[nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! andGoing Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice

Wed Jul 20 22:16:51 UTC 2011

And I like that! Bring on the political incorrectness! :) The 
political correctness is Dr.  Maurer's job, right? :)

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:17:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK 
Cooking! andGoing Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your 
iDevice

Hi, David,

'Couldn't agree more! I was horrified to see how,
comments I made, caused Joseph to remind us that,
he is not known for his political correctness,
particularly on an NFB List.  Politically correct?
Not I!
for today,
Car I PM 7/19/2011, David Dodge wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I think it is really important that we have discussions like 
this.  Whether
or not you believe that their is anything wrong with this 
seminar, putting
the question out there makes us question our belief systems and 
think more
deeply about what we are doing.  The reason this is important is 
so that we
can learn more, grow, and change our viewpoints if need be.

As ideological as that sounds, my point is we should feel 
comfortable asking
the list questions and polling responses.  If we start to 
question what we
can and can't say, should and shouldn't post, we will begin to 
lose some of
the value.  I am now finished rambling! Have a good one all.

David
----------------------------------
David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:32 AM, T.  Joseph Carter
<carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>wrote:

 Carly,

 Are you saying that we may not dare to ask certain questions if 
they may
 upset the sighted public, even here amongst our blind peers?  If 
so, I
 emphatically disagree, but I am not sure I am understanding you 
correctly.

 I asked an honest question of the members of the NABS list, as 
to whether
 or not this seminar by Hadley—an organization that deals in 
blindness and
 nothing but—seemed condescending at all to
 anyone else.  It did to me, but I
 acknowledged in the asking that I’m basically cynical and jaded 
about such
 things.

 I accept that the majority opinion is that no, there’s nothing 
wrong with
 Hadley’s seminar.  But I make no apology whatsoever for asking 
the question
 on an NFB list.

 The missing of the NFB is to attain equality for the blind by 
giving us the
 means to be regarded as any other non-blind person, and then 
treating us
 accordingly.  We cannot do that if, even within our own 
organization, we
 cannot discuss whether or not those who
 provide us with services are working
 toward that goal or against it.

 Some of us are perhaps overly sensitive to these issues, and I 
certainly
 count myself among them.  But that’s why I asked the question 
here, on an
 NFB list, to other generally like-minded blind people.  I did 
not put the
 question out to the sighted public, who generally wouldn’t be 
expected to
 understand what the big deal is (even my own sighted friends and 
loved ones
 wouldn’t get it!)

 If we start mincing words here, then the next time some ignorant 
sightie
 (yes, I said ignorant sightie) comes up to one of us as we’re 
walking down
 the street and says, "You’re doing SUCH A
 GOOD JOB," we’re likely to get the
 idea that we should accept the "compliment" we’re being given, 
despite the
 fact that walking is a task most two year olds have largely 
mastered.  How
 else would we know it was acceptable to
 consider that a sign of ignorance we
 should correct if we can?  Or that it was
 okay to maybe be a little offended
 ourselves that this is what we are reduced to in that person’s 
estimation?

 I’m not generally known for political correctness.  I’m 
certainly not known
 for it regarding blindness on NFB mailing lists.  I do not 
expect that will
 change in the near future.

 Joseph - KF7QZC

 On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:37:29PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis Esq.  
wrote:

 Hi, Joseph,

 'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of 
no-cook
 recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, 
contained in the
 helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness 
whatsoever.
 Furthermore, I believe there are  even occasions in which , 
no-cook food
 preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish would be
 inappropriate.

 To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations 
will do
 actual wonders for our social  ambiguities, doncha think?
 Please, easy on the over reactions!
 for today,
 Car7/19/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote:

 Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine.  I want to attend a hadley 
webinar
  but that time doesn't work for me.  Maybe
 they are archived; the wording of
 it says its summer and they want to talk about food prep that 
doesn't
 require a hot kitchen.  Also it says whether
 you are preparing for yourself
 or to impress guests.  So therefore they are
 assuming that you will prepare
 for yourself, family or friends; whatever you need to do.  
Hadley targets
 many many people including teachers of the blind and visually 
impaired;
 newly blind adults and those blind from birth.  I take it that 
this is an
 overview of cooking ideas and recipies.  Its probably something 
basic that
 most could follow from the novice cook to the advanced cook who 
wants
 something simple.  I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we 
read more
 into things sometimes.  It does say they will discuss tips for 
people with
 visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like adaptive 
techniques
 sometimes, so you can take it or leave it.  But we do need 
adaptive
 techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do.  
Many blind
 cooks use a tray or something to put
 their  pots and pans and bowls on while
 preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to 
clean up.
 Some blind people use liquid level indicators  to know when 
their cup is
 full of the desired liquid.  More often people use a finger to 
fill the
 bowl/cup or judge by sound.  But for those who can't or don't 
want to use
 their finger, the liquid level indicator is an option.  We often 
use the
 sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food 
and keep
 tabs on what we are doing.  So those are adaptive techniques.  
Anyone may
 want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just decided to target it 
to blind
 people.  However I do agree a sixty minute
 seminar is too short to cover such
 a topic.  But I guess that is all the time they had.  Well, 
anyone who
 attends can judge afterward.  Ashley -----Original Message----- 
From: T.
 Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011
 3:10 PM To: National Association
 of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re:
 [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming
 Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New 
Accessible Apps
 for Your iDevice Iâ€™m of two minds on this, perhaps Iâ€™m being 
overly
 sensitive.  First, thereâ€™s the notion of a seminar for 
preparing food
 without cooking it.  Where do I begin?  Letâ€™s start with the 
seminar
 itself: Most sighted people would never
 expect a seminar to teach them how
 to follow a recipe.  Either you can or you
 donâ€™t have the requisite skills
 to do it.  If you donâ€™t have the skills, Iâ€™m not sure how a 
60 minute
 webcast is going to help you get them.  A list of recipes should 
suffice,
 and indeed our own Braille Monitor
 publishes recipes (though not often the
 no-cooking variety) with the assumption
 that fellow blind readers can follow
 them if they are so inclined.  Then thereâ€™s the no cooking 
aspect.
  Inherently in this is the unavoidable
 assumption that the blind cannot or
 should not be cooking food.  Any of you who
 live alone doubtlessly have SOME
 food prep skill, even if youâ€™ve never
 learned to "cook" as such, and your
 skill mostly consists of using a microwave
 and boiling water.  But as I said,
 perhaps I am being overly sensitive.  The seminar format could 
allow for
 suggestions for improving the recipes a bit
 (in which case an hour seems too
 short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe 
thatâ€™s what
 theyâ€™ve got in mind.  Possibly the
 no-cook aspect has more to do with the
 idea that itâ€™s summer and you donâ€™t
 want to spend a lot of time in a hot
 kitchen—or  that you would prefer cold
 foods to hot ones at this time of the
 year.  Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students 
who live on
 campus and donâ€™t have the means to cook
 in any traditional way.  Or maybe,
 itâ€™s because weâ€™re blind.  Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 
2011 at
 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> >>Seminars at Hadley 
Presents:
 NO COOK Cooking! >> >>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011

 Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >> >>Keep your cool! It may be hot

 outside, but no need to get out of the >>kitchen.  There are 
lots of NO
 COOK recipes to choose from whether >>preparing a simple, fast 
meal for
 yourself or something to impress
 guests.  >> >>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn
 Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their

 favorite NO COOK recipes, adding Ã¢€œcoolÃ¢€Â  fo  food

 preparation tips that >>work for the cook with a visual 
impairment.

Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we

 build a >>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute 
seminar.
 Consider adding >>your favorite recipe,
 too! >> >>Space in this seminar is
 limited.  Please only register if you know you are

 available to attend so that others are not closed out.  To

 register for NO >>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link:

http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=<http://hadley.edu/sem
inar_detail.asp?sid=>94
Seminars at Hadley

 Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>Your 
iDevice
Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>Time:
 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >> >>Apps for
 money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, 
>>apps for
 color identification, and apps for games.
 If you have an idevice >>(iPhone,
 iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps 
>>available
 for your device.  Are you overwhelmed with
 the number of apps >>available for
 your idevice? Do you want to know more
 about the app before >>you download
 it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are

 you confused about how to locate and download an app to your

 idevice? >> >>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy 
Salmon and
 Korey Singleton, >>Assistive Technology
 Initiative Manager for George Mason
 University >>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your 
idevices,
 explain how >>to check an app for accessibility and features, 
and provide
 step-by-step >>instructions on how to locate and download an app 
to your
 idevice.  >> >>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be 
moderated by
 Hadley >>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire.  A question and 
answer
 session will

 be included as part of the seminar.  >> >>Space in this seminar 
is

 limited.  Please only register if you know you are >>available 
to attend
 so that others are not closed out.  To
 register for >>Going Ape for Apps on
 July 21, follow this link:

http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=<http://hadley.edu/sem
inar_detail.asp?sid=>95
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