[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution

Sat Jun 18 16:29:26 UTC 2011

This=20is=20the=20NFB=20we're=20talking=20about=20here,=20they've=20got=20a=
=20lot=20of=20
funds!

=20Chris

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=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Briley=20Pollard=20<brileyp at gmail.com
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2017=20Jun=202011=2022:21:04=20-0400
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20proposition=20for=20amendment=20to=20constituti=
on

If=20you=20actually=20read=20my=20response,=20you'd=20see=20I=20addressed=20=
the=20
issues=20bring=20up..=20=20Of=20course=20I=20understand=20the=20financial=20=
burden,=20
which=20I=20mentioned.=20=20But=20there=20is=20a=20lot=20of=20assistance=20=
available,=20
and=20not=20just=20from=20the=20NFB=20itself.=20=20If=20people=20want=20to=
=20come,=20
funding=20can=20be=20found.=20=20I'm=20in=20no=20way=20suggesting=20that=20=
people=20who=20
can't=20attend=20aren't=20federationists=20or=20don't=20care=20about=20the=
=20
organization.=20=20But=20proxy=20voting=20is=20not=20allowed=20for=20some=20=
very=20good=20
reasons.=20=20Perhaps=20there=20could=20be=20an=20Absent-T=20system=20insti=
tuted=20
similar=20to=20what=20the=20government=20has=20for=20legitimate=20circumsta=
nces.=20=20
But,=20I'm=20not=20sure=20we=20as=20an=20organization=20have=20the=20funds=
=20or=20the=20
resources=20necessary=20to=20take=20on=20that=20undertaking.=20=20It=20is=20=
an=20idea=20
though.

Best,
Briley
On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2010:14=20PM,=20Jorge=20Paez=20wrote:

=20Right,
=20but=20tell=20me,
=20does=20everyone=20have=20the=20money=20to=20spend=20around=20$1,00=20on=
=20convention=20
costs?

=20You=20specially=20as=20a=20student=20should=20know=20that.

=20And=20as=20for=20me,
=20I=20have=20so=20far=20been=20a=20strong=20supporter=20of=20the=20federat=
ion,=20yet=20=20
only=20have=20gone=20to=20one=20national=20convention.
=20So=20if=20I=20don't=20show=20up=20this=20year=20are=20you=20suggesting=20=
that=20I=20am=20not=20
a=20"true=20federationist?"=20Because=20that's=20where=20your=20=20language=
=20is=20
pointing=20towards.

=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2010:04=20PM,=20Briley=20Pollard=20wrote:

=20I'm=20hesitant=20to=20even=20weigh=20in=20on=20this=20debate=20since=20m=
ost=20relevant=20
arguments=20have=20already=20been=20made.=20=20However,=20it=20is=20importa=
nt=20to=20
note=20that=20being=20present=20at=20the=20Nabs=20meeting=20every=20year=20=
indicates=20
a=20certain=20amount=20of=20investment=20in=20the=20organization.=20=20I=20=
know=20
convention=20is=20expensive,=20but=20there=20are=20multiple=20ways=20to=20p=
rocure=20
funding=20outside=20of=20paying=20for=20everything=20yourself.=20=20I=20kno=
w=20that=20
as=20students=20we=20don't=20have=20much=20expendable=20income.=20=20Howeve=
r,=20the=20
yearly=20meeting=20of=20the=20organization=20as=20a=20whole=20and=20the=20d=
ivision=20
shows=20the=20membership=20and=20is=20a=20chance=20for=20us=20as=20members=
=20to=20make=20
our=20wants=20and=20needs=20known=20by=20how=20we=20vote.=20=20If=20one=20c=
ares=20enough=20
about=20the=20organization=20to=20make=20that=20kind=20of=20time=20investme=
nt,=20then=20
one=20has=20earned=20that=20right=20to=20participate=20in=20organizational=
=20
positions=20and=20decisions.

=20Best,
=20Briley
=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=209:52=20PM,=20T.=20=20Joseph=20Carter=20wro=
te:

=20Right,=20and=20I=20will=20be=20sure=20to=20cast=20my=20vote=20for=20as=20=
many=20people=20
whose=20names=20I=20happen=20to=20know=20as=20possible.=20=20No,=20you=92d=
=20need=20to=20
manage=20passwords=20and=20data=20security.=20=20There=20would=20be=20issue=
s=20such=20
as=20validity=20and=20integrity=20of=20the=20ballot=20(who=92s=20observing=
=20to=20
ensure=20the=20votes=20are=20not=20tampered=20with,=20etc.?)

=20What=20you=20are=20looking=20for=20is=20not=20proxy=20voting,=20but=20to=
=20change=20NABS=20
elections=20from=20being=20held=20at=20convention=20to=20being=20held=20onl=
ine.=20=20
That=20means=20the=20elections=20process=20would=20need=20to=20happen=20(al=
ong=20with=20
any=20runoffs=20and=20revotes)=20prior=20to=20convention=20so=20that=20the=
=20newly=20
elected=20board=20members=20can=20meet=20with=20the=20old=20and=20arrange=20=
the=20
transition=20plan=20as=20best=20they=20can.

=20If=20elections,=20why=20not=20resolutions=20and=20other=20business=20as=
=20well?=20=20
Why=20would=20we=20then=20send=20delegates=20from=20the=20states=20to=20vot=
e?=20=20This=20
would=20be=20a=20fundamental=20change=20to=20the=20organization=20as=20a=20=
whole,=20and=20
one=20that=20could=20be=20exploited=20by=20those=20who=20have=20an=20axe=20=
to=20grind=20
against=20the=20NFB.=20=20Without=20becoming=20too=20confrontational,=20suf=
fice=20
it=20to=20say=20that=20such=20individuals=20exist.

=20It=20would=20also=20degrade=20our=20national=20convention=20from=20a=20
policy-making=20body=20to=20the=20status=20of=20a=20trade=20show=20for=20bl=
ind=20ghetto=20
tech.=20=20I=92m=20not=20sure=20you=92re=20going=20to=20find=20support=20fo=
r=20that=20amongst=20
Federationists=20at=20large=97particularly=20since=20in=20order=20to=20do=20=
so=20you=20
must=20first=20convince=20those=20Federationists=20who=20will=20be=20attend=
ing=20
Convention=20because=20it=20is=20a=20policy-making=20body=20they=20wish=20t=
o=20be=20
part=20of=20that=20it=20should=20no=20longer=20be=20so.

=20You=20would=20not=20have=20my=20support,=20even=20though=20I=20have=20on=
ly=20been=20to=20
two=20non-consecutive=20conventions=20now,=20because=20I=20wouldn=92t=20wan=
t=20to=20
see=20what=20naturally=20comes=20from=20the=20application=20of=20your=20sug=
gestion.=20=20
To=20me,=20going=20to=20convention=20is=20ABOUT=20something,=20whether=20I=
=20can=20
attend=20or=20not.=20=20I=20for=20one=20am=20not=20willing=20to=20give=20th=
at=20up.

=20That=20said,=20though=20I=20may=20attend=20the=20NABS=20meeting=20if=20I=
=20am=20not=20
needed=20elsewhere,=20I=20will=20not=20be=20voting.=20=20I=20am=20not=20a=20=
student=20
anymore,=20as=20I=20said,=20and=20NABS=20policy=20should=20IMO=20be=20set=20=
by=20those=20
who=20are.

=20Joseph

=20On=20Fri,=20Jun=2017,=202011=20at=2012:54:10PM=20-0400,=20Jorge=20Paez=20=
wrote:
=20So=20would=20I.

=20And,=20security=20measures=20such=20as=20comparing=20someone's=20name=20=
against=20
a=20database=20can=20easily=20be=20developed=20as=20well=20with=20some=20ph=
p.

=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2012:41=20PM,=20Ignasi=20Cambra=20wrote:

=20A=20web=20based=20system=20could=20easily=20be=20developed,=20that's=20f=
or=20sure.=20=20
I=20would=20be=20willing=20to=20help=20with=20that.
=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2012:32=20PM,=20Jorge=20Paez=20wrote:

=20Marsha:
=20This=20is=20only=20theory=20to=20be=20aprooved--the=20web=20team=20would=
=20have=20to=20
be=20in=20charge=20of=20developing=20some=20authentication=20method.
=20I'm=20sure=20we=20could=20make=20sure=20only=20absent=20people=20vote=20=
in=20some=20way=20
such=20as=20having=20to=20enter=20with=20your=20name,=20and=20the=20site=20=

disqualifying=20you=20when=20you=20enter=20your=20vote=20if=20it=20sees=20t=
hat=20you're=20
present.
=20This=20is=20where=20the=20database=20of=20contact=20information=20would=
=20come=20in=20
handy.

=20On=20Jun=2017,=202011,=20at=2012:07=20PM,=20Marsha=20Drenth=20wrote:

=20In=20theory=20this=20is=20a=20good=20suggestion.=20=20But=20lets=20be=20=
realistic=20
here.=20=20This=20would
=20be=20a=20complicated=20process=20of=20tallying=20the=20votes.=20=20If=20=
the=20students=20
were=20to=20do
=20this,=20the=20general=20convention=20would=20want=20this=20too.=20=20Its=
=20sad=20that=20
those=20who
=20can't=20be=20there=20can't=20vote,=20but=20that=20is=20where=20those=20w=
ho=20can't=20be=20
there,
=20should=20get=20involved=20to=20elect=20those=20who=20they=20feel=20would=
=20do=20the=20
best=20job
=20possible.

=20Say=20if=20you=20were=20to=20have=20a=20online=20way=20to=20take=20votes=
,=20how=20are=20you=20
going=20to
=20distinguish=20from=20those=20who=20are=20really=20not=20going=20to=20tho=
se=20who=20are=20
going=20to
=20convention=20but=20who=20want=20to=20vote=20and=20add=20votes=20to=20a=20=
particular=20
person
=20running.

=20Now=20correct=20me=20someone=20if=20I=20am=20wrong,=20isn't=20it=20true=
=20that=20you=20can=20
run,=20not
=20necessarily=20be=20there,=20and=20be=20elected?=20Or=20must=20you=20be=20=
present?=20
Different
=20divisions=20do=20this=20differently.

=20Marsha

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org=20
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf
=20Of=20Jorge=20Paez
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20June=2017,=202011=2011:57=20AM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20proposition=20for=20amendment=20to=20constitution

=20Hello=20all:
=20I=20want=20to=20propose=20the=20following=20amendment=20to=20the=20const=
itution,=20
to=20article
=20IV.

=20---

=20Voting

=20Due=20to=20the=20fact=20that=20there=20are=20people=20who=20will=20not=20=
be=20present=20at=20
the
=20convention=20due=20to=20issues=20beyond=20the=20membership's=20control,=
=20but=20
who=20have=20paid
=20dues=20and=20do=20therefore,=20retain=20their=20right=20to=20vote,=20the=
=20NATIONAL=20
ASSOCIATION
=20OF=20THE=20BLIND=20shall=20henceforth=20recognize
=20these=20members=20by=20allowing=20them=20to=20vote,=20in=20such=20method=
s=20as=20are=20
legal=20and=20of
=20good=20practice,=20in=20all=20elections=20pertaining=20to=20the=20busine=
ss=20of=20
this
=20organization.

=20---

=20end=20of=20amendment.

=20The=20defense=20I=20put=20forth=20for=20this=20amendment=20is=20simple:=
=20if=20we=20are=20
to=20be=20a
=20democratic=20organization,=20and=20if=20we=20are=20truly=20the=20"voice=
=20of=20the=20
Nation's
=20blind"=20we=20must=20realize=20there=20are=20students=20who=20will=20not=
=20be=20able=20
to=20attend=20but
=20who=20have=20paid=20dues,=20and=20these=20students=20must=20be=20recogni=
zed=20and=20
given=20the
=20chance=20to=20vote=20in=20elections.=20=20If=20not,=20we=20are=20violati=
ng=20our=20own=20
constitution
=20as=20article=20IV=20is=20doing=20as=20of=20this=20writing,=20by=20elimin=
ating=20those=20
members=20who
=20cannot=20attend=20convention,=20and=20therein=20setting=20only=20a=20cer=
tain=20
portion=20of=20the
=20student=20membership=20to=20vote.

=20Jorge
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