[nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
Lea williams
leanicole1988 at gmail.com
Sun Jul 3 05:34:14 UTC 2011
This is what Freedomscientific website says.
Multi-user options are available for JAWS Professional and Standard
licenses, MAGic Professional licenses only, and all OpenBook licenses.
They may be purchased
in blocks of five seats in all cases. In the US, please call
1-800-444-4443 for pricing. International customers, please contact
your local distributor
for pricing.
Site License: Specifically designed for educational institutions,
public libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to better
the lives of the
visually impaired. The Site License may only be used at one designated
location.
District License: Also designed for educational institutions, public
libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to better the lives
of the visually
impaired. This license allows the institution to install the software
at more than one facility.
Enterprise License: Tailored to meet the needs of private businesses
and government agencies. The enterprise license may be installed in
multiple locations,
but may only be used on machines owned by the specified company or agency.
So your school would have to get a District License. My school allows
me to put a demo on any and all of the computers I wish. better than
nothing but not as great as having a full version.
What about using one of those thumb drive Jaws?
I need to look online on how that will work. I am going to take a
computer class in the fall and need to figure out about putting jaws
on a computer. My schools says that they only allow up to $250 per
student to spend on stuff for school if they are unable to purches it
themselves They did start to look in to getting my math and other
books in braille until i told them how much it would cost.
At least they thought about it!
I too face simmular problems that these two are facing. My college
uses math labs on the web that is not totally exsessible to blind
people. I have to have all my math read to me and is difficult at
times when I have to spend hours a week in the learning center as if I
am taking a whole other class that I am not getting credit for.
On 7/2/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> If anyone can help me find a good deal on a Pac Mate, with a 20 cell
> display, I'd appreciate it.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> As for jaws, sometimes classes are in computer labs or visit computer
>> labs.
>> Mine did so for freshman english.
>> You have a right to use the computer with jaws. If your school can only
>> place jaws on one computer, then they bought the wrong authorization key.
>> I don't know the specifics; FS could tell you. But I believe there is a
>> network license where jaws can be placed on multiple computers.
>>
>> As for brailled texts, yes ask them about other sources.
>> NBP can give them a cost estimate rather quickly. Their website says
>> Textbooks
>> Our qualified staff follows the rules for literary, Nemeth, music, and
>> computer braille codes as set forth by the Braille Authority of North
>> America (BANA).
>>
>> So they do all types of brailling including math and music.
>>
>> Good luck with advocacy. Its too bad you don't have a braille display as I
>> think that would be helpful to read your work and notes. Unless you are a
>> auditory learner, its easy to miss something by just listening.
>> I always study via my braille Note for tests. Reading my notes helps me
>> remember them better. And I like being able to find things easily via the
>> find command or place markers.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:19 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
>>
>> Ashley, if you read my other posts, I don't have a note taker, anymore.
>> I'll bring up NBP, this year.
>> Thanks for bringing them up!
>> Also, the college is only authorized to put Jaws on one computer.
>> They can't put it on every one.
>> I can't understand why.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> Yes it’s a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed to
>>> provide
>>> braille math books too.
>>> Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because
>>> its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille.
>>> RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then they are
>>> not
>>> providing you adaquate accomodations.
>>> A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the electronic text
>>> from
>>> the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille display
>>> will
>>> read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into nemeth
>>> braille.
>>> So read it on the braille display.
>>> Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader type the
>>> information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser, emboss the
>>> material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the display
>>> from
>>> the computer.
>>>
>>> Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it to learn
>>> it,
>>> so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille.
>>> Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press? NBP has
>>> transcribed college level texts before. They might have an algebra book
>>> your
>>> school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's textbook, but the
>>> concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more info about a
>>> book.
>>> That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be transcribed and
>>> embossed to braille.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
>>>
>>> Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my community
>>> college?
>>> I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for Intermediate
>>> Algebra.
>>> I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to help,
>>> on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now, Learning
>>> Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind.
>>> I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything.
>>> This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community
>>> colleges, nationwide.
>>> Something more needs to be done.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 7/2/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens
>>>> during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and
>>>> stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one
>>>> lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of
>>>> errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see those
>>>> errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay
>>>> your words of encouragement to Christopher as well.
>>>>
>>>> See you all in Orlando!
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester
>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes she is.
>>>> Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list again.
>>>> I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop
>>>> discriminating against the disabled.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I
>>>> wish
>>>> you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one
>>>> that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll
>>>> have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>>>> motto)
>>>>
>>>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
>>>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
>>>> on this link to learn more and to contribute:
>>>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N.
>>>> Foundation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
>>>>
>>>> Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any
>>>> students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are
>>>> suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the math
>>>> department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For
>>>> more, here's a clip of the article.
>>>>
>>>> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination
>>>> 6/29/2011
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>>> CONTACT:
>>>> Chris Danielsen
>>>> Director of Public Relations
>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
>>>> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
>>>> cdanielsen at nfb.org
>>>>
>>>> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination
>>>> National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's
>>>> Actions
>>>> Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the
>>>> National
>>>> Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane
>>>> Toth and Jamie
>>>> Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State University
>>>> (FSU) and
>>>> its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department
>>>> of
>>>> Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato
>>>> by
>>>> failing to
>>>> provide them with proper accommodations so that they could
>>>> successfully
>>>> complete required math courses for their respective degree
>>>> programs. The
>>>> violations include requiring the students to use an inaccessible
>>>> Web-based
>>>> application to complete homework assignments, tests, and
>>>> quizzes;
>>>> requiring
>>>> the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to
>>>> respond to
>>>> in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide
>>>> Braille
>>>> versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon
>>>> accommodation
>>>> plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students
>>>> complained of
>>>> these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the
>>>> Department of
>>>> Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even
>>>> hostile, and
>>>> did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth and
>>>> Ms.
>>>> Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a
>>>> result, both
>>>> students are currently unable to continue their degree programs
>>>> and find
>>>> their careers indefinitely on hold.
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the
>>>> Blind, said:
>>>> "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but it
>>>> rarely
>>>> stems from actual animus towards the students. This case,
>>>> however, involves
>>>> the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the
>>>> rights
>>>> of these
>>>> two students, whose academic records have now suffered
>>>> irreparable damage
>>>> and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress,
>>>> embarrassment,
>>>> humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The
>>>> National
>>>> Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous
>>>> treatment of
>>>> blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as
>>>> fully as
>>>> necessary in order to ensure that these young people are
>>>> compensated for the
>>>> egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of
>>>> Mathematics."
>>>>
>>>> The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F.
>>>> Goldstein, Sharon
>>>> Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm
>>>> Brown,
>>>> Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law
>>>> Offices of
>>>> Matthew W. Dietz, P.L.
>>>>
>>>> Beth Taurasi
>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
>>>>
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