[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

Kirt Manwaring kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Mon Jun 13 17:28:39 UTC 2011


If such a thing were set up, I'd do my best to attend as long as it
didn't conflict with anything super important.  *grin*

On 6/13/11, Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Jedi
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:16 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others
>
> David,I like that idea.
> Rania,
>
> I have to agree that a discussion on the organizational split might
> actually be appropriate for this list. Yes, our list's mission is to
> talk about student issues. At the same time, it is also understood that
> the student organization represents future leadership. We also talk
> about philosophical issues that may or may not have anything to do with
> student status exactly. A discussion on the organizational split is a
> useful education. How can future leaders learn how to lead the
> organization if there isn't much education on where we've been? I'm not
> suggesting that no education is currently present, i'm only suggesting
> that this list is a great venue for seasoned Federationists to explore
> our history with newcomers and future leaders.
>
> I suggest that the article from the Braille Forum be reattached (I got
> a bunch of weirdness when I opened the file) with a similar article
> from the Federation's viewpoint With that said, readers can see both
> sides. If the discussion has enough interest, we could move it off list
> to a conference call so as not to clutter the space with too many
> messages. During such a call, NFB leaders and historians could answer
> any questions posed to them by the student body while shairing their
> unique perspectives as individuals who either lived during the split or
> lived during the early years after the split.
>
> What do you think about this possibility?
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Original message:
>> I am not trying to sensor anything just keep each list on the topics
>> for which it was intended.  And ... the history was that people broke
>> away from the NFB in the early 1960's and formed the ACB because they
>> disagreed with the way things were done by us.
>
>> Dave
>
>> At 08:21 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>>> Hi,
>
>>> We've often wondered a same thing what is the history of such a beef
>>> between the consumer organizations.
>>> There, in my opinion, ought not be censorship, here!
>>> Car:
>>>> David,
>>>>   I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication of
>>>> the American Council of the Blind, so there might be legal/ethical
>>>> issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels.  But I am
>>>> slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
>>>> circulating an issue of the braille Monitor  describing the split in
>>>> terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this list?"
>>>>   Sincerely,
>>>> Kirt
>
>>>> On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> David:
>>>>> With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?
>
>>>>> After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
>>>> opposing view
>>>>> is he?
>>>>> Is he telling us to join the ACB?
>>>>> No, and I take that as harmless.
>
>>>>> Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be brought up
> by
>>>>> future leaders anyway?
>
>>>>> Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of the
>>>>> organization, but what we stand fore because as the world evolves, so
> must
>>>>> our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
>>>> say we will
>>>>> follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
>>>> our aim--and
>>>>> we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
>>>> principles of
>>>>> blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.
>
>>>>> You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
>>>> and are we not
>>>>> open to discussion on this?
>>>>> Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
>>>>> are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
>>>> is a hidden
>>>>> threat in reading a politically contrary paper?
>
>>>>> I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
>>>>> but just once won't hurt anyone will it?
>
>
>>>>> Jorge
>
>
>>>>> On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>
>>>>>> Chris:
>
>>>>>> While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is
> inappropriate,
>>>>>> and not in step with the purpose of this list.  This is not a debating
>>>>>> society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille Forum.
> This
>>>>>> list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding of
> the
>>>>>> ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.
>
>>>>>> David Andrews, List Owner
>
>
>
>>>>>> At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Hmm...  that's interesting.  Well, I went out of my comfort
>>>> zone a little
>>>>>>> and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum (ACB's
>>>>>>> magazine) by email.  I will attach this month's Braille Forum.
> Although
>>>>>>> a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in Reno,
>>>>>>> please especially take time to read the President's Message column
> from
>>>>>>> Mitch Pomerantz.  You'll see there what he says about the NFB and Dr.
>>>>>>> TenBroek and Dr.
>>>>>>> Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the United
>>>>>>> States.  What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot too
> much?
>>>>>>> Oh heck...  another little debate won't hurt.  * Smile!
>
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