[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Mon Jun 13 00:42:42 UTC 2011

Hi, Jedi,

         I believe that a totally enriching  idea, making a 
connection between those who were Federation leaders in past 
generations with  those to whom the torch of leadership has been 
passed, for a purpose of learning from the real eyewitness accounts 
of those who were actually THERE!
I would be interested to know if others  believe this such a 
constructive and wholistic idea, as I?

I believe wrappin' about "cluttering" the List is nonsense. Do we not 
know where our delete keys are, or what?
for today,
Car05:15 PM 6/12/2011, Jedi wrote:
>David,
>
>I have to agree that a discussion on the organizational split might 
>actually be appropriate for this list. Yes, our list's mission is to 
>talk about student issues. At the same time, it is also understood 
>that the student organization represents future leadership. We also 
>talk about philosophical issues that may or may not have anything to 
>do with student status exactly. A discussion on the organizational 
>split is a useful education. How can future leaders learn how to 
>lead the organization if there isn't much education on where we've 
>been? I'm not suggesting that no education is currently present, i'm 
>only suggesting that this list is a great venue for seasoned 
>Federationists to explore our history with newcomers and future leaders.
>
>I suggest that the article from the Braille Forum be reattached (I 
>got a bunch of weirdness when I opened the file) with a similar 
>article from the Federation's viewpoint With that said, readers can 
>see both sides. If the discussion has enough interest, we could move 
>it off list to a conference call so as not to clutter the space with 
>too many messages. During such a call, NFB leaders and historians 
>could answer any questions posed to them by the student body while 
>shairing their unique perspectives as individuals who either lived 
>during the split or lived during the early years after the split.
>
>What do you think about this possibility?
>
>Respectfully,
>Jedi
>
>Original message:
>>I am not trying to sensor anything just keep each list on the topics
>>for which it was intended.  And ... the history was that people broke
>>away from the NFB in the early 1960's and formed the ACB because they
>>disagreed with the way things were done by us.
>
>>Dave
>
>>At 08:21 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>>>Hi,
>
>>>We've often wondered a same thing what is the history of such a beef
>>>between the consumer organizations.
>>>There, in my opinion, ought not be censorship, here!
>>>Car:
>>>>David,
>>>>   I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication of
>>>>the American Council of the Blind, so there might be legal/ethical
>>>>issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels.  But I am
>>>>slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
>>>>circulating an issue of the braille Monitor  describing the split in
>>>>terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this list?"
>>>>   Sincerely,
>>>>Kirt
>
>>>>On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>David:
>>>>>With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?
>
>>>>>After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
>>>>opposing view
>>>>>is he?
>>>>>Is he telling us to join the ACB?
>>>>>No, and I take that as harmless.
>
>>>>>Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be brought up by
>>>>>future leaders anyway?
>
>>>>>Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of the
>>>>>organization, but what we stand fore because as the world evolves, so must
>>>>>our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
>>>>say we will
>>>>>follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
>>>>our aim--and
>>>>>we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
>>>>principles of
>>>>>blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.
>
>>>>>You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
>>>>and are we not
>>>>>open to discussion on this?
>>>>>Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
>>>>>are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
>>>>is a hidden
>>>>>threat in reading a politically contrary paper?
>
>>>>>I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
>>>>>but just once won't hurt anyone will it?
>
>
>>>>>Jorge
>
>
>>>>>On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>
>>>>>>Chris:
>
>>>>>>While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is inappropriate,
>>>>>>and not in step with the purpose of this list.  This is not a debating
>>>>>>society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille Forum.  This
>>>>>>list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding of the
>>>>>>ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.
>
>>>>>>David Andrews, List Owner
>
>
>
>>>>>>At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>Hmm...  that's interesting.  Well, I went out of my comfort
>>>>zone a little
>>>>>>>and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum (ACB's
>>>>>>>magazine) by email.  I will attach this month's Braille Forum.  Although
>>>>>>>a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in Reno,
>>>>>>>please especially take time to read the President's Message column from
>>>>>>>Mitch Pomerantz.  You'll see there what he says about the NFB and Dr.
>>>>>>>TenBroek and Dr.
>>>>>>>Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the United
>>>>>>>States.  What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot too much?
>>>>>>>Oh heck...  another little debate won't hurt.  * Smile!
>
>
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