[nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment

Sun Jun 19 20:35:53 UTC 2011

Yes I agree! That's a great idea!

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment

Chris:
Great idea.
This would also clear up elections a little bit by forcing the candidates to
announce their intentions beforehand so that online members get all the
choices in time and can make informed decisions.

On Jun 19, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:

> Kirt,
> 
> At the risk of starting an ACB debate again, I will tell you one thing
that they do that (if we decide to do it) might solve the problem of this
not working since we need to listen to each candidate's introduction speech
if they haven't done such an introduction on the list.  When it gets close
to the ACB convention/elections, ACB Radio (ACB's online radio station) does
a series of debates and question-answer sessions with the candidates running
for ACB offices (treasurer, President, vice Presidents, etc) where members
can call in and ask questions directly of the candidates.  In the same way,
we could have a NABS conference call (or a series of them) in which we
introduce candidates running for whatever offices that are up for election
that year.  One of our members (preferably one that isn't running so as to
prevent bias) and can ask some questions in the beginning (like an
interview, you know, one of those "meet the candidate" interviews that they
have on the radio all the time before a political election) and then open it
up to the members to ask the candidates questions.  That way, this amendment
could work because even people who aren't going to convention are prepared
to make their decision when they vote on their absentee ballots.  In other
words, let's do what the mainstream American media and the government do,
because if they can do it, we can too! What do you think of this idea?
> 
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:37:13 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] draft 2 - complete section with amendment
> 
> Jorge,
> You're putting this out in the open for public scrutiny so I'm going
> to be honest.  I really, really don't like the idea-it opens up all
> sorts of cans of worms that don't seem right to me.  Consider the
> following.
> We probably won't know all the candidates in the election *until*
> the actual business meeting.  There could be someone who, for whatever
> reason, hasn't announced their candidacy for office on the list.  I
> think it's only fair that anyone who's even considering voting in the
> election knows who all candidates are and has the opportunity to
> listen to each introduction speech (even if it's only 30 seconds
> long), before they cast their ballot.  That's only fair to all the
> candidates involved.  I would consider supporting an idea that allows
> those due-paying members in virtual attendance (through an official
> NABS skype call or the like) the opportunity to vote.  Beyond that, I
> don't think you have much of a case.
> Also, think about this.  Let's say you, hypothetically, were running
> for NABS president.  You get a bunch of your blind friends who aren't
> going to convention, who may or may not want anything to do with the
> Federation, and have them pay $5 so they're voting members.  I'm not
> saying you'd do such a thing, I'm just saying you're leaving that kind
> of possibility open.  No matter how secure the voting method is, that
> makes this something that could happen.  Do other organizations open
> that door?  Sure.  Should we?  I say no.
> But the spirit behind the idea isn't bad.  I think, personally, if
> we could ensure some sort of secure method for virtual attendance at
> the meeting for those due-paying members who can't make convention,
> I'd be all for allowing them to vote.  Maybe set up a shoutcast server
> streaming the meeting, and only give the password to those due-paying
> members who request it?  Make a conference call and only give the
> calling info/access code for those due-paying members who ask for it?
> If we instituted a system like that, I don't see why we couldn't allow
> that sort of absentee voting, but only for those who are in virtual
> attendance at the NABS business meeting and not for anyone else.  Am I
> making any sense?  Is that a possibility?
> All the best,
> Kirt
> 
> On 6/18/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Arielle:
> Not exactly,
> I'm going to continue to edit the amendment myself and should be able to
> submit it before July second.
> I posted this version so that people could see my amendment in light of
the
> entire section.
> 
> 
> On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
> 
> Jorge,
> Is this the final version you would like read at the NABS meeting this
> year? Or, would you like to wait until 2012 when you will be at
> convention yourself and can present and defend it?
> If you want it read in 2011 and you will not be at convention, you
> will need to find someone else who will be there to read and defend
> it.
> Arielle
> 
> On 6/17/11, Joseph C.  Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
> George,
> I hate to be a killjoy on you, but you're probably wasting your time
> with this.  The organization isn't going to change this particular
> policy, no matter how many people would like to see it happen.  For the
> record, I'm with you on this one, but I'm also no longer a federationest
> and haven't been for some years now.  Too many differences of opinion.
> --
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> Joseph C.  Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net
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