[nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
Lea williams
leanicole1988 at gmail.com
Sun Jul 3 06:35:17 UTC 2011
Sometimes I guess they may not have enough money to pay for paper,
pens and such and are going to school on lones and grants. Some has
issues with gas ETC.
It's a small two year college. Comunity, close to my apartment than a
univercity would be.
On 7/3/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a thought: Cost should only matter if the school is having
> budget issues or something... otherwise... what do they do for
> students without disabilities?
> Best,
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 01:34:14 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
>
> This is what Freedomscientific website says.
>
> Multi-user options are available for JAWS Professional and
> Standard
> licenses, MAGic Professional licenses only, and all OpenBook
> licenses.
> They may be purchased
> in blocks of five seats in all cases. In the US, please call
> 1-800-444-4443 for pricing. International customers, please
> contact
> your local distributor
> for pricing.
> Site License: Specifically designed for educational institutions,
> public libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to
> better
> the lives of the
> visually impaired. The Site License may only be used at one
> designated
> location.
>
> District License: Also designed for educational institutions,
> public
> libraries, and organizations whose sole purpose is to better the
> lives
> of the visually
> impaired. This license allows the institution to install the
> software
> at more than one facility.
>
> Enterprise License: Tailored to meet the needs of private
> businesses
> and government agencies. The enterprise license may be installed
> in
> multiple locations,
> but may only be used on machines owned by the specified company
> or agency.
>
> So your school would have to get a District License. My school
> allows
> me to put a demo on any and all of the computers I wish. better
> than
> nothing but not as great as having a full version.
> What about using one of those thumb drive Jaws?
> I need to look online on how that will work. I am going to take
> a
> computer class in the fall and need to figure out about putting
> jaws
> on a computer. My schools says that they only allow up to $250
> per
> student to spend on stuff for school if they are unable to
> purches it
> themselves They did start to look in to getting my math and other
> books in braille until i told them how much it would cost.
> At least they thought about it!
> I too face simmular problems that these two are facing. My
> college
> uses math labs on the web that is not totally exsessible to blind
> people. I have to have all my math read to me and is difficult
> at
> times when I have to spend hours a week in the learning center as
> if I
> am taking a whole other class that I am not getting credit for.
>
> On 7/2/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> If anyone can help me find a good deal on a Pac Mate, with a 20
> cell
> display, I'd appreciate it.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> Joshua,
> As for jaws, sometimes classes are in computer labs or visit
> computer
> labs.
> Mine did so for freshman english.
> You have a right to use the computer with jaws. If your school
> can only
> place jaws on one computer, then they bought the wrong
> authorization key.
> I don't know the specifics; FS could tell you. But I believe
> there is a
> network license where jaws can be placed on multiple computers.
>
> As for brailled texts, yes ask them about other sources.
> NBP can give them a cost estimate rather quickly. Their website
> says
> Textbooks
> Our qualified staff follows the rules for literary, Nemeth,
> music, and
> computer braille codes as set forth by the Braille Authority of
> North
> America (BANA).
>
> So they do all types of brailling including math and music.
>
> Good luck with advocacy. Its too bad you don't have a braille
> display as I
> think that would be helpful to read your work and notes. Unless
> you are a
> auditory learner, its easy to miss something by just listening.
> I always study via my braille Note for tests. Reading my notes
> helps me
> remember them better. And I like being able to find things
> easily via the
> find command or place markers.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:19 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
>
> Ashley, if you read my other posts, I don't have a note taker,
> anymore.
> I'll bring up NBP, this year.
> Thanks for bringing them up!
> Also, the college is only authorized to put Jaws on one
> computer.
> They can't put it on every one.
> I can't understand why.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 7/2/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Yes it뭩 a big problem. At nova, community college, they failed
> to
> provide
> braille math books too.
> Get an advocate involved. The school is not helping because
> its very expensive to get a math book transcribed into braille.
> RFB will not produce braille and if that is what you need, then
> they are
> not
> providing you adaquate accomodations.
> A solution is electronic text in Word. If you get the
> electronic text
> from
> the publisher, a Braille Note or other notetaker with braille
> display
> will
> read the Word file. I think it can translate the text into
> nemeth
> braille.
> So read it on the braille display.
> Another solution to get some critical concepts is have a reader
> type the
> information in the computer. Then if you have an embosser,
> emboss the
> material or, again with a braille display, just read it on the
> display
> from
> the computer.
>
> Its not a perfect solution. But yes I think you need to see it
> to learn
> it,
> so you need braille and these may be some ways to get braille.
> Your school is trying APH. How about National braille Press?
> NBP has
> transcribed college level texts before. They might have an
> algebra book
> your
> school should purchase. No, it may not be your school's
> textbook, but the
> concepts probably are the same. You could call NBP for more
> info about a
> book.
> That may be a cheaper option than sending a book to be
> transcribed and
> embossed to braille.
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
>
> Why won't someone help me, get Braille Math books, for my
> community
> college?
> I haven't had a Braille Math book, and it's time for
> Intermediate
> Algebra.
> I've already gone to Disability services, and they're willing to
> help,
> on the local level, but they're going through RFBND, (now,
> Learning
> Ally,) instead of APH, for the Blind.
> I've asked them to try them, but I'm not hearing anything.
> This isn't just an FSU issue, it's universities, and community
> colleges, nationwide.
> Something more needs to be done.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 7/2/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> I won't be in Orlando, but call me and tell me what happens
> during the general sessions. I can't go because of money and
> stuff. Jamie, I'd love to see FSU get bombed with more than one
> lawsuit about discrimination against the blind. You got lots of
> errors in their accessibility policy, but I have yet to see
> those
> errors. I hope to see an article about this in the Monitor.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 17:22:36 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
>
> Thanks to everyone who wished us luck in our case. I'll relay
> your words of encouragement to Christopher as well.
>
> See you all in Orlando!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester
> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>
> Yes she is.
> Jamie, this message is to you, when you look at this list
> again.
> I pray that you're successful, and that other universities stop
> discriminating against the disabled.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 7/2/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> That is... outrageous! I believe Jamie's on this list, so I
> wish
> you the best of luck! Mr. Goldstein is a great lawyer and one
> that NFB has been working with for 20 years, so I think you'll
> have a good chance of winning the case! Good luck!
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
> motto)
>
> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How?
> Click
> on this link to learn more and to contribute:
> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N.
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>
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:15:42 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] did anyone hear about the FSU lawsuit?
>
> Hi, guys. I thought I might ask you Florida students or any
> students out there if you've heard that two of my friends are
> suing FSU, my old university. They're suing because of the
> math
> department and the way the faculty has been treating them. For
> more, here's a clip of the article.
>
> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination
> 6/29/2011
>
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> CONTACT:
> Chris Danielsen
> Director of Public Relations
> National Federation of the Blind
> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
> cdanielsen at nfb.org
>
> Blind Students Sue Florida State University for Discrimination
> National Federation of the Blind Outraged at University's
> Actions
> Baltimore, Maryland (June 29, 2011): With the assistance of the
> National
> Federation of the Blind, two blind students-Christopher Shane
> Toth and Jamie
> Ann Principato-filed suit today against Florida State
> University
> (FSU) and
> its board of trustees. The suit alleges that FSU's Department
> of
> Mathematics discriminated against Mr. Toth and Ms. Principato
> by
> failing to
> provide them with proper accommodations so that they could
> successfully
> complete required math courses for their respective degree
> programs. The
> violations include requiring the students to use an
> inaccessible
> Web-based
> application to complete homework assignments, tests, and
> quizzes;
> requiring
> the use of clickers that cannot be used by a blind person to
> respond to
> in-class questions and obtain bonus credit; failing to provide
> Braille
> versions of the required textbooks in violation of agreed-upon
> accommodation
> plans; and engaging in retaliatory actions when the students
> complained of
> these violations. In all cases, faculty members in the
> Department of
> Mathematics were generally uncooperative, unhelpful, and even
> hostile, and
> did not provide meaningful alternative methods for Mr. Toth
> and
> Ms.
> Principato to successfully complete the required courses. As a
> result, both
> students are currently unable to continue their degree programs
> and find
> their careers indefinitely on hold.
>
> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the
> Blind, said:
> "Discrimination against blind students is all too common, but
> it
> rarely
> stems from actual animus towards the students. This case,
> however, involves
> the repeated, deliberate, and intentional disregard of the
> rights
> of these
> two students, whose academic records have now suffered
> irreparable damage
> and who have suffered lost opportunities, emotional distress,
> embarrassment,
> humiliation, and retaliation by university officials. The
> National
> Federation of the Blind will not stand for this outrageous
> treatment of
> blind students and we will continue to support this lawsuit as
> fully as
> necessary in order to ensure that these young people are
> compensated for the
> egregious conduct of faculty and staff in FSU's Department of
> Mathematics."
>
> The plaintiffs are represented in this matter by Daniel F.
> Goldstein, Sharon
> Krevor-Weisbaum, and Brooke E. Lierman of the Baltimore firm
> Brown,
> Goldstein, and Levy; and Matthew Dietz of the Miami firm Law
> Offices of
> Matthew W. Dietz, P.L.
>
> Beth Taurasi
> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
>
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