[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment

Mon Jun 20 14:35:53 UTC 2011

Wow,=20Elizabeth!=20This=20would=20make=20for=20a=20very=20interesting=20th=
read=20on=20
the=20list,=20however=20maybe=20not=20for=20our=20list=20in=20particular.=20=
=20You=20
might=20want=20to=20email=20Peter=20offlist.=20=20I=20would=20say=20this=20=
one=20thing,=20
unless=20Peter=20did=20something=20special,=20I=20think=20it's=20sheer=20lu=
ck.=20=20No=20
guarantees=20in=20dating,=20in=20my=20opinion.=20=20Just=20some=20tips!=20I=
'm=20not=20
going=20to=20go=20into=20this=20discussion=20any=20more=20than=20that.

=20Chris

"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit=
ies=20motto)
To=20learn=20more=20about=20Camp=20Abilities=20and=20find=20a=20local=20cam=
p=20near=20
you,=20just=20click=20on=20this=20link=20to=20their=20national=20Web=20site=
:=20
www.campabilities.org.

The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in=
=20
Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How=
?=20Click=20
on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20
www.icanfoundation.info.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Elizabeth"=20<lizmohnke at hotmail.com
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2019=20Jun=202011=2015:52:59=20-0400
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20draft=202=20-=20complete=20section=20with=20ame=
ndment

Peter,

Not=20trying=20to=20change=20the=20subject=20or=20anything,=20but=20is=20th=
ere=20any=20
way=20you=20could
give=20us=20a=20few=20tips=20or=20some=20advice=20on=20how=20we=20could=20f=
ind=20ourselves=20
in=20the=20same
situation=20as=20you?=20You=20know,=20going=20to=20convention,=20meeting=20=
a=20
special=20someone,
falling=20in=20love,=20getting=20married,=20and=20living=20life=20happily=20=
ever=20
after?=20It
sounds=20like=20an=20awesome=20deal=20to=20me,=20so=20where=20exactly=20do=
=20I=20go=20to=20
sign=20up=20for
that=20convention=20attraction?=20I=20don't=20remember=20seeing=20it=20list=
ed=20
anywhere=20in
the=20agenda.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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From:=20"Peter=20Donahue"=20<pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
Sent:=20Sunday,=20June=2019,=202011=203:14=20PM
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20draft=202=20-=20complete=20section=20with=20ame=
ndment

=20Hello=20Darian=20and=20everyone,

=20=20=20=20With=20shear=20determination,=20not=20taking=20excuses=20from=20=
myself,=20and=20
deciding
=20that=20money=20wouldn't=20prevent=20me=20from=20attending=20that=20conve=
ntion.=20=20
Once=20I=20=20put
=20myself=20in=20the=20right=20mind-set=20everything=20else=20fell=20in=20t=
o=20place.=20=20
As=20an=20added
=20bonus=20I=20was=20rewarded=20during=20that=20convention=20by=20meeting=20=
my=20wife=20
Mary=20whom=20I
=20have=20been=20married=20to=20for=20going=20on=2027=20years=20come=20Marc=
h=20of=202012.

=20Peter=20Donahue

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Darian=20Smith"=20<dsmithnfb at gmail.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20June=2019,=202011=201:07=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20draft=202=20-=20complete=20section=20with=20=
amendment

=20Peter,
=20would=20you=20mind=20explaining=20just=20how=20you=20made=20it=20to=20th=
e=201984=20
convention?
=20=20Darian
=20=20Darian

=20On=206/19/11,=20Peter=20Donahue=20<pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>=20wrote:
=20Hello=20Chris=20and=20everyone,

=20=20=20=20=20For=20that=20matter=20you=20could=20find=20a=20way=20to=20ge=
t=20to=20the=20
convention.=20=20Do=20you
=20just=20want=20to=20listen=20to=20what=20a=20candidate=20has=20to=20say=20=
or=20meet=20them=20
in=20person
=20and=20be=20able=20to=20ask=20them=20questions=20concerning=20their=20goa=
ls=20for=20
NABS.=20=20You
=20have
=20just=20about=20two=20weeks=20to=20make=20plans=20to=20be=20with=20us=20i=
n=20Orlando.

=20=20=20=20=20I=20pulled=20off=20attending=20the=201984=20national=20conve=
ntion=20on=20about=20
three
=20weeks
=20notice=20without=20anything=20saved=20up.=20=20Had=20I=20not=20made=20th=
e=20effort=20to=20
go=20I=20would
=20have=20regretted=20it=20as=20I=20probably=20wouldn't=20be=20married=20to=
day.=20=20I'll=20
take
=20complete=20immersion=20over=20Internet=20pitches=20and=20streaming=20any=
=20day.

=20Peter=20Donahue

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Chris=20Nusbaum"=20<dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20June=2019,=202011=2012:34=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20draft=202=20-=20complete=20section=20with=20=
amendment

=20Kirt,

=20At=20the=20risk=20of=20starting=20an=20ACB=20debate=20again,=20I=20will=
=20tell=20you=20one
=20thing=20that=20they=20do=20that=20(if=20we=20decide=20to=20do=20it)=20mi=
ght=20solve=20the
=20problem=20of=20this=20not=20working=20since=20we=20need=20to=20listen=20=
to=20each
=20candidate's=20introduction=20speech=20if=20they=20haven't=20done=20such=
=20an
=20introduction=20on=20the=20list.=20=20When=20it=20gets=20close=20to=20the=
=20ACB
=20convention/elections,=20ACB=20Radio=20(ACB's=20online=20radio=20station)=
=20
does
=20a=20series=20of=20debates=20and=20question-answer=20sessions=20with=20th=
e
=20candidates=20running=20for=20ACB=20offices=20(treasurer,=20President,=20=
vice
=20Presidents,=20etc)=20where=20members=20can=20call=20in=20and=20ask=20que=
stions
=20directly=20of=20the=20candidates.=20=20In=20the=20same=20way,=20we=20cou=
ld=20have=20a
=20NABS=20conference=20call=20(or=20a=20series=20of=20them)=20in=20which=20=
we=20introduce
=20candidates=20running=20for=20whatever=20offices=20that=20are=20up=20for=
=20election
=20that=20year.=20=20One=20of=20our=20members=20(preferably=20one=20that=20=
isn't=20
running
=20so=20as=20to=20prevent=20bias)=20and=20can=20ask=20some=20questions=20in=
=20the
=20beginning=20(like=20an=20interview,=20you=20know,=20one=20of=20those=20"=
meet=20the
=20candidate"=20interviews=20that=20they=20have=20on=20the=20radio=20all=20=
the=20time
=20before=20a=20political=20election)=20and=20then=20open=20it=20up=20to=20=
the=20members
=20to=20ask=20the=20candidates=20questions.=20=20That=20way,=20this=20amend=
ment=20could
=20work=20because=20even=20people=20who=20aren't=20going=20to=20convention=
=20are
=20prepared=20to=20make=20their=20decision=20when=20they=20vote=20on=20thei=
r=20absentee
=20ballots.=20=20In=20other=20words,=20let's=20do=20what=20the=20mainstream=
=20American
=20media=20and=20the=20government=20do,=20because=20if=20they=20can=20do=20=
it,=20we=20can
=20too!=20What=20do=20you=20think=20of=20this=20idea?

=20=20Chris

=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abi=
lities=20
motto)
=20To=20learn=20more=20about=20Camp=20Abilities=20and=20find=20a=20local=20=
camp=20near
=20you,=20just=20click=20on=20this=20link=20to=20their=20national=20Web=20s=
ite:
=20www.campabilities.org.

=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20=
in
=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20=
How?=20Click
=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:
=20www.icanfoundation.info.

=20=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2018=20Jun=202011=2023:37:13=20-0600
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20draft=202=20-=20complete=20section=20with=20=
amendment

=20Jorge,
=20=20=20You're=20putting=20this=20out=20in=20the=20open=20for=20public=20s=
crutiny=20so=20I'm
=20going
=20to=20be=20honest.=20=20I=20really,=20really=20don't=20like=20the=20idea-=
it=20opens=20up
=20all
=20sorts=20of=20cans=20of=20worms=20that=20don't=20seem=20right=20to=20me.=
=20=20Consider=20
the
=20following.
=20=20=20We=20probably=20won't=20know=20all=20the=20candidates=20in=20the=20=
election
=20*until*
=20the=20actual=20business=20meeting.=20=20There=20could=20be=20someone=20w=
ho,=20for
=20whatever
=20reason,=20hasn't=20announced=20their=20candidacy=20for=20office=20on=20t=
he=20list.
=20I
=20think=20it's=20only=20fair=20that=20anyone=20who's=20even=20considering=
=20voting=20
in
=20the
=20election=20knows=20who=20all=20candidates=20are=20and=20has=20the=20oppo=
rtunity=20to
=20listen=20to=20each=20introduction=20speech=20(even=20if=20it's=20only=20=
30=20seconds
=20long),=20before=20they=20cast=20their=20ballot.=20=20That's=20only=20fai=
r=20to=20all
=20the
=20candidates=20involved.=20=20I=20would=20consider=20supporting=20an=20ide=
a=20that
=20allows
=20those=20due-paying=20members=20in=20virtual=20attendance=20(through=20an=

=20official
=20NABS=20skype=20call=20or=20the=20like)=20the=20opportunity=20to=20vote.=
=20=20Beyond
=20that,=20I
=20don't=20think=20you=20have=20much=20of=20a=20case.
=20=20=20Also,=20think=20about=20this.=20=20Let's=20say=20you,=20hypothetic=
ally,=20were
=20running
=20for=20NABS=20president.=20=20You=20get=20a=20bunch=20of=20your=20blind=20=
friends=20who
=20aren't
=20going=20to=20convention,=20who=20may=20or=20may=20not=20want=20anything=
=20to=20do=20with
=20the
=20Federation,=20and=20have=20them=20pay=20$5=20so=20they're=20voting=20mem=
bers.=20=20I'm
=20not
=20saying=20you'd=20do=20such=20a=20thing,=20I'm=20just=20saying=20you're=20=
leaving=20
that
=20kind
=20of=20possibility=20open.=20=20No=20matter=20how=20secure=20the=20voting=
=20method=20is,
=20that
=20makes=20this=20something=20that=20could=20happen.=20=20Do=20other=20orga=
nizations
=20open
=20that=20door?=20=20Sure.=20=20Should=20we?=20=20I=20say=20no.
=20=20=20But=20the=20spirit=20behind=20the=20idea=20isn't=20bad.=20=20I=20t=
hink,=20
personally,
=20if
=20we=20could=20ensure=20some=20sort=20of=20secure=20method=20for=20virtual=
=20
attendance
=20at
=20the=20meeting=20for=20those=20due-paying=20members=20who=20can't=20make
=20convention,
=20I'd=20be=20all=20for=20allowing=20them=20to=20vote.=20=20Maybe=20set=20u=
p=20a=20shoutcast
=20server
=20streaming=20the=20meeting,=20and=20only=20give=20the=20password=20to=20t=
hose
=20due-paying
=20members=20who=20request=20it?=20=20Make=20a=20conference=20call=20and=20=
only=20give=20
the
=20calling=20info/access=20code=20for=20those=20due-paying=20members=20who=
=20ask=20
for
=20it?
=20If=20we=20instituted=20a=20system=20like=20that,=20I=20don't=20see=20why=
=20we=20couldn't
=20allow
=20that=20sort=20of=20absentee=20voting,=20but=20only=20for=20those=20who=20=
are=20in
=20virtual
=20attendance=20at=20the=20NABS=20business=20meeting=20and=20not=20for=20an=
yone=20else.
=20Am=20I
=20making=20any=20sense?=20=20Is=20that=20a=20possibility?
=20=20=20All=20the=20best,
=20Kirt

=20On=206/18/11,=20Jorge=20Paez=20<computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>=20wrote=
:
=20=20Arielle:
=20=20Not=20exactly,
=20=20I'm=20going=20to=20continue=20to=20edit=20the=20amendment=20myself=20=
and=20should=20
be
=20able=20to
=20=20submit=20it=20before=20July=20second.
=20=20I=20posted=20this=20version=20so=20that=20people=20could=20see=20my=20=
amendment=20in
=20light=20of=20the
=20=20entire=20section.

=20=20On=20Jun=2018,=202011,=20at=207:59=20PM,=20Arielle=20Silverman=20wrot=
e:

=20=20Jorge,
=20=20Is=20this=20the=20final=20version=20you=20would=20like=20read=20at=20=
the=20NABS
=20meeting=20this
=20=20year?=20Or,=20would=20you=20like=20to=20wait=20until=202012=20when=20=
you=20will=20be=20at
=20=20convention=20yourself=20and=20can=20present=20and=20defend=20it?
=20=20If=20you=20want=20it=20read=20in=202011=20and=20you=20will=20not=20be=
=20at=20convention,
=20you
=20=20will=20need=20to=20find=20someone=20else=20who=20will=20be=20there=20=
to=20read=20and
=20defend
=20=20it.
=20=20Arielle

=20=20On=206/17/11,=20Joseph=20C.=20=20Lininger=20<jbahm at pcdesk.net>=20wrot=
e:
=20=20George,
=20=20I=20hate=20to=20be=20a=20killjoy=20on=20you,=20but=20you're=20probabl=
y=20wasting=20your
=20time
=20=20with=20this.=20=20The=20organization=20isn't=20going=20to=20change=20=
this
=20particular
=20=20policy,=20no=20matter=20how=20many=20people=20would=20like=20to=20see=
=20it=20happen.
=20For=20the
=20=20record,=20I'm=20with=20you=20on=20this=20one,=20but=20I'm=20also=20no=
=20longer=20a
=20federationest
=20=20and=20haven't=20been=20for=20some=20years=20now.=20=20Too=20many=20di=
fferences=20of
=20opinion.
=20=20--
=20=20"All=20models=20are=20wrong,=20but=20some=20are=20useful."=20George=20=
E.=20=20P.=20=20Box
=20=20Joseph=20C.=20=20Lininger,=20<jbahm at pcdesk.net

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=20=20--
=20=20Arielle=20Silverman
=20=20President,=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
=20=20Phone:=20=20602-502-2255
=20=20Email:
=20=20nabs.president at gmail.com
=20=20Website:
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=20--
=20Darian=20Smith

=20=93My=20secret?=20See=20it,=20and=20stay=20focused=20on=20it.=94

=20=97=20Shaquille=20O'Neal

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