[nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others

chris nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Wed Jun 22 01:06:53 UTC 2011


Hi, Ashley,

I would suggest reading Walking Alone and Marching Together, which is
the big history book of the NFB. You can get it from NFB's
Independence Market. Hope this helps!

On 6/21/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Ashley, it was all a matter of structure.
> I learned this, last year.
> The group hated the fact, that Dr. Tenbroek stayed as president, until
> his death, and then Dr. Jernagan was elected.
> They didn't like the fact, that the presidents didn't have term
> lemits, (like in the political system.)
> They called the NFB, "The Tenbroek Machine," for example.
> They thought it was like a dictatorship, so that's why they left.
> I hope this helps.
> This is one reason, why I have no respect for the ACB.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/21/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Carley,
>> I agree with you and Gedi.  History is important and I still don't
>> understand how ACB and NFB split in the 1960s.
>> I know it was at the NFB convention where a group broke off and formed
>> their
>> own group. But that's about it.
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carly Mihalakis
>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:42 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ;
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Security in ourselves, acceptance in others
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Jedi,
>>
>>          I believe that a totally enriching  idea, making a
>> connection between those who were Federation leaders in past
>> generations with  those to whom the torch of leadership has been
>> passed, for a purpose of learning from the real eyewitness accounts
>> of those who were actually THERE!
>> I would be interested to know if others  believe this such a
>> constructive and wholistic idea, as I?
>>
>> I believe wrappin' about "cluttering" the List is nonsense. Do we not
>> know where our delete keys are, or what?
>> for today,
>> Car05:15 PM 6/12/2011, Jedi wrote:
>>>David,
>>>
>>>I have to agree that a discussion on the organizational split might
>>>actually be appropriate for this list. Yes, our list's mission is to talk
>>>about student issues. At the same time, it is also understood that the
>>>student organization represents future leadership. We also talk about
>>>philosophical issues that may or may not have anything to do with student
>>>status exactly. A discussion on the organizational split is a useful
>>>education. How can future leaders learn how to lead the organization if
>>>there isn't much education on where we've been? I'm not suggesting that no
>>>education is currently present, i'm only suggesting that this list is a
>>>great venue for seasoned Federationists to explore our history with
>>>newcomers and future leaders.
>>>
>>>I suggest that the article from the Braille Forum be reattached (I got a
>>>bunch of weirdness when I opened the file) with a similar article from the
>>>Federation's viewpoint With that said, readers can see both sides. If the
>>>discussion has enough interest, we could move it off list to a conference
>>>call so as not to clutter the space with too many messages. During such a
>>>call, NFB leaders and historians could answer any questions posed to them
>>>by the student body while shairing their unique perspectives as
>>> individuals
>>>
>>>who either lived during the split or lived during the early years after
>>> the
>>>
>>>split.
>>>
>>>What do you think about this possibility?
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>Jedi
>>>
>>>Original message:
>>>>I am not trying to sensor anything just keep each list on the topics
>>>>for which it was intended.  And ... the history was that people broke
>>>>away from the NFB in the early 1960's and formed the ACB because they
>>>>disagreed with the way things were done by us.
>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>>At 08:21 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>>>We've often wondered a same thing what is the history of such a beef
>>>>>between the consumer organizations.
>>>>>There, in my opinion, ought not be censorship, here!
>>>>>Car:
>>>>>>David,
>>>>>>   I do understand the Braille Forum is a copyrighted publication of
>>>>>>the American Council of the Blind, so there might be legal/ethical
>>>>>>issues with distributing it outside official ACB channels.  But I am
>>>>>>slightly curious (and I say this with the utmost respect), would
>>>>>>circulating an issue of the braille Monitor  describing the split in
>>>>>>terms favorable to the Federation be "not appropriate for this list?"
>>>>>>   Sincerely,
>>>>>>Kirt
>>>
>>>>>>On 6/9/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>David:
>>>>>>>With all due respect, can we not have an open mind?
>>>
>>>>>>>After all: Chris isn't doing any obvious harm by presenting an
>>>>>>opposing view
>>>>>>>is he?
>>>>>>>Is he telling us to join the ACB?
>>>>>>>No, and I take that as harmless.
>>>
>>>>>>>Why silence what could possibly be a question that will be brought up
>>>>>>>by
>>>>>>>future leaders anyway?
>>>
>>>>>>>Sooner or later we'll have to debate not the marrits or not of the
>>>>>>>organization, but what we stand fore because as the world evolves, so
>>>>>>>must
>>>>>>>our stance on issues--we can never stand solid by one policy and
>>>>>>say we will
>>>>>>>follow it until we die for if the target changes, then so must
>>>>>>our aim--and
>>>>>>>we should be open to anything and consider all as long as our
>>>>>>principles of
>>>>>>>blind independence and first class citizenship are not at risk.
>>>
>>>>>>>You realize its not the ACB that you oppose, its their ideas,
>>>>>>and are we not
>>>>>>>open to discussion on this?
>>>>>>>Just because we talk doesn't mean we do,
>>>>>>>are you by any stretch of the imagination suggesting that there
>>>>>>is a hidden
>>>>>>>threat in reading a politically contrary paper?
>>>
>>>>>>>I agree--if Chris were to do it every month I would see why,
>>>>>>>but just once won't hurt anyone will it?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>On Jun 9, 2011, at 4:42 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris:
>>>
>>>>>>>>While what you are trying to do is "well meaning," it is
>>>>>>>>inappropriate,
>>>>>>>>and not in step with the purpose of this list.  This is not a
>>>>>>>> debating
>>>>>>>>society, and nor are we a vehicle to distribute the Braille Forum.
>>>>>>>>This
>>>>>>>>list is for NABS and blind students, not to discuss the founding of
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>ACB, or debate how it is different from the NFB.
>>>
>>>>>>>>David Andrews, List Owner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>At 02:55 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Hmm...  that's interesting.  Well, I went out of my comfort
>>>>>>zone a little
>>>>>>>>>and signed up to get both the Monitor and the Braille Forum (ACB's
>>>>>>>>>magazine) by email.  I will attach this month's Braille Forum.
>>>>>>>>>Although
>>>>>>>>>a lot of it has to do with the lagistics of their convention in
>>>>>>>>> Reno,
>>>>>>>>>please especially take time to read the President's Message column
>>>>>>>>>from
>>>>>>>>>Mitch Pomerantz.  You'll see there what he says about the NFB and
>>>>>>>>> Dr.
>>>>>>>>>TenBroek and Dr.
>>>>>>>>>Jernigan, while comparing the ACB's founding to that of the United
>>>>>>>>>States.  What do you all think of this? Am I stirring the pot too
>>>>>>>>>much?
>>>>>>>>>Oh heck...  another little debate won't hurt.  * Smile!
>>>
>>>
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