[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Thu Jun 23 16:26:32 UTC 2011

Hi=20Anmol,

I=20agree=20completely!=20I'm=20a=20Federationist=20because=20I=20identify=
=20with=20
the=20NFB=20philosophy=20as=20a=20whole=20like=20you,=20but=20my=20personal=
=20rule=20is=20
to=20take=20what=20I=20like=20about=20both=20organizations=20and=20leave=20=
alone=20what=20
I=20don't.=20=20I=20don't=20believe=20in=20attacking=20any=20person=20or=20=
organization=20
because=20of=20political=20differences,=20especially=20those=20that=20were=
=20
apparent=20a=20long=20time=20ago,=20but=20not=20as=20much=20now.=20=20That'=
s=20why=20Jorge,=20
Kirt=20and=20I=20are=20starting=20our=20own=20list=20where=20all=20blind=20=
people=20can=20
talk=20about=20blindness-related=20issues=20without=20partisan=20interferan=
ce=20
on=20either=20end.=20=20This=20list=20will=20be=20on=20Yahoo=20Groups.=20=20=
We're=20going=20
to=20have=20a=20conference=20call=20at=20the=20opening=20of=20the=20list,=20=
which=20will=20
introduce=20interested=20people=20to=20both=20organizations.=20=20We=20will=
=20have=20
representation=20of=20both=20the=20NFB=20and=20ACB=20on=20both=20the=20conf=
erence=20
call=20and=20on=20the=20list.=20=20Please=20feel=20free=20to=20email=20me=20=
off=20list=20at=20
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com=20if=20you=20have=20any=20questions=20about=20the=
=20call=20
or=20the=20list=20or=20would=20like=20to=20join=20us=20in=20setting=20it=20=
up.=20=20I'll=20post=20
information=20here=20about=20the=20conference=20call=20and=20the=20list=20w=
hen=20it=20
gets=20closer=20to=20that=20time.=20=20Hope=20you=20will=20join=20us!

=20Chris

"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=20Abilit=
ies=20motto)
To=20learn=20more=20about=20Camp=20Abilities=20and=20find=20a=20local=20cam=
p=20near=20
you,=20just=20click=20on=20this=20link=20to=20their=20national=20Web=20site=
:=20
www.campabilities.org.

The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20visually=20impaired=20youth=20in=
=20
Maryland=20have=20the=20ability=20to=20confidently=20say=20"I=20can!"=20How=
?=20Click=20
on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to=20contribute:=20
www.icanfoundation.info.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Anmol=20Bhatia=20<anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Wed,=2022=20Jun=202011=2010:46:09=20-0700=20(PDT)
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20[Nfbnet-members-list]=20Threw=20Our=20Eyes=20
interview,Ride=20into=20History,=20Race=20for=20Independence,=20Wed.=20=20J=
une=20
22,=208:00=20pm=20EDT

Kirt,
You=20have=20done=20a=20good=20job=20summarizing=20the=20differences=20betw=
een=20the=20
ACB=20and=20NFB,=20but=20even=20though=20there=20is=20a=20difference=20in=20=

philosophies,=20members=20often=20find=20themselves=20some=20parts=20of=20t=
he=20
philosophie=20of=20the=20other=20organization=20and=20as=20you=20have=20alr=
eady=20
said=20that=20there=20is=20nothing=20wrong=20with=20eather=20philosophies.
I=20happen=20to=20be=20a=20federationest=20because=20I=20agree=20with=20the=
=20central=20
idea=20of=20the=20NFB=20philosophies=20that=20"through=20proper=20training=
=20and=20
education,=20blindness=20can=20become=20a=20meer=20nuisance".=20=20However,=
=20I=20
also=20happen=20to=20support=20many=20of=20the=20ACB=20positions.=20=20For=
=20example,=20I=20
happen=20to=20support=20currency=20accessibility=20because=20=20more=20then=
=20100=20
countries=20have=20currency=20which=20is=20accessible=20for=20the=20blind=20=
and=20it=20
does=20not=20seem=20to=20be=20a=20problem.=20=20Plus=20I=20happen=20that=20=
not=20being=20to=20
identify=20my=20mone=20independently=20is=20an=20asult=20on=20my=20independ=
ence=20and=20
even=20though=20technology=20exist=20to=20help=20me=20identify=20my=20money=
,=20it=20is=20
not=20independence=20because=20it=20depends=20on=20my=20having=20the=20mone=
y=20
identifier=20and=20for=20the=20identifier=20to=20work.=20=20Although=20I=20=
agree=20that=20
a=20blind=20person=20should=20be=20train=20to=20use=20their=20hearing=20and=
=20
understand=20the=20traffic=20patterns,=20but=20having=20audible=20street=20=

signals=20are=20sometimes=20good=20for=20those=20who=20are=20not=20as=20con=
fident=20
with=20their=20mobility=20skills=20and=20it=20does=20not=20hurt=20to=20have=
=20them=20in=20
some=20streets=20particular
=20those=20who=20are=20frequented=20by=20blind=20individuals=20and=20are=20=
busy.=20=20
Basically=20my=20personal=20philosophies=20is=20that=20a=20fine=20combinnat=
ion=20
when=20applicable=20between=20the=20NFB=20philosophies=20=20and=20the=20ACB=
=20
philosophies=20is=20the=20best=20to=20advance=20independence=20and=20
opportunities=20for=20blind=20people.

Great=20discussion=20my=20friend.
Anmol

I=20seldom=20think=20about=20my=20limitations,=20and=20they=20never=20make=
=20me=20sad.=20=20
Perhaps=20there=20is=20just=20a=20touch=20of=20yearning=20at=20times;=20but=
=20it=20is=20
vague,=20like=20a=20breeze=20among=20flowers.
Hellen=20Keller

---=20On=20Wed,=206/22/11,=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>=
=20
wrote:

=20From:=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20[Nfbnet-members-list]=20Threw=20Our=20Eyes=20=

interview,=20Ride=20into=20History,=20Race=20for=20Independence,=20Wed.=20=
=20June=20
22,=208:00=20pm=20EDT
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=
=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date:=20Wednesday,=20June=2022,=202011,=2011:57=20AM
=20Anmol,
=20=A0=20It's=20a=20nice=20thought.=A0=20Maybe=20it'll=20be=20possible,
=20some=20day.=A0=20Never=20say
=20never,=20ri9ght?
=20=A0=20But=20here's=20the=20thing.=A0=20The=20two=20organizations
=20have=20evolved=20two
=20separate=20philosophies=20and=20mindsets.=A0=20I'm=20doing
=20something=20really=20bad
=20and=20generalizing.=A0=20If=20anyone=20who=20knows=20more=20than=20I=20d=
o
=20wants=20to=20correct
=20me=20here,=20feel=20free.
=20=A0=20The=20stance=20the=20ACB=20seems=20to=20take=20more=20often=20than=
=20not
=20is=20to=20make=20the
=20environment=20more=20accessible=20for=20us.=A0=20This=20is=20evidenced
=20by=20their
=20support=20for=20audible=20street=20signals=20(which=20make=20a=20lot=20o=
f
=20sense=20to=20me,
=20I'm=20not=20really=20convinced=20one=20way=20or=20the=20other=20on=20tha=
t=20one
=20yet),
=20tactile=20currency,=20descriptive=20movies,=20the=20provisions=20in=20th=
e
=20ADA=20to
=20make=20ATMs=20accessible,=20the=2021st=20century=20communications=20act,=

=20their
=20support=20for=20Randolph-Shepherd,=20universal=20design=20in
=20technology,=20etc.
=20They=20also=20use=20lots=20of=20their=20resources=20to=20fight
=20descrimination,=20at
=20least=20it=20seems=20that=20way=20to=20me.
=20=A0=20The=20NFB,=20on=20the=20other=20hand,=20seems=20to=20more=20often=
=20than
=20not=20advocate=20us
=20adapting=20to=20the=20environment.=A0=20This=20is=20evidenced=20by=20the=

=20strict
=20standards=20of=20training=20centers,=20pushing=20braille,=20opposition
=20to=20the
=20tactile=20currency=20idea,=20advocacy=20of=20relying=20on=20traffic
=20rather=20than
=20audible=20signals=20(which=20makes=20a=20lot=20of=20sense=20to=20me),=20=
our
=20philosophy
=20that=20with=20the=20right=20training=20and=20opportunity=20we=20can=20co=
mpete
=20on=20an
=20equal=20footing,=20the=20idea=20of=20the=20blind=20driver=20challenge,
=20etc.=A0=20Of=20course
=20the=20NFB=20sometimes=20pushes=20making=20changes=20in=20the=20environme=
nt
=20(technology
=20bill=20of=20rights,=20Help=20America=20Vote=20Act,=20and=20the=20ADA=20w=
hich=20we
=20also
=20supported),=20and=20the=20ACB=20does=20advocate=20for=20quality
=20independence
=20training/O&M.=A0=20But,=20those=20are=20the=20rough
=20philosophies=20of=20the=20two
=20organizations,=20if=20we're=20going=20by=20their=20records.=A0=20Is
=20the=20ACB=20wrong?
=20No,=20I=20don't=20think=20so,=20but=20the=20NFB=20is=20more=20of=20a=20f=
it=20with=20my
=20vision=20of
=20blindness.=A0=20I=20just=20think=20thee=20two=20separate
=20methodoligies=20willkeep=20us
=20from=20ever=20uniting=20as=20one=20group...and=20that's=20ok.=A0=20We
=20all=20have=20the
=20right,=20even=20the=20obligation=20to=20advocate=20for=20ourselves=20and=

=20those=20we
=20represent.=A0=20The=20ACB=20does=20it=20their=20way,=20we=20do=20it
=20ours.=A0=20Sometimes=20there
=20is=20overlap,=20lots=20of=20times=20our=20philosophies=20take=20us=20in
=20different
=20directions=20and=20put=20us=20on=20opposite=20sides=20of=20important
=20issues.=A0=20When=20our
=20aims=20are=20the=20same=20(or=20similar),=20we=20need=20to=20work=20toge=
ther
=20and=20present=20a
=20united=20front.=A0=20When=20we=20are=20at=20odds=20(which=20we=20often
=20are,=20the=20two
=20organizations=20really=20are=20very=20different),=20we=20both=20have=20t=
he
=20right=20to
=20push=20our=20separate=20agendas=20and=20attempt=20to=20get=20our=20polic=
ies
=20implimented.
=20=20Sometimes=20they=20win,=20sometimes=20we=20win,=20that's
=20politics.=A0=20We=20don't=20have
=20to=20be=20bitter=20about=20it=20and,=20on=20the=20personal=20level,=20we=
=20can
=20still=20be=20good
=20friends=20even=20when=20our=20politics=20are=20at=20odds.
=20=A0=20Just=20my=20thoughts,
=20Kirt

=20On=206/22/11,=20Anmol=20Bhatia=20<anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
=20wrote:
=20Kirt,
=20You=20bring=20some=20vary=20valid=20points,=20and=20yes=20we=20have
=20beaten=20the
=20democrats/republicans=20analogy=A0=20to=20death=20but=20it
=20keeps=20coming=20up=20as=20a
=20comparison,=20so=20I=20will=20just=20say=20one=20thing=20about=20this.=20=
=20I
=20may=20have=20already=20said
=20this=20before=20on=20the=20list,=20but=20please=20furgive=20me=20if=20I
=20have.=20=20The=20blind
=20community=20is=20a=20to=20small=20of=20a=20community=20to=20be=20divided=

=20on=20partizen=20lines=20like
=20democrats=20and=20republicans,=20and=20our=20challenges=20are=20to
=20great=20to=20be=20divided
=20like=20democrats=20and=20republicans.=20=20Sure=20there=20will=20be
=20differences=20between
=20members=20of=20the=20ACB=20and=20members=20of=20the=20NFB=20on=20how
=20business=20should=20be
=20conducted,=20but=20honestly=20there=20differences=20between
=20members=20of=20each
=20organization=20on=20how=20their=20organization=20should=20do
=20business.
=20True=20there=20were=20disagreement=20on=20how=20business=20should
=20and=20leadership=20issues
=20causing=20the=20split=20between=20the=20NFB=20and=20ACB,=20I=20consider
=20the=20leadership=20issues
=20to=20be=20pitty=20differences.=20=20Often=20when=20one=20candidate
=20loses,=20they=20and=20their
=20supporters=20go=20and=20form=20their=20on=20organization=20or
=20chapter.=20=20This=20happened=20at=20my
=20local=20NFB=20chapter=20and=20as=20a=20result=20we=20have=20two=20NFB
=20chapters=20in=20a=20small=20town.
=20Now=20some=20may=20consider=20this=20to=20be=20a=20good=20thing,=20but
=20think=20about=20how=20much=20more
=20we=20can=20achieve=20if=20we=20were=20one=20NFB=20chapter=20in
=20Fayetteville=20in=20recruiting,
=20fund=20raising=20and=20my=20volunteers=20for=20events.=20=20In
=20addition,=20these=20types=20of
=20childish=20arguements=20causes=20many=20blind=20people=20who
=20otherwise=20may=20be=20involved
=20in=20a=20blind=20organization=20to=20be=20a=20"fense=20sitters".=20=20No=
w
=20using=20this=20analogy=A0=20to
=20NFB=20ACB,=20ACB=20does=20not=20have=20near=20the=20funds=20that=20NFB
=20has,=20but=20they=20are=20not
=20poor=20eather.=20=20Their=20attendence=20is=20not=20as=20large=20at=20th=
e
=20conventions,=20but=20it=20is
=20not=20small=20eather.=20=20Think=20if=20both=20of=20these=20organization=
s
=20were=20together=20how
=A0=20much=20more=20money=20we=20would=20have=20to=20do=20policy=20that
=20each=20organization=20does=20or
=20the=20advocacy=20work=20that=20each=A0=20organization=20does,
=20and=20think=20about=20how=20much
=20larger=20the=20convention=20would=20be.=20=20We=20would=20pack=20two
=20hotels=20full=20or=20near=20full.
=20In=20addition,=20think=20about=20how=20much=20venders=20would=20be
=20giving=20out=20in=20prizes
=20because=20now=20insteading=20having=20to=20spend=20money=20to=20send
=20their=20workers=20to=20two
=20convention,=20they=20will=20only=20have=20to=20send=20their=20workers
=20to=20one=20convention.=20=20In
=20addition,=20most=20venders=20give=20out=20big=20prizes=20at=20each
=20convention=20and=20if=20there
=20was=20only=20one=20convention,=20they=20can=20give=20two=20prizes.
=20However,=20you=20are=20right=20in=20that=20realistically=20the=20two
=20organizations=20will=20not
=20merge=20any=20time=20soon.

=20best=20wishes,
=20Anmol
=20I=20seldom=20think=20about=20my=20limitations,=20and=20they=20never
=20make=20me=20sad.=20=20Perhaps
=20there=20is=20just=20a=20touch=20of=20yearning=20at=20times;=20but=20it=20=
is
=20vague,=20like=20a=20breeze
=20among=20flowers.
=20Hellen=20Keller

=20---=20On=20Tue,=206/21/11,=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.co=
m
=20wrote:

=20From:=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20[Nfbnet-members-list]=20Threw
=20Our=20Eyes=20interview,=20Ride
=20into=20History,=20Race=20for=20Independence,=20Wed.=20=20June=2022,
=208:00=20pm=20EDT
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date:=20Tuesday,=20June=2021,=202011,=202:51=20PM
=20Anmol,
=20=A0=20I=20don't=20really=20see=20a=20merger=20happening=20any=20time
=20soon,
=20nor=20would=20I
=20want=20it=20to.=A0=20We've=20all=20beaten=20the
=20democrat/republican
=20analogy=20to
=20death...but=20imagine=20Barack=20Obama=20and=20Mitt=20Romney
=20in=20the
=20same=20political
=20party.=A0=20It=20just=20wouldn't=20work.=A0=20There=20are=20huge
=20differences.=A0=20It
=20doesn't=20make=20the=20NFB=20better=20for=20everyone,=20but=20it
=20makes=20the
=20NFB=20better
=20for=20me.=A0=20I=20have=20lots=20of=20respect=20for=20my=20friends=20in
=20the
=20ACB=20who=20stand=20up
=20and=20fight=20for=20their=20agenda.=A0=20Lots=20of=20the=20times,
=20it's
=20the=20same=20as=20mine.
=A0=20When=20it's=20not,=20we=20can=20talk=20without=20being
=20jackasses=20to=20each
=20other=20and,
=20in=20a=20lot=20of=20cases,=20the=20disagreement=20actually
=20strengthens
=20our
=20friendship.
=20=A0=20I=20say=20diversity=20is=20good,=20competition=20is=20good,
=20we
=20need=20a=20free=20market
=20of=20ideas.=A0=20I=20respect=20ACB=20and=20the=20sincere=20people
=20there
=20trying=20to=20make
=20the=20lives=20of=20blind=20people=20better.=A0=20I=20happen=20to
=20find
=20the=20Federation
=20philosophy=20and=20method=20more=20meaningful=20for=20me.=A0=20I
=20want
=20to=20understand
=20the=20split.=A0=20From=20the=20little=20bit=20of=20studying=20I've
=20done,
=20I=20don't=20really
=20think=20it=20was=20petty=20personal=20differences=20but
=20rather
=20differing
=20philosophies=20about=20methodology=20and=20leadership=20that
=20drove
=20the=20two
=20groups=20to=20separate.=A0=20We=20can=20be=20different=20without
=20being
=20petty.=A0=20We=20can
=20disagree=20without=20being=20bigots.=A0=20When=20our=20two
=20organizations=20come=20down
=20on=20opposite=20sides=20of=20important=20issues,=20as=20we=20often
=20do,=20we
=20need=20not=20be
=20arrogant=20or=20self-rightious=20because=20we=20think=20we're
=20right.=A0=20The=20fact=20is,
=20we=20disagree.=A0=20And=20I=20think=20the=20disagreements=20are
=20too
=20central=20to=20our
=20respective=20organizations=20for=20us=20to=20ever=20become
=20one.
=20But=20that=20doesn't
=20mean=20we=20can't=20be=20friends,=20especially=20on=20a=20personal
=20level.
=20=A0=20Best,
=20Kirt

=20On=206/21/11,=20Anmol=20Bhatia=20<anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
=20wrote:
=20Kirt,
=20You=20are=20bringing=20up=20some=20vary=20good=20points...
=20Understanding=20the=20history=20of
=20the=20NFB=20and=20ACB=20is=20an=20import=20part=20in=20the
=20history=20in
=20the=20blind=20movement=20and
=20an=20important=20part=20in=20the=20history=20of=20two
=20organizations.
=20Frankly=20in=20it=20is=20just
=20my=20oppinion=20both=20organizations=20bring=20value
=20and=20have
=20and=20continue=20to=20make=20a
=20difference=20for=20blind=20people=20across=20America=20on
=20a=20daily
=20bases.=20=20It=20is=20a=20shame
=20that=20this=20split=20happened=20and=20just=20maybe=20the
=20next
=20generation=20of=20blind
=20individuals=20our=20generation=20or=20those=20who=20are
=20younger
=20then=20can=20bring=20the=20two
=20organizations=20together=20once=20again.=20=20Now=20this
=20is=20just=20my
=20translation=20and=20my
=20oppinion,=20but=A0=20it=20seems=20to=20me=20that=20the=20NFB
=20ACB
=20split=20happened=20over=20pitty
=20differences=20and=20two=20individuals=20with
=20different=20ideas
=20fighting=20for=20power.=20=20It
=20seems=20to=20me=20that=20the=20hate=20the=20two
=20organizations=20have
=20towards=20each=20other=20is
=20not=20as=20strong=20amongest=20this=20generation.
=20Infact=20many
=20members=20of=20NABS=20of=20ACB
=20and=20NABS=20of=20NFB=20are=20friends=20in=20life=20and
=20attack=20on=20the
=20other=20organization=20is
=A0=20usually=20not=20allow=20on=20each=20organization's
=20mailing
=20list.
=20Dave,=20you=20are=20right=20that=20ACB=20does=20not=20have
=20the=20same
=20amount=20of=20people
=20attending=20its'=20convention,=20but=20their
=20attendence=20is=20not
=20small=20eather.=20=20I=20would
=20guess=201500=20attend=20the=20ACB=20convention=20and=20all
=20the=20major
=20venders=20who=20attend
=20the=20NFB=20convention=20attend=20the=20ACB=20convention.
=20There
=20are=20also=20quite=20a=20few
=20young=20people=20who=20attend=20the=20ACB=20convention.
=20Yes=20ACB=20does=20its'=20business=20different=20then
=20NFB,=20but
=20thats=20why=20they=20are=20a
=20different=20organization.=20=20However,=20this=20does
=20not=20make
=20them=20any=20worse=20or=20better
=20then=20the=20NFB.
=20Just=20my=20thoughts=20and=20it=20would=20be=20great=20if=20we
=20keep=20the
=20attacks=20on=20each
=20organization=20to=20as=20less=20as=20possible.

=20Anmol

=20I=20seldom=20think=20about=20my=20limitations,=20and=20they
=20never
=20make=20me=20sad.=20=20Perhaps
=20there=20is=20just=20a=20touch=20of=20yearning=20at=20times;
=20but=20it=20is
=20vague,=20like=20a=20breeze
=20among=20flowers.
=20Hellen=20Keller

=20---=20On=20Tue,=206/21/11,=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.co=
m
=20wrote:

=20From:=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]
=20[Nfbnet-members-list]=20Threw
=20Our=20Eyes=20interview,=20Ride
=20into=20History,=20Race=20for=20Independence,=20Wed.
=20June=2022,
=208:00=20pm=20EDT
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind
=20Students
=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date:=20Tuesday,=20June=2021,=202011,=2012:25=20PM
=20Dave,
=20=A0=20How=20long=20ago=20was=20this?=A0=20Things
=20could've
=20changed
=20since=20you=20last=20went
=20if=20it's=20been=20a=20while,=20maybe?=A0=20And,=20with
=20respect,
=20this
=20is=20a=20big=20deal=20to
=20a=20lot=20of=20us.=A0=20I=20know=20for=20me=20it's=20a=20lot
=20more=20than
=20a
=20"small
=20consideration",=20I=20like=20to=20know=20the=20past
=20as=20much=20as
=20I=20can
=20because=20it
=20shaped=20the=20here=20and=20now.=A0=20I=20can=20read=20the
=20books
=20put=20out
=20by=20each
=20organization-they=20probably=20both=20have=20lots
=20of=20the
=20truth
=20intermingled
=20with=20their=20respective=20agendas.=A0=20But
=20nothing
=20beats
=20talking=20to=20people
=20who=20have=20studied=20the=20issues=20or,
=20preferably,=20people
=20who=20were
=20actually
=20there.
=20=A0=20All=20the=20best,
=20Kirt

=20On=206/21/11,=20David=20Andrews=20<dandrews at visi.com
=20wrote:
=20The=20two=20biggest=20things=20I=20noticed=20at
=20an=20ACB
=20national
=20convention=20were
=20that=20the=20crowd=20was=20considerably
=20smaller=20than
=20that=20at=20a
=20NFB=20convention
=20--=20less=20exhibits=20etc.=20=20too.=A0=20The
=20second
=20things=20was
=20that=20there=20were=20few
=20young=20persons=20--=20some=20but=20noticeably
=20not
=20very
=20many.=A0=20One=20of=20the=20major
=20things=20that=20the=20ACB=20has=20pushed=20in
=20the=20past=20is
=20that=20it
=20is=20different
=20from=20the=20NFB,=20it=20does=20things
=20differently
=20etc.
=20This=20doesn't=20really
=20matter=20to=20younger=20people=20though,=20so
=20they=20have
=20little
=20reason=20to=20join,=20so
=20don't.

=20You=20guys=20can=20spend=20lots=20of=20time=20on
=20the
=20history,=20and
=20differences=20if
=20you=20want=20--=20but=20what=20is=20the=20point.=A0
=20It
=20happened,
=20it=20is=20over=20with=20and
=20done.=A0=20Yes=20we=20can=20and=20should=20learn
=20from=20our
=20history,=20but=20it=20is=20just
=20one=20small=20consideration.

=20Dave

=20At=2011:32=20AM=206/20/2011,=20you=20wrote:
Dave,
=A0=A0=A0I=20do=20see=20your=20point.=A0
=20Those
=20alive=20at=20the=20time=20are=20not,=20and=20will
probabluy=20never=20be=20friends.=A0
=20Heck,
=20getting
=20them=20to=20actually=20talk=20in
peace=20would=20be=20the=20achievement=20of
=20the
=20century!=A0=A0=A0if=20such=20a=20call=20were
to=20hypothetically=20happen,=20how
=20could=20we
=20keep=20it=20from
=20opening=20old=20wounds
and=20stoking=20old=20fires?
=A0=A0=A0Best,
Kirt

On=206/20/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20<dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
=20wrote:
=20Dave,

=20Our=20joint=20conference=20call
=20isn't
=20associated
=20whatsoever=20with=20the
=20proposition=20of=20a=20change=20in
=20the=20NFB
=20bylaw.=A0=20If=20I'm=20setting=20this
=20up,=20which=20it=20appears=20I=20am,
=20I=20didn't
=20even=20have
=20the=20intention=20of
=20mentioning=20that=20proposition
=20on=20the
=20call.=A0=20The=20call's=20purpose=20is
=20to=20learn=20the=20history=20of=20the
=20NFB/ACB,
=20with=20a
=20little=20emphasis=20on
=20the=20"civil=20war"=20period,
=20from=20both
=20sides=20so=20we
=20are=20informed.=A0=20I
=20also=20want=20this=20call=20to
=20start=20a
=20discussion=20on
=20the=20history=20of=20our
=20movement=20and=20what=20we=20can
=20learn=20from
=20it,=20not
=20only=20as
=20Federationists,=20but=20as
=20blind
=20students.
=20Jorge=20and=20I=20have=20found
=20some=20ways=20that=20we=20can=20hold
=20the=20call
=20without
=20making=20it=20a=20NABS
=20membership=20call,=20if=20it=20is
=20entirely
=20necessary.=A0=20And=20as=20to=20your
=20comments=20about=20them=20not
=20being=20our
=20friends,
=20then=20using=20your
=20argument,=20the=20Republicans
=20should=20not
=20hear=20the
=20Democrats=20point=20of
=20view=20in=20meetings=20of
=20Congress,=20but
=20the=20two
=20parties=20should=20be
=20separated=20from=20each=20other
=20for=20fear
=20of=20their
=20own=20side=20being
=20attacked.=A0=20We=20can=20keep=20our
=20same
=20opinions,=20and=20probably=20many
=20Federationists=20and=20Council
=20members
=20who=20attend
=20this=20call=20will.
=20This=20is=20just=20a=20way=20that=20we
=20can=20be
=20more
=20informed=20when=20forming
=20these=20opinions.

=A0=20Chris

=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a
=20loss=20of
=20vision!"
=20(Camp=20Abilities=20motto)
=20To=20learn=20more=20about=20Camp
=20Abilities
=20and=20find=20a
=20local=20camp=20near
=20you,=20just=20click=20on=20this
=20link=20to
=20their
=20national=20Web=20site:
=20www.campabilities.org.

=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=A0=20Foundation
=20helps
=20visually
=20impaired=20youth=20in
=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability
=20to
=20confidently=20say
=20"I=20can!"=20How?=20Click
=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more
=20and=20to
=20contribute:
=20www.icanfoundation.info.

=A0=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote

=A0=20-----=20Original=20Message
=20-----
=20From:=20David=20Andrews=20<dandrews at visi.com
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of
=20Blind
=20Students
=20mailing=20list
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2019=20Jun=202011
=2020:39:01
=20-0500
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]
=20[Nfbnet-members-list]
=20Threw=20Our=20Eyes
=20interview,Ride=20into
=20History,=20Race
=20for
=20Independence,=20Wed.=A0=20June
=2022,=208:00=20pm=20EDT

=20Chris:

=20I=20don't=20want=20to=20friend
=20anyone=20--=20but
=20I=20think
=20this=20is=20a=20terrible
=20idea!=A0=20Remember=20the=20ACB
=20split=20off
=20from
=20the=20NFB=20because=20they
=20thought
=20that=20we=20were=20all=20wrong,=20did
=20our
=20business=20in
=20the=20wrong=20way=20etc.=A0=20I
=20am
=20not=20going=20to=20say=20that=20we
=20can't=20learn
=20anything
=20from=20the=20ACB,=20but
=20not=20a
=20history=20lesson.=A0=20I=20was=20at
=20a=20ACb
=20National
=20Convention=20a=20few=20years
=20ago
=20--=20and=20heard=20the=20NFB
=20attacked=20openly
=20and
=20indirectly.=A0=20These=20folks
=20are
=20not=20our=20friends.=A0=20We=20can
=20work
=20jointly=20at
=20times,=20and=20should,=20and=20I
=20don't=20think=20we=20should=20be
=20against
=20them,=20for
=20the=20sake=20of=20it,=20as
=20some=20of
=20my=20old-timer=20friends=20are=20--
=20but=20a
=20joint
=20conference=20call=20on
=20consideration=20of=20a=20change
=20to=20a=20NFB
=20division
=20bylaw=20is=20going=20to
=20far!

=20Dave

=20At=2012:53=20PM=206/19/2011,=20you
=20wrote:
=20Kirt,

=20I=20have=20a=20friend=20in=20the
=20Council=20that
=20I=20will
=20see=20Monday=20night,=20so=20I
=20plan=20to=20give=20this=20idea=20to
=20him=20and
=20ask=20if=20he
=20knows=20someone=20in=20the
=20Council=20that=20would=20be
=20knowledgeable
=20enough
=20and=20willing=20to=20attend
=20this=20call=20on=20behalf=20of=20the
=20Council
=20as=20an
=20expert=20on=20their=20history.
=20Maybe=20it=20would=20be=20better=20if
=20someone
=20like=20me
=20moderated.=A0=20Keep=20in
=20mind
=20that=20I=20did=20volunteer,=20but
=20I'm=20not
=20degrading
=20anyone=20else,=20I'm=20just
=20using=20myself=20as=20an=20example
=20here.
=20I'm=20a
=20member=20of=20the=20Federation,
=20but=20I'm=20not=20a=20hard-line
=20"NFB=20is
=20good,=20ACB
=20bad"=20person,=20so=20I
=20wouldn't
=20show=20any=20bias=20to=20NFB=20or
=20ACB.=A0=20I
=20also=20am
=20not=20currently=20a
=20contributing
=20(due-paying)=20member=20of
=20NABS,=20so=20I'm
=20not=20a
=20leader=20in=20it=20of
=20course.=A0=20That=20way,=20we
=20wouldn't=20have
=20any
=20bias.
=20I=20think=20it=20would=20be=20easy=20to
=20have=20it
=20jointly
=20attended=20even=20if=20it's
=20an
=20official=20NABS=20call.=A0=20If=20we
=20have=20a
=20representative=20of=20ACB=20on=20the
=20call,
=20we=20could=20probably=20easily
=20get=20other
=20members=20of
=20ACB=20on=20the=20call=20to
=20kind=20of=20back=20up=20or=20add=20to
=20that
=20guest
=20speaker's=20information.
=20Thoughts?

=20Chris

=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a
=20loss=20of
=20vision!"
=20(Camp=20Abilities=20motto)
=20To=20learn=20more=20about=20Camp
=20Abilities
=20and=20find=20a
=20local=20camp=20near
=20you,
=20just=20click=20on=20this=20link=20to
=20their
=20national=20Web
=20site:
=20www.campabilities.org.

=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=A0=20Foundation
=20helps
=20visually
=20impaired=20youth=20in
=20Maryland
=20have=20the=20ability=20to
=20confidently=20say
=20"I=20can!"
=20How?=20Click=20on=20this
=20link
=20to=20learn=20more=20and=20to
=20contribute:
=20www.icanfoundation.info.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote

=20-----=20Original=20Message
=20-----
=20From:=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of
=20Blind
=20Students
=20mailing=20list
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2019=20Jun=202011
=2000:45:08
=20-0600
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]
=20[Nfbnet-members-list]
=20Threw=20Our=20Eyes
=20interview,Ride=20into
=20History,=20Race
=20for
=20Independence,=20Wed.=A0=20June
=2022,=208:00=20pm=20EDT

=20Carley,
=A0=A0=A0The=20two=20organizations
=20don't
=20really=20claim=20to=20be=20"friends"=20as
=20such-it
=20seems=20like=20now=20they=20just
=20mostly
=20ignore=20each
=20other,=20work=20jointly
=20when
=20their=20agendas=20converge=20and
=20play
=20politics=20when
=20they=20don't.=A0=20Maybe
=20they
=20aren't=20enemies,=20but=20the
=20official
=20organizations=20don't=20really
=20advertise
=20themselves=20as=20friends.
=A0=A0=A0While=20it=20would=20be
=20great=20to
=20have=20people=20from=20both=20organizations
=20participate=20in=20a=20joint
=20call,=20I=20don't
=20see=20it
=20happening.=A0=20Here's
=20hoping
=20though,=20I=20guess=A0=20It's
=20certainly=20a
=20nice
=20thought-although,=20if=20the
=20call
=20were=20to=20have=20presentations
=20from
=20members=20of
=20both=20organizations,=20it
=20probably=20should=20be=20jointly
=20moderated
=20and
=20attended.=A0=20The=20NFB=20(or
=20probably=20even=20NABS)=20would,
=20I'm
=20betting,=20not
=20be=20inclined=20to=20go
=20there.
=20So=20maybe=20we'll=20have=20better
=20luck
=20going=20through
=20unnoficial=20channels
=20and
=20setting=20this=20up=20on=20our
=20own?=A0=20No
=20need=20to
=20make=20it=20an=20official=20event
=20for
=20either=20the=20Federation=20or
=20the
=20Council-I=20think
=20it's=20safe=20to=20say
=20that
=20idea=20was=20doomed=20to=20fail
=20before=20it
=20was=20brought
=20up.
=A0=A0=A0Best,
=20Kirt

=20On=206/18/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum
=20<dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
=20wrote:
=20And,=20as=20I=20said=20before,=20I
=20would=20be
=20very
=20willing=20to=20moderate=20this
=20call.=A0=20Please=20keep=20me
=20posted!

=A0=A0=A0Chris

=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a
=20loss=20of
=20vision!"
=20(Camp=20Abilities=20motto)
=20To=20learn=20more=20about=20Camp
=20Abilities
=20and=20find=20a
=20local=20camp=20near
=20you,=20just=20click=20on=20this
=20link=20to
=20their
=20national=20Web=20site:
=20www.campabilities.org.

=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=A0=20Foundation
=20helps
=20visually
=20impaired=20youth=20in
=20Maryland=20have=20the=20ability
=20to
=20confidently=20say
=20"I=20can!"=20How?=20Click
=20on=20this=20link=20to=20learn=20more
=20and=20to
=20contribute:
=20www.icanfoundation.info.

=A0=A0=A0Sent=20from=20my
=20BrailleNote

=A0=A0=A0-----=20Original
=20Message
=20-----
=20From:=20Ignasi=20Cambra=20<ignasicambra at gmail.com
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of
=20Blind
=20Students
=20mailing=20list
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2018=20Jun=202011
=2018:51:04
=20-0400
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]
=20[Nfbnet-members-list]
=20Threw=20Our=20Eyes
=20interview,Ride=20into
=20History,=20Race
=20for
=20Independence,=20Wed.=A0=20June
=2022,=208:00=20pm=20EDT

=20This=20call=20would=20be=20very
=20interesting
=20indeed.=A0=20If=20representatives
=20from=20both=20organizations=20are
=20willing
=20to
=20participate,=20it=20can=20really
=20be=20productive=20in=20many
=20ways.
=20On=20Jun=2018,=202011,=20at=201:46
=20PM,=20Carly
=20Mihalakis
=20wrote:

=A0=A0=A0Good=20morning,=20list,

=A0=A0=A0A=20few=20days=20ago,
=20someone=20on
=20the=20NABS=20list=A0=20suggested=20a
=20conference
=20call=20bringing=20clarity=20to=20a
=20younger
=20generation.=A0=20What,=20exactly,=20is
=20the=20history=20of=20the
=20ideological
=20parting=20of
=20ways,=20between=20the
=20Federation=20and=20the=20Council?
=20Does
=20anybody=20know
=20today,=20the=20history
=20of=20this=20division=20or=20is=20it=20a
=20product
=20of=20sheer
=20habit=20as=20is=20the=20case
=20with=20Republicans=20and
=20Democrats?=20If
=20such=20a
=20meeting=20of=20both
=20entities=20were=20to=20take
=20place,=20There
=20ought=20to
=20be=20representation=20of
=20both=20organizations=A0=20so
=20that=20a
=20wholistic
=20portrait=20of=20this=20issue
=20can=20be=20exercised.

=A0=A0=A0and=20its=20split=20from
=20the
=20ACB.=A0=20This=20seems=20like=20a=20productive=20and
=20enlightening=20discussion=20but
=20I
=20wonder,=20if=20the
=20Federation=20and=20the
=20council=20claim=20to=20be
=20friends,=20should
=20there=20not
=20be=20representation
=20from=20both=A0=A0=A0sides,
=20identifying
=20their=20position=20and=20whereabouts
=20they=20stand,=20in=20this?=20At
=A0=A0=A0----=20Original=20Message
=20------
=A0=A0=A0From:=20"Joe=20Ruffalo"
=20<nfbnj at yahoo.com
=20(by=20way=20of=20David
=20Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
=A0=A0=A0Subject:
=20[Nfbnet-members-list]=20Thru=20Our=20Eyes
=20interview,
=20Ride
=20into=20History,Race=20for
=20Independence,
=20Wed.=A0=20June=2022,=208:00=20pm=20EDT
=A0=A0=A0Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2017=20Jun
=202011
=2019:26:45=20-0500

=A0=A0=A0Save=20The=20Date:

=A0=A0=A0On=20Wednesday,=20June
=2022,at
=208:00=20pm=20eastern,=20Thru=20Our=20Eyes=20host,
=20Joe
=A0=A0=A0Ruffalo=20will
=20interview
=20Parnell=20Diggs,=20chair=20of=20the=20Imagination
=20Fund,
=A0=A0=A0Race=20for
=20Independence.

=A0=A0=A0The=20interview=20will
=20highlight
=20current=20and=20past=20grants=20awarded=20to
=20state
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