[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Mon Jun 13 00:54:28 UTC 2011

problem is that the doc wasn't translated correctly.

But, at the risk of getting in deep trouble with David,
I'll post the .doc version tomorrow.

On Jun 12, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Josh Gregory wrote:

> Hi, what about people that use pcs? I think a doc format would do, there.  Well that or rtf.
> Best,
> Josh
> 
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:30:07 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others
> 
> Certainly.
> Also: the document will work, but only in its original brf form.
> 
> 
> On Jun 12, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Jedi wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> I have to agree that a discussion on the organizational split might actually be appropriate for this list.  Yes, our list's mission is to talk about student issues.  At the same time, it is also understood that the student organization represents future leadership.  We also talk about philosophical issues that may or may not have anything to do with student status exactly.  A discussion on the organizational split is a useful education.  How can future leaders learn how to lead the organization if there isn't much education on where we've been? I'm not suggesting that no education is currently present, i'm only suggesting that this list is a great venue for seasoned Federationists to explore our history with newcomers and future leaders.
> 
> I suggest that the article from the Braille Forum be reattached (I got a bunch of weirdness when I opened the file) with a similar article from the Federation's viewpoint With that said, readers can see both sides.  If the discussion has enough interest, we could move it off list to a conference call so as not to clutter the space with too many messages.  During such a call, NFB leaders and historians could answer any questions posed to them by the student body while shairing their unique perspectives as individuals who either lived during the split or lived during the early years after the split.
> 
> What do you think about this possibility?
> 
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
> 
> Original message:
> I am not trying to sensor anything just keep each list on the topics
> for which it was intended.  And ...  the history was that people broke
> away from the NFB in the early 1960's and formed the ACB because they
> disagreed with the way things were done by us.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 08:21 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We've often wondered a same thing what is the history of such a beef
> between the consumer organizations.
> There, in my opinion, ought not be censorship, here!
> Car:
> David,
> I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication of
> the American Council of the Blind, so there might be legal/ethical
> issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels.  But I am
> slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
> circulating an issue of the braille Monitor  describing the split in
> terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this list?"
> Sincerely,
> Kirt
> 
> On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
> David:
> With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?
> 
> After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
> opposing view
> is he?
> Is he telling us to join the ACB?
> No, and I take that as harmless.
> 
> Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be brought up by
> future leaders anyway?
> 
> Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of the
> organization, but what we stand fore because as the world evolves, so must
> our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
> say we will
> follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
> our aim--and
> we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
> principles of
> blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.
> 
> You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
> and are we not
> open to discussion on this?
> Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
> are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
> is a hidden
> threat in reading a politically contrary paper?
> 
> I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
> but just once won't hurt anyone will it?
> 
> 
> Jorge
> 
> 
> On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> 
> Chris:
> 
> While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is inappropriate,
> and not in step with the purpose of this list.  This is not a debating
> society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille Forum.  This
> list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding of the
> ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.
> 
> David Andrews, List Owner
> 
> 
> 
> At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
> Hmm...  that's interesting.  Well, I went out of my comfort
> zone a little
> and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum (ACB's
> magazine) by email.  I will attach this month's Braille Forum.  Although
> a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in Reno,
> please especially take time to read the President's Message column from
> Mitch Pomerantz.  You'll see there what he says about the NFB and Dr.
> TenBroek and Dr.
> Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the United
> States.  What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot too much?
> Oh heck...  another little debate won't hurt.  * Smile!
> 
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