[nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! andGoing Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Wed Jul 20 22:16:51 UTC 2011 

And=20I=20like=20that!=20Bring=20on=20the=20political=20incorrectness!=20:)=
=20The=20
political=20correctness=20is=20Dr.=20=20Maurer's=20job,=20right?=20:)

=20Chris

"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit=
ies=20motto)

The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in=
=20
Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How=
?=20Click=20
on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20
www.icanfoundation.info=20or=20like=20us=20on=20Facebook=20at=20I=20C.A.N.=
=20=20
Foundation.



=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Carly=20Mihalakis=20<carlymih at earthlink.net
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20
mailing=20list=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Tue,=2019=20Jul=202011=2023:17:00=20-0700
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Fwd:=20Reminder-Upcoming=20Seminars:=20NO=20COO=
K=20
Cooking!=20andGoing=20Ape=20for=20Apps-Hot=20New=20Accessible=20Apps=20for=
=20Your=20
iDevice




Hi,=20David,

'Couldn't=20agree=20more!=20I=20was=20horrified=20to=20see=20how,
comments=20I=20made,=20caused=20Joseph=20to=20remind=20us=20that,
he=20is=20not=20known=20for=20his=20political=20correctness,
particularly=20on=20an=20NFB=20List.=20=20Politically=20correct?
Not=20I!
for=20today,
Car=20I=20PM=207/19/2011,=20David=20Dodge=20wrote:
Hello=20Everyone,
I=20think=20it=20is=20really=20important=20that=20we=20have=20discussions=20=
like=20
this.=20=20Whether
or=20not=20you=20believe=20that=20their=20is=20anything=20wrong=20with=20th=
is=20
seminar,=20putting
the=20question=20out=20there=20makes=20us=20question=20our=20belief=20syste=
ms=20and=20
think=20more
deeply=20about=20what=20we=20are=20doing.=20=20The=20reason=20this=20is=20i=
mportant=20is=20
so=20that=20we
can=20learn=20more,=20grow,=20and=20change=20our=20viewpoints=20if=20need=20=
be.

As=20ideological=20as=20that=20sounds,=20my=20point=20is=20we=20should=20fe=
el=20
comfortable=20asking
the=20list=20questions=20and=20polling=20responses.=20=20If=20we=20start=20=
to=20
question=20what=20we
can=20and=20can't=20say,=20should=20and=20shouldn't=20post,=20we=20will=20b=
egin=20to=20
lose=20some=20of
the=20value.=20=20I=20am=20now=20finished=20rambling!=20Have=20a=20good=20o=
ne=20all.

David
----------------------------------
David=20Dodge
Doctoral=20Degree=20Granting=20Institutions=20Rep.
State=20University=20of=20New=20York=20Student=20Assembly
English=20Major
University=20at=20Buffalo
306=20Clemens=20Hall
Buffalo,=20NY=2014260
daviddod at buffalo.edu


On=20Wed,=20Jul=2020,=202011=20at=201:32=20AM,=20T.=20=20Joseph=20Carter
<carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>wrote:

=20Carly,

=20Are=20you=20saying=20that=20we=20may=20not=20dare=20to=20ask=20certain=20=
questions=20if=20
they=20may
=20upset=20the=20sighted=20public,=20even=20here=20amongst=20our=20blind=20=
peers?=20=20If=20
so,=20I
=20emphatically=20disagree,=20but=20I=20am=20not=20sure=20I=20am=20understa=
nding=20you=20
correctly.

=20I=20asked=20an=20honest=20question=20of=20the=20members=20of=20the=20NAB=
S=20list,=20as=20
to=20whether
=20or=20not=20this=20seminar=20by=20Hadley=97an=20organization=20that=20dea=
ls=20in=20
blindness=20and
=20nothing=20but=97seemed=20condescending=20at=20all=20to
=20anyone=20else.=20=20It=20did=20to=20me,=20but=20I
=20acknowledged=20in=20the=20asking=20that=20I=92m=20basically=20cynical=20=
and=20jaded=20
about=20such
=20things.

=20I=20accept=20that=20the=20majority=20opinion=20is=20that=20no,=20there=92=
s=20nothing=20
wrong=20with
=20Hadley=92s=20seminar.=20=20But=20I=20make=20no=20apology=20whatsoever=20=
for=20asking=20
the=20question
=20on=20an=20NFB=20list.

=20The=20missing=20of=20the=20NFB=20is=20to=20attain=20equality=20for=20the=
=20blind=20by=20
giving=20us=20the
=20means=20to=20be=20regarded=20as=20any=20other=20non-blind=20person,=20an=
d=20then=20
treating=20us
=20accordingly.=20=20We=20cannot=20do=20that=20if,=20even=20within=20our=20=
own=20
organization,=20we
=20cannot=20discuss=20whether=20or=20not=20those=20who
=20provide=20us=20with=20services=20are=20working
=20toward=20that=20goal=20or=20against=20it.

=20Some=20of=20us=20are=20perhaps=20overly=20sensitive=20to=20these=20issue=
s,=20and=20I=20
certainly
=20count=20myself=20among=20them.=20=20But=20that=92s=20why=20I=20asked=20t=
he=20question=20
here,=20on=20an
=20NFB=20list,=20to=20other=20generally=20like-minded=20blind=20people.=20=
=20I=20did=20
not=20put=20the
=20question=20out=20to=20the=20sighted=20public,=20who=20generally=20wouldn=
=92t=20be=20
expected=20to
=20understand=20what=20the=20big=20deal=20is=20(even=20my=20own=20sighted=20=
friends=20and=20
loved=20ones
=20wouldn=92t=20get=20it!)

=20If=20we=20start=20mincing=20words=20here,=20then=20the=20next=20time=20s=
ome=20ignorant=20
sightie
=20(yes,=20I=20said=20ignorant=20sightie)=20comes=20up=20to=20one=20of=20us=
=20as=20we=92re=20
walking=20down
=20the=20street=20and=20says,=20"You=92re=20doing=20SUCH=20A
=20GOOD=20JOB,"=20we=92re=20likely=20to=20get=20the
=20idea=20that=20we=20should=20accept=20the=20"compliment"=20we=92re=20bein=
g=20given,=20
despite=20the
=20fact=20that=20walking=20is=20a=20task=20most=20two=20year=20olds=20have=
=20largely=20
mastered.=20=20How
=20else=20would=20we=20know=20it=20was=20acceptable=20to
=20consider=20that=20a=20sign=20of=20ignorance=20we
=20should=20correct=20if=20we=20can?=20=20Or=20that=20it=20was
=20okay=20to=20maybe=20be=20a=20little=20offended
=20ourselves=20that=20this=20is=20what=20we=20are=20reduced=20to=20in=20tha=
t=20person=92s=20
estimation?

=20I=92m=20not=20generally=20known=20for=20political=20correctness.=20=20I=
=92m=20
certainly=20not=20known
=20for=20it=20regarding=20blindness=20on=20NFB=20mailing=20lists.=20=20I=20=
do=20not=20
expect=20that=20will
=20change=20in=20the=20near=20future.

=20Joseph=20-=20KF7QZC


=20On=20Tue,=20Jul=2019,=202011=20at=2005:37:29PM=20-0700,=20Carly=20Mihala=
kis=20Esq.=20=20
wrote:



=20Hi,=20Joseph,

=20'Seems=20to=20me,=20a=20response=20such=20as=20that=20elicited=20by=20an=
=20idea=20of=20
no-cook
=20recipes=20was,=20in=20a=20word=20a=20little=20uncalled=20for,=20as=20the=
re,=20
contained=20in=20the
=20helpful=20sharing=20of=20cookless=20recipes=20no=20mention=20of=20blindn=
ess=20
whatsoever.
=20Furthermore,=20I=20believe=20there=20are=20=20even=20occasions=20in=20wh=
ich=20,=20
no-cook=20food
=20preparation=20is=20in=20order=20and,=20actually=20preparing=20a=20dish=20=
would=20be
=20inappropriate.

=20To=20Alienate=20both=20main=20stream=20folk,=20as=20well=20as=20other=20=
populations=20
will=20do
=20actual=20wonders=20for=20our=20social=20=20ambiguities,=20doncha=20think=
?
=20Please,=20easy=20on=20the=20over=20reactions!
=20for=20today,
=20Car7/19/2011,=20bookwormahb at earthlink.net=20wrote:

=20Joeseph,=20Actually,=20I=20found=20this=20fine.=20=20I=20want=20to=20att=
end=20a=20hadley=20
webinar
=20=20but=20that=20time=20doesn't=20work=20for=20me.=20=20Maybe
=20they=20are=20archived;=20the=20wording=20of
=20it=20says=20its=20summer=20and=20they=20want=20to=20talk=20about=20food=
=20prep=20that=20
doesn't
=20require=20a=20hot=20kitchen.=20=20Also=20it=20says=20whether
=20you=20are=20preparing=20for=20yourself
=20or=20to=20impress=20guests.=20=20So=20therefore=20they=20are
=20assuming=20that=20you=20will=20prepare
=20for=20yourself,=20family=20or=20friends;=20whatever=20you=20need=20to=20=
do.=20=20
Hadley=20targets
=20many=20many=20people=20including=20teachers=20of=20the=20blind=20and=20v=
isually=20
impaired;
=20newly=20blind=20adults=20and=20those=20blind=20from=20birth.=20=20I=20ta=
ke=20it=20that=20
this=20is=20an
=20overview=20of=20cooking=20ideas=20and=20recipies.=20=20Its=20probably=20=
something=20
basic=20that
=20most=20could=20follow=20from=20the=20novice=20cook=20to=20the=20advanced=
=20cook=20who=20
wants
=20something=20simple.=20=20I=20didn't=20find=20it=20offensive=20at=20all;=
=20I=20think=20we=20
read=20more
=20into=20things=20sometimes.=20=20It=20does=20say=20they=20will=20discuss=
=20tips=20for=20
people=20with
=20visual=20impairments;=20I=20know=20NFB=20people=20don't=20like=20adaptiv=
e=20
techniques
=20sometimes,=20so=20you=20can=20take=20it=20or=20leave=20it.=20=20But=20we=
=20do=20need=20
adaptive
=20techniques=20and=20a=20newly=20blind=20person=20may=20not=20know=20what=
=20to=20do.=20=20
Many=20blind
=20cooks=20use=20a=20tray=20or=20something=20to=20put
=20their=20=20pots=20and=20pans=20and=20bowls=20on=20while
=20preparing=20food=20so=20any=20spills=20fall=20on=20the=20tray=20and=20it=
s=20easier=20to=20
clean=20up.
=20Some=20blind=20people=20use=20liquid=20level=20indicators=20=20to=20know=
=20when=20
their=20cup=20is
=20full=20of=20the=20desired=20liquid.=20=20More=20often=20people=20use=20a=
=20finger=20to=20
fill=20the
=20bowl/cup=20or=20judge=20by=20sound.=20=20But=20for=20those=20who=20can't=
=20or=20don't=20
want=20to=20use
=20their=20finger,=20the=20liquid=20level=20indicator=20is=20an=20option.=20=
=20We=20often=20
use=20the
=20sense=20of=20touch=20instead=20of=20seeing=20to=20know=20the=20consisten=
cy=20of=20food=20
and=20keep
=20tabs=20on=20what=20we=20are=20doing.=20=20So=20those=20are=20adaptive=20=
techniques.=20=20
Anyone=20may
=20want=20simple=20cold=20food=20recipies;=20Hadley=20just=20decided=20to=20=
target=20it=20
to=20blind
=20people.=20=20However=20I=20do=20agree=20a=20sixty=20minute
=20seminar=20is=20too=20short=20to=20cover=20such
=20a=20topic.=20=20But=20I=20guess=20that=20is=20all=20the=20time=20they=20=
had.=20=20Well,=20
anyone=20who
=20attends=20can=20judge=20afterward.=20=20Ashley=20-----Original=20Message=
-----=20
From:=20T.
=20Joseph=20Carter=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20July=2019,=202011
=203:10=20PM=20To:=20National=20Association
=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20Subject:=20Re:
=20[nabs-l]=20Fwd:=20Reminder-Upcoming
=20Seminars:=20NO=20COOK=20Cooking!=20and=20Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps-Hot=20=
New=20
Accessible=20Apps
=20for=20Your=20iDevice=20I=E2=80=99m=20of=20two=20minds=20on=20this,=20per=
haps=20I=E2=80=99m=20being=20
overly
=20sensitive.=20=20First,=20there=E2=80=99s=20the=20notion=20of=20a=20semin=
ar=20for=20
preparing=20food
=20without=20cooking=20it.=20=20Where=20do=20I=20begin?=20=20Let=E2=80=99s=
=20start=20with=20the=20
seminar
=20itself:=20Most=20sighted=20people=20would=20never
=20expect=20a=20seminar=20to=20teach=20them=20how
=20to=20follow=20a=20recipe.=20=20Either=20you=20can=20or=20you
=20don=E2=80=99t=20have=20the=20requisite=20skills
=20to=20do=20it.=20=20If=20you=20don=E2=80=99t=20have=20the=20skills,=20I=E2=
=80=99m=20not=20sure=20how=20a=20
60=20minute
=20webcast=20is=20going=20to=20help=20you=20get=20them.=20=20A=20list=20of=
=20recipes=20should=20
suffice,
=20and=20indeed=20our=20own=20Braille=20Monitor
=20publishes=20recipes=20(though=20not=20often=20the
=20no-cooking=20variety)=20with=20the=20assumption
=20that=20fellow=20blind=20readers=20can=20follow
=20them=20if=20they=20are=20so=20inclined.=20=20Then=20there=E2=80=99s=20th=
e=20no=20cooking=20
aspect.
=20=20Inherently=20in=20this=20is=20the=20unavoidable
=20assumption=20that=20the=20blind=20cannot=20or
=20should=20not=20be=20cooking=20food.=20=20Any=20of=20you=20who
=20live=20alone=20doubtlessly=20have=20SOME
=20food=20prep=20skill,=20even=20if=20you=E2=80=99ve=20never
=20learned=20to=20"cook"=20as=20such,=20and=20your
=20skill=20mostly=20consists=20of=20using=20a=20microwave
=20and=20boiling=20water.=20=20But=20as=20I=20said,
=20perhaps=20I=20am=20being=20overly=20sensitive.=20=20The=20seminar=20form=
at=20could=20
allow=20for
=20suggestions=20for=20improving=20the=20recipes=20a=20bit
=20(in=20which=20case=20an=20hour=20seems=20too
=20short=20for=20more=20than=20maybe=20two=20or=20three=20recipes),=20so=20=
maybe=20
that=E2=80=99s=20what
=20they=E2=80=99ve=20got=20in=20mind.=20=20Possibly=20the
=20no-cook=20aspect=20has=20more=20to=20do=20with=20the
=20idea=20that=20it=E2=80=99s=20summer=20and=20you=20don=E2=80=99t
=20want=20to=20spend=20a=20lot=20of=20time=20in=20a=20hot
=20kitchen=97or=20=20that=20you=20would=20prefer=20cold
=20foods=20to=20hot=20ones=20at=20this=20time=20of=20the
=20year.=20=20Or=20perhaps=20they=20are=20targeting=20this=20to=20college=20=
students=20
who=20live=20on
=20campus=20and=20don=E2=80=99t=20have=20the=20means=20to=20cook
=20in=20any=20traditional=20way.=20=20Or=20maybe,
=20it=E2=80=99s=20because=20we=E2=80=99re=20blind.=20=20Joseph=20-=20KF7QZC=
=20On=20Tue,=20Jul=2019,=20
2011=20at
=2001:17:55PM=20-0500,=20David=20Andrews=20wrote:=20>=20>>=20>>Seminars at Had=
ley=20
Presents:
=20NO=20COOK=20Cooking!=20>>=20>>Date:=20Wednesday,=20July=2020,=202011

=20Time:=2010=20AM=20CDT,=2015:00=20GMT=20>>=20>>Keep=20your=20cool!=20It=20=
may=20be=20hot

=20outside,=20but=20no=20need=20to=20get=20out=20of=20the=20>>kitchen.=20=20=
There=20are=20
lots=20of=20NO
=20COOK=20recipes=20to=20choose=20from=20whether=20>>preparing=20a=20simple=
,=20fast=20
meal=20for
=20yourself=20or=20something=20to=20impress
=20guests.=20=20>>=20>>Panelists=20Patti=20Jacobson,=20Linn
=20Sorge=20and=20Goldie=20Tarr=20will=20discuss=20their

=20favorite=20NO=20COOK=20recipes,=20adding=20=C3=A2=80=9Ccool=C3=A2=80=C2=
=20=20fo=20=20food

=20preparation=20tips=20that=20>>work=20for=20the=20cook=20with=20a=20visua=
l=20
impairment.

Moderator=20Dawn=20Turco=20will=20add=20a=20few=20of=20her=20favorites=20as=
=20we

=20build=20a=20>>resource=20and=20recipe=20list=20during=20this=2060=20minu=
te=20
seminar.
=20Consider=20adding=20>>your=20favorite=20recipe,
=20too!=20>>=20>>Space=20in=20this=20seminar=20is
=20limited.=20=20Please=20only=20register=20if=20you=20know=20you=20are

=20available=20to=20attend=20so=20that=20others=20are=20not=20closed=20out.=
=20=20To

=20register=20for=20NO=20>>COOK=20Cooking!=20on=20July=2020,=20follow=20thi=
s=20link:


=20
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Seminars at Hadley

=20Presents:=20Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps-How=20New=20Accessible=20Apps=20for=
=20>>Your=20
iDevice
Date:=20Thursday,=20July=2021,=202011=20>>Time:
=206=20PM=20CDT,=2023:00=20GMT=20>>=20>>Apps=20for
=20money=20identification,=20apps=20for=20GPS,=20apps=20for=20bar=20code=20=
reading,=20
>>apps=20for
=20color=20identification,=20and=20apps=20for=20games.
=20If=20you=20have=20an=20idevice=20>>(iPhone,
=20iPad=20or=20iPod=20Touch),=20you=20are=20bombarded=20with=20thousands=20=
of=20apps=20
>>available
=20for=20your=20device.=20=20Are=20you=20overwhelmed=20with
=20the=20number=20of=20apps=20>>available=20for
=20your=20idevice?=20Do=20you=20want=20to=20know=20more
=20about=20the=20app=20before=20>>you=20download
=20it=20to=20your=20device,=20such=20as=20features=20and=20accessibility?=20=
Are

=20you=20confused=20about=20how=20to=20locate=20and=20download=20an=20app=20=
to=20your

=20idevice?=20>>=20>>Join=20Seminars at Hadley=20as=20Hadley=20Instructor=20Am=
y=20
Salmon=20and
=20Korey=20Singleton,=20>>Assistive=20Technology
=20Initiative=20Manager=20for=20George=20Mason
=20University=20>>provide=20a=20list=20of=20the=20top=20accessible=20apps=20=
for=20your=20
idevices,
=20explain=20how=20>>to=20check=20an=20app=20for=20accessibility=20and=20fe=
atures,=20
and=20provide
=20step-by-step=20>>instructions=20on=20how=20to=20locate=20and=20download=
=20an=20app=20
to=20your
=20idevice.=20=20>>=20>>This=2060=20minute=20open=20discussion=20seminar=20=
will=20be=20
moderated=20by
=20Hadley=20>>Outreach=20Coordinator=20Billy=20Brookshire.=20=20A=20questio=
n=20and=20
answer
=20session=20will

=20be=20included=20as=20part=20of=20the=20seminar.=20=20>>=20>>Space=20in=20=
this=20seminar=20
is

=20limited.=20=20Please=20only=20register=20if=20you=20know=20you=20are=20>=
>available=20
to=20attend
=20so=20that=20others=20are=20not=20closed=20out.=20=20To
=20register=20for=20>>Going=20Ape=20for=20Apps=20on
=20July=2021,=20follow=20this=20link:


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This=20message

=20was=20sent=20to=20Dandrews at visi.com=20from:=20>>The=20Hadley=20School=20=
for=20the=20
Blind=20|
=20700=20Elm=20St.=20=20|=20Winnetka,=20IL=2060093

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