[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Anmol Bhatia
anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 21 19:36:14 UTC 2011
Kirt,
You are bringing up some vary good points... Understanding the history of the NFB and ACB is an import part in the history in the blind movement and an important part in the history of two organizations. Frankly in it is just my oppinion both organizations bring value and have and continue to make a difference for blind people across America on a daily bases. It is a shame that this split happened and just maybe the next generation of blind individuals our generation or those who are younger then can bring the two organizations together once again. Now this is just my translation and my oppinion, but it seems to me that the NFB ACB split happened over pitty differences and two individuals with different ideas fighting for power. It seems to me that the hate the two organizations have towards each other is not as strong amongest this generation. Infact many members of NABS of ACB and NABS of NFB are friends in life and attack on the other organization is
usually not allow on each organization's mailing list.
Dave, you are right that ACB does not have the same amount of people attending its' convention, but their attendence is not small eather. I would guess 1500 attend the ACB convention and all the major venders who attend the NFB convention attend the ACB convention. There are also quite a few young people who attend the ACB convention.
Yes ACB does its' business different then NFB, but thats why they are a different organization. However, this does not make them any worse or better then the NFB.
Just my thoughts and it would be great if we keep the attacks on each organization to as less as possible.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 12:25 PM
> Dave,
> How long ago was this? Things could've changed
> since you last went
> if it's been a while, maybe? And, with respect, this
> is a big deal to
> a lot of us. I know for me it's a lot more than a
> "small
> consideration", I like to know the past as much as I can
> because it
> shaped the here and now. I can read the books put out
> by each
> organization-they probably both have lots of the truth
> intermingled
> with their respective agendas. But nothing beats
> talking to people
> who have studied the issues or, preferably, people who were
> actually
> there.
> All the best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/21/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> wrote:
> > The two biggest things I noticed at an ACB national
> convention were
> > that the crowd was considerably smaller than that at a
> NFB convention
> > -- less exhibits etc. too. The second things was
> that there were few
> > young persons -- some but noticeably not very
> many. One of the major
> > things that the ACB has pushed in the past is that it
> is different
> > from the NFB, it does things differently etc.
> This doesn't really
> > matter to younger people though, so they have little
> reason to join, so
> > don't.
> >
> > You guys can spend lots of time on the history, and
> differences if
> > you want -- but what is the point. It happened,
> it is over with and
> > done. Yes we can and should learn from our
> history, but it is just
> > one small consideration.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
> >>Dave,
> >> I do see your point. Those
> alive at the time are not, and will
> >>probabluy never be friends. Heck, getting
> them to actually talk in
> >>peace would be the achievement of the
> century! if such a call were
> >>to hypothetically happen, how could we keep it from
> opening old wounds
> >>and stoking old fires?
> >> Best,
> >>Kirt
> >>
> >>On 6/20/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Dave,
> >> >
> >> > Our joint conference call isn't associated
> whatsoever with the
> >> > proposition of a change in the NFB
> bylaw. If I'm setting this
> >> > up, which it appears I am, I didn't even have
> the intention of
> >> > mentioning that proposition on the
> call. The call's purpose is
> >> > to learn the history of the NFB/ACB, with a
> little emphasis on
> >> > the "civil war" period, from both sides so we
> are informed. I
> >> > also want this call to start a discussion on
> the history of our
> >> > movement and what we can learn from it, not
> only as
> >> > Federationists, but as blind students.
> Jorge and I have found
> >> > some ways that we can hold the call without
> making it a NABS
> >> > membership call, if it is entirely
> necessary. And as to your
> >> > comments about them not being our friends,
> then using your
> >> > argument, the Republicans should not hear the
> Democrats point of
> >> > view in meetings of Congress, but the two
> parties should be
> >> > separated from each other for fear of their
> own side being
> >> > attacked. We can keep our same
> opinions, and probably many
> >> > Federationists and Council members who attend
> this call will.
> >> > This is just a way that we can be more
> informed when forming
> >> > these opinions.
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!"
> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> > To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a
> local camp near
> >> > you, just click on this link to their
> national Web site:
> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >> >
> >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually
> impaired youth in
> >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say
> "I can!" How? Click
> >> > on this link to learn more and to
> contribute:
> >> > www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my BrailleNote
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:39:01 -0500
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes
> >> > interview,Ride into History, Race for
> Independence, Wed. June
> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >
> >> > Chris:
> >> >
> >> > I don't want to friend anyone -- but I think
> this is a terrible
> >> > idea! Remember the ACB split off from
> the NFB because they
> >> > thought
> >> > that we were all wrong, did our business in
> the wrong way etc. I
> >> > am
> >> > not going to say that we can't learn anything
> from the ACB, but
> >> > not a
> >> > history lesson. I was at a ACb National
> Convention a few years
> >> > ago
> >> > -- and heard the NFB attacked openly and
> indirectly. These folks
> >> > are
> >> > not our friends. We can work jointly at
> times, and should, and I
> >> > don't think we should be against them, for
> the sake of it, as
> >> > some of
> >> > my old-timer friends are -- but a joint
> conference call on
> >> > consideration of a change to a NFB division
> bylaw is going to
> >> > far!
> >> >
> >> > Dave
> >> >
> >> > At 12:53 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote:
> >> > Kirt,
> >> >
> >> > I have a friend in the Council that I will
> see Monday night, so I
> >> > plan to give this idea to him and ask if he
> knows someone in the
> >> > Council that would be knowledgeable enough
> and willing to attend
> >> > this call on behalf of the Council as an
> expert on their history.
> >> > Maybe it would be better if someone like me
> moderated. Keep in
> >> > mind
> >> > that I did volunteer, but I'm not degrading
> anyone else, I'm just
> >> > using myself as an example here. I'm a
> member of the Federation,
> >> > but I'm not a hard-line "NFB is good, ACB
> bad" person, so I
> >> > wouldn't
> >> > show any bias to NFB or ACB. I also am
> not currently a
> >> > contributing
> >> > (due-paying) member of NABS, so I'm not a
> leader in it of
> >> > course. That way, we wouldn't have any
> bias.
> >> > I think it would be easy to have it jointly
> attended even if it's
> >> > an
> >> > official NABS call. If we have a
> representative of ACB on the
> >> > call,
> >> > we could probably easily get other members of
> ACB on the call to
> >> > kind of back up or add to that guest
> speaker's information.
> >> > Thoughts?
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!"
> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> > To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a
> local camp near
> >> > you,
> >> > just click on this link to their national Web
> site:
> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >> >
> >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually
> impaired youth in
> >> > Maryland
> >> > have the ability to confidently say "I can!"
> How? Click on this
> >> > link
> >> > to learn more and to contribute:
> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my BrailleNote
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:45:08 -0600
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes
> >> > interview,Ride into History, Race for
> Independence, Wed. June
> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >
> >> > Carley,
> >> > The two organizations don't
> really claim to be "friends" as
> >> > such-it
> >> > seems like now they just mostly ignore each
> other, work jointly
> >> > when
> >> > their agendas converge and play politics when
> they don't. Maybe
> >> > they
> >> > aren't enemies, but the official
> organizations don't really
> >> > advertise
> >> > themselves as friends.
> >> > While it would be great to
> have people from both organizations
> >> > participate in a joint call, I don't see it
> happening. Here's
> >> > hoping
> >> > though, I guess It's certainly a nice
> thought-although, if the
> >> > call
> >> > were to have presentations from members of
> both organizations, it
> >> > probably should be jointly moderated and
> attended. The NFB (or
> >> > probably even NABS) would, I'm betting, not
> be inclined to go
> >> > there.
> >> > So maybe we'll have better luck going through
> unnoficial channels
> >> > and
> >> > setting this up on our own? No need to
> make it an official event
> >> > for
> >> > either the Federation or the Council-I think
> it's safe to say
> >> > that
> >> > idea was doomed to fail before it was brought
> up.
> >> > Best,
> >> > Kirt
> >> >
> >> > On 6/18/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > And, as I said before, I would be very
> willing to moderate this
> >> > call. Please keep me posted!
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!"
> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> > To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a
> local camp near
> >> > you, just click on this link to their
> national Web site:
> >> > www.campabilities.org.
> >> >
> >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually
> impaired youth in
> >> > Maryland have the ability to confidently say
> "I can!" How? Click
> >> > on this link to learn more and to
> contribute:
> >> > www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my BrailleNote
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message
> -----
> >> > From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:51:04 -0400
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes
> >> > interview,Ride into History, Race for
> Independence, Wed. June
> >> > 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >
> >> > This call would be very interesting
> indeed. If representatives
> >> > from both organizations are willing to
> participate, it can really
> >> > be productive in many ways.
> >> > On Jun 18, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Carly Mihalakis
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Good morning, list,
> >> >
> >> > A few days ago, someone on
> the NABS list suggested a
> >> > conference
> >> > call bringing clarity to a younger
> generation. What, exactly, is
> >> > the history of the ideological parting of
> ways, between the
> >> > Federation and the Council? Does anybody know
> today, the history
> >> > of this division or is it a product of sheer
> habit as is the case
> >> > with Republicans and Democrats? If such a
> meeting of both
> >> > entities were to take place, There ought to
> be representation of
> >> > both organizations so that a wholistic
> portrait of this issue
> >> > can be exercised.
> >> >
> >> > and its split from the
> ACB. This seems like a productive and
> >> > enlightening discussion but I wonder, if the
> Federation and the
> >> > council claim to be friends, should there not
> be representation
> >> > from both sides, identifying
> their position and whereabouts
> >> > they stand, in this? At
> >> > ---- Original Message
> ------
> >> > From: "Joe Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
> (by way of David
> >> > Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> >> > Subject:
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> > into History,Race for Independence,
> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> > Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011
> 19:26:45 -0500
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Save The Date:
> >> >
> >> > On Wednesday, June 22,at
> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our Eyes host,
> >> > Joe
> >> > Ruffalo will interview
> Parnell Diggs, chair of the Imagination
> >> > Fund,
> >> > Race for Independence.
> >> >
> >> > The interview will highlight
> current and past grants awarded to
> >> > state
> >> > affiliates and chapters.
> >> > In addition, featured will
> be Imaginators who will share the
> >> > methods
> >> > to make the ask to make a
> difference in changing what it means
> >> > to be blind.
> >> >
> >> > Special highlight of the
> interview will be the announcement of
> >> > the 30
> >> > winners who will have the
> opportunity to be driven by a blind
> >> > driver
> >> > while attending
> >> > the national convention in
> Orlando.
> >> >
> >> > Witness the opportunity to
> ride into history!
> >> >
> >> > To watch and listen to the
> interview, please visit the
> >> > following:
> >> > <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> >> >
> >> > For JAWS users and mobile
> phone users, please visit the
> >> > following:
> >> >
> >> > m.thruoureyes.org
> >> >
> >> > Other options to watch or
> listen can be found on the sites
> >> > listed above.
> >> >
> >> > To call in with comments or
> questions, please dial the
> >> > following:
> >> > 1 888 572 0141
> >> > Join us to Make a
> Difference!
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
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