> 88 >> >> 93% >> >> 77% >> >> 46 >> >> 89% >> >> Oceana >> >> 18 >> >> 18 >> >> 12 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 67% >> >> 0 >> >> 67% >> >> Ogemaw >> >> 16 >> >> 16 >> >> 10 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 5 >> >> 94% >> >> Ontonagon >> >> 14 >> >> 10 >> >> 3 >> >> 7 >> >> 71% >> >> 30% >> >> 0 >> >> 30% >> >> Osceola >> >> 18 >> >> 18 >> >> 14 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 78% >> >> 2 >> >> 89% >> >> Oscoda >> >> 6 >> >> 6 >> >> 4 >> >> 2 >> >> 100% >> >> 67% >> >> 1 >> >> 83% >> >> Otsego >> >> 10 >> >> 10 >> >> 7 >> >> 3 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 2 >> >> 90% >> >> Ottawa >> >> 88 >> >> 88 >> >> 79 >> >> 9 >> >> 100% >> >> 90% >> >> 5 >> >> 95% >> >> Presque Isle >> >> 16 >> >> 16 >> >> 10 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 3 >> >> 81% >> >> Roscommon >> >> 11 >> >> 11 >> >> 11 >> >> 0 >> >> 100% >> >> 100% >> >> 0 >> >> 100% >> >> Saginaw >> >> 75 >> >> 75 >> >> 61 >> >> 14 >> >> 100% >> >> 81% >> >> 8 >> >> 92% >> >> Sanilac >> >> 30 >> >> 30 >> >> 26 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 87% >> >> 3 >> >> 97% >> >> Schoolcraft >> >> 10 >> >> 10 >> >> 6 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 60% >> >> 2 >> >> 80% >> >> Shiawassee >> >> 27 >> >> 27 >> >> 17 >> >> 10 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 3 >> >> 74% >> >> St. Clair >> >> 52 >> >> 48 >> >> 44 >> >> 4 >> >> 92% >> >> 92% >> >> 3 >> >> 98% >> >> St. Joseph >> >> 17 >> >> 17 >> >> 12 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 71% >> >> 2 >> >> 82% >> >> Tuscola >> >> 25 >> >> 24 >> >> 16 >> >> 8 >> >> 96% >> >> 67% >> >> 2 >> >> 75% >> >> Van Buren >> >> 23 >> >> 22 >> >> 19 >> >> 3 >> >> 96% >> >> 86% >> >> 1 >> >> 91% >> >> Washtenaw >> >> 106 >> >> 100 >> >> 70 >> >> 30 >> >> 94% >> >> 70% >> >> 0 >> >> 70% >> >> Wayne >> >> 568 >> >> 519 >> >> 325 >> >> 194 >> >> 91% >> >> 63% >> >> 28 >> >> 68% >> >> Wexford >> >> 20 >> >> 20 >> >> 14 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 1 >> >> 75% >> >> Total >> >> 3635 >> >> 3457 >> >> 2579 >> >> 878 >> >> 95.10% >> >> 74.60% >> >> 289 >> >> 83% >> >> table end >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> 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Instead, when you >> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s on your Braille >> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like to save the >> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves each braille volume >> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do this multiple >> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more than one volume. >> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find it a great >> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare more in the past >> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much larger, more >> current collection. >> Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong on your end-- It >> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest contacting your state >> NLS library again and see if they can get you some sort of technical >> support contact info. 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Do bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National Convention >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for the help they have >> provided me over the past week. However, I thought I would also send out a >> general message to thank anyone I may have missed along the way. My >> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to go, but it was exactly >> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on such a public email >> list. >> >> Since the last time I checked the messages on this list was before >> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have already said what >> happened, or at least their version of the story. However, I have already >> shared my version of the story about a million times by now, so if you are >> curious as to what happened, you will just have to wait for another time. >> >> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I just wanted to show >> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along the way. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Yes. >> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss >> something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things >> I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd >> like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still >> have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >>>> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first >>>> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >>>> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >>>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >>>> help to post photos? >>>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >>>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>>> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >>>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured >>>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >>>> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >>>> >>>> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Amy Sabo >> To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , >> "OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> < >> 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net >>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) was about 2 years >> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by the way, it was the >> FS >> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it is inaccessible with >> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you using? Which >> operating system? Which version of aim? >> Cheers, Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Amy Sabo >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO >> ASSOCIATION >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> >>> >>> Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >>> I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> ************************************** >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Jul 11 20:26:07 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:26:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years References: <1310412991.9649.YahooMailClassic@web162020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701cc4008$c5b548d0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello everyone, The 2012 convention will be in Dallas. The six conventions following 2012 will all be in Orlando. Cool!! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six years. --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > I agree with Chris and Sherri. > I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't > leave until the next > Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun > right? Wrong. I didn't get out > of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the > beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? > Because there were too many > things to do at convention. Convention was awesome > and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > more. I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > "required". General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > announce the state > cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > once and I don't think > he even told me where it was. The states should get > them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where it > is. I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > they did a very good > job. For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: > > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > > 2. Re: question about brail to word > program? (Chris Nusbaum) > > 3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day in mi > > (Josh Gregory) > > 4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille > (Katie Wang) > > 5. accessible blog and journal sites > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > > 6. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > > 7. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > > 8. Thanks for the Help at National > Convention (Elizabeth) > > 9. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > > 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > > 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > > 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: NABS list , > NFBMD list , > > NFB > > history list > > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > 5 years > > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > > From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > > > It was announced at the convention that conventions > from 2013 > > through 2017 > > will be held in Orlando. I wish we could extend > the length of > > the convention > > back to how it was and NFB would > > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon. That > way, people could > > get excited > > about Orlando and have time to go places. I > liked the old > > schedule much > > better. If we are going to keep people here for > five years in a > > row, we need > > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > all there is > > to do in > > Orlando. Besides, I like the banquet the night > before the last > > day of > > convention. > > > > > > Sherri Brun > > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other > > plans." John > > Lennon > > > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > > NFBF Newsline? chair > > www.nfbnewsline.org > > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > > http://nfbfgoc.org > > Secretary FDCP INC > > www.fdcp.org > > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindtlk mailing list > > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for blindtlk: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > of the > > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > the BN and > > ask questions when they're having technical > problems. Here's the > > link: > www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. > In > > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > to the BN > > list and forward you any responses off list. > Hope this helps! > > > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > format > > documents into word > > documents. If you want to do so, you will have > to use your > > Braille note to > > do it because there is no program that will translate > and convert > > Keyword > > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > (.doc) > > documents, unless > > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > and then use > > a program > > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > will need > > Duxbury > > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > license if you > > don't > > already have it--you can although try it for free but > some > > functions will be > > disabled) > > I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to > send another > > message off list > > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > is good > > practice for > > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > assistive > > technology. > > Cheers, Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > > Of Andi > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > ask. I use to > > use my brail > > > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > wondering if > > there is a > > > > program to change the files from the brail document to > a word > > document? > > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > simpaler to > > use the > > better, but I still want it to do a good job. > thank you so much > > for your > > help. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Andrews > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > First Portable > > Camera > > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > Reading > > System > > to Support Touchscreen > > for People with Low Vision > > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > Inc. ( > > www.gwmicro.com) > > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > > www.visionaid-international.com) > > are proud to announce the Readit Wand! The > Readit Wand is a > > portable > > camera that > > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read > documents > > for > > the visually impaired. > > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and > more with > > ease > > using the Readit > > Wand. Everything read with the Readit Wand will > be read in a > > clear, > > human-sounding > > voice. The ability to read all of these items > makes Readit Wand > > the > > perfect tool > > for the classroom, at home, or at work. > > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects > via USB. > > The > > 5-megapixel camera > > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for > recognition > > in as > > little as two > > seconds. The stylish and compact Readit Wand > allows for > > automatic > > multi-language > > switching when other languages are installed. > The portability > > and > > multiple language > > support make it the ideal tool for students who are > learning a > > foreign language. > > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > that > > allows > > you to save, load, > > import, and export documents, including PDFs. > Importing PDF > > files > > into the Readit > > software enables users to read PDF files that > originally are > > inaccessible because > > they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also > allows you to > > save > > documents as > > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > document as an > > MP3 > > file to listen > > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > access > > toolbar > > designed specifically > > for low vision users. The toolbar provides the > ability to adjust > > the > > size of the > > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > all the basic > > controls enabling > > low vision users to capture their document, change the > view to > > their > > preference and > > more at the click of a button. > > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > different > > types > > of highlights, > > as well as six different ways to display text, > allowing low > > vision > > users to customize > > the software to their personal preference. > > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > Wand is the > > first > > portable camera > > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > users the > > ability > > to interact > > with the software by simply using their fingers! > This means no > > more > > tracking the > > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > user and > > the > > Readit software, > > creating the best possible user experience. > > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > Readit Wand > > in > > the U.S., developed > > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > in the > > UK. Readit Wand will > > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > > www.gwmicro.com, > > email > > sales at gwmicro.com > > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > > GW Micro, Inc. ( > > www.gwmicro.com) > > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > industry > > since 1990, > > and > > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > > www.visionaid-international.com), > > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > effective > > and > > simple to use > > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > that make > > reading a pleasure > > once again. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. > > dempsey%40g > > mail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > > t.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > > From: Josh Gregory > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day > > in mi > > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > Hi, > > OK, my thoughts. They are, at the moment, each > other's > > competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment > anyway, I doubt > > it. > > Best, > > Josh > > > > sent from my Apex > > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > ensure > > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > Help > > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > jointly > > with ACB on this. What does > > everyone think? > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > Thoughts on this? > > > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities > > motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > can!" How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > at I C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > > From: "joe harcz Comcast" > Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > this day in mi > > Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > > > A Call to Action ? > > > > Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > with Disabilities > > Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > > > A Public Report on > > Polling Place > > > > Accessibility in Michigan > > > > Public Report by > > > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > > > 2011 > > > > Acknowledgements > > > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > is Michigan? > > designated agency to advocate and protect the > legal rights of > > persons with disabilities, mandated > > by federal and state law. MPAS receives > funding from the > > Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > the center for > > Mental Health Services ?Substance > > Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > the > > Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > Social Security > > Administration, the State of Michigan > > and from private donations. > > > > Funding for this report has been made possible > through the U.S. > > Department of Health and Human Services, > Administration for > > Children and Families, and the > > Administration on Developmental > Disabilities. The contents are > > the sole responsibility of the author and do not > necessarily > > represent the official views > > of the U.S. Department of Health and Human > Services. > > > > 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, Inc. This > > publication may be reproduced in part or in its > entirety for > > noncommercial purposes as long > > as appropriate credit is given. > > > > Table of Contents > > > > Executive > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > > > ...................................................5 > > > > Midterm > > > > > Report........................................................... > > > .........................................................6 > > > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > > > > Project.......................................................... > > .........7 > > > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election > > > Officials......................................10 > > > > Next > > > > > Steps............................................................ > > > ..............................................................11 > > > > In > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > > > ..............................................................11 > > > > Accessibility Rate Per > > > > > County........................................................... > > ................................13 > > > > Executive Summary > > > > In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > obstacles at voting > > locations often because their polling place > lacks physical > > accessibility. The Help America > > Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > obstacles faced by > > voters > > with disabilities and authorized funding for the > federally > > mandated Protection and Advocacy > > Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > barriers. > > Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > targeted for > > elimination in the President? proposed > > 2012 budget. > > > > HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, (MPAS), > > and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > with helping to ensure > > the full participation of > > individuals with disabilities in the electoral > process, > > including > > registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > accessing polling > > places. > > > > The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > that every > > eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > to their > > polling > > location and has the opportunity > > to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS > staff members are on > > the ground providing advice, technical > assistance, and training > > to election officials about > > voting accessibility across the spectrum of > disabilities. The > > agency also provides outreach and training to > voters with > > disabilities, poll workers, and > > service providers. MPAS and the Secretary > of State of Michigan > > partnered over the past six years working toward > this goal, > > which > > has been effective in > > increasing physical access to polling locations > throughout > > Michigan. > > > > Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > United States > > Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > subject to intense > > public scrutiny each election > > cycle. Provisions within these protections > prohibit > > discrimination against people with disabilities > in the electoral > > process. Exercising their Constitutional > > right, however, has continued to be a challenge > for individuals > > with disabilities despite changes made to > federal and state laws > > intended to ensure full > > participation. > > > > Key Summary > > > > ? Disability advocates > have visited 95% (3,457) and > > reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > Michigan. > > > > ? Upon initial review, > Michigan Protection and Advocacy > > Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > polling places > > were > > compliant under the Americans > > with Disabilities Act. > > > > ? After working with > state and local officials, it is > > anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > will be increased > > to 90% in 2012. > > > > ? Of the locations that > were inaccessible, 60% had one > > barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > had three or more > > types of barriers. > > > > ? Only six of the 84 > counties in Michigan were 100% > > physically accessible upon initial visit. > > > > ? MPAS continues to > receive complaints regarding the > > AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > device. > > > > Michigan has made great strides toward > accessibility at the > > polls. This report will highlight the > steps taken to ensure > > that > > all polling locations throughout > > Michigan are accessible to voters with > disabilities. In > > addition, the report will offer recommendations > for Michigan to > > achieve and maintain an accessibility > > rate of 100%. > > > > 2010 Mid Term Report > > > > Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > the country, > > Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > in 2002. HAVA > > included sweeping legislation > > intended to modernize the electoral system for > all voters, > > including those with disabilities. The > Help America Vote Act > > reinforced the application of > > Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > and Section 504 > > of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in > 2004, Michigan > > lawmakers amended Michigan election > > law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > removal of physical > > barriers at polling locations. > Irrespective of both federal and > > state law, 25% of Michigan's > > voting locations continued to be inaccessible > for the November > > 2010 general election. To achieve an > all-encompassing voting > > standard for the fifty states, > > HAVA included two key components for the > disability community: > > > > ? All polling places > must have at least one voting system > > which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > privately and > > independently, whether or not one > > has a disability. > > > > ? States must ensure > accessibility at all public polling > > places in a manner compliant with the Americans > with > > Disabilities > > Act (ADA). > > > > Accessible Voting System > > > > In 2004, the disability community and the > Michigan Secretary of > > State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > assessing which > > accessible device would best > > fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > selected the > > AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible > ballot marking device > > that can be used by all voters > > with or without disabilities. > > > > Although every polling location is equipped with > the AutoMARK, > > each municipality is responsible for making sure > it is set up > > and > > operating properly. Unfortunately, > > MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > AutoMARK. Voter > > complaints have included the following: > the AutoMARK was boxed > > up on Election Day, unplugged, > > jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > could see the > > ?ecret?ballot. Complaints concerning > jammed ballots have been > > greatly reduced since the > > last round of updates were completed. > Because the AutoMARK is > > used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > feedback to > > correct these kinds of problems. > > MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > complaints as they > > arise. > > > > Accessible Polling Places > > > > Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > money to assist > > with > > the purchase of accessible equipment like the > AutoMARK, but also > > to help municipalities > > make their polling places physically > accessible. Congress > > recognized that in order for people to use the > accessible voting > > machines, the building must > > also be accessible so voters can access the > polling location and > > voting equipment. It is the local election > officials? > > responsibility to make sure all > > polling locations are accessible on Election > Day. To help cover > > the expense for removing barriers at polling > locations, the > > Michigan BOE administers a > > grant program called Access for All, under the > U.S. Department > > of Health and Human Services with funding > allocated through > > HAVA, > > to help the state comply > > with HAVA. In most circumstances, the > Access for All grants > > cover all costs associated with accessibility > upgrades for > > polling locations. > > > > When Michigan? State Plan to implement > provisions under HAVA > > was > > initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > required to complete an > > accessibility checklist > > to determine whether or not their locations were > accessible. > > This was one of the state? first attempts to > gather information > > on Michigan? polling place > > accessibility. During this time, MPAS and > other organizations > > were working closely with individual election > officials on > > polling location reviews and > > were also training the municipal clerks on the > accessibility > > requirements. MPAS also spent a > considerable amount of time > > assisting clerks with assessing > > the accessibility of their polling locations and > helping them > > apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS > found that the > > accessibility data provided by > > clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > reliable. > > > > MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > (BOE) attention > > and > > shared independent accessibility reviews with > them. The BOE has > > since increased efforts > > to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > communication > > and requiring additional documentation from the > clerks. > > > > In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > polling locations > > randomly, without notifying the election > official in advance. > > After compiling this data on > > polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > of > > inaccessibility became a heightened > concern. Once these > > concerns > > were communicated to the Bureau of > > Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > dramatically > > increasing their involvement in the advancement > of polling place > > accessibility. > > > > This same year, the federal government began > reviewing how the > > states were spending HAVA funds. This > fueled speculation that > > the federal government would > > eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > some states had > > not spent their money, rather placing it in an > account and > > allowing the funds to gain > > interest. Concerned that Congress would > pull the allocated > > funds > > completely, which would prevent municipalities > from accessing > > money to make polling places > > accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > of Elections, > > embarked on a project to ensure 100% > accessibility at all > > Michigan polling places. > > > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > > > In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > of a statewide > > plan to reach 100% polling place > accessibility. MPAS and the > > Bureau of Elections strengthened > > their partnership in order to achieve this > goal. Within this > > plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > locations throughout > > the state. Michigan has > > approximately 3,600 polling places in > total. MPAS had already > > gathered information on 530 polling places prior > to 2010, > > therefore, did not revisit those > > locations (some were initially accessible and > others MPAS worked > > closely with clerks to improve > accessibility. MPAS is still > > working with clerks to bring > > the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > into compliance). > > MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > polling locations in > > 2010. > > > > Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > least 95% of the > > polling places in Michigan. > > > > The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > nearly 25% of the > > polling places that remained physically > inaccessible as required > > by the Americans with > > Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > > > Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > 2,927 were assessed > > between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG > as a benchmark to > > determine physical accessibility, > > over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > locations visited, > > had physical barriers failing to comply with the > ADAAG ? > > barriers > > that create potential > > difficulties to voters with disabilities on > Election Day. > > > > Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > from fully > > participating in all aspects of society because > of their > > disability. This might include > architectural > > barriers, physical barriers, communication > barriers, attitudinal > > barriers, cultural barriers, etc. > Throughout this project, > > MPAS? > > reviews focused primarily > > on physical and external barriers, which are > defined as > > something > > material that blocks passage. Physical > barriers addressed in > > this report include objects > > in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > doorways, > > inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > inaccessible door > > hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > > > Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > 2010, 28% did not > > meet accessibility standards. Based on > discussions with the BOE > > in 2008, when MPAS completed > > the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > notified with a > > letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > they were also > > notified by the Bureau of Elections. > > MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > municipalities > > plans to meet ADA requirements. The > letters contained a > > photograph of the problem area(s), > > along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. > Within a five month > > period, letters were sent to over 440 > municipalities concerning > > approximately 800 polling > > locations. > > > > As shown below, 28% of the polling places > visited in 2010 had > > some type of physical barrier present at the > time of review. > > > > The following chart highlights the most common > number of > > physical > > barriers discovered at each location. > > > > A majority of the locations reviewed had only > one physical > > barrier present. While the largest and > most frequent problem > > was > > related to parking, the types > > of barriers at each location varied as shown in > the following > > chart. > > > > Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > accessible parking > > but no signs posted Parking: > locations that had no parking > > designated or noncompliant access > > aisles Pathway: barriers that > existed between access aisles > > and > > entryway Entrance: problems such as > door width, door > > thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > > etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > ramps, handrails, > > thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election Officials > > > > After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > notified municipal > > clerks of locations where barriers were > discovered. Within a > > four-month period, over 440 > > letters were sent to election officials. > By the end of 2010, > > 88% > > of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > plan of > > correction. > > In addition, MPAS > > provided technical assistance to the election > officials on how > > to > > improve access to their polling location in > order to come into > > compliance. Based on > > the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > us they were > > would make the changes required; 31% corrected > the barriers at > > the polling locations; 9% > > were going to apply for Access for All grant; > and the remaining > > responses varied from clerk using temporary > equipment. > > > > When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > completed, MPAS > > required documentation from each clerk proving > or stating that > > the work had been completed, > > including photographs and/or copies of purchase > orders. A > > majority of the clerks responded either with a > plan of > > correction > > for spring 2011 or with a > > statement that the work was completed. > MPAS is still waiting > > for > > some clerks to confirm that the work was done > sufficiently. > > Once > > the removal of barriers > > at these locations has been verified, MPAS > expects Michigan? > > polling place accessibility rate to rise to > nearly 90 % ?-- > > one of the highest in the nation. > > There remains, however, substantial work to be > completed in the > > city of Detroit in order to reach this > goal. The remaining 12% > > of clerks, who did not respond > > to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > correction, > > will > > become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > accessibility. > > > > NEXT STEPS > > > > While the focus of this report has been on > reaching the 90% > > accessibility rate, there would still be > approximately 10% of > > polling locations in Michigan > > that are not accessible to all voters. > Some clerks disagree > > with > > the findings and MPAS is working with those > clerks. > > > > In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > polling locations > > that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > breaking them > > into > > three categories: failure > > to communicate; work promised but documentation > still needed; > > and > > locations requiring review by MPAS. > > > > MPAS will focus attention on election officials > who have failed > > to respond to MPAS communication attempts. > This may involve > > revisiting the location (some > > clerks correct the problem even when they fail > to respond), > > attending city council/township meetings, filing > official HAVA > > complaints, and/or pursuing > > legal action under different funding > sources. MPAS?goal has > > always been to educate clerks and assist them > with improving > > access first by proposing solutions > > to removing barriers. > > > > In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > monitoring the > > correction plans that election officials have > submitted to > > ensure > > that barriers are removed. > > MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > locations that have > > not been visited yet. > > > > In Summary > > > > Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > between MPAS and > > the > > Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > crucial. The state > > reinforced the necessity of > > accessible elections. They followed up > with each municipality > > whose polling place was noted as being > inaccessible in order to > > determine the jurisdiction's > > planned course of action. In addition, the > BOE coordinated and > > extended Michigan's polling place improvement > grant well into > > the > > fall to assist municipalities > > in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > > > Local election officials can either upgrade > their polling places > > (with or without grant funds), or relocate the > polling place to > > an accessible site. The > > Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > project, they > > have seen a large increase in the number of > municipalities > > applying for grant money. In > > an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > extended the > > typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > additional > > opportunity to respond to MPAS? > > letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > funds. The > > Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > applications, the > > largest amount ever received > > in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant > applications, 66 > > applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > plan of > > correction - 89% of those who applied. > > A large number of municipalities have pledged to > apply when the > > next grant period opens in early 2011. > > > > If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > proposed > > budget > > cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > partnership with the > > Secretary of State, ensuring > > all elections are accessible to all > voters. Additionally, MPAS > > encourages clerks to reach out to local > disability groups for > > future trainings. Listed > > below are additional recommendations moving > forward. > > > > Summary/Recommendations: > > > > ? Local clerks must be > required to notify the Bureau of > > Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > > > ? Accessibility checks > should be completed when clerks > > change polling locations, to verify > accessibility. Reports > > (with > > photographs) should be submitted > > to the Bureau of Elections. > > > > ? New polling locations > must be required to adhere to the > > Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > Guidelines. > > > > ? The advisory committee > in charge of amending the State > > Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > ways to hold > > clerks accountable and implement > > model oversight programs. > > > > ? Access for All grant > money should be available > > throughout > > the year, so accessibility problems can be > addressed anytime > > they > > arise. > > > > ? The Bureau of > Elections and local clerks should continue > > working with disability advocacy organizations > to complete > > year-round polling place accessibility > > audits and training to clerks. > > > > Accessibility Rate by County > > > > Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > > > County > > > > Polling Locations > > > > Visited > > > > Accessible > > > > Barriers Discovered > > > > Percent Visited > > > > % Accessible of those Visited > > > > Now Complete > > > > % Now Accessible > > > > Alcona > > > > 12 > > > > 12 > > > > 8 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 67% > > > > 3 > > > > 92% > > > > Alger > > > > 10 > > > > 10 > > > > 5 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 50% > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > Allegan > > > > 37 > > > > 37 > > > > 35 > > > > 2 > > > > 100% > > > > 95% > > > > 1 > > > > 97% > > > > Alpena > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 8 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 53% > > > > 1 > > > > 60% > > > > Antrim > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 9 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 60% > > > > 2 > > > > 73% > > > > Arenac > > > > 14 > > > > 14 > > > > 10 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 71% > > > > 3 > > > > 93% > > > > Baraga > > > > 8 > > > > 6 > > > > 1 > > > > 5 > > > > 75% > > > > 17% > > > > 1 > > > > 33% > > > > Barry > > > > 23 > > > > 23 > > > > 18 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 78% > > > > 1 > > > > 83% > > > > Bay > > > > 49 > > > > 48 > > > > 36 > > > > 12 > > > > 98% > > > > 75% > > > > 1 > > > > 77% > > > > Benzie > > > > 13 > > > > 13 > > > > 6 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 46% > > > > 4 > > > > 77% > > > > Berrien > > > > 57 > > > > 57 > > > > 43 > > > > 14 > > > > 100% > > > > 75% > > > > 8 > > > > 89% > > > > Branch > > > > 18 > > > > 17 > > > > 9 > > > > 8 > > > > 94% > > > > 53% > > > > 6 > > > > 88% > > > > Calhoun > > > > 46 > > > > 43 > > > > 34 > > > > 9 > > > > 93% > > > > 79% > > > > 3 > > > > 86% > > > > Cass > > > > 19 > > > > 19 > > > > 12 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 63% > > > > 6 > > > > 95% > > > > Charlevoix > > > > 18 > > > > 16 > > > > 10 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79% > > > > 3 > > > > 89% > > > > Oakland > > > > 410 > > > > 380 > > > > 292 > > > > 88 > > > > 93% > > > > 77% > > > > 46 > > > > 89% > > > > Oceana > > > > 18 > > > > 18 > > > > 12 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 67% > > > > 0 > > > > 67% > > > > Ogemaw > > > > 16 > > > > 16 > > > > 10 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 63% > > > > 5 > > > > 94% > > > > Ontonagon > > > > 14 > > > > 10 > > > > 3 > > > > 7 > > > > 71% > > > > 30% > > > > 0 > > > > 30% > > > > Osceola > > > > 18 > > > > 18 > > > > 14 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 78% > > > > 2 > > > > 89% > > > > Oscoda > > > > 6 > > > > 6 > > > > 4 > > > > 2 > > > > 100% > > > > 67% > > > > 1 > > > > 83% > > > > Otsego > > > > 10 > > > > 10 > > > > 7 > > > > 3 > > > > 100% > > > > 70% > > > > 2 > > > > 90% > > > > Ottawa > > > > 88 > > > > 88 > > > > 79 > > > > 9 > > > > 100% > > > > 90% > > > > 5 > > > > 95% > > > > Presque Isle > > > > 16 > > > > 16 > > > > 10 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 63% > > > > 3 > > > > 81% > > > > Roscommon > > > > 11 > > > > 11 > > > > 11 > > > > 0 > > > > 100% > > > > 100% > > > > 0 > > > > 100% > > > > Saginaw > > > > 75 > > > > 75 > > > > 61 > > > > 14 > > > > 100% > > > > 81% > > > > 8 > > > > 92% > > > > Sanilac > > > > 30 > > > > 30 > > > > 26 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 87% > > > > 3 > > > > 97% > > > > Schoolcraft > > > > 10 > > > > 10 > > > > 6 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 60% > > > > 2 > > > > 80% > > > > Shiawassee > > > > 27 > > > > 27 > > > > 17 > > > > 10 > > > > 100% > > > > 63% > > > > 3 > > > > 74% > > > > St. Clair > > > > 52 > > > > 48 > > > > 44 > > > > 4 > > > > 92% > > > > 92% > > > > 3 > > > > 98% > > > > St. Joseph > > > > 17 > > > > 17 > > > > 12 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 71% > > > > 2 > > > > 82% > > > > Tuscola > > > > 25 > > > > 24 > > > > 16 > > > > 8 > > > > 96% > > > > 67% > > > > 2 > > > > 75% > > > > Van Buren > > > > 23 > > > > 22 > > > > 19 > > > > 3 > > > > 96% > > > > 86% > > > > 1 > > > > 91% > > > > Washtenaw > > > > 106 > > > > 100 > > > > 70 > > > > 30 > > > > 94% > > > > 70% > > > > 0 > > > > 70% > > > > Wayne > > > > 568 > > > > 519 > > > > 325 > > > > 194 > > > > 91% > > > > 63% > > > > 28 > > > > 68% > > > > Wexford > > > > 20 > > > > 20 > > > > 14 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 70% > > > > 1 > > > > 75% > > > > Total > > > > 3635 > > > > 3457 > > > > 2579 > > > > 878 > > > > 95.10% > > > > 74.60% > > > > 289 > > > > 83% > > > > table end > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > > From: Katie Wang > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Chris, there is no Download button on Web > Braille. Instead, when you > > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > on your Braille > > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > to save the > > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves > each braille volume > > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > this multiple > > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > than one volume. > > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > it a great > > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > more in the past > > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > larger, more > > current collection. > > Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > on your end-- It > > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest > contacting your state > > NLS library again and see if they can get you > some sort of technical > > support contact info. Someone from the central program > that > > administers the Web Braille service might need to look > into your > > situation. > > Hope this helps! > > Katie > > > > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: > > > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > in it says my user > > > name and password is wrong. I have called and > gotten it changed three > > > times and it still says it. wonder what I am > doing wrong. > > > > > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > users! I recently > > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking > forward to all it has > > >> to offer. But I do have this question: > when I click on a link > > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, > or something where I > > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my > BrailleNote? I tried to > > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together > last night, and when > > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the > actual book to read > > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to > read it in my > > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later > date. How can I do this? > > >> Thanks! > > >> > > >> Chris > > >> > > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > (Camp Abilities motto) > > >> > > >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say > "I can!" How? Click > > >> on this link to learn more and to > contribute: > > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > Facebook at I C.A.N. > > >> Foundation. > > >> > > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lea Williams > > > > > > Phone; > > > 704-732-4470 > > > Skipe; > > > Lea.williams738 > > > Facebook > > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > > > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi all, > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers > generally write first > > person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update > it? Is it possible to > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted > > help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > family. I figured > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there? Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you > update it? Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Joshua, > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > to discuss something > > common? > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > This would be a good idea if I had several > people interested in a forum. > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that > was one of the things I > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to > post online, I'd like > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > are accessible. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there? Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you > update it? Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > > From: Elizabeth > > To: > > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > Convention > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > the help they have > > provided me over the past week. However, I thought I > would also send out a > > general message to thank anyone I may have missed > along the way. My > > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > go, but it was exactly > > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > such a public email > > list. > > > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this > list was before > > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > already said what > > happened, or at least their version of the story. > However, I have already > > shared my version of the story about a million times > by now, so if you are > > curious as to what happened, you will just have to > wait for another time. > > > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I > just wanted to show > > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > the way. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Yes. > > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Joshua, > > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > people to discuss > > something > > > common? > > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > > This would be a good idea if I had several > people interested in a forum. > > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and > that was one of the things > > I > > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to post online, I'd > > like > > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > they are accessible. > > > > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joshua Lester > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > > > Ashley: > > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > blind people? > > > I've found an accessible one. > > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still > > have > > > it.) > > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > more than one blog. > > >> So what accessible sites are there? Do > bloggers generally write first > > >> person stories, or about things they see that > are more objective? > > >> Any of you have a blog? How often do > you update it? Is it possible to > > >> upload photos to it to go along with your > story? Or maybe you need > > sighted > > >> help to post photos? > > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips > need to be in? > > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same > site? Can > > >> you write as much as you want or is there a > word limit? > > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > >> opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > >> > > >> What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks. > > >> Ashley > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Amy Sabo > > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , > > "OF BLIND STUDENTS, > COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > > < > > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > > From: "Humberto Avila" > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > (AIM) was about 2 years > > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > the way, it was the > > FS > > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it > is inaccessible with > > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > using? Which > > operating system? Which version of aim? > > Cheers, Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > > Behalf > > Of Amy Sabo > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > STUDENTS, COLORADO > > ASSOCIATION > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > > From: David Andrews > > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > > > > > > > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > > >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > ************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From bfs1206 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 20:33:53 2011 From: bfs1206 at gmail.com (Brianna Scerenscko) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:33:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <000701cc4008$c5b548d0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <1310412991.9649.YahooMailClassic@web162020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000701cc4008$c5b548d0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Considering I live in Florida and I plan to stay in FL to finish my batchlers degree; that makes me happy. :) On 7/11/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello everyone, > > The 2012 convention will be in Dallas. The six conventions following 2012 > will all be in Orlando. Cool!! > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anmol Bhatia" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > > The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six years. > > > > --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > >> From: Rachael Vacanti >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >> I agree with Chris and Sherri. >> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >> beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't >> leave until the next >> Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun >> right? Wrong. I didn't get out >> of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the >> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? >> Because there were too many >> things to do at convention. Convention was awesome >> and I had a great time, >> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >> more. I looked at >> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >> "required". General >> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >> >> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >> announce the state >> cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >> once and I don't think >> he even told me where it was. The states should get >> them sorted out before >> convention and email their state this is when and where it >> is. I know that >> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >> they did a very good >> job. For my first time, it was pretty good. >> >> Rachael >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, >> wrote: >> >> > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >> visit >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body >> 'help' to >> > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >> more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >> > 2. Re: question about brail to word >> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >> > 3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day in mi >> > (Josh Gregory) >> > 4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >> (Katie Wang) >> > 5. accessible blog and journal sites >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> > 6. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> > 7. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> > 8. Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention (Elizabeth) >> > 9. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> > 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >> > 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >> > 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> > From: Chris Nusbaum >> > To: NABS list , >> NFBMD list , >> > NFB >> > history list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >> 5 years >> > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> > >> > >> > >> > ---- Original Message ------ >> > From: "Sherri" > > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> > >> > It was announced at the convention that conventions >> from 2013 >> > through 2017 >> > will be held in Orlando. I wish we could extend >> the length of >> > the convention >> > back to how it was and NFB would >> > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon. That >> way, people could >> > get excited >> > about Orlando and have time to go places. I >> liked the old >> > schedule much >> > better. If we are going to keep people here for >> five years in a >> > row, we need >> > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >> all there is >> > to do in >> > Orlando. Besides, I like the banquet the night >> before the last >> > day of >> > convention. >> > >> > >> > Sherri Brun >> > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >> other >> > plans." John >> > Lennon >> > >> > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun >> > >> > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> > NFBF Newsline? chair >> > www.nfbnewsline.org >> > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> > http://nfbfgoc.org >> > Secretary FDCP INC >> > www.fdcp.org >> > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > blindtlk mailing list >> > blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for blindtlk: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. >> > nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> > From: Chris Nusbaum >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> > list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> > >> > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >> of the >> > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >> the BN and >> > ask questions when they're having technical >> problems. Here's the >> > link: >> www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. >> In >> > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >> to the BN >> > list and forward you any responses off list. >> Hope this helps! >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> > Foundation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Humberto Avila" > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> > > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> > >> > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >> format >> > documents into word >> > documents. If you want to do so, you will have >> to use your >> > Braille note to >> > do it because there is no program that will translate >> and convert >> > Keyword >> > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >> (.doc) >> > documents, unless >> > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >> and then use >> > a program >> > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >> will need >> > Duxbury >> > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >> license if you >> > don't >> > already have it--you can although try it for free but >> some >> > functions will be >> > disabled) >> > I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to >> send another >> > message off list >> > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >> is good >> > practice for >> > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >> assistive >> > technology. >> > Cheers, Humberto >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf >> > Of Andi >> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> > >> > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >> ask. I use to >> > use my brail >> > >> > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >> wondering if >> > there is a >> > >> > program to change the files from the brail document to >> a word >> > document? >> > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >> simpaler to >> > use the >> > better, but I still want it to do a good job. >> thank you so much >> > for your >> > help. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: David Andrews >> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >> > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org >> > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >> First Portable >> > Camera >> > Reading System to Support Touchscreen >> > >> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >> Reading >> > System >> > to Support Touchscreen >> > for People with Low Vision >> > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >> Inc. ( >> > www.gwmicro.com) >> > and VisionAid International Ltd ( >> > www.visionaid-international.com) >> > are proud to announce the Readit Wand! The >> Readit Wand is a >> > portable >> > camera that >> > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >> documents >> > for >> > the visually impaired. >> > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >> more with >> > ease >> > using the Readit >> > Wand. Everything read with the Readit Wand will >> be read in a >> > clear, >> > human-sounding >> > voice. The ability to read all of these items >> makes Readit Wand >> > the >> > perfect tool >> > for the classroom, at home, or at work. >> > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >> via USB. >> > The >> > 5-megapixel camera >> > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >> recognition >> > in as >> > little as two >> > seconds. The stylish and compact Readit Wand >> allows for >> > automatic >> > multi-language >> > switching when other languages are installed. >> The portability >> > and >> > multiple language >> > support make it the ideal tool for students who are >> learning a >> > foreign language. >> > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >> that >> > allows >> > you to save, load, >> > import, and export documents, including PDFs. >> Importing PDF >> > files >> > into the Readit >> > software enables users to read PDF files that >> originally are >> > inaccessible because >> > they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also >> allows you to >> > save >> > documents as >> > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >> document as an >> > MP3 >> > file to listen >> > to it on your favorite MP3 player. >> > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >> access >> > toolbar >> > designed specifically >> > for low vision users. The toolbar provides the >> ability to adjust >> > the >> > size of the >> > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >> all the basic >> > controls enabling >> > low vision users to capture their document, change the >> view to >> > their >> > preference and >> > more at the click of a button. >> > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >> different >> > types >> > of highlights, >> > as well as six different ways to display text, >> allowing low >> > vision >> > users to customize >> > the software to their personal preference. >> > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >> Wand is the >> > first >> > portable camera >> > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >> users the >> > ability >> > to interact >> > with the software by simply using their fingers! >> This means no >> > more >> > tracking the >> > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the >> user and >> > the >> > Readit software, >> > creating the best possible user experience. >> > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the >> Readit Wand >> > in >> > the U.S., developed >> > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located >> in the >> > UK. Readit Wand will >> > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >> > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >> > www.gwmicro.com, >> > email >> > sales at gwmicro.com >> > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >> > GW Micro, Inc. ( >> > www.gwmicro.com) >> > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology >> industry >> > since 1990, >> > and >> > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> > VisionAid International, Ltd ( >> > www.visionaid-international.com), >> > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, >> effective >> > and >> > simple to use >> > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind >> that make >> > reading a pleasure >> > once again. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. >> > dempsey%40g >> > mail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber >> > t.humberto2 >> > %40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> > sbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 3 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >> > From: Josh Gregory >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> > list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day >> > in mi >> > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> > >> > Hi, >> > OK, my thoughts. They are, at the moment, each >> other's >> > competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment >> anyway, I doubt >> > it. >> > Best, >> > Josh >> > >> > sent from my Apex >> > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> > list> > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> > day in mi >> > >> > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to >> ensure >> > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the >> Help >> > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work >> jointly >> > with ACB on this. What does >> > everyone think? >> > Chris >> > >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> > Foundation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > > > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> > day in mi >> > >> > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > Thoughts on this? >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities >> > motto) >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >> can!" How? Click >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >> at I C.A.N. >> > Foundation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> > ---- Original Message ------ >> > From: "joe harcz Comcast" > > Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >> this day in mi >> > Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >> > >> > A Call to Action ? >> > >> > Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >> with Disabilities >> > Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >> > >> > A Public Report on >> > Polling Place >> > >> > Accessibility in Michigan >> > >> > Public Report by >> > >> > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> > >> > 2011 >> > >> > Acknowledgements >> > >> > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >> is Michigan? >> > designated agency to advocate and protect the >> legal rights of >> > persons with disabilities, mandated >> > by federal and state law. MPAS receives >> funding from the >> > Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >> the center for >> > Mental Health Services ?Substance >> > Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >> the >> > Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >> Social Security >> > Administration, the State of Michigan >> > and from private donations. >> > >> > Funding for this report has been made possible >> through the U.S. >> > Department of Health and Human Services, >> Administration for >> > Children and Families, and the >> > Administration on Developmental >> Disabilities. The contents are >> > the sole responsibility of the author and do not >> necessarily >> > represent the official views >> > of the U.S. Department of Health and Human >> Services. >> > >> > 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, Inc. This >> > publication may be reproduced in part or in its >> entirety for >> > noncommercial purposes as long >> > as appropriate credit is given. >> > >> > Table of Contents >> > >> > Executive >> > >> > >> Summary.......................................................... >> > >> ...................................................5 >> > >> > Midterm >> > >> > >> Report........................................................... >> > >> .........................................................6 >> > >> > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >> > >> > >> Project.......................................................... >> > .........7 >> > >> > Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election >> > >> Officials......................................10 >> > >> > Next >> > >> > >> Steps............................................................ >> > >> ..............................................................11 >> > >> > In >> > >> > >> Summary.......................................................... >> > >> ..............................................................11 >> > >> > Accessibility Rate Per >> > >> > >> County........................................................... >> > ................................13 >> > >> > Executive Summary >> > >> > In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >> obstacles at voting >> > locations often because their polling place >> lacks physical >> > accessibility. The Help America >> > Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >> obstacles faced by >> > voters >> > with disabilities and authorized funding for the >> federally >> > mandated Protection and Advocacy >> > Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >> barriers. >> > Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >> targeted for >> > elimination in the President? proposed >> > 2012 budget. >> > >> > HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, (MPAS), >> > and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >> with helping to ensure >> > the full participation of >> > individuals with disabilities in the electoral >> process, >> > including >> > registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >> accessing polling >> > places. >> > >> > The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >> that every >> > eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >> to their >> > polling >> > location and has the opportunity >> > to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS >> staff members are on >> > the ground providing advice, technical >> assistance, and training >> > to election officials about >> > voting accessibility across the spectrum of >> disabilities. The >> > agency also provides outreach and training to >> voters with >> > disabilities, poll workers, and >> > service providers. MPAS and the Secretary >> of State of Michigan >> > partnered over the past six years working toward >> this goal, >> > which >> > has been effective in >> > increasing physical access to polling locations >> throughout >> > Michigan. >> > >> > Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >> United States >> > Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >> subject to intense >> > public scrutiny each election >> > cycle. Provisions within these protections >> prohibit >> > discrimination against people with disabilities >> in the electoral >> > process. Exercising their Constitutional >> > right, however, has continued to be a challenge >> for individuals >> > with disabilities despite changes made to >> federal and state laws >> > intended to ensure full >> > participation. >> > >> > Key Summary >> > >> > ? Disability advocates >> have visited 95% (3,457) and >> > reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >> Michigan. >> > >> > ? Upon initial review, >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> > Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >> polling places >> > were >> > compliant under the Americans >> > with Disabilities Act. >> > >> > ? After working with >> state and local officials, it is >> > anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >> will be increased >> > to 90% in 2012. >> > >> > ? Of the locations that >> were inaccessible, 60% had one >> > barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >> had three or more >> > types of barriers. >> > >> > ? Only six of the 84 >> counties in Michigan were 100% >> > physically accessible upon initial visit. >> > >> > ? MPAS continues to >> receive complaints regarding the >> > AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >> device. >> > >> > Michigan has made great strides toward >> accessibility at the >> > polls. This report will highlight the >> steps taken to ensure >> > that >> > all polling locations throughout >> > Michigan are accessible to voters with >> disabilities. In >> > addition, the report will offer recommendations >> for Michigan to >> > achieve and maintain an accessibility >> > rate of 100%. >> > >> > 2010 Mid Term Report >> > >> > Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >> the country, >> > Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >> in 2002. HAVA >> > included sweeping legislation >> > intended to modernize the electoral system for >> all voters, >> > including those with disabilities. The >> Help America Vote Act >> > reinforced the application of >> > Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >> and Section 504 >> > of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in >> 2004, Michigan >> > lawmakers amended Michigan election >> > law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >> removal of physical >> > barriers at polling locations. >> Irrespective of both federal and >> > state law, 25% of Michigan's >> > voting locations continued to be inaccessible >> for the November >> > 2010 general election. To achieve an >> all-encompassing voting >> > standard for the fifty states, >> > HAVA included two key components for the >> disability community: >> > >> > ? All polling places >> must have at least one voting system >> > which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >> privately and >> > independently, whether or not one >> > has a disability. >> > >> > ? States must ensure >> accessibility at all public polling >> > places in a manner compliant with the Americans >> with >> > Disabilities >> > Act (ADA). >> > >> > Accessible Voting System >> > >> > In 2004, the disability community and the >> Michigan Secretary of >> > State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >> assessing which >> > accessible device would best >> > fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >> selected the >> > AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible >> ballot marking device >> > that can be used by all voters >> > with or without disabilities. >> > >> > Although every polling location is equipped with >> the AutoMARK, >> > each municipality is responsible for making sure >> it is set up >> > and >> > operating properly. Unfortunately, >> > MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >> AutoMARK. Voter >> > complaints have included the following: >> the AutoMARK was boxed >> > up on Election Day, unplugged, >> > jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >> could see the >> > ?ecret?ballot. Complaints concerning >> jammed ballots have been >> > greatly reduced since the >> > last round of updates were completed. >> Because the AutoMARK is >> > used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >> feedback to >> > correct these kinds of problems. >> > MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >> complaints as they >> > arise. >> > >> > Accessible Polling Places >> > >> > Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >> money to assist >> > with >> > the purchase of accessible equipment like the >> AutoMARK, but also >> > to help municipalities >> > make their polling places physically >> accessible. Congress >> > recognized that in order for people to use the >> accessible voting >> > machines, the building must >> > also be accessible so voters can access the >> polling location and >> > voting equipment. It is the local election >> officials? >> > responsibility to make sure all >> > polling locations are accessible on Election >> Day. To help cover >> > the expense for removing barriers at polling >> locations, the >> > Michigan BOE administers a >> > grant program called Access for All, under the >> U.S. Department >> > of Health and Human Services with funding >> allocated through >> > HAVA, >> > to help the state comply >> > with HAVA. In most circumstances, the >> Access for All grants >> > cover all costs associated with accessibility >> upgrades for >> > polling locations. >> > >> > When Michigan? State Plan to implement >> provisions under HAVA >> > was >> > initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >> required to complete an >> > accessibility checklist >> > to determine whether or not their locations were >> accessible. >> > This was one of the state? first attempts to >> gather information >> > on Michigan? polling place >> > accessibility. During this time, MPAS and >> other organizations >> > were working closely with individual election >> officials on >> > polling location reviews and >> > were also training the municipal clerks on the >> accessibility >> > requirements. MPAS also spent a >> considerable amount of time >> > assisting clerks with assessing >> > the accessibility of their polling locations and >> helping them >> > apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS >> found that the >> > accessibility data provided by >> > clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >> reliable. >> > >> > MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >> (BOE) attention >> > and >> > shared independent accessibility reviews with >> them. The BOE has >> > since increased efforts >> > to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >> communication >> > and requiring additional documentation from the >> clerks. >> > >> > In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >> polling locations >> > randomly, without notifying the election >> official in advance. >> > After compiling this data on >> > polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >> of >> > inaccessibility became a heightened >> concern. Once these >> > concerns >> > were communicated to the Bureau of >> > Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >> dramatically >> > increasing their involvement in the advancement >> of polling place >> > accessibility. >> > >> > This same year, the federal government began >> reviewing how the >> > states were spending HAVA funds. This >> fueled speculation that >> > the federal government would >> > eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >> some states had >> > not spent their money, rather placing it in an >> account and >> > allowing the funds to gain >> > interest. Concerned that Congress would >> pull the allocated >> > funds >> > completely, which would prevent municipalities >> from accessing >> > money to make polling places >> > accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >> of Elections, >> > embarked on a project to ensure 100% >> accessibility at all >> > Michigan polling places. >> > >> > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >> > >> > In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >> of a statewide >> > plan to reach 100% polling place >> accessibility. MPAS and the >> > Bureau of Elections strengthened >> > their partnership in order to achieve this >> goal. Within this >> > plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >> locations throughout >> > the state. Michigan has >> > approximately 3,600 polling places in >> total. MPAS had already >> > gathered information on 530 polling places prior >> to 2010, >> > therefore, did not revisit those >> > locations (some were initially accessible and >> others MPAS worked >> > closely with clerks to improve >> accessibility. MPAS is still >> > working with clerks to bring >> > the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >> into compliance). >> > MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >> polling locations in >> > 2010. >> > >> > Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >> least 95% of the >> > polling places in Michigan. >> > >> > The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >> nearly 25% of the >> > polling places that remained physically >> inaccessible as required >> > by the Americans with >> > Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >> > >> > Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >> 2,927 were assessed >> > between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG >> as a benchmark to >> > determine physical accessibility, >> > over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >> locations visited, >> > had physical barriers failing to comply with the >> ADAAG ? >> > barriers >> > that create potential >> > difficulties to voters with disabilities on >> Election Day. >> > >> > Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >> from fully >> > participating in all aspects of society because >> of their >> > disability. This might include >> architectural >> > barriers, physical barriers, communication >> barriers, attitudinal >> > barriers, cultural barriers, etc. >> Throughout this project, >> > MPAS? >> > reviews focused primarily >> > on physical and external barriers, which are >> defined as >> > something >> > material that blocks passage. Physical >> barriers addressed in >> > this report include objects >> > in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >> doorways, >> > inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >> inaccessible door >> > hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >> > >> > Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >> 2010, 28% did not >> > meet accessibility standards. Based on >> discussions with the BOE >> > in 2008, when MPAS completed >> > the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >> notified with a >> > letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >> they were also >> > notified by the Bureau of Elections. >> > MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >> municipalities >> > plans to meet ADA requirements. The >> letters contained a >> > photograph of the problem area(s), >> > along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. >> Within a five month >> > period, letters were sent to over 440 >> municipalities concerning >> > approximately 800 polling >> > locations. >> > >> > As shown below, 28% of the polling places >> visited in 2010 had >> > some type of physical barrier present at the >> time of review. >> > >> > The following chart highlights the most common >> number of >> > physical >> > barriers discovered at each location. >> > >> > A majority of the locations reviewed had only >> one physical >> > barrier present. While the largest and >> most frequent problem >> > was >> > related to parking, the types >> > of barriers at each location varied as shown in >> the following >> > chart. >> > >> > Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >> accessible parking >> > but no signs posted Parking: >> locations that had no parking >> > designated or noncompliant access >> > aisles Pathway: barriers that >> existed between access aisles >> > and >> > entryway Entrance: problems such as >> door width, door >> > thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >> > etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >> ramps, handrails, >> > thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >> > >> > Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election Officials >> > >> > After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >> notified municipal >> > clerks of locations where barriers were >> discovered. Within a >> > four-month period, over 440 >> > letters were sent to election officials. >> By the end of 2010, >> > 88% >> > of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >> plan of >> > correction. >> > In addition, MPAS >> > provided technical assistance to the election >> officials on how >> > to >> > improve access to their polling location in >> order to come into >> > compliance. Based on >> > the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >> us they were >> > would make the changes required; 31% corrected >> the barriers at >> > the polling locations; 9% >> > were going to apply for Access for All grant; >> and the remaining >> > responses varied from clerk using temporary >> equipment. >> > >> > When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >> completed, MPAS >> > required documentation from each clerk proving >> or stating that >> > the work had been completed, >> > including photographs and/or copies of purchase >> orders. A >> > majority of the clerks responded either with a >> plan of >> > correction >> > for spring 2011 or with a >> > statement that the work was completed. >> MPAS is still waiting >> > for >> > some clerks to confirm that the work was done >> sufficiently. >> > Once >> > the removal of barriers >> > at these locations has been verified, MPAS >> expects Michigan? >> > polling place accessibility rate to rise to >> nearly 90 % ?-- >> > one of the highest in the nation. >> > There remains, however, substantial work to be >> completed in the >> > city of Detroit in order to reach this >> goal. The remaining 12% >> > of clerks, who did not respond >> > to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >> correction, >> > will >> > become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >> accessibility. >> > >> > NEXT STEPS >> > >> > While the focus of this report has been on >> reaching the 90% >> > accessibility rate, there would still be >> approximately 10% of >> > polling locations in Michigan >> > that are not accessible to all voters. >> Some clerks disagree >> > with >> > the findings and MPAS is working with those >> clerks. >> > >> > In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >> polling locations >> > that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >> breaking them >> > into >> > three categories: failure >> > to communicate; work promised but documentation >> still needed; >> > and >> > locations requiring review by MPAS. >> > >> > MPAS will focus attention on election officials >> who have failed >> > to respond to MPAS communication attempts. >> This may involve >> > revisiting the location (some >> > clerks correct the problem even when they fail >> to respond), >> > attending city council/township meetings, filing >> official HAVA >> > complaints, and/or pursuing >> > legal action under different funding >> sources. MPAS?goal has >> > always been to educate clerks and assist them >> with improving >> > access first by proposing solutions >> > to removing barriers. >> > >> > In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >> monitoring the >> > correction plans that election officials have >> submitted to >> > ensure >> > that barriers are removed. >> > MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >> locations that have >> > not been visited yet. >> > >> > In Summary >> > >> > Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >> between MPAS and >> > the >> > Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >> crucial. The state >> > reinforced the necessity of >> > accessible elections. They followed up >> with each municipality >> > whose polling place was noted as being >> inaccessible in order to >> > determine the jurisdiction's >> > planned course of action. In addition, the >> BOE coordinated and >> > extended Michigan's polling place improvement >> grant well into >> > the >> > fall to assist municipalities >> > in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> > >> > Local election officials can either upgrade >> their polling places >> > (with or without grant funds), or relocate the >> polling place to >> > an accessible site. The >> > Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >> project, they >> > have seen a large increase in the number of >> municipalities >> > applying for grant money. In >> > an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >> extended the >> > typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >> additional >> > opportunity to respond to MPAS? >> > letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >> funds. The >> > Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >> applications, the >> > largest amount ever received >> > in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant >> applications, 66 >> > applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >> plan of >> > correction - 89% of those who applied. >> > A large number of municipalities have pledged to >> apply when the >> > next grant period opens in early 2011. >> > >> > If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >> proposed >> > budget >> > cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >> partnership with the >> > Secretary of State, ensuring >> > all elections are accessible to all >> voters. Additionally, MPAS >> > encourages clerks to reach out to local >> disability groups for >> > future trainings. Listed >> > below are additional recommendations moving >> forward. >> > >> > Summary/Recommendations: >> > >> > ? Local clerks must be >> required to notify the Bureau of >> > Elections prior to relocating polling places. >> > >> > ? Accessibility checks >> should be completed when clerks >> > change polling locations, to verify >> accessibility. Reports >> > (with >> > photographs) should be submitted >> > to the Bureau of Elections. >> > >> > ? New polling locations >> must be required to adhere to the >> > Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >> Guidelines. >> > >> > ? The advisory committee >> in charge of amending the State >> > Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >> ways to hold >> > clerks accountable and implement >> > model oversight programs. >> > >> > ? Access for All grant >> money should be available >> > throughout >> > the year, so accessibility problems can be >> addressed anytime >> > they >> > arise. >> > >> > ? The Bureau of >> Elections and local clerks should continue >> > working with disability advocacy organizations >> to complete >> > year-round polling place accessibility >> > audits and training to clerks. >> > >> > Accessibility Rate by County >> > >> > Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >> > >> > County >> > >> > Polling Locations >> > >> > Visited >> > >> > Accessible >> > >> > Barriers Discovered >> > >> > Percent Visited >> > >> > % Accessible of those Visited >> > >> > Now Complete >> > >> > % Now Accessible >> > >> > Alcona >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > 8 >> > >> > 4 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 67% >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 92% >> > >> > Alger >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 50% >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > Allegan >> > >> > 37 >> > >> > 37 >> > >> > 35 >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 95% >> > >> > 1 >> > >> > 97% >> > >> > Alpena >> > >> > 15 >> > >> > 15 >> > >> > 8 >> > >> > 7 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 53% >> > >> > 1 >> > 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> 92% >> > >> > 92% >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 98% >> > >> > St. Joseph >> > >> > 17 >> > >> > 17 >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 71% >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 82% >> > >> > Tuscola >> > >> > 25 >> > >> > 24 >> > >> > 16 >> > >> > 8 >> > >> > 96% >> > >> > 67% >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 75% >> > >> > Van Buren >> > >> > 23 >> > >> > 22 >> > >> > 19 >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 96% >> > >> > 86% >> > >> > 1 >> > >> > 91% >> > >> > Washtenaw >> > >> > 106 >> > >> > 100 >> > >> > 70 >> > >> > 30 >> > >> > 94% >> > >> > 70% >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 70% >> > >> > Wayne >> > >> > 568 >> > >> > 519 >> > >> > 325 >> > >> > 194 >> > >> > 91% >> > >> > 63% >> > >> > 28 >> > >> > 68% >> > >> > Wexford >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > 14 >> > >> > 6 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 70% >> > >> > 1 >> > >> > 75% >> > >> > Total >> > >> > 3635 >> > >> > 3457 >> > >> > 2579 >> > >> > 878 >> > >> > 95.10% >> > >> > 74.60% >> > >> > 289 >> > >> > 83% >> > >> > table end >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> > sbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 4 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >> > From: Katie Wang >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > Chris, there is no Download button on Web >> Braille. Instead, when you >> > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >> on your Braille >> > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >> to save the >> > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >> each braille volume >> > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >> this multiple >> > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >> than one volume. >> > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >> it a great >> > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >> more in the past >> > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >> larger, more >> > current collection. >> > Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >> on your end-- It >> > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >> contacting your state >> > NLS library again and see if they can get you >> some sort of technical >> > support contact info. Someone from the central program >> that >> > administers the Web Braille service might need to look >> into your >> > situation. >> > Hope this helps! >> > Katie >> > >> > >> > On 7/10/11, Lea williams >> wrote: >> > > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >> in it says my user >> > > name and password is wrong. I have called and >> gotten it changed three >> > > times and it still says it. wonder what I am >> doing wrong. >> > > >> > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > >> Hi all, >> > >> >> > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >> users! I recently >> > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >> forward to all it has >> > >> to offer. But I do have this question: >> when I click on a link >> > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >> or something where I >> > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >> BrailleNote? I tried to >> > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >> last night, and when >> > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >> actual book to read >> > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to >> read it in my >> > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >> date. How can I do this? >> > >> Thanks! >> > >> >> > >> Chris >> > >> >> > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >> (Camp Abilities motto) >> > >> >> > >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >> "I can!" How? Click >> > >> on this link to learn more and to >> contribute: >> > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >> Facebook at I C.A.N. >> > >> Foundation. >> > >> >> > >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Lea Williams >> > > >> > > Phone; >> > > 704-732-4470 >> > > Skipe; >> > > Lea.williams738 >> > > Facebook >> > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 5 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> > From: >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> > Message-ID: >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="utf-8" >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >> one blog. >> > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers >> generally write first >> > person stories, or about things they see that are more >> objective? >> > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update >> it? Is it possible to >> > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >> maybe you need sighted >> > help to post photos? >> > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >> be in? >> > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> > you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >> family. I figured >> > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >> myself, life and my >> > opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> > >> > What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> > >> > >> > Thanks. >> > Ashley >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 6 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > Message-ID: >> > > > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> > >> > Ashley: >> > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> > I've found an accessible one. >> > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> > it.) >> > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> > > Hi all, >> > > >> > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> > > So what accessible sites are there? Do >> bloggers generally write first >> > > person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you >> update it? Is it possible to >> > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> > sighted >> > > help to post photos? >> > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> > > you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> > > opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> > > >> > > What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > Ashley >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 7 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> > From: >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > Message-ID: >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >> charset="Windows-1252"; >> > reply-type=original >> > >> > Joshua, >> > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >> to discuss something >> > common? >> > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> > This would be a good idea if I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >> was one of the things I >> > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to >> post online, I'd like >> > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> > >> > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >> are accessible. >> > >> > Ashley >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > >> > Ashley: >> > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> > I've found an accessible one. >> > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> > it.) >> > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> > > Hi all, >> > > >> > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> > > So what accessible sites are there? Do >> bloggers generally write first >> > > person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you >> update it? Is it possible to >> > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> > sighted >> > > help to post photos? >> > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> > > you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> > > opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> > > >> > > What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > Ashley >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 8 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> > From: Elizabeth >> > To: >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention >> > Message-ID: >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > >> > >> > Hello All, >> > >> > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >> the help they have >> > provided me over the past week. However, I thought I >> would also send out a >> > general message to thank anyone I may have missed >> along the way. My >> > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >> go, but it was exactly >> > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >> such a public email >> > list. >> > >> > Since the last time I checked the messages on this >> list was before >> > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >> already said what >> > happened, or at least their version of the story. >> However, I have already >> > shared my version of the story about a million times >> by now, so if you are >> > curious as to what happened, you will just have to >> wait for another time. >> > >> > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I >> just wanted to show >> > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >> the way. >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Elizabeth >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 9 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> > >> > Yes. >> > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >> > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> > > Joshua, >> > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >> people to discuss >> > something >> > > common? >> > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> > > This would be a good idea if I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >> that was one of the things >> > I >> > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to post online, I'd >> > like >> > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> > > >> > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >> they are accessible. >> > > >> > > Ashley >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Joshua Lester >> > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> > > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > > >> > > Ashley: >> > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >> blind people? >> > > I've found an accessible one. >> > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still >> > have >> > > it.) >> > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> > > Blessings, Joshua >> > > >> > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> > >> Hi all, >> > >> >> > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >> more than one blog. >> > >> So what accessible sites are there? Do >> bloggers generally write first >> > >> person stories, or about things they see that >> are more objective? >> > >> Any of you have a blog? How often do >> you update it? Is it possible to >> > >> upload photos to it to go along with your >> story? Or maybe you need >> > sighted >> > >> help to post photos? >> > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips >> need to be in? >> > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same >> site? Can >> > >> you write as much as you want or is there a >> word limit? >> > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> > >> opinions on things like books, technology, >> and religion. >> > >> >> > >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Thanks. >> > >> Ashley >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 10 >> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >> > From: Amy Sabo >> > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , >> > "OF BLIND STUDENTS, >> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> > Message-ID: >> > < >> > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net >> > > >> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> > >> > hello all, >> > >> > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is >> there a way in where i >> > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> > >> > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> > >> > >> > hugs, >> > amy >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 11 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> > From: "Humberto Avila" >> > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> > Message-ID: >> <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="us-ascii" >> > >> > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >> (AIM) was about 2 years >> > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >> the way, it was the >> > FS >> > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it >> is inaccessible with >> > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >> using? Which >> > operating system? Which version of aim? >> > Cheers, Humberto >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> > Behalf >> > Of Amy Sabo >> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >> > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >> STUDENTS, COLORADO >> > ASSOCIATION >> > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> > >> > hello all, >> > >> > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is >> there a way in where i >> > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> > >> > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> > >> > >> > hugs, >> > amy >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> > %40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 12 >> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >> > From: David Andrews >> > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >> > Message-ID: >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >> format=flowed >> > >> > >> > > >> > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >> > >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >> > >Thanks, >> > > >> > >Brian >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> > >> > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> > ************************************** >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%40gmail.com > -- Brianna Scerenscko From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Mon Jul 11 21:02:33 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:02:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rachael, The Nebraska affiliate did distribute an email about the kakis before convention. It stated when and where, and usually you can reach one of the Nebraska members during convention to ask for this info. If you aren't receiving emails from NFB-Nebraska, check into that because as a due paying member, you should receive them. Any of the state board members can help you with this, but Mike Hanson is our webmaster, and he distributes all the emails from state. If you aren't receiving these emails and updates, I can even contact him for you, if you wish. I'm glad you were able to experience your first national convention. It is a life-changing experience, and you will have so many memories. I wish I could have gone this year, but my schedule just didn't allow for it. Sorry I missed you at the Omaha picnic, but my sister was in town, and that was the only night we could hang out together. If your in Omaha this summer, I hope you can come to chapter meetings. The July meeting is July 21, but I have to work Jazz on the Green for the Omaha World Herald the same night so I can't make it. I hope all is well with you. Are you attending university this fall? Ross says you're interested in writing? I highly recommend UNO's Writers Workshop program. It is actually one of the few undergrad writer workshop programs in the country, and they have awesome instructors who are all published writers in fiction, poetry and creative nonfiction. I had the most amazing experience in the WRWS program, and I've strengthened my writing skills so much. You should definitely check it out. Talk soon, and hope you're enjoying your summer. Bridgit P Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:28:30 -0600 From: Rachael Vacanti To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I agree with Chris and Sherri. I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't leave until the next Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun right? Wrong. I didn't get out of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the beach, Citywalk and Bubba Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? Because there were too many things to do at convention. Convention was awesome and I had a great time, but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit more. I looked at the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't "required". General sessions didn't start until Wendsday. One thing I think might also help convention, is if they announce the state cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it once and I don't think he even told me where it was. The states should get them sorted out before convention and email their state this is when and where it is. I know that not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but they did a very good job. For my first time, it was pretty good. Rachael From freethaught at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 21:41:53 2011 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:41:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tech exchange Message-ID: <8385B0BD445545F4B9AF7A56ECE8213F@antonioa544aa0> Hi all, Looking to trade a like new Braille Note Apex for your Braille Sense Plus in good condition. Antonio Guimaraes From SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu Mon Jul 11 21:44:58 2011 From: SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu (Salisbury, Justin Mark) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:44:58 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] State Caucuses at National Convention Message-ID: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA0224350B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> I am active with two state affiliates: Connecticut and North Carolina. Both presidents did distribute information about the time, date, and location of the state caucuses at least a week before convention. If you want to see that done, I suggest bringing it up to your state affiliate president. Take care, Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 14 Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to nabs-l at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Convention in Orlando for 5 Years (Rachael Vacanti) 2. Re: Convention in Orlando for 5 Years (Anmol Bhatia) 3. Re: Convention in Orlando for 5 Years (Koby Cox) 4. Re: Convention in Orlando for 5 Years (Peter Donahue) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:28:30 -0600 From: Rachael Vacanti To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I agree with Chris and Sherri. I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't leave until the next Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun right? Wrong. I didn't get out of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the beach, Citywalk and Bubba Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? Because there were too many things to do at convention. Convention was awesome and I had a great time, but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit more. I looked at the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't "required". General sessions didn't start until Wendsday. One thing I think might also help convention, is if they announce the state cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it once and I don't think he even told me where it was. The states should get them sorted out before convention and email their state this is when and where it is. I know that not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but they did a very good job. For my first time, it was pretty good. Rachael On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > 2. Re: question about brail to word program? (Chris Nusbaum) > 3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi > (Josh Gregory) > 4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille (Katie Wang) > 5. accessible blog and journal sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 6. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (Joshua Lester) > 7. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 8. Thanks for the Help at National Convention (Elizabeth) > 9. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (Joshua Lester) > 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: NABS list , NFBMD list , > NFB > history list > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Sherri" Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > It was announced at the convention that conventions from 2013 > through 2017 > will be held in Orlando. I wish we could extend the length of > the convention > back to how it was and NFB would > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon. That way, people could > get excited > about Orlando and have time to go places. I liked the old > schedule much > better. If we are going to keep people here for five years in a > row, we need > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of all there is > to do in > Orlando. Besides, I like the banquet the night before the last > day of > convention. > > > Sherri Brun > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other > plans." John > Lennon > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > NFBF Newsline? chair > www.nfbnewsline.org > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > http://nfbfgoc.org > Secretary FDCP INC > www.fdcp.org > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindtlk: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users of the > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding the BN and > ask questions when they're having technical problems. Here's the > link: www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. In > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question to the BN > list and forward you any responses off list. Hope this helps! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native format > documents into word > documents. If you want to do so, you will have to use your > Braille note to > do it because there is no program that will translate and convert > Keyword > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word (.doc) > documents, unless > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, and then use > a program > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you will need > Duxbury > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the license if you > don't > already have it--you can although try it for free but some > functions will be > disabled) > I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to send another > message off list > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this is good > practice for > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching assistive > technology. > Cheers, Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Andi > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to ask. I use to > use my brail > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was wondering if > there is a > > program to change the files from the brail document to a word > document? > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the simpaler to > use the > better, but I still want it to do a good job. thank you so much > for your > help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable > Camera > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera Reading > System > to Support Touchscreen > for People with Low Vision > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, Inc. ( > www.gwmicro.com) > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.com) > are proud to announce the Readit Wand! 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They are, at the moment, each other's > competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment anyway, I doubt > it. > Best, > Josh > > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this > day in mi > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to ensure > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the Help > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work jointly > with ACB on this. What does > everyone think? > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this > day in mi > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Thoughts on this? > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "joe harcz Comcast" Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi > Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > A Call to Action ? > > Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters with Disabilities > Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > A Public Report on > Polling Place > > Accessibility in Michigan > > Public Report by > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > 2011 > > Acknowledgements > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) is Michigan? > designated agency to advocate and protect the legal rights of > persons with disabilities, mandated > by federal and state law. MPAS receives funding from the > Administration on Developmental Disabilities, the center for > Mental Health Services ?Substance > Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the > Rehabilitation Services Administration, the Social Security > Administration, the State of Michigan > and from private donations. > > Funding for this report has been made possible through the U.S. > Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for > Children and Families, and the > Administration on Developmental Disabilities. The contents are > the sole responsibility of the author and do not necessarily > represent the official views > of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. > > 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. This > publication may be reproduced in part or in its entirety for > noncommercial purposes as long > as appropriate credit is given. > > Table of Contents > > Executive > > Summary.......................................................... > ...................................................5 > > Midterm > > Report........................................................... > .........................................................6 > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > Project.......................................................... > .........7 > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election > Officials......................................10 > > Next > > Steps............................................................ > ..............................................................11 > > In > > Summary.......................................................... > ..............................................................11 > > Accessibility Rate Per > > County........................................................... > ................................13 > > Executive Summary > > In Michigan, voters with disabilities face obstacles at voting > locations often because their polling place lacks physical > accessibility. The Help America > Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique obstacles faced by > voters > with disabilities and authorized funding for the federally > mandated Protection and Advocacy > Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove barriers. > Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been targeted for > elimination in the President? proposed > 2012 budget. > > HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, (MPAS), > and other Protection & Advocacy agencies with helping to ensure > the full participation of > individuals with disabilities in the electoral process, > including > registering to vote, casting a ballot, and accessing polling > places. > > The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure that every > eligible Michigan resident receives equal access to their > polling > location and has the opportunity > to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS staff members are on > the ground providing advice, technical assistance, and training > to election officials about > voting accessibility across the spectrum of disabilities. The > agency also provides outreach and training to voters with > disabilities, poll workers, and > service providers. MPAS and the Secretary of State of Michigan > partnered over the past six years working toward this goal, > which > has been effective in > increasing physical access to polling locations throughout > Michigan. > > Voting is a fundamental right protected by the United States > Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and subject to intense > public scrutiny each election > cycle. Provisions within these protections prohibit > discrimination against people with disabilities in the electoral > process. Exercising their Constitutional > right, however, has continued to be a challenge for individuals > with disabilities despite changes made to federal and state laws > intended to ensure full > participation. > > Key Summary > > ? Disability advocates have visited 95% (3,457) and > reviewed the exterior of polling locations in Michigan. > > ? Upon initial review, Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan polling places > were > compliant under the Americans > with Disabilities Act. > > ? After working with state and local officials, it is > anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate will be increased > to 90% in 2012. > > ? Of the locations that were inaccessible, 60% had one > barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% had three or more > types of barriers. > > ? Only six of the 84 counties in Michigan were 100% > physically accessible upon initial visit. > > ? MPAS continues to receive complaints regarding the > AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking device. > > Michigan has made great strides toward accessibility at the > polls. This report will highlight the steps taken to ensure > that > all polling locations throughout > Michigan are accessible to voters with disabilities. In > addition, the report will offer recommendations for Michigan to > achieve and maintain an accessibility > rate of 100%. > > 2010 Mid Term Report > > Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout the country, > Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) in 2002. HAVA > included sweeping legislation > intended to modernize the electoral system for all voters, > including those with disabilities. The Help America Vote Act > reinforced the application of > Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act and Section 504 > of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in 2004, Michigan > lawmakers amended Michigan election > law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the removal of physical > barriers at polling locations. Irrespective of both federal and > state law, 25% of Michigan's > voting locations continued to be inaccessible for the November > 2010 general election. To achieve an all-encompassing voting > standard for the fifty states, > HAVA included two key components for the disability community: > > ? All polling places must have at least one voting system > which allows all citizens to cast a ballot privately and > independently, whether or not one > has a disability. > > ? States must ensure accessibility at all public polling > places in a manner compliant with the Americans with > Disabilities > Act (ADA). > > Accessible Voting System > > In 2004, the disability community and the Michigan Secretary of > State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully assessing which > accessible device would best > fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 selected the > AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible ballot marking device > that can be used by all voters > with or without disabilities. > > Although every polling location is equipped with the AutoMARK, > each municipality is responsible for making sure it is set up > and > operating properly. Unfortunately, > MPAS continues to receive complaints about the AutoMARK. Voter > complaints have included the following: the AutoMARK was boxed > up on Election Day, unplugged, > jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters could see the > ?ecret?ballot. Complaints concerning jammed ballots have been > greatly reduced since the > last round of updates were completed. Because the AutoMARK is > used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter feedback to > correct these kinds of problems. > MPAS continues to monitor and respond to complaints as they > arise. > > Accessible Polling Places > > Under HAVA, the federal government allocated money to assist > with > the purchase of accessible equipment like the AutoMARK, but also > to help municipalities > make their polling places physically accessible. Congress > recognized that in order for people to use the accessible voting > machines, the building must > also be accessible so voters can access the polling location and > voting equipment. It is the local election officials? > responsibility to make sure all > polling locations are accessible on Election Day. To help cover > the expense for removing barriers at polling locations, the > Michigan BOE administers a > grant program called Access for All, under the U.S. Department > of Health and Human Services with funding allocated through > HAVA, > to help the state comply > with HAVA. In most circumstances, the Access for All grants > cover all costs associated with accessibility upgrades for > polling locations. > > When Michigan? State Plan to implement provisions under HAVA > was > initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were required to complete an > accessibility checklist > to determine whether or not their locations were accessible. > This was one of the state? first attempts to gather information > on Michigan? polling place > accessibility. During this time, MPAS and other organizations > were working closely with individual election officials on > polling location reviews and > were also training the municipal clerks on the accessibility > requirements. MPAS also spent a considerable amount of time > assisting clerks with assessing > the accessibility of their polling locations and helping them > apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS found that the > accessibility data provided by > clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly reliable. > > MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? (BOE) attention > and > shared independent accessibility reviews with them. The BOE has > since increased efforts > to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving communication > and requiring additional documentation from the clerks. > > In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal polling locations > randomly, without notifying the election official in advance. > After compiling this data on > polling locations statewide, the systemic issue of > inaccessibility became a heightened concern. Once these > concerns > were communicated to the Bureau of > Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 dramatically > increasing their involvement in the advancement of polling place > accessibility. > > This same year, the federal government began reviewing how the > states were spending HAVA funds. This fueled speculation that > the federal government would > eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since some states had > not spent their money, rather placing it in an account and > allowing the funds to gain > interest. Concerned that Congress would pull the allocated > funds > completely, which would prevent municipalities from accessing > money to make polling places > accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau of Elections, > embarked on a project to ensure 100% accessibility at all > Michigan polling places. > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > In 2010, Michigan started building the framework of a statewide > plan to reach 100% polling place accessibility. MPAS and the > Bureau of Elections strengthened > their partnership in order to achieve this goal. Within this > plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all locations throughout > the state. Michigan has > approximately 3,600 polling places in total. MPAS had already > gathered information on 530 polling places prior to 2010, > therefore, did not revisit those > locations (some were initially accessible and others MPAS worked > closely with clerks to improve accessibility. MPAS is still > working with clerks to bring > the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations into compliance). > MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 polling locations in > 2010. > > Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at least 95% of the > polling places in Michigan. > > The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed nearly 25% of the > polling places that remained physically inaccessible as required > by the Americans with > Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, 2,927 were assessed > between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG as a benchmark to > determine physical accessibility, > over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 locations visited, > had physical barriers failing to comply with the ADAAG ? > barriers > that create potential > difficulties to voters with disabilities on Election Day. > > Barriers can prevent people with disabilities from fully > participating in all aspects of society because of their > disability. This might include architectural > barriers, physical barriers, communication barriers, attitudinal > barriers, cultural barriers, etc. Throughout this project, > MPAS? > reviews focused primarily > on physical and external barriers, which are defined as > something > material that blocks passage. Physical barriers addressed in > this report include objects > in the environment such as inaccessible doors or doorways, > inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, inaccessible door > hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in 2010, 28% did not > meet accessibility standards. Based on discussions with the BOE > in 2008, when MPAS completed > the unannounced visits, clerks were not only notified with a > letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but they were also > notified by the Bureau of Elections. > MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the municipalities > plans to meet ADA requirements. The letters contained a > photograph of the problem area(s), > along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. Within a five month > period, letters were sent to over 440 municipalities concerning > approximately 800 polling > locations. > > As shown below, 28% of the polling places visited in 2010 had > some type of physical barrier present at the time of review. > > The following chart highlights the most common number of > physical > barriers discovered at each location. > > A majority of the locations reviewed had only one physical > barrier present. While the largest and most frequent problem > was > related to parking, the types > of barriers at each location varied as shown in the following > chart. > > Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had accessible parking > but no signs posted Parking: locations that had no parking > designated or noncompliant access > aisles Pathway: barriers that existed between access aisles > and > entryway Entrance: problems such as door width, door > thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, ramps, handrails, > thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election Officials > > After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS notified municipal > clerks of locations where barriers were discovered. Within a > four-month period, over 440 > letters were sent to election officials. By the end of 2010, > 88% > of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a plan of > correction. > In addition, MPAS > provided technical assistance to the election officials on how > to > improve access to their polling location in order to come into > compliance. Based on > the responses received from clerks, 43% informed us they were > would make the changes required; 31% corrected the barriers at > the polling locations; 9% > were going to apply for Access for All grant; and the remaining > responses varied from clerk using temporary equipment. > > When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was completed, MPAS > required documentation from each clerk proving or stating that > the work had been completed, > including photographs and/or copies of purchase orders. A > majority of the clerks responded either with a plan of > correction > for spring 2011 or with a > statement that the work was completed. MPAS is still waiting > for > some clerks to confirm that the work was done sufficiently. > Once > the removal of barriers > at these locations has been verified, MPAS expects Michigan? > polling place accessibility rate to rise to nearly 90 % ?-- > one of the highest in the nation. > There remains, however, substantial work to be completed in the > city of Detroit in order to reach this goal. The remaining 12% > of clerks, who did not respond > to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of correction, > will > become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% accessibility. > > NEXT STEPS > > While the focus of this report has been on reaching the 90% > accessibility rate, there would still be approximately 10% of > polling locations in Michigan > that are not accessible to all voters. Some clerks disagree > with > the findings and MPAS is working with those clerks. > > In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of polling locations > that are still recorded as being inaccessible, breaking them > into > three categories: failure > to communicate; work promised but documentation still needed; > and > locations requiring review by MPAS. > > MPAS will focus attention on election officials who have failed > to respond to MPAS communication attempts. This may involve > revisiting the location (some > clerks correct the problem even when they fail to respond), > attending city council/township meetings, filing official HAVA > complaints, and/or pursuing > legal action under different funding sources. MPAS?goal has > always been to educate clerks and assist them with improving > access first by proposing solutions > to removing barriers. > > In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to monitoring the > correction plans that election officials have submitted to > ensure > that barriers are removed. > MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling locations that have > not been visited yet. > > In Summary > > Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership between MPAS and > the > Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was crucial. The state > reinforced the necessity of > accessible elections. They followed up with each municipality > whose polling place was noted as being inaccessible in order to > determine the jurisdiction's > planned course of action. In addition, the BOE coordinated and > extended Michigan's polling place improvement grant well into > the > fall to assist municipalities > in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > Local election officials can either upgrade their polling places > (with or without grant funds), or relocate the polling place to > an accessible site. The > Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 project, they > have seen a large increase in the number of municipalities > applying for grant money. In > an effort to assist with the project, the BOE extended the > typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks additional > opportunity to respond to MPAS? > letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant funds. The > Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant applications, the > largest amount ever received > in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant applications, 66 > applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a plan of > correction - 89% of those who applied. > A large number of municipalities have pledged to apply when the > next grant period opens in early 2011. > > If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? proposed > budget > cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the partnership with the > Secretary of State, ensuring > all elections are accessible to all voters. Additionally, MPAS > encourages clerks to reach out to local disability groups for > future trainings. Listed > below are additional recommendations moving forward. > > Summary/Recommendations: > > ? Local clerks must be required to notify the Bureau of > Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > ? Accessibility checks should be completed when clerks > change polling locations, to verify accessibility. Reports > (with > photographs) should be submitted > to the Bureau of Elections. > > ? New polling locations must be required to adhere to the > Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility Guidelines. > > ? The advisory committee in charge of amending the State > Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify ways to hold > clerks accountable and implement > model oversight programs. > > ? Access for All grant money should be available > throughout > the year, so accessibility problems can be addressed anytime > they > arise. > > ? The Bureau of Elections and local clerks should continue > working with disability advocacy organizations to complete > year-round polling place accessibility > audits and training to clerks. > > Accessibility Rate by County > > Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > County > > Polling Locations > > Visited > > Accessible > > Barriers Discovered > > Percent Visited > > % Accessible of those Visited > > Now Complete > > % Now Accessible > > Alcona > > 12 > > 12 > > 8 > > 4 > > 100% > > 67% > > 3 > > 92% > > Alger > > 10 > > 10 > > 5 > > 5 > > 100% > > 50% > > 5 > > 100% > > Allegan > > 37 > > 37 > > 35 > > 2 > > 100% > > 95% > > 1 > > 97% > > Alpena > > 15 > > 15 > > 8 > > 7 > > 100% > > 53% > > 1 > > 60% > > Antrim > > 15 > > 15 > > 9 > > 6 > > 100% > > 60% > > 2 > > 73% > > Arenac > > 14 > > 14 > > 10 > > 4 > > 100% > > 71% > > 3 > > 93% > > Baraga > > 8 > > 6 > > 1 > > 5 > > 75% > > 17% > > 1 > > 33% > > Barry > > 23 > > 23 > > 18 > > 5 > > 100% > > 78% > > 1 > > 83% > > Bay > > 49 > > 48 > > 36 > > 12 > > 98% > > 75% > > 1 > > 77% > > Benzie > > 13 > > 13 > > 6 > > 7 > > 100% > > 46% > > 4 > > 77% > > Berrien > > 57 > > 57 > > 43 > > 14 > > 100% > > 75% > > 8 > > 89% > > Branch > > 18 > > 17 > > 9 > > 8 > > 94% > > 53% > > 6 > > 88% > > Calhoun > > 46 > > 43 > > 34 > > 9 > > 93% > > 79% > > 3 > > 86% > > Cass > > 19 > > 19 > > 12 > > 7 > > 100% > > 63% > > 6 > > 95% > > Charlevoix > > 18 > > 16 > > 10 > > 6 > > 89% > > 63% > > 1 > > 69% > > Cheboygan > > 20 > > 20 > > 14 > > 6 > > 100% > > 70% > > 5 > > 95% > > Chippewa > > 19 > > 18 > > 13 > > 5 > > 95% > > 72% > > 4 > > 94% > > Clare > > 19 > > 16 > > 13 > > 3 > > 84% > > 81% > > 2 > > 94% > > Clinton > > 28 > > 26 > > 24 > > 2 > > 93% > > 92% > > 1 > > 96% > > Crawford > > 7 > > 7 > > 6 > > 1 > > 100% > > 86% > > 0 > > 86% > > Delta > > 21 > > 20 > > 11 > > 9 > > 95% > > 55% > > 1 > > 60% > > Dickinson > > 15 > > 15 > > 6 > > 9 > > 100% > > 40% > > 5 > > 73% > > Eaton > > 36 > > 36 > > 28 > > 8 > > 100% > > 78% > > 2 > > 83% > > Emmet > > 19 > > 19 > > 12 > > 7 > > 100% > > 63% > > 5 > > 89% > > Genesee > > 119 > > 109 > > 84 > > 25 > > 92% > > 77% > > 2 > > 79% > > Gladwin > > 17 > > 17 > > 11 > > 6 > > 100% > > 65% > > 1 > > 71% > > Gogebic > > 10 > > 10 > > 7 > > 3 > > 100% > > 70% > > 2 > > 90% > > Grand Traverse > > 28 > > 27 > > 27 > > 0 > > 96% > > 100% > > 0 > > 100% > > Gratiot > > 23 > > 23 > > 16 > > 7 > > 100% > > 70% > > 2 > > 78% > > Hillsdale > > 21 > > 21 > > 12 > > 9 > > 100% > > 57% > > 3 > > 71% > > Houghton > > 31 > > 22 > > 9 > > 13 > > 71% > > 41% > > 5 > > 64% > > Huron > > 30 > > 29 > > 18 > > 11 > > 97% > > 62% > > 5 > > 79% > > Ingham > > 95 > > 81 > > 78 > > 3 > > 85% > > 96% > > 0 > > 96% > > Ionia > > 22 > > 22 > > 17 > > 5 > > 100% > > 77% > > 1 > > 82% > > Iosco > > 15 > > 15 > > 14 > > 1 > > 100% > > 93% > > 1 > > 100% > > Iron > > 12 > > 12 > > 6 > > 6 > > 100% > > 50% > > 2 > > 67% > > Isabella > > 25 > > 25 > > 19 > > 6 > > 100% > > 76% > > 1 > > 80% > > Jackson > > 47 > > 45 > > 34 > > 11 > > 96% > > 76% > > 2 > > 80% > > Kalamazoo > > 97 > > 97 > > 79 > > 18 > > 100% > > 81% > > 7 > > 89% > > Kalkaska > > 12 > > 12 > > 8 > > 4 > > 100% > > 67% > > 1 > > 75% > > Kent > > 209 > > 207 > > 174 > > 33 > > 99% > > 84% > > 11 > > 89% > > Keweenaw > > 5 > > 4 > > 4 > > 0 > > 80% > > 100% > > 0 > > 100% > > Lake > > 15 > > 15 > > 8 > > 7 > > 100% > > 53% > > 2 > > 67% > > Lapeer > > 24 > > 24 > > 20 > > 4 > > 100% > > 83% > > 2 > > 92% > > Leelanau > > 13 > > 13 > > 8 > > 5 > > 100% > > 62% > > 1 > > 69% > > Lenawee > > 30 > > 30 > > 23 > > 7 > > 100% > > 77% > > 4 > > 90% > > Livingston > > 48 > > 45 > > 35 > > 10 > > 94% > > 78% > > 0 > > 78% > > Luce > > 4 > > 4 > > 3 > > 1 > > 100% > > 75% > > 0 > > 75% > > Mackinac > > 13 > > 10 > > 5 > > 5 > > 77% > > 50% > > 1 > > 60% > > Macomb > > 235 > > 233 > > 188 > > 45 > > 99% > > 81% > > 17 > > 88% > > Manistee > > 15 > > 15 > > 11 > > 4 > > 100% > > 73% > > 3 > > 93% > > Marquette > > 29 > > 29 > > 16 > > 13 > > 100% > > 55% > > 1 > > 59% > > Mason > > 23 > > 23 > > 15 > > 8 > > 100% > > 65% > > 3 > > 78% > > Mecosta > > 22 > > 22 > > 18 > > 4 > > 100% > > 82% > > 1 > > 86% > > Menominee > > 16 > > 14 > > 8 > > 6 > > 88% > > 57% > > 0 > > 57% > > Midland > > 38 > > 29 > > 22 > > 7 > > 76% > > 76% > > 4 > > 90% > > Missaukee > > 17 > > 17 > > 14 > > 3 > > 100% > > 82% > > 3 > > 100% > > Monroe > > 42 > > 36 > > 27 > > 9 > > 86% > > 75% > > 5 > > 89% > > Montcalm > > 26 > > 25 > > 21 > > 4 > > 96% > > 84% > > 2 > > 92% > > Montmorency > > 9 > > 9 > > 7 > > 2 > > 100% > > 78% > > 1 > > 89% > > Muskegon > > 72 > > 71 > > 68 > > 3 > > 99% > > 96% > > 2 > > 99% > > Newaygo > > 28 > > 28 > > 22 > > 6 > > 100% > > 79% > > 3 > > 89% > > Oakland > > 410 > > 380 > > 292 > > 88 > > 93% > > 77% > > 46 > > 89% > > Oceana > > 18 > > 18 > > 12 > > 6 > > 100% > > 67% > > 0 > > 67% > > Ogemaw > > 16 > > 16 > > 10 > > 6 > > 100% > > 63% > > 5 > > 94% > > Ontonagon > > 14 > > 10 > > 3 > > 7 > > 71% > > 30% > > 0 > > 30% > > Osceola > > 18 > > 18 > > 14 > > 4 > > 100% > > 78% > > 2 > > 89% > > Oscoda > > 6 > > 6 > > 4 > > 2 > > 100% > > 67% > > 1 > > 83% > > Otsego > > 10 > > 10 > > 7 > > 3 > > 100% > > 70% > > 2 > > 90% > > Ottawa > > 88 > > 88 > > 79 > > 9 > > 100% > > 90% > > 5 > > 95% > > Presque Isle > > 16 > > 16 > > 10 > > 6 > > 100% > > 63% > > 3 > > 81% > > Roscommon > > 11 > > 11 > > 11 > > 0 > > 100% > > 100% > > 0 > > 100% > > Saginaw > > 75 > > 75 > > 61 > > 14 > > 100% > > 81% > > 8 > > 92% > > Sanilac > > 30 > > 30 > > 26 > > 4 > > 100% > > 87% > > 3 > > 97% > > Schoolcraft > > 10 > > 10 > > 6 > > 4 > > 100% > > 60% > > 2 > > 80% > > Shiawassee > > 27 > > 27 > > 17 > > 10 > > 100% > > 63% > > 3 > > 74% > > St. Clair > > 52 > > 48 > > 44 > > 4 > > 92% > > 92% > > 3 > > 98% > > St. Joseph > > 17 > > 17 > > 12 > > 5 > > 100% > > 71% > > 2 > > 82% > > Tuscola > > 25 > > 24 > > 16 > > 8 > > 96% > > 67% > > 2 > > 75% > > Van Buren > > 23 > > 22 > > 19 > > 3 > > 96% > > 86% > > 1 > > 91% > > Washtenaw > > 106 > > 100 > > 70 > > 30 > > 94% > > 70% > > 0 > > 70% > > Wayne > > 568 > > 519 > > 325 > > 194 > > 91% > > 63% > > 28 > > 68% > > Wexford > > 20 > > 20 > > 14 > > 6 > > 100% > > 70% > > 1 > > 75% > > Total > > 3635 > > 3457 > > 2579 > > 878 > > 95.10% > > 74.60% > > 289 > > 83% > > table end > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > From: Katie Wang > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Chris, there is no Download button on Web Braille. Instead, when you > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s on your Braille > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like to save the > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves each braille volume > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do this multiple > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more than one volume. > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find it a great > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare more in the past > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much larger, more > current collection. > Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong on your end-- It > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest contacting your state > NLS library again and see if they can get you some sort of technical > support contact info. Someone from the central program that > administers the Web Braille service might need to look into your > situation. > Hope this helps! > Katie > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams wrote: > > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log in it says my user > > name and password is wrong. I have called and gotten it changed three > > times and it still says it. wonder what I am doing wrong. > > > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille users! I recently > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking forward to all it has > >> to offer. But I do have this question: when I click on a link > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, or something where I > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my BrailleNote? I tried to > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together last night, and when > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the actual book to read > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to read it in my > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later date. How can I do this? > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > >> > >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > >> Foundation. > >> > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > > > Phone; > > 704-732-4470 > > Skipe; > > Lea.williams738 > > Facebook > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > > person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need > sighted > > help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > > opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > > person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need > sighted > > help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > > opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > From: Elizabeth > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National Convention > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello All, > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for the help they have > provided me over the past week. However, I thought I would also send out a > general message to thank anyone I may have missed along the way. My > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to go, but it was exactly > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on such a public email > list. > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this list was before > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have already said what > happened, or at least their version of the story. However, I have already > shared my version of the story about a million times by now, so if you are > curious as to what happened, you will just have to wait for another time. > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I just wanted to show > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along the way. > > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Yes. > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Joshua, > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss > something > > common? > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things > I > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd > like > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still > have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > >> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first > >> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? > >> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to > >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need > sighted > >> help to post photos? > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > >> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my > >> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. > >> > >> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Ashley > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: Amy Sabo > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , > "OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > < > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) was about 2 years > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by the way, it was the > FS > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it is inaccessible with > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you using? Which > operating system? Which version of aim? > Cheers, Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Amy Sabo > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO > ASSOCIATION > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > >Thanks, > > > >Brian > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > ************************************** > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Anmol Bhatia To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: <1310412991.9649.YahooMailClassic at web162020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six years. --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > I agree with Chris and Sherri.? > I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point.? I flew down Saturday and didn't > leave until the next > Saturday.? You think I'd have time for fun > right?? Wrong.? I didn't get out > of the hotel once.? I meant to go places, like the > beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.? Why?? > Because there were too many > things to do at convention.? Convention was awesome > and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > more.? I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > "required".? General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > announce the state > cacus.? I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > once and I don't think > he even told me where it was.? The states should get > them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where it > is.? I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > they did a very good > job.? For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: > > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > >? ? ? ? nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > >? ? ? ? http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > >? ? ? ? nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > >? ? ? ? nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >???1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > >???2. Re: question about brail to word > program? (Chris Nusbaum) > >???3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day in mi > >? ? ? (Josh Gregory) > >???4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille > (Katie Wang) > >???5. accessible blog and journal sites > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > >???6. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > >???7. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > >???8. Thanks for the Help at National > Convention (Elizabeth) > >???9. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > >? 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > >? 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > >? 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: NABS list , > NFBMD list , > > NFB > >? ? ? ? history list > > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > 5 years > > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > > > > >? ---- Original Message ------ > > From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > > > It was announced at the convention that conventions > from 2013 > > through 2017 > > will be held in Orlando.? I wish we could extend > the length of > > the convention > > back to how it was and NFB would > > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.? That > way, people could > > get excited > > about Orlando and have time to go places.? I > liked the old > > schedule much > > better.? If we are going to keep people here for > five years in a > > row, we need > > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > all there is > > to do in > > Orlando.? Besides, I like the banquet the night > before the last > > day of > > convention. > > > > > > Sherri Brun > > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other > > plans." John > > Lennon > > > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > >? NFBF Newsline? chair > > www.nfbnewsline.org > > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > > http://nfbfgoc.org > > Secretary FDCP INC > > www.fdcp.org > > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindtlk mailing list > > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for blindtlk: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >? ? ? ? list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > of the > > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > the BN and > > ask questions when they're having technical > problems.? Here's the > > link: > www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote.? > In > > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > to the BN > > list and forward you any responses off list.? > Hope this helps! > > > >? Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N.? Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > >? Sent from my BrailleNote > > > >? ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > format > > documents into word > > documents.? If you want to do so, you will have > to use your > > Braille note to > > do it because there is no program that will translate > and convert > > Keyword > > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > (.doc) > > documents, unless > > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > and then use > > a program > > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > will need > > Duxbury > > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > license if you > > don't > > already have it--you can although try it for free but > some > > functions will be > > disabled) > > I hope this was helpful to you.? Feel free to > send another > > message off list > > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > is good > > practice for > > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > assistive > > technology. > > Cheers,? Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > > Of Andi > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > ask.? I use to > > use my brail > > > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > wondering if > > there is a > > > > program to change the files from the brail document to > a word > > document? > > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > simpaler to > > use the > > better, but I still want it to do a good job.? > thank you so much > > for your > > help. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Andrews > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > First Portable > > Camera > > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > Reading > > System > > to Support Touchscreen > > for People with Low Vision > > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > Inc.? ( > > www.gwmicro.com) > > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > > www.visionaid-international.com) > > are proud to announce the Readit Wand!? The > Readit Wand is a > > portable > > camera that > > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read > documents > > for > > the visually impaired. > > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and > more with > > ease > > using the Readit > > Wand.? Everything read with the Readit Wand will > be read in a > > clear, > > human-sounding > > voice.? The ability to read all of these items > makes Readit Wand > > the > > perfect tool > > for the classroom, at home, or at work. > > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects > via USB. > > The > > 5-megapixel camera > > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for > recognition > > in as > > little as two > > seconds.? The stylish and compact Readit Wand > allows for > > automatic > > multi-language > > switching when other languages are installed.? > The portability > > and > > multiple language > > support make it the ideal tool for students who are > learning a > > foreign language. > > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > that > > allows > > you to save, load, > > import, and export documents, including PDFs.? > Importing PDF > > files > > into the Readit > > software enables users to read PDF files that > originally are > > inaccessible because > > they are displayed as graphics.? Readit Wand also > allows you to > > save > > documents as > > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > document as an > > MP3 > > file to listen > > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > access > > toolbar > > designed specifically > > for low vision users.? The toolbar provides the > ability to adjust > > the > > size of the > > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > all the basic > > controls enabling > > low vision users to capture their document, change the > view to > > their > > preference and > > more at the click of a button. > > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > different > > types > > of highlights, > > as well as six different ways to display text, > allowing low > > vision > > users to customize > > the software to their personal preference. > > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > Wand is the > > first > > portable camera > > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > users the > > ability > > to interact > > with the software by simply using their fingers!? > This means no > > more > > tracking the > > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > user and > > the > > Readit software, > > creating the best possible user experience. > > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > Readit Wand > > in > > the U.S., developed > > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > in the > > UK.? Readit Wand will > > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > > www.gwmicro.com, > > email > > sales at gwmicro.com > > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > > GW Micro, Inc.? ( > > www.gwmicro.com) > > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > industry > > since 1990, > > and > > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > > www.visionaid-international.com), > > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > effective > > and > > simple to use > > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > that make > > reading a pleasure > > once again. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. > > dempsey%40g > > mail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > > t.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > > From: Josh Gregory > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >? ? ? ? list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day > >? ? ? ? in mi > > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > Hi, > > OK, my thoughts.? They are, at the moment, each > other's > > competetors/enemies/whatever.? So, at the moment > anyway, I doubt > > it. > > Best, > > Josh > > > > sent from my Apex > > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > > >? ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > ensure > > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > Help > > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > jointly > > with ACB on this.? What does > > everyone think? > >? Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N.? Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > >? Sent from my BrailleNote > > > >? ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > >? Thoughts on this? > > > >? Chris > > > >? "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities > > motto) > > > >? The I C.A.N.? Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > >? Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > can!" How? Click > >? on this link to learn more and to contribute: > >? www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > at I C.A.N. > >? Foundation. > > > > > > > >? Sent from my BrailleNote > > > >? ---- Original Message ------ > >? From: "joe harcz Comcast" >? Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > this day in mi > >? Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > > >? A Call to Action ? > > > >? Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > with Disabilities > >? Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > > >? A Public Report on > >? Polling Place > > > >? Accessibility in Michigan > > > >? Public Report by > > > >? Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > > >? 2011 > > > >? Acknowledgements > > > >? Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > is Michigan? > >? designated agency to advocate and protect the > legal rights of > >? persons with disabilities, mandated > >? by federal and state law.? MPAS receives > funding from the > >? Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > the center for > >? Mental Health Services ?Substance > >? Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > the > >? Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > Social Security > >? Administration, the State of Michigan > >? and from private donations. > > > >? Funding for this report has been made possible > through the U.S. > >? Department of Health and Human Services, > Administration for > >? Children and Families, and the > >? Administration on Developmental > Disabilities.? The contents are > >? the sole responsibility of the author and do not > necessarily > >? represent the official views > >? of the U.S.? Department of Health and Human > Services. > > > >? 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, Inc.? This > >? publication may be reproduced in part or in its > entirety for > >? noncommercial purposes as long > >? as appropriate credit is given. > > > >? Table of Contents > > > >? Executive > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > >? > ...................................................5 > > > >? Midterm > > > > > Report........................................................... > >? > .........................................................6 > > > >? Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > > > > Project.......................................................... > >? .........7 > > > >? Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election > >? > Officials......................................10 > > > >? Next > > > > > Steps............................................................ > >? > ..............................................................11 > > > >? In > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > >? > ..............................................................11 > > > >? Accessibility Rate Per > > > > > County........................................................... > >? ................................13 > > > >? Executive Summary > > > >? In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > obstacles at voting > >? locations often because their polling place > lacks physical > >? accessibility.? The Help America > >? Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > obstacles faced by > > voters > >? with disabilities and authorized funding for the > federally > >? mandated Protection and Advocacy > >? Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > barriers. > >? Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > targeted for > >? elimination in the President? proposed > >? 2012 budget. > > > >? HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, (MPAS), > >? and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > with helping to ensure > >? the full participation of > >? individuals with disabilities in the electoral > process, > > including > >? registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > accessing polling > >? places. > > > >? The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > that every > >? eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > to their > > polling > >? location and has the opportunity > >? to cast an independent secret ballot.? MPAS > staff members are on > >? the ground providing advice, technical > assistance, and training > >? to election officials about > >? voting accessibility across the spectrum of > disabilities.? The > >? agency also provides outreach and training to > voters with > >? disabilities, poll workers, and > >? service providers.? MPAS and the Secretary > of State of Michigan > >? partnered over the past six years working toward > this goal, > > which > >? has been effective in > >? increasing physical access to polling locations > throughout > >? Michigan. > > > >? Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > United States > >? Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > subject to intense > >? public scrutiny each election > >? cycle.? Provisions within these protections > prohibit > >? discrimination against people with disabilities > in the electoral > >? process.? Exercising their Constitutional > >? right, however, has continued to be a challenge > for individuals > >? with disabilities despite changes made to > federal and state laws > >? intended to ensure full > >? participation. > > > >? Key Summary > > > >? ?? ???Disability advocates > have visited 95% (3,457) and > >? reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > Michigan. > > > >? ?? ???Upon initial review, > Michigan Protection and Advocacy > >? Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > polling places > > were > >? compliant under the Americans > >? with Disabilities Act. > > > >? ?? ???After working with > state and local officials, it is > >? anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > will be increased > >? to 90% in 2012. > > > >? ?? ???Of the locations that > were inaccessible, 60% had one > >? barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > had three or more > >? types of barriers. > > > >? ?? ???Only six of the 84 > counties in Michigan were 100% > >? physically accessible upon initial visit. > > > >? ?? ???MPAS continues to > receive complaints regarding the > >? AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > device. > > > >? Michigan has made great strides toward > accessibility at the > >? polls.? This report will highlight the > steps taken to ensure > > that > >? all polling locations throughout > >? Michigan are accessible to voters with > disabilities.? In > >? addition, the report will offer recommendations > for Michigan to > >? achieve and maintain an accessibility > >? rate of 100%. > > > >? 2010 Mid Term Report > > > >? Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > the country, > >? Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > in 2002.? HAVA > >? included sweeping legislation > >? intended to modernize the electoral system for > all voters, > >? including those with disabilities.? The > Help America Vote Act > >? reinforced the application of > >? Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > and Section 504 > >? of the Rehabilitation Act.? Furthermore, in > 2004, Michigan > >? lawmakers amended Michigan election > >? law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > removal of physical > >? barriers at polling locations.? > Irrespective of both federal and > >? state law, 25% of Michigan's > >? voting locations continued to be inaccessible > for the November > >? 2010 general election.? To achieve an > all-encompassing voting > >? standard for the fifty states, > >? HAVA included two key components for the > disability community: > > > >? ?? ???All polling places > must have at least one voting system > >? which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > privately and > >? independently, whether or not one > >? has a disability. > > > >? ?? ???States must ensure > accessibility at all public polling > >? places in a manner compliant with the Americans > with > > Disabilities > >? Act (ADA). > > > >? Accessible Voting System > > > >? In 2004, the disability community and the > Michigan Secretary of > >? State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > assessing which > >? accessible device would best > >? fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > selected the > >? AutoMARK.? The AutoMARK is an accessible > ballot marking device > >? that can be used by all voters > >? with or without disabilities. > > > >? Although every polling location is equipped with > the AutoMARK, > >? each municipality is responsible for making sure > it is set up > > and > >? operating properly.? Unfortunately, > >? MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > AutoMARK.? Voter > >? complaints have included the following:? > the AutoMARK was boxed > >? up on Election Day, unplugged, > >? jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > could see the > >? ?ecret?ballot.? Complaints concerning > jammed ballots have been > >? greatly reduced since the > >? last round of updates were completed.? > Because the AutoMARK is > >? used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > feedback to > >? correct these kinds of problems. > >? MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > complaints as they > >? arise. > > > >? Accessible Polling Places > > > >? Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > money to assist > > with > >? the purchase of accessible equipment like the > AutoMARK, but also > >? to help municipalities > >? make their polling places physically > accessible.? Congress > >? recognized that in order for people to use the > accessible voting > >? machines, the building must > >? also be accessible so voters can access the > polling location and > >? voting equipment.? It is the local election > officials? > >? responsibility to make sure all > >? polling locations are accessible on Election > Day.? To help cover > >? the expense for removing barriers at polling > locations, the > >? Michigan BOE administers a > >? grant program called Access for All, under the > U.S.? Department > >? of Health and Human Services with funding > allocated through > > HAVA, > >? to help the state comply > >? with HAVA.? In most circumstances, the > Access for All grants > >? cover all costs associated with accessibility > upgrades for > >? polling locations. > > > >? When Michigan? State Plan to implement > provisions under HAVA > > was > >? initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > required to complete an > >? accessibility checklist > >? to determine whether or not their locations were > accessible. > >? This was one of the state? first attempts to > gather information > >? on Michigan? polling place > >? accessibility.? During this time, MPAS and > other organizations > >? were working closely with individual election > officials on > >? polling location reviews and > >? were also training the municipal clerks on the > accessibility > >? requirements.? MPAS also spent a > considerable amount of time > >? assisting clerks with assessing > >? the accessibility of their polling locations and > helping them > >? apply for Access for All grant money.? MPAS > found that the > >? accessibility data provided by > >? clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > reliable. > > > >? MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > (BOE) attention > > and > >? shared independent accessibility reviews with > them.? The BOE has > >? since increased efforts > >? to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > communication > >? and requiring additional documentation from the > clerks. > > > >? In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > polling locations > >? randomly, without notifying the election > official in advance. > >? After compiling this data on > >? polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > of > >? inaccessibility became a heightened > concern.? Once these > > concerns > >? were communicated to the Bureau of > >? Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > dramatically > >? increasing their involvement in the advancement > of polling place > >? accessibility. > > > >? This same year, the federal government began > reviewing how the > >? states were spending HAVA funds.? This > fueled speculation that > >? the federal government would > >? eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > some states had > >? not spent their money, rather placing it in an > account and > >? allowing the funds to gain > >? interest.? Concerned that Congress would > pull the allocated > > funds > >? completely, which would prevent municipalities > from accessing > >? money to make polling places > >? accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > of Elections, > >? embarked on a project to ensure 100% > accessibility at all > >? Michigan polling places. > > > >? Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > > >? In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > of a statewide > >? plan to reach 100% polling place > accessibility.? MPAS and the > >? Bureau of Elections strengthened > >? their partnership in order to achieve this > goal.? Within this > >? plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > locations throughout > >? the state.? Michigan has > >? approximately 3,600 polling places in > total.? MPAS had already > >? gathered information on 530 polling places prior > to 2010, > >? therefore, did not revisit those > >? locations (some were initially accessible and > others MPAS worked > >? closely with clerks to improve > accessibility.? MPAS is still > >? working with clerks to bring > >? the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > into compliance). > >? MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > polling locations in > >? 2010. > > > >? Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > least 95% of the > >? polling places in Michigan. > > > >? The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > nearly 25% of the > >? polling places that remained physically > inaccessible as required > >? by the Americans with > >? Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > > >? Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > 2,927 were assessed > >? between May-August 2010.? Using the ADAAG > as a benchmark to > >? determine physical accessibility, > >? over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > locations visited, > >? had physical barriers failing to comply with the > ADAAG ? > > barriers > >? that create potential > >? difficulties to voters with disabilities on > Election Day. > > > >? Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > from fully > >? participating in all aspects of society because > of their > >? disability.? This might include > architectural > >? barriers, physical barriers, communication > barriers, attitudinal > >? barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? > Throughout this project, > > MPAS? > >? reviews focused primarily > >? on physical and external barriers, which are > defined as > > something > >? material that blocks passage.? Physical > barriers addressed in > >? this report include objects > >? in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > doorways, > >? inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > inaccessible door > >? hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > > >? Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > 2010, 28% did not > >? meet accessibility standards.? Based on > discussions with the BOE > >? in 2008, when MPAS completed > >? the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > notified with a > >? letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > they were also > >? notified by the Bureau of Elections. > >? MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > municipalities > >? plans to meet ADA requirements.? The > letters contained a > >? photograph of the problem area(s), > >? along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? > Within a five month > >? period, letters were sent to over 440 > municipalities concerning > >? approximately 800 polling > >? locations. > > > >? As shown below, 28% of the polling places > visited in 2010 had > >? some type of physical barrier present at the > time of review. > > > >? The following chart highlights the most common > number of > > physical > >? barriers discovered at each location. > > > >? A majority of the locations reviewed had only > one physical > >? barrier present.? While the largest and > most frequent problem > > was > >? related to parking, the types > >? of barriers at each location varied as shown in > the following > >? chart. > > > >? Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > accessible parking > >? but no signs posted? Parking:? > locations that had no parking > >? designated or noncompliant access > >? aisles? Pathway:? barriers that > existed between access aisles > > and > >? entryway? Entrance:? problems such as > door width, door > >? thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > >? etc.? Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > ramps, handrails, > >? thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > > >? Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election Officials > > > >? After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > notified municipal > >? clerks of locations where barriers were > discovered.? Within a > >? four-month period, over 440 > >? letters were sent to election officials.? > By the end of 2010, > > 88% > >? of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > plan of > > correction. > >? In addition, MPAS > >? provided technical assistance to the election > officials on how > > to > >? improve access to their polling location in > order to come into > >? compliance.???Based on > >? the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > us they were > >? would make the changes required; 31% corrected > the barriers at > >? the polling locations; 9% > >? were going to apply for Access for All grant; > and the remaining > >? responses varied from clerk using temporary > equipment. > > > >? When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > completed, MPAS > >? required documentation from each clerk proving > or stating that > >? the work had been completed, > >? including photographs and/or copies of purchase > orders.? A > >? majority of the clerks responded either with a > plan of > > correction > >? for spring 2011 or with a > >? statement that the work was completed.? > MPAS is still waiting > > for > >? some clerks to confirm that the work was done > sufficiently. > > Once > >? the removal of barriers > >? at these locations has been verified, MPAS > expects Michigan? > >? polling place accessibility rate to rise to > nearly 90 % ?-- > >? one of the highest in the nation. > >? There remains, however, substantial work to be > completed in the > >? city of Detroit in order to reach this > goal.? The remaining 12% > >? of clerks, who did not respond > >? to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > correction, > > will > >? become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > accessibility. > > > >? NEXT STEPS > > > >? While the focus of this report has been on > reaching the 90% > >? accessibility rate, there would still be > approximately 10% of > >? polling locations in Michigan > >? that are not accessible to all voters.? > Some clerks disagree > > with > >? the findings and MPAS is working with those > clerks. > > > >? In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > polling locations > >? that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > breaking them > > into > >? three categories: failure > >? to communicate; work promised but documentation > still needed; > > and > >? locations requiring review by MPAS. > > > >? MPAS will focus attention on election officials > who have failed > >? to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? > This may involve > >? revisiting the location (some > >? clerks correct the problem even when they fail > to respond), > >? attending city council/township meetings, filing > official HAVA > >? complaints, and/or pursuing > >? legal action under different funding > sources.? MPAS?goal has > >? always been to educate clerks and assist them > with improving > >? access first by proposing solutions > >? to removing barriers. > > > >? In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > monitoring the > >? correction plans that election officials have > submitted to > > ensure > >? that barriers are removed. > >? MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > locations that have > >? not been visited yet. > > > >? In Summary > > > >? Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > between MPAS and > > the > >? Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > crucial.? The state > >? reinforced the necessity of > >? accessible elections.? They followed up > with each municipality > >? whose polling place was noted as being > inaccessible in order to > >? determine the jurisdiction's > >? planned course of action.? In addition, the > BOE coordinated and > >? extended Michigan's polling place improvement > grant well into > > the > >? fall to assist municipalities > >? in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > > >? Local election officials can either upgrade > their polling places > >? (with or without grant funds), or relocate the > polling place to > >? an accessible site.? The > >? Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > project, they > >? have seen a large increase in the number of > municipalities > >? applying for grant money.? In > >? an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > extended the > >? typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > additional > >? opportunity to respond to MPAS? > >? letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > funds.? The > >? Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > applications, the > >? largest amount ever received > >? in one grant cycle.? Of those 74 grant > applications, 66 > >? applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > plan of > >? correction - 89% of those who applied. > >? A large number of municipalities have pledged to > apply when the > >? next grant period opens in early 2011. > > > >? If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > proposed > > budget > >? cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > partnership with the > >? Secretary of State, ensuring > >? all elections are accessible to all > voters.? Additionally, MPAS > >? encourages clerks to reach out to local > disability groups for > >? future trainings.? Listed > >? below are additional recommendations moving > forward. > > > >? Summary/Recommendations: > > > >? ?? ???Local clerks must be > required to notify the Bureau of > >? Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > > >? ?? ???Accessibility checks > should be completed when clerks > >? change polling locations, to verify > accessibility.? Reports > > (with > >? photographs) should be submitted > >? to the Bureau of Elections. > > > >? ?? ???New polling locations > must be required to adhere to the > >? Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > Guidelines. > > > >? ?? ???The advisory committee > in charge of amending the State > >? Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > ways to hold > >? clerks accountable and implement > >? model oversight programs. > > > >? ?? ???Access for All grant > money should be available > > throughout > >? the year, so accessibility problems can be > addressed anytime > > they > >? arise. > > > >? ?? ???The Bureau of > Elections and local clerks should continue > >? working with disability advocacy organizations > to complete > >? year-round polling place accessibility > >? audits and training to clerks. > > > >? Accessibility Rate by County > > > >? Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > > >? County > > > >? Polling Locations > > > >? Visited > > > >? Accessible > > > >? Barriers Discovered > > > >? Percent Visited > > > >? % Accessible of those Visited > > > >? Now Complete > > > >? % Now Accessible > > > >? Alcona > > > >? 12 > > > >? 12 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 67% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 92% > > > >? Alger > > > >? 10 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 50% > > > >? 5 > > > >? 100% > > > >? Allegan > > > >? 37 > > > >? 37 > > > >? 35 > > > >? 2 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 95% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 97% > > > >? Alpena > > > >? 15 > > > >? 15 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 53% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 60% > > > >? Antrim > > > >? 15 > > > >? 15 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 60% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 73% > > > >? Arenac > > > >? 14 > > > >? 14 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 71% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 93% > > > >? Baraga > > > >? 8 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 1 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 75% > > > >? 17% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 33% > > > >? Barry > > > >? 23 > > > >? 23 > > > >? 18 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 78% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 83% > > > >? Bay > > > >? 49 > > > >? 48 > > > >? 36 > > > >? 12 > > > >? 98% > > > >? 75% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 77% > > > >? Benzie > > > >? 13 > > > >? 13 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 46% > > > >? 4 > > > >? 77% > > > >? Berrien > > > >? 57 > > > >? 57 > > > >? 43 > > > >? 14 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 75% > > > >? 8 > > > >? 89% > > > >? Branch > > > >? 18 > > > >? 17 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 94% > > > >? 53% > > > >? 6 > > > >? 88% > > > >? Calhoun > > > >? 46 > > > >? 43 > > > >? 34 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 93% > > > >? 79% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 86% > > > >? Cass > > > >? 19 > > > >? 19 > > > >? 12 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 63% > > > >? 6 > > > >? 95% > > > >? Charlevoix > > > >? 18 > > > >? 16 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 89% > > > >? 63% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 69% > > > >? Cheboygan > > > >? 20 > > > >? 20 > > > >? 14 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 70% > > > >? 5 > > > >? 95% > > > >? Chippewa > > > >? 19 > > > >? 18 > > > >? 13 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 95% > > > >? 72% > > > >? 4 > > > >? 94% > > > >? Clare > > > >? 19 > > > >? 16 > > > >? 13 > > > >? 3 > > > >? 84% > > > >? 81% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 94% > > > >? Clinton > > > >? 28 > > > >? 26 > > > >? 24 > > > >? 2 > > > >? 93% > > > >? 92% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 96% > > > >? Crawford > > > >? 7 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 1 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 86% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 86% > > > >? Delta > > > >? 21 > > > >? 20 > > > >? 11 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 95% > > > >? 55% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 60% > > > >? Dickinson > > > >? 15 > > > >? 15 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 40% > > > >? 5 > > > >? 73% > > > >? Eaton > > > >? 36 > > > >? 36 > > > >? 28 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 78% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 83% > > > >? Emmet > > > >? 19 > > > >? 19 > > > >? 12 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 63% > > > >? 5 > > > >? 89% > > > >? Genesee > > > >? 119 > > > >? 109 > > > >? 84 > > > >? 25 > > > >? 92% > > > >? 77% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 79% > > > >? Gladwin > > > >? 17 > > > >? 17 > > > >? 11 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 65% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 71% > > > >? Gogebic > > > >? 10 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 3 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 70% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 90% > > > >? Grand Traverse > > > >? 28 > > > >? 27 > > > >? 27 > > > >? 0 > > > >? 96% > > > >? 100% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 100% > > > >? Gratiot > > > >? 23 > > > >? 23 > > > >? 16 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 70% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 78% > > > >? Hillsdale > > > >? 21 > > > >? 21 > > > >? 12 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 57% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 71% > > > >? Houghton > > > >? 31 > > > >? 22 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 13 > > > >? 71% > > > >? 41% > > > >? 5 > > > >? 64% > > > >? Huron > > > >? 30 > > > >? 29 > > > >? 18 > > > >? 11 > > > >? 97% > > > >? 62% > > > >? 5 > > > >? 79% > > > >? Ingham > > > >? 95 > > > >? 81 > > > >? 78 > > > >? 3 > > > >? 85% > > > >? 96% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 96% > > > >? Ionia > > > >? 22 > > > >? 22 > > > >? 17 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 77% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 82% > > > >? Iosco > > > >? 15 > > > >? 15 > > > >? 14 > > > >? 1 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 93% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 100% > > > >? Iron > > > >? 12 > > > >? 12 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 50% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 67% > > > >? Isabella > > > >? 25 > > > >? 25 > > > >? 19 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 76% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 80% > > > >? Jackson > > > >? 47 > > > >? 45 > > > >? 34 > > > >? 11 > > > >? 96% > > > >? 76% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 80% > > > >? Kalamazoo > > > >? 97 > > > >? 97 > > > >? 79 > > > >? 18 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 81% > > > >? 7 > > > >? 89% > > > >? Kalkaska > > > >? 12 > > > >? 12 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 67% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 75% > > > >? Kent > > > >? 209 > > > >? 207 > > > >? 174 > > > >? 33 > > > >? 99% > > > >? 84% > > > >? 11 > > > >? 89% > > > >? Keweenaw > > > >? 5 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 0 > > > >? 80% > > > >? 100% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 100% > > > >? Lake > > > >? 15 > > > >? 15 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 53% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 67% > > > >? Lapeer > > > >? 24 > > > >? 24 > > > >? 20 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 83% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 92% > > > >? Leelanau > > > >? 13 > > > >? 13 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 62% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 69% > > > >? Lenawee > > > >? 30 > > > >? 30 > > > >? 23 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 77% > > > >? 4 > > > >? 90% > > > >? Livingston > > > >? 48 > > > >? 45 > > > >? 35 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 94% > > > >? 78% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 78% > > > >? Luce > > > >? 4 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 3 > > > >? 1 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 75% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 75% > > > >? Mackinac > > > >? 13 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 77% > > > >? 50% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 60% > > > >? Macomb > > > >? 235 > > > >? 233 > > > >? 188 > > > >? 45 > > > >? 99% > > > >? 81% > > > >? 17 > > > >? 88% > > > >? Manistee > > > >? 15 > > > >? 15 > > > >? 11 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 73% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 93% > > > >? Marquette > > > >? 29 > > > >? 29 > > > >? 16 > > > >? 13 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 55% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 59% > > > >? Mason > > > >? 23 > > > >? 23 > > > >? 15 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 65% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 78% > > > >? Mecosta > > > >? 22 > > > >? 22 > > > >? 18 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 82% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 86% > > > >? Menominee > > > >? 16 > > > >? 14 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 88% > > > >? 57% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 57% > > > >? Midland > > > >? 38 > > > >? 29 > > > >? 22 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 76% > > > >? 76% > > > >? 4 > > > >? 90% > > > >? Missaukee > > > >? 17 > > > >? 17 > > > >? 14 > > > >? 3 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 82% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 100% > > > >? Monroe > > > >? 42 > > > >? 36 > > > >? 27 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 86% > > > >? 75% > > > >? 5 > > > >? 89% > > > >? Montcalm > > > >? 26 > > > >? 25 > > > >? 21 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 96% > > > >? 84% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 92% > > > >? Montmorency > > > >? 9 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 2 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 78% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 89% > > > >? Muskegon > > > >? 72 > > > >? 71 > > > >? 68 > > > >? 3 > > > >? 99% > > > >? 96% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 99% > > > >? Newaygo > > > >? 28 > > > >? 28 > > > >? 22 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 79% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 89% > > > >? Oakland > > > >? 410 > > > >? 380 > > > >? 292 > > > >? 88 > > > >? 93% > > > >? 77% > > > >? 46 > > > >? 89% > > > >? Oceana > > > >? 18 > > > >? 18 > > > >? 12 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 67% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 67% > > > >? Ogemaw > > > >? 16 > > > >? 16 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 63% > > > >? 5 > > > >? 94% > > > >? Ontonagon > > > >? 14 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 3 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 71% > > > >? 30% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 30% > > > >? Osceola > > > >? 18 > > > >? 18 > > > >? 14 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 78% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 89% > > > >? Oscoda > > > >? 6 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 2 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 67% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 83% > > > >? Otsego > > > >? 10 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 7 > > > >? 3 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 70% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 90% > > > >? Ottawa > > > >? 88 > > > >? 88 > > > >? 79 > > > >? 9 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 90% > > > >? 5 > > > >? 95% > > > >? Presque Isle > > > >? 16 > > > >? 16 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 63% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 81% > > > >? Roscommon > > > >? 11 > > > >? 11 > > > >? 11 > > > >? 0 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 100% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 100% > > > >? Saginaw > > > >? 75 > > > >? 75 > > > >? 61 > > > >? 14 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 81% > > > >? 8 > > > >? 92% > > > >? Sanilac > > > >? 30 > > > >? 30 > > > >? 26 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 87% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 97% > > > >? Schoolcraft > > > >? 10 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 60% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 80% > > > >? Shiawassee > > > >? 27 > > > >? 27 > > > >? 17 > > > >? 10 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 63% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 74% > > > >? St.? Clair > > > >? 52 > > > >? 48 > > > >? 44 > > > >? 4 > > > >? 92% > > > >? 92% > > > >? 3 > > > >? 98% > > > >? St.? Joseph > > > >? 17 > > > >? 17 > > > >? 12 > > > >? 5 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 71% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 82% > > > >? Tuscola > > > >? 25 > > > >? 24 > > > >? 16 > > > >? 8 > > > >? 96% > > > >? 67% > > > >? 2 > > > >? 75% > > > >? Van Buren > > > >? 23 > > > >? 22 > > > >? 19 > > > >? 3 > > > >? 96% > > > >? 86% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 91% > > > >? Washtenaw > > > >? 106 > > > >? 100 > > > >? 70 > > > >? 30 > > > >? 94% > > > >? 70% > > > >? 0 > > > >? 70% > > > >? Wayne > > > >? 568 > > > >? 519 > > > >? 325 > > > >? 194 > > > >? 91% > > > >? 63% > > > >? 28 > > > >? 68% > > > >? Wexford > > > >? 20 > > > >? 20 > > > >? 14 > > > >? 6 > > > >? 100% > > > >? 70% > > > >? 1 > > > >? 75% > > > >? Total > > > >? 3635 > > > >? 3457 > > > >? 2579 > > > >? 878 > > > >? 95.10% > > > >? 74.60% > > > >? 289 > > > >? 83% > > > >? table end > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > > From: Katie Wang > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > >? ? ? ? > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > > Message-ID: > >? ? ? ? > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > >? Chris, there is no Download button on Web > Braille. Instead, when you > > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > on your Braille > > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > to save the > > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves > each braille volume > > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > this multiple > > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > than one volume. > > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > it a great > > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > more in the past > > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > larger, more > > current collection. > >? Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > on your end-- It > > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest > contacting your state > > NLS library again and see if they can get you > some? sort of technical > > support contact info. Someone from the central program > that > > administers the Web Braille service might need to look > into your > > situation. > >? Hope this helps! > >???Katie > > > > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: > > > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > in it says my user > > > name and password is wrong. I have called and > gotten it changed three > > > times and it still says it. wonder what I am > doing wrong. > > > > > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > users! I recently > > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking > forward to all it has > > >> to offer.? But I do have this question: > when I click on a link > > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, > or something where I > > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my > BrailleNote? I tried to > > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together > last night, and when > > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the > actual book to read > > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to > read it in my > > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later > date.? How can I do this? > > >> Thanks! > > >> > > >> Chris > > >> > > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > (Camp Abilities motto) > > >> > > >> The I C.A.N.? Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say > "I can!" How? Click > > >> on this link to learn more and to > contribute: > > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > Facebook at I C.A.N. > > >> Foundation. > > >> > > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lea Williams > > > > > > Phone; > > > 704-732-4470 > > > Skipe; > > > Lea.williams738 > > > Facebook > > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > >? ? ? ? > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain;? ? > ???charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi all, > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there?? Do bloggers > generally write first > > person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > > Any of you have a blog?? How often do you update > it?? Is it possible to > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted > > help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > family. I figured > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > >? ? ? ? > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > >? ? ? ? > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there?? Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog?? How often do you > update it?? Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > >? ? ? ? > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > >? ? ? ? reply-type=original > > > > Joshua, > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > to discuss something > > common? > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > This would be a good idea if? I had several > people interested in a forum. > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that > was one of the things I > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to > post online, I'd like > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > are accessible. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there?? Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog?? How often do you > update it?? Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > > From: Elizabeth > > To: > > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > Convention > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > the help they have > > provided me over the past week. However, I thought I > would also send out a > > general message to thank anyone I may have missed > along the way. My > > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > go, but it was exactly > > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > such a public email > > list. > > > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this > list was before > > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > already said what > > happened, or at least their version of the story. > However, I have already > > shared my version of the story about a million times > by now, so if you are > > curious as to what happened, you will just have to > wait for another time. > > > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I > just wanted to show > > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > the way. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > >? ? ? ? > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > >? ? ? ? > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Yes. > > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Joshua, > > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > people to discuss > > something > > > common? > > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > > This would be a good idea if? I had several > people interested in a forum. > > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and > that was one of the things > > I > > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to post online, I'd > > like > > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > they are accessible. > > > > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joshua Lester > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > > > Ashley: > > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > blind people? > > > I've found an accessible one. > > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still > > have > > > it.) > > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > more than one blog. > > >> So what accessible sites are there?? Do > bloggers generally write first > > >> person stories, or about things they see that > are more objective? > > >> Any of you have a blog?? How often do > you update it?? Is it possible to > > >> upload photos to it to go along with your > story? Or maybe you need > > sighted > > >> help to post photos? > > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips > need to be in? > > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same > site? Can > > >> you write as much as you want or is there a > word limit? > > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > >> opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > >> > > >> What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks. > > >> Ashley > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Amy Sabo > > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , > >? ? ? ? "OF BLIND STUDENTS, > COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > >? ? ? ? < > > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > > From: "Humberto Avila" > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > >? ? ? ? > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> > > Content-Type: text/plain;? ? > ???charset="us-ascii" > > > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > (AIM) was about 2 years > > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > the way, it was the > > FS > > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it > is inaccessible with > > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > using? Which > > operating system? Which version of aim? > > Cheers,? Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > > Behalf > > Of Amy Sabo > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > STUDENTS, COLORADO > > ASSOCIATION > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > > From: David Andrews > > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > > > > > > > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > > >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > ************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:01:53 -0500 From: Koby Cox To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: <00C640A0-D0DD-4723-9E82-4BCA8B66A4ED at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can you email me off list? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > I agree with Chris and Sherri. I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't leave until the next > Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun right? Wrong. I didn't get out > of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? Because there were too many > things to do at convention. Convention was awesome and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit more. I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't "required". General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they announce the state > cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it once and I don't think > he even told me where it was. The states should get them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where it is. I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but they did a very good > job. For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >> 2. Re: question about brail to word program? (Chris Nusbaum) >> 3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi >> (Josh Gregory) >> 4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille (Katie Wang) >> 5. accessible blog and journal sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 6. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (Joshua Lester) >> 7. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 8. Thanks for the Help at National Convention (Elizabeth) >> 9. Re: accessible blog and journal sites (Joshua Lester) >> 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >> 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >> 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: NABS list , NFBMD list , >> NFB >> history list >> Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> >> ---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> >> It was announced at the convention that conventions from 2013 >> through 2017 >> will be held in Orlando. I wish we could extend the length of >> the convention >> back to how it was and NFB would >> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon. That way, people could >> get excited >> about Orlando and have time to go places. I liked the old >> schedule much >> better. If we are going to keep people here for five years in a >> row, we need >> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of all there is >> to do in >> Orlando. Besides, I like the banquet the night before the last >> day of >> convention. >> >> >> Sherri Brun >> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other >> plans." John >> Lennon >> >> Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun >> >> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> NFBF Newsline? chair >> www.nfbnewsline.org >> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> http://nfbfgoc.org >> Secretary FDCP INC >> www.fdcp.org >> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for blindtlk: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. >> nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? >> Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users of the >> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding the BN and >> ask questions when they're having technical problems. Here's the >> link: www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. In >> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question to the BN >> list and forward you any responses off list. Hope this helps! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? >> >> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native format >> documents into word >> documents. If you want to do so, you will have to use your >> Braille note to >> do it because there is no program that will translate and convert >> Keyword >> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word (.doc) >> documents, unless >> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, and then use >> a program >> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you will need >> Duxbury >> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the license if you >> don't >> already have it--you can although try it for free but some >> functions will be >> disabled) >> I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to send another >> message off list >> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this is good >> practice for >> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching assistive >> technology. >> Cheers, Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Andi >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word program? >> >> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to ask. I use to >> use my brail >> >> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was wondering if >> there is a >> >> program to change the files from the brail document to a word >> document? >> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the simpaler to >> use the >> better, but I still want it to do a good job. thank you so much >> for your >> help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Andrews >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable >> Camera >> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera Reading >> System >> to Support Touchscreen >> for People with Low Vision >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, Inc. ( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >> www.visionaid-international.com) >> are proud to announce the Readit Wand! 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They are, at the moment, each other's >> competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment anyway, I doubt >> it. >> Best, >> Josh >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this >> day in mi >> >> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to ensure >> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the Help >> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work jointly >> with ACB on this. What does >> everyone think? >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access issues to this >> day in mi >> >> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Thoughts on this? >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ---- Original Message ------ >> From: "joe harcz Comcast" > Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to this day in mi >> Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >> >> A Call to Action ? >> >> Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters with Disabilities >> Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >> >> A Public Report on >> Polling Place >> >> Accessibility in Michigan >> >> Public Report by >> >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> >> 2011 >> >> Acknowledgements >> >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) is Michigan? >> designated agency to advocate and protect the legal rights of >> persons with disabilities, mandated >> by federal and state law. MPAS receives funding from the >> Administration on Developmental Disabilities, the center for >> Mental Health Services ?Substance >> Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the >> Rehabilitation Services Administration, the Social Security >> Administration, the State of Michigan >> and from private donations. >> >> Funding for this report has been made possible through the U.S. >> Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for >> Children and Families, and the >> Administration on Developmental Disabilities. The contents are >> the sole responsibility of the author and do not necessarily >> represent the official views >> of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. >> >> 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. This >> publication may be reproduced in part or in its entirety for >> noncommercial purposes as long >> as appropriate credit is given. >> >> Table of Contents >> >> Executive >> >> Summary.......................................................... >> ...................................................5 >> >> Midterm >> >> Report........................................................... >> .........................................................6 >> >> Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >> >> Project.......................................................... >> .........7 >> >> Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election >> Officials......................................10 >> >> Next >> >> Steps............................................................ >> ..............................................................11 >> >> In >> >> Summary.......................................................... >> ..............................................................11 >> >> Accessibility Rate Per >> >> County........................................................... >> ................................13 >> >> Executive Summary >> >> In Michigan, voters with disabilities face obstacles at voting >> locations often because their polling place lacks physical >> accessibility. The Help America >> Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique obstacles faced by >> voters >> with disabilities and authorized funding for the federally >> mandated Protection and Advocacy >> Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove barriers. >> Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been targeted for >> elimination in the President? proposed >> 2012 budget. >> >> HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, (MPAS), >> and other Protection & Advocacy agencies with helping to ensure >> the full participation of >> individuals with disabilities in the electoral process, >> including >> registering to vote, casting a ballot, and accessing polling >> places. >> >> The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure that every >> eligible Michigan resident receives equal access to their >> polling >> location and has the opportunity >> to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS staff members are on >> the ground providing advice, technical assistance, and training >> to election officials about >> voting accessibility across the spectrum of disabilities. The >> agency also provides outreach and training to voters with >> disabilities, poll workers, and >> service providers. MPAS and the Secretary of State of Michigan >> partnered over the past six years working toward this goal, >> which >> has been effective in >> increasing physical access to polling locations throughout >> Michigan. >> >> Voting is a fundamental right protected by the United States >> Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and subject to intense >> public scrutiny each election >> cycle. Provisions within these protections prohibit >> discrimination against people with disabilities in the electoral >> process. Exercising their Constitutional >> right, however, has continued to be a challenge for individuals >> with disabilities despite changes made to federal and state laws >> intended to ensure full >> participation. >> >> Key Summary >> >> ? Disability advocates have visited 95% (3,457) and >> reviewed the exterior of polling locations in Michigan. >> >> ? Upon initial review, Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan polling places >> were >> compliant under the Americans >> with Disabilities Act. >> >> ? After working with state and local officials, it is >> anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate will be increased >> to 90% in 2012. >> >> ? Of the locations that were inaccessible, 60% had one >> barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% had three or more >> types of barriers. >> >> ? Only six of the 84 counties in Michigan were 100% >> physically accessible upon initial visit. >> >> ? MPAS continues to receive complaints regarding the >> AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking device. >> >> Michigan has made great strides toward accessibility at the >> polls. This report will highlight the steps taken to ensure >> that >> all polling locations throughout >> Michigan are accessible to voters with disabilities. In >> addition, the report will offer recommendations for Michigan to >> achieve and maintain an accessibility >> rate of 100%. >> >> 2010 Mid Term Report >> >> Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout the country, >> Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) in 2002. HAVA >> included sweeping legislation >> intended to modernize the electoral system for all voters, >> including those with disabilities. The Help America Vote Act >> reinforced the application of >> Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act and Section 504 >> of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in 2004, Michigan >> lawmakers amended Michigan election >> law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the removal of physical >> barriers at polling locations. Irrespective of both federal and >> state law, 25% of Michigan's >> voting locations continued to be inaccessible for the November >> 2010 general election. To achieve an all-encompassing voting >> standard for the fifty states, >> HAVA included two key components for the disability community: >> >> ? All polling places must have at least one voting system >> which allows all citizens to cast a ballot privately and >> independently, whether or not one >> has a disability. >> >> ? States must ensure accessibility at all public polling >> places in a manner compliant with the Americans with >> Disabilities >> Act (ADA). >> >> Accessible Voting System >> >> In 2004, the disability community and the Michigan Secretary of >> State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully assessing which >> accessible device would best >> fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 selected the >> AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible ballot marking device >> that can be used by all voters >> with or without disabilities. >> >> Although every polling location is equipped with the AutoMARK, >> each municipality is responsible for making sure it is set up >> and >> operating properly. Unfortunately, >> MPAS continues to receive complaints about the AutoMARK. Voter >> complaints have included the following: the AutoMARK was boxed >> up on Election Day, unplugged, >> jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters could see the >> ?ecret?ballot. Complaints concerning jammed ballots have been >> greatly reduced since the >> last round of updates were completed. Because the AutoMARK is >> used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter feedback to >> correct these kinds of problems. >> MPAS continues to monitor and respond to complaints as they >> arise. >> >> Accessible Polling Places >> >> Under HAVA, the federal government allocated money to assist >> with >> the purchase of accessible equipment like the AutoMARK, but also >> to help municipalities >> make their polling places physically accessible. Congress >> recognized that in order for people to use the accessible voting >> machines, the building must >> also be accessible so voters can access the polling location and >> voting equipment. It is the local election officials? >> responsibility to make sure all >> polling locations are accessible on Election Day. To help cover >> the expense for removing barriers at polling locations, the >> Michigan BOE administers a >> grant program called Access for All, under the U.S. Department >> of Health and Human Services with funding allocated through >> HAVA, >> to help the state comply >> with HAVA. In most circumstances, the Access for All grants >> cover all costs associated with accessibility upgrades for >> polling locations. >> >> When Michigan? State Plan to implement provisions under HAVA >> was >> initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were required to complete an >> accessibility checklist >> to determine whether or not their locations were accessible. >> This was one of the state? first attempts to gather information >> on Michigan? polling place >> accessibility. During this time, MPAS and other organizations >> were working closely with individual election officials on >> polling location reviews and >> were also training the municipal clerks on the accessibility >> requirements. MPAS also spent a considerable amount of time >> assisting clerks with assessing >> the accessibility of their polling locations and helping them >> apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS found that the >> accessibility data provided by >> clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly reliable. >> >> MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? (BOE) attention >> and >> shared independent accessibility reviews with them. The BOE has >> since increased efforts >> to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving communication >> and requiring additional documentation from the clerks. >> >> In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal polling locations >> randomly, without notifying the election official in advance. >> After compiling this data on >> polling locations statewide, the systemic issue of >> inaccessibility became a heightened concern. Once these >> concerns >> were communicated to the Bureau of >> Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 dramatically >> increasing their involvement in the advancement of polling place >> accessibility. >> >> This same year, the federal government began reviewing how the >> states were spending HAVA funds. This fueled speculation that >> the federal government would >> eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since some states had >> not spent their money, rather placing it in an account and >> allowing the funds to gain >> interest. Concerned that Congress would pull the allocated >> funds >> completely, which would prevent municipalities from accessing >> money to make polling places >> accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau of Elections, >> embarked on a project to ensure 100% accessibility at all >> Michigan polling places. >> >> Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >> >> In 2010, Michigan started building the framework of a statewide >> plan to reach 100% polling place accessibility. MPAS and the >> Bureau of Elections strengthened >> their partnership in order to achieve this goal. Within this >> plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all locations throughout >> the state. Michigan has >> approximately 3,600 polling places in total. MPAS had already >> gathered information on 530 polling places prior to 2010, >> therefore, did not revisit those >> locations (some were initially accessible and others MPAS worked >> closely with clerks to improve accessibility. MPAS is still >> working with clerks to bring >> the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations into compliance). >> MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 polling locations in >> 2010. >> >> Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at least 95% of the >> polling places in Michigan. >> >> The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed nearly 25% of the >> polling places that remained physically inaccessible as required >> by the Americans with >> Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, 2,927 were assessed >> between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG as a benchmark to >> determine physical accessibility, >> over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 locations visited, >> had physical barriers failing to comply with the ADAAG ? >> barriers >> that create potential >> difficulties to voters with disabilities on Election Day. >> >> Barriers can prevent people with disabilities from fully >> participating in all aspects of society because of their >> disability. This might include architectural >> barriers, physical barriers, communication barriers, attitudinal >> barriers, cultural barriers, etc. Throughout this project, >> MPAS? >> reviews focused primarily >> on physical and external barriers, which are defined as >> something >> material that blocks passage. Physical barriers addressed in >> this report include objects >> in the environment such as inaccessible doors or doorways, >> inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, inaccessible door >> hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >> >> Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in 2010, 28% did not >> meet accessibility standards. Based on discussions with the BOE >> in 2008, when MPAS completed >> the unannounced visits, clerks were not only notified with a >> letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but they were also >> notified by the Bureau of Elections. >> MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the municipalities >> plans to meet ADA requirements. The letters contained a >> photograph of the problem area(s), >> along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. Within a five month >> period, letters were sent to over 440 municipalities concerning >> approximately 800 polling >> locations. >> >> As shown below, 28% of the polling places visited in 2010 had >> some type of physical barrier present at the time of review. >> >> The following chart highlights the most common number of >> physical >> barriers discovered at each location. >> >> A majority of the locations reviewed had only one physical >> barrier present. While the largest and most frequent problem >> was >> related to parking, the types >> of barriers at each location varied as shown in the following >> chart. >> >> Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had accessible parking >> but no signs posted Parking: locations that had no parking >> designated or noncompliant access >> aisles Pathway: barriers that existed between access aisles >> and >> entryway Entrance: problems such as door width, door >> thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >> etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, ramps, handrails, >> thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >> >> Communicating Accessibility Problems with Election Officials >> >> After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS notified municipal >> clerks of locations where barriers were discovered. Within a >> four-month period, over 440 >> letters were sent to election officials. By the end of 2010, >> 88% >> of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a plan of >> correction. >> In addition, MPAS >> provided technical assistance to the election officials on how >> to >> improve access to their polling location in order to come into >> compliance. Based on >> the responses received from clerks, 43% informed us they were >> would make the changes required; 31% corrected the barriers at >> the polling locations; 9% >> were going to apply for Access for All grant; and the remaining >> responses varied from clerk using temporary equipment. >> >> When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was completed, MPAS >> required documentation from each clerk proving or stating that >> the work had been completed, >> including photographs and/or copies of purchase orders. A >> majority of the clerks responded either with a plan of >> correction >> for spring 2011 or with a >> statement that the work was completed. MPAS is still waiting >> for >> some clerks to confirm that the work was done sufficiently. >> Once >> the removal of barriers >> at these locations has been verified, MPAS expects Michigan? >> polling place accessibility rate to rise to nearly 90 % ?-- >> one of the highest in the nation. >> There remains, however, substantial work to be completed in the >> city of Detroit in order to reach this goal. The remaining 12% >> of clerks, who did not respond >> to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of correction, >> will >> become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% accessibility. >> >> NEXT STEPS >> >> While the focus of this report has been on reaching the 90% >> accessibility rate, there would still be approximately 10% of >> polling locations in Michigan >> that are not accessible to all voters. Some clerks disagree >> with >> the findings and MPAS is working with those clerks. >> >> In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of polling locations >> that are still recorded as being inaccessible, breaking them >> into >> three categories: failure >> to communicate; work promised but documentation still needed; >> and >> locations requiring review by MPAS. >> >> MPAS will focus attention on election officials who have failed >> to respond to MPAS communication attempts. This may involve >> revisiting the location (some >> clerks correct the problem even when they fail to respond), >> attending city council/township meetings, filing official HAVA >> complaints, and/or pursuing >> legal action under different funding sources. MPAS?goal has >> always been to educate clerks and assist them with improving >> access first by proposing solutions >> to removing barriers. >> >> In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to monitoring the >> correction plans that election officials have submitted to >> ensure >> that barriers are removed. >> MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling locations that have >> not been visited yet. >> >> In Summary >> >> Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership between MPAS and >> the >> Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was crucial. The state >> reinforced the necessity of >> accessible elections. They followed up with each municipality >> whose polling place was noted as being inaccessible in order to >> determine the jurisdiction's >> planned course of action. In addition, the BOE coordinated and >> extended Michigan's polling place improvement grant well into >> the >> fall to assist municipalities >> in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> >> Local election officials can either upgrade their polling places >> (with or without grant funds), or relocate the polling place to >> an accessible site. The >> Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 project, they >> have seen a large increase in the number of municipalities >> applying for grant money. In >> an effort to assist with the project, the BOE extended the >> typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks additional >> opportunity to respond to MPAS? >> letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant funds. The >> Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant applications, the >> largest amount ever received >> in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant applications, 66 >> applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a plan of >> correction - 89% of those who applied. >> A large number of municipalities have pledged to apply when the >> next grant period opens in early 2011. >> >> If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? proposed >> budget >> cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the partnership with the >> Secretary of State, ensuring >> all elections are accessible to all voters. Additionally, MPAS >> encourages clerks to reach out to local disability groups for >> future trainings. Listed >> below are additional recommendations moving forward. >> >> Summary/Recommendations: >> >> ? Local clerks must be required to notify the Bureau of >> Elections prior to relocating polling places. >> >> ? Accessibility checks should be completed when clerks >> change polling locations, to verify accessibility. Reports >> (with >> photographs) should be submitted >> to the Bureau of Elections. >> >> ? New polling locations must be required to adhere to the >> Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> ? The advisory committee in charge of amending the State >> Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify ways to hold >> clerks accountable and implement >> model oversight programs. >> >> ? Access for All grant money should be available >> throughout >> the year, so accessibility problems can be addressed anytime >> they >> arise. >> >> ? The Bureau of Elections and local clerks should continue >> working with disability advocacy organizations to complete >> year-round polling place accessibility >> audits and training to clerks. >> >> Accessibility Rate by County >> >> Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >> >> County >> >> Polling Locations >> >> Visited >> >> Accessible >> >> Barriers Discovered >> >> Percent Visited >> >> % Accessible of those Visited >> >> Now Complete >> >> % Now Accessible >> >> Alcona >> >> 12 >> >> 12 >> >> 8 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 67% >> >> 3 >> >> 92% >> >> Alger >> >> 10 >> >> 10 >> >> 5 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 50% >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> Allegan >> >> 37 >> >> 37 >> >> 35 >> >> 2 >> >> 100% >> >> 95% >> >> 1 >> >> 97% >> >> Alpena >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 8 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 53% >> >> 1 >> >> 60% >> >> Antrim >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 9 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 60% >> >> 2 >> >> 73% >> >> Arenac >> >> 14 >> >> 14 >> >> 10 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 71% >> >> 3 >> >> 93% >> >> Baraga >> >> 8 >> >> 6 >> >> 1 >> >> 5 >> >> 75% >> >> 17% >> >> 1 >> >> 33% >> >> Barry >> >> 23 >> >> 23 >> >> 18 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 78% >> >> 1 >> >> 83% >> >> Bay >> >> 49 >> >> 48 >> >> 36 >> >> 12 >> >> 98% >> >> 75% >> >> 1 >> >> 77% >> >> Benzie >> >> 13 >> >> 13 >> >> 6 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 46% >> >> 4 >> >> 77% >> >> Berrien >> >> 57 >> >> 57 >> >> 43 >> >> 14 >> >> 100% >> >> 75% >> >> 8 >> >> 89% >> >> Branch >> >> 18 >> >> 17 >> >> 9 >> >> 8 >> >> 94% >> >> 53% >> >> 6 >> >> 88% >> >> Calhoun >> >> 46 >> >> 43 >> >> 34 >> >> 9 >> >> 93% >> >> 79% >> >> 3 >> >> 86% >> >> Cass >> >> 19 >> >> 19 >> >> 12 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 6 >> >> 95% >> >> Charlevoix >> >> 18 >> >> 16 >> >> 10 >> >> 6 >> >> 89% >> >> 63% >> >> 1 >> >> 69% >> >> Cheboygan >> >> 20 >> >> 20 >> >> 14 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 5 >> >> 95% >> >> Chippewa >> >> 19 >> >> 18 >> >> 13 >> >> 5 >> >> 95% >> >> 72% >> >> 4 >> >> 94% >> >> Clare >> >> 19 >> >> 16 >> >> 13 >> >> 3 >> >> 84% >> >> 81% >> >> 2 >> >> 94% >> >> Clinton >> >> 28 >> >> 26 >> >> 24 >> >> 2 >> >> 93% >> >> 92% >> >> 1 >> >> 96% >> >> Crawford >> >> 7 >> >> 7 >> >> 6 >> >> 1 >> >> 100% >> >> 86% >> >> 0 >> >> 86% >> >> Delta >> >> 21 >> >> 20 >> >> 11 >> >> 9 >> >> 95% >> >> 55% >> >> 1 >> >> 60% >> >> Dickinson >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 6 >> >> 9 >> >> 100% >> >> 40% >> >> 5 >> >> 73% >> >> Eaton >> >> 36 >> >> 36 >> >> 28 >> >> 8 >> >> 100% >> >> 78% >> >> 2 >> >> 83% >> >> Emmet >> >> 19 >> >> 19 >> >> 12 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 5 >> >> 89% >> >> Genesee >> >> 119 >> >> 109 >> >> 84 >> >> 25 >> >> 92% >> >> 77% >> >> 2 >> >> 79% >> >> Gladwin >> >> 17 >> >> 17 >> >> 11 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 65% >> >> 1 >> >> 71% >> >> Gogebic >> >> 10 >> >> 10 >> >> 7 >> >> 3 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 2 >> >> 90% >> >> Grand Traverse >> >> 28 >> >> 27 >> >> 27 >> >> 0 >> >> 96% >> >> 100% >> >> 0 >> >> 100% >> >> Gratiot >> >> 23 >> >> 23 >> >> 16 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 2 >> >> 78% >> >> Hillsdale >> >> 21 >> >> 21 >> >> 12 >> >> 9 >> >> 100% >> >> 57% >> >> 3 >> >> 71% >> >> Houghton >> >> 31 >> >> 22 >> >> 9 >> >> 13 >> >> 71% >> >> 41% >> >> 5 >> >> 64% >> >> Huron >> >> 30 >> >> 29 >> >> 18 >> >> 11 >> >> 97% >> >> 62% >> >> 5 >> >> 79% >> >> Ingham >> >> 95 >> >> 81 >> >> 78 >> >> 3 >> >> 85% >> >> 96% >> >> 0 >> >> 96% >> >> Ionia >> >> 22 >> >> 22 >> >> 17 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 77% >> >> 1 >> >> 82% >> >> Iosco >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 14 >> >> 1 >> >> 100% >> >> 93% >> >> 1 >> >> 100% >> >> Iron >> >> 12 >> >> 12 >> >> 6 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 50% >> >> 2 >> >> 67% >> >> Isabella >> >> 25 >> >> 25 >> >> 19 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 76% >> >> 1 >> >> 80% >> >> Jackson >> >> 47 >> >> 45 >> >> 34 >> >> 11 >> >> 96% >> >> 76% >> >> 2 >> >> 80% >> >> Kalamazoo >> >> 97 >> >> 97 >> >> 79 >> >> 18 >> >> 100% >> >> 81% >> >> 7 >> >> 89% >> >> Kalkaska >> >> 12 >> >> 12 >> >> 8 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 67% >> >> 1 >> >> 75% >> >> Kent >> >> 209 >> >> 207 >> >> 174 >> >> 33 >> >> 99% >> >> 84% >> >> 11 >> >> 89% >> >> Keweenaw >> >> 5 >> >> 4 >> >> 4 >> >> 0 >> >> 80% >> >> 100% >> >> 0 >> >> 100% >> >> Lake >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 8 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 53% >> >> 2 >> >> 67% >> >> Lapeer >> >> 24 >> >> 24 >> >> 20 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 83% >> >> 2 >> >> 92% >> >> Leelanau >> >> 13 >> >> 13 >> >> 8 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 62% >> >> 1 >> >> 69% >> >> Lenawee >> >> 30 >> >> 30 >> >> 23 >> >> 7 >> >> 100% >> >> 77% >> >> 4 >> >> 90% >> >> Livingston >> >> 48 >> >> 45 >> >> 35 >> >> 10 >> >> 94% >> >> 78% >> >> 0 >> >> 78% >> >> Luce >> >> 4 >> >> 4 >> >> 3 >> >> 1 >> >> 100% >> >> 75% >> >> 0 >> >> 75% >> >> Mackinac >> >> 13 >> >> 10 >> >> 5 >> >> 5 >> >> 77% >> >> 50% >> >> 1 >> >> 60% >> >> Macomb >> >> 235 >> >> 233 >> >> 188 >> >> 45 >> >> 99% >> >> 81% >> >> 17 >> >> 88% >> >> Manistee >> >> 15 >> >> 15 >> >> 11 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 73% >> >> 3 >> >> 93% >> >> Marquette >> >> 29 >> >> 29 >> >> 16 >> >> 13 >> >> 100% >> >> 55% >> >> 1 >> >> 59% >> >> Mason >> >> 23 >> >> 23 >> >> 15 >> >> 8 >> >> 100% >> >> 65% >> >> 3 >> >> 78% >> >> Mecosta >> >> 22 >> >> 22 >> >> 18 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 82% >> >> 1 >> >> 86% >> >> Menominee >> >> 16 >> >> 14 >> >> 8 >> >> 6 >> >> 88% >> >> 57% >> >> 0 >> >> 57% >> >> Midland >> >> 38 >> >> 29 >> >> 22 >> >> 7 >> >> 76% >> >> 76% >> >> 4 >> >> 90% >> >> Missaukee >> >> 17 >> >> 17 >> >> 14 >> >> 3 >> >> 100% >> >> 82% >> >> 3 >> >> 100% >> >> Monroe >> >> 42 >> >> 36 >> >> 27 >> >> 9 >> >> 86% >> >> 75% >> >> 5 >> >> 89% >> >> Montcalm >> >> 26 >> >> 25 >> >> 21 >> >> 4 >> >> 96% >> >> 84% >> >> 2 >> >> 92% >> >> Montmorency >> >> 9 >> >> 9 >> >> 7 >> >> 2 >> >> 100% >> >> 78% >> >> 1 >> >> 89% >> >> Muskegon >> >> 72 >> >> 71 >> >> 68 >> >> 3 >> >> 99% >> >> 96% >> >> 2 >> >> 99% >> >> Newaygo >> >> 28 >> >> 28 >> >> 22 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 79% >> >> 3 >> >> 89% >> >> Oakland >> >> 410 >> >> 380 >> >> 292 >> >> 88 >> >> 93% >> >> 77% >> >> 46 >> >> 89% >> >> Oceana >> >> 18 >> >> 18 >> >> 12 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 67% >> >> 0 >> >> 67% >> >> Ogemaw >> >> 16 >> >> 16 >> >> 10 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 5 >> >> 94% >> >> Ontonagon >> >> 14 >> >> 10 >> >> 3 >> >> 7 >> >> 71% >> >> 30% >> >> 0 >> >> 30% >> >> Osceola >> >> 18 >> >> 18 >> >> 14 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 78% >> >> 2 >> >> 89% >> >> Oscoda >> >> 6 >> >> 6 >> >> 4 >> >> 2 >> >> 100% >> >> 67% >> >> 1 >> >> 83% >> >> Otsego >> >> 10 >> >> 10 >> >> 7 >> >> 3 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 2 >> >> 90% >> >> Ottawa >> >> 88 >> >> 88 >> >> 79 >> >> 9 >> >> 100% >> >> 90% >> >> 5 >> >> 95% >> >> Presque Isle >> >> 16 >> >> 16 >> >> 10 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 3 >> >> 81% >> >> Roscommon >> >> 11 >> >> 11 >> >> 11 >> >> 0 >> >> 100% >> >> 100% >> >> 0 >> >> 100% >> >> Saginaw >> >> 75 >> >> 75 >> >> 61 >> >> 14 >> >> 100% >> >> 81% >> >> 8 >> >> 92% >> >> Sanilac >> >> 30 >> >> 30 >> >> 26 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 87% >> >> 3 >> >> 97% >> >> Schoolcraft >> >> 10 >> >> 10 >> >> 6 >> >> 4 >> >> 100% >> >> 60% >> >> 2 >> >> 80% >> >> Shiawassee >> >> 27 >> >> 27 >> >> 17 >> >> 10 >> >> 100% >> >> 63% >> >> 3 >> >> 74% >> >> St. Clair >> >> 52 >> >> 48 >> >> 44 >> >> 4 >> >> 92% >> >> 92% >> >> 3 >> >> 98% >> >> St. Joseph >> >> 17 >> >> 17 >> >> 12 >> >> 5 >> >> 100% >> >> 71% >> >> 2 >> >> 82% >> >> Tuscola >> >> 25 >> >> 24 >> >> 16 >> >> 8 >> >> 96% >> >> 67% >> >> 2 >> >> 75% >> >> Van Buren >> >> 23 >> >> 22 >> >> 19 >> >> 3 >> >> 96% >> >> 86% >> >> 1 >> >> 91% >> >> Washtenaw >> >> 106 >> >> 100 >> >> 70 >> >> 30 >> >> 94% >> >> 70% >> >> 0 >> >> 70% >> >> Wayne >> >> 568 >> >> 519 >> >> 325 >> >> 194 >> >> 91% >> >> 63% >> >> 28 >> >> 68% >> >> Wexford >> >> 20 >> >> 20 >> >> 14 >> >> 6 >> >> 100% >> >> 70% >> >> 1 >> >> 75% >> >> Total >> >> 3635 >> >> 3457 >> >> 2579 >> >> 878 >> >> 95.10% >> >> 74.60% >> >> 289 >> >> 83% >> >> table end >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> 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Instead, when you >> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s on your Braille >> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like to save the >> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves each braille volume >> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do this multiple >> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more than one volume. >> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find it a great >> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare more in the past >> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much larger, more >> current collection. >> Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong on your end-- It >> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest contacting your state >> NLS library again and see if they can get you some sort of technical >> support contact info. Someone from the central program that >> administers the Web Braille service might need to look into your >> situation. >> Hope this helps! >> Katie >> >> >> On 7/10/11, Lea williams wrote: >>> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log in it says my user >>> name and password is wrong. I have called and gotten it changed three >>> times and it still says it. wonder what I am doing wrong. >>> >>> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille users! I recently >>>> registered for WebBraille, and am looking forward to all it has >>>> to offer. But I do have this question: when I click on a link >>>> for a book, where can I find a link, button, or something where I >>>> can download the BRF file(s) onto my BrailleNote? I tried to >>>> download Walking Alone and Marching Together last night, and when >>>> I clicked on the link, it put me into the actual book to read >>>> online, but I wanted to download the book to read it in my >>>> BrailleNote's book reader at a later date. How can I do this? >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >>>> >>>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >>>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >>>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >>>> Foundation. >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National Convention >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for the help they have >> provided me over the past week. However, I thought I would also send out a >> general message to thank anyone I may have missed along the way. My >> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to go, but it was exactly >> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on such a public email >> list. >> >> Since the last time I checked the messages on this list was before >> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have already said what >> happened, or at least their version of the story. However, I have already >> shared my version of the story about a million times by now, so if you are >> curious as to what happened, you will just have to wait for another time. >> >> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I just wanted to show >> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along the way. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Yes. >> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss >> something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things >> I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd >> like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still >> have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >>>> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first >>>> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >>>> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >>>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >>>> help to post photos? >>>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >>>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>>> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >>>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and family. I figured >>>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >>>> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >>>> >>>> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Amy Sabo >> To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , >> "OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> < >> 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net >>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) was about 2 years >> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by the way, it was the >> FS >> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it is inaccessible with >> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you using? Which >> operating system? Which version of aim? >> Cheers, Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Amy Sabo >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO >> ASSOCIATION >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> >>> >>> Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >>> I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> ************************************** >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:26:07 -0500 From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: <000701cc4008$c5b548d0$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everyone, The 2012 convention will be in Dallas. The six conventions following 2012 will all be in Orlando. Cool!! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six years. --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > I agree with Chris and Sherri. > I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't > leave until the next > Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun > right? Wrong. I didn't get out > of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the > beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? > Because there were too many > things to do at convention. Convention was awesome > and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > more. I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > "required". General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > announce the state > cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > once and I don't think > he even told me where it was. The states should get > them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where it > is. I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > they did a very good > job. For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: > > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > > 2. Re: question about brail to word > program? (Chris Nusbaum) > > 3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day in mi > > (Josh Gregory) > > 4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille > (Katie Wang) > > 5. accessible blog and journal sites > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > > 6. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > > 7. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > > 8. Thanks for the Help at National > Convention (Elizabeth) > > 9. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > > 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > > 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > > 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: NABS list , > NFBMD list , > > NFB > > history list > > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > 5 years > > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > > From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > > > It was announced at the convention that conventions > from 2013 > > through 2017 > > will be held in Orlando. I wish we could extend > the length of > > the convention > > back to how it was and NFB would > > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon. That > way, people could > > get excited > > about Orlando and have time to go places. I > liked the old > > schedule much > > better. If we are going to keep people here for > five years in a > > row, we need > > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > all there is > > to do in > > Orlando. Besides, I like the banquet the night > before the last > > day of > > convention. > > > > > > Sherri Brun > > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other > > plans." John > > Lennon > > > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > > NFBF Newsline? chair > > www.nfbnewsline.org > > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > > http://nfbfgoc.org > > Secretary FDCP INC > > www.fdcp.org > > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindtlk mailing list > > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for blindtlk: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > of the > > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > the BN and > > ask questions when they're having technical > problems. Here's the > > link: > www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. > In > > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > to the BN > > list and forward you any responses off list. > Hope this helps! > > > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > format > > documents into word > > documents. If you want to do so, you will have > to use your > > Braille note to > > do it because there is no program that will translate > and convert > > Keyword > > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > (.doc) > > documents, unless > > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > and then use > > a program > > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > will need > > Duxbury > > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > license if you > > don't > > already have it--you can although try it for free but > some > > functions will be > > disabled) > > I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to > send another > > message off list > > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > is good > > practice for > > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > assistive > > technology. > > Cheers, Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > > Of Andi > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > ask. I use to > > use my brail > > > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > wondering if > > there is a > > > > program to change the files from the brail document to > a word > > document? > > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > simpaler to > > use the > > better, but I still want it to do a good job. > thank you so much > > for your > > help. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Andrews > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > First Portable > > Camera > > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > Reading > > System > > to Support Touchscreen > > for People with Low Vision > > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > Inc. ( > > www.gwmicro.com) > > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > > www.visionaid-international.com) > > are proud to announce the Readit Wand! The > Readit Wand is a > > portable > > camera that > > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read > documents > > for > > the visually impaired. > > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and > more with > > ease > > using the Readit > > Wand. Everything read with the Readit Wand will > be read in a > > clear, > > human-sounding > > voice. The ability to read all of these items > makes Readit Wand > > the > > perfect tool > > for the classroom, at home, or at work. > > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects > via USB. > > The > > 5-megapixel camera > > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for > recognition > > in as > > little as two > > seconds. The stylish and compact Readit Wand > allows for > > automatic > > multi-language > > switching when other languages are installed. > The portability > > and > > multiple language > > support make it the ideal tool for students who are > learning a > > foreign language. > > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > that > > allows > > you to save, load, > > import, and export documents, including PDFs. > Importing PDF > > files > > into the Readit > > software enables users to read PDF files that > originally are > > inaccessible because > > they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also > allows you to > > save > > documents as > > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > document as an > > MP3 > > file to listen > > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > access > > toolbar > > designed specifically > > for low vision users. The toolbar provides the > ability to adjust > > the > > size of the > > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > all the basic > > controls enabling > > low vision users to capture their document, change the > view to > > their > > preference and > > more at the click of a button. > > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > different > > types > > of highlights, > > as well as six different ways to display text, > allowing low > > vision > > users to customize > > the software to their personal preference. > > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > Wand is the > > first > > portable camera > > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > users the > > ability > > to interact > > with the software by simply using their fingers! > This means no > > more > > tracking the > > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > user and > > the > > Readit software, > > creating the best possible user experience. > > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > Readit Wand > > in > > the U.S., developed > > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > in the > > UK. Readit Wand will > > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > > www.gwmicro.com, > > email > > sales at gwmicro.com > > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > > GW Micro, Inc. ( > > www.gwmicro.com) > > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > industry > > since 1990, > > and > > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > > www.visionaid-international.com), > > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > effective > > and > > simple to use > > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > that make > > reading a pleasure > > once again. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. > > dempsey%40g > > mail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > > t.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > > From: Josh Gregory > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day > > in mi > > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > Hi, > > OK, my thoughts. They are, at the moment, each > other's > > competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment > anyway, I doubt > > it. > > Best, > > Josh > > > > sent from my Apex > > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > ensure > > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > Help > > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > jointly > > with ACB on this. What does > > everyone think? > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > Thoughts on this? > > > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities > > motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > can!" How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > at I C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > > From: "joe harcz Comcast" > Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > this day in mi > > Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > > > A Call to Action ? > > > > Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > with Disabilities > > Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > > > A Public Report on > > Polling Place > > > > Accessibility in Michigan > > > > Public Report by > > > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > > > 2011 > > > > Acknowledgements > > > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > is Michigan? > > designated agency to advocate and protect the > legal rights of > > persons with disabilities, mandated > > by federal and state law. MPAS receives > funding from the > > Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > the center for > > Mental Health Services ?Substance > > Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > the > > Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > Social Security > > Administration, the State of Michigan > > and from private donations. > > > > Funding for this report has been made possible > through the U.S. > > Department of Health and Human Services, > Administration for > > Children and Families, and the > > Administration on Developmental > Disabilities. The contents are > > the sole responsibility of the author and do not > necessarily > > represent the official views > > of the U.S. Department of Health and Human > Services. > > > > 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, Inc. This > > publication may be reproduced in part or in its > entirety for > > noncommercial purposes as long > > as appropriate credit is given. > > > > Table of Contents > > > > Executive > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > > > ...................................................5 > > > > Midterm > > > > > Report........................................................... > > > .........................................................6 > > > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > > > > Project.......................................................... > > .........7 > > > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election > > > Officials......................................10 > > > > Next > > > > > Steps............................................................ > > > ..............................................................11 > > > > In > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > > > ..............................................................11 > > > > Accessibility Rate Per > > > > > County........................................................... > > ................................13 > > > > Executive Summary > > > > In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > obstacles at voting > > locations often because their polling place > lacks physical > > accessibility. The Help America > > Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > obstacles faced by > > voters > > with disabilities and authorized funding for the > federally > > mandated Protection and Advocacy > > Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > barriers. > > Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > targeted for > > elimination in the President? proposed > > 2012 budget. > > > > HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, (MPAS), > > and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > with helping to ensure > > the full participation of > > individuals with disabilities in the electoral > process, > > including > > registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > accessing polling > > places. > > > > The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > that every > > eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > to their > > polling > > location and has the opportunity > > to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS > staff members are on > > the ground providing advice, technical > assistance, and training > > to election officials about > > voting accessibility across the spectrum of > disabilities. The > > agency also provides outreach and training to > voters with > > disabilities, poll workers, and > > service providers. MPAS and the Secretary > of State of Michigan > > partnered over the past six years working toward > this goal, > > which > > has been effective in > > increasing physical access to polling locations > throughout > > Michigan. > > > > Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > United States > > Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > subject to intense > > public scrutiny each election > > cycle. Provisions within these protections > prohibit > > discrimination against people with disabilities > in the electoral > > process. Exercising their Constitutional > > right, however, has continued to be a challenge > for individuals > > with disabilities despite changes made to > federal and state laws > > intended to ensure full > > participation. > > > > Key Summary > > > > ? Disability advocates > have visited 95% (3,457) and > > reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > Michigan. > > > > ? Upon initial review, > Michigan Protection and Advocacy > > Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > polling places > > were > > compliant under the Americans > > with Disabilities Act. > > > > ? After working with > state and local officials, it is > > anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > will be increased > > to 90% in 2012. > > > > ? Of the locations that > were inaccessible, 60% had one > > barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > had three or more > > types of barriers. > > > > ? Only six of the 84 > counties in Michigan were 100% > > physically accessible upon initial visit. > > > > ? MPAS continues to > receive complaints regarding the > > AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > device. > > > > Michigan has made great strides toward > accessibility at the > > polls. This report will highlight the > steps taken to ensure > > that > > all polling locations throughout > > Michigan are accessible to voters with > disabilities. In > > addition, the report will offer recommendations > for Michigan to > > achieve and maintain an accessibility > > rate of 100%. > > > > 2010 Mid Term Report > > > > Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > the country, > > Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > in 2002. HAVA > > included sweeping legislation > > intended to modernize the electoral system for > all voters, > > including those with disabilities. The > Help America Vote Act > > reinforced the application of > > Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > and Section 504 > > of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in > 2004, Michigan > > lawmakers amended Michigan election > > law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > removal of physical > > barriers at polling locations. > Irrespective of both federal and > > state law, 25% of Michigan's > > voting locations continued to be inaccessible > for the November > > 2010 general election. To achieve an > all-encompassing voting > > standard for the fifty states, > > HAVA included two key components for the > disability community: > > > > ? All polling places > must have at least one voting system > > which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > privately and > > independently, whether or not one > > has a disability. > > > > ? States must ensure > accessibility at all public polling > > places in a manner compliant with the Americans > with > > Disabilities > > Act (ADA). > > > > Accessible Voting System > > > > In 2004, the disability community and the > Michigan Secretary of > > State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > assessing which > > accessible device would best > > fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > selected the > > AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible > ballot marking device > > that can be used by all voters > > with or without disabilities. > > > > Although every polling location is equipped with > the AutoMARK, > > each municipality is responsible for making sure > it is set up > > and > > operating properly. Unfortunately, > > MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > AutoMARK. Voter > > complaints have included the following: > the AutoMARK was boxed > > up on Election Day, unplugged, > > jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > could see the > > ?ecret?ballot. Complaints concerning > jammed ballots have been > > greatly reduced since the > > last round of updates were completed. > Because the AutoMARK is > > used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > feedback to > > correct these kinds of problems. > > MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > complaints as they > > arise. > > > > Accessible Polling Places > > > > Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > money to assist > > with > > the purchase of accessible equipment like the > AutoMARK, but also > > to help municipalities > > make their polling places physically > accessible. Congress > > recognized that in order for people to use the > accessible voting > > machines, the building must > > also be accessible so voters can access the > polling location and > > voting equipment. It is the local election > officials? > > responsibility to make sure all > > polling locations are accessible on Election > Day. To help cover > > the expense for removing barriers at polling > locations, the > > Michigan BOE administers a > > grant program called Access for All, under the > U.S. Department > > of Health and Human Services with funding > allocated through > > HAVA, > > to help the state comply > > with HAVA. In most circumstances, the > Access for All grants > > cover all costs associated with accessibility > upgrades for > > polling locations. > > > > When Michigan? State Plan to implement > provisions under HAVA > > was > > initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > required to complete an > > accessibility checklist > > to determine whether or not their locations were > accessible. > > This was one of the state? first attempts to > gather information > > on Michigan? polling place > > accessibility. During this time, MPAS and > other organizations > > were working closely with individual election > officials on > > polling location reviews and > > were also training the municipal clerks on the > accessibility > > requirements. MPAS also spent a > considerable amount of time > > assisting clerks with assessing > > the accessibility of their polling locations and > helping them > > apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS > found that the > > accessibility data provided by > > clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > reliable. > > > > MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > (BOE) attention > > and > > shared independent accessibility reviews with > them. The BOE has > > since increased efforts > > to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > communication > > and requiring additional documentation from the > clerks. > > > > In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > polling locations > > randomly, without notifying the election > official in advance. > > After compiling this data on > > polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > of > > inaccessibility became a heightened > concern. Once these > > concerns > > were communicated to the Bureau of > > Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > dramatically > > increasing their involvement in the advancement > of polling place > > accessibility. > > > > This same year, the federal government began > reviewing how the > > states were spending HAVA funds. This > fueled speculation that > > the federal government would > > eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > some states had > > not spent their money, rather placing it in an > account and > > allowing the funds to gain > > interest. Concerned that Congress would > pull the allocated > > funds > > completely, which would prevent municipalities > from accessing > > money to make polling places > > accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > of Elections, > > embarked on a project to ensure 100% > accessibility at all > > Michigan polling places. > > > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > > > In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > of a statewide > > plan to reach 100% polling place > accessibility. MPAS and the > > Bureau of Elections strengthened > > their partnership in order to achieve this > goal. Within this > > plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > locations throughout > > the state. Michigan has > > approximately 3,600 polling places in > total. MPAS had already > > gathered information on 530 polling places prior > to 2010, > > therefore, did not revisit those > > locations (some were initially accessible and > others MPAS worked > > closely with clerks to improve > accessibility. MPAS is still > > working with clerks to bring > > the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > into compliance). > > MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > polling locations in > > 2010. > > > > Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > least 95% of the > > polling places in Michigan. > > > > The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > nearly 25% of the > > polling places that remained physically > inaccessible as required > > by the Americans with > > Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > > > Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > 2,927 were assessed > > between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG > as a benchmark to > > determine physical accessibility, > > over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > locations visited, > > had physical barriers failing to comply with the > ADAAG ? > > barriers > > that create potential > > difficulties to voters with disabilities on > Election Day. > > > > Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > from fully > > participating in all aspects of society because > of their > > disability. This might include > architectural > > barriers, physical barriers, communication > barriers, attitudinal > > barriers, cultural barriers, etc. > Throughout this project, > > MPAS? > > reviews focused primarily > > on physical and external barriers, which are > defined as > > something > > material that blocks passage. Physical > barriers addressed in > > this report include objects > > in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > doorways, > > inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > inaccessible door > > hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > > > Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > 2010, 28% did not > > meet accessibility standards. Based on > discussions with the BOE > > in 2008, when MPAS completed > > the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > notified with a > > letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > they were also > > notified by the Bureau of Elections. > > MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > municipalities > > plans to meet ADA requirements. The > letters contained a > > photograph of the problem area(s), > > along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. > Within a five month > > period, letters were sent to over 440 > municipalities concerning > > approximately 800 polling > > locations. > > > > As shown below, 28% of the polling places > visited in 2010 had > > some type of physical barrier present at the > time of review. > > > > The following chart highlights the most common > number of > > physical > > barriers discovered at each location. > > > > A majority of the locations reviewed had only > one physical > > barrier present. While the largest and > most frequent problem > > was > > related to parking, the types > > of barriers at each location varied as shown in > the following > > chart. > > > > Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > accessible parking > > but no signs posted Parking: > locations that had no parking > > designated or noncompliant access > > aisles Pathway: barriers that > existed between access aisles > > and > > entryway Entrance: problems such as > door width, door > > thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > > etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > ramps, handrails, > > thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election Officials > > > > After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > notified municipal > > clerks of locations where barriers were > discovered. Within a > > four-month period, over 440 > > letters were sent to election officials. > By the end of 2010, > > 88% > > of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > plan of > > correction. > > In addition, MPAS > > provided technical assistance to the election > officials on how > > to > > improve access to their polling location in > order to come into > > compliance. Based on > > the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > us they were > > would make the changes required; 31% corrected > the barriers at > > the polling locations; 9% > > were going to apply for Access for All grant; > and the remaining > > responses varied from clerk using temporary > equipment. > > > > When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > completed, MPAS > > required documentation from each clerk proving > or stating that > > the work had been completed, > > including photographs and/or copies of purchase > orders. A > > majority of the clerks responded either with a > plan of > > correction > > for spring 2011 or with a > > statement that the work was completed. > MPAS is still waiting > > for > > some clerks to confirm that the work was done > sufficiently. > > Once > > the removal of barriers > > at these locations has been verified, MPAS > expects Michigan? > > polling place accessibility rate to rise to > nearly 90 % ?-- > > one of the highest in the nation. > > There remains, however, substantial work to be > completed in the > > city of Detroit in order to reach this > goal. The remaining 12% > > of clerks, who did not respond > > to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > correction, > > will > > become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > accessibility. > > > > NEXT STEPS > > > > While the focus of this report has been on > reaching the 90% > > accessibility rate, there would still be > approximately 10% of > > polling locations in Michigan > > that are not accessible to all voters. > Some clerks disagree > > with > > the findings and MPAS is working with those > clerks. > > > > In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > polling locations > > that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > breaking them > > into > > three categories: failure > > to communicate; work promised but documentation > still needed; > > and > > locations requiring review by MPAS. > > > > MPAS will focus attention on election officials > who have failed > > to respond to MPAS communication attempts. > This may involve > > revisiting the location (some > > clerks correct the problem even when they fail > to respond), > > attending city council/township meetings, filing > official HAVA > > complaints, and/or pursuing > > legal action under different funding > sources. MPAS?goal has > > always been to educate clerks and assist them > with improving > > access first by proposing solutions > > to removing barriers. > > > > In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > monitoring the > > correction plans that election officials have > submitted to > > ensure > > that barriers are removed. > > MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > locations that have > > not been visited yet. > > > > In Summary > > > > Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > between MPAS and > > the > > Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > crucial. The state > > reinforced the necessity of > > accessible elections. They followed up > with each municipality > > whose polling place was noted as being > inaccessible in order to > > determine the jurisdiction's > > planned course of action. In addition, the > BOE coordinated and > > extended Michigan's polling place improvement > grant well into > > the > > fall to assist municipalities > > in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > > > Local election officials can either upgrade > their polling places > > (with or without grant funds), or relocate the > polling place to > > an accessible site. The > > Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > project, they > > have seen a large increase in the number of > municipalities > > applying for grant money. In > > an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > extended the > > typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > additional > > opportunity to respond to MPAS? > > letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > funds. The > > Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > applications, the > > largest amount ever received > > in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant > applications, 66 > > applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > plan of > > correction - 89% of those who applied. > > A large number of municipalities have pledged to > apply when the > > next grant period opens in early 2011. > > > > If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > proposed > > budget > > cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > partnership with the > > Secretary of State, ensuring > > all elections are accessible to all > voters. Additionally, MPAS > > encourages clerks to reach out to local > disability groups for > > future trainings. Listed > > below are additional recommendations moving > forward. > > > > Summary/Recommendations: > > > > ? Local clerks must be > required to notify the Bureau of > > Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > > > ? Accessibility checks > should be completed when clerks > > change polling locations, to verify > accessibility. Reports > > (with > > photographs) should be submitted > > to the Bureau of Elections. > > > > ? New polling locations > must be required to adhere to the > > Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > Guidelines. > > > > ? The advisory committee > in charge of amending the State > > Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > ways to hold > > clerks accountable and implement > > model oversight programs. > > > > ? Access for All grant > money should be available > > throughout > > the year, so accessibility problems can be > addressed anytime > > they > > arise. > > > > ? The Bureau of > Elections and local clerks should continue > > working with disability advocacy organizations > to complete > > year-round polling place accessibility > > audits and training to clerks. > > > > Accessibility Rate by County > > > > Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > > > County > > > > Polling Locations > > > > Visited > > > > Accessible > > > > Barriers Discovered > > > > Percent Visited > > > > % Accessible of those Visited > > > > Now Complete > > > > % Now Accessible > > > > Alcona > > > > 12 > > > > 12 > > > > 8 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 67% > > > > 3 > > > > 92% > > > > Alger > > > > 10 > > > > 10 > > > > 5 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 50% > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > Allegan > > > > 37 > > > > 37 > > > > 35 > > > > 2 > > > > 100% > > > > 95% > > > > 1 > > > > 97% > > > > Alpena > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 8 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 53% > > > > 1 > > > > 60% > > > > Antrim > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 9 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 60% > > > > 2 > > > > 73% > > > > Arenac > > > > 14 > > > > 14 > > > > 10 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 71% > > > > 3 > > > > 93% > > > > Baraga > > > > 8 > > > > 6 > > > > 1 > > > > 5 > > > > 75% > > > > 17% > > > > 1 > > > > 33% > > > > Barry > > > > 23 > > > > 23 > > > > 18 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 78% > > > > 1 > > > > 83% > > > > Bay > > > > 49 > > > > 48 > > > > 36 > > > > 12 > > > > 98% > > > > 75% > > > > 1 > > > > 77% > > > > Benzie > > > > 13 > > > > 13 > > > > 6 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 46% > > > > 4 > > > > 77% > > > > Berrien > > > > 57 > > > > 57 > > > > 43 > > > > 14 > > > > 100% > > > > 75% > > > > 8 > > > > 89% > > > > Branch > > > > 18 > > > > 17 > > > > 9 > > > > 8 > > > > 94% > > > > 53% > > > > 6 > > > > 88% > > > > Calhoun > > > > 46 > > > > 43 > > > > 34 > > > > 9 > > > > 93% > > > > 79% > > > > 3 > > > > 86% > > > > Cass > > > > 19 > > > > 19 > > > > 12 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 63% > > > > 6 > > > > 95% > > > > Charlevoix > > > > 18 > > > > 16 > > > > 10 > > > > 6 > > > > 89% > > > > 63% > > > > 1 > > > > 69% > > > > Cheboygan > > > > 20 > > > > 20 > > > > 14 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 70% > > > > 5 > > > > 95% > > > > Chippewa > > > > 19 > > > > 18 > > > > 13 > > > > 5 > > > > 95% > > > > 72% > > > > 4 > > > > 94% > > > > Clare > > > > 19 > > > > 16 > > > > 13 > > > > 3 > > > > 84% > > > > 81% > > > > 2 > > > > 94% > > > > Clinton > > > > 28 > > > > 26 > > > > 24 > > > > 2 > > > > 93% > > > > 92% > > > > 1 > > > > 96% > > > > Crawford > > > > 7 > > > > 7 > > > > 6 > > > > 1 > > > > 100% > > > > 86% > > > > 0 > > > > 86% > > > > Delta > > > > 21 > > > > 20 > > > > 11 > > > > 9 > > > > 95% > > > > 55% > > > > 1 > > > > 60% > > > > Dickinson > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 6 > > > > 9 > > > > 100% > > > > 40% > > > > 5 > > > > 73% > > > > Eaton > > > > 36 > > > > 36 > > > > 28 > > > > 8 > > > > 100% > > > > 78% > > > > 2 > > > > 83% > > > > Emmet > > > > 19 > > > > 19 > > > > 12 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 63% > > > > 5 > > > > 89% > > > > Genesee > > > > 119 > > > > 109 > > > > 84 > > > > 25 > > > > 92% > > > > 77% > > > > 2 > > > > 79% > > > > Gladwin > > > > 17 > > > > 17 > > > > 11 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 65% > > > > 1 > > > > 71% > > > > Gogebic > > > > 10 > > > > 10 > > > > 7 > > > > 3 > > > > 100% > > > > 70% > > > > 2 > > > > 90% > > > > Grand Traverse > > > > 28 > > > > 27 > > > > 27 > > > > 0 > > > > 96% > > > > 100% > > > > 0 > > > > 100% > > > > Gratiot > > > > 23 > > > > 23 > > > > 16 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 70% > > > > 2 > > > > 78% > > > > Hillsdale > > > > 21 > > > > 21 > > > > 12 > > > > 9 > > > > 100% > > > > 57% > > > > 3 > > > > 71% > > > > Houghton > > > > 31 > > > > 22 > > > > 9 > > > > 13 > > > > 71% > > > > 41% > > > > 5 > > > > 64% > > > > Huron > > > > 30 > > > > 29 > > > > 18 > > > > 11 > > > > 97% > > > > 62% > > > > 5 > > > > 79% > > > > Ingham > > > > 95 > > > > 81 > > > > 78 > > > > 3 > > > > 85% > > > > 96% > > > > 0 > > > > 96% > > > > Ionia > > > > 22 > > > > 22 > > > > 17 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 77% > > > > 1 > > > > 82% > > > > Iosco > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 14 > > > > 1 > > > > 100% > > > > 93% > > > > 1 > > > > 100% > > > > Iron > > > > 12 > > > > 12 > > > > 6 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 50% > > > > 2 > > > > 67% > > > > Isabella > > > > 25 > > > > 25 > > > > 19 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 76% > > > > 1 > > > > 80% > > > > Jackson > > > > 47 > > > > 45 > > > > 34 > > > > 11 > > > > 96% > > > > 76% > > > > 2 > > > > 80% > > > > Kalamazoo > > > > 97 > > > > 97 > > > > 79 > > > > 18 > > > > 100% > > > > 81% > > > > 7 > > > > 89% > > > > Kalkaska > > > > 12 > > > > 12 > > > > 8 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 67% > > > > 1 > > > > 75% > > > > Kent > > > > 209 > > > > 207 > > > > 174 > > > > 33 > > > > 99% > > > > 84% > > > > 11 > > > > 89% > > > > Keweenaw > > > > 5 > > > > 4 > > > > 4 > > > > 0 > > > > 80% > > > > 100% > > > > 0 > > > > 100% > > > > Lake > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 8 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 53% > > > > 2 > > > > 67% > > > > Lapeer > > > > 24 > > > > 24 > > > > 20 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 83% > > > > 2 > > > > 92% > > > > Leelanau > > > > 13 > > > > 13 > > > > 8 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 62% > > > > 1 > > > > 69% > > > > Lenawee > > > > 30 > > > > 30 > > > > 23 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 77% > > > > 4 > > > > 90% > > > > Livingston > > > > 48 > > > > 45 > > > > 35 > > > > 10 > > > > 94% > > > > 78% > > > > 0 > > > > 78% > > > > Luce > > > > 4 > > > > 4 > > > > 3 > > > > 1 > > > > 100% > > > > 75% > > > > 0 > > > > 75% > > > > Mackinac > > > > 13 > > > > 10 > > > > 5 > > > > 5 > > > > 77% > > > > 50% > > > > 1 > > > > 60% > > > > Macomb > > > > 235 > > > > 233 > > > > 188 > > > > 45 > > > > 99% > > > > 81% > > > > 17 > > > > 88% > > > > Manistee > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 11 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 73% > > > > 3 > > > > 93% > > > > Marquette > > > > 29 > > > > 29 > > > > 16 > > > > 13 > > > > 100% > > > > 55% > > > > 1 > > > > 59% > > > > Mason > > > > 23 > > > > 23 > > > > 15 > > > > 8 > > > > 100% > > > > 65% > > > > 3 > > > > 78% > > > > Mecosta > > > > 22 > > > > 22 > > > > 18 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 82% > > > > 1 > > > > 86% > > > > Menominee > > > > 16 > > > > 14 > > > > 8 > > > > 6 > > > > 88% > > > > 57% > > > > 0 > > > > 57% > > > > Midland > > > > 38 > > > > 29 > > > > 22 > > > > 7 > > > > 76% > > > > 76% > > > > 4 > > > > 90% > > > > Missaukee > > > > 17 > > > > 17 > > > > 14 > > > > 3 > > > > 100% > > > > 82% > > > > 3 > > > > 100% > > > > Monroe > > > > 42 > > > > 36 > > > > 27 > > > > 9 > > > > 86% > > > > 75% > > > > 5 > > > > 89% > > > > Montcalm > > > > 26 > > > > 25 > > > > 21 > > > > 4 > > > > 96% > > > > 84% > > > > 2 > > > > 92% > > > > Montmorency > > > > 9 > > > > 9 > > > > 7 > > > > 2 > > > > 100% > > > > 78% > > > > 1 > > > > 89% > > > > Muskegon > > > > 72 > > > > 71 > > > > 68 > > > > 3 > > > > 99% > > > > 96% > > > > 2 > > > > 99% > > > > Newaygo > > > > 28 > > > > 28 > > > > 22 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 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> > > 11 > > > > 11 > > > > 11 > > > > 0 > > > > 100% > > > > 100% > > > > 0 > > > > 100% > > > > Saginaw > > > > 75 > > > > 75 > > > > 61 > > > > 14 > > > > 100% > > > > 81% > > > > 8 > > > > 92% > > > > Sanilac > > > > 30 > > > > 30 > > > > 26 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 87% > > > > 3 > > > > 97% > > > > Schoolcraft > > > > 10 > > > > 10 > > > > 6 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 60% > > > > 2 > > > > 80% > > > > Shiawassee > > > > 27 > > > > 27 > > > > 17 > > > > 10 > > > > 100% > > > > 63% > > > > 3 > > > > 74% > > > > St. Clair > > > > 52 > > > > 48 > > > > 44 > > > > 4 > > > > 92% > > > > 92% > > > > 3 > > > > 98% > > > > St. Joseph > > > > 17 > > > > 17 > > > > 12 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 71% > > > > 2 > > > > 82% > > > > Tuscola > > > > 25 > > > > 24 > > > > 16 > > > > 8 > > > > 96% > > > > 67% > > > > 2 > > > > 75% > > > > Van Buren > > > > 23 > > > > 22 > > > > 19 > > > > 3 > > > > 96% > > > > 86% > > > > 1 > > > > 91% > > > > Washtenaw > > > > 106 > > > > 100 > > > > 70 > > > > 30 > > > > 94% > > > > 70% > > > > 0 > > > > 70% > > > > Wayne > > > > 568 > > > > 519 > > > > 325 > > > > 194 > > > > 91% > > > > 63% > > > > 28 > > > > 68% > > > > Wexford > > > > 20 > > > > 20 > > > > 14 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 70% > > > > 1 > > > > 75% > > > > Total > > > > 3635 > > > > 3457 > > > > 2579 > > > > 878 > > > > 95.10% > > > > 74.60% > > > > 289 > > > > 83% > > > > table end > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > > From: Katie Wang > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Chris, there is no Download button on Web > Braille. Instead, when you > > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > on your Braille > > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > to save the > > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves > each braille volume > > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > this multiple > > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > than one volume. > > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > it a great > > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > more in the past > > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > larger, more > > current collection. > > Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > on your end-- It > > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest > contacting your state > > NLS library again and see if they can get you > some sort of technical > > support contact info. Someone from the central program > that > > administers the Web Braille service might need to look > into your > > situation. > > Hope this helps! > > Katie > > > > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: > > > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > in it says my user > > > name and password is wrong. I have called and > gotten it changed three > > > times and it still says it. wonder what I am > doing wrong. > > > > > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > users! I recently > > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking > forward to all it has > > >> to offer. But I do have this question: > when I click on a link > > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, > or something where I > > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my > BrailleNote? I tried to > > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together > last night, and when > > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the > actual book to read > > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to > read it in my > > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later > date. How can I do this? > > >> Thanks! > > >> > > >> Chris > > >> > > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > (Camp Abilities motto) > > >> > > >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say > "I can!" How? Click > > >> on this link to learn more and to > contribute: > > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > Facebook at I C.A.N. > > >> Foundation. > > >> > > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lea Williams > > > > > > Phone; > > > 704-732-4470 > > > Skipe; > > > Lea.williams738 > > > Facebook > > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > > > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi all, > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers > generally write first > > person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update > it? Is it possible to > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted > > help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > family. I figured > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there? Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you > update it? Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Joshua, > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > to discuss something > > common? > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > This would be a good idea if I had several > people interested in a forum. > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that > was one of the things I > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to > post online, I'd like > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > are accessible. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there? Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you > update it? Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > > From: Elizabeth > > To: > > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > Convention > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > the help they have > > provided me over the past week. However, I thought I > would also send out a > > general message to thank anyone I may have missed > along the way. My > > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > go, but it was exactly > > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > such a public email > > list. > > > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this > list was before > > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > already said what > > happened, or at least their version of the story. > However, I have already > > shared my version of the story about a million times > by now, so if you are > > curious as to what happened, you will just have to > wait for another time. > > > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I > just wanted to show > > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > the way. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Yes. > > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Joshua, > > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > people to discuss > > something > > > common? > > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > > This would be a good idea if I had several > people interested in a forum. > > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and > that was one of the things > > I > > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to post online, I'd > > like > > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > they are accessible. > > > > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joshua Lester > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > > > Ashley: > > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > blind people? > > > I've found an accessible one. > > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still > > have > > > it.) > > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > more than one blog. > > >> So what accessible sites are there? Do > bloggers generally write first > > >> person stories, or about things they see that > are more objective? > > >> Any of you have a blog? How often do > you update it? Is it possible to > > >> upload photos to it to go along with your > story? Or maybe you need > > sighted > > >> help to post photos? > > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips > need to be in? > > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same > site? Can > > >> you write as much as you want or is there a > word limit? > > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > >> opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > >> > > >> What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks. > > >> Ashley > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Amy Sabo > > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , > > "OF BLIND STUDENTS, > COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > > < > > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > > From: "Humberto Avila" > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > (AIM) was about 2 years > > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > the way, it was the > > FS > > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it > is inaccessible with > > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > using? Which > > operating system? Which version of aim? > > Cheers, Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > > Behalf > > Of Amy Sabo > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > STUDENTS, COLORADO > > ASSOCIATION > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > > From: David Andrews > > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > > > > > > > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > > >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > ************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 14 ************************************** From amylsabo at comcast.net Mon Jul 11 21:58:37 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem In-Reply-To: <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <38110066.351607.1310421517264.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> thanks for your reply to my message. i'm using jfw 12 and, i believe it's the latest version of aim which is 4.5. why do you ask... thanks, amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Humberto Avila To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:35:34 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) was about 2 years ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by the way, it was the FS cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it is inaccessible with JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you using? Which operating system? Which version of aim? Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem hello all, i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! hugs, amy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jul 11 22:12:46 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:12:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem In-Reply-To: <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE@HumbertoAvila> References: <1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: I heard aim used to be accessible. Yep, maybe they've updated with some new inaccessible features. Amy, I suggest you call FS tech support to find out if you can do anything to access this better. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:35 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) was about 2 years ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by the way, it was the FS cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it is inaccessible with JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you using? Which operating system? Which version of aim? Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem hello all, i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! hugs, amy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 22:20:25 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:20:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem In-Reply-To: <38110066.351607.1310421517264.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE@HumbertoAvila> <38110066.351607.1310421517264.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello, I think Jaws should work with aim. I haven't heard about accessibility lately but, looks like JAWS 12 still supports this program. Have you tried using the JAWS cursor? Also, you should be able to label most graphics by using the auto graphics labeler, this function is activated by pressing Insert+control+g. JAWS will say "Starting Auto graphics labeler" and will automatically try to label the graphics it encounters with tool tip text. If this still does not work, contact Freedom Scientific support department. They should be able to help you more on this. Their email is: support at freedomScientific.com. Their telephone number is: 1-800-444-4443. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem thanks for your reply to my message. i'm using jfw 12 and, i believe it's the latest version of aim which is 4.5. why do you ask... thanks, amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Humberto Avila To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:35:34 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) was about 2 years ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by the way, it was the FS cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it is inaccessible with JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you using? Which operating system? Which version of aim? Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem hello all, i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having problems with the latest version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the features on it to change the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is there a way in where i can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts for jfw that i can use? thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! hugs, amy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.n et _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 22:21:18 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:21:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem Message-ID: <4e1b7781.31ad340a.4efa.4972@mx.google.com> Um... just a thought, but what about using Miranda? You know, that program that supports like almost every instant messaging thing out there? Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <1310412991.9649.YahooMailClassic@web162020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000701cc4008$c5b548d0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <4BDB7163F8D549F8BFC182F54FF7702B@OwnerPC> The same city for six years? That hasn't been done before. Is that right? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Hello everyone, The 2012 convention will be in Dallas. The six conventions following 2012 will all be in Orlando. Cool!! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six years. --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > I agree with Chris and Sherri. > I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't > leave until the next > Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun > right? Wrong. I didn't get out > of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the > beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? > Because there were too many > things to do at convention. Convention was awesome > and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > more. I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > "required". General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > announce the state > cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > once and I don't think > he even told me where it was. The states should get > them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where it > is. I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > they did a very good > job. For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: > > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > > 2. Re: question about brail to word > program? (Chris Nusbaum) > > 3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day in mi > > (Josh Gregory) > > 4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille > (Katie Wang) > > 5. accessible blog and journal sites > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > > 6. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > > 7. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > > 8. Thanks for the Help at National > Convention (Elizabeth) > > 9. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > > 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > > 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > > 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: NABS list , > NFBMD list , > > NFB > > history list > > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > 5 years > > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > > From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > > > It was announced at the convention that conventions > from 2013 > > through 2017 > > will be held in Orlando. I wish we could extend > the length of > > the convention > > back to how it was and NFB would > > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon. That > way, people could > > get excited > > about Orlando and have time to go places. I > liked the old > > schedule much > > better. If we are going to keep people here for > five years in a > > row, we need > > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > all there is > > to do in > > Orlando. Besides, I like the banquet the night > before the last > > day of > > convention. > > > > > > Sherri Brun > > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other > > plans." John > > Lennon > > > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > > NFBF Newsline? chair > > www.nfbnewsline.org > > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > > http://nfbfgoc.org > > Secretary FDCP INC > > www.fdcp.org > > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindtlk mailing list > > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for blindtlk: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > of the > > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > the BN and > > ask questions when they're having technical > problems. Here's the > > link: > www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. > In > > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > to the BN > > list and forward you any responses off list. > Hope this helps! > > > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > format > > documents into word > > documents. If you want to do so, you will have > to use your > > Braille note to > > do it because there is no program that will translate > and convert > > Keyword > > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > (.doc) > > documents, unless > > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > and then use > > a program > > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > will need > > Duxbury > > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > license if you > > don't > > already have it--you can although try it for free but > some > > functions will be > > disabled) > > I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to > send another > > message off list > > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > is good > > practice for > > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > assistive > > technology. > > Cheers, Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > > Of Andi > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > ask. I use to > > use my brail > > > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > wondering if > > there is a > > > > program to change the files from the brail document to > a word > > document? > > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > simpaler to > > use the > > better, but I still want it to do a good job. > thank you so much > > for your > > help. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Andrews > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > First Portable > > Camera > > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > Reading > > System > > to Support Touchscreen > > for People with Low Vision > > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > Inc. 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The stylish and compact Readit Wand > allows for > > automatic > > multi-language > > switching when other languages are installed. > The portability > > and > > multiple language > > support make it the ideal tool for students who are > learning a > > foreign language. > > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > that > > allows > > you to save, load, > > import, and export documents, including PDFs. > Importing PDF > > files > > into the Readit > > software enables users to read PDF files that > originally are > > inaccessible because > > they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also > allows you to > > save > > documents as > > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > document as an > > MP3 > > file to listen > > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > access > > toolbar > > designed specifically > > for low vision users. The toolbar provides the > ability to adjust > > the > > size of the > > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > all the basic > > controls enabling > > low vision users to capture their document, change the > view to > > their > > preference and > > more at the click of a button. > > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > different > > types > > of highlights, > > as well as six different ways to display text, > allowing low > > vision > > users to customize > > the software to their personal preference. > > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > Wand is the > > first > > portable camera > > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > users the > > ability > > to interact > > with the software by simply using their fingers! > This means no > > more > > tracking the > > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > user and > > the > > Readit software, > > creating the best possible user experience. > > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > Readit Wand > > in > > the U.S., developed > > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > in the > > UK. Readit Wand will > > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > > www.gwmicro.com, > > email > > sales at gwmicro.com > > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > > GW Micro, Inc. ( > > www.gwmicro.com) > > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > industry > > since 1990, > > and > > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > > www.visionaid-international.com), > > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > effective > > and > > simple to use > > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > that make > > reading a pleasure > > once again. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. > > dempsey%40g > > mail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > > t.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > > From: Josh Gregory > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day > > in mi > > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > Hi, > > OK, my thoughts. They are, at the moment, each > other's > > competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment > anyway, I doubt > > it. > > Best, > > Josh > > > > sent from my Apex > > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > ensure > > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > Help > > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > jointly > > with ACB on this. What does > > everyone think? > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > > day in mi > > > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > Thoughts on this? > > > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities > > motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > can!" How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > at I C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > > From: "joe harcz Comcast" > Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > this day in mi > > Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > > > A Call to Action ? > > > > Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > with Disabilities > > Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > > > A Public Report on > > Polling Place > > > > Accessibility in Michigan > > > > Public Report by > > > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > > > 2011 > > > > Acknowledgements > > > > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > is Michigan? > > designated agency to advocate and protect the > legal rights of > > persons with disabilities, mandated > > by federal and state law. MPAS receives > funding from the > > Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > the center for > > Mental Health Services ?Substance > > Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > the > > Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > Social Security > > Administration, the State of Michigan > > and from private donations. > > > > Funding for this report has been made possible > through the U.S. > > Department of Health and Human Services, > Administration for > > Children and Families, and the > > Administration on Developmental > Disabilities. The contents are > > the sole responsibility of the author and do not > necessarily > > represent the official views > > of the U.S. Department of Health and Human > Services. > > > > 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, Inc. This > > publication may be reproduced in part or in its > entirety for > > noncommercial purposes as long > > as appropriate credit is given. > > > > Table of Contents > > > > Executive > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > > > ...................................................5 > > > > Midterm > > > > > Report........................................................... > > > .........................................................6 > > > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > > > > Project.......................................................... > > .........7 > > > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election > > > Officials......................................10 > > > > Next > > > > > Steps............................................................ > > > ..............................................................11 > > > > In > > > > > Summary.......................................................... > > > ..............................................................11 > > > > Accessibility Rate Per > > > > > County........................................................... > > ................................13 > > > > Executive Summary > > > > In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > obstacles at voting > > locations often because their polling place > lacks physical > > accessibility. The Help America > > Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > obstacles faced by > > voters > > with disabilities and authorized funding for the > federally > > mandated Protection and Advocacy > > Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > barriers. > > Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > targeted for > > elimination in the President? proposed > > 2012 budget. > > > > HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, (MPAS), > > and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > with helping to ensure > > the full participation of > > individuals with disabilities in the electoral > process, > > including > > registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > accessing polling > > places. > > > > The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > that every > > eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > to their > > polling > > location and has the opportunity > > to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS > staff members are on > > the ground providing advice, technical > assistance, and training > > to election officials about > > voting accessibility across the spectrum of > disabilities. The > > agency also provides outreach and training to > voters with > > disabilities, poll workers, and > > service providers. MPAS and the Secretary > of State of Michigan > > partnered over the past six years working toward > this goal, > > which > > has been effective in > > increasing physical access to polling locations > throughout > > Michigan. > > > > Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > United States > > Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > subject to intense > > public scrutiny each election > > cycle. Provisions within these protections > prohibit > > discrimination against people with disabilities > in the electoral > > process. Exercising their Constitutional > > right, however, has continued to be a challenge > for individuals > > with disabilities despite changes made to > federal and state laws > > intended to ensure full > > participation. > > > > Key Summary > > > > ? Disability advocates > have visited 95% (3,457) and > > reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > Michigan. > > > > ? Upon initial review, > Michigan Protection and Advocacy > > Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > polling places > > were > > compliant under the Americans > > with Disabilities Act. > > > > ? After working with > state and local officials, it is > > anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > will be increased > > to 90% in 2012. > > > > ? Of the locations that > were inaccessible, 60% had one > > barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > had three or more > > types of barriers. > > > > ? Only six of the 84 > counties in Michigan were 100% > > physically accessible upon initial visit. > > > > ? MPAS continues to > receive complaints regarding the > > AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > device. > > > > Michigan has made great strides toward > accessibility at the > > polls. This report will highlight the > steps taken to ensure > > that > > all polling locations throughout > > Michigan are accessible to voters with > disabilities. In > > addition, the report will offer recommendations > for Michigan to > > achieve and maintain an accessibility > > rate of 100%. > > > > 2010 Mid Term Report > > > > Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > the country, > > Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > in 2002. HAVA > > included sweeping legislation > > intended to modernize the electoral system for > all voters, > > including those with disabilities. The > Help America Vote Act > > reinforced the application of > > Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > and Section 504 > > of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in > 2004, Michigan > > lawmakers amended Michigan election > > law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > removal of physical > > barriers at polling locations. > Irrespective of both federal and > > state law, 25% of Michigan's > > voting locations continued to be inaccessible > for the November > > 2010 general election. To achieve an > all-encompassing voting > > standard for the fifty states, > > HAVA included two key components for the > disability community: > > > > ? All polling places > must have at least one voting system > > which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > privately and > > independently, whether or not one > > has a disability. > > > > ? States must ensure > accessibility at all public polling > > places in a manner compliant with the Americans > with > > Disabilities > > Act (ADA). > > > > Accessible Voting System > > > > In 2004, the disability community and the > Michigan Secretary of > > State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > assessing which > > accessible device would best > > fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > selected the > > AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible > ballot marking device > > that can be used by all voters > > with or without disabilities. > > > > Although every polling location is equipped with > the AutoMARK, > > each municipality is responsible for making sure > it is set up > > and > > operating properly. Unfortunately, > > MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > AutoMARK. Voter > > complaints have included the following: > the AutoMARK was boxed > > up on Election Day, unplugged, > > jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > could see the > > ?ecret?ballot. Complaints concerning > jammed ballots have been > > greatly reduced since the > > last round of updates were completed. > Because the AutoMARK is > > used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > feedback to > > correct these kinds of problems. > > MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > complaints as they > > arise. > > > > Accessible Polling Places > > > > Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > money to assist > > with > > the purchase of accessible equipment like the > AutoMARK, but also > > to help municipalities > > make their polling places physically > accessible. Congress > > recognized that in order for people to use the > accessible voting > > machines, the building must > > also be accessible so voters can access the > polling location and > > voting equipment. It is the local election > officials? > > responsibility to make sure all > > polling locations are accessible on Election > Day. To help cover > > the expense for removing barriers at polling > locations, the > > Michigan BOE administers a > > grant program called Access for All, under the > U.S. Department > > of Health and Human Services with funding > allocated through > > HAVA, > > to help the state comply > > with HAVA. In most circumstances, the > Access for All grants > > cover all costs associated with accessibility > upgrades for > > polling locations. > > > > When Michigan? State Plan to implement > provisions under HAVA > > was > > initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > required to complete an > > accessibility checklist > > to determine whether or not their locations were > accessible. > > This was one of the state? first attempts to > gather information > > on Michigan? polling place > > accessibility. During this time, MPAS and > other organizations > > were working closely with individual election > officials on > > polling location reviews and > > were also training the municipal clerks on the > accessibility > > requirements. MPAS also spent a > considerable amount of time > > assisting clerks with assessing > > the accessibility of their polling locations and > helping them > > apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS > found that the > > accessibility data provided by > > clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > reliable. > > > > MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > (BOE) attention > > and > > shared independent accessibility reviews with > them. The BOE has > > since increased efforts > > to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > communication > > and requiring additional documentation from the > clerks. > > > > In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > polling locations > > randomly, without notifying the election > official in advance. > > After compiling this data on > > polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > of > > inaccessibility became a heightened > concern. Once these > > concerns > > were communicated to the Bureau of > > Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > dramatically > > increasing their involvement in the advancement > of polling place > > accessibility. > > > > This same year, the federal government began > reviewing how the > > states were spending HAVA funds. This > fueled speculation that > > the federal government would > > eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > some states had > > not spent their money, rather placing it in an > account and > > allowing the funds to gain > > interest. Concerned that Congress would > pull the allocated > > funds > > completely, which would prevent municipalities > from accessing > > money to make polling places > > accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > of Elections, > > embarked on a project to ensure 100% > accessibility at all > > Michigan polling places. > > > > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > > > In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > of a statewide > > plan to reach 100% polling place > accessibility. MPAS and the > > Bureau of Elections strengthened > > their partnership in order to achieve this > goal. Within this > > plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > locations throughout > > the state. Michigan has > > approximately 3,600 polling places in > total. MPAS had already > > gathered information on 530 polling places prior > to 2010, > > therefore, did not revisit those > > locations (some were initially accessible and > others MPAS worked > > closely with clerks to improve > accessibility. MPAS is still > > working with clerks to bring > > the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > into compliance). > > MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > polling locations in > > 2010. > > > > Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > least 95% of the > > polling places in Michigan. > > > > The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > nearly 25% of the > > polling places that remained physically > inaccessible as required > > by the Americans with > > Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > > > Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > 2,927 were assessed > > between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG > as a benchmark to > > determine physical accessibility, > > over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > locations visited, > > had physical barriers failing to comply with the > ADAAG ? > > barriers > > that create potential > > difficulties to voters with disabilities on > Election Day. > > > > Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > from fully > > participating in all aspects of society because > of their > > disability. This might include > architectural > > barriers, physical barriers, communication > barriers, attitudinal > > barriers, cultural barriers, etc. > Throughout this project, > > MPAS? > > reviews focused primarily > > on physical and external barriers, which are > defined as > > something > > material that blocks passage. Physical > barriers addressed in > > this report include objects > > in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > doorways, > > inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > inaccessible door > > hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > > > Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > 2010, 28% did not > > meet accessibility standards. Based on > discussions with the BOE > > in 2008, when MPAS completed > > the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > notified with a > > letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > they were also > > notified by the Bureau of Elections. > > MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > municipalities > > plans to meet ADA requirements. The > letters contained a > > photograph of the problem area(s), > > along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. > Within a five month > > period, letters were sent to over 440 > municipalities concerning > > approximately 800 polling > > locations. > > > > As shown below, 28% of the polling places > visited in 2010 had > > some type of physical barrier present at the > time of review. > > > > The following chart highlights the most common > number of > > physical > > barriers discovered at each location. > > > > A majority of the locations reviewed had only > one physical > > barrier present. While the largest and > most frequent problem > > was > > related to parking, the types > > of barriers at each location varied as shown in > the following > > chart. > > > > Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > accessible parking > > but no signs posted Parking: > locations that had no parking > > designated or noncompliant access > > aisles Pathway: barriers that > existed between access aisles > > and > > entryway Entrance: problems such as > door width, door > > thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > > etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > ramps, handrails, > > thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > > > Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election Officials > > > > After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > notified municipal > > clerks of locations where barriers were > discovered. Within a > > four-month period, over 440 > > letters were sent to election officials. > By the end of 2010, > > 88% > > of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > plan of > > correction. > > In addition, MPAS > > provided technical assistance to the election > officials on how > > to > > improve access to their polling location in > order to come into > > compliance. Based on > > the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > us they were > > would make the changes required; 31% corrected > the barriers at > > the polling locations; 9% > > were going to apply for Access for All grant; > and the remaining > > responses varied from clerk using temporary > equipment. > > > > When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > completed, MPAS > > required documentation from each clerk proving > or stating that > > the work had been completed, > > including photographs and/or copies of purchase > orders. A > > majority of the clerks responded either with a > plan of > > correction > > for spring 2011 or with a > > statement that the work was completed. > MPAS is still waiting > > for > > some clerks to confirm that the work was done > sufficiently. > > Once > > the removal of barriers > > at these locations has been verified, MPAS > expects Michigan? > > polling place accessibility rate to rise to > nearly 90 % ?-- > > one of the highest in the nation. > > There remains, however, substantial work to be > completed in the > > city of Detroit in order to reach this > goal. The remaining 12% > > of clerks, who did not respond > > to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > correction, > > will > > become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > accessibility. > > > > NEXT STEPS > > > > While the focus of this report has been on > reaching the 90% > > accessibility rate, there would still be > approximately 10% of > > polling locations in Michigan > > that are not accessible to all voters. > Some clerks disagree > > with > > the findings and MPAS is working with those > clerks. > > > > In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > polling locations > > that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > breaking them > > into > > three categories: failure > > to communicate; work promised but documentation > still needed; > > and > > locations requiring review by MPAS. > > > > MPAS will focus attention on election officials > who have failed > > to respond to MPAS communication attempts. > This may involve > > revisiting the location (some > > clerks correct the problem even when they fail > to respond), > > attending city council/township meetings, filing > official HAVA > > complaints, and/or pursuing > > legal action under different funding > sources. MPAS?goal has > > always been to educate clerks and assist them > with improving > > access first by proposing solutions > > to removing barriers. > > > > In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > monitoring the > > correction plans that election officials have > submitted to > > ensure > > that barriers are removed. > > MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > locations that have > > not been visited yet. > > > > In Summary > > > > Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > between MPAS and > > the > > Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > crucial. The state > > reinforced the necessity of > > accessible elections. They followed up > with each municipality > > whose polling place was noted as being > inaccessible in order to > > determine the jurisdiction's > > planned course of action. In addition, the > BOE coordinated and > > extended Michigan's polling place improvement > grant well into > > the > > fall to assist municipalities > > in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > > > Local election officials can either upgrade > their polling places > > (with or without grant funds), or relocate the > polling place to > > an accessible site. The > > Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > project, they > > have seen a large increase in the number of > municipalities > > applying for grant money. In > > an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > extended the > > typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > additional > > opportunity to respond to MPAS? > > letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > funds. The > > Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > applications, the > > largest amount ever received > > in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant > applications, 66 > > applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > plan of > > correction - 89% of those who applied. > > A large number of municipalities have pledged to > apply when the > > next grant period opens in early 2011. > > > > If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > proposed > > budget > > cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > partnership with the > > Secretary of State, ensuring > > all elections are accessible to all > voters. Additionally, MPAS > > encourages clerks to reach out to local > disability groups for > > future trainings. Listed > > below are additional recommendations moving > forward. > > > > Summary/Recommendations: > > > > ? Local clerks must be > required to notify the Bureau of > > Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > > > ? Accessibility checks > should be completed when clerks > > change polling locations, to verify > accessibility. Reports > > (with > > photographs) should be submitted > > to the Bureau of Elections. > > > > ? New polling locations > must be required to adhere to the > > Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > Guidelines. > > > > ? The advisory committee > in charge of amending the State > > Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > ways to hold > > clerks accountable and implement > > model oversight programs. > > > > ? Access for All grant > money should be available > > throughout > > the year, so accessibility problems can be > addressed anytime > > they > > arise. > > > > ? The Bureau of > Elections and local clerks should continue > > working with disability advocacy organizations > to complete > > year-round polling place accessibility > > audits and training to clerks. > > > > Accessibility Rate by County > > > > Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > > > County > > > > Polling Locations > > > > Visited > > > > Accessible > > > > Barriers Discovered > > > > Percent Visited > > > > % Accessible of those Visited > > > > Now Complete > > > > % Now Accessible > > > > Alcona > > > > 12 > > > > 12 > > > > 8 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 67% > > > > 3 > > > > 92% > > > > Alger > > > > 10 > > > > 10 > > > > 5 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 50% > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > Allegan > > > > 37 > > > > 37 > > > > 35 > > > > 2 > > > > 100% > > > > 95% > > > > 1 > > > > 97% > > > > Alpena > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 8 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 53% > > > > 1 > > > > 60% > > > > Antrim > > > > 15 > > > > 15 > > > > 9 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 60% > > > > 2 > > > > 73% > > > > Arenac > > > > 14 > > > > 14 > > > > 10 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 71% > > > > 3 > > > > 93% > > > > Baraga > > > > 8 > > > > 6 > > > > 1 > > > > 5 > > > > 75% > > > > 17% > > > > 1 > > > > 33% > > > > Barry > > > > 23 > > > > 23 > > > > 18 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 78% > > > > 1 > > > > 83% > > > > Bay > > > > 49 > > > > 48 > > > > 36 > > > > 12 > > > > 98% > > > > 75% > > > > 1 > > > > 77% > > > > Benzie > > > > 13 > > > > 13 > > > > 6 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 46% > > > > 4 > > > > 77% > > > > Berrien > > > > 57 > > > > 57 > > > > 43 > > > > 14 > > > > 100% > > > > 75% > > > > 8 > > > > 89% > > > > Branch > > > > 18 > > > > 17 > > > > 9 > > > > 8 > > > > 94% > > > > 53% > > > > 6 > > > > 88% > > > > Calhoun > > > > 46 > > > > 43 > > > > 34 > > > > 9 > > > > 93% > > > > 79% > > > > 3 > > > > 86% > > > > Cass > > > > 19 > > > > 19 > > > > 12 > > > > 7 > > > > 100% > > > > 63% > > > > 6 > > > > 95% > > > > Charlevoix > > > > 18 > > > > 16 > > > > 10 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> > > 11 > > > > 11 > > > > 11 > > > > 0 > > > > 100% > > > > 100% > > > > 0 > > > > 100% > > > > Saginaw > > > > 75 > > > > 75 > > > > 61 > > > > 14 > > > > 100% > > > > 81% > > > > 8 > > > > 92% > > > > Sanilac > > > > 30 > > > > 30 > > > > 26 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 87% > > > > 3 > > > > 97% > > > > Schoolcraft > > > > 10 > > > > 10 > > > > 6 > > > > 4 > > > > 100% > > > > 60% > > > > 2 > > > > 80% > > > > Shiawassee > > > > 27 > > > > 27 > > > > 17 > > > > 10 > > > > 100% > > > > 63% > > > > 3 > > > > 74% > > > > St. Clair > > > > 52 > > > > 48 > > > > 44 > > > > 4 > > > > 92% > > > > 92% > > > > 3 > > > > 98% > > > > St. Joseph > > > > 17 > > > > 17 > > > > 12 > > > > 5 > > > > 100% > > > > 71% > > > > 2 > > > > 82% > > > > Tuscola > > > > 25 > > > > 24 > > > > 16 > > > > 8 > > > > 96% > > > > 67% > > > > 2 > > > > 75% > > > > Van Buren > > > > 23 > > > > 22 > > > > 19 > > > > 3 > > > > 96% > > > > 86% > > > > 1 > > > > 91% > > > > Washtenaw > > > > 106 > > > > 100 > > > > 70 > > > > 30 > > > > 94% > > > > 70% > > > > 0 > > > > 70% > > > > Wayne > > > > 568 > > > > 519 > > > > 325 > > > > 194 > > > > 91% > > > > 63% > > > > 28 > > > > 68% > > > > Wexford > > > > 20 > > > > 20 > > > > 14 > > > > 6 > > > > 100% > > > > 70% > > > > 1 > > > > 75% > > > > Total > > > > 3635 > > > > 3457 > > > > 2579 > > > > 878 > > > > 95.10% > > > > 74.60% > > > > 289 > > > > 83% > > > > table end > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > > From: Katie Wang > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Chris, there is no Download button on Web > Braille. Instead, when you > > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > on your Braille > > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > to save the > > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves > each braille volume > > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > this multiple > > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > than one volume. > > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > it a great > > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > more in the past > > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > larger, more > > current collection. > > Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > on your end-- It > > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest > contacting your state > > NLS library again and see if they can get you > some sort of technical > > support contact info. Someone from the central program > that > > administers the Web Braille service might need to look > into your > > situation. > > Hope this helps! > > Katie > > > > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: > > > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > in it says my user > > > name and password is wrong. I have called and > gotten it changed three > > > times and it still says it. wonder what I am > doing wrong. > > > > > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > users! I recently > > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking > forward to all it has > > >> to offer. But I do have this question: > when I click on a link > > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, > or something where I > > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my > BrailleNote? I tried to > > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together > last night, and when > > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the > actual book to read > > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to > read it in my > > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later > date. How can I do this? > > >> Thanks! > > >> > > >> Chris > > >> > > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > (Camp Abilities motto) > > >> > > >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say > "I can!" How? Click > > >> on this link to learn more and to > contribute: > > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > Facebook at I C.A.N. > > >> Foundation. > > >> > > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lea Williams > > > > > > Phone; > > > 704-732-4470 > > > Skipe; > > > Lea.williams738 > > > Facebook > > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > > > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi all, > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers > generally write first > > person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update > it? Is it possible to > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted > > help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > family. I figured > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there? Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you > update it? Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Joshua, > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > to discuss something > > common? > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > This would be a good idea if I had several > people interested in a forum. > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that > was one of the things I > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to > post online, I'd like > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > are accessible. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > Ashley: > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > > I've found an accessible one. > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > > it.) > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > > > So what accessible sites are there? Do > bloggers generally write first > > > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you > update it? Is it possible to > > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > > sighted > > > help to post photos? > > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > > > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > > > > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > > From: Elizabeth > > To: > > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > Convention > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > the help they have > > provided me over the past week. However, I thought I > would also send out a > > general message to thank anyone I may have missed > along the way. My > > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > go, but it was exactly > > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > such a public email > > list. > > > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this > list was before > > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > already said what > > happened, or at least their version of the story. > However, I have already > > shared my version of the story about a million times > by now, so if you are > > curious as to what happened, you will just have to > wait for another time. > > > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I > just wanted to show > > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > the way. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Yes. > > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > > Joshua, > > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > people to discuss > > something > > > common? > > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > > > This would be a good idea if I had several > people interested in a forum. > > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and > that was one of the things > > I > > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to post online, I'd > > like > > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > > > > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > they are accessible. > > > > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joshua Lester > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > > > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > > > > > Ashley: > > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > blind people? > > > I've found an accessible one. > > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still > > have > > > it.) > > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > > wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > more than one blog. > > >> So what accessible sites are there? Do > bloggers generally write first > > >> person stories, or about things they see that > are more objective? > > >> Any of you have a blog? How often do > you update it? Is it possible to > > >> upload photos to it to go along with your > story? Or maybe you need > > sighted > > >> help to post photos? > > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips > need to be in? > > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same > site? Can > > >> you write as much as you want or is there a > word limit? > > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > > >> opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > >> > > >> What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks. > > >> Ashley > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Amy Sabo > > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , > > "OF BLIND STUDENTS, > COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > > < > > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > > From: "Humberto Avila" > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > > Message-ID: > <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > (AIM) was about 2 years > > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > the way, it was the > > FS > > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it > is inaccessible with > > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > using? Which > > operating system? Which version of aim? > > Cheers, Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > > Behalf > > Of Amy Sabo > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > STUDENTS, COLORADO > > ASSOCIATION > > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > > > hello all, > > > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is > there a way in where i > > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > > > > hugs, > > amy > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > > From: David Andrews > > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > > > > > > > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > > >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > > ************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 22:51:50 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:51:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem Message-ID: <4e1b7e9d.029b2a0a.4763.5832@mx.google.com> Amy, You should have AIM 7. I hve the lat5e3st AIM, and 4.5 is pretty old. lol It's ok if you forgot. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Sabo Hello everyone, Right now I have a pacmate but while at the convention I got a chance to learn about the apex and the braille sense. What do you guys use and do you think it would be worth making a switch? Amanda From kobycox at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 23:10:28 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:10:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <4BDB7163F8D549F8BFC182F54FF7702B@OwnerPC> References: <1310412991.9649.YahooMailClassic@web162020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000701cc4008$c5b548d0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <4BDB7163F8D549F8BFC182F54FF7702B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <10B31C59-0B2E-4163-9230-7C74D219A01C@gmail.com> Can you email me off list? My email address is kobycox at gmail.com. Koby. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2011, at 5:34 PM, wrote: > The same city for six years? That hasn't been done before. Is that right? > > > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > Hello everyone, > > The 2012 convention will be in Dallas. The six conventions following 2012 > will all be in Orlando. Cool!! > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > > The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six years. > > > > --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > >> From: Rachael Vacanti >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >> I agree with Chris and Sherri. >> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >> beside the point. I flew down Saturday and didn't >> leave until the next >> Saturday. You think I'd have time for fun >> right? Wrong. I didn't get out >> of the hotel once. I meant to go places, like the >> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there. Why? >> Because there were too many >> things to do at convention. Convention was awesome >> and I had a great time, >> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >> more. I looked at >> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >> "required". General >> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >> >> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >> announce the state >> cacus. I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >> once and I don't think >> he even told me where it was. The states should get >> them sorted out before >> convention and email their state this is when and where it >> is. I know that >> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >> they did a very good >> job. For my first time, it was pretty good. >> >> Rachael >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, >> wrote: >> >> > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >> visit >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body >> 'help' to >> > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >> more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >> > 2. Re: question about brail to word >> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >> > 3. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day in mi >> > (Josh Gregory) >> > 4. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >> (Katie Wang) >> > 5. accessible blog and journal sites >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> > 6. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> > 7. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> > 8. Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention (Elizabeth) >> > 9. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> > 10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >> > 11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >> > 12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> > From: Chris Nusbaum >> > To: NABS list , >> NFBMD list , >> > NFB >> > history list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >> 5 years >> > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> > >> > >> > >> > ---- Original Message ------ >> > From: "Sherri" > > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> > >> > It was announced at the convention that conventions >> from 2013 >> > through 2017 >> > will be held in Orlando. I wish we could extend >> the length of >> > the convention >> > back to how it was and NFB would >> > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon. That >> way, people could >> > get excited >> > about Orlando and have time to go places. I >> liked the old >> > schedule much >> > better. If we are going to keep people here for >> five years in a >> > row, we need >> > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >> all there is >> > to do in >> > Orlando. Besides, I like the banquet the night >> before the last >> > day of >> > convention. >> > >> > >> > Sherri Brun >> > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >> other >> > plans." John >> > Lennon >> > >> > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun >> > >> > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> > NFBF Newsline? chair >> > www.nfbnewsline.org >> > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> > http://nfbfgoc.org >> > Secretary FDCP INC >> > www.fdcp.org >> > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > blindtlk mailing list >> > blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for blindtlk: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. >> > nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> > From: Chris Nusbaum >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> > list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> > >> > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >> of the >> > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >> the BN and >> > ask questions when they're having technical >> problems. Here's the >> > link: >> www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote. >> In >> > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >> to the BN >> > list and forward you any responses off list. >> Hope this helps! >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> > Foundation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Humberto Avila" > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> > > > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> > >> > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >> format >> > documents into word >> > documents. If you want to do so, you will have >> to use your >> > Braille note to >> > do it because there is no program that will translate >> and convert >> > Keyword >> > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >> (.doc) >> > documents, unless >> > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >> and then use >> > a program >> > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >> will need >> > Duxbury >> > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >> license if you >> > don't >> > already have it--you can although try it for free but >> some >> > functions will be >> > disabled) >> > I hope this was helpful to you. Feel free to >> send another >> > message off list >> > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >> is good >> > practice for >> > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >> assistive >> > technology. >> > Cheers, Humberto >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf >> > Of Andi >> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> > >> > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >> ask. I use to >> > use my brail >> > >> > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >> wondering if >> > there is a >> > >> > program to change the files from the brail document to >> a word >> > document? >> > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >> simpaler to >> > use the >> > better, but I still want it to do a good job. >> thank you so much >> > for your >> > help. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: David Andrews >> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >> > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org >> > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >> First Portable >> > Camera >> > Reading System to Support Touchscreen >> > >> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >> Reading >> > System >> > to Support Touchscreen >> > for People with Low Vision >> > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >> Inc. ( >> > www.gwmicro.com) >> > and VisionAid International Ltd ( >> > www.visionaid-international.com) >> > are proud to announce the Readit Wand! The >> Readit Wand is a >> > portable >> > camera that >> > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >> documents >> > for >> > the visually impaired. >> > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >> more with >> > ease >> > using the Readit >> > Wand. Everything read with the Readit Wand will >> be read in a >> > clear, >> > human-sounding >> > voice. The ability to read all of these items >> makes Readit Wand >> > the >> > perfect tool >> > for the classroom, at home, or at work. >> > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >> via USB. >> > The >> > 5-megapixel camera >> > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >> recognition >> > in as >> > little as two >> > seconds. The stylish and compact Readit Wand >> allows for >> > automatic >> > multi-language >> > switching when other languages are installed. >> The portability >> > and >> > multiple language >> > support make it the ideal tool for students who are >> learning a >> > foreign language. >> > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >> that >> > allows >> > you to save, load, >> > import, and export documents, including PDFs. >> Importing PDF >> > files >> > into the Readit >> > software enables users to read PDF files that >> originally are >> > inaccessible because >> > they are displayed as graphics. Readit Wand also >> allows you to >> > save >> > documents as >> > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >> document as an >> > MP3 >> > file to listen >> > to it on your favorite MP3 player. >> > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >> access >> > toolbar >> > designed specifically >> > for low vision users. The toolbar provides the >> ability to adjust >> > the >> > size of the >> > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >> all the basic >> > controls enabling >> > low vision users to capture their document, change the >> view to >> > their >> > preference and >> > more at the click of a button. >> > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >> different >> > types >> > of highlights, >> > as well as six different ways to display text, >> allowing low >> > vision >> > users to customize >> > the software to their personal preference. >> > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >> Wand is the >> > first >> > portable camera >> > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >> users the >> > ability >> > to interact >> > with the software by simply using their fingers! >> This means no >> > more >> > tracking the >> > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the >> user and >> > the >> > Readit software, >> > creating the best possible user experience. >> > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the >> Readit Wand >> > in >> > the U.S., developed >> > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located >> in the >> > UK. Readit Wand will >> > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >> > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >> > www.gwmicro.com, >> > email >> > sales at gwmicro.com >> > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >> > GW Micro, Inc. ( >> > www.gwmicro.com) >> > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology >> industry >> > since 1990, >> > and >> > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> > VisionAid International, Ltd ( >> > www.visionaid-international.com), >> > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, >> effective >> > and >> > simple to use >> > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind >> that make >> > reading a pleasure >> > once again. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. >> > dempsey%40g >> > mail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber >> > t.humberto2 >> > %40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> > sbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 3 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >> > From: Josh Gregory >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> > list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day >> > in mi >> > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> > >> > Hi, >> > OK, my thoughts. They are, at the moment, each >> other's >> > competetors/enemies/whatever. So, at the moment >> anyway, I doubt >> > it. >> > Best, >> > Josh >> > >> > sent from my Apex >> > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Chris Nusbaum > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> > list> > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> > day in mi >> > >> > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to >> ensure >> > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the >> Help >> > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work >> jointly >> > with ACB on this. What does >> > everyone think? >> > Chris >> > >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> > Foundation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > > > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> > day in mi >> > >> > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > Thoughts on this? >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities >> > motto) >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >> can!" How? Click >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >> at I C.A.N. >> > Foundation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> > ---- Original Message ------ >> > From: "joe harcz Comcast" > > Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >> this day in mi >> > Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >> > >> > A Call to Action ? >> > >> > Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >> with Disabilities >> > Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >> > >> > A Public Report on >> > Polling Place >> > >> > Accessibility in Michigan >> > >> > Public Report by >> > >> > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> > >> > 2011 >> > >> > Acknowledgements >> > >> > Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >> is Michigan? >> > designated agency to advocate and protect the >> legal rights of >> > persons with disabilities, mandated >> > by federal and state law. MPAS receives >> funding from the >> > Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >> the center for >> > Mental Health Services ?Substance >> > Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >> the >> > Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >> Social Security >> > Administration, the State of Michigan >> > and from private donations. >> > >> > Funding for this report has been made possible >> through the U.S. >> > Department of Health and Human Services, >> Administration for >> > Children and Families, and the >> > Administration on Developmental >> Disabilities. The contents are >> > the sole responsibility of the author and do not >> necessarily >> > represent the official views >> > of the U.S. Department of Health and Human >> Services. >> > >> > 2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, Inc. This >> > publication may be reproduced in part or in its >> entirety for >> > noncommercial purposes as long >> > as appropriate credit is given. >> > >> > Table of Contents >> > >> > Executive >> > >> > >> Summary.......................................................... >> > >> ...................................................5 >> > >> > Midterm >> > >> > >> Report........................................................... >> > >> .........................................................6 >> > >> > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >> > >> > >> Project.......................................................... >> > .........7 >> > >> > Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election >> > >> Officials......................................10 >> > >> > Next >> > >> > >> Steps............................................................ >> > >> ..............................................................11 >> > >> > In >> > >> > >> Summary.......................................................... >> > >> ..............................................................11 >> > >> > Accessibility Rate Per >> > >> > >> County........................................................... >> > ................................13 >> > >> > Executive Summary >> > >> > In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >> obstacles at voting >> > locations often because their polling place >> lacks physical >> > accessibility. The Help America >> > Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >> obstacles faced by >> > voters >> > with disabilities and authorized funding for the >> federally >> > mandated Protection and Advocacy >> > Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >> barriers. >> > Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >> targeted for >> > elimination in the President? proposed >> > 2012 budget. >> > >> > HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, (MPAS), >> > and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >> with helping to ensure >> > the full participation of >> > individuals with disabilities in the electoral >> process, >> > including >> > registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >> accessing polling >> > places. >> > >> > The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >> that every >> > eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >> to their >> > polling >> > location and has the opportunity >> > to cast an independent secret ballot. MPAS >> staff members are on >> > the ground providing advice, technical >> assistance, and training >> > to election officials about >> > voting accessibility across the spectrum of >> disabilities. The >> > agency also provides outreach and training to >> voters with >> > disabilities, poll workers, and >> > service providers. MPAS and the Secretary >> of State of Michigan >> > partnered over the past six years working toward >> this goal, >> > which >> > has been effective in >> > increasing physical access to polling locations >> throughout >> > Michigan. >> > >> > Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >> United States >> > Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >> subject to intense >> > public scrutiny each election >> > cycle. Provisions within these protections >> prohibit >> > discrimination against people with disabilities >> in the electoral >> > process. Exercising their Constitutional >> > right, however, has continued to be a challenge >> for individuals >> > with disabilities despite changes made to >> federal and state laws >> > intended to ensure full >> > participation. >> > >> > Key Summary >> > >> > ? Disability advocates >> have visited 95% (3,457) and >> > reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >> Michigan. >> > >> > ? Upon initial review, >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> > Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >> polling places >> > were >> > compliant under the Americans >> > with Disabilities Act. >> > >> > ? After working with >> state and local officials, it is >> > anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >> will be increased >> > to 90% in 2012. >> > >> > ? Of the locations that >> were inaccessible, 60% had one >> > barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >> had three or more >> > types of barriers. >> > >> > ? Only six of the 84 >> counties in Michigan were 100% >> > physically accessible upon initial visit. >> > >> > ? MPAS continues to >> receive complaints regarding the >> > AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >> device. >> > >> > Michigan has made great strides toward >> accessibility at the >> > polls. This report will highlight the >> steps taken to ensure >> > that >> > all polling locations throughout >> > Michigan are accessible to voters with >> disabilities. In >> > addition, the report will offer recommendations >> for Michigan to >> > achieve and maintain an accessibility >> > rate of 100%. >> > >> > 2010 Mid Term Report >> > >> > Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >> the country, >> > Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >> in 2002. HAVA >> > included sweeping legislation >> > intended to modernize the electoral system for >> all voters, >> > including those with disabilities. The >> Help America Vote Act >> > reinforced the application of >> > Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >> and Section 504 >> > of the Rehabilitation Act. Furthermore, in >> 2004, Michigan >> > lawmakers amended Michigan election >> > law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >> removal of physical >> > barriers at polling locations. >> Irrespective of both federal and >> > state law, 25% of Michigan's >> > voting locations continued to be inaccessible >> for the November >> > 2010 general election. To achieve an >> all-encompassing voting >> > standard for the fifty states, >> > HAVA included two key components for the >> disability community: >> > >> > ? All polling places >> must have at least one voting system >> > which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >> privately and >> > independently, whether or not one >> > has a disability. >> > >> > ? States must ensure >> accessibility at all public polling >> > places in a manner compliant with the Americans >> with >> > Disabilities >> > Act (ADA). >> > >> > Accessible Voting System >> > >> > In 2004, the disability community and the >> Michigan Secretary of >> > State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >> assessing which >> > accessible device would best >> > fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >> selected the >> > AutoMARK. The AutoMARK is an accessible >> ballot marking device >> > that can be used by all voters >> > with or without disabilities. >> > >> > Although every polling location is equipped with >> the AutoMARK, >> > each municipality is responsible for making sure >> it is set up >> > and >> > operating properly. Unfortunately, >> > MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >> AutoMARK. Voter >> > complaints have included the following: >> the AutoMARK was boxed >> > up on Election Day, unplugged, >> > jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >> could see the >> > ?ecret?ballot. Complaints concerning >> jammed ballots have been >> > greatly reduced since the >> > last round of updates were completed. >> Because the AutoMARK is >> > used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >> feedback to >> > correct these kinds of problems. >> > MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >> complaints as they >> > arise. >> > >> > Accessible Polling Places >> > >> > Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >> money to assist >> > with >> > the purchase of accessible equipment like the >> AutoMARK, but also >> > to help municipalities >> > make their polling places physically >> accessible. Congress >> > recognized that in order for people to use the >> accessible voting >> > machines, the building must >> > also be accessible so voters can access the >> polling location and >> > voting equipment. It is the local election >> officials? >> > responsibility to make sure all >> > polling locations are accessible on Election >> Day. To help cover >> > the expense for removing barriers at polling >> locations, the >> > Michigan BOE administers a >> > grant program called Access for All, under the >> U.S. Department >> > of Health and Human Services with funding >> allocated through >> > HAVA, >> > to help the state comply >> > with HAVA. In most circumstances, the >> Access for All grants >> > cover all costs associated with accessibility >> upgrades for >> > polling locations. >> > >> > When Michigan? State Plan to implement >> provisions under HAVA >> > was >> > initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >> required to complete an >> > accessibility checklist >> > to determine whether or not their locations were >> accessible. >> > This was one of the state? first attempts to >> gather information >> > on Michigan? polling place >> > accessibility. During this time, MPAS and >> other organizations >> > were working closely with individual election >> officials on >> > polling location reviews and >> > were also training the municipal clerks on the >> accessibility >> > requirements. MPAS also spent a >> considerable amount of time >> > assisting clerks with assessing >> > the accessibility of their polling locations and >> helping them >> > apply for Access for All grant money. MPAS >> found that the >> > accessibility data provided by >> > clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >> reliable. >> > >> > MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >> (BOE) attention >> > and >> > shared independent accessibility reviews with >> them. The BOE has >> > since increased efforts >> > to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >> communication >> > and requiring additional documentation from the >> clerks. >> > >> > In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >> polling locations >> > randomly, without notifying the election >> official in advance. >> > After compiling this data on >> > polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >> of >> > inaccessibility became a heightened >> concern. Once these >> > concerns >> > were communicated to the Bureau of >> > Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >> dramatically >> > increasing their involvement in the advancement >> of polling place >> > accessibility. >> > >> > This same year, the federal government began >> reviewing how the >> > states were spending HAVA funds. This >> fueled speculation that >> > the federal government would >> > eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >> some states had >> > not spent their money, rather placing it in an >> account and >> > allowing the funds to gain >> > interest. Concerned that Congress would >> pull the allocated >> > funds >> > completely, which would prevent municipalities >> from accessing >> > money to make polling places >> > accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >> of Elections, >> > embarked on a project to ensure 100% >> accessibility at all >> > Michigan polling places. >> > >> > Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >> > >> > In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >> of a statewide >> > plan to reach 100% polling place >> accessibility. MPAS and the >> > Bureau of Elections strengthened >> > their partnership in order to achieve this >> goal. Within this >> > plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >> locations throughout >> > the state. Michigan has >> > approximately 3,600 polling places in >> total. MPAS had already >> > gathered information on 530 polling places prior >> to 2010, >> > therefore, did not revisit those >> > locations (some were initially accessible and >> others MPAS worked >> > closely with clerks to improve >> accessibility. MPAS is still >> > working with clerks to bring >> > the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >> into compliance). >> > MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >> polling locations in >> > 2010. >> > >> > Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >> least 95% of the >> > polling places in Michigan. >> > >> > The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >> nearly 25% of the >> > polling places that remained physically >> inaccessible as required >> > by the Americans with >> > Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >> > >> > Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >> 2,927 were assessed >> > between May-August 2010. Using the ADAAG >> as a benchmark to >> > determine physical accessibility, >> > over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >> locations visited, >> > had physical barriers failing to comply with the >> ADAAG ? >> > barriers >> > that create potential >> > difficulties to voters with disabilities on >> Election Day. >> > >> > Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >> from fully >> > participating in all aspects of society because >> of their >> > disability. This might include >> architectural >> > barriers, physical barriers, communication >> barriers, attitudinal >> > barriers, cultural barriers, etc. >> Throughout this project, >> > MPAS? >> > reviews focused primarily >> > on physical and external barriers, which are >> defined as >> > something >> > material that blocks passage. Physical >> barriers addressed in >> > this report include objects >> > in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >> doorways, >> > inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >> inaccessible door >> > hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >> > >> > Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >> 2010, 28% did not >> > meet accessibility standards. Based on >> discussions with the BOE >> > in 2008, when MPAS completed >> > the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >> notified with a >> > letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >> they were also >> > notified by the Bureau of Elections. >> > MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >> municipalities >> > plans to meet ADA requirements. The >> letters contained a >> > photograph of the problem area(s), >> > along with the appropriate ADAAG citation. >> Within a five month >> > period, letters were sent to over 440 >> municipalities concerning >> > approximately 800 polling >> > locations. >> > >> > As shown below, 28% of the polling places >> visited in 2010 had >> > some type of physical barrier present at the >> time of review. >> > >> > The following chart highlights the most common >> number of >> > physical >> > barriers discovered at each location. >> > >> > A majority of the locations reviewed had only >> one physical >> > barrier present. While the largest and >> most frequent problem >> > was >> > related to parking, the types >> > of barriers at each location varied as shown in >> the following >> > chart. >> > >> > Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >> accessible parking >> > but no signs posted Parking: >> locations that had no parking >> > designated or noncompliant access >> > aisles Pathway: barriers that >> existed between access aisles >> > and >> > entryway Entrance: problems such as >> door width, door >> > thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >> > etc. Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >> ramps, handrails, >> > thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >> > >> > Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election Officials >> > >> > After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >> notified municipal >> > clerks of locations where barriers were >> discovered. Within a >> > four-month period, over 440 >> > letters were sent to election officials. >> By the end of 2010, >> > 88% >> > of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >> plan of >> > correction. >> > In addition, MPAS >> > provided technical assistance to the election >> officials on how >> > to >> > improve access to their polling location in >> order to come into >> > compliance. Based on >> > the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >> us they were >> > would make the changes required; 31% corrected >> the barriers at >> > the polling locations; 9% >> > were going to apply for Access for All grant; >> and the remaining >> > responses varied from clerk using temporary >> equipment. >> > >> > When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >> completed, MPAS >> > required documentation from each clerk proving >> or stating that >> > the work had been completed, >> > including photographs and/or copies of purchase >> orders. A >> > majority of the clerks responded either with a >> plan of >> > correction >> > for spring 2011 or with a >> > statement that the work was completed. >> MPAS is still waiting >> > for >> > some clerks to confirm that the work was done >> sufficiently. >> > Once >> > the removal of barriers >> > at these locations has been verified, MPAS >> expects Michigan? >> > polling place accessibility rate to rise to >> nearly 90 % ?-- >> > one of the highest in the nation. >> > There remains, however, substantial work to be >> completed in the >> > city of Detroit in order to reach this >> goal. The remaining 12% >> > of clerks, who did not respond >> > to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >> correction, >> > will >> > become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >> accessibility. >> > >> > NEXT STEPS >> > >> > While the focus of this report has been on >> reaching the 90% >> > accessibility rate, there would still be >> approximately 10% of >> > polling locations in Michigan >> > that are not accessible to all voters. >> Some clerks disagree >> > with >> > the findings and MPAS is working with those >> clerks. >> > >> > In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >> polling locations >> > that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >> breaking them >> > into >> > three categories: failure >> > to communicate; work promised but documentation >> still needed; >> > and >> > locations requiring review by MPAS. >> > >> > MPAS will focus attention on election officials >> who have failed >> > to respond to MPAS communication attempts. >> This may involve >> > revisiting the location (some >> > clerks correct the problem even when they fail >> to respond), >> > attending city council/township meetings, filing >> official HAVA >> > complaints, and/or pursuing >> > legal action under different funding >> sources. MPAS?goal has >> > always been to educate clerks and assist them >> with improving >> > access first by proposing solutions >> > to removing barriers. >> > >> > In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >> monitoring the >> > correction plans that election officials have >> submitted to >> > ensure >> > that barriers are removed. >> > MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >> locations that have >> > not been visited yet. >> > >> > In Summary >> > >> > Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >> between MPAS and >> > the >> > Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >> crucial. The state >> > reinforced the necessity of >> > accessible elections. They followed up >> with each municipality >> > whose polling place was noted as being >> inaccessible in order to >> > determine the jurisdiction's >> > planned course of action. In addition, the >> BOE coordinated and >> > extended Michigan's polling place improvement >> grant well into >> > the >> > fall to assist municipalities >> > in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> > >> > Local election officials can either upgrade >> their polling places >> > (with or without grant funds), or relocate the >> polling place to >> > an accessible site. The >> > Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >> project, they >> > have seen a large increase in the number of >> municipalities >> > applying for grant money. In >> > an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >> extended the >> > typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >> additional >> > opportunity to respond to MPAS? >> > letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >> funds. The >> > Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >> applications, the >> > largest amount ever received >> > in one grant cycle. Of those 74 grant >> applications, 66 >> > applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >> plan of >> > correction - 89% of those who applied. >> > A large number of municipalities have pledged to >> apply when the >> > next grant period opens in early 2011. >> > >> > If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >> proposed >> > budget >> > cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >> partnership with the >> > Secretary of State, ensuring >> > all elections are accessible to all >> voters. Additionally, MPAS >> > encourages clerks to reach out to local >> disability groups for >> > future trainings. Listed >> > below are additional recommendations moving >> forward. >> > >> > Summary/Recommendations: >> > >> > ? Local clerks must be >> required to notify the Bureau of >> > Elections prior to relocating polling places. >> > >> > ? Accessibility checks >> should be completed when clerks >> > change polling locations, to verify >> accessibility. Reports >> > (with >> > photographs) should be submitted >> > to the Bureau of Elections. >> > >> > ? New polling locations >> must be required to adhere to the >> > Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >> Guidelines. >> > >> > ? The advisory committee >> in charge of amending the State >> > Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >> ways to hold >> > clerks accountable and implement >> > model oversight programs. >> > >> > ? Access for All grant >> money should be available >> > throughout >> > the year, so accessibility problems can be >> addressed anytime >> > they >> > arise. >> > >> > ? The Bureau of >> Elections and local clerks should continue >> > working with disability advocacy organizations >> to complete >> > year-round polling place accessibility >> > audits and training to clerks. >> > >> > Accessibility Rate by County >> > >> > Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >> > >> > County >> > >> > Polling Locations >> > >> > Visited >> > >> > Accessible >> > >> > Barriers Discovered >> > >> > Percent Visited >> > >> > % Accessible of those Visited >> > >> > Now Complete >> > >> > % Now Accessible >> > >> > Alcona >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > 8 >> > >> > 4 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 67% >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 92% >> > >> > Alger >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 50% >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > Allegan >> > >> > 37 >> > >> > 37 >> > >> > 35 >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 95% >> > >> > 1 >> > >> > 97% >> > >> > Alpena >> > >> > 15 >> > >> > 15 >> > >> > 8 >> > >> > 7 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 53% >> > >> > 1 >> > 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> >> > 70% >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 90% >> > >> > Ottawa >> > >> > 88 >> > >> > 88 >> > >> > 79 >> > >> > 9 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 90% >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 95% >> > >> > Presque Isle >> > >> > 16 >> > >> > 16 >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 6 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 63% >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 81% >> > >> > Roscommon >> > >> > 11 >> > >> > 11 >> > >> > 11 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > Saginaw >> > >> > 75 >> > >> > 75 >> > >> > 61 >> > >> > 14 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 81% >> > >> > 8 >> > >> > 92% >> > >> > Sanilac >> > >> > 30 >> > >> > 30 >> > >> > 26 >> > >> > 4 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 87% >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 97% >> > >> > Schoolcraft >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 6 >> > >> > 4 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 60% >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 80% >> > >> > Shiawassee >> > >> > 27 >> > >> > 27 >> > >> > 17 >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 63% >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 74% >> > >> > St. Clair >> > >> > 52 >> > >> > 48 >> > >> > 44 >> > >> > 4 >> > >> > 92% >> > >> > 92% >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 98% >> > >> > St. Joseph >> > >> > 17 >> > >> > 17 >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 71% >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 82% >> > >> > Tuscola >> > >> > 25 >> > >> > 24 >> > >> > 16 >> > >> > 8 >> > >> > 96% >> > >> > 67% >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 75% >> > >> > Van Buren >> > >> > 23 >> > >> > 22 >> > >> > 19 >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 96% >> > >> > 86% >> > >> > 1 >> > >> > 91% >> > >> > Washtenaw >> > >> > 106 >> > >> > 100 >> > >> > 70 >> > >> > 30 >> > >> > 94% >> > >> > 70% >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 70% >> > >> > Wayne >> > >> > 568 >> > >> > 519 >> > >> > 325 >> > >> > 194 >> > >> > 91% >> > >> > 63% >> > >> > 28 >> > >> > 68% >> > >> > Wexford >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > 14 >> > >> > 6 >> > >> > 100% >> > >> > 70% >> > >> > 1 >> > >> > 75% >> > >> > Total >> > >> > 3635 >> > >> > 3457 >> > >> > 2579 >> > >> > 878 >> > >> > 95.10% >> > >> > 74.60% >> > >> > 289 >> > >> > 83% >> > >> > table end >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> > sbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 4 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >> > From: Katie Wang >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > Chris, there is no Download button on Web >> Braille. Instead, when you >> > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >> on your Braille >> > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >> to save the >> > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >> each braille volume >> > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >> this multiple >> > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >> than one volume. >> > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >> it a great >> > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >> more in the past >> > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >> larger, more >> > current collection. >> > Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >> on your end-- It >> > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >> contacting your state >> > NLS library again and see if they can get you >> some sort of technical >> > support contact info. Someone from the central program >> that >> > administers the Web Braille service might need to look >> into your >> > situation. >> > Hope this helps! >> > Katie >> > >> > >> > On 7/10/11, Lea williams >> wrote: >> > > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >> in it says my user >> > > name and password is wrong. I have called and >> gotten it changed three >> > > times and it still says it. wonder what I am >> doing wrong. >> > > >> > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > >> Hi all, >> > >> >> > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >> users! I recently >> > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >> forward to all it has >> > >> to offer. But I do have this question: >> when I click on a link >> > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >> or something where I >> > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >> BrailleNote? I tried to >> > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >> last night, and when >> > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >> actual book to read >> > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to >> read it in my >> > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >> date. How can I do this? >> > >> Thanks! >> > >> >> > >> Chris >> > >> >> > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >> (Camp Abilities motto) >> > >> >> > >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >> "I can!" How? Click >> > >> on this link to learn more and to >> contribute: >> > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >> Facebook at I C.A.N. >> > >> Foundation. >> > >> >> > >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Lea Williams >> > > >> > > Phone; >> > > 704-732-4470 >> > > Skipe; >> > > Lea.williams738 >> > > Facebook >> > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 5 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> > From: >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> > Message-ID: >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="utf-8" >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >> one blog. >> > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers >> generally write first >> > person stories, or about things they see that are more >> objective? >> > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update >> it? Is it possible to >> > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >> maybe you need sighted >> > help to post photos? >> > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >> be in? >> > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> > you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >> family. I figured >> > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >> myself, life and my >> > opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> > >> > What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> > >> > >> > Thanks. >> > Ashley >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 6 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > Message-ID: >> > > > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> > >> > Ashley: >> > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> > I've found an accessible one. >> > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> > it.) >> > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> > > Hi all, >> > > >> > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> > > So what accessible sites are there? Do >> bloggers generally write first >> > > person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you >> update it? Is it possible to >> > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> > sighted >> > > help to post photos? >> > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> > > you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> > > opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> > > >> > > What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > Ashley >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 7 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> > From: >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > Message-ID: >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >> charset="Windows-1252"; >> > reply-type=original >> > >> > Joshua, >> > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >> to discuss something >> > common? >> > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> > This would be a good idea if I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >> was one of the things I >> > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to >> post online, I'd like >> > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> > >> > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >> are accessible. >> > >> > Ashley >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > >> > Ashley: >> > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> > I've found an accessible one. >> > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> > it.) >> > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> > > Hi all, >> > > >> > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> > > So what accessible sites are there? Do >> bloggers generally write first >> > > person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you >> update it? Is it possible to >> > > upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> > sighted >> > > help to post photos? >> > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> > > you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> > > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> > > blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> > > opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> > > >> > > What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks. >> > > Ashley >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 8 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> > From: Elizabeth >> > To: >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention >> > Message-ID: >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > >> > >> > Hello All, >> > >> > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >> the help they have >> > provided me over the past week. However, I thought I >> would also send out a >> > general message to thank anyone I may have missed >> along the way. My >> > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >> go, but it was exactly >> > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >> such a public email >> > list. >> > >> > Since the last time I checked the messages on this >> list was before >> > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >> already said what >> > happened, or at least their version of the story. >> However, I have already >> > shared my version of the story about a million times >> by now, so if you are >> > curious as to what happened, you will just have to >> wait for another time. >> > >> > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. I >> just wanted to show >> > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >> the way. >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Elizabeth >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 9 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> > >> > Yes. >> > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >> > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> > > Joshua, >> > > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >> people to discuss >> > something >> > > common? >> > > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> > > This would be a good idea if I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> > > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >> that was one of the things >> > I >> > > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to post online, I'd >> > like >> > > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> > > >> > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >> they are accessible. >> > > >> > > Ashley >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Joshua Lester >> > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> > > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> > > >> > > Ashley: >> > > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >> blind people? >> > > I've found an accessible one. >> > > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still >> > have >> > > it.) >> > > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> > > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> > > Blessings, Joshua >> > > >> > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> > >> Hi all, >> > >> >> > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >> more than one blog. >> > >> So what accessible sites are there? Do >> bloggers generally write first >> > >> person stories, or about things they see that >> are more objective? >> > >> Any of you have a blog? How often do >> you update it? Is it possible to >> > >> upload photos to it to go along with your >> story? Or maybe you need >> > sighted >> > >> help to post photos? >> > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips >> need to be in? >> > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same >> site? Can >> > >> you write as much as you want or is there a >> word limit? >> > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> > >> opinions on things like books, technology, >> and religion. >> > >> >> > >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Thanks. >> > >> Ashley >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 10 >> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >> > From: Amy Sabo >> > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" , >> > "OF BLIND STUDENTS, >> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> > Message-ID: >> > < >> > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net >> > > >> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> > >> > hello all, >> > >> > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is >> there a way in where i >> > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> > >> > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> > >> > >> > hugs, >> > amy >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 11 >> > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> > From: "Humberto Avila" >> > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> > Message-ID: >> <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="us-ascii" >> > >> > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >> (AIM) was about 2 years >> > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >> the way, it was the >> > FS >> > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now it >> is inaccessible with >> > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >> using? Which >> > operating system? Which version of aim? >> > Cheers, Humberto >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> > Behalf >> > Of Amy Sabo >> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >> > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >> STUDENTS, COLORADO >> > ASSOCIATION >> > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> > >> > hello all, >> > >> > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. is >> there a way in where i >> > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> > >> > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> > >> > >> > hugs, >> > amy >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> > %40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 12 >> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >> > From: David Andrews >> > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >> > Message-ID: >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >> format=flowed >> > >> > >> > > >> > >Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >> > >I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >> > >Thanks, >> > > >> > >Brian >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> > >> > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> > ************************************** >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 23:18:50 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:18:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense Message-ID: <4e1b84f5.45b0dc0a.17b8.ffff8d62@mx.google.com> Hi there, Amanda. A couple of things come to mind. Firstly, the Apex and Braille Sense have wifi built into the units, as well as bluetooth, which the pacmate does not have, external cards are required for these features on pacmate. Secondly, to my knowledge, apex and braille sense have more up to date software than the pac mate. The Apex is based on a menu/list structure, whereas the braille sense is kind of similar to the pac mate, with a windows like structure. I personally find the apex easier to use than the other two. Whether to switch or not: I'd say yes, but to which product, that's up to you. If I think of anything else i'll post, if anybody else can think of anything, can you add to this, please? Thanks! Best, Josh Sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda References: Message-ID: While these devices are somewhat different in their approaches, they mostly do the same things. If you are like most of us, a change of this magnitude would have to have a good reason. So, are there things that you can't do on the Pac Mate that you could on Apex or Braille Sense? Or is it that PM isn't as glitsy any more? Dave p.s. I still use a PacMate. It has synching options that the others don't have, and I need them. Plus I can use pocket versions of Word, Excel etc. which I need to do for work. Dave At 06:09 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: >Hello everyone, >Right now I have a pacmate but while at the convention I got a >chance to learn about the apex and the braille sense. What do you >guys use and do you think it would be worth making a switch? > >Amanda From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 23:39:39 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:39:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50246B497E7E4FD19ABE8E442AE5565F@HumbertoAvila> As to my knowledge, the pacmate would be more like a laptop--it runs on windows mobile 6.0 just like any other mainstream device out there. According to Freedom Scientific's pacmate headquarters web page, the pacmate is the ultimate computing solution for the blind--and that might be true because the pacmate can run third-party applications and can even run mobile versions of office applications (like word, excel and powerpoint). So in my opinion, the pacmate sounds like a more "off-the-shelf" notetaker, it has more openness regarding applications and features, and it even runs JAWS pocket version. So the pacmate is more like a windows pocket PC mainstream device or phone, but except it is accessible, runs a screen reader, and instead of a touch Screen interface, it has a full querty or Braille style keyboard depending on your choice. In regards to the Braille note or apex, those notetakers do not run third-party software, and have a more closed environment than the pacmate. Yes they have features such as WyFy (for the apex) and built-in Bluetooth, they have glitches too. For example, if your primary internet browsing experience is done by a Braille note or apex, you will see that many web sites do not support mobile platforms, or, will not be accessible--especially if they employed flash like youtube. In addition, the Braille note family of products--including the apex--does not, and will not open, Microsoft word tables or documents with complex formatting--which the pacmate does a better job at. It is known, by my personal experience, that the Braille note will eat your homework at some point--you know, you will open a document and you saved it with your Braille note, and then you try to open it later, the contents are wiped out! at least that's what happened to me when I had my Braille note00especially with documents that contain formatting such as lists or tabs. Hope this helps you and hope you have good luck with your notetaker hunt! Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense While these devices are somewhat different in their approaches, they mostly do the same things. If you are like most of us, a change of this magnitude would have to have a good reason. So, are there things that you can't do on the Pac Mate that you could on Apex or Braille Sense? Or is it that PM isn't as glitsy any more? Dave p.s. I still use a PacMate. It has synching options that the others don't have, and I need them. Plus I can use pocket versions of Word, Excel etc. which I need to do for work. Dave At 06:09 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: >Hello everyone, >Right now I have a pacmate but while at the convention I got a >chance to learn about the apex and the braille sense. What do you >guys use and do you think it would be worth making a switch? > >Amanda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 23:53:05 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:53:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense Message-ID: <4e1b8cfb.505c340a.12aa.46cd@mx.google.com> Hi Mr. Andrews, I am not sure, but I think the pac mate may not be updated anymore. I thought I heard something a while back about how fs was focused more on JAWS and stuff than the pm. Out of curiosity, what syncing options does the pm have that the others do not? Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews References: <50246B497E7E4FD19ABE8E442AE5565F@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Coming from someone who had nothing but problems with the Pacmate and then switching to a Braille Note, I'd say make the switch but to which device is up to you. On 7/11/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > As to my knowledge, the pacmate would be more like a laptop--it runs on > windows mobile 6.0 just like any other mainstream device out there. > According to Freedom Scientific's pacmate headquarters web page, the pacmate > is the ultimate computing solution for the blind--and that might be true > because the pacmate can run third-party applications and can even run mobile > versions of office applications (like word, excel and powerpoint). > So in my opinion, the pacmate sounds like a more "off-the-shelf" notetaker, > it has more openness regarding applications and features, and it even runs > JAWS pocket version. So the pacmate is more like a windows pocket PC > mainstream device or phone, but except it is accessible, runs a screen > reader, and instead of a touch Screen interface, it has a full querty or > Braille style keyboard depending on your choice. > > In regards to the Braille note or apex, those notetakers do not run > third-party software, and have a more closed environment than the pacmate. > Yes they have features such as WyFy (for the apex) and built-in Bluetooth, > they have glitches too. For example, if your primary internet browsing > experience is done by a Braille note or apex, you will see that many web > sites do not support mobile platforms, or, will not be > accessible--especially if they employed flash like youtube. In addition, the > Braille note family of products--including the apex--does not, and will not > open, Microsoft word tables or documents with complex formatting--which the > pacmate does a better job at. It is known, by my personal experience, that > the Braille note will eat your homework at some point--you know, you will > open a document and you saved it with your Braille note, and then you try to > open it later, the contents are wiped out! at least that's what happened to > me when I had my Braille note00especially with documents that contain > formatting such as lists or tabs. > > Hope this helps you and hope you have good luck with your notetaker hunt! > Cheers, Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of David Andrews > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense > > While these devices are somewhat different in their approaches, they > mostly do the same things. If you are like most of us, a change of > this magnitude would have to have a good reason. > > So, are there things that you can't do on the Pac Mate that you could > on Apex or Braille Sense? Or is it that PM isn't as glitsy any more? > > Dave > > p.s. I still use a PacMate. It has synching options that the others > don't have, and I need them. Plus I can use pocket versions of Word, > Excel etc. which I need to do for work. > > Dave > > > At 06:09 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: >>Hello everyone, >>Right now I have a pacmate but while at the convention I got a >>chance to learn about the apex and the braille sense. What do you >>guys use and do you think it would be worth making a switch? >> >>Amanda > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%40gmail.com > -- Brianna Scerenscko From joshkart12 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 00:02:19 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:02:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense Message-ID: <4e1b8f26.4145340a.1663.4465@mx.google.com> Oh. I think pac mate runs on c e 5.2. sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brianna Scerenscko wrote: As to my knowledge, the pacmate would be more like a laptop--it runs on windows mobile 6.0 just like any other mainstream device out there. According to Freedom Scientific's pacmate headquarters web page, the pacmate is the ultimate computing solution for the blind--and that might be true because the pacmate can run third-party applications and can even run mobile versions of office applications (like word, excel and powerpoint). So in my opinion, the pacmate sounds like a more "off-the-shelf" notetaker, it has more openness regarding applications and features, and it even runs JAWS pocket version. So the pacmate is more like a windows pocket PC mainstream device or phone, but except it is accessible, runs a screen reader, and instead of a touch Screen interface, it has a full querty or Braille style keyboard depending on your choice. In regards to the Braille note or apex, those notetakers do not run third-party software, and have a more closed environment than the pacmate. Yes they have features such as WyFy (for the apex) and built-in Bluetooth, they have glitches too. For example, if your primary internet browsing experience is done by a Braille note or apex, you will see that many web sites do not support mobile platforms, or, will not be accessible--especially if they employed flash like youtube. In addition, the Braille note family of products--including the apex--does not, and will not open, Microsoft word tables or documents with complex formatting--which the pacmate does a better job at. It is known, by my personal experience, that the Braille note will eat your homework at some point--you know, you will open a document and you saved it with your Braille note, and then you try to open it later, the contents are wiped out! at least that's what happened to me when I had my Braille note00especially with documents that contain formatting such as lists or tabs. Hope this helps you and hope you have good luck with your notetaker hunt! Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense While these devices are somewhat different in their approaches, they mostly do the same things. If you are like most of us, a change of this magnitude would have to have a good reason. So, are there things that you can't do on the Pac Mate that you could on Apex or Braille Sense? Or is it that PM isn't as glitsy any more? Dave p.s. I still use a PacMate. It has synching options that the others don't have, and I need them. Plus I can use pocket versions of Word, Excel etc. which I need to do for work. Dave At 06:09 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: Hello everyone, Right now I have a pacmate but while at the convention I got a chance to learn about the apex and the braille sense. What do you guys use and do you think it would be worth making a switch? Amanda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber t.humberto2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 0gmail.com -- Brianna Scerenscko _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart1 2%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Tue Jul 12 00:06:07 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:06:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense In-Reply-To: <4e1b8cfb.505c340a.12aa.46cd@mx.google.com> References: <4e1b8cfb.505c340a.12aa.46cd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It will sync stuff with exchange, calendar etc. I don't think the apex does calendar yet, even though they have promised for years. Dave p.s. There is no evidence that the Pac Mate isn't being updated. I would regard what you said as a rumor. There was an update about a year ago, don't know when or if another will come, but haven't heard it wouldn't. DA At 06:53 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: >Hi Mr. Andrews, I am not sure, but I think the pac mate may not be >updated anymore. I thought I heard something a while back about how >fs was focused more on JAWS and stuff than the pm. Out of >curiosity, what syncing options does the pm have that the others do not? >Best, >Josh > >sent from my Apex >Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:20:35 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense > >While these devices are somewhat different in their approaches, they >mostly do the same things. If you are like most of us, a change of >this magnitude would have to have a good reason. > >So, are there things that you can't do on the Pac Mate that you could >on Apex or Braille Sense? Or is it that PM isn't as glitsy any more? > >Dave > >p.s. I still use a PacMate. It has synching options that the others >don't have, and I need them. Plus I can use pocket versions of Word, >Excel etc. which I need to do for work. > >Dave > > >At 06:09 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: >Hello everyone, >Right now I have a pacmate but while at the convention I got a >chance to learn about the apex and the braille sense. What do you >guys use and do you think it would be worth making a switch? > >Amanda From joshkart12 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 00:16:15 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:16:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense Message-ID: <4e1b926a.0a89e50a.12a1.3db9@mx.google.com> Mr. Andrews, ah yes. If you mean syncing with outlook, haven't tried it, so don't know how reliable it is. Yes I would agree that what I said is a rumor. Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews References: <4e1b926a.0a89e50a.12a1.3db9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It sync's with out well -- in fact, that is what it is set up to do. Dave At 07:16 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: >Mr. Andrews, ah yes. If you mean syncing with outlook, haven't >tried it, so don't know how reliable it is. Yes I would agree that >what I said is a rumor. >Best, >Josh > >sent from my Apex >Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:06:07 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense > >It will sync stuff with exchange, calendar etc. I don't think the >apex does calendar yet, even though they have promised for years. > >Dave > >p.s. There is no evidence that the Pac Mate isn't being updated. >I >would regard what you said as a rumor. There was an update about a >year ago, don't know when or if another will come, but haven't heard >it wouldn't. > >DA > > >At 06:53 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: >Hi Mr. Andrews, I am not sure, but I think the pac mate may not be >updated anymore. I thought I heard something a while back about how >fs was focused more on JAWS and stuff than the pm. Out of >curiosity, what syncing options does the pm have that the others do not? >Best, >Josh > >sent from my Apex >Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:20:35 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense > >While these devices are somewhat different in their approaches, they >mostly do the same things. If you are like most of us, a change of >this magnitude would have to have a good reason. > >So, are there things that you can't do on the Pac Mate that you could >on Apex or Braille Sense? Or is it that PM isn't as glitsy any more? > >Dave > >p.s. I still use a PacMate. It has synching options that the others >don't have, and I need them. Plus I can use pocket versions of Word, >Excel etc. which I need to do for work. > >Dave > > >At 06:09 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: >Hello everyone, >Right now I have a pacmate but while at the convention I got a >chance to learn about the apex and the braille sense. What do you >guys use and do you think it would be worth making a switch? > >Amanda From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 00:36:34 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:36:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities of universities Message-ID: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com> Hi all, I hope all who attended convention had a great time. The stream was very informative. My University has gradually migrated to a system called Banner self service. All students are required to use the system for scheduling, financial aid, updating information among other functions. The site is not fully accessible. Even with Safari and Voiceover, JAWS with Firefox and IE9 I'm unable to activate buttons or links. I've contacted the ds office and the tech office. This might be a silly question but I'm wondering how much time is reasonable to give to see significant change? AAs a blind student is it unreasonable to request JAWS in the library, or am I responsible for providing a key? I've always just taken my laptop with me when having to do group work which is a work around. Thanks for your input. Anjelina Sent from my iPhone From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Tue Jul 12 00:47:15 2011 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:47:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [il-talk] FW: Learning Ally (formerly RFB and D) Message-ID: FYI. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3739 - Release Date: 07/10/11 13:34:00 _______________________________________________ il-talk mailing list il-talk at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/il-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for il-talk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/il-talk_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotma il.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jul 12 01:17:00 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities In-Reply-To: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com> References: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06A157C9704B402F9A58645FFD4BA067@OwnerPC> Anjelina, There are some similar issues at Nova, northern Virginia community college; I started a writing certificate there and ran into access issues. While the site for grades, transcripts, etc wasn't inaccessible, I'd say it wasn't very screen reader friendly. I complained about inaccessible stuff on the website like unlabeled graphics. I also requested an update to jaws in the library. I haven't seen much change; not to mention several violations of ADA to the environment for those with physical disabilities; all doors should be wide enough for wheel chairs and they need more push buttons for doors. Yes its reasonable to request jaws. Its about the same access; all other students have the access to computers on campus and you should have access to at least some of them. Your tuition covers technology access. I'd make a written complaint if I were you and go up the chain of command. Mention in your complaint about how schools need to comply with section 508 regulations. I assume your school receives federal support and if they do, they are bound by civil rights laws like ADA and section 508 of the rehab act. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Anjelina Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities Hi all, I hope all who attended convention had a great time. The stream was very informative. My University has gradually migrated to a system called Banner self service. All students are required to use the system for scheduling, financial aid, updating information among other functions. The site is not fully accessible. Even with Safari and Voiceover, JAWS with Firefox and IE9 I'm unable to activate buttons or links. I've contacted the ds office and the tech office. This might be a silly question but I'm wondering how much time is reasonable to give to see significant change? AAs a blind student is it unreasonable to request JAWS in the library, or am I responsible for providing a key? I've always just taken my laptop with me when having to do group work which is a work around. Thanks for your input. Anjelina Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 01:36:50 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:36:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense In-Reply-To: <4e1b8f26.4145340a.1663.4465@mx.google.com> References: <4e1b8f26.4145340a.1663.4465@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1EBB5D077FD9455C996E32A60EF428DE@HumbertoAvila> Josh, I don't want to put you wrong, but I think the latest version of the pacmate omni runs windows mobile 6.0. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense Oh. I think pac mate runs on c e 5.2. sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brianna Scerenscko wrote: As to my knowledge, the pacmate would be more like a laptop--it runs on windows mobile 6.0 just like any other mainstream device out there. According to Freedom Scientific's pacmate headquarters web page, the pacmate is the ultimate computing solution for the blind--and that might be true because the pacmate can run third-party applications and can even run mobile versions of office applications (like word, excel and powerpoint). So in my opinion, the pacmate sounds like a more "off-the-shelf" notetaker, it has more openness regarding applications and features, and it even runs JAWS pocket version. So the pacmate is more like a windows pocket PC mainstream device or phone, but except it is accessible, runs a screen reader, and instead of a touch Screen interface, it has a full querty or Braille style keyboard depending on your choice. In regards to the Braille note or apex, those notetakers do not run third-party software, and have a more closed environment than the pacmate. Yes they have features such as WyFy (for the apex) and built-in Bluetooth, they have glitches too. For example, if your primary internet browsing experience is done by a Braille note or apex, you will see that many web sites do not support mobile platforms, or, will not be accessible--especially if they employed flash like youtube. In addition, the Braille note family of products--including the apex--does not, and will not open, Microsoft word tables or documents with complex formatting--which the pacmate does a better job at. It is known, by my personal experience, that the Braille note will eat your homework at some point--you know, you will open a document and you saved it with your Braille note, and then you try to open it later, the contents are wiped out! at least that's what happened to me when I had my Braille note00especially with documents that contain formatting such as lists or tabs. Hope this helps you and hope you have good luck with your notetaker hunt! Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense While these devices are somewhat different in their approaches, they mostly do the same things. If you are like most of us, a change of this magnitude would have to have a good reason. So, are there things that you can't do on the Pac Mate that you could on Apex or Braille Sense? Or is it that PM isn't as glitsy any more? Dave p.s. I still use a PacMate. It has synching options that the others don't have, and I need them. Plus I can use pocket versions of Word, Excel etc. which I need to do for work. Dave At 06:09 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: Hello everyone, Right now I have a pacmate but while at the convention I got a chance to learn about the apex and the braille sense. What do you guys use and do you think it would be worth making a switch? Amanda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber t.humberto2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 0gmail.com -- Brianna Scerenscko _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart1 2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 01:33:40 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:33:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense In-Reply-To: <4e1b8cfb.505c340a.12aa.46cd@mx.google.com> References: <4e1b8cfb.505c340a.12aa.46cd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <689A12A8AAE84BFB9AA5463123409DB6@HumbertoAvila> The pacmate uses microsoft activesync (for xp) and windows mobile device dcenter (for windows vista and windows 7), which acts just like a regular windows mobile phone. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense Hi Mr. Andrews, I am not sure, but I think the pac mate may not be updated anymore. I thought I heard something a while back about how fs was focused more on JAWS and stuff than the pm. Out of curiosity, what syncing options does the pm have that the others do not? Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews No I understand, and you very well could be right. Last i heard (it was a while ago anyway) it was 5.2. Very well could have changed since then. Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" Hello list, For the bennefit of those of us unable to make it to convention this year, who makes up the nabs board for the 2011/12 term? Thank you, Jordan mnabs president Sent from my iPod From amylsabo at comcast.net Tue Jul 12 03:57:24 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem In-Reply-To: <4e1b7781.31ad340a.4efa.4972@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1506462917.365443.1310443044635.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello there, i have tried miranda afew years ago and i didn't care for it at all! but, thanks for the advice anyway... hugs, amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:21:18 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem Um... just a thought, but what about using Miranda? You know, that program that supports like almost every instant messaging thing out there? Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Hi All! As we all recover from what for me anyway was an exciting NFB convention, I'm here to announce that re-airing of the performing arts division's Sound And Sight Volume2 Audio Tour on AudioAccessRadio. If you didn't get to our table at the convention, you can still buy the album at http://www.padnfb.org and you can meet the artists and hear some sample tracks at 8 PM eastern as part of our audio tour at http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php And if that's not insentive, those who make it through the presentation should stay tuned for an AudioAccessRadio exclusive piece of news. So once again, the special presentation airs for its last time ever at 8 PM eastern on AudioAccessRadio at http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php Hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy, Board member/Web Master, Performing Arts Division Of The National Federation Of The Blind http://www.padnfb.org Station Owner, host of The Djd Invasion Monday nights from 8 to 11 PM eastern, AudioAccessRadio http://www.audioaccessradio.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 14:44:06 2011 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:44:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Board In-Reply-To: <54F2977A-CB2F-4A48-A0C2-76D33D1E6E46@gmail.com> References: <54F2977A-CB2F-4A48-A0C2-76D33D1E6E46@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Jordan, The NABS board is as follows: President: Sean whalen 1st Vice: Karen Anderson 2nd Vice: Darian Smith Secretary: Cindy Bennett Treasurer: Shelby Ball Board Members: Candice Chaptman, Brieley Pollard, Megan Whalen and Dominique Lawless. I apologize if I misspelled anyone's name! Mary On 7/11/11, Jordan Richardson wrote: > Hello list, > > For the bennefit of those of us unable to make it to convention this year, > who makes up the nabs board for the 2011/12 term? > > Thank you, > Jordan > mnabs president > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez President: Georgia Association of Blind Students Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much rather you weren't doing it." Terry Pratchett From joshkart12 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 16:30:13 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:30:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem Message-ID: <4e1c76b0.4799dc0a.5532.0824@mx.google.com> Ah, sure thing. Didn't know if you had before, so I figured I'd put it out there. Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Sabo Message-ID: <4e1c8039.a319340a.3931.5a26@mx.google.com> Thanks for updateing everyone. I was wondering who wone as well. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Board Hey Jordan, The NABS board is as follows: President: Sean whalen 1st Vice: Karen Anderson 2nd Vice: Darian Smith Secretary: Cindy Bennett Treasurer: Shelby Ball Board Members: Candice Chaptman, Brieley Pollard, Megan Whalen and Dominique Lawless. I apologize if I misspelled anyone's name! Mary On 7/11/11, Jordan Richardson wrote: > Hello list, > > For the bennefit of those of us unable to make it to convention this year, > who makes up the nabs board for the 2011/12 term? > > Thank you, > Jordan > mnabs president > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. com > -- Mary Fernandez President: Georgia Association of Blind Students Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much rather you weren't doing it." Terry Pratchett _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 18:36:24 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:36:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: blind law grad sues Message-ID: <4e1c9439.8acce60a.4fff.ffff961e@mx.google.com> CgogCgpCbGluZCBMYXcgR3JhZCBTdWVzIHRvIFdpbiBQZXJtaXNzaW9uIHRvIFVzZSBTY3JlZW5y ZWFkZXIgClNvZnR3YXJlIG9uIE11bHRpc3RhdGUgRXRoaWNzIEV4YW0gLSBOZXdzIC0gQUJBIEpv dXJuYWwKCgoKQSBibGluZCBncmFkdWF0ZSBvZiBWZXJtb250IExhdyBTY2hvb2wgaGFzIGZpbGVk IGEgZmVkZXJhbCAKbGF3c3VpdCBhZ2FpbnN0IHRoZSBOYXRpb25hbCBDb25mZXJlbmNlIG9mIEJh ciBFeGFtaW5lcnMsIHNlZWtpbmcgCnBlcm1pc3Npb24gdG8gdXNlIHRoZSBzYW1lCgpzY3JlZW5y ZWFkZXIgc29mdHdhcmUgc2hlIHJlbGllcyBvbiBpbiBoZXIgc3R1ZGllcyBvbiB0aGUgCk11bHRp c3RhdGUgUHJvZmVzc2lvbmFsIFJlc3BvbnNpYmlsaXR5IEV4YW1pbmF0aW9uLgoKCgpUaGUgTkNC RSBhbmQgY28tZGVmZW5kYW50IEFjdCBJbmMuICBvZmZlciBhIG51bWJlciBvZiAKYWNjb21tb2Rh dGlvbnMgdG8gdGhlIGRpc2FibGVkIGluY2x1ZGluZyBCcmFpbGxlLCBsYXJnZS1wcmludCBhbmQg CmF1ZGlvIHZlcnNpb25zIG9mIHRoZSBwYXBlci1hbmQtcGVuY2lsCgp0ZXN0LiAgSG93ZXZlciwg cGxhaW50aWZmIERlYW5uYSBKb25lcywgNDQsIHNheXMgdGhleSB3b3VsZCBwdXQgCmhlciBhdCBh IGRpc2FkdmFudGFnZSBhbmQgcHJldmVudCBoZXIgZnJvbSBkb2luZyBoZXIgYmVzdCBvbiB0aGUg CmV0aGljcyB0ZXN0LCByZXBvcnRzIHRoZQoKQXNzb2NpYXRlZCBQcmVzcy4KCgoKIldoZXRoZXIg SSBjYW4gcGFzcyB3aXRoIG90aGVyIGFjY29tbW9kYXRpb25zIGlzIG5vdCB0aGUgCnF1ZXN0aW9u LCIgc2hlIHNheXMsIGFyZ3VpbmcgdGhhdCBldmVyeW9uZSB3YW50cyB0byBkbyB0aGVpciBiZXN0 IApvbiBzdWNoIHRlc3RzLiAgIldoeSBzaG91bGQgYQoKZGlzYWJsZWQgcGVyc29uIGJlIGFza2Vk IHRvIGRvIGFueSBsZXNzIG9uIGFuIGV4YW0/IgoKCgpUaGUgc3VpdCB3YXMgYnJvdWdodCBvbiBo ZXIgYmVoYWxmIGluIFUuUy4gIERpc3RyaWN0IENvdXJ0IGluIApCdXJsaW5ndG9uIGJ5CgpEYW4g R29sZHN0ZWluLAoKd2hvIHJlcHJlc2VudHMgdGhlIE5hdGlvbmFsIEZlZGVyYXRpb24gb2YgdGhl IEJsaW5kLgoKCgpSZWxhdGVkIGNvdmVyYWdlOgoKCgpBQkFKb3VybmFsLmNvbTogIgoKQmxpbmQg TGF3IEdyYWRzIFN1ZSBPdmVyIERlbmllZCBVc2Ugb2YgU2NyZWVuLUFjY2VzcyBTb2Z0d2FyZSBv biAKTXVsdGlzdGF0ZSBCYXIgRXhhbSIKCgoKQUJBSm91cm5hbC5jb206ICIKCjl0aCBDaXJjdWl0 IFJ1bGVzIEJsaW5kIExhdyBHcmFkIENhbiBVc2UgQ29tcHV0ZXIgQWlkcywgRGVzcGl0ZSAKSGFj a2luZyBGZWFycyIKCgoKQUJBSm91cm5hbC5jb206ICIKCjQgTGF3IFNjaG9vbHMgTmFtZWQgaW4g U3VpdCBCeSBCbGluZCBBZHZvY2FjeSBHcm91cCBPdmVyIExTQUOScyAKT25saW5lIExhdyBTY2hv b2wgQXBwbGljYXRpb25zIgoKCgoKCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYWJham91cm5hbC5jb20vbmV3cy9hcnRp Y2xlL2JsaW5kX2xhd19ncmFkX3N1ZXNfdG9fd2luCl9wZXJtaXNzaW9uX3RvX3VzZV9zY3JlZW5y ZWFkZXJfc29mdHdhcmVfb25fbXVsdGkvCgotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLSBuZXh0IHBhcnQgLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0KQSBub24tdGV4dCBhdHRhY2htZW50IHdhcyBzY3J1YmJlZC4uLgpOYW1lOiBhdHRh Y2htZW50ClR5cGU6IGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uL29jdGV0LXN0cmVhbQpTaXplOiAxMjkgYnl0ZXMKRGVz Yzogbm90IGF2YWlsYWJsZQpVUkw6IDxodHRwOi8vbmZibmV0Lm9yZy9waXBlcm1haWwvbmFicy1s X25mYm5ldC5vcmcvYXR0YWNobWVudHMvMjAxMTA3MTIvOTZkZDUxYTAvYXR0YWNobWVudC5hPgo= From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 18:40:36 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:40:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille Message-ID: <4e1c9535.6272e60a.2544.fffffa55@mx.google.com> Hi Katie, Thank you! Someone on another list told me the same thing, I tried it, and the problem is now resolved! I'm now reading Dr. tenBroek's biography, Blind Justice! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang wrote: I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log in it says my user name and password is wrong. I have called and gotten it changed three times and it still says it. wonder what I am doing wrong. On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi all, I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille users! I recently registered for WebBraille, and am looking forward to all it has to offer. But I do have this question: when I click on a link for a book, where can I find a link, button, or something where I can download the BRF file(s) onto my BrailleNote? I tried to download Walking Alone and Marching Together last night, and when I clicked on the link, it put me into the actual book to read online, but I wanted to download the book to read it in my BrailleNote's book reader at a later date. How can I do this? Thanks! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole 1988%40gmail.com -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykati e6%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 19:03:41 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:03:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites Message-ID: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> Well,=20you=20can=20always=20use=20Twitter=20or=20Facebook,=20but=20they=20= have=20a=20 character=20limit.=20=20The=20audio=20formatting=20depends=20on=20who=20wou= ld=20be=20 viewing=20your=20blog.=20=20I=20think=20mp3=20format=20would=20be=20a=20goo= d=20general=20 format. =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20 A=20forum=20is=20kind=20of=20like=20a=20list,=20like=20this=20one,=20but=20= more=20of=20a online=20message=20board=20instead=20of=20an=20email=20list,=20unless=20you= =20set=20it=20 up=20to=20be=20an=20email=20list.=20=20HTH! =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20=20 wrote: =20Hi=20all, =20I=92m=20interested=20in=20starting=20a=20blog=20or=20maybe=20more=20than= =20one=20blog. =20So=20what=20accessible=20sites=20are=20there?=20=20Do=20bloggers=20gener= ally=20write=20 first =20person=20stories,=20or=20about=20things=20they=20see=20that=20are=20more= =20 objective? 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For questions or to submit a story, email: abryant at miusa.org. > > > > Ashley Bryant > > Project Assistant > > Mobility International USA > > National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange > > 132 E. Broadway, Suite 343 > > Eugene, OR 97401 > > Tel./TTY (541) 343-1284 > > Fax (541) 343-6812 > > mailto:abryant at miusa.org > > www.miusa.org/ncde > > Follow our blog: www.miusablog.org > > The National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange > (NCDE) provides free > information and referral services related to the > participation of people > with disabilities in international exchange programs. Link > to the NCDE > homepage from your website! Use one of the html graphics of > MIUSA's new logo > found on our "Link to the NCDE" page. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > If you are having trouble accessing this listserv please > contact Joe Hall at jozhall at gmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------- > ACCESS IS A CIVIL RIGHT!! Please DO NOT forget to include a > topic in the subject of every message you send to the NDSU > listserv. > > NDSU List Topics: CURR, ORG, GOV, DS, and ANN. > > CURR: for current events. Education about current issues. > ORG: for discussions of organizing. Practical education. > GOV: Includes legislative, judicial, and executive > information, organization, and calls to action on government > issues. Political education. > DS: for discussions of disability as a political and > cultural issue. Theoretical education. > ANN: for any general announcements and housekeeping, > including discussions concerning accessibility. > > If you would like to change the topics that you are > currently subscribed to, go to: http://listserv.uic.edu/htbin/wa?LMGT1 > > For more information on NDSU visit: > www.disabledstudents.org > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 20:03:20 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:03:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] New Board In-Reply-To: <4e1c8039.a319340a.3931.5a26@mx.google.com> References: <4e1c8039.a319340a.3931.5a26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Typically,The Honor and Privilage of making the announcement of the new board goes to the President of that new board. I was going to make such announcement, but seeing as I am not the president, and the last time I had spoken to the president, he had indecated that he wished to do so, I had left it at that. I understand though, that this information has made the rounds. This is not a secret by any stretch, and I know that everyone is just settling back into the post-convention swing of things. Basically, I just wanted to maintain that informal custom that Presidents seem to have. BEst, Darian On 7/12/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Thanks for updateing everyone. I was wondering who wone as well. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Mary Fernandez > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:44 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Board > > Hey Jordan, > The NABS board is as follows: > President: Sean whalen > 1st Vice: Karen Anderson > 2nd Vice: Darian Smith > Secretary: Cindy Bennett > Treasurer: Shelby Ball > Board Members: Candice Chaptman, Brieley Pollard, Megan Whalen and > Dominique Lawless. > I apologize if I misspelled anyone's name! > Mary > > On 7/11/11, Jordan Richardson wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> For the bennefit of those of us unable to make it to convention this year, >> who makes up the nabs board for the 2011/12 term? >> >> Thank you, >> Jordan >> mnabs president >> >> Sent from my iPod >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. > com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > President: Georgia Association of Blind Students > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > > "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much > rather you weren't doing it." > Terry Pratchett > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.” — Shaquille O'Neal From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 20:45:17 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:45:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> References: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ashley, Blogspot's worked fine for me, although I've only played with it a little bit. I know lots of blind folks like livejournal. Best, Kirt On 7/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Well, you can always use Twitter or Facebook, but they have a > character limit. The audio formatting depends on who would be > viewing your blog. I think mp3 format would be a good general > format. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Hi all, > > I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write > first person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it > possible to upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. > I figured blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Tue Jul 12 20:51:08 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:51:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: References: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I know WordPress is another popular blog that people use. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Ashley, > Blogspot's worked fine for me, although I've only played with it a > little bit. I know lots of blind folks like livejournal. > Best, > Kirt > > On 7/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Well, you can always use Twitter or Facebook, but they have a > > character limit. The audio formatting depends on who would be > > viewing your blog. I think mp3 format would be a good general > > format. > > > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > > > Hi all, > > > > I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write > > first person stories, or about things they see that are more > > objective? > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it > > possible to upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > > maybe you need sighted help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > > I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. > > I figured blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > > myself, life and my opinions on things like books, technology, > > and religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 22:28:30 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:28:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New Board In-Reply-To: References: <4e1c8039.a319340a.3931.5a26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I would just like to take a moment to congratulate the newly elected NABS board. I would also like to thank all those who helped to make our student division seminar and business meeting a success: all the members of the former NABS board for their help with registration, election management, and door prizes, and all those volunteers who assisted with marshalling and vote counting. Your assistance was invaluable in allowing me to focus on chairing the seminar and election process without having to redirect my attention to these details. While the elections took a long time with many candidates running and several counted contests, I believe they were conducted in a fair and organized fashion, and I can attribute this to the competence of all those who worked together to count votes. If you have feedback about the elections process or how it can be improved in the future, I would encourage you to direct this feedback to our new president, Sean Whalen, or to others on the new board. Finally, I want to acknowledge those of you who ran for positions on the NABS board and were not elected. There were quite a few of you, and without naming names, I will say that I know many of you personally and believe you have a lot to offer the student division in terms of ideas and service. I sincerely hope that all of you who ran for the NABS board will lend us your service on NABS committees, offer to organize new NABS committees or activities, and continue to serve as leaders in your state student divisions. I wish the best of luck to the next NABS board. As past president, I will not meddle in the affairs of the new board, but I am always available to offer advice or assistance if you ask for it. Best, Arielle Silverman On 7/12/11, Darian Smith wrote: > Hi all, > Typically,The Honor and Privilage of making the announcement of the > new board goes to the President of that new board. I was going to > make such announcement, but seeing as I am not the president, and the > last time I had spoken to the president, he had indecated that he > wished to do so, I had left it at that. > I understand though, that this information has made the rounds. > This is not a secret by any stretch, and I know that everyone is just > settling back into the post-convention swing of things. Basically, > I just wanted to maintain that informal custom that Presidents seem to > have. > BEst, > Darian > > On 7/12/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> Thanks for updateing everyone. I was wondering who wone as well. >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Mary Fernandez >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:44 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Board >> >> Hey Jordan, >> The NABS board is as follows: >> President: Sean whalen >> 1st Vice: Karen Anderson >> 2nd Vice: Darian Smith >> Secretary: Cindy Bennett >> Treasurer: Shelby Ball >> Board Members: Candice Chaptman, Brieley Pollard, Megan Whalen and >> Dominique Lawless. >> I apologize if I misspelled anyone's name! >> Mary >> >> On 7/11/11, Jordan Richardson wrote: >>> Hello list, >>> >>> For the bennefit of those of us unable to make it to convention this >>> year, >>> who makes up the nabs board for the 2011/12 term? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Jordan >>> mnabs president >>> >>> Sent from my iPod >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> President: Georgia Association of Blind Students >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> >> "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much >> rather you weren't doing it." >> Terry Pratchett >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Darian Smith > > “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.” > > — Shaquille O'Neal > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jul 12 22:51:38 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:51:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: References: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0E8E42AAADFA46BBB93F2AB8FD072DBF@OwnerPC> Hi all, So how does livejournal work? Is there a word limit per blog? Can you find other people on it or find blogs with common interests? I thought this blog was kind of a journal of your life, hence its name. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites I know WordPress is another popular blog that people use. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Ashley, > Blogspot's worked fine for me, although I've only played with it a > little bit. I know lots of blind folks like livejournal. > Best, > Kirt > > On 7/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Well, you can always use Twitter or Facebook, but they have a > > character limit. The audio formatting depends on who would be > > viewing your blog. I think mp3 format would be a good general > > format. > > > > Chris > > > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > > Foundation. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > > > Hi all, > > > > I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. > > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write > > first person stories, or about things they see that are more > > objective? > > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it > > possible to upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > > maybe you need sighted help to post photos? > > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? > > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? > > I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. > > I figured blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > > myself, life and my opinions on things like books, technology, > > and religion. > > > > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? > > > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 22:59:35 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina Cruz) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:59:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: <0E8E42AAADFA46BBB93F2AB8FD072DBF@OwnerPC> References: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> <0E8E42AAADFA46BBB93F2AB8FD072DBF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: As far as I know Livejournal does not have a word limit. It is possible to connect with communities of other users with similar interests. Another neat feature is voice posts are an alternative to posting writing entries. On 7/12/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi all, > So how does livejournal work? Is there a word limit per blog? Can you find > other people on it or find blogs with common interests? > I thought this blog was kind of a journal of your life, hence its name. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dodge > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:51 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > I know WordPress is another popular blog that people use. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Kirt Manwaring > wrote: > >> Ashley, >> Blogspot's worked fine for me, although I've only played with it a >> little bit. I know lots of blind folks like livejournal. >> Best, >> Kirt >> >> On 7/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> > Well, you can always use Twitter or Facebook, but they have a >> > character limit. The audio formatting depends on who would be >> > viewing your blog. I think mp3 format would be a good general >> > format. >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> > Foundation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > > > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >> > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write >> > first person stories, or about things they see that are more >> > objective? >> > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it >> > possible to upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >> > maybe you need sighted help to post photos? >> > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >> > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >> > I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. >> > I figured blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >> > myself, life and my opinions on things like books, technology, >> > and religion. >> > >> > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >> > >> > >> > Thanks. >> > Ashley >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> > sbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Tue Jul 12 23:00:44 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:00:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: <0E8E42AAADFA46BBB93F2AB8FD072DBF@OwnerPC> References: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> <0E8E42AAADFA46BBB93F2AB8FD072DBF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I have used LiveJournal very preliminarily in the past. I stopped because I did not have the time to commit to it anymore. From what I remember, there is no word limit and you can connect to other people's blogs. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:51 PM, wrote: > Hi all, > So how does livejournal work? Is there a word limit per blog? Can you find > other people on it or find blogs with common interests? > I thought this blog was kind of a journal of your life, hence its name. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:51 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > I know WordPress is another popular blog that people use. > > David > ------------------------------**---- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Kirt Manwaring > **wrote: > > Ashley, >> Blogspot's worked fine for me, although I've only played with it a >> little bit. I know lots of blind folks like livejournal. >> Best, >> Kirt >> >> On 7/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> > Well, you can always use Twitter or Facebook, but they have a >> > character limit. The audio formatting depends on who would be >> > viewing your blog. I think mp3 format would be a good general >> > format. >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> > on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> > Foundation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BrailleNote >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > > > Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >> > So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write >> > first person stories, or about things they see that are more >> > objective? >> > Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it >> > possible to upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >> > maybe you need sighted help to post photos? >> > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >> > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> > you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >> > I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. >> > I figured blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >> > myself, life and my opinions on things like books, technology, >> > and religion. >> > >> > What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >> > >> > >> > Thanks. >> > Ashley >> > ______________________________**_________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> > sbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 23:16:02 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:16:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] New Board In-Reply-To: References: <4e1c8039.a319340a.3931.5a26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I would Just like to Publicly congratulate (in no particular order the following folks: Nijat Worley, Isaiah Wilcox, and Janice jeang.) These are people I have personally worked with and can speak to their efforts and talents as far as the positive progression of nabs goes. I have learned from and grown with these individuals and am happy to have had the chance to have worked with them. To Arielle Silverman, our past nabs president: My deepest appreciation to you in helping me grow into the leader I am at this point. You have done alot for me personally, but to a larger extent, a great deal for the national association of blind students. You have been a voice of reason, a seeker of common ground, and the lendse that has focused us on the main vision, where we should always be focused twards - bettering and supporting the National Federation of the Blind. Each of you have plans that take you in different directions in life, butI know you will always be a support to the student division and of the larger movement. So, Best wishes to you all and, well, it's not "good-bye" it's "see you soon" With Much Love and appreciation Darian Smith On 7/12/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I would just like to take a moment to congratulate the newly elected > NABS board. I would also like to thank all those who helped to make > our student division seminar and business meeting a success: all the > members of the former NABS board for their help with registration, > election management, and door prizes, and all those volunteers who > assisted with marshalling and vote counting. Your assistance was > invaluable in allowing me to focus on chairing the seminar and > election process without having to redirect my attention to these > details. While the elections took a long time with many candidates > running and several counted contests, I believe they were conducted in > a fair and organized fashion, and I can attribute this to the > competence of all those who worked together to count votes. If you > have feedback about the elections process or how it can be improved in > the future, I would encourage you to direct this feedback to our new > president, Sean Whalen, or to others on the new board. > Finally, I want to acknowledge those of you who ran for positions on > the NABS board and were not elected. There were quite a few of you, > and without naming names, I will say that I know many of you > personally and believe you have a lot to offer the student division in > terms of ideas and service. I sincerely hope that all of you who ran > for the NABS board will lend us your service on NABS committees, offer > to organize new NABS committees or activities, and continue to serve > as leaders in your state student divisions. > I wish the best of luck to the next NABS board. As past president, I > will not meddle in the affairs of the new board, but I am always > available to offer advice or assistance if you ask for it. > > Best, > Arielle Silverman > > On 7/12/11, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hi all, >> Typically,The Honor and Privilage of making the announcement of the >> new board goes to the President of that new board. I was going to >> make such announcement, but seeing as I am not the president, and the >> last time I had spoken to the president, he had indecated that he >> wished to do so, I had left it at that. >> I understand though, that this information has made the rounds. >> This is not a secret by any stretch, and I know that everyone is just >> settling back into the post-convention swing of things. Basically, >> I just wanted to maintain that informal custom that Presidents seem to >> have. >> BEst, >> Darian >> >> On 7/12/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>> Thanks for updateing everyone. I was wondering who wone as well. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Mary Fernandez >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:44 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Board >>> >>> Hey Jordan, >>> The NABS board is as follows: >>> President: Sean whalen >>> 1st Vice: Karen Anderson >>> 2nd Vice: Darian Smith >>> Secretary: Cindy Bennett >>> Treasurer: Shelby Ball >>> Board Members: Candice Chaptman, Brieley Pollard, Megan Whalen and >>> Dominique Lawless. >>> I apologize if I misspelled anyone's name! >>> Mary >>> >>> On 7/11/11, Jordan Richardson wrote: >>>> Hello list, >>>> >>>> For the bennefit of those of us unable to make it to convention this >>>> year, >>>> who makes up the nabs board for the 2011/12 term? >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Jordan >>>> mnabs president >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPod >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. >>> com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> President: Georgia Association of Blind Students >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> >>> "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much >>> rather you weren't doing it." >>> Terry Pratchett >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>> l.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> >> “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.” >> >> — Shaquille O'Neal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.” — Shaquille O'Neal From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jul 12 23:17:32 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:17:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> References: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <78F867BD577448A1A7BC12E30FAF1E29@OwnerPC> Ah twitter is for short messages not in depth stories or writing about your day's actions; I think the limit is 140 characters; thanks for the suggestion. I assume that twitter is accessible, then? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites Well, you can always use Twitter or Facebook, but they have a character limit. The audio formatting depends on who would be viewing your blog. I think mp3 format would be a good general format. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: References: Message-ID: <8C3E04283A29472284F3E0450D9EAAD0@OwnerPC> Joshua, So you're saying a forum is meant for a group of people. Um, then how do you control who posts to it, that its just your group? Does everyone get an invite to join from the person who set it up and then everyone creates a user name and password? What sites are accessible for forums? Yes I am into beep baseball for the recreation of it, I'm not much of an athlete but I enjoy seeing myself improve and getting a home run and talking to other players. The telephone pioneers put it on as volunteers; I've enjoyed it since I was a kid. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites Yes. Are you familiar with the beap baseball? I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. Blessings, Joshua On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people to discuss > something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if I had several people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that was one of the things > I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want to post online, I'd like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio captcha, (if they still > have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I’m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there? Do bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are more objective? >> Any of you have a blog? How often do you update it? Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I’d like to share with friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 23:34:40 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:34:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites In-Reply-To: <78F867BD577448A1A7BC12E30FAF1E29@OwnerPC> References: <4e1c9a9f.e1b2340a.5187.5142@mx.google.com> <78F867BD577448A1A7BC12E30FAF1E29@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Twitter is a social network, just like facebook. I haven't heard about that is being used for blogging -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites Ah twitter is for short messages not in depth stories or writing about your day's actions; I think the limit is 140 characters; thanks for the suggestion. I assume that twitter is accessible, then? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites Well, you can always use Twitter or Facebook, but they have a character limit. The audio formatting depends on who would be viewing your blog. I think mp3 format would be a good general format. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com>, <06A157C9704B402F9A58645FFD4BA067@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Get ready for retaliatory acts by your school. Here in NYC at educational institutions such as CUNY, they are good at that. Your grades and reputation will suffer. I am unable to get into graduate school or get a job since I have been blasted on websites and blogs for my advocacy efferts. My GPA went from a 3.9 to a final 2.6. So much for trying to “”lives the American dream." while helping others. I dealt with this when the economy was good; just, picture what you are against now that every corporation blames the economy and current-day politics. This happens regardless of the special funding that they receive superseding the current economical situation. Sorry for the rant, Joe > From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:17:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities > > Anjelina, > There are some similar issues at Nova, northern Virginia community college; > I started a writing certificate there and ran into access issues. While the > site for grades, transcripts, etc wasn't inaccessible, I'd say it wasn't > very screen reader friendly. > > I complained about inaccessible stuff on the website like unlabeled > graphics. I also requested an update to jaws in the library. > I haven't seen much change; not to mention several violations of ADA to the > environment for those with physical disabilities; all doors should be wide > enough for wheel chairs and they need more push buttons for doors. > > Yes its reasonable to request jaws. Its about the same access; all other > students have the access to computers on campus and you should have access > to at least some of them. Your tuition covers technology access. > > I'd make a written complaint if I were you and go up the chain of command. > Mention in your complaint about how schools need to comply with section 508 > regulations. I assume your school receives federal support and if they do, > they are bound by civil rights laws like ADA and section 508 of the rehab > act. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anjelina > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:36 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities > ofuniversities > > Hi all, > I hope all who attended convention had a great time. The stream was very > informative. > My University has gradually migrated to a system called Banner self service. > All students are required to use the system for scheduling, financial aid, > updating information among other functions. The site is not fully > accessible. Even with Safari and Voiceover, JAWS with Firefox and IE9 I'm > unable to activate buttons or links. I've contacted the ds office and the > tech office. This might be a silly question but I'm wondering how much time > is reasonable to give to see significant change? > AAs a blind student is it unreasonable to request JAWS in the library, or am > I responsible for providing a key? I've always just taken my laptop with me > when having to do group work which is a work around. > Thanks for your input. > > Anjelina > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 01:29:23 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:29:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities In-Reply-To: References: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com> <06A157C9704B402F9A58645FFD4BA067@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20110713012922.GF75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> Be prepared to document EVERYTHING. Get it in writing, save every email you receive or send out. Come up with an indexing system now, because you’ll need it later. Don’t expect that just because you’re facing discrimination that the NFB will come to your rescue with legal help—I had email where the professors actively said they were looking for a student teaching site that would ensure I failed, and yet I had no support. You may never get anything for your efforts, and your efforts may be long indeed. But you can pave the way for others, if you’re determined to do it. I was, and I did. It ended my career before it began though. Others have benefited from my work, including one of our scholarship winners this year. Joseph On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:20:51PM -0400, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: > > >Get ready for retaliatory acts by your school. Here in NYC at educational institutions such as CUNY, they are good at that. Your grades and reputation will suffer. I am unable to get into graduate school or get a job since I have been blasted on websites and blogs for my advocacy efferts. My GPA went from a 3.9 to a final 2.6. So much for trying to “”lives the American dream." while helping others. I dealt with this when the economy was good; just, picture what you are against now that every corporation blames the economy and current-day politics. This happens regardless of the special funding that they receive superseding the current economical situation. >Sorry for the rant, >Joe > > > > >> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:17:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities >> >> Anjelina, >> There are some similar issues at Nova, northern Virginia community college; >> I started a writing certificate there and ran into access issues. While the >> site for grades, transcripts, etc wasn't inaccessible, I'd say it wasn't >> very screen reader friendly. >> >> I complained about inaccessible stuff on the website like unlabeled >> graphics. I also requested an update to jaws in the library. >> I haven't seen much change; not to mention several violations of ADA to the >> environment for those with physical disabilities; all doors should be wide >> enough for wheel chairs and they need more push buttons for doors. >> >> Yes its reasonable to request jaws. Its about the same access; all other >> students have the access to computers on campus and you should have access >> to at least some of them. Your tuition covers technology access. >> >> I'd make a written complaint if I were you and go up the chain of command. >> Mention in your complaint about how schools need to comply with section 508 >> regulations. I assume your school receives federal support and if they do, >> they are bound by civil rights laws like ADA and section 508 of the rehab >> act. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anjelina >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities >> ofuniversities >> >> Hi all, >> I hope all who attended convention had a great time. The stream was very >> informative. >> My University has gradually migrated to a system called Banner self service. >> All students are required to use the system for scheduling, financial aid, >> updating information among other functions. The site is not fully >> accessible. Even with Safari and Voiceover, JAWS with Firefox and IE9 I'm >> unable to activate buttons or links. I've contacted the ds office and the >> tech office. This might be a silly question but I'm wondering how much time >> is reasonable to give to see significant change? >> AAs a blind student is it unreasonable to request JAWS in the library, or am >> I responsible for providing a key? I've always just taken my laptop with me >> when having to do group work which is a work around. >> Thanks for your input. >> >> Anjelina >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 01:30:49 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:30:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: <4e1cf55d.a44ee50a.3767.17ce@mx.google.com> Humberto, I=20thought=202012=20would=20be=20in=20Dallas,=20as=20I=20heard=20from=20Dr= .=20=20Maurer=20at=20 this=20year's=20convention.=20=20Unless=20you=20mean=202018's=20would=20be= =20in=20 Orlando,=20making=20it=20six=20years. =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Anmol=20Bhatia=20=20wr= ote: =20From:=20Rachael=20Vacanti=20, =20NFBMD=20list=20, =20NFB =A0=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20history=20list=20, =A0=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20"OF=20BLIND=20STUDENTS, =20COLORADO=20ASSOCIATION"=20 References: <4e1cf55d.a44ee50a.3767.17ce@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2C962FFD94984136BB14B943263BEF0C@HumbertoAvila> I didn't send that message. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Humberto, I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from Dr. Maurer at this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would be in Orlando, making it six years. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Anmol Bhatia wrote: From: Rachael Vacanti , NFBMD list , NFB ????history list , ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION" References: <4e1cf55d.a44ee50a.3767.17ce@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <01e401cc40ff$4f7b2390$ee716ab0$@net> Chris- the convention will be Orlando for 6 years starting in 2013.=20 Tina =20 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Humberto, I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from Dr. Maurer at=20 this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would be in=20 Orlando, making it six years. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in=20 Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click=20 on this link to learn more and to contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. =20 Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Anmol Bhatia wrote: From: Rachael Vacanti , NFBMD list , NFB ????history list , ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION" Message-ID: <1310521858.78401.YahooMailClassic@web162012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be held in Orlando. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > From: Humberto Avila > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM > I didn't send  that message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > Humberto, > > I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from > Dr.  Maurer at > this year's convention.  Unless you mean 2018's would > be in > Orlando, making it six years. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired youth > in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? > Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N.  > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anmol Bhatia To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six > > years. > > > > --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti > wrote: > > From: Rachael Vacanti Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > I agree with Chris and Sherri.? > I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't > leave until the next > Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun > right??Wrong.?I didn't get out > of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the > beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? > Because there were too many > things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome > and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > more.?I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > "required".?General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > announce the state > cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > once and I don't think > he even told me where it was.?The states should get > them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where > it > is.?I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > they did a very good > job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > ????http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 젨?.  [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > 젨?.  Re: question about brail to word > program? (Chris Nusbaum) > 젨?.  Re: [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day in mi > ???(Josh Gregory) > 젨?.  Re: question about NLS WebBraille > (Katie Wang) > 젨?.  accessible blog and journal sites > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 젨?.  Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > 젨?.  Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 젨?.  Thanks for the Help at National > Convention (Elizabeth) > 젨?.  Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > ?10.  aim problem (Amy Sabo) > ?11.  Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > ?12.  iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum To: NABS list , > NFBMD list , > NFB > ????history list Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > 5 years > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > ?---- Original Message ------ > From: "Sherri" Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > It was announced at the convention that conventions > from 2013 > through 2017 > will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend > the length of > the convention > back to how it was and NFB would > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That > way, people could > get excited > about Orlando and have time to go places.?I > liked the old > schedule much > better.?If we are going to keep people here for > five years in a > row, we need > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > all there is > to do in > Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night > before the last > day of > convention. > > > Sherri Brun > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other > plans." John > Lennon > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > ?NFBF Newsline? chair > www.nfbnewsline.org > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > http://nfbfgoc.org > Secretary FDCP INC > www.fdcp.org > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for blindtlk: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > ????list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > of the > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > the BN and > ask questions when they're having technical > problems.?Here's the > link: > www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote.? > In > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > to the BN > list and forward you any responses off list.? > Hope this helps! > > ?Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > format > documents into word > documents.?If you want to do so, you will have > to use your > Braille note to > do it because there is no program that will translate > and convert > Keyword > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > (.doc) > documents, unless > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > and then use > a program > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > will need > Duxbury > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > license if you > don't > already have it--you can although try it for free but > some > functions will be > disabled) > I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to > send another > message off list > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > is good > practice for > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > assistive > technology. > Cheers,?Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > Of Andi > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > ask.?I use to > use my brail > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > wondering if > there is a > > program to change the files from the brail document to > a word > document? > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > simpaler to > use the > better, but I still want it to do a good job.? > thank you so much > for your > help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > First Portable > Camera > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > Reading > System > to Support Touchscreen > for People with Low Vision > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > Inc.?( > www.gwmicro.com) > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.com) > are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The > Readit Wand is a > portable > camera that > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read > documents > for > the visually impaired. > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and > more with > ease > using the Readit > Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will > be read in a > clear, > human-sounding > voice.?The ability to read all of these items > makes Readit Wand > the > perfect tool > for the classroom, at home, or at work. > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects > via USB. > The > 5-megapixel camera > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for > recognition > in as > little as two > seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand > allows for > automatic > multi-language > switching when other languages are installed.? > The portability > and > multiple language > support make it the ideal tool for students who are > learning a > foreign language. > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > that > allows > you to save, load, > import, and export documents, including PDFs.? > Importing PDF > files > into the Readit > software enables users to read PDF files that > originally are > inaccessible because > they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also > allows you to > save > documents as > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > document as an > MP3 > file to listen > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > access > toolbar > designed specifically > for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the > ability to adjust > the > size of the > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > all the basic > controls enabling > low vision users to capture their document, change the > view to > their > preference and > more at the click of a button. > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > different > types > of highlights, > as well as six different ways to display text, > allowing low > vision > users to customize > the software to their personal preference. > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > Wand is the > first > portable camera > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > users the > ability > to interact > with the software by simply using their fingers!? > This means no > more > tracking the > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > user and > the > Readit software, > creating the best possible user experience. > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > Readit Wand > in > the U.S., developed > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > in the > UK.?Readit Wand will > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > www.gwmicro.com, > email > sales at gwmicro.com > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > GW Micro, Inc.?( > www.gwmicro.com) > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > industry > since 1990, > and > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.com), > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > effective > and > simple to use > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > that make > reading a pleasure > once again. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. > dempsey%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > t.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > ????list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day > ????in mi > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Hi, > OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each > other's > competetors/enemies/whatever.?So, at the moment > anyway, I doubt > it. > Best, > Josh > > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > day in mi > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > ensure > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > Help > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > jointly > with ACB on this.?What does > everyone think? > ?Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > day in mi > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > ?Thoughts on this? > > ?Chris > > ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities > motto) > > ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > can!" How? Click > ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: > ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > at I C.A.N. > ?Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?---- Original Message ------ > ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > this day in mi > ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > ?A Call to Action ? > > ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > with Disabilities > ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > ?A Public Report on > ?Polling Place > > ?Accessibility in Michigan > > ?Public Report by > > ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > ?2011 > > ?Acknowledgements > > ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > is Michigan? > ?designated agency to advocate and protect the > legal rights of > ?persons with disabilities, mandated > ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives > funding from the > ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > the center for > ?Mental Health Services ?Substance > ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > the > ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > Social Security > ?Administration, the State of Michigan > ?and from private donations. > > ?Funding for this report has been made possible > through the U.S. > ?Department of Health and Human Services, > Administration for > ?Children and Families, and the > ?Administration on Developmental > Disabilities.?The contents are > ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not > necessarily > ?represent the official views > ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human > Services. > > ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, Inc.?This > ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its > entirety for > ?noncommercial purposes as long > ?as appropriate credit is given. > > ?Table of Contents > > ?Executive > > > > Summary.......................................................... > ? > ...................................................5 > > ?Midterm > > > > Report........................................................... > ? > > .........................................................6 > > ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > > > Project.......................................................... > ?.........7 > > ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election > ? > Officials......................................10 > > ?Next > > > > Steps............................................................ > ? > > ..............................................................11 > > ?In > > > > Summary.......................................................... > ? > > ..............................................................11 > > ?Accessibility Rate Per > > > > County........................................................... > ?................................13 > > ?Executive Summary > > ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > obstacles at voting > ?locations often because their polling place > lacks physical > ?accessibility.?The Help America > ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > obstacles faced by > voters > ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the > federally > ?mandated Protection and Advocacy > ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > barriers. > ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > targeted for > ?elimination in the President? proposed > ?2012 budget. > > ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, (MPAS), > ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > with helping to ensure > ?the full participation of > ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral > process, > including > ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > accessing polling > ?places. > > ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > that every > ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > to their > polling > ?location and has the opportunity > ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS > staff members are on > ?the ground providing advice, technical > assistance, and training > ?to election officials about > ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of > disabilities.?The > ?agency also provides outreach and training to > voters with > ?disabilities, poll workers, and > ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary > of State of Michigan > ?partnered over the past six years working toward > this goal, > which > ?has been effective in > ?increasing physical access to polling locations > throughout > ?Michigan. > > ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > United States > ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > subject to intense > ?public scrutiny each election > ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections > prohibit > ?discrimination against people with disabilities > in the electoral > ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional > ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge > for individuals > ?with disabilities despite changes made to > federal and state laws > ?intended to ensure full > ?participation. > > ?Key Summary > > ???젨잻isability advocates > have visited 95% (3,457) and > ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > Michigan. > > ???젨쟖pon initial review, > Michigan Protection and Advocacy > ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > polling places > were > ?compliant under the Americans > ?with Disabilities Act. > > ???젨잸fter working with > state and local officials, it is > ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > will be increased > ?to 90% in 2012. > > ???젨쟏f the locations that > were inaccessible, 60% had one > ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > had three or more > ?types of barriers. > > ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 > counties in Michigan were 100% > ?physically accessible upon initial visit. > > ???젨쟋PAS continues to > receive complaints regarding the > ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > device. > > ?Michigan has made great strides toward > accessibility at the > ?polls.?This report will highlight the > steps taken to ensure > that > ?all polling locations throughout > ?Michigan are accessible to voters with > disabilities.?In > ?addition, the report will offer recommendations > for Michigan to > ?achieve and maintain an accessibility > ?rate of 100%. > > ?2010 Mid Term Report > > ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > the country, > ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > in 2002.?HAVA > ?included sweeping legislation > ?intended to modernize the electoral system for > all voters, > ?including those with disabilities.?The > Help America Vote Act > ?reinforced the application of > ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > and Section 504 > ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in > 2004, Michigan > ?lawmakers amended Michigan election > ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > removal of physical > ?barriers at polling locations.? > Irrespective of both federal and > ?state law, 25% of Michigan's > ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible > for the November > ?2010 general election.?To achieve an > all-encompassing voting > ?standard for the fifty states, > ?HAVA included two key components for the > disability community: > > ???젨잸ll polling places > must have at least one voting system > ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > privately and > ?independently, whether or not one > ?has a disability. > > ???젨쟔tates must ensure > accessibility at all public polling > ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans > with > Disabilities > ?Act (ADA). > > ?Accessible Voting System > > ?In 2004, the disability community and the > Michigan Secretary of > ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > assessing which > ?accessible device would best > ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > selected the > ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible > ballot marking device > ?that can be used by all voters > ?with or without disabilities. > > ?Although every polling location is equipped with > the AutoMARK, > ?each municipality is responsible for making sure > it is set up > and > ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, > ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > AutoMARK.?Voter > ?complaints have included the following:? > the AutoMARK was boxed > ?up on Election Day, unplugged, > ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > could see the > ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning > jammed ballots have been > ?greatly reduced since the > ?last round of updates were completed.? > Because the AutoMARK is > ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > feedback to > ?correct these kinds of problems. > ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > complaints as they > ?arise. > > ?Accessible Polling Places > > ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > money to assist > with > ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the > AutoMARK, but also > ?to help municipalities > ?make their polling places physically > accessible.?Congress > ?recognized that in order for people to use the > accessible voting > ?machines, the building must > ?also be accessible so voters can access the > polling location and > ?voting equipment.?It is the local election > officials? > ?responsibility to make sure all > ?polling locations are accessible on Election > Day.?To help cover > ?the expense for removing barriers at polling > locations, the > ?Michigan BOE administers a > ?grant program called Access for All, under the > U.S.?Department > ?of Health and Human Services with funding > allocated through > HAVA, > ?to help the state comply > ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the > Access for All grants > ?cover all costs associated with accessibility > upgrades for > ?polling locations. > > ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement > provisions under HAVA > was > ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > required to complete an > ?accessibility checklist > ?to determine whether or not their locations were > accessible. > ?This was one of the state? first attempts to > gather information > ?on Michigan? polling place > ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and > other organizations > ?were working closely with individual election > officials on > ?polling location reviews and > ?were also training the municipal clerks on the > accessibility > ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a > considerable amount of time > ?assisting clerks with assessing > ?the accessibility of their polling locations and > helping them > ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS > found that the > ?accessibility data provided by > ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > reliable. > > ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > (BOE) attention > and > ?shared independent accessibility reviews with > them.?The BOE has > ?since increased efforts > ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > communication > ?and requiring additional documentation from the > clerks. > > ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > polling locations > ?randomly, without notifying the election > official in advance. > ?After compiling this data on > ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > of > ?inaccessibility became a heightened > concern.?Once these > concerns > ?were communicated to the Bureau of > ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > dramatically > ?increasing their involvement in the advancement > of polling place > ?accessibility. > > ?This same year, the federal government began > reviewing how the > ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This > fueled speculation that > ?the federal government would > ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > some states had > ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an > account and > ?allowing the funds to gain > ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would > pull the allocated > funds > ?completely, which would prevent municipalities > from accessing > ?money to make polling places > ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > of Elections, > ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% > accessibility at all > ?Michigan polling places. > > ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > of a statewide > ?plan to reach 100% polling place > accessibility.?MPAS and the > ?Bureau of Elections strengthened > ?their partnership in order to achieve this > goal.?Within this > ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > locations throughout > ?the state.?Michigan has > ?approximately 3,600 polling places in > total.?MPAS had already > ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior > to 2010, > ?therefore, did not revisit those > ?locations (some were initially accessible and > others MPAS worked > ?closely with clerks to improve > accessibility.?MPAS is still > ?working with clerks to bring > ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > into compliance). > ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > polling locations in > ?2010. > > ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > least 95% of the > ?polling places in Michigan. > > ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > nearly 25% of the > ?polling places that remained physically > inaccessible as required > ?by the Americans with > ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > 2,927 were assessed > ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG > as a benchmark to > ?determine physical accessibility, > ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > locations visited, > ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the > ADAAG ? > barriers > ?that create potential > ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on > Election Day. > > ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > from fully > ?participating in all aspects of society because > of their > ?disability.?This might include > architectural > ?barriers, physical barriers, communication > barriers, attitudinal > ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? > Throughout this project, > MPAS? > ?reviews focused primarily > ?on physical and external barriers, which are > defined as > something > ?material that blocks passage.?Physical > barriers addressed in > ?this report include objects > ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > doorways, > ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > inaccessible door > ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > 2010, 28% did not > ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on > discussions with the BOE > ?in 2008, when MPAS completed > ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > notified with a > ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > they were also > ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. > ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > municipalities > ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The > letters contained a > ?photograph of the problem area(s), > ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? > Within a five month > ?period, letters were sent to over 440 > municipalities concerning > ?approximately 800 polling > ?locations. > > ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places > visited in 2010 had > ?some type of physical barrier present at the > time of review. > > ?The following chart highlights the most common > number of > physical > ?barriers discovered at each location. > > ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only > one physical > ?barrier present.?While the largest and > most frequent problem > was > ?related to parking, the types > ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in > the following > ?chart. > > ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > accessible parking > ?but no signs posted?Parking:? > locations that had no parking > ?designated or noncompliant access > ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that > existed between access aisles > and > ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as > door width, door > ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > ramps, handrails, > ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election Officials > > ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > notified municipal > ?clerks of locations where barriers were > discovered.?Within a > ?four-month period, over 440 > ?letters were sent to election officials.? > By the end of 2010, > 88% > ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > plan of > correction. > ?In addition, MPAS > ?provided technical assistance to the election > officials on how > to > ?improve access to their polling location in > order to come into > ?compliance.젨잹ased on > ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > us they were > ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected > the barriers at > ?the polling locations; 9% > ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; > and the remaining > ?responses varied from clerk using temporary > equipment. > > ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > completed, MPAS > ?required documentation from each clerk proving > or stating that > ?the work had been completed, > ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase > orders.?A > ?majority of the clerks responded either with a > plan of > correction > ?for spring 2011 or with a > ?statement that the work was completed.? > MPAS is still waiting > for > ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done > sufficiently. > Once > ?the removal of barriers > ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS > expects Michigan? > ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to > nearly 90 % ?-- > ?one of the highest in the nation. > ?There remains, however, substantial work to be > completed in the > ?city of Detroit in order to reach this > goal.?The remaining 12% > ?of clerks, who did not respond > ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > correction, > will > ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > accessibility. > > ?NEXT STEPS > > ?While the focus of this report has been on > reaching the 90% > ?accessibility rate, there would still be > approximately 10% of > ?polling locations in Michigan > ?that are not accessible to all voters.? > Some clerks disagree > with > ?the findings and MPAS is working with those > clerks. > > ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > polling locations > ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > breaking them > into > ?three categories: failure > ?to communicate; work promised but documentation > still needed; > and > ?locations requiring review by MPAS. > > ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials > who have failed > ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? > This may involve > ?revisiting the location (some > ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail > to respond), > ?attending city council/township meetings, filing > official HAVA > ?complaints, and/or pursuing > ?legal action under different funding > sources.?MPAS?goal has > ?always been to educate clerks and assist them > with improving > ?access first by proposing solutions > ?to removing barriers. > > ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > monitoring the > ?correction plans that election officials have > submitted to > ensure > ?that barriers are removed. > ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > locations that have > ?not been visited yet. > > ?In Summary > > ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > between MPAS and > the > ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > crucial.?The state > ?reinforced the necessity of > ?accessible elections.?They followed up > with each municipality > ?whose polling place was noted as being > inaccessible in order to > ?determine the jurisdiction's > ?planned course of action.?In addition, the > BOE coordinated and > ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement > grant well into > the > ?fall to assist municipalities > ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > ?Local election officials can either upgrade > their polling places > ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the > polling place to > ?an accessible site.?The > ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > project, they > ?have seen a large increase in the number of > municipalities > ?applying for grant money.?In > ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > extended the > ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > additional > ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? > ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > funds.?The > ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > applications, the > ?largest amount ever received > ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant > applications, 66 > ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > plan of > ?correction - 89% of those who applied. > ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to > apply when the > ?next grant period opens in early 2011. > > ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > proposed > budget > ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > partnership with the > ?Secretary of State, ensuring > ?all elections are accessible to all > voters.?Additionally, MPAS > ?encourages clerks to reach out to local > disability groups for > ?future trainings.?Listed > ?below are additional recommendations moving > forward. > > ?Summary/Recommendations: > > ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be > required to notify the Bureau of > ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > ???젨잸ccessibility checks > should be completed when clerks > ?change polling locations, to verify > accessibility.?Reports > (with > ?photographs) should be submitted > ?to the Bureau of Elections. > > ???젨쟍ew polling locations > must be required to adhere to the > ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > Guidelines. > > ???젨쟕he advisory committee > in charge of amending the State > ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > ways to hold > ?clerks accountable and implement > ?model oversight programs. > > ???젨잸ccess for All grant > money should be available > throughout > ?the year, so accessibility problems can be > addressed anytime > they > ?arise. > > ???젨쟕he Bureau of > Elections and local clerks should continue > ?working with disability advocacy organizations > to complete > ?year-round polling place accessibility > ?audits and training to clerks. > > ?Accessibility Rate by County > > ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > ?County > > ?Polling Locations > > ?Visited > > ?Accessible > > ?Barriers Discovered > > ?Percent Visited > > ?% Accessible of those Visited > > ?Now Complete > > ?% Now Accessible > > ?Alcona > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?8 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?3 > > ?92% > > ?Alger > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?5 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?50% > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?Allegan > > ?37 > > ?37 > > ?35 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?95% > > ?1 > > ?97% > > ?Alpena > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?53% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Antrim > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?9 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?60% > > ?2 > > ?73% > > ?Arenac > > ?14 > > ?14 > > ?10 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?71% > > ?3 > > ?93% > > ?Baraga > > ?8 > > ?6 > > ?1 > > ?5 > > ?75% > > ?17% > > ?1 > > ?33% > > ?Barry > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?18 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?1 > > ?83% > > ?Bay > > ?49 > > ?48 > > ?36 > > ?12 > > ?98% > > ?75% > > ?1 > > ?77% > > ?Benzie > > ?13 > > ?13 > > ?6 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?46% > > ?4 > > ?77% > > ?Berrien > > ?57 > > ?57 > > ?43 > > ?14 > > ?100% > > ?75% > > ?8 > > ?89% > > ?Branch > > ?18 > > ?17 > > ?9 > > ?8 > > ?94% > > ?53% > > ?6 > > ?88% > > ?Calhoun > > ?46 > > ?43 > > ?34 > > ?9 > > ?93% > > ?79% > > ?3 > > ?86% > > ?Cass > > ?19 > > ?19 > > ?12 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?6 > > ?95% > > ?Charlevoix > > ?18 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?89% > > ?63% > > ?1 > > ?69% > > ?Cheboygan > > ?20 > > ?20 > > ?14 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?Chippewa > > ?19 > > ?18 > > ?13 > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?72% > > ?4 > > ?94% > > ?Clare > > ?19 > > ?16 > > ?13 > > ?3 > > ?84% > > ?81% > > ?2 > > ?94% > > ?Clinton > > ?28 > > ?26 > > ?24 > > ?2 > > ?93% > > ?92% > > ?1 > > ?96% > > ?Crawford > > ?7 > > ?7 > > ?6 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?86% > > ?0 > > ?86% > > ?Delta > > ?21 > > ?20 > > ?11 > > ?9 > > ?95% > > ?55% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Dickinson > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?6 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?40% > > ?5 > > ?73% > > ?Eaton > > ?36 > > ?36 > > ?28 > > ?8 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?2 > > ?83% > > ?Emmet > > ?19 > > ?19 > > ?12 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?5 > > ?89% > > ?Genesee > > ?119 > > ?109 > > ?84 > > ?25 > > ?92% > > ?77% > > ?2 > > ?79% > > ?Gladwin > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?11 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?65% > > ?1 > > ?71% > > ?Gogebic > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?7 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?90% > > ?Grand Traverse > > ?28 > > ?27 > > ?27 > > ?0 > > ?96% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Gratiot > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?16 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?78% > > ?Hillsdale > > ?21 > > ?21 > > ?12 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?57% > > ?3 > > ?71% > > ?Houghton > > ?31 > > ?22 > > ?9 > > ?13 > > ?71% > > ?41% > > ?5 > > ?64% > > ?Huron > > ?30 > > ?29 > > ?18 > > ?11 > > ?97% > > ?62% > > ?5 > > ?79% > > ?Ingham > > ?95 > > ?81 > > ?78 > > ?3 > > ?85% > > ?96% > > ?0 > > ?96% > > ?Ionia > > ?22 > > ?22 > > ?17 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?77% > > ?1 > > ?82% > > ?Iosco > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?14 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?93% > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?Iron > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?6 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?50% > > ?2 > > ?67% > > ?Isabella > > ?25 > > ?25 > > ?19 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?76% > > ?1 > > ?80% > > ?Jackson > > ?47 > > ?45 > > ?34 > > ?11 > > ?96% > > ?76% > > ?2 > > ?80% > > ?Kalamazoo > > ?97 > > ?97 > > ?79 > > ?18 > > ?100% > > ?81% > > ?7 > > ?89% > > ?Kalkaska > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?8 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?1 > > ?75% > > ?Kent > > ?209 > > ?207 > > ?174 > > ?33 > > ?99% > > ?84% > > ?11 > > ?89% > > ?Keweenaw > > ?5 > > ?4 > > ?4 > > ?0 > > ?80% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Lake > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?53% > > ?2 > > ?67% > > ?Lapeer > > ?24 > > ?24 > > ?20 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?83% > > ?2 > > ?92% > > ?Leelanau > > ?13 > > ?13 > > ?8 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?62% > > ?1 > > ?69% > > ?Lenawee > > ?30 > > ?30 > > ?23 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?77% > > ?4 > > ?90% > > ?Livingston > > ?48 > > ?45 > > ?35 > > ?10 > > ?94% > > ?78% > > ?0 > > ?78% > > ?Luce > > ?4 > > ?4 > > ?3 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?75% > > ?0 > > ?75% > > ?Mackinac > > ?13 > > ?10 > > ?5 > > ?5 > > ?77% > > ?50% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Macomb > > ?235 > > ?233 > > ?188 > > ?45 > > ?99% > > ?81% > > ?17 > > ?88% > > ?Manistee > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?11 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?73% > > ?3 > > ?93% > > ?Marquette > > ?29 > > ?29 > > ?16 > > ?13 > > ?100% > > ?55% > > ?1 > > ?59% > > ?Mason > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?100% > > ?65% > > ?3 > > ?78% > > ?Mecosta > > ?22 > > ?22 > > ?18 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?82% > > ?1 > > ?86% > > ?Menominee > > ?16 > > ?14 > > ?8 > > ?6 > > ?88% > > ?57% > > ?0 > > ?57% > > ?Midland > > ?38 > > ?29 > > ?22 > > ?7 > > ?76% > > ?76% > > ?4 > > ?90% > > ?Missaukee > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?14 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?82% > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?Monroe > > ?42 > > ?36 > > ?27 > > ?9 > > ?86% > > ?75% > > ?5 > > ?89% > > ?Montcalm > > ?26 > > ?25 > > ?21 > > ?4 > > ?96% > > ?84% > > ?2 > > ?92% > > ?Montmorency > > ?9 > > ?9 > > ?7 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?1 > > ?89% > > ?Muskegon > > ?72 > > ?71 > > ?68 > > ?3 > > ?99% > > ?96% > > ?2 > > ?99% > > ?Newaygo > > ?28 > > ?28 > > ?22 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?79% > > ?3 > > ?89% > > ?Oakland > > ?410 > > ?380 > > ?292 > > ?88 > > ?93% > > ?77% > > ?46 > > ?89% > > ?Oceana > > ?18 > > ?18 > > ?12 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?0 > > ?67% > > ?Ogemaw > > ?16 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?5 > > ?94% > > ?Ontonagon > > ?14 > > ?10 > > ?3 > > ?7 > > ?71% > > ?30% > > ?0 > > ?30% > > ?Osceola > > ?18 > > ?18 > > ?14 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?2 > > ?89% > > ?Oscoda > > ?6 > > ?6 > > ?4 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?1 > > ?83% > > ?Otsego > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?7 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?90% > > ?Ottawa > > ?88 > > ?88 > > ?79 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?90% > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?Presque Isle > > ?16 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?3 > > ?81% > > ?Roscommon > > ?11 > > ?11 > > ?11 > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Saginaw > > ?75 > > ?75 > > ?61 > > ?14 > > ?100% > > ?81% > > ?8 > > ?92% > > ?Sanilac > > ?30 > > ?30 > > ?26 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?87% > > ?3 > > ?97% > > ?Schoolcraft > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?60% > > ?2 > > ?80% > > ?Shiawassee > > ?27 > > ?27 > > ?17 > > ?10 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?3 > > ?74% > > ?St.?Clair > > ?52 > > ?48 > > ?44 > > ?4 > > ?92% > > ?92% > > ?3 > > ?98% > > ?St.?Joseph > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?12 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?71% > > ?2 > > ?82% > > ?Tuscola > > ?25 > > ?24 > > ?16 > > ?8 > > ?96% > > ?67% > > ?2 > > ?75% > > ?Van Buren > > ?23 > > ?22 > > ?19 > > ?3 > > ?96% > > ?86% > > ?1 > > ?91% > > ?Washtenaw > > ?106 > > ?100 > > ?70 > > ?30 > > ?94% > > ?70% > > ?0 > > ?70% > > ?Wayne > > ?568 > > ?519 > > ?325 > > ?194 > > ?91% > > ?63% > > ?28 > > ?68% > > ?Wexford > > ?20 > > ?20 > > ?14 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?1 > > ?75% > > ?Total > > ?3635 > > ?3457 > > ?2579 > > ?878 > > ?95.10% > > ?74.60% > > ?289 > > ?83% > > ?table end > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > From: Katie Wang To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > Message-ID: > ???? > > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web > Braille.  Instead, when you > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > on your Braille > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > to save the > file and what you would like to name it.  NLS saves > each braille volume > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > this multiple > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > than one volume. > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > it a great > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > more in the past > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > larger, more > current collection. > ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > on your end-- It > might be a NLS database issue.  I would suggest > contacting your state > NLS library again and see if they can get you > some?sort of technical > support contact info.  Someone from the central > program > that > administers the Web Braille service might need to look > into your > situation. > ?Hope this helps! > 젨쟇atie > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams wrote: > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > in it says my user > name and password is wrong.  I have called and > gotten it changed three > times and it still says it.  wonder what I am > doing wrong. > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > users! I recently > registered for WebBraille, and am looking > forward to all it has > to offer.?But I do have this question: > when I click on a link > for a book, where can I find a link, button, > or something where I > can download the BRF file(s) onto my > BrailleNote? I tried to > download Walking Alone and Marching Together > last night, and when > I clicked on the link, it put me into the > actual book to read > online, but I wanted to download the book to > read it in my > BrailleNote's book reader at a later > date.?How can I do this? > Thanks! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say > "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to > contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole > 1988%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykati > e6%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > ???? Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;?? > 젨쟠harset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers > generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you update > it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > family.  I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > ???? > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you > update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family.  I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > ????reply-type=original > > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > to discuss something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if?I had several > people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it.  I have a beep ball team and that > was one of the things I > wanted to blog about.  But yes if more people want > to > post online, I'd like > the idea of a forum.  A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you > update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family.  I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > From: Elizabeth To: Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > Convention > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello All, > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > the help they have > provided me over the past week.  However, I thought > I > would also send out a > general message to thank anyone I may have missed > along the way.  My > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > go, but it was exactly > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > such a public email > list. > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this > list was before > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > already said what > happened, or at least their version of the story. > However, I have already > shared my version of the story about a million times > by now, so if you are > curious as to what happened, you will just have to > wait for another time. > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine.  > I > just wanted to show > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > the way. > > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > ???? > > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Yes. > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > people to discuss > something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if?I had several > people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it.  I have a beep ball team and > that was one of the things > I > wanted to blog about.  But yes if more people want > to post online, I'd > like > the idea of a forum.  A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > they are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still > have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > more than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that > are more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do > you update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your > story? Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips > need to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same > site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a > word limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family.  I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: Amy Sabo To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" > , > ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, > COLORADO ASSOCIATION" Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > ????< > > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville. > ca.mail.comcast.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well.  i'm having > problems with the latest > version of aim.  i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that.  > is > there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila > Content-Type: text/plain;?? > 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > (AIM) was about 2 years > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > the way, it was the > FS > cast).  Maybe they have updated the software and now > it > is inaccessible with > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > using? Which > operating system? Which version of aim? > Cheers,?Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > Behalf > Of Amy Sabo > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > STUDENTS, COLORADO > ASSOCIATION > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well.  i'm having > problems with the latest > version of aim.  i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that.  > is > there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > t.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > From: David Andrews To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > > Eye Pal for sale.  $1299 > I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > Thanks, > > Brian > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbha > tia%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 01:53:02 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:53:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem Message-ID: <4e1cfa91.127fe50a.214e.1936@mx.google.com> FYI, there's a number that goes directly to tech support for FS so you don't have to call the 1-800 number. Here's the direct tech support line: 727-803-8600. You can also reach them by email at support at freedomscientific.com. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com><06A157C9704B402F9A58645FFD4BA067@OwnerPC> <20110713012922.GF75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <8ECF4244C12848EB8A436E832AA34111@HumbertoAvila> And, are these negative attitudes towards are economy and our rights, to get accommodations, to get all the books that we request either in Braille or electronically, to get all our material on time, to get access to technology like the other students, and to get our access to our education, going to threaten the blind community? I understand the economy is suffering. I can understand that though the government is trying its best to help people in action, it is not and it is cutting federal funding as well as programs, and many businesses are in a budget now days. While these facts are true, what does this mean? Are federal and local governments also putting a budget cut within the disability support offices in colleges? Does this mean it will be much difficult to even request services from them? if this is truly happening, what should we do? As I embark into my freshman year in college, I am quite startled at these negative thinkings, or otherwise challenges, that we the blind would have to go through. I want to be able to contribute to taxes some day, get a stable good-paying career job, and do all that stuff, yet I'm not letting this stupid economy hold me back! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities Be prepared to document EVERYTHING. Get it in writing, save every email you receive or send out. Come up with an indexing system now, because you'll need it later. Don't expect that just because you're facing discrimination that the NFB will come to your rescue with legal help-I had email where the professors actively said they were looking for a student teaching site that would ensure I failed, and yet I had no support. You may never get anything for your efforts, and your efforts may be long indeed. But you can pave the way for others, if you're determined to do it. I was, and I did. It ended my career before it began though. Others have benefited from my work, including one of our scholarship winners this year. Joseph On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:20:51PM -0400, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: > > >Get ready for retaliatory acts by your school. Here in NYC at educational institutions such as CUNY, they are good at that. Your grades and reputation will suffer. I am unable to get into graduate school or get a job since I have been blasted on websites and blogs for my advocacy efferts. My GPA went from a 3.9 to a final 2.6. So much for trying to ""lives the American dream." while helping others. I dealt with this when the economy was good; just, picture what you are against now that every corporation blames the economy and current-day politics. This happens regardless of the special funding that they receive superseding the current economical situation. >Sorry for the rant, >Joe > > > > >> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:17:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities >> >> Anjelina, >> There are some similar issues at Nova, northern Virginia community college; >> I started a writing certificate there and ran into access issues. While the >> site for grades, transcripts, etc wasn't inaccessible, I'd say it wasn't >> very screen reader friendly. >> >> I complained about inaccessible stuff on the website like unlabeled >> graphics. I also requested an update to jaws in the library. >> I haven't seen much change; not to mention several violations of ADA to the >> environment for those with physical disabilities; all doors should be wide >> enough for wheel chairs and they need more push buttons for doors. >> >> Yes its reasonable to request jaws. Its about the same access; all other >> students have the access to computers on campus and you should have access >> to at least some of them. Your tuition covers technology access. >> >> I'd make a written complaint if I were you and go up the chain of command. >> Mention in your complaint about how schools need to comply with section 508 >> regulations. I assume your school receives federal support and if they do, >> they are bound by civil rights laws like ADA and section 508 of the rehab >> act. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anjelina >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities >> ofuniversities >> >> Hi all, >> I hope all who attended convention had a great time. The stream was very >> informative. >> My University has gradually migrated to a system called Banner self service. >> All students are required to use the system for scheduling, financial aid, >> updating information among other functions. The site is not fully >> accessible. Even with Safari and Voiceover, JAWS with Firefox and IE9 I'm >> unable to activate buttons or links. I've contacted the ds office and the >> tech office. This might be a silly question but I'm wondering how much time >> is reasonable to give to see significant change? >> AAs a blind student is it unreasonable to request JAWS in the library, or am >> I responsible for providing a key? I've always just taken my laptop with me >> when having to do group work which is a work around. >> Thanks for your input. >> >> Anjelina >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 02:10:49 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:10:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense Message-ID: <4e1cfeba.4145340a.1663.6c06@mx.google.com> Hi all, I agree with you, Josh! I think you covered all the pertinent information. Just a thought, I don't know if this would be a big deal to you, but the Braille Sense allows you to have a bunch of documents open at the same time, like a computer, but the Apex only allows for a maximum of two at the same time. Also, I don't know what the PacMate and the Sense are based on, but the Apex (even the newest BN model) is based on a pretty old version of Windows CE. I'm afraid I can't be of much help because I don't have experience with all three, but maybe some of the other techies on this list can add to what Josh and I said. Hope this helps! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Gregory In that case, then, the Apex would run on a newer CE version, namely Windows 6.0. And that's an old version... wow, FS! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Gregory And send that complaint to the NFB. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com><06A157C9704B402F9A58645FFD4BA067@OwnerPC> <20110713012922.GF75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Joseph, Thanks for your honest advice and experience. It's not fair that you had your career derailed, but as you said your efforts have benefited future students. Where is the line drawn between what is reasonable accommodations and discrimination? Although the self-service Banner site is not completely inaccessible, many of the elements such as links are not properly labeled. I had to have sighted assistance to accept financial aid awards. I am not opposed to using the JAWS cursor and trying to navigate the site but the design could be better. Do I have a plausible claim? How much time should I give the university to make changes? Thank you all for your input. -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities Be prepared to document EVERYTHING. Get it in writing, save every email you receive or send out. Come up with an indexing system now, because you’ll need it later. Don’t expect that just because you’re facing discrimination that the NFB will come to your rescue with legal help—I had email where the professors actively said they were looking for a student teaching site that would ensure I failed, and yet I had no support. You may never get anything for your efforts, and your efforts may be long indeed. But you can pave the way for others, if you’re determined to do it. I was, and I did. It ended my career before it began though. Others have benefited from my work, including one of our scholarship winners this year. Joseph On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:20:51PM -0400, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: > > >Get ready for retaliatory acts by your school. Here in NYC at educational >institutions such as CUNY, they are good at that. Your grades and >reputation will suffer. I am unable to get into graduate school or get a >job since I have been blasted on websites and blogs for my advocacy >efferts. My GPA went from a 3.9 to a final 2.6. So much for trying to “”lives >the American dream." while helping others. I dealt with this when the >economy was good; just, picture what you are against now that every >corporation blames the economy and current-day politics. This happens >regardless of the special funding that they receive superseding the current >economical situation. >Sorry for the rant, >Joe > > > > >> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:17:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities >> ofuniversities >> >> Anjelina, >> There are some similar issues at Nova, northern Virginia community >> college; >> I started a writing certificate there and ran into access issues. While >> the >> site for grades, transcripts, etc wasn't inaccessible, I'd say it wasn't >> very screen reader friendly. >> >> I complained about inaccessible stuff on the website like unlabeled >> graphics. I also requested an update to jaws in the library. >> I haven't seen much change; not to mention several violations of ADA to >> the >> environment for those with physical disabilities; all doors should be >> wide >> enough for wheel chairs and they need more push buttons for doors. >> >> Yes its reasonable to request jaws. Its about the same access; all other >> students have the access to computers on campus and you should have >> access >> to at least some of them. Your tuition covers technology access. >> >> I'd make a written complaint if I were you and go up the chain of >> command. >> Mention in your complaint about how schools need to comply with section >> 508 >> regulations. I assume your school receives federal support and if they >> do, >> they are bound by civil rights laws like ADA and section 508 of the rehab >> act. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anjelina >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities >> ofuniversities >> >> Hi all, >> I hope all who attended convention had a great time. The stream was very >> informative. >> My University has gradually migrated to a system called Banner self >> service. >> All students are required to use the system for scheduling, financial >> aid, >> updating information among other functions. The site is not fully >> accessible. Even with Safari and Voiceover, JAWS with Firefox and IE9 I'm >> unable to activate buttons or links. I've contacted the ds office and the >> tech office. This might be a silly question but I'm wondering how much >> time >> is reasonable to give to see significant change? >> AAs a blind student is it unreasonable to request JAWS in the library, or >> am >> I responsible for providing a key? I've always just taken my laptop with >> me >> when having to do group work which is a work around. >> Thanks for your input. >> >> Anjelina >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 02:43:27 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:43:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Board Message-ID: <4e1d0661.4766e50a.6946.2a9d@mx.google.com> Thank you so much, Mary! By the way, what did Jordan mean when he signed his email "NABS President?" You said Sean Whalen was, and I didn't even know Jordan was running. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Fernandez wrote: Hello list, For the bennefit of those of us unable to make it to convention this year, who makes up the nabs board for the 2011/12 term? Thank you, Jordan mnabs president Sent from my iPod _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian5 51%40gmail.com -- Mary Fernandez President: Georgia Association of Blind Students Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much rather you weren't doing it." Terry Pratchett _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 03:26:09 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem In-Reply-To: <4e1cfa91.127fe50a.214e.1936@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1778970439.409877.1310527569110.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> thanks for the information but, i already know this number for freedom scientific. as a matter of fact i have used many times for both my desktop and my laptop. but, thanks anyway... hugs, amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:53:02 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem FYI, there's a number that goes directly to tech support for FS so you don't have to call the 1-800 number. Here's the direct tech support line: 727-803-8600. You can also reach them by email at support at freedomscientific.com. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Good evening to all, It would appear as though I am a bit late to the party on this one, but thanks to Mary Fernandez for passing along the names of the newly elected board members. To Reiterate, the NABS Board for the next year will consist of: President - Sean Whalen (Virginia) Vice President - Karen Anderson (Nebraska) 2nd Vice President - Darian Smith (California) Treasurer - Shelby Ball (Georgia) Secretary - Cindy Bennett (North Carolina/Minnesota) Board Member - Candice Chapman (Mississippi) Board Member - Meghan Whalen (Wisconsin) Board Member - Briley Pollard (Virginia) Board Member - Domonique Lawless (Louisiana) I very much look forward to working closely with not only the Board and our state presidents, but also any and all blind students who wish to contribute to the work of NABS and the NFB. I am excited and optimistic about the coming year, and hope you are, too. There is a ton of work to be done, and I know that there are lots of great ideas floating around out there - both on and off the board. I ask all of you to consider getting involved and helping out on projects or committees that interest you. I am more than open to suggestions, thoughts, ideas and criticisms, so please do be in touch with me or a member of the Board. You can reach me via email at nabs.president at gmail.com or via call or text at (608) 332-4147. I know there are a lot of talented and motivated folks out there, including some of you who ran for positions last week. I hope you will lend us your abilities and help NABS build a brighter future for all blind students, while strengthening the National Federation of the Blind. I can't stress enough how important the help of everybody will be in accomplishing our goals. Stay tuned for future posts with more details about opportunities to help out, and don't be too surprised if you get a call, text or tweet from one of us encouraging you to get involved. We are in the process of setting up our first board meeting, where committees and projects to prioritize will take shape and be clarified, so details about what kind of work there is to be done will be made available shortly. Finally, I would like to thank the members of the prior board, with whom I have had the pleasure of working for the past two years. In particular I would like to thank Arielle Silverman for her leadership, hard work and friendship over many years. Arielle is a strong leader who is willing to hear differing points of view and weigh all sides of an issue before making a decision - something I have always appreciated. Arielle, NABS is a stronger organization now than it was six years ago due in no small part to your efforts over those six years and your steady leadership over the last two. We were all lucky to have you, and be assured that I will look to you for your thoughts and opinions over my term as President. Ok then. That is about all for now. Keep an eye on the list - and on www.nabslink.org - to see what NABS is up to and where you might get involved! Take care, Sean From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 08:03:30 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:03:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities of universities In-Reply-To: References: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com> <06A157C9704B402F9A58645FFD4BA067@OwnerPC> <20110713012922.GF75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <20110713080329.GG75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> Sometimes the line is hard to see. Usually it’s pretty easy to tell when it has been crossed by leaps and bounds. Trust your gut, but document everything all the same. That’s just a good habit to get into, and it will be appreciated by your boss in the workplace as part of normal everyday operation. Well-kept records are good for honest business. Joseph On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:36:02PM -0400, Anjelina wrote: >Joseph, >Thanks for your honest advice and experience. It's not fair that you >had your career derailed, but as you said your efforts have benefited >future students. Where is the line drawn between what is reasonable >accommodations and discrimination? >Although the self-service Banner site is not completely inaccessible, >many of the elements such as links are not properly labeled. I had to >have sighted assistance to accept financial aid awards. I am not >opposed to using the JAWS cursor and trying to navigate the site but >the design could be better. Do I have a plausible claim? How much >time should I give the university to make changes? >Thank you all for your input. >-----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter >Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:29 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities >ofuniversities > >Be prepared to document EVERYTHING. Get it in writing, save every >email you receive or send out. Come up with an indexing system now, >because you’ll need it later. Don’t expect that just because you’re >facing discrimination that the NFB will come to your rescue with >legal help—I had email where the professors actively said they were >looking for a student teaching site that would ensure I failed, and >yet I had no support. > >You may never get anything for your efforts, and your efforts may be >long indeed. But you can pave the way for others, if you’re >determined to do it. I was, and I did. It ended my career before it >began though. Others have benefited from my work, including one of >our scholarship winners this year. > >Joseph > > >On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:20:51PM -0400, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: >> >> >>Get ready for retaliatory acts by your school. Here in NYC at >>educational institutions such as CUNY, they are good at that. Your >>grades and reputation will suffer. I am unable to get into >>graduate school or get a job since I have been blasted on websites >>and blogs for my advocacy efferts. My GPA went from a 3.9 to a >>final 2.6. So much for trying to “”lives the American dream." >>while helping others. I dealt with this when the economy was good; >>just, picture what you are against now that every corporation >>blames the economy and current-day politics. This happens >>regardless of the special funding that they receive superseding the >>current economical situation. >>Sorry for the rant, >>Joe >> >> >> >> >>>From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:17:00 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and >>>responsibilities ofuniversities >>> >>>Anjelina, >>>There are some similar issues at Nova, northern Virginia >>>community college; >>>I started a writing certificate there and ran into access issues. >>>While the >>>site for grades, transcripts, etc wasn't inaccessible, I'd say it wasn't >>>very screen reader friendly. >>> >>>I complained about inaccessible stuff on the website like unlabeled >>>graphics. I also requested an update to jaws in the library. >>>I haven't seen much change; not to mention several violations of >>>ADA to the >>>environment for those with physical disabilities; all doors >>>should be wide >>>enough for wheel chairs and they need more push buttons for doors. >>> >>>Yes its reasonable to request jaws. Its about the same access; all other >>>students have the access to computers on campus and you should >>>have access >>>to at least some of them. Your tuition covers technology access. >>> >>>I'd make a written complaint if I were you and go up the chain of >>>command. >>>Mention in your complaint about how schools need to comply with >>>section 508 >>>regulations. I assume your school receives federal support and if >>>they do, >>>they are bound by civil rights laws like ADA and section 508 of the rehab >>>act. >>> >>>Ashley >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Anjelina >>>Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:36 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities >>>ofuniversities >>> >>>Hi all, >>>I hope all who attended convention had a great time. The stream was very >>>informative. >>>My University has gradually migrated to a system called Banner >>>self service. >>>All students are required to use the system for scheduling, >>>financial aid, >>>updating information among other functions. The site is not fully >>>accessible. Even with Safari and Voiceover, JAWS with Firefox and IE9 I'm >>>unable to activate buttons or links. I've contacted the ds office and the >>>tech office. This might be a silly question but I'm wondering how >>>much time >>>is reasonable to give to see significant change? >>>AAs a blind student is it unreasonable to request JAWS in the >>>library, or am >>>I responsible for providing a key? I've always just taken my >>>laptop with me >>>when having to do group work which is a work around. >>>Thanks for your input. >>> >>>Anjelina >>>Sent from my iPhone >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > >Anjelina > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:05:07 2011 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:05:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cleaning the pacmate Braille display Message-ID: <2F6F7DC7-0DE5-4455-8565-93C580534AEA@gmail.com> Does anyone know how to clean the pacmate Braille display? Also thank you for the comparison info. I am still not sure what to do though lol! Amanda From daviddod at buffalo.edu Wed Jul 13 15:14:27 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:14:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cleaning the pacmate Braille display In-Reply-To: <2F6F7DC7-0DE5-4455-8565-93C580534AEA@gmail.com> References: <2F6F7DC7-0DE5-4455-8565-93C580534AEA@gmail.com> Message-ID: I found this information online but am not sure if it useful to you: Cleaning the Display The cleaning mode allows you to clean your braille display of debris. To enter cleaning mode, turn on your PAC Mate, simultaneously hold down the two routing buttons on the right end of the display and connect the USB cable to the PAC Mate. Then release both buttons. When you do this, all pins of each cell should display. Use a soft lint-free cloth dampened with 90% isopropyl alcohol or pre-moistened wipes used for cleaning electronic devices and gently wipe the pins. No other cleaning agent should be used. Disconnect the cable to recess the pins and gently wipe the display again. It may be necessary to repeat this procedure 5 or 6 times to clean your display properly. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Amanda wrote: > Does anyone know how to clean the pacmate Braille display? Also thank you > for the comparison info. I am still not sure what to do though lol! > > Amanda > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:36:54 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:36:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Board Message-ID: <4e1dbba9.5012e60a.68ca.4ae1@mx.google.com> Hi=20Darian, Thank=20you=20for=20the=20kind=20words!=20Well,=20as=20second=20vice=20pres= ident,=20you=20 don't=20have=20to=20say=20goodbye=20to=20us,=20you're=20one=20of=20our=20le= aders!=20:) =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Darian=20Smith=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20all, =20I=20would=20just=20like=20to=20take=20a=20moment=20to=20congratulate=20t= he=20newly=20 elected =20NABS=20board.=20=20I=20would=20also=20like=20to=20thank=20all=20those=20= who=20helped=20to=20 make =20our=20student=20division=20seminar=20and=20business=20meeting=20a=20succ= ess:=20all=20 the =20members=20of=20the=20former=20NABS=20board=20for=20their=20help=20with=20= registration, =20election=20management,=20and=20door=20prizes,=20and=20all=20those=20volu= nteers=20 who =20assisted=20with=20marshalling=20and=20vote=20counting.=20=20Your=20assis= tance=20 was =20invaluable=20in=20allowing=20me=20to=20focus=20on=20chairing=20the=20sem= inar=20and =20election=20process=20without=20having=20to=20redirect=20my=20attention=20= to=20 these =20details.=20=20While=20the=20elections=20took=20a=20long=20time=20with=20= many=20 candidates =20running=20and=20several=20counted=20contests,=20I=20believe=20they=20wer= e=20 conducted=20in =20a=20fair=20and=20organized=20fashion,=20and=20I=20can=20attribute=20this= =20to=20the =20competence=20of=20all=20those=20who=20worked=20together=20to=20count=20v= otes.=20=20If=20 you =20have=20feedback=20about=20the=20elections=20process=20or=20how=20it=20ca= n=20be=20 improved=20in =20the=20future,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20direct=20this=20feedb= ack=20to=20our=20 new =20president,=20Sean=20Whalen,=20or=20to=20others=20on=20the=20new=20board.= =20Finally,=20I=20want=20to=20acknowledge=20those=20of=20you=20who=20ran=20= for=20 positions=20on =20the=20NABS=20board=20and=20were=20not=20elected.=20=20There=20were=20qui= te=20a=20few=20of=20 you, =20and=20without=20naming=20names,=20I=20will=20say=20that=20I=20know=20man= y=20of=20you =20personally=20and=20believe=20you=20have=20a=20lot=20to=20offer=20the=20s= tudent=20 division=20in =20terms=20of=20ideas=20and=20service.=20=20I=20sincerely=20hope=20that=20a= ll=20of=20you=20 who=20ran =20for=20the=20NABS=20board=20will=20lend=20us=20your=20service=20on=20NABS= =20committees,=20 offer =20to=20organize=20new=20NABS=20committees=20or=20activities,=20and=20conti= nue=20to=20 serve =20as=20leaders=20in=20your=20state=20student=20divisions. =20I=20wish=20the=20best=20of=20luck=20to=20the=20next=20NABS=20board.=20=20= As=20past=20 president,=20I =20will=20not=20meddle=20in=20the=20affairs=20of=20the=20new=20board,=20but= =20I=20am=20always =20available=20to=20offer=20advice=20or=20assistance=20if=20you=20ask=20for= =20it. =20Best, =20Arielle=20Silverman =20On=207/12/11,=20Darian=20Smith=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20all, =20=20Typically,The=20=20Honor=20and=20=20Privilage=20of=20making=20the=20a= nnouncement=20 of=20the =20new=20board=20goes=20to=20the=20=20President=20of=20that=20new=20board.= =20=20I=20was=20going=20 to =20make=20such=20announcement,=20but=20seeing=20as=20=20I=20am=20not=20the= =20president,=20 and=20the =20last=20time=20I=20had=20=20spoken=20to=20the=20president,=20he=20had=20i= ndecated=20that=20 he =20wished=20to=20do=20so,=20I=20had=20left=20it=20at=20that. =20=20=20I=20understand=20=20though,=20that=20=20this=20information=20has=20= made=20the=20 rounds. =20This=20is=20not=20a=20secret=20by=20any=20stretch,=20and=20I=20know=20th= at=20everyone=20is=20 just =20settling=20back=20into=20the=20post-convention=20=20swing=20of=20things.= =20=20=20 Basically, =20I=20just=20wanted=20to=20maintain=20that=20informal=20custom=20that=20Pr= esidents=20 seem=20to =20have. =20=20=20BEst, =20=20=20Darian =20On=207/12/11,=20Rania=20Ismail=20CMT=20=20wrote= : =20Thanks=20for=20updateing=20everyone.=20=20I=20was=20wondering=20who=20wo= ne=20as=20 well. =20Rania, =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org=20 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On =20Behalf =20Of=20Mary=20Fernandez =20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20July=2012,=202011=2010:44=20AM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20New=20Board =20Hey=20Jordan, =20The=20NABS=20board=20is=20as=20follows: =20President:=20Sean=20whalen =201st=20Vice:=20Karen=20Anderson =202nd=20Vice:=20Darian=20Smith =20Secretary:=20Cindy=20Bennett =20Treasurer:=20Shelby=20Ball =20Board=20Members:=20Candice=20Chaptman,=20Brieley=20Pollard,=20Megan=20Wh= alen=20 and =20Dominique=20Lawless. =20I=20apologize=20if=20I=20misspelled=20anyone's=20name! =20Mary =20On=207/11/11,=20Jordan=20Richardson=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20list, =20For=20the=20bennefit=20of=20those=20of=20us=20unable=20to=20make=20it=20= to=20convention=20 this =20year, =20who=20makes=20up=20the=20nabs=20board=20for=20the=202011/12=20term? =20Thank=20you, =20Jordan =20mnabs=20president =20Sent=20from=20my=20iPod =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian5 51%40gmail. =20com =20-- =20Mary=20Fernandez =20President:=20Georgia=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students =20Emory=20University=202012 =20P.O.=20=20Box=20123056 =20Atlanta=20Ga. =2030322 =20Phone:=20732-857-7004 =20"It's=20not=20worth=20doing=20something=20unless=20someone,=20somewhere,= =20would=20 much =20rather=20you=20weren't=20doing=20it." =20Terry=20Pratchett 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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:36:57 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:36:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: <4e1dbbaf.5012e60a.68ca.4ae2@mx.google.com> Sorry,=20Humberto.=20=20I=20meant=20Anmol.=20=20Sorry=20about=20that! =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Humberto=20Avila"=20=20wr= ote: =20From:=20Rachael=20Vacanti=20, =20NFBMD=20list=20, =20NFB ????history=20list=20, ????"OF=20BLIND=20STUDENTS, =20COLORADO=20ASSOCIATION"=20 Message-ID: I use the tape deck cleaner from www.kingdom.com it is about $10 for 6 ounces. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 467 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 13 17:27:31 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:27:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Mobile Accessibility 1.4, Free Update Now Available! Message-ID: >From: "Code Factory News (no reply)" >To: >Subject: Mobile Accessibility 1.4, Free Update Now Available! >Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:13:28 +0200 > > >Logo Code Factory > > >Caroline Ragot - Marketing >marketing at codefactory.es > >Mobile Accessibility 1.4 > > >Mobile Accessibility 1.4, Free Update Now Available! > > > > > >Global Web Browser functionality and support for Android Text-To-Speech API > > > > > >Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, July 13th, 2011 > > > >Code Factory has just released a minor update of Mobile >Accessibility, V1.4, which is now available through the Android >Market at >https://market.android.com/developer?pub=Code+Factory > > >As announced last week at the NFB convention in Orlando, users of >Mobile Accessibility can now set Mobile Accessibility's web browser >as the global web browser. This feature is meant to be used when you >are outside of the suite of 10 accessible applications and you wish >to navigate the standard Android user interface using Mobile >Accessibility's screen reader component. It means that when you open >links from other apps like Email, SMS, Twitter or News reader >clients, Mobile Accessibility's web browser will appear in the list >of available web browsers which can complete the action. You can >then choose it or even set it as the default web browser. This way >you can enjoy the powerful browsing experience of Mobile >Accessibility inside and outside the suite. > >Also as per user request, Mobile Accessibility now supports the >Android Text-To-Speech API. Therefore any of the voices installed on >your phone, included the voices which come pre-installed, can be >used with Mobile Accessibility. > >V1.4 is a free update for all users of Mobile Accessibility. To >upgrade, go to the Market application of your Android phone, select >My apps, scroll down the list, select Mobile Accessibility, click on >the Update button and then on the OK button, which is located at the >exact same place. Finally click on the OK button of the "Replace >application" window and wait for the update process to be completed. > >If you are a new user, go to the Market application of your Android >phone, type "Mobile Accessibility" with quotation marks in the >search box, and select the version of Mobile Accessibility >corresponding to the language of your choice. Note that from today >Mobile Accessibility is available in Italian too. Also remember that >you can get a Mobile Accessibility Demo for any of the supported >languages from the Android Market and try the product for free for >30 days (please note that you can only try Mobile Accessibility once >so if you already downloaded the Mobile Accessibility Demo in any >language you will not be able to try the product again). > >To consult the user guide or quick start guide of Mobile >Accessibility visit >http://www.codefactory.es/en/manuals.asp?id=89#family_ma. >For technical assistance, please submit a ticket through our >HelpDesk at >http://www.codefactory.cat/helpdesk/. > >To learn more about Mobile Accessibility, visit the product >information page at >http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=415. >You can also subscribe to the Mobile Accessibility mailing list at >http://www.codefactory.es/en/list.asp?id=88. > > >About Code Factory > > > >Founded in 1998 and headquartered in Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, >Code Factory is the global leader committed to the development of >products designed to eliminate barriers to the accessibility of >mobile technology for the blind and visually impaired. Today, Code >Factory is the leading provider of accessible mobile applications >such as screen readers, screen magnifiers, and Braille interfaces. >Code Factory's products are compatible with the widest range of >mainstream mobile devices running on Symbian, Windows Mobile, >BlackBerry Smartphones, and Android. Among Code Factory's customers >are well known organizations for the blind such as ONCE in Spain, >and carriers such as AT&T, Bouygues Telecom, SFR, TIM and Vodafone. > >Follow Code Factory on Twitter at >http://twitter.com/codefactory > > >For more information, feel free to contact Code Factory S.L.: > > >Code Factory, S.L., Rambla d'Egara 148 2-2, 08221 Terrassa (Barcelona) >HelpDesk, www.codefactory.es >Code Factory, S.L. - 2011 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 18:13:39 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:13:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cleaning the pacmate Braille display Message-ID: <4e1de065.4e46340a.7bde.4e43@mx.google.com> Could this procedure work for the Apex? Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dodge wrote: Does anyone know how to clean the pacmate Braille display? Also thank you for the comparison info. I am still not sure what to do though lol! Amanda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod% 40buffalo.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Wed Jul 13 19:28:57 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:28:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cleaning the pacmate Braille display In-Reply-To: <4e1de065.4e46340a.7bde.4e43@mx.google.com> References: <4e1de065.4e46340a.7bde.4e43@mx.google.com> Message-ID: As to that I am not sure. Does anyone else know? David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Could this procedure work for the Apex? > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the > ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more > and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Dodge To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:14:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cleaning the pacmate Braille display > > I found this information online but am not sure if it useful to you: > > Cleaning the Display > > The cleaning mode allows you to clean your braille display of debris. To > enter cleaning mode, turn on your PAC Mate, simultaneously hold down the > two > routing buttons on the right end of the display and connect the USB cable > to > the PAC Mate. Then release both buttons. When you do this, all pins of > each > cell should display. > > Use a soft lint-free cloth dampened with 90% isopropyl alcohol or > pre-moistened wipes used for cleaning electronic devices and gently wipe > the > pins. No other cleaning agent should be used. Disconnect the cable to > recess > the pins and gently wipe the display again. It may be necessary to repeat > this procedure 5 or 6 times to clean your display properly. > David > ------------------------------**---- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Amanda wrote: > > Does anyone know how to clean the pacmate Braille display? Also thank you > for the comparison info. I am still not sure what to do though lol! > > Amanda > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**daviddod% > 40buffalo.edu > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From gcazares10 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 21:05:36 2011 From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabriel Cazares) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:05:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Southern Strums 2011! Message-ID: Dear TABSters and Federationists, On behalf of the 2011 TABS board, I would like to express our gratitude for the support many of you showed at Southern Strums 2011. Your assistance and contributions made this one of the most successful events we have ever had. If you weren't able to join us, or you would like to relive some of the good times, I am happy to report that we do have CDs available featuring the best Southern Strums performances. You can order your copy for the low cost of $5.00 by sending an Email including your name, mailing address, and a telephone number to Juan Munoz at jcmunoz1989 at gmail.com or by replying to me. At the time we receive your request, we will reply with billing information. We are excited national will be returning to Texas in 2012, and get ready because we will be celebrating 10 years of Southern Strums next year!!! Thanks for your support, and we look forward to working with all of you on various projects for our beloved NFB. Best, ...Gabe -- Gabriel M. Cazares, 2nd Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest willing to let them." -Robert Frost From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 21:45:10 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:45:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <4e1cf55d.a44ee50a.3767.17ce@mx.google.com> References: <4e1cf55d.a44ee50a.3767.17ce@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8BF75D2AD1384FA3B0D80F895B4508B5@OwnerPC> Chris, Yes 2012 is in Dallas; but 2013 is Florida again. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Humberto, I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from Dr. Maurer at this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would be in Orlando, making it six years. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Anmol Bhatia wrote: From: Rachael Vacanti , NFBMD list , NFB ????history list , ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, COLORADO ASSOCIATION" References: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com><06A157C9704B402F9A58645FFD4BA067@OwnerPC><20110713012922.GF75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> <8ECF4244C12848EB8A436E832AA34111@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <05A283FA18F042F0AA1BE0733BC27729@OwnerPC> Humberto, You'll be alright and by the time you graduate I bet the economy will have improved. No we can't feel threatened or intimidated for asserting our rights. As for budgets, they can find the money to provide the minimum of services, the basics like access to textbooks and computers with screen readers. No they may not fix everything, but they can provide the basics. When more money comes in, hopefully blind students will get more services. As I said in other posts, colleges have money for entertainment and sports stuff, lots of it. So they can make a few thousand for assistive technology/books if they want to make it a priority. Those plasma tvs costs thousands that were just bought for nova's student lounges. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:55 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilitiesofuniversities And, are these negative attitudes towards are economy and our rights, to get accommodations, to get all the books that we request either in Braille or electronically, to get all our material on time, to get access to technology like the other students, and to get our access to our education, going to threaten the blind community? I understand the economy is suffering. I can understand that though the government is trying its best to help people in action, it is not and it is cutting federal funding as well as programs, and many businesses are in a budget now days. While these facts are true, what does this mean? Are federal and local governments also putting a budget cut within the disability support offices in colleges? Does this mean it will be much difficult to even request services from them? if this is truly happening, what should we do? As I embark into my freshman year in college, I am quite startled at these negative thinkings, or otherwise challenges, that we the blind would have to go through. I want to be able to contribute to taxes some day, get a stable good-paying career job, and do all that stuff, yet I'm not letting this stupid economy hold me back! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities Be prepared to document EVERYTHING. Get it in writing, save every email you receive or send out. Come up with an indexing system now, because you'll need it later. Don't expect that just because you're facing discrimination that the NFB will come to your rescue with legal help-I had email where the professors actively said they were looking for a student teaching site that would ensure I failed, and yet I had no support. You may never get anything for your efforts, and your efforts may be long indeed. But you can pave the way for others, if you're determined to do it. I was, and I did. It ended my career before it began though. Others have benefited from my work, including one of our scholarship winners this year. Joseph On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:20:51PM -0400, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: > > >Get ready for retaliatory acts by your school. Here in NYC at educational institutions such as CUNY, they are good at that. Your grades and reputation will suffer. I am unable to get into graduate school or get a job since I have been blasted on websites and blogs for my advocacy efferts. My GPA went from a 3.9 to a final 2.6. So much for trying to ""lives the American dream." while helping others. I dealt with this when the economy was good; just, picture what you are against now that every corporation blames the economy and current-day politics. This happens regardless of the special funding that they receive superseding the current economical situation. >Sorry for the rant, >Joe > > > > >> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:17:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities ofuniversities >> >> Anjelina, >> There are some similar issues at Nova, northern Virginia community college; >> I started a writing certificate there and ran into access issues. While the >> site for grades, transcripts, etc wasn't inaccessible, I'd say it wasn't >> very screen reader friendly. >> >> I complained about inaccessible stuff on the website like unlabeled >> graphics. I also requested an update to jaws in the library. >> I haven't seen much change; not to mention several violations of ADA to the >> environment for those with physical disabilities; all doors should be wide >> enough for wheel chairs and they need more push buttons for doors. >> >> Yes its reasonable to request jaws. Its about the same access; all other >> students have the access to computers on campus and you should have access >> to at least some of them. Your tuition covers technology access. >> >> I'd make a written complaint if I were you and go up the chain of command. >> Mention in your complaint about how schools need to comply with section 508 >> regulations. I assume your school receives federal support and if they do, >> they are bound by civil rights laws like ADA and section 508 of the rehab >> act. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anjelina >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities >> ofuniversities >> >> Hi all, >> I hope all who attended convention had a great time. The stream was very >> informative. >> My University has gradually migrated to a system called Banner self service. >> All students are required to use the system for scheduling, financial aid, >> updating information among other functions. The site is not fully >> accessible. Even with Safari and Voiceover, JAWS with Firefox and IE9 I'm >> unable to activate buttons or links. I've contacted the ds office and the >> tech office. This might be a silly question but I'm wondering how much time >> is reasonable to give to see significant change? >> AAs a blind student is it unreasonable to request JAWS in the library, or am >> I responsible for providing a key? I've always just taken my laptop with me >> when having to do group work which is a work around. >> Thanks for your input. >> >> Anjelina >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 21:58:39 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <1310521858.78401.YahooMailClassic@web162012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1310521858.78401.YahooMailClassic@web162012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FBB92C9A65E4C46A90F64DF50F67EEE@OwnerPC> Anmol, Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That hasn't happened before. Do you know if its in the same hotel? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Anmol Bhatia Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be held in Orlando. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > From: Humberto Avila > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM > I didn't send that message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > Humberto, > > I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from > Dr. Maurer at > this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would > be in > Orlando, making it six years. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth > in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? > Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anmol Bhatia To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six > > years. > > > > --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti > wrote: > > From: Rachael Vacanti Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > I agree with Chris and Sherri.? > I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't > leave until the next > Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun > right??Wrong.?I didn't get out > of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the > beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? > Because there were too many > things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome > and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > more.?I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > "required".?General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > announce the state > cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > once and I don't think > he even told me where it was.?The states should get > them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where > it > is.?I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > they did a very good > job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > ????http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > 젨?. Re: question about brail to word > program? (Chris Nusbaum) > 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day in mi > ???(Josh Gregory) > 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille > (Katie Wang) > 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National > Convention (Elizabeth) > 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum To: NABS list , > NFBMD list , > NFB > ????history list Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > 5 years > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > ?---- Original Message ------ > From: "Sherri" Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > It was announced at the convention that conventions > from 2013 > through 2017 > will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend > the length of > the convention > back to how it was and NFB would > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That > way, people could > get excited > about Orlando and have time to go places.?I > liked the old > schedule much > better.?If we are going to keep people here for > five years in a > row, we need > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > all there is > to do in > Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night > before the last > day of > convention. > > > Sherri Brun > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other > plans." John > Lennon > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > ?NFBF Newsline? chair > www.nfbnewsline.org > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > http://nfbfgoc.org > Secretary FDCP INC > www.fdcp.org > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for blindtlk: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > ????list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > of the > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > the BN and > ask questions when they're having technical > problems.?Here's the > link: > www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote.? > In > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > to the BN > list and forward you any responses off list.? > Hope this helps! > > ?Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > format > documents into word > documents.?If you want to do so, you will have > to use your > Braille note to > do it because there is no program that will translate > and convert > Keyword > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > (.doc) > documents, unless > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > and then use > a program > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > will need > Duxbury > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > license if you > don't > already have it--you can although try it for free but > some > functions will be > disabled) > I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to > send another > message off list > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > is good > practice for > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > assistive > technology. > Cheers,?Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > Of Andi > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > ask.?I use to > use my brail > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > wondering if > there is a > > program to change the files from the brail document to > a word > document? > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > simpaler to > use the > better, but I still want it to do a good job.? > thank you so much > for your > help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > First Portable > Camera > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > Reading > System > to Support Touchscreen > for People with Low Vision > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > Inc.?( > www.gwmicro.com) > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.com) > are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The > Readit Wand is a > portable > camera that > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read > documents > for > the visually impaired. > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and > more with > ease > using the Readit > Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will > be read in a > clear, > human-sounding > voice.?The ability to read all of these items > makes Readit Wand > the > perfect tool > for the classroom, at home, or at work. > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects > via USB. > The > 5-megapixel camera > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for > recognition > in as > little as two > seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand > allows for > automatic > multi-language > switching when other languages are installed.? > The portability > and > multiple language > support make it the ideal tool for students who are > learning a > foreign language. > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > that > allows > you to save, load, > import, and export documents, including PDFs.? > Importing PDF > files > into the Readit > software enables users to read PDF files that > originally are > inaccessible because > they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also > allows you to > save > documents as > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > document as an > MP3 > file to listen > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > access > toolbar > designed specifically > for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the > ability to adjust > the > size of the > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > all the basic > controls enabling > low vision users to capture their document, change the > view to > their > preference and > more at the click of a button. > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > different > types > of highlights, > as well as six different ways to display text, > allowing low > vision > users to customize > the software to their personal preference. > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > Wand is the > first > portable camera > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > users the > ability > to interact > with the software by simply using their fingers!? > This means no > more > tracking the > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > user and > the > Readit software, > creating the best possible user experience. > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > Readit Wand > in > the U.S., developed > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > in the > UK.?Readit Wand will > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > www.gwmicro.com, > email > sales at gwmicro.com > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > GW Micro, Inc.?( > www.gwmicro.com) > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > industry > since 1990, > and > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.com), > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > effective > and > simple to use > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > that make > reading a pleasure > once again. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. > dempsey%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > t.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > ????list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day > ????in mi > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Hi, > OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each > other's > competetors/enemies/whatever.?So, at the moment > anyway, I doubt > it. > Best, > Josh > > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > day in mi > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > ensure > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > Help > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > jointly > with ACB on this.?What does > everyone think? > ?Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > day in mi > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > ?Thoughts on this? > > ?Chris > > ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities > motto) > > ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > can!" How? Click > ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: > ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > at I C.A.N. > ?Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?---- Original Message ------ > ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > this day in mi > ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > ?A Call to Action ? > > ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > with Disabilities > ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > ?A Public Report on > ?Polling Place > > ?Accessibility in Michigan > > ?Public Report by > > ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > ?2011 > > ?Acknowledgements > > ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > is Michigan? > ?designated agency to advocate and protect the > legal rights of > ?persons with disabilities, mandated > ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives > funding from the > ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > the center for > ?Mental Health Services ?Substance > ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > the > ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > Social Security > ?Administration, the State of Michigan > ?and from private donations. > > ?Funding for this report has been made possible > through the U.S. > ?Department of Health and Human Services, > Administration for > ?Children and Families, and the > ?Administration on Developmental > Disabilities.?The contents are > ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not > necessarily > ?represent the official views > ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human > Services. > > ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, Inc.?This > ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its > entirety for > ?noncommercial purposes as long > ?as appropriate credit is given. > > ?Table of Contents > > ?Executive > > > > Summary.......................................................... > ? > ...................................................5 > > ?Midterm > > > > Report........................................................... > ? > > .........................................................6 > > ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > > > Project.......................................................... > ?.........7 > > ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election > ? > Officials......................................10 > > ?Next > > > > Steps............................................................ > ? > > ..............................................................11 > > ?In > > > > Summary.......................................................... > ? > > ..............................................................11 > > ?Accessibility Rate Per > > > > County........................................................... > ?................................13 > > ?Executive Summary > > ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > obstacles at voting > ?locations often because their polling place > lacks physical > ?accessibility.?The Help America > ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > obstacles faced by > voters > ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the > federally > ?mandated Protection and Advocacy > ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > barriers. > ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > targeted for > ?elimination in the President? proposed > ?2012 budget. > > ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, (MPAS), > ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > with helping to ensure > ?the full participation of > ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral > process, > including > ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > accessing polling > ?places. > > ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > that every > ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > to their > polling > ?location and has the opportunity > ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS > staff members are on > ?the ground providing advice, technical > assistance, and training > ?to election officials about > ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of > disabilities.?The > ?agency also provides outreach and training to > voters with > ?disabilities, poll workers, and > ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary > of State of Michigan > ?partnered over the past six years working toward > this goal, > which > ?has been effective in > ?increasing physical access to polling locations > throughout > ?Michigan. > > ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > United States > ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > subject to intense > ?public scrutiny each election > ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections > prohibit > ?discrimination against people with disabilities > in the electoral > ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional > ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge > for individuals > ?with disabilities despite changes made to > federal and state laws > ?intended to ensure full > ?participation. > > ?Key Summary > > ???젨잻isability advocates > have visited 95% (3,457) and > ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > Michigan. > > ???젨쟖pon initial review, > Michigan Protection and Advocacy > ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > polling places > were > ?compliant under the Americans > ?with Disabilities Act. > > ???젨잸fter working with > state and local officials, it is > ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > will be increased > ?to 90% in 2012. > > ???젨쟏f the locations that > were inaccessible, 60% had one > ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > had three or more > ?types of barriers. > > ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 > counties in Michigan were 100% > ?physically accessible upon initial visit. > > ???젨쟋PAS continues to > receive complaints regarding the > ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > device. > > ?Michigan has made great strides toward > accessibility at the > ?polls.?This report will highlight the > steps taken to ensure > that > ?all polling locations throughout > ?Michigan are accessible to voters with > disabilities.?In > ?addition, the report will offer recommendations > for Michigan to > ?achieve and maintain an accessibility > ?rate of 100%. > > ?2010 Mid Term Report > > ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > the country, > ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > in 2002.?HAVA > ?included sweeping legislation > ?intended to modernize the electoral system for > all voters, > ?including those with disabilities.?The > Help America Vote Act > ?reinforced the application of > ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > and Section 504 > ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in > 2004, Michigan > ?lawmakers amended Michigan election > ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > removal of physical > ?barriers at polling locations.? > Irrespective of both federal and > ?state law, 25% of Michigan's > ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible > for the November > ?2010 general election.?To achieve an > all-encompassing voting > ?standard for the fifty states, > ?HAVA included two key components for the > disability community: > > ???젨잸ll polling places > must have at least one voting system > ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > privately and > ?independently, whether or not one > ?has a disability. > > ???젨쟔tates must ensure > accessibility at all public polling > ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans > with > Disabilities > ?Act (ADA). > > ?Accessible Voting System > > ?In 2004, the disability community and the > Michigan Secretary of > ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > assessing which > ?accessible device would best > ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > selected the > ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible > ballot marking device > ?that can be used by all voters > ?with or without disabilities. > > ?Although every polling location is equipped with > the AutoMARK, > ?each municipality is responsible for making sure > it is set up > and > ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, > ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > AutoMARK.?Voter > ?complaints have included the following:? > the AutoMARK was boxed > ?up on Election Day, unplugged, > ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > could see the > ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning > jammed ballots have been > ?greatly reduced since the > ?last round of updates were completed.? > Because the AutoMARK is > ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > feedback to > ?correct these kinds of problems. > ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > complaints as they > ?arise. > > ?Accessible Polling Places > > ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > money to assist > with > ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the > AutoMARK, but also > ?to help municipalities > ?make their polling places physically > accessible.?Congress > ?recognized that in order for people to use the > accessible voting > ?machines, the building must > ?also be accessible so voters can access the > polling location and > ?voting equipment.?It is the local election > officials? > ?responsibility to make sure all > ?polling locations are accessible on Election > Day.?To help cover > ?the expense for removing barriers at polling > locations, the > ?Michigan BOE administers a > ?grant program called Access for All, under the > U.S.?Department > ?of Health and Human Services with funding > allocated through > HAVA, > ?to help the state comply > ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the > Access for All grants > ?cover all costs associated with accessibility > upgrades for > ?polling locations. > > ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement > provisions under HAVA > was > ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > required to complete an > ?accessibility checklist > ?to determine whether or not their locations were > accessible. > ?This was one of the state? first attempts to > gather information > ?on Michigan? polling place > ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and > other organizations > ?were working closely with individual election > officials on > ?polling location reviews and > ?were also training the municipal clerks on the > accessibility > ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a > considerable amount of time > ?assisting clerks with assessing > ?the accessibility of their polling locations and > helping them > ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS > found that the > ?accessibility data provided by > ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > reliable. > > ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > (BOE) attention > and > ?shared independent accessibility reviews with > them.?The BOE has > ?since increased efforts > ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > communication > ?and requiring additional documentation from the > clerks. > > ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > polling locations > ?randomly, without notifying the election > official in advance. > ?After compiling this data on > ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > of > ?inaccessibility became a heightened > concern.?Once these > concerns > ?were communicated to the Bureau of > ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > dramatically > ?increasing their involvement in the advancement > of polling place > ?accessibility. > > ?This same year, the federal government began > reviewing how the > ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This > fueled speculation that > ?the federal government would > ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > some states had > ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an > account and > ?allowing the funds to gain > ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would > pull the allocated > funds > ?completely, which would prevent municipalities > from accessing > ?money to make polling places > ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > of Elections, > ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% > accessibility at all > ?Michigan polling places. > > ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > of a statewide > ?plan to reach 100% polling place > accessibility.?MPAS and the > ?Bureau of Elections strengthened > ?their partnership in order to achieve this > goal.?Within this > ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > locations throughout > ?the state.?Michigan has > ?approximately 3,600 polling places in > total.?MPAS had already > ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior > to 2010, > ?therefore, did not revisit those > ?locations (some were initially accessible and > others MPAS worked > ?closely with clerks to improve > accessibility.?MPAS is still > ?working with clerks to bring > ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > into compliance). > ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > polling locations in > ?2010. > > ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > least 95% of the > ?polling places in Michigan. > > ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > nearly 25% of the > ?polling places that remained physically > inaccessible as required > ?by the Americans with > ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > 2,927 were assessed > ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG > as a benchmark to > ?determine physical accessibility, > ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > locations visited, > ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the > ADAAG ? > barriers > ?that create potential > ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on > Election Day. > > ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > from fully > ?participating in all aspects of society because > of their > ?disability.?This might include > architectural > ?barriers, physical barriers, communication > barriers, attitudinal > ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? > Throughout this project, > MPAS? > ?reviews focused primarily > ?on physical and external barriers, which are > defined as > something > ?material that blocks passage.?Physical > barriers addressed in > ?this report include objects > ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > doorways, > ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > inaccessible door > ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > 2010, 28% did not > ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on > discussions with the BOE > ?in 2008, when MPAS completed > ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > notified with a > ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > they were also > ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. > ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > municipalities > ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The > letters contained a > ?photograph of the problem area(s), > ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? > Within a five month > ?period, letters were sent to over 440 > municipalities concerning > ?approximately 800 polling > ?locations. > > ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places > visited in 2010 had > ?some type of physical barrier present at the > time of review. > > ?The following chart highlights the most common > number of > physical > ?barriers discovered at each location. > > ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only > one physical > ?barrier present.?While the largest and > most frequent problem > was > ?related to parking, the types > ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in > the following > ?chart. > > ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > accessible parking > ?but no signs posted?Parking:? > locations that had no parking > ?designated or noncompliant access > ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that > existed between access aisles > and > ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as > door width, door > ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > ramps, handrails, > ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election Officials > > ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > notified municipal > ?clerks of locations where barriers were > discovered.?Within a > ?four-month period, over 440 > ?letters were sent to election officials.? > By the end of 2010, > 88% > ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > plan of > correction. > ?In addition, MPAS > ?provided technical assistance to the election > officials on how > to > ?improve access to their polling location in > order to come into > ?compliance.젨잹ased on > ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > us they were > ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected > the barriers at > ?the polling locations; 9% > ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; > and the remaining > ?responses varied from clerk using temporary > equipment. > > ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > completed, MPAS > ?required documentation from each clerk proving > or stating that > ?the work had been completed, > ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase > orders.?A > ?majority of the clerks responded either with a > plan of > correction > ?for spring 2011 or with a > ?statement that the work was completed.? > MPAS is still waiting > for > ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done > sufficiently. > Once > ?the removal of barriers > ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS > expects Michigan? > ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to > nearly 90 % ?-- > ?one of the highest in the nation. > ?There remains, however, substantial work to be > completed in the > ?city of Detroit in order to reach this > goal.?The remaining 12% > ?of clerks, who did not respond > ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > correction, > will > ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > accessibility. > > ?NEXT STEPS > > ?While the focus of this report has been on > reaching the 90% > ?accessibility rate, there would still be > approximately 10% of > ?polling locations in Michigan > ?that are not accessible to all voters.? > Some clerks disagree > with > ?the findings and MPAS is working with those > clerks. > > ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > polling locations > ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > breaking them > into > ?three categories: failure > ?to communicate; work promised but documentation > still needed; > and > ?locations requiring review by MPAS. > > ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials > who have failed > ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? > This may involve > ?revisiting the location (some > ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail > to respond), > ?attending city council/township meetings, filing > official HAVA > ?complaints, and/or pursuing > ?legal action under different funding > sources.?MPAS?goal has > ?always been to educate clerks and assist them > with improving > ?access first by proposing solutions > ?to removing barriers. > > ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > monitoring the > ?correction plans that election officials have > submitted to > ensure > ?that barriers are removed. > ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > locations that have > ?not been visited yet. > > ?In Summary > > ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > between MPAS and > the > ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > crucial.?The state > ?reinforced the necessity of > ?accessible elections.?They followed up > with each municipality > ?whose polling place was noted as being > inaccessible in order to > ?determine the jurisdiction's > ?planned course of action.?In addition, the > BOE coordinated and > ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement > grant well into > the > ?fall to assist municipalities > ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > ?Local election officials can either upgrade > their polling places > ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the > polling place to > ?an accessible site.?The > ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > project, they > ?have seen a large increase in the number of > municipalities > ?applying for grant money.?In > ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > extended the > ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > additional > ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? > ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > funds.?The > ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > applications, the > ?largest amount ever received > ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant > applications, 66 > ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > plan of > ?correction - 89% of those who applied. > ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to > apply when the > ?next grant period opens in early 2011. > > ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > proposed > budget > ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > partnership with the > ?Secretary of State, ensuring > ?all elections are accessible to all > voters.?Additionally, MPAS > ?encourages clerks to reach out to local > disability groups for > ?future trainings.?Listed > ?below are additional recommendations moving > forward. > > ?Summary/Recommendations: > > ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be > required to notify the Bureau of > ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > ???젨잸ccessibility checks > should be completed when clerks > ?change polling locations, to verify > accessibility.?Reports > (with > ?photographs) should be submitted > ?to the Bureau of Elections. > > ???젨쟍ew polling locations > must be required to adhere to the > ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > Guidelines. > > ???젨쟕he advisory committee > in charge of amending the State > ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > ways to hold > ?clerks accountable and implement > ?model oversight programs. > > ???젨잸ccess for All grant > money should be available > throughout > ?the year, so accessibility problems can be > addressed anytime > they > ?arise. > > ???젨쟕he Bureau of > Elections and local clerks should continue > ?working with disability advocacy organizations > to complete > ?year-round polling place accessibility > ?audits and training to clerks. > > ?Accessibility Rate by County > > ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > ?County > > ?Polling Locations > > ?Visited > > ?Accessible > > ?Barriers Discovered > > ?Percent Visited > > ?% Accessible of those Visited > > ?Now Complete > > ?% Now Accessible > > ?Alcona > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?8 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?3 > > ?92% > > ?Alger > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?5 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?50% > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?Allegan > > ?37 > > ?37 > > ?35 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?95% > > ?1 > > ?97% > > ?Alpena > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?53% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Antrim > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?9 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?60% > > ?2 > > ?73% > > ?Arenac > > ?14 > > ?14 > > ?10 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?71% > > ?3 > > ?93% > > ?Baraga > > ?8 > > ?6 > > ?1 > > ?5 > > ?75% > > ?17% > > ?1 > > ?33% > > ?Barry > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?18 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?1 > > ?83% > > ?Bay > > ?49 > > ?48 > > ?36 > > ?12 > > ?98% > > ?75% > > ?1 > > ?77% > > ?Benzie > > ?13 > > ?13 > > ?6 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?46% > > ?4 > > ?77% > > ?Berrien > > ?57 > > ?57 > > ?43 > > ?14 > > ?100% > > ?75% > > ?8 > > ?89% > > ?Branch > > ?18 > > ?17 > > ?9 > > ?8 > > ?94% > > ?53% > > ?6 > > ?88% > > ?Calhoun > > ?46 > > ?43 > > ?34 > > ?9 > > ?93% > > ?79% > > ?3 > > ?86% > > ?Cass > > ?19 > > ?19 > > ?12 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?6 > > ?95% > > ?Charlevoix > > ?18 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?89% > > ?63% > > ?1 > > ?69% > > ?Cheboygan > > ?20 > > ?20 > > ?14 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?Chippewa > > ?19 > > ?18 > > ?13 > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?72% > > ?4 > > ?94% > > ?Clare > > ?19 > > ?16 > > ?13 > > ?3 > > ?84% > > ?81% > > ?2 > > ?94% > > ?Clinton > > ?28 > > ?26 > > ?24 > > ?2 > > ?93% > > ?92% > > ?1 > > ?96% > > ?Crawford > > ?7 > > ?7 > > ?6 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?86% > > ?0 > > ?86% > > ?Delta > > ?21 > > ?20 > > ?11 > > ?9 > > ?95% > > ?55% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Dickinson > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?6 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?40% > > ?5 > > ?73% > > ?Eaton > > ?36 > > ?36 > > ?28 > > ?8 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?2 > > ?83% > > ?Emmet > > ?19 > > ?19 > > ?12 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?5 > > ?89% > > ?Genesee > > ?119 > > ?109 > > ?84 > > ?25 > > ?92% > > ?77% > > ?2 > > ?79% > > ?Gladwin > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?11 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?65% > > ?1 > > ?71% > > ?Gogebic > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?7 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?90% > > ?Grand Traverse > > ?28 > > ?27 > > ?27 > > ?0 > > ?96% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Gratiot > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?16 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?78% > > ?Hillsdale > > ?21 > > ?21 > > ?12 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?57% > > ?3 > > ?71% > > ?Houghton > > ?31 > > ?22 > > ?9 > > ?13 > > ?71% > > ?41% > > ?5 > > ?64% > > ?Huron > > ?30 > > ?29 > > ?18 > > ?11 > > ?97% > > ?62% > > ?5 > > ?79% > > ?Ingham > > ?95 > > ?81 > > ?78 > > ?3 > > ?85% > > ?96% > > ?0 > > ?96% > > ?Ionia > > ?22 > > ?22 > > ?17 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?77% > > ?1 > > ?82% > > ?Iosco > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?14 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?93% > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?Iron > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?6 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?50% > > ?2 > > ?67% > > ?Isabella > > ?25 > > ?25 > > ?19 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?76% > > ?1 > > ?80% > > ?Jackson > > ?47 > > ?45 > > ?34 > > ?11 > > ?96% > > ?76% > > ?2 > > ?80% > > ?Kalamazoo > > ?97 > > ?97 > > ?79 > > ?18 > > ?100% > > ?81% > > ?7 > > ?89% > > ?Kalkaska > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?8 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?1 > > ?75% > > ?Kent > > ?209 > > ?207 > > ?174 > > ?33 > > ?99% > > ?84% > > ?11 > > ?89% > > ?Keweenaw > > ?5 > > ?4 > > ?4 > > ?0 > > ?80% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Lake > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?53% > > ?2 > > ?67% > > ?Lapeer > > ?24 > > ?24 > > ?20 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?83% > > ?2 > > ?92% > > ?Leelanau > > ?13 > > ?13 > > ?8 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?62% > > ?1 > > ?69% > > ?Lenawee > > ?30 > > ?30 > > ?23 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?77% > > ?4 > > ?90% > > ?Livingston > > ?48 > > ?45 > > ?35 > > ?10 > > ?94% > > ?78% > > ?0 > > ?78% > > ?Luce > > ?4 > > ?4 > > ?3 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?75% > > ?0 > > ?75% > > ?Mackinac > > ?13 > > ?10 > > ?5 > > ?5 > > ?77% > > ?50% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Macomb > > ?235 > > ?233 > > ?188 > > ?45 > > ?99% > > ?81% > > ?17 > > ?88% > > ?Manistee > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?11 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?73% > > ?3 > > ?93% > > ?Marquette > > ?29 > > ?29 > > ?16 > > ?13 > > ?100% > > ?55% > > ?1 > > ?59% > > ?Mason > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?100% > > ?65% > > ?3 > > ?78% > > ?Mecosta > > ?22 > > ?22 > > ?18 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?82% > > ?1 > > ?86% > > ?Menominee > > ?16 > > ?14 > > ?8 > > ?6 > > ?88% > > ?57% > > ?0 > > ?57% > > ?Midland > > ?38 > > ?29 > > ?22 > > ?7 > > ?76% > > ?76% > > ?4 > > ?90% > > ?Missaukee > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?14 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?82% > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?Monroe > > ?42 > > ?36 > > ?27 > > ?9 > > ?86% > > ?75% > > ?5 > > ?89% > > ?Montcalm > > ?26 > > ?25 > > ?21 > > ?4 > > ?96% > > ?84% > > ?2 > > ?92% > > ?Montmorency > > ?9 > > ?9 > > ?7 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?1 > > ?89% > > ?Muskegon > > ?72 > > ?71 > > ?68 > > ?3 > > ?99% > > ?96% > > ?2 > > ?99% > > ?Newaygo > > ?28 > > ?28 > > ?22 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?79% > > ?3 > > ?89% > > ?Oakland > > ?410 > > ?380 > > ?292 > > ?88 > > ?93% > > ?77% > > ?46 > > ?89% > > ?Oceana > > ?18 > > ?18 > > ?12 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?0 > > ?67% > > ?Ogemaw > > ?16 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?5 > > ?94% > > ?Ontonagon > > ?14 > > ?10 > > ?3 > > ?7 > > ?71% > > ?30% > > ?0 > > ?30% > > ?Osceola > > ?18 > > ?18 > > ?14 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?2 > > ?89% > > ?Oscoda > > ?6 > > ?6 > > ?4 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?1 > > ?83% > > ?Otsego > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?7 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?90% > > ?Ottawa > > ?88 > > ?88 > > ?79 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?90% > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?Presque Isle > > ?16 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?3 > > ?81% > > ?Roscommon > > ?11 > > ?11 > > ?11 > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Saginaw > > ?75 > > ?75 > > ?61 > > ?14 > > ?100% > > ?81% > > ?8 > > ?92% > > ?Sanilac > > ?30 > > ?30 > > ?26 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?87% > > ?3 > > ?97% > > ?Schoolcraft > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?60% > > ?2 > > ?80% > > ?Shiawassee > > ?27 > > ?27 > > ?17 > > ?10 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?3 > > ?74% > > ?St.?Clair > > ?52 > > ?48 > > ?44 > > ?4 > > ?92% > > ?92% > > ?3 > > ?98% > > ?St.?Joseph > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?12 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?71% > > ?2 > > ?82% > > ?Tuscola > > ?25 > > ?24 > > ?16 > > ?8 > > ?96% > > ?67% > > ?2 > > ?75% > > ?Van Buren > > ?23 > > ?22 > > ?19 > > ?3 > > ?96% > > ?86% > > ?1 > > ?91% > > ?Washtenaw > > ?106 > > ?100 > > ?70 > > ?30 > > ?94% > > ?70% > > ?0 > > ?70% > > ?Wayne > > ?568 > > ?519 > > ?325 > > ?194 > > ?91% > > ?63% > > ?28 > > ?68% > > ?Wexford > > ?20 > > ?20 > > ?14 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?1 > > ?75% > > ?Total > > ?3635 > > ?3457 > > ?2579 > > ?878 > > ?95.10% > > ?74.60% > > ?289 > > ?83% > > ?table end > > > > 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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > Message-ID: > ???? > > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web > Braille. Instead, when you > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > on your Braille > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > to save the > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves > each braille volume > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > this multiple > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > than one volume. > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > it a great > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > more in the past > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > larger, more > current collection. > ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > on your end-- It > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest > contacting your state > NLS library again and see if they can get you > some?sort of technical > support contact info. Someone from the central > program > that > administers the Web Braille service might need to look > into your > situation. > ?Hope this helps! > 젨쟇atie > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams wrote: > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > in it says my user > name and password is wrong. I have called and > gotten it changed three > times and it still says it. wonder what I am > doing wrong. > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > users! I recently > registered for WebBraille, and am looking > forward to all it has > to offer.?But I do have this question: > when I click on a link > for a book, where can I find a link, button, > or something where I > can download the BRF file(s) onto my > BrailleNote? I tried to > download Walking Alone and Marching Together > last night, and when > I clicked on the link, it put me into the > actual book to read > online, but I wanted to download the book to > read it in my > BrailleNote's book reader at a later > date.?How can I do this? > Thanks! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say > "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to > contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole > 1988%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykati > e6%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > ???? Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;?? > 젨쟠harset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers > generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you update > it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > ???? > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you > update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > ????reply-type=original > > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > to discuss something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if?I had several > people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that > was one of the things I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to > post online, I'd like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you > update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > From: Elizabeth To: Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > Convention > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello All, > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > the help they have > provided me over the past week. However, I thought > I > would also send out a > general message to thank anyone I may have missed > along the way. My > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > go, but it was exactly > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > such a public email > list. > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this > list was before > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > already said what > happened, or at least their version of the story. > However, I have already > shared my version of the story about a million times > by now, so if you are > curious as to what happened, you will just have to > wait for another time. > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. > I > just wanted to show > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > the way. > > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > ???? > > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Yes. > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > people to discuss > something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if?I had several > people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and > that was one of the things > I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to post online, I'd > like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > they are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still > have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > more than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that > are more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do > you update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your > story? Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips > need to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same > site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a > word limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: Amy Sabo To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" > , > ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, > COLORADO ASSOCIATION" Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > ????< > > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville. > ca.mail.comcast.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. > is > there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila > Content-Type: text/plain;?? > 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > (AIM) was about 2 years > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > the way, it was the > FS > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now > it > is inaccessible with > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > using? Which > operating system? Which version of aim? > Cheers,?Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > Behalf > Of Amy Sabo > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > STUDENTS, COLORADO > ASSOCIATION > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. > is > there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > t.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > From: David Andrews To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > > Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > Thanks, > > Brian > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbha > tia%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 13 23:06:40 2011 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (Tina Thomas) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:06:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <4FBB92C9A65E4C46A90F64DF50F67EEE@OwnerPC> References: <1310521858.78401.YahooMailClassic@web162012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FBB92C9A65E4C46A90F64DF50F67EEE@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <026e01cc41b1$87614f20$9623ed60$@net> Yes, it will be in the same hotel. Tina -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Anmol, Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That hasn't happened before. Do you know if its in the same hotel? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Anmol Bhatia Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be held in Orlando. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > From: Humberto Avila > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM > I didn't send that message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > Humberto, > > I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from > Dr. Maurer at > this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would > be in > Orlando, making it six years. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth > in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? > Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anmol Bhatia To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six > > years. > > > > --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti > wrote: > > From: Rachael Vacanti Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > I agree with Chris and Sherri.? > I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't > leave until the next > Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun > right??Wrong.?I didn't get out > of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the > beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? > Because there were too many > things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome > and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > more.?I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > "required".?General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > announce the state > cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > once and I don't think > he even told me where it was.?The states should get > them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where > it > is.?I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > they did a very good > job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > ????http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > 젨?. Re: question about brail to word > program? (Chris Nusbaum) > 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day in mi > ???(Josh Gregory) > 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille > (Katie Wang) > 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National > Convention (Elizabeth) > 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum To: NABS list , > NFBMD list , > NFB > ????history list Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > 5 years > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > ?---- Original Message ------ > From: "Sherri" Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > It was announced at the convention that conventions > from 2013 > through 2017 > will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend > the length of > the convention > back to how it was and NFB would > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That > way, people could > get excited > about Orlando and have time to go places.?I > liked the old > schedule much > better.?If we are going to keep people here for > five years in a > row, we need > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > all there is > to do in > Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night > before the last > day of > convention. > > > Sherri Brun > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other > plans." John > Lennon > > Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > ?NFBF Newsline? chair > www.nfbnewsline.org > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > http://nfbfgoc.org > Secretary FDCP INC > www.fdcp.org > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for blindtlk: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > ????list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > of the > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > the BN and > ask questions when they're having technical > problems.?Here's the > link: > www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote.? > In > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > to the BN > list and forward you any responses off list.? > Hope this helps! > > ?Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > format > documents into word > documents.?If you want to do so, you will have > to use your > Braille note to > do it because there is no program that will translate > and convert > Keyword > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > (.doc) > documents, unless > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > and then use > a program > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > will need > Duxbury > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > license if you > don't > already have it--you can although try it for free but > some > functions will be > disabled) > I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to > send another > message off list > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > is good > practice for > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > assistive > technology. > Cheers,?Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > Of Andi > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > ask.?I use to > use my brail > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > wondering if > there is a > > program to change the files from the brail document to > a word > document? > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > simpaler to > use the > better, but I still want it to do a good job.? > thank you so much > for your > help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > First Portable > Camera > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > Reading > System > to Support Touchscreen > for People with Low Vision > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > Inc.?( > www.gwmicro.com) > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.com) > are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The > Readit Wand is a > portable > camera that > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read > documents > for > the visually impaired. > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and > more with > ease > using the Readit > Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will > be read in a > clear, > human-sounding > voice.?The ability to read all of these items > makes Readit Wand > the > perfect tool > for the classroom, at home, or at work. > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects > via USB. > The > 5-megapixel camera > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for > recognition > in as > little as two > seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand > allows for > automatic > multi-language > switching when other languages are installed.? > The portability > and > multiple language > support make it the ideal tool for students who are > learning a > foreign language. > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > that > allows > you to save, load, > import, and export documents, including PDFs.? > Importing PDF > files > into the Readit > software enables users to read PDF files that > originally are > inaccessible because > they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also > allows you to > save > documents as > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > document as an > MP3 > file to listen > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > access > toolbar > designed specifically > for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the > ability to adjust > the > size of the > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > all the basic > controls enabling > low vision users to capture their document, change the > view to > their > preference and > more at the click of a button. > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > different > types > of highlights, > as well as six different ways to display text, > allowing low > vision > users to customize > the software to their personal preference. > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > Wand is the > first > portable camera > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > users the > ability > to interact > with the software by simply using their fingers!? > This means no > more > tracking the > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > user and > the > Readit software, > creating the best possible user experience. > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > Readit Wand > in > the U.S., developed > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > in the > UK.?Readit Wand will > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > www.gwmicro.com, > email > sales at gwmicro.com > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > GW Micro, Inc.?( > www.gwmicro.com) > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > industry > since 1990, > and > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.com), > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > effective > and > simple to use > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > that make > reading a pleasure > once again. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. > dempsey%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > t.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > ????list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day > ????in mi > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Hi, > OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each > other's > competetors/enemies/whatever.?So, at the moment > anyway, I doubt > it. > Best, > Josh > > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > day in mi > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > ensure > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > Help > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > jointly > with ACB on this.?What does > everyone think? > ?Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > day in mi > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > ?Thoughts on this? > > ?Chris > > ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities > motto) > > ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > can!" How? Click > ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: > ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > at I C.A.N. > ?Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?---- Original Message ------ > ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > this day in mi > ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > ?A Call to Action ? > > ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > with Disabilities > ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > ?A Public Report on > ?Polling Place > > ?Accessibility in Michigan > > ?Public Report by > > ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > ?2011 > > ?Acknowledgements > > ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > is Michigan? > ?designated agency to advocate and protect the > legal rights of > ?persons with disabilities, mandated > ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives > funding from the > ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > the center for > ?Mental Health Services ?Substance > ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > the > ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > Social Security > ?Administration, the State of Michigan > ?and from private donations. > > ?Funding for this report has been made possible > through the U.S. > ?Department of Health and Human Services, > Administration for > ?Children and Families, and the > ?Administration on Developmental > Disabilities.?The contents are > ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not > necessarily > ?represent the official views > ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human > Services. > > ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, Inc.?This > ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its > entirety for > ?noncommercial purposes as long > ?as appropriate credit is given. > > ?Table of Contents > > ?Executive > > > > Summary.......................................................... > ? > ...................................................5 > > ?Midterm > > > > Report........................................................... > ? > > .........................................................6 > > ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > > > Project.......................................................... > ?.........7 > > ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election > ? > Officials......................................10 > > ?Next > > > > Steps............................................................ > ? > > ..............................................................11 > > ?In > > > > Summary.......................................................... > ? > > ..............................................................11 > > ?Accessibility Rate Per > > > > County........................................................... > ?................................13 > > ?Executive Summary > > ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > obstacles at voting > ?locations often because their polling place > lacks physical > ?accessibility.?The Help America > ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > obstacles faced by > voters > ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the > federally > ?mandated Protection and Advocacy > ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > barriers. > ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > targeted for > ?elimination in the President? proposed > ?2012 budget. > > ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, (MPAS), > ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > with helping to ensure > ?the full participation of > ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral > process, > including > ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > accessing polling > ?places. > > ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > that every > ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > to their > polling > ?location and has the opportunity > ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS > staff members are on > ?the ground providing advice, technical > assistance, and training > ?to election officials about > ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of > disabilities.?The > ?agency also provides outreach and training to > voters with > ?disabilities, poll workers, and > ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary > of State of Michigan > ?partnered over the past six years working toward > this goal, > which > ?has been effective in > ?increasing physical access to polling locations > throughout > ?Michigan. > > ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > United States > ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > subject to intense > ?public scrutiny each election > ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections > prohibit > ?discrimination against people with disabilities > in the electoral > ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional > ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge > for individuals > ?with disabilities despite changes made to > federal and state laws > ?intended to ensure full > ?participation. > > ?Key Summary > > ???젨잻isability advocates > have visited 95% (3,457) and > ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > Michigan. > > ???젨쟖pon initial review, > Michigan Protection and Advocacy > ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > polling places > were > ?compliant under the Americans > ?with Disabilities Act. > > ???젨잸fter working with > state and local officials, it is > ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > will be increased > ?to 90% in 2012. > > ???젨쟏f the locations that > were inaccessible, 60% had one > ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > had three or more > ?types of barriers. > > ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 > counties in Michigan were 100% > ?physically accessible upon initial visit. > > ???젨쟋PAS continues to > receive complaints regarding the > ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > device. > > ?Michigan has made great strides toward > accessibility at the > ?polls.?This report will highlight the > steps taken to ensure > that > ?all polling locations throughout > ?Michigan are accessible to voters with > disabilities.?In > ?addition, the report will offer recommendations > for Michigan to > ?achieve and maintain an accessibility > ?rate of 100%. > > ?2010 Mid Term Report > > ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > the country, > ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > in 2002.?HAVA > ?included sweeping legislation > ?intended to modernize the electoral system for > all voters, > ?including those with disabilities.?The > Help America Vote Act > ?reinforced the application of > ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > and Section 504 > ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in > 2004, Michigan > ?lawmakers amended Michigan election > ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > removal of physical > ?barriers at polling locations.? > Irrespective of both federal and > ?state law, 25% of Michigan's > ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible > for the November > ?2010 general election.?To achieve an > all-encompassing voting > ?standard for the fifty states, > ?HAVA included two key components for the > disability community: > > ???젨잸ll polling places > must have at least one voting system > ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > privately and > ?independently, whether or not one > ?has a disability. > > ???젨쟔tates must ensure > accessibility at all public polling > ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans > with > Disabilities > ?Act (ADA). > > ?Accessible Voting System > > ?In 2004, the disability community and the > Michigan Secretary of > ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > assessing which > ?accessible device would best > ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > selected the > ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible > ballot marking device > ?that can be used by all voters > ?with or without disabilities. > > ?Although every polling location is equipped with > the AutoMARK, > ?each municipality is responsible for making sure > it is set up > and > ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, > ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > AutoMARK.?Voter > ?complaints have included the following:? > the AutoMARK was boxed > ?up on Election Day, unplugged, > ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > could see the > ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning > jammed ballots have been > ?greatly reduced since the > ?last round of updates were completed.? > Because the AutoMARK is > ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > feedback to > ?correct these kinds of problems. > ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > complaints as they > ?arise. > > ?Accessible Polling Places > > ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > money to assist > with > ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the > AutoMARK, but also > ?to help municipalities > ?make their polling places physically > accessible.?Congress > ?recognized that in order for people to use the > accessible voting > ?machines, the building must > ?also be accessible so voters can access the > polling location and > ?voting equipment.?It is the local election > officials? > ?responsibility to make sure all > ?polling locations are accessible on Election > Day.?To help cover > ?the expense for removing barriers at polling > locations, the > ?Michigan BOE administers a > ?grant program called Access for All, under the > U.S.?Department > ?of Health and Human Services with funding > allocated through > HAVA, > ?to help the state comply > ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the > Access for All grants > ?cover all costs associated with accessibility > upgrades for > ?polling locations. > > ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement > provisions under HAVA > was > ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > required to complete an > ?accessibility checklist > ?to determine whether or not their locations were > accessible. > ?This was one of the state? first attempts to > gather information > ?on Michigan? polling place > ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and > other organizations > ?were working closely with individual election > officials on > ?polling location reviews and > ?were also training the municipal clerks on the > accessibility > ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a > considerable amount of time > ?assisting clerks with assessing > ?the accessibility of their polling locations and > helping them > ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS > found that the > ?accessibility data provided by > ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > reliable. > > ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > (BOE) attention > and > ?shared independent accessibility reviews with > them.?The BOE has > ?since increased efforts > ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > communication > ?and requiring additional documentation from the > clerks. > > ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > polling locations > ?randomly, without notifying the election > official in advance. > ?After compiling this data on > ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > of > ?inaccessibility became a heightened > concern.?Once these > concerns > ?were communicated to the Bureau of > ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > dramatically > ?increasing their involvement in the advancement > of polling place > ?accessibility. > > ?This same year, the federal government began > reviewing how the > ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This > fueled speculation that > ?the federal government would > ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > some states had > ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an > account and > ?allowing the funds to gain > ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would > pull the allocated > funds > ?completely, which would prevent municipalities > from accessing > ?money to make polling places > ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > of Elections, > ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% > accessibility at all > ?Michigan polling places. > > ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > of a statewide > ?plan to reach 100% polling place > accessibility.?MPAS and the > ?Bureau of Elections strengthened > ?their partnership in order to achieve this > goal.?Within this > ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > locations throughout > ?the state.?Michigan has > ?approximately 3,600 polling places in > total.?MPAS had already > ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior > to 2010, > ?therefore, did not revisit those > ?locations (some were initially accessible and > others MPAS worked > ?closely with clerks to improve > accessibility.?MPAS is still > ?working with clerks to bring > ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > into compliance). > ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > polling locations in > ?2010. > > ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > least 95% of the > ?polling places in Michigan. > > ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > nearly 25% of the > ?polling places that remained physically > inaccessible as required > ?by the Americans with > ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > 2,927 were assessed > ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG > as a benchmark to > ?determine physical accessibility, > ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > locations visited, > ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the > ADAAG ? > barriers > ?that create potential > ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on > Election Day. > > ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > from fully > ?participating in all aspects of society because > of their > ?disability.?This might include > architectural > ?barriers, physical barriers, communication > barriers, attitudinal > ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? > Throughout this project, > MPAS? > ?reviews focused primarily > ?on physical and external barriers, which are > defined as > something > ?material that blocks passage.?Physical > barriers addressed in > ?this report include objects > ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > doorways, > ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > inaccessible door > ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > 2010, 28% did not > ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on > discussions with the BOE > ?in 2008, when MPAS completed > ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > notified with a > ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > they were also > ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. > ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > municipalities > ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The > letters contained a > ?photograph of the problem area(s), > ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? > Within a five month > ?period, letters were sent to over 440 > municipalities concerning > ?approximately 800 polling > ?locations. > > ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places > visited in 2010 had > ?some type of physical barrier present at the > time of review. > > ?The following chart highlights the most common > number of > physical > ?barriers discovered at each location. > > ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only > one physical > ?barrier present.?While the largest and > most frequent problem > was > ?related to parking, the types > ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in > the following > ?chart. > > ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > accessible parking > ?but no signs posted?Parking:? > locations that had no parking > ?designated or noncompliant access > ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that > existed between access aisles > and > ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as > door width, door > ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > ramps, handrails, > ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election Officials > > ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > notified municipal > ?clerks of locations where barriers were > discovered.?Within a > ?four-month period, over 440 > ?letters were sent to election officials.? > By the end of 2010, > 88% > ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > plan of > correction. > ?In addition, MPAS > ?provided technical assistance to the election > officials on how > to > ?improve access to their polling location in > order to come into > ?compliance.젨잹ased on > ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > us they were > ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected > the barriers at > ?the polling locations; 9% > ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; > and the remaining > ?responses varied from clerk using temporary > equipment. > > ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > completed, MPAS > ?required documentation from each clerk proving > or stating that > ?the work had been completed, > ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase > orders.?A > ?majority of the clerks responded either with a > plan of > correction > ?for spring 2011 or with a > ?statement that the work was completed.? > MPAS is still waiting > for > ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done > sufficiently. > Once > ?the removal of barriers > ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS > expects Michigan? > ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to > nearly 90 % ?-- > ?one of the highest in the nation. > ?There remains, however, substantial work to be > completed in the > ?city of Detroit in order to reach this > goal.?The remaining 12% > ?of clerks, who did not respond > ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > correction, > will > ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > accessibility. > > ?NEXT STEPS > > ?While the focus of this report has been on > reaching the 90% > ?accessibility rate, there would still be > approximately 10% of > ?polling locations in Michigan > ?that are not accessible to all voters.? > Some clerks disagree > with > ?the findings and MPAS is working with those > clerks. > > ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > polling locations > ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > breaking them > into > ?three categories: failure > ?to communicate; work promised but documentation > still needed; > and > ?locations requiring review by MPAS. > > ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials > who have failed > ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? > This may involve > ?revisiting the location (some > ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail > to respond), > ?attending city council/township meetings, filing > official HAVA > ?complaints, and/or pursuing > ?legal action under different funding > sources.?MPAS?goal has > ?always been to educate clerks and assist them > with improving > ?access first by proposing solutions > ?to removing barriers. > > ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > monitoring the > ?correction plans that election officials have > submitted to > ensure > ?that barriers are removed. > ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > locations that have > ?not been visited yet. > > ?In Summary > > ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > between MPAS and > the > ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > crucial.?The state > ?reinforced the necessity of > ?accessible elections.?They followed up > with each municipality > ?whose polling place was noted as being > inaccessible in order to > ?determine the jurisdiction's > ?planned course of action.?In addition, the > BOE coordinated and > ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement > grant well into > the > ?fall to assist municipalities > ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > ?Local election officials can either upgrade > their polling places > ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the > polling place to > ?an accessible site.?The > ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > project, they > ?have seen a large increase in the number of > municipalities > ?applying for grant money.?In > ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > extended the > ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > additional > ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? > ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > funds.?The > ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > applications, the > ?largest amount ever received > ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant > applications, 66 > ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > plan of > ?correction - 89% of those who applied. > ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to > apply when the > ?next grant period opens in early 2011. > > ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > proposed > budget > ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > partnership with the > ?Secretary of State, ensuring > ?all elections are accessible to all > voters.?Additionally, MPAS > ?encourages clerks to reach out to local > disability groups for > ?future trainings.?Listed > ?below are additional recommendations moving > forward. > > ?Summary/Recommendations: > > ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be > required to notify the Bureau of > ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > ???젨잸ccessibility checks > should be completed when clerks > ?change polling locations, to verify > accessibility.?Reports > (with > ?photographs) should be submitted > ?to the Bureau of Elections. > > ???젨쟍ew polling locations > must be required to adhere to the > ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > Guidelines. > > ???젨쟕he advisory committee > in charge of amending the State > ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > ways to hold > ?clerks accountable and implement > ?model oversight programs. > > ???젨잸ccess for All grant > money should be available > throughout > ?the year, so accessibility problems can be > addressed anytime > they > ?arise. > > ???젨쟕he Bureau of > Elections and local clerks should continue > ?working with disability advocacy organizations > to complete > ?year-round polling place accessibility > ?audits and training to clerks. > > ?Accessibility Rate by County > > ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > ?County > > ?Polling Locations > > ?Visited > > ?Accessible > > ?Barriers Discovered > > ?Percent Visited > > ?% Accessible of those Visited > > ?Now Complete > > ?% Now Accessible > > ?Alcona > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?8 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?3 > > ?92% > > ?Alger > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?5 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?50% > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?Allegan > > ?37 > > ?37 > > ?35 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?95% > > ?1 > > ?97% > > ?Alpena > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?53% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Antrim > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?9 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?60% > > ?2 > > ?73% > > ?Arenac > > ?14 > > ?14 > > ?10 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?71% > > ?3 > > ?93% > > ?Baraga > > ?8 > > ?6 > > ?1 > > ?5 > > ?75% > > ?17% > > ?1 > > ?33% > > ?Barry > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?18 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?1 > > ?83% > > ?Bay > > ?49 > > ?48 > > ?36 > > ?12 > > ?98% > > ?75% > > ?1 > > ?77% > > ?Benzie > > ?13 > > ?13 > > ?6 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?46% > > ?4 > > ?77% > > ?Berrien > > ?57 > > ?57 > > ?43 > > ?14 > > ?100% > > ?75% > > ?8 > > ?89% > > ?Branch > > ?18 > > ?17 > > ?9 > > ?8 > > ?94% > > ?53% > > ?6 > > ?88% > > ?Calhoun > > ?46 > > ?43 > > ?34 > > ?9 > > ?93% > > ?79% > > ?3 > > ?86% > > ?Cass > > ?19 > > ?19 > > ?12 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?6 > > ?95% > > ?Charlevoix > > ?18 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?89% > > ?63% > > ?1 > > ?69% > > ?Cheboygan > > ?20 > > ?20 > > ?14 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?Chippewa > > ?19 > > ?18 > > ?13 > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?72% > > ?4 > > ?94% > > ?Clare > > ?19 > > ?16 > > ?13 > > ?3 > > ?84% > > ?81% > > ?2 > > ?94% > > ?Clinton > > ?28 > > ?26 > > ?24 > > ?2 > > ?93% > > ?92% > > ?1 > > ?96% > > ?Crawford > > ?7 > > ?7 > > ?6 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?86% > > ?0 > > ?86% > > ?Delta > > ?21 > > ?20 > > ?11 > > ?9 > > ?95% > > ?55% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Dickinson > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?6 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?40% > > ?5 > > ?73% > > ?Eaton > > ?36 > > ?36 > > ?28 > > ?8 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?2 > > ?83% > > ?Emmet > > ?19 > > ?19 > > ?12 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?5 > > ?89% > > ?Genesee > > ?119 > > ?109 > > ?84 > > ?25 > > ?92% > > ?77% > > ?2 > > ?79% > > ?Gladwin > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?11 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?65% > > ?1 > > ?71% > > ?Gogebic > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?7 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?90% > > ?Grand Traverse > > ?28 > > ?27 > > ?27 > > ?0 > > ?96% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Gratiot > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?16 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?78% > > ?Hillsdale > > ?21 > > ?21 > > ?12 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?57% > > ?3 > > ?71% > > ?Houghton > > ?31 > > ?22 > > ?9 > > ?13 > > ?71% > > ?41% > > ?5 > > ?64% > > ?Huron > > ?30 > > ?29 > > ?18 > > ?11 > > ?97% > > ?62% > > ?5 > > ?79% > > ?Ingham > > ?95 > > ?81 > > ?78 > > ?3 > > ?85% > > ?96% > > ?0 > > ?96% > > ?Ionia > > ?22 > > ?22 > > ?17 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?77% > > ?1 > > ?82% > > ?Iosco > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?14 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?93% > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?Iron > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?6 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?50% > > ?2 > > ?67% > > ?Isabella > > ?25 > > ?25 > > ?19 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?76% > > ?1 > > ?80% > > ?Jackson > > ?47 > > ?45 > > ?34 > > ?11 > > ?96% > > ?76% > > ?2 > > ?80% > > ?Kalamazoo > > ?97 > > ?97 > > ?79 > > ?18 > > ?100% > > ?81% > > ?7 > > ?89% > > ?Kalkaska > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?8 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?1 > > ?75% > > ?Kent > > ?209 > > ?207 > > ?174 > > ?33 > > ?99% > > ?84% > > ?11 > > ?89% > > ?Keweenaw > > ?5 > > ?4 > > ?4 > > ?0 > > ?80% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Lake > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?53% > > ?2 > > ?67% > > ?Lapeer > > ?24 > > ?24 > > ?20 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?83% > > ?2 > > ?92% > > ?Leelanau > > ?13 > > ?13 > > ?8 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?62% > > ?1 > > ?69% > > ?Lenawee > > ?30 > > ?30 > > ?23 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?77% > > ?4 > > ?90% > > ?Livingston > > ?48 > > ?45 > > ?35 > > ?10 > > ?94% > > ?78% > > ?0 > > ?78% > > ?Luce > > ?4 > > ?4 > > ?3 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?75% > > ?0 > > ?75% > > ?Mackinac > > ?13 > > ?10 > > ?5 > > ?5 > > ?77% > > ?50% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Macomb > > ?235 > > ?233 > > ?188 > > ?45 > > ?99% > > ?81% > > ?17 > > ?88% > > ?Manistee > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?11 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?73% > > ?3 > > ?93% > > ?Marquette > > ?29 > > ?29 > > ?16 > > ?13 > > ?100% > > ?55% > > ?1 > > ?59% > > ?Mason > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?100% > > ?65% > > ?3 > > ?78% > > ?Mecosta > > ?22 > > ?22 > > ?18 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?82% > > ?1 > > ?86% > > ?Menominee > > ?16 > > ?14 > > ?8 > > ?6 > > ?88% > > ?57% > > ?0 > > ?57% > > ?Midland > > ?38 > > ?29 > > ?22 > > ?7 > > ?76% > > ?76% > > ?4 > > ?90% > > ?Missaukee > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?14 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?82% > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?Monroe > > ?42 > > ?36 > > ?27 > > ?9 > > ?86% > > ?75% > > ?5 > > ?89% > > ?Montcalm > > ?26 > > ?25 > > ?21 > > ?4 > > ?96% > > ?84% > > ?2 > > ?92% > > ?Montmorency > > ?9 > > ?9 > > ?7 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?1 > > ?89% > > ?Muskegon > > ?72 > > ?71 > > ?68 > > ?3 > > ?99% > > ?96% > > ?2 > > ?99% > > ?Newaygo > > ?28 > > ?28 > > ?22 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?79% > > ?3 > > ?89% > > ?Oakland > > ?410 > > ?380 > > ?292 > > ?88 > > ?93% > > ?77% > > ?46 > > ?89% > > ?Oceana > > ?18 > > ?18 > > ?12 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?0 > > ?67% > > ?Ogemaw > > ?16 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?5 > > ?94% > > ?Ontonagon > > ?14 > > ?10 > > ?3 > > ?7 > > ?71% > > ?30% > > ?0 > > ?30% > > ?Osceola > > ?18 > > ?18 > > ?14 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?2 > > ?89% > > ?Oscoda > > ?6 > > ?6 > > ?4 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?1 > > ?83% > > ?Otsego > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?7 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?90% > > ?Ottawa > > ?88 > > ?88 > > ?79 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?90% > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?Presque Isle > > ?16 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?3 > > ?81% > > ?Roscommon > > ?11 > > ?11 > > ?11 > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Saginaw > > ?75 > > ?75 > > ?61 > > ?14 > > ?100% > > ?81% > > ?8 > > ?92% > > ?Sanilac > > ?30 > > ?30 > > ?26 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?87% > > ?3 > > ?97% > > ?Schoolcraft > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?60% > > ?2 > > ?80% > > ?Shiawassee > > ?27 > > ?27 > > ?17 > > ?10 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?3 > > ?74% > > ?St.?Clair > > ?52 > > ?48 > > ?44 > > ?4 > > ?92% > > ?92% > > ?3 > > ?98% > > ?St.?Joseph > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?12 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?71% > > ?2 > > ?82% > > ?Tuscola > > ?25 > > ?24 > > ?16 > > ?8 > > ?96% > > ?67% > > ?2 > > ?75% > > ?Van Buren > > ?23 > > ?22 > > ?19 > > ?3 > > ?96% > > ?86% > > ?1 > > ?91% > > ?Washtenaw > > ?106 > > ?100 > > ?70 > > ?30 > > ?94% > > ?70% > > ?0 > > ?70% > > ?Wayne > > ?568 > > ?519 > > ?325 > > ?194 > > ?91% > > ?63% > > ?28 > > ?68% > > ?Wexford > > ?20 > > ?20 > > ?14 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?1 > > ?75% > > ?Total > > ?3635 > > ?3457 > > ?2579 > > ?878 > > ?95.10% > > ?74.60% > > ?289 > > ?83% > > ?table end > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > From: Katie Wang To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > Message-ID: > ???? > > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web > Braille. Instead, when you > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > on your Braille > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > to save the > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves > each braille volume > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > this multiple > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > than one volume. > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > it a great > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > more in the past > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > larger, more > current collection. > ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > on your end-- It > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest > contacting your state > NLS library again and see if they can get you > some?sort of technical > support contact info. Someone from the central > program > that > administers the Web Braille service might need to look > into your > situation. > ?Hope this helps! > 젨쟇atie > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams wrote: > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > in it says my user > name and password is wrong. I have called and > gotten it changed three > times and it still says it. wonder what I am > doing wrong. > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > users! I recently > registered for WebBraille, and am looking > forward to all it has > to offer.?But I do have this question: > when I click on a link > for a book, where can I find a link, button, > or something where I > can download the BRF file(s) onto my > BrailleNote? I tried to > download Walking Alone and Marching Together > last night, and when > I clicked on the link, it put me into the > actual book to read > online, but I wanted to download the book to > read it in my > BrailleNote's book reader at a later > date.?How can I do this? > Thanks! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say > "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to > contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole > 1988%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykati > e6%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > ???? Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;?? > 젨쟠harset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers > generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you update > it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > ???? > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you > update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > ????reply-type=original > > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > to discuss something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if?I had several > people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that > was one of the things I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to > post online, I'd like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you > update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > From: Elizabeth To: Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > Convention > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello All, > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > the help they have > provided me over the past week. However, I thought > I > would also send out a > general message to thank anyone I may have missed > along the way. My > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > go, but it was exactly > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > such a public email > list. > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this > list was before > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > already said what > happened, or at least their version of the story. > However, I have already > shared my version of the story about a million times > by now, so if you are > curious as to what happened, you will just have to > wait for another time. > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. > I > just wanted to show > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > the way. > > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > ???? > > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Yes. > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > people to discuss > something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if?I had several > people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and > that was one of the things > I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to post online, I'd > like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > they are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still > have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > more than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that > are more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do > you update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your > story? Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips > need to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same > site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a > word limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: Amy Sabo To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" > , > ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, > COLORADO ASSOCIATION" Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > ????< > > 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville. > ca.mail.comcast.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. > is > there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila > Content-Type: text/plain;?? > 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > (AIM) was about 2 years > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > the way, it was the > FS > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now > it > is inaccessible with > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > using? Which > operating system? Which version of aim? > Cheers,?Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On > Behalf > Of Amy Sabo > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > STUDENTS, COLORADO > ASSOCIATION > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. > is > there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber > t.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > From: David Andrews To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > > Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > Thanks, > > Brian > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbha > tia%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.net From jj at bestmidi.com Thu Jul 14 00:44:07 2011 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:44:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years References: <1310521858.78401.YahooMailClassic@web162012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><4FBB92C9A65E4C46A90F64DF50F67EEE@OwnerPC> <026e01cc41b1$87614f20$9623ed60$@net> Message-ID: <8F8FEF18FAD84A9FAE5DB3AB4E722BC2@jage> I don't believe we are in the same Rosen every year. There is a new Rosen hotel being built, and we may end up there as well some of these years. Best Regards, J.J. Meddaugh A T Guys Your Assistive Technology Experts (269) 216-4798 http://www.ATGuys.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Thomas" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > Yes, it will be in the same hotel. > Tina > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > Anmol, > Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That > hasn't happened before. > Do you know if its in the same hotel? > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anmol Bhatia > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be held > in Orlando. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila > wrote: > >> From: Humberto Avila >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM >> I didn't send that message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> Humberto, >> >> I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from >> Dr. Maurer at >> this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would >> be in >> Orlando, making it six years. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth >> in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >> Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six >> >> years. >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti >> wrote: >> >> From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? >> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't >> leave until the next >> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the >> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? >> Because there were too many >> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome >> and I had a great time, >> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >> more.?I looked at >> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >> "required".?General >> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >> >> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >> announce the state >> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >> once and I don't think >> he even told me where it was.?The states should get >> them sorted out before >> convention and email their state this is when and where >> it >> is.?I know that >> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >> they did a very good >> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. >> >> Rachael >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: >> >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >> visit >> ????http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >> 'help' to >> ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >> more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >> 젨?. Re: question about brail to word >> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >> 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day in mi >> ???(Josh Gregory) >> 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >> (Katie Wang) >> 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention (Elizabeth) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >> ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >> ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: NABS list , >> NFBMD list , >> NFB >> ????history list > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >> 5 years >> Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> >> It was announced at the convention that conventions >> from 2013 >> through 2017 >> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend >> the length of >> the convention >> back to how it was and NFB would >> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That >> way, people could >> get excited >> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I >> liked the old >> schedule much >> better.?If we are going to keep people here for >> five years in a >> row, we need >> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >> all there is >> to do in >> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night >> before the last >> day of >> convention. >> >> >> Sherri Brun >> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >> other >> plans." John >> Lennon >> >> Check out http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun >> >> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> ?NFBF Newsline? chair >> www.nfbnewsline.org >> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> http://nfbfgoc.org >> Secretary FDCP INC >> www.fdcp.org >> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for blindtlk: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. >> nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> ????list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >> of the >> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >> the BN and >> ask questions when they're having technical >> problems.?Here's the >> link: >> www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote.? >> In >> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >> to the BN >> list and forward you any responses off list.? >> Hope this helps! >> >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >> format >> documents into word >> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have >> to use your >> Braille note to >> do it because there is no program that will translate >> and convert >> Keyword >> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >> (.doc) >> documents, unless >> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >> and then use >> a program >> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >> will need >> Duxbury >> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >> license if you >> don't >> already have it--you can although try it for free but >> some >> functions will be >> disabled) >> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to >> send another >> message off list >> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >> is good >> practice for >> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >> assistive >> technology. >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf >> Of Andi >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >> ask.?I use to >> use my brail >> >> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >> wondering if >> there is a >> >> program to change the files from the brail document to >> a word >> document? >> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >> simpaler to >> use the >> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? >> thank you so much >> for your >> help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Andrews >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >> First Portable >> Camera >> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >> Reading >> System >> to Support Touchscreen >> for People with Low Vision >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >> Inc.?( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >> www.visionaid-international.com) >> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The >> Readit Wand is a >> portable >> camera that >> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >> documents >> for >> the visually impaired. >> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >> more with >> ease >> using the Readit >> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will >> be read in a >> clear, >> human-sounding >> voice.?The ability to read all of these items >> makes Readit Wand >> the >> perfect tool >> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >> via USB. >> The >> 5-megapixel camera >> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >> recognition >> in as >> little as two >> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand >> allows for >> automatic >> multi-language >> switching when other languages are installed.? >> The portability >> and >> multiple language >> support make it the ideal tool for students who are >> learning a >> foreign language. >> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >> that >> allows >> you to save, load, >> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? >> Importing PDF >> files >> into the Readit >> software enables users to read PDF files that >> originally are >> inaccessible because >> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also >> allows you to >> save >> documents as >> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >> document as an >> MP3 >> file to listen >> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >> access >> toolbar >> designed specifically >> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the >> ability to adjust >> the >> size of the >> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >> all the basic >> controls enabling >> low vision users to capture their document, change the >> view to >> their >> preference and >> more at the click of a button. >> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >> different >> types >> of highlights, >> as well as six different ways to display text, >> allowing low >> vision >> users to customize >> the software to their personal preference. >> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >> Wand is the >> first >> portable camera >> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >> users the >> ability >> to interact >> with the software by simply using their fingers!? >> This means no >> more >> tracking the >> cursor, which provides direct interaction between the >> user and >> the >> Readit software, >> creating the best possible user experience. >> GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the >> Readit Wand >> in >> the U.S., developed >> and manufactured by VisionAid International, located >> in the >> UK.?Readit Wand will >> be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >> For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >> www.gwmicro.com, >> email >> sales at gwmicro.com >> , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >> GW Micro, Inc.?( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology >> industry >> since 1990, >> and >> continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> VisionAid International, Ltd ( >> www.visionaid-international.com), >> established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, >> effective >> and >> simple to use >> devices for people who are partially sighted and blind >> that make >> reading a pleasure >> once again. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne. >> dempsey%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >> From: Josh Gregory > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> ????list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day >> ????in mi >> Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> Hi, >> OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each >> other's >> competetors/enemies/whatever.?So, at the moment >> anyway, I doubt >> it. >> Best, >> Josh >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> day in mi >> >> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to >> ensure >> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the >> Help >> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work >> jointly >> with ACB on this.?What does >> everyone think? >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> day in mi >> >> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> ?Thoughts on this? >> >> ?Chris >> >> ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities >> motto) >> >> ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >> can!" How? Click >> ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >> at I C.A.N. >> ?Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" > ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >> this day in mi >> ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >> >> ?A Call to Action ? >> >> ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >> with Disabilities >> ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >> >> ?A Public Report on >> ?Polling Place >> >> ?Accessibility in Michigan >> >> ?Public Report by >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> >> ?2011 >> >> ?Acknowledgements >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >> is Michigan? >> ?designated agency to advocate and protect the >> legal rights of >> ?persons with disabilities, mandated >> ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives >> funding from the >> ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >> the center for >> ?Mental Health Services ?Substance >> ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >> the >> ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >> Social Security >> ?Administration, the State of Michigan >> ?and from private donations. >> >> ?Funding for this report has been made possible >> through the U.S. >> ?Department of Health and Human Services, >> Administration for >> ?Children and Families, and the >> ?Administration on Developmental >> Disabilities.?The contents are >> ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not >> necessarily >> ?represent the official views >> ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >> Services. >> >> ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, Inc.?This >> ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its >> entirety for >> ?noncommercial purposes as long >> ?as appropriate credit is given. >> >> ?Table of Contents >> >> ?Executive >> >> >> >> Summary.......................................................... >> ? >> ...................................................5 >> >> ?Midterm >> >> >> >> Report........................................................... >> ? >> >> .........................................................6 >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >> >> >> >> Project.......................................................... >> ?.........7 >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election >> ? >> Officials......................................10 >> >> ?Next >> >> >> >> Steps............................................................ >> ? >> >> ..............................................................11 >> >> ?In >> >> >> >> Summary.......................................................... >> ? >> >> ..............................................................11 >> >> ?Accessibility Rate Per >> >> >> >> County........................................................... >> ?................................13 >> >> ?Executive Summary >> >> ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >> obstacles at voting >> ?locations often because their polling place >> lacks physical >> ?accessibility.?The Help America >> ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >> obstacles faced by >> voters >> ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the >> federally >> ?mandated Protection and Advocacy >> ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >> barriers. >> ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >> targeted for >> ?elimination in the President? proposed >> ?2012 budget. >> >> ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, (MPAS), >> ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >> with helping to ensure >> ?the full participation of >> ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral >> process, >> including >> ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >> accessing polling >> ?places. >> >> ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >> that every >> ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >> to their >> polling >> ?location and has the opportunity >> ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS >> staff members are on >> ?the ground providing advice, technical >> assistance, and training >> ?to election officials about >> ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of >> disabilities.?The >> ?agency also provides outreach and training to >> voters with >> ?disabilities, poll workers, and >> ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >> of State of Michigan >> ?partnered over the past six years working toward >> this goal, >> which >> ?has been effective in >> ?increasing physical access to polling locations >> throughout >> ?Michigan. >> >> ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >> United States >> ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >> subject to intense >> ?public scrutiny each election >> ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections >> prohibit >> ?discrimination against people with disabilities >> in the electoral >> ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional >> ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge >> for individuals >> ?with disabilities despite changes made to >> federal and state laws >> ?intended to ensure full >> ?participation. >> >> ?Key Summary >> >> ???젨잻isability advocates >> have visited 95% (3,457) and >> ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >> Michigan. >> >> ???젨쟖pon initial review, >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >> polling places >> were >> ?compliant under the Americans >> ?with Disabilities Act. >> >> ???젨잸fter working with >> state and local officials, it is >> ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >> will be increased >> ?to 90% in 2012. >> >> ???젨쟏f the locations that >> were inaccessible, 60% had one >> ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >> had three or more >> ?types of barriers. >> >> ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 >> counties in Michigan were 100% >> ?physically accessible upon initial visit. >> >> ???젨쟋PAS continues to >> receive complaints regarding the >> ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >> device. >> >> ?Michigan has made great strides toward >> accessibility at the >> ?polls.?This report will highlight the >> steps taken to ensure >> that >> ?all polling locations throughout >> ?Michigan are accessible to voters with >> disabilities.?In >> ?addition, the report will offer recommendations >> for Michigan to >> ?achieve and maintain an accessibility >> ?rate of 100%. >> >> ?2010 Mid Term Report >> >> ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >> the country, >> ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >> in 2002.?HAVA >> ?included sweeping legislation >> ?intended to modernize the electoral system for >> all voters, >> ?including those with disabilities.?The >> Help America Vote Act >> ?reinforced the application of >> ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >> and Section 504 >> ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >> 2004, Michigan >> ?lawmakers amended Michigan election >> ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >> removal of physical >> ?barriers at polling locations.? >> Irrespective of both federal and >> ?state law, 25% of Michigan's >> ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible >> for the November >> ?2010 general election.?To achieve an >> all-encompassing voting >> ?standard for the fifty states, >> ?HAVA included two key components for the >> disability community: >> >> ???젨잸ll polling places >> must have at least one voting system >> ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >> privately and >> ?independently, whether or not one >> ?has a disability. >> >> ???젨쟔tates must ensure >> accessibility at all public polling >> ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans >> with >> Disabilities >> ?Act (ADA). >> >> ?Accessible Voting System >> >> ?In 2004, the disability community and the >> Michigan Secretary of >> ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >> assessing which >> ?accessible device would best >> ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >> selected the >> ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible >> ballot marking device >> ?that can be used by all voters >> ?with or without disabilities. >> >> ?Although every polling location is equipped with >> the AutoMARK, >> ?each municipality is responsible for making sure >> it is set up >> and >> ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, >> ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >> AutoMARK.?Voter >> ?complaints have included the following:? >> the AutoMARK was boxed >> ?up on Election Day, unplugged, >> ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >> could see the >> ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >> jammed ballots have been >> ?greatly reduced since the >> ?last round of updates were completed.? >> Because the AutoMARK is >> ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >> feedback to >> ?correct these kinds of problems. >> ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >> complaints as they >> ?arise. >> >> ?Accessible Polling Places >> >> ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >> money to assist >> with >> ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the >> AutoMARK, but also >> ?to help municipalities >> ?make their polling places physically >> accessible.?Congress >> ?recognized that in order for people to use the >> accessible voting >> ?machines, the building must >> ?also be accessible so voters can access the >> polling location and >> ?voting equipment.?It is the local election >> officials? >> ?responsibility to make sure all >> ?polling locations are accessible on Election >> Day.?To help cover >> ?the expense for removing barriers at polling >> locations, the >> ?Michigan BOE administers a >> ?grant program called Access for All, under the >> U.S.?Department >> ?of Health and Human Services with funding >> allocated through >> HAVA, >> ?to help the state comply >> ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the >> Access for All grants >> ?cover all costs associated with accessibility >> upgrades for >> ?polling locations. >> >> ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement >> provisions under HAVA >> was >> ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >> required to complete an >> ?accessibility checklist >> ?to determine whether or not their locations were >> accessible. >> ?This was one of the state? first attempts to >> gather information >> ?on Michigan? polling place >> ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >> other organizations >> ?were working closely with individual election >> officials on >> ?polling location reviews and >> ?were also training the municipal clerks on the >> accessibility >> ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a >> considerable amount of time >> ?assisting clerks with assessing >> ?the accessibility of their polling locations and >> helping them >> ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >> found that the >> ?accessibility data provided by >> ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >> reliable. >> >> ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >> (BOE) attention >> and >> ?shared independent accessibility reviews with >> them.?The BOE has >> ?since increased efforts >> ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >> communication >> ?and requiring additional documentation from the >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >> polling locations >> ?randomly, without notifying the election >> official in advance. >> ?After compiling this data on >> ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >> of >> ?inaccessibility became a heightened >> concern.?Once these >> concerns >> ?were communicated to the Bureau of >> ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >> dramatically >> ?increasing their involvement in the advancement >> of polling place >> ?accessibility. >> >> ?This same year, the federal government began >> reviewing how the >> ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >> fueled speculation that >> ?the federal government would >> ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >> some states had >> ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an >> account and >> ?allowing the funds to gain >> ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would >> pull the allocated >> funds >> ?completely, which would prevent municipalities >> from accessing >> ?money to make polling places >> ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >> of Elections, >> ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >> accessibility at all >> ?Michigan polling places. >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >> >> ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >> of a statewide >> ?plan to reach 100% polling place >> accessibility.?MPAS and the >> ?Bureau of Elections strengthened >> ?their partnership in order to achieve this >> goal.?Within this >> ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >> locations throughout >> ?the state.?Michigan has >> ?approximately 3,600 polling places in >> total.?MPAS had already >> ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior >> to 2010, >> ?therefore, did not revisit those >> ?locations (some were initially accessible and >> others MPAS worked >> ?closely with clerks to improve >> accessibility.?MPAS is still >> ?working with clerks to bring >> ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >> into compliance). >> ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >> polling locations in >> ?2010. >> >> ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >> least 95% of the >> ?polling places in Michigan. >> >> ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >> nearly 25% of the >> ?polling places that remained physically >> inaccessible as required >> ?by the Americans with >> ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >> 2,927 were assessed >> ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG >> as a benchmark to >> ?determine physical accessibility, >> ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >> locations visited, >> ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the >> ADAAG ? >> barriers >> ?that create potential >> ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on >> Election Day. >> >> ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >> from fully >> ?participating in all aspects of society because >> of their >> ?disability.?This might include >> architectural >> ?barriers, physical barriers, communication >> barriers, attitudinal >> ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? >> Throughout this project, >> MPAS? >> ?reviews focused primarily >> ?on physical and external barriers, which are >> defined as >> something >> ?material that blocks passage.?Physical >> barriers addressed in >> ?this report include objects >> ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >> doorways, >> ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >> inaccessible door >> ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >> >> ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >> 2010, 28% did not >> ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on >> discussions with the BOE >> ?in 2008, when MPAS completed >> ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >> notified with a >> ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >> they were also >> ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. >> ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >> municipalities >> ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >> letters contained a >> ?photograph of the problem area(s), >> ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? >> Within a five month >> ?period, letters were sent to over 440 >> municipalities concerning >> ?approximately 800 polling >> ?locations. >> >> ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places >> visited in 2010 had >> ?some type of physical barrier present at the >> time of review. >> >> ?The following chart highlights the most common >> number of >> physical >> ?barriers discovered at each location. >> >> ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only >> one physical >> ?barrier present.?While the largest and >> most frequent problem >> was >> ?related to parking, the types >> ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in >> the following >> ?chart. >> >> ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >> accessible parking >> ?but no signs posted?Parking:? >> locations that had no parking >> ?designated or noncompliant access >> ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that >> existed between access aisles >> and >> ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >> door width, door >> ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >> ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >> ramps, handrails, >> ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election Officials >> >> ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >> notified municipal >> ?clerks of locations where barriers were >> discovered.?Within a >> ?four-month period, over 440 >> ?letters were sent to election officials.? >> By the end of 2010, >> 88% >> ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >> plan of >> correction. >> ?In addition, MPAS >> ?provided technical assistance to the election >> officials on how >> to >> ?improve access to their polling location in >> order to come into >> ?compliance.젨잹ased on >> ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >> us they were >> ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected >> the barriers at >> ?the polling locations; 9% >> ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; >> and the remaining >> ?responses varied from clerk using temporary >> equipment. >> >> ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >> completed, MPAS >> ?required documentation from each clerk proving >> or stating that >> ?the work had been completed, >> ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase >> orders.?A >> ?majority of the clerks responded either with a >> plan of >> correction >> ?for spring 2011 or with a >> ?statement that the work was completed.? >> MPAS is still waiting >> for >> ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done >> sufficiently. >> Once >> ?the removal of barriers >> ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS >> expects Michigan? >> ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to >> nearly 90 % ?-- >> ?one of the highest in the nation. >> ?There remains, however, substantial work to be >> completed in the >> ?city of Detroit in order to reach this >> goal.?The remaining 12% >> ?of clerks, who did not respond >> ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >> correction, >> will >> ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >> accessibility. >> >> ?NEXT STEPS >> >> ?While the focus of this report has been on >> reaching the 90% >> ?accessibility rate, there would still be >> approximately 10% of >> ?polling locations in Michigan >> ?that are not accessible to all voters.? >> Some clerks disagree >> with >> ?the findings and MPAS is working with those >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >> polling locations >> ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >> breaking them >> into >> ?three categories: failure >> ?to communicate; work promised but documentation >> still needed; >> and >> ?locations requiring review by MPAS. >> >> ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials >> who have failed >> ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? >> This may involve >> ?revisiting the location (some >> ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail >> to respond), >> ?attending city council/township meetings, filing >> official HAVA >> ?complaints, and/or pursuing >> ?legal action under different funding >> sources.?MPAS?goal has >> ?always been to educate clerks and assist them >> with improving >> ?access first by proposing solutions >> ?to removing barriers. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >> monitoring the >> ?correction plans that election officials have >> submitted to >> ensure >> ?that barriers are removed. >> ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >> locations that have >> ?not been visited yet. >> >> ?In Summary >> >> ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >> between MPAS and >> the >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >> crucial.?The state >> ?reinforced the necessity of >> ?accessible elections.?They followed up >> with each municipality >> ?whose polling place was noted as being >> inaccessible in order to >> ?determine the jurisdiction's >> ?planned course of action.?In addition, the >> BOE coordinated and >> ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement >> grant well into >> the >> ?fall to assist municipalities >> ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> >> ?Local election officials can either upgrade >> their polling places >> ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the >> polling place to >> ?an accessible site.?The >> ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >> project, they >> ?have seen a large increase in the number of >> municipalities >> ?applying for grant money.?In >> ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >> extended the >> ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >> additional >> ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? >> ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >> funds.?The >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >> applications, the >> ?largest amount ever received >> ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >> applications, 66 >> ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >> plan of >> ?correction - 89% of those who applied. >> ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to >> apply when the >> ?next grant period opens in early 2011. >> >> ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >> proposed >> budget >> ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >> partnership with the >> ?Secretary of State, ensuring >> ?all elections are accessible to all >> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >> ?encourages clerks to reach out to local >> disability groups for >> ?future trainings.?Listed >> ?below are additional recommendations moving >> forward. >> >> ?Summary/Recommendations: >> >> ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be >> required to notify the Bureau of >> ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. >> >> ???젨잸ccessibility checks >> should be completed when clerks >> ?change polling locations, to verify >> accessibility.?Reports >> (with >> ?photographs) should be submitted >> ?to the Bureau of Elections. >> >> ???젨쟍ew polling locations >> must be required to adhere to the >> ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >> Guidelines. >> >> ???젨쟕he advisory committee >> in charge of amending the State >> ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >> ways to hold >> ?clerks accountable and implement >> ?model oversight programs. >> >> ???젨잸ccess for All grant >> money should be available >> throughout >> ?the year, so accessibility problems can be >> addressed anytime >> they >> ?arise. >> >> ???젨쟕he Bureau of >> Elections and local clerks should continue >> ?working with disability advocacy organizations >> to complete >> ?year-round polling place accessibility >> ?audits and training to clerks. >> >> ?Accessibility Rate by County >> >> ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >> >> ?County >> >> ?Polling Locations >> >> ?Visited >> >> ?Accessible >> >> ?Barriers Discovered >> >> ?Percent Visited >> >> ?% Accessible of those Visited >> >> ?Now Complete >> >> ?% Now Accessible >> >> ?Alcona >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Alger >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Allegan >> >> ?37 >> >> ?37 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?95% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Alpena >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Antrim >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Arenac >> >> ?14 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Baraga >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?17% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?33% >> >> ?Barry >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Bay >> >> ?49 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Benzie >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?46% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Berrien >> >> ?57 >> >> ?57 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Branch >> >> ?18 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Calhoun >> >> ?46 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Cass >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Charlevoix >> >> ?18 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Cheboygan >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Chippewa >> >> ?19 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?72% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clare >> >> ?19 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?84% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clinton >> >> ?28 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Crawford >> >> ?7 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Delta >> >> ?21 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Dickinson >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?40% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Eaton >> >> ?36 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Emmet >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Genesee >> >> ?119 >> >> ?109 >> >> ?84 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Gladwin >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Gogebic >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Grand Traverse >> >> ?28 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Gratiot >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Hillsdale >> >> ?21 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Houghton >> >> ?31 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?41% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?64% >> >> ?Huron >> >> ?30 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Ingham >> >> ?95 >> >> ?81 >> >> ?78 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?85% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Ionia >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Iosco >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?93% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Iron >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Isabella >> >> ?25 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Jackson >> >> ?47 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Kalamazoo >> >> ?97 >> >> ?97 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?7 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Kalkaska >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Kent >> >> ?209 >> >> ?207 >> >> ?174 >> >> ?33 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?11 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Keweenaw >> >> ?5 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Lake >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Lapeer >> >> ?24 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?83% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Leelanau >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Lenawee >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Livingston >> >> ?48 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Luce >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Mackinac >> >> ?13 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Macomb >> >> ?235 >> >> ?233 >> >> ?188 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?17 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Manistee >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?73% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Marquette >> >> ?29 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?59% >> >> ?Mason >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Mecosta >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Menominee >> >> ?16 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?57% >> >> ?Midland >> >> ?38 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?76% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Missaukee >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Monroe >> >> ?42 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Montcalm >> >> ?26 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Montmorency >> >> ?9 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Muskegon >> >> ?72 >> >> ?71 >> >> ?68 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?Newaygo >> >> ?28 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oakland >> >> ?410 >> >> ?380 >> >> ?292 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?46 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oceana >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Ogemaw >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Ontonagon >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?30% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?30% >> >> ?Osceola >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oscoda >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Otsego >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Ottawa >> >> ?88 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?90% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Presque Isle >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?81% >> >> ?Roscommon >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Saginaw >> >> ?75 >> >> ?75 >> >> ?61 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Sanilac >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?87% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Schoolcraft >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Shiawassee >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?74% >> >> ?St.?Clair >> >> ?52 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?44 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?St.?Joseph >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Tuscola >> >> ?25 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Van Buren >> >> ?23 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?Washtenaw >> >> ?106 >> >> ?100 >> >> ?70 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?70% >> >> ?Wayne >> >> ?568 >> >> ?519 >> >> ?325 >> >> ?194 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?28 >> >> ?68% >> >> ?Wexford >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Total >> >> ?3635 >> >> ?3457 >> >> ?2579 >> >> ?878 >> >> ?95.10% >> >> ?74.60% >> >> ?289 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?table end >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >> From: Katie Wang > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web >> Braille. Instead, when you >> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >> on your Braille >> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >> to save the >> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >> each braille volume >> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >> this multiple >> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >> than one volume. >> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >> it a great >> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >> more in the past >> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >> larger, more >> current collection. >> ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >> on your end-- It >> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >> contacting your state >> NLS library again and see if they can get you >> some?sort of technical >> support contact info. Someone from the central >> program >> that >> administers the Web Braille service might need to look >> into your >> situation. >> ?Hope this helps! >> 젨쟇atie >> >> >> On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: >> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >> in it says my user >> name and password is wrong. I have called and >> gotten it changed three >> times and it still says it. wonder what I am >> doing wrong. >> >> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >> users! I recently >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >> forward to all it has >> to offer.?But I do have this question: >> when I click on a link >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >> or something where I >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >> BrailleNote? I tried to >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >> last night, and when >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >> actual book to read >> online, but I wanted to download the book to >> read it in my >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >> date.?How can I do this? >> Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >> (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >> "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to >> contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >> Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole >> 1988%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykati >> e6%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> > Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >> one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers >> generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are more >> objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update >> it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >> maybe you need sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >> be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >> family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >> myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >> charset="Windows-1252"; >> ????reply-type=original >> >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >> to discuss something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >> was one of the things I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to >> post online, I'd like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >> are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention >> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >> the help they have >> provided me over the past week. However, I thought >> I >> would also send out a >> general message to thank anyone I may have missed >> along the way. My >> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >> go, but it was exactly >> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >> such a public email >> list. >> >> Since the last time I checked the messages on this >> list was before >> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >> already said what >> happened, or at least their version of the story. >> However, I have already >> shared my version of the story about a million times >> by now, so if you are >> curious as to what happened, you will just have to >> wait for another time. >> >> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. >> I >> just wanted to show >> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >> the way. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Yes. >> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >> people to discuss >> something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >> that was one of the things >> I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to post online, I'd >> like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >> they are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >> blind people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still >> have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >> more than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that >> are more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do >> you update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your >> story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips >> need to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same >> site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a >> word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, >> and religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Amy Sabo > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >> , >> ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, >> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> ????< >> >> 1760385386.319978.1310359820794.JavaMail.root at sz0144a.emeryville. >> ca.mail.comcast.net >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> <0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002DEE at HumbertoAvila >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" >> >> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >> (AIM) was about 2 years >> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >> the way, it was the >> FS >> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now >> it >> is inaccessible with >> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >> using? Which >> operating system? Which version of aim? >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> Behalf >> Of Amy Sabo >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >> STUDENTS, COLORADO >> ASSOCIATION >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >> From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >> I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >> Thanks, >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> ************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbha >> tia%40yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Jul 14 02:45:22 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:45:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] President of the New York Chapter's E-mail Message-ID: Hello, Can anyone provide me with the President of New York's NABS chapter's e-mail? Thank you. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 03:03:18 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:03:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] President of the New York Chapter's E-mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, I believe it's alexandera.castillo at gmail.com Best, Arielle On 7/13/11, David Dodge wrote: > Hello, > Can anyone provide me with the President of New York's NABS chapter's > e-mail? Thank you. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Jul 14 03:14:29 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:14:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] President of the New York Chapter's E-mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks so much! David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi David, > I believe it's > alexandera.castillo at gmail.com > Best, > Arielle > > On 7/13/11, David Dodge wrote: > > Hello, > > Can anyone provide me with the President of New York's NABS chapter's > > e-mail? Thank you. > > > > David > > ---------------------------------- > > David Dodge > > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > > State University of New York Student Assembly > > English Major > > University at Buffalo > > 306 Clemens Hall > > Buffalo, NY 14260 > > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:05:13 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:05:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> Probably=20because=20they=20got=20a=20great=20deal=20from=20Rosen=20Hotels,= =20who=20 I've=20heard=20has=20really=20supported=20NFB=20and=20was=20a=20sponsor=20f= or=20their=20 tenBroek=20Law=20Symposium=20in=20May.=20=20I=20don't=20know=20though,=20ju= st=20a=20 guess. =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20=20wrote: =20From:=20Humberto=20Avila=20, =20=20NFBMD=20list=20, =20=20NFB =20????history=20list=20, =20????"OF=20BLIND=20STUDENTS, =20=20COLORADO=20ASSOCIATION"=20 Hi David, I don't know the email, but I believe you can find it on nabslink.org. Click on state divisions and I think you'll find a list of all the state divisions, their Presidents, and contact info. Hope this helps! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dodge References: <4e1d0661.4766e50a.6946.2a9d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4F03D429332A4BC5B8C463273AC035AC@AnjelinaPC> I'm assuming Jordan is the president of the MN student division? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Board Thank you so much, Mary! By the way, what did Jordan mean when he signed his email "NABS President?" You said Sean Whalen was, and I didn't even know Jordan was running. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Fernandez wrote: Hello list, For the bennefit of those of us unable to make it to convention this year, who makes up the nabs board for the 2011/12 term? Thank you, Jordan mnabs president Sent from my iPod _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian5 51%40gmail.com -- Mary Fernandez President: Georgia Association of Blind Students Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much rather you weren't doing it." Terry Pratchett _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 16:58:29 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:58:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Board Message-ID: <4e1f2048.68b1340a.1655.0e84@mx.google.com> Oh I see! Thanks! I was using the speech on my BrailleNote to read it faster, and it didn't pronounce the M. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anjelina" wrote: Hello list, For the bennefit of those of us unable to make it to convention this year, who makes up the nabs board for the 2011/12 term? Thank you, Jordan mnabs president Sent from my iPod _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian5 51%40gmail.com -- Mary Fernandez President: Georgia Association of Blind Students Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much rather you weren't doing it." Terry Pratchett _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac 26%40gmail.com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 19:48:30 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:48:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Perfroming Arts Division's Showcase Of Talent Airs Tonight On AudioAccessRadio Message-ID: Greetings To All! Join us on AudioAccessRadio starting at 8 PM eastern, as we present for you The Performing Arts Division’s Showcase Of Talent. This is an event that the NFB’s Performing Arts Division had at National Convention, and now you get to hear it this evening! You’ll hear some chatter from people where I was sitting, but it won’t take away from the performances that you’ll hear this evening! Oh, and about half way through, you’ll hear a special announcement about our station’s first up coming contest Operation Audiostar! So spread the word and tell your friends at 8 PM eastern to visit http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php so you can hear what happened in Orlando Florida at this year’s performing arts division’s showcase of talent. Oh, and see if you can guess who sent in most of the jokes the MC Dennis tells tonight! See you at 8, don’t be late! >From David Dunphy From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Jul 14 21:45:36 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:45:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for five years In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello everyone, I've seen a lot of comments about the national convention schedule for the next few years so I thought I'd post what I've been told about the decision. My husband is on our affiliate board, and we both have been involved with our chapter, affiliate and some national groups, and we've been privy to some information- if I'm wrong, I apologize; I'm merely stating what little I've been told. Let me preface this by saying it takes a very long time to plan an event of this magnitude. President Mauer and the convention committee spend time locating facilities that will accommodate a convention such as this as well as providing the best possible hotel rates they can negotiate. It takes at least a year to plan an event like convention, so they look to book hotel/convention centers ASAP. It's difficult to plan without a location. I've been told that the NFB was able to negotiate a deal with the Rosenburg resort with the condition we would return for a certain period of time, which ensures us decent rates and ensures business for the resort. So convention will be in Orlando at the same resort for the next few years because this is how the deal was negotiated. >From a business perspective, if a hotel provides us with discounted rates (and in most cases, we have been given huge discounts over the years considering the type of hotels usually booked for convention) it would make sense a hotel would request a certain amount of business to make up for the discounted rate. If you usually charge $190/night for a room, and are offering it for $70/night, that is a huge cut you take. So you want to accrue that business more than once so you can make a little mula back from a particular guest. Most the facilities the NFB books for convention have expensive hotel rates that members of the Federation are able to haggle and negotiate down to the incredible rates we usually have. As to why it is Orlando- I'm not sure if the Rosenburg has offered the best deal compared to hotels in other states, or if the locale is amenable to most convention-goers, or if they feel this facility meets our needs best- this is something I've not heard much about. I say wicked awesome, though, to having it in Orlando for a few years. There is a lot to do tourist wise; the resort seems to provide enough for attendees to do without ever leaving the resort complex; and sometimes it's nice to have consistency. Anyway, contracts have been negotiated and signed (I assume if an announcement has been made) so we will have to put up with Orlando for a few years after next year. Bridgit P From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 15 00:53:28 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:53:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Perfroming Arts Division's Showcase Of Talent AirsTonight On AudioAccessRadio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, Will this be archived? Or maybe you can send me the recording off list? Also, how did you record the show? I'm interested in recording meetings, with permission of course, but can't get good coverage of people sitting far away from me. Perhaps you had more professional equipment or a stronger microphone. Any digital audio can be uploaded to the web as long as the recorder has a USB connection. so you could have just used a milestone digital recorder. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: David Dunphy Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:48 PM To: padleadership at padnfb.org ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; perform-talk at nfbnet.org ; mediareq at lists.mediareq.com ; amylsabo at comcast.net ; bcmusicman85 at yahoo.com ; brandonj at wi.rr.com ; buffy.rackley0 at gmail.com ; chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com ; cjohnmurph at gmail.com ; wes at mojoradio.us ; mekawh at gmail.com ; denmaster77 at gmail.com ; daredevilyellow at gmail.com ; dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com ; janetp at bwtelcom.net ; jcmunoz1989 at gmail.com ; jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu ; jmatte28 at comcast.net ; joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com ; twilightbabe4life at gmail.com ; jorgeapaez at live.com ; joshkart12 at gmail.com ; marrie1 at gmail.com ; kend at shaw.ca ; kimk59 at cableone.net ; kristianigee at gmail.com ; oliver.doug1 at gmail.com ; raniaismail04 at gmail.com ; rascalflattsnut at verizon.net ; shanelowe at insightbb.com ; Suzannegirl25 at gmail.com ; tracy at audioaccessradio.com ; zach at chickerland.com Subject: [nabs-l] The Perfroming Arts Division's Showcase Of Talent AirsTonight On AudioAccessRadio Greetings To All! Join us on AudioAccessRadio starting at 8 PM eastern, as we present for you The Performing Arts Division’s Showcase Of Talent. This is an event that the NFB’s Performing Arts Division had at National Convention, and now you get to hear it this evening! You’ll hear some chatter from people where I was sitting, but it won’t take away from the performances that you’ll hear this evening! Oh, and about half way through, you’ll hear a special announcement about our station’s first up coming contest Operation Audiostar! So spread the word and tell your friends at 8 PM eastern to visit http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php so you can hear what happened in Orlando Florida at this year’s performing arts division’s showcase of talent. Oh, and see if you can guess who sent in most of the jokes the MC Dennis tells tonight! See you at 8, don’t be late! >From David Dunphy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From daviddod at buffalo.edu Fri Jul 15 01:21:22 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:21:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than I did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and they were by far the best so far. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu 2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum > Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard > has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law Symposium > in May. I don't know though, just a guess. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the > ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more > and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > Anmol, > Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That > hasn't happened before. > Do you know if its in the same hotel? > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anmol Bhatia > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be held > in Orlando. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila > > wrote: > > From: Humberto Avila > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM > I didn't send that message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] > On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > Humberto, > > I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from > Dr. Maurer at > this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would > be in > Orlando, making it six years. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth > in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? > Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anmol Bhatia To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six > > years. > > > > --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti wrote: > > From: Rachael Vacanti Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > I agree with Chris and Sherri.? > I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't > leave until the next > Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun > right??Wrong.?I didn't get out > of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the > beach, Citywalk and Bubba > Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? > Because there were too many > things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome > and I had a great time, > but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > more.?I looked at > the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > "required".?General > sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > > One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > announce the state > cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > once and I don't think > he even told me where it was.?The states should get > them sorted out before > convention and email their state this is when and where > it > is.?I know that > not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > they did a very good > job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. > > Rachael > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > ????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > 젨?. Re: question about brail to word > program? (Chris Nusbaum) > 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day in mi > ???(Josh Gregory) > 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille > (Katie Wang) > 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National > Convention (Elizabeth) > 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > sites (Joshua Lester) > ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > > > > > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**----- > ----- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum To: NABS list , > NFBMD list , > NFB > ????history list Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > 5 years > Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > ?---- Original Message ------ > From: "Sherri" Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > > It was announced at the convention that conventions > from 2013 > through 2017 > will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend > the length of > the convention > back to how it was and NFB would > organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That > way, people could > get excited > about Orlando and have time to go places.?I > liked the old > schedule much > better.?If we are going to keep people here for > five years in a > row, we need > to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > all there is > to do in > Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night > before the last > day of > convention. > > > Sherri Brun > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > other > plans." John > Lennon > > Check out http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun > > E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > ?NFBF Newsline? chair > www.nfbnewsline.org > Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > http://nfbfgoc.org > Secretary FDCP INC > www.fdcp.org > Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > > ______________________________**_________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for blindtlk: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid > . > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > ????list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > of the > BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > the BN and > ask questions when they're having technical > problems.?Here's the > link: > www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote > .? > In > the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > to the BN > list and forward you any responses off list.? > Hope this helps! > > ?Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > format > documents into word > documents.?If you want to do so, you will have > to use your > Braille note to > do it because there is no program that will translate > and convert > Keyword > Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > (.doc) > documents, unless > you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > and then use > a program > in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > will need > Duxbury > Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > license if you > don't > already have it--you can although try it for free but > some > functions will be > disabled) > I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to > send another > message off list > if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > is good > practice for > me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > assistive > technology. > Cheers,?Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] > On Behalf > Of Andi > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > program? > > I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > ask.?I use to > use my brail > > note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > wondering if > there is a > > program to change the files from the brail document to > a word > document? > Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > simpaler to > use the > better, but I still want it to do a good job.? > thank you so much > for your > help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org > Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > First Portable > Camera > Reading System to Support Touchscreen > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > Reading > System > to Support Touchscreen > for People with Low Vision > Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > Inc.?( > www.gwmicro.com) > and VisionAid International Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.**com > ) > are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The > Readit Wand is a > portable > camera that > connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read > documents > for > the visually impaired. > Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and > more with > ease > using the Readit > Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will > be read in a > clear, > human-sounding > voice.?The ability to read all of these items > makes Readit Wand > the > perfect tool > for the classroom, at home, or at work. > The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects > via USB. > The > 5-megapixel camera > is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for > recognition > in as > little as two > seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand > allows for > automatic > multi-language > switching when other languages are installed.? > The portability > and > multiple language > support make it the ideal tool for students who are > learning a > foreign language. > Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > that > allows > you to save, load, > import, and export documents, including PDFs.? > Importing PDF > files > into the Readit > software enables users to read PDF files that > originally are > inaccessible because > they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also > allows you to > save > documents as > a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > document as an > MP3 > file to listen > to it on your favorite MP3 player. > The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > access > toolbar > designed specifically > for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the > ability to adjust > the > size of the > clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > all the basic > controls enabling > low vision users to capture their document, change the > view to > their > preference and > more at the click of a button. > Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > different > types > of highlights, > as well as six different ways to display text, > allowing low > vision > users to customize > the software to their personal preference. > When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > Wand is the > first > portable camera > to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > users the > ability > to interact > with the software by simply using their fingers!? > This means no > more > tracking the > cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > user and > the > Readit software, > creating the best possible user experience. > GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > Readit Wand > in > the U.S., developed > and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > in the > UK.?Readit Wand will > be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > www.gwmicro.com, > email > sales at gwmicro.com > , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > GW Micro, Inc.?( > www.gwmicro.com) > has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > industry > since 1990, > and > continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > solutions. > VisionAid International, Ltd ( > www.visionaid-international.**com > ), > established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > effective > and > simple to use > devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > that make > reading a pleasure > once again. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**adrianne > . > dempsey%40g > mail.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber > t.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > ????list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this day > ????in mi > Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.**ffffc150 at mx.google.com<4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Hi, > OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each > other's > competetors/enemies/whatever.?**So, at the moment > anyway, I doubt > it. > Best, > Josh > > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > day in mi > > I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > ensure > accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > Help > America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > jointly > with ACB on this.?What does > everyone think? > ?Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > issues to this > day in mi > > Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > ?Thoughts on this? > > ?Chris > > ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > Abilities > motto) > > ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > can!" How? Click > ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: > ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > at I C.A.N. > ?Foundation. > > > > ?Sent from my BrailleNote > > ?---- Original Message ------ > ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > this day in mi > ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > > ?A Call to Action ? > > ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > with Disabilities > ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > > ?A Public Report on > ?Polling Place > > ?Accessibility in Michigan > > ?Public Report by > > ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > > ?2011 > > ?Acknowledgements > > ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > is Michigan? > ?designated agency to advocate and protect the > legal rights of > ?persons with disabilities, mandated > ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives > funding from the > ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > the center for > ?Mental Health Services ?Substance > ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > the > ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > Social Security > ?Administration, the State of Michigan > ?and from private donations. > > ?Funding for this report has been made possible > through the U.S. > ?Department of Health and Human Services, > Administration for > ?Children and Families, and the > ?Administration on Developmental > Disabilities.?The contents are > ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not > necessarily > ?represent the official views > ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human > Services. > > ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, Inc.?This > ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its > entirety for > ?noncommercial purposes as long > ?as appropriate credit is given. > > ?Table of Contents > > ?Executive > > > > > Summary.......................**..............................**..... > ? > ..............................**.....................5 > > ?Midterm > > > > > Report........................**..............................**..... > ? > > ..............................**...........................6 > > ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > > > > > Project.......................**..............................**..... > ?.........7 > > ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election > ? > Officials.....................**.................10 > > ?Next > > > > > Steps.........................**..............................**..... > ? > > ..............................**..............................**..11 > > ?In > > > > > Summary.......................**..............................**..... > ? > > ..............................**..............................**..11 > > ?Accessibility Rate Per > > > > > County........................**..............................**..... > ?.............................**...13 > > ?Executive Summary > > ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > obstacles at voting > ?locations often because their polling place > lacks physical > ?accessibility.?The Help America > ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > obstacles faced by > voters > ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the > federally > ?mandated Protection and Advocacy > ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > barriers. > ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > targeted for > ?elimination in the President? proposed > ?2012 budget. > > ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > Service, (MPAS), > ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > with helping to ensure > ?the full participation of > ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral > process, > including > ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > accessing polling > ?places. > > ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > that every > ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > to their > polling > ?location and has the opportunity > ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS > staff members are on > ?the ground providing advice, technical > assistance, and training > ?to election officials about > ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of > disabilities.?The > ?agency also provides outreach and training to > voters with > ?disabilities, poll workers, and > ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary > of State of Michigan > ?partnered over the past six years working toward > this goal, > which > ?has been effective in > ?increasing physical access to polling locations > throughout > ?Michigan. > > ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > United States > ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > subject to intense > ?public scrutiny each election > ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections > prohibit > ?discrimination against people with disabilities > in the electoral > ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional > ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge > for individuals > ?with disabilities despite changes made to > federal and state laws > ?intended to ensure full > ?participation. > > ?Key Summary > > ???젨잻isability advocates > have visited 95% (3,457) and > ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > Michigan. > > ???젨쟖pon initial review, > Michigan Protection and Advocacy > ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > polling places > were > ?compliant under the Americans > ?with Disabilities Act. > > ???젨잸fter working with > state and local officials, it is > ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > will be increased > ?to 90% in 2012. > > ???젨쟏f the locations that > were inaccessible, 60% had one > ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > had three or more > ?types of barriers. > > ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 > counties in Michigan were 100% > ?physically accessible upon initial visit. > > ???젨쟋PAS continues to > receive complaints regarding the > ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > device. > > ?Michigan has made great strides toward > accessibility at the > ?polls.?This report will highlight the > steps taken to ensure > that > ?all polling locations throughout > ?Michigan are accessible to voters with > disabilities.?In > ?addition, the report will offer recommendations > for Michigan to > ?achieve and maintain an accessibility > ?rate of 100%. > > ?2010 Mid Term Report > > ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > the country, > ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > in 2002.?HAVA > ?included sweeping legislation > ?intended to modernize the electoral system for > all voters, > ?including those with disabilities.?The > Help America Vote Act > ?reinforced the application of > ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > and Section 504 > ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in > 2004, Michigan > ?lawmakers amended Michigan election > ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > removal of physical > ?barriers at polling locations.? > Irrespective of both federal and > ?state law, 25% of Michigan's > ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible > for the November > ?2010 general election.?To achieve an > all-encompassing voting > ?standard for the fifty states, > ?HAVA included two key components for the > disability community: > > ???젨잸ll polling places > must have at least one voting system > ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > privately and > ?independently, whether or not one > ?has a disability. > > ???젨쟔tates must ensure > accessibility at all public polling > ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans > with > Disabilities > ?Act (ADA). > > ?Accessible Voting System > > ?In 2004, the disability community and the > Michigan Secretary of > ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > assessing which > ?accessible device would best > ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > selected the > ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible > ballot marking device > ?that can be used by all voters > ?with or without disabilities. > > ?Although every polling location is equipped with > the AutoMARK, > ?each municipality is responsible for making sure > it is set up > and > ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, > ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > AutoMARK.?Voter > ?complaints have included the following:? > the AutoMARK was boxed > ?up on Election Day, unplugged, > ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > could see the > ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning > jammed ballots have been > ?greatly reduced since the > ?last round of updates were completed.? > Because the AutoMARK is > ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > feedback to > ?correct these kinds of problems. > ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > complaints as they > ?arise. > > ?Accessible Polling Places > > ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > money to assist > with > ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the > AutoMARK, but also > ?to help municipalities > ?make their polling places physically > accessible.?Congress > ?recognized that in order for people to use the > accessible voting > ?machines, the building must > ?also be accessible so voters can access the > polling location and > ?voting equipment.?It is the local election > officials? > ?responsibility to make sure all > ?polling locations are accessible on Election > Day.?To help cover > ?the expense for removing barriers at polling > locations, the > ?Michigan BOE administers a > ?grant program called Access for All, under the > U.S.?Department > ?of Health and Human Services with funding > allocated through > HAVA, > ?to help the state comply > ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the > Access for All grants > ?cover all costs associated with accessibility > upgrades for > ?polling locations. > > ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement > provisions under HAVA > was > ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > required to complete an > ?accessibility checklist > ?to determine whether or not their locations were > accessible. > ?This was one of the state? first attempts to > gather information > ?on Michigan? polling place > ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and > other organizations > ?were working closely with individual election > officials on > ?polling location reviews and > ?were also training the municipal clerks on the > accessibility > ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a > considerable amount of time > ?assisting clerks with assessing > ?the accessibility of their polling locations and > helping them > ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS > found that the > ?accessibility data provided by > ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > reliable. > > ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > (BOE) attention > and > ?shared independent accessibility reviews with > them.?The BOE has > ?since increased efforts > ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > communication > ?and requiring additional documentation from the > clerks. > > ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > polling locations > ?randomly, without notifying the election > official in advance. > ?After compiling this data on > ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > of > ?inaccessibility became a heightened > concern.?Once these > concerns > ?were communicated to the Bureau of > ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > dramatically > ?increasing their involvement in the advancement > of polling place > ?accessibility. > > ?This same year, the federal government began > reviewing how the > ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This > fueled speculation that > ?the federal government would > ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > some states had > ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an > account and > ?allowing the funds to gain > ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would > pull the allocated > funds > ?completely, which would prevent municipalities > from accessing > ?money to make polling places > ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > of Elections, > ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% > accessibility at all > ?Michigan polling places. > > ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > > ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > of a statewide > ?plan to reach 100% polling place > accessibility.?MPAS and the > ?Bureau of Elections strengthened > ?their partnership in order to achieve this > goal.?Within this > ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > locations throughout > ?the state.?Michigan has > ?approximately 3,600 polling places in > total.?MPAS had already > ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior > to 2010, > ?therefore, did not revisit those > ?locations (some were initially accessible and > others MPAS worked > ?closely with clerks to improve > accessibility.?MPAS is still > ?working with clerks to bring > ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > into compliance). > ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > polling locations in > ?2010. > > ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > least 95% of the > ?polling places in Michigan. > > ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > nearly 25% of the > ?polling places that remained physically > inaccessible as required > ?by the Americans with > ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > > ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > 2,927 were assessed > ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG > as a benchmark to > ?determine physical accessibility, > ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > locations visited, > ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the > ADAAG ? > barriers > ?that create potential > ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on > Election Day. > > ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > from fully > ?participating in all aspects of society because > of their > ?disability.?This might include > architectural > ?barriers, physical barriers, communication > barriers, attitudinal > ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? > Throughout this project, > MPAS? > ?reviews focused primarily > ?on physical and external barriers, which are > defined as > something > ?material that blocks passage.?Physical > barriers addressed in > ?this report include objects > ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > doorways, > ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > inaccessible door > ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > > ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > 2010, 28% did not > ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on > discussions with the BOE > ?in 2008, when MPAS completed > ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > notified with a > ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > they were also > ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. > ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > municipalities > ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The > letters contained a > ?photograph of the problem area(s), > ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? > Within a five month > ?period, letters were sent to over 440 > municipalities concerning > ?approximately 800 polling > ?locations. > > ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places > visited in 2010 had > ?some type of physical barrier present at the > time of review. > > ?The following chart highlights the most common > number of > physical > ?barriers discovered at each location. > > ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only > one physical > ?barrier present.?While the largest and > most frequent problem > was > ?related to parking, the types > ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in > the following > ?chart. > > ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > accessible parking > ?but no signs posted?Parking:? > locations that had no parking > ?designated or noncompliant access > ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that > existed between access aisles > and > ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as > door width, door > ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > ramps, handrails, > ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > > ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > Election Officials > > ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > notified municipal > ?clerks of locations where barriers were > discovered.?Within a > ?four-month period, over 440 > ?letters were sent to election officials.? > By the end of 2010, > 88% > ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > plan of > correction. > ?In addition, MPAS > ?provided technical assistance to the election > officials on how > to > ?improve access to their polling location in > order to come into > ?compliance.젨잹ased on > ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > us they were > ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected > the barriers at > ?the polling locations; 9% > ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; > and the remaining > ?responses varied from clerk using temporary > equipment. > > ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > completed, MPAS > ?required documentation from each clerk proving > or stating that > ?the work had been completed, > ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase > orders.?A > ?majority of the clerks responded either with a > plan of > correction > ?for spring 2011 or with a > ?statement that the work was completed.? > MPAS is still waiting > for > ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done > sufficiently. > Once > ?the removal of barriers > ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS > expects Michigan? > ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to > nearly 90 % ?-- > ?one of the highest in the nation. > ?There remains, however, substantial work to be > completed in the > ?city of Detroit in order to reach this > goal.?The remaining 12% > ?of clerks, who did not respond > ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > correction, > will > ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > accessibility. > > ?NEXT STEPS > > ?While the focus of this report has been on > reaching the 90% > ?accessibility rate, there would still be > approximately 10% of > ?polling locations in Michigan > ?that are not accessible to all voters.? > Some clerks disagree > with > ?the findings and MPAS is working with those > clerks. > > ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > polling locations > ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > breaking them > into > ?three categories: failure > ?to communicate; work promised but documentation > still needed; > and > ?locations requiring review by MPAS. > > ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials > who have failed > ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? > This may involve > ?revisiting the location (some > ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail > to respond), > ?attending city council/township meetings, filing > official HAVA > ?complaints, and/or pursuing > ?legal action under different funding > sources.?MPAS?goal has > ?always been to educate clerks and assist them > with improving > ?access first by proposing solutions > ?to removing barriers. > > ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > monitoring the > ?correction plans that election officials have > submitted to > ensure > ?that barriers are removed. > ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > locations that have > ?not been visited yet. > > ?In Summary > > ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > between MPAS and > the > ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > crucial.?The state > ?reinforced the necessity of > ?accessible elections.?They followed up > with each municipality > ?whose polling place was noted as being > inaccessible in order to > ?determine the jurisdiction's > ?planned course of action.?In addition, the > BOE coordinated and > ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement > grant well into > the > ?fall to assist municipalities > ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > > ?Local election officials can either upgrade > their polling places > ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the > polling place to > ?an accessible site.?The > ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > project, they > ?have seen a large increase in the number of > municipalities > ?applying for grant money.?In > ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > extended the > ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > additional > ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? > ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > funds.?The > ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > applications, the > ?largest amount ever received > ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant > applications, 66 > ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > plan of > ?correction - 89% of those who applied. > ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to > apply when the > ?next grant period opens in early 2011. > > ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > proposed > budget > ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > partnership with the > ?Secretary of State, ensuring > ?all elections are accessible to all > voters.?Additionally, MPAS > ?encourages clerks to reach out to local > disability groups for > ?future trainings.?Listed > ?below are additional recommendations moving > forward. > > ?Summary/Recommendations: > > ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be > required to notify the Bureau of > ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. > > ???젨잸ccessibility checks > should be completed when clerks > ?change polling locations, to verify > accessibility.?Reports > (with > ?photographs) should be submitted > ?to the Bureau of Elections. > > ???젨쟍ew polling locations > must be required to adhere to the > ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > Guidelines. > > ???젨쟕he advisory committee > in charge of amending the State > ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > ways to hold > ?clerks accountable and implement > ?model oversight programs. > > ???젨잸ccess for All grant > money should be available > throughout > ?the year, so accessibility problems can be > addressed anytime > they > ?arise. > > ???젨쟕he Bureau of > Elections and local clerks should continue > ?working with disability advocacy organizations > to complete > ?year-round polling place accessibility > ?audits and training to clerks. > > ?Accessibility Rate by County > > ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > > ?County > > ?Polling Locations > > ?Visited > > ?Accessible > > ?Barriers Discovered > > ?Percent Visited > > ?% Accessible of those Visited > > ?Now Complete > > ?% Now Accessible > > ?Alcona > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?8 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?3 > > ?92% > > ?Alger > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?5 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?50% > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?Allegan > > ?37 > > ?37 > > ?35 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?95% > > ?1 > > ?97% > > ?Alpena > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?53% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Antrim > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?9 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?60% > > ?2 > > ?73% > > ?Arenac > > ?14 > > ?14 > > ?10 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?71% > > ?3 > > ?93% > > ?Baraga > > ?8 > > ?6 > > ?1 > > ?5 > > ?75% > > ?17% > > ?1 > > ?33% > > ?Barry > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?18 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?1 > > ?83% > > ?Bay > > ?49 > > ?48 > > ?36 > > ?12 > > ?98% > > ?75% > > ?1 > > ?77% > > ?Benzie > > ?13 > > ?13 > > ?6 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?46% > > ?4 > > ?77% > > ?Berrien > > ?57 > > ?57 > > ?43 > > ?14 > > ?100% > > ?75% > > ?8 > > ?89% > > ?Branch > > ?18 > > ?17 > > ?9 > > ?8 > > ?94% > > ?53% > > ?6 > > ?88% > > ?Calhoun > > ?46 > > ?43 > > ?34 > > ?9 > > ?93% > > ?79% > > ?3 > > ?86% > > ?Cass > > ?19 > > ?19 > > ?12 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?6 > > ?95% > > ?Charlevoix > > ?18 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?89% > > ?63% > > ?1 > > ?69% > > ?Cheboygan > > ?20 > > ?20 > > ?14 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?Chippewa > > ?19 > > ?18 > > ?13 > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?72% > > ?4 > > ?94% > > ?Clare > > ?19 > > ?16 > > ?13 > > ?3 > > ?84% > > ?81% > > ?2 > > ?94% > > ?Clinton > > ?28 > > ?26 > > ?24 > > ?2 > > ?93% > > ?92% > > ?1 > > ?96% > > ?Crawford > > ?7 > > ?7 > > ?6 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?86% > > ?0 > > ?86% > > ?Delta > > ?21 > > ?20 > > ?11 > > ?9 > > ?95% > > ?55% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Dickinson > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?6 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?40% > > ?5 > > ?73% > > ?Eaton > > ?36 > > ?36 > > ?28 > > ?8 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?2 > > ?83% > > ?Emmet > > ?19 > > ?19 > > ?12 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?5 > > ?89% > > ?Genesee > > ?119 > > ?109 > > ?84 > > ?25 > > ?92% > > ?77% > > ?2 > > ?79% > > ?Gladwin > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?11 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?65% > > ?1 > > ?71% > > ?Gogebic > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?7 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?90% > > ?Grand Traverse > > ?28 > > ?27 > > ?27 > > ?0 > > ?96% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Gratiot > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?16 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?78% > > ?Hillsdale > > ?21 > > ?21 > > ?12 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?57% > > ?3 > > ?71% > > ?Houghton > > ?31 > > ?22 > > ?9 > > ?13 > > ?71% > > ?41% > > ?5 > > ?64% > > ?Huron > > ?30 > > ?29 > > ?18 > > ?11 > > ?97% > > ?62% > > ?5 > > ?79% > > ?Ingham > > ?95 > > ?81 > > ?78 > > ?3 > > ?85% > > ?96% > > ?0 > > ?96% > > ?Ionia > > ?22 > > ?22 > > ?17 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?77% > > ?1 > > ?82% > > ?Iosco > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?14 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?93% > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?Iron > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?6 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?50% > > ?2 > > ?67% > > ?Isabella > > ?25 > > ?25 > > ?19 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?76% > > ?1 > > ?80% > > ?Jackson > > ?47 > > ?45 > > ?34 > > ?11 > > ?96% > > ?76% > > ?2 > > ?80% > > ?Kalamazoo > > ?97 > > ?97 > > ?79 > > ?18 > > ?100% > > ?81% > > ?7 > > ?89% > > ?Kalkaska > > ?12 > > ?12 > > ?8 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?1 > > ?75% > > ?Kent > > ?209 > > ?207 > > ?174 > > ?33 > > ?99% > > ?84% > > ?11 > > ?89% > > ?Keweenaw > > ?5 > > ?4 > > ?4 > > ?0 > > ?80% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Lake > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?53% > > ?2 > > ?67% > > ?Lapeer > > ?24 > > ?24 > > ?20 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?83% > > ?2 > > ?92% > > ?Leelanau > > ?13 > > ?13 > > ?8 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?62% > > ?1 > > ?69% > > ?Lenawee > > ?30 > > ?30 > > ?23 > > ?7 > > ?100% > > ?77% > > ?4 > > ?90% > > ?Livingston > > ?48 > > ?45 > > ?35 > > ?10 > > ?94% > > ?78% > > ?0 > > ?78% > > ?Luce > > ?4 > > ?4 > > ?3 > > ?1 > > ?100% > > ?75% > > ?0 > > ?75% > > ?Mackinac > > ?13 > > ?10 > > ?5 > > ?5 > > ?77% > > ?50% > > ?1 > > ?60% > > ?Macomb > > ?235 > > ?233 > > ?188 > > ?45 > > ?99% > > ?81% > > ?17 > > ?88% > > ?Manistee > > ?15 > > ?15 > > ?11 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?73% > > ?3 > > ?93% > > ?Marquette > > ?29 > > ?29 > > ?16 > > ?13 > > ?100% > > ?55% > > ?1 > > ?59% > > ?Mason > > ?23 > > ?23 > > ?15 > > ?8 > > ?100% > > ?65% > > ?3 > > ?78% > > ?Mecosta > > ?22 > > ?22 > > ?18 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?82% > > ?1 > > ?86% > > ?Menominee > > ?16 > > ?14 > > ?8 > > ?6 > > ?88% > > ?57% > > ?0 > > ?57% > > ?Midland > > ?38 > > ?29 > > ?22 > > ?7 > > ?76% > > ?76% > > ?4 > > ?90% > > ?Missaukee > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?14 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?82% > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?Monroe > > ?42 > > ?36 > > ?27 > > ?9 > > ?86% > > ?75% > > ?5 > > ?89% > > ?Montcalm > > ?26 > > ?25 > > ?21 > > ?4 > > ?96% > > ?84% > > ?2 > > ?92% > > ?Montmorency > > ?9 > > ?9 > > ?7 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?1 > > ?89% > > ?Muskegon > > ?72 > > ?71 > > ?68 > > ?3 > > ?99% > > ?96% > > ?2 > > ?99% > > ?Newaygo > > ?28 > > ?28 > > ?22 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?79% > > ?3 > > ?89% > > ?Oakland > > ?410 > > ?380 > > ?292 > > ?88 > > ?93% > > ?77% > > ?46 > > ?89% > > ?Oceana > > ?18 > > ?18 > > ?12 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?0 > > ?67% > > ?Ogemaw > > ?16 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?5 > > ?94% > > ?Ontonagon > > ?14 > > ?10 > > ?3 > > ?7 > > ?71% > > ?30% > > ?0 > > ?30% > > ?Osceola > > ?18 > > ?18 > > ?14 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?78% > > ?2 > > ?89% > > ?Oscoda > > ?6 > > ?6 > > ?4 > > ?2 > > ?100% > > ?67% > > ?1 > > ?83% > > ?Otsego > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?7 > > ?3 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?2 > > ?90% > > ?Ottawa > > ?88 > > ?88 > > ?79 > > ?9 > > ?100% > > ?90% > > ?5 > > ?95% > > ?Presque Isle > > ?16 > > ?16 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?3 > > ?81% > > ?Roscommon > > ?11 > > ?11 > > ?11 > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?100% > > ?0 > > ?100% > > ?Saginaw > > ?75 > > ?75 > > ?61 > > ?14 > > ?100% > > ?81% > > ?8 > > ?92% > > ?Sanilac > > ?30 > > ?30 > > ?26 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?87% > > ?3 > > ?97% > > ?Schoolcraft > > ?10 > > ?10 > > ?6 > > ?4 > > ?100% > > ?60% > > ?2 > > ?80% > > ?Shiawassee > > ?27 > > ?27 > > ?17 > > ?10 > > ?100% > > ?63% > > ?3 > > ?74% > > ?St.?Clair > > ?52 > > ?48 > > ?44 > > ?4 > > ?92% > > ?92% > > ?3 > > ?98% > > ?St.?Joseph > > ?17 > > ?17 > > ?12 > > ?5 > > ?100% > > ?71% > > ?2 > > ?82% > > ?Tuscola > > ?25 > > ?24 > > ?16 > > ?8 > > ?96% > > ?67% > > ?2 > > ?75% > > ?Van Buren > > ?23 > > ?22 > > ?19 > > ?3 > > ?96% > > ?86% > > ?1 > > ?91% > > ?Washtenaw > > ?106 > > ?100 > > ?70 > > ?30 > > ?94% > > ?70% > > ?0 > > ?70% > > ?Wayne > > ?568 > > ?519 > > ?325 > > ?194 > > ?91% > > ?63% > > ?28 > > ?68% > > ?Wexford > > ?20 > > ?20 > > ?14 > > ?6 > > ?100% > > ?70% > > ?1 > > ?75% > > ?Total > > ?3635 > > ?3457 > > ?2579 > > ?878 > > ?95.10% > > ?74.60% > > ?289 > > ?83% > > ?table end > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > From: Katie Wang To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > Message-ID: > ???? > > > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web > Braille. Instead, when you > are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > on your Braille > Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > to save the > file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves > each braille volume > of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > this multiple > times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > than one volume. > I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > it a great > resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > more in the past > few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > larger, more > current collection. > ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > on your end-- It > might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest > contacting your state > NLS library again and see if they can get you > some?sort of technical > support contact info. Someone from the central > program > that > administers the Web Braille service might need to look > into your > situation. > ?Hope this helps! > 젨쟇atie > > > On 7/10/11, Lea williams wrote: > I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > in it says my user > name and password is wrong. I have called and > gotten it changed three > times and it still says it. wonder what I am > doing wrong. > > On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > users! I recently > registered for WebBraille, and am looking > forward to all it has > to offer.?But I do have this question: > when I click on a link > for a book, where can I find a link, button, > or something where I > can download the BRF file(s) onto my > BrailleNote? I tried to > download Walking Alone and Marching Together > last night, and when > I clicked on the link, it put me into the > actual book to read > online, but I wanted to download the book to > read it in my > BrailleNote's book reader at a later > date.?How can I do this? > Thanks! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say > "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to > contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole > 1988%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati > e6%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > ???? Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > Message-ID: > <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC > Content-Type: text/plain;?? > 젨쟠harset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers > generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are more > objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you update > it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > maybe you need sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > ???? > > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you > update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > ????reply-type=original > > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > to discuss something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if?I had several > people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that > was one of the things I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to > post online, I'd like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that are > more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do you > update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your story? > Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips need > to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > Can > you write as much as you want or is there a word > limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, and > religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > From: Elizabeth To: Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > Convention > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello All, > > I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > the help they have > provided me over the past week. However, I thought > I > would also send out a > general message to thank anyone I may have missed > along the way. My > convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > go, but it was exactly > what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > such a public email > list. > > Since the last time I checked the messages on this > list was before > convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > already said what > happened, or at least their version of the story. > However, I have already > shared my version of the story about a million times > by now, so if you are > curious as to what happened, you will just have to > wait for another time. > > The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. > I > just wanted to show > my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > the way. > > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > Message-ID: > ???? > > > om > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Yes. > Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Joshua, > What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > people to discuss > something > common? > Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > This would be a good idea if?I had several > people interested in a forum. > I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and > that was one of the things > I > wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > to post online, I'd > like > the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > writings, if I do it. > > I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > they are accessible. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > sites > > Ashley: > Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > blind people? > I've found an accessible one. > V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > captcha, (if they still > have > it.) > To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > examples. > www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > www.goodnewscafe.net. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi all, > > I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > more than one blog. > So what accessible sites are there??Do > bloggers generally write first > person stories, or about things they see that > are more objective? > Any of you have a blog??How often do > you update it??Is it possible to > upload photos to it to go along with your > story? Or maybe you need > sighted > help to post photos? > What about audio? What format do audio clips > need to be in? > Can you have more than one blog on the same > site? Can > you write as much as you want or is there a > word limit? > I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > friends and family. I figured > blogging would be a neat way to write stories > about myself, life and my > opinions on things like books, technology, > and religion. > > What site can you write like a journal about > yourself? > > > Thanks. > Ashley > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: Amy Sabo To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" > , > ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, > COLORADO ASSOCIATION" Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > ????< > > > 1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. > ca.mail.comcast.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. > is > there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > ???? Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > Message-ID: > <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila > Content-Type: text/plain;?? > 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" > > The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > (AIM) was about 2 years > ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > the way, it was the > FS > cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now > it > is inaccessible with > JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > using? Which > operating system? Which version of aim? > Cheers,?Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] > On > Behalf > Of Amy Sabo > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > STUDENTS, COLORADO > ASSOCIATION > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > > hello all, > > i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > problems with the latest > version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > features on it to change > the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. > is > there a way in where i > can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > for jfw that i can use? > > thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > amy > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber > t.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > From: David Andrews To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > format=flowed > > > > Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > Thanks, > > Brian > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > **************************************** > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha > tia%40yahoo.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha > tia%40yahoo.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Fri Jul 15 01:22:43 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:22:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] President of the New York Chapter's E-mail In-Reply-To: <4e1f1b32.8c07e50a.69a2.0d94@mx.google.com> References: <4e1f1b32.8c07e50a.69a2.0d94@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Chris! :) David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi David, > > I don't know the email, but I believe you can find it on nabslink.org. > Click on state divisions and I think you'll find a list of all the state > divisions, their Presidents, and contact info. Hope this helps! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the > ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more > and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Dodge To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:45:22 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] President of the New York Chapter's E-mail > > Hello, > Can anyone provide me with the President of New York's NABS chapter's > e-mail? Thank you. > > David > ------------------------------**---- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From treyman19 at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 02:44:02 2011 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:44:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] O T Pac-Mate Omni and Book-Sense for sell Message-ID: Hi I have a used Pac-Mate Omni BX with out Braille Display. It will come with charger, usb cord, dror, case, pig tail cord, usb cord, and 1 GB Compact flash card. I am only asking $300 or $250. I am also wanting to sell my Book-Sense Standard, it will come with 16 GB SD Card, Charger, Pouch, USB Cord I am asking for $ 275 and this in great condition. You can contact me by phone or email. 219-577-2367 treyman19 at gmail.com Thanks a lot you nice people. -- Roosevelt Bradley From jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 15 02:46:01 2011 From: jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net (Jessica) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:46:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> Message-ID: As much as I liked Orlando having it there for 5 years is insane. From my experience I stayed at both hotels and found Rosen center much more helpful. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:21 PM, David Dodge wrote: > Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than I > did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and > they were by far the best so far. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > 2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum > >> Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard >> has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law Symposium >> in May. I don't know though, just a guess. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the >> ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more >> and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> Anmol, >> Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That >> hasn't happened before. >> Do you know if its in the same hotel? >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be held >> in Orlando. >> >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila > >> wrote: >> >> From: Humberto Avila >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM >> I didn't send that message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> Humberto, >> >> I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from >> Dr. Maurer at >> this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would >> be in >> Orlando, making it six years. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth >> in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >> Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six >> >> years. >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti > wrote: >> >> From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? >> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't >> leave until the next >> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the >> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? >> Because there were too many >> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome >> and I had a great time, >> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >> more.?I looked at >> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >> "required".?General >> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >> >> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >> announce the state >> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >> once and I don't think >> he even told me where it was.?The states should get >> them sorted out before >> convention and email their state this is when and where >> it >> is.?I know that >> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >> they did a very good >> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. >> >> Rachael >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: >> >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >> visit >> ????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >> 'help' to >> ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >> more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >> 젨?. Re: question about brail to word >> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >> 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day in mi >> ???(Josh Gregory) >> 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >> (Katie Wang) >> 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention (Elizabeth) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >> ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >> ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----- >> ----- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: NABS list , >> NFBMD list , >> NFB >> ????history list > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >> 5 years >> Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> >> It was announced at the convention that conventions >> from 2013 >> through 2017 >> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend >> the length of >> the convention >> back to how it was and NFB would >> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That >> way, people could >> get excited >> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I >> liked the old >> schedule much >> better.?If we are going to keep people here for >> five years in a >> row, we need >> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >> all there is >> to do in >> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night >> before the last >> day of >> convention. >> >> >> Sherri Brun >> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >> other >> plans." John >> Lennon >> >> Check out http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun >> >> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> ?NFBF Newsline? chair >> www.nfbnewsline.org >> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> http://nfbfgoc.org >> Secretary FDCP INC >> www.fdcp.org >> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for blindtlk: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid >> . >> nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> ????list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >> of the >> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >> the BN and >> ask questions when they're having technical >> problems.?Here's the >> link: >> www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> .? >> In >> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >> to the BN >> list and forward you any responses off list.? >> Hope this helps! >> >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >> format >> documents into word >> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have >> to use your >> Braille note to >> do it because there is no program that will translate >> and convert >> Keyword >> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >> (.doc) >> documents, unless >> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >> and then use >> a program >> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >> will need >> Duxbury >> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >> license if you >> don't >> already have it--you can although try it for free but >> some >> functions will be >> disabled) >> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to >> send another >> message off list >> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >> is good >> practice for >> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >> assistive >> technology. >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On Behalf >> Of Andi >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >> ask.?I use to >> use my brail >> >> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >> wondering if >> there is a >> >> program to change the files from the brail document to >> a word >> document? >> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >> simpaler to >> use the >> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? >> thank you so much >> for your >> help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Andrews >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org >> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >> First Portable >> Camera >> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >> Reading >> System >> to Support Touchscreen >> for People with Low Vision >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >> Inc.?( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >> www.visionaid-international.**com >> ) >> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The >> Readit Wand is a >> portable >> camera that >> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >> documents >> for >> the visually impaired. >> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >> more with >> ease >> using the Readit >> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will >> be read in a >> clear, >> human-sounding >> voice.?The ability to read all of these items >> makes Readit Wand >> the >> perfect tool >> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >> via USB. >> The >> 5-megapixel camera >> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >> recognition >> in as >> little as two >> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand >> allows for >> automatic >> multi-language >> switching when other languages are installed.? >> The portability >> and >> multiple language >> support make it the ideal tool for students who are >> learning a >> foreign language. >> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >> that >> allows >> you to save, load, >> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? >> Importing PDF >> files >> into the Readit >> software enables users to read PDF files that >> originally are >> inaccessible because >> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also >> allows you to >> save >> documents as >> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >> document as an >> MP3 >> file to listen >> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >> access >> toolbar >> designed specifically >> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the >> ability to adjust >> the >> size of the >> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >> all the basic >> controls enabling >> low vision users to capture their document, change the >> view to >> their >> preference and >> more at the click of a button. >> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >> different >> types >> of highlights, >> as well as six different ways to display text, >> allowing low >> vision >> users to customize >> the software to their personal preference. >> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >> Wand is the >> first >> portable camera >> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >> users the >> ability >> to interact >> with the software by simply using their fingers!? 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So, we might be able to work >> jointly >> with ACB on this.?What does >> everyone think? >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> day in mi >> >> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> ?Thoughts on this? >> >> ?Chris >> >> ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities >> motto) >> >> ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >> can!" How? Click >> ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >> at I C.A.N. >> ?Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" > ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >> this day in mi >> ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >> >> ?A Call to Action ? >> >> ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >> with Disabilities >> ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >> >> ?A Public Report on >> ?Polling Place >> >> ?Accessibility in Michigan >> >> ?Public Report by >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> >> ?2011 >> >> ?Acknowledgements >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >> is Michigan? >> ?designated agency to advocate and protect the >> legal rights of >> ?persons with disabilities, mandated >> ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives >> funding from the >> ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >> the center for >> ?Mental Health Services ?Substance >> ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >> the >> ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >> Social Security >> ?Administration, the State of Michigan >> ?and from private donations. >> >> ?Funding for this report has been made possible >> through the U.S. >> ?Department of Health and Human Services, >> Administration for >> ?Children and Families, and the >> ?Administration on Developmental >> Disabilities.?The contents are >> ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not >> necessarily >> ?represent the official views >> ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >> Services. >> >> ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, Inc.?This >> ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its >> entirety for >> ?noncommercial purposes as long >> ?as appropriate credit is given. >> >> ?Table of Contents >> >> ?Executive >> >> >> >> >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >> ? >> ..............................**.....................5 >> >> ?Midterm >> >> >> >> >> Report........................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**...........................6 >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >> >> >> >> >> Project.......................**..............................**..... >> ?.........7 >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election >> ? >> Officials.....................**.................10 >> >> ?Next >> >> >> >> >> Steps.........................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**..............................**..11 >> >> ?In >> >> >> >> >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**..............................**..11 >> >> ?Accessibility Rate Per >> >> >> >> >> County........................**..............................**..... >> ?.............................**...13 >> >> ?Executive Summary >> >> ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >> obstacles at voting >> ?locations often because their polling place >> lacks physical >> ?accessibility.?The Help America >> ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >> obstacles faced by >> voters >> ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the >> federally >> ?mandated Protection and Advocacy >> ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >> barriers. >> ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >> targeted for >> ?elimination in the President? proposed >> ?2012 budget. >> >> ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, (MPAS), >> ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >> with helping to ensure >> ?the full participation of >> ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral >> process, >> including >> ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >> accessing polling >> ?places. >> >> ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >> that every >> ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >> to their >> polling >> ?location and has the opportunity >> ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS >> staff members are on >> ?the ground providing advice, technical >> assistance, and training >> ?to election officials about >> ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of >> disabilities.?The >> ?agency also provides outreach and training to >> voters with >> ?disabilities, poll workers, and >> ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >> of State of Michigan >> ?partnered over the past six years working toward >> this goal, >> which >> ?has been effective in >> ?increasing physical access to polling locations >> throughout >> ?Michigan. >> >> ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >> United States >> ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >> subject to intense >> ?public scrutiny each election >> ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections >> prohibit >> ?discrimination against people with disabilities >> in the electoral >> ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional >> ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge >> for individuals >> ?with disabilities despite changes made to >> federal and state laws >> ?intended to ensure full >> ?participation. >> >> ?Key Summary >> >> ???젨잻isability advocates >> have visited 95% (3,457) and >> ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >> Michigan. >> >> ???젨쟖pon initial review, >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >> polling places >> were >> ?compliant under the Americans >> ?with Disabilities Act. >> >> ???젨잸fter working with >> state and local officials, it is >> ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >> will be increased >> ?to 90% in 2012. >> >> ???젨쟏f the locations that >> were inaccessible, 60% had one >> ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >> had three or more >> ?types of barriers. >> >> ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 >> counties in Michigan were 100% >> ?physically accessible upon initial visit. >> >> ???젨쟋PAS continues to >> receive complaints regarding the >> ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >> device. >> >> ?Michigan has made great strides toward >> accessibility at the >> ?polls.?This report will highlight the >> steps taken to ensure >> that >> ?all polling locations throughout >> ?Michigan are accessible to voters with >> disabilities.?In >> ?addition, the report will offer recommendations >> for Michigan to >> ?achieve and maintain an accessibility >> ?rate of 100%. >> >> ?2010 Mid Term Report >> >> ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >> the country, >> ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >> in 2002.?HAVA >> ?included sweeping legislation >> ?intended to modernize the electoral system for >> all voters, >> ?including those with disabilities.?The >> Help America Vote Act >> ?reinforced the application of >> ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >> and Section 504 >> ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >> 2004, Michigan >> ?lawmakers amended Michigan election >> ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >> removal of physical >> ?barriers at polling locations.? >> Irrespective of both federal and >> ?state law, 25% of Michigan's >> ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible >> for the November >> ?2010 general election.?To achieve an >> all-encompassing voting >> ?standard for the fifty states, >> ?HAVA included two key components for the >> disability community: >> >> ???젨잸ll polling places >> must have at least one voting system >> ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >> privately and >> ?independently, whether or not one >> ?has a disability. >> >> ???젨쟔tates must ensure >> accessibility at all public polling >> ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans >> with >> Disabilities >> ?Act (ADA). >> >> ?Accessible Voting System >> >> ?In 2004, the disability community and the >> Michigan Secretary of >> ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >> assessing which >> ?accessible device would best >> ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >> selected the >> ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible >> ballot marking device >> ?that can be used by all voters >> ?with or without disabilities. >> >> ?Although every polling location is equipped with >> the AutoMARK, >> ?each municipality is responsible for making sure >> it is set up >> and >> ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, >> ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >> AutoMARK.?Voter >> ?complaints have included the following:? >> the AutoMARK was boxed >> ?up on Election Day, unplugged, >> ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >> could see the >> ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >> jammed ballots have been >> ?greatly reduced since the >> ?last round of updates were completed.? >> Because the AutoMARK is >> ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >> feedback to >> ?correct these kinds of problems. >> ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >> complaints as they >> ?arise. >> >> ?Accessible Polling Places >> >> ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >> money to assist >> with >> ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the >> AutoMARK, but also >> ?to help municipalities >> ?make their polling places physically >> accessible.?Congress >> ?recognized that in order for people to use the >> accessible voting >> ?machines, the building must >> ?also be accessible so voters can access the >> polling location and >> ?voting equipment.?It is the local election >> officials? >> ?responsibility to make sure all >> ?polling locations are accessible on Election >> Day.?To help cover >> ?the expense for removing barriers at polling >> locations, the >> ?Michigan BOE administers a >> ?grant program called Access for All, under the >> U.S.?Department >> ?of Health and Human Services with funding >> allocated through >> HAVA, >> ?to help the state comply >> ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the >> Access for All grants >> ?cover all costs associated with accessibility >> upgrades for >> ?polling locations. >> >> ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement >> provisions under HAVA >> was >> ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >> required to complete an >> ?accessibility checklist >> ?to determine whether or not their locations were >> accessible. >> ?This was one of the state? first attempts to >> gather information >> ?on Michigan? polling place >> ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >> other organizations >> ?were working closely with individual election >> officials on >> ?polling location reviews and >> ?were also training the municipal clerks on the >> accessibility >> ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a >> considerable amount of time >> ?assisting clerks with assessing >> ?the accessibility of their polling locations and >> helping them >> ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >> found that the >> ?accessibility data provided by >> ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >> reliable. >> >> ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >> (BOE) attention >> and >> ?shared independent accessibility reviews with >> them.?The BOE has >> ?since increased efforts >> ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >> communication >> ?and requiring additional documentation from the >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >> polling locations >> ?randomly, without notifying the election >> official in advance. >> ?After compiling this data on >> ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >> of >> ?inaccessibility became a heightened >> concern.?Once these >> concerns >> ?were communicated to the Bureau of >> ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >> dramatically >> ?increasing their involvement in the advancement >> of polling place >> ?accessibility. >> >> ?This same year, the federal government began >> reviewing how the >> ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >> fueled speculation that >> ?the federal government would >> ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >> some states had >> ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an >> account and >> ?allowing the funds to gain >> ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would >> pull the allocated >> funds >> ?completely, which would prevent municipalities >> from accessing >> ?money to make polling places >> ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >> of Elections, >> ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >> accessibility at all >> ?Michigan polling places. >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >> >> ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >> of a statewide >> ?plan to reach 100% polling place >> accessibility.?MPAS and the >> ?Bureau of Elections strengthened >> ?their partnership in order to achieve this >> goal.?Within this >> ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >> locations throughout >> ?the state.?Michigan has >> ?approximately 3,600 polling places in >> total.?MPAS had already >> ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior >> to 2010, >> ?therefore, did not revisit those >> ?locations (some were initially accessible and >> others MPAS worked >> ?closely with clerks to improve >> accessibility.?MPAS is still >> ?working with clerks to bring >> ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >> into compliance). >> ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >> polling locations in >> ?2010. >> >> ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >> least 95% of the >> ?polling places in Michigan. >> >> ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >> nearly 25% of the >> ?polling places that remained physically >> inaccessible as required >> ?by the Americans with >> ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >> 2,927 were assessed >> ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG >> as a benchmark to >> ?determine physical accessibility, >> ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >> locations visited, >> ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the >> ADAAG ? >> barriers >> ?that create potential >> ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on >> Election Day. >> >> ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >> from fully >> ?participating in all aspects of society because >> of their >> ?disability.?This might include >> architectural >> ?barriers, physical barriers, communication >> barriers, attitudinal >> ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? >> Throughout this project, >> MPAS? >> ?reviews focused primarily >> ?on physical and external barriers, which are >> defined as >> something >> ?material that blocks passage.?Physical >> barriers addressed in >> ?this report include objects >> ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >> doorways, >> ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >> inaccessible door >> ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >> >> ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >> 2010, 28% did not >> ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on >> discussions with the BOE >> ?in 2008, when MPAS completed >> ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >> notified with a >> ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >> they were also >> ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. >> ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >> municipalities >> ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >> letters contained a >> ?photograph of the problem area(s), >> ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? >> Within a five month >> ?period, letters were sent to over 440 >> municipalities concerning >> ?approximately 800 polling >> ?locations. >> >> ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places >> visited in 2010 had >> ?some type of physical barrier present at the >> time of review. >> >> ?The following chart highlights the most common >> number of >> physical >> ?barriers discovered at each location. >> >> ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only >> one physical >> ?barrier present.?While the largest and >> most frequent problem >> was >> ?related to parking, the types >> ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in >> the following >> ?chart. >> >> ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >> accessible parking >> ?but no signs posted?Parking:? >> locations that had no parking >> ?designated or noncompliant access >> ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that >> existed between access aisles >> and >> ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >> door width, door >> ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >> ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >> ramps, handrails, >> ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election Officials >> >> ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >> notified municipal >> ?clerks of locations where barriers were >> discovered.?Within a >> ?four-month period, over 440 >> ?letters were sent to election officials.? >> By the end of 2010, >> 88% >> ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >> plan of >> correction. >> ?In addition, MPAS >> ?provided technical assistance to the election >> officials on how >> to >> ?improve access to their polling location in >> order to come into >> ?compliance.젨잹ased on >> ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >> us they were >> ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected >> the barriers at >> ?the polling locations; 9% >> ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; >> and the remaining >> ?responses varied from clerk using temporary >> equipment. >> >> ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >> completed, MPAS >> ?required documentation from each clerk proving >> or stating that >> ?the work had been completed, >> ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase >> orders.?A >> ?majority of the clerks responded either with a >> plan of >> correction >> ?for spring 2011 or with a >> ?statement that the work was completed.? >> MPAS is still waiting >> for >> ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done >> sufficiently. >> Once >> ?the removal of barriers >> ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS >> expects Michigan? >> ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to >> nearly 90 % ?-- >> ?one of the highest in the nation. >> ?There remains, however, substantial work to be >> completed in the >> ?city of Detroit in order to reach this >> goal.?The remaining 12% >> ?of clerks, who did not respond >> ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >> correction, >> will >> ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >> accessibility. >> >> ?NEXT STEPS >> >> ?While the focus of this report has been on >> reaching the 90% >> ?accessibility rate, there would still be >> approximately 10% of >> ?polling locations in Michigan >> ?that are not accessible to all voters.? >> Some clerks disagree >> with >> ?the findings and MPAS is working with those >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >> polling locations >> ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >> breaking them >> into >> ?three categories: failure >> ?to communicate; work promised but documentation >> still needed; >> and >> ?locations requiring review by MPAS. >> >> ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials >> who have failed >> ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? >> This may involve >> ?revisiting the location (some >> ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail >> to respond), >> ?attending city council/township meetings, filing >> official HAVA >> ?complaints, and/or pursuing >> ?legal action under different funding >> sources.?MPAS?goal has >> ?always been to educate clerks and assist them >> with improving >> ?access first by proposing solutions >> ?to removing barriers. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >> monitoring the >> ?correction plans that election officials have >> submitted to >> ensure >> ?that barriers are removed. >> ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >> locations that have >> ?not been visited yet. >> >> ?In Summary >> >> ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >> between MPAS and >> the >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >> crucial.?The state >> ?reinforced the necessity of >> ?accessible elections.?They followed up >> with each municipality >> ?whose polling place was noted as being >> inaccessible in order to >> ?determine the jurisdiction's >> ?planned course of action.?In addition, the >> BOE coordinated and >> ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement >> grant well into >> the >> ?fall to assist municipalities >> ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> >> ?Local election officials can either upgrade >> their polling places >> ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the >> polling place to >> ?an accessible site.?The >> ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >> project, they >> ?have seen a large increase in the number of >> municipalities >> ?applying for grant money.?In >> ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >> extended the >> ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >> additional >> ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? >> ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >> funds.?The >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >> applications, the >> ?largest amount ever received >> ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >> applications, 66 >> ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >> plan of >> ?correction - 89% of those who applied. >> ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to >> apply when the >> ?next grant period opens in early 2011. >> >> ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >> proposed >> budget >> ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >> partnership with the >> ?Secretary of State, ensuring >> ?all elections are accessible to all >> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >> ?encourages clerks to reach out to local >> disability groups for >> ?future trainings.?Listed >> ?below are additional recommendations moving >> forward. >> >> ?Summary/Recommendations: >> >> ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be >> required to notify the Bureau of >> ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. >> >> ???젨잸ccessibility checks >> should be completed when clerks >> ?change polling locations, to verify >> accessibility.?Reports >> (with >> ?photographs) should be submitted >> ?to the Bureau of Elections. >> >> ???젨쟍ew polling locations >> must be required to adhere to the >> ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >> Guidelines. >> >> ???젨쟕he advisory committee >> in charge of amending the State >> ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >> ways to hold >> ?clerks accountable and implement >> ?model oversight programs. >> >> ???젨잸ccess for All grant >> money should be available >> throughout >> ?the year, so accessibility problems can be >> addressed anytime >> they >> ?arise. >> >> ???젨쟕he Bureau of >> Elections and local clerks should continue >> ?working with disability advocacy organizations >> to complete >> ?year-round polling place accessibility >> ?audits and training to clerks. >> >> ?Accessibility Rate by County >> >> ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >> >> ?County >> >> ?Polling Locations >> >> ?Visited >> >> ?Accessible >> >> ?Barriers Discovered >> >> ?Percent Visited >> >> ?% Accessible of those Visited >> >> ?Now Complete >> >> ?% Now Accessible >> >> ?Alcona >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Alger >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Allegan >> >> ?37 >> >> ?37 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?95% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Alpena >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Antrim >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Arenac >> >> ?14 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Baraga >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?17% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?33% >> >> ?Barry >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Bay >> >> ?49 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Benzie >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?46% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Berrien >> >> ?57 >> >> ?57 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Branch >> >> ?18 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Calhoun >> >> ?46 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Cass >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Charlevoix >> >> ?18 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Cheboygan >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Chippewa >> >> ?19 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?72% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clare >> >> ?19 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?84% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clinton >> >> ?28 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Crawford >> >> ?7 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Delta >> >> ?21 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Dickinson >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?40% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Eaton >> >> ?36 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Emmet >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Genesee >> >> ?119 >> >> ?109 >> >> ?84 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Gladwin >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Gogebic >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Grand Traverse >> >> ?28 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Gratiot >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Hillsdale >> >> ?21 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Houghton >> >> ?31 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?41% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?64% >> >> ?Huron >> >> ?30 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Ingham >> >> ?95 >> >> ?81 >> >> ?78 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?85% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Ionia >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Iosco >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?93% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Iron >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Isabella >> >> ?25 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Jackson >> >> ?47 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Kalamazoo >> >> ?97 >> >> ?97 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?7 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Kalkaska >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Kent >> >> ?209 >> >> ?207 >> >> ?174 >> >> ?33 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?11 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Keweenaw >> >> ?5 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Lake >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Lapeer >> >> ?24 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?83% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Leelanau >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Lenawee >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Livingston >> >> ?48 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Luce >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Mackinac >> >> ?13 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Macomb >> >> ?235 >> >> ?233 >> >> ?188 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?17 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Manistee >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?73% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Marquette >> >> ?29 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?59% >> >> ?Mason >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Mecosta >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Menominee >> >> ?16 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?57% >> >> ?Midland >> >> ?38 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?76% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Missaukee >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Monroe >> >> ?42 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Montcalm >> >> ?26 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Montmorency >> >> ?9 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Muskegon >> >> ?72 >> >> ?71 >> >> ?68 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?Newaygo >> >> ?28 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oakland >> >> ?410 >> >> ?380 >> >> ?292 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?46 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oceana >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Ogemaw >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Ontonagon >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?30% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?30% >> >> ?Osceola >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oscoda >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Otsego >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Ottawa >> >> ?88 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?90% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Presque Isle >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?81% >> >> ?Roscommon >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Saginaw >> >> ?75 >> >> ?75 >> >> ?61 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Sanilac >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?87% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Schoolcraft >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Shiawassee >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?74% >> >> ?St.?Clair >> >> ?52 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?44 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?St.?Joseph >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Tuscola >> >> ?25 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Van Buren >> >> ?23 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?Washtenaw >> >> ?106 >> >> ?100 >> >> ?70 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?70% >> >> ?Wayne >> >> ?568 >> >> ?519 >> >> ?325 >> >> ?194 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?28 >> >> ?68% >> >> ?Wexford >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Total >> >> ?3635 >> >> ?3457 >> >> ?2579 >> >> ?878 >> >> ?95.10% >> >> ?74.60% >> >> ?289 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?table end >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >> From: Katie Wang > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web >> Braille. Instead, when you >> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >> on your Braille >> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >> to save the >> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >> each braille volume >> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >> this multiple >> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >> than one volume. >> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >> it a great >> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >> more in the past >> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >> larger, more >> current collection. >> ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >> on your end-- It >> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >> contacting your state >> NLS library again and see if they can get you >> some?sort of technical >> support contact info. Someone from the central >> program >> that >> administers the Web Braille service might need to look >> into your >> situation. >> ?Hope this helps! >> 젨쟇atie >> >> >> On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: >> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >> in it says my user >> name and password is wrong. I have called and >> gotten it changed three >> times and it still says it. wonder what I am >> doing wrong. >> >> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >> users! I recently >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >> forward to all it has >> to offer.?But I do have this question: >> when I click on a link >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >> or something where I >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >> BrailleNote? I tried to >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >> last night, and when >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >> actual book to read >> online, but I wanted to download the book to >> read it in my >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >> date.?How can I do this? >> Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >> (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >> "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to >> contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >> Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole >> 1988%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati >> e6%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >> one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers >> generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are more >> objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update >> it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >> maybe you need sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >> be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >> family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >> myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >> charset="Windows-1252"; >> ????reply-type=original >> >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >> to discuss something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >> was one of the things I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to >> post online, I'd like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >> are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention >> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >> the help they have >> provided me over the past week. However, I thought >> I >> would also send out a >> general message to thank anyone I may have missed >> along the way. My >> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >> go, but it was exactly >> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >> such a public email >> list. >> >> Since the last time I checked the messages on this >> list was before >> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >> already said what >> happened, or at least their version of the story. >> However, I have already >> shared my version of the story about a million times >> by now, so if you are >> curious as to what happened, you will just have to >> wait for another time. >> >> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. >> I >> just wanted to show >> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >> the way. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Yes. >> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >> people to discuss >> something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >> that was one of the things >> I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to post online, I'd >> like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >> they are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >> blind people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still >> have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >> more than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that >> are more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do >> you update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your >> story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips >> need to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same >> site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a >> word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, >> and religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Amy Sabo > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >> , >> ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, >> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> ????< >> >> >> 1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. >> ca.mail.comcast.net >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" >> >> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >> (AIM) was about 2 years >> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >> the way, it was the >> FS >> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now >> it >> is inaccessible with >> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >> using? Which >> operating system? Which version of aim? >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On >> Behalf >> Of Amy Sabo >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >> STUDENTS, COLORADO >> ASSOCIATION >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >> From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >> I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >> Thanks, >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> **************************************** >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >> tia%40yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >> tia%40yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessmonsilva2003%40sbcglobal.net From daviddod at buffalo.edu Fri Jul 15 02:54:59 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:54:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It would be possible to stay at Rosen Center and go to the convention from there. A lot of people did that. So, those people would get the help in the hotel but perhaps less so at the convention itself. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Jessica wrote: > As much as I liked Orlando having it there for 5 years is insane. > From my experience I stayed at both hotels and found Rosen center much more > helpful. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:21 PM, David Dodge wrote: > > > Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than > I > > did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and > > they were by far the best so far. > > > > David > > ---------------------------------- > > David Dodge > > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > > State University of New York Student Assembly > > English Major > > University at Buffalo > > 306 Clemens Hall > > Buffalo, NY 14260 > > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > > > > 2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum > > > >> Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard > >> has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law > Symposium > >> in May. I don't know though, just a guess. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > >> > >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have > the > >> ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn > more > >> and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > >> C.A.N. Foundation. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > >> > >> Anmol, > >> Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? > That > >> hasn't happened before. > >> Do you know if its in the same hotel? > >> Ashley > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Anmol Bhatia > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > >> > >> It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be > held > >> in Orlando. > >> > >> Anmol > >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. > Perhaps > >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a > breeze > >> among flowers. > >> Hellen Keller > >> > >> > >> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> From: Humberto Avila avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > >> >> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM > >> I didn't send that message. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] > >> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > >> > >> Humberto, > >> > >> I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from > >> Dr. Maurer at > >> this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would > >> be in > >> Orlando, making it six years. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > >> motto) > >> > >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth > >> in > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? > >> Click > >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > >> C.A.N. > >> Foundation. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Anmol Bhatia >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> >> Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > >> > >> The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six > >> > >> years. > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti >> wrote: > >> > >> From: Rachael Vacanti >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM > >> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? > >> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's > >> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't > >> leave until the next > >> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun > >> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out > >> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the > >> beach, Citywalk and Bubba > >> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? > >> Because there were too many > >> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome > >> and I had a great time, > >> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit > >> more.?I looked at > >> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't > >> "required".?General > >> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. > >> > >> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they > >> announce the state > >> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it > >> once and I don't think > >> he even told me where it was.?The states should get > >> them sorted out before > >> convention and email their state this is when and where > >> it > >> is.?I know that > >> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but > >> they did a very good > >> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. > >> > >> Rachael > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, >> wrote: > >> > >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > >> ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > >> visit > >> ????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body > >> 'help' to > >> ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > >> more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando > >> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) > >> 젨?. Re: question about brail to word > >> program? (Chris Nusbaum) > >> 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access > >> issues to this day in mi > >> ???(Josh Gregory) > >> 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille > >> (Katie Wang) > >> 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites > >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > >> sites (Joshua Lester) > >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > >> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > >> 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National > >> Convention (Elizabeth) > >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal > >> sites (Joshua Lester) > >> ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) > >> ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) > >> ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----- > >> ----- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 > >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: NABS list , > >> NFBMD list , > >> NFB > >> ????history list >> Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for > >> 5 years > >> Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com< > 4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > >> format=flowed > >> > >> > >> > >> ?---- Original Message ------ > >> From: "Sherri" >> Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years > >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 > >> > >> It was announced at the convention that conventions > >> from 2013 > >> through 2017 > >> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend > >> the length of > >> the convention > >> back to how it was and NFB would > >> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That > >> way, people could > >> get excited > >> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I > >> liked the old > >> schedule much > >> better.?If we are going to keep people here for > >> five years in a > >> row, we need > >> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of > >> all there is > >> to do in > >> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night > >> before the last > >> day of > >> convention. > >> > >> > >> Sherri Brun > >> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making > >> other > >> plans." John > >> Lennon > >> > >> Check out http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun< > http://www.raceforindependence.org/goto/Sherri.Brun> > >> > >> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com > >> ?NFBF Newsline? chair > >> www.nfbnewsline.org > >> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter > >> http://nfbfgoc.org > >> Secretary FDCP INC > >> www.fdcp.org > >> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> blindtlk mailing list > >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info > >> for blindtlk: > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid> > >> . > >> nusbaum%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 > >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> ????list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > >> program? > >> Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com< > 4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > >> format=flowed > >> > >> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users > >> of the > >> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding > >> the BN and > >> ask questions when they're having technical > >> problems.?Here's the > >> link: > >> www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote< > http://www.list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote> > >> .? > >> In > >> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question > >> to the BN > >> list and forward you any responses off list.? > >> Hope this helps! > >> > >> ?Chris > >> > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > >> Abilities motto) > >> > >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > >> youth in > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > >> How? Click > >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > >> C.A.N. > >> Foundation. > >> > >> > >> > >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote > >> > >> ?----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Humberto Avila" avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> > >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list'" > >> >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > >> program? > >> > >> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native > >> format > >> documents into word > >> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have > >> to use your > >> Braille note to > >> do it because there is no program that will translate > >> and convert > >> Keyword > >> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word > >> (.doc) > >> documents, unless > >> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, > >> and then use > >> a program > >> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you > >> will need > >> Duxbury > >> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the > >> license if you > >> don't > >> already have it--you can although try it for free but > >> some > >> functions will be > >> disabled) > >> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to > >> send another > >> message off list > >> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this > >> is good > >> practice for > >> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching > >> assistive > >> technology. > >> Cheers,?Humberto > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] > >> On Behalf > >> Of Andi > >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list > >> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word > >> program? > >> > >> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to > >> ask.?I use to > >> use my brail > >> > >> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was > >> wondering if > >> there is a > >> > >> program to change the files from the brail document to > >> a word > >> document? > >> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the > >> simpaler to > >> use the > >> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? > >> thank you so much > >> for your > >> help. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: David Andrews > >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM > >> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org > >> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: > >> First Portable > >> Camera > >> Reading System to Support Touchscreen > >> > >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera > >> Reading > >> System > >> to Support Touchscreen > >> for People with Low Vision > >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, > >> Inc.?( > >> www.gwmicro.com) > >> and VisionAid International Ltd ( > >> www.visionaid-international.**com< > http://www.visionaid-international.com> > >> ) > >> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The > >> Readit Wand is a > >> portable > >> camera that > >> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read > >> documents > >> for > >> the visually impaired. > >> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and > >> more with > >> ease > >> using the Readit > >> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will > >> be read in a > >> clear, > >> human-sounding > >> voice.?The ability to read all of these items > >> makes Readit Wand > >> the > >> perfect tool > >> for the classroom, at home, or at work. > >> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects > >> via USB. > >> The > >> 5-megapixel camera > >> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for > >> recognition > >> in as > >> little as two > >> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand > >> allows for > >> automatic > >> multi-language > >> switching when other languages are installed.? > >> The portability > >> and > >> multiple language > >> support make it the ideal tool for students who are > >> learning a > >> foreign language. > >> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software > >> that > >> allows > >> you to save, load, > >> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? > >> Importing PDF > >> files > >> into the Readit > >> software enables users to read PDF files that > >> originally are > >> inaccessible because > >> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also > >> allows you to > >> save > >> documents as > >> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your > >> document as an > >> MP3 > >> file to listen > >> to it on your favorite MP3 player. > >> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy > >> access > >> toolbar > >> designed specifically > >> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the > >> ability to adjust > >> the > >> size of the > >> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to > >> all the basic > >> controls enabling > >> low vision users to capture their document, change the > >> view to > >> their > >> preference and > >> more at the click of a button. > >> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 > >> different > >> types > >> of highlights, > >> as well as six different ways to display text, > >> allowing low > >> vision > >> users to customize > >> the software to their personal preference. > >> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit > >> Wand is the > >> first > >> portable camera > >> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision > >> users the > >> ability > >> to interact > >> with the software by simply using their fingers!? > >> This means no > >> more > >> tracking the > >> cursor, which provides direct interaction between the > >> user and > >> the > >> Readit software, > >> creating the best possible user experience. > >> GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the > >> Readit Wand > >> in > >> the U.S., developed > >> and manufactured by VisionAid International, located > >> in the > >> UK.?Readit Wand will > >> be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. > >> For more information on the Readit Wand, visit > >> www.gwmicro.com, > >> email > >> sales at gwmicro.com > >> , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. > >> GW Micro, Inc.?( > >> www.gwmicro.com) > >> has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > >> industry > >> since 1990, > >> and > >> continues to lead with innovative, customer driven > >> solutions. > >> VisionAid International, Ltd ( > >> www.visionaid-international.**com< > http://www.visionaid-international.com> > >> ), > >> established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, > >> effective > >> and > >> simple to use > >> devices for people who are partially sighted and blind > >> that make > >> reading a pleasure > >> once again. > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info > >> for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**adrianne< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne> > >> . > >> dempsey%40g > >> mail.com > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info > >> for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber> > >> t.humberto2 > >> %40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info > >> for nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu> > >> sbaum%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 > >> From: Josh Gregory >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> ????list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > >> issues to this day > >> ????in mi > >> Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.**ffffc150 at mx.google.com< > 4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; > >> format=flowed > >> > >> Hi, > >> OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each > >> other's > >> competetors/enemies/whatever.?**So, at the moment > >> anyway, I doubt > >> it. > >> Best, > >> Josh > >> > >> sent from my Apex > >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > >> > >> ?----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list >> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > >> issues to this > >> day in mi > >> > >> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to > >> ensure > >> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the > >> Help > >> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work > >> jointly > >> with ACB on this.?What does > >> everyone think? > >> ?Chris > >> > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > >> Abilities motto) > >> > >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired > >> youth in > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" > >> How? Click > >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > >> C.A.N. > >> Foundation. > >> > >> > >> > >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote > >> > >> ?----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list > >> >> Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access > >> issues to this > >> day in mi > >> > >> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: > >> ?Thoughts on this? > >> > >> ?Chris > >> > >> ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp > >> Abilities > >> motto) > >> > >> ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > >> impaired youth in > >> ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I > >> can!" How? Click > >> ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: > >> ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook > >> at I C.A.N. > >> ?Foundation. > >> > >> > >> > >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote > >> > >> ?---- Original Message ------ > >> ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" >> ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to > >> this day in mi > >> ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 > >> > >> ?A Call to Action ? > >> > >> ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters > >> with Disabilities > >> ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 > >> > >> ?A Public Report on > >> ?Polling Place > >> > >> ?Accessibility in Michigan > >> > >> ?Public Report by > >> > >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. > >> > >> ?2011 > >> > >> ?Acknowledgements > >> > >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) > >> is Michigan? > >> ?designated agency to advocate and protect the > >> legal rights of > >> ?persons with disabilities, mandated > >> ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives > >> funding from the > >> ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, > >> the center for > >> ?Mental Health Services ?Substance > >> ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, > >> the > >> ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the > >> Social Security > >> ?Administration, the State of Michigan > >> ?and from private donations. > >> > >> ?Funding for this report has been made possible > >> through the U.S. > >> ?Department of Health and Human Services, > >> Administration for > >> ?Children and Families, and the > >> ?Administration on Developmental > >> Disabilities.?The contents are > >> ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not > >> necessarily > >> ?represent the official views > >> ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human > >> Services. > >> > >> ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy > >> Service, Inc.?This > >> ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its > >> entirety for > >> ?noncommercial purposes as long > >> ?as appropriate credit is given. > >> > >> ?Table of Contents > >> > >> ?Executive > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... > >> ? > >> ..............................**.....................5 > >> > >> ?Midterm > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Report........................**..............................**..... > >> ? > >> > >> ..............................**...........................6 > >> > >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Project.......................**..............................**..... > >> ?.........7 > >> > >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > >> Election > >> ? > >> Officials.....................**.................10 > >> > >> ?Next > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Steps.........................**..............................**..... > >> ? > >> > >> ..............................**..............................**..11 > >> > >> ?In > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... > >> ? > >> > >> ..............................**..............................**..11 > >> > >> ?Accessibility Rate Per > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> County........................**..............................**..... > >> ?.............................**...13 > >> > >> ?Executive Summary > >> > >> ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face > >> obstacles at voting > >> ?locations often because their polling place > >> lacks physical > >> ?accessibility.?The Help America > >> ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique > >> obstacles faced by > >> voters > >> ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the > >> federally > >> ?mandated Protection and Advocacy > >> ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove > >> barriers. > >> ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been > >> targeted for > >> ?elimination in the President? proposed > >> ?2012 budget. > >> > >> ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy > >> Service, (MPAS), > >> ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies > >> with helping to ensure > >> ?the full participation of > >> ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral > >> process, > >> including > >> ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and > >> accessing polling > >> ?places. > >> > >> ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure > >> that every > >> ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access > >> to their > >> polling > >> ?location and has the opportunity > >> ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS > >> staff members are on > >> ?the ground providing advice, technical > >> assistance, and training > >> ?to election officials about > >> ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of > >> disabilities.?The > >> ?agency also provides outreach and training to > >> voters with > >> ?disabilities, poll workers, and > >> ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary > >> of State of Michigan > >> ?partnered over the past six years working toward > >> this goal, > >> which > >> ?has been effective in > >> ?increasing physical access to polling locations > >> throughout > >> ?Michigan. > >> > >> ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the > >> United States > >> ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and > >> subject to intense > >> ?public scrutiny each election > >> ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections > >> prohibit > >> ?discrimination against people with disabilities > >> in the electoral > >> ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional > >> ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge > >> for individuals > >> ?with disabilities despite changes made to > >> federal and state laws > >> ?intended to ensure full > >> ?participation. > >> > >> ?Key Summary > >> > >> ???젨잻isability advocates > >> have visited 95% (3,457) and > >> ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in > >> Michigan. > >> > >> ???젨쟖pon initial review, > >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy > >> ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan > >> polling places > >> were > >> ?compliant under the Americans > >> ?with Disabilities Act. > >> > >> ???젨잸fter working with > >> state and local officials, it is > >> ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate > >> will be increased > >> ?to 90% in 2012. > >> > >> ???젨쟏f the locations that > >> were inaccessible, 60% had one > >> ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% > >> had three or more > >> ?types of barriers. > >> > >> ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 > >> counties in Michigan were 100% > >> ?physically accessible upon initial visit. > >> > >> ???젨쟋PAS continues to > >> receive complaints regarding the > >> ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking > >> device. > >> > >> ?Michigan has made great strides toward > >> accessibility at the > >> ?polls.?This report will highlight the > >> steps taken to ensure > >> that > >> ?all polling locations throughout > >> ?Michigan are accessible to voters with > >> disabilities.?In > >> ?addition, the report will offer recommendations > >> for Michigan to > >> ?achieve and maintain an accessibility > >> ?rate of 100%. > >> > >> ?2010 Mid Term Report > >> > >> ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout > >> the country, > >> ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) > >> in 2002.?HAVA > >> ?included sweeping legislation > >> ?intended to modernize the electoral system for > >> all voters, > >> ?including those with disabilities.?The > >> Help America Vote Act > >> ?reinforced the application of > >> ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act > >> and Section 504 > >> ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in > >> 2004, Michigan > >> ?lawmakers amended Michigan election > >> ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the > >> removal of physical > >> ?barriers at polling locations.? > >> Irrespective of both federal and > >> ?state law, 25% of Michigan's > >> ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible > >> for the November > >> ?2010 general election.?To achieve an > >> all-encompassing voting > >> ?standard for the fifty states, > >> ?HAVA included two key components for the > >> disability community: > >> > >> ???젨잸ll polling places > >> must have at least one voting system > >> ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot > >> privately and > >> ?independently, whether or not one > >> ?has a disability. > >> > >> ???젨쟔tates must ensure > >> accessibility at all public polling > >> ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans > >> with > >> Disabilities > >> ?Act (ADA). > >> > >> ?Accessible Voting System > >> > >> ?In 2004, the disability community and the > >> Michigan Secretary of > >> ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully > >> assessing which > >> ?accessible device would best > >> ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 > >> selected the > >> ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible > >> ballot marking device > >> ?that can be used by all voters > >> ?with or without disabilities. > >> > >> ?Although every polling location is equipped with > >> the AutoMARK, > >> ?each municipality is responsible for making sure > >> it is set up > >> and > >> ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, > >> ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the > >> AutoMARK.?Voter > >> ?complaints have included the following:? > >> the AutoMARK was boxed > >> ?up on Election Day, unplugged, > >> ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters > >> could see the > >> ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning > >> jammed ballots have been > >> ?greatly reduced since the > >> ?last round of updates were completed.? > >> Because the AutoMARK is > >> ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter > >> feedback to > >> ?correct these kinds of problems. > >> ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to > >> complaints as they > >> ?arise. > >> > >> ?Accessible Polling Places > >> > >> ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated > >> money to assist > >> with > >> ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the > >> AutoMARK, but also > >> ?to help municipalities > >> ?make their polling places physically > >> accessible.?Congress > >> ?recognized that in order for people to use the > >> accessible voting > >> ?machines, the building must > >> ?also be accessible so voters can access the > >> polling location and > >> ?voting equipment.?It is the local election > >> officials? > >> ?responsibility to make sure all > >> ?polling locations are accessible on Election > >> Day.?To help cover > >> ?the expense for removing barriers at polling > >> locations, the > >> ?Michigan BOE administers a > >> ?grant program called Access for All, under the > >> U.S.?Department > >> ?of Health and Human Services with funding > >> allocated through > >> HAVA, > >> ?to help the state comply > >> ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the > >> Access for All grants > >> ?cover all costs associated with accessibility > >> upgrades for > >> ?polling locations. > >> > >> ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement > >> provisions under HAVA > >> was > >> ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were > >> required to complete an > >> ?accessibility checklist > >> ?to determine whether or not their locations were > >> accessible. > >> ?This was one of the state? first attempts to > >> gather information > >> ?on Michigan? polling place > >> ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and > >> other organizations > >> ?were working closely with individual election > >> officials on > >> ?polling location reviews and > >> ?were also training the municipal clerks on the > >> accessibility > >> ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a > >> considerable amount of time > >> ?assisting clerks with assessing > >> ?the accessibility of their polling locations and > >> helping them > >> ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS > >> found that the > >> ?accessibility data provided by > >> ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly > >> reliable. > >> > >> ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? > >> (BOE) attention > >> and > >> ?shared independent accessibility reviews with > >> them.?The BOE has > >> ?since increased efforts > >> ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving > >> communication > >> ?and requiring additional documentation from the > >> clerks. > >> > >> ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal > >> polling locations > >> ?randomly, without notifying the election > >> official in advance. > >> ?After compiling this data on > >> ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue > >> of > >> ?inaccessibility became a heightened > >> concern.?Once these > >> concerns > >> ?were communicated to the Bureau of > >> ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 > >> dramatically > >> ?increasing their involvement in the advancement > >> of polling place > >> ?accessibility. > >> > >> ?This same year, the federal government began > >> reviewing how the > >> ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This > >> fueled speculation that > >> ?the federal government would > >> ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since > >> some states had > >> ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an > >> account and > >> ?allowing the funds to gain > >> ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would > >> pull the allocated > >> funds > >> ?completely, which would prevent municipalities > >> from accessing > >> ?money to make polling places > >> ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau > >> of Elections, > >> ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% > >> accessibility at all > >> ?Michigan polling places. > >> > >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project > >> > >> ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework > >> of a statewide > >> ?plan to reach 100% polling place > >> accessibility.?MPAS and the > >> ?Bureau of Elections strengthened > >> ?their partnership in order to achieve this > >> goal.?Within this > >> ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all > >> locations throughout > >> ?the state.?Michigan has > >> ?approximately 3,600 polling places in > >> total.?MPAS had already > >> ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior > >> to 2010, > >> ?therefore, did not revisit those > >> ?locations (some were initially accessible and > >> others MPAS worked > >> ?closely with clerks to improve > >> accessibility.?MPAS is still > >> ?working with clerks to bring > >> ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations > >> into compliance). > >> ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 > >> polling locations in > >> ?2010. > >> > >> ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at > >> least 95% of the > >> ?polling places in Michigan. > >> > >> ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed > >> nearly 25% of the > >> ?polling places that remained physically > >> inaccessible as required > >> ?by the Americans with > >> ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. > >> > >> ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, > >> 2,927 were assessed > >> ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG > >> as a benchmark to > >> ?determine physical accessibility, > >> ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 > >> locations visited, > >> ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the > >> ADAAG ? > >> barriers > >> ?that create potential > >> ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on > >> Election Day. > >> > >> ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities > >> from fully > >> ?participating in all aspects of society because > >> of their > >> ?disability.?This might include > >> architectural > >> ?barriers, physical barriers, communication > >> barriers, attitudinal > >> ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? > >> Throughout this project, > >> MPAS? > >> ?reviews focused primarily > >> ?on physical and external barriers, which are > >> defined as > >> something > >> ?material that blocks passage.?Physical > >> barriers addressed in > >> ?this report include objects > >> ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or > >> doorways, > >> ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, > >> inaccessible door > >> ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. > >> > >> ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in > >> 2010, 28% did not > >> ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on > >> discussions with the BOE > >> ?in 2008, when MPAS completed > >> ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only > >> notified with a > >> ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but > >> they were also > >> ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. > >> ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the > >> municipalities > >> ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The > >> letters contained a > >> ?photograph of the problem area(s), > >> ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? > >> Within a five month > >> ?period, letters were sent to over 440 > >> municipalities concerning > >> ?approximately 800 polling > >> ?locations. > >> > >> ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places > >> visited in 2010 had > >> ?some type of physical barrier present at the > >> time of review. > >> > >> ?The following chart highlights the most common > >> number of > >> physical > >> ?barriers discovered at each location. > >> > >> ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only > >> one physical > >> ?barrier present.?While the largest and > >> most frequent problem > >> was > >> ?related to parking, the types > >> ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in > >> the following > >> ?chart. > >> > >> ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had > >> accessible parking > >> ?but no signs posted?Parking:? > >> locations that had no parking > >> ?designated or noncompliant access > >> ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that > >> existed between access aisles > >> and > >> ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as > >> door width, door > >> ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, > >> ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, > >> ramps, handrails, > >> ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. > >> > >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with > >> Election Officials > >> > >> ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS > >> notified municipal > >> ?clerks of locations where barriers were > >> discovered.?Within a > >> ?four-month period, over 440 > >> ?letters were sent to election officials.? > >> By the end of 2010, > >> 88% > >> ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a > >> plan of > >> correction. > >> ?In addition, MPAS > >> ?provided technical assistance to the election > >> officials on how > >> to > >> ?improve access to their polling location in > >> order to come into > >> ?compliance.젨잹ased on > >> ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed > >> us they were > >> ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected > >> the barriers at > >> ?the polling locations; 9% > >> ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; > >> and the remaining > >> ?responses varied from clerk using temporary > >> equipment. > >> > >> ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was > >> completed, MPAS > >> ?required documentation from each clerk proving > >> or stating that > >> ?the work had been completed, > >> ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase > >> orders.?A > >> ?majority of the clerks responded either with a > >> plan of > >> correction > >> ?for spring 2011 or with a > >> ?statement that the work was completed.? > >> MPAS is still waiting > >> for > >> ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done > >> sufficiently. > >> Once > >> ?the removal of barriers > >> ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS > >> expects Michigan? > >> ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to > >> nearly 90 % ?-- > >> ?one of the highest in the nation. > >> ?There remains, however, substantial work to be > >> completed in the > >> ?city of Detroit in order to reach this > >> goal.?The remaining 12% > >> ?of clerks, who did not respond > >> ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of > >> correction, > >> will > >> ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% > >> accessibility. > >> > >> ?NEXT STEPS > >> > >> ?While the focus of this report has been on > >> reaching the 90% > >> ?accessibility rate, there would still be > >> approximately 10% of > >> ?polling locations in Michigan > >> ?that are not accessible to all voters.? > >> Some clerks disagree > >> with > >> ?the findings and MPAS is working with those > >> clerks. > >> > >> ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of > >> polling locations > >> ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, > >> breaking them > >> into > >> ?three categories: failure > >> ?to communicate; work promised but documentation > >> still needed; > >> and > >> ?locations requiring review by MPAS. > >> > >> ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials > >> who have failed > >> ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? > >> This may involve > >> ?revisiting the location (some > >> ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail > >> to respond), > >> ?attending city council/township meetings, filing > >> official HAVA > >> ?complaints, and/or pursuing > >> ?legal action under different funding > >> sources.?MPAS?goal has > >> ?always been to educate clerks and assist them > >> with improving > >> ?access first by proposing solutions > >> ?to removing barriers. > >> > >> ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to > >> monitoring the > >> ?correction plans that election officials have > >> submitted to > >> ensure > >> ?that barriers are removed. > >> ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling > >> locations that have > >> ?not been visited yet. > >> > >> ?In Summary > >> > >> ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership > >> between MPAS and > >> the > >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was > >> crucial.?The state > >> ?reinforced the necessity of > >> ?accessible elections.?They followed up > >> with each municipality > >> ?whose polling place was noted as being > >> inaccessible in order to > >> ?determine the jurisdiction's > >> ?planned course of action.?In addition, the > >> BOE coordinated and > >> ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement > >> grant well into > >> the > >> ?fall to assist municipalities > >> ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. > >> > >> ?Local election officials can either upgrade > >> their polling places > >> ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the > >> polling place to > >> ?an accessible site.?The > >> ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 > >> project, they > >> ?have seen a large increase in the number of > >> municipalities > >> ?applying for grant money.?In > >> ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE > >> extended the > >> ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks > >> additional > >> ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? > >> ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant > >> funds.?The > >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant > >> applications, the > >> ?largest amount ever received > >> ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant > >> applications, 66 > >> ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a > >> plan of > >> ?correction - 89% of those who applied. > >> ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to > >> apply when the > >> ?next grant period opens in early 2011. > >> > >> ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? > >> proposed > >> budget > >> ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the > >> partnership with the > >> ?Secretary of State, ensuring > >> ?all elections are accessible to all > >> voters.?Additionally, MPAS > >> ?encourages clerks to reach out to local > >> disability groups for > >> ?future trainings.?Listed > >> ?below are additional recommendations moving > >> forward. > >> > >> ?Summary/Recommendations: > >> > >> ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be > >> required to notify the Bureau of > >> ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. > >> > >> ???젨잸ccessibility checks > >> should be completed when clerks > >> ?change polling locations, to verify > >> accessibility.?Reports > >> (with > >> ?photographs) should be submitted > >> ?to the Bureau of Elections. > >> > >> ???젨쟍ew polling locations > >> must be required to adhere to the > >> ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility > >> Guidelines. > >> > >> ???젨쟕he advisory committee > >> in charge of amending the State > >> ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify > >> ways to hold > >> ?clerks accountable and implement > >> ?model oversight programs. > >> > >> ???젨잸ccess for All grant > >> money should be available > >> throughout > >> ?the year, so accessibility problems can be > >> addressed anytime > >> they > >> ?arise. > >> > >> ???젨쟕he Bureau of > >> Elections and local clerks should continue > >> ?working with disability advocacy organizations > >> to complete > >> ?year-round polling place accessibility > >> ?audits and training to clerks. > >> > >> ?Accessibility Rate by County > >> > >> ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows > >> > >> ?County > >> > >> ?Polling Locations > >> > >> ?Visited > >> > >> ?Accessible > >> > >> ?Barriers Discovered > >> > >> ?Percent Visited > >> > >> ?% Accessible of those Visited > >> > >> ?Now Complete > >> > >> ?% Now Accessible > >> > >> ?Alcona > >> > >> ?12 > >> > >> ?12 > >> > >> ?8 > >> > >> ?4 > >> > >> ?100% > >> > >> ?67% > >> > >> ?3 > >> > >> ?92% > >> > >> ?Alger > >> > >> ?10 > >> > >> ?10 > >> > >> ?5 > >> > >> ?5 > >> > >> ?100% > >> > >> ?50% > >> > >> ?5 > >> > >> ?100% > >> > >> ?Allegan > >> > >> ?37 > >> > >> ?37 > >> > >> ?35 > >> > >> ?2 > >> > >> ?100% > >> > >> ?95% > >> > >> ?1 > >> > >> ?97% > >> > >> ?Alpena > >> > >> ?15 > >> > >> ?15 > >> > >> ?8 > >> > >> ?7 > >> > >> ?100% > >> > >> ?53% > >> > >> ?1 > >> > >> ?60% > >> 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?22 > >> > >> ?19 > >> > >> ?3 > >> > >> ?96% > >> > >> ?86% > >> > >> ?1 > >> > >> ?91% > >> > >> ?Washtenaw > >> > >> ?106 > >> > >> ?100 > >> > >> ?70 > >> > >> ?30 > >> > >> ?94% > >> > >> ?70% > >> > >> ?0 > >> > >> ?70% > >> > >> ?Wayne > >> > >> ?568 > >> > >> ?519 > >> > >> ?325 > >> > >> ?194 > >> > >> ?91% > >> > >> ?63% > >> > >> ?28 > >> > >> ?68% > >> > >> ?Wexford > >> > >> ?20 > >> > >> ?20 > >> > >> ?14 > >> > >> ?6 > >> > >> ?100% > >> > >> ?70% > >> > >> ?1 > >> > >> ?75% > >> > >> ?Total > >> > >> ?3635 > >> > >> ?3457 > >> > >> ?2579 > >> > >> ?878 > >> > >> ?95.10% > >> > >> ?74.60% > >> > >> ?289 > >> > >> ?83% > >> > >> ?table end > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info > >> for nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu> > >> sbaum%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 > >> From: Katie Wang >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list > >> ???? >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille > >> Message-ID: > >> ???? > >> > >> > >> >> om > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> > >> ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web > >> Braille. Instead, when you > >> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s > >> on your Braille > >> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like > >> to save the > >> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves > >> each braille volume > >> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do > >> this multiple > >> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more > >> than one volume. > >> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find > >> it a great > >> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare > >> more in the past > >> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much > >> larger, more > >> current collection. > >> ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong > >> on your end-- It > >> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest > >> contacting your state > >> NLS library again and see if they can get you > >> some?sort of technical > >> support contact info. Someone from the central > >> program > >> that > >> administers the Web Braille service might need to look > >> into your > >> situation. > >> ?Hope this helps! > >> 젨쟇atie > >> > >> > >> On 7/10/11, Lea williams >> wrote: > >> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log > >> in it says my user > >> name and password is wrong. I have called and > >> gotten it changed three > >> times and it still says it. wonder what I am > >> doing wrong. > >> > >> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille > >> users! I recently > >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking > >> forward to all it has > >> to offer.?But I do have this question: > >> when I click on a link > >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, > >> or something where I > >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my > >> BrailleNote? I tried to > >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together > >> last night, and when > >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the > >> actual book to read > >> online, but I wanted to download the book to > >> read it in my > >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later > >> date.?How can I do this? > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" > >> (Camp Abilities motto) > >> > >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually > >> impaired youth in > >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say > >> "I can!" How? Click > >> on this link to learn more and to > >> contribute: > >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on > >> Facebook at I C.A.N. > >> Foundation. > >> > >> Sent from my BrailleNote > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > >> get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole> > >> 1988%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Lea Williams > >> > >> Phone; > >> 704-732-4470 > >> Skipe; > >> Lea.williams738 > >> Facebook > >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080< > http://www.facebook.com/#%21/profile.php?id=100001775297080> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > >> your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykati> > >> e6%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 5 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 > >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list" > >> ???? >> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites > >> Message-ID: > >> <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC > >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? > >> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than > >> one blog. > >> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers > >> generally write first > >> person stories, or about things they see that are more > >> objective? > >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update > >> it??Is it possible to > >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or > >> maybe you need sighted > >> help to post photos? > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to > >> be in? > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can > >> you write as much as you want or is there a word > >> limit? > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and > >> family. I figured > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about > >> myself, life and my > >> opinions on things like books, technology, and > >> religion. > >> > >> What site can you write like a journal about > >> yourself? > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Ashley > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 6 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 > >> From: Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list > >> ???? >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > >> sites > >> Message-ID: > >> ???? > >> > >> >> om > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >> > >> Ashley: > >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > >> people? > >> I've found an accessible one. > >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > >> captcha, (if they still have > >> it.) > >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > >> examples. > >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > >> www.goodnewscafe.net. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > >> >> wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > >> than one blog. > >> So what accessible sites are there??Do > >> bloggers generally write first > >> person stories, or about things they see that are > >> more objective? > >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you > >> update it??Is it possible to > >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? > >> Or maybe you need > >> sighted > >> help to post photos? > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need > >> to be in? > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > >> Can > >> you write as much as you want or is there a word > >> limit? > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > >> friends and family. I figured > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories > >> about myself, life and my > >> opinions on things like books, technology, and > >> religion. > >> > >> What site can you write like a journal about > >> yourself? > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Ashley > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > >> your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84> > >> 62%40students.pccua.edu > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 7 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 > >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list" > >> ???? >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > >> sites > >> Message-ID: > >> <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > >> charset="Windows-1252"; > >> ????reply-type=original > >> > >> Joshua, > >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people > >> to discuss something > >> common? > >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > >> This would be a good idea if?I had several > >> people interested in a forum. > >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that > >> was one of the things I > >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > >> to > >> post online, I'd like > >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > >> writings, if I do it. > >> > >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they > >> are accessible. > >> > >> Ashley > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Joshua Lester > >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > >> sites > >> > >> Ashley: > >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind > >> people? > >> I've found an accessible one. > >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > >> captcha, (if they still have > >> it.) > >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > >> examples. > >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > >> www.goodnewscafe.net. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > >> >> wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more > >> than one blog. > >> So what accessible sites are there??Do > >> bloggers generally write first > >> person stories, or about things they see that are > >> more objective? > >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you > >> update it??Is it possible to > >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? > >> Or maybe you need > >> sighted > >> help to post photos? > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need > >> to be in? > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? > >> Can > >> you write as much as you want or is there a word > >> limit? > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > >> friends and family. I figured > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories > >> about myself, life and my > >> opinions on things like books, technology, and > >> religion. > >> > >> What site can you write like a journal about > >> yourself? > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Ashley > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > >> your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84> > >> 62%40students.pccua.edu > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma> > >> hb%40earthlink.net > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 8 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 > >> From: Elizabeth >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National > >> Convention > >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> > >> Hello All, > >> > >> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for > >> the help they have > >> provided me over the past week. However, I thought > >> I > >> would also send out a > >> general message to thank anyone I may have missed > >> along the way. My > >> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to > >> go, but it was exactly > >> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on > >> such a public email > >> list. > >> > >> Since the last time I checked the messages on this > >> list was before > >> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have > >> already said what > >> happened, or at least their version of the story. > >> However, I have already > >> shared my version of the story about a million times > >> by now, so if you are > >> curious as to what happened, you will just have to > >> wait for another time. > >> > >> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. > >> I > >> just wanted to show > >> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along > >> the way. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Elizabeth > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 9 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 > >> From: Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list > >> ???? >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > >> sites > >> Message-ID: > >> ???? > >> > >> > >> >> om > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >> > >> Yes. > >> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? > >> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > >> >> wrote: > >> Joshua, > >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of > >> people to discuss > >> something > >> common? > >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? > >> This would be a good idea if?I had several > >> people interested in a forum. > >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and > >> that was one of the things > >> I > >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want > >> to post online, I'd > >> like > >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my > >> writings, if I do it. > >> > >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know > >> they are accessible. > >> > >> Ashley > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Joshua Lester > >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students > >> mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal > >> sites > >> > >> Ashley: > >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for > >> blind people? > >> I've found an accessible one. > >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio > >> captcha, (if they still > >> have > >> it.) > >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some > >> examples. > >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and > >> www.goodnewscafe.net. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > >> >> wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe > >> more than one blog. > >> So what accessible sites are there??Do > >> bloggers generally write first > >> person stories, or about things they see that > >> are more objective? > >> Any of you have a blog??How often do > >> you update it??Is it possible to > >> upload photos to it to go along with your > >> story? Or maybe you need > >> sighted > >> help to post photos? > >> What about audio? What format do audio clips > >> need to be in? > >> Can you have more than one blog on the same > >> site? Can > >> you write as much as you want or is there a > >> word limit? > >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with > >> friends and family. I figured > >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories > >> about myself, life and my > >> opinions on things like books, technology, > >> and religion. > >> > >> What site can you write like a journal about > >> yourself? > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Ashley > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > >> get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84> > >> 62%40students.pccua.edu > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > >> your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma> > >> hb%40earthlink.net > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > >> your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84> > >> 62%40students.pccua.edu > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 10 > >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > >> From: Amy Sabo >> To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" > >> , > >> ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, > >> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > >> Message-ID: > >> ????< > >> > >> > >> 1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. > >> ca.mail.comcast.net > >> > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> hello all, > >> > >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > >> problems with the latest > >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > >> features on it to change > >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. > >> is > >> there a way in where i > >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > >> for jfw that i can use? > >> > >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > >> > >> > >> hugs, > >> amy > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 11 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 > >> From: "Humberto Avila" avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> > >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list'" > >> ???? >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem > >> Message-ID: > >> <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila > >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? > >> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" > >> > >> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger > >> (AIM) was about 2 years > >> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by > >> the way, it was the > >> FS > >> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now > >> it > >> is inaccessible with > >> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you > >> using? Which > >> operating system? Which version of aim? > >> Cheers,?Humberto > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] > >> On > >> Behalf > >> Of Amy Sabo > >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM > >> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND > >> STUDENTS, COLORADO > >> ASSOCIATION > >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem > >> > >> hello all, > >> > >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having > >> problems with the latest > >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the > >> features on it to change > >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. > >> is > >> there a way in where i > >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts > >> for jfw that i can use? > >> > >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! > >> > >> > >> hugs, > >> amy > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.ber> > >> t.humberto2 > >> %40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 12 > >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 > >> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale > >> Message-ID: auto-000019992102 at mailfront3.g2host.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; > >> format=flowed > >> > >> > >> > >> Eye Pal for sale. $1299 > >> I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> > >> > >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 > >> **************************************** > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info for nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbha> > >> tia%40yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info > >> for nabs-l: > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu> > >> sbaum%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> account info for nabs-l: > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbha> > >> tia%40yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma> > >> hb%40earthlink.net > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu> > >> sbaum%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessmonsilva2003%40sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From amylsabo at comcast.net Fri Jul 15 03:59:51 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Perform-talk] Sound In Sight Volume 2 Message-ID: <841478441.499622.1310702391052.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello all, here is some information in how you can purchase the performing arts division's latest album sound and sight volume 2... hugs, amy ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Lisa Ostrow To: Performing Arts Division list Sent: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:47:50 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Perform-talk] Sound In Sight Volume 2 Hello, everyone. The album is now available on CDBaby both to purchase as a physical CD, as well as to download digitally on the site. You can find it at: http://cdbaby.com/cd/soundinsightvol2 Enjoy! Lisa Ostrow _______________________________________________ Perform-talk mailing list Perform-talk at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/perform-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Perform-talk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/perform-talk_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From jj at bestmidi.com Fri Jul 15 04:32:19 2011 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:32:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for five years References: Message-ID: <116A21AD68694D3FA992276FC8FD14C4@jage> To add to this, consider that many major conferences such as CSUN, ATIA, or the Consumer Electronics Show traditionally stay in one city. I realize these organizations are slightly different in nature, but some of the reasons for staying at the same location are the same. Best Regards, J.J. Meddaugh From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for five years > Hello everyone, > > I've seen a lot of comments about the national convention schedule for > the next few years so I thought I'd post what I've been told about the > decision. My husband is on our affiliate board, and we both have been > involved with our chapter, affiliate and some national groups, and we've > been privy to some information- if I'm wrong, I apologize; I'm merely > stating what little I've been told. > > Let me preface this by saying it takes a very long time to plan an event > of this magnitude. President Mauer and the convention committee spend > time locating facilities that will accommodate a convention such as this > as well as providing the best possible hotel rates they can negotiate. > > It takes at least a year to plan an event like convention, so they look > to book hotel/convention centers ASAP. It's difficult to plan without a > location. > > I've been told that the NFB was able to negotiate a deal with the > Rosenburg resort with the condition we would return for a certain period > of time, which ensures us decent rates and ensures business for the > resort. > > So convention will be in Orlando at the same resort for the next few > years because this is how the deal was negotiated. > >>From a business perspective, if a hotel provides us with discounted > rates (and in most cases, we have been given huge discounts over the > years considering the type of hotels usually booked for convention) it > would make sense a hotel would request a certain amount of business to > make up for the discounted rate. If you usually charge $190/night for a > room, and are offering it for $70/night, that is a huge cut you take. > So you want to accrue that business more than once so you can make a > little mula back from a particular guest. > > Most the facilities the NFB books for convention have expensive hotel > rates that members of the Federation are able to haggle and negotiate > down to the incredible rates we usually have. > > As to why it is Orlando- I'm not sure if the Rosenburg has offered the > best deal compared to hotels in other states, or if the locale is > amenable to most convention-goers, or if they feel this facility meets > our needs best- this is something I've not heard much about. > > I say wicked awesome, though, to having it in Orlando for a few years. > There is a lot to do tourist wise; the resort seems to provide enough > for attendees to do without ever leaving the resort complex; and > sometimes it's nice to have consistency. > > Anyway, contracts have been negotiated and signed (I assume if an > announcement has been made) so we will have to put up with Orlando for a > few years after next year. > > Bridgit P > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 15 04:43:52 2011 From: jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net (Jessica) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:43:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for five years In-Reply-To: <116A21AD68694D3FA992276FC8FD14C4@jage> References: <116A21AD68694D3FA992276FC8FD14C4@jage> Message-ID: Well said JJ and Bridget. While I too am a little upset it is in the same spot, mainly due to California being so far, I can understand there reasons for choosing Orlando for as Lon as they did. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 9:32 PM, "J.J. Meddaugh" wrote: > To add to this, consider that many major conferences such as CSUN, ATIA, or the Consumer Electronics Show traditionally stay in one city. I realize these organizations are slightly different in nature, but some of the reasons for staying at the same location are the same. > > Best Regards, > J.J. Meddaugh > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:45 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for five years > > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I've seen a lot of comments about the national convention schedule for >> the next few years so I thought I'd post what I've been told about the >> decision. My husband is on our affiliate board, and we both have been >> involved with our chapter, affiliate and some national groups, and we've >> been privy to some information- if I'm wrong, I apologize; I'm merely >> stating what little I've been told. >> >> Let me preface this by saying it takes a very long time to plan an event >> of this magnitude. President Mauer and the convention committee spend >> time locating facilities that will accommodate a convention such as this >> as well as providing the best possible hotel rates they can negotiate. >> >> It takes at least a year to plan an event like convention, so they look >> to book hotel/convention centers ASAP. It's difficult to plan without a >> location. >> >> I've been told that the NFB was able to negotiate a deal with the >> Rosenburg resort with the condition we would return for a certain period >> of time, which ensures us decent rates and ensures business for the >> resort. >> >> So convention will be in Orlando at the same resort for the next few >> years because this is how the deal was negotiated. >> >>> From a business perspective, if a hotel provides us with discounted >> rates (and in most cases, we have been given huge discounts over the >> years considering the type of hotels usually booked for convention) it >> would make sense a hotel would request a certain amount of business to >> make up for the discounted rate. If you usually charge $190/night for a >> room, and are offering it for $70/night, that is a huge cut you take. >> So you want to accrue that business more than once so you can make a >> little mula back from a particular guest. >> >> Most the facilities the NFB books for convention have expensive hotel >> rates that members of the Federation are able to haggle and negotiate >> down to the incredible rates we usually have. >> >> As to why it is Orlando- I'm not sure if the Rosenburg has offered the >> best deal compared to hotels in other states, or if the locale is >> amenable to most convention-goers, or if they feel this facility meets >> our needs best- this is something I've not heard much about. >> >> I say wicked awesome, though, to having it in Orlando for a few years. >> There is a lot to do tourist wise; the resort seems to provide enough >> for attendees to do without ever leaving the resort complex; and >> sometimes it's nice to have consistency. >> >> Anyway, contracts have been negotiated and signed (I assume if an >> announcement has been made) so we will have to put up with Orlando for a >> few years after next year. >> >> Bridgit P >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessmonsilva2003%40sbcglobal.net From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Fri Jul 15 05:23:41 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:23:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just realized I kept refering to the hotel as Rosenburg. It's been a really weird day. Don't know what that was about! *smile* Bridgit From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 07:57:31 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:57:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20110715075731.GM75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> The staff were helpful and usually not too overeager to provide help when not needed. I was pleased with that. Joseph On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:21:22PM -0400, David Dodge wrote: >Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than I >did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and >they were by far the best so far. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum > >> Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard >> has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law Symposium >> in May. I don't know though, just a guess. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the >> ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more >> and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> Anmol, >> Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That >> hasn't happened before. >> Do you know if its in the same hotel? >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be held >> in Orlando. >> >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila > >> wrote: >> >> From: Humberto Avila >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM >> I didn't send that message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> Humberto, >> >> I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from >> Dr. Maurer at >> this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would >> be in >> Orlando, making it six years. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth >> in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >> Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six >> >> years. >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti > wrote: >> >> From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? >> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't >> leave until the next >> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the >> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? >> Because there were too many >> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome >> and I had a great time, >> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >> more.?I looked at >> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >> "required".?General >> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >> >> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >> announce the state >> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >> once and I don't think >> he even told me where it was.?The states should get >> them sorted out before >> convention and email their state this is when and where >> it >> is.?I know that >> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >> they did a very good >> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. >> >> Rachael >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: >> >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >> visit >> ????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >> 'help' to >> ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >> more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 젨?. 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Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >> ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----- >> ----- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: NABS list , >> NFBMD list , >> NFB >> ????history list > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >> 5 years >> Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> >> It was announced at the convention that conventions >> from 2013 >> through 2017 >> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend >> the length of >> the convention >> back to how it was and NFB would >> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That >> way, people could >> get excited >> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I >> liked the old >> schedule much >> better.?If we are going to keep people here for >> five years in a >> row, we need >> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >> all there is >> to do in >> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night >> before the last >> day of >> convention. >> >> >> Sherri Brun >> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >> other >> plans." John >> Lennon >> >> Check out http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun >> >> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> ?NFBF Newsline? chair >> www.nfbnewsline.org >> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> http://nfbfgoc.org >> Secretary FDCP INC >> www.fdcp.org >> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for blindtlk: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid >> . >> nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> ????list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >> of the >> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >> the BN and >> ask questions when they're having technical >> problems.?Here's the >> link: >> www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> .? >> In >> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >> to the BN >> list and forward you any responses off list.? >> Hope this helps! >> >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >> format >> documents into word >> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have >> to use your >> Braille note to >> do it because there is no program that will translate >> and convert >> Keyword >> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >> (.doc) >> documents, unless >> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >> and then use >> a program >> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >> will need >> Duxbury >> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >> license if you >> don't >> already have it--you can although try it for free but >> some >> functions will be >> disabled) >> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to >> send another >> message off list >> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >> is good >> practice for >> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >> assistive >> technology. >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On Behalf >> Of Andi >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >> ask.?I use to >> use my brail >> >> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >> wondering if >> there is a >> >> program to change the files from the brail document to >> a word >> document? >> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >> simpaler to >> use the >> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? >> thank you so much >> for your >> help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Andrews >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org >> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >> First Portable >> Camera >> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >> Reading >> System >> to Support Touchscreen >> for People with Low Vision >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >> Inc.?( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >> www.visionaid-international.**com >> ) >> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The >> Readit Wand is a >> portable >> camera that >> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >> documents >> for >> the visually impaired. >> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >> more with >> ease >> using the Readit >> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will >> be read in a >> clear, >> human-sounding >> voice.?The ability to read all of these items >> makes Readit Wand >> the >> perfect tool >> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >> via USB. >> The >> 5-megapixel camera >> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >> recognition >> in as >> little as two >> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand >> allows for >> automatic >> multi-language >> switching when other languages are installed.? >> The portability >> and >> multiple language >> support make it the ideal tool for students who are >> learning a >> foreign language. >> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >> that >> allows >> you to save, load, >> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? >> Importing PDF >> files >> into the Readit >> software enables users to read PDF files that >> originally are >> inaccessible because >> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also >> allows you to >> save >> documents as >> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >> document as an >> MP3 >> file to listen >> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >> access >> toolbar >> designed specifically >> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the >> ability to adjust >> the >> size of the >> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >> all the basic >> controls enabling >> low vision users to capture their document, change the >> view to >> their >> preference and >> more at the click of a button. >> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >> different >> types >> of highlights, >> as well as six different ways to display text, >> allowing low >> vision >> users to customize >> the software to their personal preference. >> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >> Wand is the >> first >> portable camera >> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >> users the >> ability >> to interact >> with the software by simply using their fingers!? 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So, we might be able to work >> jointly >> with ACB on this.?What does >> everyone think? >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> day in mi >> >> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> ?Thoughts on this? >> >> ?Chris >> >> ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities >> motto) >> >> ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >> can!" How? Click >> ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >> at I C.A.N. >> ?Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" > ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >> this day in mi >> ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >> >> ?A Call to Action ? >> >> ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >> with Disabilities >> ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >> >> ?A Public Report on >> ?Polling Place >> >> ?Accessibility in Michigan >> >> ?Public Report by >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> >> ?2011 >> >> ?Acknowledgements >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >> is Michigan? >> ?designated agency to advocate and protect the >> legal rights of >> ?persons with disabilities, mandated >> ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives >> funding from the >> ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >> the center for >> ?Mental Health Services ?Substance >> ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >> the >> ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >> Social Security >> ?Administration, the State of Michigan >> ?and from private donations. >> >> ?Funding for this report has been made possible >> through the U.S. >> ?Department of Health and Human Services, >> Administration for >> ?Children and Families, and the >> ?Administration on Developmental >> Disabilities.?The contents are >> ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not >> necessarily >> ?represent the official views >> ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >> Services. >> >> ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, Inc.?This >> ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its >> entirety for >> ?noncommercial purposes as long >> ?as appropriate credit is given. >> >> ?Table of Contents >> >> ?Executive >> >> >> >> >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >> ? >> ..............................**.....................5 >> >> ?Midterm >> >> >> >> >> Report........................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**...........................6 >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >> >> >> >> >> Project.......................**..............................**..... >> ?.........7 >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election >> ? >> Officials.....................**.................10 >> >> ?Next >> >> >> >> >> Steps.........................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**..............................**..11 >> >> ?In >> >> >> >> >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**..............................**..11 >> >> ?Accessibility Rate Per >> >> >> >> >> County........................**..............................**..... >> ?.............................**...13 >> >> ?Executive Summary >> >> ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >> obstacles at voting >> ?locations often because their polling place >> lacks physical >> ?accessibility.?The Help America >> ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >> obstacles faced by >> voters >> ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the >> federally >> ?mandated Protection and Advocacy >> ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >> barriers. >> ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >> targeted for >> ?elimination in the President? proposed >> ?2012 budget. >> >> ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, (MPAS), >> ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >> with helping to ensure >> ?the full participation of >> ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral >> process, >> including >> ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >> accessing polling >> ?places. >> >> ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >> that every >> ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >> to their >> polling >> ?location and has the opportunity >> ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS >> staff members are on >> ?the ground providing advice, technical >> assistance, and training >> ?to election officials about >> ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of >> disabilities.?The >> ?agency also provides outreach and training to >> voters with >> ?disabilities, poll workers, and >> ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >> of State of Michigan >> ?partnered over the past six years working toward >> this goal, >> which >> ?has been effective in >> ?increasing physical access to polling locations >> throughout >> ?Michigan. >> >> ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >> United States >> ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >> subject to intense >> ?public scrutiny each election >> ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections >> prohibit >> ?discrimination against people with disabilities >> in the electoral >> ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional >> ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge >> for individuals >> ?with disabilities despite changes made to >> federal and state laws >> ?intended to ensure full >> ?participation. >> >> ?Key Summary >> >> ???젨잻isability advocates >> have visited 95% (3,457) and >> ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >> Michigan. >> >> ???젨쟖pon initial review, >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >> polling places >> were >> ?compliant under the Americans >> ?with Disabilities Act. >> >> ???젨잸fter working with >> state and local officials, it is >> ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >> will be increased >> ?to 90% in 2012. >> >> ???젨쟏f the locations that >> were inaccessible, 60% had one >> ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >> had three or more >> ?types of barriers. >> >> ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 >> counties in Michigan were 100% >> ?physically accessible upon initial visit. >> >> ???젨쟋PAS continues to >> receive complaints regarding the >> ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >> device. >> >> ?Michigan has made great strides toward >> accessibility at the >> ?polls.?This report will highlight the >> steps taken to ensure >> that >> ?all polling locations throughout >> ?Michigan are accessible to voters with >> disabilities.?In >> ?addition, the report will offer recommendations >> for Michigan to >> ?achieve and maintain an accessibility >> ?rate of 100%. >> >> ?2010 Mid Term Report >> >> ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >> the country, >> ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >> in 2002.?HAVA >> ?included sweeping legislation >> ?intended to modernize the electoral system for >> all voters, >> ?including those with disabilities.?The >> Help America Vote Act >> ?reinforced the application of >> ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >> and Section 504 >> ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >> 2004, Michigan >> ?lawmakers amended Michigan election >> ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >> removal of physical >> ?barriers at polling locations.? >> Irrespective of both federal and >> ?state law, 25% of Michigan's >> ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible >> for the November >> ?2010 general election.?To achieve an >> all-encompassing voting >> ?standard for the fifty states, >> ?HAVA included two key components for the >> disability community: >> >> ???젨잸ll polling places >> must have at least one voting system >> ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >> privately and >> ?independently, whether or not one >> ?has a disability. >> >> ???젨쟔tates must ensure >> accessibility at all public polling >> ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans >> with >> Disabilities >> ?Act (ADA). >> >> ?Accessible Voting System >> >> ?In 2004, the disability community and the >> Michigan Secretary of >> ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >> assessing which >> ?accessible device would best >> ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >> selected the >> ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible >> ballot marking device >> ?that can be used by all voters >> ?with or without disabilities. >> >> ?Although every polling location is equipped with >> the AutoMARK, >> ?each municipality is responsible for making sure >> it is set up >> and >> ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, >> ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >> AutoMARK.?Voter >> ?complaints have included the following:? >> the AutoMARK was boxed >> ?up on Election Day, unplugged, >> ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >> could see the >> ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >> jammed ballots have been >> ?greatly reduced since the >> ?last round of updates were completed.? >> Because the AutoMARK is >> ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >> feedback to >> ?correct these kinds of problems. >> ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >> complaints as they >> ?arise. >> >> ?Accessible Polling Places >> >> ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >> money to assist >> with >> ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the >> AutoMARK, but also >> ?to help municipalities >> ?make their polling places physically >> accessible.?Congress >> ?recognized that in order for people to use the >> accessible voting >> ?machines, the building must >> ?also be accessible so voters can access the >> polling location and >> ?voting equipment.?It is the local election >> officials? >> ?responsibility to make sure all >> ?polling locations are accessible on Election >> Day.?To help cover >> ?the expense for removing barriers at polling >> locations, the >> ?Michigan BOE administers a >> ?grant program called Access for All, under the >> U.S.?Department >> ?of Health and Human Services with funding >> allocated through >> HAVA, >> ?to help the state comply >> ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the >> Access for All grants >> ?cover all costs associated with accessibility >> upgrades for >> ?polling locations. >> >> ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement >> provisions under HAVA >> was >> ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >> required to complete an >> ?accessibility checklist >> ?to determine whether or not their locations were >> accessible. >> ?This was one of the state? first attempts to >> gather information >> ?on Michigan? polling place >> ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >> other organizations >> ?were working closely with individual election >> officials on >> ?polling location reviews and >> ?were also training the municipal clerks on the >> accessibility >> ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a >> considerable amount of time >> ?assisting clerks with assessing >> ?the accessibility of their polling locations and >> helping them >> ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >> found that the >> ?accessibility data provided by >> ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >> reliable. >> >> ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >> (BOE) attention >> and >> ?shared independent accessibility reviews with >> them.?The BOE has >> ?since increased efforts >> ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >> communication >> ?and requiring additional documentation from the >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >> polling locations >> ?randomly, without notifying the election >> official in advance. >> ?After compiling this data on >> ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >> of >> ?inaccessibility became a heightened >> concern.?Once these >> concerns >> ?were communicated to the Bureau of >> ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >> dramatically >> ?increasing their involvement in the advancement >> of polling place >> ?accessibility. >> >> ?This same year, the federal government began >> reviewing how the >> ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >> fueled speculation that >> ?the federal government would >> ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >> some states had >> ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an >> account and >> ?allowing the funds to gain >> ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would >> pull the allocated >> funds >> ?completely, which would prevent municipalities >> from accessing >> ?money to make polling places >> ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >> of Elections, >> ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >> accessibility at all >> ?Michigan polling places. >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >> >> ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >> of a statewide >> ?plan to reach 100% polling place >> accessibility.?MPAS and the >> ?Bureau of Elections strengthened >> ?their partnership in order to achieve this >> goal.?Within this >> ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >> locations throughout >> ?the state.?Michigan has >> ?approximately 3,600 polling places in >> total.?MPAS had already >> ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior >> to 2010, >> ?therefore, did not revisit those >> ?locations (some were initially accessible and >> others MPAS worked >> ?closely with clerks to improve >> accessibility.?MPAS is still >> ?working with clerks to bring >> ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >> into compliance). >> ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >> polling locations in >> ?2010. >> >> ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >> least 95% of the >> ?polling places in Michigan. >> >> ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >> nearly 25% of the >> ?polling places that remained physically >> inaccessible as required >> ?by the Americans with >> ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >> 2,927 were assessed >> ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG >> as a benchmark to >> ?determine physical accessibility, >> ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >> locations visited, >> ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the >> ADAAG ? >> barriers >> ?that create potential >> ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on >> Election Day. >> >> ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >> from fully >> ?participating in all aspects of society because >> of their >> ?disability.?This might include >> architectural >> ?barriers, physical barriers, communication >> barriers, attitudinal >> ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? >> Throughout this project, >> MPAS? >> ?reviews focused primarily >> ?on physical and external barriers, which are >> defined as >> something >> ?material that blocks passage.?Physical >> barriers addressed in >> ?this report include objects >> ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >> doorways, >> ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >> inaccessible door >> ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >> >> ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >> 2010, 28% did not >> ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on >> discussions with the BOE >> ?in 2008, when MPAS completed >> ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >> notified with a >> ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >> they were also >> ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. >> ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >> municipalities >> ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >> letters contained a >> ?photograph of the problem area(s), >> ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? >> Within a five month >> ?period, letters were sent to over 440 >> municipalities concerning >> ?approximately 800 polling >> ?locations. >> >> ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places >> visited in 2010 had >> ?some type of physical barrier present at the >> time of review. >> >> ?The following chart highlights the most common >> number of >> physical >> ?barriers discovered at each location. >> >> ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only >> one physical >> ?barrier present.?While the largest and >> most frequent problem >> was >> ?related to parking, the types >> ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in >> the following >> ?chart. >> >> ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >> accessible parking >> ?but no signs posted?Parking:? >> locations that had no parking >> ?designated or noncompliant access >> ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that >> existed between access aisles >> and >> ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >> door width, door >> ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >> ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >> ramps, handrails, >> ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election Officials >> >> ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >> notified municipal >> ?clerks of locations where barriers were >> discovered.?Within a >> ?four-month period, over 440 >> ?letters were sent to election officials.? >> By the end of 2010, >> 88% >> ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >> plan of >> correction. >> ?In addition, MPAS >> ?provided technical assistance to the election >> officials on how >> to >> ?improve access to their polling location in >> order to come into >> ?compliance.젨잹ased on >> ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >> us they were >> ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected >> the barriers at >> ?the polling locations; 9% >> ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; >> and the remaining >> ?responses varied from clerk using temporary >> equipment. >> >> ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >> completed, MPAS >> ?required documentation from each clerk proving >> or stating that >> ?the work had been completed, >> ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase >> orders.?A >> ?majority of the clerks responded either with a >> plan of >> correction >> ?for spring 2011 or with a >> ?statement that the work was completed.? >> MPAS is still waiting >> for >> ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done >> sufficiently. >> Once >> ?the removal of barriers >> ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS >> expects Michigan? >> ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to >> nearly 90 % ?-- >> ?one of the highest in the nation. >> ?There remains, however, substantial work to be >> completed in the >> ?city of Detroit in order to reach this >> goal.?The remaining 12% >> ?of clerks, who did not respond >> ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >> correction, >> will >> ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >> accessibility. >> >> ?NEXT STEPS >> >> ?While the focus of this report has been on >> reaching the 90% >> ?accessibility rate, there would still be >> approximately 10% of >> ?polling locations in Michigan >> ?that are not accessible to all voters.? >> Some clerks disagree >> with >> ?the findings and MPAS is working with those >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >> polling locations >> ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >> breaking them >> into >> ?three categories: failure >> ?to communicate; work promised but documentation >> still needed; >> and >> ?locations requiring review by MPAS. >> >> ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials >> who have failed >> ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? >> This may involve >> ?revisiting the location (some >> ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail >> to respond), >> ?attending city council/township meetings, filing >> official HAVA >> ?complaints, and/or pursuing >> ?legal action under different funding >> sources.?MPAS?goal has >> ?always been to educate clerks and assist them >> with improving >> ?access first by proposing solutions >> ?to removing barriers. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >> monitoring the >> ?correction plans that election officials have >> submitted to >> ensure >> ?that barriers are removed. >> ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >> locations that have >> ?not been visited yet. >> >> ?In Summary >> >> ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >> between MPAS and >> the >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >> crucial.?The state >> ?reinforced the necessity of >> ?accessible elections.?They followed up >> with each municipality >> ?whose polling place was noted as being >> inaccessible in order to >> ?determine the jurisdiction's >> ?planned course of action.?In addition, the >> BOE coordinated and >> ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement >> grant well into >> the >> ?fall to assist municipalities >> ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> >> ?Local election officials can either upgrade >> their polling places >> ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the >> polling place to >> ?an accessible site.?The >> ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >> project, they >> ?have seen a large increase in the number of >> municipalities >> ?applying for grant money.?In >> ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >> extended the >> ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >> additional >> ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? >> ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >> funds.?The >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >> applications, the >> ?largest amount ever received >> ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >> applications, 66 >> ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >> plan of >> ?correction - 89% of those who applied. >> ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to >> apply when the >> ?next grant period opens in early 2011. >> >> ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >> proposed >> budget >> ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >> partnership with the >> ?Secretary of State, ensuring >> ?all elections are accessible to all >> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >> ?encourages clerks to reach out to local >> disability groups for >> ?future trainings.?Listed >> ?below are additional recommendations moving >> forward. >> >> ?Summary/Recommendations: >> >> ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be >> required to notify the Bureau of >> ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. >> >> ???젨잸ccessibility checks >> should be completed when clerks >> ?change polling locations, to verify >> accessibility.?Reports >> (with >> ?photographs) should be submitted >> ?to the Bureau of Elections. >> >> ???젨쟍ew polling locations >> must be required to adhere to the >> ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >> Guidelines. >> >> ???젨쟕he advisory committee >> in charge of amending the State >> ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >> ways to hold >> ?clerks accountable and implement >> ?model oversight programs. >> >> ???젨잸ccess for All grant >> money should be available >> throughout >> ?the year, so accessibility problems can be >> addressed anytime >> they >> ?arise. >> >> ???젨쟕he Bureau of >> Elections and local clerks should continue >> ?working with disability advocacy organizations >> to complete >> ?year-round polling place accessibility >> ?audits and training to clerks. >> >> ?Accessibility Rate by County >> >> ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >> >> ?County >> >> ?Polling Locations >> >> ?Visited >> >> ?Accessible >> >> ?Barriers Discovered >> >> ?Percent Visited >> >> ?% Accessible of those Visited >> >> ?Now Complete >> >> ?% Now Accessible >> >> ?Alcona >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Alger >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Allegan >> >> ?37 >> >> ?37 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?95% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Alpena >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Antrim >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Arenac >> >> ?14 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Baraga >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?17% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?33% >> >> ?Barry >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Bay >> >> ?49 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Benzie >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?46% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Berrien >> >> ?57 >> >> ?57 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Branch >> >> ?18 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Calhoun >> >> ?46 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Cass >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Charlevoix >> >> ?18 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Cheboygan >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Chippewa >> >> ?19 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?72% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clare >> >> ?19 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?84% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clinton >> >> ?28 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Crawford >> >> ?7 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Delta >> >> ?21 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Dickinson >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?40% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Eaton >> >> ?36 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Emmet >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Genesee >> >> ?119 >> >> ?109 >> >> ?84 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Gladwin >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Gogebic >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Grand Traverse >> >> ?28 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Gratiot >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Hillsdale >> >> ?21 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Houghton >> >> ?31 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?41% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?64% >> >> ?Huron >> >> ?30 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Ingham >> >> ?95 >> >> ?81 >> >> ?78 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?85% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Ionia >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Iosco >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?93% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Iron >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Isabella >> >> ?25 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Jackson >> >> ?47 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Kalamazoo >> >> ?97 >> >> ?97 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?7 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Kalkaska >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Kent >> >> ?209 >> >> ?207 >> >> ?174 >> >> ?33 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?11 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Keweenaw >> >> ?5 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Lake >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Lapeer >> >> ?24 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?83% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Leelanau >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Lenawee >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Livingston >> >> ?48 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Luce >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Mackinac >> >> ?13 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Macomb >> >> ?235 >> >> ?233 >> >> ?188 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?17 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Manistee >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?73% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Marquette >> >> ?29 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?59% >> >> ?Mason >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Mecosta >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Menominee >> >> ?16 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?57% >> >> ?Midland >> >> ?38 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?76% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Missaukee >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Monroe >> >> ?42 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Montcalm >> >> ?26 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Montmorency >> >> ?9 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Muskegon >> >> ?72 >> >> ?71 >> >> ?68 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?Newaygo >> >> ?28 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oakland >> >> ?410 >> >> ?380 >> >> ?292 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?46 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oceana >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Ogemaw >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Ontonagon >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?30% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?30% >> >> ?Osceola >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oscoda >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Otsego >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Ottawa >> >> ?88 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?90% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Presque Isle >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?81% >> >> ?Roscommon >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Saginaw >> >> ?75 >> >> ?75 >> >> ?61 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Sanilac >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?87% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Schoolcraft >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Shiawassee >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?74% >> >> ?St.?Clair >> >> ?52 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?44 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?St.?Joseph >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Tuscola >> >> ?25 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Van Buren >> >> ?23 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?Washtenaw >> >> ?106 >> >> ?100 >> >> ?70 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?70% >> >> ?Wayne >> >> ?568 >> >> ?519 >> >> ?325 >> >> ?194 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?28 >> >> ?68% >> >> ?Wexford >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Total >> >> ?3635 >> >> ?3457 >> >> ?2579 >> >> ?878 >> >> ?95.10% >> >> ?74.60% >> >> ?289 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?table end >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >> From: Katie Wang > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web >> Braille. Instead, when you >> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >> on your Braille >> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >> to save the >> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >> each braille volume >> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >> this multiple >> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >> than one volume. >> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >> it a great >> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >> more in the past >> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >> larger, more >> current collection. >> ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >> on your end-- It >> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >> contacting your state >> NLS library again and see if they can get you >> some?sort of technical >> support contact info. Someone from the central >> program >> that >> administers the Web Braille service might need to look >> into your >> situation. >> ?Hope this helps! >> 젨쟇atie >> >> >> On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: >> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >> in it says my user >> name and password is wrong. I have called and >> gotten it changed three >> times and it still says it. wonder what I am >> doing wrong. >> >> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >> users! I recently >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >> forward to all it has >> to offer.?But I do have this question: >> when I click on a link >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >> or something where I >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >> BrailleNote? I tried to >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >> last night, and when >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >> actual book to read >> online, but I wanted to download the book to >> read it in my >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >> date.?How can I do this? >> Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >> (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >> "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to >> contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >> Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole >> 1988%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati >> e6%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >> one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers >> generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are more >> objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update >> it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >> maybe you need sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >> be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >> family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >> myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >> charset="Windows-1252"; >> ????reply-type=original >> >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >> to discuss something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >> was one of the things I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to >> post online, I'd like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >> are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention >> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >> the help they have >> provided me over the past week. However, I thought >> I >> would also send out a >> general message to thank anyone I may have missed >> along the way. My >> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >> go, but it was exactly >> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >> such a public email >> list. >> >> Since the last time I checked the messages on this >> list was before >> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >> already said what >> happened, or at least their version of the story. >> However, I have already >> shared my version of the story about a million times >> by now, so if you are >> curious as to what happened, you will just have to >> wait for another time. >> >> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. >> I >> just wanted to show >> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >> the way. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Yes. >> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >> people to discuss >> something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >> that was one of the things >> I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to post online, I'd >> like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >> they are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >> blind people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still >> have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >> more than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that >> are more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do >> you update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your >> story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips >> need to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same >> site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a >> word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, >> and religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Amy Sabo > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >> , >> ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, >> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> ????< >> >> >> 1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. >> ca.mail.comcast.net >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" >> >> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >> (AIM) was about 2 years >> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >> the way, it was the >> FS >> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now >> it >> is inaccessible with >> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >> using? Which >> operating system? Which version of aim? >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On >> Behalf >> Of Amy Sabo >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >> STUDENTS, COLORADO >> ASSOCIATION >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >> From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >> I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >> Thanks, >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> **************************************** >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >> tia%40yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >> tia%40yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 16:01:05 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:01:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [acb-l] Expedition impossible Message-ID: <4e206455.0488e50a.24b2.3587@mx.google.com> Do you know what "blind guy" this is? :) Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "Yvonne" From jessandmarkgarrison at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 17:01:35 2011 From: jessandmarkgarrison at gmail.com (Jess and Mark Garrison) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:01:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Message-ID: Greetings all, My name Jessica Trask. I'm living in Claremont New Hampshire with my fiancee Mark Garrison . We'llexpecting our first child a little girl in mid October . I will be attending Granite State College in the fall where I'll be studying Early Childhood Education, I'm vIsually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 17:43:23 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:43:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110715174322.GC96500@yumi.bluecherry.net> Jess, congratulations on the baby! Just keep her out of the sun if she comes out especially pink, you know the drill! *grin* Joseph On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 01:01:35PM -0400, Jess and Mark Garrison wrote: >Greetings all, > >My name Jessica Trask. I'm living in Claremont New Hampshire with my fiancee >Mark Garrison . We'llexpecting our first child a little girl in mid October >. I will be attending Granite State College in the fall where I'll be >studying Early Childhood Education, I'm vIsually impaired. Visual >Impairment caused by Albinism. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From wujing19861209 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 15 17:52:09 2011 From: wujing19861209 at hotmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jing_Crystal_Wu_=E5=90=B4=E6=99=B6?=) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:52:09 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) References: <20110715174322.GC96500@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Wow! Congratulations on the coming newborn baby. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (no subject) > Jess, congratulations on the baby! Just keep her out of the sun if she > comes out especially pink, you know the drill! *grin* > > Joseph > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 01:01:35PM -0400, Jess and Mark Garrison wrote: >>Greetings all, >> >>My name Jessica Trask. I'm living in Claremont New Hampshire with my >>fiancee >>Mark Garrison . We'llexpecting our first child a little girl in mid >>October >>. I will be attending Granite State College in the fall where I'll be >>studying Early Childhood Education, I'm vIsually impaired. Visual >>Impairment caused by Albinism. >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wujing19861209%40hotmail.com > From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 18:31:08 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:31:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <20110715075731.GM75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> <20110715075731.GM75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: I, for one, am thrilled we'll be in Orlando for a while. The hotels were nice (I was in the Centre and moved over to the Shingle Creek mid-week and I quite enjoyed them both), and this probably means we'll get some killer room rates. Doesn't really sound all that insane or crazy to me or my pocket book. *grin* Best, Kirt On 7/15/11, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > The staff were helpful and usually not too overeager to provide help > when not needed. I was pleased with that. > > Joseph > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:21:22PM -0400, David Dodge wrote: >>Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than I >>did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and >>they were by far the best so far. >> >>David >>---------------------------------- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >>2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum >> >>> Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard >>> has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law >>> Symposium >>> in May. I don't know though, just a guess. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have >>> the >>> ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more >>> and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>> Anmol, >>> Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That >>> hasn't happened before. >>> Do you know if its in the same hotel? >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Anmol Bhatia >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>> It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be >>> held >>> in Orlando. >>> >>> Anmol >>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >>> breeze >>> among flowers. >>> Hellen Keller >>> >>> >>> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> From: Humberto Avila >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM >>> I didn't send that message. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>> Humberto, >>> >>> I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from >>> Dr. Maurer at >>> this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would >>> be in >>> Orlando, making it six years. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >>> motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth >>> in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >>> Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Anmol Bhatia >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>> The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six >>> >>> years. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti >> wrote: >>> >>> From: Rachael Vacanti >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >>> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? >>> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >>> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't >>> leave until the next >>> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >>> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >>> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the >>> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >>> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? >>> Because there were too many >>> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome >>> and I had a great time, >>> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >>> more.?I looked at >>> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >>> "required".?General >>> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >>> >>> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >>> announce the state >>> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >>> once and I don't think >>> he even told me where it was.?The states should get >>> them sorted out before >>> convention and email their state this is when and where >>> it >>> is.?I know that >>> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >>> they did a very good >>> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. >>> >>> Rachael >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, >> wrote: >>> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>> ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >>> visit >>> ????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >>> 'help' to >>> ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >>> more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >>> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >>> 젨?. Re: question about brail to word >>> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >>> 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this day in mi >>> ???(Josh Gregory) >>> 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >>> (Katie Wang) >>> 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (Joshua Lester) >>> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National >>> Convention (Elizabeth) >>> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (Joshua Lester) >>> ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >>> ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >>> ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----- >>> ----- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: NABS list , >>> NFBMD list , >>> NFB >>> ????history list >> Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >>> 5 years >>> Message-ID: >>> <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> >>> >>> ?---- Original Message ------ >>> From: "Sherri" >> Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >>> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >>> >>> It was announced at the convention that conventions >>> from 2013 >>> through 2017 >>> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend >>> the length of >>> the convention >>> back to how it was and NFB would >>> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That >>> way, people could >>> get excited >>> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I >>> liked the old >>> schedule much >>> better.?If we are going to keep people here for >>> five years in a >>> row, we need >>> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >>> all there is >>> to do in >>> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night >>> before the last >>> day of >>> convention. >>> >>> >>> Sherri Brun >>> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >>> other >>> plans." John >>> Lennon >>> >>> Check out >>> http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun >>> >>> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >>> ?NFBF Newsline? chair >>> www.nfbnewsline.org >>> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >>> http://nfbfgoc.org >>> Secretary FDCP INC >>> www.fdcp.org >>> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for blindtlk: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid >>> . >>> nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> ????list>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> Message-ID: >>> <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >>> of the >>> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >>> the BN and >>> ask questions when they're having technical >>> problems.?Here's the >>> link: >>> >>> www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> .? >>> In >>> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >>> to the BN >>> list and forward you any responses off list.? >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> ?Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >>> youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >>> How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list'" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> >>> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >>> format >>> documents into word >>> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have >>> to use your >>> Braille note to >>> do it because there is no program that will translate >>> and convert >>> Keyword >>> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >>> (.doc) >>> documents, unless >>> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >>> and then use >>> a program >>> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >>> will need >>> Duxbury >>> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >>> license if you >>> don't >>> already have it--you can although try it for free but >>> some >>> functions will be >>> disabled) >>> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to >>> send another >>> message off list >>> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >>> is good >>> practice for >>> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >>> assistive >>> technology. >>> Cheers,?Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Andi >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> >>> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >>> ask.?I use to >>> use my brail >>> >>> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >>> wondering if >>> there is a >>> >>> program to change the files from the brail document to >>> a word >>> document? >>> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >>> simpaler to >>> use the >>> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? >>> thank you so much >>> for your >>> help. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >>> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >>> First Portable >>> Camera >>> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >>> >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >>> Reading >>> System >>> to Support Touchscreen >>> for People with Low Vision >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >>> Inc.?( >>> www.gwmicro.com) >>> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >>> >>> www.visionaid-international.**com >>> ) >>> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The >>> Readit Wand is a >>> portable >>> camera that >>> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >>> documents >>> for >>> the visually impaired. >>> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >>> more with >>> ease >>> using the Readit >>> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will >>> be read in a >>> clear, >>> human-sounding >>> voice.?The ability to read all of these items >>> makes Readit Wand >>> the >>> perfect tool >>> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >>> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >>> via USB. >>> The >>> 5-megapixel camera >>> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >>> recognition >>> in as >>> little as two >>> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand >>> allows for >>> automatic >>> multi-language >>> switching when other languages are installed.? >>> The portability >>> and >>> multiple language >>> support make it the ideal tool for students who are >>> learning a >>> foreign language. >>> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >>> that >>> allows >>> you to save, load, >>> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? >>> Importing PDF >>> files >>> into the Readit >>> software enables users to read PDF files that >>> originally are >>> inaccessible because >>> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also >>> allows you to >>> save >>> documents as >>> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >>> document as an >>> MP3 >>> file to listen >>> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >>> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >>> access >>> toolbar >>> designed specifically >>> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the >>> ability to adjust >>> the >>> size of the >>> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >>> all the basic >>> controls enabling >>> low vision users to capture their document, change the >>> view to >>> their >>> preference and >>> more at the click of a button. >>> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >>> different >>> types >>> of highlights, >>> as well as six different ways to display text, >>> allowing low >>> vision >>> users to customize >>> the software to their personal preference. >>> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >>> Wand is the >>> first >>> portable camera >>> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >>> users the >>> ability >>> to interact >>> with the software by simply using their fingers!? >>> This means no >>> more >>> tracking the >>> cursor, which provides direct interaction between the >>> user and >>> the >>> Readit software, >>> creating the best possible user experience. >>> GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the >>> Readit Wand >>> in >>> the U.S., developed >>> and manufactured by VisionAid International, located >>> in the >>> UK.?Readit Wand will >>> be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >>> For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >>> www.gwmicro.com, >>> email >>> sales at gwmicro.com >>> , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >>> GW Micro, Inc.?( >>> www.gwmicro.com) >>> has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology >>> industry >>> since 1990, >>> and >>> continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >>> solutions. >>> VisionAid International, Ltd ( >>> >>> www.visionaid-international.**com >>> ), >>> established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, >>> effective >>> and >>> simple to use >>> devices for people who are partially sighted and blind >>> that make >>> reading a pleasure >>> once again. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**adrianne >>> . >>> dempsey%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >>> t.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >>> From: Josh Gregory >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> ????list>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this day >>> ????in mi >>> Message-ID: >>> <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.**ffffc150 at mx.google.com<4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> Hi, >>> OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each >>> other's >>> competetors/enemies/whatever.?**So, at the moment >>> anyway, I doubt >>> it. >>> Best, >>> Josh >>> >>> sent from my Apex >>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> >>> ?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this >>> day in mi >>> >>> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to >>> ensure >>> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the >>> Help >>> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work >>> jointly >>> with ACB on this.?What does >>> everyone think? >>> ?Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >>> youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >>> How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this >>> day in mi >>> >>> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >>> ?Thoughts on this? >>> >>> ?Chris >>> >>> ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities >>> motto) >>> >>> ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >>> impaired youth in >>> ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >>> can!" How? Click >>> ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >>> at I C.A.N. >>> ?Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ?---- Original Message ------ >>> ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" >> ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >>> this day in mi >>> ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >>> >>> ?A Call to Action ? >>> >>> ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >>> with Disabilities >>> ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >>> >>> ?A Public Report on >>> ?Polling Place >>> >>> ?Accessibility in Michigan >>> >>> ?Public Report by >>> >>> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >>> >>> ?2011 >>> >>> ?Acknowledgements >>> >>> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >>> is Michigan? >>> ?designated agency to advocate and protect the >>> legal rights of >>> ?persons with disabilities, mandated >>> ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives >>> funding from the >>> ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >>> the center for >>> ?Mental Health Services ?Substance >>> ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >>> the >>> ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >>> Social Security >>> ?Administration, the State of Michigan >>> ?and from private donations. >>> >>> ?Funding for this report has been made possible >>> through the U.S. >>> ?Department of Health and Human Services, >>> Administration for >>> ?Children and Families, and the >>> ?Administration on Developmental >>> Disabilities.?The contents are >>> ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not >>> necessarily >>> ?represent the official views >>> ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >>> Services. >>> >>> ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> Service, Inc.?This >>> ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its >>> entirety for >>> ?noncommercial purposes as long >>> ?as appropriate credit is given. >>> >>> ?Table of Contents >>> >>> ?Executive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >>> ? >>> ..............................**.....................5 >>> >>> ?Midterm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Report........................**..............................**..... >>> ? >>> >>> ..............................**...........................6 >>> >>> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Project.......................**..............................**..... >>> ?.........7 >>> >>> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >>> Election >>> ? >>> Officials.....................**.................10 >>> >>> ?Next >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Steps.........................**..............................**..... >>> ? >>> >>> ..............................**..............................**..11 >>> >>> ?In >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >>> ? >>> >>> ..............................**..............................**..11 >>> >>> ?Accessibility Rate Per >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> County........................**..............................**..... >>> ?.............................**...13 >>> >>> ?Executive Summary >>> >>> ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >>> obstacles at voting >>> ?locations often because their polling place >>> lacks physical >>> ?accessibility.?The Help America >>> ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >>> obstacles faced by >>> voters >>> ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the >>> federally >>> ?mandated Protection and Advocacy >>> ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >>> barriers. >>> ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >>> targeted for >>> ?elimination in the President? proposed >>> ?2012 budget. >>> >>> ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> Service, (MPAS), >>> ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >>> with helping to ensure >>> ?the full participation of >>> ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral >>> process, >>> including >>> ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >>> accessing polling >>> ?places. >>> >>> ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >>> that every >>> ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >>> to their >>> polling >>> ?location and has the opportunity >>> ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS >>> staff members are on >>> ?the ground providing advice, technical >>> assistance, and training >>> ?to election officials about >>> ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of >>> disabilities.?The >>> ?agency also provides outreach and training to >>> voters with >>> ?disabilities, poll workers, and >>> ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >>> of State of Michigan >>> ?partnered over the past six years working toward >>> this goal, >>> which >>> ?has been effective in >>> ?increasing physical access to polling locations >>> throughout >>> ?Michigan. >>> >>> ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >>> United States >>> ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >>> subject to intense >>> ?public scrutiny each election >>> ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections >>> prohibit >>> ?discrimination against people with disabilities >>> in the electoral >>> ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional >>> ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge >>> for individuals >>> ?with disabilities despite changes made to >>> federal and state laws >>> ?intended to ensure full >>> ?participation. >>> >>> ?Key Summary >>> >>> ???젨잻isability advocates >>> have visited 95% (3,457) and >>> ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >>> Michigan. >>> >>> ???젨쟖pon initial review, >>> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >>> polling places >>> were >>> ?compliant under the Americans >>> ?with Disabilities Act. >>> >>> ???젨잸fter working with >>> state and local officials, it is >>> ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >>> will be increased >>> ?to 90% in 2012. >>> >>> ???젨쟏f the locations that >>> were inaccessible, 60% had one >>> ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >>> had three or more >>> ?types of barriers. >>> >>> ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 >>> counties in Michigan were 100% >>> ?physically accessible upon initial visit. >>> >>> ???젨쟋PAS continues to >>> receive complaints regarding the >>> ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >>> device. >>> >>> ?Michigan has made great strides toward >>> accessibility at the >>> ?polls.?This report will highlight the >>> steps taken to ensure >>> that >>> ?all polling locations throughout >>> ?Michigan are accessible to voters with >>> disabilities.?In >>> ?addition, the report will offer recommendations >>> for Michigan to >>> ?achieve and maintain an accessibility >>> ?rate of 100%. >>> >>> ?2010 Mid Term Report >>> >>> ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >>> the country, >>> ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >>> in 2002.?HAVA >>> ?included sweeping legislation >>> ?intended to modernize the electoral system for >>> all voters, >>> ?including those with disabilities.?The >>> Help America Vote Act >>> ?reinforced the application of >>> ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >>> and Section 504 >>> ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >>> 2004, Michigan >>> ?lawmakers amended Michigan election >>> ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >>> removal of physical >>> ?barriers at polling locations.? >>> Irrespective of both federal and >>> ?state law, 25% of Michigan's >>> ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible >>> for the November >>> ?2010 general election.?To achieve an >>> all-encompassing voting >>> ?standard for the fifty states, >>> ?HAVA included two key components for the >>> disability community: >>> >>> ???젨잸ll polling places >>> must have at least one voting system >>> ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >>> privately and >>> ?independently, whether or not one >>> ?has a disability. >>> >>> ???젨쟔tates must ensure >>> accessibility at all public polling >>> ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans >>> with >>> Disabilities >>> ?Act (ADA). >>> >>> ?Accessible Voting System >>> >>> ?In 2004, the disability community and the >>> Michigan Secretary of >>> ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >>> assessing which >>> ?accessible device would best >>> ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >>> selected the >>> ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible >>> ballot marking device >>> ?that can be used by all voters >>> ?with or without disabilities. >>> >>> ?Although every polling location is equipped with >>> the AutoMARK, >>> ?each municipality is responsible for making sure >>> it is set up >>> and >>> ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, >>> ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >>> AutoMARK.?Voter >>> ?complaints have included the following:? >>> the AutoMARK was boxed >>> ?up on Election Day, unplugged, >>> ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >>> could see the >>> ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >>> jammed ballots have been >>> ?greatly reduced since the >>> ?last round of updates were completed.? >>> Because the AutoMARK is >>> ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >>> feedback to >>> ?correct these kinds of problems. >>> ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >>> complaints as they >>> ?arise. >>> >>> ?Accessible Polling Places >>> >>> ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >>> money to assist >>> with >>> ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the >>> AutoMARK, but also >>> ?to help municipalities >>> ?make their polling places physically >>> accessible.?Congress >>> ?recognized that in order for people to use the >>> accessible voting >>> ?machines, the building must >>> ?also be accessible so voters can access the >>> polling location and >>> ?voting equipment.?It is the local election >>> officials? >>> ?responsibility to make sure all >>> ?polling locations are accessible on Election >>> Day.?To help cover >>> ?the expense for removing barriers at polling >>> locations, the >>> ?Michigan BOE administers a >>> ?grant program called Access for All, under the >>> U.S.?Department >>> ?of Health and Human Services with funding >>> allocated through >>> HAVA, >>> ?to help the state comply >>> ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the >>> Access for All grants >>> ?cover all costs associated with accessibility >>> upgrades for >>> ?polling locations. >>> >>> ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement >>> provisions under HAVA >>> was >>> ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >>> required to complete an >>> ?accessibility checklist >>> ?to determine whether or not their locations were >>> accessible. >>> ?This was one of the state? first attempts to >>> gather information >>> ?on Michigan? polling place >>> ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >>> other organizations >>> ?were working closely with individual election >>> officials on >>> ?polling location reviews and >>> ?were also training the municipal clerks on the >>> accessibility >>> ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a >>> considerable amount of time >>> ?assisting clerks with assessing >>> ?the accessibility of their polling locations and >>> helping them >>> ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >>> found that the >>> ?accessibility data provided by >>> ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >>> reliable. >>> >>> ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >>> (BOE) attention >>> and >>> ?shared independent accessibility reviews with >>> them.?The BOE has >>> ?since increased efforts >>> ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >>> communication >>> ?and requiring additional documentation from the >>> clerks. >>> >>> ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >>> polling locations >>> ?randomly, without notifying the election >>> official in advance. >>> ?After compiling this data on >>> ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >>> of >>> ?inaccessibility became a heightened >>> concern.?Once these >>> concerns >>> ?were communicated to the Bureau of >>> ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >>> dramatically >>> ?increasing their involvement in the advancement >>> of polling place >>> ?accessibility. >>> >>> ?This same year, the federal government began >>> reviewing how the >>> ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >>> fueled speculation that >>> ?the federal government would >>> ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >>> some states had >>> ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an >>> account and >>> ?allowing the funds to gain >>> ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would >>> pull the allocated >>> funds >>> ?completely, which would prevent municipalities >>> from accessing >>> ?money to make polling places >>> ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >>> of Elections, >>> ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >>> accessibility at all >>> ?Michigan polling places. >>> >>> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >>> >>> ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >>> of a statewide >>> ?plan to reach 100% polling place >>> accessibility.?MPAS and the >>> ?Bureau of Elections strengthened >>> ?their partnership in order to achieve this >>> goal.?Within this >>> ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >>> locations throughout >>> ?the state.?Michigan has >>> ?approximately 3,600 polling places in >>> total.?MPAS had already >>> ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior >>> to 2010, >>> ?therefore, did not revisit those >>> ?locations (some were initially accessible and >>> others MPAS worked >>> ?closely with clerks to improve >>> accessibility.?MPAS is still >>> ?working with clerks to bring >>> ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >>> into compliance). >>> ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >>> polling locations in >>> ?2010. >>> >>> ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >>> least 95% of the >>> ?polling places in Michigan. >>> >>> ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >>> nearly 25% of the >>> ?polling places that remained physically >>> inaccessible as required >>> ?by the Americans with >>> ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >>> >>> ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >>> 2,927 were assessed >>> ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG >>> as a benchmark to >>> ?determine physical accessibility, >>> ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >>> locations visited, >>> ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the >>> ADAAG ? >>> barriers >>> ?that create potential >>> ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on >>> Election Day. >>> >>> ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >>> from fully >>> ?participating in all aspects of society because >>> of their >>> ?disability.?This might include >>> architectural >>> ?barriers, physical barriers, communication >>> barriers, attitudinal >>> ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? >>> Throughout this project, >>> MPAS? >>> ?reviews focused primarily >>> ?on physical and external barriers, which are >>> defined as >>> something >>> ?material that blocks passage.?Physical >>> barriers addressed in >>> ?this report include objects >>> ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >>> doorways, >>> ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >>> inaccessible door >>> ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >>> >>> ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >>> 2010, 28% did not >>> ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on >>> discussions with the BOE >>> ?in 2008, when MPAS completed >>> ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >>> notified with a >>> ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >>> they were also >>> ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. >>> ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >>> municipalities >>> ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >>> letters contained a >>> ?photograph of the problem area(s), >>> ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? >>> Within a five month >>> ?period, letters were sent to over 440 >>> municipalities concerning >>> ?approximately 800 polling >>> ?locations. >>> >>> ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places >>> visited in 2010 had >>> ?some type of physical barrier present at the >>> time of review. >>> >>> ?The following chart highlights the most common >>> number of >>> physical >>> ?barriers discovered at each location. >>> >>> ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only >>> one physical >>> ?barrier present.?While the largest and >>> most frequent problem >>> was >>> ?related to parking, the types >>> ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in >>> the following >>> ?chart. >>> >>> ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >>> accessible parking >>> ?but no signs posted?Parking:? >>> locations that had no parking >>> ?designated or noncompliant access >>> ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that >>> existed between access aisles >>> and >>> ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >>> door width, door >>> ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >>> ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >>> ramps, handrails, >>> ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >>> >>> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >>> Election Officials >>> >>> ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >>> notified municipal >>> ?clerks of locations where barriers were >>> discovered.?Within a >>> ?four-month period, over 440 >>> ?letters were sent to election officials.? >>> By the end of 2010, >>> 88% >>> ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >>> plan of >>> correction. >>> ?In addition, MPAS >>> ?provided technical assistance to the election >>> officials on how >>> to >>> ?improve access to their polling location in >>> order to come into >>> ?compliance.젨잹ased on >>> ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >>> us they were >>> ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected >>> the barriers at >>> ?the polling locations; 9% >>> ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; >>> and the remaining >>> ?responses varied from clerk using temporary >>> equipment. >>> >>> ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >>> completed, MPAS >>> ?required documentation from each clerk proving >>> or stating that >>> ?the work had been completed, >>> ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase >>> orders.?A >>> ?majority of the clerks responded either with a >>> plan of >>> correction >>> ?for spring 2011 or with a >>> ?statement that the work was completed.? >>> MPAS is still waiting >>> for >>> ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done >>> sufficiently. >>> Once >>> ?the removal of barriers >>> ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS >>> expects Michigan? >>> ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to >>> nearly 90 % ?-- >>> ?one of the highest in the nation. >>> ?There remains, however, substantial work to be >>> completed in the >>> ?city of Detroit in order to reach this >>> goal.?The remaining 12% >>> ?of clerks, who did not respond >>> ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >>> correction, >>> will >>> ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >>> accessibility. >>> >>> ?NEXT STEPS >>> >>> ?While the focus of this report has been on >>> reaching the 90% >>> ?accessibility rate, there would still be >>> approximately 10% of >>> ?polling locations in Michigan >>> ?that are not accessible to all voters.? >>> Some clerks disagree >>> with >>> ?the findings and MPAS is working with those >>> clerks. >>> >>> ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >>> polling locations >>> ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >>> breaking them >>> into >>> ?three categories: failure >>> ?to communicate; work promised but documentation >>> still needed; >>> and >>> ?locations requiring review by MPAS. >>> >>> ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials >>> who have failed >>> ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? >>> This may involve >>> ?revisiting the location (some >>> ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail >>> to respond), >>> ?attending city council/township meetings, filing >>> official HAVA >>> ?complaints, and/or pursuing >>> ?legal action under different funding >>> sources.?MPAS?goal has >>> ?always been to educate clerks and assist them >>> with improving >>> ?access first by proposing solutions >>> ?to removing barriers. >>> >>> ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >>> monitoring the >>> ?correction plans that election officials have >>> submitted to >>> ensure >>> ?that barriers are removed. >>> ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >>> locations that have >>> ?not been visited yet. >>> >>> ?In Summary >>> >>> ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >>> between MPAS and >>> the >>> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >>> crucial.?The state >>> ?reinforced the necessity of >>> ?accessible elections.?They followed up >>> with each municipality >>> ?whose polling place was noted as being >>> inaccessible in order to >>> ?determine the jurisdiction's >>> ?planned course of action.?In addition, the >>> BOE coordinated and >>> ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement >>> grant well into >>> the >>> ?fall to assist municipalities >>> ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >>> >>> ?Local election officials can either upgrade >>> their polling places >>> ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the >>> polling place to >>> ?an accessible site.?The >>> ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >>> project, they >>> ?have seen a large increase in the number of >>> municipalities >>> ?applying for grant money.?In >>> ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >>> extended the >>> ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >>> additional >>> ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? >>> ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >>> funds.?The >>> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >>> applications, the >>> ?largest amount ever received >>> ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >>> applications, 66 >>> ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >>> plan of >>> ?correction - 89% of those who applied. >>> ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to >>> apply when the >>> ?next grant period opens in early 2011. >>> >>> ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >>> proposed >>> budget >>> ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >>> partnership with the >>> ?Secretary of State, ensuring >>> ?all elections are accessible to all >>> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >>> ?encourages clerks to reach out to local >>> disability groups for >>> ?future trainings.?Listed >>> ?below are additional recommendations moving >>> forward. >>> >>> ?Summary/Recommendations: >>> >>> ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be >>> required to notify the Bureau of >>> ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. >>> >>> ???젨잸ccessibility checks >>> should be completed when clerks >>> ?change polling locations, to verify >>> accessibility.?Reports >>> (with >>> ?photographs) should be submitted >>> ?to the Bureau of Elections. >>> >>> ???젨쟍ew polling locations >>> must be required to adhere to the >>> ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >>> Guidelines. >>> >>> ???젨쟕he advisory committee >>> in charge of amending the State >>> ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >>> ways to hold >>> ?clerks accountable and implement >>> ?model oversight programs. >>> >>> ???젨잸ccess for All grant >>> money should be available >>> throughout >>> ?the year, so accessibility problems can be >>> addressed anytime >>> they >>> ?arise. >>> >>> ???젨쟕he Bureau of >>> Elections and local clerks should continue >>> ?working with disability advocacy organizations >>> to complete >>> ?year-round polling place accessibility >>> ?audits and training to clerks. >>> >>> ?Accessibility Rate by County >>> >>> ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >>> >>> ?County >>> >>> ?Polling Locations >>> >>> ?Visited >>> >>> ?Accessible >>> >>> ?Barriers Discovered >>> >>> ?Percent Visited >>> 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>>> >>> ?71% >>> >>> ?2 >>> >>> ?82% >>> >>> ?Tuscola >>> >>> ?25 >>> >>> ?24 >>> >>> ?16 >>> >>> ?8 >>> >>> ?96% >>> >>> ?67% >>> >>> ?2 >>> >>> ?75% >>> >>> ?Van Buren >>> >>> ?23 >>> >>> ?22 >>> >>> ?19 >>> >>> ?3 >>> >>> ?96% >>> >>> ?86% >>> >>> ?1 >>> >>> ?91% >>> >>> ?Washtenaw >>> >>> ?106 >>> >>> ?100 >>> >>> ?70 >>> >>> ?30 >>> >>> ?94% >>> >>> ?70% >>> >>> ?0 >>> >>> ?70% >>> >>> ?Wayne >>> >>> ?568 >>> >>> ?519 >>> >>> ?325 >>> >>> ?194 >>> >>> ?91% >>> >>> ?63% >>> >>> ?28 >>> >>> ?68% >>> >>> ?Wexford >>> >>> ?20 >>> >>> ?20 >>> >>> ?14 >>> >>> ?6 >>> >>> ?100% >>> >>> ?70% >>> >>> ?1 >>> >>> ?75% >>> >>> ?Total >>> >>> ?3635 >>> >>> ?3457 >>> >>> ?2579 >>> >>> ?878 >>> >>> ?95.10% >>> >>> ?74.60% >>> >>> ?289 >>> >>> ?83% >>> >>> ?table end >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >>> From: Katie Wang >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >>> Message-ID: >>> ???? >>> >>> >>> >> om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web >>> Braille. Instead, when you >>> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >>> on your Braille >>> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >>> to save the >>> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >>> each braille volume >>> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >>> this multiple >>> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >>> than one volume. >>> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >>> it a great >>> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >>> more in the past >>> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >>> larger, more >>> current collection. >>> ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >>> on your end-- It >>> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >>> contacting your state >>> NLS library again and see if they can get you >>> some?sort of technical >>> support contact info. Someone from the central >>> program >>> that >>> administers the Web Braille service might need to look >>> into your >>> situation. >>> ?Hope this helps! >>> 젨쟇atie >>> >>> >>> On 7/10/11, Lea williams >> wrote: >>> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >>> in it says my user >>> name and password is wrong. I have called and >>> gotten it changed three >>> times and it still says it. wonder what I am >>> doing wrong. >>> >>> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >>> users! I recently >>> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >>> forward to all it has >>> to offer.?But I do have this question: >>> when I click on a link >>> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >>> or something where I >>> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >>> BrailleNote? I tried to >>> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >>> last night, and when >>> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >>> actual book to read >>> online, but I wanted to download the book to >>> read it in my >>> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >>> date.?How can I do this? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >>> (Camp Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >>> impaired youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >>> "I can!" How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to >>> contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >>> Facebook at I C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >>> get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole >>> 1988%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati >>> e6%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list" >>> ????>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >>> Message-ID: >>> <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC >>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >>> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >>> one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers >>> generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are more >>> objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update >>> it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >>> maybe you need sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >>> be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >>> family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >>> myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>> ???? >>> >>> >> om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >>> people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >>> than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are >>> more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >>> update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >>> Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >>> to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >>> Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list" >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>> <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >>> charset="Windows-1252"; >>> ????reply-type=original >>> >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >>> to discuss something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if?I had several >>> people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >>> was one of the things I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >>> to >>> post online, I'd like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >>> writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >>> are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >>> people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >>> than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are >>> more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >>> update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >>> Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >>> to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >>> Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>> hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >>> From: Elizabeth >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >>> Convention >>> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >>> the help they have >>> provided me over the past week. However, I thought >>> I >>> would also send out a >>> general message to thank anyone I may have missed >>> along the way. My >>> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >>> go, but it was exactly >>> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >>> such a public email >>> list. >>> >>> Since the last time I checked the messages on this >>> list was before >>> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >>> already said what >>> happened, or at least their version of the story. >>> However, I have already >>> shared my version of the story about a million times >>> by now, so if you are >>> curious as to what happened, you will just have to >>> wait for another time. >>> >>> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. >>> I >>> just wanted to show >>> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >>> the way. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>> ???? >>> >>> >>> >> om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Yes. >>> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >>> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >>> people to discuss >>> something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if?I had several >>> people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >>> that was one of the things >>> I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >>> to post online, I'd >>> like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >>> writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >>> they are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students >>> mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >>> blind people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still >>> have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >>> more than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that >>> are more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do >>> you update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your >>> story? Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips >>> need to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same >>> site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a >>> word limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, >>> and religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >>> get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>> hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >>> From: Amy Sabo >> To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >>> , >>> ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, >>> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> Message-ID: >>> ????< >>> >>> >>> 1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. >>> ca.mail.comcast.net >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> hello all, >>> >>> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >>> problems with the latest >>> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >>> features on it to change >>> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >>> is >>> there a way in where i >>> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >>> for jfw that i can use? >>> >>> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> hugs, >>> amy >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list'" >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> Message-ID: >>> <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila >>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >>> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" >>> >>> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >>> (AIM) was about 2 years >>> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >>> the way, it was the >>> FS >>> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now >>> it >>> is inaccessible with >>> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >>> using? Which >>> operating system? Which version of aim? >>> Cheers,?Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Amy Sabo >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >>> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >>> STUDENTS, COLORADO >>> ASSOCIATION >>> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> >>> hello all, >>> >>> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >>> problems with the latest >>> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >>> features on it to change >>> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >>> is >>> there a way in where i >>> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >>> for jfw that i can use? >>> >>> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> hugs, >>> amy >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >>> t.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >>> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; 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Have you picked out a name yet? If you have questions about being a blind parent, the NFB blind parents list is a great place full of knowledgeable parents. After your daughter is born, will you take a break from classes? Welcome to the list -----Original Message----- From: Jess and Mark Garrison Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:01 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Greetings all, My name Jessica Trask. I'm living in Claremont New Hampshire with my fiancee Mark Garrison . We'llexpecting our first child a little girl in mid October . I will be attending Granite State College in the fall where I'll be studying Early Childhood Education, I'm vIsually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From daviddod at buffalo.edu Fri Jul 15 20:56:38 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:56:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Symposium University at Buffalo Message-ID: Hello Everyone, My name is David Dodge and I am an English major at the University at Buffalo (UB) here in New York state. I have been blind since birth. I am planning a disability symposium that will focus on the strengths, needs, and possibilities for people with a variety of disabilities. I would really appreciate ANY help, suggestions, or advice you might have. Please e-mail me at daviddod at buffalo.edu if you have any information to contribute or you would like to come/present. The more people we have working on this the better it will be! David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From joshuahcrunkleton at ymail.com Fri Jul 15 21:06:41 2011 From: joshuahcrunkleton at ymail.com (Josh Crunkleton) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:06:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocational rehab Message-ID: <182D5891-2CE8-4D9E-AAF6-D910FC63214F@ymail.com> Hi. I'm having some issues with my vocational rehab agency and am thinking I want to get legal help. Does anyone have any advice about this? Are there attorneys who specialize in this kind of thing? Frustrated in Arkansas, Josh Crunkleton Sent from my iPhone From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 15 21:18:36 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:18:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8313B383334E424AB1AD5EEB78CC281F@OwnerPC> Jessica, Yes having it in the same place is insane; but I guess to nogotiate low rates, they did this. Oh well, it will give people an opportunity to get to know the area and then plan more things the following year. I don't think NFB has ever stayed in a place for many consecutive years before. But with the economy as it is, we're lucky to have the rates they get. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years As much as I liked Orlando having it there for 5 years is insane. >From my experience I stayed at both hotels and found Rosen center much more helpful. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:21 PM, David Dodge wrote: > Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than I > did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and > they were by far the best so far. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > 2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum > >> Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard >> has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law >> Symposium >> in May. I don't know though, just a guess. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have >> the >> ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more >> and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> Anmol, >> Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That >> hasn't happened before. >> Do you know if its in the same hotel? >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be >> held >> in Orlando. >> >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >> breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila >> > >> wrote: >> >> From: Humberto Avila >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM >> I didn't send that message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> Humberto, >> >> I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from >> Dr. Maurer at >> this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would >> be in >> Orlando, making it six years. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth >> in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >> Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six >> >> years. >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti > wrote: >> >> From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? >> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't >> leave until the next >> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the >> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? >> Because there were too many >> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome >> and I had a great time, >> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >> more.?I looked at >> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >> "required".?General >> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >> >> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >> announce the state >> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >> once and I don't think >> he even told me where it was.?The states should get >> them sorted out before >> convention and email their state this is when and where >> it >> is.?I know that >> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >> they did a very good >> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. >> >> Rachael >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: >> >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >> visit >> ????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >> 'help' to >> ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >> more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >> 젨?. Re: question about brail to word >> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >> 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day in mi >> ???(Josh Gregory) >> 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >> (Katie Wang) >> 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention (Elizabeth) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >> ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >> ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----- >> ----- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: NABS list , >> NFBMD list , >> NFB >> ????history list > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >> 5 years >> Message-ID: >> <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> >> It was announced at the convention that conventions >> from 2013 >> through 2017 >> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend >> the length of >> the convention >> back to how it was and NFB would >> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That >> way, people could >> get excited >> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I >> liked the old >> schedule much >> better.?If we are going to keep people here for >> five years in a >> row, we need >> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >> all there is >> to do in >> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night >> before the last >> day of >> convention. >> >> >> Sherri Brun >> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >> other >> plans." John >> Lennon >> >> Check out >> http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun >> >> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> ?NFBF Newsline? chair >> www.nfbnewsline.org >> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> http://nfbfgoc.org >> Secretary FDCP INC >> www.fdcp.org >> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for blindtlk: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid >> . >> nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> ????list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> Message-ID: >> <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >> of the >> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >> the BN and >> ask questions when they're having technical >> problems.?Here's the >> link: >> www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> .? >> In >> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >> to the BN >> list and forward you any responses off list.? >> Hope this helps! >> >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >> format >> documents into word >> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have >> to use your >> Braille note to >> do it because there is no program that will translate >> and convert >> Keyword >> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >> (.doc) >> documents, unless >> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >> and then use >> a program >> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >> will need >> Duxbury >> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >> license if you >> don't >> already have it--you can although try it for free but >> some >> functions will be >> disabled) >> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to >> send another >> message off list >> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >> is good >> practice for >> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >> assistive >> technology. >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On Behalf >> Of Andi >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >> ask.?I use to >> use my brail >> >> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >> wondering if >> there is a >> >> program to change the files from the brail document to >> a word >> document? >> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >> simpaler to >> use the >> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? >> thank you so much >> for your >> help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Andrews >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org >> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >> First Portable >> Camera >> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >> Reading >> System >> to Support Touchscreen >> for People with Low Vision >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >> Inc.?( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >> www.visionaid-international.**com >> ) >> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The >> Readit Wand is a >> portable >> camera that >> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >> documents >> for >> the visually impaired. >> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >> more with >> ease >> using the Readit >> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will >> be read in a >> clear, >> human-sounding >> voice.?The ability to read all of these items >> makes Readit Wand >> the >> perfect tool >> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >> via USB. >> The >> 5-megapixel camera >> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >> recognition >> in as >> little as two >> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand >> allows for >> automatic >> multi-language >> switching when other languages are installed.? >> The portability >> and >> multiple language >> support make it the ideal tool for students who are >> learning a >> foreign language. >> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >> that >> allows >> you to save, load, >> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? >> Importing PDF >> files >> into the Readit >> software enables users to read PDF files that >> originally are >> inaccessible because >> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also >> allows you to >> save >> documents as >> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >> document as an >> MP3 >> file to listen >> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >> access >> toolbar >> designed specifically >> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the >> ability to adjust >> the >> size of the >> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >> all the basic >> controls enabling >> low vision users to capture their document, change the >> view to >> their >> preference and >> more at the click of a button. >> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >> different >> types >> of highlights, >> as well as six different ways to display text, >> allowing low >> vision >> users to customize >> the software to their personal preference. >> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >> Wand is the >> first >> portable camera >> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >> users the >> ability >> to interact >> with the software by simply using their fingers!? >> This means no >> more >> tracking the >> cursor, which provides direct interaction between the >> user and >> the >> Readit software, >> creating the best possible user experience. >> GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the >> Readit Wand >> in >> the U.S., developed >> and manufactured by VisionAid International, located >> in the >> UK.?Readit Wand will >> be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >> For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >> www.gwmicro.com, >> email >> sales at gwmicro.com >> , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >> GW Micro, Inc.?( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology >> industry >> since 1990, >> and >> continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> VisionAid International, Ltd ( >> www.visionaid-international.**com >> ), >> established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, >> effective >> and >> simple to use >> devices for people who are partially sighted and blind >> that make >> reading a pleasure >> once again. >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**adrianne >> . >> dempsey%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >> From: Josh Gregory > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> ????list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day >> ????in mi >> Message-ID: >> <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.**ffffc150 at mx.google.com<4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> Hi, >> OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each >> other's >> competetors/enemies/whatever.?**So, at the moment >> anyway, I doubt >> it. >> Best, >> Josh >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> day in mi >> >> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to >> ensure >> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the >> Help >> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work >> jointly >> with ACB on this.?What does >> everyone think? >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> day in mi >> >> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> ?Thoughts on this? >> >> ?Chris >> >> ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities >> motto) >> >> ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >> can!" How? Click >> ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >> at I C.A.N. >> ?Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" > ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >> this day in mi >> ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >> >> ?A Call to Action ? >> >> ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >> with Disabilities >> ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >> >> ?A Public Report on >> ?Polling Place >> >> ?Accessibility in Michigan >> >> ?Public Report by >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> >> ?2011 >> >> ?Acknowledgements >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >> is Michigan? >> ?designated agency to advocate and protect the >> legal rights of >> ?persons with disabilities, mandated >> ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives >> funding from the >> ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >> the center for >> ?Mental Health Services ?Substance >> ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >> the >> ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >> Social Security >> ?Administration, the State of Michigan >> ?and from private donations. >> >> ?Funding for this report has been made possible >> through the U.S. >> ?Department of Health and Human Services, >> Administration for >> ?Children and Families, and the >> ?Administration on Developmental >> Disabilities.?The contents are >> ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not >> necessarily >> ?represent the official views >> ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >> Services. >> >> ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, Inc.?This >> ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its >> entirety for >> ?noncommercial purposes as long >> ?as appropriate credit is given. >> >> ?Table of Contents >> >> ?Executive >> >> >> >> >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >> ? >> ..............................**.....................5 >> >> ?Midterm >> >> >> >> >> Report........................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**...........................6 >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >> >> >> >> >> Project.......................**..............................**..... >> ?.........7 >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election >> ? >> Officials.....................**.................10 >> >> ?Next >> >> >> >> >> Steps.........................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**..............................**..11 >> >> ?In >> >> >> >> >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**..............................**..11 >> >> ?Accessibility Rate Per >> >> >> >> >> County........................**..............................**..... >> ?.............................**...13 >> >> ?Executive Summary >> >> ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >> obstacles at voting >> ?locations often because their polling place >> lacks physical >> ?accessibility.?The Help America >> ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >> obstacles faced by >> voters >> ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the >> federally >> ?mandated Protection and Advocacy >> ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >> barriers. >> ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >> targeted for >> ?elimination in the President? proposed >> ?2012 budget. >> >> ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, (MPAS), >> ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >> with helping to ensure >> ?the full participation of >> ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral >> process, >> including >> ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >> accessing polling >> ?places. >> >> ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >> that every >> ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >> to their >> polling >> ?location and has the opportunity >> ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS >> staff members are on >> ?the ground providing advice, technical >> assistance, and training >> ?to election officials about >> ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of >> disabilities.?The >> ?agency also provides outreach and training to >> voters with >> ?disabilities, poll workers, and >> ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >> of State of Michigan >> ?partnered over the past six years working toward >> this goal, >> which >> ?has been effective in >> ?increasing physical access to polling locations >> throughout >> ?Michigan. >> >> ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >> United States >> ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >> subject to intense >> ?public scrutiny each election >> ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections >> prohibit >> ?discrimination against people with disabilities >> in the electoral >> ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional >> ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge >> for individuals >> ?with disabilities despite changes made to >> federal and state laws >> ?intended to ensure full >> ?participation. >> >> ?Key Summary >> >> ???젨잻isability advocates >> have visited 95% (3,457) and >> ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >> Michigan. >> >> ???젨쟖pon initial review, >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >> polling places >> were >> ?compliant under the Americans >> ?with Disabilities Act. >> >> ???젨잸fter working with >> state and local officials, it is >> ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >> will be increased >> ?to 90% in 2012. >> >> ???젨쟏f the locations that >> were inaccessible, 60% had one >> ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >> had three or more >> ?types of barriers. >> >> ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 >> counties in Michigan were 100% >> ?physically accessible upon initial visit. >> >> ???젨쟋PAS continues to >> receive complaints regarding the >> ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >> device. >> >> ?Michigan has made great strides toward >> accessibility at the >> ?polls.?This report will highlight the >> steps taken to ensure >> that >> ?all polling locations throughout >> ?Michigan are accessible to voters with >> disabilities.?In >> ?addition, the report will offer recommendations >> for Michigan to >> ?achieve and maintain an accessibility >> ?rate of 100%. >> >> ?2010 Mid Term Report >> >> ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >> the country, >> ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >> in 2002.?HAVA >> ?included sweeping legislation >> ?intended to modernize the electoral system for >> all voters, >> ?including those with disabilities.?The >> Help America Vote Act >> ?reinforced the application of >> ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >> and Section 504 >> ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >> 2004, Michigan >> ?lawmakers amended Michigan election >> ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >> removal of physical >> ?barriers at polling locations.? >> Irrespective of both federal and >> ?state law, 25% of Michigan's >> ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible >> for the November >> ?2010 general election.?To achieve an >> all-encompassing voting >> ?standard for the fifty states, >> ?HAVA included two key components for the >> disability community: >> >> ???젨잸ll polling places >> must have at least one voting system >> ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >> privately and >> ?independently, whether or not one >> ?has a disability. >> >> ???젨쟔tates must ensure >> accessibility at all public polling >> ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans >> with >> Disabilities >> ?Act (ADA). >> >> ?Accessible Voting System >> >> ?In 2004, the disability community and the >> Michigan Secretary of >> ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >> assessing which >> ?accessible device would best >> ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >> selected the >> ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible >> ballot marking device >> ?that can be used by all voters >> ?with or without disabilities. >> >> ?Although every polling location is equipped with >> the AutoMARK, >> ?each municipality is responsible for making sure >> it is set up >> and >> ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, >> ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >> AutoMARK.?Voter >> ?complaints have included the following:? >> the AutoMARK was boxed >> ?up on Election Day, unplugged, >> ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >> could see the >> ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >> jammed ballots have been >> ?greatly reduced since the >> ?last round of updates were completed.? >> Because the AutoMARK is >> ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >> feedback to >> ?correct these kinds of problems. >> ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >> complaints as they >> ?arise. >> >> ?Accessible Polling Places >> >> ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >> money to assist >> with >> ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the >> AutoMARK, but also >> ?to help municipalities >> ?make their polling places physically >> accessible.?Congress >> ?recognized that in order for people to use the >> accessible voting >> ?machines, the building must >> ?also be accessible so voters can access the >> polling location and >> ?voting equipment.?It is the local election >> officials? >> ?responsibility to make sure all >> ?polling locations are accessible on Election >> Day.?To help cover >> ?the expense for removing barriers at polling >> locations, the >> ?Michigan BOE administers a >> ?grant program called Access for All, under the >> U.S.?Department >> ?of Health and Human Services with funding >> allocated through >> HAVA, >> ?to help the state comply >> ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the >> Access for All grants >> ?cover all costs associated with accessibility >> upgrades for >> ?polling locations. >> >> ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement >> provisions under HAVA >> was >> ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >> required to complete an >> ?accessibility checklist >> ?to determine whether or not their locations were >> accessible. >> ?This was one of the state? first attempts to >> gather information >> ?on Michigan? polling place >> ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >> other organizations >> ?were working closely with individual election >> officials on >> ?polling location reviews and >> ?were also training the municipal clerks on the >> accessibility >> ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a >> considerable amount of time >> ?assisting clerks with assessing >> ?the accessibility of their polling locations and >> helping them >> ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >> found that the >> ?accessibility data provided by >> ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >> reliable. >> >> ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >> (BOE) attention >> and >> ?shared independent accessibility reviews with >> them.?The BOE has >> ?since increased efforts >> ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >> communication >> ?and requiring additional documentation from the >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >> polling locations >> ?randomly, without notifying the election >> official in advance. >> ?After compiling this data on >> ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >> of >> ?inaccessibility became a heightened >> concern.?Once these >> concerns >> ?were communicated to the Bureau of >> ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >> dramatically >> ?increasing their involvement in the advancement >> of polling place >> ?accessibility. >> >> ?This same year, the federal government began >> reviewing how the >> ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >> fueled speculation that >> ?the federal government would >> ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >> some states had >> ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an >> account and >> ?allowing the funds to gain >> ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would >> pull the allocated >> funds >> ?completely, which would prevent municipalities >> from accessing >> ?money to make polling places >> ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >> of Elections, >> ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >> accessibility at all >> ?Michigan polling places. >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >> >> ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >> of a statewide >> ?plan to reach 100% polling place >> accessibility.?MPAS and the >> ?Bureau of Elections strengthened >> ?their partnership in order to achieve this >> goal.?Within this >> ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >> locations throughout >> ?the state.?Michigan has >> ?approximately 3,600 polling places in >> total.?MPAS had already >> ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior >> to 2010, >> ?therefore, did not revisit those >> ?locations (some were initially accessible and >> others MPAS worked >> ?closely with clerks to improve >> accessibility.?MPAS is still >> ?working with clerks to bring >> ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >> into compliance). >> ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >> polling locations in >> ?2010. >> >> ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >> least 95% of the >> ?polling places in Michigan. >> >> ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >> nearly 25% of the >> ?polling places that remained physically >> inaccessible as required >> ?by the Americans with >> ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >> 2,927 were assessed >> ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG >> as a benchmark to >> ?determine physical accessibility, >> ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >> locations visited, >> ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the >> ADAAG ? >> barriers >> ?that create potential >> ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on >> Election Day. >> >> ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >> from fully >> ?participating in all aspects of society because >> of their >> ?disability.?This might include >> architectural >> ?barriers, physical barriers, communication >> barriers, attitudinal >> ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? >> Throughout this project, >> MPAS? >> ?reviews focused primarily >> ?on physical and external barriers, which are >> defined as >> something >> ?material that blocks passage.?Physical >> barriers addressed in >> ?this report include objects >> ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >> doorways, >> ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >> inaccessible door >> ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >> >> ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >> 2010, 28% did not >> ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on >> discussions with the BOE >> ?in 2008, when MPAS completed >> ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >> notified with a >> ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >> they were also >> ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. >> ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >> municipalities >> ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >> letters contained a >> ?photograph of the problem area(s), >> ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? >> Within a five month >> ?period, letters were sent to over 440 >> municipalities concerning >> ?approximately 800 polling >> ?locations. >> >> ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places >> visited in 2010 had >> ?some type of physical barrier present at the >> time of review. >> >> ?The following chart highlights the most common >> number of >> physical >> ?barriers discovered at each location. >> >> ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only >> one physical >> ?barrier present.?While the largest and >> most frequent problem >> was >> ?related to parking, the types >> ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in >> the following >> ?chart. >> >> ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >> accessible parking >> ?but no signs posted?Parking:? >> locations that had no parking >> ?designated or noncompliant access >> ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that >> existed between access aisles >> and >> ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >> door width, door >> ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >> ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >> ramps, handrails, >> ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election Officials >> >> ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >> notified municipal >> ?clerks of locations where barriers were >> discovered.?Within a >> ?four-month period, over 440 >> ?letters were sent to election officials.? >> By the end of 2010, >> 88% >> ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >> plan of >> correction. >> ?In addition, MPAS >> ?provided technical assistance to the election >> officials on how >> to >> ?improve access to their polling location in >> order to come into >> ?compliance.젨잹ased on >> ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >> us they were >> ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected >> the barriers at >> ?the polling locations; 9% >> ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; >> and the remaining >> ?responses varied from clerk using temporary >> equipment. >> >> ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >> completed, MPAS >> ?required documentation from each clerk proving >> or stating that >> ?the work had been completed, >> ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase >> orders.?A >> ?majority of the clerks responded either with a >> plan of >> correction >> ?for spring 2011 or with a >> ?statement that the work was completed.? >> MPAS is still waiting >> for >> ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done >> sufficiently. >> Once >> ?the removal of barriers >> ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS >> expects Michigan? >> ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to >> nearly 90 % ?-- >> ?one of the highest in the nation. >> ?There remains, however, substantial work to be >> completed in the >> ?city of Detroit in order to reach this >> goal.?The remaining 12% >> ?of clerks, who did not respond >> ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >> correction, >> will >> ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >> accessibility. >> >> ?NEXT STEPS >> >> ?While the focus of this report has been on >> reaching the 90% >> ?accessibility rate, there would still be >> approximately 10% of >> ?polling locations in Michigan >> ?that are not accessible to all voters.? >> Some clerks disagree >> with >> ?the findings and MPAS is working with those >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >> polling locations >> ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >> breaking them >> into >> ?three categories: failure >> ?to communicate; work promised but documentation >> still needed; >> and >> ?locations requiring review by MPAS. >> >> ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials >> who have failed >> ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? >> This may involve >> ?revisiting the location (some >> ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail >> to respond), >> ?attending city council/township meetings, filing >> official HAVA >> ?complaints, and/or pursuing >> ?legal action under different funding >> sources.?MPAS?goal has >> ?always been to educate clerks and assist them >> with improving >> ?access first by proposing solutions >> ?to removing barriers. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >> monitoring the >> ?correction plans that election officials have >> submitted to >> ensure >> ?that barriers are removed. >> ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >> locations that have >> ?not been visited yet. >> >> ?In Summary >> >> ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >> between MPAS and >> the >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >> crucial.?The state >> ?reinforced the necessity of >> ?accessible elections.?They followed up >> with each municipality >> ?whose polling place was noted as being >> inaccessible in order to >> ?determine the jurisdiction's >> ?planned course of action.?In addition, the >> BOE coordinated and >> ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement >> grant well into >> the >> ?fall to assist municipalities >> ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> >> ?Local election officials can either upgrade >> their polling places >> ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the >> polling place to >> ?an accessible site.?The >> ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >> project, they >> ?have seen a large increase in the number of >> municipalities >> ?applying for grant money.?In >> ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >> extended the >> ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >> additional >> ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? >> ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >> funds.?The >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >> applications, the >> ?largest amount ever received >> ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >> applications, 66 >> ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >> plan of >> ?correction - 89% of those who applied. >> ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to >> apply when the >> ?next grant period opens in early 2011. >> >> ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >> proposed >> budget >> ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >> partnership with the >> ?Secretary of State, ensuring >> ?all elections are accessible to all >> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >> ?encourages clerks to reach out to local >> disability groups for >> ?future trainings.?Listed >> ?below are additional recommendations moving >> forward. >> >> ?Summary/Recommendations: >> >> ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be >> required to notify the Bureau of >> ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. >> >> ???젨잸ccessibility checks >> should be completed when clerks >> ?change polling locations, to verify >> accessibility.?Reports >> (with >> ?photographs) should be submitted >> ?to the Bureau of Elections. >> >> ???젨쟍ew polling locations >> must be required to adhere to the >> ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >> Guidelines. >> >> ???젨쟕he advisory committee >> in charge of amending the State >> ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >> ways to hold >> ?clerks accountable and implement >> ?model oversight programs. >> >> ???젨잸ccess for All grant >> money should be available >> throughout >> ?the year, so accessibility problems can be >> addressed anytime >> they >> ?arise. >> >> ???젨쟕he Bureau of >> Elections and local clerks should continue >> ?working with disability advocacy organizations >> to complete >> ?year-round polling place accessibility >> ?audits and training to clerks. >> >> ?Accessibility Rate by County >> >> ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >> >> ?County >> >> ?Polling Locations >> >> ?Visited >> >> ?Accessible >> >> ?Barriers Discovered >> >> ?Percent Visited >> >> ?% Accessible of those Visited >> >> ?Now Complete >> >> ?% Now Accessible >> >> ?Alcona >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Alger >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Allegan >> >> ?37 >> >> ?37 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?95% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Alpena >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Antrim >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Arenac >> >> ?14 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Baraga >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?17% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?33% >> >> ?Barry >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Bay >> >> ?49 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Benzie >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?46% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Berrien >> >> ?57 >> >> ?57 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Branch >> >> ?18 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Calhoun >> >> ?46 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Cass >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Charlevoix >> >> ?18 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Cheboygan >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Chippewa >> >> ?19 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?72% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clare >> >> ?19 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?84% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clinton >> >> ?28 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Crawford >> >> ?7 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Delta >> >> ?21 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Dickinson >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?40% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Eaton >> >> ?36 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Emmet >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Genesee >> >> ?119 >> >> ?109 >> >> ?84 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Gladwin >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Gogebic >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Grand Traverse >> >> ?28 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Gratiot >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Hillsdale >> >> ?21 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Houghton >> >> ?31 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?41% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?64% >> >> ?Huron >> >> ?30 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Ingham >> >> ?95 >> >> ?81 >> >> ?78 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?85% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Ionia >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Iosco >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?93% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Iron >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Isabella >> >> ?25 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Jackson >> >> ?47 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Kalamazoo >> >> ?97 >> >> ?97 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?7 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Kalkaska >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Kent >> >> ?209 >> >> ?207 >> >> ?174 >> >> ?33 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?11 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Keweenaw >> >> ?5 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Lake >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Lapeer >> >> ?24 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?83% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Leelanau >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Lenawee >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Livingston >> >> ?48 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Luce >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Mackinac >> >> ?13 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Macomb >> >> ?235 >> >> ?233 >> >> ?188 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?17 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Manistee >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?73% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Marquette >> >> ?29 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?59% >> >> ?Mason >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Mecosta >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Menominee >> >> ?16 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?57% >> >> ?Midland >> >> ?38 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?76% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Missaukee >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Monroe >> >> ?42 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Montcalm >> >> ?26 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Montmorency >> >> ?9 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Muskegon >> >> ?72 >> >> ?71 >> >> ?68 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?Newaygo >> >> ?28 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oakland >> >> ?410 >> >> ?380 >> >> ?292 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?46 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oceana >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Ogemaw >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Ontonagon >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?30% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?30% >> >> ?Osceola >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oscoda >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Otsego >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Ottawa >> >> ?88 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?90% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Presque Isle >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?81% >> >> ?Roscommon >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Saginaw >> >> ?75 >> >> ?75 >> >> ?61 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Sanilac >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?87% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Schoolcraft >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Shiawassee >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?74% >> >> ?St.?Clair >> >> ?52 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?44 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?St.?Joseph >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Tuscola >> >> ?25 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Van Buren >> >> ?23 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?Washtenaw >> >> ?106 >> >> ?100 >> >> ?70 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?70% >> >> ?Wayne >> >> ?568 >> >> ?519 >> >> ?325 >> >> ?194 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?28 >> >> ?68% >> >> ?Wexford >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Total >> >> ?3635 >> >> ?3457 >> >> ?2579 >> >> ?878 >> >> ?95.10% >> >> ?74.60% >> >> ?289 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?table end >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >> From: Katie Wang > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web >> Braille. Instead, when you >> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >> on your Braille >> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >> to save the >> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >> each braille volume >> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >> this multiple >> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >> than one volume. >> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >> it a great >> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >> more in the past >> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >> larger, more >> current collection. >> ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >> on your end-- It >> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >> contacting your state >> NLS library again and see if they can get you >> some?sort of technical >> support contact info. Someone from the central >> program >> that >> administers the Web Braille service might need to look >> into your >> situation. >> ?Hope this helps! >> 젨쟇atie >> >> >> On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: >> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >> in it says my user >> name and password is wrong. I have called and >> gotten it changed three >> times and it still says it. wonder what I am >> doing wrong. >> >> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >> users! I recently >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >> forward to all it has >> to offer.?But I do have this question: >> when I click on a link >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >> or something where I >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >> BrailleNote? I tried to >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >> last night, and when >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >> actual book to read >> online, but I wanted to download the book to >> read it in my >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >> date.?How can I do this? >> Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >> (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >> "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to >> contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >> Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole >> 1988%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati >> e6%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >> one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers >> generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are more >> objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update >> it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >> maybe you need sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >> be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >> family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >> myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >> charset="Windows-1252"; >> ????reply-type=original >> >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >> to discuss something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >> was one of the things I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to >> post online, I'd like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >> are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention >> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >> the help they have >> provided me over the past week. However, I thought >> I >> would also send out a >> general message to thank anyone I may have missed >> along the way. My >> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >> go, but it was exactly >> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >> such a public email >> list. >> >> Since the last time I checked the messages on this >> list was before >> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >> already said what >> happened, or at least their version of the story. >> However, I have already >> shared my version of the story about a million times >> by now, so if you are >> curious as to what happened, you will just have to >> wait for another time. >> >> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. >> I >> just wanted to show >> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >> the way. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Yes. >> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >> people to discuss >> something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >> that was one of the things >> I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to post online, I'd >> like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >> they are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >> blind people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still >> have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >> more than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that >> are more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do >> you update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your >> story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips >> need to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same >> site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a >> word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, >> and religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Amy Sabo > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >> , >> ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, >> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> ????< >> >> >> 1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. >> ca.mail.comcast.net >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" >> >> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >> (AIM) was about 2 years >> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >> the way, it was the >> FS >> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now >> it >> is inaccessible with >> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >> using? Which >> operating system? Which version of aim? >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On >> Behalf >> Of Amy Sabo >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >> STUDENTS, COLORADO >> ASSOCIATION >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >> From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >> I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >> Thanks, >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> **************************************** >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >> tia%40yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >> tia%40yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessmonsilva2003%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 15 21:21:35 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:21:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <20110715075731.GM75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> <20110715075731.GM75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <1E3CAAACE7D941E991D236684CC6CB96@OwnerPC> Joseph, Good. Are you refering to the main hotel or the overflow hotel? Glad they had a nice balance of being helpful. That is always nice for crowd control and assisting people to go where they need to go efficiently. What accomodations did they provide if any, with NFB? I know NFB doesn't believe in making many modifications, but I figured they may do a little. Did they have braille numbers on doors? How about braille menus? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:57 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years The staff were helpful and usually not too overeager to provide help when not needed. I was pleased with that. Joseph On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:21:22PM -0400, David Dodge wrote: >Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than I >did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and >they were by far the best so far. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum > >> Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard >> has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law >> Symposium >> in May. I don't know though, just a guess. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have >> the >> ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more >> and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> Anmol, >> Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That >> hasn't happened before. >> Do you know if its in the same hotel? >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be >> held >> in Orlando. >> >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >> breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila >> > >> wrote: >> >> From: Humberto Avila >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM >> I didn't send that message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> Humberto, >> >> I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from >> Dr. Maurer at >> this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would >> be in >> Orlando, making it six years. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth >> in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >> Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six >> >> years. >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti > wrote: >> >> From: Rachael Vacanti > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? >> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't >> leave until the next >> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the >> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? >> Because there were too many >> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome >> and I had a great time, >> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >> more.?I looked at >> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >> "required".?General >> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >> >> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >> announce the state >> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >> once and I don't think >> he even told me where it was.?The states should get >> them sorted out before >> convention and email their state this is when and where >> it >> is.?I know that >> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >> they did a very good >> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. >> >> Rachael >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: >> >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >> visit >> ????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >> 'help' to >> ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >> more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >> 젨?. Re: question about brail to word >> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >> 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day in mi >> ???(Josh Gregory) >> 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >> (Katie Wang) >> 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention (Elizabeth) >> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >> ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >> ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----- >> ----- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: NABS list , >> NFBMD list , >> NFB >> ????history list > Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >> 5 years >> Message-ID: >> <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Sherri" > Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> >> It was announced at the convention that conventions >> from 2013 >> through 2017 >> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend >> the length of >> the convention >> back to how it was and NFB would >> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That >> way, people could >> get excited >> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I >> liked the old >> schedule much >> better.?If we are going to keep people here for >> five years in a >> row, we need >> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >> all there is >> to do in >> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night >> before the last >> day of >> convention. >> >> >> Sherri Brun >> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >> other >> plans." John >> Lennon >> >> Check out >> http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun >> >> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> ?NFBF Newsline? chair >> www.nfbnewsline.org >> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> http://nfbfgoc.org >> Secretary FDCP INC >> www.fdcp.org >> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for blindtlk: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid >> . >> nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> ????list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> Message-ID: >> <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >> of the >> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >> the BN and >> ask questions when they're having technical >> problems.?Here's the >> link: >> >> www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> .? >> In >> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >> to the BN >> list and forward you any responses off list.? >> Hope this helps! >> >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >> format >> documents into word >> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have >> to use your >> Braille note to >> do it because there is no program that will translate >> and convert >> Keyword >> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >> (.doc) >> documents, unless >> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >> and then use >> a program >> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >> will need >> Duxbury >> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >> license if you >> don't >> already have it--you can although try it for free but >> some >> functions will be >> disabled) >> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to >> send another >> message off list >> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >> is good >> practice for >> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >> assistive >> technology. >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On Behalf >> Of Andi >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> program? >> >> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >> ask.?I use to >> use my brail >> >> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >> wondering if >> there is a >> >> program to change the files from the brail document to >> a word >> document? >> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >> simpaler to >> use the >> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? >> thank you so much >> for your >> help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Andrews >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org >> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >> First Portable >> Camera >> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >> Reading >> System >> to Support Touchscreen >> for People with Low Vision >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >> Inc.?( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >> >> www.visionaid-international.**com >> ) >> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The >> Readit Wand is a >> portable >> camera that >> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >> documents >> for >> the visually impaired. >> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >> more with >> ease >> using the Readit >> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will >> be read in a >> clear, >> human-sounding >> voice.?The ability to read all of these items >> makes Readit Wand >> the >> perfect tool >> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >> via USB. >> The >> 5-megapixel camera >> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >> recognition >> in as >> little as two >> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand >> allows for >> automatic >> multi-language >> switching when other languages are installed.? >> The portability >> and >> multiple language >> support make it the ideal tool for students who are >> learning a >> foreign language. >> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >> that >> allows >> you to save, load, >> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? >> Importing PDF >> files >> into the Readit >> software enables users to read PDF files that >> originally are >> inaccessible because >> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also >> allows you to >> save >> documents as >> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >> document as an >> MP3 >> file to listen >> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >> access >> toolbar >> designed specifically >> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the >> ability to adjust >> the >> size of the >> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >> all the basic >> controls enabling >> low vision users to capture their document, change the >> view to >> their >> preference and >> more at the click of a button. >> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >> different >> types >> of highlights, >> as well as six different ways to display text, >> allowing low >> vision >> users to customize >> the software to their personal preference. >> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >> Wand is the >> first >> portable camera >> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >> users the >> ability >> to interact >> with the software by simply using their fingers!? >> This means no >> more >> tracking the >> cursor, which provides direct interaction between the >> user and >> the >> Readit software, >> creating the best possible user experience. >> GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the >> Readit Wand >> in >> the U.S., developed >> and manufactured by VisionAid International, located >> in the >> UK.?Readit Wand will >> be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >> For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >> www.gwmicro.com, >> email >> sales at gwmicro.com >> , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >> GW Micro, Inc.?( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology >> industry >> since 1990, >> and >> continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> VisionAid International, Ltd ( >> >> www.visionaid-international.**com >> ), >> established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, >> effective >> and >> simple to use >> devices for people who are partially sighted and blind >> that make >> reading a pleasure >> once again. >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**adrianne >> . >> dempsey%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >> From: Josh Gregory > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> ????list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this day >> ????in mi >> Message-ID: >> <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.**ffffc150 at mx.google.com<4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> Hi, >> OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each >> other's >> competetors/enemies/whatever.?**So, at the moment >> anyway, I doubt >> it. >> Best, >> Josh >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> day in mi >> >> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to >> ensure >> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the >> Help >> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work >> jointly >> with ACB on this.?What does >> everyone think? >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> issues to this >> day in mi >> >> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> ?Thoughts on this? >> >> ?Chris >> >> ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities >> motto) >> >> ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >> can!" How? Click >> ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >> at I C.A.N. >> ?Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ?---- Original Message ------ >> ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" > ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >> this day in mi >> ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >> >> ?A Call to Action ? >> >> ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >> with Disabilities >> ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >> >> ?A Public Report on >> ?Polling Place >> >> ?Accessibility in Michigan >> >> ?Public Report by >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> >> ?2011 >> >> ?Acknowledgements >> >> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >> is Michigan? >> ?designated agency to advocate and protect the >> legal rights of >> ?persons with disabilities, mandated >> ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives >> funding from the >> ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >> the center for >> ?Mental Health Services ?Substance >> ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >> the >> ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >> Social Security >> ?Administration, the State of Michigan >> ?and from private donations. >> >> ?Funding for this report has been made possible >> through the U.S. >> ?Department of Health and Human Services, >> Administration for >> ?Children and Families, and the >> ?Administration on Developmental >> Disabilities.?The contents are >> ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not >> necessarily >> ?represent the official views >> ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >> Services. >> >> ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, Inc.?This >> ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its >> entirety for >> ?noncommercial purposes as long >> ?as appropriate credit is given. >> >> ?Table of Contents >> >> ?Executive >> >> >> >> >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >> ? >> ..............................**.....................5 >> >> ?Midterm >> >> >> >> >> Report........................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**...........................6 >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >> >> >> >> >> Project.......................**..............................**..... >> ?.........7 >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election >> ? >> Officials.....................**.................10 >> >> ?Next >> >> >> >> >> Steps.........................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**..............................**..11 >> >> ?In >> >> >> >> >> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >> ? >> >> ..............................**..............................**..11 >> >> ?Accessibility Rate Per >> >> >> >> >> County........................**..............................**..... >> ?.............................**...13 >> >> ?Executive Summary >> >> ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >> obstacles at voting >> ?locations often because their polling place >> lacks physical >> ?accessibility.?The Help America >> ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >> obstacles faced by >> voters >> ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the >> federally >> ?mandated Protection and Advocacy >> ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >> barriers. >> ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >> targeted for >> ?elimination in the President? proposed >> ?2012 budget. >> >> ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> Service, (MPAS), >> ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >> with helping to ensure >> ?the full participation of >> ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral >> process, >> including >> ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >> accessing polling >> ?places. >> >> ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >> that every >> ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >> to their >> polling >> ?location and has the opportunity >> ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS >> staff members are on >> ?the ground providing advice, technical >> assistance, and training >> ?to election officials about >> ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of >> disabilities.?The >> ?agency also provides outreach and training to >> voters with >> ?disabilities, poll workers, and >> ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >> of State of Michigan >> ?partnered over the past six years working toward >> this goal, >> which >> ?has been effective in >> ?increasing physical access to polling locations >> throughout >> ?Michigan. >> >> ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >> United States >> ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >> subject to intense >> ?public scrutiny each election >> ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections >> prohibit >> ?discrimination against people with disabilities >> in the electoral >> ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional >> ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge >> for individuals >> ?with disabilities despite changes made to >> federal and state laws >> ?intended to ensure full >> ?participation. >> >> ?Key Summary >> >> ???젨잻isability advocates >> have visited 95% (3,457) and >> ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >> Michigan. >> >> ???젨쟖pon initial review, >> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >> ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >> polling places >> were >> ?compliant under the Americans >> ?with Disabilities Act. >> >> ???젨잸fter working with >> state and local officials, it is >> ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >> will be increased >> ?to 90% in 2012. >> >> ???젨쟏f the locations that >> were inaccessible, 60% had one >> ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >> had three or more >> ?types of barriers. >> >> ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 >> counties in Michigan were 100% >> ?physically accessible upon initial visit. >> >> ???젨쟋PAS continues to >> receive complaints regarding the >> ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >> device. >> >> ?Michigan has made great strides toward >> accessibility at the >> ?polls.?This report will highlight the >> steps taken to ensure >> that >> ?all polling locations throughout >> ?Michigan are accessible to voters with >> disabilities.?In >> ?addition, the report will offer recommendations >> for Michigan to >> ?achieve and maintain an accessibility >> ?rate of 100%. >> >> ?2010 Mid Term Report >> >> ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >> the country, >> ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >> in 2002.?HAVA >> ?included sweeping legislation >> ?intended to modernize the electoral system for >> all voters, >> ?including those with disabilities.?The >> Help America Vote Act >> ?reinforced the application of >> ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >> and Section 504 >> ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >> 2004, Michigan >> ?lawmakers amended Michigan election >> ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >> removal of physical >> ?barriers at polling locations.? >> Irrespective of both federal and >> ?state law, 25% of Michigan's >> ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible >> for the November >> ?2010 general election.?To achieve an >> all-encompassing voting >> ?standard for the fifty states, >> ?HAVA included two key components for the >> disability community: >> >> ???젨잸ll polling places >> must have at least one voting system >> ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >> privately and >> ?independently, whether or not one >> ?has a disability. >> >> ???젨쟔tates must ensure >> accessibility at all public polling >> ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans >> with >> Disabilities >> ?Act (ADA). >> >> ?Accessible Voting System >> >> ?In 2004, the disability community and the >> Michigan Secretary of >> ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >> assessing which >> ?accessible device would best >> ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >> selected the >> ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible >> ballot marking device >> ?that can be used by all voters >> ?with or without disabilities. >> >> ?Although every polling location is equipped with >> the AutoMARK, >> ?each municipality is responsible for making sure >> it is set up >> and >> ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, >> ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >> AutoMARK.?Voter >> ?complaints have included the following:? >> the AutoMARK was boxed >> ?up on Election Day, unplugged, >> ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >> could see the >> ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >> jammed ballots have been >> ?greatly reduced since the >> ?last round of updates were completed.? >> Because the AutoMARK is >> ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >> feedback to >> ?correct these kinds of problems. >> ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >> complaints as they >> ?arise. >> >> ?Accessible Polling Places >> >> ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >> money to assist >> with >> ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the >> AutoMARK, but also >> ?to help municipalities >> ?make their polling places physically >> accessible.?Congress >> ?recognized that in order for people to use the >> accessible voting >> ?machines, the building must >> ?also be accessible so voters can access the >> polling location and >> ?voting equipment.?It is the local election >> officials? >> ?responsibility to make sure all >> ?polling locations are accessible on Election >> Day.?To help cover >> ?the expense for removing barriers at polling >> locations, the >> ?Michigan BOE administers a >> ?grant program called Access for All, under the >> U.S.?Department >> ?of Health and Human Services with funding >> allocated through >> HAVA, >> ?to help the state comply >> ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the >> Access for All grants >> ?cover all costs associated with accessibility >> upgrades for >> ?polling locations. >> >> ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement >> provisions under HAVA >> was >> ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >> required to complete an >> ?accessibility checklist >> ?to determine whether or not their locations were >> accessible. >> ?This was one of the state? first attempts to >> gather information >> ?on Michigan? polling place >> ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >> other organizations >> ?were working closely with individual election >> officials on >> ?polling location reviews and >> ?were also training the municipal clerks on the >> accessibility >> ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a >> considerable amount of time >> ?assisting clerks with assessing >> ?the accessibility of their polling locations and >> helping them >> ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >> found that the >> ?accessibility data provided by >> ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >> reliable. >> >> ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >> (BOE) attention >> and >> ?shared independent accessibility reviews with >> them.?The BOE has >> ?since increased efforts >> ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >> communication >> ?and requiring additional documentation from the >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >> polling locations >> ?randomly, without notifying the election >> official in advance. >> ?After compiling this data on >> ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >> of >> ?inaccessibility became a heightened >> concern.?Once these >> concerns >> ?were communicated to the Bureau of >> ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >> dramatically >> ?increasing their involvement in the advancement >> of polling place >> ?accessibility. >> >> ?This same year, the federal government began >> reviewing how the >> ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >> fueled speculation that >> ?the federal government would >> ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >> some states had >> ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an >> account and >> ?allowing the funds to gain >> ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would >> pull the allocated >> funds >> ?completely, which would prevent municipalities >> from accessing >> ?money to make polling places >> ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >> of Elections, >> ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >> accessibility at all >> ?Michigan polling places. >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >> >> ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >> of a statewide >> ?plan to reach 100% polling place >> accessibility.?MPAS and the >> ?Bureau of Elections strengthened >> ?their partnership in order to achieve this >> goal.?Within this >> ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >> locations throughout >> ?the state.?Michigan has >> ?approximately 3,600 polling places in >> total.?MPAS had already >> ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior >> to 2010, >> ?therefore, did not revisit those >> ?locations (some were initially accessible and >> others MPAS worked >> ?closely with clerks to improve >> accessibility.?MPAS is still >> ?working with clerks to bring >> ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >> into compliance). >> ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >> polling locations in >> ?2010. >> >> ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >> least 95% of the >> ?polling places in Michigan. >> >> ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >> nearly 25% of the >> ?polling places that remained physically >> inaccessible as required >> ?by the Americans with >> ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >> 2,927 were assessed >> ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG >> as a benchmark to >> ?determine physical accessibility, >> ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >> locations visited, >> ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the >> ADAAG ? >> barriers >> ?that create potential >> ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on >> Election Day. >> >> ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >> from fully >> ?participating in all aspects of society because >> of their >> ?disability.?This might include >> architectural >> ?barriers, physical barriers, communication >> barriers, attitudinal >> ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? >> Throughout this project, >> MPAS? >> ?reviews focused primarily >> ?on physical and external barriers, which are >> defined as >> something >> ?material that blocks passage.?Physical >> barriers addressed in >> ?this report include objects >> ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >> doorways, >> ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >> inaccessible door >> ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >> >> ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >> 2010, 28% did not >> ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on >> discussions with the BOE >> ?in 2008, when MPAS completed >> ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >> notified with a >> ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >> they were also >> ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. >> ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >> municipalities >> ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >> letters contained a >> ?photograph of the problem area(s), >> ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? >> Within a five month >> ?period, letters were sent to over 440 >> municipalities concerning >> ?approximately 800 polling >> ?locations. >> >> ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places >> visited in 2010 had >> ?some type of physical barrier present at the >> time of review. >> >> ?The following chart highlights the most common >> number of >> physical >> ?barriers discovered at each location. >> >> ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only >> one physical >> ?barrier present.?While the largest and >> most frequent problem >> was >> ?related to parking, the types >> ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in >> the following >> ?chart. >> >> ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >> accessible parking >> ?but no signs posted?Parking:? >> locations that had no parking >> ?designated or noncompliant access >> ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that >> existed between access aisles >> and >> ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >> door width, door >> ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >> ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >> ramps, handrails, >> ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >> >> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >> Election Officials >> >> ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >> notified municipal >> ?clerks of locations where barriers were >> discovered.?Within a >> ?four-month period, over 440 >> ?letters were sent to election officials.? >> By the end of 2010, >> 88% >> ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >> plan of >> correction. >> ?In addition, MPAS >> ?provided technical assistance to the election >> officials on how >> to >> ?improve access to their polling location in >> order to come into >> ?compliance.젨잹ased on >> ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >> us they were >> ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected >> the barriers at >> ?the polling locations; 9% >> ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; >> and the remaining >> ?responses varied from clerk using temporary >> equipment. >> >> ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >> completed, MPAS >> ?required documentation from each clerk proving >> or stating that >> ?the work had been completed, >> ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase >> orders.?A >> ?majority of the clerks responded either with a >> plan of >> correction >> ?for spring 2011 or with a >> ?statement that the work was completed.? >> MPAS is still waiting >> for >> ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done >> sufficiently. >> Once >> ?the removal of barriers >> ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS >> expects Michigan? >> ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to >> nearly 90 % ?-- >> ?one of the highest in the nation. >> ?There remains, however, substantial work to be >> completed in the >> ?city of Detroit in order to reach this >> goal.?The remaining 12% >> ?of clerks, who did not respond >> ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >> correction, >> will >> ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >> accessibility. >> >> ?NEXT STEPS >> >> ?While the focus of this report has been on >> reaching the 90% >> ?accessibility rate, there would still be >> approximately 10% of >> ?polling locations in Michigan >> ?that are not accessible to all voters.? >> Some clerks disagree >> with >> ?the findings and MPAS is working with those >> clerks. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >> polling locations >> ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >> breaking them >> into >> ?three categories: failure >> ?to communicate; work promised but documentation >> still needed; >> and >> ?locations requiring review by MPAS. >> >> ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials >> who have failed >> ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? >> This may involve >> ?revisiting the location (some >> ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail >> to respond), >> ?attending city council/township meetings, filing >> official HAVA >> ?complaints, and/or pursuing >> ?legal action under different funding >> sources.?MPAS?goal has >> ?always been to educate clerks and assist them >> with improving >> ?access first by proposing solutions >> ?to removing barriers. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >> monitoring the >> ?correction plans that election officials have >> submitted to >> ensure >> ?that barriers are removed. >> ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >> locations that have >> ?not been visited yet. >> >> ?In Summary >> >> ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >> between MPAS and >> the >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >> crucial.?The state >> ?reinforced the necessity of >> ?accessible elections.?They followed up >> with each municipality >> ?whose polling place was noted as being >> inaccessible in order to >> ?determine the jurisdiction's >> ?planned course of action.?In addition, the >> BOE coordinated and >> ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement >> grant well into >> the >> ?fall to assist municipalities >> ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> >> ?Local election officials can either upgrade >> their polling places >> ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the >> polling place to >> ?an accessible site.?The >> ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >> project, they >> ?have seen a large increase in the number of >> municipalities >> ?applying for grant money.?In >> ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >> extended the >> ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >> additional >> ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? >> ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >> funds.?The >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >> applications, the >> ?largest amount ever received >> ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >> applications, 66 >> ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >> plan of >> ?correction - 89% of those who applied. >> ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to >> apply when the >> ?next grant period opens in early 2011. >> >> ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >> proposed >> budget >> ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >> partnership with the >> ?Secretary of State, ensuring >> ?all elections are accessible to all >> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >> ?encourages clerks to reach out to local >> disability groups for >> ?future trainings.?Listed >> ?below are additional recommendations moving >> forward. >> >> ?Summary/Recommendations: >> >> ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be >> required to notify the Bureau of >> ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. >> >> ???젨잸ccessibility checks >> should be completed when clerks >> ?change polling locations, to verify >> accessibility.?Reports >> (with >> ?photographs) should be submitted >> ?to the Bureau of Elections. >> >> ???젨쟍ew polling locations >> must be required to adhere to the >> ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >> Guidelines. >> >> ???젨쟕he advisory committee >> in charge of amending the State >> ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >> ways to hold >> ?clerks accountable and implement >> ?model oversight programs. >> >> ???젨잸ccess for All grant >> money should be available >> throughout >> ?the year, so accessibility problems can be >> addressed anytime >> they >> ?arise. >> >> ???젨쟕he Bureau of >> Elections and local clerks should continue >> ?working with disability advocacy organizations >> to complete >> ?year-round polling place accessibility >> ?audits and training to clerks. >> >> ?Accessibility Rate by County >> >> ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >> >> ?County >> >> ?Polling Locations >> >> ?Visited >> >> ?Accessible >> >> ?Barriers Discovered >> >> ?Percent Visited >> >> ?% Accessible of those Visited >> >> ?Now Complete >> >> ?% Now Accessible >> >> ?Alcona >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Alger >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Allegan >> >> ?37 >> >> ?37 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?95% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Alpena >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Antrim >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Arenac >> >> ?14 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Baraga >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?17% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?33% >> >> ?Barry >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Bay >> >> ?49 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Benzie >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?46% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Berrien >> >> ?57 >> >> ?57 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Branch >> >> ?18 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Calhoun >> >> ?46 >> >> ?43 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Cass >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Charlevoix >> >> ?18 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Cheboygan >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Chippewa >> >> ?19 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?72% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clare >> >> ?19 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?84% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clinton >> >> ?28 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Crawford >> >> ?7 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Delta >> >> ?21 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Dickinson >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?40% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Eaton >> >> ?36 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Emmet >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Genesee >> >> ?119 >> >> ?109 >> >> ?84 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Gladwin >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Gogebic >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Grand Traverse >> >> ?28 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Gratiot >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Hillsdale >> >> ?21 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Houghton >> >> ?31 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?41% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?64% >> >> ?Huron >> >> ?30 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Ingham >> >> ?95 >> >> ?81 >> >> ?78 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?85% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Ionia >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Iosco >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?93% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Iron >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Isabella >> >> ?25 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Jackson >> >> ?47 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Kalamazoo >> >> ?97 >> >> ?97 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?7 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Kalkaska >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Kent >> >> ?209 >> >> ?207 >> >> ?174 >> >> ?33 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?11 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Keweenaw >> >> ?5 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Lake >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Lapeer >> >> ?24 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?83% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Leelanau >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?62% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Lenawee >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Livingston >> >> ?48 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Luce >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Mackinac >> >> ?13 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Macomb >> >> ?235 >> >> ?233 >> >> ?188 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?17 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Manistee >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?73% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Marquette >> >> ?29 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?59% >> >> ?Mason >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Mecosta >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Menominee >> >> ?16 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?57% >> >> ?Midland >> >> ?38 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?76% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Missaukee >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Monroe >> >> ?42 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Montcalm >> >> ?26 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?84% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Montmorency >> >> ?9 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Muskegon >> >> ?72 >> >> ?71 >> >> ?68 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?96% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?Newaygo >> >> ?28 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oakland >> >> ?410 >> >> ?380 >> >> ?292 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?46 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oceana >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Ogemaw >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Ontonagon >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?30% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?30% >> >> ?Osceola >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oscoda >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Otsego >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Ottawa >> >> ?88 >> >> ?88 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?90% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Presque Isle >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?81% >> >> ?Roscommon >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Saginaw >> >> ?75 >> >> ?75 >> >> ?61 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Sanilac >> >> ?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?87% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?Schoolcraft >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Shiawassee >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?74% >> >> ?St.?Clair >> >> ?52 >> >> ?48 >> >> ?44 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?St.?Joseph >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?82% >> >> ?Tuscola >> >> ?25 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Van Buren >> >> ?23 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?Washtenaw >> >> ?106 >> >> ?100 >> >> ?70 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?70% >> >> ?Wayne >> >> ?568 >> >> ?519 >> >> ?325 >> >> ?194 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?28 >> >> ?68% >> >> ?Wexford >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Total >> >> ?3635 >> >> ?3457 >> >> ?2579 >> >> ?878 >> >> ?95.10% >> >> ?74.60% >> >> ?289 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?table end >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >> From: Katie Wang > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web >> Braille. Instead, when you >> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >> on your Braille >> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >> to save the >> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >> each braille volume >> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >> this multiple >> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >> than one volume. >> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >> it a great >> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >> more in the past >> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >> larger, more >> current collection. >> ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >> on your end-- It >> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >> contacting your state >> NLS library again and see if they can get you >> some?sort of technical >> support contact info. Someone from the central >> program >> that >> administers the Web Braille service might need to look >> into your >> situation. >> ?Hope this helps! >> 젨쟇atie >> >> >> On 7/10/11, Lea williams > wrote: >> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >> in it says my user >> name and password is wrong. I have called and >> gotten it changed three >> times and it still says it. wonder what I am >> doing wrong. >> >> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >> users! I recently >> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >> forward to all it has >> to offer.?But I do have this question: >> when I click on a link >> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >> or something where I >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >> BrailleNote? I tried to >> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >> last night, and when >> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >> actual book to read >> online, but I wanted to download the book to >> read it in my >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >> date.?How can I do this? >> Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >> (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >> "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to >> contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >> Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole >> 1988%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati >> e6%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >> Message-ID: >> <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >> one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers >> generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are more >> objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update >> it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >> maybe you need sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >> be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >> family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >> myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >> charset="Windows-1252"; >> ????reply-type=original >> >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >> to discuss something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >> was one of the things I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to >> post online, I'd like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >> are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that are >> more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >> Convention >> Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >> the help they have >> provided me over the past week. However, I thought >> I >> would also send out a >> general message to thank anyone I may have missed >> along the way. My >> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >> go, but it was exactly >> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >> such a public email >> list. >> >> Since the last time I checked the messages on this >> list was before >> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >> already said what >> happened, or at least their version of the story. >> However, I have already >> shared my version of the story about a million times >> by now, so if you are >> curious as to what happened, you will just have to >> wait for another time. >> >> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. >> I >> just wanted to show >> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >> the way. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Yes. >> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >> people to discuss >> something >> common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >> that was one of the things >> I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >> to post online, I'd >> like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >> they are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >> blind people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they still >> have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >> more than one blog. >> So what accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers generally write first >> person stories, or about things they see that >> are more objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often do >> you update it??Is it possible to >> upload photos to it to go along with your >> story? Or maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about audio? What format do audio clips >> need to be in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the same >> site? Can >> you write as much as you want or is there a >> word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >> friends and family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions on things like books, technology, >> and religion. >> >> What site can you write like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Amy Sabo > To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >> , >> ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, >> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" > Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> ????< >> >> >> 1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. >> ca.mail.comcast.net >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list'" >> ????> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> Message-ID: >> <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" >> >> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >> (AIM) was about 2 years >> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >> the way, it was the >> FS >> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now >> it >> is inaccessible with >> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >> using? Which >> operating system? Which version of aim? >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >> On >> Behalf >> Of Amy Sabo >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >> STUDENTS, COLORADO >> ASSOCIATION >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with the latest >> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> features on it to change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >> From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >> I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >> Thanks, >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >> **************************************** >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >> tia%40yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >> tia%40yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From trising at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 15 21:24:11 2011 From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:24:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pacmate versus Braille note apex versus Braille sense References: Message-ID: I use a Pac Mate BX40. If I could only have one piece of technology, this is the one I would have. I use it in all the NFB of Michigan meetings. I take Minutes with it as the Secretary for NFB of Michigan, and then edit the Minutes before sending them out. I also do a lot of reading on the Pac Mate. You will be very comfortable with the Pac Mate if you are a Jaws user. The Braille display makes editing and word processing much easier and faster. I had to send in my display because the Whizz Wheels became loose after I read all seven Harry Potter books in three months. Terri Wilcox -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 494 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 21:34:20 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:34:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] frustration with Humanware-- Any suggestions? Message-ID: Hello, all, Sorry that this sounds like an off-topic rant, but I'm having some major issues with Humanware and wonder if any of you has had similar experiences or any advice to offer. I sent my Braille Note PK in for a routine battery replacement toward the beginning of June-- the unit was in perfect working order otherwise-- but when I got it back about two weeks ago the unit wouldn't even turn on. I sent it back for a re-service right away, and they ended up having to replace the main board of the unit (for some reason that no one could explain to me, it was broken during the first, supposedly routine repair). I just got the unit back today, and guess what... the compact flash card slot isn't working! I spoke firmly with both the technical support and customer service representatives there to express my displeasure, and they have instructed me to send the unit back in again, as no one seems to have any idea about what may have caused the problem. Of course, all the re-servicing has been free of charge, but I personally find the situation ridiculous; I have been pretty satisfied with Humanware up until now after being a BN user for the past 6-7 years, so this is a huge disappointment. Has anyone had similar problems with either Humanware or any other assistive technology vendors? Did you do anything to address the issue other than to follow up with repeated phone calls? Thanks for reading and putting up with the rambling complaint! Katie From dandrews at visi.com Fri Jul 15 22:56:09 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:56:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Facebook Message-ID: > >You can now join us on Facebook. Just type in >ExecutiveProductsInc and become a friend and get updates. > >We are creating a protective case for the iPad/Tablet called the “Sleeve”. > >So tell a friend and check out our wall. >Click on the link below and tell us about our >products and if you like our page. > > >http://www.facebook.com/pages/Executive-Products-Inc/210210572357563 > > > >Protect your unit .. Buy an EPI case. > >Executive Products Inc. >tback_yellow-1 > >12900 Bradley Ave. >Sylmar Ca. 91342. >Fax: 818-833-5890 >Office: 818-833-8080 >Mobile: 818-723-8444 >www.ExecutiveProductsinc.com > > > From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 22:57:35 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:57:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <1E3CAAACE7D941E991D236684CC6CB96@OwnerPC> References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> <20110715075731.GM75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> <1E3CAAACE7D941E991D236684CC6CB96@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, Hotels should have braille numbers on doors anyway, as per the ADA. I've only seen one or two hotels that didn't. But yeah, over-all, I liked the way the staff helped you; they gave directions usually, especially when you told them they didn't have to just take you where you were going. The Rosen Centre staff was a little better at that, but that might just be because there were only a few hundred of us in there as opposed to a couple thousand. I had to roll my eyes a little bit when they poured our salad dressing for us and handed us our bread at the banquet but that's really minor, I guess. Best, Kirt On 7/15/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joseph, > Good. Are you refering to the main hotel or the overflow hotel? > Glad they had a nice balance of being helpful. That is always nice for crowd > control and assisting people to go where they need to go efficiently. > What accomodations did they provide if any, with NFB? I know NFB doesn't > believe in making many modifications, but I figured they may do a little. > Did they have braille numbers on doors? How about braille menus? > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: T. Joseph Carter > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:57 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > > The staff were helpful and usually not too overeager to provide help > when not needed. I was pleased with that. > > Joseph > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:21:22PM -0400, David Dodge wrote: >>Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than I >>did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and >>they were by far the best so far. >> >>David >>---------------------------------- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >>2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum >> >>> Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard >>> has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law >>> Symposium >>> in May. I don't know though, just a guess. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have >>> the >>> ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more >>> and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>> Anmol, >>> Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That >>> hasn't happened before. >>> Do you know if its in the same hotel? >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Anmol Bhatia >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>> It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be >>> held >>> in Orlando. >>> >>> Anmol >>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >>> breeze >>> among flowers. >>> Hellen Keller >>> >>> >>> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> From: Humberto Avila >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM >>> I didn't send that message. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>> Humberto, >>> >>> I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from >>> Dr. Maurer at >>> this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would >>> be in >>> Orlando, making it six years. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >>> motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth >>> in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >>> Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Anmol Bhatia >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>> The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six >>> >>> years. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti >> wrote: >>> >>> From: Rachael Vacanti >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >>> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? >>> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >>> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't >>> leave until the next >>> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >>> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >>> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the >>> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >>> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? >>> Because there were too many >>> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome >>> and I had a great time, >>> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >>> more.?I looked at >>> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >>> "required".?General >>> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >>> >>> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >>> announce the state >>> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >>> once and I don't think >>> he even told me where it was.?The states should get >>> them sorted out before >>> convention and email their state this is when and where >>> it >>> is.?I know that >>> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >>> they did a very good >>> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. >>> >>> Rachael >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, >> wrote: >>> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>> ????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >>> visit >>> ????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >>> 'help' to >>> ????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> ????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >>> more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >>> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >>> 젨?. Re: question about brail to word >>> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >>> 젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this day in mi >>> ???(Josh Gregory) >>> 젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >>> (Katie Wang) >>> 젨?. accessible blog and journal sites >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (Joshua Lester) >>> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 젨?. Thanks for the Help at National >>> Convention (Elizabeth) >>> 젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (Joshua Lester) >>> ?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >>> ?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >>> ?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----- >>> ----- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: NABS list , >>> NFBMD list , >>> NFB >>> ????history list >> Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >>> 5 years >>> Message-ID: >>> <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> >>> >>> ?---- Original Message ------ >>> From: "Sherri" >> Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >>> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >>> >>> It was announced at the convention that conventions >>> from 2013 >>> through 2017 >>> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend >>> the length of >>> the convention >>> back to how it was and NFB would >>> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That >>> way, people could >>> get excited >>> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I >>> liked the old >>> schedule much >>> better.?If we are going to keep people here for >>> five years in a >>> row, we need >>> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >>> all there is >>> to do in >>> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night >>> before the last >>> day of >>> convention. >>> >>> >>> Sherri Brun >>> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >>> other >>> plans." John >>> Lennon >>> >>> Check out >>> http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun >>> >>> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >>> ?NFBF Newsline? chair >>> www.nfbnewsline.org >>> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >>> http://nfbfgoc.org >>> Secretary FDCP INC >>> www.fdcp.org >>> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for blindtlk: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid >>> . >>> nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> ????list>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> Message-ID: >>> <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >>> of the >>> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >>> the BN and >>> ask questions when they're having technical >>> problems.?Here's the >>> link: >>> >>> www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> .? >>> In >>> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >>> to the BN >>> list and forward you any responses off list.? >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> ?Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >>> youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >>> How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list'" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> >>> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >>> format >>> documents into word >>> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have >>> to use your >>> Braille note to >>> do it because there is no program that will translate >>> and convert >>> Keyword >>> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >>> (.doc) >>> documents, unless >>> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >>> and then use >>> a program >>> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >>> will need >>> Duxbury >>> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >>> license if you >>> don't >>> already have it--you can although try it for free but >>> some >>> functions will be >>> disabled) >>> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to >>> send another >>> message off list >>> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >>> is good >>> practice for >>> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >>> assistive >>> technology. >>> Cheers,?Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Andi >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> >>> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >>> ask.?I use to >>> use my brail >>> >>> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >>> wondering if >>> there is a >>> >>> program to change the files from the brail document to >>> a word >>> document? >>> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >>> simpaler to >>> use the >>> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? >>> thank you so much >>> for your >>> help. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >>> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >>> First Portable >>> Camera >>> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >>> >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >>> Reading >>> System >>> to Support Touchscreen >>> for People with Low Vision >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >>> Inc.?( >>> www.gwmicro.com) >>> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >>> >>> www.visionaid-international.**com >>> ) >>> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The >>> Readit Wand is a >>> portable >>> camera that >>> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >>> documents >>> for >>> the visually impaired. >>> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >>> more with >>> ease >>> using the Readit >>> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will >>> be read in a >>> clear, >>> human-sounding >>> voice.?The ability to read all of these items >>> makes Readit Wand >>> the >>> perfect tool >>> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >>> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >>> via USB. >>> The >>> 5-megapixel camera >>> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >>> recognition >>> in as >>> little as two >>> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand >>> allows for >>> automatic >>> multi-language >>> switching when other languages are installed.? >>> The portability >>> and >>> multiple language >>> support make it the ideal tool for students who are >>> learning a >>> foreign language. >>> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >>> that >>> allows >>> you to save, load, >>> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? >>> Importing PDF >>> files >>> into the Readit >>> software enables users to read PDF files that >>> originally are >>> inaccessible because >>> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also >>> allows you to >>> save >>> documents as >>> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >>> document as an >>> MP3 >>> file to listen >>> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >>> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >>> access >>> toolbar >>> designed specifically >>> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the >>> ability to adjust >>> the >>> size of the >>> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >>> all the basic >>> controls enabling >>> low vision users to capture their document, change the >>> view to >>> their >>> preference and >>> more at the click of a button. >>> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >>> different >>> types >>> of highlights, >>> as well as six different ways to display text, >>> allowing low >>> vision >>> users to customize >>> the software to their personal preference. >>> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >>> Wand is the >>> first >>> portable camera >>> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >>> users the >>> ability >>> to interact >>> with the software by simply using their fingers!? >>> This means no >>> more >>> tracking the >>> cursor, which provides direct interaction between the >>> user and >>> the >>> Readit software, >>> creating the best possible user experience. >>> GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the >>> Readit Wand >>> in >>> the U.S., developed >>> and manufactured by VisionAid International, located >>> in the >>> UK.?Readit Wand will >>> be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >>> For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >>> www.gwmicro.com, >>> email >>> sales at gwmicro.com >>> , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >>> GW Micro, Inc.?( >>> www.gwmicro.com) >>> has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology >>> industry >>> since 1990, >>> and >>> continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >>> solutions. >>> VisionAid International, Ltd ( >>> >>> www.visionaid-international.**com >>> ), >>> established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, >>> effective >>> and >>> simple to use >>> devices for people who are partially sighted and blind >>> that make >>> reading a pleasure >>> once again. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**adrianne >>> . >>> dempsey%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >>> t.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >>> From: Josh Gregory >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> ????list>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this day >>> ????in mi >>> Message-ID: >>> <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.**ffffc150 at mx.google.com<4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> Hi, >>> OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each >>> other's >>> competetors/enemies/whatever.?**So, at the moment >>> anyway, I doubt >>> it. >>> Best, >>> Josh >>> >>> sent from my Apex >>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> >>> ?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this >>> day in mi >>> >>> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to >>> ensure >>> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the >>> Help >>> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work >>> jointly >>> with ACB on this.?What does >>> everyone think? >>> ?Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >>> youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >>> How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this >>> day in mi >>> >>> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >>> ?Thoughts on this? >>> >>> ?Chris >>> >>> ?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities >>> motto) >>> >>> ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >>> impaired youth in >>> ?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >>> can!" How? Click >>> ?on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> ?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >>> at I C.A.N. >>> ?Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ?---- Original Message ------ >>> ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" >> ?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >>> this day in mi >>> ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >>> >>> ?A Call to Action ? >>> >>> ?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >>> with Disabilities >>> ?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >>> >>> ?A Public Report on >>> ?Polling Place >>> >>> ?Accessibility in Michigan >>> >>> ?Public Report by >>> >>> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >>> >>> ?2011 >>> >>> ?Acknowledgements >>> >>> ?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >>> is Michigan? >>> ?designated agency to advocate and protect the >>> legal rights of >>> ?persons with disabilities, mandated >>> ?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives >>> funding from the >>> ?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >>> the center for >>> ?Mental Health Services ?Substance >>> ?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >>> the >>> ?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >>> Social Security >>> ?Administration, the State of Michigan >>> ?and from private donations. >>> >>> ?Funding for this report has been made possible >>> through the U.S. >>> ?Department of Health and Human Services, >>> Administration for >>> ?Children and Families, and the >>> ?Administration on Developmental >>> Disabilities.?The contents are >>> ?the sole responsibility of the author and do not >>> necessarily >>> ?represent the official views >>> ?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >>> Services. >>> >>> ?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> Service, Inc.?This >>> ?publication may be reproduced in part or in its >>> entirety for >>> ?noncommercial purposes as long >>> ?as appropriate credit is given. >>> >>> ?Table of Contents >>> >>> ?Executive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >>> ? >>> ..............................**.....................5 >>> >>> ?Midterm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Report........................**..............................**..... >>> ? >>> >>> ..............................**...........................6 >>> >>> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Project.......................**..............................**..... >>> ?.........7 >>> >>> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >>> Election >>> ? >>> Officials.....................**.................10 >>> >>> ?Next >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Steps.........................**..............................**..... >>> ? >>> >>> ..............................**..............................**..11 >>> >>> ?In >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Summary.......................**..............................**..... >>> ? >>> >>> ..............................**..............................**..11 >>> >>> ?Accessibility Rate Per >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> County........................**..............................**..... >>> ?.............................**...13 >>> >>> ?Executive Summary >>> >>> ?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >>> obstacles at voting >>> ?locations often because their polling place >>> lacks physical >>> ?accessibility.?The Help America >>> ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >>> obstacles faced by >>> voters >>> ?with disabilities and authorized funding for the >>> federally >>> ?mandated Protection and Advocacy >>> ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >>> barriers. >>> ?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >>> targeted for >>> ?elimination in the President? proposed >>> ?2012 budget. >>> >>> ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> Service, (MPAS), >>> ?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >>> with helping to ensure >>> ?the full participation of >>> ?individuals with disabilities in the electoral >>> process, >>> including >>> ?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >>> accessing polling >>> ?places. >>> >>> ?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >>> that every >>> ?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >>> to their >>> polling >>> ?location and has the opportunity >>> ?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS >>> staff members are on >>> ?the ground providing advice, technical >>> assistance, and training >>> ?to election officials about >>> ?voting accessibility across the spectrum of >>> disabilities.?The >>> ?agency also provides outreach and training to >>> voters with >>> ?disabilities, poll workers, and >>> ?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >>> of State of Michigan >>> ?partnered over the past six years working toward >>> this goal, >>> which >>> ?has been effective in >>> ?increasing physical access to polling locations >>> throughout >>> ?Michigan. >>> >>> ?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >>> United States >>> ?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >>> subject to intense >>> ?public scrutiny each election >>> ?cycle.?Provisions within these protections >>> prohibit >>> ?discrimination against people with disabilities >>> in the electoral >>> ?process.?Exercising their Constitutional >>> ?right, however, has continued to be a challenge >>> for individuals >>> ?with disabilities despite changes made to >>> federal and state laws >>> ?intended to ensure full >>> ?participation. >>> >>> ?Key Summary >>> >>> ???젨잻isability advocates >>> have visited 95% (3,457) and >>> ?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >>> Michigan. >>> >>> ???젨쟖pon initial review, >>> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> ?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >>> polling places >>> were >>> ?compliant under the Americans >>> ?with Disabilities Act. >>> >>> ???젨잸fter working with >>> state and local officials, it is >>> ?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >>> will be increased >>> ?to 90% in 2012. >>> >>> ???젨쟏f the locations that >>> were inaccessible, 60% had one >>> ?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >>> had three or more >>> ?types of barriers. >>> >>> ???젨쟏nly six of the 84 >>> counties in Michigan were 100% >>> ?physically accessible upon initial visit. >>> >>> ???젨쟋PAS continues to >>> receive complaints regarding the >>> ?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >>> device. >>> >>> ?Michigan has made great strides toward >>> accessibility at the >>> ?polls.?This report will highlight the >>> steps taken to ensure >>> that >>> ?all polling locations throughout >>> ?Michigan are accessible to voters with >>> disabilities.?In >>> ?addition, the report will offer recommendations >>> for Michigan to >>> ?achieve and maintain an accessibility >>> ?rate of 100%. >>> >>> ?2010 Mid Term Report >>> >>> ?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >>> the country, >>> ?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >>> in 2002.?HAVA >>> ?included sweeping legislation >>> ?intended to modernize the electoral system for >>> all voters, >>> ?including those with disabilities.?The >>> Help America Vote Act >>> ?reinforced the application of >>> ?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >>> and Section 504 >>> ?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >>> 2004, Michigan >>> ?lawmakers amended Michigan election >>> ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >>> removal of physical >>> ?barriers at polling locations.? >>> Irrespective of both federal and >>> ?state law, 25% of Michigan's >>> ?voting locations continued to be inaccessible >>> for the November >>> ?2010 general election.?To achieve an >>> all-encompassing voting >>> ?standard for the fifty states, >>> ?HAVA included two key components for the >>> disability community: >>> >>> ???젨잸ll polling places >>> must have at least one voting system >>> ?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >>> privately and >>> ?independently, whether or not one >>> ?has a disability. >>> >>> ???젨쟔tates must ensure >>> accessibility at all public polling >>> ?places in a manner compliant with the Americans >>> with >>> Disabilities >>> ?Act (ADA). >>> >>> ?Accessible Voting System >>> >>> ?In 2004, the disability community and the >>> Michigan Secretary of >>> ?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >>> assessing which >>> ?accessible device would best >>> ?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >>> selected the >>> ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible >>> ballot marking device >>> ?that can be used by all voters >>> ?with or without disabilities. >>> >>> ?Although every polling location is equipped with >>> the AutoMARK, >>> ?each municipality is responsible for making sure >>> it is set up >>> and >>> ?operating properly.?Unfortunately, >>> ?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >>> AutoMARK.?Voter >>> ?complaints have included the following:? >>> the AutoMARK was boxed >>> ?up on Election Day, unplugged, >>> ?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >>> could see the >>> ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >>> jammed ballots have been >>> ?greatly reduced since the >>> ?last round of updates were completed.? >>> Because the AutoMARK is >>> ?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >>> feedback to >>> ?correct these kinds of problems. >>> ?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >>> complaints as they >>> ?arise. >>> >>> ?Accessible Polling Places >>> >>> ?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >>> money to assist >>> with >>> ?the purchase of accessible equipment like the >>> AutoMARK, but also >>> ?to help municipalities >>> ?make their polling places physically >>> accessible.?Congress >>> ?recognized that in order for people to use the >>> accessible voting >>> ?machines, the building must >>> ?also be accessible so voters can access the >>> polling location and >>> ?voting equipment.?It is the local election >>> officials? >>> ?responsibility to make sure all >>> ?polling locations are accessible on Election >>> Day.?To help cover >>> ?the expense for removing barriers at polling >>> locations, the >>> ?Michigan BOE administers a >>> ?grant program called Access for All, under the >>> U.S.?Department >>> ?of Health and Human Services with funding >>> allocated through >>> HAVA, >>> ?to help the state comply >>> ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the >>> Access for All grants >>> ?cover all costs associated with accessibility >>> upgrades for >>> ?polling locations. >>> >>> ?When Michigan? State Plan to implement >>> provisions under HAVA >>> was >>> ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >>> required to complete an >>> ?accessibility checklist >>> ?to determine whether or not their locations were >>> accessible. >>> ?This was one of the state? first attempts to >>> gather information >>> ?on Michigan? polling place >>> ?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >>> other organizations >>> ?were working closely with individual election >>> officials on >>> ?polling location reviews and >>> ?were also training the municipal clerks on the >>> accessibility >>> ?requirements.?MPAS also spent a >>> considerable amount of time >>> ?assisting clerks with assessing >>> ?the accessibility of their polling locations and >>> helping them >>> ?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >>> found that the >>> ?accessibility data provided by >>> ?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >>> reliable. >>> >>> ?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >>> (BOE) attention >>> and >>> ?shared independent accessibility reviews with >>> them.?The BOE has >>> ?since increased efforts >>> ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >>> communication >>> ?and requiring additional documentation from the >>> clerks. >>> >>> ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >>> polling locations >>> ?randomly, without notifying the election >>> official in advance. >>> ?After compiling this data on >>> ?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >>> of >>> ?inaccessibility became a heightened >>> concern.?Once these >>> concerns >>> ?were communicated to the Bureau of >>> ?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >>> dramatically >>> ?increasing their involvement in the advancement >>> of polling place >>> ?accessibility. >>> >>> ?This same year, the federal government began >>> reviewing how the >>> ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >>> fueled speculation that >>> ?the federal government would >>> ?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >>> some states had >>> ?not spent their money, rather placing it in an >>> account and >>> ?allowing the funds to gain >>> ?interest.?Concerned that Congress would >>> pull the allocated >>> funds >>> ?completely, which would prevent municipalities >>> from accessing >>> ?money to make polling places >>> ?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >>> of Elections, >>> ?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >>> accessibility at all >>> ?Michigan polling places. >>> >>> ?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >>> >>> ?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >>> of a statewide >>> ?plan to reach 100% polling place >>> accessibility.?MPAS and the >>> ?Bureau of Elections strengthened >>> ?their partnership in order to achieve this >>> goal.?Within this >>> ?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >>> locations throughout >>> ?the state.?Michigan has >>> ?approximately 3,600 polling places in >>> total.?MPAS had already >>> ?gathered information on 530 polling places prior >>> to 2010, >>> ?therefore, did not revisit those >>> ?locations (some were initially accessible and >>> others MPAS worked >>> ?closely with clerks to improve >>> accessibility.?MPAS is still >>> ?working with clerks to bring >>> ?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >>> into compliance). >>> ?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >>> polling locations in >>> ?2010. >>> >>> ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >>> least 95% of the >>> ?polling places in Michigan. >>> >>> ?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >>> nearly 25% of the >>> ?polling places that remained physically >>> inaccessible as required >>> ?by the Americans with >>> ?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >>> >>> ?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >>> 2,927 were assessed >>> ?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG >>> as a benchmark to >>> ?determine physical accessibility, >>> ?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >>> locations visited, >>> ?had physical barriers failing to comply with the >>> ADAAG ? >>> barriers >>> ?that create potential >>> ?difficulties to voters with disabilities on >>> Election Day. >>> >>> ?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >>> from fully >>> ?participating in all aspects of society because >>> of their >>> ?disability.?This might include >>> architectural >>> ?barriers, physical barriers, communication >>> barriers, attitudinal >>> ?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? >>> Throughout this project, >>> MPAS? >>> ?reviews focused primarily >>> ?on physical and external barriers, which are >>> defined as >>> something >>> ?material that blocks passage.?Physical >>> barriers addressed in >>> ?this report include objects >>> ?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >>> doorways, >>> ?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >>> inaccessible door >>> ?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >>> >>> ?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >>> 2010, 28% did not >>> ?meet accessibility standards.?Based on >>> discussions with the BOE >>> ?in 2008, when MPAS completed >>> ?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >>> notified with a >>> ?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >>> they were also >>> ?notified by the Bureau of Elections. >>> ?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >>> municipalities >>> ?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >>> letters contained a >>> ?photograph of the problem area(s), >>> ?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? >>> Within a five month >>> ?period, letters were sent to over 440 >>> municipalities concerning >>> ?approximately 800 polling >>> ?locations. >>> >>> ?As shown below, 28% of the polling places >>> visited in 2010 had >>> ?some type of physical barrier present at the >>> time of review. >>> >>> ?The following chart highlights the most common >>> number of >>> physical >>> ?barriers discovered at each location. >>> >>> ?A majority of the locations reviewed had only >>> one physical >>> ?barrier present.?While the largest and >>> most frequent problem >>> was >>> ?related to parking, the types >>> ?of barriers at each location varied as shown in >>> the following >>> ?chart. >>> >>> ?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >>> accessible parking >>> ?but no signs posted?Parking:? >>> locations that had no parking >>> ?designated or noncompliant access >>> ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that >>> existed between access aisles >>> and >>> ?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >>> door width, door >>> ?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >>> ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >>> ramps, handrails, >>> ?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >>> >>> ?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >>> Election Officials >>> >>> ?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >>> notified municipal >>> ?clerks of locations where barriers were >>> discovered.?Within a >>> ?four-month period, over 440 >>> ?letters were sent to election officials.? >>> By the end of 2010, >>> 88% >>> ?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >>> plan of >>> correction. >>> ?In addition, MPAS >>> ?provided technical assistance to the election >>> officials on how >>> to >>> ?improve access to their polling location in >>> order to come into >>> ?compliance.젨잹ased on >>> ?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >>> us they were >>> ?would make the changes required; 31% corrected >>> the barriers at >>> ?the polling locations; 9% >>> ?were going to apply for Access for All grant; >>> and the remaining >>> ?responses varied from clerk using temporary >>> equipment. >>> >>> ?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >>> completed, MPAS >>> ?required documentation from each clerk proving >>> or stating that >>> ?the work had been completed, >>> ?including photographs and/or copies of purchase >>> orders.?A >>> ?majority of the clerks responded either with a >>> plan of >>> correction >>> ?for spring 2011 or with a >>> ?statement that the work was completed.? >>> MPAS is still waiting >>> for >>> ?some clerks to confirm that the work was done >>> sufficiently. >>> Once >>> ?the removal of barriers >>> ?at these locations has been verified, MPAS >>> expects Michigan? >>> ?polling place accessibility rate to rise to >>> nearly 90 % ?-- >>> ?one of the highest in the nation. >>> ?There remains, however, substantial work to be >>> completed in the >>> ?city of Detroit in order to reach this >>> goal.?The remaining 12% >>> ?of clerks, who did not respond >>> ?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >>> correction, >>> will >>> ?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >>> accessibility. >>> >>> ?NEXT STEPS >>> >>> ?While the focus of this report has been on >>> reaching the 90% >>> ?accessibility rate, there would still be >>> approximately 10% of >>> ?polling locations in Michigan >>> ?that are not accessible to all voters.? >>> Some clerks disagree >>> with >>> ?the findings and MPAS is working with those >>> clerks. >>> >>> ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >>> polling locations >>> ?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >>> breaking them >>> into >>> ?three categories: failure >>> ?to communicate; work promised but documentation >>> still needed; >>> and >>> ?locations requiring review by MPAS. >>> >>> ?MPAS will focus attention on election officials >>> who have failed >>> ?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? >>> This may involve >>> ?revisiting the location (some >>> ?clerks correct the problem even when they fail >>> to respond), >>> ?attending city council/township meetings, filing >>> official HAVA >>> ?complaints, and/or pursuing >>> ?legal action under different funding >>> sources.?MPAS?goal has >>> ?always been to educate clerks and assist them >>> with improving >>> ?access first by proposing solutions >>> ?to removing barriers. >>> >>> ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >>> monitoring the >>> ?correction plans that election officials have >>> submitted to >>> ensure >>> ?that barriers are removed. >>> ?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >>> locations that have >>> ?not been visited yet. >>> >>> ?In Summary >>> >>> ?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >>> between MPAS and >>> the >>> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >>> crucial.?The state >>> ?reinforced the necessity of >>> ?accessible elections.?They followed up >>> with each municipality >>> ?whose polling place was noted as being >>> inaccessible in order to >>> ?determine the jurisdiction's >>> ?planned course of action.?In addition, the >>> BOE coordinated and >>> ?extended Michigan's polling place improvement >>> grant well into >>> the >>> ?fall to assist municipalities >>> ?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >>> >>> ?Local election officials can either upgrade >>> their polling places >>> ?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the >>> polling place to >>> ?an accessible site.?The >>> ?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >>> project, they >>> ?have seen a large increase in the number of >>> municipalities >>> ?applying for grant money.?In >>> ?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >>> extended the >>> ?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >>> additional >>> ?opportunity to respond to MPAS? >>> ?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >>> funds.?The >>> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >>> applications, the >>> ?largest amount ever received >>> ?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >>> applications, 66 >>> ?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >>> plan of >>> ?correction - 89% of those who applied. >>> ?A large number of municipalities have pledged to >>> apply when the >>> ?next grant period opens in early 2011. >>> >>> ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >>> proposed >>> budget >>> ?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >>> partnership with the >>> ?Secretary of State, ensuring >>> ?all elections are accessible to all >>> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >>> ?encourages clerks to reach out to local >>> disability groups for >>> ?future trainings.?Listed >>> ?below are additional recommendations moving >>> forward. >>> >>> ?Summary/Recommendations: >>> >>> ???젨쟊ocal clerks must be >>> required to notify the Bureau of >>> ?Elections prior to relocating polling places. >>> >>> ???젨잸ccessibility checks >>> should be completed when clerks >>> ?change polling locations, to verify >>> accessibility.?Reports >>> (with >>> ?photographs) should be submitted >>> ?to the Bureau of Elections. >>> >>> ???젨쟍ew polling locations >>> must be required to adhere to the >>> ?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >>> Guidelines. >>> >>> ???젨쟕he advisory committee >>> in charge of amending the State >>> ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >>> ways to hold >>> ?clerks accountable and implement >>> ?model oversight programs. >>> >>> ???젨잸ccess for All grant >>> money should be available >>> throughout >>> ?the year, so accessibility problems can be >>> addressed anytime >>> they >>> ?arise. >>> >>> ???젨쟕he Bureau of >>> Elections and local clerks should continue >>> ?working with disability advocacy organizations >>> to complete >>> ?year-round polling place accessibility >>> ?audits and training to clerks. >>> >>> ?Accessibility Rate by County >>> >>> ?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >>> >>> ?County >>> >>> ?Polling Locations >>> >>> ?Visited >>> >>> ?Accessible >>> >>> ?Barriers Discovered >>> >>> ?Percent Visited >>> 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get your >>> account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >>> From: Katie Wang >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >>> Message-ID: >>> ???? >>> >>> >>> >> om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ?Chris, there is no Download button on Web >>> Braille. Instead, when you >>> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >>> on your Braille >>> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >>> to save the >>> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >>> each braille volume >>> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >>> this multiple >>> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >>> than one volume. >>> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >>> it a great >>> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >>> more in the past >>> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >>> larger, more >>> current collection. >>> ?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >>> on your end-- It >>> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >>> contacting your state >>> NLS library again and see if they can get you >>> some?sort of technical >>> support contact info. Someone from the central >>> program >>> that >>> administers the Web Braille service might need to look >>> into your >>> situation. >>> ?Hope this helps! >>> 젨쟇atie >>> >>> >>> On 7/10/11, Lea williams >> wrote: >>> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >>> in it says my user >>> name and password is wrong. I have called and >>> gotten it changed three >>> times and it still says it. wonder what I am >>> doing wrong. >>> >>> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >>> users! I recently >>> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >>> forward to all it has >>> to offer.?But I do have this question: >>> when I click on a link >>> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >>> or something where I >>> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >>> BrailleNote? I tried to >>> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >>> last night, and when >>> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >>> actual book to read >>> online, but I wanted to download the book to >>> read it in my >>> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >>> date.?How can I do this? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >>> (Camp Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >>> impaired youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >>> "I can!" How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to >>> contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >>> Facebook at I C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >>> get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole >>> 1988%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati >>> e6%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list" >>> ????>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >>> Message-ID: >>> <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC >>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >>> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >>> one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers >>> generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are more >>> objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update >>> it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >>> maybe you need sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >>> be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >>> family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >>> myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>> ???? >>> >>> >> om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >>> people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >>> than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are >>> more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >>> update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >>> Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >>> to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >>> Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list" >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>> <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >>> charset="Windows-1252"; >>> ????reply-type=original >>> >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >>> to discuss something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if?I had several >>> people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >>> was one of the things I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >>> to >>> post online, I'd like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >>> writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >>> are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >>> people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >>> than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are >>> more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >>> update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >>> Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >>> to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >>> Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>> hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >>> From: Elizabeth >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >>> Convention >>> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >>> the help they have >>> provided me over the past week. However, I thought >>> I >>> would also send out a >>> general message to thank anyone I may have missed >>> along the way. My >>> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >>> go, but it was exactly >>> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >>> such a public email >>> list. >>> >>> Since the last time I checked the messages on this >>> list was before >>> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >>> already said what >>> happened, or at least their version of the story. >>> However, I have already >>> shared my version of the story about a million times >>> by now, so if you are >>> curious as to what happened, you will just have to >>> wait for another time. >>> >>> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. >>> I >>> just wanted to show >>> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >>> the way. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>> ???? >>> >>> >>> >> om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Yes. >>> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >>> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >>> people to discuss >>> something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if?I had several >>> people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >>> that was one of the things >>> I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >>> to post online, I'd >>> like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >>> writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >>> they are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students >>> mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >>> blind people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still >>> have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >>> more than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that >>> are more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do >>> you update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your >>> story? Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips >>> need to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same >>> site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a >>> word limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, >>> and religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >>> get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>> hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>> 62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >>> From: Amy Sabo >> To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >>> , >>> ????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, >>> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> Message-ID: >>> ????< >>> >>> >>> 1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. >>> ca.mail.comcast.net >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> hello all, >>> >>> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >>> problems with the latest >>> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >>> features on it to change >>> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >>> is >>> there a way in where i >>> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >>> for jfw that i can use? >>> >>> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> hugs, >>> amy >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list'" >>> ????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> Message-ID: >>> <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila >>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >>> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" >>> >>> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >>> (AIM) was about 2 years >>> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >>> the way, it was the >>> FS >>> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now >>> it >>> is inaccessible with >>> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >>> using? Which >>> operating system? Which version of aim? >>> Cheers,?Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Amy Sabo >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >>> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >>> STUDENTS, COLORADO >>> ASSOCIATION >>> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> >>> hello all, >>> >>> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >>> problems with the latest >>> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >>> features on it to change >>> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >>> is >>> there a way in where i >>> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >>> for jfw that i can use? >>> >>> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> hugs, >>> amy >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >>> t.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >>> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> >>> >>> Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >>> I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >>> **************************************** >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >>> tia%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >>> tia%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>> hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 23:01:33 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:01:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <1E3CAAACE7D941E991D236684CC6CB96@OwnerPC> References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> <20110715075731.GM75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> <1E3CAAACE7D941E991D236684CC6CB96@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20110715230132.GK96500@yumi.bluecherry.net> Both, actually. The rooms had Braille signage (though it was a little weird), and the restaurants had Braille menus available—at least the lounge did when I went with the crew after the Bookshare meeting/party/thing. Hotel staff at the Rosen Centre figured out a day or two in that when a large bunch of us were coming in off the shuttle that there was a particularly good spot to have someone stand to direct those less skilled with travel skills toward the elevators without the need to shout directions and were happy to do it. They were at times more eager to help than needed, but that’s to be expected when you’ve got so many of such wildly varying skill levels. It was really a great experience—just a pricey one. Joseph On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 05:21:35PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Joseph, >Good. Are you refering to the main hotel or the overflow hotel? >Glad they had a nice balance of being helpful. That is always nice >for crowd control and assisting people to go where they need to go >efficiently. >What accomodations did they provide if any, with NFB? I know NFB >doesn't believe in making many modifications, but I figured they may >do a little. Did they have braille numbers on doors? How about >braille menus? > >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter >Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:57 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > >The staff were helpful and usually not too overeager to provide help >when not needed. I was pleased with that. > >Joseph > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:21:22PM -0400, David Dodge wrote: >>Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than I >>did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and >>they were by far the best so far. >> >>David >>---------------------------------- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >>2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum >> >>>Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard >>>has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law >>>Symposium >>>in May. I don't know though, just a guess. >>> >>>Chris >>> >>>"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >>> >>>The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >>>Maryland have the >>>ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more >>>and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>>C.A.N. Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>>Anmol, >>>Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That >>>hasn't happened before. >>>Do you know if its in the same hotel? >>>Ashley >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Anmol Bhatia >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>>It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions >>>will be held >>>in Orlando. >>> >>>Anmol >>>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>>there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like >>>a breeze >>>among flowers. >>>Hellen Keller >>> >>> >>>--- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila >>>> >>>wrote: >>> >>>From: Humberto Avila >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM >>>I didn't send that message. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>>On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>>Humberto, >>> >>>I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from >>>Dr. Maurer at >>>this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would >>>be in >>>Orlando, making it six years. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >>>motto) >>> >>>The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth >>>in >>>Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >>>Click >>>on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>>www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>>C.A.N. >>>Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Anmol Bhatia >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>>The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six >>> >>>years. >>> >>> >>> >>>--- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti >>wrote: >>> >>> From: Rachael Vacanti >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >>> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? >>> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >>> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't >>> leave until the next >>> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >>> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >>> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the >>> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >>> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? >>> Because there were too many >>> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome >>> and I had a great time, >>> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >>> more.?I looked at >>> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >>> "required".?General >>> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >>> >>> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >>> announce the state >>> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >>> once and I don't think >>> he even told me where it was.?The states should get >>> them sorted out before >>> convention and email their state this is when and where >>>it >>> is.?I know that >>> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >>> they did a very good >>> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. >>> >>> Rachael >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, >> wrote: >>> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>>????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >>> visit >>>????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >>> 'help' to >>>????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >>> more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>>젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >>> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >>>젨?. Re: question about brail to word >>> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >>>젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this day in mi >>>???(Josh Gregory) >>>젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >>> (Katie Wang) >>>젨?. accessible blog and journal sites >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>>젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (Joshua Lester) >>>젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>>젨?. Thanks for the Help at National >>> Convention (Elizabeth) >>>젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (Joshua Lester) >>>?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >>>?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >>>?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------**------------------------------**----- >>>----- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: NABS list , >>> NFBMD list , >>> NFB >>>????history list >> Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >>> 5 years >>> Message-ID: <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> >>> >>>?---- Original Message ------ >>> From: "Sherri" >> Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >>> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >>> >>> It was announced at the convention that conventions >>> from 2013 >>> through 2017 >>> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend >>> the length of >>> the convention >>> back to how it was and NFB would >>> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That >>> way, people could >>> get excited >>> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I >>> liked the old >>> schedule much >>> better.?If we are going to keep people here for >>> five years in a >>> row, we need >>> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >>> all there is >>> to do in >>> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night >>> before the last >>> day of >>> convention. >>> >>> >>> Sherri Brun >>> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >>> other >>> plans." John >>> Lennon >>> >>> Check out http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun >>> >>> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >>>?NFBF Newsline? chair >>> www.nfbnewsline.org >>> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >>> http://nfbfgoc.org >>> Secretary FDCP INC >>> www.fdcp.org >>> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for blindtlk: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid >>>. >>> nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>????list>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> Message-ID: <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >>> of the >>> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >>> the BN and >>> ask questions when they're having technical >>> problems.?Here's the >>> link: >>> >>>www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>.? >>> In >>> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >>> to the BN >>> list and forward you any responses off list.? >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>>?Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >>> youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >>> How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>>?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>>?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list'" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> >>> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >>> format >>> documents into word >>> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have >>> to use your >>> Braille note to >>> do it because there is no program that will translate >>> and convert >>> Keyword >>> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >>> (.doc) >>> documents, unless >>> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >>> and then use >>> a program >>> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >>> will need >>> Duxbury >>> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >>> license if you >>> don't >>> already have it--you can although try it for free but >>> some >>> functions will be >>> disabled) >>> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to >>> send another >>> message off list >>> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >>> is good >>> practice for >>> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >>> assistive >>> technology. >>> Cheers,?Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Andi >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> >>> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >>> ask.?I use to >>> use my brail >>> >>> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >>> wondering if >>> there is a >>> >>> program to change the files from the brail document to >>> a word >>> document? >>> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >>> simpaler to >>> use the >>> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? >>> thank you so much >>> for your >>> help. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >>> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >>> First Portable >>> Camera >>> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >>> >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >>> Reading >>> System >>> to Support Touchscreen >>> for People with Low Vision >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >>> Inc.?( >>> www.gwmicro.com) >>> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >>> >>>www.visionaid-international.**com >>>) >>> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The >>> Readit Wand is a >>> portable >>> camera that >>> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >>> documents >>> for >>> the visually impaired. >>> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >>> more with >>> ease >>> using the Readit >>> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will >>> be read in a >>> clear, >>> human-sounding >>> voice.?The ability to read all of these items >>> makes Readit Wand >>> the >>> perfect tool >>> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >>> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >>> via USB. >>> The >>> 5-megapixel camera >>> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >>> recognition >>> in as >>> little as two >>> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand >>> allows for >>> automatic >>> multi-language >>> switching when other languages are installed.? >>> The portability >>> and >>> multiple language >>> support make it the ideal tool for students who are >>> learning a >>> foreign language. >>> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >>> that >>> allows >>> you to save, load, >>> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? >>> Importing PDF >>> files >>> into the Readit >>> software enables users to read PDF files that >>> originally are >>> inaccessible because >>> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also >>> allows you to >>> save >>> documents as >>> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >>> document as an >>> MP3 >>> file to listen >>> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >>> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >>> access >>> toolbar >>> designed specifically >>> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the >>> ability to adjust >>> the >>> size of the >>> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >>> all the basic >>> controls enabling >>> low vision users to capture their document, change the >>> view to >>> their >>> preference and >>> more at the click of a button. >>> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >>> different >>> types >>> of highlights, >>> as well as six different ways to display text, >>> allowing low >>> vision >>> users to customize >>> the software to their personal preference. >>> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >>> Wand is the >>> first >>> portable camera >>> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >>> users the >>> ability >>> to interact >>> with the software by simply using their fingers!? >>> This means no >>> more >>> tracking the >>> cursor, which provides direct interaction between the >>> user and >>> the >>> Readit software, >>> creating the best possible user experience. >>> GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the >>> Readit Wand >>> in >>> the U.S., developed >>> and manufactured by VisionAid International, located >>> in the >>> UK.?Readit Wand will >>> be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >>> For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >>> www.gwmicro.com, >>> email >>> sales at gwmicro.com >>> , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >>> GW Micro, Inc.?( >>> www.gwmicro.com) >>> has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology >>> industry >>> since 1990, >>> and >>> continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >>> solutions. >>> VisionAid International, Ltd ( >>> >>>www.visionaid-international.**com >>>), >>> established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, >>> effective >>> and >>> simple to use >>> devices for people who are partially sighted and blind >>> that make >>> reading a pleasure >>> once again. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**adrianne >>>. >>> dempsey%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >>> t.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >>> From: Josh Gregory >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>????list>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this day >>>????in mi >>> Message-ID: <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.**ffffc150 at mx.google.com<4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> Hi, >>> OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each >>> other's >>> competetors/enemies/whatever.?**So, at the moment >>> anyway, I doubt >>> it. >>> Best, >>> Josh >>> >>> sent from my Apex >>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> >>>?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this >>> day in mi >>> >>> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to >>> ensure >>> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the >>> Help >>> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work >>> jointly >>> with ACB on this.?What does >>> everyone think? >>>?Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >>> youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >>> How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>>?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>>?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this >>> day in mi >>> >>> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >>>?Thoughts on this? >>> >>>?Chris >>> >>>?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities >>> motto) >>> >>>?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >>> impaired youth in >>>?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >>> can!" How? Click >>>?on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>>?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >>> at I C.A.N. >>>?Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>>?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>>?---- Original Message ------ >>>?From: "joe harcz Comcast" >>?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >>> this day in mi >>>?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >>> >>>?A Call to Action ? >>> >>>?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >>> with Disabilities >>>?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >>> >>>?A Public Report on >>>?Polling Place >>> >>>?Accessibility in Michigan >>> >>>?Public Report by >>> >>>?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >>> >>>?2011 >>> >>>?Acknowledgements >>> >>>?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >>> is Michigan? >>>?designated agency to advocate and protect the >>> legal rights of >>>?persons with disabilities, mandated >>>?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives >>> funding from the >>>?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >>> the center for >>>?Mental Health Services ?Substance >>>?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >>> the >>>?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >>> Social Security >>>?Administration, the State of Michigan >>>?and from private donations. >>> >>>?Funding for this report has been made possible >>> through the U.S. >>>?Department of Health and Human Services, >>> Administration for >>>?Children and Families, and the >>>?Administration on Developmental >>> Disabilities.?The contents are >>>?the sole responsibility of the author and do not >>> necessarily >>>?represent the official views >>>?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >>> Services. >>> >>>?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> Service, Inc.?This >>>?publication may be reproduced in part or in its >>> entirety for >>>?noncommercial purposes as long >>>?as appropriate credit is given. >>> >>>?Table of Contents >>> >>>?Executive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Summary.......................**..............................**..... >>>? >>> ..............................**.....................5 >>> >>>?Midterm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Report........................**..............................**..... >>>? >>> >>>..............................**...........................6 >>> >>>?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Project.......................**..............................**..... >>>?.........7 >>> >>>?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >>> Election >>>? >>> Officials.....................**.................10 >>> >>>?Next >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Steps.........................**..............................**..... >>>? >>> >>>..............................**..............................**..11 >>> >>>?In >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Summary.......................**..............................**..... >>>? >>> >>>..............................**..............................**..11 >>> >>>?Accessibility Rate Per >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>County........................**..............................**..... >>>?.............................**...13 >>> >>>?Executive Summary >>> >>>?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >>> obstacles at voting >>>?locations often because their polling place >>> lacks physical >>>?accessibility.?The Help America >>>?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >>> obstacles faced by >>> voters >>>?with disabilities and authorized funding for the >>> federally >>>?mandated Protection and Advocacy >>>?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >>> barriers. >>>?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >>> targeted for >>>?elimination in the President? proposed >>>?2012 budget. >>> >>>?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> Service, (MPAS), >>>?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >>> with helping to ensure >>>?the full participation of >>>?individuals with disabilities in the electoral >>> process, >>> including >>>?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >>> accessing polling >>>?places. >>> >>>?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >>> that every >>>?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >>> to their >>> polling >>>?location and has the opportunity >>>?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS >>> staff members are on >>>?the ground providing advice, technical >>> assistance, and training >>>?to election officials about >>>?voting accessibility across the spectrum of >>> disabilities.?The >>>?agency also provides outreach and training to >>> voters with >>>?disabilities, poll workers, and >>>?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >>> of State of Michigan >>>?partnered over the past six years working toward >>> this goal, >>> which >>>?has been effective in >>>?increasing physical access to polling locations >>> throughout >>>?Michigan. >>> >>>?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >>> United States >>>?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >>> subject to intense >>>?public scrutiny each election >>>?cycle.?Provisions within these protections >>> prohibit >>>?discrimination against people with disabilities >>> in the electoral >>>?process.?Exercising their Constitutional >>>?right, however, has continued to be a challenge >>> for individuals >>>?with disabilities despite changes made to >>> federal and state laws >>>?intended to ensure full >>>?participation. >>> >>>?Key Summary >>> >>>???젨잻isability advocates >>> have visited 95% (3,457) and >>>?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >>> Michigan. >>> >>>???젨쟖pon initial review, >>> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>>?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >>> polling places >>> were >>>?compliant under the Americans >>>?with Disabilities Act. >>> >>>???젨잸fter working with >>> state and local officials, it is >>>?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >>> will be increased >>>?to 90% in 2012. >>> >>>???젨쟏f the locations that >>> were inaccessible, 60% had one >>>?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >>> had three or more >>>?types of barriers. >>> >>>???젨쟏nly six of the 84 >>> counties in Michigan were 100% >>>?physically accessible upon initial visit. >>> >>>???젨쟋PAS continues to >>> receive complaints regarding the >>>?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >>> device. >>> >>>?Michigan has made great strides toward >>> accessibility at the >>>?polls.?This report will highlight the >>> steps taken to ensure >>> that >>>?all polling locations throughout >>>?Michigan are accessible to voters with >>> disabilities.?In >>>?addition, the report will offer recommendations >>> for Michigan to >>>?achieve and maintain an accessibility >>>?rate of 100%. >>> >>>?2010 Mid Term Report >>> >>>?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >>> the country, >>>?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >>> in 2002.?HAVA >>>?included sweeping legislation >>>?intended to modernize the electoral system for >>> all voters, >>>?including those with disabilities.?The >>> Help America Vote Act >>>?reinforced the application of >>>?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >>> and Section 504 >>>?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >>> 2004, Michigan >>>?lawmakers amended Michigan election >>>?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >>> removal of physical >>>?barriers at polling locations.? >>> Irrespective of both federal and >>>?state law, 25% of Michigan's >>>?voting locations continued to be inaccessible >>> for the November >>>?2010 general election.?To achieve an >>> all-encompassing voting >>>?standard for the fifty states, >>>?HAVA included two key components for the >>> disability community: >>> >>>???젨잸ll polling places >>> must have at least one voting system >>>?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >>> privately and >>>?independently, whether or not one >>>?has a disability. >>> >>>???젨쟔tates must ensure >>> accessibility at all public polling >>>?places in a manner compliant with the Americans >>> with >>> Disabilities >>>?Act (ADA). >>> >>>?Accessible Voting System >>> >>>?In 2004, the disability community and the >>> Michigan Secretary of >>>?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >>> assessing which >>>?accessible device would best >>>?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >>> selected the >>>?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible >>> ballot marking device >>>?that can be used by all voters >>>?with or without disabilities. >>> >>>?Although every polling location is equipped with >>> the AutoMARK, >>>?each municipality is responsible for making sure >>> it is set up >>> and >>>?operating properly.?Unfortunately, >>>?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >>> AutoMARK.?Voter >>>?complaints have included the following:? >>> the AutoMARK was boxed >>>?up on Election Day, unplugged, >>>?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >>> could see the >>>??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >>> jammed ballots have been >>>?greatly reduced since the >>>?last round of updates were completed.? >>> Because the AutoMARK is >>>?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >>> feedback to >>>?correct these kinds of problems. >>>?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >>> complaints as they >>>?arise. >>> >>>?Accessible Polling Places >>> >>>?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >>> money to assist >>> with >>>?the purchase of accessible equipment like the >>> AutoMARK, but also >>>?to help municipalities >>>?make their polling places physically >>> accessible.?Congress >>>?recognized that in order for people to use the >>> accessible voting >>>?machines, the building must >>>?also be accessible so voters can access the >>> polling location and >>>?voting equipment.?It is the local election >>> officials? >>>?responsibility to make sure all >>>?polling locations are accessible on Election >>> Day.?To help cover >>>?the expense for removing barriers at polling >>> locations, the >>>?Michigan BOE administers a >>>?grant program called Access for All, under the >>> U.S.?Department >>>?of Health and Human Services with funding >>> allocated through >>> HAVA, >>>?to help the state comply >>>?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the >>> Access for All grants >>>?cover all costs associated with accessibility >>> upgrades for >>>?polling locations. >>> >>>?When Michigan? State Plan to implement >>> provisions under HAVA >>> was >>>?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >>> required to complete an >>>?accessibility checklist >>>?to determine whether or not their locations were >>> accessible. >>>?This was one of the state? first attempts to >>> gather information >>>?on Michigan? polling place >>>?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >>> other organizations >>>?were working closely with individual election >>> officials on >>>?polling location reviews and >>>?were also training the municipal clerks on the >>> accessibility >>>?requirements.?MPAS also spent a >>> considerable amount of time >>>?assisting clerks with assessing >>>?the accessibility of their polling locations and >>> helping them >>>?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >>> found that the >>>?accessibility data provided by >>>?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >>> reliable. >>> >>>?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >>> (BOE) attention >>> and >>>?shared independent accessibility reviews with >>> them.?The BOE has >>>?since increased efforts >>>?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >>> communication >>>?and requiring additional documentation from the >>> clerks. >>> >>>?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >>> polling locations >>>?randomly, without notifying the election >>> official in advance. >>>?After compiling this data on >>>?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >>> of >>>?inaccessibility became a heightened >>> concern.?Once these >>> concerns >>>?were communicated to the Bureau of >>>?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >>> dramatically >>>?increasing their involvement in the advancement >>> of polling place >>>?accessibility. >>> >>>?This same year, the federal government began >>> reviewing how the >>>?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >>> fueled speculation that >>>?the federal government would >>>?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >>> some states had >>>?not spent their money, rather placing it in an >>> account and >>>?allowing the funds to gain >>>?interest.?Concerned that Congress would >>> pull the allocated >>> funds >>>?completely, which would prevent municipalities >>> from accessing >>>?money to make polling places >>>?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >>> of Elections, >>>?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >>> accessibility at all >>>?Michigan polling places. >>> >>>?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >>> >>>?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >>> of a statewide >>>?plan to reach 100% polling place >>> accessibility.?MPAS and the >>>?Bureau of Elections strengthened >>>?their partnership in order to achieve this >>> goal.?Within this >>>?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >>> locations throughout >>>?the state.?Michigan has >>>?approximately 3,600 polling places in >>> total.?MPAS had already >>>?gathered information on 530 polling places prior >>> to 2010, >>>?therefore, did not revisit those >>>?locations (some were initially accessible and >>> others MPAS worked >>>?closely with clerks to improve >>> accessibility.?MPAS is still >>>?working with clerks to bring >>>?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >>> into compliance). >>>?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >>> polling locations in >>>?2010. >>> >>>?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >>> least 95% of the >>>?polling places in Michigan. >>> >>>?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >>> nearly 25% of the >>>?polling places that remained physically >>> inaccessible as required >>>?by the Americans with >>>?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >>> >>>?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >>> 2,927 were assessed >>>?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG >>> as a benchmark to >>>?determine physical accessibility, >>>?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >>> locations visited, >>>?had physical barriers failing to comply with the >>> ADAAG ? >>> barriers >>>?that create potential >>>?difficulties to voters with disabilities on >>> Election Day. >>> >>>?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >>> from fully >>>?participating in all aspects of society because >>> of their >>>?disability.?This might include >>> architectural >>>?barriers, physical barriers, communication >>> barriers, attitudinal >>>?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? >>> Throughout this project, >>> MPAS? >>>?reviews focused primarily >>>?on physical and external barriers, which are >>> defined as >>> something >>>?material that blocks passage.?Physical >>> barriers addressed in >>>?this report include objects >>>?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >>> doorways, >>>?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >>> inaccessible door >>>?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >>> >>>?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >>> 2010, 28% did not >>>?meet accessibility standards.?Based on >>> discussions with the BOE >>>?in 2008, when MPAS completed >>>?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >>> notified with a >>>?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >>> they were also >>>?notified by the Bureau of Elections. >>>?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >>> municipalities >>>?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >>> letters contained a >>>?photograph of the problem area(s), >>>?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? >>> Within a five month >>>?period, letters were sent to over 440 >>> municipalities concerning >>>?approximately 800 polling >>>?locations. >>> >>>?As shown below, 28% of the polling places >>> visited in 2010 had >>>?some type of physical barrier present at the >>> time of review. >>> >>>?The following chart highlights the most common >>> number of >>> physical >>>?barriers discovered at each location. >>> >>>?A majority of the locations reviewed had only >>> one physical >>>?barrier present.?While the largest and >>> most frequent problem >>> was >>>?related to parking, the types >>>?of barriers at each location varied as shown in >>> the following >>>?chart. >>> >>>?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >>> accessible parking >>>?but no signs posted?Parking:? >>> locations that had no parking >>>?designated or noncompliant access >>>?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that >>> existed between access aisles >>> and >>>?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >>> door width, door >>>?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >>>?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >>> ramps, handrails, >>>?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >>> >>>?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >>> Election Officials >>> >>>?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >>> notified municipal >>>?clerks of locations where barriers were >>> discovered.?Within a >>>?four-month period, over 440 >>>?letters were sent to election officials.? >>> By the end of 2010, >>> 88% >>>?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >>> plan of >>> correction. >>>?In addition, MPAS >>>?provided technical assistance to the election >>> officials on how >>> to >>>?improve access to their polling location in >>> order to come into >>>?compliance.젨잹ased on >>>?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >>> us they were >>>?would make the changes required; 31% corrected >>> the barriers at >>>?the polling locations; 9% >>>?were going to apply for Access for All grant; >>> and the remaining >>>?responses varied from clerk using temporary >>> equipment. >>> >>>?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >>> completed, MPAS >>>?required documentation from each clerk proving >>> or stating that >>>?the work had been completed, >>>?including photographs and/or copies of purchase >>> orders.?A >>>?majority of the clerks responded either with a >>> plan of >>> correction >>>?for spring 2011 or with a >>>?statement that the work was completed.? >>> MPAS is still waiting >>> for >>>?some clerks to confirm that the work was done >>> sufficiently. >>> Once >>>?the removal of barriers >>>?at these locations has been verified, MPAS >>> expects Michigan? >>>?polling place accessibility rate to rise to >>> nearly 90 % ?-- >>>?one of the highest in the nation. >>>?There remains, however, substantial work to be >>> completed in the >>>?city of Detroit in order to reach this >>> goal.?The remaining 12% >>>?of clerks, who did not respond >>>?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >>> correction, >>> will >>>?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >>> accessibility. >>> >>>?NEXT STEPS >>> >>>?While the focus of this report has been on >>> reaching the 90% >>>?accessibility rate, there would still be >>> approximately 10% of >>>?polling locations in Michigan >>>?that are not accessible to all voters.? >>> Some clerks disagree >>> with >>>?the findings and MPAS is working with those >>> clerks. >>> >>>?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >>> polling locations >>>?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >>> breaking them >>> into >>>?three categories: failure >>>?to communicate; work promised but documentation >>> still needed; >>> and >>>?locations requiring review by MPAS. >>> >>>?MPAS will focus attention on election officials >>> who have failed >>>?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? >>> This may involve >>>?revisiting the location (some >>>?clerks correct the problem even when they fail >>> to respond), >>>?attending city council/township meetings, filing >>> official HAVA >>>?complaints, and/or pursuing >>>?legal action under different funding >>> sources.?MPAS?goal has >>>?always been to educate clerks and assist them >>> with improving >>>?access first by proposing solutions >>>?to removing barriers. >>> >>>?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >>> monitoring the >>>?correction plans that election officials have >>> submitted to >>> ensure >>>?that barriers are removed. >>>?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >>> locations that have >>>?not been visited yet. >>> >>>?In Summary >>> >>>?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >>> between MPAS and >>> the >>>?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >>> crucial.?The state >>>?reinforced the necessity of >>>?accessible elections.?They followed up >>> with each municipality >>>?whose polling place was noted as being >>> inaccessible in order to >>>?determine the jurisdiction's >>>?planned course of action.?In addition, the >>> BOE coordinated and >>>?extended Michigan's polling place improvement >>> grant well into >>> the >>>?fall to assist municipalities >>>?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >>> >>>?Local election officials can either upgrade >>> their polling places >>>?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the >>> polling place to >>>?an accessible site.?The >>>?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >>> project, they >>>?have seen a large increase in the number of >>> municipalities >>>?applying for grant money.?In >>>?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >>> extended the >>>?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >>> additional >>>?opportunity to respond to MPAS? >>>?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >>> funds.?The >>>?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >>> applications, the >>>?largest amount ever received >>>?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >>> applications, 66 >>>?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >>> plan of >>>?correction - 89% of those who applied. >>>?A large number of municipalities have pledged to >>> apply when the >>>?next grant period opens in early 2011. >>> >>>?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >>> proposed >>> budget >>>?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >>> partnership with the >>>?Secretary of State, ensuring >>>?all elections are accessible to all >>> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >>>?encourages clerks to reach out to local >>> disability groups for >>>?future trainings.?Listed >>>?below are additional recommendations moving >>> forward. >>> >>>?Summary/Recommendations: >>> >>>???젨쟊ocal clerks must be >>> required to notify the Bureau of >>>?Elections prior to relocating polling places. >>> >>>???젨잸ccessibility checks >>> should be completed when clerks >>>?change polling locations, to verify >>> accessibility.?Reports >>> (with >>>?photographs) should be submitted >>>?to the Bureau of Elections. >>> >>>???젨쟍ew polling locations >>> must be required to adhere to the >>>?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >>> Guidelines. >>> >>>???젨쟕he advisory committee >>> in charge of amending the State >>>?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >>> ways to hold >>>?clerks accountable and implement >>>?model oversight programs. >>> >>>???젨잸ccess for All grant >>> money should be available >>> throughout >>>?the year, so accessibility problems can be >>> addressed anytime >>> they >>>?arise. >>> >>>???젨쟕he Bureau of >>> Elections and local clerks should continue >>>?working with disability advocacy organizations >>> to complete >>>?year-round polling place accessibility >>>?audits and training to clerks. >>> >>>?Accessibility Rate by County >>> >>>?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >>> >>>?County >>> >>>?Polling Locations >>> >>>?Visited >>> >>>?Accessible >>> >>>?Barriers Discovered >>> >>>?Percent Visited >>> >>>?% Accessible of those Visited >>> >>>?Now Complete >>> >>>?% Now Accessible >>> >>>?Alcona >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?Alger >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?50% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Allegan >>> >>>?37 >>> >>>?37 >>> >>>?35 >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?97% >>> >>>?Alpena >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?53% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?Antrim >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?73% >>> >>>?Arenac >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?Baraga >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?17% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?33% >>> >>>?Barry >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?Bay >>> >>>?49 >>> >>>?48 >>> >>>?36 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?98% >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?Benzie >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?46% >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?Berrien >>> >>>?57 >>> >>>?57 >>> >>>?43 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Branch >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?53% >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?88% >>> >>>?Calhoun >>> >>>?46 >>> >>>?43 >>> >>>?34 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?79% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?Cass >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?Charlevoix >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?69% >>> >>>?Cheboygan >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?Chippewa >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?72% >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?Clare >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?84% >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?Clinton >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?26 >>> >>>?24 >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?Crawford >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?Delta >>> >>>?21 >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?55% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?Dickinson >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?40% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?73% >>> >>>?Eaton >>> >>>?36 >>> >>>?36 >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?Emmet >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Genesee >>> >>>?119 >>> >>>?109 >>> >>>?84 >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?79% >>> >>>?Gladwin >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?65% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?Gogebic >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?Grand Traverse >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Gratiot >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?Hillsdale >>> >>>?21 >>> >>>?21 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?57% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?Houghton >>> >>>?31 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?41% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?64% >>> >>>?Huron >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?29 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?97% >>> >>>?62% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?79% >>> >>>?Ingham >>> >>>?95 >>> >>>?81 >>> >>>?78 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?85% >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?Ionia >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?82% >>> >>>?Iosco >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Iron >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?50% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?Isabella >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?76% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?80% >>> >>>?Jackson >>> >>>?47 >>> >>>?45 >>> >>>?34 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?76% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?80% >>> >>>?Kalamazoo >>> >>>?97 >>> >>>?97 >>> >>>?79 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Kalkaska >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?Kent >>> >>>?209 >>> >>>?207 >>> >>>?174 >>> >>>?33 >>> >>>?99% >>> >>>?84% >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Keweenaw >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?80% >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Lake >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?53% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?Lapeer >>> >>>?24 >>> >>>?24 >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?Leelanau >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?62% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?69% >>> >>>?Lenawee >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?Livingston >>> >>>?48 >>> >>>?45 >>> >>>?35 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?Luce >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?Mackinac >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?50% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?Macomb >>> >>>?235 >>> >>>?233 >>> >>>?188 >>> >>>?45 >>> >>>?99% >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?88% >>> >>>?Manistee >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?73% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?Marquette >>> >>>?29 >>> >>>?29 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?55% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?59% >>> >>>?Mason >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?65% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?Mecosta >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?82% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?Menominee >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?88% >>> >>>?57% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?57% >>> >>>?Midland >>> >>>?38 >>> >>>?29 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?76% >>> >>>?76% >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?Missaukee >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?82% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Monroe >>> >>>?42 >>> >>>?36 >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Montcalm >>> >>>?26 >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?21 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?84% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?Montmorency >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Muskegon >>> >>>?72 >>> >>>?71 >>> >>>?68 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?99% >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?99% >>> >>>?Newaygo >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?79% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Oakland >>> >>>?410 >>> >>>?380 >>> >>>?292 >>> >>>?88 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?46 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Oceana >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?Ogemaw >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?Ontonagon >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?30% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?30% >>> >>>?Osceola >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Oscoda >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?Otsego >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?Ottawa >>> >>>?88 >>> >>>?88 >>> >>>?79 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?Presque Isle >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?Roscommon >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Saginaw >>> >>>?75 >>> >>>?75 >>> >>>?61 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?Sanilac >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?26 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?87% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?97% >>> >>>?Schoolcraft >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?80% >>> >>>?Shiawassee >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?74% >>> >>>?St.?Clair >>> >>>?52 >>> >>>?48 >>> >>>?44 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?98% >>> >>>?St.?Joseph >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?82% >>> >>>?Tuscola >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?24 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?Van Buren >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?91% >>> >>>?Washtenaw >>> >>>?106 >>> >>>?100 >>> >>>?70 >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?Wayne >>> >>>?568 >>> >>>?519 >>> >>>?325 >>> >>>?194 >>> >>>?91% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?68% >>> >>>?Wexford >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?Total >>> >>>?3635 >>> >>>?3457 >>> >>>?2579 >>> >>>?878 >>> >>>?95.10% >>> >>>?74.60% >>> >>>?289 >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?table end >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >>> From: Katie Wang >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >>> Message-ID: >>>???? >>> >>> >>>>>om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>>?Chris, there is no Download button on Web >>> Braille. Instead, when you >>> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >>> on your Braille >>> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >>> to save the >>> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >>> each braille volume >>> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >>> this multiple >>> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >>> than one volume. >>> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >>> it a great >>> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >>> more in the past >>> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >>> larger, more >>> current collection. >>>?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >>> on your end-- It >>> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >>> contacting your state >>> NLS library again and see if they can get you >>> some?sort of technical >>> support contact info. Someone from the central >>>program >>> that >>> administers the Web Braille service might need to look >>> into your >>> situation. >>>?Hope this helps! >>>젨쟇atie >>> >>> >>> On 7/10/11, Lea williams >> wrote: >>> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >>> in it says my user >>> name and password is wrong. I have called and >>> gotten it changed three >>> times and it still says it. wonder what I am >>> doing wrong. >>> >>> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >>> users! I recently >>> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >>> forward to all it has >>> to offer.?But I do have this question: >>> when I click on a link >>> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >>> or something where I >>> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >>> BrailleNote? I tried to >>> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >>> last night, and when >>> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >>> actual book to read >>> online, but I wanted to download the book to >>> read it in my >>> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >>> date.?How can I do this? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >>> (Camp Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >>> impaired youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >>> "I can!" How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to >>> contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >>> Facebook at I C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >>> get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole >>>1988%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> >>>http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati >>>e6%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list" >>>????>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >>> Message-ID: >>> <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC >>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >>> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >>> one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers >>> generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are more >>> objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update >>> it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >>> maybe you need sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >>> be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >>> family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >>> myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>>???? >>> >>>>>om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >>> people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >>> than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are >>> more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >>> update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >>> Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >>> to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >>> Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>>62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list" >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>> <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >>> charset="Windows-1252"; >>>????reply-type=original >>> >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >>> to discuss something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if?I had several >>> people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >>> was one of the things I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >>>to >>> post online, I'd like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >>> writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >>> are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >>> people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >>> than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are >>> more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >>> update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >>> Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >>> to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >>> Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>>62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>>hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >>> From: Elizabeth >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >>> Convention >>> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >>> the help they have >>> provided me over the past week. However, I thought >>>I >>> would also send out a >>> general message to thank anyone I may have missed >>> along the way. My >>> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >>> go, but it was exactly >>> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >>> such a public email >>> list. >>> >>> Since the last time I checked the messages on this >>> list was before >>> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >>> already said what >>> happened, or at least their version of the story. >>> However, I have already >>> shared my version of the story about a million times >>> by now, so if you are >>> curious as to what happened, you will just have to >>> wait for another time. >>> >>> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. >>>I >>> just wanted to show >>> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >>> the way. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>>???? >>> >>> >>>>>om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Yes. >>> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >>> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >>> people to discuss >>> something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if?I had several >>> people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >>> that was one of the things >>> I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >>> to post online, I'd >>> like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >>> writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >>> they are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students >>> mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >>> blind people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still >>> have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >>> more than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that >>> are more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do >>> you update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your >>> story? Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips >>> need to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same >>> site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a >>> word limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, >>> and religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >>> get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>>62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>>hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>>62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >>> From: Amy Sabo >> To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >>>, >>>????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, >>> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> Message-ID: >>>????< >>> >>> >>>1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. >>>ca.mail.comcast.net >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> hello all, >>> >>> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >>> problems with the latest >>> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >>> features on it to change >>> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >>>is >>> there a way in where i >>> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >>> for jfw that i can use? >>> >>> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> hugs, >>> amy >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list'" >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> Message-ID: >>> <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila >>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >>> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" >>> >>> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >>> (AIM) was about 2 years >>> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >>> the way, it was the >>> FS >>> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now >>>it >>> is inaccessible with >>> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >>> using? Which >>> operating system? Which version of aim? >>> Cheers,?Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Amy Sabo >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >>> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >>> STUDENTS, COLORADO >>> ASSOCIATION >>> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> >>> hello all, >>> >>> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >>> problems with the latest >>> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >>> features on it to change >>> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >>>is >>> there a way in where i >>> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >>> for jfw that i can use? >>> >>> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> hugs, >>> amy >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >>>t.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >>> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> >>> >>>Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >>>I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Brian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >>> **************************************** >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >>>tia%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>>______________________________**_________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>account info >>>for nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>>sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>______________________________**_________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>account info for nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >>>tia%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>>______________________________**_________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>>hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>______________________________**_________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>>sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 16 00:05:45 2011 From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk (Todd Orlowski) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:05:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocational rehab Message-ID: <4jfc0a18rna1bf53a9r5vxaq.1310774745441@email.android.com> what type of issues are you having please email me off list Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone Josh Crunkleton wrote: >Hi. > >I'm having some issues with my vocational rehab agency and am thinking I want to get legal help. Does anyone have any advice about this? Are there attorneys who specialize in this kind of thing? > >Frustrated in Arkansas, > >Josh Crunkleton > > > > >Sent from my iPhone >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sat Jul 16 00:19:23 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:19:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention accomodations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ashley, Not sure what accomodations were provided this year since I was not able to attend, but each year, the board sends a team prior to the convention to speak with, and work with, hotel staff as to the best way to help any convention guest. They also tour the hotel to decide if any other accomodations are necessary beyond the ones the hotel already has in place. Usually restaurants in the hotel are equipped with Braille and large print menus along with providing electronic copies, and the NFB produces these menus. They only provide the restaurants with so many, but it does not seem to be a huge problem. Most places of business today already have Braille and raised print names and numbers on doors. I've yet to see a hotel that did not have permanent Braille/raised print signs on all doors in the facility. However, during convention in Dallas last year, I noticed some of the Braille signs on the doors for the rooms where convention meetings were held, were misspelled or missing letters or the Braille was not correct. It wasn't so bad you couldn't figure out what it was suppose to be, but just the same... The NFB instructs that all convention guest registered are given room keys with some identifying mark (usually tape) so they know which way to hold the key to open their room door. Elevators, like rooms, already have Braille and raised numbers. The convention agenda also has a pretty detailed description of how that year's hotel is layed out for better navigation. It will explain the location of rooms to meeting spaces as well as restaurants and other amenities offered in the hotel complex. There are also people who volunteer to be marshalls who help direct. If you get lost, or are trying to find something, hotel staff or convention marshalls are always nearby to assist. If you're like me, I do not learn very quickly by simply reading; I have "do" too, to really learn, but at least the description helps me understand where key locations are. The staff is pretty much instructed to treat us like any other guest, and for the most part, they do. I had a couple of people in Dallas last year who were a little overly helpful, but nothing major, plus, southern hospitality and all. *smile* I think the general rule impressed upon staff is to leave us alone unless we ask, or obviously if someone is in danger, but that applies to any hotel guest. When checking out, you can ask the desk clerk to go through your bill to double check you will not be charged for something that shouldn't be on there. Last year the rooms had stocked mini bars. When you removed something from the fridge, it automatically was placed as a charge on your bill from sensors that recognized a bar code on each item taken out. We did not realize this and removed a bunch of stuff to place some medications in that needed to be kept cool. The next day the cleaning staff had removed all the items we left sitting out with the intention we would put them back in. We explained the situation at the front desk, where we learned of how the mini bars worked. We were assured the charges wouldn't be reflected on our bill, but when checking out, they were still on it. We were smart enough to request the clerk go through the bill otherwise we would have been charged a hefty sum. They really up the prices on mini bar products. A 24 ounce bottle of water was $3. That tells you how expensive this stuff was. Anyway, necessary measures are taken to ensure convention guest have a great experience. I, personally, have no complaints to speak of in terms of proper accomodations during convention. Bridgit Message: 9 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:21:35 -0400 From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: <1E3CAAACE7D941E991D236684CC6CB96 at OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Joseph, Good. Are you refering to the main hotel or the overflow hotel? Glad they had a nice balance of being helpful. That is always nice for crowd control and assisting people to go where they need to go efficiently. What accomodations did they provide if any, with NFB? I know NFB doesn't believe in making many modifications, but I figured they may do a little. Did they have braille numbers on doors? How about braille menus? Ashley From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 16 03:48:06 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:48:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <20110715230132.GK96500@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com><20110715075731.GM75283@yumi.bluecherry.net><1E3CAAACE7D941E991D236684CC6CB96@OwnerPC> <20110715230132.GK96500@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <5CFD379DB0D941B2B41D40DF09CE68BA@OwnerPC> That's good to know. With a crowd of blind people, I believe that braille menus and signs are quite helpful. You can then confirm you're at the right place by reading the sign or more importantly confirm you are at the right gender's restroom. Actually, while the ADA requires braille signs, they are not covered by older buildings; only renovated ones. Also even after ADA was passed, there was a time frame that businesses did not have to comply; they did not have to comply immediately. If they do renovations, older buildings have to be ADA compliant though. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Both, actually. The rooms had Braille signage (though it was a little weird), and the restaurants had Braille menus available—at least the lounge did when I went with the crew after the Bookshare meeting/party/thing. Hotel staff at the Rosen Centre figured out a day or two in that when a large bunch of us were coming in off the shuttle that there was a particularly good spot to have someone stand to direct those less skilled with travel skills toward the elevators without the need to shout directions and were happy to do it. They were at times more eager to help than needed, but that’s to be expected when you’ve got so many of such wildly varying skill levels. It was really a great experience—just a pricey one. Joseph On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 05:21:35PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Joseph, >Good. Are you refering to the main hotel or the overflow hotel? >Glad they had a nice balance of being helpful. That is always nice for >crowd control and assisting people to go where they need to go efficiently. >What accomodations did they provide if any, with NFB? I know NFB doesn't >believe in making many modifications, but I figured they may do a little. >Did they have braille numbers on doors? How about braille menus? > >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter >Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:57 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years > >The staff were helpful and usually not too overeager to provide help >when not needed. I was pleased with that. > >Joseph > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:21:22PM -0400, David Dodge wrote: >>Personally, I have never encountered a more helpful staff in hotels than I >>did in Orlando at Rosen. I have stayed in literally dozens of hotels and >>they were by far the best so far. >> >>David >>---------------------------------- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >>2011/7/14 Chris Nusbaum >> >>>Probably because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, who I've heard >>>has really supported NFB and was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law >>>Symposium >>>in May. I don't know though, just a guess. >>> >>>Chris >>> >>>"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >>> >>>The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have >>>the >>>ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more >>>and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>>C.A.N. Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>>Anmol, >>>Odd, why on earth are they having it in the same city for that long? That >>>hasn't happened before. >>>Do you know if its in the same hotel? >>>Ashley >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Anmol Bhatia >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>>It was me who sent that message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will be >>>held >>>in Orlando. >>> >>>Anmol >>>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>>there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >>>breeze >>>among flowers. >>>Hellen Keller >>> >>> >>>--- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto Avila >>>> >>>wrote: >>> >>>From: Humberto Avila >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 8:42 PM >>>I didn't send that message. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>>On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:31 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>>Humberto, >>> >>>I thought 2012 would be in Dallas, as I heard from >>>Dr. Maurer at >>>this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's would >>>be in >>>Orlando, making it six years. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >>>motto) >>> >>>The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth >>>in >>>Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >>>Click >>>on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>>www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>>C.A.N. >>>Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Anmol Bhatia >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> >>>The convention will actually be in Orlando for the next six >>> >>>years. >>> >>> >>> >>>--- On Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti >>wrote: >>> >>> From: Rachael Vacanti >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >>> I agree with Chris and Sherri.? >>> I haven't seen the old schedule, but that's >>> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday and didn't >>> leave until the next >>> Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >>> right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >>> of the hotel once.?I meant to go places, like the >>> beach, Citywalk and Bubba >>> Gump Shrimp, but I couldn't get there.?Why?? >>> Because there were too many >>> things to do at convention.?Convention was awesome >>> and I had a great time, >>> but I really wanted to go out and explore Florida a bit >>> more.?I looked at >>> the agenda and technically, the first 3 days weren't >>> "required".?General >>> sessions didn't start until Wendsday. >>> >>> One thing I think might also help convention, is if they >>> announce the state >>> cacus.?I missed mine cause I had only heard about it >>> once and I don't think >>> he even told me where it was.?The states should get >>> them sorted out before >>> convention and email their state this is when and where >>>it >>> is.?I know that >>> not everything can be perfect at a thing like this, but >>> they did a very good >>> job.?For my first time, it was pretty good. >>> >>> Rachael >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, >> wrote: >>> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>>????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >>> visit >>>????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >>> 'help' to >>>????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >>> more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>>젨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >>> for 5 years (Chris Nusbaum) >>>젨?. Re: question about brail to word >>> program? (Chris Nusbaum) >>>젨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this day in mi >>>???(Josh Gregory) >>>젨?. Re: question about NLS WebBraille >>> (Katie Wang) >>>젨?. accessible blog and journal sites >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>>젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (Joshua Lester) >>>젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>>젨?. Thanks for the Help at National >>> Convention (Elizabeth) >>>젨?. Re: accessible blog and journal >>> sites (Joshua Lester) >>>?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >>>?11. Re: aim problem (Humberto Avila) >>>?12. iPal for sale (David Andrews) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------**------------------------------**----- >>>----- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: NABS list , >>> NFBMD list , >>> NFB >>>????history list >> Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >>> 5 years >>> Message-ID: >>> <4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> >>> >>>?---- Original Message ------ >>> From: "Sherri" >> Subject: [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for 5 years >>> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >>> >>> It was announced at the convention that conventions >>> from 2013 >>> through 2017 >>> will be held in Orlando.?I wish we could extend >>> the length of >>> the convention >>> back to how it was and NFB would >>> organize tours for Wednesday afternoon.?That >>> way, people could >>> get excited >>> about Orlando and have time to go places.?I >>> liked the old >>> schedule much >>> better.?If we are going to keep people here for >>> five years in a >>> row, we need >>> to give them ample opportunity to take advantage of >>> all there is >>> to do in >>> Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the night >>> before the last >>> day of >>> convention. >>> >>> >>> Sherri Brun >>> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making >>> other >>> plans." John >>> Lennon >>> >>> Check out >>> http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun >>> >>> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >>>?NFBF Newsline? chair >>> www.nfbnewsline.org >>> Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >>> http://nfbfgoc.org >>> Secretary FDCP INC >>> www.fdcp.org >>> Chair Orange County Disability Advisory Committee >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for blindtlk: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid >>>. >>> nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>????list>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> Message-ID: >>> <4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> You could also join the BrailleNote list, where users >>> of the >>> BrailleNote can talk about tips and tricks regarding >>> the BN and >>> ask questions when they're having technical >>> problems.?Here's the >>> link: >>> >>>www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>.? >>> In >>> the mean time, if you'd like, I can post your question >>> to the BN >>> list and forward you any responses off list.? >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>>?Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >>> youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >>> How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>>?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>>?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list'" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> >>> Are you trying to convert the Braille Note native >>> format >>> documents into word >>> documents.?If you want to do so, you will have >>> to use your >>> Braille note to >>> do it because there is no program that will translate >>> and convert >>> Keyword >>> Braille format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >>> (.doc) >>> documents, unless >>> you want to convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >>> and then use >>> a program >>> in your PC to convert .BRF files into .doc files--you >>> will need >>> Duxbury >>> Braille translator (which costs about $900 for the >>> license if you >>> don't >>> already have it--you can although try it for free but >>> some >>> functions will be >>> disabled) >>> I hope this was helpful to you.?Feel free to >>> send another >>> message off list >>> if you can and I will give you more instructions--this >>> is good >>> practice for >>> me because I will be a teacher of the blind teaching >>> assistive >>> technology. >>> Cheers,?Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Andi >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >>> program? >>> >>> I am sure this is a silly question but I have to >>> ask.?I use to >>> use my brail >>> >>> note quite a bit but now I use my laptop more, I was >>> wondering if >>> there is a >>> >>> program to change the files from the brail document to >>> a word >>> document? >>> Please keep in mind I am not very tech savvy so the >>> simpaler to >>> use the >>> better, but I still want it to do a good job.? >>> thank you so much >>> for your >>> help. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:47 PM >>> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >>> First Portable >>> Camera >>> Reading System to Support Touchscreen >>> >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First Portable Camera >>> Reading >>> System >>> to Support Touchscreen >>> for People with Low Vision >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - GW Micro, >>> Inc.?( >>> www.gwmicro.com) >>> and VisionAid International Ltd ( >>> >>>www.visionaid-international.**com >>>) >>> are proud to announce the Readit Wand!?The >>> Readit Wand is a >>> portable >>> camera that >>> connects to a computer to instantly magnify and read >>> documents >>> for >>> the visually impaired. >>> Easily read mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >>> more with >>> ease >>> using the Readit >>> Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand will >>> be read in a >>> clear, >>> human-sounding >>> voice.?The ability to read all of these items >>> makes Readit Wand >>> the >>> perfect tool >>> for the classroom, at home, or at work. >>> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds and easily connects >>> via USB. >>> The >>> 5-megapixel camera >>> is highly accurate and extremely fast, allowing for >>> recognition >>> in as >>> little as two >>> seconds.?The stylish and compact Readit Wand >>> allows for >>> automatic >>> multi-language >>> switching when other languages are installed.? >>> The portability >>> and >>> multiple language >>> support make it the ideal tool for students who are >>> learning a >>> foreign language. >>> Readit Wand comes with exceptionally powerful software >>> that >>> allows >>> you to save, load, >>> import, and export documents, including PDFs.? >>> Importing PDF >>> files >>> into the Readit >>> software enables users to read PDF files that >>> originally are >>> inaccessible because >>> they are displayed as graphics.?Readit Wand also >>> allows you to >>> save >>> documents as >>> a Word document, txt file, rtf, or even save your >>> document as an >>> MP3 >>> file to listen >>> to it on your favorite MP3 player. >>> The Readit Wand software contains an easy to use, easy >>> access >>> toolbar >>> designed specifically >>> for low vision users.?The toolbar provides the >>> ability to adjust >>> the >>> size of the >>> clear, colorful icons, which give instant access to >>> all the basic >>> controls enabling >>> low vision users to capture their document, change the >>> view to >>> their >>> preference and >>> more at the click of a button. >>> Low vision consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >>> different >>> types >>> of highlights, >>> as well as six different ways to display text, >>> allowing low >>> vision >>> users to customize >>> the software to their personal preference. >>> When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the Readit >>> Wand is the >>> first >>> portable camera >>> to enable touchscreen support, allowing low vision >>> users the >>> ability >>> to interact >>> with the software by simply using their fingers!? >>> This means no >>> more >>> tracking the >>> cursor, which provides direct interaction between the >>> user and >>> the >>> Readit software, >>> creating the best possible user experience. >>> GW Micro is the exclusive master distributor for the >>> Readit Wand >>> in >>> the U.S., developed >>> and manufactured by VisionAid International, located >>> in the >>> UK.?Readit Wand will >>> be available soon from GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >>> For more information on the Readit Wand, visit >>> www.gwmicro.com, >>> email >>> sales at gwmicro.com >>> , or call GW Micro at (260) 489-3671. >>> GW Micro, Inc.?( >>> www.gwmicro.com) >>> has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology >>> industry >>> since 1990, >>> and >>> continues to lead with innovative, customer driven >>> solutions. >>> VisionAid International, Ltd ( >>> >>>www.visionaid-international.**com >>>), >>> established in 2002, is dedicated to producing fast, >>> effective >>> and >>> simple to use >>> devices for people who are partially sighted and blind >>> that make >>> reading a pleasure >>> once again. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**adrianne >>>. >>> dempsey%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >>> t.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >>> From: Josh Gregory >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>????list>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this day >>>????in mi >>> Message-ID: >>> <4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.**ffffc150 at mx.google.com<4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> Hi, >>> OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, each >>> other's >>> competetors/enemies/whatever.?**So, at the moment >>> anyway, I doubt >>> it. >>> Best, >>> Josh >>> >>> sent from my Apex >>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> >>>?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:30:00 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this >>> day in mi >>> >>> I forwarded this because since the NFB is working to >>> ensure >>> accessible voting and was the driving force behind the >>> Help >>> America Vote Act (HAVA.) So, we might be able to work >>> jointly >>> with ACB on this.?What does >>> everyone think? >>>?Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >>> youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" >>> How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I >>> C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>>?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>>?----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> >> Date sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >>> issues to this >>> day in mi >>> >>> Chris, why are you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >>>?Thoughts on this? >>> >>>?Chris >>> >>>?"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp >>> Abilities >>> motto) >>> >>>?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >>> impaired youth in >>>?Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I >>> can!" How? Click >>>?on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>>?www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >>> at I C.A.N. >>>?Foundation. >>> >>> >>> >>>?Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>>?---- Original Message ------ >>>?From: "joe harcz Comcast" >>?Subject: [acb-l] polling place access issues to >>> this day in mi >>>?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 -0400 >>> >>>?A Call to Action ? >>> >>>?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan Voters >>> with Disabilities >>>?Have Access to the Polls in 2012 >>> >>>?A Public Report on >>>?Polling Place >>> >>>?Accessibility in Michigan >>> >>>?Public Report by >>> >>>?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >>> >>>?2011 >>> >>>?Acknowledgements >>> >>>?Michigan Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >>> is Michigan? >>>?designated agency to advocate and protect the >>> legal rights of >>>?persons with disabilities, mandated >>>?by federal and state law.?MPAS receives >>> funding from the >>>?Administration on Developmental Disabilities, >>> the center for >>>?Mental Health Services ?Substance >>>?Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, >>> the >>>?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >>> Social Security >>>?Administration, the State of Michigan >>>?and from private donations. >>> >>>?Funding for this report has been made possible >>> through the U.S. >>>?Department of Health and Human Services, >>> Administration for >>>?Children and Families, and the >>>?Administration on Developmental >>> Disabilities.?The contents are >>>?the sole responsibility of the author and do not >>> necessarily >>>?represent the official views >>>?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >>> Services. >>> >>>?2011 by Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> Service, Inc.?This >>>?publication may be reproduced in part or in its >>> entirety for >>>?noncommercial purposes as long >>>?as appropriate credit is given. >>> >>>?Table of Contents >>> >>>?Executive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Summary.......................**..............................**..... >>>? >>> ..............................**.....................5 >>> >>>?Midterm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Report........................**..............................**..... >>>? >>> >>>..............................**...........................6 >>> >>>?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Project.......................**..............................**..... >>>?.........7 >>> >>>?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >>> Election >>>? >>> Officials.....................**.................10 >>> >>>?Next >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Steps.........................**..............................**..... >>>? >>> >>>..............................**..............................**..11 >>> >>>?In >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Summary.......................**..............................**..... >>>? >>> >>>..............................**..............................**..11 >>> >>>?Accessibility Rate Per >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>County........................**..............................**..... >>>?.............................**...13 >>> >>>?Executive Summary >>> >>>?In Michigan, voters with disabilities face >>> obstacles at voting >>>?locations often because their polling place >>> lacks physical >>>?accessibility.?The Help America >>>?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the unique >>> obstacles faced by >>> voters >>>?with disabilities and authorized funding for the >>> federally >>>?mandated Protection and Advocacy >>>?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to help remove >>> barriers. >>>?Unfortunately, this vital mandate has been >>> targeted for >>>?elimination in the President? proposed >>>?2012 budget. >>> >>>?HAVA charged Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>> Service, (MPAS), >>>?and other Protection & Advocacy agencies >>> with helping to ensure >>>?the full participation of >>>?individuals with disabilities in the electoral >>> process, >>> including >>>?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >>> accessing polling >>>?places. >>> >>>?The PAVA program at MPAS is designed to ensure >>> that every >>>?eligible Michigan resident receives equal access >>> to their >>> polling >>>?location and has the opportunity >>>?to cast an independent secret ballot.?MPAS >>> staff members are on >>>?the ground providing advice, technical >>> assistance, and training >>>?to election officials about >>>?voting accessibility across the spectrum of >>> disabilities.?The >>>?agency also provides outreach and training to >>> voters with >>>?disabilities, poll workers, and >>>?service providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >>> of State of Michigan >>>?partnered over the past six years working toward >>> this goal, >>> which >>>?has been effective in >>>?increasing physical access to polling locations >>> throughout >>>?Michigan. >>> >>>?Voting is a fundamental right protected by the >>> United States >>>?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court and >>> subject to intense >>>?public scrutiny each election >>>?cycle.?Provisions within these protections >>> prohibit >>>?discrimination against people with disabilities >>> in the electoral >>>?process.?Exercising their Constitutional >>>?right, however, has continued to be a challenge >>> for individuals >>>?with disabilities despite changes made to >>> federal and state laws >>>?intended to ensure full >>>?participation. >>> >>>?Key Summary >>> >>>???젨잻isability advocates >>> have visited 95% (3,457) and >>>?reviewed the exterior of polling locations in >>> Michigan. >>> >>>???젨쟖pon initial review, >>> Michigan Protection and Advocacy >>>?Service found that only 75% of 3,457 Michigan >>> polling places >>> were >>>?compliant under the Americans >>>?with Disabilities Act. >>> >>>???젨잸fter working with >>> state and local officials, it is >>>?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility rate >>> will be increased >>>?to 90% in 2012. >>> >>>???젨쟏f the locations that >>> were inaccessible, 60% had one >>>?barrier, 30% had two types of barriers, and 6% >>> had three or more >>>?types of barriers. >>> >>>???젨쟏nly six of the 84 >>> counties in Michigan were 100% >>>?physically accessible upon initial visit. >>> >>>???젨쟋PAS continues to >>> receive complaints regarding the >>>?AutoMARK, Michigan? accessible ballot marking >>> device. >>> >>>?Michigan has made great strides toward >>> accessibility at the >>>?polls.?This report will highlight the >>> steps taken to ensure >>> that >>>?all polling locations throughout >>>?Michigan are accessible to voters with >>> disabilities.?In >>>?addition, the report will offer recommendations >>> for Michigan to >>>?achieve and maintain an accessibility >>>?rate of 100%. >>> >>>?2010 Mid Term Report >>> >>>?Acknowledging widespread irregularity throughout >>> the country, >>>?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) >>> in 2002.?HAVA >>>?included sweeping legislation >>>?intended to modernize the electoral system for >>> all voters, >>>?including those with disabilities.?The >>> Help America Vote Act >>>?reinforced the application of >>>?Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act >>> and Section 504 >>>?of the Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >>> 2004, Michigan >>>?lawmakers amended Michigan election >>>?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to require the >>> removal of physical >>>?barriers at polling locations.? >>> Irrespective of both federal and >>>?state law, 25% of Michigan's >>>?voting locations continued to be inaccessible >>> for the November >>>?2010 general election.?To achieve an >>> all-encompassing voting >>>?standard for the fifty states, >>>?HAVA included two key components for the >>> disability community: >>> >>>???젨잸ll polling places >>> must have at least one voting system >>>?which allows all citizens to cast a ballot >>> privately and >>>?independently, whether or not one >>>?has a disability. >>> >>>???젨쟔tates must ensure >>> accessibility at all public polling >>>?places in a manner compliant with the Americans >>> with >>> Disabilities >>>?Act (ADA). >>> >>>?Accessible Voting System >>> >>>?In 2004, the disability community and the >>> Michigan Secretary of >>>?State? Bureau of Elections (BOE) carefully >>> assessing which >>>?accessible device would best >>>?fit the needs of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >>> selected the >>>?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an accessible >>> ballot marking device >>>?that can be used by all voters >>>?with or without disabilities. >>> >>>?Although every polling location is equipped with >>> the AutoMARK, >>>?each municipality is responsible for making sure >>> it is set up >>> and >>>?operating properly.?Unfortunately, >>>?MPAS continues to receive complaints about the >>> AutoMARK.?Voter >>>?complaints have included the following:? >>> the AutoMARK was boxed >>>?up on Election Day, unplugged, >>>?jammed up, turned off, or set up so other voters >>> could see the >>>??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >>> jammed ballots have been >>>?greatly reduced since the >>>?last round of updates were completed.? >>> Because the AutoMARK is >>>?used only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >>> feedback to >>>?correct these kinds of problems. >>>?MPAS continues to monitor and respond to >>> complaints as they >>>?arise. >>> >>>?Accessible Polling Places >>> >>>?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >>> money to assist >>> with >>>?the purchase of accessible equipment like the >>> AutoMARK, but also >>>?to help municipalities >>>?make their polling places physically >>> accessible.?Congress >>>?recognized that in order for people to use the >>> accessible voting >>>?machines, the building must >>>?also be accessible so voters can access the >>> polling location and >>>?voting equipment.?It is the local election >>> officials? >>>?responsibility to make sure all >>>?polling locations are accessible on Election >>> Day.?To help cover >>>?the expense for removing barriers at polling >>> locations, the >>>?Michigan BOE administers a >>>?grant program called Access for All, under the >>> U.S.?Department >>>?of Health and Human Services with funding >>> allocated through >>> HAVA, >>>?to help the state comply >>>?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, the >>> Access for All grants >>>?cover all costs associated with accessibility >>> upgrades for >>>?polling locations. >>> >>>?When Michigan? State Plan to implement >>> provisions under HAVA >>> was >>>?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks were >>> required to complete an >>>?accessibility checklist >>>?to determine whether or not their locations were >>> accessible. >>>?This was one of the state? first attempts to >>> gather information >>>?on Michigan? polling place >>>?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >>> other organizations >>>?were working closely with individual election >>> officials on >>>?polling location reviews and >>>?were also training the municipal clerks on the >>> accessibility >>>?requirements.?MPAS also spent a >>> considerable amount of time >>>?assisting clerks with assessing >>>?the accessibility of their polling locations and >>> helping them >>>?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >>> found that the >>>?accessibility data provided by >>>?clerks was not, in certain instances, wholly >>> reliable. >>> >>>?MPAS brought this to the Bureau of Election? >>> (BOE) attention >>> and >>>?shared independent accessibility reviews with >>> them.?The BOE has >>>?since increased efforts >>>?to ensure the accuracy of reporting by improving >>> communication >>>?and requiring additional documentation from the >>> clerks. >>> >>>?In 2008, MPAS started to assess municipal >>> polling locations >>>?randomly, without notifying the election >>> official in advance. >>>?After compiling this data on >>>?polling locations statewide, the systemic issue >>> of >>>?inaccessibility became a heightened >>> concern.?Once these >>> concerns >>>?were communicated to the Bureau of >>>?Elections, they backed a new initiative in 2010 >>> dramatically >>>?increasing their involvement in the advancement >>> of polling place >>>?accessibility. >>> >>>?This same year, the federal government began >>> reviewing how the >>>?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >>> fueled speculation that >>>?the federal government would >>>?eliminate the monies available under HAVA, since >>> some states had >>>?not spent their money, rather placing it in an >>> account and >>>?allowing the funds to gain >>>?interest.?Concerned that Congress would >>> pull the allocated >>> funds >>>?completely, which would prevent municipalities >>> from accessing >>>?money to make polling places >>>?accessible, MPAS, along with the Michigan Bureau >>> of Elections, >>>?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >>> accessibility at all >>>?Michigan polling places. >>> >>>?Michigan? Polling Place Accessibility Project >>> >>>?In 2010, Michigan started building the framework >>> of a statewide >>>?plan to reach 100% polling place >>> accessibility.?MPAS and the >>>?Bureau of Elections strengthened >>>?their partnership in order to achieve this >>> goal.?Within this >>>?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >>> locations throughout >>>?the state.?Michigan has >>>?approximately 3,600 polling places in >>> total.?MPAS had already >>>?gathered information on 530 polling places prior >>> to 2010, >>>?therefore, did not revisit those >>>?locations (some were initially accessible and >>> others MPAS worked >>>?closely with clerks to improve >>> accessibility.?MPAS is still >>>?working with clerks to bring >>>?the remaining 57 of the 530 polling locations >>> into compliance). >>>?MPAS was able to visit the remaining 2,927 >>> polling locations in >>>?2010. >>> >>>?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site reviews of at >>> least 95% of the >>>?polling places in Michigan. >>> >>>?The on-site reviews conducted in 2010, exposed >>> nearly 25% of the >>>?polling places that remained physically >>> inaccessible as required >>>?by the Americans with >>>?Disabilities Accessibility Guidelines. >>> >>>?Of the 3,457 polling locations noted above, >>> 2,927 were assessed >>>?between May-August 2010.?Using the ADAAG >>> as a benchmark to >>>?determine physical accessibility, >>>?over 800 polling locations within the 2,927 >>> locations visited, >>>?had physical barriers failing to comply with the >>> ADAAG ? >>> barriers >>>?that create potential >>>?difficulties to voters with disabilities on >>> Election Day. >>> >>>?Barriers can prevent people with disabilities >>> from fully >>>?participating in all aspects of society because >>> of their >>>?disability.?This might include >>> architectural >>>?barriers, physical barriers, communication >>> barriers, attitudinal >>>?barriers, cultural barriers, etc.? >>> Throughout this project, >>> MPAS? >>>?reviews focused primarily >>>?on physical and external barriers, which are >>> defined as >>> something >>>?material that blocks passage.?Physical >>> barriers addressed in >>>?this report include objects >>>?in the environment such as inaccessible doors or >>> doorways, >>>?inaccessible elevators or lack thereof, >>> inaccessible door >>>?hardware, inaccessible parking, etc. >>> >>>?Among the 2,927 polling locations visited in >>> 2010, 28% did not >>>?meet accessibility standards.?Based on >>> discussions with the BOE >>>?in 2008, when MPAS completed >>>?the unannounced visits, clerks were not only >>> notified with a >>>?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, but >>> they were also >>>?notified by the Bureau of Elections. >>>?MPAS and the BOE required prompt reply about the >>> municipalities >>>?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >>> letters contained a >>>?photograph of the problem area(s), >>>?along with the appropriate ADAAG citation.? >>> Within a five month >>>?period, letters were sent to over 440 >>> municipalities concerning >>>?approximately 800 polling >>>?locations. >>> >>>?As shown below, 28% of the polling places >>> visited in 2010 had >>>?some type of physical barrier present at the >>> time of review. >>> >>>?The following chart highlights the most common >>> number of >>> physical >>>?barriers discovered at each location. >>> >>>?A majority of the locations reviewed had only >>> one physical >>>?barrier present.?While the largest and >>> most frequent problem >>> was >>>?related to parking, the types >>>?of barriers at each location varied as shown in >>> the following >>>?chart. >>> >>>?Text Box: Parking Signs: locations that had >>> accessible parking >>>?but no signs posted?Parking:? >>> locations that had no parking >>>?designated or noncompliant access >>>?aisles?Pathway:?barriers that >>> existed between access aisles >>> and >>>?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >>> door width, door >>>?thresholds, door hardware, vestibules, >>>?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with curb cuts, >>> ramps, handrails, >>>?thresholds greater than 1 inch, etc. >>> >>>?Communicating Accessibility Problems with >>> Election Officials >>> >>>?After completing the on-site reviews, MPAS >>> notified municipal >>>?clerks of locations where barriers were >>> discovered.?Within a >>>?four-month period, over 440 >>>?letters were sent to election officials.? >>> By the end of 2010, >>> 88% >>>?of those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >>> plan of >>> correction. >>>?In addition, MPAS >>>?provided technical assistance to the election >>> officials on how >>> to >>>?improve access to their polling location in >>> order to come into >>>?compliance.젨잹ased on >>>?the responses received from clerks, 43% informed >>> us they were >>>?would make the changes required; 31% corrected >>> the barriers at >>>?the polling locations; 9% >>>?were going to apply for Access for All grant; >>> and the remaining >>>?responses varied from clerk using temporary >>> equipment. >>> >>>?When a clerk informed MAPS that the work was >>> completed, MPAS >>>?required documentation from each clerk proving >>> or stating that >>>?the work had been completed, >>>?including photographs and/or copies of purchase >>> orders.?A >>>?majority of the clerks responded either with a >>> plan of >>> correction >>>?for spring 2011 or with a >>>?statement that the work was completed.? >>> MPAS is still waiting >>> for >>>?some clerks to confirm that the work was done >>> sufficiently. >>> Once >>>?the removal of barriers >>>?at these locations has been verified, MPAS >>> expects Michigan? >>>?polling place accessibility rate to rise to >>> nearly 90 % ?-- >>>?one of the highest in the nation. >>>?There remains, however, substantial work to be >>> completed in the >>>?city of Detroit in order to reach this >>> goal.?The remaining 12% >>>?of clerks, who did not respond >>>?to MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >>> correction, >>> will >>>?become a 2011 priority in order to attain 100% >>> accessibility. >>> >>>?NEXT STEPS >>> >>>?While the focus of this report has been on >>> reaching the 90% >>>?accessibility rate, there would still be >>> approximately 10% of >>>?polling locations in Michigan >>>?that are not accessible to all voters.? >>> Some clerks disagree >>> with >>>?the findings and MPAS is working with those >>> clerks. >>> >>>?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting a number of >>> polling locations >>>?that are still recorded as being inaccessible, >>> breaking them >>> into >>>?three categories: failure >>>?to communicate; work promised but documentation >>> still needed; >>> and >>>?locations requiring review by MPAS. >>> >>>?MPAS will focus attention on election officials >>> who have failed >>>?to respond to MPAS communication attempts.? >>> This may involve >>>?revisiting the location (some >>>?clerks correct the problem even when they fail >>> to respond), >>>?attending city council/township meetings, filing >>> official HAVA >>>?complaints, and/or pursuing >>>?legal action under different funding >>> sources.?MPAS?goal has >>>?always been to educate clerks and assist them >>> with improving >>>?access first by proposing solutions >>>?to removing barriers. >>> >>>?In 2011, MPAS will also direct its attention to >>> monitoring the >>>?correction plans that election officials have >>> submitted to >>> ensure >>>?that barriers are removed. >>>?MPAS will review the remaining 150 polling >>> locations that have >>>?not been visited yet. >>> >>>?In Summary >>> >>>?Throughout the 2010 project, the partnership >>> between MPAS and >>> the >>>?Michigan Bureau of Elections (BOE) was >>> crucial.?The state >>>?reinforced the necessity of >>>?accessible elections.?They followed up >>> with each municipality >>>?whose polling place was noted as being >>> inaccessible in order to >>>?determine the jurisdiction's >>>?planned course of action.?In addition, the >>> BOE coordinated and >>>?extended Michigan's polling place improvement >>> grant well into >>> the >>>?fall to assist municipalities >>>?in removing barriers to voting at no cost. >>> >>>?Local election officials can either upgrade >>> their polling places >>>?(with or without grant funds), or relocate the >>> polling place to >>>?an accessible site.?The >>>?Bureau of Elections reports that due to the 2010 >>> project, they >>>?have seen a large increase in the number of >>> municipalities >>>?applying for grant money.?In >>>?an effort to assist with the project, the BOE >>> extended the >>>?typical grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >>> additional >>>?opportunity to respond to MPAS? >>>?letter and correct the problem(s) by using grant >>> funds.?The >>>?Michigan Bureau of Elections received 74 grant >>> applications, the >>>?largest amount ever received >>>?in one grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >>> applications, 66 >>>?applicants received letters from MPAS seeking a >>> plan of >>>?correction - 89% of those who applied. >>>?A large number of municipalities have pledged to >>> apply when the >>>?next grant period opens in early 2011. >>> >>>?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives the President? >>> proposed >>> budget >>>?cuts, MPAS looks forward to continuing the >>> partnership with the >>>?Secretary of State, ensuring >>>?all elections are accessible to all >>> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >>>?encourages clerks to reach out to local >>> disability groups for >>>?future trainings.?Listed >>>?below are additional recommendations moving >>> forward. >>> >>>?Summary/Recommendations: >>> >>>???젨쟊ocal clerks must be >>> required to notify the Bureau of >>>?Elections prior to relocating polling places. >>> >>>???젨잸ccessibility checks >>> should be completed when clerks >>>?change polling locations, to verify >>> accessibility.?Reports >>> (with >>>?photographs) should be submitted >>>?to the Bureau of Elections. >>> >>>???젨쟍ew polling locations >>> must be required to adhere to the >>>?Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility >>> Guidelines. >>> >>>???젨쟕he advisory committee >>> in charge of amending the State >>>?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene and identify >>> ways to hold >>>?clerks accountable and implement >>>?model oversight programs. >>> >>>???젨잸ccess for All grant >>> money should be available >>> throughout >>>?the year, so accessibility problems can be >>> addressed anytime >>> they >>>?arise. >>> >>>???젨쟕he Bureau of >>> Elections and local clerks should continue >>>?working with disability advocacy organizations >>> to complete >>>?year-round polling place accessibility >>>?audits and training to clerks. >>> >>>?Accessibility Rate by County >>> >>>?Table with 9 columns and 85 rows >>> >>>?County >>> >>>?Polling Locations >>> >>>?Visited >>> >>>?Accessible >>> >>>?Barriers Discovered >>> >>>?Percent Visited >>> >>>?% Accessible of those Visited >>> >>>?Now Complete >>> >>>?% Now Accessible >>> >>>?Alcona >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?Alger >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?50% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Allegan >>> >>>?37 >>> >>>?37 >>> >>>?35 >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?97% >>> >>>?Alpena >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?53% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?Antrim >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?73% >>> >>>?Arenac >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?Baraga >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?17% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?33% >>> >>>?Barry >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?Bay >>> >>>?49 >>> >>>?48 >>> >>>?36 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?98% >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?Benzie >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?46% >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?Berrien >>> >>>?57 >>> >>>?57 >>> >>>?43 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Branch >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?53% >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?88% >>> >>>?Calhoun >>> >>>?46 >>> >>>?43 >>> >>>?34 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?79% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?Cass >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?Charlevoix >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?69% >>> >>>?Cheboygan >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?Chippewa >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?72% >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?Clare >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?84% >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?Clinton >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?26 >>> >>>?24 >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?Crawford >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?Delta >>> >>>?21 >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?55% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?Dickinson >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?40% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?73% >>> >>>?Eaton >>> >>>?36 >>> >>>?36 >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?Emmet >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Genesee >>> >>>?119 >>> >>>?109 >>> >>>?84 >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?79% >>> >>>?Gladwin >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?65% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?Gogebic >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?Grand Traverse >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Gratiot >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?Hillsdale >>> >>>?21 >>> >>>?21 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?57% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?Houghton >>> >>>?31 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?41% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?64% >>> >>>?Huron >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?29 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?97% >>> >>>?62% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?79% >>> >>>?Ingham >>> >>>?95 >>> >>>?81 >>> >>>?78 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?85% >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?Ionia >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?82% >>> >>>?Iosco >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Iron >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?50% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?Isabella >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?76% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?80% >>> >>>?Jackson >>> >>>?47 >>> >>>?45 >>> >>>?34 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?76% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?80% >>> >>>?Kalamazoo >>> >>>?97 >>> >>>?97 >>> >>>?79 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Kalkaska >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?Kent >>> >>>?209 >>> >>>?207 >>> >>>?174 >>> >>>?33 >>> >>>?99% >>> >>>?84% >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Keweenaw >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?80% >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Lake >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?53% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?Lapeer >>> >>>?24 >>> >>>?24 >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?Leelanau >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?62% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?69% >>> >>>?Lenawee >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?Livingston >>> >>>?48 >>> >>>?45 >>> >>>?35 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?Luce >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?Mackinac >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?50% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?Macomb >>> >>>?235 >>> >>>?233 >>> >>>?188 >>> >>>?45 >>> >>>?99% >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?88% >>> >>>?Manistee >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?73% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?Marquette >>> >>>?29 >>> >>>?29 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?13 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?55% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?59% >>> >>>?Mason >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?15 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?65% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?Mecosta >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?82% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?Menominee >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?88% >>> >>>?57% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?57% >>> >>>?Midland >>> >>>?38 >>> >>>?29 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?76% >>> >>>?76% >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?Missaukee >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?82% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Monroe >>> >>>?42 >>> >>>?36 >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Montcalm >>> >>>?26 >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?21 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?84% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?Montmorency >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Muskegon >>> >>>?72 >>> >>>?71 >>> >>>?68 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?99% >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?99% >>> >>>?Newaygo >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?79% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Oakland >>> >>>?410 >>> >>>?380 >>> >>>?292 >>> >>>?88 >>> >>>?93% >>> >>>?77% >>> >>>?46 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Oceana >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?Ogemaw >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?Ontonagon >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?30% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?30% >>> >>>?Osceola >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?18 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?78% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?89% >>> >>>?Oscoda >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?Otsego >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?7 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?Ottawa >>> >>>?88 >>> >>>?88 >>> >>>?79 >>> >>>?9 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?90% >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?95% >>> >>>?Presque Isle >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?Roscommon >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?11 >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?Saginaw >>> >>>?75 >>> >>>?75 >>> >>>?61 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?81% >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?Sanilac >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?26 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?87% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?97% >>> >>>?Schoolcraft >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?60% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?80% >>> >>>?Shiawassee >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?27 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?10 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?74% >>> >>>?St.?Clair >>> >>>?52 >>> >>>?48 >>> >>>?44 >>> >>>?4 >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?92% >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?98% >>> >>>?St.?Joseph >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?17 >>> >>>?12 >>> >>>?5 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?71% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?82% >>> >>>?Tuscola >>> >>>?25 >>> >>>?24 >>> >>>?16 >>> >>>?8 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?67% >>> >>>?2 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?Van Buren >>> >>>?23 >>> >>>?22 >>> >>>?19 >>> >>>?3 >>> >>>?96% >>> >>>?86% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?91% >>> >>>?Washtenaw >>> >>>?106 >>> >>>?100 >>> >>>?70 >>> >>>?30 >>> >>>?94% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?0 >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?Wayne >>> >>>?568 >>> >>>?519 >>> >>>?325 >>> >>>?194 >>> >>>?91% >>> >>>?63% >>> >>>?28 >>> >>>?68% >>> >>>?Wexford >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?20 >>> >>>?14 >>> >>>?6 >>> >>>?100% >>> >>>?70% >>> >>>?1 >>> >>>?75% >>> >>>?Total >>> >>>?3635 >>> >>>?3457 >>> >>>?2579 >>> >>>?878 >>> >>>?95.10% >>> >>>?74.60% >>> >>>?289 >>> >>>?83% >>> >>>?table end >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >>> From: Katie Wang >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS WebBraille >>> Message-ID: >>>???? >>> >>> >>>>>om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>>?Chris, there is no Download button on Web >>> Braille. Instead, when you >>> are taken to the book itself, just press Space with s >>> on your Braille >>> Note and you will be prompted for where you would like >>> to save the >>> file and what you would like to name it. NLS saves >>> each braille volume >>> of a book in a separate file, so you will have to do >>> this multiple >>> times if you are dealing with a book that is in more >>> than one volume. >>> I have been a Web Braille user for many years and find >>> it a great >>> resource, although I have come to rely on Bookshare >>> more in the past >>> few years for pleasure reading since it has a much >>> larger, more >>> current collection. >>>?Lea, I don't think you are doing anything wrong >>> on your end-- It >>> might be a NLS database issue. I would suggest >>> contacting your state >>> NLS library again and see if they can get you >>> some?sort of technical >>> support contact info. Someone from the central >>>program >>> that >>> administers the Web Braille service might need to look >>> into your >>> situation. >>>?Hope this helps! >>>젨쟇atie >>> >>> >>> On 7/10/11, Lea williams >> wrote: >>> I tried to sing up with this sight and when I log >>> in it says my user >>> name and password is wrong. I have called and >>> gotten it changed three >>> times and it still says it. wonder what I am >>> doing wrong. >>> >>> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a question for all you NLS Web Braille >>> users! I recently >>> registered for WebBraille, and am looking >>> forward to all it has >>> to offer.?But I do have this question: >>> when I click on a link >>> for a book, where can I find a link, button, >>> or something where I >>> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >>> BrailleNote? I tried to >>> download Walking Alone and Marching Together >>> last night, and when >>> I clicked on the link, it put me into the >>> actual book to read >>> online, but I wanted to download the book to >>> read it in my >>> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >>> date.?How can I do this? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" >>> (Camp Abilities motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >>> impaired youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say >>> "I can!" How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to >>> contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >>> Facebook at I C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >>> get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole >>>1988%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> >>>http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati >>>e6%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list" >>>????>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal sites >>> Message-ID: >>> <**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC >>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >>> 젨쟠harset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more than >>> one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do bloggers >>> generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are more >>> objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you update >>> it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? Or >>> maybe you need sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need to >>> be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with friends and >>> family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories about >>> myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>>???? >>> >>>>>om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >>> people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >>> than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are >>> more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >>> update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >>> Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >>> to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >>> Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>>62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list" >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>> <**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >>> charset="Windows-1252"; >>>????reply-type=original >>> >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of people >>> to discuss something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if?I had several >>> people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and that >>> was one of the things I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >>>to >>> post online, I'd like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >>> writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know they >>> are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for blind >>> people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe more >>> than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that are >>> more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do you >>> update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your story? >>> Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips need >>> to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same site? >>> Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a word >>> limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, and >>> religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>>62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>>hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >>> From: Elizabeth >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the Help at National >>> Convention >>> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I have done my best to thank everyone individually for >>> the help they have >>> provided me over the past week. However, I thought >>>I >>> would also send out a >>> general message to thank anyone I may have missed >>> along the way. My >>> convention may not have gone the way I wanted it to >>> go, but it was exactly >>> what I needed for reasons I am not willing to share on >>> such a public email >>> list. >>> >>> Since the last time I checked the messages on this >>> list was before >>> convention, it is quite possible that someone may have >>> already said what >>> happened, or at least their version of the story. >>> However, I have already >>> shared my version of the story about a million times >>> by now, so if you are >>> curious as to what happened, you will just have to >>> wait for another time. >>> >>> The bottom line is that I am going to be just fine. >>>I >>> just wanted to show >>> my appreciation to those who may have helped me along >>> the way. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> Message-ID: >>>???? >>> >>> >>>>>om >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Yes. >>> Are you familiar with the beap baseball? >>> I just heard about it, on the DJD Invasion. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> What is a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >>> people to discuss >>> something >>> common? >>> Is that how a forum differs from a blog? >>> This would be a good idea if?I had several >>> people interested in a forum. >>> I'll see about it. I have a beep ball team and >>> that was one of the things >>> I >>> wanted to blog about. But yes if more people want >>> to post online, I'd >>> like >>> the idea of a forum. A blog would be more for my >>> writings, if I do it. >>> >>> I'll check those links out and I'm glad to know >>> they are accessible. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students >>> mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >>> sites >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Why not start an accessible forum, online, for >>> blind people? >>> I've found an accessible one. >>> V Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >>> captcha, (if they still >>> have >>> it.) >>> To see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >>> examples. >>> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >>> www.goodnewscafe.net. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I?m interested in starting a blog or maybe >>> more than one blog. >>> So what accessible sites are there??Do >>> bloggers generally write first >>> person stories, or about things they see that >>> are more objective? >>> Any of you have a blog??How often do >>> you update it??Is it possible to >>> upload photos to it to go along with your >>> story? Or maybe you need >>> sighted >>> help to post photos? >>> What about audio? What format do audio clips >>> need to be in? >>> Can you have more than one blog on the same >>> site? Can >>> you write as much as you want or is there a >>> word limit? >>> I enjoy writing and I?d like to share with >>> friends and family. I figured >>> blogging would be a neat way to write stories >>> about myself, life and my >>> opinions on things like books, technology, >>> and religion. >>> >>> What site can you write like a journal about >>> yourself? >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >>> get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>>62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>>hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 >>>62%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 (UTC) >>> From: Amy Sabo >> To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >>>, >>>????"OF BLIND STUDENTS, >>> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> Message-ID: >>>????< >>> >>> >>>1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. >>>ca.mail.comcast.net >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> hello all, >>> >>> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >>> problems with the latest >>> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >>> features on it to change >>> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >>>is >>> there a way in where i >>> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >>> for jfw that i can use? >>> >>> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> hugs, >>> amy >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list'" >>>????>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> Message-ID: >>> <**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila >>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >>> 젨쟠harset="us-ascii" >>> >>> The last thing I heard about AOL Instant Messenger >>> (AIM) was about 2 years >>> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant messaging (by >>> the way, it was the >>> FS >>> cast). Maybe they have updated the software and now >>>it >>> is inaccessible with >>> JAWS? I don't know...but, what version of JAWS are you >>> using? Which >>> operating system? Which version of aim? >>> Cheers,?Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org ] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Amy Sabo >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 PM >>> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF; OF BLIND >>> STUDENTS, COLORADO >>> ASSOCIATION >>> Subject: [nabs-l] aim problem >>> >>> hello all, >>> >>> i hope that you are all doing well. i'm having >>> problems with the latest >>> version of aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >>> features on it to change >>> the settings on it but, jfw won't let me do that. >>>is >>> there a way in where i >>> can access aim with jfw? are there speciall scripts >>> for jfw that i can use? >>> >>> thanks again and, i will talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> hugs, >>> amy >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber >>>t.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:05 -0500 >>> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] iPal for sale >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; >>> format=flowed >>> >>> >>> >>>Eye Pal for sale. $1299 >>>I can be contacted via email at mbrianwooten at gmail.com >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Brian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 13 >>> **************************************** >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for nabs-l: >>> >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >>>tia%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>>______________________________**_________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>account info >>>for nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>>sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>______________________________**_________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>account info for nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**anmolpbha >>>tia%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>>______________________________**_________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma >>>hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>______________________________**_________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu >>>sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 16 04:01:39 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 00:01:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention accomodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DDE4859476D4ABA9224E959E7654DA2@OwnerPC> Bridgit, Thanks. I was not sure how NFB handled that and I'm glad they speak with hotel staff about this. You're right most businesses have braille and raised print signs but older buildings do not because they were built before the ADA. So just because a convention of blind people is coming, doesn't mean they have braille signs. That's why I asked since its conceivable that accomodation isn't there. I've been in buildings without braille signage. There at George Mason university for instance. Another good accomodation is to mark the flat keys to your room, because not everyone can see the arrow; so I'm glad they address that too. Yes it’s a good idea to politely tell them that generally assistance isn't needed unless the person asks. After all, we are like other new guests and want to explore too. If I attend in 2013, I'll see the hotel and staff firsthand. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:19 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Convention accomodations Ashley, Not sure what accomodations were provided this year since I was not able to attend, but each year, the board sends a team prior to the convention to speak with, and work with, hotel staff as to the best way to help any convention guest. They also tour the hotel to decide if any other accomodations are necessary beyond the ones the hotel already has in place. Usually restaurants in the hotel are equipped with Braille and large print menus along with providing electronic copies, and the NFB produces these menus. They only provide the restaurants with so many, but it does not seem to be a huge problem. Most places of business today already have Braille and raised print names and numbers on doors. I've yet to see a hotel that did not have permanent Braille/raised print signs on all doors in the facility. However, during convention in Dallas last year, I noticed some of the Braille signs on the doors for the rooms where convention meetings were held, were misspelled or missing letters or the Braille was not correct. It wasn't so bad you couldn't figure out what it was suppose to be, but just the same... The NFB instructs that all convention guest registered are given room keys with some identifying mark (usually tape) so they know which way to hold the key to open their room door. Elevators, like rooms, already have Braille and raised numbers. The convention agenda also has a pretty detailed description of how that year's hotel is layed out for better navigation. It will explain the location of rooms to meeting spaces as well as restaurants and other amenities offered in the hotel complex. There are also people who volunteer to be marshalls who help direct. If you get lost, or are trying to find something, hotel staff or convention marshalls are always nearby to assist. If you're like me, I do not learn very quickly by simply reading; I have "do" too, to really learn, but at least the description helps me understand where key locations are. The staff is pretty much instructed to treat us like any other guest, and for the most part, they do. I had a couple of people in Dallas last year who were a little overly helpful, but nothing major, plus, southern hospitality and all. *smile* I think the general rule impressed upon staff is to leave us alone unless we ask, or obviously if someone is in danger, but that applies to any hotel guest. When checking out, you can ask the desk clerk to go through your bill to double check you will not be charged for something that shouldn't be on there. Last year the rooms had stocked mini bars. When you removed something from the fridge, it automatically was placed as a charge on your bill from sensors that recognized a bar code on each item taken out. We did not realize this and removed a bunch of stuff to place some medications in that needed to be kept cool. The next day the cleaning staff had removed all the items we left sitting out with the intention we would put them back in. We explained the situation at the front desk, where we learned of how the mini bars worked. We were assured the charges wouldn't be reflected on our bill, but when checking out, they were still on it. We were smart enough to request the clerk go through the bill otherwise we would have been charged a hefty sum. They really up the prices on mini bar products. A 24 ounce bottle of water was $3. That tells you how expensive this stuff was. Anyway, necessary measures are taken to ensure convention guest have a great experience. I, personally, have no complaints to speak of in terms of proper accomodations during convention. Bridgit Message: 9 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:21:35 -0400 From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: <1E3CAAACE7D941E991D236684CC6CB96 at OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Joseph, Good. Are you refering to the main hotel or the overflow hotel? Glad they had a nice balance of being helpful. That is always nice for crowd control and assisting people to go where they need to go efficiently. What accomodations did they provide if any, with NFB? I know NFB doesn't believe in making many modifications, but I figured they may do a little. Did they have braille numbers on doors? How about braille menus? Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From aaatlantic at aol.com Sat Jul 16 05:23:14 2011 From: aaatlantic at aol.com (Alexander Atlantic) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 01:23:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Symposium University at Buffalo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9045F15F-E344-4045-9EE1-677FE7BB97B5@aol.com> hey David, when is this going to take place or what date? On Jul 15, 2011, at 4:56 PM, David Dodge wrote: > Hello Everyone, > My name is David Dodge and I am an English major at the University at > Buffalo (UB) here in New York state. I have been blind since birth. I am > planning a disability symposium that will focus on the strengths, needs, and > possibilities for people with a variety of disabilities. > > I would really appreciate ANY help, suggestions, or advice you might have. > Please e-mail me at daviddod at buffalo.edu if you have any information to > contribute or you would like to come/present. The more people we have > working on this the better it will be! > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aaatlantic%40aol.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sat Jul 16 05:35:33 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 01:35:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Symposium University at Buffalo In-Reply-To: <9045F15F-E344-4045-9EE1-677FE7BB97B5@aol.com> References: <9045F15F-E344-4045-9EE1-677FE7BB97B5@aol.com> Message-ID: We are still narrowing down an exact date, which I will let everyone know as soon as we have it. It will definitely be during the spring semester. It will not take place from Monday, March 12 - Sunday, March 18, 2012 as UB is on spring break at that time. Thanks for the e-mail! David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Alexander Atlantic wrote: > hey David, > when is this going to take place or what date? > On Jul 15, 2011, at 4:56 PM, David Dodge wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > > My name is David Dodge and I am an English major at the University at > > Buffalo (UB) here in New York state. I have been blind since birth. I am > > planning a disability symposium that will focus on the strengths, needs, > and > > possibilities for people with a variety of disabilities. > > > > I would really appreciate ANY help, suggestions, or advice you might > have. > > Please e-mail me at daviddod at buffalo.edu if you have any information to > > contribute or you would like to come/present. The more people we have > > working on this the better it will be! > > > > David > > ---------------------------------- > > David Dodge > > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > > State University of New York Student Assembly > > English Major > > University at Buffalo > > 306 Clemens Hall > > Buffalo, NY 14260 > > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aaatlantic%40aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Sat Jul 16 07:26:00 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 00:26:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocational rehab In-Reply-To: <182D5891-2CE8-4D9E-AAF6-D910FC63214F@ymail.com> References: <182D5891-2CE8-4D9E-AAF6-D910FC63214F@ymail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110716002237.01dea950@earthlink.net> Hi, Josh, As to the nature of said problems which, seem to be prompting litigious feelings in you, you have yet to elaborate on, could you discribe, the problems? What's really goin' on to make you feel this way? for today, Carthinking I want to get legal help. Does anyone have any advice about this? Are there attorneys who specialize in this kind of thing? >Frustrated in Arkansas, > >Josh Crunkleton > > > > >Sent from my iPhone >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Jul 16 08:13:10 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 03:13:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocational rehab In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110716002237.01dea950@earthlink.net> References: <182D5891-2CE8-4D9E-AAF6-D910FC63214F@ymail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110716002237.01dea950@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Wow! Someone else, from Arkansas! Josh, please E-mail me off list. Blessings, Joshua On 7/16/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > > Hi, Josh, > > As to the nature of said problems which, > seem to be prompting litigious feelings in you, you have yet to > elaborate on, could you discribe, the problems? What's really goin' > on to make you feel this way? > for today, > Carthinking I want to get legal help. Does anyone have any advice > about this? Are there attorneys who specialize in this kind of thing? > >>Frustrated in Arkansas, >> >>Josh Crunkleton >> >> >> >> >>Sent from my iPhone >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jessandmarkgarrison at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 14:19:55 2011 From: jessandmarkgarrison at gmail.com (Jess and Mark Garrison) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:19:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (Welcome Jessica) In-Reply-To: <30406360CE1F4DF9B73ACF766DDDB810@AnjelinaPC> References: <30406360CE1F4DF9B73ACF766DDDB810@AnjelinaPC> Message-ID: Anjelina, Yes the name we've chosen is Ashlee May Garrison. I'm also on the blindparents list. The fall semester won't unfortunately starrt until mid September. I just missed the summer semester by about a week. Jessica On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Anjelina wrote: > Congratulations Jessica! > Have you picked out a name yet? If you have questions about being a blind > parent, the NFB blind parents list is a great place full of knowledgeable > parents. > After your daughter is born, will you take a break from classes? > Welcome to the list > -----Original Message----- From: Jess and Mark Garrison > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:01 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) > > Greetings all, > > My name Jessica Trask. I'm living in Claremont New Hampshire with my > fiancee > Mark Garrison . We'llexpecting our first child a little girl in mid > October > . I will be attending Granite State College in the fall where I'll be > studying Early Childhood Education, I'm vIsually impaired. Visual > Impairment caused by Albinism. > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > Anjelina > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > jessandmarkgarrison%40gmail.**com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 17:15:39 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:15:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Symposium University at Buffalo Message-ID: <4e21c751.c993dc0a.12d7.2451@mx.google.com> Hi David, You might want to check in with the Jernigan Institute, as they present a lot of symposiums and things of that nature. You could contact Mark Riccobono, executive director of the Institute at mriccobono at nfb.org. Hope this helps! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dodge Hi Josh, I would recommend Brown, Goldstein, and Levy, a law firm that has been representing the Federation for about twenty years. Here's their site: www.browngold.com. You could also check with the NFB and get advice from their legal people, like John Paré, Anil Lewis, Jesse Hartle, or Lauren McLarney. Here are their emails: John Paré: jpare at nfb.org. Anil Lewis: alewis at nfb.org. Lauren McLarney: lmclarney at nfb.org. Jesse Hartle: jhartle at nfb.org. Jesse is also on this list. By the way, what exactly is your issue (or issues) with your agency? Hope this helps! Good luck! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Crunkleton Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while driving? If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, and, if so, who? Nicole and my guide dog Lexia From valandkayla at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 19:02:08 2011 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:02:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for five years In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9544A2EF-3922-403C-8344-DF99B85A90C7@gmail.com> Just my thoughts, but all that soudns great: teh hotel rates and all, but you know the attractions help as well. :D so you have a better turn out. speaking for myself, if the convention is going to be in orlando for the next few years, not counting next year, i'm SOOOO there. Dont' get me wrong, convention is pretty cool and very informative, but yo just can't beat a day at the Harry Potter theme park and a mug of butterbeer to go along with it. in my oppinion, makes the trip well worth it. you get informative speeches and a day to be a kid again with some really cool staff at the universal/disney parks. Again just my thoughts. I'm sure the rest of you, including the serious minded, secretly agree with me. :P On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've seen a lot of comments about the national convention schedule for > the next few years so I thought I'd post what I've been told about the > decision. My husband is on our affiliate board, and we both have been > involved with our chapter, affiliate and some national groups, and we've > been privy to some information- if I'm wrong, I apologize; I'm merely > stating what little I've been told. > > Let me preface this by saying it takes a very long time to plan an event > of this magnitude. President Mauer and the convention committee spend > time locating facilities that will accommodate a convention such as this > as well as providing the best possible hotel rates they can negotiate. > > It takes at least a year to plan an event like convention, so they look > to book hotel/convention centers ASAP. It's difficult to plan without a > location. > > I've been told that the NFB was able to negotiate a deal with the > Rosenburg resort with the condition we would return for a certain period > of time, which ensures us decent rates and ensures business for the > resort. > > So convention will be in Orlando at the same resort for the next few > years because this is how the deal was negotiated. > >> From a business perspective, if a hotel provides us with discounted > rates (and in most cases, we have been given huge discounts over the > years considering the type of hotels usually booked for convention) it > would make sense a hotel would request a certain amount of business to > make up for the discounted rate. If you usually charge $190/night for a > room, and are offering it for $70/night, that is a huge cut you take. > So you want to accrue that business more than once so you can make a > little mula back from a particular guest. > > Most the facilities the NFB books for convention have expensive hotel > rates that members of the Federation are able to haggle and negotiate > down to the incredible rates we usually have. > > As to why it is Orlando- I'm not sure if the Rosenburg has offered the > best deal compared to hotels in other states, or if the locale is > amenable to most convention-goers, or if they feel this facility meets > our needs best- this is something I've not heard much about. > > I say wicked awesome, though, to having it in Orlando for a few years. > There is a lot to do tourist wise; the resort seems to provide enough > for attendees to do without ever leaving the resort complex; and > sometimes it's nice to have consistency. > > Anyway, contracts have been negotiated and signed (I assume if an > announcement has been made) so we will have to put up with Orlando for a > few years after next year. > > Bridgit P > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 19:02:05 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:02:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones Message-ID: <4e21e04f.8406440a.6eba.ffff81f8@mx.google.com> To answer your question, Nicole, no. I'm not bothered unles the driver's texting. Then again, the texting is bad. I'm not really into people who text while driving. It gets pretty bad when my friends talk to me on their cell phones while driving. I haven't had much of a problem with cab rivers talking on cell phones while driving. I've had lots of cab drivers, and they've always just let the company handle their jobs. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" References: <4e21cb08.10d2dc0a.72fc.24e1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7E2B8F3E-849B-4EEC-9A5D-84350FB42DEF@ymail.com> Having trouble getting my agency to pay out of state costs for me to attend LA Tech's O/M program. Because there is an AER program in Arkansas, thy are adhering to their in-state preference policy. However, the two programs are completely different and the program in Louisiana can only be found in Louisiana. Therefore, I'm challenging the policy. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Josh, > > I would recommend Brown, Goldstein, and Levy, a law firm that has been representing the Federation for about twenty years. Here's their site: www.browngold.com. You could also check with the NFB and get advice from their legal people, like John Paré, Anil Lewis, Jesse Hartle, or Lauren McLarney. Here are their emails: > > John Paré: jpare at nfb.org. > Anil Lewis: alewis at nfb.org. > Lauren McLarney: lmclarney at nfb.org. > Jesse Hartle: jhartle at nfb.org. > > Jesse is also on this list. By the way, what exactly is your issue (or issues) with your agency? Hope this helps! Good luck! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josh Crunkleton To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" Date sent: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:06:41 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Vocational rehab > > Hi. > > I'm having some issues with my vocational rehab agency and am thinking I want to get legal help. Does anyone have any advice about this? Are there attorneys who specialize in this kind of thing? > > Frustrated in Arkansas, > > Josh Crunkleton > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshuahcrunkleton%40ymail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 19:13:00 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:13:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocational rehab In-Reply-To: <7E2B8F3E-849B-4EEC-9A5D-84350FB42DEF@ymail.com> References: <4e21cb08.10d2dc0a.72fc.24e1@mx.google.com> <7E2B8F3E-849B-4EEC-9A5D-84350FB42DEF@ymail.com> Message-ID: Hi Josh, A lot of us have had similar difficulties. I am not sure if you can get rehab to pay the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition, but they should at least pay in-state tuition or provide whatever other services they would provide if you were staying in Arkansas (equipment, etc.) If you haven't already, I would advise asking Dr. Edward Bell, who runs the LATech program, to write a letter on your behalf. He himself attended school in Arkansas, and should be familiar with the policies there. You can reach him at ebell at latech.edu Dr. Bell helped me personally with getting my agency in AZ to pay for me to go to the Louisiana Center for the Blind, and his involvement made a big difference in moving my case forward. Good luck! Arielle On 7/16/11, Josh Crunkleton wrote: > Having trouble getting my agency to pay out of state costs for me to attend > LA Tech's O/M program. Because there is an AER program in Arkansas, thy are > adhering to their in-state preference policy. However, the two programs are > completely different and the program in Louisiana can only be found in > Louisiana. Therefore, I'm challenging the policy. > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > >> Hi Josh, >> >> I would recommend Brown, Goldstein, and Levy, a law firm that has been >> representing the Federation for about twenty years. Here's their site: >> www.browngold.com. You could also check with the NFB and get advice from >> their legal people, like John Paré, Anil Lewis, Jesse Hartle, or Lauren >> McLarney. Here are their emails: >> >> John Paré: jpare at nfb.org. >> Anil Lewis: alewis at nfb.org. >> Lauren McLarney: lmclarney at nfb.org. >> Jesse Hartle: jhartle at nfb.org. >> >> Jesse is also on this list. By the way, what exactly is your issue (or >> issues) with your agency? Hope this helps! Good luck! >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have >> the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn >> more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at >> I C.A.N. Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Josh Crunkleton > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" > Date sent: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:06:41 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Vocational rehab >> >> Hi. >> >> I'm having some issues with my vocational rehab agency and am thinking I >> want to get legal help. Does anyone have any advice about this? Are there >> attorneys who specialize in this kind of thing? >> >> Frustrated in Arkansas, >> >> Josh Crunkleton >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshuahcrunkleton%40ymail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 20:21:21 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:21:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com> Hi Nicole, When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was a little scared. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM To: NABS-L Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while driving? If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, and, if so, who? Nicole and my guide dog Lexia _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 20:36:21 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:36:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com> References: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make you feel a bit better. On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Hi Nicole, > When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell > phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was a > little scared. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM > To: NABS-L > Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for > transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do > you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while driving? > If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, and, > if so, who? > > Nicole and my guide dog Lexia > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 20:50:20 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:50:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years Message-ID: <4e21f9af.cac0dc0a.0d30.2690@mx.google.com> The=20Shingle=20Creek=20was=20the=20convention=20hotel=20and=20the=20Centre= =20the=20 overflow. =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20] =20On=20Behalf=20Of=20Chris=20Nusbaum =20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20July=2012,=202011=206:31=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Convention=20in=20Orlando=20for=205=20Years =20Humberto, =20I=20thought=202012=20would=20be=20in=20Dallas,=20as=20I=20heard=20from =20Dr.=20=20Maurer=20at =20this=20year's=20convention.=20=20Unless=20you=20mean=202018's=20would =20be=20in =20Orlando,=20making=20it=20six=20years. =20=20Chris =20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abi= lities =20motto) =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth =20in =20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20= How? 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=20=20thanks=20again=20and,=20i=20will=20talk=20to=20you=20all=20soon! =20=20hugs, =20=20amy =20=20______________________________**_________________ =20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org<4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu> Actually, no, it does not. I took a psychology class last winter quarter which included trying to multitask; studies have shown that talking on the cell phone, regardless of whether or not it is hands free, is more dangerous than driving drunk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most > of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the > cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction > is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make > you feel a bit better. > > On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> Hi Nicole, >> When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell >> phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was a >> little scared. >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM >> To: NABS-L >> Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >> >> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >> transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do >> you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while >> driving? >> If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, >> and, >> if so, who? >> >> Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 21:31:14 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:31:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] frustration with Humanware-- Any suggestions? Message-ID: <4e220339.8c01dc0a.030c.26da@mx.google.com> Hi Katie, I forwarded your email to the BrailleNote user list and I'll forward you any responses. Hope this helps! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang References: Message-ID: <9A13E24C894B4E0683131FC469E523E3@HumbertoAvila> I do have questions about this. In some states, they are already implying the law that requires people to not talk or text while driving. That being said, taxi drivers must, and with higher importance, be able to respect that law and if they break it, they can even lose their job. As to if they bother me or not, I don't think they bother me as much. But what if drivers are texting on their mobile phones while driving--that will be much worse in terms of safety because, A, they can get into accidents, and, B, the police can sneak out for them and C, we can't always hear their fingers! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:45 AM To: NABS-L Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while driving? If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, and, if so, who? Nicole and my guide dog Lexia _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 21:44:21 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:44:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Sub Minimum Wage Hearing Message-ID: <4e22064b.146cdc0a.47de.07d8@mx.google.com> ---- Original Message ------ From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jul 16 21:53:51 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:53:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocational rehab In-Reply-To: <182D5891-2CE8-4D9E-AAF6-D910FC63214F@ymail.com> References: <182D5891-2CE8-4D9E-AAF6-D910FC63214F@ymail.com> Message-ID: Probably the best place to ask is our list for blind lawyers, http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org to join. Dave At 04:06 PM 7/15/2011, you wrote: >Hi. > >I'm having some issues with my vocational rehab agency and am >thinking I want to get legal help. Does anyone have any advice about >this? Are there attorneys who specialize in this kind of thing? > >Frustrated in Arkansas, > >Josh Crunkleton > > From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jul 16 21:56:05 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:56:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years In-Reply-To: <8313B383334E424AB1AD5EEB78CC281F@OwnerPC> References: <4e1f13cd.810ddd0a.6b38.0553@mx.google.com> <8313B383334E424AB1AD5EEB78CC281F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Insane is a pretty strong word. I would guess people will get tired of it, although there is more to do in Orlando then most other places we might go. And ... we have guaranteed low rates for a number of years, which is presumably why it was done. Dave At 04:18 PM 7/15/2011, you wrote: >Jessica, Yes having it in the same place is >insane; but I guess to nogotiate low rates, they >did this. Oh well, it will give people an >opportunity to get to know the area and then >plan more things the following year. I don't >think NFB has ever stayed in a place for many >consecutive years before. But with the economy >as it is, we're lucky to have the rates they >get. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: >Jessica Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:46 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in >Orlando for 5 Years As much as I liked Orlando >having it there for 5 years is insane. From my >experience I stayed at both hotels and found >Rosen center much more helpful. Sent from my >iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:21 PM, David Dodge > wrote: > Personally, I >have never encountered a more helpful staff in >hotels than I > did in Orlando at Rosen. I have >stayed in literally dozens of hotels and > they >were by far the best so far. > > David > >---------------------------------- > David >Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions >Rep. > State University of New York Student >Assembly > English Major > University at >Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > 2011/7/14 Chris >Nusbaum > >> Probably >because they got a great deal from Rosen Hotels, >who I've heard >> has really supported NFB and >was a sponsor for their tenBroek Law >> >Symposium >> in May. I don't know though, just >a guess. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, >never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps >visually impaired youth in Maryland have >> >the >> ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >Click on this link to learn more >> and to >contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us >on Facebook at I >> >C.A.N. Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my >BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message >----- >> From: > To: >"National Association of Blind Students mailing >list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Wed, >13 Jul 2011 17:58:39 -0400 >> Subject: Re: >[nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> >Anmol, >> Odd, why on earth are they having it >in the same city for that long? That >> hasn't >happened before. >> Do you know if its in the >same hotel? >> Ashley >> >> -----Original >Message----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia >> Sent: >Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: National >Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for >5 Years >> >> It was me who sent that >message. 2013 to 2018 NFB conventions will >be >> held >> in Orlando. >> >> Anmol >> I >seldom think about my limitations, and they >never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a >touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, >like a >> breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen >Keller >> >> >> --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Humberto >Avila >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> From: Humberto Avila >> > > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando >for 5 Years >> To: "'National Association of >Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Date: Tuesday, July 12, >2011, 8:42 PM >> I didn't send that >message. >> >> >> >> -----Original >Message----- >> From: >nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> >[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] >> On Behalf Of >Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 >6:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind >Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> >Humberto, >> >> I thought 2012 would be in >Dallas, as I heard from >> Dr. Maurer at >> >this year's convention. Unless you mean 2018's >would >> be in >> Orlando, making it six >years. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never >a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> >motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps >visually impaired youth >> in >> Maryland have >the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? >> >Click >> on this link to learn more and to >contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like >us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> >Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my >BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message >----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia >> To: National >Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Date sent: Mon, 11 Jul >2011 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: Re: >[nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 Years >> >> >The convention will actually be in Orlando for >the next six >> >> years. >> >> >> >> --- On >Mon, 7/11/11, Rachael Vacanti >> wrote: >> >> From: >Rachael Vacanti > Subject: >Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for 5 >Years >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Monday, >July 11, 2011, 2:28 PM >> I agree with Chris and >Sherri.? >> I haven't seen the old schedule, but >that's >> beside the point.?I flew down Saturday >and didn't >> leave until the next >> >Saturday.?You think I'd have time for fun >> >right??Wrong.?I didn't get out >> of the hotel >once.?I meant to go places, like the >> beach, >Citywalk and Bubba >> Gump Shrimp, but I >couldn't get there.?Why?? >> Because there were >too many >> things to do at >convention.?Convention was awesome >> and I had >a great time, >> but I really wanted to go out >and explore Florida a bit >> more.?I looked >at >> the agenda and technically, the first 3 >days weren't >> "required".?General >> sessions >didn't start until Wendsday. >> >> One thing I >think might also help convention, is if they >> >announce the state >> cacus.?I missed mine cause >I had only heard about it >> once and I don't >think >> he even told me where it was.?The >states should get >> them sorted out before >> >convention and email their state this is when >and where >> it >> is.?I know that >> not >everything can be perfect at a thing like this, >but >> they did a very good >> job.?For my first >time, it was pretty good. >> >> Rachael >> >> On >Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, >> wrote: >> >> Send >nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> >????nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or >unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >> visit >> >????http://www.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > >> or, via email, send a message with subject >or body >> 'help' to >> >????nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can >reach the person managing the list at >> >????nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, >please edit your Subject line so it is >> more >specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l >digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> ì >¨?. [Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando >> for 5 >years (Chris Nusbaum) >> ì ¨?. Re: question >about brail to word >> program? (Chris >Nusbaum) >> ì ¨?. Re: [acb-l] polling place >access >> issues to this day in mi >> ???(Josh >Gregory) >> ì ¨?. Re: question about NLS >WebBraille >> (Katie Wang) >> ì ¨?. accessible >blog and journal sites >> >(bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> ì ¨?. Re: >accessible blog and journal >> sites (Joshua >Lester) >> ì ¨?. Re: accessible blog and >journal >> sites (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> >ì ¨?. Thanks for the Help at National >> >Convention (Elizabeth) >> ì ¨?. Re: accessible >blog and journal >> sites (Joshua Lester) >> >?10. aim problem (Amy Sabo) >> ?11. Re: aim >problem (Humberto Avila) >> ?12. iPal for sale >(David Andrews) >> >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------**------------------------------**----- > >> ----- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul >2011 13:00:41 -0400 >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: NABS list >, >> NFBMD list >, >> NFB >> ????history list >> Subject: [nabs-l] >[Blindtlk] Convention in Orlando for >> 5 >years >> Message-ID: >> ><4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.**ffffb86a at mx.google.com<4e19dac7.874de50a.44bf.ffffb86a at mx.google.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; >charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> >> >> >?---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Sherri" >> Subject: [Blindtlk] >Convention in Orlando for 5 years >> Date sent: >Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:59:44 -0400 >> >> It was >announced at the convention that conventions >> >from 2013 >> through 2017 >> will be held in >Orlando.?I wish we could extend >> the length >of >> the convention >> back to how it was and >NFB would >> organize tours for Wednesday >afternoon.?That >> way, people could >> get >excited >> about Orlando and have time to go >places.?I >> liked the old >> schedule much >> >better.?If we are going to keep people here >for >> five years in a >> row, we need >> to >give them ample opportunity to take advantage >of >> all there is >> to do in >> >Orlando.?Besides, I like the banquet the >night >> before the last >> day of >> >convention. >> >> >> Sherri Brun >> "Life is >what happens to you while you're busy making >> >other >> plans." John >> Lennon >> >> Check >out >> >http://www.**raceforindependence.org/goto/**Sherri.Brun > >> >> E-mail: flmom2006 at gmail.com >> ?NFBF >Newsline? chair >> www.nfbnewsline.org >> >Vice-president NFB Greater Orlando Chapter >> >http://nfbfgoc.org >> Secretary FDCP INC >> >www.fdcp.org >> Chair Orange County Disability >Advisory Committee >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> blindtlk mailing list >> >blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your >> account info >> for >blindtlk: >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/**dotkid > >> . >> nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >2 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:07:57 -0400 >> >From: Chris Nusbaum > >To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> ????list> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to >word >> program? >> Message-ID: >> ><4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.**ffffb9de at mx.google.com<4e19dc7c.4f76e50a.0805.ffffb9de at mx.google.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; >charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> You >could also join the BrailleNote list, where >users >> of the >> BrailleNote can talk about >tips and tricks regarding >> the BN and >> ask >questions when they're having technical >> >problems.?Here's the >> link: >> >www.list.humanware.com/**mailman/listinfo/braillenote > >> .? >> In >> the mean time, if you'd like, I >can post your question >> to the BN >> list and >forward you any responses off list.? >> Hope >this helps! >> >> ?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, >never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities >motto) >> >> The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps >visually impaired >> youth in >> Maryland have >the ability to confidently say "I can!" >> How? >Click >> on this link to learn more and to >contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like >us on Facebook at I >> C.A.N. >> >Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my >BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original Message >----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> > > >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list'" >> > Date >sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:54:22 -0700 >> Subject: >Re: [nabs-l] question about brail to word >> >program? >> >> Are you trying to convert the >Braille Note native >> format >> documents into >word >> documents.?If you want to do so, you >will have >> to use your >> Braille note to >> >do it because there is no program that will >translate >> and convert >> Keyword >> Braille >format (kwb) documents into Microsoft word >> >(.doc) >> documents, unless >> you want to >convert you .kwb files into .BRF files, >> and >then use >> a program >> in your PC to convert >.BRF files into .doc files--you >> will need >> >Duxbury >> Braille translator (which costs about >$900 for the >> license if you >> don't >> >already have it--you can although try it for >free but >> some >> functions will be >> >disabled) >> I hope this was helpful to >you.?Feel free to >> send another >> message off >list >> if you can and I will give you more >instructions--this >> is good >> practice for >> >me because I will be a teacher of the blind >teaching >> assistive >> technology. >> >Cheers,?Humberto >> >> -----Original >Message----- >> From: >nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> >[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] >> On Behalf >> Of >Andi >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:27 PM >> >To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list >> Subject: [nabs-l] question >about brail to word >> program? >> >> I am sure >this is a silly question but I have to >> ask.?I >use to >> use my brail >> >> note quite a bit >but now I use my laptop more, I was >> wondering >if >> there is a >> >> program to change the >files from the brail document to >> a word >> >document? >> Please keep in mind I am not very >tech savvy so the >> simpaler to >> use the >> >better, but I still want it to do a good >job.? >> thank you so much >> for your >> >help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >David Andrews >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 >1:47 PM >> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.**org > >> Subject: >[nabs-l] GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: >> >First Portable >> Camera >> Reading System to >Support Touchscreen >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE >RELEASE >> GW Micro Announces Readit Wand: First >Portable Camera >> Reading >> System >> to >Support Touchscreen >> for People with Low >Vision >> Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 8, 2011) - >GW Micro, >> Inc.?( >> www.gwmicro.com) >> and >VisionAid International Ltd ( >> >www.visionaid-international.**com > >> ) >> are proud to announce the Readit >Wand!?The >> Readit Wand is a >> portable >> >camera that >> connects to a computer to >instantly magnify and read >> documents >> >for >> the visually impaired. >> Easily read >mail, bills, bank statements, books, and >> more >with >> ease >> using the Readit >> >Wand.?Everything read with the Readit Wand >will >> be read in a >> clear, >> >human-sounding >> voice.?The ability to read all >of these items >> makes Readit Wand >> the >> >perfect tool >> for the classroom, at home, or >at work. >> The camera weighs just 1.1 pounds >and easily connects >> via USB. >> The >> >5-megapixel camera >> is highly accurate and >extremely fast, allowing for >> recognition >> >in as >> little as two >> seconds.?The stylish >and compact Readit Wand >> allows for >> >automatic >> multi-language >> switching when >other languages are installed.? >> The >portability >> and >> multiple language >> >support make it the ideal tool for students who >are >> learning a >> foreign language. >> Readit >Wand comes with exceptionally powerful >software >> that >> allows >> you to save, >load, >> import, and export documents, including >PDFs.? >> Importing PDF >> files >> into the >Readit >> software enables users to read PDF >files that >> originally are >> inaccessible >because >> they are displayed as >graphics.?Readit Wand also >> allows you to >> >save >> documents as >> a Word document, txt >file, rtf, or even save your >> document as >an >> MP3 >> file to listen >> to it on your >favorite MP3 player. >> The Readit Wand software >contains an easy to use, easy >> access >> >toolbar >> designed specifically >> for low >vision users.?The toolbar provides the >> >ability to adjust >> the >> size of the >> >clear, colorful icons, which give instant access >to >> all the basic >> controls enabling >> low >vision users to capture their document, change >the >> view to >> their >> preference and >> >more at the click of a button. >> Low vision >consumers will greatly benefit from the 3 >> >different >> types >> of highlights, >> as well >as six different ways to display text, >> >allowing low >> vision >> users to customize >> >the software to their personal preference. >> >When connected to a touchscreen monitor, the >Readit >> Wand is the >> first >> portable >camera >> to enable touchscreen support, >allowing low vision >> users the >> ability >> >to interact >> with the software by simply using >their fingers!? >> This means no >> more >> >tracking the >> cursor, which provides direct >interaction between the >> user and >> the >> >Readit software, >> creating the best possible >user experience. >> GW Micro is the exclusive >master distributor for the >> Readit Wand >> >in >> the U.S., developed >> and manufactured by >VisionAid International, located >> in the >> >UK.?Readit Wand will >> be available soon from >GW Micro and GW Micro dealers. >> For more >information on the Readit Wand, visit >> >www.gwmicro.com, >> email >> >sales at gwmicro.com >> , or call GW Micro at (260) >489-3671. >> GW Micro, Inc.?( >> >www.gwmicro.com) >> has been a trusted pioneer >in the adaptive technology >> industry >> since >1990, >> and >> continues to lead with >innovative, customer driven >> solutions. >> >VisionAid International, Ltd ( >> >www.visionaid-international.**com > >> ), >> established in 2002, is dedicated to >producing fast, >> effective >> and >> simple to >use >> devices for people who are partially >sighted and blind >> that make >> reading a >pleasure >> once again. >> >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your >> account info >> for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**adrianne > >> . >> dempsey%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your >> account info >> for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**avila.ber > >> t.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu > >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >3 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:18 -0400 >> >From: Josh Gregory > To: >National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> ????list> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place >access >> issues to this day >> ????in mi >> >Message-ID: >> ><4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.**ffffc150 at mx.google.com<4e19ed7d.907fe50a.6655.ffffc150 at mx.google.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; >charset=iso-8859-1; >> format=flowed >> >> >Hi, >> OK, my thoughts.?They are, at the moment, >each >> other's >> >competetors/enemies/whatever.?**So, at the >moment >> anyway, I doubt >> it. >> Best, >> >Josh >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email: >joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ?----- Original >Message ----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> To: National >Association of Blind Students mailing >> >list> Date sent: Sun, 10 Jul >2011 11:30:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >[acb-l] polling place access >> issues to >this >> day in mi >> >> I forwarded this because >since the NFB is working to >> ensure >> >accessible voting and was the driving force >behind the >> Help >> America Vote Act (HAVA.) >So, we might be able to work >> jointly >> with >ACB on this.?What does >> everyone think? >> >?Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of >vision!" (Camp >> Abilities motto) >> >> The I >C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually impaired >> >youth in >> Maryland have the ability to >confidently say "I can!" >> How? Click >> on >this link to learn more and to contribute: >> >www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook >at I >> C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent >from my BrailleNote >> >> ?----- Original >Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> > > >> To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list >> > Date >sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:02 -0500 >> Subject: >Re: [nabs-l] [acb-l] polling place access >> >issues to this >> day in mi >> >> Chris, why are >you forwarding stuff from the ACB? >> Blessings, >Joshua >> >> On 7/8/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> ?Thoughts >on this? >> >> ?Chris >> >> ?"A loss of sight, >never a loss of vision!" (Camp >> Abilities >> >motto) >> >> ?The I C.A.N.?Foundation helps >visually >> impaired youth in >> ?Maryland have >the ability to confidently say "I >> can!" How? >Click >> ?on this link to learn more and to >contribute: >> ?www.icanfoundation.info or like >us on Facebook >> at I C.A.N. >> >?Foundation. >> >> >> >> ?Sent from my >BrailleNote >> >> ?---- Original Message >------ >> ?From: "joe harcz Comcast" >> ?Subject: [acb-l] >polling place access issues to >> this day in >mi >> ?Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:05:31 >-0400 >> >> ?A Call to Action ? >> >> >?Unfinished Business to Ensure Michigan >Voters >> with Disabilities >> ?Have Access to >the Polls in 2012 >> >> ?A Public Report on >> >?Polling Place >> >> ?Accessibility in >Michigan >> >> ?Public Report by >> >> ?Michigan >Protection and Advocacy Service, Inc. >> >> >?2011 >> >> ?Acknowledgements >> >> ?Michigan >Protection and Advocacy Service (MPAS) >> is >Michigan? >> ?designated agency to advocate and >protect the >> legal rights of >> ?persons with >disabilities, mandated >> ?by federal and state >law.?MPAS receives >> funding from the >> >?Administration on Developmental >Disabilities, >> the center for >> ?Mental >Health Services ?Substance >> ?Abuse and Mental >Health Services Administration, >> the >> >?Rehabilitation Services Administration, the >> >Social Security >> ?Administration, the State of >Michigan >> ?and from private donations. >> >> >?Funding for this report has been made >possible >> through the U.S. >> ?Department of >Health and Human Services, >> Administration >for >> ?Children and Families, and the >> >?Administration on Developmental >> >Disabilities.?The contents are >> ?the sole >responsibility of the author and do not >> >necessarily >> ?represent the official views >> >?of the U.S.?Department of Health and Human >> >Services. >> >> ?2011 by Michigan Protection and >Advocacy >> Service, Inc.?This >> ?publication >may be reproduced in part or in its >> entirety >for >> ?noncommercial purposes as long >> ?as >appropriate credit is given. >> >> ?Table of >Contents >> >> ?Executive >> >> >> >> >> >Summary.......................**..............................**..... > >> ? >> >..............................**.....................5 > >> >> ?Midterm >> >> >> >> >> >Report........................**..............................**..... > >> ? >> >> >..............................**...........................6 > >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place >Accessibility >> >> >> >> >> >Project.......................**..............................**..... > >> ?.........7 >> >> ?Communicating >Accessibility Problems with >> Election >> ? >> >Officials.....................**.................10 > >> >> ?Next >> >> >> >> >> >Steps.........................**..............................**..... > >> ? >> >> >..............................**..............................**..11 > >> >> ?In >> >> >> >> >> >Summary.......................**..............................**..... > >> ? >> >> >..............................**..............................**..11 > >> >> ?Accessibility Rate Per >> >> >> >> >> >County........................**..............................**..... > >> ?.............................**...13 >> >> >?Executive Summary >> >> ?In Michigan, voters >with disabilities face >> obstacles at voting >> >?locations often because their polling place >> >lacks physical >> ?accessibility.?The Help >America >> ?Vote Act (HAVA) acknowledged the >unique >> obstacles faced by >> voters >> ?with >disabilities and authorized funding for the >> >federally >> ?mandated Protection and >Advocacy >> ?Voting Access programs (PAVA) to >help remove >> barriers. >> ?Unfortunately, this >vital mandate has been >> targeted for >> >?elimination in the President? proposed >> ?2012 >budget. >> >> ?HAVA charged Michigan Protection >and Advocacy >> Service, (MPAS), >> ?and other >Protection & Advocacy agencies >> with helping >to ensure >> ?the full participation of >> >?individuals with disabilities in the >electoral >> process, >> including >> >?registering to vote, casting a ballot, and >> >accessing polling >> ?places. >> >> ?The PAVA >program at MPAS is designed to ensure >> that >every >> ?eligible Michigan resident receives >equal access >> to their >> polling >> ?location >and has the opportunity >> ?to cast an >independent secret ballot.?MPAS >> staff members >are on >> ?the ground providing advice, >technical >> assistance, and training >> ?to >election officials about >> ?voting >accessibility across the spectrum of >> >disabilities.?The >> ?agency also provides >outreach and training to >> voters with >> >?disabilities, poll workers, and >> ?service >providers.?MPAS and the Secretary >> of State of >Michigan >> ?partnered over the past six years >working toward >> this goal, >> which >> ?has >been effective in >> ?increasing physical access >to polling locations >> throughout >> >?Michigan. >> >> ?Voting is a fundamental right >protected by the >> United States >> >?Constitution, upheld by the Supreme Court >and >> subject to intense >> ?public scrutiny >each election >> ?cycle.?Provisions within these >protections >> prohibit >> ?discrimination >against people with disabilities >> in the >electoral >> ?process.?Exercising their >Constitutional >> ?right, however, has continued >to be a challenge >> for individuals >> ?with >disabilities despite changes made to >> federal >and state laws >> ?intended to ensure full >> >?participation. >> >> ?Key Summary >> >> ???ì >¨ìž»isability advocates >> have visited 95% >(3,457) and >> ?reviewed the exterior of polling >locations in >> Michigan. >> >> ???ì ¨ìŸ­pon >initial review, >> Michigan Protection and >Advocacy >> ?Service found that only 75% of >3,457 Michigan >> polling places >> were >> >?compliant under the Americans >> ?with >Disabilities Act. >> >> ???ì ¨ìž¸fter working >with >> state and local officials, it is >> >?anticipated that Michigan? accessibility >rate >> will be increased >> ?to 90% in >2012. >> >> ???ì ¨ìŸf the locations that >> >were inaccessible, 60% had one >> ?barrier, 30% >had two types of barriers, and 6% >> had three >or more >> ?types of barriers. >> >> ???ì >¨ìŸnly six of the 84 >> counties in Michigan >were 100% >> ?physically accessible upon initial >visit. >> >> ???ì ¨ìŸ‹PAS continues to >> >receive complaints regarding the >> ?AutoMARK, >Michigan? accessible ballot marking >> >device. >> >> ?Michigan has made great strides >toward >> accessibility at the >> ?polls.?This >report will highlight the >> steps taken to >ensure >> that >> ?all polling locations >throughout >> ?Michigan are accessible to voters >with >> disabilities.?In >> ?addition, the >report will offer recommendations >> for >Michigan to >> ?achieve and maintain an >accessibility >> ?rate of 100%. >> >> ?2010 Mid >Term Report >> >> ?Acknowledging widespread >irregularity throughout >> the country, >> >?Congress passed the Help America Vote Act >(HAVA) >> in 2002.?HAVA >> ?included sweeping >legislation >> ?intended to modernize the >electoral system for >> all voters, >> >?including those with disabilities.?The >> Help >America Vote Act >> ?reinforced the application >of >> ?Title II of the Americans with >Disabilities Act >> and Section 504 >> ?of the >Rehabilitation Act.?Furthermore, in >> 2004, >Michigan >> ?lawmakers amended Michigan >election >> ?law (Public Act 92 of 2004) to >require the >> removal of physical >> ?barriers >at polling locations.? >> Irrespective of both >federal and >> ?state law, 25% of Michigan's >> >?voting locations continued to be >inaccessible >> for the November >> ?2010 >general election.?To achieve an >> >all-encompassing voting >> ?standard for the >fifty states, >> ?HAVA included two key >components for the >> disability >community: >> >> ???ì ¨ìž¸ll polling places >> >must have at least one voting system >> ?which >allows all citizens to cast a ballot >> >privately and >> ?independently, whether or not >one >> ?has a disability. >> >> ???ì ¨ìŸ”tates >must ensure >> accessibility at all public >polling >> ?places in a manner compliant with >the Americans >> with >> Disabilities >> ?Act >(ADA). >> >> ?Accessible Voting System >> >> ?In >2004, the disability community and the >> >Michigan Secretary of >> ?State? Bureau of >Elections (BOE) carefully >> assessing which >> >?accessible device would best >> ?fit the needs >of Michigan voters, and in 2006 >> selected >the >> ?AutoMARK.?The AutoMARK is an >accessible >> ballot marking device >> ?that can >be used by all voters >> ?with or without >disabilities. >> >> ?Although every polling >location is equipped with >> the AutoMARK, >> >?each municipality is responsible for making >sure >> it is set up >> and >> ?operating >properly.?Unfortunately, >> ?MPAS continues to >receive complaints about the >> >AutoMARK.?Voter >> ?complaints have included the >following:? >> the AutoMARK was boxed >> ?up on >Election Day, unplugged, >> ?jammed up, turned >off, or set up so other voters >> could see >the >> ??ecret?ballot.?Complaints concerning >> >jammed ballots have been >> ?greatly reduced >since the >> ?last round of updates were >completed.? >> Because the AutoMARK is >> ?used >only on Election Day, MPAS relies on voter >> >feedback to >> ?correct these kinds of >problems. >> ?MPAS continues to monitor and >respond to >> complaints as they >> >?arise. >> >> ?Accessible Polling Places >> >> >?Under HAVA, the federal government allocated >> >money to assist >> with >> ?the purchase of >accessible equipment like the >> AutoMARK, but >also >> ?to help municipalities >> ?make their >polling places physically >> >accessible.?Congress >> ?recognized that in >order for people to use the >> accessible >voting >> ?machines, the building must >> ?also >be accessible so voters can access the >> >polling location and >> ?voting equipment.?It is >the local election >> officials? >> >?responsibility to make sure all >> ?polling >locations are accessible on Election >> Day.?To >help cover >> ?the expense for removing barriers >at polling >> locations, the >> ?Michigan BOE >administers a >> ?grant program called Access >for All, under the >> U.S.?Department >> ?of >Health and Human Services with funding >> >allocated through >> HAVA, >> ?to help the state >comply >> ?with HAVA.?In most circumstances, >the >> Access for All grants >> ?cover all costs >associated with accessibility >> upgrades for >> >?polling locations. >> >> ?When Michigan? State >Plan to implement >> provisions under HAVA >> >was >> ?initiated in 2004, municipal clerks >were >> required to complete an >> >?accessibility checklist >> ?to determine >whether or not their locations were >> >accessible. >> ?This was one of the state? first >attempts to >> gather information >> ?on >Michigan? polling place >> >?accessibility.?During this time, MPAS and >> >other organizations >> ?were working closely >with individual election >> officials on >> >?polling location reviews and >> ?were also >training the municipal clerks on the >> >accessibility >> ?requirements.?MPAS also spent >a >> considerable amount of time >> ?assisting >clerks with assessing >> ?the accessibility of >their polling locations and >> helping them >> >?apply for Access for All grant money.?MPAS >> >found that the >> ?accessibility data provided >by >> ?clerks was not, in certain instances, >wholly >> reliable. >> >> ?MPAS brought this to >the Bureau of Election? >> (BOE) attention >> >and >> ?shared independent accessibility reviews >with >> them.?The BOE has >> ?since increased >efforts >> ?to ensure the accuracy of reporting >by improving >> communication >> ?and requiring >additional documentation from the >> >clerks. >> >> ?In 2008, MPAS started to assess >municipal >> polling locations >> ?randomly, >without notifying the election >> official in >advance. >> ?After compiling this data on >> >?polling locations statewide, the systemic >issue >> of >> ?inaccessibility became a >heightened >> concern.?Once these >> concerns >> >?were communicated to the Bureau of >> >?Elections, they backed a new initiative in >2010 >> dramatically >> ?increasing their >involvement in the advancement >> of polling >place >> ?accessibility. >> >> ?This same year, >the federal government began >> reviewing how >the >> ?states were spending HAVA funds.?This >> >fueled speculation that >> ?the federal >government would >> ?eliminate the monies >available under HAVA, since >> some states >had >> ?not spent their money, rather placing it >in an >> account and >> ?allowing the funds to >gain >> ?interest.?Concerned that Congress >would >> pull the allocated >> funds >> >?completely, which would prevent >municipalities >> from accessing >> ?money to >make polling places >> ?accessible, MPAS, along >with the Michigan Bureau >> of Elections, >> >?embarked on a project to ensure 100% >> >accessibility at all >> ?Michigan polling >places. >> >> ?Michigan? Polling Place >Accessibility Project >> >> ?In 2010, Michigan >started building the framework >> of a >statewide >> ?plan to reach 100% polling >place >> accessibility.?MPAS and the >> ?Bureau >of Elections strengthened >> ?their partnership >in order to achieve this >> goal.?Within this >> >?plan, MPAS would review the exterior of all >> >locations throughout >> ?the state.?Michigan >has >> ?approximately 3,600 polling places in >> >total.?MPAS had already >> ?gathered information >on 530 polling places prior >> to 2010, >> >?therefore, did not revisit those >> ?locations >(some were initially accessible and >> others >MPAS worked >> ?closely with clerks to >improve >> accessibility.?MPAS is still >> >?working with clerks to bring >> ?the remaining >57 of the 530 polling locations >> into >compliance). >> ?MPAS was able to visit the >remaining 2,927 >> polling locations in >> >?2010. >> >> ?Overall, MPAS conducted on-site >reviews of at >> least 95% of the >> ?polling >places in Michigan. >> >> ?The on-site reviews >conducted in 2010, exposed >> nearly 25% of >the >> ?polling places that remained >physically >> inaccessible as required >> ?by >the Americans with >> ?Disabilities >Accessibility Guidelines. >> >> ?Of the 3,457 >polling locations noted above, >> 2,927 were >assessed >> ?between May-August 2010.?Using the >ADAAG >> as a benchmark to >> ?determine >physical accessibility, >> ?over 800 polling >locations within the 2,927 >> locations >visited, >> ?had physical barriers failing to >comply with the >> ADAAG ? >> barriers >> ?that >create potential >> ?difficulties to voters with >disabilities on >> Election Day. >> >> ?Barriers >can prevent people with disabilities >> from >fully >> ?participating in all aspects of >society because >> of their >> ?disability.?This >might include >> architectural >> ?barriers, >physical barriers, communication >> barriers, >attitudinal >> ?barriers, cultural barriers, >etc.? >> Throughout this project, >> MPAS? >> >?reviews focused primarily >> ?on physical and >external barriers, which are >> defined as >> >something >> ?material that blocks >passage.?Physical >> barriers addressed in >> >?this report include objects >> ?in the >environment such as inaccessible doors or >> >doorways, >> ?inaccessible elevators or lack >thereof, >> inaccessible door >> ?hardware, >inaccessible parking, etc. >> >> ?Among the >2,927 polling locations visited in >> 2010, 28% >did not >> ?meet accessibility standards.?Based >on >> discussions with the BOE >> ?in 2008, when >MPAS completed >> ?the unannounced visits, >clerks were not only >> notified with a >> >?letter from MPAS concerning accessibility, >but >> they were also >> ?notified by the Bureau >of Elections. >> ?MPAS and the BOE required >prompt reply about the >> municipalities >> >?plans to meet ADA requirements.?The >> letters >contained a >> ?photograph of the problem >area(s), >> ?along with the appropriate ADAAG >citation.? >> Within a five month >> ?period, >letters were sent to over 440 >> municipalities >concerning >> ?approximately 800 polling >> >?locations. >> >> ?As shown below, 28% of the >polling places >> visited in 2010 had >> ?some >type of physical barrier present at the >> time >of review. >> >> ?The following chart highlights >the most common >> number of >> physical >> >?barriers discovered at each location. >> >> ?A >majority of the locations reviewed had only >> >one physical >> ?barrier present.?While the >largest and >> most frequent problem >> was >> >?related to parking, the types >> ?of barriers >at each location varied as shown in >> the >following >> ?chart. >> >> ?Text Box: Parking >Signs: locations that had >> accessible >parking >> ?but no signs posted?Parking:? >> >locations that had no parking >> ?designated or >noncompliant access >> ?aisles?Pathway:?barriers >that >> existed between access aisles >> and >> >?entryway?Entrance:?problems such as >> door >width, door >> ?thresholds, door hardware, >vestibules, >> ?etc.?Ramps/Curbs: problems with >curb cuts, >> ramps, handrails, >> ?thresholds >greater than 1 inch, etc. >> >> ?Communicating >Accessibility Problems with >> Election >Officials >> >> ?After completing the on-site >reviews, MPAS >> notified municipal >> ?clerks >of locations where barriers were >> >discovered.?Within a >> ?four-month period, over >440 >> ?letters were sent to election >officials.? >> By the end of 2010, >> 88% >> ?of >those clerks responded back to MPAS with a >> >plan of >> correction. >> ?In addition, MPAS >> >?provided technical assistance to the >election >> officials on how >> to >> ?improve >access to their polling location in >> order to >come into >> ?compliance.ì ¨ìž¹ased on >> ?the >responses received from clerks, 43% informed >> >us they were >> ?would make the changes >required; 31% corrected >> the barriers at >> >?the polling locations; 9% >> ?were going to >apply for Access for All grant; >> and the >remaining >> ?responses varied from clerk using >temporary >> equipment. >> >> ?When a clerk >informed MAPS that the work was >> completed, >MPAS >> ?required documentation from each clerk >proving >> or stating that >> ?the work had been >completed, >> ?including photographs and/or >copies of purchase >> orders.?A >> ?majority of >the clerks responded either with a >> plan of >> >correction >> ?for spring 2011 or with a >> >?statement that the work was completed.? >> MPAS >is still waiting >> for >> ?some clerks to >confirm that the work was done >> >sufficiently. >> Once >> ?the removal of >barriers >> ?at these locations has been >verified, MPAS >> expects Michigan? >> ?polling >place accessibility rate to rise to >> nearly 90 >% ?-- >> ?one of the highest in the nation. >> >?There remains, however, substantial work to >be >> completed in the >> ?city of Detroit in >order to reach this >> goal.?The remaining >12% >> ?of clerks, who did not respond >> ?to >MPAS or the Bureau of Election with a plan of >> >correction, >> will >> ?become a 2011 priority >in order to attain 100% >> accessibility. >> >> >?NEXT STEPS >> >> ?While the focus of this >report has been on >> reaching the 90% >> >?accessibility rate, there would still be >> >approximately 10% of >> ?polling locations in >Michigan >> ?that are not accessible to all >voters.? >> Some clerks disagree >> with >> ?the >findings and MPAS is working with those >> >clerks. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will be re-visiting >a number of >> polling locations >> ?that are >still recorded as being inaccessible, >> >breaking them >> into >> ?three categories: >failure >> ?to communicate; work promised but >documentation >> still needed; >> and >> >?locations requiring review by MPAS. >> >> ?MPAS >will focus attention on election officials >> >who have failed >> ?to respond to MPAS >communication attempts.? >> This may involve >> >?revisiting the location (some >> ?clerks >correct the problem even when they fail >> to >respond), >> ?attending city council/township >meetings, filing >> official HAVA >> >?complaints, and/or pursuing >> ?legal action >under different funding >> sources.?MPAS?goal >has >> ?always been to educate clerks and assist >them >> with improving >> ?access first by >proposing solutions >> ?to removing >barriers. >> >> ?In 2011, MPAS will also direct >its attention to >> monitoring the >> >?correction plans that election officials >have >> submitted to >> ensure >> ?that barriers >are removed. >> ?MPAS will review the remaining >150 polling >> locations that have >> ?not been >visited yet. >> >> ?In Summary >> >> ?Throughout >the 2010 project, the partnership >> between >MPAS and >> the >> ?Michigan Bureau of Elections >(BOE) was >> crucial.?The state >> ?reinforced >the necessity of >> ?accessible elections.?They >followed up >> with each municipality >> ?whose >polling place was noted as being >> inaccessible >in order to >> ?determine the jurisdiction's >> >?planned course of action.?In addition, the >> >BOE coordinated and >> ?extended Michigan's >polling place improvement >> grant well into >> >the >> ?fall to assist municipalities >> ?in >removing barriers to voting at no cost. >> >> >?Local election officials can either upgrade >> >their polling places >> ?(with or without grant >funds), or relocate the >> polling place to >> >?an accessible site.?The >> ?Bureau of Elections >reports that due to the 2010 >> project, they >> >?have seen a large increase in the number of >> >municipalities >> ?applying for grant >money.?In >> ?an effort to assist with the >project, the BOE >> extended the >> ?typical >grant cycle by two months, giving clerks >> >additional >> ?opportunity to respond to >MPAS? >> ?letter and correct the problem(s) by >using grant >> funds.?The >> ?Michigan Bureau of >Elections received 74 grant >> applications, >the >> ?largest amount ever received >> ?in one >grant cycle.?Of those 74 grant >> applications, >66 >> ?applicants received letters from MPAS >seeking a >> plan of >> ?correction - 89% of >those who applied. >> ?A large number of >municipalities have pledged to >> apply when >the >> ?next grant period opens in early >2011. >> >> ?If the HAVA/PAVA program survives >the President? >> proposed >> budget >> ?cuts, >MPAS looks forward to continuing the >> >partnership with the >> ?Secretary of State, >ensuring >> ?all elections are accessible to >all >> voters.?Additionally, MPAS >> ?encourages >clerks to reach out to local >> disability >groups for >> ?future trainings.?Listed >> >?below are additional recommendations moving >> >forward. >> >> ?Summary/Recommendations: >> >> >???ì ¨ìŸŠocal clerks must be >> required to >notify the Bureau of >> ?Elections prior to >relocating polling places. >> >> ???ì >¨ìž¸ccessibility checks >> should be completed >when clerks >> ?change polling locations, to >verify >> accessibility.?Reports >> (with >> >?photographs) should be submitted >> ?to the >Bureau of Elections. >> >> ???ì ¨ìŸew polling >locations >> must be required to adhere to >the >> ?Americans with Disabilities Act >Accessibility >> Guidelines. >> >> ???ì ¨ìŸ•he >advisory committee >> in charge of amending the >State >> ?Plan (under HAVA) should re-convene >and identify >> ways to hold >> ?clerks >accountable and implement >> ?model oversight >programs. >> >> ???ì ¨ìž¸ccess for All grant >> >money should be available >> throughout >> ?the >year, so accessibility problems can be >> >addressed anytime >> they >> ?arise. >> >> ???ì >¨ìŸ•he Bureau of >> Elections and local clerks >should continue >> ?working with disability >advocacy organizations >> to complete >> >?year-round polling place accessibility >> >?audits and training to clerks. >> >> >?Accessibility Rate by County >> >> ?Table with >9 columns and 85 rows >> >> ?County >> >> >?Polling Locations >> >> ?Visited >> >> >?Accessible >> >> ?Barriers Discovered >> >> >?Percent Visited >> >> ?% Accessible of those >Visited >> >> ?Now Complete >> >> ?% Now >Accessible >> >> ?Alcona >> >> ?12 >> >> >?12 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?67% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Alger >> >> >?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?5 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?Allegan >> >> ?37 >> >> ?37 >> >> ?35 >> >> >?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?95% >> >> ?1 >> >> >?97% >> >> ?Alpena >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> >?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> >?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Antrim >> >> ?15 >> >> >?15 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Arenac >> >> >?14 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?4 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> >?Baraga >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?1 >> >> >?5 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?17% >> >> ?1 >> >> >?33% >> >> ?Barry >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> >?18 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> >?1 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?Bay >> >> ?49 >> >> >?48 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?98% >> >> >?75% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?Benzie >> >> >?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?7 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?46% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?77% >> >> >?Berrien >> >> ?57 >> >> ?57 >> >> ?43 >> >> >?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?8 >> >> >?89% >> >> ?Branch >> >> ?18 >> >> ?17 >> >> >?9 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?6 >> >> >?88% >> >> ?Calhoun >> >> ?46 >> >> ?43 >> >> >?34 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?79% >> >> >?3 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Cass >> >> ?19 >> >> >?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?63% >> >> ?6 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Charlevoix >> >> >?18 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> >?89% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> >?Cheboygan >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> >?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?5 >> >> >?95% >> >> ?Chippewa >> >> ?19 >> >> ?18 >> >> >?13 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?72% >> >> >?4 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clare >> >> ?19 >> >> >?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?84% >> >> >?81% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Clinton >> >> >?28 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?2 >> >> >?93% >> >> ?92% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?96% >> >> >?Crawford >> >> ?7 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?6 >> >> >?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?86% >> >> ?0 >> >> >?86% >> >> ?Delta >> >> ?21 >> >> ?20 >> >> >?11 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?55% >> >> >?1 >> >> ?60% >> >> ?Dickinson >> >> ?15 >> >> >?15 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?40% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?73% >> >> ?Eaton >> >> >?36 >> >> ?36 >> >> ?28 >> >> ?8 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?83% >> >> >?Emmet >> >> ?19 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?12 >> >> >?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?5 >> >> >?89% >> >> ?Genesee >> >> ?119 >> >> ?109 >> >> >?84 >> >> ?25 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?77% >> >> >?2 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Gladwin >> >> ?17 >> >> >?17 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?65% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?Gogebic >> >> >?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> >?Grand Traverse >> >> ?28 >> >> ?27 >> >> >?27 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?100% >> >> >?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Gratiot >> >> ?23 >> >> >?23 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?70% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?78% >> >> ?Hillsdale >> >> >?21 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?9 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?57% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?71% >> >> >?Houghton >> >> ?31 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?9 >> >> >?13 >> >> ?71% >> >> ?41% >> >> ?5 >> >> >?64% >> >> ?Huron >> >> ?30 >> >> ?29 >> >> >?18 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?97% >> >> ?62% >> >> >?5 >> >> ?79% >> >> ?Ingham >> >> ?95 >> >> >?81 >> >> ?78 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?85% >> >> >?96% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?Ionia >> >> >?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?5 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?82% >> >> >?Iosco >> >> ?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?14 >> >> >?1 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?93% >> >> ?1 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?Iron >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> >?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?50% >> >> >?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> ?Isabella >> >> ?25 >> >> >?25 >> >> ?19 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?76% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?80% >> >> ?Jackson >> >> >?47 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?34 >> >> ?11 >> >> >?96% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?80% >> >> >?Kalamazoo >> >> ?97 >> >> ?97 >> >> ?79 >> >> >?18 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?81% >> >> ?7 >> >> >?89% >> >> ?Kalkaska >> >> ?12 >> >> ?12 >> >> >?8 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> >?1 >> >> ?75% >> >> ?Kent >> >> ?209 >> >> >?207 >> >> ?174 >> >> ?33 >> >> ?99% >> >> >?84% >> >> ?11 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Keweenaw >> >> >?5 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?80% >> >> >?100% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Lake >> >> >?15 >> >> ?15 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?7 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?53% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?67% >> >> >?Lapeer >> >> ?24 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?20 >> >> >?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?83% >> >> ?2 >> >> >?92% >> >> ?Leelanau >> >> ?13 >> >> ?13 >> >> >?8 >> >> ?5 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?62% >> >> >?1 >> >> ?69% >> >> ?Lenawee >> >> ?30 >> >> >?30 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?77% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Livingston >> >> >?48 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?35 >> >> ?10 >> >> >?94% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?78% >> >> >?Luce >> >> ?4 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?1 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?75% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?75% >> >> >?Mackinac >> >> ?13 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?5 >> >> >?5 >> >> ?77% >> >> ?50% >> >> ?1 >> >> >?60% >> >> ?Macomb >> >> ?235 >> >> ?233 >> >> >?188 >> >> ?45 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?81% >> >> >?17 >> >> ?88% >> >> ?Manistee >> >> ?15 >> >> >?15 >> >> ?11 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?73% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?93% >> >> ?Marquette >> >> >?29 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?13 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?55% >> >> ?1 >> >> ?59% >> >> >?Mason >> >> ?23 >> >> ?23 >> >> ?15 >> >> >?8 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?65% >> >> ?3 >> >> >?78% >> >> ?Mecosta >> >> ?22 >> >> ?22 >> >> >?18 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> >?1 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?Menominee >> >> ?16 >> >> >?14 >> >> ?8 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?88% >> >> >?57% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?57% >> >> ?Midland >> >> >?38 >> >> ?29 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?7 >> >> >?76% >> >> ?76% >> >> ?4 >> >> ?90% >> >> >?Missaukee >> >> ?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?14 >> >> >?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?82% >> >> ?3 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?Monroe >> >> ?42 >> >> ?36 >> >> >?27 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?86% >> >> ?75% >> >> >?5 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Montcalm >> >> ?26 >> >> >?25 >> >> ?21 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?96% >> >> >?84% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?92% >> >> >?Montmorency >> >> ?9 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?7 >> >> >?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?1 >> >> >?89% >> >> ?Muskegon >> >> ?72 >> >> ?71 >> >> >?68 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?96% >> >> >?2 >> >> ?99% >> >> ?Newaygo >> >> ?28 >> >> >?28 >> >> ?22 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?79% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?89% >> >> ?Oakland >> >> >?410 >> >> ?380 >> >> ?292 >> >> ?88 >> >> >?93% >> >> ?77% >> >> ?46 >> >> ?89% >> >> >?Oceana >> >> ?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?12 >> >> >?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?0 >> >> >?67% >> >> ?Ogemaw >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> >?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> >?5 >> >> ?94% >> >> ?Ontonagon >> >> ?14 >> >> >?10 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?7 >> >> ?71% >> >> >?30% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?30% >> >> ?Osceola >> >> >?18 >> >> ?18 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?4 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?78% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?89% >> >> >?Oscoda >> >> ?6 >> >> ?6 >> >> ?4 >> >> >?2 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?1 >> >> >?83% >> >> ?Otsego >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> >?7 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> >?2 >> >> ?90% >> >> ?Ottawa >> >> ?88 >> >> >?88 >> >> ?79 >> >> ?9 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?90% >> >> ?5 >> >> ?95% >> >> ?Presque >Isle >> >> ?16 >> >> ?16 >> >> ?10 >> >> >?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?3 >> >> >?81% >> >> ?Roscommon >> >> ?11 >> >> ?11 >> >> >?11 >> >> ?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?100% >> >> >?0 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?Saginaw >> >> ?75 >> >> >?75 >> >> ?61 >> >> ?14 >> >> ?100% >> >> >?81% >> >> ?8 >> >> ?92% >> >> ?Sanilac >> >> >?30 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?26 >> >> ?4 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?87% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?97% >> >> >?Schoolcraft >> >> ?10 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?6 >> >> >?4 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?60% >> >> ?2 >> >> >?80% >> >> ?Shiawassee >> >> ?27 >> >> ?27 >> >> >?17 >> >> ?10 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?63% >> >> >?3 >> >> ?74% >> >> ?St.?Clair >> >> ?52 >> >> >?48 >> >> ?44 >> >> ?4 >> >> ?92% >> >> >?92% >> >> ?3 >> >> ?98% >> >> ?St.?Joseph >> >> >?17 >> >> ?17 >> >> ?12 >> >> ?5 >> >> >?100% >> >> ?71% >> >> ?2 >> >> ?82% >> >> >?Tuscola >> >> ?25 >> >> ?24 >> >> ?16 >> >> >?8 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?67% >> >> ?2 >> >> >?75% >> >> ?Van Buren >> >> ?23 >> >> ?22 >> >> >?19 >> >> ?3 >> >> ?96% >> >> ?86% >> >> >?1 >> >> ?91% >> >> ?Washtenaw >> >> ?106 >> >> >?100 >> >> ?70 >> >> ?30 >> >> ?94% >> >> >?70% >> >> ?0 >> >> ?70% >> >> ?Wayne >> >> >?568 >> >> ?519 >> >> ?325 >> >> ?194 >> >> >?91% >> >> ?63% >> >> ?28 >> >> ?68% >> >> >?Wexford >> >> ?20 >> >> ?20 >> >> ?14 >> >> >?6 >> >> ?100% >> >> ?70% >> >> ?1 >> >> >?75% >> >> ?Total >> >> ?3635 >> >> ?3457 >> >> >?2579 >> >> ?878 >> >> ?95.10% >> >> >?74.60% >> >> ?289 >> >> ?83% >> >> ?table >end >> >> >> >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your >> account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu > >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >4 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:01:14 -0400 >> >From: Katie Wang > To: >National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list >> ????> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about NLS >WebBraille >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > >> om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ?Chris, there is no >Download button on Web >> Braille. Instead, >when you >> are taken to the book itself, just >press Space with s >> on your Braille >> Note >and you will be prompted for where you would >like >> to save the >> file and what you would >like to name it. NLS saves >> each braille >volume >> of a book in a separate file, so you >will have to do >> this multiple >> times if you >are dealing with a book that is in more >> than >one volume. >> I have been a Web Braille user >for many years and find >> it a great >> >resource, although I have come to rely on >Bookshare >> more in the past >> few years for >pleasure reading since it has a much >> larger, >more >> current collection. >> ?Lea, I don't >think you are doing anything wrong >> on your >end-- It >> might be a NLS database issue. I >would suggest >> contacting your state >> NLS >library again and see if they can get you >> >some?sort of technical >> support contact >info. Someone from the central >> program >> >that >> administers the Web Braille service >might need to look >> into your >> situation. >> >?Hope this helps! >> ì ¨ìŸ‡atie >> >> >> On >7/10/11, Lea williams >> wrote: >> I tried to >sing up with this sight and when I log >> in it >says my user >> name and password is wrong. I >have called and >> gotten it changed three >> >times and it still says it. wonder what I am >> >doing wrong. >> >> On 7/9/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> Hi >all, >> >> I have a question for all you NLS Web >Braille >> users! I recently >> registered for >WebBraille, and am looking >> forward to all it >has >> to offer.?But I do have this question: >> >when I click on a link >> for a book, where can >I find a link, button, >> or something where >I >> can download the BRF file(s) onto my >> >BrailleNote? I tried to >> download Walking >Alone and Marching Together >> last night, and >when >> I clicked on the link, it put me into >the >> actual book to read >> online, but I >wanted to download the book to >> read it in >my >> BrailleNote's book reader at a later >> >date.?How can I do this? >> Thanks! >> >> >Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of >vision!" >> (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I >C.A.N.?Foundation helps visually >> impaired >youth in >> Maryland have the ability to >confidently say >> "I can!" How? Click >> on >this link to learn more and to >> contribute: >> >www.icanfoundation.info or like us on >> >Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> Sent >from my BrailleNote >> >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options >or >> get your account info for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**leanicole > >> 1988%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Lea >Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> >Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> >http://www.facebook.com/#!/**profile.php?id=100001775297080 > >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get >> your account info for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bunnykati > >> e6%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >5 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:46:14 -0400 >> >From: > To: >"National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list" >> ????> >Subject: [nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >sites >> Message-ID: >> ><**B4037C3F7D6A496095F21D0D96442B**CF at OwnerPC >> >Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> ì ¨ìŸ >harset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I?m >interested in starting a blog or maybe more >than >> one blog. >> So what accessible sites >are there??Do bloggers >> generally write >first >> person stories, or about things they >see that are more >> objective? >> Any of you >have a blog??How often do you update >> it??Is >it possible to >> upload photos to it to go >along with your story? Or >> maybe you need >sighted >> help to post photos? >> What about >audio? What format do audio clips need to >> be >in? >> Can you have more than one blog on the >same site? Can >> you write as much as you want >or is there a word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing >and I?d like to share with friends and >> >family. I figured >> blogging would be a neat >way to write stories about >> myself, life and >my >> opinions on things like books, technology, >and >> religion. >> >> What site can you write >like a journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> >Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:50:08 -0500 >> >From: Joshua Lester >> > > >> To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list >> ????> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and >journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> > >> om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >charset=windows-1252 >> >> Ashley: >> Why not >start an accessible forum, online, for blind >> >people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V >Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> >captcha, (if they still have >> it.) >> To see 2 >forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> >examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, >and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, >Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, >bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> Hi >all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or >maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what >accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers >generally write first >> person stories, or >about things they see that are >> more >objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often >do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload >photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or >maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post >photos? >> What about audio? What format do >audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have >more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> >you write as much as you want or is there a >word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like >to share with >> friends and family. I >figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write >stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions >on things like books, technology, and >> >religion. >> >> What site can you write like a >journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> >Ashley >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get >> your account info for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 > >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >7 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:42:30 -0400 >> >From: > To: >"National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list" >> ????> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and >journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ><**AF7D2C5148FE4AC39D1C45AA2B6941**EB at OwnerPC >> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; >> >charset="Windows-1252"; >> >????reply-type=original >> >> Joshua, >> What is >a forum like? Isn't that for a group of >people >> to discuss something >> common? >> Is >that how a forum differs from a blog? >> This >would be a good idea if?I had several >> people >interested in a forum. >> I'll see about it. I >have a beep ball team and that >> was one of the >things I >> wanted to blog about. But yes if >more people want >> to >> post online, I'd >like >> the idea of a forum. A blog would be >more for my >> writings, if I do it. >> >> I'll >check those links out and I'm glad to know >they >> are accessible. >> >> Ashley >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua >Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:50 PM >> >To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >accessible blog and journal >> sites >> >> >Ashley: >> Why not start an accessible forum, >online, for blind >> people? >> I've found an >accessible one. >> V Bulletin, is quite >accessible, with an audio >> captcha, (if they >still have >> it.) >> To see 2 forums, from V >Bulletin, here are some >> examples. >> >www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, and >> >www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> >On 7/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> Hi >all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or >maybe more >> than one blog. >> So what >accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers >generally write first >> person stories, or >about things they see that are >> more >objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often >do you >> update it??Is it possible to >> upload >photos to it to go along with your story? >> Or >maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post >photos? >> What about audio? What format do >audio clips need >> to be in? >> Can you have >more than one blog on the same site? >> Can >> >you write as much as you want or is there a >word >> limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like >to share with >> friends and family. I >figured >> blogging would be a neat way to write >stories >> about myself, life and my >> opinions >on things like books, technology, and >> >religion. >> >> What site can you write like a >journal about >> yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> >Ashley >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get >> your account info for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 > >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your >> account info for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma > >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >8 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:18 -0400 >> >From: Elizabeth > To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks >for the Help at National >> Convention >> >Message-ID: > >> Content-Type: text/plain; >charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> I >have done my best to thank everyone individually >for >> the help they have >> provided me over >the past week. However, I thought >> I >> would >also send out a >> general message to thank >anyone I may have missed >> along the >way. My >> convention may not have gone the way >I wanted it to >> go, but it was exactly >> what >I needed for reasons I am not willing to share >on >> such a public email >> list. >> >> Since >the last time I checked the messages on this >> >list was before >> convention, it is quite >possible that someone may have >> already said >what >> happened, or at least their version of >the story. >> However, I have already >> shared >my version of the story about a million times >> >by now, so if you are >> curious as to what >happened, you will just have to >> wait for >another time. >> >> The bottom line is that I am >going to be just fine. >> I >> just wanted to >show >> my appreciation to those who may have >helped me along >> the way. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >Elizabeth >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >9 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:22:03 -0500 >> >From: Joshua Lester >> > > >> To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list >> ????> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible blog and >journal >> sites >> Message-ID: >> ???? >> >> >> > >> om >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >charset=windows-1252 >> >> Yes. >> Are you >familiar with the beap baseball? >> I just heard >about it, on the DJD Invasion. >> Blessings, >Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, >bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> >Joshua, >> What is a forum like? Isn't that for >a group of >> people to discuss >> something >> >common? >> Is that how a forum differs from a >blog? >> This would be a good idea if?I had >several >> people interested in a forum. >> I'll >see about it. I have a beep ball team and >> >that was one of the things >> I >> wanted to >blog about. But yes if more people want >> to >post online, I'd >> like >> the idea of a >forum. A blog would be more for my >> writings, >if I do it. >> >> I'll check those links out and >I'm glad to know >> they are accessible. >> >> >Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 >8:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind >Students >> mailing list >> Subject: Re: >[nabs-l] accessible blog and journal >> >sites >> >> Ashley: >> Why not start an >accessible forum, online, for >> blind >people? >> I've found an accessible one. >> V >Bulletin, is quite accessible, with an audio >> >captcha, (if they still >> have >> it.) >> To >see 2 forums, from V Bulletin, here are some >> >examples. >> www.apostolicfriendsforum.com, >and >> www.goodnewscafe.net. >> Blessings, >Joshua >> >> On 7/10/11, >bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> >> wrote: >> Hi >all, >> >> I?m interested in starting a blog or >maybe >> more than one blog. >> So what >accessible sites are there??Do >> bloggers >generally write first >> person stories, or >about things they see that >> are more >objective? >> Any of you have a blog??How often >do >> you update it??Is it possible to >> upload >photos to it to go along with your >> story? Or >maybe you need >> sighted >> help to post >photos? >> What about audio? What format do >audio clips >> need to be in? >> Can you have >more than one blog on the same >> site? Can >> >you write as much as you want or is there a >> >word limit? >> I enjoy writing and I?d like to >share with >> friends and family. I figured >> >blogging would be a neat way to write stories >> >about myself, life and my >> opinions on things >like books, technology, >> and religion. >> >> >What site can you write like a journal about >> >yourself? >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options >or >> get your account info for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 > >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get >> your account info for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookworma > >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get >> your account info for >> >nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**jlester84 > >> 62%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >10 >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:50:20 +0000 >(UTC) >> From: Amy Sabo > >To: "BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF" >> >, >> ????"OF BLIND >STUDENTS, >> COLORADO ASSOCIATION" >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim >problem >> Message-ID: >> ????< >> >> >> >1760385386.319978.**1310359820794.JavaMail.root@**sz0144a.emeryville. > >> ca.mail.comcast.net >> >> >> Content-Type: >text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> hello all, >> >> >i hope that you are all doing well. i'm >having >> problems with the latest >> version of >aim. i have tried tabbing to all of the >> >features on it to change >> the settings on it >but, jfw won't let me do that. >> is >> there a >way in where i >> can access aim with jfw? are >there speciall scripts >> for jfw that i can >use? >> >> thanks again and, i will talk to you >all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> >> >------------------------------ >> >> Message: >11 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:34 -0700 >> >From: "Humberto Avila" >> > > >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students >mailing >> list'" >> ????> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] aim problem >> >Message-ID: >> ><**0FCAE1D24B6A42BD8B6BF6FDF4002D**EE at HumbertoAvila > >> Content-Type: text/plain;?? >> ì ¨ìŸ >harset="us-ascii" >> >> The last thing I heard >about AOL Instant Messenger >> (AIM) was about 2 >years >> ago on a podcast about JAWS and instant >messaging (by >> the way, it was the >> FS >> >cast). Maybe they have updated the software and >now >> it >> is inaccessible with >> JAWS? I >don't know...but, what version of JAWS are >you >> using? Which >> operating system? Which >version of aim? >> Cheers,?Humberto >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> From: >nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> >[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org >] >> On >> Behalf >> >Of Amy Sabo >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:50 >PM >> To: BLIND STUDENTS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION >OF; OF BLIND >> STUDENTS, COLORADO >> >ASSOCIATION >> Subject: [nabs-l] aim >problem >> >> hello all, >> >> i hope that you >are all doing well. i'm having >> problems with >the latest >> version of aim. i have tried >tabbing to all of the >> features on it to >change >> the settings on it but, jfw won't let >me do that. >> is >> there a way in where i >> >can access aim with jfw? are there speciall >scripts >> for jfw that i can use? >> >> thanks >again and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> >hugs, >> amy >> >______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 22:01:13 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:01:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: <9A13E24C894B4E0683131FC469E523E3@HumbertoAvila> References: <9A13E24C894B4E0683131FC469E523E3@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Nicole, I've seen similar studies; maybe I should be more bothered than I am now. It's happened to me a couple times, but not all that often. The one thing we probably should keep in mind is that taxi drivers need to stay in pretty constant contact with their dispatchers so they can know where they're going after they drop you off, report if there are traffic problems, find out if there's some sort of blockage they'd need to avoid, that sort of thing. I've seen some cab drivers use a radio for this, I've seen some use phones, I think there are some cabs with built-in computers for communication between driver and dispatcher but I've not ridden in one personally (to my knowledge), but the driver has to be able to talk to the dispatcher somehow. According to the studies you're referencing, that's going to be dangerous however they do it, but it has to be done. In any case, I think it's understandable if you're bothered by that distraction. Maybe hire a driver if it really makes you feel uncomfortable? These are just my thoughts, take them for what they're worth. (which is probably not a lot, *grin*) Best, Kirt On 7/16/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > I do have questions about this. In some states, they are already implying > the law that requires people to not talk or text while driving. That being > said, taxi drivers must, and with higher importance, be able to respect that > law and if they break it, they can even lose their job. > > As to if they bother me or not, I don't think they bother me as much. But > what if drivers are texting on their mobile phones while driving--that will > be much worse in terms of safety because, A, they can get into accidents, > and, B, the police can sneak out for them and C, we can't always hear their > fingers! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:45 AM > To: NABS-L > Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for > transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do > you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while driving? > If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, and, > if so, who? > > Nicole and my guide dog Lexia > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sat Jul 16 22:08:58 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:08:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for five years References: <9544A2EF-3922-403C-8344-DF99B85A90C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006301cc4404$f64a6390$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Valerie and everyone, Pray that your significant other doesn't try to call you when you're being attacked by velossa raptors and a t-rex. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Gibson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Convention in Orlando for five years Just my thoughts, but all that soudns great: teh hotel rates and all, but you know the attractions help as well. :D so you have a better turn out. speaking for myself, if the convention is going to be in orlando for the next few years, not counting next year, i'm SOOOO there. Dont' get me wrong, convention is pretty cool and very informative, but yo just can't beat a day at the Harry Potter theme park and a mug of butterbeer to go along with it. in my oppinion, makes the trip well worth it. you get informative speeches and a day to be a kid again with some really cool staff at the universal/disney parks. Again just my thoughts. I'm sure the rest of you, including the serious minded, secretly agree with me. :P On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've seen a lot of comments about the national convention schedule for > the next few years so I thought I'd post what I've been told about the > decision. My husband is on our affiliate board, and we both have been > involved with our chapter, affiliate and some national groups, and we've > been privy to some information- if I'm wrong, I apologize; I'm merely > stating what little I've been told. > > Let me preface this by saying it takes a very long time to plan an event > of this magnitude. President Mauer and the convention committee spend > time locating facilities that will accommodate a convention such as this > as well as providing the best possible hotel rates they can negotiate. > > It takes at least a year to plan an event like convention, so they look > to book hotel/convention centers ASAP. It's difficult to plan without a > location. > > I've been told that the NFB was able to negotiate a deal with the > Rosenburg resort with the condition we would return for a certain period > of time, which ensures us decent rates and ensures business for the > resort. > > So convention will be in Orlando at the same resort for the next few > years because this is how the deal was negotiated. > >> From a business perspective, if a hotel provides us with discounted > rates (and in most cases, we have been given huge discounts over the > years considering the type of hotels usually booked for convention) it > would make sense a hotel would request a certain amount of business to > make up for the discounted rate. If you usually charge $190/night for a > room, and are offering it for $70/night, that is a huge cut you take. > So you want to accrue that business more than once so you can make a > little mula back from a particular guest. > > Most the facilities the NFB books for convention have expensive hotel > rates that members of the Federation are able to haggle and negotiate > down to the incredible rates we usually have. > > As to why it is Orlando- I'm not sure if the Rosenburg has offered the > best deal compared to hotels in other states, or if the locale is > amenable to most convention-goers, or if they feel this facility meets > our needs best- this is something I've not heard much about. > > I say wicked awesome, though, to having it in Orlando for a few years. > There is a lot to do tourist wise; the resort seems to provide enough > for attendees to do without ever leaving the resort complex; and > sometimes it's nice to have consistency. > > Anyway, contracts have been negotiated and signed (I assume if an > announcement has been made) so we will have to put up with Orlando for a > few years after next year. > > Bridgit P > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sat Jul 16 22:29:38 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:29:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones References: <9A13E24C894B4E0683131FC469E523E3@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <39A032109A3B48E3B8B0BDFD44B845A2@stanford.edu> I do not think that they are always talking to dispatch. I have ridden in a cab before where the driver was on the cell phone almost the entire time. I would think that a conversation with dispatch would be brief. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirt Manwaring" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > Nicole, > I've seen similar studies; maybe I should be more bothered than I am > now. It's happened to me a couple times, but not all that often. The > one thing we probably should keep in mind is that taxi drivers need to > stay in pretty constant contact with their dispatchers so they can > know where they're going after they drop you off, report if there are > traffic problems, find out if there's some sort of blockage they'd > need to avoid, that sort of thing. I've seen some cab drivers use a > radio for this, I've seen some use phones, I think there are some cabs > with built-in computers for communication between driver and > dispatcher but I've not ridden in one personally (to my knowledge), > but the driver has to be able to talk to the dispatcher somehow. > According to the studies you're referencing, that's going to be > dangerous however they do it, but it has to be done. In any case, I > think it's understandable if you're bothered by that distraction. > Maybe hire a driver if it really makes you feel uncomfortable? These > are just my thoughts, take them for what they're worth. (which is > probably not a lot, *grin*) > Best, > Kirt > > On 7/16/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> I do have questions about this. In some states, they are already >> implying >> the law that requires people to not talk or text while driving. That >> being >> said, taxi drivers must, and with higher importance, be able to respect >> that >> law and if they break it, they can even lose their job. >> >> As to if they bother me or not, I don't think they bother me as much. But >> what if drivers are texting on their mobile phones while driving--that >> will >> be much worse in terms of safety because, A, they can get into accidents, >> and, B, the police can sneak out for them and C, we can't always hear >> their >> fingers! >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:45 AM >> To: NABS-L >> Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >> >> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >> transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do >> you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while >> driving? >> If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, >> and, >> if so, who? >> >> Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 23:44:00 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:44:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: <39A032109A3B48E3B8B0BDFD44B845A2@stanford.edu> References: <9A13E24C894B4E0683131FC469E523E3@HumbertoAvila> <39A032109A3B48E3B8B0BDFD44B845A2@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Yeah, I didn't mean to say they were always on the phone with dispatch-I meant to say they need to be able to talk to dispatch any time and that's a distraction from the road. I think you're right to be concerned if they're on the phone the whole time, especially if it was a personal conversation. On 7/16/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > I do not think that they are always talking to dispatch. I have ridden in a > cab before where the driver was on the cell phone almost the entire time. I > would think that a conversation with dispatch would be brief. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirt Manwaring" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > >> Nicole, >> I've seen similar studies; maybe I should be more bothered than I am >> now. It's happened to me a couple times, but not all that often. The >> one thing we probably should keep in mind is that taxi drivers need to >> stay in pretty constant contact with their dispatchers so they can >> know where they're going after they drop you off, report if there are >> traffic problems, find out if there's some sort of blockage they'd >> need to avoid, that sort of thing. I've seen some cab drivers use a >> radio for this, I've seen some use phones, I think there are some cabs >> with built-in computers for communication between driver and >> dispatcher but I've not ridden in one personally (to my knowledge), >> but the driver has to be able to talk to the dispatcher somehow. >> According to the studies you're referencing, that's going to be >> dangerous however they do it, but it has to be done. In any case, I >> think it's understandable if you're bothered by that distraction. >> Maybe hire a driver if it really makes you feel uncomfortable? These >> are just my thoughts, take them for what they're worth. (which is >> probably not a lot, *grin*) >> Best, >> Kirt >> >> On 7/16/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> I do have questions about this. In some states, they are already >>> implying >>> the law that requires people to not talk or text while driving. That >>> being >>> said, taxi drivers must, and with higher importance, be able to respect >>> that >>> law and if they break it, they can even lose their job. >>> >>> As to if they bother me or not, I don't think they bother me as much. But >>> what if drivers are texting on their mobile phones while driving--that >>> will >>> be much worse in terms of safety because, A, they can get into accidents, >>> and, B, the police can sneak out for them and C, we can't always hear >>> their >>> fingers! >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:45 AM >>> To: NABS-L >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>> >>> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >>> transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do >>> you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while >>> driving? >>> If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, >>> and, >>> if so, who? >>> >>> Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 23:58:22 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:58:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: <39A032109A3B48E3B8B0BDFD44B845A2@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <4e2225b0.05c3e00a.18d7.2547@mx.google.com> Yes I agree with Nicole. That has also happened to me. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones I do not think that they are always talking to dispatch. I have ridden in a cab before where the driver was on the cell phone almost the entire time. I would think that a conversation with dispatch would be brief. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirt Manwaring" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > Nicole, > I've seen similar studies; maybe I should be more bothered than I am > now. It's happened to me a couple times, but not all that often. The > one thing we probably should keep in mind is that taxi drivers need to > stay in pretty constant contact with their dispatchers so they can > know where they're going after they drop you off, report if there are > traffic problems, find out if there's some sort of blockage they'd > need to avoid, that sort of thing. I've seen some cab drivers use a > radio for this, I've seen some use phones, I think there are some cabs > with built-in computers for communication between driver and > dispatcher but I've not ridden in one personally (to my knowledge), > but the driver has to be able to talk to the dispatcher somehow. > According to the studies you're referencing, that's going to be > dangerous however they do it, but it has to be done. In any case, I > think it's understandable if you're bothered by that distraction. > Maybe hire a driver if it really makes you feel uncomfortable? These > are just my thoughts, take them for what they're worth. (which is > probably not a lot, *grin*) > Best, > Kirt > > On 7/16/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> I do have questions about this. In some states, they are already >> implying >> the law that requires people to not talk or text while driving. That >> being >> said, taxi drivers must, and with higher importance, be able to respect >> that >> law and if they break it, they can even lose their job. >> >> As to if they bother me or not, I don't think they bother me as much. But >> what if drivers are texting on their mobile phones while driving--that >> will >> be much worse in terms of safety because, A, they can get into accidents, >> and, B, the police can sneak out for them and C, we can't always hear >> their >> fingers! >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:45 AM >> To: NABS-L >> Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >> >> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >> transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do >> you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while >> driving? >> If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, >> and, >> if so, who? >> >> Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gma il.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecab le.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 17 01:52:01 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:52:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D7C26C0595B43A7A2A697809FFF2B82@OwnerPC> Nicole, I have used cabs privately and when they contract with our paratransit service, metro access. Its half and half I think. VA has not passed a no talking law yet, but they have banned texting while driving. Yes when a cab driver talks on the phone for a majority of the ride, it certainly bothers me. I know they cannot focus on driving as well when they are having a personal conversation. No I haven't talked to anyone about it; but I've thought about talking to the cab company. I'm not sure what their policy is about cell phones. That is something I've wanted to find out though. I'd say if you feel unsafe, talk to the cab company and get the policy. If a cab driver violates that policy, then report him/her; get the cab number and if possible the driver's name. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:44 PM To: NABS-L Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while driving? If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, and, if so, who? Nicole and my guide dog Lexia _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Jul 17 03:17:39 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:17:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: <4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu> References: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com> <4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110716201540.01d27268@earthlink.net> Hi, Lea, By any chance did you go to Dan Wenzel's summer program before the CCB, relocated to Littleton? Car >Actually, no, it does not. I took a psychology class last winter >quarter which included trying to multitask; studies have shown that >talking on the cell phone, regardless of whether or not it is hands >free, is more dangerous than driving drunk. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:36 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > >>Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most >>of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the >>cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction >>is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make >>you feel a bit better. >> >>On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>Hi Nicole, >>>When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell >>>phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was a >>>little scared. >>>Rania, >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM >>>To: NABS-L >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>> >>> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >>>transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do >>>you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while driving? >>>If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, and, >>>if so, who? >>> >>>Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>l.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> >> >>-- >>Lea Williams >> >>Phone; >>704-732-4470 >>Skipe; >>Lea.williams738 >>Facebook >>http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 03:22:28 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:22:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible phones for the blind through sprint and t mobile Message-ID: <16F23A7CCBCB4F448119FB88FD273C96@HumbertoAvila> Hello everybody, does anybody know if there are any accessible phones for the blind with either sprint or t mobile? which phones that can run screen readers, like mobile speak or talks, can be operated by those carriers? Or, are there any accessible phones, like the Samsung Haven for Verizon, that are able to have text-to-speech right out of the box with either of these carriers? I'm asking these questions because one of my uncles is trying to get me and my family into getting t mobile or sprint and if so, I want an accessible phone. thanks and have a nice day! -- Humberto Avila Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Jul 17 03:26:32 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:26:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Symposium University at Buffalo In-Reply-To: <4e21c751.c993dc0a.12d7.2451@mx.google.com> References: <4e21c751.c993dc0a.12d7.2451@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much, Chris! :) E-mail sent. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi David, > > You might want to check in with the Jernigan Institute, as they present a > lot of symposiums and things of that nature. You could contact Mark > Riccobono, executive director of the Institute at mriccobono at nfb.org. > Hope this helps! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the > ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more > and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Dodge To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:56:38 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Symposium University at Buffalo > > Hello Everyone, > My name is David Dodge and I am an English major at the University at > Buffalo (UB) here in New York state. I have been blind since birth. I am > planning a disability symposium that will focus on the strengths, needs, > and > possibilities for people with a variety of disabilities. > > I would really appreciate ANY help, suggestions, or advice you might have. > Please e-mail me at daviddod at buffalo.edu if you have any information to > contribute or you would like to come/present. The more people we have > working on this the better it will be! > > David > ------------------------------**---- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 17 03:29:06 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 23:29:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110716201540.01d27268@earthlink.net> References: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com><4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110716201540.01d27268@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Carley, What summer program was this and what did campers or students do? Was it in colorado? Just curious as I like to know what programs are out there for youth in the summer. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones Hi, Lea, By any chance did you go to Dan Wenzel's summer program before the CCB, relocated to Littleton? Car >Actually, no, it does not. I took a psychology class last winter quarter >which included trying to multitask; studies have shown that talking on the >cell phone, regardless of whether or not it is hands free, is more >dangerous than driving drunk. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:36 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > >>Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most >>of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the >>cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction >>is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make >>you feel a bit better. >> >>On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>Hi Nicole, >>>When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell >>>phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was a >>>little scared. >>>Rania, >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>Behalf >>>Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM >>>To: NABS-L >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>> >>> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >>>transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do >>>you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while >>>driving? >>>If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, >>>and, >>>if so, who? >>> >>>Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>l.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> >> >>-- >>Lea Williams >> >>Phone; >>704-732-4470 >>Skipe; >>Lea.williams738 >>Facebook >>http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Jul 17 03:33:43 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:33:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Programs References: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com><4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu><7.0.1.0.2.20110716201540.01d27268@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <606681F371EC42F7866C99E97FAD14B1@stanford.edu> When the content changes, please try to change the subject line, as these topics have little to nothing to do with each other. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > Carley, > What summer program was this and what did campers or students do? > Was it in colorado? Just curious as I like to know what programs are out > there for youth in the summer. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carly Mihalakis > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > > > Hi, Lea, > > By any chance did you go to Dan Wenzel's summer program before the > CCB, relocated to Littleton? > Car > > > > >>Actually, no, it does not. I took a psychology class last winter quarter >>which included trying to multitask; studies have shown that talking on the >>cell phone, regardless of whether or not it is hands free, is more >>dangerous than driving drunk. >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" >> >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:36 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >> >> >>>Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most >>>of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the >>>cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction >>>is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make >>>you feel a bit better. >>> >>>On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>>Hi Nicole, >>>>When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell >>>>phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was >>>>a >>>>little scared. >>>>Rania, >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>Behalf >>>>Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM >>>>To: NABS-L >>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>>> >>>> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >>>>transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. >>>>Do >>>>you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while >>>>driving? >>>>If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, >>>>and, >>>>if so, who? >>>> >>>>Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>l.com >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Lea Williams >>> >>>Phone; >>>704-732-4470 >>>Skipe; >>>Lea.williams738 >>>Facebook >>>http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Jul 17 04:23:39 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:23:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Programs In-Reply-To: <606681F371EC42F7866C99E97FAD14B1@stanford.edu> References: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com> <4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110716201540.01d27268@earthlink.net> <606681F371EC42F7866C99E97FAD14B1@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110716211826.01cf1020@earthlink.net> Hi, Ashley, 'didn['t realize that was sent to the whole list but since you asked, the Colorado Center has this summer program that is a less involved version of the ITP program where you do like summer school versions of braille, home management, travel and business class, at the center on a daily basis. They also connect students with a job arrangement. If you work, you obviously do not have class.. I was both a student and counselor at this program. for today, Carlycontent changes, please try to change the subject line, as these topics have little to nothing to do with each other. >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:29 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > >>Carley, >>What summer program was this and what did campers or students do? >>Was it in colorado? Just curious as I like to know what programs >>are out there for youth in the summer. >>Ashley >> >>-----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:17 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >> >> >> >>Hi, Lea, >> >>By any chance did you go to Dan Wenzel's summer program before the >>CCB, relocated to Littleton? >>Car >> >> >> >> >>>Actually, no, it does not. I took a psychology class last winter >>>quarter which included trying to multitask; studies have shown >>>that talking on the cell phone, regardless of whether or not it is >>>hands free, is more dangerous than driving drunk. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" >>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:36 PM >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>> >>> >>>>Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most >>>>of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the >>>>cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction >>>>is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make >>>>you feel a bit better. >>>> >>>>On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>>>Hi Nicole, >>>>>When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell >>>>>phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was a >>>>>little scared. >>>>>Rania, >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>>>Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM >>>>>To: NABS-L >>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >>>>>transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do >>>>>you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones >>>>>while driving? >>>>>If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, and, >>>>>if so, who? >>>>> >>>>>Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Lea Williams >>>> >>>>Phone; >>>>704-732-4470 >>>>Skipe; >>>>Lea.williams738 >>>>Facebook >>>>http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>for nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 04:51:59 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 00:51:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible phones for the blind through sprint and t mobile In-Reply-To: <16F23A7CCBCB4F448119FB88FD273C96@HumbertoAvila> References: <16F23A7CCBCB4F448119FB88FD273C96@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Hi, Humberto, To my knowledge, neither T-mobile or Sprint has any cell phones with text-to-speech capabilities right out of the box. You can, however, find many unlocked phones on EBay and other websites that are on the supported phone list for Talks or Mobile Speak, which you can purchase for use with your T-mobile service plan (this is what I did recently). The situation with Sprint may be a little different since it does not belong to the GSM network and might have special restrictions in terms of its compatibility with unlocked phones, but I'm not sure about that. Hope this helps! Katie On 7/16/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello everybody, > > does anybody know if there are any accessible phones for the blind with > either sprint or t mobile? which phones that can run screen readers, like > mobile speak or talks, can be operated by those carriers? > Or, are there any accessible phones, like the Samsung Haven for Verizon, > that are able to have text-to-speech right out of the box with either of > these carriers? > > I'm asking these questions because one of my uncles is trying to get me and > my family into getting t mobile or sprint and if so, I want an accessible > phone. > > thanks and have a nice day! > > > -- > Humberto Avila > Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 17 14:19:28 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 10:19:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Programs In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110716211826.01cf1020@earthlink.net> References: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com><4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu><7.0.1.0.2.20110716201540.01d27268@earthlink.net><606681F371EC42F7866C99E97FAD14B1@stanford.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110716211826.01cf1020@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1954DF5819B245E7AEBA93341B8454A7@OwnerPC> Thanks Carley. -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 12:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Summer Programs Hi, Ashley, 'didn['t realize that was sent to the whole list but since you asked, the Colorado Center has this summer program that is a less involved version of the ITP program where you do like summer school versions of braille, home management, travel and business class, at the center on a daily basis. They also connect students with a job arrangement. If you work, you obviously do not have class.. I was both a student and counselor at this program. for today, Carlycontent changes, please try to change the subject line, as these topics have little to nothing to do with each other. >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:29 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > >>Carley, >>What summer program was this and what did campers or students do? >>Was it in colorado? Just curious as I like to know what programs are out >>there for youth in the summer. >>Ashley >> >>-----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:17 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >> >> >> >>Hi, Lea, >> >>By any chance did you go to Dan Wenzel's summer program before the >>CCB, relocated to Littleton? >>Car >> >> >> >> >>>Actually, no, it does not. I took a psychology class last winter quarter >>>which included trying to multitask; studies have shown that talking on >>>the cell phone, regardless of whether or not it is hands free, is more >>>dangerous than driving drunk. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" >>> >>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:36 PM >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>> >>> >>>>Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most >>>>of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the >>>>cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction >>>>is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make >>>>you feel a bit better. >>>> >>>>On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>>>Hi Nicole, >>>>>When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell >>>>>phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was >>>>>a >>>>>little scared. >>>>>Rania, >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>>Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM >>>>>To: NABS-L >>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >>>>>transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. >>>>>Do >>>>>you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while >>>>>driving? >>>>>If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, >>>>>and, >>>>>if so, who? >>>>> >>>>>Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Lea Williams >>>> >>>>Phone; >>>>704-732-4470 >>>>Skipe; >>>>Lea.williams738 >>>>Facebook >>>>http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 16:09:18 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:09:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Accessible phones for the blind through sprint and tmobile Message-ID: <4e230945.8d6adc0a.118f.2f05@mx.google.com> Hi Humberto, I would assume that T Mobile would have accessible phones, while I don't know which ones, as it has an NFB member discount. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" , References: <4e230945.8d6adc0a.118f.2f05@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Homberto, There's always Android. It might not be what you're looking for, because you need a data plan and have to buy an extra $100 program to give it decent accessibility, but that's a product which will only get more and more accessible as time goes on. But I don't think either of those networks have a basic dumbphone like the Samsung Haven which is accessible right out of the box. Oh, one more thing. Give t-mobile six months to a year, and I bet you'll see t-mobile selling iphones. Just a guess, but it wouldn't surprise me. Chris, I'm a t-mobile prisoner...I mean, umm, customer. With all due respect to the NFB, that discount's just T-mobile's second-rate attempt at public relations with the blind community. There isn't much substance behind it, as far as I can tell. At least AT&T gives a huge price cut with mobile speak. Anyway, there's a huge reason so many blind people have iPhones now. Sprint and T-mobile are definitely behind at&T and Varison when it comes to accessibility. Best, Kirt On 7/17/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Humberto, > > I would assume that T Mobile would have accessible phones, while > I don't know which ones, as it has an NFB member discount. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" To: , Date sent: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:22:28 -0700 > Subject: [Blindtlk] Accessible phones for the blind through > sprint and tmobile > > Hello everybody, > > does anybody know if there are any accessible phones for the > blind with > either sprint or t mobile? which phones that can run screen > readers, like > mobile speak or talks, can be operated by those carriers? > Or, are there any accessible phones, like the Samsung Haven for > Verizon, > that are able to have text-to-speech right out of the box with > either of > these carriers? > > I'm asking these questions because one of my uncles is trying to > get me and > my family into getting t mobile or sprint and if so, I want an > accessible > phone. > > thanks and have a nice day! > > > -- > Humberto Avila > Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindtlk: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. > nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 20:42:39 2011 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Andi) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:42:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [acb-l] Expedition impossible In-Reply-To: <4e206455.0488e50a.24b2.3587@mx.google.com> References: <4e206455.0488e50a.24b2.3587@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <65C9BC153F0C4D74BB16735A9056ABC0@OwnerPC> It is Eric Winemire, sorry I do not know how to spell it. He climbed mount everest, and has several documentaries. I know he did something with brail with out borders to. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:01 PM To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; NFBMD list ; NFB history list ; Nathan Clark ; Gary Legates Subject: [nabs-l] [acb-l] Expedition impossible Do you know what "blind guy" this is? :) Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "Yvonne" I bleieve to spell his last name, it's weihenmayer. Even I forgot. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi" References: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com> <4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110716201540.01d27268@earthlink.net> <606681F371EC42F7866C99E97FAD14B1@stanford.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110716211826.01cf1020@earthlink.net> <1954DF5819B245E7AEBA93341B8454A7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi all To quickly add to the summer program thread, there are similar summer programs to colorado's program. LCB and BLIND inc have programs and BISM has a very fine program that they run now. Nabs has had people from the programs on past conference calls. Maybe we'll do it again at some point. Darian On 7/17/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Thanks Carley. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carly Mihalakis > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 12:23 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Summer Programs > > > > Hi, Ashley, > > 'didn['t realize that was sent to the whole list but since you asked, > the Colorado Center has this summer program that is a less involved > version of the ITP program where you do like summer school versions > of braille, home management, travel and business class, at the center > on a daily basis. They also connect students with a job arrangement. > If you work, you obviously do not have class.. > I was both a student and counselor at this program. > > for today, > Carlycontent changes, please try to change the subject line, as these > topics have little to nothing to do with each other. > >>----- Original Message ----- From: >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:29 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >> >> >>>Carley, >>>What summer program was this and what did campers or students do? >>>Was it in colorado? Just curious as I like to know what programs are out >>>there for youth in the summer. >>>Ashley >>> >>>-----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis >>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:17 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi, Lea, >>> >>>By any chance did you go to Dan Wenzel's summer program before the >>>CCB, relocated to Littleton? >>>Car >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Actually, no, it does not. I took a psychology class last winter quarter >>>>which included trying to multitask; studies have shown that talking on >>>>the cell phone, regardless of whether or not it is hands free, is more >>>>dangerous than driving drunk. >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" >>>> >>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:36 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most >>>>>of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the >>>>>cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction >>>>>is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make >>>>>you feel a bit better. >>>>> >>>>>On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>>>>Hi Nicole, >>>>>>When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell >>>>>>phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was >>>>>> >>>>>>a >>>>>>little scared. >>>>>>Rania, >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>Behalf >>>>>>Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM >>>>>>To: NABS-L >>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >>>>>>transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. >>>>>>Do >>>>>>you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while >>>>>>driving? >>>>>>If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, >>>>>>and, >>>>>>if so, who? >>>>>> >>>>>>Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>>>l.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Lea Williams >>>>> >>>>>Phone; >>>>>704-732-4470 >>>>>Skipe; >>>>>Lea.williams738 >>>>>Facebook >>>>>http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith “My secret?  See it, and stay focused on it.” — Shaquille O'Neal From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 14:26:46 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:26:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: References: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com> <4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110716201540.01d27268@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Nicole and Others: I also take cabs frequently and drivers talk on their cell phnes all the time. The cabs I've been in have radios where they can talk back and forth to dispatch but often their personal cell phones ring either for personal requests for rides or just people to talk. I honestly have never had a problem with it or thought anything of it. Maybe I should start trying to pay more attention to it or be more aware/cautious of it. I guess I've alwys gotten where I need to go safely and if it's a person calling the driver for a personal request for a pickup then I wouldn't want to take a potential customer/chance to make money away from the driver. Just my two cents lol. Kerri On 7/16/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Carley, > What summer program was this and what did campers or students do? > Was it in colorado? Just curious as I like to know what programs are out > there for youth in the summer. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carly Mihalakis > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > > > Hi, Lea, > > By any chance did you go to Dan Wenzel's summer program before the > CCB, relocated to Littleton? > Car > > > > >>Actually, no, it does not. I took a psychology class last winter quarter >>which included trying to multitask; studies have shown that talking on the >>cell phone, regardless of whether or not it is hands free, is more >>dangerous than driving drunk. >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:36 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >> >> >>>Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most >>>of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the >>>cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction >>>is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make >>>you feel a bit better. >>> >>>On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>>>Hi Nicole, >>>>When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell >>>>phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was a >>>>little scared. >>>>Rania, >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>Behalf >>>>Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM >>>>To: NABS-L >>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones >>>> >>>> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for >>>>transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do >>>>you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while >>>>driving? >>>>If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, >>>>and, >>>>if so, who? >>>> >>>>Nicole and my guide dog Lexia >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>l.com >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Lea Williams >>> >>>Phone; >>>704-732-4470 >>>Skipe; >>>Lea.williams738 >>>Facebook >>>http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 18 17:05:00 2011 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen Ly) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:05:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] MacBook Pro for sale Message-ID: <1989D11C-F224-4C7D-80CE-198356720049@sbcglobal.net> Good day all, I have for sale a MacBook Pro: Model Identifier: MacBookPro6,2 in excellent condition. The unit will come with all original cables and packaging as well as Apple care. Hardware overview info from the system profiler is as follows: Hardware Overview: Model Name: MacBook Pro Model Identifier: MacBookPro6,2 Processor Name: Intel Core i7 Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz Number Of Processors: 1 Total Number Of Cores: 2 L2 Cache (per core): 256 KB L3 Cache: 4 MB Memory: 8 GB Processor Interconnect Speed: 4.8 GT/s Additional info: 500GB HDD at 7200 RPM 15" Antiglare LCD The Unit will come with the following extras upon request: Apple remote, iLife 11, bootalble OSX SnowLeopard recovery USB flash drive I would like to receive $1,600.00 + shipping for the item, but will entertain all reasonable offers. I can accept payment via Paypal, check, or money order. All forms of payment will need to clear before package tracking information will be sent. Please feel free to send me a message or give me a call at the number below with any questions. Best Regards: Hai Nguyen Ly Email: h.nguyen.ly at gmail.com Mobile: 347-422-7085 From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Jul 18 17:16:20 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:16:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones In-Reply-To: References: <4e21f2d3.c68ddc0a.367f.189a@mx.google.com> <4D659D7BB7EC4B83ADBC65A1367E6EB7@stanford.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20110716201540.01d27268@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110718100021.01d0bc18@earthlink.net> Good morning, Kerri, and other list folk, I tend to agree with you about drivers on their phones. I try to reverse the situation, for perspective's sake. I personally would probably not talk on the phone because I wouldn't want my passenger to feel slighted, during their ride. I also believe strongly in being fully, present during all activities. Each activity ought to be celebrated, and a person ought to give their complete attention, if such a thing is possible. I am not for a moment saying I never get distracted or am not fully attentive, god knows even I am subject to such earthliness! I don't think of people on their phones being much my business. Driver knows how he would like to do his job and what impression he envisions his passenger's having of both his job, and the ride. for today, Carit's a person calling the driver for a personal request >: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > > > > > > > > Hi, Lea, > > > > By any chance did you go to Dan Wenzel's summer program before the > > CCB, relocated to Littleton? > > Car > > > > > > > > > >>Actually, no, it does not. I took a psychology class last winter quarter > >>which included trying to multitask; studies have shown that talking on the > >>cell phone, regardless of whether or not it is hands free, is more > >>dangerous than driving drunk. > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" > >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 1:36 PM > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > >> > >> > >>>Hey, When I live in OKC, I used the cab often. I found out that most > >>>of the cab driver used a bluetooth while driving instead of the > >>>cellphone itself. Not saying it is any safer because any distraction > >>>is not, but not sure if bluetooth verces holding the phone might make > >>>you feel a bit better. > >>> > >>>On 7/16/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > >>>>Hi Nicole, > >>>>When I take a cab I have had only one driver who would talk on his cell > >>>>phone when I was in the cab. I never spoke to anyone about it but I was a > >>>>little scared. > >>>>Rania, > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >>>>Behalf > >>>>Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > >>>>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 2:45 PM > >>>>To: NABS-L > >>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Cab Drivers Talking on Their Cell Phones > >>>> > >>>> Hello everyone. For various reasons, I frequently use cabs for > >>>>transportation, and I had a few questions for the members of the list. Do > >>>>you find that a lot of cab drivers talk on their cell phones while > >>>>driving? > >>>>If so, does this bother you? Have you ever talked to anyone about it, > >>>>and, > >>>>if so, who? > >>>> > >>>>Nicole and my guide dog Lexia > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>nabs-l: > >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaism > ail04%40gmai > >>>>l.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>nabs-l: > >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicol > e1988%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Lea Williams > >>> > >>>Phone; > >>>704-732-4470 > >>>Skipe; > >>>Lea.williams738 > >>>Facebook > >>>http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>nabs-l: > >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolin > i%40wavecable.com > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 18:41:49 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:41:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] MacBook Pro for sale In-Reply-To: <1989D11C-F224-4C7D-80CE-198356720049@sbcglobal.net> References: <1989D11C-F224-4C7D-80CE-198356720049@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20110718184148.GG31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> For those who don’t speak Mac nerd, a MacBookPro6,2 is otherwise known as a "Mid-2010" revision. It would come with iLife '09 on disc, if the original discs are included. Of course, you’re being offered iLife '11 which is newer though I personally find the updated iPhoto to be a mixed bag. Joseph - KF7QZC On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 01:05:00PM -0400, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote: >Good day all, >I have for sale a MacBook Pro: Model Identifier: MacBookPro6,2 in excellent condition. The unit will come with all original cables and packaging as well as Apple care. Hardware overview info from the system profiler is as follows: > >Hardware Overview: > > Model Name: MacBook Pro > Model Identifier: MacBookPro6,2 > Processor Name: Intel Core i7 > Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz > Number Of Processors: 1 > Total Number Of Cores: 2 > L2 Cache (per core): 256 KB > L3 Cache: 4 MB > Memory: 8 GB > Processor Interconnect Speed: 4.8 GT/s >Additional info: >500GB HDD at 7200 RPM >15" Antiglare LCD > >The Unit will come with the following extras upon request: Apple remote, iLife 11, bootalble OSX SnowLeopard recovery USB flash drive > >I would like to receive $1,600.00 + shipping for the item, but will entertain all reasonable offers. I can accept payment via Paypal, check, or money order. All forms of payment will need to clear before package tracking information will be sent. Please feel free to send me a message or give me a call at the number below with any questions. > >Best Regards: >Hai Nguyen Ly >Email: >h.nguyen.ly at gmail.com >Mobile: 347-422-7085 > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 18 19:17:34 2011 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen Ly) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:17:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] MacBook Pro for sale In-Reply-To: <20110718184148.GG31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <1989D11C-F224-4C7D-80CE-198356720049@sbcglobal.net> <20110718184148.GG31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <10CF1FFB-DF01-4135-B7B2-3AD3B9BD2B37@sbcglobal.net> Thank you Joseph for the clarification. Sometimes I get ahead of myself and forget to be more specific. On Jul 18, 2011, at 2:41 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > For those who don’t speak Mac nerd, a MacBookPro6,2 is otherwise known as a "Mid-2010" revision. It would come with iLife '09 on disc, if the original discs are included. Of course, you’re being offered iLife '11 which is newer though I personally find the updated iPhoto to be a mixed bag. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 01:05:00PM -0400, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote: >> Good day all, >> I have for sale a MacBook Pro: Model Identifier: MacBookPro6,2 in excellent condition. The unit will come with all original cables and packaging as well as Apple care. Hardware overview info from the system profiler is as follows: >> >> Hardware Overview: >> >> Model Name: MacBook Pro >> Model Identifier: MacBookPro6,2 >> Processor Name: Intel Core i7 >> Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz >> Number Of Processors: 1 >> Total Number Of Cores: 2 >> L2 Cache (per core): 256 KB >> L3 Cache: 4 MB >> Memory: 8 GB >> Processor Interconnect Speed: 4.8 GT/s >> Additional info: >> 500GB HDD at 7200 RPM >> 15" Antiglare LCD >> >> The Unit will come with the following extras upon request: Apple remote, iLife 11, bootalble OSX SnowLeopard recovery USB flash drive >> >> I would like to receive $1,600.00 + shipping for the item, but will entertain all reasonable offers. I can accept payment via Paypal, check, or money order. All forms of payment will need to clear before package tracking information will be sent. Please feel free to send me a message or give me a call at the number below with any questions. >> >> Best Regards: >> Hai Nguyen Ly >> Email: >> h.nguyen.ly at gmail.com >> Mobile: 347-422-7085 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net From agrima at nbp.org Tue Jul 19 18:09:47 2011 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:09:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] July Club Selection: Fancy Nancy: The Show Must Go On! Message-ID: <013601cc463f$0b4c3750$21e4a5f0$@org> July 2011 Book Club Selection Fancy Nancy: The Show Must Go On An I Can Read Book 1 Jane O'Connor Print/braille edition, $5.00 In contracted braille Ages 4-8 Nancy is excited about the up-coming school talent show, until she learns that instead of being partners with her best friend, she has to be partners with Lionel, a boy that she doesn't really know. Lionel is shy, and doesn't seem to like any of the things that Nancy does. Her parents suggest that Nancy spend time with Lionel so that she can discover what they do have in common. During a visit to Lionel's house, Nancy learns that he loves lions, and from that their talent show act is created. As in all the Fancy Nancy books, this makes for a great early reader for first and second grade girls. The story is enjoyable Nancy's "fancy" language help children learn new vocabulary words. 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From dandrews at visi.com Tue Jul 19 18:17:55 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:17:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice Message-ID: > >Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! > >Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT > >Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no >need to get out of the kitchen. There are lots >of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress guests. > >Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie >Tarr will discuss their favorite NO COOK >recipes, adding “cool” food preparation tips >that work for the cook with a visual impairment. > >Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her >favorites as we build a resource and recipe list >during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding your favorite recipe, too! > >Space in this seminar is limited. Please only >register if you know you are available to attend >so that others are not closed out. To register >for NO COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this >link: http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 > >Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How >New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > >Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT > >Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, >apps for bar code reading, apps for color >identification, and apps for games. If you have >an idevice (iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are >bombarded with thousands of apps available for >your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number >of apps available for your idevice? Do you want >to know more about the app before you download >it to your device, such as features and >accessibility? Are you confused about how to >locate and download an app to your idevice? > >Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy >Salmon and Korey Singleton, Assistive Technology >Initiative Manager for George Mason University >provide a list of the top accessible apps for >your idevices, explain how to check an app for >accessibility and features, and provide >step-by-step instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. > >This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be >moderated by Hadley Outreach Coordinator Billy >Brookshire. A question and answer session will >be included as part of the seminar. > >Space in this seminar is limited. Please only >register if you know you are available to attend >so that others are not closed out. To register >for Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this >link: http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 > >This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 19:10:30 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:10:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >> >>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >> >>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of >>the kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from >>whether preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to >>impress guests. >> >>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss >>their favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool” food preparation >>tips that work for the cook with a visual impairment. >> >>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider >>adding your favorite recipe, too! >> >>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know >>you are available to attend so that others are not closed out. To >>register for NO COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible >>Apps for Your iDevice >> >>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >> >>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code >>reading, apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you >>have an idevice (iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded >>with thousands of apps available for your device. Are you >>overwhelmed with the number of apps available for your idevice? Do >>you want to know more about the app before you download it to your >>device, such as features and accessibility? Are you confused about >>how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >> >>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey >>Singleton, Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason >>University provide a list of the top accessible apps for your >>idevices, explain how to check an app for accessibility and >>features, and provide step-by-step instructions on how to locate >>and download an app to your idevice. >> >>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer >>session will be included as part of the seminar. >> >>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know >>you are available to attend so that others are not closed out. To >>register for Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >> >>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jul 19 23:56:09 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:56:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that time doesn't work for me. Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want to talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. Also it says whether you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family or friends; whatever you need to do. Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and visually impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to the advanced cook who wants something simple. I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things sometimes. It does say they will discuss tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator is an option. We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food and keep tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who attends can judge afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >> >>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >> >>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress guests. >> >>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool” food preparation tips that >>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >> >>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>your favorite recipe, too! >> >>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are >>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO >>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>Your iDevice >> >>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >> >>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >> >>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, >>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >> >>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>be included as part of the seminar. >> >>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are >>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >> >>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 00:09:14 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:09:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi all, To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( busycooks.about.com ) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other cooking shortcuts. Arielle On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joeseph, > Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that > time doesn't work for me. > Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want to > talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. > Also it says whether > you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. > So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family or > friends; whatever you need to do. > Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and visually > impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. > I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its > probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to the > advanced cook who wants something simple. > I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things > sometimes. It does say they will discuss > tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like > adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But > we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to > do. > Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and > bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier > to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know > when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger > to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't > want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator > is an option. > We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of > food and keep tabs on what we are doing. > So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food > recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. > However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a > topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who attends > can judge afterward. > > Ashley > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: T. Joseph Carter > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. > > First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without > cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: > Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to > follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite > skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 > minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes > should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes > (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that > fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. > > Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the > unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking > food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep > skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill > mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. > > But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar > format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit > (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or > three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly > the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and > you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you > would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or > perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on > campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. > > Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>> >>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>> >>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress guests. >>> >>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>> >>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>your favorite recipe, too! >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO >>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>Your iDevice >>> >>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>> >>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>> >>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, >>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>> >>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>>be included as part of the seminar. >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>> >>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 00:22:26 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:22:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20110720002225.GQ31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Ashley, I’ve never heard of the NFB rejecting adaptive techniques. Never. I have heard the NFB reject the notion that we are incapable of doing the most basic things, or that we need to have someone teach us the means to do something as simple as change which arm we are using while walking with a sighted friend, or even more ridiculously, how to take a shower. When I learned something about cooking at the Colorado Center, I had to learn a great deal of adaptive techniques for working in the kitchen, and I still don’t consider myself to be particularly adept as a cook. I do worry that I am perhaps a little too eager to think the worst, and Hadley does not particularly stand out in my mind as being especially bad about having low expectations. It’s just that there are so many flags that go up with this one for me, I had to ask the question. If others didn’t see them the same way, then I won’t worry about it too much. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 07:56:09PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Joeseph, >Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but >that time doesn't work for me. >Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they >want to talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. >Also it says whether >you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. >So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, >family or friends; whatever you need to do. >Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and >visually impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. >I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its >probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook >to the advanced cook who wants something simple. >I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things >sometimes. It does say they will discuss >tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like >adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But >we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know >what to do. >Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans >and bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and >its easier to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators >to know >when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a >finger to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who >can't or don't want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator >is an option. >We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the >consistency of food and keep tabs on what we are doing. >So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food >recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. >However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such >a topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who >attends can judge afterward. > >Ashley > > > > >-----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter >Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK >Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your >iDevice > >I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. > >First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without >cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: >Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to >follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite >skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 >minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes >should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes >(though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that >fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. > >Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the >unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking >food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep >skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill >mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. > >But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar >format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit >(in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or >three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly >the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and >you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you >would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or >perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on >campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. > >Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. > >Joseph - KF7QZC > > >On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>> >>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>> >>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of >>>the kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from >>>whether preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something >>>to impress guests. >>> >>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss >>>their favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool” food >>>preparation tips that work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>> >>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build >>>a resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. >>>Consider adding your favorite recipe, too! >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you >>>know you are available to attend so that others are not closed >>>out. To register for NO COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this >>>link: http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible >>>Apps for Your iDevice >>> >>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>> >>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code >>>reading, apps for color identification, and apps for games. If >>>you have an idevice (iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are >>>bombarded with thousands of apps available for your device. Are >>>you overwhelmed with the number of apps available for your >>>idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before you >>>download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? >>>Are you confused about how to locate and download an app to your >>>idevice? >>> >>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey >>>Singleton, Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George >>>Mason University provide a list of the top accessible apps for >>>your idevices, explain how to check an app for accessibility and >>>features, and provide step-by-step instructions on how to locate >>>and download an app to your idevice. >>> >>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by >>>Hadley Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and >>>answer session will be included as part of the seminar. >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you >>>know you are available to attend so that others are not closed >>>out. To register for Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this >>>link: http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>> >>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 00:23:18 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:23:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20110720002318.GR31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Arielle, the BusyCooks site looks like a great resource, thanks! Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 06:09:14PM -0600, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Hi all, >To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( >busycooks.about.com >) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen >desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the >summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. >By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially >if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great >five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other >cooking shortcuts. > >Arielle > >On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Joeseph, >> Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that >> time doesn't work for me. >> Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want to >> talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. >> Also it says whether >> you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. >> So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family or >> friends; whatever you need to do. >> Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and visually >> impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. >> I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its >> probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to the >> advanced cook who wants something simple. >> I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things >> sometimes. It does say they will discuss >> tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like >> adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But >> we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to >> do. >> Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and >> bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier >> to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know >> when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger >> to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't >> want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator >> is an option. >> We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of >> food and keep tabs on what we are doing. >> So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food >> recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. >> However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a >> topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who attends >> can judge afterward. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: T. Joseph Carter >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and >> Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice >> >> I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. >> >> First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without >> cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: >> Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to >> follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite >> skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 >> minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes >> should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes >> (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that >> fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. >> >> Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the >> unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking >> food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep >> skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill >> mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. >> >> But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar >> format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit >> (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or >> three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly >> the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and >> you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you >> would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or >> perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on >> campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. >> >> Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. >> >> Joseph - KF7QZC >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>>> >>>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>>> >>>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress guests. >>>> >>>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>>> >>>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>>your favorite recipe, too! >>>> >>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are >>>> >>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO >>>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>>> >>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>>Your iDevice >>>> >>>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>>> >>>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>>> >>>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, >>>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>>> >>>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>>>be included as part of the seminar. >>>> >>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are >>>> >>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>>> >>>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 20 00:30:41 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:30:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: And ..... we also have list for blind cooks on nfbnet.org. To join either go to: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org or send e-mail to blind-cooks-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe in the subject line. Dave At 07:09 PM 7/19/2011, you wrote: >Hi all, >To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( >busycooks.about.com >) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen >desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the >summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. >By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially >if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great >five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other >cooking shortcuts. > >Arielle > >On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Joeseph, > > Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that > > time doesn't work for me. > > Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want to > > talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. > > Also it says whether > > you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. > > So therefore they are assuming that you will > prepare for yourself, family or > > friends; whatever you need to do. > > Hadley targets many many people including > teachers of the blind and visually > > impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. > > I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its > > probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to the > > advanced cook who wants something simple. > > I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things > > sometimes. It does say they will discuss > > tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like > > adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But > > we do need adaptive techniques and a newly > blind person may not know what to > > do. > > Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and > > bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier > > to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know > > when their cup is full of the desired liquid. > More often people use a finger > > to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't > > want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator > > is an option. > > We often use the sense of touch instead of > seeing to know the consistency of > > food and keep tabs on what we are doing. > > So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food > > recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. > > However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a > > topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who attends > > can judge afterward. > > > > Ashley > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: T. Joseph Carter > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and > > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > > > I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. > > > > First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without > > cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: > > Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to > > follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite > > skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 > > minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes > > should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes > > (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that > > fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. > > > > Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the > > unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking > > food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep > > skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill > > mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. > > > > But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar > > format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit > > (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or > > three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly > > the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and > > you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you > > would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or > > perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on > > campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. > > > > Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. > > > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! > >>> > >>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 > >>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT > >>> > >>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the > >>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether > >>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress guests. > >>> > >>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their > >>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that > >>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. > >>> > >>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a > >>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding > >>>your favorite recipe, too! > >>> > >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are > >>> > >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO > >>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: > >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 > >>> > >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for > >>>Your iDevice > >>> > >>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 > >>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT > >>> > >>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, > >>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice > >>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps > >>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps > >>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before > >>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are > >>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? > >>> > >>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, > >>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University > >>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how > >>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step > >>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. > >>> > >>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley > >>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will > >>>be included as part of the seminar. > >>> > >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are > >>> > >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for > >>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: > >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 > >>> > >>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: > >>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 From carlymih at earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 00:37:29 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis Esq.) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:37:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110719172603.01d1a9f8@earthlink.net> Hi, Joseph, 'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of no-cook recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, contained in the helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness whatsoever. Furthermore, I believe there are even occasions in which , no-cook food preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish would be inappropriate. To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations will do actual wonders for our social ambiguities, doncha think? Please, easy on the over reactions! for today, Car7/19/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to >attend a hadley webinar but that time doesn't >work for me. Maybe they are archived; the >wording of it says its summer and they want to >talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot >kitchen. Also it says whether you are preparing >for yourself or to impress guests. So therefore >they are assuming that you will prepare for >yourself, family or friends; whatever you need >to do. Hadley targets many many people including >teachers of the blind and visually impaired; >newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I >take it that this is an overview of cooking >ideas and recipies. Its probably something basic >that most could follow from the novice cook to >the advanced cook who wants something simple. I >didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read >more into things sometimes. It does say they >will discuss tips for people with visual >impairments; I know NFB people don't like >adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take >it or leave it. But we do need adaptive >techniques and a newly blind person may not know >what to do. Many blind cooks use a tray or >something to put their pots and pans and bowls >on while preparing food so any spills fall on >the tray and its easier to clean up. Some blind >people use liquid level indicators to know when >their cup is full of the desired liquid. More >often people use a finger to fill the bowl/cup >or judge by sound. But for those who can't or >don't want to use their finger, the liquid level >indicator is an option. We often use the sense >of touch instead of seeing to know the >consistency of food and keep tabs on what we are >doing. So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone >may want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just >decided to target it to blind people. However I >do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to >cover such a topic. But I guess that is all the >time they had. Well, anyone who attends can >judge afterward. Ashley -----Original >Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: >Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM To: National >Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming >Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for >Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice >I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being >overly sensitive. First, there’s the notion of >a seminar for preparing food without cooking >it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the >seminar itself: Most sighted people would never >expect a seminar to teach them how to follow a >recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the >requisite skills to do it. If you don’t have >the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 minute >webcast is going to help you get them. A list >of recipes should suffice, and indeed our own >Braille Monitor publishes recipes (though not >often the no-cooking variety) with the >assumption that fellow blind readers can follow >them if they are so inclined. Then there’s the >no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the >unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or >should not be cooking food. Any of you who live >alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep skill, >even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as >such, and your skill mostly consists of using a >microwave and boiling water. But as I said, >perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The >seminar format could allow for suggestions for >improving the recipes a bit (in which case an >hour seems too short for more than maybe two or >three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve >got in mind. Possibly the no-cook aspect has >more to do with the idea that it’s summer and >you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot >kitchen—or that you would prefer cold foods to >hot ones at this time of the year. Or perhaps >they are targeting this to college students who >live on campus and don’t have the means to >cook in any traditional way. Or maybe, it’s >because we’re blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, >Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews >wrote: > >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK >Cooking! >> >>Date: Wednesday, July 20, >2011 >>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >> >>Keep your >cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get >out of the >>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK >recipes to choose from whether >>preparing a >simple, fast meal for yourself or something to >impress guests. >> >>Panelists Patti Jacobson, >Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss >their >>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding >“coolâ€Â fo food preparation tips >that >>work for the cook with a visual >impairment. >> >>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a >few of her favorites as we build a >>resource >and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. >Consider adding >>your favorite recipe, >too! >> >>Space in this seminar is limited. >Please only register if you know you >are >>available to attend so that others are not >closed out. To register for NO >>COOK Cooking! >on July 20, follow this >link: >>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid= >94 >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for >Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>Your >iDevice >> >>Date: Thursday, July 21, >2011 >>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >> >>Apps for >money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar >code reading, >>apps for color identification, >and apps for games. If you have an >idevice >>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are >bombarded with thousands of apps >>available for >your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number >of apps >>available for your idevice? Do you >want to know more about the app before >>you >download it to your device, such as features and >accessibility? Are >>you confused about how to >locate and download an app to your >idevice? >> >>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley >Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey >Singleton, >>Assistive Technology Initiative >Manager for George Mason University >>provide a >list of the top accessible apps for your >idevices, explain how >>to check an app for >accessibility and features, and provide >step-by-step >>instructions on how to locate and >download an app to your idevice. >> >>This 60 >minute open discussion seminar will be moderated >by Hadley >>Outreach Coordinator Billy >Brookshire. A question and answer session >will >>be included as part of the >seminar. >> >>Space in this seminar is limited. >Please only register if you know you >are >>available to attend so that others are not >closed out. To register for >>Going Ape for Apps >on July 21, follow this >link: >>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid= >95 >> >>This message was sent to >Dandrews at visi.com from: >>The Hadley School for >the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL >60093 > > >______________________________________ >_________ >nabs-l mailing >list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/ma >ilman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info >for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/optio >ns/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > From carlymih at earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 00:42:31 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis Esq.) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:42:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110719173907.01d5e450@earthlink.net> Hi, Arielle, 'SSeems I myself, over reacted. In all actuality, it's no-cooking in cases of hot weather not blindness that is the issue, here! I plan to check out the site you offered up. for today, Car At 05:09 PM 7/19/2011, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Hi all, >To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( >busycooks.about.com >) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen >desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the >summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. >By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially >if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great >five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other >cooking shortcuts. > >Arielle > >On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Joeseph, > > Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that > > time doesn't work for me. > > Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want to > > talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. > > Also it says whether > > you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. > > So therefore they are assuming that you will > prepare for yourself, family or > > friends; whatever you need to do. > > Hadley targets many many people including > teachers of the blind and visually > > impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. > > I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its > > probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to the > > advanced cook who wants something simple. > > I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things > > sometimes. It does say they will discuss > > tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like > > adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But > > we do need adaptive techniques and a newly > blind person may not know what to > > do. > > Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and > > bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier > > to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know > > when their cup is full of the desired liquid. > More often people use a finger > > to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't > > want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator > > is an option. > > We often use the sense of touch instead of > seeing to know the consistency of > > food and keep tabs on what we are doing. > > So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food > > recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. > > However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a > > topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who attends > > can judge afterward. > > > > Ashley > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: T. Joseph Carter > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and > > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > > > I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. > > > > First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without > > cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: > > Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to > > follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite > > skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 > > minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes > > should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes > > (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that > > fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. > > > > Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the > > unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking > > food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep > > skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill > > mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. > > > > But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar > > format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit > > (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or > > three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly > > the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and > > you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you > > would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or > > perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on > > campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. > > > > Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. > > > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! > >>> > >>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 > >>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT > >>> > >>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the > >>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether > >>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress guests. > >>> > >>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their > >>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that > >>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. > >>> > >>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a > >>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding > >>>your favorite recipe, too! > >>> > >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are > >>> > >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO > >>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: > >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 > >>> > >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for > >>>Your iDevice > >>> > >>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 > >>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT > >>> > >>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, > >>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice > >>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps > >>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps > >>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before > >>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are > >>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? > >>> > >>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, > >>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University > >>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how > >>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step > >>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. > >>> > >>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley > >>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will > >>>be included as part of the seminar. > >>> > >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are > >>> > >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for > >>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: > >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 > >>> > >>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: > >>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_n > fbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 01:55:48 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:55:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net><08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Arielle, I agree. I think this was a seasonal cooking thing targeting blind cooks. Hadley has a good reputation and many blind people have benefited from their courses; while I haven't talked to a federationist about their webinars, I have talked about their distance ed classes and I've heard only positive things about them. Hadley has a course on parent, I think; so I think their expectations are reasonable. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice Hi all, To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( busycooks.about.com ) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other cooking shortcuts. Arielle On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joeseph, > Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that > time doesn't work for me. > Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want > to > talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. > Also it says whether > you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. > So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family > or > friends; whatever you need to do. > Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and > visually > impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. > I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its > probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to > the > advanced cook who wants something simple. > I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things > sometimes. It does say they will discuss > tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like > adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But > we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what > to > do. > Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and > bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its > easier > to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know > when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a > finger > to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't > want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator > is an option. > We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency > of > food and keep tabs on what we are doing. > So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food > recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. > However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a > topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who > attends > can judge afterward. > > Ashley > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: T. Joseph Carter > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! > and > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. > > First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without > cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: > Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to > follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite > skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 > minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes > should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes > (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that > fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. > > Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the > unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking > food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep > skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill > mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. > > But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar > format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit > (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or > three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly > the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and > you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you > would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or > perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on > campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. > > Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>> >>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>> >>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress >>>guests. >>> >>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>> >>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>your favorite recipe, too! >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO >>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>Your iDevice >>> >>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>> >>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>> >>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, >>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>> >>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>>be included as part of the seminar. >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>> >>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 01:56:14 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:56:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net><08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Arielle, I need to learn cooking. What is the website for busycooks? -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice Hi all, To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( busycooks.about.com ) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other cooking shortcuts. Arielle On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joeseph, > Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that > time doesn't work for me. > Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want > to > talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. > Also it says whether > you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. > So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family > or > friends; whatever you need to do. > Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and > visually > impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. > I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its > probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to > the > advanced cook who wants something simple. > I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things > sometimes. It does say they will discuss > tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like > adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But > we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what > to > do. > Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and > bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its > easier > to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know > when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a > finger > to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't > want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator > is an option. > We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency > of > food and keep tabs on what we are doing. > So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food > recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. > However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a > topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who > attends > can judge afterward. > > Ashley > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: T. Joseph Carter > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! > and > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. > > First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without > cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: > Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to > follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite > skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 > minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes > should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes > (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that > fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. > > Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the > unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking > food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep > skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill > mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. > > But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar > format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit > (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or > three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly > the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and > you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you > would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or > perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on > campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. > > Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>> >>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>> >>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress >>>guests. >>> >>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>> >>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>your favorite recipe, too! >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO >>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>Your iDevice >>> >>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>> >>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>> >>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, >>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>> >>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>>be included as part of the seminar. >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>> >>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 02:44:26 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:44:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: busycooks.about.com I like their "five-ingredient" and "four-ingredient" recipe sections the best, but they also have sections devoted to recipes with specific appliances, such as the microwave, crockpot and George Foreman grill. They have lots of tutorials along with the recipes, too! The only downside is that recipes tend to be designed to serve a family, so if you live alone, scale them down. Enjoy! Arielle On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Arielle, > I need to learn cooking. What is the website for busycooks? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:09 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > Hi all, > To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( > busycooks.about.com > ) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen > desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the > summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. > By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially > if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great > five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other > cooking shortcuts. > > Arielle > > On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Joeseph, >> Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that >> time doesn't work for me. >> Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want >> to >> talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. >> Also it says whether >> you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. >> So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family >> or >> friends; whatever you need to do. >> Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and >> visually >> impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. >> I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its >> probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to >> the >> advanced cook who wants something simple. >> I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things >> sometimes. It does say they will discuss >> tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like >> adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But >> we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what >> to >> do. >> Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and >> bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its >> easier >> to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know >> when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a >> finger >> to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't >> want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator >> is an option. >> We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency >> of >> food and keep tabs on what we are doing. >> So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food >> recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. >> However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a >> topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who >> attends >> can judge afterward. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: T. Joseph Carter >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! >> and >> Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice >> >> I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. >> >> First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without >> cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: >> Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to >> follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite >> skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 >> minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes >> should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes >> (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that >> fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. >> >> Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the >> unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking >> food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep >> skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill >> mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. >> >> But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar >> format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit >> (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or >> three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly >> the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and >> you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you >> would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or >> perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on >> campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. >> >> Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. >> >> Joseph - KF7QZC >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>>> >>>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>>> >>>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress >>>>guests. >>>> >>>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>>> >>>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>>your favorite recipe, too! >>>> >>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>>are >>>> >>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO >>>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>>> >>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>>Your iDevice >>>> >>>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>>> >>>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>>> >>>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, >>>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>>> >>>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>>>be included as part of the seminar. >>>> >>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>>are >>>> >>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>>> >>>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 02:54:31 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:54:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! andGoing Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice Message-ID: <4e26438f.4540e70a.4569.ffffc318@mx.google.com> Speaking=20of=20cooking,=20do=20they=20also=20have=20recipes=20for,=20say,= =20 Kosher/halal=20eaters=20and=20specific=20dietary=20needs=20such=20as=20vege= tarian=20 or=20vegan?=20=20Any=20cookbook=20should=20ave=20this=20as=20a=20resource=20= because=20 some=20people=20have=20dietary=20neeeds. Beth =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Arielle=20Silverman=20=20 wrote: =20Arielle, =20I=20need=20to=20learn=20cooking.=20What=20is=20the=20website=20for=20bus= ycooks? =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Arielle=20Silverman =20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20July=2019,=202011=208:09=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Fwd:=20Reminder-Upcoming=20Seminars:=20NO=20= COOK=20 Cooking!=20and =20Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps-Hot=20New=20Accessible=20Apps=20for=20Your=20iD= evice =20Hi=20all, =20To=20be=20fair=20to=20Hadley,=20I=20subscribe=20to=20a=20mainstream=20co= oking=20 E-newsletter=20( =20busycooks.about.com =20)=20and=20this=20week's=20issue=20was=20all=20about=20no-cook=20recipes,= =20frozen =20desserts,=20and=20other=20ways=20to=20stay=20cool=20in=20the=20kitchen=20= during=20the =20summer.=20So=20I=20think=20this=20is=20just=20a=20seasonal=20thing. =20By=20the=20way,=20I=20would=20highly=20recommend=20the=20BusyCooks=20web= site,=20 especially =20if=20you=20are=20just=20learning=20to=20cook.=20They=20have=20a=20lot=20= of=20great =20five-ingredient=20recipes=20(which=20save=20money=20as=20well=20as=20tim= e)=20and=20 other =20cooking=20shortcuts. =20Arielle =20On=207/19/11,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20 =20wrote: =20Joeseph, =20Actually,=20I=20found=20this=20fine.=20I=20want=20to=20attend=20a=20hadl= ey=20webinar=20=20 but=20that =20time=20doesn't=20work=20for=20me. =20Maybe=20they=20are=20archived;=20the=20wording=20of=20it=20says=20its=20= summer=20and=20 they=20want =20to =20talk=20about=20food=20prep=20that=20doesn't=20require=20a=20hot=20kitche= n. =20Also=20it=20says=20whether =20you=20are=20preparing=20for=20yourself=20or=20to=20impress=20guests. =20So=20therefore=20they=20are=20assuming=20that=20you=20will=20prepare=20f= or=20 yourself,=20family =20or =20friends;=20whatever=20you=20need=20to=20do. =20Hadley=20targets=20many=20many=20people=20including=20teachers=20of=20th= e=20blind=20 and =20visually =20impaired;=20newly=20blind=20adults=20and=20those=20blind=20from=20birth.= =20I=20take=20it=20that=20this=20is=20an=20overview=20of=20cooking=20ideas= =20and=20 recipies.=20Its =20probably=20something=20basic=20that=20most=20could=20follow=20from=20the= =20novice=20 cook=20to =20the =20advanced=20cook=20who=20wants=20something=20simple. =20I=20didn't=20find=20it=20offensive=20at=20all;=20I=20think=20we=20read=20= more=20into=20 things =20sometimes.=20It=20does=20say=20they=20will=20discuss =20tips=20for=20people=20with=20visual=20impairments;=20I=20know=20NFB=20pe= ople=20don't=20 like =20adaptive=20techniques=20sometimes,=20so=20you=20can=20take=20it=20or=20l= eave=20it.=20 But =20we=20do=20need=20adaptive=20techniques=20and=20a=20newly=20blind=20perso= n=20may=20not=20 know=20what =20to =20do. =20Many=20blind=20cooks=20use=20a=20tray=20or=20something=20to=20put=20thei= r=20=20pots=20and=20 pans=20and =20bowls=20on=20while=20preparing=20food=20so=20any=20spills=20fall=20on=20= the=20tray=20and=20 its =20easier =20to=20clean=20up.=20Some=20blind=20people=20use=20liquid=20level=20indica= tors=20=20to=20 know =20when=20their=20cup=20is=20full=20of=20the=20desired=20liquid.=20More=20o= ften=20people=20 use=20a =20finger =20to=20fill=20the=20bowl/cup=20or=20judge=20by=20sound.=20=20But=20for=20t= hose=20who=20can't=20 or=20don't =20want=20to=20use=20their=20finger,=20the=20liquid=20level=20indicator =20is=20an=20option. =20We=20often=20use=20the=20sense=20of=20touch=20instead=20of=20seeing=20to= =20know=20the=20 consistency =20of =20food=20and=20keep=20tabs=20on=20what=20we=20are=20doing. =20So=20those=20are=20adaptive=20techniques.=20=20Anyone=20may=20want=20sim= ple=20cold=20 food =20recipies;=20Hadley=20just=20decided=20to=20target=20it=20to=20blind=20pe= ople. =20However=20I=20do=20agree=20a=20sixty=20minute=20seminar=20is=20too=20sho= rt=20to=20cover=20 such=20a =20topic.=20But=20I=20guess=20that=20is=20all=20the=20time=20they=20had.=20= =20Well,=20anyone=20 who =20attends =20can=20judge=20afterward. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20T.=20Joseph=20Carter =20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20July=2019,=202011=203:10=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Fwd:=20Reminder-Upcoming=20Seminars:=20NO=20= COOK=20 Cooking! =20and =20Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps-Hot=20New=20Accessible=20Apps=20for=20Your=20iD= evice =20I=92m=20of=20two=20minds=20on=20this,=20perhaps=20I=92m=20being=20overly= =20sensitive. =20First,=20there=92s=20the=20notion=20of=20a=20seminar=20for=20preparing=20= food=20 without =20cooking=20it.=20=20Where=20do=20I=20begin?=20=20Let=92s=20start=20with=20= the=20seminar=20 itself: =20Most=20sighted=20people=20would=20never=20expect=20a=20seminar=20to=20te= ach=20them=20 how=20to =20follow=20a=20recipe.=20=20Either=20you=20can=20or=20you=20don=92t=20have= =20the=20requisite =20skills=20to=20do=20it.=20=20If=20you=20don=92t=20have=20the=20skills,=20= I=92m=20not=20sure=20how=20 a=2060 =20minute=20webcast=20is=20going=20to=20help=20you=20get=20them.=20=20A=20l= ist=20of=20recipes =20should=20suffice,=20and=20indeed=20our=20own=20Braille=20Monitor=20publi= shes=20 recipes =20(though=20not=20often=20the=20no-cooking=20variety)=20with=20the=20assum= ption=20 that =20fellow=20blind=20readers=20can=20follow=20them=20if=20they=20are=20so=20= inclined. =20Then=20there=92s=20the=20no=20cooking=20aspect.=20=20Inherently=20in=20t= his=20is=20the =20unavoidable=20assumption=20that=20the=20blind=20cannot=20or=20should=20n= ot=20be=20 cooking =20food.=20=20Any=20of=20you=20who=20live=20alone=20doubtlessly=20have=20SO= ME=20food=20prep =20skill,=20even=20if=20you=92ve=20never=20learned=20to=20"cook"=20as=20suc= h,=20and=20your=20 skill =20mostly=20consists=20of=20using=20a=20microwave=20and=20boiling=20water. =20But=20as=20I=20said,=20perhaps=20I=20am=20being=20overly=20sensitive.=20= =20The=20seminar =20format=20could=20allow=20for=20suggestions=20for=20improving=20the=20rec= ipes=20a=20 bit =20(in=20which=20case=20an=20hour=20seems=20too=20short=20for=20more=20than= =20maybe=20two=20 or =20three=20recipes),=20so=20maybe=20that=92s=20what=20they=92ve=20got=20in= =20mind.=20=20 Possibly =20the=20no-cook=20aspect=20has=20more=20to=20do=20with=20the=20idea=20that= =20it=92s=20summer=20 and =20you=20don=92t=20want=20to=20spend=20a=20lot=20of=20time=20in=20a=20hot=20= kitchen=97or=20that=20 you =20would=20prefer=20cold=20foods=20to=20hot=20ones=20at=20this=20time=20of= =20the=20year.=20=20 Or =20perhaps=20they=20are=20targeting=20this=20to=20college=20students=20who= =20live=20on =20campus=20and=20don=92t=20have=20the=20means=20to=20cook=20in=20any=20tra= ditional=20way. =20Or=20maybe,=20it=92s=20because=20we=92re=20blind. =20Joseph=20-=20KF7QZC =20On=20Tue,=20Jul=2019,=202011=20at=2001:17:55PM=20-0500,=20David=20Andrew= s=20wrote: Seminars at Hadley=20Presents:=20NO=20COOK=20Cooking! Date:=20Wednesday,=20July=2020,=202011 Time:=2010=20AM=20CDT,=2015:00=20GMT Keep=20your=20cool!=20It=20may=20be=20hot=20outside,=20but=20no=20need=20to= =20get=20out=20of=20 the kitchen.=20There=20are=20lots=20of=20NO=20COOK=20recipes=20to=20choose=20fr= om=20whether preparing=20a=20simple,=20fast=20meal=20for=20yourself=20or=20something=20t= o=20 impress guests. Panelists=20Patti=20Jacobson,=20Linn=20Sorge=20and=20Goldie=20Tarr=20will=20= discuss=20 their favorite=20NO=20COOK=20recipes,=20adding=20=E2=80=9Ccool=E2=80=20=20food=20= preparation=20tips=20 that work=20for=20the=20cook=20with=20a=20visual=20impairment. Moderator=20Dawn=20Turco=20will=20add=20a=20few=20of=20her=20favorites=20as= =20we=20build=20 a resource=20and=20recipe=20list=20during=20this=2060=20minute=20seminar.=20C= onsider=20 adding your=20favorite=20recipe,=20too! Space=20in=20this=20seminar=20is=20limited.=20Please=20only=20register=20if= =20you=20 know=20you are available=20to=20attend=20so=20that=20others=20are=20not=20closed=20out.=20= To=20 register=20for=20NO COOK=20Cooking!=20on=20July=2020,=20follow=20this=20link: http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=3D94 Seminars at Hadley=20Presents:=20Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps-How=20New=20Accessib= le=20 Apps=20for Your=20iDevice Date:=20Thursday,=20July=2021,=202011 Time:=206=20PM=20CDT,=2023:00=20GMT Apps=20for=20money=20identification,=20apps=20for=20GPS,=20apps=20for=20bar= =20code=20 reading, apps=20for=20color=20identification,=20and=20apps=20for=20games.=20If=20you= =20have=20an=20 idevice (iPhone,=20iPad=20or=20iPod=20Touch),=20you=20are=20bombarded=20with=20thou= sands=20of=20 apps available=20for=20your=20device.=20Are=20you=20overwhelmed=20with=20the=20n= umber=20of=20 apps available=20for=20your=20idevice?=20Do=20you=20want=20to=20know=20more=20ab= out=20the=20 app=20before you=20download=20it=20to=20your=20device,=20such=20as=20features=20and=20 accessibility?=20Are you=20confused=20about=20how=20to=20locate=20and=20download=20an=20app=20to= =20your=20 idevice? Join=20Seminars at Hadley=20as=20Hadley=20Instructor=20Amy=20Salmon=20and=20Ko= rey=20 Singleton, Assistive=20Technology=20Initiative=20Manager=20for=20George=20Mason=20 University provide=20a=20list=20of=20the=20top=20accessible=20apps=20for=20your=20idev= ices,=20 explain=20how to=20check=20an=20app=20for=20accessibility=20and=20features,=20and=20provi= de=20 step-by-step instructions=20on=20how=20to=20locate=20and=20download=20an=20app=20to=20yo= ur=20 idevice. This=2060=20minute=20open=20discussion=20seminar=20will=20be=20moderated=20= by=20 Hadley Outreach=20Coordinator=20Billy=20Brookshire.=20A=20question=20and=20answer= =20 session=20will be=20included=20as=20part=20of=20the=20seminar. Space=20in=20this=20seminar=20is=20limited.=20Please=20only=20register=20if= =20you=20 know=20you are available=20to=20attend=20so=20that=20others=20are=20not=20closed=20out.=20= To=20 register=20for Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps=20on=20July=2021,=20follow=20this=20link: http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=3D95 This=20message=20was=20sent=20to=20Dandrews at visi.com=20from: The=20Hadley=20School=20for=20the=20Blind=20|=20700=20Elm=20St.=20=20|=20Wi= nnetka,=20IL=20 60093 _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tj oseph%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 %40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 %40gmail..com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 03:10:19 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:10:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net><08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <39EB1977C10D4E48B04F918C9FEC8DCA@OwnerPC> Thanks Arielle. Sounds like it has recipies targeting many skill levels and ideas for different appliances in the kitchen. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice busycooks.about.com I like their "five-ingredient" and "four-ingredient" recipe sections the best, but they also have sections devoted to recipes with specific appliances, such as the microwave, crockpot and George Foreman grill. They have lots of tutorials along with the recipes, too! The only downside is that recipes tend to be designed to serve a family, so if you live alone, scale them down. Enjoy! Arielle On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Arielle, > I need to learn cooking. What is the website for busycooks? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:09 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! > and > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > Hi all, > To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( > busycooks.about.com > ) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen > desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the > summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. > By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially > if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great > five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other > cooking shortcuts. > > Arielle > > On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Joeseph, >> Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that >> time doesn't work for me. >> Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want >> to >> talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. >> Also it says whether >> you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. >> So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family >> or >> friends; whatever you need to do. >> Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and >> visually >> impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. >> I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its >> probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to >> the >> advanced cook who wants something simple. >> I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things >> sometimes. It does say they will discuss >> tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like >> adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But >> we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what >> to >> do. >> Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and >> bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its >> easier >> to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know >> when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a >> finger >> to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't >> want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator >> is an option. >> We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency >> of >> food and keep tabs on what we are doing. >> So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food >> recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. >> However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a >> topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who >> attends >> can judge afterward. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: T. Joseph Carter >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! >> and >> Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice >> >> I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. >> >> First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without >> cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: >> Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to >> follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite >> skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 >> minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes >> should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes >> (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that >> fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. >> >> Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the >> unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking >> food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep >> skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill >> mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. >> >> But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar >> format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit >> (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or >> three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly >> the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and >> you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you >> would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or >> perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on >> campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. >> >> Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. >> >> Joseph - KF7QZC >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>>> >>>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>>> >>>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress >>>>guests. >>>> >>>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>>> >>>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>>your favorite recipe, too! >>>> >>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>>are >>>> >>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>>NO >>>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>>> >>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>>Your iDevice >>>> >>>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>>> >>>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an >>>>idevice >>>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app >>>>before >>>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>>> >>>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey >>>>Singleton, >>>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>>> >>>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session >>>>will >>>>be included as part of the seminar. >>>> >>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>>are >>>> >>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>>> >>>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 05:32:31 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:32:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110719172603.01d1a9f8@earthlink.net> References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110719172603.01d1a9f8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20110720053231.GU31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Carly, Are you saying that we may not dare to ask certain questions if they may upset the sighted public, even here amongst our blind peers? If so, I emphatically disagree, but I am not sure I am understanding you correctly. I asked an honest question of the members of the NABS list, as to whether or not this seminar by Hadley—an organization that deals in blindness and nothing but—seemed condescending at all to anyone else. It did to me, but I acknowledged in the asking that I’m basically cynical and jaded about such things. I accept that the majority opinion is that no, there’s nothing wrong with Hadley’s seminar. But I make no apology whatsoever for asking the question on an NFB list. The missing of the NFB is to attain equality for the blind by giving us the means to be regarded as any other non-blind person, and then treating us accordingly. We cannot do that if, even within our own organization, we cannot discuss whether or not those who provide us with services are working toward that goal or against it. Some of us are perhaps overly sensitive to these issues, and I certainly count myself among them. But that’s why I asked the question here, on an NFB list, to other generally like-minded blind people. I did not put the question out to the sighted public, who generally wouldn’t be expected to understand what the big deal is (even my own sighted friends and loved ones wouldn’t get it!) If we start mincing words here, then the next time some ignorant sightie (yes, I said ignorant sightie) comes up to one of us as we’re walking down the street and says, "You’re doing SUCH A GOOD JOB," we’re likely to get the idea that we should accept the "compliment" we’re being given, despite the fact that walking is a task most two year olds have largely mastered. How else would we know it was acceptable to consider that a sign of ignorance we should correct if we can? Or that it was okay to maybe be a little offended ourselves that this is what we are reduced to in that person’s estimation? I’m not generally known for political correctness. I’m certainly not known for it regarding blindness on NFB mailing lists. I do not expect that will change in the near future. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:37:29PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > > >Hi, Joseph, > >'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of no-cook >recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, contained in >the helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness >whatsoever. Furthermore, I believe there are even occasions in which >, no-cook food preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish >would be inappropriate. > >To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations will >do actual wonders for our social ambiguities, doncha think? >Please, easy on the over reactions! >for today, >Car7/19/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley >>webinar but that time doesn't work for me. Maybe they are >>archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want to talk >>about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. Also it says >>whether you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. So >>therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, >>family or friends; whatever you need to do. Hadley targets many >>many people including teachers of the blind and visually impaired; >>newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I take it that this >>is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its probably >>something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to the >>advanced cook who wants something simple. I didn't find it >>offensive at all; I think we read more into things sometimes. It >>does say they will discuss tips for people with visual impairments; >>I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques sometimes, so you >>can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive techniques and a >>newly blind person may not know what to do. Many blind cooks use a >>tray or something to put their pots and pans and bowls on while >>preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to >>clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know >>when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use >>a finger to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who >>can't or don't want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator >>is an option. We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to >>know the consistency of food and keep tabs on what we are doing. So >>those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food >>recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. However >>I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a >>topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who >>attends can judge afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- >>From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM To: >>National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: >>[nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and >>Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice I’m >>of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. First, >>there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without >>cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar >>itself: Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach >>them how to follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have >>the requisite skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, >>I’m not sure how a 60 minute webcast is going to help you get >>them. A list of recipes should suffice, and indeed our own Braille >>Monitor publishes recipes (though not often the no-cooking variety) >>with the assumption that fellow blind readers can follow them if >>they are so inclined. Then there’s the no cooking aspect. >>Inherently in this is the unavoidable assumption that the blind >>cannot or should not be cooking food. Any of you who live alone >>doubtlessly have SOME food prep skill, even if you’ve never >>learned to "cook" as such, and your skill mostly consists of using >>a microwave and boiling water. But as I said, perhaps I am being >>overly sensitive. The seminar format could allow for suggestions >>for improving the recipes a bit (in which case an hour seems too >>short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe that’s >>what they’ve got in mind. Possibly the no-cook aspect has more >>to do with the idea that it’s summer and you don’t want to >>spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you would prefer cold >>foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or perhaps they are >>targeting this to college students who live on campus and don’t >>have the means to cook in any traditional way. Or maybe, it’s >>because we’re blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at >>01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> >>Seminars at Hadley >>Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >> >>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >> >>Keep your cool! It may be hot >>outside, but no need to get out of the >>kitchen. There are lots of >>NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>preparing a simple, fast >>meal for yourself or something to impress guests. >> >>Panelists >>Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “coolâ€Â fo food >>preparation tips that >>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>>> >>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we >>build a >>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. >>Consider adding >>your favorite recipe, too! >> >>Space in this >>seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you are >>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To >>register for NO >>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid= 94 >> >>Seminars at Hadley >>Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>Your >>iDevice >> >>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 >>GMT >> >>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar >>code reading, >>apps for color identification, and apps for games. >>If you have an idevice >>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are >>bombarded with thousands of apps >>available for your device. Are >>you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>available for your >>idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>you >>download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your >>idevice? >> >>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon >>and Korey Singleton, >>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for >>George Mason University >>provide a list of the top accessible apps >>for your idevices, explain how >>to check an app for accessibility >>and features, and provide step-by-step >>instructions on how to >>locate and download an app to your idevice. >> >>This 60 minute >>open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>Outreach >>Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>>>be included as part of the seminar. >> >>Space in this seminar is >>limited. Please only register if you know you are >>available to >>attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>Going >>Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid= 95 >> >>This message >>was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>The Hadley School for the >>Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 > > >>>______________________________________ _________ >nabs-l mailing >>list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/ma >>ilman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list >>options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/optio >>ns/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>_______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >>unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>_______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >>unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Wed Jul 20 05:41:25 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:41:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: <20110720053231.GU31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110719172603.01d1a9f8@earthlink.net> <20110720053231.GU31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I think it is really important that we have discussions like this. Whether or not you believe that their is anything wrong with this seminar, putting the question out there makes us question our belief systems and think more deeply about what we are doing. The reason this is important is so that we can learn more, grow, and change our viewpoints if need be. As ideological as that sounds, my point is we should feel comfortable asking the list questions and polling responses. If we start to question what we can and can't say, should and shouldn't post, we will begin to lose some of the value. I am now finished rambling! Have a good one all. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:32 AM, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > Carly, > > Are you saying that we may not dare to ask certain questions if they may > upset the sighted public, even here amongst our blind peers? If so, I > emphatically disagree, but I am not sure I am understanding you correctly. > > I asked an honest question of the members of the NABS list, as to whether > or not this seminar by Hadley—an organization that deals in blindness and > nothing but—seemed condescending at all to anyone else. It did to me, but I > acknowledged in the asking that I’m basically cynical and jaded about such > things. > > I accept that the majority opinion is that no, there’s nothing wrong with > Hadley’s seminar. But I make no apology whatsoever for asking the question > on an NFB list. > > The missing of the NFB is to attain equality for the blind by giving us the > means to be regarded as any other non-blind person, and then treating us > accordingly. We cannot do that if, even within our own organization, we > cannot discuss whether or not those who provide us with services are working > toward that goal or against it. > > Some of us are perhaps overly sensitive to these issues, and I certainly > count myself among them. But that’s why I asked the question here, on an > NFB list, to other generally like-minded blind people. I did not put the > question out to the sighted public, who generally wouldn’t be expected to > understand what the big deal is (even my own sighted friends and loved ones > wouldn’t get it!) > > If we start mincing words here, then the next time some ignorant sightie > (yes, I said ignorant sightie) comes up to one of us as we’re walking down > the street and says, "You’re doing SUCH A GOOD JOB," we’re likely to get the > idea that we should accept the "compliment" we’re being given, despite the > fact that walking is a task most two year olds have largely mastered. How > else would we know it was acceptable to consider that a sign of ignorance we > should correct if we can? Or that it was okay to maybe be a little offended > ourselves that this is what we are reduced to in that person’s estimation? > > I’m not generally known for political correctness. I’m certainly not known > for it regarding blindness on NFB mailing lists. I do not expect that will > change in the near future. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:37:29PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, Joseph, >> >> 'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of no-cook >> recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, contained in the >> helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness whatsoever. >> Furthermore, I believe there are even occasions in which , no-cook food >> preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish would be >> inappropriate. >> >> To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations will do >> actual wonders for our social ambiguities, doncha think? >> Please, easy on the over reactions! >> for today, >> Car7/19/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> >>> Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar >>> but that time doesn't work for me. Maybe they are archived; the wording of >>> it says its summer and they want to talk about food prep that doesn't >>> require a hot kitchen. Also it says whether you are preparing for yourself >>> or to impress guests. So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare >>> for yourself, family or friends; whatever you need to do. Hadley targets >>> many many people including teachers of the blind and visually impaired; >>> newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I take it that this is an >>> overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its probably something basic that >>> most could follow from the novice cook to the advanced cook who wants >>> something simple. I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more >>> into things sometimes. It does say they will discuss tips for people with >>> visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques >>> sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive >>> techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. Many blind >>> cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and bowls on while >>> preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to clean up. >>> Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know when their cup is >>> full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger to fill the >>> bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't want to use >>> their finger, the liquid level indicator is an option. We often use the >>> sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food and keep >>> tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may >>> want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind >>> people. However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such >>> a topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who >>> attends can judge afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T. >>> Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM To: National Association >>> of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming >>> Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps >>> for Your iDevice I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly >>> sensitive. First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food >>> without cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar >>> itself: Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how >>> to follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite skills >>> to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 minute >>> webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes should suffice, >>> and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes (though not often the >>> no-cooking variety) with the assumption that fellow blind readers can follow >>> them if they are so inclined. Then there’s the no cooking aspect. >>> Inherently in this is the unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or >>> should not be cooking food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME >>> food prep skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your >>> skill mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. But as I said, >>> perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar format could allow for >>> suggestions for improving the recipes a bit (in which case an hour seems too >>> short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe that’s what >>> they’ve got in mind. Possibly the no-cook aspect has more to do with the >>> idea that it’s summer and you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot >>> kitchen—or that you would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the >>> year. Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on >>> campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. Or maybe, >>> it’s because we’re blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at >>> 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents: >>> NO COOK Cooking! >> >>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>> >>>> Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >> >>Keep your cool! It may be hot >>>>> >>>> outside, but no need to get out of the >>kitchen. There are lots of NO >>> COOK recipes to choose from whether >>preparing a simple, fast meal for >>> yourself or something to impress guests. >> >>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn >>> Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>> >>>> favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “coolâ€Â fo food >>>>> >>>> preparation tips that >>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>> >>>> >>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we >>>>> >>>> build a >>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. >>> Consider adding >>your favorite recipe, too! >> >>Space in this seminar is >>> limited. Please only register if you know you are >>> >>>> available to attend so that others are not closed out. To >>>>> >>>> register for NO >>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>> >>>> http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=94 >> >>Seminars at Hadley >>>>> >>>> Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>Your iDevice >>> >> >>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >> >>Apps for >>> money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>apps for >>> color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>(iPhone, >>> iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>available >>> for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>available for >>> your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>you download >>> it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>> >>>> you confused about how to locate and download an app to your >>>>> >>>> idevice? >> >>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and >>> Korey Singleton, >>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason >>> University >>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, >>> explain how >>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide >>> step-by-step >>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your >>> idevice. >> >>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by >>> Hadley >>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer >>> session will >>> >>>> be included as part of the seminar. >> >>Space in this seminar is >>>>> >>>> limited. Please only register if you know you are >>available to attend >>> so that others are not closed out. To register for >>Going Ape for Apps on >>> July 21, follow this link: >>> >>>> http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=95 >> >>This message >>>>> >>>> was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>The Hadley School for the Blind | >>> 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 > > >>> >>>> ______________________________**________ _________ >nabs-l mailing >>>> >>> list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/ma ilman/listinfo/ >>> nabs-l_nfbnet.**org >To unsubscribe, change >>> your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**optio >>>> >>> ns/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.**tjoseph%40gmail.com______________________________ >>> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net______________________________ >>> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> carlymih%40earthlink.net >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 06:17:00 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:17:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110719172603.01d1a9f8@earthlink.net> <20110720053231.GU31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110719231400.01d42218@earthlink.net> Hi, David, 'Couldn't agree more! I was horrified to see how, comments I made, caused Joseph to remind us that, he is not known for his political correctness, particularly on an NFB List. Politically correct? Not I! for today, Car I PM 7/19/2011, David Dodge wrote: >Hello Everyone, >I think it is really important that we have discussions like this. Whether >or not you believe that their is anything wrong with this seminar, putting >the question out there makes us question our belief systems and think more >deeply about what we are doing. The reason this is important is so that we >can learn more, grow, and change our viewpoints if need be. > >As ideological as that sounds, my point is we should feel comfortable asking >the list questions and polling responses. If we start to question what we >can and can't say, should and shouldn't post, we will begin to lose some of >the value. I am now finished rambling! Have a good one all. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:32 AM, T. Joseph Carter >wrote: > > > Carly, > > > > Are you saying that we may not dare to ask certain questions if they may > > upset the sighted public, even here amongst our blind peers? If so, I > > emphatically disagree, but I am not sure I am understanding you correctly. > > > > I asked an honest question of the members of the NABS list, as to whether > > or not this seminar by Hadley—an organization that deals in blindness and > > nothing but—seemed condescending at all to > anyone else. It did to me, but I > > acknowledged in the asking that I’m basically cynical and jaded about such > > things. > > > > I accept that the majority opinion is that no, there’s nothing wrong with > > Hadley’s seminar. But I make no apology whatsoever for asking the question > > on an NFB list. > > > > The missing of the NFB is to attain equality for the blind by giving us the > > means to be regarded as any other non-blind person, and then treating us > > accordingly. We cannot do that if, even within our own organization, we > > cannot discuss whether or not those who > provide us with services are working > > toward that goal or against it. > > > > Some of us are perhaps overly sensitive to these issues, and I certainly > > count myself among them. But that’s why I asked the question here, on an > > NFB list, to other generally like-minded blind people. I did not put the > > question out to the sighted public, who generally wouldn’t be expected to > > understand what the big deal is (even my own sighted friends and loved ones > > wouldn’t get it!) > > > > If we start mincing words here, then the next time some ignorant sightie > > (yes, I said ignorant sightie) comes up to one of us as we’re walking down > > the street and says, "You’re doing SUCH A > GOOD JOB," we’re likely to get the > > idea that we should accept the "compliment" we’re being given, despite the > > fact that walking is a task most two year olds have largely mastered. How > > else would we know it was acceptable to > consider that a sign of ignorance we > > should correct if we can? Or that it was > okay to maybe be a little offended > > ourselves that this is what we are reduced to in that person’s estimation? > > > > I’m not generally known for political correctness. I’m certainly not known > > for it regarding blindness on NFB mailing lists. I do not expect that will > > change in the near future. > > > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:37:29PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hi, Joseph, > >> > >> 'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of no-cook > >> recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, contained in the > >> helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness whatsoever. > >> Furthermore, I believe there are even occasions in which , no-cook food > >> preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish would be > >> inappropriate. > >> > >> To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations will do > >> actual wonders for our social ambiguities, doncha think? > >> Please, easy on the over reactions! > >> for today, > >> Car7/19/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > >> > >>> Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar > >>> but that time doesn't work for me. Maybe > they are archived; the wording of > >>> it says its summer and they want to talk about food prep that doesn't > >>> require a hot kitchen. Also it says whether > you are preparing for yourself > >>> or to impress guests. So therefore they are > assuming that you will prepare > >>> for yourself, family or friends; whatever you need to do. Hadley targets > >>> many many people including teachers of the blind and visually impaired; > >>> newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I take it that this is an > >>> overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its probably something basic that > >>> most could follow from the novice cook to the advanced cook who wants > >>> something simple. I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more > >>> into things sometimes. It does say they will discuss tips for people with > >>> visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques > >>> sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive > >>> techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. Many blind > >>> cooks use a tray or something to put > their pots and pans and bowls on while > >>> preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to clean up. > >>> Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know when their cup is > >>> full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger to fill the > >>> bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't want to use > >>> their finger, the liquid level indicator is an option. We often use the > >>> sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food and keep > >>> tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may > >>> want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind > >>> people. However I do agree a sixty minute > seminar is too short to cover such > >>> a topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who > >>> attends can judge afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T. > >>> Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 > 3:10 PM To: National Association > >>> of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: > [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming > >>> Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps > >>> for Your iDevice I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly > >>> sensitive. First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food > >>> without cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar > >>> itself: Most sighted people would never > expect a seminar to teach them how > >>> to follow a recipe. Either you can or you > don’t have the requisite skills > >>> to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 minute > >>> webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes should suffice, > >>> and indeed our own Braille Monitor > publishes recipes (though not often the > >>> no-cooking variety) with the assumption > that fellow blind readers can follow > >>> them if they are so inclined. Then there’s the no cooking aspect. > >>> Inherently in this is the unavoidable > assumption that the blind cannot or > >>> should not be cooking food. Any of you who > live alone doubtlessly have SOME > >>> food prep skill, even if you’ve never > learned to "cook" as such, and your > >>> skill mostly consists of using a microwave > and boiling water. But as I said, > >>> perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar format could allow for > >>> suggestions for improving the recipes a bit > (in which case an hour seems too > >>> short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe that’s what > >>> they’ve got in mind. Possibly the > no-cook aspect has more to do with the > >>> idea that it’s summer and you don’t > want to spend a lot of time in a hot > >>> kitchen—or that you would prefer cold > foods to hot ones at this time of the > >>> year. Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on > >>> campus and don’t have the means to cook > in any traditional way. Or maybe, > >>> it’s because we’re blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at > >>> 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents: > >>> NO COOK Cooking! >> >>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 > >>> > >>>> Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >> >>Keep your cool! It may be hot > >>>>> > >>>> outside, but no need to get out of the >>kitchen. There are lots of NO > >>> COOK recipes to choose from whether >>preparing a simple, fast meal for > >>> yourself or something to impress > guests. >> >>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn > >>> Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their > >>> > >>>> favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “coolâ€Â fo food > >>>>> > >>>> preparation tips that >>work for the cook with a visual impairment. > >>> > >>>> >>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we > >>>>> > >>>> build a >>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. > >>> Consider adding >>your favorite recipe, > too! >> >>Space in this seminar is > >>> limited. Please only register if you know you are > >>> > >>>> available to attend so that others are not closed out. To > >>>>> > >>>> register for NO >>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: > >>> > >>>> > http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=94 > >> >>Seminars at Hadley > >>>>> > >>>> Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>Your iDevice > >>> >> >>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>Time: > 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >> >>Apps for > >>> money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>apps for > >>> color identification, and apps for games. > If you have an idevice >>(iPhone, > >>> iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>available > >>> for your device. Are you overwhelmed with > the number of apps >>available for > >>> your idevice? Do you want to know more > about the app before >>you download > >>> it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are > >>> > >>>> you confused about how to locate and download an app to your > >>>>> > >>>> idevice? >> >>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and > >>> Korey Singleton, >>Assistive Technology > Initiative Manager for George Mason > >>> University >>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, > >>> explain how >>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide > >>> step-by-step >>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your > >>> idevice. >> >>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by > >>> Hadley >>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer > >>> session will > >>> > >>>> be included as part of the seminar. >> >>Space in this seminar is > >>>>> > >>>> limited. Please only register if you know you are >>available to attend > >>> so that others are not closed out. To > register for >>Going Ape for Apps on > >>> July 21, follow this link: > >>> > >>>> > http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=95 > >> >>This message > >>>>> > >>>> was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>The Hadley School for the Blind | > >>> 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 > > > >>> > >>>> ______________________________**________ _________ >nabs-l mailing > >>>> > >>> list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/ma ilman/listinfo/ > >>> nabs-l_nfbnet.**org >To unsubscribe, change > >>> your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >>> > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**optio > >>>> > >>> > ns/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.**tjoseph%40gmail.com______________________________ > >>> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >>> > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net______________________________ > >>> **_________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >>> > carlymih%40earthlink.net > >>> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> > carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >> > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 22:03:49 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:03:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: dream - survey responses needed Message-ID: <4e2750e0.47c3ec0a.639a.3784@mx.google.com> I think many of you, especially those of you on the NABS list, would be able to help here. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote Hello all, Apologies for cross-posting but we are trying to get this out to as many people as possible. DREAM - a new organization for post-secondary students with disabilities is inviting all of those interested in the organization (whether it be start up, member, or other) to take a survey to help us grow and guide our organization to fit the needs of the growing community of post-secondary students with disabilities, disability studies faculty and staff, disabled service providers, and allies. Some of the questions are for members only - if you would like to become a member you can do so for FREE at our website: http://www.dreamforpostsecondarystudents.weebly.com - You can still answer the questions if you are planning on joining otherwise you can skip these questions. The survey is anonymous. The survey can be found at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WNYDRX3 Thank you for your time and help in this matter, Michelle White When replying to a message please delete the message that you are replying to. Doing this will allow people who subscribe to the digest version of the list to receive messages in a condensed form. Also this will generally free up the list and not "clog" inboxes. Also when posting articles please only post a link with a brief summary of the article instead of posting the entire article. This is done to respect copyright laws. _______________________________________________ acb-l mailing list acb-l at acb.org http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/acb-l From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 22:16:55 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:16:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Fwd: [Nfbf-l] new lunar book for the blind, Message-ID: <4e2753f2.85bfec0a.51ff.3678@mx.google.com> This is cool! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: Matt Roberts From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 22:16:51 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:16:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! andGoing Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice Message-ID: <4e2753ef.85bfec0a.51ff.3676@mx.google.com> And=20I=20like=20that!=20Bring=20on=20the=20political=20incorrectness!=20:)= =20The=20 political=20correctness=20is=20Dr.=20=20Maurer's=20job,=20right?=20:) =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Carly=20Mihalakis=20,National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20 mailing=20list=20wrote: =20Carly, =20Are=20you=20saying=20that=20we=20may=20not=20dare=20to=20ask=20certain=20= questions=20if=20 they=20may =20upset=20the=20sighted=20public,=20even=20here=20amongst=20our=20blind=20= peers?=20=20If=20 so,=20I =20emphatically=20disagree,=20but=20I=20am=20not=20sure=20I=20am=20understa= nding=20you=20 correctly. =20I=20asked=20an=20honest=20question=20of=20the=20members=20of=20the=20NAB= S=20list,=20as=20 to=20whether =20or=20not=20this=20seminar=20by=20Hadley=97an=20organization=20that=20dea= ls=20in=20 blindness=20and =20nothing=20but=97seemed=20condescending=20at=20all=20to =20anyone=20else.=20=20It=20did=20to=20me,=20but=20I =20acknowledged=20in=20the=20asking=20that=20I=92m=20basically=20cynical=20= and=20jaded=20 about=20such =20things. =20I=20accept=20that=20the=20majority=20opinion=20is=20that=20no,=20there=92= s=20nothing=20 wrong=20with =20Hadley=92s=20seminar.=20=20But=20I=20make=20no=20apology=20whatsoever=20= for=20asking=20 the=20question =20on=20an=20NFB=20list. =20The=20missing=20of=20the=20NFB=20is=20to=20attain=20equality=20for=20the= =20blind=20by=20 giving=20us=20the =20means=20to=20be=20regarded=20as=20any=20other=20non-blind=20person,=20an= d=20then=20 treating=20us =20accordingly.=20=20We=20cannot=20do=20that=20if,=20even=20within=20our=20= own=20 organization,=20we =20cannot=20discuss=20whether=20or=20not=20those=20who =20provide=20us=20with=20services=20are=20working =20toward=20that=20goal=20or=20against=20it. =20Some=20of=20us=20are=20perhaps=20overly=20sensitive=20to=20these=20issue= s,=20and=20I=20 certainly =20count=20myself=20among=20them.=20=20But=20that=92s=20why=20I=20asked=20t= he=20question=20 here,=20on=20an =20NFB=20list,=20to=20other=20generally=20like-minded=20blind=20people.=20= =20I=20did=20 not=20put=20the =20question=20out=20to=20the=20sighted=20public,=20who=20generally=20wouldn= =92t=20be=20 expected=20to =20understand=20what=20the=20big=20deal=20is=20(even=20my=20own=20sighted=20= friends=20and=20 loved=20ones =20wouldn=92t=20get=20it!) =20If=20we=20start=20mincing=20words=20here,=20then=20the=20next=20time=20s= ome=20ignorant=20 sightie =20(yes,=20I=20said=20ignorant=20sightie)=20comes=20up=20to=20one=20of=20us= =20as=20we=92re=20 walking=20down =20the=20street=20and=20says,=20"You=92re=20doing=20SUCH=20A =20GOOD=20JOB,"=20we=92re=20likely=20to=20get=20the =20idea=20that=20we=20should=20accept=20the=20"compliment"=20we=92re=20bein= g=20given,=20 despite=20the =20fact=20that=20walking=20is=20a=20task=20most=20two=20year=20olds=20have= =20largely=20 mastered.=20=20How =20else=20would=20we=20know=20it=20was=20acceptable=20to =20consider=20that=20a=20sign=20of=20ignorance=20we =20should=20correct=20if=20we=20can?=20=20Or=20that=20it=20was =20okay=20to=20maybe=20be=20a=20little=20offended =20ourselves=20that=20this=20is=20what=20we=20are=20reduced=20to=20in=20tha= t=20person=92s=20 estimation? =20I=92m=20not=20generally=20known=20for=20political=20correctness.=20=20I= =92m=20 certainly=20not=20known =20for=20it=20regarding=20blindness=20on=20NFB=20mailing=20lists.=20=20I=20= do=20not=20 expect=20that=20will =20change=20in=20the=20near=20future. =20Joseph=20-=20KF7QZC =20On=20Tue,=20Jul=2019,=202011=20at=2005:37:29PM=20-0700,=20Carly=20Mihala= kis=20Esq.=20=20 wrote: =20Hi,=20Joseph, =20'Seems=20to=20me,=20a=20response=20such=20as=20that=20elicited=20by=20an= =20idea=20of=20 no-cook =20recipes=20was,=20in=20a=20word=20a=20little=20uncalled=20for,=20as=20the= re,=20 contained=20in=20the =20helpful=20sharing=20of=20cookless=20recipes=20no=20mention=20of=20blindn= ess=20 whatsoever. =20Furthermore,=20I=20believe=20there=20are=20=20even=20occasions=20in=20wh= ich=20,=20 no-cook=20food =20preparation=20is=20in=20order=20and,=20actually=20preparing=20a=20dish=20= would=20be =20inappropriate. =20To=20Alienate=20both=20main=20stream=20folk,=20as=20well=20as=20other=20= populations=20 will=20do =20actual=20wonders=20for=20our=20social=20=20ambiguities,=20doncha=20think= ? =20Please,=20easy=20on=20the=20over=20reactions! =20for=20today, =20Car7/19/2011,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20wrote: =20Joeseph,=20Actually,=20I=20found=20this=20fine.=20=20I=20want=20to=20att= end=20a=20hadley=20 webinar =20=20but=20that=20time=20doesn't=20work=20for=20me.=20=20Maybe =20they=20are=20archived;=20the=20wording=20of =20it=20says=20its=20summer=20and=20they=20want=20to=20talk=20about=20food= =20prep=20that=20 doesn't =20require=20a=20hot=20kitchen.=20=20Also=20it=20says=20whether =20you=20are=20preparing=20for=20yourself =20or=20to=20impress=20guests.=20=20So=20therefore=20they=20are =20assuming=20that=20you=20will=20prepare =20for=20yourself,=20family=20or=20friends;=20whatever=20you=20need=20to=20= do.=20=20 Hadley=20targets =20many=20many=20people=20including=20teachers=20of=20the=20blind=20and=20v= isually=20 impaired; =20newly=20blind=20adults=20and=20those=20blind=20from=20birth.=20=20I=20ta= ke=20it=20that=20 this=20is=20an =20overview=20of=20cooking=20ideas=20and=20recipies.=20=20Its=20probably=20= something=20 basic=20that =20most=20could=20follow=20from=20the=20novice=20cook=20to=20the=20advanced= =20cook=20who=20 wants =20something=20simple.=20=20I=20didn't=20find=20it=20offensive=20at=20all;= =20I=20think=20we=20 read=20more =20into=20things=20sometimes.=20=20It=20does=20say=20they=20will=20discuss= =20tips=20for=20 people=20with =20visual=20impairments;=20I=20know=20NFB=20people=20don't=20like=20adaptiv= e=20 techniques =20sometimes,=20so=20you=20can=20take=20it=20or=20leave=20it.=20=20But=20we= =20do=20need=20 adaptive =20techniques=20and=20a=20newly=20blind=20person=20may=20not=20know=20what= =20to=20do.=20=20 Many=20blind =20cooks=20use=20a=20tray=20or=20something=20to=20put =20their=20=20pots=20and=20pans=20and=20bowls=20on=20while =20preparing=20food=20so=20any=20spills=20fall=20on=20the=20tray=20and=20it= s=20easier=20to=20 clean=20up. =20Some=20blind=20people=20use=20liquid=20level=20indicators=20=20to=20know= =20when=20 their=20cup=20is =20full=20of=20the=20desired=20liquid.=20=20More=20often=20people=20use=20a= =20finger=20to=20 fill=20the =20bowl/cup=20or=20judge=20by=20sound.=20=20But=20for=20those=20who=20can't= =20or=20don't=20 want=20to=20use =20their=20finger,=20the=20liquid=20level=20indicator=20is=20an=20option.=20= =20We=20often=20 use=20the =20sense=20of=20touch=20instead=20of=20seeing=20to=20know=20the=20consisten= cy=20of=20food=20 and=20keep =20tabs=20on=20what=20we=20are=20doing.=20=20So=20those=20are=20adaptive=20= techniques.=20=20 Anyone=20may =20want=20simple=20cold=20food=20recipies;=20Hadley=20just=20decided=20to=20= target=20it=20 to=20blind =20people.=20=20However=20I=20do=20agree=20a=20sixty=20minute =20seminar=20is=20too=20short=20to=20cover=20such =20a=20topic.=20=20But=20I=20guess=20that=20is=20all=20the=20time=20they=20= had.=20=20Well,=20 anyone=20who =20attends=20can=20judge=20afterward.=20=20Ashley=20-----Original=20Message= -----=20 From:=20T. =20Joseph=20Carter=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20July=2019,=202011 =203:10=20PM=20To:=20National=20Association =20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20Subject:=20Re: =20[nabs-l]=20Fwd:=20Reminder-Upcoming =20Seminars:=20NO=20COOK=20Cooking!=20and=20Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps-Hot=20= New=20 Accessible=20Apps =20for=20Your=20iDevice=20I=E2=80=99m=20of=20two=20minds=20on=20this,=20per= haps=20I=E2=80=99m=20being=20 overly =20sensitive.=20=20First,=20there=E2=80=99s=20the=20notion=20of=20a=20semin= ar=20for=20 preparing=20food =20without=20cooking=20it.=20=20Where=20do=20I=20begin?=20=20Let=E2=80=99s= =20start=20with=20the=20 seminar =20itself:=20Most=20sighted=20people=20would=20never =20expect=20a=20seminar=20to=20teach=20them=20how =20to=20follow=20a=20recipe.=20=20Either=20you=20can=20or=20you =20don=E2=80=99t=20have=20the=20requisite=20skills =20to=20do=20it.=20=20If=20you=20don=E2=80=99t=20have=20the=20skills,=20I=E2= =80=99m=20not=20sure=20how=20a=20 60=20minute =20webcast=20is=20going=20to=20help=20you=20get=20them.=20=20A=20list=20of= =20recipes=20should=20 suffice, =20and=20indeed=20our=20own=20Braille=20Monitor =20publishes=20recipes=20(though=20not=20often=20the =20no-cooking=20variety)=20with=20the=20assumption =20that=20fellow=20blind=20readers=20can=20follow =20them=20if=20they=20are=20so=20inclined.=20=20Then=20there=E2=80=99s=20th= e=20no=20cooking=20 aspect. =20=20Inherently=20in=20this=20is=20the=20unavoidable =20assumption=20that=20the=20blind=20cannot=20or =20should=20not=20be=20cooking=20food.=20=20Any=20of=20you=20who =20live=20alone=20doubtlessly=20have=20SOME =20food=20prep=20skill,=20even=20if=20you=E2=80=99ve=20never =20learned=20to=20"cook"=20as=20such,=20and=20your =20skill=20mostly=20consists=20of=20using=20a=20microwave =20and=20boiling=20water.=20=20But=20as=20I=20said, =20perhaps=20I=20am=20being=20overly=20sensitive.=20=20The=20seminar=20form= at=20could=20 allow=20for =20suggestions=20for=20improving=20the=20recipes=20a=20bit =20(in=20which=20case=20an=20hour=20seems=20too =20short=20for=20more=20than=20maybe=20two=20or=20three=20recipes),=20so=20= maybe=20 that=E2=80=99s=20what =20they=E2=80=99ve=20got=20in=20mind.=20=20Possibly=20the =20no-cook=20aspect=20has=20more=20to=20do=20with=20the =20idea=20that=20it=E2=80=99s=20summer=20and=20you=20don=E2=80=99t =20want=20to=20spend=20a=20lot=20of=20time=20in=20a=20hot =20kitchen=97or=20=20that=20you=20would=20prefer=20cold =20foods=20to=20hot=20ones=20at=20this=20time=20of=20the =20year.=20=20Or=20perhaps=20they=20are=20targeting=20this=20to=20college=20= students=20 who=20live=20on =20campus=20and=20don=E2=80=99t=20have=20the=20means=20to=20cook =20in=20any=20traditional=20way.=20=20Or=20maybe, =20it=E2=80=99s=20because=20we=E2=80=99re=20blind.=20=20Joseph=20-=20KF7QZC= =20On=20Tue,=20Jul=2019,=20 2011=20at =2001:17:55PM=20-0500,=20David=20Andrews=20wrote:=20>=20>>=20>>Seminars at Had= ley=20 Presents: =20NO=20COOK=20Cooking!=20>>=20>>Date:=20Wednesday,=20July=2020,=202011 =20Time:=2010=20AM=20CDT,=2015:00=20GMT=20>>=20>>Keep=20your=20cool!=20It=20= may=20be=20hot =20outside,=20but=20no=20need=20to=20get=20out=20of=20the=20>>kitchen.=20=20= There=20are=20 lots=20of=20NO =20COOK=20recipes=20to=20choose=20from=20whether=20>>preparing=20a=20simple= ,=20fast=20 meal=20for =20yourself=20or=20something=20to=20impress =20guests.=20=20>>=20>>Panelists=20Patti=20Jacobson,=20Linn =20Sorge=20and=20Goldie=20Tarr=20will=20discuss=20their =20favorite=20NO=20COOK=20recipes,=20adding=20=C3=A2=80=9Ccool=C3=A2=80=C2= =20=20fo=20=20food =20preparation=20tips=20that=20>>work=20for=20the=20cook=20with=20a=20visua= l=20 impairment. Moderator=20Dawn=20Turco=20will=20add=20a=20few=20of=20her=20favorites=20as= =20we =20build=20a=20>>resource=20and=20recipe=20list=20during=20this=2060=20minu= te=20 seminar. =20Consider=20adding=20>>your=20favorite=20recipe, =20too!=20>>=20>>Space=20in=20this=20seminar=20is =20limited.=20=20Please=20only=20register=20if=20you=20know=20you=20are =20available=20to=20attend=20so=20that=20others=20are=20not=20closed=20out.= =20=20To =20register=20for=20NO=20>>COOK=20Cooking!=20on=20July=2020,=20follow=20thi= s=20link: =20 http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=3D94 Seminars at Hadley =20Presents:=20Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps-How=20New=20Accessible=20Apps=20for= =20>>Your=20 iDevice Date:=20Thursday,=20July=2021,=202011=20>>Time: =206=20PM=20CDT,=2023:00=20GMT=20>>=20>>Apps=20for =20money=20identification,=20apps=20for=20GPS,=20apps=20for=20bar=20code=20= reading,=20 >>apps=20for =20color=20identification,=20and=20apps=20for=20games. =20If=20you=20have=20an=20idevice=20>>(iPhone, =20iPad=20or=20iPod=20Touch),=20you=20are=20bombarded=20with=20thousands=20= of=20apps=20 >>available =20for=20your=20device.=20=20Are=20you=20overwhelmed=20with =20the=20number=20of=20apps=20>>available=20for =20your=20idevice?=20Do=20you=20want=20to=20know=20more =20about=20the=20app=20before=20>>you=20download =20it=20to=20your=20device,=20such=20as=20features=20and=20accessibility?=20= Are =20you=20confused=20about=20how=20to=20locate=20and=20download=20an=20app=20= to=20your =20idevice?=20>>=20>>Join=20Seminars at Hadley=20as=20Hadley=20Instructor=20Am= y=20 Salmon=20and =20Korey=20Singleton,=20>>Assistive=20Technology =20Initiative=20Manager=20for=20George=20Mason =20University=20>>provide=20a=20list=20of=20the=20top=20accessible=20apps=20= for=20your=20 idevices, =20explain=20how=20>>to=20check=20an=20app=20for=20accessibility=20and=20fe= atures,=20 and=20provide =20step-by-step=20>>instructions=20on=20how=20to=20locate=20and=20download= =20an=20app=20 to=20your =20idevice.=20=20>>=20>>This=2060=20minute=20open=20discussion=20seminar=20= will=20be=20 moderated=20by =20Hadley=20>>Outreach=20Coordinator=20Billy=20Brookshire.=20=20A=20questio= n=20and=20 answer =20session=20will =20be=20included=20as=20part=20of=20the=20seminar.=20=20>>=20>>Space=20in=20= this=20seminar=20 is =20limited.=20=20Please=20only=20register=20if=20you=20know=20you=20are=20>= >available=20 to=20attend =20so=20that=20others=20are=20not=20closed=20out.=20=20To =20register=20for=20>>Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps=20on =20July=2021,=20follow=20this=20link: =20 http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=3D95 This=20message =20was=20sent=20to=20Dandrews at visi.com=20from:=20>>The=20Hadley=20School=20= for=20the=20 Blind=20| =20700=20Elm=20St.=20=20|=20Winnetka,=20IL=2060093 =20______________________________**________=20_________=20>nabs-l=20 mailing =20list=20>nabs-l at nfbnet.org=20>http://www.nfbnet.org/ma=20 ilman/listinfo/ =20nabs-l_nfbnet.**org=20=20>To=20unsubscribe,=20= change =20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20account=20info=20for=20>nabs-l= : =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**optio____________________________ __ =20**_________________=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo =20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20accoun= t=20info=20 for =20nabs-l:=20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** =20 bookwormahb%40earthlink.net__________________ ____________ =20**_________________=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo =20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20accoun= t=20info=20 for =20nabs-l:=20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** =20 carlymih%40earthlink.net References: <4e2750e0.47c3ec0a.639a.3784@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Chris. I became a member and took the survey. This organization looks pretty cool. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I think many of you, especially those of you on the NABS list, would be > able to help here. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the > ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more > and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I > C.A.N. Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > > Hello all, > > Apologies for cross-posting but we are trying to get this out to as many > people as possible. > > DREAM - a new organization for post-secondary students with disabilities > is > inviting all of those interested in the organization (whether it be start > up, member, or other) to take a survey to help us grow and guide our > organization to fit the needs of the growing community of post-secondary > students with disabilities, disability studies faculty and staff, disabled > service providers, and allies. Some of the questions are for members > only - > if you would like to become a member you can do so for FREE at our > website: > http://www.**dreamforpostsecondarystudents.**weebly.com- You can still answer > the questions if you are planning on joining otherwise you can skip these > questions. The survey is anonymous. > > The survey can be found at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/**s/WNYDRX3 > > Thank you for your time and help in this matter, > Michelle White > > When replying to a message please delete the message that you are replying > to. Doing this will allow people who subscribe to the digest version of > the list to receive messages in a condensed form. Also this will generally > free up the list and not "clog" inboxes. > > Also when posting articles please only post a link with a brief summary of > the article instead of posting the entire article. This is done to respect > copyright laws. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > acb-l mailing list > acb-l at acb.org > http://www.acb.org/mailman/**listinfo/acb-l > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 00:07:47 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:07:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages Message-ID: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> =20----=20Original=20Message=20------ From:=20"Freeh,Jessica"=20=20(by=20way=20of=20David=20Andre= ws=20 ) Subject:=20[Nfb-announce]=20Blind=20Americans=20to=20Protest=20Subminimum=20= Wages Date=20sent:=20Wed,=2020=20Jul=202011=2013:32:54=20-0500 FOR=20IMMEDIATE=20RELEASE CONTACT: Chris=20Danielsen Director=20of=20Public=20Relations National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind (410)=20659-9314,=20extension=202330 (410)=20262-1281=20(Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Blind=20Americans=20to=20Protest=20Subminimum=20Wages Members=20of=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20Plan =20=20Informational=20Pickets=20Across=20United=20States Baltimore,=20Maryland=20(July=2020,=202011):=20The=20National Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=20the=20oldest=20and=20largest nationwide=20organization=20of=20blind=20people, announced=20today=20that=20its=20members=20will=20conduct informational=20protests=20across=20the=20United=20States to=20raise=20awareness=20about=20the=20practice=20of=20paying wages=20below=20the=20federal=20minimum=20wage=20to=20Americans with=20disabilities.=20=20The=20protests=20will=20take=20place at=20the=20primary=20district=20office=20locations=20of United=20States=20Senators=20serving=20on=20the=20Senate Committee=20on=20Health,=20Education,=20Labor=20and Pensions=20(the=20HELP=20Committee).=20=20The=20HELP Committee=20is=20currently=20considering legislation=ADthe=20Workforce=20Investment=20Act=ADwhich would=20reauthorize=20the=20payment=20of=20subminimum=20wages=20to=20disabl= ed=20 workers. Dr.=20=20Marc=20Maurer,=20President=20of=20the=20National Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=20said:=20=93Unequal=20pay=20for equal=20work=20on=20the=20basis=20of=20disability=20is=20unfair, discriminatory,=20and=20immoral.=20=20The=20senators=20who serve=20on=20the=20HELP=20Committee=20must=20decide=20whether they=20stand=20for=20the=20outrageous=20exploitation=20of disabled=20workers,=20or=20for=20true=20equality=20for=20Americans=20with=20= disabilities.=94 On=20Wednesday,=20August=203,=20the=20HELP=20Committee=20is scheduled=20to=20vote=20on=20the=20Workforce=20Investment=20Act (WIA),=20which=20contains=20language=20reauthorizing=20the Rehabilitation=20Act=20of=201973,=20as=20amended.=20=20=20The Rehabilitation=20Act=20is=20supposed=20to=20provide services=20to=20disabled=20Americans=20so=20that=20they=20can obtain=20competitive=20employment,=20but=20Title=20V, Section=20511=20of=20the=20proposed=20Rehabilitation=20Act language=20references=20Section=2014(c)=20of=20the=201938 Fair=20Labor=20Standards=20Act=20(FLSA),=20which=20allows certain=20entities=20holding=20special=20wage certificates=20to=20pay=20workers=20with=20disabilities less=20than=20the=20federal=20minimum=20wage. For=20more=20information=20on=20the=20National=20Federation of=20the=20Blind=20and=20fair=20wages=20for=20workers=20with disabilities,=20please=20visit=20www.nfb.org. ### About=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind With=20more=20than=2050,000=20members,=20the=20National Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20is=20the=20largest=20and=20most influential=20membership=20organization=20of=20blind people=20in=20the=20United=20States.=20=20The=20NFB=20improves blind=20people=92s=20lives=20through=20advocacy,=20education, research,=20technology,=20and=20programs=20encouraging independence=20and=20self-confidence.=20=20It=20is=20the leading=20force=20in=20the=20blindness=20field=20today=20and the=20voice=20of=20the=20nation's=20blind.=20=20In=20January=202004 the=20NFB=20opened=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the Blind=20Jernigan=20Institute,=20the=20first=20research=20and training=20center=20in=20the=20United=20States=20for=20the=20blind=20led=20= by=20the=20 blind. _______________________________________________ Nfb-announce=20mailing=20list Nfb-announce at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20Nfb-announce: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org/dot kid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Jul 21 00:25:08 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:25:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages In-Reply-To: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> References: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You don't, and shouldn't forward these messages to this and other lists. Anything sent to nfbnet-members-list or nfbnet-master-list, as this one was, has already gone to everybody. David Andrews, List Owner At 07:07 PM 7/20/2011, you wrote: >---- Original Message ------ >From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way >of David Andrews ) >Subject: [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages >Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > >CONTACT: > >Chris Danielsen > >Director of Public Relations > >National Federation of the Blind > >(410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > >(410) 262-1281 (Cell) > >cdanielsen at nfb.org > > >Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages > > > > >Members of National Federation of the Blind Plan > Informational Pickets Across United States > > > >Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, 2011): The National >Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest >nationwide organization of blind people, >announced today that its members will conduct >informational protests across the United States >to raise awareness about the practice of paying >wages below the federal minimum wage to Americans >with disabilities. The protests will take place >at the primary district office locations of >United States Senators serving on the Senate >Committee on Health, Education, Labor and >Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP >Committee is currently considering >legislation­the Workforce Investment Act­which >would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled workers. > > > >Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National >Federation of the Blind, said: “Unequal pay for >equal work on the basis of disability is unfair, >discriminatory, and immoral. The senators who >serve on the HELP Committee must decide whether >they stand for the outrageous exploitation of >disabled workers, or for true equality for Americans with disabilities.” > > > >On Wednesday, August 3, the HELP Committee is >scheduled to vote on the Workforce Investment Act >(WIA), which contains language reauthorizing the >Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended. The >Rehabilitation Act is supposed to provide >services to disabled Americans so that they can >obtain competitive employment, but Title V, >Section 511 of the proposed Rehabilitation Act >language references Section 14(c) of the 1938 >Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows >certain entities holding special wage >certificates to pay workers with disabilities >less than the federal minimum wage. > > > >For more information on the National Federation >of the Blind and fair wages for workers with >disabilities, please visit www.nfb.org. > > > > > >### > > > > > >About the National Federation of the Blind > > > >With more than 50,000 members, the National >Federation of the Blind is the largest and most >influential membership organization of blind >people in the United States. The NFB improves >blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, >research, technology, and programs encouraging >independence and self-confidence. It is the >leading force in the blindness field today and >the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 >the NFB opened the National Federation of the >Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and >training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 01:14:07 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:14:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages Message-ID: <4e277d7a.46b0340a.4825.20ae@mx.google.com> Hi=20Dave, Hmm...=20=20that's=20weird.=20=20I=20saw=20it=20only=20come=20through=20to= =20 NFB-ANNOUNCE.=20=20That=20happens=20a=20lot=20with=20messages=20that=20you= =20send=20to=20 a=20bunch=20of=20lists,=20it=20only=20shows=20one=20of=20the=20lists=20it=20= was=20sent=20to=20 that=20I'm=20a=20member=20of,=20but=20doesn't=20show=20all=20the=20lists=20= you=20sent=20it=20 to.=20=20Do=20you=20know=20what's=20going=20on? =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20David=20Andrews=20=20(by=20way of=20David=20Andrews=20) Subject:=20[Nfb-announce]=20Blind=20Americans=20to=20Protest=20Subminimum=20= Wages Date=20sent:=20Wed,=2020=20Jul=202011=2013:32:54=20-0500 FOR=20IMMEDIATE=20RELEASE CONTACT: Chris=20Danielsen Director=20of=20Public=20Relations National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind (410)=20659-9314,=20extension=202330 (410)=20262-1281=20(Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Blind=20Americans=20to=20Protest=20Subminimum=20Wages Members=20of=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20Plan =20=20Informational=20Pickets=20Across=20United=20States Baltimore,=20Maryland=20(July=2020,=202011):=20The=20National Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=20the=20oldest=20and=20largest nationwide=20organization=20of=20blind=20people, announced=20today=20that=20its=20members=20will=20conduct informational=20protests=20across=20the=20United=20States to=20raise=20awareness=20about=20the=20practice=20of=20paying wages=20below=20the=20federal=20minimum=20wage=20to=20Americans with=20disabilities.=20=20The=20protests=20will=20take=20place at=20the=20primary=20district=20office=20locations=20of United=20States=20Senators=20serving=20on=20the=20Senate Committee=20on=20Health,=20Education,=20Labor=20and Pensions=20(the=20HELP=20Committee).=20=20The=20HELP Committee=20is=20currently=20considering legislation=ADthe=20Workforce=20Investment=20Act=ADwhich would=20reauthorize=20the=20payment=20of=20subminimum=20wages=20to=20disabl= ed=20 workers. Dr.=20=20Marc=20Maurer,=20President=20of=20the=20National Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=20said:=20=93Unequal=20pay=20for equal=20work=20on=20the=20basis=20of=20disability=20is=20unfair, discriminatory,=20and=20immoral.=20=20The=20senators=20who serve=20on=20the=20HELP=20Committee=20must=20decide=20whether they=20stand=20for=20the=20outrageous=20exploitation=20of disabled=20workers,=20or=20for=20true=20equality=20for=20Americans=20with=20= disabilities.=94 On=20Wednesday,=20August=203,=20the=20HELP=20Committee=20is scheduled=20to=20vote=20on=20the=20Workforce=20Investment=20Act (WIA),=20which=20contains=20language=20reauthorizing=20the Rehabilitation=20Act=20of=201973,=20as=20amended.=20=20=20The Rehabilitation=20Act=20is=20supposed=20to=20provide services=20to=20disabled=20Americans=20so=20that=20they=20can obtain=20competitive=20employment,=20but=20Title=20V, Section=20511=20of=20the=20proposed=20Rehabilitation=20Act language=20references=20Section=2014(c)=20of=20the=201938 Fair=20Labor=20Standards=20Act=20(FLSA),=20which=20allows certain=20entities=20holding=20special=20wage certificates=20to=20pay=20workers=20with=20disabilities less=20than=20the=20federal=20minimum=20wage. For=20more=20information=20on=20the=20National=20Federation of=20the=20Blind=20and=20fair=20wages=20for=20workers=20with disabilities,=20please=20visit=20www.nfb.org. ### About=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind With=20more=20than=2050,000=20members,=20the=20National Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20is=20the=20largest=20and=20most influential=20membership=20organization=20of=20blind people=20in=20the=20United=20States.=20=20The=20NFB=20improves blind=20people=92s=20lives=20through=20advocacy,=20education, research,=20technology,=20and=20programs=20encouraging independence=20and=20self-confidence.=20=20It=20is=20the leading=20force=20in=20the=20blindness=20field=20today=20and the=20voice=20of=20the=20nation's=20blind.=20=20In=20January=202004 the=20NFB=20opened=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the Blind=20Jernigan=20Institute,=20the=20first=20research=20and training=20center=20in=20the=20United=20States=20for=20the=20blind=20led=20= by=20the=20 blind. _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jul 21 01:17:52 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:17:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages In-Reply-To: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> References: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, Everyone already got this message. But anyway is anyone going to protest? It says in front of their offices. Does this mean its only in DC then or local congressmen's offices? I hope to get more details from my state president as to when and where they will be and I might go to one. This is a very important issue. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:07 PM To: Blind Talk list ; NABS list ; NFBMD list ; NFB history list ; Josh Gregory ; Nathan Clark ; Mrs. Otwell ; Aloma Bouma ; Fred Schroeder Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages ---- Original Message ------ From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way of David Andrews ) Subject: [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages Members of National Federation of the Blind Plan Informational Pickets Across United States Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, 2011): The National Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest nationwide organization of blind people, announced today that its members will conduct informational protests across the United States to raise awareness about the practice of paying wages below the federal minimum wage to Americans with disabilities. The protests will take place at the primary district office locations of United States Senators serving on the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP Committee is currently considering legislation�the Workforce Investment Act�which would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled workers. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: �Unequal pay for equal work on the basis of disability is unfair, discriminatory, and immoral. The senators who serve on the HELP Committee must decide whether they stand for the outrageous exploitation of disabled workers, or for true equality for Americans with disabilities.? On Wednesday, August 3, the HELP Committee is scheduled to vote on the Workforce Investment Act (WIA), which contains language reauthorizing the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended. The Rehabilitation Act is supposed to provide services to disabled Americans so that they can obtain competitive employment, but Title V, Section 511 of the proposed Rehabilitation Act language references Section 14(c) of the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows certain entities holding special wage certificates to pay workers with disabilities less than the federal minimum wage. For more information on the National Federation of the Blind and fair wages for workers with disabilities, please visit www.nfb.org. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people�s lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. _______________________________________________ Nfb-announce mailing list Nfb-announce at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfb-announce: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org/dot kid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Jul 21 01:41:27 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:41:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages In-Reply-To: References: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I would really like to help out with this if individual states are doing protests. Please let me know if any of you know what is going on in NY. Thanks. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu 2011/7/20 > Chris, > Everyone already got this message. But anyway is anyone going to protest? > It says in front of their offices. Does this mean its only in DC then or > local congressmen's offices? > I hope to get more details from my state president as to when and where > they will be and I might go to one. This is a very important issue. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:07 PM > To: Blind Talk list ; NABS list ; NFBMD list ; NFB history list ; Josh > Gregory ; Nathan Clark ; Mrs. Otwell ; Aloma Bouma ; Fred Schroeder > Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum > Wages > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way of David Andrews > ) > Subject: [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum > Wages > Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > CONTACT: > > Chris Danielsen > > Director of Public Relations > > National Federation of the Blind > > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > > Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages > > > > > Members of National Federation of the Blind Plan > Informational Pickets Across United States > > > > Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, 2011): The National > Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest > nationwide organization of blind people, > announced today that its members will conduct > informational protests across the United States > to raise awareness about the practice of paying > wages below the federal minimum wage to Americans > with disabilities. The protests will take place > at the primary district office locations of > United States Senators serving on the Senate > Committee on Health, Education, Labor and > Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP > Committee is currently considering > legislation춗he Workforce Investment Act춛hich > would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled > workers. > > > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National > Federation of the Blind, said: 밬nequal pay for > equal work on the basis of disability is unfair, > discriminatory, and immoral. The senators who > serve on the HELP Committee must decide whether > they stand for the outrageous exploitation of > disabled workers, or for true equality for Americans with > disabilities.? > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, the HELP Committee is > scheduled to vote on the Workforce Investment Act > (WIA), which contains language reauthorizing the > Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended. The > Rehabilitation Act is supposed to provide > services to disabled Americans so that they can > obtain competitive employment, but Title V, > Section 511 of the proposed Rehabilitation Act > language references Section 14(c) of the 1938 > Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows > certain entities holding special wage > certificates to pay workers with disabilities > less than the federal minimum wage. > > > > For more information on the National Federation > of the Blind and fair wages for workers with > disabilities, please visit www.nfb.**org > . > > > > > > ### > > > > > > About the National Federation of the Blind > > > > With more than 50,000 members, the National > Federation of the Blind is the largest and most > influential membership organization of blind > people in the United States. The NFB improves > blind people뭩 lives through advocacy, education, > research, technology, and programs encouraging > independence and self-confidence. It is the > leading force in the blindness field today and > the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 > the NFB opened the National Federation of the > Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and > training center in the United States for the blind led by the > blind. > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Nfb-announce mailing list > Nfb-announce at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nfb-announce_nfbnet.**org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for Nfb-announce: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nfb-announce_nfbnet.**org/dot > kid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 02:54:38 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:54:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages In-Reply-To: References: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I am wondering. Are local chapters doing protests also? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages I would really like to help out with this if individual states are doing protests. Please let me know if any of you know what is going on in NY. Thanks. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu 2011/7/20 > Chris, > Everyone already got this message. But anyway is anyone going to protest? > It says in front of their offices. Does this mean its only in DC then or > local congressmen's offices? > I hope to get more details from my state president as to when and where > they will be and I might go to one. This is a very important issue. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:07 PM > To: Blind Talk list ; NABS list ; NFBMD list ; NFB history list ; Josh > Gregory ; Nathan Clark ; Mrs. Otwell ; Aloma Bouma ; Fred Schroeder > Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum > Wages > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way of David Andrews > ) > Subject: [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum > Wages > Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > CONTACT: > > Chris Danielsen > > Director of Public Relations > > National Federation of the Blind > > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > > Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages > > > > > Members of National Federation of the Blind Plan > Informational Pickets Across United States > > > > Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, 2011): The National > Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest > nationwide organization of blind people, > announced today that its members will conduct > informational protests across the United States > to raise awareness about the practice of paying > wages below the federal minimum wage to Americans > with disabilities. The protests will take place > at the primary district office locations of > United States Senators serving on the Senate > Committee on Health, Education, Labor and > Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP > Committee is currently considering > legislation춗he Workforce Investment Act춛hich > would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled > workers. > > > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National > Federation of the Blind, said: 밬nequal pay for > equal work on the basis of disability is unfair, > discriminatory, and immoral. The senators who > serve on the HELP Committee must decide whether > they stand for the outrageous exploitation of > disabled workers, or for true equality for Americans with > disabilities.? > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, the HELP Committee is > scheduled to vote on the Workforce Investment Act > (WIA), which contains language reauthorizing the > Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended. The > Rehabilitation Act is supposed to provide > services to disabled Americans so that they can > obtain competitive employment, but Title V, > Section 511 of the proposed Rehabilitation Act > language references Section 14(c) of the 1938 > Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows > certain entities holding special wage > certificates to pay workers with disabilities > less than the federal minimum wage. > > > > For more information on the National Federation > of the Blind and fair wages for workers with > disabilities, please visit www.nfb.**org > . > > > > > > ### > > > > > > About the National Federation of the Blind > > > > With more than 50,000 members, the National > Federation of the Blind is the largest and most > influential membership organization of blind > people in the United States. The NFB improves > blind people뭩 lives through advocacy, education, > research, technology, and programs encouraging > independence and self-confidence. It is the > leading force in the blindness field today and > the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 > the NFB opened the National Federation of the > Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and > training center in the United States for the blind led by the > blind. > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Nfb-announce mailing list > Nfb-announce at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nfb-announce_nfbnet.**org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for Nfb-announce: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nfb-announce_nfbnet.**org/dot > kid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 06:52:15 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:52:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages In-Reply-To: <4e277d7a.46b0340a.4825.20ae@mx.google.com> References: <4e277d7a.46b0340a.4825.20ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20110721065214.GD31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Chris, you only get one copy. If you’re on nfb-announce, that’s likely where you’ll see it. Joseph - KF7QZC On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 09:14:07PM -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Hi Dave, > >Hmm... that's weird. I saw it only come through to NFB-ANNOUNCE. >That happens a lot with messages that you send to a bunch of lists, >it only shows one of the lists it was sent to that I'm a member of, >but doesn't show all the lists you sent it to. Do you know what's >going on? > >Chris > >"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > >The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland >have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link >to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us >on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. > > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:25:08 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest >SubminimumWages > >You don't, and shouldn't forward these messages >to this and other lists. Anything sent to >nfbnet-members-list or nfbnet-master-list, as >this one was, has already gone to everybody. > >David Andrews, List Owner > >At 07:07 PM 7/20/2011, you wrote: > > >---- Original Message ------ >From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way >of David Andrews ) >Subject: [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages >Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > >CONTACT: > >Chris Danielsen > >Director of Public Relations > >National Federation of the Blind > >(410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > >(410) 262-1281 (Cell) > >cdanielsen at nfb.org > > >Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages > > > > >Members of National Federation of the Blind Plan > Informational Pickets Across United States > > > >Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, 2011): The National >Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest >nationwide organization of blind people, >announced today that its members will conduct >informational protests across the United States >to raise awareness about the practice of paying >wages below the federal minimum wage to Americans >with disabilities. The protests will take place >at the primary district office locations of >United States Senators serving on the Senate >Committee on Health, Education, Labor and >Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP >Committee is currently considering >legislation?the Workforce Investment Act?which >would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled >workers. > > > >Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National >Federation of the Blind, said: ?Unequal pay for >equal work on the basis of disability is unfair, >discriminatory, and immoral. The senators who >serve on the HELP Committee must decide whether >they stand for the outrageous exploitation of >disabled workers, or for true equality for Americans with >disabilities.? > > > >On Wednesday, August 3, the HELP Committee is >scheduled to vote on the Workforce Investment Act >(WIA), which contains language reauthorizing the >Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended. The >Rehabilitation Act is supposed to provide >services to disabled Americans so that they can >obtain competitive employment, but Title V, >Section 511 of the proposed Rehabilitation Act >language references Section 14(c) of the 1938 >Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows >certain entities holding special wage >certificates to pay workers with disabilities >less than the federal minimum wage. > > > >For more information on the National Federation >of the Blind and fair wages for workers with >disabilities, please visit www.nfb.org. > > > > > >### > > > > > >About the National Federation of the Blind > > > >With more than 50,000 members, the National >Federation of the Blind is the largest and most >influential membership organization of blind >people in the United States. The NFB improves >blind people?s lives through advocacy, education, >research, technology, and programs encouraging >independence and self-confidence. It is the >leading force in the blindness field today and >the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 >the NFB opened the National Federation of the >Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and >training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >sbaum%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Jul 21 08:23:20 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:23:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Check out my newest blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, It is once again a blog Thursday! This time I blog about summer eating tips. Check it out at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/07/21/tips-for-summer-eating/ Thanks for the support. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 09:43:50 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:43:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages In-Reply-To: References: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20110721094348.GE31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Chapters are doing it, states are doing it, everyone is. I’ll be posting what we’re doing here next here in Oregon in a bit. Joseph - KF7QZC On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 07:54:38PM -0700, Humberto Avila wrote: >I am wondering. Are local chapters doing protests also? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge >Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:41 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages > >I would really like to help out with this if individual states are doing >protests. Please let me know if any of you know what is going on in NY. >Thanks. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >2011/7/20 > >> Chris, >> Everyone already got this message. But anyway is anyone going to protest? >> It says in front of their offices. Does this mean its only in DC then or >> local congressmen's offices? >> I hope to get more details from my state president as to when and where >> they will be and I might go to one. This is a very important issue. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:07 PM >> To: Blind Talk list ; NABS list ; NFBMD list ; NFB history list ; Josh >> Gregory ; Nathan Clark ; Mrs. Otwell ; Aloma Bouma ; Fred Schroeder >> Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum >> Wages >> >> >> >> ---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way of David Andrews >> ) >> Subject: [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum >> Wages >> Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> >> >> CONTACT: >> >> Chris Danielsen >> >> Director of Public Relations >> >> National Federation of the Blind >> >> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 >> >> (410) 262-1281 (Cell) >> >> cdanielsen at nfb.org >> >> >> Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages >> >> >> >> >> Members of National Federation of the Blind Plan >> Informational Pickets Across United States >> >> >> >> Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, 2011): The National >> Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest >> nationwide organization of blind people, >> announced today that its members will conduct >> informational protests across the United States >> to raise awareness about the practice of paying >> wages below the federal minimum wage to Americans >> with disabilities. The protests will take place >> at the primary district office locations of >> United States Senators serving on the Senate >> Committee on Health, Education, Labor and >> Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP >> Committee is currently considering >> legislation춗he Workforce Investment Act춛hich >> would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled >> workers. >> >> >> >> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, said: 밬nequal pay for >> equal work on the basis of disability is unfair, >> discriminatory, and immoral. The senators who >> serve on the HELP Committee must decide whether >> they stand for the outrageous exploitation of >> disabled workers, or for true equality for Americans with >> disabilities.? >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 3, the HELP Committee is >> scheduled to vote on the Workforce Investment Act >> (WIA), which contains language reauthorizing the >> Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended. The >> Rehabilitation Act is supposed to provide >> services to disabled Americans so that they can >> obtain competitive employment, but Title V, >> Section 511 of the proposed Rehabilitation Act >> language references Section 14(c) of the 1938 >> Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows >> certain entities holding special wage >> certificates to pay workers with disabilities >> less than the federal minimum wage. >> >> >> >> For more information on the National Federation >> of the Blind and fair wages for workers with >> disabilities, please visit www.nfb.**org >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> ### >> >> >> >> >> >> About the National Federation of the Blind >> >> >> >> With more than 50,000 members, the National >> Federation of the Blind is the largest and most >> influential membership organization of blind >> people in the United States. The NFB improves >> blind people뭩 lives through advocacy, education, >> research, technology, and programs encouraging >> independence and self-confidence. It is the >> leading force in the blindness field today and >> the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 >> the NFB opened the National Federation of the >> Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and >> training center in the United States for the blind led by the >> blind. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Nfb-announce mailing list >> Nfb-announce at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nfb-announce_nfbnet.**org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for Nfb-announce: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nfb-announce_nfbnet.**org/dot >> kid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> 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Your friend, kd0iko On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:43 AM, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > Chapters are doing it, states are doing it, everyone is. I’ll be posting what we’re doing here next here in Oregon in a bit. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 07:54:38PM -0700, Humberto Avila wrote: >> I am wondering. Are local chapters doing protests also? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages >> >> I would really like to help out with this if individual states are doing >> protests. Please let me know if any of you know what is going on in NY. >> Thanks. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> 2011/7/20 >> >>> Chris, >>> Everyone already got this message. But anyway is anyone going to protest? >>> It says in front of their offices. Does this mean its only in DC then or >>> local congressmen's offices? >>> I hope to get more details from my state president as to when and where >>> they will be and I might go to one. This is a very important issue. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:07 PM >>> To: Blind Talk list ; NABS list ; NFBMD list ; NFB history list ; Josh >>> Gregory ; Nathan Clark ; Mrs. Otwell ; Aloma Bouma ; Fred Schroeder >>> Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum >>> Wages >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- Original Message ------ >>> From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way of David Andrews >>> ) >>> Subject: [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum >>> Wages >>> Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 >>> >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> >>> >>> >>> CONTACT: >>> >>> Chris Danielsen >>> >>> Director of Public Relations >>> >>> National Federation of the Blind >>> >>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 >>> >>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell) >>> >>> cdanielsen at nfb.org >>> >>> >>> Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Members of National Federation of the Blind Plan >>> Informational Pickets Across United States >>> >>> >>> >>> Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, 2011): The National >>> Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest >>> nationwide organization of blind people, >>> announced today that its members will conduct >>> informational protests across the United States >>> to raise awareness about the practice of paying >>> wages below the federal minimum wage to Americans >>> with disabilities. The protests will take place >>> at the primary district office locations of >>> United States Senators serving on the Senate >>> Committee on Health, Education, Labor and >>> Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP >>> Committee is currently considering >>> legislation춗he Workforce Investment Act춛hich >>> would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled >>> workers. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, said: 밬nequal pay for >>> equal work on the basis of disability is unfair, >>> discriminatory, and immoral. The senators who >>> serve on the HELP Committee must decide whether >>> they stand for the outrageous exploitation of >>> disabled workers, or for true equality for Americans with >>> disabilities.? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 3, the HELP Committee is >>> scheduled to vote on the Workforce Investment Act >>> (WIA), which contains language reauthorizing the >>> Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended. The >>> Rehabilitation Act is supposed to provide >>> services to disabled Americans so that they can >>> obtain competitive employment, but Title V, >>> Section 511 of the proposed Rehabilitation Act >>> language references Section 14(c) of the 1938 >>> Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows >>> certain entities holding special wage >>> certificates to pay workers with disabilities >>> less than the federal minimum wage. >>> >>> >>> >>> For more information on the National Federation >>> of the Blind and fair wages for workers with >>> disabilities, please visit www.nfb.**org >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ### >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> About the National Federation of the Blind >>> >>> >>> >>> With more than 50,000 members, the National >>> Federation of the Blind is the largest and most >>> influential membership organization of blind >>> people in the United States. The NFB improves >>> blind people뭩 lives through advocacy, education, >>> research, technology, and programs encouraging >>> independence and self-confidence. It is the >>> leading force in the blindness field today and >>> the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 >>> the NFB opened the National Federation of the >>> Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and >>> training center in the United States for the blind led by the >>> blind. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Nfb-announce mailing list >>> Nfb-announce at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nfb-announce_nfbnet.**org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for Nfb-announce: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nfb-announce_nfbnet.**org/dot >>> kid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> 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I have been fcooking for a while, but I don't think it hurts to check out other recipies that might be just as good as my own. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice Hi all, To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( busycooks.about.com ) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other cooking shortcuts. Arielle On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joeseph, > Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that > time doesn't work for me. > Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want > to > talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. > Also it says whether > you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. > So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family > or > friends; whatever you need to do. > Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and > visually > impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. > I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its > probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to > the > advanced cook who wants something simple. > I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things > sometimes. It does say they will discuss > tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like > adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But > we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what > to > do. > Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and > bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its > easier > to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know > when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a > finger > to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't > want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator > is an option. > We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency > of > food and keep tabs on what we are doing. > So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food > recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. > However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a > topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who > attends > can judge afterward. > > Ashley > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: T. Joseph Carter > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! > and > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. > > First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without > cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: > Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to > follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite > skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 > minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes > should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes > (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that > fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. > > Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the > unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking > food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep > skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill > mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. > > But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar > format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit > (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or > three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly > the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and > you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you > would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or > perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on > campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. > > Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>> >>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>> >>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress >>>guests. >>> >>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>> >>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>your favorite recipe, too! >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO >>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>Your iDevice >>> >>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>> >>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>> >>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, >>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>> >>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>>be included as part of the seminar. >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>> >>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 21:15:41 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:15:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net><08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <48037EEF56EE44EE906AFCED7FE2EC81@Gloria> Hi, I have just a couple of thoughts on the seminar on cooking that occurred. I just want to say I don't feel anyone meant any harm when preparing the seminar. I don't think it was meant to suggest that because people are blind their cooking skills are inadequate. I think it was just a seasonal thing and just a way to make things easier due to everyone's sometime busy schedules. I don't think we as blind people should take offense to everything that comes along, and I also read the comment where someone said members of the NFB do not like to use adaptive techniques sometimes, but I feel the reality for blind people is that we will have to use adaptive techniques to maintain our independence, so embrace it and keep living. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice Hi all, To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( busycooks.about.com ) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other cooking shortcuts. Arielle On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joeseph, > Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that > time doesn't work for me. > Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want > to > talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. > Also it says whether > you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. > So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family > or > friends; whatever you need to do. > Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and > visually > impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. > I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its > probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to > the > advanced cook who wants something simple. > I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things > sometimes. It does say they will discuss > tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like > adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But > we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what > to > do. > Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and > bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its > easier > to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know > when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a > finger > to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't > want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator > is an option. > We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency > of > food and keep tabs on what we are doing. > So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food > recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. > However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a > topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who > attends > can judge afterward. > > Ashley > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: T. Joseph Carter > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! > and > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. > > First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without > cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: > Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to > follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite > skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 > minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes > should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes > (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that > fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. > > Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the > unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking > food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep > skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill > mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. > > But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar > format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit > (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or > three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly > the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and > you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you > would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or > perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on > campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. > > Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>> >>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>> >>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to impress >>>guests. >>> >>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>> >>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>your favorite recipe, too! >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO >>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>> >>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>Your iDevice >>> >>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>> >>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>> >>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, >>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>> >>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>>be included as part of the seminar. >>> >>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know you >>>are >>> >>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>> >>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jj at bestmidi.com Thu Jul 21 21:22:10 2011 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. 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Meddaugh A T Guys Your Assistive Technology Experts (269) 216-4798 http://www.ATGuys.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 21:29:36 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:29:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Who says blind kids can't climb walls? Not us. Not them. Message-ID: <4e289a5c.8c88e50a.4614.5aa4@mx.google.com> This program sounds really cool! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "michael nusbaum " . We hope to provide this experience to even more kids next summer. Like all our programs, the Summer Experience is provided free to all participants. So we need your financial support to make this happen. Please make a gift now so that more teens with visual impairment can have a great Summer Experience that they'll remember for the rest of their lives! Given the chance, these kids can climb walls-and go all the way to the top! You are receiving this message because you have shared your email address with Leader Dogs for the Blind. To ensure that you continue receiving our emails, please add us to your address book or safe list. Unsubscribe or manage your email preferences | Review our Privacy Policy Message-ID: Hello, I actually don't have much work to do today so I've been perusing some NFB email list, and I've been intrigued by this discussion on a cooking seminar offered by Hadley. At the risk of keeping this vein open, I have my own tidbits to offer on the topic. While I hold my own views on institutions like Hadley, I do believe we all have the right to access resources available that we feel provide us with knowledge and assistance, and we have the right to use these resources without being attacked or condescended to. Not that I'm suggesting anyone here has behaved in such a manner. As human beings, it is our fundamental right to educate ourselves in ways we see best. And people shouldn't make us feel guilty or dependent for choosing certain routes. However, we can, and should, challenge one another. If we have personal experiences we feel can help others, by all means share. And if we believe people are not reaching their full potential, we should provide suggestions and resources. Ultimately, it is about an informed decision. If I believe I have access to information and resources that will inform people about the cooking process nonvisually and does not require a seminar, they I should share my knowledge so you have been presented with different sides and opinions and can now choose what option fits best. Trust me, I can play the finger-pointing, condescending game too, but where does this get us? People don't respond to this- in fact, they will probably shut down and refuse to listen to anything you have to say. It's all about presentation. Do I believe we can learn nonvisual cooking techniques without a seminar, yes, and I can share my personal process and provide further info, but I also understand it is not my place, necessarily, to question in a negative way if others are enthusiastic about something like an online seminar. Based on my understanding and interpretation, it does seem a tad demeaning that a seminar about cooking that is specifically advertised to and for blind people is about preparing food that does not require cooking/baking. Where is the difficulty in making something like a sandwich or salad? I honestly fail to understand why such a seminar is necessary. Blind or sighted, if food does not require cooking/baking elements, where is the difficulty? The confusion? To be honest, whether this is the intention or not, it does seem to say that it is better for blind people to avoid preparing meals that require boiling, cooking on a hot stove top or baking in a hot oven. I would be interested to know if they also "taught" non-cooking meals that did not require utensils like knives too. I have to say, while this seminar may not be all bad, it does not seem Hadley is challenging blind people. If this was about a seminar teaching basic cooking skills, or how to prepare easy recipes, I could get on board, but the fact that this seems to be about learning alternative ways to make cold or non-cooked meals, well, once again I ask, how hard is it to make these types of food, or figure out "adaptive" ways to do it? Adaptive techniques are not really necessary to make meals like this. Personally, I never struggled to figure my way around a kitchen once I lost my sight. I simply continued doing things how I always did them, and problem solved when I required an accommodation. I've yet to meet an obstacle while cooking that I couldn't figure out on my own and in a matter of minutes. For me, it was all common sense. And numerous accessible devices exist for the kitchen, but in my experience, 99% of them are not necessary, and a lot of these products are unfortunately cheaply made and just don't hold up over time. The few accessible devices I use are a talking digital timer, a talking meat thermometer, crooked measuring spoons and Braille labels for food products. Beyond this, I've not required accessible special items. And I do some pretty fancy stuff in the kitchen. However, if you feel something like a seminar is essential for you to learn more about nonvisual cooking, that is your right. I'm sure similar seminars have benefited many people, and the ultimate outcome is for blind people to be independent; what does it matter how we get there? I still think it is better to leave our comfort zone. Hadley should operate to challenge us. A course on basic cooking skills would review adaptive techniques just as much as any other course on cooking. I don't know what kind of "recipes" they plan on teaching during this seminar, but I can't imagine, for the life of me, what type of non-cooked recipe requires a 60 minute lesson. And my understanding is that with Hadley classes, registered students have like a year or something to complete a course, and even then, they can still finish the class without any penalties. How does this challenge us? How does it prepare us for the "real world?" No credited college or place of business will follow such practices. My knowledge of Hadley is limited, although I do know someone currently taking a Hadley class and this is how I found out about their rule on completion with a class. It just does not seem to profess a program geared towards preparing people for any real life situation, whether it be a credited school, employment or even personal pursuits. Deadlines and guidelines exist for everything, and if an institution like Hadley does not require registraints to adhere to any tangible deadline, it does not challenge or prepare anyone for a life of true equality. Now, I have a point to bring up that I take umbrage with. The intent behind this comment may have been different than how it sounds, but it was stated that, "I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food and keep tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques." Where did anyone get the idea that the NFB does not like adaptive techniques? That is what we instill in people- that we can be completely independent by using some adaptive skills and techniques at times. And we have an entire online store, the Independence Market, that sells a myriad of products and devices that can be purchased and used. If we did not use or advertise alternative and adaptive techniques, we would not experience the kind of independence the NFB boast about. And we are entirely aware, being an organization of blind people, that we often learn tactilely and that this in essence is employing an adaptive technique. I've never heard a NFB member say adaptive techniques were bad or wrong either in private conversation or during a speech or presentation like at convention or elsewhere. Many of us may not feel items like talking microwaves or liquid measuring devices are necessary, but this does not mean we balk at all and any adaptive technique. It is in fact impossible to live as a blind person and not use adaptive techniques- either ones learned in training or advertised by the NFB, or ones you create on your own. I will now be politically incorrect and potentially offensive and say that the statement that the NFB is against adaptive techniques is ludicrous. Well, now that I've written a novel, I will end with this: Whenever people tell me I'm doing a good job, I simply give my brightest smile and say, "Thanks. You're doing a good job too." Works like a charm! *smile* Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Are you saying that we may not dare to ask certain questions if they may upset the sighted public, even here amongst our blind peers? If so, I emphatically disagree, but I am not sure I am understanding you correctly. I asked an honest question of the members of the NABS list, as to whether or not this seminar by Hadley?n organization that deals in blindness and nothing but?eemed condescending at all to anyone else. It did to me, but I acknowledged in the asking that I? basically cynical and jaded about such things. I accept that the majority opinion is that no, there? nothing wrong with Hadley? seminar. But I make no apology whatsoever for asking the question on an NFB list. The missing of the NFB is to attain equality for the blind by giving us the means to be regarded as any other non-blind person, and then treating us accordingly. We cannot do that if, even within our own organization, we cannot discuss whether or not those who provide us with services are working toward that goal or against it. Some of us are perhaps overly sensitive to these issues, and I certainly count myself among them. But that? why I asked the question here, on an NFB list, to other generally like-minded blind people. I did not put the question out to the sighted public, who generally wouldn? be expected to understand what the big deal is (even my own sighted friends and loved ones wouldn? get it!) If we start mincing words here, then the next time some ignorant sightie (yes, I said ignorant sightie) comes up to one of us as we?e walking down the street and says, "You?e doing SUCH A GOOD JOB," we?e likely to get the idea that we should accept the "compliment" we?e being given, despite the fact that walking is a task most two year olds have largely mastered. How else would we know it was acceptable to consider that a sign of ignorance we should correct if we can? Or that it was okay to maybe be a little offended ourselves that this is what we are reduced to in that person? estimation? I? not generally known for political correctness. I? certainly not known for it regarding blindness on NFB mailing lists. I do not expect that will change in the near future. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:37:29PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: Hi, Joseph, 'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of no-cook recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, contained in the helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness whatsoever. Furthermore, I believe there are even occasions in which , no-cook food preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish would be inappropriate. To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations will do actual wonders for our social ambiguities, doncha think? Please, easy on the over reactions! for today, Car7/19/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that time doesn't work for me. Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want to talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. Also it says whether you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family or friends; whatever you need to do. Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and visually impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to the advanced cook who wants something simple. I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things sometimes. It does say they will discuss tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator is an option. We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food and keep tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who attends can judge afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice I?? of two minds on this, perhaps I?? being overly sensitive. First, there?? the notion of a seminar for preparing food without cooking it. Where do I begin? Let?? start with the seminar itself: Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to follow a recipe. Either you can or you don?? have the requisite skills to do it. If you don?? have the skills, I?? not sure how a 60 minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. Then there?? the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep skill, even if you??e never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe that?? what they??e got in mind. Possibly the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it?? summer and you don?? want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen?r that you would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on campus and don?? have the means to cook in any traditional way. Or maybe, it?? because we??e blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Jul 21 21:53:18 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:53:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sub-Minimum wage protest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lucky, my affiliate and chapter have no intention of doing anything as a collective, but then again I've gotten use to this around here. Must be nice to have an affiliate/chapter that truly invest in the priorities of the Federation and works as a collective and not as individuals or elite clicks. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:43:50 -0700 From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages Message-ID: <20110721094348.GE31808 at yumi.bluecherry.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Chapters are doing it, states are doing it, everyone is. I?ll be posting what we?re doing here next here in Oregon in a bit. Joseph - KF7QZC From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:40:07 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:40:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20110721224006.GH31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Gloria, it hasn’t been given yet. Joseph - KF7QZC On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 04:06:32PM -0500, Gloria G wrote: >Hi, >Does anyone know where I could find the recipies that were given in >this siminar many of you are talking about? i was just cerious to >know what some of them were. I have been fcooking for a while, but I >don't think it hurts to check out other recipies that might be just >as good as my own. >Gloria >----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" > >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:09 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK >Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your >iDevice > > >Hi all, >To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( >busycooks.about.com >) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen >desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the >summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. >By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially >if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great >five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other >cooking shortcuts. > >Arielle > >On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>Joeseph, >>Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that >>time doesn't work for me. >>Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they >>want to >>talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. >>Also it says whether >>you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. >>So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, >>family or >>friends; whatever you need to do. >>Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and >>visually >>impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. >>I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its >>probably something basic that most could follow from the novice >>cook to the >>advanced cook who wants something simple. >>I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things >>sometimes. It does say they will discuss >>tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like >>adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But >>we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not >>know what to >>do. >>Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and >>bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and >>its easier >>to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know >>when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use >>a finger >>to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't >>want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator >>is an option. >>We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the >>consistency of >>food and keep tabs on what we are doing. >>So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food >>recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. >>However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a >>topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who >>attends >>can judge afterward. >> >>Ashley >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: T. Joseph Carter >>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK >>Cooking! and >>Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice >> >>I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. >> >>First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without >>cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: >>Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to >>follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite >>skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 >>minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes >>should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes >>(though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that >>fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. >> >>Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the >>unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking >>food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep >>skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill >>mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. >> >>But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar >>format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit >>(in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or >>three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly >>the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and >>you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you >>would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or >>perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on >>campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. >> >>Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. >> >>Joseph - KF7QZC >> >> >>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>>> >>>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>>> >>>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to >>>>impress guests. >>>> >>>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>>> >>>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>>your favorite recipe, too! >>>> >>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you >>>>know you are >>>> >>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for NO >>>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>>> >>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>>Your iDevice >>>> >>>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>>> >>>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>>> >>>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey Singleton, >>>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>>> >>>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session will >>>>be included as part of the seminar. >>>> >>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you >>>>know you are >>>> >>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>>> >>>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:49:51 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:49:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Sub-Minimum wage protest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110721224950.GI31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Bridgit, my chapter hasn’t exactly invested in this as a priority thus far either, and there are other problems that are coming up as well which I don’t think will be helped by me discussing them here. My point is that I am going to do something about this, one way or another, and I am working with the state affiliate and anyone I can to get this accomplished. My state president, Art Stevenson has been on the phone almost constantly regarding this issue (and anybody who knows Art has no hard time imagining that I’m sure!) and we’re gonna get it done. Do not give up hope, and do not feel that just because nobody else is stepping forward that nothing can be done. You can step forward. Now sometimes when you step forward, its your head that gets bitten off first—but nobody ever said doing the right thing was easy. Do it anyway, and grow a thick skin. People will respect you for it in the end. I had my own head bitten off a couple of weeks ago on nfb-talk, but taking action was the right thing to do then. I had to go it alone, and though I’m doing the right thing, I’m gonna lose. This time, I am not alone, it’s still the right thing to do, and I am not going to accept failure. This one we’re gonna win, because it’s a "we" that is gonna win it. Joseph - KF7QZC On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 04:53:18PM -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: >Lucky, my affiliate and chapter have no intention of doing anything as a >collective, but then again I've gotten use to this around here. Must be >nice to have an affiliate/chapter that truly invest in the priorities of >the Federation and works as a collective and not as individuals or elite >clicks. > >Sincerely, >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:43:50 -0700 >From: "T. Joseph Carter" >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest > SubminimumWages >Message-ID: <20110721094348.GE31808 at yumi.bluecherry.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >Chapters are doing it, states are doing it, everyone is. I?ll be >posting what we?re doing here next here in Oregon in a bit. > >Joseph - KF7QZC > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:51:02 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:51:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice In-Reply-To: <20110721224006.GH31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20110719191030.GM31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> <08EFA03C2BA3454A926B83D28B5CAE58@OwnerPC> <20110721224006.GH31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: I'm curious if Hadley offers any sort of cooking course and, if so, how rigorous it is. (although I'm kind of confused about how you can learn to cook from an online class, but whatever.) Anyways I think this would tell us a lot more about Hadley's expectations and philosophy than we'd learn from a seasonal seminar which may or may not leave out cooking because we're blind. Best, Kirt On 7/21/11, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > Gloria, it hasn’t been given yet. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 04:06:32PM -0500, Gloria G wrote: >>Hi, >>Does anyone know where I could find the recipies that were given in >>this siminar many of you are talking about? i was just cerious to >>know what some of them were. I have been fcooking for a while, but I >>don't think it hurts to check out other recipies that might be just >>as good as my own. >>Gloria >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" >> >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:09 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK >>Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your >>iDevice >> >> >>Hi all, >>To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking E-newsletter ( >>busycooks.about.com >>) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen >>desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the >>summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. >>By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, especially >>if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great >>five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and other >>cooking shortcuts. >> >>Arielle >> >>On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>Joeseph, >>>Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that >>>time doesn't work for me. >>>Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they >>>want to >>>talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. >>>Also it says whether >>>you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. >>>So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, >>>family or >>>friends; whatever you need to do. >>>Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and >>>visually >>>impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. >>>I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its >>>probably something basic that most could follow from the novice >>>cook to the >>>advanced cook who wants something simple. >>>I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things >>>sometimes. It does say they will discuss >>>tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like >>>adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But >>>we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not >>>know what to >>>do. >>>Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and >>>bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and >>>its easier >>>to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know >>>when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use >>>a finger >>>to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't >>>want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator >>>is an option. >>>We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the >>>consistency of >>>food and keep tabs on what we are doing. >>>So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food >>>recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. >>>However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a >>>topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who >>>attends >>>can judge afterward. >>> >>>Ashley >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: T. Joseph Carter >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK >>>Cooking! and >>>Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice >>> >>>I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. >>> >>>First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food without >>>cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar itself: >>>Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to >>>follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite >>>skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how a 60 >>>minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes >>>should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes >>>(though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that >>>fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. >>> >>>Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the >>>unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking >>>food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep >>>skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill >>>mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. >>> >>>But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar >>>format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit >>>(in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or >>>three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. Possibly >>>the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer and >>>you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that you >>>would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or >>>perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on >>>campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. >>> >>>Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. >>> >>>Joseph - KF7QZC >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! >>>>> >>>>>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 >>>>>Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >>>>> >>>>>Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of the >>>>>kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from whether >>>>>preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to >>>>>impress guests. >>>>> >>>>>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their >>>>>favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips that >>>>>work for the cook with a visual impairment. >>>>> >>>>>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build a >>>>>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider adding >>>>>your favorite recipe, too! >>>>> >>>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you >>>>>know you are >>>>> >>>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>>> NO >>>>>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: >>>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 >>>>> >>>>>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>>>>Your iDevice >>>>> >>>>>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>>>>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >>>>> >>>>>Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>>>>apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have an >>>>> idevice >>>>>(iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>>>>available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>>>>available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app >>>>> before >>>>>you download it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are >>>>>you confused about how to locate and download an app to your idevice? >>>>> >>>>>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey >>>>> Singleton, >>>>>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason University >>>>>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, explain how >>>>>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide step-by-step >>>>>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your idevice. >>>>> >>>>>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by Hadley >>>>>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer session >>>>> will >>>>>be included as part of the seminar. >>>>> >>>>>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you >>>>>know you are >>>>> >>>>>available to attend so that others are not closed out. To register for >>>>>Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: >>>>>http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 >>>>> >>>>>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>>>>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 23:33:51 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:33:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! andGoing Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice Message-ID: <4e28b77a.0c89e50a.6038.52f6@mx.google.com> Amen=20to=20that,=20Gloria! =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Gloria=20G"=20=20 wrote: =20Joeseph, =20Actually,=20I=20found=20this=20fine.=20=20I=20want=20to=20attend=20a=20h= adley=20webinar=20=20 but=20that =20time=20doesn't=20work=20for=20me. =20Maybe=20they=20are=20archived;=20the=20wording=20of=20it=20says=20its=20= summer=20and=20 they=20want =20to =20talk=20about=20food=20prep=20that=20doesn't=20require=20a=20hot=20kitche= n. =20Also=20it=20says=20whether =20you=20are=20preparing=20for=20yourself=20or=20to=20impress=20guests. =20So=20therefore=20they=20are=20assuming=20that=20you=20will=20prepare=20f= or=20 yourself,=20family =20or =20friends;=20whatever=20you=20need=20to=20do. =20Hadley=20targets=20many=20many=20people=20including=20teachers=20of=20th= e=20blind=20 and =20visually =20impaired;=20newly=20blind=20adults=20and=20those=20blind=20from=20birth.= =20I=20take=20it=20that=20this=20is=20an=20overview=20of=20cooking=20ideas= =20and=20 recipies.=20=20Its =20probably=20something=20basic=20that=20most=20could=20follow=20from=20the= =20novice=20 cook=20to =20the =20advanced=20cook=20who=20wants=20something=20simple. =20I=20didn't=20find=20it=20offensive=20at=20all;=20I=20think=20we=20read=20= more=20into=20 things =20sometimes.=20=20It=20does=20say=20they=20will=20discuss =20tips=20for=20people=20with=20visual=20impairments;=20I=20know=20NFB=20pe= ople=20don't=20 like =20adaptive=20techniques=20sometimes,=20so=20you=20can=20take=20it=20or=20l= eave=20it.=20=20 But =20we=20do=20need=20adaptive=20techniques=20and=20a=20newly=20blind=20perso= n=20may=20not=20 know=20what =20to =20do. =20Many=20blind=20cooks=20use=20a=20tray=20or=20something=20to=20put=20thei= r=20=20pots=20and=20 pans=20and =20bowls=20on=20while=20preparing=20food=20so=20any=20spills=20fall=20on=20= the=20tray=20and=20 its =20easier =20to=20clean=20up.=20=20Some=20blind=20people=20use=20liquid=20level=20ind= icators=20=20to=20 know =20when=20their=20cup=20is=20full=20of=20the=20desired=20liquid.=20=20More= =20often=20people=20 use=20a =20finger =20to=20fill=20the=20bowl/cup=20or=20judge=20by=20sound.=20=20But=20for=20t= hose=20who=20can't=20 or=20don't =20want=20to=20use=20their=20finger,=20the=20liquid=20level=20indicator =20is=20an=20option. =20We=20often=20use=20the=20sense=20of=20touch=20instead=20of=20seeing=20to= =20know=20the=20 consistency =20of =20food=20and=20keep=20tabs=20on=20what=20we=20are=20doing. =20So=20those=20are=20adaptive=20techniques.=20=20Anyone=20may=20want=20sim= ple=20cold=20 food =20recipies;=20Hadley=20just=20decided=20to=20target=20it=20to=20blind=20pe= ople. =20However=20I=20do=20agree=20a=20sixty=20minute=20seminar=20is=20too=20sho= rt=20to=20cover=20 such=20a =20topic.=20=20But=20I=20guess=20that=20is=20all=20the=20time=20they=20had.= =20=20Well,=20anyone=20 who =20attends =20can=20judge=20afterward. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20T.=20=20Joseph=20Carter =20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20July=2019,=202011=203:10=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Fwd:=20Reminder-Upcoming=20Seminars:=20NO=20= COOK=20 Cooking! =20and =20Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps-Hot=20New=20Accessible=20Apps=20for=20Your=20iD= evice =20I=92m=20of=20two=20minds=20on=20this,=20perhaps=20I=92m=20being=20overly= =20sensitive. =20First,=20there=92s=20the=20notion=20of=20a=20seminar=20for=20preparing=20= food=20 without =20cooking=20it.=20=20Where=20do=20I=20begin?=20=20Let=92s=20start=20with=20= the=20seminar=20 itself: =20Most=20sighted=20people=20would=20never=20expect=20a=20seminar=20to=20te= ach=20them=20 how=20to =20follow=20a=20recipe.=20=20Either=20you=20can=20or=20you=20don=92t=20have= =20the=20requisite =20skills=20to=20do=20it.=20=20If=20you=20don=92t=20have=20the=20skills,=20= I=92m=20not=20sure=20how=20 a=2060 =20minute=20webcast=20is=20going=20to=20help=20you=20get=20them.=20=20A=20l= ist=20of=20recipes =20should=20suffice,=20and=20indeed=20our=20own=20Braille=20Monitor=20publi= shes=20 recipes =20(though=20not=20often=20the=20no-cooking=20variety)=20with=20the=20assum= ption=20 that =20fellow=20blind=20readers=20can=20follow=20them=20if=20they=20are=20so=20= inclined. =20Then=20there=92s=20the=20no=20cooking=20aspect.=20=20Inherently=20in=20t= his=20is=20the =20unavoidable=20assumption=20that=20the=20blind=20cannot=20or=20should=20n= ot=20be=20 cooking =20food.=20=20Any=20of=20you=20who=20live=20alone=20doubtlessly=20have=20SO= ME=20food=20prep =20skill,=20even=20if=20you=92ve=20never=20learned=20to=20"cook"=20as=20suc= h,=20and=20your=20 skill =20mostly=20consists=20of=20using=20a=20microwave=20and=20boiling=20water. =20But=20as=20I=20said,=20perhaps=20I=20am=20being=20overly=20sensitive.=20= =20The=20seminar =20format=20could=20allow=20for=20suggestions=20for=20improving=20the=20rec= ipes=20a=20 bit =20(in=20which=20case=20an=20hour=20seems=20too=20short=20for=20more=20than= =20maybe=20two=20 or =20three=20recipes),=20so=20maybe=20that=92s=20what=20they=92ve=20got=20in= =20mind.=20=20 Possibly =20the=20no-cook=20aspect=20has=20more=20to=20do=20with=20the=20idea=20that= =20it=92s=20summer=20 and =20you=20don=92t=20want=20to=20spend=20a=20lot=20of=20time=20in=20a=20hot=20= kitchen=97or=20that=20 you =20would=20prefer=20cold=20foods=20to=20hot=20ones=20at=20this=20time=20of= =20the=20year.=20=20 Or =20perhaps=20they=20are=20targeting=20this=20to=20college=20students=20who= =20live=20on =20campus=20and=20don=92t=20have=20the=20means=20to=20cook=20in=20any=20tra= ditional=20way. =20Or=20maybe,=20it=92s=20because=20we=92re=20blind. =20Joseph=20-=20KF7QZC =20On=20Tue,=20Jul=2019,=202011=20at=2001:17:55PM=20-0500,=20David=20Andrew= s=20wrote: Seminars at Hadley=20Presents:=20NO=20COOK=20Cooking! Date:=20Wednesday,=20July=2020,=202011 Time:=2010=20AM=20CDT,=2015:00=20GMT Keep=20your=20cool!=20It=20may=20be=20hot=20outside,=20but=20no=20need=20to= =20get=20out=20of=20 the kitchen.=20=20There=20are=20lots=20of=20NO=20COOK=20recipes=20to=20choose=20= from=20 whether preparing=20a=20simple,=20fast=20meal=20for=20yourself=20or=20something=20t= o=20 impress guests. Panelists=20Patti=20Jacobson,=20Linn=20Sorge=20and=20Goldie=20Tarr=20will=20= discuss=20 their favorite=20NO=20COOK=20recipes,=20adding=20=E2=80=9Ccool=E2=80=20=20food=20= preparation=20tips=20 that work=20for=20the=20cook=20with=20a=20visual=20impairment. Moderator=20Dawn=20Turco=20will=20add=20a=20few=20of=20her=20favorites=20as= =20we=20build=20 a resource=20and=20recipe=20list=20during=20this=2060=20minute=20seminar.=20= =20Consider=20 adding your=20favorite=20recipe,=20too! Space=20in=20this=20seminar=20is=20limited.=20=20Please=20only=20register=20= if=20you=20 know=20you are available=20to=20attend=20so=20that=20others=20are=20not=20closed=20out.=20= =20To=20 register=20for=20NO COOK=20Cooking!=20on=20July=2020,=20follow=20this=20link: http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=3D94 Seminars at Hadley=20Presents:=20Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps-How=20New=20Accessib= le=20 Apps=20for Your=20iDevice Date:=20Thursday,=20July=2021,=202011 Time:=206=20PM=20CDT,=2023:00=20GMT Apps=20for=20money=20identification,=20apps=20for=20GPS,=20apps=20for=20bar= =20code=20 reading, apps=20for=20color=20identification,=20and=20apps=20for=20games.=20=20If=20= you=20have=20 an=20idevice (iPhone,=20iPad=20or=20iPod=20Touch),=20you=20are=20bombarded=20with=20thou= sands=20of=20 apps available=20for=20your=20device.=20=20Are=20you=20overwhelmed=20with=20the= =20number=20 of=20apps available=20for=20your=20idevice?=20Do=20you=20want=20to=20know=20more=20ab= out=20the=20 app=20before you=20download=20it=20to=20your=20device,=20such=20as=20features=20and=20 accessibility?=20Are you=20confused=20about=20how=20to=20locate=20and=20download=20an=20app=20to= =20your=20 idevice? Join=20Seminars at Hadley=20as=20Hadley=20Instructor=20Amy=20Salmon=20and=20Ko= rey=20 Singleton, Assistive=20Technology=20Initiative=20Manager=20for=20George=20Mason=20 University provide=20a=20list=20of=20the=20top=20accessible=20apps=20for=20your=20idev= ices,=20 explain=20how to=20check=20an=20app=20for=20accessibility=20and=20features,=20and=20provi= de=20 step-by-step instructions=20on=20how=20to=20locate=20and=20download=20an=20app=20to=20yo= ur=20 idevice. This=2060=20minute=20open=20discussion=20seminar=20will=20be=20moderated=20= by=20 Hadley Outreach=20Coordinator=20Billy=20Brookshire.=20=20A=20question=20and=20answ= er=20 session=20will be=20included=20as=20part=20of=20the=20seminar. Space=20in=20this=20seminar=20is=20limited.=20=20Please=20only=20register=20= if=20you=20 know=20you are available=20to=20attend=20so=20that=20others=20are=20not=20closed=20out.=20= =20To=20 register=20for Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps=20on=20July=2021,=20follow=20this=20link: http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=3D95 This=20message=20was=20sent=20to=20Dandrews at visi.com=20from: The=20Hadley=20School=20for=20the=20Blind=20|=20700=20Elm=20St.=20=20|=20Wi= nnetka,=20IL=20 60093 _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tj oseph%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 %40gmail..com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.gr aves%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 23:54:00 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:54:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sub-Minimum wage protest Message-ID: <4e28bc32.0dcadc0a.6ff8.20af@mx.google.com> Right=20on,=20Joseph!=20Thank=20you=20for=20the=20pep=20talk!=20We've=20don= e=20it=20 before=20and=20we=20will=20do=20it=20again...=20=20we,=20the=20Federation,= =20working=20 collectively,=20WILL=20win! =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"T.=20=20Joseph=20Carter"=20 References: <4e28b77a.0c89e50a.6038.52f6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I admit I'm not a frequent viewer of cooking shows on TV, but I'd bet that at least one episode features a salad, sandwich, or no-cook dessert as part of their demonstration. The same argument could be made for cooking shows-what's the point of a televised demonstration if viewers could just follow the recipes? Obviously the chefs who perform on these shows think they have something to offer beyond simply putting recipes online. Granted, the meals featured at this Hadley seminar are likely much less complex than those seen on cooking shows, but I think the same logic still applies. I can understand the concerns expressed about low expectations, but at the same time, I think we need to be careful not to assume that every nuance of a program (i.e. the fact that it's about no-cook recipes) is because of blindness. Arielle On 7/21/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Amen to that, Gloria! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:15:41 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK > Cooking! andGoing Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your > iDevice > > Hi, > I have just a couple of thoughts on the seminar on cooking that > occurred. I > just want to say I don't feel anyone meant any harm when > preparing the > seminar. I don't think it was meant to suggest that because > people are blind > their cooking skills are inadequate. I think it was just a > seasonal thing > and just a way to make things easier due to everyone's sometime > busy > schedules. I don't think we as blind people should take offense > to > everything that comes along, and I also read the comment where > someone said > members of the NFB do not like to use adaptive techniques > sometimes, but I > feel the reality for blind people is that we will have to use > adaptive > techniques to maintain our independence, so embrace it and keep > living. > Gloria > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK > Cooking! and > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > > Hi all, > To be fair to Hadley, I subscribe to a mainstream cooking > E-newsletter ( > busycooks.about.com > ) and this week's issue was all about no-cook recipes, frozen > desserts, and other ways to stay cool in the kitchen during the > summer. So I think this is just a seasonal thing. > By the way, I would highly recommend the BusyCooks website, > especially > if you are just learning to cook. They have a lot of great > five-ingredient recipes (which save money as well as time) and > other > cooking shortcuts. > > Arielle > > On 7/19/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Joeseph, > Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar > but that > time doesn't work for me. > Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and > they want > to > talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. > Also it says whether > you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. > So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for > yourself, family > or > friends; whatever you need to do. > Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind > and > visually > impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. > I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and > recipies. Its > probably something basic that most could follow from the novice > cook to > the > advanced cook who wants something simple. > I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into > things > sometimes. It does say they will discuss > tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't > like > adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. > But > we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not > know what > to > do. > Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and > pans and > bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and > its > easier > to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to > know > when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people > use a > finger > to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't > or don't > want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator > is an option. > We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the > consistency > of > food and keep tabs on what we are doing. > So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold > food > recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. > However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover > such a > topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone > who > attends > can judge afterward. > > Ashley > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: T. Joseph Carter > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK > Cooking! > and > Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice > > I’m of two minds on this, perhaps I’m being overly sensitive. > > First, there’s the notion of a seminar for preparing food > without > cooking it. Where do I begin? Let’s start with the seminar > itself: > Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them > how to > follow a recipe. Either you can or you don’t have the requisite > skills to do it. If you don’t have the skills, I’m not sure how > a 60 > minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes > should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes > recipes > (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption > that > fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. > > Then there’s the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the > unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be > cooking > food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep > skill, even if you’ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your > skill > mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. > > But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar > format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a > bit > (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two > or > three recipes), so maybe that’s what they’ve got in mind. > Possibly > the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it’s summer > and > you don’t want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen—or that > you > would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. > Or > perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on > campus and don’t have the means to cook in any traditional way. > > Or maybe, it’s because we’re blind. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > > > Seminars at Hadley Presents: NO COOK Cooking! > > Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 > Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT > > Keep your cool! It may be hot outside, but no need to get out of > the > kitchen. There are lots of NO COOK recipes to choose from > whether > preparing a simple, fast meal for yourself or something to > impress > guests. > > Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss > their > favorite NO COOK recipes, adding “cool†food preparation tips > that > work for the cook with a visual impairment. > > Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we build > a > resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar. Consider > adding > your favorite recipe, too! > > Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you > know you > are > > available to attend so that others are not closed out. To > register for NO > COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link: > http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=94 > > Seminars at Hadley Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible > Apps for > Your iDevice > > Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 > Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT > > Apps for money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code > reading, > apps for color identification, and apps for games. If you have > an idevice > (iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of > apps > available for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number > of apps > available for your idevice? Do you want to know more about the > app before > you download it to your device, such as features and > accessibility? Are > you confused about how to locate and download an app to your > idevice? > > Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and Korey > Singleton, > Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason > University > provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices, > explain how > to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide > step-by-step > instructions on how to locate and download an app to your > idevice. > > This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by > Hadley > Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer > session will > be included as part of the seminar. > > Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you > know you > are > > available to attend so that others are not closed out. To > register for > Going Ape for Apps on July 21, follow this link: > http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=95 > > This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: > The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL > 60093 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tj > oseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 > %40gmail..com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.gr > aves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 00:02:53 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:02:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring in the use of the Focus 40 Blue Message-ID: Hey guys, Getting ready for the Fall semester, I'm trying to get used to my focus 40 Blue refreshable Braille display. I can read text documents with it, but I'd like to be able to use it like a keyboard of sorts. I'd like to learn all the commands, but I'm having trouble finding patterns and could really use some assistance in this. Anyone use the Focus 40 and willing to tutor me in its use? Another thing I've found is that I'll type 'I'm trying to learn this' in contracted Braille, and it types it as I'm trying 6 learn...how do I get it to stop using Nemeth numbers so I can use some of the contractions like 'to,' 'by' and 'was'? Thanks for any help available, Frustratedly yours, Jewel From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 22 02:49:45 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:49:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to ProtestSubminimum Wages In-Reply-To: <8AFFB8D1E8D6904090DF5B33AABB802506EA3E1DC7@VA3DIAXVS661.RED001.local> References: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> <8AFFB8D1E8D6904090DF5B33AABB802506EA3E1DC7@VA3DIAXVS661.RED001.local> Message-ID: Thanks for telling us where protests are. If anyone is in one, let us know how it goes. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Hartle, Jesse Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:38 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to ProtestSubminimum Wages Hi All, The protests will be taking place in front of the state offices of the Senate Health Labor Education and Pensions (HELP) Committee. There are 22 members of this committee representing 21 states. I have listed the members of the committee and where they are from below. If you live in one of these states, I encourage you to contact your state affiliate president for specific information related to that individual protest. Jesse Chairman Tom Harkin, Iowa Ranking Member Michael B. Enzi, Wyoming Lisa Murkowski, Alaska John McCain, Arizona Michael F. Bennet, Colorado Richard Blumenthal, Connecticut Johnny Isakson, Georgia Mark Kirk, Illinois Pat Roberts, Kansas Rand Paul, Kentucky Barbara A. Mikulski, Maryland Al Franken, Minnesota Kay R. Hagan, North Carolina Richard Burr, North Carolina Jeff Bingaman, New Mexico Jeff Merkley, Oregon Robert P. Casey, Jr., Pennsylvania Sheldon Whitehouse, Rhode Island Lamar Alexander, Tennessee Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Bernard Sanders, Vermont Patty Murray, Washington -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages Chris, Everyone already got this message. But anyway is anyone going to protest? It says in front of their offices. Does this mean its only in DC then or local congressmen's offices? I hope to get more details from my state president as to when and where they will be and I might go to one. This is a very important issue. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:07 PM To: Blind Talk list ; NABS list ; NFBMD list ; NFB history list ; Josh Gregory ; Nathan Clark ; Mrs. Otwell ; Aloma Bouma ; Fred Schroeder Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages ---- Original Message ------ From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way of David Andrews ) Subject: [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages Members of National Federation of the Blind Plan Informational Pickets Across United States Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, 2011): The National Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest nationwide organization of blind people, announced today that its members will conduct informational protests across the United States to raise awareness about the practice of paying wages below the federal minimum wage to Americans with disabilities. The protests will take place at the primary district office locations of United States Senators serving on the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP Committee is currently considering legislation�the Workforce Investment Act�which would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled workers. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: �Unequal pay for equal work on the basis of disability is unfair, discriminatory, and immoral. The senators who serve on the HELP Committee must decide whether they stand for the outrageous exploitation of disabled workers, or for true equality for Americans with disabilities.? On Wednesday, August 3, the HELP Committee is scheduled to vote on the Workforce Investment Act (WIA), which contains language reauthorizing the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended. The Rehabilitation Act is supposed to provide services to disabled Americans so that they can obtain competitive employment, but Title V, Section 511 of the proposed Rehabilitation Act language references Section 14(c) of the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows certain entities holding special wage certificates to pay workers with disabilities less than the federal minimum wage. For more information on the National Federation of the Blind and fair wages for workers with disabilities, please visit www.nfb.org. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people�s lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. _______________________________________________ Nfb-announce mailing list Nfb-announce at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfb-announce: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org/dot kid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 02:48:01 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:48:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [nfb-talk] Oregon Rally against sub-minimum wages Message-ID: <20110722024800.GK31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Defending equal employment for people with disabilities Did you know there are Americans earning as little as a dollar an hour, just because they are disabled? Their work isn’t substandard, but their wages are! Congress is trying to expand the practice of sub-minimum wage jobs for the disabled. Join the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon on the 21st anniversary of Americans with Disabilities Act, July 26th, to learn how sub-minimum wages force the disabled to live in poverty, dependent upon meager government entitlements, while their non-disabled overseers earn lush salaries! Discover the fraud, abuse, and worker intimidation that have kept these American sweatshops open for decades under our noses! Learn how American jobs are being outsourced, not to foreign companies who exploit their workers, but to so-called American “non-profits” who exploit the disabled! And find out how you can stop it! What: Rally to end sub-minimum wages Where: Oregon State Capital Steps Salem, Oregon When: July 26, 2011 from 11am to 1pm For more information, or to coordinate transportation, please contact Art Stevenson at 503-585-4318. _______________________________________________ nfb-talk mailing list nfb-talk at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfb-talk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-talk_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 04:04:31 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:04:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring in the use of the Focus 40 Blue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110722040429.GP31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> By default, you’re working not with Nemeth, but with Computer Braille Code. I’ve never used a Braille display in anything but Linux, so I can’t help you out with how to type in anything else. You’ll know that you’re typing in Computer Braille Code for sure when you discover that typing a dot six gives you not a capital letter, but rather a comma. It’s basically what you get if you open a .brf file in Notepad. Joseph - KF7QZC On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:02:53PM -0400, Jewel wrote: >Hey guys, >Getting ready for the Fall semester, I'm trying to get used to my >focus 40 Blue refreshable Braille display. I can read text documents >with it, but I'd like to be able to use it like a keyboard of sorts. >I'd like to learn all the commands, but I'm having trouble finding >patterns and could really use some assistance in this. Anyone use the >Focus 40 and willing to tutor me in its use? > >Another thing I've found is that I'll type 'I'm trying to learn this' >in contracted Braille, and it types it as I'm trying 6 learn...how do >I get it to stop using Nemeth numbers so I can use some of the >contractions like 'to,' 'by' and 'was'? > >Thanks for any help available, >Frustratedly yours, >Jewel > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From aaatlantic at aol.com Fri Jul 22 05:47:58 2011 From: aaatlantic at aol.com (Alexander Atlantic) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:47:58 -0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring in the use of the Focus 40 Blue In-Reply-To: <20110722040429.GP31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20110722040429.GP31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <3219049.1859.1311313661238.JavaMail.SYSTEM@simplicity> Your email was read to me using Voice on the Go. Go to www.voiceonthego.com > Original Message: > --------------------------------- > > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > Sent: July 22, 2011 12:04:31 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Tutoring in the use of the Focus 40 Blue > > By default, you?re working not with Nemeth, but with Computer Braille > Code. I?ve never used a Braille display in anything but Linux, so I > can?t help you out with how to type in anything else. > > You?ll know that you?re typing in Computer Braille Code for sure when > you discover that typing a dot six gives you not a capital letter, > but rather a comma. It?s basically what you get if you open a .brf > file in Notepad. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:02:53PM -0400, Jewel wrote: > >Hey guys, > >Getting ready for the Fall semester, I'm trying to get used to my > >focus 40 Blue refreshable Braille display. I can read text documents > >with it, but I'd like to be able to use it like a keyboard of sorts. > >I'd like to learn all the commands, but I'm having trouble finding > >patterns and could really use some assistance in this. Anyone use the > >Focus 40 and willing to tutor me in its use? > > > >Another thing I've found is that I'll type 'I'm trying to learn this' > >in contracted Braille, and it types it as I'm trying 6 learn...how do > >I get it to stop using Nemeth numbers so I can use some of the > >contractions like 'to,' 'by' and 'was'? > > > >Thanks for any help available, > >Frustratedly yours, > >Jewel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aaatlantic%40aol.com From aaatlantic at aol.com Fri Jul 22 05:48:32 2011 From: aaatlantic at aol.com (Alexander Atlantic) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 05:48:32 -0000 Subject: [nabs-l] [nfb-talk] Oregon Rally against sub-minimum wages In-Reply-To: <20110722024800.GK31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20110722024800.GK31808@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <32229384.1861.1311313694410.JavaMail.SYSTEM@simplicity> Your email was read to me using Voice on the Go. Go to www.voiceonthego.com > Original Message: > --------------------------------- > > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > Sent: July 21, 2011 10:48:01 PM > To: nfb-or at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] [nfb-talk] Oregon Rally against sub-minimum wages > > Defending equal employment for people with disabilities > > Did you know there are Americans earning as little as a dollar an > hour, just because they are disabled? Their work isn?t substandard, > but their wages are! > > Congress is trying to expand the practice of sub-minimum wage jobs > for the disabled. Join the National Federation of the Blind of > Oregon on the 21st anniversary of Americans with Disabilities Act, > July 26th, to learn how sub-minimum wages force the disabled to live > in poverty, dependent upon meager government entitlements, while > their non-disabled overseers earn lush salaries! > > Discover the fraud, abuse, and worker intimidation that have kept > these American sweatshops open for decades under our noses! > > Learn how American jobs are being outsourced, not to foreign > companies who exploit their workers, but to so-called American > ?non-profits? who exploit the disabled! > > And find out how you can stop it! > > What: Rally to end sub-minimum wages > Where: Oregon State Capital Steps > Salem, Oregon > When: July 26, 2011 from 11am to 1pm > > For more information, or to coordinate transportation, please contact > Art Stevenson at 503-585-4318. > > > _______________________________________________ > nfb-talk mailing list > nfb-talk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfb-talk: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-talk_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aaatlantic%40aol.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Jul 22 06:20:02 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 01:20:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages In-Reply-To: <4e277d7a.46b0340a.4825.20ae@mx.google.com> References: <4e277d7a.46b0340a.4825.20ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Yes, I sent it to the nfbnet-members-list so everybody would get it, plus a copy to nfb-announce so it would be in a public archive. Dave At 08:14 PM 7/20/2011, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >Hmm... that's weird. I saw it only come >through to NFB-ANNOUNCE. That happens a lot >with messages that you send to a bunch of lists, >it only shows one of the lists it was sent to >that I'm a member of, but doesn't show all the >lists you sent it to. Do you know what's going on? > >Chris > >"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > >The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired >youth in Maryland have the ability to >confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link >to learn more and to contribute: >www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >Foundation. > > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:25:08 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind >Americans to Protest SubminimumWages > >You don't, and shouldn't forward these messages >to this and other lists. Anything sent to >nfbnet-members-list or nfbnet-master-list, as >this one was, has already gone to everybody. > >David Andrews, List Owner > >At 07:07 PM 7/20/2011, you wrote: > > >---- Original Message ------ >From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way >of David Andrews ) >Subject: [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages >Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > >CONTACT: > >Chris Danielsen > >Director of Public Relations > >National Federation of the Blind > >(410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > >(410) 262-1281 (Cell) > >cdanielsen at nfb.org > > >Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages > > > > >Members of National Federation of the Blind Plan > Informational Pickets Across United States > > > >Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, 2011): The National >Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest >nationwide organization of blind people, >announced today that its members will conduct >informational protests across the United States >to raise awareness about the practice of paying >wages below the federal minimum wage to Americans >with disabilities. The protests will take place >at the primary district office locations of >United States Senators serving on the Senate >Committee on Health, Education, Labor and >Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP >Committee is currently considering >legislation­the Workforce Investment Act­which >would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled workers. > > > >Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National >Federation of the Blind, said: “Unequal pay for >equal work on the basis of disability is unfair, >discriminatory, and immoral. The senators who >serve on the HELP Committee must decide whether >they stand for the outrageous exploitation of >disabled workers, or for true equality for Americans with disabilities.” > > > >On Wednesday, August 3, the HELP Committee is >scheduled to vote on the Workforce Investment Act >(WIA), which contains language reauthorizing the >Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended. The >Rehabilitation Act is supposed to provide >services to disabled Americans so that they can >obtain competitive employment, but Title V, >Section 511 of the proposed Rehabilitation Act >language references Section 14(c) of the 1938 >Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows >certain entities holding special wage >certificates to pay workers with disabilities >less than the federal minimum wage. > > > >For more information on the National Federation >of the Blind and fair wages for workers with >disabilities, please visit www.nfb.org. > > > > > >### > > > > > >About the National Federation of the Blind > > > >With more than 50,000 members, the National >Federation of the Blind is the largest and most >influential membership organization of blind >people in the United States. The NFB improves >blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, >research, technology, and programs encouraging >independence and self-confidence. It is the >leading force in the blindness field today and >the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 >the NFB opened the National Federation of the >Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and >training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From dandrews at visi.com Fri Jul 22 06:21:22 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 01:21:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest SubminimumWages In-Reply-To: References: <4e276dee.8a72e50a.24e2.27eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Some local chapters are protesting, some state affiliates. Please contact your most local NFB entity and see what is planned. Dave At 09:54 PM 7/20/2011, you wrote: >I am wondering. Are local chapters doing >protests also? -----Original Message----- From: >nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >David Dodge Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:41 >PM To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >[Nfb-announce] Blind Americans to Protest >SubminimumWages I would really like to help out >with this if individual states are doing >protests. Please let me know if any of you know >what is going on in NY. Thanks. David >---------------------------------- David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State >University of New York Student Assembly English >Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu 2011/7/20 > > Chris, > Everyone >already got this message. But anyway is anyone >going to protest? > It says in front of their >offices. Does this mean its only in DC then or > >local congressmen's offices? > I hope to get >more details from my state president as to when >and where > they will be and I might go to one. >This is a very important issue. > > Ashley > > >-----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum > >Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:07 PM > To: >Blind Talk list ; NABS list ; NFBMD list ; NFB >history list ; Josh > Gregory ; Nathan Clark ; >Mrs. Otwell ; Aloma Bouma ; Fred Schroeder > >Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-announce] Blind Americans >to Protest Subminimum > Wages > > > > ---- >Original Message ------ > From: "Freeh,Jessica" > (by way of David Andrews > >) > Subject: [Nfb-announce] >Blind Americans to Protest Subminimum > Wages > >Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:32:54 -0500 > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > CONTACT: > > Chris >Danielsen > > Director of Public Relations > > >National Federation of the Blind > > (410) >659-9314, extension 2330 > > (410) 262-1281 >(Cell) > > cdanielsen at nfb.org > > > Blind >Americans to Protest Subminimum Wages > > > > > >Members of National Federation of the Blind >Plan > Informational Pickets Across United >States > > > > Baltimore, Maryland (July 20, >2011): The National > Federation of the Blind, >the oldest and largest > nationwide organization >of blind people, > announced today that its >members will conduct > informational protests >across the United States > to raise awareness >about the practice of paying > wages below the >federal minimum wage to Americans > with >disabilities. The protests will take place > at >the primary district office locations of > >United States Senators serving on the Senate > >Committee on Health, Education, Labor and > >Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP > >Committee is currently considering > >legislation춗he Workforce Investment >Act춛hich > would reauthorize the payment of >subminimum wages to disabled > workers. > > > > >Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National > >Federation of the Blind, said: ë°¬nequal pay >for > equal work on the basis of disability is >unfair, > discriminatory, and immoral. The >senators who > serve on the HELP Committee must >decide whether > they stand for the outrageous >exploitation of > disabled workers, or for true >equality for Americans with > >disabilities.? > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, >the HELP Committee is > scheduled to vote on the >Workforce Investment Act > (WIA), which contains >language reauthorizing the > Rehabilitation Act >of 1973, as amended. The > Rehabilitation Act >is supposed to provide > services to disabled >Americans so that they can > obtain competitive >employment, but Title V, > Section 511 of the >proposed Rehabilitation Act > language >references Section 14(c) of the 1938 > Fair >Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows > >certain entities holding special wage > >certificates to pay workers with disabilities > >less than the federal minimum wage. > > > > For >more information on the National Federation > of >the Blind and fair wages for workers with > >disabilities, please visit >www.nfb.**org > > . > > > > > > ### > > > > > > About the >National Federation of the Blind > > > > With >more than 50,000 members, the National > >Federation of the Blind is the largest and >most > influential membership organization of >blind > people in the United States. The NFB >improves > blind peopleë­© lives through >advocacy, education, > research, technology, and >programs encouraging > independence and >self-confidence. It is the > leading force in >the blindness field today and > the voice of the >nation's blind. In January 2004 > the NFB >opened the National Federation of the > Blind >Jernigan Institute, the first research and > >training center in the United States for the >blind led by the > blind. > > > > > > > > > > From startrekcafe at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 07:33:01 2011 From: startrekcafe at gmail.com (Marvin Hunkin) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:33:01 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] installing windows 7 Message-ID: <6389DCBB3AD744B5BA3911F50DF7DC7F@MARVINPC> hi. got a toshiba a300 satellite psag4a 2300 and now looking to install windows 7 professional. now i have two particions. a main c drive and a 80 gb or 75 gb hidden particion. when i do a custom install, will it preserve the two particions. and keep my hidden particion. if not, i need to use toshiba disk creator, which is not accessible with jaws i think, and i need to purcahse a few blank dvds. please give me the information, and what i need to keep this. in future, i need to do a factory restore, in the future. marvin. From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 16:49:33 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:49:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilitiesofuniversities In-Reply-To: <05A283FA18F042F0AA1BE0733BC27729@OwnerPC> References: <4196E01E-8821-47F0-BF95-507DDD8F3DB7@gmail.com> <06A157C9704B402F9A58645FFD4BA067@OwnerPC> <20110713012922.GF75283@yumi.bluecherry.net> <8ECF4244C12848EB8A436E832AA34111@HumbertoAvila> <05A283FA18F042F0AA1BE0733BC27729@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Anjelina and Everyone: Anjelina, I would fight this so you can pave the way for other students in the future. Here is a link that might help you I found in Future Reflections. It is www.nfb.org/technologyform. I would fill this out and then contact the national office for help. I don't remember everything that was said but at the NABS meeting last year and at this year's convention they talked about access to websites and such for students in higher education which you are a part of. I forget who it was but this year there was a table in the exhibit hall where you could go and talk to people about inaccessible websites and such at your college. I did not go and do this but I know it was there and I know it was talked about at length at last year's NABS meeting. Hope taht helps. Kerri On 7/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Humberto, > You'll be alright and by the time you graduate I bet the economy will have > improved. > No we can't feel threatened or intimidated for asserting our rights. > As for budgets, they can find the money to provide the minimum of services, > the basics like access to textbooks and computers with screen readers. > No they may not fix everything, but they can provide the basics. When more > money comes in, hopefully blind students will get more services. > As I said in other posts, colleges have money for entertainment and sports > stuff, lots of it. > So they can make a few thousand for assistive technology/books if they want > to make it a priority. Those plasma tvs costs thousands that were just > bought for nova's student lounges. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:55 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and > responsibilitiesofuniversities > > And, are these negative attitudes towards are economy and our rights, to get > accommodations, to get all the books that we request either in Braille or > electronically, to get all our material on time, to get access to technology > like the other students, and to get our access to our education, going to > threaten the blind community? > I understand the economy is suffering. I can understand that though > the government is trying its best to help people in action, it is not and it > is cutting federal funding as well as programs, and many businesses are in a > budget now days. While these facts are true, what does this mean? Are > federal and local governments also putting a budget cut within the > disability support offices in colleges? Does this mean it will be much > difficult to even request services from them? > if this is truly happening, what should we do? As I embark into my > freshman year in college, I am quite startled at these negative thinkings, > or otherwise challenges, that we the blind would have to go through. > I want to be able to contribute to taxes some day, get a stable > good-paying career job, and do all that stuff, yet I'm not letting this > stupid economy hold me back! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of T. Joseph Carter > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities > ofuniversities > > Be prepared to document EVERYTHING. Get it in writing, save every > email you receive or send out. Come up with an indexing system now, > because you'll need it later. Don't expect that just because you're > facing discrimination that the NFB will come to your rescue with > legal help-I had email where the professors actively said they were > looking for a student teaching site that would ensure I failed, and > yet I had no support. > > You may never get anything for your efforts, and your efforts may be > long indeed. But you can pave the way for others, if you're > determined to do it. I was, and I did. It ended my career before it > began though. Others have benefited from my work, including one of > our scholarship winners this year. > > Joseph > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:20:51PM -0400, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: >> >> >>Get ready for retaliatory acts by your school. Here in NYC at educational > institutions such as CUNY, they are good at that. Your grades and > reputation will suffer. I am unable to get into graduate school or get a > job since I have been blasted on websites and blogs for my advocacy efferts. > My GPA went from a 3.9 to a final 2.6. So much for trying to ""lives the > American dream." while helping others. I dealt with this when the economy > was good; just, picture what you are against now that every corporation > blames the economy and current-day politics. This happens regardless of the > special funding that they receive superseding the current economical > situation. >>Sorry for the rant, >>Joe >> >> >> >> >>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:17:00 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities > ofuniversities >>> >>> Anjelina, >>> There are some similar issues at Nova, northern Virginia community > college; >>> I started a writing certificate there and ran into access issues. While > the >>> site for grades, transcripts, etc wasn't inaccessible, I'd say it wasn't >>> very screen reader friendly. >>> >>> I complained about inaccessible stuff on the website like unlabeled >>> graphics. I also requested an update to jaws in the library. >>> I haven't seen much change; not to mention several violations of ADA to > the >>> environment for those with physical disabilities; all doors should be > wide >>> enough for wheel chairs and they need more push buttons for doors. >>> >>> Yes its reasonable to request jaws. Its about the same access; all other >>> students have the access to computers on campus and you should have > access >>> to at least some of them. Your tuition covers technology access. >>> >>> I'd make a written complaint if I were you and go up the chain of > command. >>> Mention in your complaint about how schools need to comply with section > 508 >>> regulations. I assume your school receives federal support and if they > do, >>> they are bound by civil rights laws like ADA and section 508 of the rehab >>> act. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Anjelina >>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:36 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] rights as blind students and responsibilities >>> ofuniversities >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I hope all who attended convention had a great time. The stream was very >>> informative. >>> My University has gradually migrated to a system called Banner self > service. >>> All students are required to use the system for scheduling, financial > aid, >>> updating information among other functions. The site is not fully >>> accessible. Even with Safari and Voiceover, JAWS with Firefox and IE9 I'm >>> unable to activate buttons or links. I've contacted the ds office and the >>> tech office. This might be a silly question but I'm wondering how much > time >>> is reasonable to give to see significant change? >>> AAs a blind student is it unreasonable to request JAWS in the library, or > am >>> I responsible for providing a key? I've always just taken my laptop with > me >>> when having to do group work which is a work around. >>> Thanks for your input. >>> >>> Anjelina >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl > ink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Sat Jul 23 01:28:37 2011 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:28:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seminars, cooking, the Federation and my boredom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I just want to say that for blind people who have never before learned to cook, the first and easiest thing to learn, not to mention a confidence-builder, is to prepare no-cook meals. Once that is mastered, the oven and stove, (which, to some, can be viewed as somewhat frightening at first), can then be looked at. Also, someone who is blind might have other disabilities such as neuropathy (lost feeling in hands and feet) or cognitive abilities that make it so using the stove is more difficult or just not doable. The bottom line is that everyone has individual needs, and what may be easy for one person may not be so for another. I also do not think this seminar was meant to be demeaning at all. I feel that Hadley has a very well-respected reputation and opinion of what blind people are capable of. Just my thoughts. Liz Bottner Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Seminars, cooking, the Federation and my boredom Hello, I actually don't have much work to do today so I've been perusing some NFB email list, and I've been intrigued by this discussion on a cooking seminar offered by Hadley. At the risk of keeping this vein open, I have my own tidbits to offer on the topic. While I hold my own views on institutions like Hadley, I do believe we all have the right to access resources available that we feel provide us with knowledge and assistance, and we have the right to use these resources without being attacked or condescended to. Not that I'm suggesting anyone here has behaved in such a manner. As human beings, it is our fundamental right to educate ourselves in ways we see best. And people shouldn't make us feel guilty or dependent for choosing certain routes. However, we can, and should, challenge one another. If we have personal experiences we feel can help others, by all means share. And if we believe people are not reaching their full potential, we should provide suggestions and resources. Ultimately, it is about an informed decision. If I believe I have access to information and resources that will inform people about the cooking process nonvisually and does not require a seminar, they I should share my knowledge so you have been presented with different sides and opinions and can now choose what option fits best. Trust me, I can play the finger-pointing, condescending game too, but where does this get us? People don't respond to this- in fact, they will probably shut down and refuse to listen to anything you have to say. It's all about presentation. Do I believe we can learn nonvisual cooking techniques without a seminar, yes, and I can share my personal process and provide further info, but I also understand it is not my place, necessarily, to question in a negative way if others are enthusiastic about something like an online seminar. Based on my understanding and interpretation, it does seem a tad demeaning that a seminar about cooking that is specifically advertised to and for blind people is about preparing food that does not require cooking/baking. Where is the difficulty in making something like a sandwich or salad? I honestly fail to understand why such a seminar is necessary. Blind or sighted, if food does not require cooking/baking elements, where is the difficulty? The confusion? To be honest, whether this is the intention or not, it does seem to say that it is better for blind people to avoid preparing meals that require boiling, cooking on a hot stove top or baking in a hot oven. I would be interested to know if they also "taught" non-cooking meals that did not require utensils like knives too. I have to say, while this seminar may not be all bad, it does not seem Hadley is challenging blind people. If this was about a seminar teaching basic cooking skills, or how to prepare easy recipes, I could get on board, but the fact that this seems to be about learning alternative ways to make cold or non-cooked meals, well, once again I ask, how hard is it to make these types of food, or figure out "adaptive" ways to do it? Adaptive techniques are not really necessary to make meals like this. Personally, I never struggled to figure my way around a kitchen once I lost my sight. I simply continued doing things how I always did them, and problem solved when I required an accommodation. I've yet to meet an obstacle while cooking that I couldn't figure out on my own and in a matter of minutes. For me, it was all common sense. And numerous accessible devices exist for the kitchen, but in my experience, 99% of them are not necessary, and a lot of these products are unfortunately cheaply made and just don't hold up over time. The few accessible devices I use are a talking digital timer, a talking meat thermometer, crooked measuring spoons and Braille labels for food products. Beyond this, I've not required accessible special items. And I do some pretty fancy stuff in the kitchen. However, if you feel something like a seminar is essential for you to learn more about nonvisual cooking, that is your right. I'm sure similar seminars have benefited many people, and the ultimate outcome is for blind people to be independent; what does it matter how we get there? I still think it is better to leave our comfort zone. Hadley should operate to challenge us. A course on basic cooking skills would review adaptive techniques just as much as any other course on cooking. I don't know what kind of "recipes" they plan on teaching during this seminar, but I can't imagine, for the life of me, what type of non-cooked recipe requires a 60 minute lesson. And my understanding is that with Hadley classes, registered students have like a year or something to complete a course, and even then, they can still finish the class without any penalties. How does this challenge us? How does it prepare us for the "real world?" No credited college or place of business will follow such practices. My knowledge of Hadley is limited, although I do know someone currently taking a Hadley class and this is how I found out about their rule on completion with a class. It just does not seem to profess a program geared towards preparing people for any real life situation, whether it be a credited school, employment or even personal pursuits. Deadlines and guidelines exist for everything, and if an institution like Hadley does not require registraints to adhere to any tangible deadline, it does not challenge or prepare anyone for a life of true equality. Now, I have a point to bring up that I take umbrage with. The intent behind this comment may have been different than how it sounds, but it was stated that, "I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food and keep tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques." Where did anyone get the idea that the NFB does not like adaptive techniques? That is what we instill in people- that we can be completely independent by using some adaptive skills and techniques at times. And we have an entire online store, the Independence Market, that sells a myriad of products and devices that can be purchased and used. If we did not use or advertise alternative and adaptive techniques, we would not experience the kind of independence the NFB boast about. And we are entirely aware, being an organization of blind people, that we often learn tactilely and that this in essence is employing an adaptive technique. I've never heard a NFB member say adaptive techniques were bad or wrong either in private conversation or during a speech or presentation like at convention or elsewhere. Many of us may not feel items like talking microwaves or liquid measuring devices are necessary, but this does not mean we balk at all and any adaptive technique. It is in fact impossible to live as a blind person and not use adaptive techniques- either ones learned in training or advertised by the NFB, or ones you create on your own. I will now be politically incorrect and potentially offensive and say that the statement that the NFB is against adaptive techniques is ludicrous. Well, now that I've written a novel, I will end with this: Whenever people tell me I'm doing a good job, I simply give my brightest smile and say, "Thanks. You're doing a good job too." Works like a charm! *smile* Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Are you saying that we may not dare to ask certain questions if they may upset the sighted public, even here amongst our blind peers? If so, I emphatically disagree, but I am not sure I am understanding you correctly. I asked an honest question of the members of the NABS list, as to whether or not this seminar by Hadley?n organization that deals in blindness and nothing but?eemed condescending at all to anyone else. It did to me, but I acknowledged in the asking that I? basically cynical and jaded about such things. I accept that the majority opinion is that no, there? nothing wrong with Hadley? seminar. But I make no apology whatsoever for asking the question on an NFB list. The missing of the NFB is to attain equality for the blind by giving us the means to be regarded as any other non-blind person, and then treating us accordingly. We cannot do that if, even within our own organization, we cannot discuss whether or not those who provide us with services are working toward that goal or against it. Some of us are perhaps overly sensitive to these issues, and I certainly count myself among them. But that? why I asked the question here, on an NFB list, to other generally like-minded blind people. I did not put the question out to the sighted public, who generally wouldn? be expected to understand what the big deal is (even my own sighted friends and loved ones wouldn? get it!) If we start mincing words here, then the next time some ignorant sightie (yes, I said ignorant sightie) comes up to one of us as we?e walking down the street and says, "You?e doing SUCH A GOOD JOB," we?e likely to get the idea that we should accept the "compliment" we?e being given, despite the fact that walking is a task most two year olds have largely mastered. How else would we know it was acceptable to consider that a sign of ignorance we should correct if we can? Or that it was okay to maybe be a little offended ourselves that this is what we are reduced to in that person? estimation? I? not generally known for political correctness. I? certainly not known for it regarding blindness on NFB mailing lists. I do not expect that will change in the near future. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:37:29PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: Hi, Joseph, 'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of no-cook recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, contained in the helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness whatsoever. Furthermore, I believe there are even occasions in which , no-cook food preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish would be inappropriate. To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations will do actual wonders for our social ambiguities, doncha think? Please, easy on the over reactions! for today, Car7/19/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar but that time doesn't work for me. Maybe they are archived; the wording of it says its summer and they want to talk about food prep that doesn't require a hot kitchen. Also it says whether you are preparing for yourself or to impress guests. So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare for yourself, family or friends; whatever you need to do. Hadley targets many many people including teachers of the blind and visually impaired; newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I take it that this is an overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its probably something basic that most could follow from the novice cook to the advanced cook who wants something simple. I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more into things sometimes. It does say they will discuss tips for people with visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. Many blind cooks use a tray or something to put their pots and pans and bowls on while preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to clean up. Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know when their cup is full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger to fill the bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't want to use their finger, the liquid level indicator is an option. We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food and keep tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques. Anyone may want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind people. However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such a topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, anyone who attends can judge afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice I?? of two minds on this, perhaps I?? being overly sensitive. First, there?? the notion of a seminar for preparing food without cooking it. Where do I begin? Let?? start with the seminar itself: Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how to follow a recipe. Either you can or you don?? have the requisite skills to do it. If you don?? have the skills, I?? not sure how a 60 minute webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes should suffice, and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes (though not often the no-cooking variety) with the assumption that fellow blind readers can follow them if they are so inclined. Then there?? the no cooking aspect. Inherently in this is the unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or should not be cooking food. Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME food prep skill, even if you??e never learned to "cook" as such, and your skill mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. But as I said, perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar format could allow for suggestions for improving the recipes a bit (in which case an hour seems too short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe that?? what they??e got in mind. Possibly the no-cook aspect has more to do with the idea that it?? summer and you don?? want to spend a lot of time in a hot kitchen?r that you would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the year. Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on campus and don?? have the means to cook in any traditional way. Or maybe, it?? because we??e blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai l.com From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jul 23 01:40:15 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:40:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] Guidelines for Tactile Graphics Now Available on BANA Website Message-ID: > >ANNOUNCEMENT > >CONTACT: Judy Dixon, Chair > >Braille Authority of "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />North America > >Phone: 202-707-0722 > >Email: jdix at loc.gov > > > > > >Guidelines and Standards for Tactile Graphics, 2010 > >Now Available on BANA Website > > > >The Braille Authority of North America (BANA) is pleased to announce >that the HTML web version of the Guidelines and Standards for >Tactile Graphics, 2010 is now available on the BANA website. This >is the initial release of this long-anticipated publication. You can >access the guidelines at the following link: >www.brailleauthority.org/tg > >For additional information and resources, visit >www.brailleauthority.org > > > > > > > >The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America >are to assure literacy for tactile readers through the >standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes >and facilitates the use, teaching, and production of braille. It >publishes rules, interprets, and renders opinions pertaining to >braille in all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence >or to be developed in the future, in collaboration with other >countries using English braille. In exercising its function and >authority, BANA considers the effects of its decisions on other >existing braille codes and formats; the ease of production by >various methods; and acceptability to readers. > > >_______________________________________________ >BANA-Announce mailing list >BANA-Announce at brailleauthority.org >http://www.brailleauthority.org/mailman/listinfo/bana-announce From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 02:33:22 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:33:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Seminars, cooking, the Federation and my boredom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110723023322.GH2840@yumi.bluecherry.net> I’d like no cook recipes for just a few ingredients because it’s too hot in my kitchen before I turn on the stove, and because I’m a lazy bachelor. *grin* Joseph - KF7QZC On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 08:28:37PM -0500, Liz Bottner wrote: >Hi all, > I just want to say that for blind people who have never before learned >to cook, the first and easiest thing to learn, not to mention a >confidence-builder, is to prepare no-cook meals. Once that is mastered, the >oven and stove, (which, to some, can be viewed as somewhat frightening at >first), can then be looked at. Also, someone who is blind might have other >disabilities such as neuropathy (lost feeling in hands and feet) or >cognitive abilities that make it so using the stove is more difficult or >just not doable. The bottom line is that everyone has individual needs, and >what may be easy for one person may not be so for another. I also do not >think this seminar was meant to be demeaning at all. I feel that Hadley has >a very well-respected reputation and opinion of what blind people are >capable of. > >Just my thoughts. > >Liz Bottner >Guiding Eyes Graduate Council >GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 >e-mail: >liziswhatis at hotmail.com >Visit my LiveJournal: >http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >Follow me on Twitter: >http://twitter.com/lizbot > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Bridgit Pollpeter >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:32 PM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] Seminars, cooking, the Federation and my boredom > >Hello, > >I actually don't have much work to do today so I've been perusing some >NFB email list, and I've been intrigued by this discussion on a cooking >seminar offered by Hadley. At the risk of keeping this vein open, I >have my own tidbits to offer on the topic. > >While I hold my own views on institutions like Hadley, I do believe we >all have the right to access resources available that we feel provide us >with knowledge and assistance, and we have the right to use these >resources without being attacked or condescended to. Not that I'm >suggesting anyone here has behaved in such a manner. > >As human beings, it is our fundamental right to educate ourselves in >ways we see best. And people shouldn't make us feel guilty or dependent >for choosing certain routes. > >However, we can, and should, challenge one another. If we have personal >experiences we feel can help others, by all means share. And if we >believe people are not reaching their full potential, we should provide >suggestions and resources. > >Ultimately, it is about an informed decision. If I believe I have >access to information and resources that will inform people about the >cooking process nonvisually and does not require a seminar, they I >should share my knowledge so you have been presented with different >sides and opinions and can now choose what option fits best. > >Trust me, I can play the finger-pointing, condescending game too, but >where does this get us? People don't respond to this- in fact, they >will probably shut down and refuse to listen to anything you have to >say. It's all about presentation. Do I believe we can learn nonvisual >cooking techniques without a seminar, yes, and I can share my personal >process and provide further info, but I also understand it is not my >place, necessarily, to question in a negative way if others are >enthusiastic about something like an online seminar. > >Based on my understanding and interpretation, it does seem a tad >demeaning that a seminar about cooking that is specifically advertised >to and for blind people is about preparing food that does not require >cooking/baking. Where is the difficulty in making something like a >sandwich or salad? I honestly fail to understand why such a seminar is >necessary. Blind or sighted, if food does not require cooking/baking >elements, where is the difficulty? The confusion? To be honest, >whether this is the intention or not, it does seem to say that it is >better for blind people to avoid preparing meals that require boiling, >cooking on a hot stove top or baking in a hot oven. I would be >interested to know if they also "taught" non-cooking meals that did not >require utensils like knives too. > >I have to say, while this seminar may not be all bad, it does not seem >Hadley is challenging blind people. If this was about a seminar >teaching basic cooking skills, or how to prepare easy recipes, I could >get on board, but the fact that this seems to be about learning >alternative ways to make cold or non-cooked meals, well, once again I >ask, how hard is it to make these types of food, or figure out >"adaptive" ways to do it? Adaptive techniques are not really necessary >to make meals like this. > >Personally, I never struggled to figure my way around a kitchen once I >lost my sight. I simply continued doing things how I always did them, >and problem solved when I required an accommodation. I've yet to meet >an obstacle while cooking that I couldn't figure out on my own and in a >matter of minutes. For me, it was all common sense. And numerous >accessible devices exist for the kitchen, but in my experience, 99% of >them are not necessary, and a lot of these products are unfortunately >cheaply made and just don't hold up over time. > >The few accessible devices I use are a talking digital timer, a talking >meat thermometer, crooked measuring spoons and Braille labels for food >products. Beyond this, I've not required accessible special items. And >I do some pretty fancy stuff in the kitchen. > >However, if you feel something like a seminar is essential for you to >learn more about nonvisual cooking, that is your right. I'm sure >similar seminars have benefited many people, and the ultimate outcome is >for blind people to be independent; what does it matter how we get >there? > >I still think it is better to leave our comfort zone. Hadley should >operate to challenge us. A course on basic cooking skills would review >adaptive techniques just as much as any other course on cooking. I >don't know what kind of "recipes" they plan on teaching during this >seminar, but I can't imagine, for the life of me, what type of >non-cooked recipe requires a 60 minute lesson. > >And my understanding is that with Hadley classes, registered students >have like a year or something to complete a course, and even then, they >can still finish the class without any penalties. How does this >challenge us? How does it prepare us for the "real world?" No credited >college or place of business will follow such practices. My knowledge >of Hadley is limited, although I do know someone currently taking a >Hadley class and this is how I found out about their rule on completion >with a class. It just does not seem to profess a program geared towards >preparing people for any real life situation, whether it be a credited >school, employment or even personal pursuits. Deadlines and guidelines >exist for everything, and if an institution like Hadley does not require >registraints to adhere to any tangible deadline, it does not challenge >or prepare anyone for a life of true equality. > >Now, I have a point to bring up that I take umbrage with. > >The intent behind this comment may have been different than how it >sounds, but it was stated that, "I know NFB people don't like adaptive >techniques sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need >adaptive techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. >We often use the sense of touch instead of seeing to know the >consistency of food and keep tabs on what we are doing. So those are >adaptive techniques." > >Where did anyone get the idea that the NFB does not like adaptive >techniques? That is what we instill in people- that we can be >completely independent by using some adaptive skills and techniques at >times. And we have an entire online store, the Independence Market, >that sells a myriad of products and devices that can be purchased and >used. > >If we did not use or advertise alternative and adaptive techniques, we >would not experience the kind of independence the NFB boast about. And >we are entirely aware, being an organization of blind people, that we >often learn tactilely and that this in essence is employing an adaptive >technique. I've never heard a NFB member say adaptive techniques were >bad or wrong either in private conversation or during a speech or >presentation like at convention or elsewhere. > >Many of us may not feel items like talking microwaves or liquid >measuring devices are necessary, but this does not mean we balk at all >and any adaptive technique. It is in fact impossible to live as a blind >person and not use adaptive techniques- either ones learned in training >or advertised by the NFB, or ones you create on your own. > >I will now be politically incorrect and potentially offensive and say >that the statement that the NFB is against adaptive techniques is >ludicrous. > >Well, now that I've written a novel, I will end with this: > >Whenever people tell me I'm doing a good job, I simply give my brightest >smile and say, "Thanks. You're doing a good job too." Works like a >charm! *smile* > >Sincerely, >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > >Are you saying that we may not dare to ask certain questions if >they may > upset the sighted public, even here amongst our blind peers? If >so, I > emphatically disagree, but I am not sure I am understanding you >correctly. > > I asked an honest question of the members of the NABS list, as >to whether > or not this seminar by Hadley?n organization that deals in >blindness and > nothing but?eemed condescending at all to > anyone else. It did to me, but I > acknowledged in the asking that I? basically cynical and jaded >about such > things. > > I accept that the majority opinion is that no, there? nothing >wrong with > Hadley? seminar. But I make no apology whatsoever for asking >the question > on an NFB list. > > The missing of the NFB is to attain equality for the blind by >giving us the > means to be regarded as any other non-blind person, and then >treating us > accordingly. We cannot do that if, even within our own >organization, we > cannot discuss whether or not those who > provide us with services are working > toward that goal or against it. > > Some of us are perhaps overly sensitive to these issues, and I >certainly > count myself among them. But that? why I asked the question >here, on an > NFB list, to other generally like-minded blind people. I did >not put the > question out to the sighted public, who generally wouldn? be >expected to > understand what the big deal is (even my own sighted friends and >loved ones > wouldn? get it!) > > If we start mincing words here, then the next time some ignorant >sightie > (yes, I said ignorant sightie) comes up to one of us as we?e >walking down > the street and says, "You?e doing SUCH A > GOOD JOB," we?e likely to get the > idea that we should accept the "compliment" we?e being given, >despite the > fact that walking is a task most two year olds have largely >mastered. How > else would we know it was acceptable to > consider that a sign of ignorance we > should correct if we can? Or that it was > okay to maybe be a little offended > ourselves that this is what we are reduced to in that person? >estimation? > > I? not generally known for political correctness. I? >certainly not known > for it regarding blindness on NFB mailing lists. I do not >expect that will > change in the near future. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:37:29PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis Esq. >wrote: > > > > Hi, Joseph, > > 'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of >no-cook > recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, >contained in the > helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness >whatsoever. > Furthermore, I believe there are even occasions in which , >no-cook food > preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish would be >inappropriate. > > To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations >will do > actual wonders for our social ambiguities, doncha think? Please, easy >on the over reactions! for today, Car7/19/2011, >bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley >webinar > but that time doesn't work for me. Maybe > they are archived; the wording of > it says its summer and they want to talk about food prep that >doesn't > require a hot kitchen. Also it says whether > you are preparing for yourself > or to impress guests. So therefore they are > assuming that you will prepare > for yourself, family or friends; whatever you need to do. >Hadley targets > many many people including teachers of the blind and visually >impaired; > newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I take it that >this is an > overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its probably something >basic that > most could follow from the novice cook to the advanced cook who >wants > something simple. I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we >read more > into things sometimes. It does say they will discuss tips for >people with > visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like adaptive >techniques > sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need >adaptive > techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. >Many blind > cooks use a tray or something to put > their pots and pans and bowls on while > preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to >clean up. > Some blind people use liquid level indicators to know when >their cup is > full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger to >fill the > bowl/cup or judge by sound. But for those who can't or don't >want to use > their finger, the liquid level indicator is an option. We often >use the > sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food >and keep > tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques. >Anyone may > want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just decided to target it >to blind > people. However I do agree a sixty minute > seminar is too short to cover such > a topic. But I guess that is all the time they had. Well, >anyone who > attends can judge afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- >From: T. > Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 > 3:10 PM To: National Association > of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: > [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming > Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New >Accessible Apps > for Your iDevice I?? of two minds on this, perhaps I?? being >overly > sensitive. First, there?? the notion of a seminar for >preparing food > without cooking it. Where do I begin? Let?? start with the >seminar > itself: Most sighted people would never > expect a seminar to teach them how > to follow a recipe. Either you can or you > don?? have the requisite skills > to do it. If you don?? have the skills, I?? not sure how a >60 minute > webcast is going to help you get them. A list of recipes should >suffice, > and indeed our own Braille Monitor > publishes recipes (though not often the > no-cooking variety) with the assumption > that fellow blind readers can follow > them if they are so inclined. Then there?? the no cooking >aspect. > Inherently in this is the unavoidable > assumption that the blind cannot or > should not be cooking food. Any of you who > live alone doubtlessly have SOME > food prep skill, even if you??e never > learned to "cook" as such, and your > skill mostly consists of using a microwave > and boiling water. But as I said, > perhaps I am being overly sensitive. The seminar format could >allow for > suggestions for improving the recipes a bit > (in which case an hour seems too > short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe >that?? what > they??e got in mind. Possibly the > no-cook aspect has more to do with the > idea that it?? summer and you don?? > want to spend a lot of time in a hot > kitchen?r that you would prefer cold > foods to hot ones at this time of the > year. Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students >who live on > campus and don?? have the means to cook > in any traditional way. Or maybe, > it?? because we??e blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai >l.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From jp100 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 23 08:20:04 2011 From: jp100 at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:20:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system Message-ID: <000001cc4911$53f5c870$fbe15950$@net> Hello, I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read people's responses. I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit enter. Then what? I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I see a new edit box. Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different people. I'm trying the regular www.facebook.com website, and an not sure how to proceed. Any help would be appreciated. Jim From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 12:28:14 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 08:28:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system In-Reply-To: <000001cc4911$53f5c870$fbe15950$@net> Message-ID: <4e2abe68.8d6adc0a.5047.3977@mx.google.com> I used to be able to use it but I now run in to the same problem you are speaking of. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:20 AM To: Jim Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system Hello, I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read people's responses. I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit enter. Then what? I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I see a new edit box. Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different people. I'm trying the regular www.facebook.com website, and an not sure how to proceed. Any help would be appreciated. Jim _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 12:41:45 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 08:41:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system In-Reply-To: <4e2abe68.8d6adc0a.5047.3977@mx.google.com> References: <4e2abe68.8d6adc0a.5047.3977@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <44CA0C258565478E9EFC0B3C80D77FDD@AnjelinaPC> An alternative to the main Facebook site is linking AIM with your Facebook account. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:28 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system I used to be able to use it but I now run in to the same problem you are speaking of. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:20 AM To: Jim Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system Hello, I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read people's responses. I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit enter. Then what? I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I see a new edit box. Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different people. I'm trying the regular www.facebook.com website, and an not sure how to proceed. Any help would be appreciated. Jim _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 13:35:00 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:35:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system In-Reply-To: <44CA0C258565478E9EFC0B3C80D77FDD@AnjelinaPC> References: <4e2abe68.8d6adc0a.5047.3977@mx.google.com> <44CA0C258565478E9EFC0B3C80D77FDD@AnjelinaPC> Message-ID: When you click on there name and then write a message, you press enter in the edit box to send it. Then when they reply, you will hear a popping sound and then go up and look at the message. If you have some setting fixed so that the screen can not refresh on its on, you might have to press insurt escape to refresh the page to get the message to show up. On 7/23/11, Anjelina wrote: > An alternative to the main Facebook site is linking AIM with your Facebook > account. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rania Ismail CMT > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:28 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system > > I used to be able to use it but I now run in to the same problem you are > speaking of. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Jim > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:20 AM > To: Jim > Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system > > Hello, > > > > I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been > trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read > people's responses. > > I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit > box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit > enter. > > Then what? > > I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I > see a new edit box. > > Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different people. > > I'm trying the regular > > www.facebook.com > > website, and an not sure how to proceed. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > Anjelina > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From jp100 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 23 18:23:39 2011 From: jp100 at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:23:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system In-Reply-To: <44CA0C258565478E9EFC0B3C80D77FDD@AnjelinaPC> References: <4e2abe68.8d6adc0a.5047.3977@mx.google.com> <44CA0C258565478E9EFC0B3C80D77FDD@AnjelinaPC> Message-ID: <003801cc4965$a551ae60$eff50b20$@earthlink.net> Thanks. I'd like to find an actual answer or solution before needing to find an alternative. If it works, then that's one less program to worry about. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system An alternative to the main Facebook site is linking AIM with your Facebook account. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:28 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system I used to be able to use it but I now run in to the same problem you are speaking of. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:20 AM To: Jim Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system Hello, I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read people's responses. I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit enter. Then what? I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I see a new edit box. Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different people. I'm trying the regular www.facebook.com website, and an not sure how to proceed. Any help would be appreciated. Jim _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jp100%40earthlink.ne t From jp100 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 23 20:13:23 2011 From: jp100 at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:13:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system In-Reply-To: References: <000001cc4911$53f5c870$fbe15950$@net> <6308B33D8B384039A8E3C25F3002E287@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <000001cc4974$f9cf5410$ed6dfc30$@net> Thanks. I definitely should have mentioned that I use JAWS 12. I apologize for that. I appreciate the answers to finding alternatives to the regular site. Because you guys are only talking about alternatives rather than answering the direct question, am I to assume that the chat feature is either very challenging or inaccessible? Someone gave me a wonderful explanation of the layout of the chat area, and I appreciate that! Thank you! So, let me narrow it down just a bit...mainly so as not to clutter this list with mail. Are other JAWS users using this chat feature, and if so, what are some tips? I appreciate the answers from others, but now rather than asking the general question, I'll get very specifically and taylor it more to screen reader users (mainly JAWS) who are using the actual Facebook site and not alternative clients or chat programs. If it is indeed useable, then why not try it before downloading extra clients? Thanks again! Jim -----Original Message----- From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nikki Wunderlich Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:01 PM To: Blind Talk Mailing List Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system you can use instant bird for your facebook chat. I do, and it works wonderfully the website to get it is www.instantbird.org Hope that helps! Nikki Wunderlich face book, my space, and MSN as well as email nikki0222 at gmail.com yahoo and AIM nikkiwunderlich skype and twitter nikki022285 cell 763-248-0106 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >I don't know if the facebook chat system is accessible with screen readers > since I haven't tried it myself, but it might not be. And it is not cool > because the mobile version of facebook, http://m.facebook.com, does not > support chat. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:20 AM > To: Jim > Subject: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system > > Hello, > > > > I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been > trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read > people's responses. > > I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit > box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit > enter. > > Then what? > > I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I > see a new edit box. > > Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different > people. > > I'm trying the regular > > www.facebook.com > > website, and an not sure how to proceed. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindtlk: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert > o2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindtlk: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/nikki0222%40gmail. com > _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jp100%40earthlink. net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 22:27:52 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:27:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [BANA-Announce] Guidelines for Tactile Graphics Now Available onBANA Website Message-ID: <4e2b4b05.2180650a.3793.ffffb6c8@mx.google.com> ---- Original Message ------ From: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment Type: application/octet-stream Size: 179 bytes Desc: not available URL: From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 22:50:11 2011 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:50:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system In-Reply-To: <000001cc4974$f9cf5410$ed6dfc30$@net> References: <000001cc4911$53f5c870$fbe15950$@net> <6308B33D8B384039A8E3C25F3002E287@HumbertoAvila> <000001cc4974$f9cf5410$ed6dfc30$@net> Message-ID: Hi, I'm pretty sure facebook just made some more changes to the chat system that made it inaccessible at the moment. I was using it only a couple of days ago and it worked fine. But now, I can't even find the chat area. I think a lot of jaws users are experiencing this problem because I've seen quite a few angry statuses. I know this is not a solution to the problem but at least you know what's going on. :) Minh On 7/23/11, Jim wrote: > Thanks. > I definitely should have mentioned that I use JAWS 12. I apologize for > that. > > I appreciate the answers to finding alternatives to the regular site. > Because you guys are only talking about alternatives rather than answering > the direct question, am I to assume that the chat feature is either very > challenging or inaccessible? > Someone gave me a wonderful explanation of the layout of the chat area, and > I appreciate that! Thank you! > > So, let me narrow it down just a bit...mainly so as not to clutter this list > with mail. > Are other JAWS users using this chat feature, and if so, what are some tips? > > I appreciate the answers from others, but now rather than asking the general > question, I'll get very specifically and taylor it more to screen reader > users (mainly JAWS) who are using the actual Facebook site and not > alternative clients or chat programs. If it is indeed useable, then why not > try it before downloading extra clients? > Thanks again! > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Nikki Wunderlich > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:01 PM > To: Blind Talk Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system > > you can use instant bird for your facebook chat. I do, and it works > wonderfully the website to get it is www.instantbird.org > Hope that helps! > Nikki Wunderlich > face book, my space, and MSN as well as email nikki0222 at gmail.com > yahoo and AIM nikkiwunderlich > skype and twitter nikki022285 > cell 763-248-0106 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system > > >>I don't know if the facebook chat system is accessible with screen readers >> since I haven't tried it myself, but it might not be. And it is not cool >> because the mobile version of facebook, http://m.facebook.com, does not >> support chat. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Jim >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:20 AM >> To: Jim >> Subject: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been >> trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read >> people's responses. >> >> I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit >> box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit >> enter. >> >> Then what? >> >> I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I >> see a new edit box. >> >> Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different >> people. >> >> I'm trying the regular >> >> www.facebook.com >> >> website, and an not sure how to proceed. >> >> >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindtlk: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert >> o2%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindtlk: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/nikki0222%40gmail. > com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindtlk: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jp100%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 23:20:20 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:20:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system In-Reply-To: References: <000001cc4911$53f5c870$fbe15950$@net> <6308B33D8B384039A8E3C25F3002E287@HumbertoAvila> <000001cc4974$f9cf5410$ed6dfc30$@net> Message-ID: I went and took a look at it myself and found that if you click on the link on the top of the page that is not labbled you get this message Chat is disabled until you logout and login again. So i did this and this was showing at the top of the page. A Faster Way to Message Just click to start a conversation with the friends you message the most. Your chat availability settings have not changed. Learn More or Hide This Try It Now Then i clicked on learn more and got this. Chat » Using the sidebar Using the sidebar How do I use the sidebar for messaging? The sidebar lets you quickly contact some of the friends you message most. Just clicking on a friend How do I message a friend who doesn’t appear in the sidebar? To message someone who isn’t listed in your sidebar, just type your friend’s name in the search box... How do I hide the sidebar? To collapse the sidebar, select Hide Sidebar from the actions menu in the bottom right corner of the Which friends appear in the sidebar? Can I add specific friends? The list of friends in your sidebar is based on who you’ve interacted with most frequently or recen... How do I message a friend who doesn’t appear in the sidebar? To message someone who isn’t listed in your sidebar, just type your friend’s name in the search box... Where are my chat friend lists? Since the list of friends in your sidebar now updates dynamically based on who you interact with, i... Top Questions list of 5 items I don’t have a webcam on my computer. Can I still make a call? How do I end a video call? What do I do if someone is using video calling to harass me? Will there be a record of my calls? Who can call me on Facebook? list end Of course I did not click on all the questions to get all the information but you get the jest of it all. On 7/23/11, minh ha wrote: > Hi, > > I'm pretty sure facebook just made some more changes to the chat > system that made it inaccessible at the moment. I was using it only a > couple of days ago and it worked fine. But now, I can't even find the > chat area. I think a lot of jaws users are experiencing this problem > because I've seen quite a few angry statuses. I know this is not a > solution to the problem but at least you know what's going on. :) > > Minh > > On 7/23/11, Jim wrote: >> Thanks. >> I definitely should have mentioned that I use JAWS 12. I apologize for >> that. >> >> I appreciate the answers to finding alternatives to the regular site. >> Because you guys are only talking about alternatives rather than answering >> the direct question, am I to assume that the chat feature is either very >> challenging or inaccessible? >> Someone gave me a wonderful explanation of the layout of the chat area, >> and >> I appreciate that! Thank you! >> >> So, let me narrow it down just a bit...mainly so as not to clutter this >> list >> with mail. >> Are other JAWS users using this chat feature, and if so, what are some >> tips? >> >> I appreciate the answers from others, but now rather than asking the >> general >> question, I'll get very specifically and taylor it more to screen reader >> users (mainly JAWS) who are using the actual Facebook site and not >> alternative clients or chat programs. If it is indeed useable, then why >> not >> try it before downloading extra clients? >> Thanks again! >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Nikki Wunderlich >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:01 PM >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >> >> you can use instant bird for your facebook chat. I do, and it works >> wonderfully the website to get it is www.instantbird.org >> Hope that helps! >> Nikki Wunderlich >> face book, my space, and MSN as well as email nikki0222 at gmail.com >> yahoo and AIM nikkiwunderlich >> skype and twitter nikki022285 >> cell 763-248-0106 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >> >> >>>I don't know if the facebook chat system is accessible with screen readers >>> since I haven't tried it myself, but it might not be. And it is not cool >>> because the mobile version of facebook, http://m.facebook.com, does not >>> support chat. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Jim >>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:20 AM >>> To: Jim >>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been >>> trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read >>> people's responses. >>> >>> I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An >>> edit >>> box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I >>> hit >>> enter. >>> >>> Then what? >>> >>> I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, >>> I >>> see a new edit box. >>> >>> Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different >>> people. >>> >>> I'm trying the regular >>> >>> www.facebook.com >>> >>> website, and an not sure how to proceed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindtlk: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert >>> o2%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindtlk: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/nikki0222%40gmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindtlk: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jp100%40earthlink. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 23:21:05 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:21:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] FW: NFB of Maryland Rally against sub-minimum wages Message-ID: <4e2b577e.2180650a.3793.ffffb7eb@mx.google.com> ---- Original Message ------ From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" References: <000001cc4911$53f5c870$fbe15950$@net> <6308B33D8B384039A8E3C25F3002E287@HumbertoAvila> <000001cc4974$f9cf5410$ed6dfc30$@net> Message-ID: Hi all, With the new chat format and JAWS go to the top of the page (CTL+H) and arrow down passed "translations" to list of17 items. Or just use the app. Hope this helps, Jordan mn-abs president Sent from my iPod On 23/07/2011, at 17:50, minh ha wrote: > Hi, > > I'm pretty sure facebook just made some more changes to the chat > system that made it inaccessible at the moment. I was using it only a > couple of days ago and it worked fine. But now, I can't even find the > chat area. I think a lot of jaws users are experiencing this problem > because I've seen quite a few angry statuses. I know this is not a > solution to the problem but at least you know what's going on. :) > > Minh > > On 7/23/11, Jim wrote: >> Thanks. >> I definitely should have mentioned that I use JAWS 12. I apologize for >> that. >> >> I appreciate the answers to finding alternatives to the regular site. >> Because you guys are only talking about alternatives rather than answering >> the direct question, am I to assume that the chat feature is either very >> challenging or inaccessible? >> Someone gave me a wonderful explanation of the layout of the chat area, and >> I appreciate that! Thank you! >> >> So, let me narrow it down just a bit...mainly so as not to clutter this list >> with mail. >> Are other JAWS users using this chat feature, and if so, what are some tips? >> >> I appreciate the answers from others, but now rather than asking the general >> question, I'll get very specifically and taylor it more to screen reader >> users (mainly JAWS) who are using the actual Facebook site and not >> alternative clients or chat programs. If it is indeed useable, then why not >> try it before downloading extra clients? >> Thanks again! >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Nikki Wunderlich >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:01 PM >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >> >> you can use instant bird for your facebook chat. I do, and it works >> wonderfully the website to get it is www.instantbird.org >> Hope that helps! >> Nikki Wunderlich >> face book, my space, and MSN as well as email nikki0222 at gmail.com >> yahoo and AIM nikkiwunderlich >> skype and twitter nikki022285 >> cell 763-248-0106 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >> >> >>> I don't know if the facebook chat system is accessible with screen readers >>> since I haven't tried it myself, but it might not be. And it is not cool >>> because the mobile version of facebook, http://m.facebook.com, does not >>> support chat. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Jim >>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:20 AM >>> To: Jim >>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been >>> trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read >>> people's responses. >>> >>> I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit >>> box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit >>> enter. >>> >>> Then what? >>> >>> I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I >>> see a new edit box. >>> >>> Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different >>> people. >>> >>> I'm trying the regular >>> >>> www.facebook.com >>> >>> website, and an not sure how to proceed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindtlk: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert >>> o2%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindtlk: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/nikki0222%40gmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindtlk: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jp100%40earthlink. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilrichie411%40gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 23:33:43 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:33:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system In-Reply-To: References: <000001cc4911$53f5c870$fbe15950$@net><6308B33D8B384039A8E3C25F3002E287@HumbertoAvila><000001cc4974$f9cf5410$ed6dfc30$@net> Message-ID: <794D218F75114A7E95A77ACCC1D9E1AC@HumbertoAvila> Do you mean control+home? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Richardson Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system Hi all, With the new chat format and JAWS go to the top of the page (CTL+H) and arrow down passed "translations" to list of17 items. Or just use the app. Hope this helps, Jordan mn-abs president Sent from my iPod On 23/07/2011, at 17:50, minh ha wrote: > Hi, > > I'm pretty sure facebook just made some more changes to the chat > system that made it inaccessible at the moment. I was using it only a > couple of days ago and it worked fine. But now, I can't even find the > chat area. I think a lot of jaws users are experiencing this problem > because I've seen quite a few angry statuses. I know this is not a > solution to the problem but at least you know what's going on. :) > > Minh > > On 7/23/11, Jim wrote: >> Thanks. >> I definitely should have mentioned that I use JAWS 12. I apologize for >> that. >> >> I appreciate the answers to finding alternatives to the regular site. >> Because you guys are only talking about alternatives rather than answering >> the direct question, am I to assume that the chat feature is either very >> challenging or inaccessible? >> Someone gave me a wonderful explanation of the layout of the chat area, and >> I appreciate that! Thank you! >> >> So, let me narrow it down just a bit...mainly so as not to clutter this list >> with mail. >> Are other JAWS users using this chat feature, and if so, what are some tips? >> >> I appreciate the answers from others, but now rather than asking the general >> question, I'll get very specifically and taylor it more to screen reader >> users (mainly JAWS) who are using the actual Facebook site and not >> alternative clients or chat programs. If it is indeed useable, then why not >> try it before downloading extra clients? >> Thanks again! >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Nikki Wunderlich >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:01 PM >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >> >> you can use instant bird for your facebook chat. I do, and it works >> wonderfully the website to get it is www.instantbird.org >> Hope that helps! >> Nikki Wunderlich >> face book, my space, and MSN as well as email nikki0222 at gmail.com >> yahoo and AIM nikkiwunderlich >> skype and twitter nikki022285 >> cell 763-248-0106 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >> >> >>> I don't know if the facebook chat system is accessible with screen readers >>> since I haven't tried it myself, but it might not be. And it is not cool >>> because the mobile version of facebook, http://m.facebook.com, does not >>> support chat. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Jim >>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:20 AM >>> To: Jim >>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been >>> trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read >>> people's responses. >>> >>> I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit >>> box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit >>> enter. >>> >>> Then what? >>> >>> I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I >>> see a new edit box. >>> >>> Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different >>> people. >>> >>> I'm trying the regular >>> >>> www.facebook.com >>> >>> website, and an not sure how to proceed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindtlk: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert >>> o2%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindtlk: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/nikki0222%40gmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindtlk mailing list >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindtlk: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jp100%40earthlink. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.c om >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilrichie411%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From aec732 at msn.com Sun Jul 24 01:16:51 2011 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:16:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear List: I read with interest all the messages about the recent Hadley seminar on no-cook cooking. Rather than considering it a challenge to my cooking abilities as a blind person who graduated culinary school in 2009, I was thinking about the fact it hit 106 degrees in New Jersey's largest city yesterday. The city is about 25 miles from where I live in NJ where the thermometer came close to 100 degrees. Tthe thought of being able to prepare a couple of meals without using the stove or oven on days like we've had here (and you have too, quite likely) seems reasonable andintriguing. I have taken seminars with Hadley in the past and found them to be well-grounded and useful to me. Just another perspective from the broiling-hot East Coast! Annemarie Cooke From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 24 03:45:25 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 23:45:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F30208F24E94B3696510034E2801EF3@OwnerPC> Annemarie, Exactly! I was trying to say that. Without taking a class or talking to anyone who has, some jumped over Hadley's message as if it was negative. The announcement clearly stated that it was summer and aimed toward quick simple and no cook cooking. Such shows on tv exist for sighted people as well. Because we can't see those, Hadley thought it would be a nice thing to do a seminar about non cooking to its blind audience. Now if you heard the seminar live or the archive, how was it? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Annemarie Cooke Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:16 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking Dear List: I read with interest all the messages about the recent Hadley seminar on no-cook cooking. Rather than considering it a challenge to my cooking abilities as a blind person who graduated culinary school in 2009, I was thinking about the fact it hit 106 degrees in New Jersey's largest city yesterday. The city is about 25 miles from where I live in NJ where the thermometer came close to 100 degrees. Tthe thought of being able to prepare a couple of meals without using the stove or oven on days like we've had here (and you have too, quite likely) seems reasonable andintriguing. I have taken seminars with Hadley in the past and found them to be well-grounded and useful to me. Just another perspective from the broiling-hot East Coast! Annemarie Cooke _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 11:52:11 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 07:52:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system Message-ID: <4e2c0789.1203650a.2d2c.ffffbff8@mx.google.com> For anybody interested, I use a BrailleNote for Facebook. So I'm using Facebook Mobile. The site itself doesn't support chat, but a friend of a friend is helping me to set up Facebook Chat on the Keychat (the BrailleNote's chat program) server. You have to get a Facebook username to do this. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anjelina" References: <000001cc4911$53f5c870$fbe15950$@net> <6308B33D8B384039A8E3C25F3002E287@HumbertoAvila> <000001cc4974$f9cf5410$ed6dfc30$@net> <794D218F75114A7E95A77ACCC1D9E1AC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Yes. Sorry bout that. I did mean control home. Temporary lapse in thought. Jordan Sent from my iPod On 23/07/2011, at 18:33, "Humberto Avila" wrote: > Do you mean control+home? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Jordan Richardson > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system > > Hi all, > > With the new chat format and JAWS go to the top of the page (CTL+H) and > arrow down passed "translations" to list of17 items. > > Or just use the app. > > Hope this helps, > Jordan > mn-abs president > > Sent from my iPod > > On 23/07/2011, at 17:50, minh ha wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm pretty sure facebook just made some more changes to the chat >> system that made it inaccessible at the moment. I was using it only a >> couple of days ago and it worked fine. But now, I can't even find the >> chat area. I think a lot of jaws users are experiencing this problem >> because I've seen quite a few angry statuses. I know this is not a >> solution to the problem but at least you know what's going on. :) >> >> Minh >> >> On 7/23/11, Jim wrote: >>> Thanks. >>> I definitely should have mentioned that I use JAWS 12. I apologize for >>> that. >>> >>> I appreciate the answers to finding alternatives to the regular site. >>> Because you guys are only talking about alternatives rather than > answering >>> the direct question, am I to assume that the chat feature is either very >>> challenging or inaccessible? >>> Someone gave me a wonderful explanation of the layout of the chat area, > and >>> I appreciate that! Thank you! >>> >>> So, let me narrow it down just a bit...mainly so as not to clutter this > list >>> with mail. >>> Are other JAWS users using this chat feature, and if so, what are some > tips? >>> >>> I appreciate the answers from others, but now rather than asking the > general >>> question, I'll get very specifically and taylor it more to screen reader >>> users (mainly JAWS) who are using the actual Facebook site and not >>> alternative clients or chat programs. If it is indeed useable, then why > not >>> try it before downloading extra clients? >>> Thanks again! >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Nikki Wunderlich >>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:01 PM >>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >>> >>> you can use instant bird for your facebook chat. I do, and it works >>> wonderfully the website to get it is www.instantbird.org >>> Hope that helps! >>> Nikki Wunderlich >>> face book, my space, and MSN as well as email nikki0222 at gmail.com >>> yahoo and AIM nikkiwunderlich >>> skype and twitter nikki022285 >>> cell 763-248-0106 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Humberto Avila" >>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" >>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >>> >>> >>>> I don't know if the facebook chat system is accessible with screen > readers >>>> since I haven't tried it myself, but it might not be. And it is not cool >>>> because the mobile version of facebook, http://m.facebook.com, does not >>>> support chat. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On >>>> Behalf Of Jim >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:20 AM >>>> To: Jim >>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Facebook's chat system >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been >>>> trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read >>>> people's responses. >>>> >>>> I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An > edit >>>> box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I > hit >>>> enter. >>>> >>>> Then what? >>>> >>>> I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, > I >>>> see a new edit box. >>>> >>>> Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different >>>> people. >>>> >>>> I'm trying the regular >>>> >>>> www.facebook.com >>>> >>>> website, and an not sure how to proceed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindtlk mailing list >>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindtlk: >>>> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert >>>> o2%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindtlk mailing list >>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindtlk: >>>> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/nikki0222%40gmail. >>> com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindtlk mailing list >>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindtlk: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jp100%40earthlink. >>> net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.c > om >>> >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilrichie411%40gmail > .com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilrichie411%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Jul 24 19:41:49 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:41:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system In-Reply-To: <44CA0C258565478E9EFC0B3C80D77FDD@AnjelinaPC> References: <4e2abe68.8d6adc0a.5047.3977@mx.google.com> <44CA0C258565478E9EFC0B3C80D77FDD@AnjelinaPC> Message-ID: www.meebo.com allows you to use several different chats all in one through the web browser. I don't usually use it for Facebook but know that Facebook is an option on there. You just have to sign in with your Facebook info. You don't even have to create a separate Meebo account if you don't want to. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Anjelina wrote: > An alternative to the main Facebook site is linking AIM with your Facebook > account. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:28 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system > > I used to be able to use it but I now run in to the same problem you are > speaking of. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org] > On Behalf > Of Jim > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:20 AM > To: Jim > Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook's chat system > > Hello, > > > > I'm curious if anyone knows how Facebook's chat system works. I've been > trying it but either am not being successful or don't know how to read > people's responses. > > I see that someone's on chat, and hit enter on the person's name. An edit > box comes up and I begin to type, and when I'm done with my message, I hit > enter. > > Then what? > > I see that my message comes up, no longer in that edit box. Below that, I > see a new edit box. > > Anyone know what happens next? I tried it with about six different people. > > I'm trying the regular > > www.facebook.com > > website, and an not sure how to proceed. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Jim > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > Anjelina > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 24 19:49:48 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:49:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Braille display for sale Message-ID: >From: "Angela Fowler" > >Hello all, > I have listed for sale on EBay a Braille Note Voyager 44. You > can view the listing by visiting > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250860976842 > >best, >Angela Fowler From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 01:00:34 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:00:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking In-Reply-To: <8F30208F24E94B3696510034E2801EF3@OwnerPC> References: <8F30208F24E94B3696510034E2801EF3@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20110725010032.GQ2840@yumi.bluecherry.net> I’ve found it and started listening—so far I’m seven and a half minutes in and so far they’ve talked about the importance of washing your fruits and veggies, keeping cookware and counter tops clean, etc. I suppose there are people who don’t know that, but it’s not terribly inspiring so far. Joseph - KF7QZC On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:45:25PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Annemarie, >Exactly! I was trying to say that. Without taking a class or talking >to anyone who has, some jumped over Hadley's message >as if it was negative. The announcement clearly stated that it was >summer and aimed toward quick simple and no cook cooking. >Such shows on tv exist for sighted people as well. Because we can't >see those, Hadley thought it would be a nice thing to do a seminar >about non cooking to its blind audience. > >Now if you heard the seminar live or the archive, how was it? >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: Annemarie Cooke >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:16 PM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking > > >Dear List: I read with interest all the messages about the recent >Hadley seminar on no-cook cooking. Rather than considering it a >challenge to my cooking abilities as a blind person who graduated >culinary school in 2009, I was thinking about the fact it hit 106 >degrees in New Jersey's largest city yesterday. The city is about 25 >miles from where I live in NJ where the thermometer came close to >100 degrees. Tthe thought of being able to prepare a couple of meals >without using the stove or oven on days like we've had here (and you >have too, quite likely) seems reasonable andintriguing. I have taken >seminars with Hadley in the past and found them to be well-grounded >and useful to me. > >Just another perspective from the broiling-hot East Coast! > >Annemarie Cooke >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 01:15:44 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:15:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software Message-ID: Dear all, I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an iPhone, so if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also love to hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other similar GPS products and software. Thank you, Jewel From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Jul 25 01:34:02 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:34:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking In-Reply-To: <20110725010032.GQ2840@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <8F30208F24E94B3696510034E2801EF3@OwnerPC> <20110725010032.GQ2840@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110724183159.01cad130@earthlink.net> Evening, Joseph, Don't you know Joseph the way blind folks get off on cooking, in filth? How dare they tell us to clean our counters! Carkeeping cookware and counter tops clean, etc. I suppose there are people who don’t know that, but it’s not terribly inspiring so far. Joseph - KF7QZC On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:45:25PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Annemarie, >Exactly! I was trying to say that. Without taking a class or talking >to anyone who has, some jumped over Hadley's message >as if it was negative. The announcement clearly stated that it was >summer and aimed toward quick simple and no cook cooking. >Such shows on tv exist for sighted people as well. Because we can't >see those, Hadley thought it would be a nice thing to do a seminar >about non cooking to its blind audience. > >Now if you heard the seminar live or the archive, how was it? >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: Annemarie Cooke >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:16 PM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking > > >Dear List: I read with interest all the messages about the recent >Hadley seminar on no-cook cooking. Rather than considering it a >challenge to my cooking abilities as a blind person who graduated >culinary school in 2009, I was thinking about the fact it hit 106 >degrees in New Jersey's largest city yesterday. The city is about 25 >miles from where I live in NJ where the thermometer came close to >100 degrees. Tthe thought of being able to prepare a couple of meals >without using the stove or oven on days like we've had here (and you >have too, quite likely) seems reasonable andintriguing. I have taken >seminars with Hadley in the past and found them to be well-grounded >and useful to me. > >Just another perspective from the broiling-hot East Coast! > >Annemarie Cooke >___________________________________________ ____ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mai lman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/option s/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >______________________________________________ _ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mai lman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nab s-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 01:36:22 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:36:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jewel, I use the Trekker Breeze. It's fairly easy to use, but you really can't rely on any GPS unit. I've noticed two main flaws with the Trekker Breeze. First, it announces landmarks when you are on the same street, not at the actual destination and/or landmark. Second, if it's a cloudy day, Trekker can get thrown off. (Cloud cover makes connecting to GPS satellites difficult.) Other than that, Trekker Breeze is a good GPS if you already have the mobility skills. Patrick On 7/24/11, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's > opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an iPhone, so > if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also love to > hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other similar GPS > products and software. > > Thank you, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Jul 25 01:41:32 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:41:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products and Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110724183433.01290088@earthlink.net> Evening, Jewel, As a user of Sendero software powered by a VoiceNote, I find that it often really burdensome to hall all that technology, just to use GPS. This is to say, If you have access to an Iphone you ought to absolutely, go that rout. for today, Car >Thank you, >Jewel > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From daviddod at buffalo.edu Mon Jul 25 01:48:36 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:48:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jewel, There is a function for GPS that is already on the iPhone, you do not have to download additional apps for it. However, I am sure there are apps for additional GPS options if you wanted to choose something other than what is already available on the phone. I strongly suggest the iPhone route because it is convenient and easy to use. Hope this helps. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's > opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an iPhone, so > if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also love to > hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other similar GPS > products and software. > > Thank you, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From kat.bottner at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 01:53:36 2011 From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kat Bottner) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:53:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, I too am looking into getting a gps system at some point in the nearer future, and I'm not sure which one to get. I'm currently borrowing the Kaptan Plus from work, and so far I've not been able to use it much due to it needing to be charge and today, it took forever to find gps signel, so in short, wasn't able to use it. I'm not sure which is better the breeze or the Kaptan, I'd be interested in hearing responses from users of both, the pros, con, etc. I look forward to hearing from some or all of you soon. Thanks in advance, Kat -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Molloy Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software Jewel, I use the Trekker Breeze. It's fairly easy to use, but you really can't rely on any GPS unit. I've noticed two main flaws with the Trekker Breeze. First, it announces landmarks when you are on the same street, not at the actual destination and/or landmark. Second, if it's a cloudy day, Trekker can get thrown off. (Cloud cover makes connecting to GPS satellites difficult.) Other than that, Trekker Breeze is a good GPS if you already have the mobility skills. Patrick On 7/24/11, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's > opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an iPhone, so > if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also love to > hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other similar GPS > products and software. > > Thank you, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail .com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail. com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 02:01:57 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:01:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? Message-ID: <4e2cceb4.093c970a.502c.1458@mx.google.com> Hi all, I don't have a set opinion on this matter as of yet, but I'd like to initiate the discussion. I'm noticing a trend in the blindness technology field: PC's can do most everything a notetaker (BrailleNote, BrailleSense, PacMate, etc.) can do, with some obvious changes and differences, and in some cases can do and support more than the notetaker. This is also true with the ever-improving accessible smartphones and tablets: the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, (the semiaccessible) Android phones, the KNFB Reader, etc. Yes, the notetakers have built-in Braille displays, but you can also install a stand-alone Braille display on a computer to display what's on the screen, or you could just buy a screen reader (text-to-speech, not text-to-Braille) as a replacement for the Braille display... that is, if you think it is in fact a replacement for refreshable Braille. That's another question for all of you in this discussion. So, here's the question: with all the advancements and capabilities of a computer and screen readers or stand-alone refreshable Braille displays, is it worth it, in your opinion, to buy a notetaker anymore? What, given all the things a PC can do, is the real purpose of the notetakers now? I'd love to hear your thoughts! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote From startrekcafe at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 02:10:29 2011 From: startrekcafe at gmail.com (Marvin Hunkin) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:10:29 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] looking for jaws presentations Message-ID: <2D9AA3CB44DA4CB997A4C24BF82ADD2A@MARVINPC> hi. where can i find the jaws presentations from the nfb and acb conventions. if any was recorded. marvin. From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 02:15:10 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:15:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? In-Reply-To: <4e2cceb4.093c970a.502c.1458@mx.google.com> References: <4e2cceb4.093c970a.502c.1458@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, I still say absolutely. At least for me. And here's why. Notetakers are great for taking notes! That was kind of corny, but think about it. When you know a notetaker, and you're comfortable with it, jotting down a quick note is easier, in my experience, than it is on an I-anything or a computer. Notetakers are fantastic at storing phone nu mbers/dates/quick memos and I think, when you know what you're doing, you can do all that with lots of efficiency and speed. Right now my Apex is broken and I miss it because keeping a planner or jotting down quick reminders I know I'll see later just isn't as convenient on a computer. Even laptops aren't quite as fast for writing down something quick; you have to wait for them to start up, open the word-processor (or calendar software, or whatever), write whatever it is you're writing, then save the darn thing. With a Notetaker, if you're savvy enough, you can do that all in a few keystrokes,without the start-up time. I will, however, say this. If the iPod touch or iPhone had a decent word processing app that worked ok with voiceover (which there really isn't yet), and if I could get a low-cost braille display with a built-in braille keyboard, I'd maybe consider the iOS products as serving the same purpose and decide notetakers were redundant. For that to happen, iOS would also need a few more integrated braille keystrokes and some of the bugs with interaction between iOS and braille displays would need to be ironed out. It's a possibility but, for now, I'm getting my apex fixed (thank the lord it's still under warrantee), and holding onto it. Best, Kirt On 7/24/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't have a set opinion on this matter as of yet, but I'd like > to initiate the discussion. I'm noticing a trend in the > blindness technology field: PC's can do most everything a > notetaker (BrailleNote, BrailleSense, PacMate, etc.) can do, with > some obvious changes and differences, and in some cases can do > and support more than the notetaker. This is also true with the > ever-improving accessible smartphones and tablets: the iPhone, > iPad, iPod Touch, (the semiaccessible) Android phones, the KNFB > Reader, etc. Yes, the notetakers have built-in Braille displays, > but you can also install a stand-alone Braille display on a > computer to display what's on the screen, or you could just buy a > screen reader (text-to-speech, not text-to-Braille) as a > replacement for the Braille display... that is, if you think it > is in fact a replacement for refreshable Braille. That's another > question for all of you in this discussion. So, here's the > question: with all the advancements and capabilities of a > computer and screen readers or stand-alone refreshable Braille > displays, is it worth it, in your opinion, to buy a notetaker > anymore? What, given all the things a PC can do, is the real > purpose of the notetakers now? I'd love to hear your thoughts! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 02:49:28 2011 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:49:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? In-Reply-To: <4e2cceb4.093c970a.502c.1458@mx.google.com> References: <4e2cceb4.093c970a.502c.1458@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Kirt, I'll play devil's advocate: Is the combination of opening and saving a document on your netbook or laptop truly such a hassle to you that you (or your state agency for the blind or another funding source) can justify paying more than $6000 for a notetaker? I'll argue that if the convenience of a notetaker is for "taking notes" as you mention, taking notes can be done fairly quickly with a netbook or laptop, a slate and stylus, a small voice recorder, or even your phone -- all at less than one sixth the price of your Apex. An Apex or other notetaker might be a luxury for note taking that perhaps makes life easier, but do the benefits really outweigh the costs? On 7/24/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't have a set opinion on this matter as of yet, but I'd like > to initiate the discussion. I'm noticing a trend in the > blindness technology field: PC's can do most everything a > notetaker (BrailleNote, BrailleSense, PacMate, etc.) can do, with > some obvious changes and differences, and in some cases can do > and support more than the notetaker. This is also true with the > ever-improving accessible smartphones and tablets: the iPhone, > iPad, iPod Touch, (the semiaccessible) Android phones, the KNFB > Reader, etc. Yes, the notetakers have built-in Braille displays, > but you can also install a stand-alone Braille display on a > computer to display what's on the screen, or you could just buy a > screen reader (text-to-speech, not text-to-Braille) as a > replacement for the Braille display... that is, if you think it > is in fact a replacement for refreshable Braille. That's another > question for all of you in this discussion. So, here's the > question: with all the advancements and capabilities of a > computer and screen readers or stand-alone refreshable Braille > displays, is it worth it, in your opinion, to buy a notetaker > anymore? What, given all the things a PC can do, is the real > purpose of the notetakers now? I'd love to hear your thoughts! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com > -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jul 25 03:42:11 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:42:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking In-Reply-To: <20110725010032.GQ2840@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <8F30208F24E94B3696510034E2801EF3@OwnerPC> <20110725010032.GQ2840@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <3E97AF45DEDA483DA6821EEA8477B435@OwnerPC> Joeseph, I'm glad you gave it a try. Let us know if they say anything that isn't obvious. Actually, I know some people, blind and sighted, who do not wash produce so its not a bad idea to remind people about its importance, IMO. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking I’ve found it and started listening—so far I’m seven and a half minutes in and so far they’ve talked about the importance of washing your fruits and veggies, keeping cookware and counter tops clean, etc. I suppose there are people who don’t know that, but it’s not terribly inspiring so far. Joseph - KF7QZC On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:45:25PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Annemarie, >Exactly! I was trying to say that. Without taking a class or talking to >anyone who has, some jumped over Hadley's message >as if it was negative. The announcement clearly stated that it was summer >and aimed toward quick simple and no cook cooking. >Such shows on tv exist for sighted people as well. Because we can't see >those, Hadley thought it would be a nice thing to do a seminar about non >cooking to its blind audience. > >Now if you heard the seminar live or the archive, how was it? >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: Annemarie Cooke >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:16 PM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking > > >Dear List: I read with interest all the messages about the recent Hadley >seminar on no-cook cooking. Rather than considering it a challenge to my >cooking abilities as a blind person who graduated culinary school in 2009, >I was thinking about the fact it hit 106 degrees in New Jersey's largest >city yesterday. The city is about 25 miles from where I live in NJ where >the thermometer came close to 100 degrees. Tthe thought of being able to >prepare a couple of meals without using the stove or oven on days like >we've had here (and you have too, quite likely) seems reasonable >andintriguing. I have taken seminars with Hadley in the past and found them >to be well-grounded and useful to me. > >Just another perspective from the broiling-hot East Coast! > >Annemarie Cooke >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 03:44:45 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:44:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Braillenote] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? Message-ID: <4e2ce6cd.c725ec0a.1454.3a0c@mx.google.com> I posted my question to the BrailleNote users list, and this is a response that may be of interest to you. Just so you know, BN means BrailleNote and HW means HumanWare. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, I don't have a set opinion on this matter as of yet, but I'd like to initiate the discussion. I'm noticing a trend in the blindness technology field: PC's can do most everything a notetaker (BrailleNote, BrailleSense, PacMate, etc.) can do, with some obvious changes and differences, and in some cases can do and support more than the notetaker. This is also true with the ever-improving accessible smartphones and tablets: the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, (the semiaccessible) Android phones, the KNFB Reader, etc. Yes, the notetakers have built-in Braille displays, but you can also install a stand-alone Braille display on a computer to display what's on the screen, or you could just buy a screen reader (text-to-speech, not text-to-Braille) as a replacement for the Braille display... that is, if you think it is in fact a replacement for refreshable Braille. That's another question for all of you in this discussion. So, here's the question: with all the advancements and capabilities of a computer and screen readers or stand-alone refreshable Braille displays, is it worth it, in your opinion, to buy a notetaker anymore? What, given all the things a PC can do, is the real purpose of the notetakers now? I'd love to hear your thoughts! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehgcap at gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 03:44:44 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:44:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Braillenote] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? Message-ID: <4e2ce6cb.c725ec0a.1454.3a0b@mx.google.com> Hi Alex, I totally agree with you! When my friend Josh, who is on this and the NABS list, got an iTouch for his birthday recently. I was at the birthday party, and when I asked him if he was going to "ditch the BN and do everything on the iTouch," he said "probably." To which I replied, "Well, what about the Braille display? I don't think you would want to be stuck somewhere where it isn't easy for you to use text-to-speech, for whatever reason, and Braille would fix the problem, but you're not using your BN anymore, so you don't have the Braille to rely on." By the way, screen readers don't read PDF files either, unless you have Adobe, and Adobe's annoying in my opinion. They're always telling you you need a new update! The reading of Docx files is just stupid on HumanWare's part, in my opinion. I mean, come on, the Victor Reader Stream's latest version can read Docx files. So if one HW product, the Stream, can read these files, then why can't another, the BN Apex? Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, I don't have a set opinion on this matter as of yet, but I'd like to initiate the discussion. I'm noticing a trend in the blindness technology field: PC's can do most everything a notetaker (BrailleNote, BrailleSense, PacMate, etc.) can do, with some obvious changes and differences, and in some cases can do and support more than the notetaker. This is also true with the ever-improving accessible smartphones and tablets: the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, (the semiaccessible) Android phones, the KNFB Reader, etc. Yes, the notetakers have built-in Braille displays, but you can also install a stand-alone Braille display on a computer to display what's on the screen, or you could just buy a screen reader (text-to-speech, not text-to-Braille) as a replacement for the Braille display... that is, if you think it is in fact a replacement for refreshable Braille. That's another question for all of you in this discussion. So, here's the question: with all the advancements and capabilities of a computer and screen readers or stand-alone refreshable Braille displays, is it worth it, in your opinion, to buy a notetaker anymore? What, given all the things a PC can do, is the real purpose of the notetakers now? I'd love to hear your thoughts! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehgcap at gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jul 25 03:50:20 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:50:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68C1F653A3E9429BAC9EF82981440156@OwnerPC> Kat, Where do you work? I'm temporarily at NLS. Anyway, I am also thinking of a GPS: either the breeze or Captain. How accurate are they? I understand they tell you the upcoming intersection. Does it tell you about the intersection like whether it’s a four way stop? We can figure out some of that by analysis, but it would be nice to have that info from the machine. When you program in routes, how often will it speak directions? Do both products allow you to record landmarks? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kat Bottner Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:53 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software Hello all, I too am looking into getting a gps system at some point in the nearer future, and I'm not sure which one to get. I'm currently borrowing the Kaptan Plus from work, and so far I've not been able to use it much due to it needing to be charge and today, it took forever to find gps signel, so in short, wasn't able to use it. I'm not sure which is better the breeze or the Kaptan, I'd be interested in hearing responses from users of both, the pros, con, etc. I look forward to hearing from some or all of you soon. Thanks in advance, Kat -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Molloy Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software Jewel, I use the Trekker Breeze. It's fairly easy to use, but you really can't rely on any GPS unit. I've noticed two main flaws with the Trekker Breeze. First, it announces landmarks when you are on the same street, not at the actual destination and/or landmark. Second, if it's a cloudy day, Trekker can get thrown off. (Cloud cover makes connecting to GPS satellites difficult.) Other than that, Trekker Breeze is a good GPS if you already have the mobility skills. Patrick On 7/24/11, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's > opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an iPhone, so > if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also love to > hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other similar GPS > products and software. > > Thank you, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail .com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jul 25 04:01:56 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:01:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? In-Reply-To: <4e2cceb4.093c970a.502c.1458@mx.google.com> References: <4e2cceb4.093c970a.502c.1458@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, Absolutely, our special notetakers serve a purpose still. I agree with Kirt. Notetakers are great for notetaking! They have built in braille displays and its just so easy and efficient! With a netbook/laptop you have to lug it around, and to write anything it has to boot up, you open the word processor, write, save info, and exit the program. With a few keystrokes on my Braille Note, I can do the same things. I can put phone numbers, addresses, little notes, large notes from classes, and reminders in quickly and efficiently. I heard you can get a display for your IPad or I Phone, but its not the same as the Braille Notes easy built in display with cursor routing keys. We have had this discussion before and I think the opinions were half and half. Also til companies build in more accessibility, many of us will like the special notetaker built for blind people with accessibility right there and some of us may not like touch screens. I love the Braille Note with its ability to just operate with braille. I hardly ever use speech and I am glad I don't have to hear that synthesized voice; with a IPad,IPod touch, or whatever I'd be forced to primarily use speech again. I already have to use jaws on my computer. Ashley or -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:01 PM To: Blind Talk list ; NABS list Cc: BrailleNote list Subject: [nabs-l] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? Hi all, I don't have a set opinion on this matter as of yet, but I'd like to initiate the discussion. I'm noticing a trend in the blindness technology field: PC's can do most everything a notetaker (BrailleNote, BrailleSense, PacMate, etc.) can do, with some obvious changes and differences, and in some cases can do and support more than the notetaker. This is also true with the ever-improving accessible smartphones and tablets: the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, (the semiaccessible) Android phones, the KNFB Reader, etc. Yes, the notetakers have built-in Braille displays, but you can also install a stand-alone Braille display on a computer to display what's on the screen, or you could just buy a screen reader (text-to-speech, not text-to-Braille) as a replacement for the Braille display... that is, if you think it is in fact a replacement for refreshable Braille. That's another question for all of you in this discussion. So, here's the question: with all the advancements and capabilities of a computer and screen readers or stand-alone refreshable Braille displays, is it worth it, in your opinion, to buy a notetaker anymore? What, given all the things a PC can do, is the real purpose of the notetakers now? I'd love to hear your thoughts! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From gpaikens at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 05:47:40 2011 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:47:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jewel and all, If you are going the iPhone route, it makes sense to me to not want to have to carry along a second piece of equipment for GPS. I just started using the GPS app from Navigon on my iPhone and I really like it. -Greg On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's > opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an iPhone, so > if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also love to > hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other similar GPS > products and software. > > Thank you, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 07:05:05 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:05:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? In-Reply-To: <4e2cceb4.093c970a.502c.1458@mx.google.com> References: <4e2cceb4.093c970a.502c.1458@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20110725070504.GR2840@yumi.bluecherry.net> I don’t think they do, or at least I think their lifespan is limited. First, there’s very little that can justify the cost of an Apex these days. It just costs too much. Second, I don’t know how many times I have heard the excuse from our chapter secretary that his BN crashed and he needs someone else to get him a recording or produce minutes or something. Both it and the PAC mate have a solid reputation for being about as stable as a house of cards in a tornado. During an earthquake. While a volcano is erupting. And while the PAC mate is supposed to be so great because it can run "standard" software for the platform, most of the software doesn’t actually work with it properly and the platform has pretty much taken a back seat to iOS and Android at this point. At the beginning of the PDA revolution, there was Palm. (Actually, there was Apple with the Newton, but I’m talking successful PDA revolution here…) Then Handspring came along and produced a Palm that was better than the Palm. There were accessories the people who made it never intended, including a folding laptop-style keyboard called the Stowaray, and suddenly there was no need to lug a laptop in to a meeting to take notes. Plus the thing was SO COOL, and it cost a small fraction of what a laptop did that wasn’t as fast or as convenient to the task! Of course, none of this is accessible. Fast forward about 15 years or so and today sighted people likely use an iPad or Android-based wannabe tablet for the same purpose. They may or may not use an external Bluetooth keyboard. They could use an iPhone (or wannabe) for the same purpose, but the sighted like having big screens that are easy to see, so the preference is the iPad. But the blind can tell you that the iPhone is just as useful, and perhaps more so because you can’t stuff an iPad into a pocket (unless you’re wearing a Scott-E-Vest which is just comical and not really the point.) There are flip-out keyboard cases for the iPhone 4 (which are a great idea for any blind user) and small Braille I/O devices that are much more comfortable to ear than the brick-like note taker of yesteryear. And accessibility is improving, in general, on the iPhone. Even the Android platform is starting to see some movement in that direction. At some point either platform will be viable to the blind, at least as effective as a PAC mate, probably as easy to use as a BrailleNote, and cheaper than any of the above. If anybody has a future with the form factor of the traditional note taker, it’s LevelStar, which figured out that having their own custom software just doesn’t make sense anymore. They’re building on the proven interface of the Icon (their own software) and putting it into Android itself giving you the ease of a BrailleNote and the function of an Android device. And if the guys at LevelStar stay true to form, they’re going to bring it to you for a lot less than HumanWare does. Neither iOS nor Android is ready to replace KeySoft IMO, but KeySoft is still the same program HumanWare has been schlepping for decades now with big ticket upgrade fees for small, incremental feature additions. In fact, I remember the "major" upgrade (with SMA usage or paid outright) for KeySoft 7.5 to add RFB&D book support to my little PK less than six months after I bought the thing! More than a year ago, I read a blog article from the CEO of Serotek about the "blind ghetto" technology. He was talking about Freedom Scientific and HumanWare specifically, and how neither company seems to truly innovate. Why should they? So far they’ve been able to foist minor evolutions of products that are becoming less and less stable for exorbitant upgrade fees, or make minor revisions to a product while maintaining an existing price point. The exceptions for HumanWare were the Apex and the Victor Reader Stream, the former of which saw a massive cost increase that isn’t going down anytime soon, and the latter was made some five years ago. Meanwhile new players are filling the market with devices that are better than anything any of the big players has to offer at a fraction of the cost. Companies like LevelStar, HIMS, SeroTek, and even GW Micro has dipped its toes in the water here and there. They are still making blindness-specific products, but they’re taking a fresh look and realizing that if they can’t deliver products that are better or cheaper or both than the legacy dinosaurs (and each other), they will die out. The BrailleNote will die off because people will move on. There are still people out there using Braille 'n' Speaks, but not many these days. The BrailleNote will follow suit. The PAC mate is halfway there already, if you ask me. Joseph - KF7QZC On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:01:57PM -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Hi all, > >I don't have a set opinion on this matter as of yet, but I'd like to >initiate the discussion. I'm noticing a trend in the blindness >technology field: PC's can do most everything a notetaker >(BrailleNote, BrailleSense, PacMate, etc.) can do, with some obvious >changes and differences, and in some cases can do and support more >than the notetaker. This is also true with the ever-improving >accessible smartphones and tablets: the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, >(the semiaccessible) Android phones, the KNFB Reader, etc. Yes, the >notetakers have built-in Braille displays, but you can also install a >stand-alone Braille display on a computer to display what's on the >screen, or you could just buy a screen reader (text-to-speech, not >text-to-Braille) as a replacement for the Braille display... that >is, if you think it is in fact a replacement for refreshable Braille. >That's another question for all of you in this discussion. So, >here's the question: with all the advancements and capabilities of a >computer and screen readers or stand-alone refreshable Braille >displays, is it worth it, in your opinion, to buy a notetaker >anymore? What, given all the things a PC can do, is the real purpose >of the notetakers now? I'd love to hear your thoughts! > >Chris > >"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > >The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland >have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link >to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us >on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 16:09:50 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:09:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Attention To Those Interested In Broadcasting Or Performing Message-ID: Greetings Everybody! Do you have an interest in performing and entertaining people? 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The link to tune in is at http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php Hope to see you there as a listener, or maybe a potential broadcaster! >From David Dunphy From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 17:56:40 2011 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:56:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking Message-ID: <010101cc4af4$35a25b10$a0e71130$@com> Carly, Could you consider if something adds any value to a discussion before posting it please? Thanks, Sean From aec732 at msn.com Mon Jul 25 18:28:53 2011 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:28:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] more on no-cook cooking from CCooke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey gang, the importance of constant cleaning and sanitizing while handling food cannot be underestimated. Culinary professionals need certification i ServSafe, a national exam and must re-certify every five years. Leanring Ally has the study guuide for this, by the way, and BEP vendors who serve food also must take ServSafe exam.Food handling can be even more unsafe as the temperature rises in the summer. It may not be inspiring, but it is totally important. Annemarie From kat.bottner at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 20:51:03 2011 From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kat Bottner) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:51:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software In-Reply-To: <68C1F653A3E9429BAC9EF82981440156@OwnerPC> References: <68C1F653A3E9429BAC9EF82981440156@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <1BF451A88C0A4E70962A85F4861A823B@KatPC> Hey Ashley and all, I've still have yet to try and figure out how good the Kaptan Plus really is. I went to use it yesterday and I geuss when sitting in a car, its bets to be sitting by the window instead of the middle. Lol. I will of course let you all know how my experience with the Kaptan Plus works out. And for anyone else who wants to know where I work, I work for the Delaware association for the Blind as a secretary. Thanks and take care, Kat -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 11:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software Kat, Where do you work? I'm temporarily at NLS. Anyway, I am also thinking of a GPS: either the breeze or Captain. How accurate are they? I understand they tell you the upcoming intersection. Does it tell you about the intersection like whether it's a four way stop? We can figure out some of that by analysis, but it would be nice to have that info from the machine. When you program in routes, how often will it speak directions? Do both products allow you to record landmarks? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kat Bottner Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:53 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software Hello all, I too am looking into getting a gps system at some point in the nearer future, and I'm not sure which one to get. I'm currently borrowing the Kaptan Plus from work, and so far I've not been able to use it much due to it needing to be charge and today, it took forever to find gps signel, so in short, wasn't able to use it. I'm not sure which is better the breeze or the Kaptan, I'd be interested in hearing responses from users of both, the pros, con, etc. I look forward to hearing from some or all of you soon. Thanks in advance, Kat -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Molloy Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software Jewel, I use the Trekker Breeze. It's fairly easy to use, but you really can't rely on any GPS unit. I've noticed two main flaws with the Trekker Breeze. First, it announces landmarks when you are on the same street, not at the actual destination and/or landmark. Second, if it's a cloudy day, Trekker can get thrown off. (Cloud cover makes connecting to GPS satellites difficult.) Other than that, Trekker Breeze is a good GPS if you already have the mobility skills. Patrick On 7/24/11, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's > opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an iPhone, so > if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also love to > hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other similar GPS > products and software. > > Thank you, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail .com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail. com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 23:23:35 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:23:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software Message-ID: <4e2dfb18.24aeec0a.5211.326c@mx.google.com> Hi=20Ashley, Yes,=20the=20Trekker=20tells=20you=20the=20next=20intersection=20and=20the= =20type=20of=20 intersection.=20=20For=20example,=20it=20might=20say=20"Four-way=20intersec= tion,=20 (parallel=20street=20name)=20crossing=20(perpendicular=20street=20name.)"=20= It=20 might=20also=20say=20what=20streets=20are=20on=20each=20side=20of=20you.=20= =20I=20don't=20 know=20about=20the=20Captain,=20though. =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20=20wrote: =20Dear=20all, =20I'm=20considering=20getting=20a=20GPS=20system=20and=20wanted=20to=20get= =20people's =20opinions=20on=20which=20one=20to=20get.=20=20I=20am=20planning=20on=20ge= tting=20an=20 iPhone,=20so =20if=20there=20is=20a=20GPS=20app,=20I'd=20love=20to=20hear=20about=20it.= =20=20I'd=20also=20love=20 to =20hear=20from=20users=20of=20the=20TrekkerBreeze,=20MobileGeo,=20and=20oth= er=20 similar=20GPS =20products=20and=20software. =20Thank=20you, =20Jewel =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol loy%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottn er%40gmail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Mon Jul 25 23:26:01 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:26:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This Hadley seminar may not be for everyone-- nothing ever is. Personally, I'm more apt to watch the Food Network or search for recipes online, but just because I don't choose to take a seminar like this does not mean it is wrong, or that Hadley has wrong intentions in offering it. To be honest, most cooking shows will provide basic advice like starting with a clean service or using clean utensils or washing produce, and these shows are not blind specific-- they are geared towards the entire viewing audience. So it seems unfair to make the assertion that Hadley begins the seminar by reminding to wash your cook station because they assume blind people don't know this. I would think everyone- blind and sighted- would be aware of this, but obviously this is not the case since I find this advice elsewhere including cookbooks and Food Network programs. Trust me, I know how easy it is to paint a person or group or idea as bad, but it's a little unfair. Short of Hadley point-blank making statements like blind people are dirty or can't handle sharp objects or are too vulnerable in the kitchen, etc., we shouldn't assume the intent behind seminars like this is because they believe blind people less capable. And if someone wishes to take a class like this, it does not mean they are not capable or not independent. We all seek different resources and tools to achieve success in any endeavor. As I said in an earlier post, if we are being as independent as we can be and reaching for our full potential, what does it matter how we got there? When we automatically assume everyone and everything else has misguided or bad motives, we risk reverse prejudice. We are certainly allowed opinions, and we can disagree, but neither should we make erroneous judgments or allow our thinking to be clouded by one view point. If I've learned anything since losing my vision eight years ago, it is this. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:00:34 -0700 From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking Message-ID: <20110725010032.GQ2840 at yumi.bluecherry.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I?ve found it and started listening?so far I?m seven and a half minutes in and so far they?ve talked about the importance of washing your fruits and veggies, keeping cookware and counter tops clean, etc. I suppose there are people who don?t know that, but it?s not terribly inspiring so far. Joseph - KF7QZC Message: 5 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:34:02 -0700 From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110724183159.01cad130 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Evening, Joseph, Don't you know Joseph the way blind folks get off on cooking, in filth? How dare they tell us to clean our counters! Carkeeping cookware and counter tops clean, etc. I suppose there are people who don???t know that, but it???s not terribly inspiring so far. From daviddod at buffalo.edu Mon Jul 25 23:44:14 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:44:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Alternative Service Trips to Louisiana Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Last year, I started an alternative spring break program at my college. Students went down to New Orleans to aid in the rebuilding effort that still goes on today. This year, we are doing two trips one in January to the Louisiana Wetlands to grow shrubbery in order to rebuild the wetlands and another trip to New Orleans in the spring. I love the idea of service learning. Traveling to different places in the country that need help, helping the, and participating in mutually beneficial learning. If you would like more information about these trips or how to make this happen for your school or organization please do not hesitate to contact me. I'd also be happy to answer any questions. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Jul 25 23:56:48 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:56:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking In-Reply-To: <010101cc4af4$35a25b10$a0e71130$@com> References: <010101cc4af4$35a25b10$a0e71130$@com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110725165437.01ca81d0@earthlink.net> Hi, At 10:56 AM 7/25/2011, you wrote: >Carly, > > > >Could you consider if something adds any value to a discussion before >posting it please? > > > >Thanks, > > > Hi, Sean, Which of my posts were not contributive, to the discussion? Thank you. for today, Car > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Tue Jul 26 02:41:15 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 02:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Attention To Those Interested In Broadcasting Or Performing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1287732971.316664.1311648075636.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> dear david, sorry, for the crosspost from both lists... like i said i will forward this onto all of my blind friends who might be interested in doing this! thanks again and, i will talk to you soon sweetie! hugs, from amy ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dunphy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:09:50 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Attention To Those Interested In Broadcasting Or Performing Greetings Everybody! Do you have an interest in performing and entertaining people? Have you always wanted to get involved with radio but didn't think you could? Do you like listening to internet radio stations and have you always wanted to be part of one? Are you a musician, or performer, and are you looking to get your music out there? If you answered yes to any of these questions, then this message is for you. A little over a month ago, a new online radio station called AudioAccessRadio launched, and we're looking for talent to help shape and develop our lineup of programming! If you're new to internet radio, or you're not sure if it would be for you, your chance to find out is tonight! During this evening's Djd Invasion radio show, which will air on http://www.audioaccessradio.com between 8 and 11 PM eastern, you'll be invited during our music breaks to either Call in and ask questions about the station, how broadcasting works, etc. You can also call in to make arrangements to have your music played on our station and to arrange a live or pre recorded interview to be played on air focusing on you and your music. Or to maybe be part of our show as a guest co host to see how things work in online radio and wwhat it's like to be part of a radio show Whether you just want to listen to hear what an online radio show sounds like, or whether you'd like to call in and participate on or off air, your chance to learn about online broadcasting happens tonight, at any time between 8 and 11 PM eastern on AudioAccessRadio, with this evening's Djd Invasion radio show. This show will feature a wide array of songs from the pop rock and country genres, with your requests thrown in. To call in during the show to talk off or on air, feel free to add audioaccessradio to your skype or dial 516-360-0365 on your telephone. The music tonight will be upbeat and fun to hear, so feel free to tune in, be entertained, and to learn what online radio is about. We hope that spending time with us this evening will peak your interest in joining a team of people who love internet radio and who wish to spread that love to others. Think of this as an internet radio station open house of sorts. We're also very interested in promoting new musicians, so if you're looking for that exposure, feel free to call in. Not sure if calling in is what you want to do right away? Send your questions by email to djd at audioaccessradio.com So come tune in, bring any questions you have about broadcasting or online radio in general or about the station, and join us at any time between 8 and 11 PM eastern for The Djd Invasion. The link to tune in is at http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php Hope to see you there as a listener, or maybe a potential broadcaster! >From David Dunphy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jul 26 03:53:31 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:53:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Brigit and all, I agree there. I don't think there was any bad intent, but rather there were basic tips such as washing produce and cleaning counters to ensure people actually did that. Shows for the general audience start out this way too, as you said. Hadley has other seminars in which they share recipies and tips for actual cooking like in the crock pot. Some people said maybe Hadley believes blind people can't cook, and after looking at their seminar list on cooking I do not think that is the case at all. Now as for the seminar itself I listened to most of it. I felt they couldn't cover much in an hour. They had a Q and A part and then brefily described some no cook recipies. My favorite was the desserts where they explained how easy making a smoothy was! I was not aware that you just needed to chop up fruit, freeze them, and blend them later. They will put out a resource list with the recipies they referenced. Oh, I also learned the health benefits of some spices. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking This Hadley seminar may not be for everyone-- nothing ever is. Personally, I'm more apt to watch the Food Network or search for recipes online, but just because I don't choose to take a seminar like this does not mean it is wrong, or that Hadley has wrong intentions in offering it. To be honest, most cooking shows will provide basic advice like starting with a clean service or using clean utensils or washing produce, and these shows are not blind specific-- they are geared towards the entire viewing audience. So it seems unfair to make the assertion that Hadley begins the seminar by reminding to wash your cook station because they assume blind people don't know this. I would think everyone- blind and sighted- would be aware of this, but obviously this is not the case since I find this advice elsewhere including cookbooks and Food Network programs. Trust me, I know how easy it is to paint a person or group or idea as bad, but it's a little unfair. Short of Hadley point-blank making statements like blind people are dirty or can't handle sharp objects or are too vulnerable in the kitchen, etc., we shouldn't assume the intent behind seminars like this is because they believe blind people less capable. And if someone wishes to take a class like this, it does not mean they are not capable or not independent. We all seek different resources and tools to achieve success in any endeavor. As I said in an earlier post, if we are being as independent as we can be and reaching for our full potential, what does it matter how we got there? When we automatically assume everyone and everything else has misguided or bad motives, we risk reverse prejudice. We are certainly allowed opinions, and we can disagree, but neither should we make erroneous judgments or allow our thinking to be clouded by one view point. If I've learned anything since losing my vision eight years ago, it is this. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:00:34 -0700 From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking Message-ID: <20110725010032.GQ2840 at yumi.bluecherry.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I?ve found it and started listening?so far I?m seven and a half minutes in and so far they?ve talked about the importance of washing your fruits and veggies, keeping cookware and counter tops clean, etc. I suppose there are people who don?t know that, but it?s not terribly inspiring so far. Joseph - KF7QZC Message: 5 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:34:02 -0700 From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110724183159.01cad130 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Evening, Joseph, Don't you know Joseph the way blind folks get off on cooking, in filth? How dare they tell us to clean our counters! Carkeeping cookware and counter tops clean, etc. I suppose there are people who don???t know that, but it???s not terribly inspiring so far. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 04:03:44 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:03:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bridget, Posts like this are what keeps me subscribed to this time-waster of a list. I'm not even going to try and throw in my two cents here, because you've covered it to the point where I'd just make myself look silly. Very, very well said. On 7/25/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > HI Brigit and all, > I agree there. I don't think there was any bad intent, but rather there were > basic tips such as washing produce and cleaning counters to ensure people > actually did that. Shows for the general audience start out this way too, as > you said. Hadley has other seminars in which they share recipies and tips > for actual cooking like in the crock pot. Some people said maybe Hadley > believes blind people can't cook, and after looking at their seminar list on > cooking I do not think that is the case at all. > > Now as for the seminar itself I listened to most of it. I felt they couldn't > cover much in an hour. They had a Q and A part and then brefily described > some no cook recipies. My favorite was the desserts where they explained how > easy making a smoothy was! I was not aware that you just needed to chop up > fruit, freeze them, and blend them later. > They will put out a resource list with the recipies they referenced. Oh, I > also learned the health benefits of some spices. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bridgit Pollpeter > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:26 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking > > This Hadley seminar may not be for everyone-- nothing ever is. > Personally, I'm more apt to watch the Food Network or search for recipes > online, but just because I don't choose to take a seminar like this does > not mean it is wrong, or that Hadley has wrong intentions in offering > it. > > To be honest, most cooking shows will provide basic advice like starting > with a clean service or using clean utensils or washing produce, and > these shows are not blind specific-- they are geared towards the entire > viewing audience. > > So it seems unfair to make the assertion that Hadley begins the seminar > by reminding to wash your cook station because they assume blind people > don't know this. I would think everyone- blind and sighted- would be > aware of this, but obviously this is not the case since I find this > advice elsewhere including cookbooks and Food Network programs. > > Trust me, I know how easy it is to paint a person or group or idea as > bad, but it's a little unfair. Short of Hadley point-blank making > statements like blind people are dirty or can't handle sharp objects or > are too vulnerable in the kitchen, etc., we shouldn't assume the intent > behind seminars like this is because they believe blind people less > capable. > > And if someone wishes to take a class like this, it does not mean they > are not capable or not independent. We all seek different resources and > tools to achieve success in any endeavor. As I said in an earlier post, > if we are being as independent as we can be and reaching for our full > potential, what does it matter how we got there? > > When we automatically assume everyone and everything else has misguided > or bad motives, we risk reverse prejudice. We are certainly allowed > opinions, and we can disagree, but neither should we make erroneous > judgments or allow our thinking to be clouded by one view point. If > I've learned anything since losing my vision eight years ago, it is > this. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:00:34 -0700 > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking > Message-ID: <20110725010032.GQ2840 at yumi.bluecherry.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I?ve found it and started listening?so far I?m seven and a half > minutes in and so far they?ve talked about the importance of washing > your fruits and veggies, keeping cookware and counter tops clean, > etc. I suppose there are people who don?t know that, but it?s not > terribly inspiring so far. > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:34:02 -0700 > From: Carly Mihalakis > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , National Association of Blind Students > mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110724183159.01cad130 at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > > > > Evening, Joseph, > > Don't you know Joseph the way blind folks get off on cooking, in > filth? How dare they tell us to clean our counters! Carkeeping cookware > and counter tops clean, > etc. I suppose there are people who don???t know > that, but it???s not terribly inspiring so far. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 04:34:13 2011 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:34:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't been following this thread until now because we discussed this seminar on the Blind Cooks mailing list as well, but we'd come to the conclusion that the "No-Cook" theme was simply because people who cook a lot don't generally enjoy having their ovens and ranges on indoors during the summer when it's already hot as blazes. I know that I generally prefer no-cook recipes in the summer for this reason, and I've seen local cooking schools (general public) and cooking blogs I read start pushing the no-cook thing as soon as the weather gets warm and the produce gets ripe. I just assumed everyone saw this as quickly as the Cooks mailing list. I'm actually rather surprised to see that this struck a nerve with some people, and I find the differing opinions very interesting, but I really don't think there were any such intentions. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Bridget, > Posts like this are what keeps me subscribed to this time-waster of > a list. I'm not even going to try and throw in my two cents here, > because you've covered it to the point where I'd just make myself look > silly. Very, very well said. > > On 7/25/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > HI Brigit and all, > > I agree there. I don't think there was any bad intent, but rather there > were > > basic tips such as washing produce and cleaning counters to ensure people > > actually did that. Shows for the general audience start out this way too, > as > > you said. Hadley has other seminars in which they share recipies and tips > > for actual cooking like in the crock pot. Some people said maybe Hadley > > believes blind people can't cook, and after looking at their seminar list > on > > cooking I do not think that is the case at all. > > > > Now as for the seminar itself I listened to most of it. I felt they > couldn't > > cover much in an hour. They had a Q and A part and then brefily described > > some no cook recipies. My favorite was the desserts where they explained > how > > easy making a smoothy was! I was not aware that you just needed to chop > up > > fruit, freeze them, and blend them later. > > They will put out a resource list with the recipies they referenced. Oh, > I > > also learned the health benefits of some spices. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bridgit Pollpeter > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:26 PM > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking > > > > This Hadley seminar may not be for everyone-- nothing ever is. > > Personally, I'm more apt to watch the Food Network or search for recipes > > online, but just because I don't choose to take a seminar like this does > > not mean it is wrong, or that Hadley has wrong intentions in offering > > it. > > > > To be honest, most cooking shows will provide basic advice like starting > > with a clean service or using clean utensils or washing produce, and > > these shows are not blind specific-- they are geared towards the entire > > viewing audience. > > > > So it seems unfair to make the assertion that Hadley begins the seminar > > by reminding to wash your cook station because they assume blind people > > don't know this. I would think everyone- blind and sighted- would be > > aware of this, but obviously this is not the case since I find this > > advice elsewhere including cookbooks and Food Network programs. > > > > Trust me, I know how easy it is to paint a person or group or idea as > > bad, but it's a little unfair. Short of Hadley point-blank making > > statements like blind people are dirty or can't handle sharp objects or > > are too vulnerable in the kitchen, etc., we shouldn't assume the intent > > behind seminars like this is because they believe blind people less > > capable. > > > > And if someone wishes to take a class like this, it does not mean they > > are not capable or not independent. We all seek different resources and > > tools to achieve success in any endeavor. As I said in an earlier post, > > if we are being as independent as we can be and reaching for our full > > potential, what does it matter how we got there? > > > > When we automatically assume everyone and everything else has misguided > > or bad motives, we risk reverse prejudice. We are certainly allowed > > opinions, and we can disagree, but neither should we make erroneous > > judgments or allow our thinking to be clouded by one view point. If > > I've learned anything since losing my vision eight years ago, it is > > this. > > > > Sincerely, > > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:00:34 -0700 > > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking > > Message-ID: <20110725010032.GQ2840 at yumi.bluecherry.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > I?ve found it and started listening?so far I?m seven and a half > > minutes in and so far they?ve talked about the importance of washing > > your fruits and veggies, keeping cookware and counter tops clean, > > etc. I suppose there are people who don?t know that, but it?s not > > terribly inspiring so far. > > > > Joseph - KF7QZC > > > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:34:02 -0700 > > From: Carly Mihalakis > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > , National Association of Blind Students > > mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking > > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110724183159.01cad130 at earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > > > > > > > > > Evening, Joseph, > > > > Don't you know Joseph the way blind folks get off on cooking, in > > filth? How dare they tell us to clean our counters! Carkeeping cookware > > and counter tops clean, > > etc. I suppose there are people who don???t know > > that, but it???s not terribly inspiring so far. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 05:22:18 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:22:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking In-Reply-To: <010101cc4af4$35a25b10$a0e71130$@com> References: <010101cc4af4$35a25b10$a0e71130$@com> Message-ID: <20110726052218.GE72975@yumi.bluecherry.net> Sean, I thought the sarcasm was a little thick, but don’t know that it failed to contribute to the discussion. Carly’s certainly welcome to an opinion, and God only knows I’ve not been shy with my own! I didn’t reply, since I felt that a reply wouldn’t add anything. I think that 10 minutes of an hour program just discussing the need to wash your counters and dishes regularly wasn’t a productive use of time, but to me that seems like common sense. At least the moments reminding people to wash the outsides of melons and how a double rinse for things like spinach is a good idea seemed like things a person might not just automatically know they should be doing. Joseph - KF7QZC On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:56:40PM -0500, Sean Whalen wrote: >Carly, > > > >Could you consider if something adds any value to a discussion before >posting it please? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Sean > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 05:35:12 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:35:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110726053512.GF72975@yumi.bluecherry.net> The announcement touched a nerve for me certainly, and I’m probably not the target audience of the seminar for any number of reasons (if only because I have no interest in removing the yolks from my eggs, using artificial sweeteners to reduce calories, etc. Clearly the panel has different ideas about good food than I do! *grin* I have occasionally heard cleaning tips for things like leafy produce, but never a long discussion about the importance of washing your dishes and counter tops. Having that in the same seminar as a discussion of farmer’s markets and growing your own herbs just seems like they aren’t quite sure who their audience is. I’m no longer sure myself, but probably I wasn’t it. Some of the resource recipes might be useful, but I could just as easily find such things on other sites. In the kitchen, my greatest disability isn’t blindness. It’s that I don’t want to spend a lot of time in the kitchen, am generally pretty lazy about the whole affair, and anything I make has got to be worth making in a small enough quantity to feed me alone without a whole lot of leftovers I haven’t the space to store. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:34:13AM -0400, Jamie Principato wrote: >I haven't been following this thread until now because we discussed this >seminar on the Blind Cooks mailing list as well, but we'd come to the >conclusion that the "No-Cook" theme was simply because people who cook a lot >don't generally enjoy having their ovens and ranges on indoors during the >summer when it's already hot as blazes. I know that I generally prefer >no-cook recipes in the summer for this reason, and I've seen local cooking >schools (general public) and cooking blogs I read start pushing the no-cook >thing as soon as the weather gets warm and the produce gets ripe. I just >assumed everyone saw this as quickly as the Cooks mailing list. I'm actually >rather surprised to see that this struck a nerve with some people, and I >find the differing opinions very interesting, but I really don't think there >were any such intentions. > >On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Kirt Manwaring >wrote: > >> Bridget, >> Posts like this are what keeps me subscribed to this time-waster of >> a list. I'm not even going to try and throw in my two cents here, >> because you've covered it to the point where I'd just make myself look >> silly. Very, very well said. >> >> On 7/25/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> > HI Brigit and all, >> > I agree there. I don't think there was any bad intent, but rather there >> were >> > basic tips such as washing produce and cleaning counters to ensure people >> > actually did that. Shows for the general audience start out this way too, >> as >> > you said. Hadley has other seminars in which they share recipies and tips >> > for actual cooking like in the crock pot. Some people said maybe Hadley >> > believes blind people can't cook, and after looking at their seminar list >> on >> > cooking I do not think that is the case at all. >> > >> > Now as for the seminar itself I listened to most of it. I felt they >> couldn't >> > cover much in an hour. They had a Q and A part and then brefily described >> > some no cook recipies. My favorite was the desserts where they explained >> how >> > easy making a smoothy was! I was not aware that you just needed to chop >> up >> > fruit, freeze them, and blend them later. >> > They will put out a resource list with the recipies they referenced. Oh, >> I >> > also learned the health benefits of some spices. >> > >> > Ashley >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Bridgit Pollpeter >> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:26 PM >> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking >> > >> > This Hadley seminar may not be for everyone-- nothing ever is. >> > Personally, I'm more apt to watch the Food Network or search for recipes >> > online, but just because I don't choose to take a seminar like this does >> > not mean it is wrong, or that Hadley has wrong intentions in offering >> > it. >> > >> > To be honest, most cooking shows will provide basic advice like starting >> > with a clean service or using clean utensils or washing produce, and >> > these shows are not blind specific-- they are geared towards the entire >> > viewing audience. >> > >> > So it seems unfair to make the assertion that Hadley begins the seminar >> > by reminding to wash your cook station because they assume blind people >> > don't know this. I would think everyone- blind and sighted- would be >> > aware of this, but obviously this is not the case since I find this >> > advice elsewhere including cookbooks and Food Network programs. >> > >> > Trust me, I know how easy it is to paint a person or group or idea as >> > bad, but it's a little unfair. Short of Hadley point-blank making >> > statements like blind people are dirty or can't handle sharp objects or >> > are too vulnerable in the kitchen, etc., we shouldn't assume the intent >> > behind seminars like this is because they believe blind people less >> > capable. >> > >> > And if someone wishes to take a class like this, it does not mean they >> > are not capable or not independent. We all seek different resources and >> > tools to achieve success in any endeavor. As I said in an earlier post, >> > if we are being as independent as we can be and reaching for our full >> > potential, what does it matter how we got there? >> > >> > When we automatically assume everyone and everything else has misguided >> > or bad motives, we risk reverse prejudice. We are certainly allowed >> > opinions, and we can disagree, but neither should we make erroneous >> > judgments or allow our thinking to be clouded by one view point. If >> > I've learned anything since losing my vision eight years ago, it is >> > this. >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >> > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >> > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ >> > >> > Message: 3 >> > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:00:34 -0700 >> > From: "T. Joseph Carter" >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking >> > Message-ID: <20110725010032.GQ2840 at yumi.bluecherry.net> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> > >> > I?ve found it and started listening?so far I?m seven and a half >> > minutes in and so far they?ve talked about the importance of washing >> > your fruits and veggies, keeping cookware and counter tops clean, >> > etc. I suppose there are people who don?t know that, but it?s not >> > terribly inspiring so far. >> > >> > Joseph - KF7QZC >> > >> > >> > Message: 5 >> > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:34:02 -0700 >> > From: Carly Mihalakis >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > , National Association of Blind Students >> > mailing >> > list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking >> > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110724183159.01cad130 at earthlink.net> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Evening, Joseph, >> > >> > Don't you know Joseph the way blind folks get off on cooking, in >> > filth? How dare they tell us to clean our counters! Carkeeping cookware >> > and counter tops clean, >> > etc. I suppose there are people who don???t know >> > that, but it???s not terribly inspiring so far. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From JFreeh at nfb.org Tue Jul 26 06:25:24 2011 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:25:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Supports Blind Machinist in Employment Discrimination Suit Against Railroad Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices (303) 520-3584 slabarre at labarrelaw.com National Federation of the Blind Supports Blind Machinist in Employment Discrimination Suit Against Railroad Omaha, Nebraska (July 25, 2011): With the assistance of the National Federation of the Blind, Frank Hohn, a legally blind locomotive machinist from Hemmingford Village, Nebraska, is taking his discrimination case (Case No. 8:05CV552) against Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF) to a jury trial tomorrow. The trial will be held before the Honorable United States District Court Judge Lyle Strom. In 2004, BNSF removed Mr. Hohn from his job as a diesel locomotive mechanic, claiming that his visual impairment put his and others' health at risk on the job, even though there was no evidence that Mr. Hohn had difficulty on the job or had ever endangered himself or anyone else. Mr. Hohn has worked safely in machinist positions for over three decades and has never suffered an injury because of his blindness. Since removing Mr. Hohn from his job, BNSF has refused to allow him an opportunity to complete an on-site work evaluation with the help of the Nebraska Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired. Such an evaluation would determine the accommodations that Mr. Hohn might need, if any. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "On the twenty-first anniversary of the passage of the Americans with Disabilities Act, we stand with Mr. Hohn to combat discrimination on the basis of blindness. Far too often, employers use unfounded fears about the safety of the blind to prevent us from obtaining jobs or to remove us from jobs we are well qualified to do. The National Federation of the Blind is committed to putting an end to this kind of discrimination, which is based on erroneous assumptions about the blind rather than on facts and evidence." Mr. Hohn said: "I look forward to telling a jury how much I loved my job and how my disability has never stopped me from working in the mechanical fields." Mr. Hohn is being represented with the support of the National Federation of the Blind by Scott C. LaBarre of the Denver firm LaBarre Law Offices, and Timothy R. Elder of the Baltimore firm Brown, Goldstein and Levy, LLP. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. 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Which GPS units or apps allow the user to plan a route and get step-by-step spoken directions? I know, lots of quetstons, but I'm boggled by the number and variations of chioces. Someone mentioned there is a built-in GPS in the iPhone. how does that workk? Does it allow you to pinpoint destinations and have it announce them as you pass, or does it only do pre-panned routes? Is it basically like the TomTom, but for pedestrians, where you plug in th eaddress and it gives turn-by-turn directions? ~Jewel, who is full of questions today! On 7/25/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ashley, > > Yes, the Trekker tells you the next intersection and the type of > intersection. For example, it might say "Four-way intersection, > (parallel street name) crossing (perpendicular street name.)" It > might also say what streets are on each side of you. I don't > know about the Captain, though. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:50:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software > > Kat, > Where do you work? I'm temporarily at NLS. > Anyway, I am also thinking of a GPS: either the breeze or > Captain. > How accurate are they? I understand they tell you the upcoming > intersection. > Does it tell you about the intersection like whether it’s a > four way stop? > We can figure out some of that by analysis, but it would be nice > to have > that > info from the machine. When you program in routes, how often > will it speak > directions? Do both products allow you to > record landmarks? > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kat Bottner > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:53 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software > > Hello all, > I too am looking into getting a gps system at some point in the > nearer > future, and I'm not sure which one to get. > I'm currently borrowing the Kaptan Plus from work, and so far > I've not been > able to use it much due to it needing to be charge and today, it > took > forever to find gps signel, so in short, wasn't able to use it. > I'm not sure which is better the breeze or the Kaptan, I'd be > interested in > hearing responses from users of both, the pros, con, etc. I look > forward to > hearing from some or all of you soon. > Thanks in advance, > Kat > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Patrick Molloy > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:36 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software > > Jewel, > I use the Trekker Breeze. It's fairly easy to use, but you > really > can't rely on any GPS unit. I've noticed two main flaws with the > Trekker Breeze. First, it announces landmarks when you are on > the same > street, not at the actual destination and/or landmark. Second, > if it's > a cloudy day, Trekker can get thrown off. (Cloud cover makes > connecting to GPS satellites difficult.) Other than that, Trekker > Breeze is a good GPS if you already have the mobility skills. > Patrick > > On 7/24/11, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's > opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an > iPhone, so > if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also love > to > hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other > similar GPS > products and software. > > Thank you, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottn > er%40gmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 20:38:52 2011 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:38:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS Message-ID: Hi, How do you all fill in CAPTCHAS on websites? I'm required to use several different websites that require CAPTCHAS for work. In this situation, asking for sighted assistance is impractical. I've heard of services such as Solona, but are they quick and usable? Brice -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 21:01:14 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:01:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] No cook cooking and hopefully a new topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sure many of us are tired of this discussion, and I truly don't want to harp on about it, or take up time that could be spent dealing with other topics, but as an older NABS member (I will turn 30 in August, ug *smile*) I want to throw a suggestion out. As a very passionate person myself, I know how easy it is to get hot and bothered and want to put my opinion out into the world (hence this post) but I've gained a small bit of perspective and understand that not only are we all allowed our own opinions and beliefs, but we also should respect differences. There is a way to present differing views and even argue different perspectives and ideas without being condescending or negative or plain disrespectful. I think we all need to take a minute before responding to any post and figure out how to present ourselves in a manner that leads to open, healthy discussion and does not spiral down into a nasty disagreement. Grant it, some will always take offense no matter what, but I think the goal needs to be open communication, which can be different, but not opening the shark tank. Some of us like cooking- some don't; some of us like seminars similar to what Hadley offered- some not so much. Whether you like it or not, it does not make the seminar itself bad. We get very wary about things advertised or geared towards the blind- and yes, we have a history of people and institutions thinking we're not capable, and this sadly still exist, but we have to learn to not immediately crucify things before taking a minute to gather info and ponder on it. To be honest, based on my observations, many of us did not take the seminar or research it before commenting on it. To be so grossly negative seems unfair. So, I guess I challenge each of us to truly think for ourselves and pause before jumping to assumptions. And whether you believe a thing good or bad, consider your reasoning. Why do you think something is good or bad? Do you truly feel that way, or is it a conditioned response based on outside influences? These are important exercises regardless of the situation. And to take this to a new discussion, I wonder what responses are about the trial in Omaha. Since I'm from the big O, I've been helping with some of the PR locally, and since I graduate this August, it has me wondering about employment for myself. In light of this case and the growing situation with the sub-minimum wage issue, I wonder what our future will be like. My mom does not believe me when I say discrimination still exist for people with disabilities. After discussing the Frank Hohn trial with her, she thought the rail company was in the right because companies have written job descriptions, and if employees aren't meeting these pre-determined duties, then any employee can be legally fired. I said that this is exactly what the case is about- Mr. Hohn was doing his job duties and has been for years. Even though he proved he was doing the job and has a record to back him up, BNSF railway fired him and refused a meeting with the Nebraska Commission for the Blind and Mr. Hohn. My mom still fails to see the problem most likely because she questions the ability of a blind person to be a machinist. These attitudes persist and are more prevalent than people think. It is easy to not notice discrimination and attitudes when you're not disabled, but it doesn't mean this doesn't happen. So as the future generations, how do we cope with this? What can we do to combat this issue? Some say we should give up- it's to big to fight, we'll never convince the world. Some say we make to much of a big deal about these issues; people don't know better and we should be more considerate and lenient. Some think we shouldn't choose careers just to prove a point; we should do jobs that the world knows a blind person can do. We should never give up when injustice is rampant. We're human beings who deserve every right afforded to other citizens. Equality is not just a racial or sexual orientation issue. Just because you don't understand something, this is not a reason to dismiss it or label it not equal. We have every right to fight for what we know is right. When children misbehave because they don't know better, do we let it slide? No- we correct the behavior and teach them what is right. So when people discriminate against us for blindness because they don't know any better, why should we let it go? We should be respectful and educate in a positive way, but educate we must. How does the world change, or people learn, when I just leave it alone because "they didn't know better?" We need to speak up for ourselves and educate about blindness. Ignorance is not an excuse to allow misinformed and misguided perceptions to exist. We should be able to pursue any path we want. We always hear how the sky's the limit and we can do anything we put our minds to- unless your disabled. This seems to be the purveying attitude in society. Why can't I follow my dreams? Why am I expected to accept lower standards and expectations when I don't feel this way? Blindness- or any disability- is not a reason to limit ourselves, and no one else should limit us either. We have dreams and goals and we should be able to pursue them just like our nondisabled peers. We still have a long way to go, but we all need to raise our voices- as a collective and as individuals-- so the world knows we are equal and we demand to be treated as equals. Denying us rights and firing us for our disability and paying us sub-parr wages with no information other than proof of our disability- is no longer acceptable. Don't be fooled or chided into believing we are wrong for demanding equality. For once we deserve fair opportunities and we are not willing to watch from the sidelines. It's easy to hear about these issues and feel overwhelmed and think negatively, but let this be a moment that brings us together; let's encourage one another to keep moving forward. With all our disagreements and various views on how to do something- in this we all agree- we deserve the same rights and opportunities as anyone else. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Maverick Solutions PR, staff member Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 22:16:42 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:16:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C91F8A92E84465EBD536DBA4239ED48@HumbertoAvila> Hello, I use Solona, and it is quite usable. I find it quite convenient when there is no audio captcha or the audio captcha is not working for me. I recommend you try it. It works with all websites though there are rules which you can read as well as sign up at this web site: www.solona.net -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brice Smith Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:39 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS Hi, How do you all fill in CAPTCHAS on websites? I'm required to use several different websites that require CAPTCHAS for work. In this situation, asking for sighted assistance is impractical. I've heard of services such as Solona, but are they quick and usable? Brice -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 22:17:25 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:17:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Textbook Finder Beta: Federated Search Message-ID: The Accessible Textbook Finder (ATF) searches multiple sources of accessible books and provides the results in a combined format. The ATF search includes six accessible media producers and libraries. Search results and materials are provided by the individual sources. Additional sources may be added during the beta. Current sources: AccessText Network, Alternative Media Access Center, BookShare, CourseSmart, Learning Ally, and National Library Service Please give it a try, it's a one-stop search for all accessible books. http://www.accesstext.org/fedsearch.php Thanks, Kevin From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 22:40:56 2011 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:40:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS In-Reply-To: <2C91F8A92E84465EBD536DBA4239ED48@HumbertoAvila> References: <2C91F8A92E84465EBD536DBA4239ED48@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Thanks for your thoughts, Humberto. Unfortunately, I'm not sure sure it's all that reliable. When I've logged into Solona all afternoon, all I get is: "Captcha solution service unavailable." Brice On 7/26/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > > I use Solona, and it is quite usable. I find it quite convenient when there > is no audio captcha or the audio captcha is not working for me. I recommend > you try it. It works with all websites though there are rules which you can > read as well as sign up at this web site: www.solona.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Brice Smith > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:39 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS > > Hi, > > How do you all fill in CAPTCHAS on websites? I'm required to use > several different websites that require CAPTCHAS for work. In this > situation, asking for sighted assistance is impractical. I've heard of > services such as Solona, but are they quick and usable? > > Brice > > -- > Brice Smith > North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations > Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com > -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 22:51:30 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:51:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS In-Reply-To: References: <2C91F8A92E84465EBD536DBA4239ED48@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: I get that message too, and, all I can do, is just wait until the captcha service is available--as you know, the captcha service works remotely with other humans, not computers, and the humans or human that do this solves that captcha for you--yet, they don't even go into the website to do it--they just look at a .PNG file you upload. I'm not sure how many people volunteer to do this, but when the message "captcha solution is unavailable," that means that, in my opinion, no one is currently available to volunteer with captchas. Hope it makes sense. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brice Smith Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS Thanks for your thoughts, Humberto. Unfortunately, I'm not sure sure it's all that reliable. When I've logged into Solona all afternoon, all I get is: "Captcha solution service unavailable." Brice On 7/26/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > > I use Solona, and it is quite usable. I find it quite convenient when there > is no audio captcha or the audio captcha is not working for me. I recommend > you try it. It works with all websites though there are rules which you can > read as well as sign up at this web site: www.solona.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Brice Smith > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:39 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS > > Hi, > > How do you all fill in CAPTCHAS on websites? I'm required to use > several different websites that require CAPTCHAS for work. In this > situation, asking for sighted assistance is impractical. I've heard of > services such as Solona, but are they quick and usable? > > Brice > > -- > Brice Smith > North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations > Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gma il.com > -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 23:57:17 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:57:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software In-Reply-To: References: <4e2dfb18.24aeec0a.5211.326c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Jewel, Yes, Trekker allows you to create landmarks and subsequently plan routes to them. Patrick On 7/26/11, Jewel wrote: > Does the Trekker allow you to mark locations (for example, say I want > to mark the local library as alocation) and then plan routes to that > location? Which GPS units or apps allow the user to plan a route and > get step-by-step spoken directions? > > I know, lots of quetstons, but I'm boggled by the number and > variations of chioces. Someone mentioned there is a built-in GPS in > the iPhone. how does that workk? Does it allow you to pinpoint > destinations and have it announce them as you pass, or does it only do > pre-panned routes? Is it basically like the TomTom, but for > pedestrians, where you plug in th eaddress and it gives turn-by-turn > directions? > > ~Jewel, who is full of questions today! > > On 7/25/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Ashley, >> >> Yes, the Trekker tells you the next intersection and the type of >> intersection. For example, it might say "Four-way intersection, >> (parallel street name) crossing (perpendicular street name.)" It >> might also say what streets are on each side of you. I don't >> know about the Captain, though. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:50:20 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software >> >> Kat, >> Where do you work? I'm temporarily at NLS. >> Anyway, I am also thinking of a GPS: either the breeze or >> Captain. >> How accurate are they? I understand they tell you the upcoming >> intersection. >> Does it tell you about the intersection like whether it’s a >> four way stop? >> We can figure out some of that by analysis, but it would be nice >> to have >> that >> info from the machine. When you program in routes, how often >> will it speak >> directions? Do both products allow you to >> record landmarks? >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kat Bottner >> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:53 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software >> >> Hello all, >> I too am looking into getting a gps system at some point in the >> nearer >> future, and I'm not sure which one to get. >> I'm currently borrowing the Kaptan Plus from work, and so far >> I've not been >> able to use it much due to it needing to be charge and today, it >> took >> forever to find gps signel, so in short, wasn't able to use it. >> I'm not sure which is better the breeze or the Kaptan, I'd be >> interested in >> hearing responses from users of both, the pros, con, etc. I look >> forward to >> hearing from some or all of you soon. >> Thanks in advance, >> Kat >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Patrick Molloy >> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software >> >> Jewel, >> I use the Trekker Breeze. It's fairly easy to use, but you >> really >> can't rely on any GPS unit. I've noticed two main flaws with the >> Trekker Breeze. First, it announces landmarks when you are on >> the same >> street, not at the actual destination and/or landmark. Second, >> if it's >> a cloudy day, Trekker can get thrown off. (Cloud cover makes >> connecting to GPS satellites difficult.) Other than that, Trekker >> Breeze is a good GPS if you already have the mobility skills. >> Patrick >> >> On 7/24/11, Jewel wrote: >> Dear all, >> I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's >> opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an >> iPhone, so >> if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also love >> to >> hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other >> similar GPS >> products and software. >> >> Thank you, >> Jewel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >> loy%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottn >> er%40gmail. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From dreami.eyes at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 00:07:32 2011 From: dreami.eyes at gmail.com (Janelle Orlowski) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:07:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS In-Reply-To: References: <2C91F8A92E84465EBD536DBA4239ED48@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <4E2F56C4.5000401@gmail.com> On 7/26/2011 5:51 PM, Humberto Avila wrote: > I get that message too, and, all I can do, is just wait until the captcha > service is available--as you know, the captcha service works remotely with > other humans, not computers, and the humans or human that do this solves > that captcha for you--yet, they don't even go into the website to do > it--they just look at a .PNG file you upload. > I'm not sure how many people volunteer to do this, but when the message > "captcha solution is unavailable," that means that, in my opinion, no one is > currently available to volunteer with captchas. > > Hope it makes sense. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Brice Smith > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS > > Thanks for your thoughts, Humberto. Unfortunately, I'm not sure sure > it's all that reliable. When I've logged into Solona all afternoon, > all I get is: > > "Captcha solution service unavailable." > > Brice > > On 7/26/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I use Solona, and it is quite usable. I find it quite convenient when > there >> is no audio captcha or the audio captcha is not working for me. I > recommend >> you try it. It works with all websites though there are rules which you > can >> read as well as sign up at this web site: www.solona.net >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Brice Smith >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:39 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS >> >> Hi, >> >> How do you all fill in CAPTCHAS on websites? I'm required to use >> several different websites that require CAPTCHAS for work. In this >> situation, asking for sighted assistance is impractical. I've heard of >> services such as Solona, but are they quick and usable? >> >> Brice >> >> -- >> Brice Smith >> North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations >> Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gma > il.com > > I use webvisum to solve my cap tcha but you have to have fir fox. From carlymih at earthlink.net Wed Jul 27 00:26:07 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis Esq.) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:26:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] No cook cooking and hopefully a new topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110726171950.01d27558@earthlink.net> Hi, Bridgit, If only folk could apply suggestions you so eloquently, articulated in your letter and find a sentiment, of unity, and group action to boot, If we get together, stay humble and introspective, we can make unbelievable, social strides. for today, Car At 02:01 PM 7/26/2011, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: >I'm sure many of us are tired of this discussion, and I truly don't want >to harp on about it, or take up time that could be spent dealing with >other topics, but as an older NABS member (I will turn 30 in August, ug >*smile*) I want to throw a suggestion out. > >As a very passionate person myself, I know how easy it is to get hot and >bothered and want to put my opinion out into the world (hence this post) >but I've gained a small bit of perspective and understand that not only >are we all allowed our own opinions and beliefs, but we also should >respect differences. There is a way to present differing views and even >argue different perspectives and ideas without being condescending or >negative or plain disrespectful. I think we all need to take a minute >before responding to any post and figure out how to present ourselves in >a manner that leads to open, healthy discussion and does not spiral down >into a nasty disagreement. Grant it, some will always take offense no >matter what, but I think the goal needs to be open communication, which >can be different, but not opening the shark tank. > >Some of us like cooking- some don't; some of us like seminars similar to >what Hadley offered- some not so much. Whether you like it or not, it >does not make the seminar itself bad. We get very wary about things >advertised or geared towards the blind- and yes, we have a history of >people and institutions thinking we're not capable, and this sadly still >exist, but we have to learn to not immediately crucify things before >taking a minute to gather info and ponder on it. To be honest, based on >my observations, many of us did not take the seminar or research it >before commenting on it. To be so grossly negative seems unfair. > >So, I guess I challenge each of us to truly think for ourselves and >pause before jumping to assumptions. And whether you believe a thing >good or bad, consider your reasoning. Why do you think something is >good or bad? Do you truly feel that way, or is it a conditioned >response based on outside influences? These are important exercises >regardless of the situation. > >And to take this to a new discussion, I wonder what responses are about >the trial in Omaha. Since I'm from the big O, I've been helping with >some of the PR locally, and since I graduate this August, it has me >wondering about employment for myself. > >In light of this case and the growing situation with the sub-minimum >wage issue, I wonder what our future will be like. > >My mom does not believe me when I say discrimination still exist for >people with disabilities. After discussing the Frank Hohn trial with >her, she thought the rail company was in the right because companies >have written job descriptions, and if employees aren't meeting these >pre-determined duties, then any employee can be legally fired. I said >that this is exactly what the case is about- Mr. Hohn was doing his job >duties and has been for years. Even though he proved he was doing the >job and has a record to back him up, BNSF railway fired him and refused >a meeting with the Nebraska Commission for the Blind and Mr. Hohn. My >mom still fails to see the problem most likely because she questions the >ability of a blind person to be a machinist. > >These attitudes persist and are more prevalent than people think. It is >easy to not notice discrimination and attitudes when you're not >disabled, but it doesn't mean this doesn't happen. > >So as the future generations, how do we cope with this? What can we do >to combat this issue? Some say we should give up- it's to big to fight, >we'll never convince the world. Some say we make to much of a big deal >about these issues; people don't know better and we should be more >considerate and lenient. Some think we shouldn't choose careers just to >prove a point; we should do jobs that the world knows a blind person can >do. > >We should never give up when injustice is rampant. We're human beings >who deserve every right afforded to other citizens. Equality is not >just a racial or sexual orientation issue. Just because you don't >understand something, this is not a reason to dismiss it or label it not >equal. We have every right to fight for what we know is right. > >When children misbehave because they don't know better, do we let it >slide? No- we correct the behavior and teach them what is right. So >when people discriminate against us for blindness because they don't >know any better, why should we let it go? We should be respectful and >educate in a positive way, but educate we must. How does the world >change, or people learn, when I just leave it alone because "they didn't >know better?" We need to speak up for ourselves and educate about >blindness. Ignorance is not an excuse to allow misinformed and >misguided perceptions to exist. > >We should be able to pursue any path we want. We always hear how the >sky's the limit and we can do anything we put our minds to- unless your >disabled. This seems to be the purveying attitude in society. Why >can't I follow my dreams? Why am I expected to accept lower standards >and expectations when I don't feel this way? Blindness- or any >disability- is not a reason to limit ourselves, and no one else should >limit us either. We have dreams and goals and we should be able to >pursue them just like our nondisabled peers. > >We still have a long way to go, but we all need to raise our voices- as >a collective and as individuals-- so the world knows we are equal and we >demand to be treated as equals. Denying us rights and firing us for our >disability and paying us sub-parr wages with no information other than >proof of our disability- is no longer acceptable. Don't be fooled or >chided into believing we are wrong for demanding equality. For once we >deserve fair opportunities and we are not willing to watch from the >sidelines. > >It's easy to hear about these issues and feel overwhelmed and think >negatively, but let this be a moment that brings us together; let's >encourage one another to keep moving forward. With all our >disagreements and various views on how to do something- in this we all >agree- we deserve the same rights and opportunities as anyone else. > >Sincerely, >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >Maverick Solutions PR, staff member >Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 01:06:16 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:06:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS In-Reply-To: <4E2F56C4.5000401@gmail.com> References: <2C91F8A92E84465EBD536DBA4239ED48@HumbertoAvila> <4E2F56C4.5000401@gmail.com> Message-ID: Like the person before, I was going to advise webvisum. Here is the website I got this information from and below is some of what the site says. http://www.webvisum.com/ WebVisum is a unique browser add on which greatly enhances web accessibility and empowers the blind and visually impaired community by putting the control in your hands! Its aim is to allow you to better enjoy surfing the net and be significantly less dependent upon outside help. Now available in English, German, Russian, Italian, Slovak, Bulgarian, Dutch, Croatian, Romanian, Portugese, Turkish and Spanish! If you want to help, login into your account and visit the Community page! Just a few exciting features that we already offer: list of 5 items • Community driven tagging and page enhancements. • Automated and instant CAPTCHA image solving, sign up to web sites and make forum posts and blog comments without asking for help! • Built in helper functions for easier page navigation and less confusion. • Numerous under the hood page tweaks designed to help screen reader users. • Visually Impaired users benefit from features such as high contrast page viewing, link and focus highlighting, and more. list end It is only available for the Firefox browser. If you have not used Firefox, or used an old version, we highly recommend that you Download Firefox version 3.5 which is probably the most accessible, fast and overall best web browser on the Internet. You won't regret it! On 7/26/11, Janelle Orlowski wrote: > On 7/26/2011 5:51 PM, Humberto Avila wrote: >> I get that message too, and, all I can do, is just wait until the captcha >> service is available--as you know, the captcha service works remotely >> with >> other humans, not computers, and the humans or human that do this solves >> that captcha for you--yet, they don't even go into the website to do >> it--they just look at a .PNG file you upload. >> I'm not sure how many people volunteer to do this, but when the message >> "captcha solution is unavailable," that means that, in my opinion, no one >> is >> currently available to volunteer with captchas. >> >> Hope it makes sense. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Brice Smith >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS >> >> Thanks for your thoughts, Humberto. Unfortunately, I'm not sure sure >> it's all that reliable. When I've logged into Solona all afternoon, >> all I get is: >> >> "Captcha solution service unavailable." >> >> Brice >> >> On 7/26/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I use Solona, and it is quite usable. I find it quite convenient when >> there >>> is no audio captcha or the audio captcha is not working for me. I >> recommend >>> you try it. It works with all websites though there are rules which you >> can >>> read as well as sign up at this web site: www.solona.net >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>> Of Brice Smith >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:39 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> How do you all fill in CAPTCHAS on websites? I'm required to use >>> several different websites that require CAPTCHAS for work. In this >>> situation, asking for sighted assistance is impractical. I've heard of >>> services such as Solona, but are they quick and usable? >>> >>> Brice >>> >>> -- >>> Brice Smith >>> North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations >>> Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gma >> il.com >> >> > I use webvisum to solve my cap tcha but you have to have fir fox. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 27 01:58:32 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:58:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS References: <2C91F8A92E84465EBD536DBA4239ED48@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <002501cc4c00$b064aa80$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good evening everyone, If the site is built using the ColdFusion markup language tell them to take a look at CFForm Protect. It performs spam and bot checking without any interaction by the user and is freely available. I have it running on one Web site and no one is encountering any difficulties. Such an approach makes the site fully accessible to blind and deaf-blind visitors. Audio captchas are of no use if you're both blind and deaf. Perhaps there is a component similar to CFForm Protect for other Web development environments they could replace that captcha with to remove accessibility barriers and just plain irritation for sighted users to deal with. I always said don't bank on services like Webvism or Salona and I'm being proved right. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS I get that message too, and, all I can do, is just wait until the captcha service is available--as you know, the captcha service works remotely with other humans, not computers, and the humans or human that do this solves that captcha for you--yet, they don't even go into the website to do it--they just look at a .PNG file you upload. I'm not sure how many people volunteer to do this, but when the message "captcha solution is unavailable," that means that, in my opinion, no one is currently available to volunteer with captchas. Hope it makes sense. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brice Smith Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS Thanks for your thoughts, Humberto. Unfortunately, I'm not sure sure it's all that reliable. When I've logged into Solona all afternoon, all I get is: "Captcha solution service unavailable." Brice On 7/26/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > > I use Solona, and it is quite usable. I find it quite convenient when there > is no audio captcha or the audio captcha is not working for me. I recommend > you try it. It works with all websites though there are rules which you can > read as well as sign up at this web site: www.solona.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Brice Smith > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:39 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS > > Hi, > > How do you all fill in CAPTCHAS on websites? I'm required to use > several different websites that require CAPTCHAS for work. In this > situation, asking for sighted assistance is impractical. I've heard of > services such as Solona, but are they quick and usable? > > Brice > > -- > Brice Smith > North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations > Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gma il.com > -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 07:08:23 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. 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Field) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:40:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS References: <2C91F8A92E84465EBD536DBA4239ED48@HumbertoAvila><4E2F56C4.5000401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1EE23D03D65045308CA5F6A6C479614F@heathersony> Webvisum is an add-on for the Fire Fox browser. I think you need to use fire fox as your browser if you want to use webvism. I use webvisum to solve my captchas and it works every time. It doesn't rely on a human being available. If you're willing to have Fire Fox as an alternative browser for some jobs, it's a good alternative. Regards, Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lea williams" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS Like the person before, I was going to advise webvisum. Here is the website I got this information from and below is some of what the site says. http://www.webvisum.com/ WebVisum is a unique browser add on which greatly enhances web accessibility and empowers the blind and visually impaired community by putting the control in your hands! Its aim is to allow you to better enjoy surfing the net and be significantly less dependent upon outside help. Now available in English, German, Russian, Italian, Slovak, Bulgarian, Dutch, Croatian, Romanian, Portugese, Turkish and Spanish! If you want to help, login into your account and visit the Community page! Just a few exciting features that we already offer: list of 5 items � Community driven tagging and page enhancements. � Automated and instant CAPTCHA image solving, sign up to web sites and make forum posts and blog comments without asking for help! � Built in helper functions for easier page navigation and less confusion. � Numerous under the hood page tweaks designed to help screen reader users. � Visually Impaired users benefit from features such as high contrast page viewing, link and focus highlighting, and more. list end It is only available for the Firefox browser. If you have not used Firefox, or used an old version, we highly recommend that you Download Firefox version 3.5 which is probably the most accessible, fast and overall best web browser on the Internet. You won't regret it! On 7/26/11, Janelle Orlowski wrote: > On 7/26/2011 5:51 PM, Humberto Avila wrote: >> I get that message too, and, all I can do, is just wait until the >> captcha >> service is available--as you know, the captcha service works >> remotely >> with >> other humans, not computers, and the humans or human that do this >> solves >> that captcha for you--yet, they don't even go into the website to >> do >> it--they just look at a .PNG file you upload. >> I'm not sure how many people volunteer to do this, but when the >> message >> "captcha solution is unavailable," that means that, in my opinion, >> no one >> is >> currently available to volunteer with captchas. >> >> Hope it makes sense. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> Behalf >> Of Brice Smith >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS >> >> Thanks for your thoughts, Humberto. Unfortunately, I'm not sure >> sure >> it's all that reliable. When I've logged into Solona all afternoon, >> all I get is: >> >> "Captcha solution service unavailable." >> >> Brice >> >> On 7/26/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I use Solona, and it is quite usable. I find it quite convenient >>> when >> there >>> is no audio captcha or the audio captcha is not working for me. I >> recommend >>> you try it. It works with all websites though there are rules >>> which you >> can >>> read as well as sign up at this web site: www.solona.net >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On >> Behalf >>> Of Brice Smith >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:39 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> How do you all fill in CAPTCHAS on websites? I'm required to use >>> several different websites that require CAPTCHAS for work. In this >>> situation, asking for sighted assistance is impractical. I've >>> heard of >>> services such as Solona, but are they quick and usable? >>> >>> Brice >>> >>> -- >>> Brice Smith >>> North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations >>> Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gma >> il.com >> >> > I use webvisum to solve my cap tcha but you have to have fir fox. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 21:48:57 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:48:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS References: <2C91F8A92E84465EBD536DBA4239ED48@HumbertoAvila><4E2F56C4.5000401@gmail.com> <1EE23D03D65045308CA5F6A6C479614F@heathersony> Message-ID: <9217DAF52EF549A3B7BBA029F74AB48E@hometwxakonvzn> Heather, How do you set up web visum with the latest verson of firefox? RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. Field" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS > Webvisum is an add-on for the Fire Fox browser. I think you need to > use fire fox as your browser if you want to use webvism. I use > webvisum to solve my captchas and it works every time. It doesn't rely > on a human being available. If you're willing to have Fire Fox as an > alternative browser for some jobs, it's a good alternative. > Regards, > Heather > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lea williams" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS > > > Like the person before, I was going to advise webvisum. > > Here is the website I got this information from and below is some of > what the site says. > > http://www.webvisum.com/ > > WebVisum is a unique browser add on which greatly enhances web > accessibility and empowers the blind and visually impaired community > by putting the control > in your hands! Its aim is to allow you to better enjoy surfing the net > and be significantly less dependent upon outside help. Now available > in English, > German, Russian, Italian, Slovak, Bulgarian, Dutch, Croatian, > Romanian, Portugese, Turkish and Spanish! If you want to help, login > into your account and > visit the Community page! > > Just a few exciting features that we already offer: > list of 5 items > . Community driven tagging and page enhancements. > . Automated and instant CAPTCHA image solving, sign up to web sites > and make forum posts and blog comments without asking for help! > . Built in helper functions for easier page navigation and less > confusion. > . Numerous under the hood page tweaks designed to help screen reader > users. > . Visually Impaired users benefit from features such as high contrast > page viewing, link and focus highlighting, and more. > list end > > It is only available for the Firefox browser. If you have not used > Firefox, or used an old version, we highly recommend that you > Download Firefox version 3.5 > which is probably the most accessible, fast and overall best web > browser on the Internet. You won't regret it! > > On 7/26/11, Janelle Orlowski wrote: >> On 7/26/2011 5:51 PM, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> I get that message too, and, all I can do, is just wait until the >>> captcha >>> service is available--as you know, the captcha service works >>> remotely >>> with >>> other humans, not computers, and the humans or human that do this >>> solves >>> that captcha for you--yet, they don't even go into the website to >>> do >>> it--they just look at a .PNG file you upload. >>> I'm not sure how many people volunteer to do this, but when the >>> message >>> "captcha solution is unavailable," that means that, in my opinion, >>> no one >>> is >>> currently available to volunteer with captchas. >>> >>> Hope it makes sense. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On >>> Behalf >>> Of Brice Smith >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS >>> >>> Thanks for your thoughts, Humberto. Unfortunately, I'm not sure >>> sure >>> it's all that reliable. When I've logged into Solona all afternoon, >>> all I get is: >>> >>> "Captcha solution service unavailable." >>> >>> Brice >>> >>> On 7/26/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I use Solona, and it is quite usable. I find it quite convenient >>>> when >>> there >>>> is no audio captcha or the audio captcha is not working for me. I >>> recommend >>>> you try it. It works with all websites though there are rules >>>> which you >>> can >>>> read as well as sign up at this web site: www.solona.net >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On >>> Behalf >>>> Of Brice Smith >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:39 PM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Solving CAPTCHAS >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> How do you all fill in CAPTCHAS on websites? I'm required to use >>>> several different websites that require CAPTCHAS for work. In this >>>> situation, asking for sighted assistance is impractical. I've >>>> heard of >>>> services such as Solona, but are they quick and usable? >>>> >>>> Brice >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Brice Smith >>>> North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations >>>> Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >> I use webvisum to solve my cap tcha but you have to have fir fox. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 04:10:00 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:10:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] toshiba dvd drive problems In-Reply-To: <62D9C6B096CC44FE93BCB7F0B9F7B555@MARVINPC> References: <62D9C6B096CC44FE93BCB7F0B9F7B555@MARVINPC> Message-ID: hey I am not the best at this but since I see you may not have gotten any responses, have you tried to clean it? And if you decide to buy something online, some places will let you send in a money order. Do you not have a bank account at all? You can use a debit card but if your underage and have not gotten that far yet then I understand. I hope someone on here helps you out. On 7/27/11, Marvin Hunkin wrote: > hi. > i listen to a lot of audio books. > and my dvd drive is not working that great. > when i try to burn data cds, using express burn, windows media player, i get > an error, when trying to verify the burn. > and now, looks like one of my burned data cds, is jumping around, when i was > on my treadmill, and next to my jvc boom box. > so will have to copy the cd to my hard disk. > got some new cd -r, blank cds. > so, wondering, when my windows vista machine boots up, and looking to > upgrade to windows 7 professional on a toshiba a300 satellite psag4a - 2300, > model number 48059630q. > and the dvd spins up, but the cd or dvd, it tries to spins, but 80% of the > time, does not spin up. > so wondering, could my drive be diry, or the lazer out of alignment. > and i do not have a credit card or pay pal. > so how to fix this. > would a custom install of windows 7 professional, fix this dvd drive > problem. > have a matshita dvd ram drive. > marvin. > ps: please help me out if possible. > also, what usb or wireless usb headset is able to use, and where to purchase > in australia for a blind person? > and not the most delicate. > and how much is a student version of adobe cs5 creative suite and where to > purchase in australia or where could i get it free? > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 13:03:09 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:03:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Fwd: Presidential Proclamation--Anniversary of theAmericans with Disabilities Act Message-ID: <4e315e31.0372960a.2ebd.1678@mx.google.com> Hi all, This is a Presidential Proclamation regarding subminimum wages, written by President Obama. The attached proclamation is a PDF, so the text is pasted below the message. Dave, if you feel it is appropriate, please post this to the NFBNET-MEMBERS or NFBNET-MASTER list. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: Matt Roberts -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment Type: application/octet-stream Size: 297 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 13:26:04 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:26:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software Message-ID: <4e31638f.093c970a.2295.6bdd@mx.google.com> Hi=20Jewel, Yes,=20the=20Trekker=20allows=20you=20to=20do=20this=20by=20either=20record= ing=20a=20 landmark=20or=20searching=20for=20one.=20=20Let's=20you=20your=20example=20= for=20 instance,=20the=20local=20library.=20=20When=20you=20are=20at=20the=20libra= ry=20and=20 have=20your=20Trekker=20with=20you,=20hit=20the=20button=20in=20the=20middl= e=20with=20the=20 dot=20on=20it,=20that=20kind=20of=20looks=20like=20a=205=20on=20a=20telepho= ne=20keypad=20 (that's=20the=20only=20way=20I=20can=20describe=20it)=20and=20the=20Trekker= =20will=20say=20 "record=20landmark"=20and=20beep.=20=20At=20this=20point,=20you=20can=20say= =20 "library."=20Then=20wait=20for=20it=20to=20beep=20again=20and=20you've=20re= corded=20 your=20landmark!=20From=20then=20on,=20if=20you=20want=20to=20go=20to=20the= =20library,=20 you=20can=20press=20the=20go=20to=20button=20and=20select=20library,=20and= =20it=20will=20 give=20you=20instructions.=20=20You=20can=20also=20get=20guidance=20to=20la= ndmarks=20 that=20the=20Trekker=20picks=20up=20that=20are=20near=20where=20you=20are.= =20=20To=20do=20 this,=20hold=20down=20the=20where=20am=20I=20button=20and=20the=20Trekker=20= will=20beep=20 and=20say=20"what's=20around."=20You=20can=20navigate=20the=20places=20with= =20the=20 arrow=20keys,=20or=20do=20an=20extended=20search=20by=20hitting=20confirm.= =20=20If=20you=20 do=20an=20extended=20search,=20it=20will=20ask=20you=20to=20select=20a=20ca= tegory.=20=20Go=20 through=20these=20categories=20(food,=20transportation,=20landmark,=20etc.)= =20 with=20the=20arrow=20keys,=20and=20once=20you've=20found=20the=20category,= =20hit=20 confirm.=20=20It=20will=20then=20search=20and=20tell=20you=20how=20many=20i= tems=20it=20has=20 found=20in=20that=20category.=20=20Again,=20go=20through=20these=20items=20= with=20the=20 arrows=20and=20once=20you've=20found=20what=20you're=20looking=20for,=20hit= =20 confirm.=20=20Hit=20confirm=20again=20to=20start=20pedestrian=20instruction= s,=20or=20 press=20and=20hold=20confirm=20to=20start=20driving=20instructions.=20=20Ho= pe=20this=20 helps! =20Chris "A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit= ies=20motto) The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in= =20 Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How= ?=20Click=20 on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.= =20=20 Foundation. =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Jewel=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Ashley, =20Yes,=20the=20Trekker=20tells=20you=20the=20next=20intersection=20and=20t= he=20type=20of =20intersection.=20=20For=20example,=20it=20might=20say=20"Four-way=20inter= section, =20(parallel=20street=20name)=20crossing=20(perpendicular=20street=20name.)= "=20It =20might=20also=20say=20what=20streets=20are=20on=20each=20side=20of=20you.= =20=20I=20don't =20know=20about=20the=20Captain,=20though. =20=20Chris =20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abi= lities=20 motto) =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20= in =20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20= How?=20Click =20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute: =20www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.= N. =20Foundation. =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20=20wrote: =20=20Dear=20all, =20=20I'm=20considering=20getting=20a=20GPS=20system=20and=20wanted=20to=20= get=20people's =20=20opinions=20on=20which=20one=20to=20get.=20=20I=20am=20planning=20on=20= getting=20an =20iPhone,=20so =20=20if=20there=20is=20a=20GPS=20app,=20I'd=20love=20to=20hear=20about=20i= t.=20=20I'd=20also=20 love =20to =20=20hear=20from=20users=20of=20the=20TrekkerBreeze,=20MobileGeo,=20and=20= other =20similar=20GPS =20=20products=20and=20software. =20=20Thank=20you, =20=20Jewel =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20=20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= =20account =20info=20for =20=20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol =20loy%40gmail =20.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottn =20er%40gmail. =20com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma =20hb%40earthlink.net =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu =20sbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 13:27:36 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:27:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB facebook page? Message-ID: <4e3163eb.ca91ec0a.241a.342a@mx.google.com> Hi all, I've recently joined the Facebook world, and really like it! I have a question: does the NFB have some sort of Facebook page, a fan page, a group, or whatever? What about NABS? Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote From treyman19 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 17:13:10 2011 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:13:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software In-Reply-To: <4e31638f.093c970a.2295.6bdd@mx.google.com> References: <4e31638f.093c970a.2295.6bdd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi I am Trey Bradley I am selling a Trecker Breeze. You can contact me at the below contact information. treyman19 at gmail.com 219-577-2367 On 7/28/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Jewel, > > Yes, the Trekker allows you to do this by either recording a > landmark or searching for one. Let's you your example for > instance, the local library. When you are at the library and > have your Trekker with you, hit the button in the middle with the > dot on it, that kind of looks like a 5 on a telephone keypad > (that's the only way I can describe it) and the Trekker will say > "record landmark" and beep. At this point, you can say > "library." Then wait for it to beep again and you've recorded > your landmark! From then on, if you want to go to the library, > you can press the go to button and select library, and it will > give you instructions. You can also get guidance to landmarks > that the Trekker picks up that are near where you are. To do > this, hold down the where am I button and the Trekker will beep > and say "what's around." You can navigate the places with the > arrow keys, or do an extended search by hitting confirm. If you > do an extended search, it will ask you to select a category. Go > through these categories (food, transportation, landmark, etc.) > with the arrow keys, and once you've found the category, hit > confirm. It will then search and tell you how many items it has > found in that category. Again, go through these items with the > arrows and once you've found what you're looking for, hit > confirm. Hit confirm again to start pedestrian instructions, or > press and hold confirm to start driving instructions. Hope this > helps! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jewel To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:29:35 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software > > Does the Trekker allow you to mark locations (for example, say I > want > to mark the local library as alocation) and then plan routes to > that > location? Which GPS units or apps allow the user to plan a route > and > get step-by-step spoken directions? > > I know, lots of quetstons, but I'm boggled by the number and > variations of chioces. Someone mentioned there is a built-in GPS > in > the iPhone. how does that workk? Does it allow you to pinpoint > destinations and have it announce them as you pass, or does it > only do > pre-panned routes? Is it basically like the TomTom, but for > pedestrians, where you plug in th eaddress and it gives > turn-by-turn > directions? > > ~Jewel, who is full of questions today! > > On 7/25/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ashley, > > Yes, the Trekker tells you the next intersection and the type of > intersection. For example, it might say "Four-way intersection, > (parallel street name) crossing (perpendicular street name.)" It > might also say what streets are on each side of you. I don't > know about the Captain, though. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:50:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software > > Kat, > Where do you work? I'm temporarily at NLS. > Anyway, I am also thinking of a GPS: either the breeze or > Captain. > How accurate are they? I understand they tell you the upcoming > intersection. > Does it tell you about the intersection like whether it뭩 a > four way stop? > We can figure out some of that by analysis, but it would be nice > to have > that > info from the machine. When you program in routes, how often > will it speak > directions? Do both products allow you to > record landmarks? > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kat Bottner > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:53 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software > > Hello all, > I too am looking into getting a gps system at some point in the > nearer > future, and I'm not sure which one to get. > I'm currently borrowing the Kaptan Plus from work, and so far > I've not been > able to use it much due to it needing to be charge and today, it > took > forever to find gps signel, so in short, wasn't able to use it. > I'm not sure which is better the breeze or the Kaptan, I'd be > interested in > hearing responses from users of both, the pros, con, etc. I > look > forward to > hearing from some or all of you soon. > Thanks in advance, > Kat > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Patrick Molloy > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:36 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Products aned Software > > Jewel, > I use the Trekker Breeze. It's fairly easy to use, but you > really > can't rely on any GPS unit. I've noticed two main flaws with > the > Trekker Breeze. First, it announces landmarks when you are on > the same > street, not at the actual destination and/or landmark. Second, > if it's > a cloudy day, Trekker can get thrown off. (Cloud cover makes > connecting to GPS satellites difficult.) Other than that, > Trekker > Breeze is a good GPS if you already have the mobility skills. > Patrick > > On 7/24/11, Jewel wrote: > Dear all, > I'm considering getting a GPS system and wanted to get people's > opinions on which one to get. I am planning on getting an > iPhone, so > if there is a GPS app, I'd love to hear about it. I'd also > love > to > hear from users of the TrekkerBreeze, MobileGeo, and other > similar GPS > products and software. > > Thank you, > Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottn > er%40gmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > -- Roosevelt Bradley From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 23:31:14 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:31:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Braillenote] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? Message-ID: <4e31f165.216a650a.29e8.3841@mx.google.com> Braille is vital and I love using Braille to operate my BN! Just asking the question! * Smile! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Jasmine Kotsay , dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Date sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:40:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Braillenote] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? Hi Louise, I totally agree with you! I LOVE Braille, and I'll never quit using it. I love screen readers, too, but I'll never part with braille, even if computers and smart phones talk. ----- Original Message ----- From: crazy-shawty aka everything you're muther wanted you to be but you aintquite turned out like me? wrote: Hi all, I don't have a set opinion on this matter as of yet, but I'd like to initiate the discussion. I'm noticing a trend in the blindness technology field: PC's can do most everything a notetaker (BrailleNote, BrailleSense, PacMate, etc.) can do, with some obvious changes and differences, and in some cases can do and support more than the notetaker. This is also true with the ever-improving accessible smartphones and tablets: the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, (the semiaccessible) Android phones, the KNFB Reader, etc. Yes, the notetakers have built-in Braille displays, but you can also install a stand-alone Braille display on a computer to display what's on the screen, or you could just buy a screen reader (text-to-speech, not text-to-Braille) as a replacement for the Braille display... that is, if you think it is in fact a replacement for refreshable Braille. That's another question for all of you in this discussion. So, here's the question: with all the advancements and capabilities of a computer and screen readers or stand-alone refreshable Braille displays, is it worth it, in your opinion, to buy a notetaker anymore? What, given all the things a PC can do, is the real purpose of the notetakers now? I'd love to hear your thoughts! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehgcap at gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. 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To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 29 00:06:30 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:06:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Braillenote] notetakers: are they worth buyinganymore? In-Reply-To: <4e31f165.216a650a.29e8.3841@mx.google.com> References: <4e31f165.216a650a.29e8.3841@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5750ED598A884DC68A1322C9BCA8362B@OwnerPC> Chris, I love the BN for its built in display and portability and of course accessibility. Yes we have talking computers and now talking smart phones but they are not the same as a good accessible PDA such as the Braille Note. I think more would opt for the accessible PDA rather than a talking Ipad or Iphone if the notetakers were actually affordable. Even if you work, the average entry level salary is 35,000 and buying that 4k or 6k notetaker isn't very affortable. Some large employers and the government actually buy notetakers for their employees. But still many blind people's employers cannot afford that. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:31 PM To: Jasmine Kotsay ; crazy-shawty at ukfreeisp.co.uk ; dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Cc: braillenote at list.humanware.com ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; blindtlk at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Braillenote] notetakers: are they worth buyinganymore? Braille is vital and I love using Braille to operate my BN! Just asking the question! * Smile! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Jasmine Kotsay , dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Date sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:40:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Braillenote] notetakers: are they worth buying anymore? Hi Louise, I totally agree with you! I LOVE Braille, and I'll never quit using it. I love screen readers, too, but I'll never part with braille, even if computers and smart phones talk. ----- Original Message ----- From: crazy-shawty aka everything you're muther wanted you to be but you aintquite turned out like me? wrote: Hi all, I don't have a set opinion on this matter as of yet, but I'd like to initiate the discussion. I'm noticing a trend in the blindness technology field: PC's can do most everything a notetaker (BrailleNote, BrailleSense, PacMate, etc.) can do, with some obvious changes and differences, and in some cases can do and support more than the notetaker. This is also true with the ever-improving accessible smartphones and tablets: the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, (the semiaccessible) Android phones, the KNFB Reader, etc. Yes, the notetakers have built-in Braille displays, but you can also install a stand-alone Braille display on a computer to display what's on the screen, or you could just buy a screen reader (text-to-speech, not text-to-Braille) as a replacement for the Braille display... that is, if you think it is in fact a replacement for refreshable Braille. That's another question for all of you in this discussion. So, here's the question: with all the advancements and capabilities of a computer and screen readers or stand-alone refreshable Braille displays, is it worth it, in your opinion, to buy a notetaker anymore? What, given all the things a PC can do, is the real purpose of the notetakers now? I'd love to hear your thoughts! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehgcap at gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. 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To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Fri Jul 29 02:09:01 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] NFB facebook page? In-Reply-To: <4e3163eb.ca91ec0a.241a.342a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1742355754.38567.1311905341669.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello kris, i'am sooo glad that you decided to join the land of facebook. to answer tyour questions if nabs or the nfb has a fan opage or group and, yes they do! just search on facebook for the national federation of the blind and the national association of blind students and you will find it there for you to join! also, if you want to add me to facebook just search for me amy sabo and, you will find me there! take care and, i will talk to you soon! hugs, amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum To: Blind Talk list , NABS list Sent: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:27:36 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] NFB facebook page? Hi all, I've recently joined the Facebook world, and really like it! I have a question: does the NFB have some sort of Facebook page, a fan page, a group, or whatever? What about NABS? Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 02:38:10 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:38:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Braillenote] Yes, But ... Message-ID: <4e321d35.0724650a.7b40.3c81@mx.google.com> What are your thoughts on this post to the BrailleNote user list about HumanWare's Keysoft software? By the way, here is some translation of the acronyms that appear in this email: BTW: by the way, BN: BrailleNote. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: Sabahattin Gucukoglu Hello, I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed to work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an "error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in narrator, get a message that goes like this: "Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can check online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" and "go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what exactly is happening with JAWS and my instillation. Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS from my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost with reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Humberto -- Humberto Avila Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. From todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 29 06:33:32 2011 From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk (Todd Orlowski) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:33:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop Message-ID: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> uninstall jaws and reinstall. if you have installed jaws on more than four machines call Fs with your jaws serial number and they can unlock your activations again best of luck Todd Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone Humberto Avila wrote: >Hello, > >I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and >everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed to >work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an >"error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, >and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in >narrator, get a message that goes like this: >"Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can check >online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" and >"go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what exactly >is happening with JAWS and my instillation. > >Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS from >my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I >still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I >have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost with >reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest >version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. > >Thanks, >Humberto > > -- >Humberto Avila >Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 06:36:07 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:36:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop In-Reply-To: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> References: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> Message-ID: <510B1226FB0F4B58B9064BD25948DC23@HumbertoAvila> Will my system acept my license code and activation if I reinstall again? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd Orlowski Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop uninstall jaws and reinstall. if you have installed jaws on more than four machines call Fs with your jaws serial number and they can unlock your activations again best of luck Todd Sent from my U.S. CellularR Android-powered phone Humberto Avila wrote: >Hello, > >I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and >everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed to >work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an >"error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, >and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in >narrator, get a message that goes like this: >"Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can check >online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" and >"go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what exactly >is happening with JAWS and my instillation. > >Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS from >my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I >still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I >have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost with >reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest >version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. > >Thanks, >Humberto > > -- >Humberto Avila >Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yah oo.co.uk _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 29 08:15:51 2011 From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk (Todd Orlowski) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:15:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop Message-ID: yes it should Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone Humberto Avila wrote: >Will my system acept my license code and activation if I reinstall again? > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Todd Orlowski >Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:34 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > >uninstall jaws and reinstall. >if you have installed jaws on more than four machines call Fs with your jaws >serial number and they can unlock your activations again >best of luck >Todd >Sent from my U.S. CellularR Android-powered phone > >Humberto Avila wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and >>everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed to >>work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an >>"error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, >>and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in >>narrator, get a message that goes like this: >>"Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can check >>online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" >and >>"go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what exactly >>is happening with JAWS and my instillation. >> >>Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS from >>my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I >>still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I >>have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost with >>reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest >>version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. >> >>Thanks, >>Humberto >> >> -- >>Humberto Avila >>Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yah >oo.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Jul 29 18:33:43 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole Torcolini at Home) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:33:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Moving Files and folders on the Mac? Message-ID: <0F453416-22E4-4CB8-8C7B-ABF412F0AD49@wavecable.com> I know that this is a rather silly question, but how do you move files and folders on the Mac? The cut menu item is not available. Thanks, Nicole Sent from my iPhone From kimthurman at insightbb.com Fri Jul 29 23:52:20 2011 From: kimthurman at insightbb.com (Kimberly thurman) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:52:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Moving Files and folders on the Mac? In-Reply-To: <0F453416-22E4-4CB8-8C7B-ABF412F0AD49@wavecable.com> References: <0F453416-22E4-4CB8-8C7B-ABF412F0AD49@wavecable.com> Message-ID: NIcole, You can't move files and folders in Snow Leopard on the Mac unless you use a program called Move Addict. I think this is available in the app store. I don't know much about it, because I don't use it. I just copy the files, and then delete them from the folder I wanted to move them from. I think this is a safe guard by Apple to keep folks from losing data. I do hear that you can move files in Lion though. I have not upgraded to Lion yet. To copy and paste you press command C and then command V to paste. To move, you type command C to copy and command/option/V to paste. The files will then be deleted from their original folder and be placed in the new one. hth On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Nicole Torcolini at Home wrote: > I know that this is a rather silly question, but how do you move files and folders on the Mac? The cut menu item is not available. > > Thanks, > Nicole > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insightbb.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Sat Jul 30 02:31:58 2011 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:31:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember, you can visit the special tech back-up support of the YB Resourceful Consulting toolbox page at: http://ybresourcefulconsultingtalents.com/ You can book a slot for consulting help under the special tech page. Thank you and we look forward at helping you with your technical issues. > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:15:51 -0500 > From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > yes it should > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone > > Humberto Avila wrote: > > >Will my system acept my license code and activation if I reinstall again? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > >Of Todd Orlowski > >Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:34 PM > >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > > >uninstall jaws and reinstall. > >if you have installed jaws on more than four machines call Fs with your jaws > >serial number and they can unlock your activations again > >best of luck > >Todd > >Sent from my U.S. CellularR Android-powered phone > > > >Humberto Avila wrote: > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and > >>everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed to > >>work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an > >>"error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, > >>and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in > >>narrator, get a message that goes like this: > >>"Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can check > >>online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" > >and > >>"go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what exactly > >>is happening with JAWS and my instillation. > >> > >>Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS from > >>my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I > >>still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I > >>have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost with > >>reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest > >>version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Humberto > >> > >> -- > >>Humberto Avila > >>Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yah > >oo.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > >%40gmail.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Sat Jul 30 02:33:14 2011 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:33:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop In-Reply-To: <510B1226FB0F4B58B9064BD25948DC23@HumbertoAvila> References: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com>, <510B1226FB0F4B58B9064BD25948DC23@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Remember, you can visit the special tech back-up support of the YB Resourceful Consulting toolbox page at: http://ybresourcefulconsultingtalents.com/ You can book a slot for consulting help under the special tech page. Thank you and we look forward at helping you with your technical issues. > From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:36:07 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > Will my system acept my license code and activation if I reinstall again? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Todd Orlowski > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > uninstall jaws and reinstall. > if you have installed jaws on more than four machines call Fs with your jaws > serial number and they can unlock your activations again > best of luck > Todd > Sent from my U.S. CellularR Android-powered phone > > Humberto Avila wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and > >everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed to > >work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an > >"error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, > >and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in > >narrator, get a message that goes like this: > >"Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can check > >online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" > and > >"go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what exactly > >is happening with JAWS and my instillation. > > > >Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS from > >my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I > >still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I > >have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost with > >reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest > >version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > >Humberto > > > > -- > >Humberto Avila > >Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yah > oo.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Sat Jul 30 02:34:25 2011 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:34:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop In-Reply-To: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> References: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> Message-ID: Remember, you can visit the special tech back-up support of the YB Resourceful Consulting toolbox page at: http://ybresourcefulconsultingtalents.com/ You can book a slot for consulting help under the special tech page. Thank you and we look forward at helping you with your technical issues. > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:33:32 -0500 > From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > uninstall jaws and reinstall. > if you have installed jaws on more than four machines call Fs with your jaws serial number and they can unlock your activations again > best of luck > Todd > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone > > Humberto Avila wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and > >everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed to > >work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an > >"error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, > >and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in > >narrator, get a message that goes like this: > >"Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can check > >online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" and > >"go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what exactly > >is happening with JAWS and my instillation. > > > >Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS from > >my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I > >still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I > >have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost with > >reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest > >version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > >Humberto > > > > -- > >Humberto Avila > >Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Sat Jul 30 02:36:07 2011 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:36:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember, you can visit the special tech back-up support of the YB Resourceful Consulting toolbox page at: http://ybresourcefulconsultingtalents.com/ You can book a slot for consulting help under the special tech page. Thank you and we look forward at helping you with your technical issues. > From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindtlk at nfbnet.org > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:02:41 -0700 > CC: dmehlenbacher at yahoo.com > Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > Hello, > > I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and > everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed to > work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an > "error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, > and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in > narrator, get a message that goes like this: > "Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can check > online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" and > "go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what exactly > is happening with JAWS and my instillation. > > Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS from > my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I > still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I > have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost with > reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest > version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. > > Thanks, > Humberto > > -- > Humberto Avila > Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 02:50:29 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:50:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop Message-ID: <4e33719a.02aaec0a.49d5.120e@mx.google.com> William, Would you mind not putting the same message advertising your company after every email about this problem? I understand advertising your company, but please refrain from cluttering people's Inboxes too much. Thanks! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: wmodnl wmodnl , References: <0F453416-22E4-4CB8-8C7B-ABF412F0AD49@wavecable.com> Message-ID: hey where are you trying to move them? On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Nicole Torcolini at Home wrote: > I know that this is a rather silly question, but how do you move files and folders on the Mac? The cut menu item is not available. > > Thanks, > Nicole > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aaatlantic%40aol.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 03:20:27 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:20:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop In-Reply-To: <4e33719a.02aaec0a.49d5.120e@mx.google.com> References: <4e33719a.02aaec0a.49d5.120e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I actually got that message three times, containing that same string of letters and words. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; blindtlk at nfbnet.org Cc: dmehlenbacher at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop William, Would you mind not putting the same message advertising your company after every email about this problem? I understand advertising your company, but please refrain from cluttering people's Inboxes too much. Thanks! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: wmodnl wmodnl , Although this is in the UK, it might help many people be more aware of discrimination on the basis of disability. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: Holly References: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> Message-ID: <936CE3A219654DCAAC202B6F9D979B1F@OwnerPC> Gosh, this message came through three times! I hope the sender did not actually send it that much. -----Original Message----- From: wmodnl wmodnl Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:34 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop Remember, you can visit the special tech back-up support of the YB Resourceful Consulting toolbox page at: http://ybresourcefulconsultingtalents.com/ You can book a slot for consulting help under the special tech page. Thank you and we look forward at helping you with your technical issues. > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:33:32 -0500 > From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > uninstall jaws and reinstall. > if you have installed jaws on more than four machines call Fs with your > jaws serial number and they can unlock your activations again > best of luck > Todd > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone > > Humberto Avila wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and > >everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed > >to > >work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an > >"error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, > >and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in > >narrator, get a message that goes like this: > >"Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can > >check > >online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" > >and > >"go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what > >exactly > >is happening with JAWS and my instillation. > > > >Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS > >from > >my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I > >still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I > >have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost > >with > >reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest > >version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > >Humberto > > > > -- > >Humberto Avila > >Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From roger at roger.ca Sun Jul 31 02:08:19 2011 From: roger at roger.ca (roger at roger.ca) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:08:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] preparing for the LSAT In-Reply-To: <936CE3A219654DCAAC202B6F9D979B1F@OwnerPC> References: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> <936CE3A219654DCAAC202B6F9D979B1F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello, I'm new to this e-mail list. I'm interested in applying to law school. I'm looking for any website or resources that you many know about to assist blind students prepare for the LSAT. Most of the info that I've come across involves strategies of drawing diagrams to succeed in the logic games on the LSAT. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. If you are a current law student, I'd really like to chat with you. Thanks in advance. God bless, Roger Khouri From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 03:03:23 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:03:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] preparing for the LSAT In-Reply-To: References: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> <936CE3A219654DCAAC202B6F9D979B1F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Roger, My name is Patrick Molloy. Like you, I'm interested in applying to law school down the road. If you go to www.bookshare.org and type "LSAT prep" in the search box, you'll find several good books of practice questions. As to the drawing diagrams, I had heard something similar to what you heard. After looking at a few questions, I determined that it is possible to figure them out by just writing out the clues and the conditions. Now, this may not work for every question. Or it may not work for you, depending on how you approach questions like those found in the logic games. Anyway, I hope this was somewhat helpful for you. Patrick On 7/30/11, roger at roger.ca wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to this e-mail list. I'm interested in applying to law school. > I'm looking for any website or resources that you many know about to > assist blind students prepare for the LSAT. Most of the info that I've > come across involves strategies of drawing diagrams to succeed in the > logic games on the LSAT. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. > > If you are a current law student, I'd really like to chat with you. > > Thanks in advance. > God bless, > Roger Khouri > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From wmodnl at hotmail.com Sun Jul 31 05:01:48 2011 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 01:01:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop In-Reply-To: <936CE3A219654DCAAC202B6F9D979B1F@OwnerPC> References: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com>, , <936CE3A219654DCAAC202B6F9D979B1F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: No, I did not sent it 3 times. I have had this happen with other messages. I must have hit the refresh button when the computer said that the page could not be loaded. It ended up sending the message multiple times. You are not the first to expearience this within the past few days. Sorry about this. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. -William- > From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 21:20:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > Gosh, this message came through three times! I hope the sender did not > actually send it that much. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wmodnl wmodnl > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:34 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > > Remember, you can visit the special tech back-up support of the YB > Resourceful Consulting toolbox page at: > http://ybresourcefulconsultingtalents.com/ > You can book a slot for consulting help under the special tech page. > Thank you and we look forward at helping you with your technical issues. > > > > > > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:33:32 -0500 > > From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop > > > > uninstall jaws and reinstall. > > if you have installed jaws on more than four machines call Fs with your > > jaws serial number and they can unlock your activations again > > best of luck > > Todd > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone > > > > Humberto Avila wrote: > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and > > >everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed > > >to > > >work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an > > >"error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, > > >and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in > > >narrator, get a message that goes like this: > > >"Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can > > >check > > >online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" > > >and > > >"go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what > > >exactly > > >is happening with JAWS and my instillation. > > > > > >Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS > > >from > > >my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I > > >still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I > > >have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost > > >with > > >reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest > > >version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Humberto > > > > > > -- > > >Humberto Avila > > >Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >nabs-l mailing list > > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > >nabs-l: > > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 06:54:20 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:54:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop In-Reply-To: References: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> <936CE3A219654DCAAC202B6F9D979B1F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20110731065420.GI13470@yumi.bluecherry.net> Duplicates are caused either by the sender having the same message go out with different Message-Id: headers (one of the hidden headers on an email that you don’t normally see with most mail programs) or by the list software thinking it hasn’t yet successfully sent you a copy of the message and trying again. The latter appears to have happened in the case of William’s message, so it’s not his doing. Gmail and a few other services will not save duplicate messages that have the same Message-Id:, which cuts down on duplicates from mailing lists a lot. This is a problem, however, because sometimes two messages can show up with the same Message-Id: that are not actually the same message. In theory, that never happens. In practice, however, it does. In fact, it happens every time you send someone an email whilst also sending it to a mailing list to which they subscribe. They ought to get a copy of the message from each, but the message will have the same Message-Id: from both sources. Just that one message will pass through the mailing list software and be altered by it—list footer and additional headers added, that sort of things. I actually go to significant lengths to ensure that Gmail does not see a copy of messages I send to the list before they come back to it from the list. If I didn’t, I’d never know if my own messages were reaching the list or not because the list’s copy would be considered a duplicate and casually deleted. It’s quite annoying. Joseph - KF7QZC On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 01:01:48AM -0400, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: > >No, I did not sent it 3 times. I have had this happen with other messages. I must have hit the refresh button when the computer said that the page could not be loaded. It ended up sending the message multiple times. You are not the first to expearience this within the past few days. Sorry about this. >Enjoy the rest of your weekend. >-William- > > > >> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 21:20:39 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop >> >> Gosh, this message came through three times! I hope the sender did not >> actually send it that much. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wmodnl wmodnl >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:34 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop >> >> >> Remember, you can visit the special tech back-up support of the YB >> Resourceful Consulting toolbox page at: >> http://ybresourcefulconsultingtalents.com/ >> You can book a slot for consulting help under the special tech page. >> Thank you and we look forward at helping you with your technical issues. >> >> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:33:32 -0500 >> > From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk >> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS problem with new laptop >> > >> > uninstall jaws and reinstall. >> > if you have installed jaws on more than four machines call Fs with your >> > jaws serial number and they can unlock your activations again >> > best of luck >> > Todd >> > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android-powered phone >> > >> > Humberto Avila wrote: >> > >> > >Hello, >> > > >> > >I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and >> > >everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed >> > >to >> > >work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an >> > >"error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, >> > >and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in >> > >narrator, get a message that goes like this: >> > >"Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can >> > >check >> > >online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" >> > >and >> > >"go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what >> > >exactly >> > >is happening with JAWS and my instillation. >> > > >> > >Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS >> > >from >> > >my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I >> > >still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I >> > >have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost >> > >with >> > >reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest >> > >version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. >> > > >> > >Thanks, >> > >Humberto >> > > >> > > -- >> > >Humberto Avila >> > >Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. >> > > >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >nabs-l mailing list >> > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > >nabs-l: >> > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 14:51:42 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:51:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] preparing for the LSAT Message-ID: <4e356c24.8a63340a.2259.6352@mx.google.com> Hi Roger, While I don't believe it's accessible yet (I haven't tried it,) the NFB recently won a lawsuit with the Law School Admissions Council (LSAC) that administers the LSAT, on the accessibility of their Web site. If I'm right, the agreement was that the site would be accessible by September 1st. I would also suggest joining our Blind Law list to get ideas from both law students and practicing lawyers. Go to www.nfbnet.org and look for Blind Law in the list of NFB-NET lists. Hope this helps! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: roger at roger.ca To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Ok, thanks for letting us know, William! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: wmodnl wmodnl wrote: Hello, I recently got a new laptop running windows 7 64-bit. I set it up and everything, and then I installed my JAWS software and everything seemed to work fine. Suddenly, once I restarted my laptop, it was coming with an "error reporting" message and it would not start. So--my laptop boots up, and it starts everything but then I, according to the windows built-in narrator, get a message that goes like this: "Application file for JAWS: this program stopped working. windows can check online to see about a solution." there were two buttons, "close program" and "go online for a solution and close program" but I don't know what exactly is happening with JAWS and my instillation. Now I have a question: if I ever want to uninstall and reinstall JAWS from my same installation and activation CD, does that kill my license? Can I still enter and activate my license, or does that delete it forever? Do I have to get another license? I'm really afraid that my license is lost with reinstallation and that I'd have to acquire another. It is the latest version of JAWS that I'm using. any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Humberto -- Humberto Avila Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlo wski%40yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40 hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40 hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 15:23:22 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:23:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype and JAWS Message-ID: <4e357390.146cdc0a.61cb.3c30@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, I've gotten Skype recently and am still trying to get used to it with JAWS 12. With all the blind people who use Skype, I can only assume that Skype is accessible (although it doesn't look that way to me) and I'm missing keystrokes. I'm using Windows 7 on an HP laptop. So, can someone teach me how to use Skype with JAWS or know of a podcast or something that would help me use it? For example, how do I answer calls, make calls, and do that kind of thing? If this would be better to answer off list, you can email me at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. Thanks! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 15:56:00 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook Message-ID: <4e357b37.43c4e00a.6832.00ed@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? Thanks! Here's the message: Warning: Page has Expired The page you requested was created using information you submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically resubmit your information for you. To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the Refresh button. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 16:20:20 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:20:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook In-Reply-To: <4e357b37.43c4e00a.6832.00ed@mx.google.com> References: <4e357b37.43c4e00a.6832.00ed@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and you'll be fine. On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command > on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? > Thanks! Here's the message: > > Warning: Page has Expired > The page you requested was created using information you > submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a > security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically > resubmit your information for you. > To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the > Refresh button. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 16:35:48 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:35:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook In-Reply-To: <4e357b37.43c4e00a.6832.00ed@mx.google.com> References: <4e357b37.43c4e00a.6832.00ed@mx.google.com> Message-ID: How strange. That hasn't happened to me. I don't know what that message means if you aren't trying to submit information all the time on Facebook mobile unless you type your status or comment in their respective edit boxes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:56 AM To: BrailleNote list; Josh Gregory; NABS list Subject: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook Hi everyone, I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? Thanks! Here's the message: Warning: Page has Expired The page you requested was created using information you submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically resubmit your information for you. To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the Refresh button. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From aubielynn at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 18:03:42 2011 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:03:42 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook In-Reply-To: References: <4e357b37.43c4e00a.6832.00ed@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001901cc4fac$306534d0$912f9e70$@com> Exactly what I was going to suggest. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and you'll be fine. On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command > on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? > Thanks! Here's the message: > > Warning: Page has Expired > The page you requested was created using information you > submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a > security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically > resubmit your information for you. > To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the > Refresh button. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gma il.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co m From bfs1206 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 18:39:21 2011 From: bfs1206 at gmail.com (Brianna Scerenscko) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:39:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler Message-ID: Hello NABS Members, My name is Brianna. I will be starting my first semester at Flagler in 3 weeks. I submitted justifications for technology to my Division Of Blind Services office back in April. Just the other day I get an e mail from my counciler saying that I have been apruved for technology and funding of my Learning Ally membership. I thought I had already been apruved and the technology had already been ordered. My counciler can't transfer my case to the office in Jacksonville until all my technology has been received and she can't tell me when that will be. I need to meet with the office in Jacksonville soon to meet my counciler and O&M instructore, and also find out if DBS will still cover some of the cost of going to college and also for them to find me a reader. DBS can't tell me when my case will be transfered either. What should I do? School starts in 3 weeks. Thank You Brianna On 7/31/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: > Exactly what I was going to suggest. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook > > Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and you'll be > fine. > > On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command >> on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? >> Thanks! Here's the message: >> >> Warning: Page has Expired >> The page you requested was created using information you >> submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a >> security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically >> resubmit your information for you. >> To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the >> Refresh button. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gma > il.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%40gmail.com > -- Brianna Scerenscko From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 18:57:27 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:57:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler Message-ID: <4e35a599.4624440a.3e27.06a4@mx.google.com> Hey, Brianna. I had problems with DBS not sending me to CCB till I screamed at them and made them do it. I was the squeaky wheel that got the grease, pretty much. I'm having a problem with CO DVR acting slow, and I just came down with something serious and have to go to the doctor. My boyffriend says he'll meet me at the bus stop and we'll go together. It'll be nice because then I can goo to a doctor. But I need a checkup because I think I have a serious infection. Worst off, I might not go to school till January becausee I have no money to pay for books and school. DVR just thought of assigning me a counselor, but I don't know where they are, and I moved from one place to another. It's kind of weird because I sort of know the Denver area, but I don't travel too often. So I'm in your shoes, but worse. My transfer to the office in Tallahassee from the office in Brevard County was quick, but there's a problem. I don't know if Florida will allow me to go to school here in CO. So anyone give us both tips and advice? Anybody got any tips? Thanks. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Brianna Scerenscko wrote: Exactly what I was going to suggest. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and you'll be fine. On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? Thanks! Here's the message: Warning: Page has Expired The page you requested was created using information you submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically resubmit your information for you. To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the Refresh button. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz ydude%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 0gmail.com -- Brianna Scerenscko _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 31 20:31:10 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:31:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler In-Reply-To: <4e35a599.4624440a.3e27.06a4@mx.google.com> References: <4e35a599.4624440a.3e27.06a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Beth, Hope you get well! Do you have medicade? I'm confused. Do you live in Denver and want to go to school there? It sounds like your VR case is in florida though. So are you saying Florida VR is paying for your out of state tuition in Co? Good luck with your plans. Oh and going out of state to any center is tough. If your state has an in state center, they want that one, even if you select another better run traditional center. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler Hey, Brianna. I had problems with DBS not sending me to CCB till I screamed at them and made them do it. I was the squeaky wheel that got the grease, pretty much. I'm having a problem with CO DVR acting slow, and I just came down with something serious and have to go to the doctor. My boyffriend says he'll meet me at the bus stop and we'll go together. It'll be nice because then I can goo to a doctor. But I need a checkup because I think I have a serious infection. Worst off, I might not go to school till January becausee I have no money to pay for books and school. DVR just thought of assigning me a counselor, but I don't know where they are, and I moved from one place to another. It's kind of weird because I sort of know the Denver area, but I don't travel too often. So I'm in your shoes, but worse. My transfer to the office in Tallahassee from the office in Brevard County was quick, but there's a problem. I don't know if Florida will allow me to go to school here in CO. So anyone give us both tips and advice? Anybody got any tips? Thanks. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Brianna Scerenscko wrote: Exactly what I was going to suggest. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and you'll be fine. On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? Thanks! Here's the message: Warning: Page has Expired The page you requested was created using information you submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically resubmit your information for you. To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the Refresh button. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz ydude%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 0gmail.com -- Brianna Scerenscko _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 21:31:59 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:31:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler Message-ID: <4e35c9d1.0123440a.2b7d.4f15@mx.google.com> I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, and a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next week or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO because Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. Thanks a bunch. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: wrote: Exactly what I was going to suggest. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and you'll be fine. On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? Thanks! Here's the message: Warning: Page has Expired The page you requested was created using information you submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically resubmit your information for you. To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the Refresh button. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz ydude%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 0gmail.com -- Brianna Scerenscko _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 31 21:53:20 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:53:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler In-Reply-To: <4e35c9d1.0123440a.2b7d.4f15@mx.google.com> References: <4e35c9d1.0123440a.2b7d.4f15@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Beth, I just reread your message and you said CO DVR; I missed that when hearing with jaws somehow; probably since its one syllable. Yes you should have a case in CO where you reside. I'd say if they move too slow, talk to a supervisor of the office. Also document your communication. I think there should be a VR manual of rights and responsibilities for each state. Read it and find out their procedures for opening cases; it should outline the appropriate time line. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, and a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next week or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO because Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. Thanks a bunch. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: wrote: Exactly what I was going to suggest. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and you'll be fine. On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? Thanks! Here's the message: Warning: Page has Expired The page you requested was created using information you submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically resubmit your information for you. To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the Refresh button. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz ydude%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 0gmail.com -- Brianna Scerenscko _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Sun Jul 31 23:16:46 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 23:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Skype and JAWS In-Reply-To: <4e357390.146cdc0a.61cb.3c30@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1921434340.121412.1312154206876.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello chris, i'am so glad that you decided to get on the bandwagon and get skype. it's awesome... it's pretty accessible with jfw and, i use jfw 12. but, i believe that there are scripts for skype for jaws. i believe to get them is to do a google search for scripts for skype for jaws and, that there were you will find them. anyway, i hope this is helpful for you... btw, i'am also on skype so if you want to add me my skype name is amazing.aim so we can chat! take care and, i will talk to you soon. hugs, amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum To: NABS list Sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:23:22 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Skype and JAWS Hi everyone, I've gotten Skype recently and am still trying to get used to it with JAWS 12. With all the blind people who use Skype, I can only assume that Skype is accessible (although it doesn't look that way to me) and I'm missing keystrokes. I'm using Windows 7 on an HP laptop. So, can someone teach me how to use Skype with JAWS or know of a podcast or something that would help me use it? For example, how do I answer calls, make calls, and do that kind of thing? If this would be better to answer off list, you can email me at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. Thanks! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. 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