[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Chris Nusbaum
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Tue Jun 21 21:36:02 UTC 2011
Speaking of history, how about reading and/or listening to Dr.
Jernigan's speech entitled Blindness: The Lessons of History.
This shows what we're talking about.
Chris
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Date sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:25:14 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Dave,
How long ago was this? Things could've changed since you last
went
if it's been a while, maybe? And, with respect, this is a big
deal to
a lot of us. I know for me it's a lot more than a "small
consideration", I like to know the past as much as I can because
it
shaped the here and now. I can read the books put out by each
organization-they probably both have lots of the truth
intermingled
with their respective agendas. But nothing beats talking to
people
who have studied the issues or, preferably, people who were
actually
there.
All the best,
Kirt
On 6/21/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
The two biggest things I noticed at an ACB national convention
were
that the crowd was considerably smaller than that at a NFB
convention
-- less exhibits etc. too. The second things was that there
were few
young persons -- some but noticeably not very many. One of the
major
things that the ACB has pushed in the past is that it is
different
from the NFB, it does things differently etc. This doesn't
really
matter to younger people though, so they have little reason to
join, so
don't.
You guys can spend lots of time on the history, and differences
if
you want -- but what is the point. It happened, it is over with
and
done. Yes we can and should learn from our history, but it is
just
one small consideration.
Dave
At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011, you wrote:
Dave,
I do see your point. Those alive at the time are not, and
will
probabluy never be friends. Heck, getting them to actually talk
in
peace would be the achievement of the century! if such a call
were
to hypothetically happen, how could we keep it from opening old
wounds
and stoking old fires?
Best,
Kirt
On 6/20/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
Dave,
Our joint conference call isn't associated whatsoever with the
proposition of a change in the NFB bylaw. If I'm setting this
up, which it appears I am, I didn't even have the intention of
mentioning that proposition on the call. The call's purpose is
to learn the history of the NFB/ACB, with a little emphasis on
the "civil war" period, from both sides so we are informed. I
also want this call to start a discussion on the history of our
movement and what we can learn from it, not only as
Federationists, but as blind students. Jorge and I have found
some ways that we can hold the call without making it a NABS
membership call, if it is entirely necessary. And as to your
comments about them not being our friends, then using your
argument, the Republicans should not hear the Democrats point of
view in meetings of Congress, but the two parties should be
separated from each other for fear of their own side being
attacked. We can keep our same opinions, and probably many
Federationists and Council members who attend this call will.
This is just a way that we can be more informed when forming
these opinions.
Chris
"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
motto)
To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
www.campabilities.org.
The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
on this link to learn more and to contribute:
www.icanfoundation.info.
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:39:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Chris:
I don't want to friend anyone -- but I think this is a terrible
idea! Remember the ACB split off from the NFB because they
thought
that we were all wrong, did our business in the wrong way etc.
I
am
not going to say that we can't learn anything from the ACB, but
not a
history lesson. I was at a ACb National Convention a few years
ago
-- and heard the NFB attacked openly and indirectly. These
folks
are
not our friends. We can work jointly at times, and should, and
I
don't think we should be against them, for the sake of it, as
some of
my old-timer friends are -- but a joint conference call on
consideration of a change to a NFB division bylaw is going to
far!
Dave
At 12:53 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote:
Kirt,
I have a friend in the Council that I will see Monday night, so
I
plan to give this idea to him and ask if he knows someone in the
Council that would be knowledgeable enough and willing to attend
this call on behalf of the Council as an expert on their
history.
Maybe it would be better if someone like me moderated. Keep in
mind
that I did volunteer, but I'm not degrading anyone else, I'm
just
using myself as an example here. I'm a member of the
Federation,
but I'm not a hard-line "NFB is good, ACB bad" person, so I
wouldn't
show any bias to NFB or ACB. I also am not currently a
contributing
(due-paying) member of NABS, so I'm not a leader in it of
course. That way, we wouldn't have any bias.
I think it would be easy to have it jointly attended even if
it's
an
official NABS call. If we have a representative of ACB on the
call,
we could probably easily get other members of ACB on the call to
kind of back up or add to that guest speaker's information.
Thoughts?
Chris
"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
motto)
To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
you,
just click on this link to their national Web site:
www.campabilities.org.
The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
Maryland
have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this
link
to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:45:08 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Carley,
The two organizations don't really claim to be "friends" as
such-it
seems like now they just mostly ignore each other, work jointly
when
their agendas converge and play politics when they don't. Maybe
they
aren't enemies, but the official organizations don't really
advertise
themselves as friends.
While it would be great to have people from both organizations
participate in a joint call, I don't see it happening. Here's
hoping
though, I guess It's certainly a nice thought-although, if the
call
were to have presentations from members of both organizations,
it
probably should be jointly moderated and attended. The NFB (or
probably even NABS) would, I'm betting, not be inclined to go
there.
So maybe we'll have better luck going through unnoficial
channels
and
setting this up on our own? No need to make it an official
event
for
either the Federation or the Council-I think it's safe to say
that
idea was doomed to fail before it was brought up.
Best,
Kirt
On 6/18/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
And, as I said before, I would be very willing to moderate this
call. Please keep me posted!
Chris
"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
motto)
To learn more about Camp Abilities and find a local camp near
you, just click on this link to their national Web site:
www.campabilities.org.
The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in
Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click
on this link to learn more and to contribute:
www.icanfoundation.info.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:51:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
This call would be very interesting indeed. If representatives
from both organizations are willing to participate, it can
really
be productive in many ways.
On Jun 18, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote:
Good morning, list,
A few days ago, someone on the NABS list suggested a
conference
call bringing clarity to a younger generation. What, exactly,
is
the history of the ideological parting of ways, between the
Federation and the Council? Does anybody know today, the history
of this division or is it a product of sheer habit as is the
case
with Republicans and Democrats? If such a meeting of both
entities were to take place, There ought to be representation of
both organizations so that a wholistic portrait of this issue
can be exercised.
and its split from the ACB. This seems like a productive and
enlightening discussion but I wonder, if the Federation and the
council claim to be friends, should there not be representation
from both sides, identifying their position and whereabouts
they stand, in this? At
---- Original Message ------
From: "Joe Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com> (by way of David
Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru Our Eyes interview, Ride
into History,Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Date sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:26:45 -0500
Save The Date:
On Wednesday, June 22,at 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our Eyes host,
Joe
Ruffalo will interview Parnell Diggs, chair of the Imagination
Fund,
Race for Independence.
The interview will highlight current and past grants awarded
to
state
affiliates and chapters.
In addition, featured will be Imaginators who will share the
methods
to make the ask to make a difference in changing what it means
to be blind.
Special highlight of the interview will be the announcement of
the 30
winners who will have the opportunity to be driven by a blind
driver
while attending
the national convention in Orlando.
Witness the opportunity to ride into history!
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