[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

[David Andrews]

Chris:

I don't want to friend anyone -- but I think this is a terrible 
idea!  Remember the ACB split off from the NFB because they thought 
that we were all wrong, did our business in the wrong way etc.  I am 
not going to say that we can't learn anything from the ACB, but not a 
history lesson.  I was at a ACb National Convention a few years ago 
-- and heard the NFB attacked openly and indirectly.  These folks are 
not our friends.  We can work jointly at times, and should, and I 
don't think we should be against them, for the sake of it, as some of 
my old-timer friends are -- but a joint conference call on 
consideration of a change to a NFB division bylaw is going to far!

Dave

At 12:53 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote:
>Kirt,
>
>I have a friend in the Council that I will see Monday night, so I 
>plan to give this idea to him and ask if he knows someone in the 
>Council that would be knowledgeable enough and willing to attend 
>this call on behalf of the Council as an expert on their history.
>Maybe it would be better if someone like me moderated.  Keep in mind 
>that I did volunteer, but I'm not degrading anyone else, I'm just 
>using myself as an example here.  I'm a member of the Federation, 
>but I'm not a hard-line "NFB is good, ACB bad" person, so I wouldn't 
>show any bias to NFB or ACB.  I also am not currently a contributing 
>(due-paying) member of NABS, so I'm not a leader in it of 
>course.  That way, we wouldn't have any bias.
>I think it would be easy to have it jointly attended even if it's an 
>official NABS call.  If we have a representative of ACB on the call, 
>we could probably easily get other members of ACB on the call to 
>kind of back up or add to that guest speaker's information.  Thoughts?
>
>Chris
>
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:45:08 -0600
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes 
>interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed.  June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
>Carley,
>  The two organizations don't really claim to be "friends" as such-it
>seems like now they just mostly ignore each other, work jointly when
>their agendas converge and play politics when they don't.  Maybe they
>aren't enemies, but the official organizations don't really advertise
>themselves as friends.
>  While it would be great to have people from both organizations
>participate in a joint call, I don't see it happening.  Here's hoping
>though, I guess  It's certainly a nice thought-although, if the call
>were to have presentations from members of both organizations, it
>probably should be jointly moderated and attended.  The NFB (or
>probably even NABS) would, I'm betting, not be inclined to go there.
>So maybe we'll have better luck going through unnoficial channels and
>setting this up on our own?  No need to make it an official event for
>either the Federation or the Council-I think it's safe to say that
>idea was doomed to fail before it was brought up.
>  Best,
>Kirt
>
>On 6/18/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>And, as I said before, I would be very willing to moderate this
>call.  Please keep me posted!
>
>  Chris
>
>"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
>you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
>www.campabilities.org.
>
>The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
>Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
>on this link to learn more and to contribute:
>www.icanfoundation.info.
>
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>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:51:04 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
>interview,Ride into History, Race for  Independence, Wed.  June
>22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
>This call would be very interesting indeed.  If representatives
>from both organizations are willing to participate, it can really
>be productive in many ways.
>On Jun 18, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote:
>
>
>
>  Good morning, list,
>
>  A few days ago, someone on the NABS list  suggested a conference
>call bringing clarity to a younger generation.  What, exactly, is
>the history of the ideological parting of ways, between the
>Federation and the Council? Does anybody know today, the history
>of this division or is it a product of sheer habit as is the case
>with Republicans and Democrats? If such a meeting of both
>entities were to take place, There ought to be representation of
>both organizations  so that a wholistic portrait of this issue
>can be exercised.
>
>  and its split from the ACB.  This seems like a productive and
>enlightening discussion but I wonder, if the Federation and the
>council claim to be friends, should there not be representation
>from both   sides, identifying their position and whereabouts
>they stand, in this? At
>  ---- Original Message ------
>  From: "Joe Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com> (by way of David
>Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>  Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our Eyes interview, Ride
>into History,Race for  Independence, Wed.  June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>  Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:26:45 -0500
>
>
>  Save The Date:
>
>  On Wednesday, June 22,at 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our Eyes host,
>Joe
>  Ruffalo will interview Parnell Diggs, chair of the Imagination
>Fund,
>  Race for Independence.
>
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>state
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>  In addition, featured will be Imaginators who will share the
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>to be blind.
>
>  Special highlight of the interview will be the announcement of
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