[nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
Darian Smith
dsmithnfb at gmail.com
Sat Jun 18 21:00:24 UTC 2011
Hello all,
The link for convention streaming typically does not become
available until near the start of convention. So in short - you are
going to have to wait a couple of weeks until the party starts
On 6/18/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like the link as wel, please.
> Best,
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:45:48 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
> The banquet is on a Friday, July 8th. And I would also like to
> know the link, since I can't go either.
>
> Chris
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena Cucco" <serena.c.cucco at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:42:40 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
> Speaking of streaming Convention, what's the link to listen to
> it? I can't
> go this year. Dang summer courses! **hahaha** Also, what week
> night is
> the banquet? I'll certainly listen to that, even if that's all I
> have time
> to listen to!
>
> Thanks,
> Serena
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:57 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
> We stream it so people who can't attend the convention can listen
> to it and still keep up to date on all the action that happens
> there. Face it, some people just can't go to convention. You
> know, that whole thing about 70 percent of blind people being
> unemployed. Employment generates income, and sadly, a lot of
> blind people currently don't have it.
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
> To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
> you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
> www.campabilities.org.
>
> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
> on this link to learn more and to contribute:
> www.icanfoundation.info.
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:05:29 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
> Well,
> if the real deal is being at convention then why stream it?
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:52 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
>
> Right, and I will be sure to cast my vote for as many people
> whose names I happen to know as possible. No, you? need to
> manage passwords and data security. There would be issues such
> as validity and integrity of the ballot (who? observing to
> ensure the votes are not tampered with, etc.?)
>
> What you are looking for is not proxy voting, but to change NABS
> elections from being held at convention to being held online.
> That means the elections process would need to happen (along with
> any runoffs and revotes) prior to convention so that the newly
> elected board members can meet with the old and arrange the
> transition plan as best they can.
>
> If elections, why not resolutions and other business as well?
> Why would we then send delegates from the states to vote? This
> would be a fundamental change to the organization as a whole, and
> one that could be exploited by those who have an axe to grind
> against the NFB. Without becoming too confrontational, suffice
> it to say that such individuals exist.
>
> It would also degrade our national convention from a
> policy-making body to the status of a trade show for blind ghetto
> tech. I? not sure you?e going to find support for that amongst
> Federationists at large?articularly since in order to do so you
> must first convince those Federationists who will be attending
> Convention because it is a policy-making body they wish to be
> part of that it should no longer be so.
>
> You would not have my support, even though I have only been to
> two non-consecutive conventions now, because I wouldn? want to
> see what naturally comes from the application of your suggestion.
> To me, going to convention is ABOUT something, whether I can
> attend or not. I for one am not willing to give that up.
>
> That said, though I may attend the NABS meeting if I am not
> needed elsewhere, I will not be voting. I am not a student
> anymore, as I said, and NABS policy should IMO be set by those
> who are.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:54:10PM -0400, Jorge Paez wrote:
> So would I.
>
> And, security measures such as comparing someone's name against
> a database can easily be developed as well with some php.
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>
> A web based system could easily be developed, that's for sure.
> I would be willing to help with that.
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>
> Marsha:
> This is only theory to be aprooved--the web team would have to
> be in charge of developing some authentication method.
> I'm sure we could make sure only absent people vote in some way
> such as having to enter with your name, and the site
> disqualifying you when you enter your vote if it sees that you're
> present.
> This is where the database of contact information would come in
> handy.
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>
> In theory this is a good suggestion. But lets be realistic
> here. This would
> be a complicated process of tallying the votes. If the students
> were to do
> this, the general convention would want this too. Its sad that
> those who
> can't be there can't vote, but that is where those who can't be
> there,
> should get involved to elect those who they feel would do the
> best job
> possible.
>
> Say if you were to have a online way to take votes, how are you
> going to
> distinguish from those who are really not going to those who are
> going to
> convention but who want to vote and add votes to a particular
> person
> running.
>
> Now correct me someone if I am wrong, isn't it true that you can
> run, not
> necessarily be there, and be elected? Or must you be present?
> Different
> divisions do this differently.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jorge Paez
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:57 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] proposition for amendment to constitution
>
> Hello all:
> I want to propose the following amendment to the constitution,
> to article
> IV.
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Voting
>
>
> Due to the fact that there are people who will not be present at
> the
> convention due to issues beyond the membership's control, but
> who have paid
> dues and do therefore, retain their right to vote, the NATIONAL
> ASSOCIATION
> OF THE BLIND shall henceforth recognize
> these members by allowing them to vote, in such methods as are
> legal and of
> good practice, in all elections pertaining to the business of
> this
> organization.
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
> end of amendment.
>
> The defense I put forth for this amendment is simple: if we are
> to be a
> democratic organization, and if we are truly the "voice of the
> Nation's
> blind" we must realize there are students who will not be able
> to attend but
> who have paid dues, and these students must be recognized and
> given the
> chance to vote in elections. If not, we are violating our own
> constitution
> as article IV is doing as of this writing, by eliminating those
> members who
> cannot attend convention, and therein setting only a certain
> portion of the
> student membership to vote.
>
>
> Jorge
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