[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Anmol Bhatia
anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 22 19:06:10 UTC 2011
Josh,
Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but not realistic. Can you see a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper currency has been and will always be a fabric of this country as it is in every country. Which country has only coins and know paper currency?
I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please correct me, but I do not think that ACB is advocating only braille notes. From my understanding they have been advocating a form of paper currency which is accessible and afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most afordable means to make paper currency accessible.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
> Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
> accessible currency.
> What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
> That isn't going to work.
> I have the answer to the problem.
> First of all, it's political.
> I'm tired of people saying that the conservatives aren't on
> the side
> of the blind.
> When it comes to currency, they are.
> Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to the gold
> standard?
> Coins are the answer to the problem.
> We can identify the coins, by their texture.
> We can't do this with paper currency.
> That solves the problems with our currency.
> This would help everyone, including us.
> #1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
> #2. You can't counterfeit coins.
> #3, (Here's the thing that will help blind people,) We can
> identify
> coins by their texture.
> Would there have to be alot of changes made?
> Yes, but is it worth it?
> Yes!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Jessica,
> > Good point. In addition, I would much rather a blind
> person to feel mobil
> > even if they don't have good mobility skills and
> frankly I would rather have
> > audible street lights then to see a blind person get
> killed because they
> > could not figure out how the traffic goes.
> > Anmol
> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps
> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
> vague, like a breeze
> > among flowers.
> > Hellen Keller
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01 PM
> >> There are certain types of
> >> intersections where no matter how long you stand
> there and
> >> listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle
> so in
> >> those cases I actually support aps. Just keep that
> in mind
> >> when someone talks about every intersection being
> crossable
> >> by listening to traffic.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Anmol,
> >> > It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll
> be
> >> possible, some day. Never say
> >> > never, ri9ght?
> >> > But here's the thing. The two
> >> organizations have evolved two
> >> > separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm
> doing
> >> something really bad
> >> > and generalizing. If anyone who knows
> more than
> >> I do wants to correct
> >> > me here, feel free.
> >> > The stance the ACB seems to take more
> often than
> >> not is to make the
> >> > environment more accessible for us.
> This is
> >> evidenced by their
> >> > support for audible street signals (which
> make a lot
> >> of sense to me,
> >> > I'm not really convinced one way or the other
> on that
> >> one yet),
> >> > tactile currency, descriptive movies, the
> provisions
> >> in the ADA to
> >> > make ATMs accessible, the 21st century
> communications
> >> act, their
> >> > support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal
> design in
> >> technology, etc.
> >> > They also use lots of their resources to
> fight
> >> descrimination, at
> >> > least it seems that way to me.
> >> > The NFB, on the other hand, seems to
> more often
> >> than not advocate us
> >> > adapting to the environment. This is
> evidenced
> >> by the strict
> >> > standards of training centers, pushing
> braille,
> >> opposition to the
> >> > tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on
> traffic
> >> rather than
> >> > audible signals (which makes a lot of sense
> to me),
> >> our philosophy
> >> > that with the right training and opportunity
> we can
> >> compete on an
> >> > equal footing, the idea of the blind driver
> challenge,
> >> etc. Of course
> >> > the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in
> the
> >> environment (technology
> >> > bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and
> the ADA
> >> which we also
> >> > supported), and the ACB does advocate for
> quality
> >> independence
> >> > training/O&M. But, those are the
> rough
> >> philosophies of the two
> >> > organizations, if we're going by their
> records.
> >> Is the ACB wrong?
> >> > No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of
> a fit
> >> with my vision of
> >> > blindness. I just think thee two
> separate
> >> methodoligies willkeep us
> >> > from ever uniting as one group...and that's
> ok.
> >> We all have the
> >> > right, even the obligation to advocate for
> ourselves
> >> and those we
> >> > represent. The ACB does it their way,
> we do it
> >> ours. Sometimes there
> >> > is overlap, lots of times our philosophies
> take us in
> >> different
> >> > directions and put us on opposite sides of
> important
> >> issues. When our
> >> > aims are the same (or similar), we need to
> work
> >> together and present a
> >> > united front. When we are at odds
> (which we
> >> often are, the two
> >> > organizations really are very different), we
> both have
> >> the right to
> >> > push our separate agendas and attempt to get
> our
> >> policies implimented.
> >> > Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
> >> politics. We don't have
> >> > to be bitter about it and, on the personal
> level, we
> >> can still be good
> >> > friends even when our politics are at odds.
> >> > Just my thoughts,
> >> > Kirt
> >> >
> >> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Kirt,
> >> >> You bring some vary valid points, and yes
> we have
> >> beaten the
> >> >> democrats/republicans analogy to
> death but
> >> it keeps coming up as a
> >> >> comparison, so I will just say one thing
> about
> >> this. I may have already said
> >> >> this before on the list, but please
> furgive me if
> >> I have. The blind
> >> >> community is a to small of a community to
> be
> >> divided on partizen lines like
> >> >> democrats and republicans, and our
> challenges are
> >> to great to be divided
> >> >> like democrats and republicans. Sure
> there will be
> >> differences between
> >> >> members of the ACB and members of the NFB
> on how
> >> business should be
> >> >> conducted, but honestly there differences
> between
> >> members of each
> >> >> organization on how their organization
> should do
> >> business.
> >> >> True there were disagreement on how
> business
> >> should and leadership issues
> >> >> causing the split between the NFB and
> ACB, I
> >> consider the leadership issues
> >> >> to be pitty differences. Often when one
> candidate
> >> loses, they and their
> >> >> supporters go and form their on
> organization or
> >> chapter. This happened at my
> >> >> local NFB chapter and as a result we have
> two NFB
> >> chapters in a small town.
> >> >> Now some may consider this to be a good
> thing, but
> >> think about how much more
> >> >> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter
> in
> >> Fayetteville in recruiting,
> >> >> fund raising and my volunteers for
> events. In
> >> addition, these types of
> >> >> childish arguements causes many blind
> people who
> >> otherwise may be involved
> >> >> in a blind organization to be a "fense
> sitters".
> >> Now using this analogy to
> >> >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds
> that NFB
> >> has, but they are not
> >> >> poor eather. Their attendence is not as
> large at
> >> the conventions, but it is
> >> >> not small eather. Think if both of these
> >> organizations were together how
> >> >> much more money we would have to do
> policy that
> >> each organization does or
> >> >> the advocacy work that each
> organization
> >> does, and think about how much
> >> >> larger the convention would be. We would
> pack two
> >> hotels full or near full.
> >> >> In addition, think about how much venders
> would be
> >> giving out in prizes
> >> >> because now insteading having to spend
> money to
> >> send their workers to two
> >> >> convention, they will only have to send
> their
> >> workers to one convention. In
> >> >> addition, most venders give out big
> prizes at each
> >> convention and if there
> >> >> was only one convention, they can give
> two
> >> prizes.
> >> >> However, you are right in that
> realistically the
> >> two organizations will not
> >> >> merge any time soon.
> >> >>
> >> >> best wishes,
> >> >> Anmol
> >> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and
> they
> >> never make me sad. Perhaps
> >> >> there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but it
> >> is vague, like a breeze
> >> >> among flowers.
> >> >> Hellen Keller
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> >>> into History, Race for Independence,
> Wed. June
> >> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind
> Students
> >> mailing list"
> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51
> PM
> >> >>> Anmol,
> >> >>> I don't really see a
> merger
> >> happening any time soon,
> >> >>> nor would I
> >> >>> want it to. We've all beaten
> the
> >> democrat/republican
> >> >>> analogy to
> >> >>> death...but imagine Barack Obama and
> Mitt
> >> Romney in the
> >> >>> same political
> >> >>> party. It just wouldn't work.
> >> There are huge
> >> >>> differences. It
> >> >>> doesn't make the NFB better for
> everyone, but
> >> it makes the
> >> >>> NFB better
> >> >>> for me. I have lots of respect
> for my
> >> friends in the
> >> >>> ACB who stand up
> >> >>> and fight for their agenda.
> Lots of the
> >> times, it's
> >> >>> the same as mine.
> >> >>> When it's not, we can talk without
> being
> >> jackasses to each
> >> >>> other and,
> >> >>> in a lot of cases, the disagreement
> actually
> >> strengthens
> >> >>> our
> >> >>> friendship.
> >> >>> I say diversity is
> good,
> >> competition is good, we
> >> >>> need a free market
> >> >>> of ideas. I respect ACB and the
> sincere
> >> people there
> >> >>> trying to make
> >> >>> the lives of blind people
> better. I
> >> happen to find
> >> >>> the Federation
> >> >>> philosophy and method more meaningful
> for
> >> me. I want
> >> >>> to understand
> >> >>> the split. From the little bit
> of
> >> studying I've done,
> >> >>> I don't really
> >> >>> think it was petty personal
> differences but
> >> rather
> >> >>> differing
> >> >>> philosophies about methodology and
> leadership
> >> that drove
> >> >>> the two
> >> >>> groups to separate. We can be
> different
> >> without being
> >> >>> petty. We can
> >> >>> disagree without being bigots.
> When our
> >> two
> >> >>> organizations come down
> >> >>> on opposite sides of important
> issues, as we
> >> often do, we
> >> >>> need not be
> >> >>> arrogant or self-rightious because we
> think
> >> we're
> >> >>> right. The fact is,
> >> >>> we disagree. And I think the
> >> disagreements are too
> >> >>> central to our
> >> >>> respective organizations for us to
> ever become
> >> one.
> >> >>> But that doesn't
> >> >>> mean we can't be friends, especially
> on a
> >> personal level.
> >> >>> Best,
> >> >>> Kirt
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> Kirt,
> >> >>>> You are bringing up some vary
> good
> >> points...
> >> >>> Understanding the history of
> >> >>>> the NFB and ACB is an import part
> in the
> >> history in
> >> >>> the blind movement and
> >> >>>> an important part in the history
> of two
> >> organizations.
> >> >>> Frankly in it is just
> >> >>>> my oppinion both organizations
> bring value
> >> and have
> >> >>> and continue to make a
> >> >>>> difference for blind people
> across America
> >> on a daily
> >> >>> bases. It is a shame
> >> >>>> that this split happened and just
> maybe
> >> the next
> >> >>> generation of blind
> >> >>>> individuals our generation or
> those who
> >> are younger
> >> >>> then can bring the two
> >> >>>> organizations together once
> again. Now
> >> this is just my
> >> >>> translation and my
> >> >>>> oppinion, but it seems to
> me that
> >> the NFB ACB
> >> >>> split happened over pitty
> >> >>>> differences and two individuals
> with
> >> different ideas
> >> >>> fighting for power. It
> >> >>>> seems to me that the hate the
> two
> >> organizations have
> >> >>> towards each other is
> >> >>>> not as strong amongest this
> generation.
> >> Infact many
> >> >>> members of NABS of ACB
> >> >>>> and NABS of NFB are friends in
> life and
> >> attack on the
> >> >>> other organization is
> >> >>>> usually not
> allow on each
> >> organization's mailing
> >> >>> list.
> >> >>>> Dave, you are right that ACB does
> not have
> >> the same
> >> >>> amount of people
> >> >>>> attending its' convention, but
> their
> >> attendence is not
> >> >>> small eather. I would
> >> >>>> guess 1500 attend the ACB
> convention and
> >> all the major
> >> >>> venders who attend
> >> >>>> the NFB convention attend the
> ACB
> >> convention. There
> >> >>> are also quite a few
> >> >>>> young people who attend the ACB
> >> convention.
> >> >>>> Yes ACB does its' business
> different then
> >> NFB, but
> >> >>> thats why they are a
> >> >>>> different organization. However,
> this does
> >> not make
> >> >>> them any worse or better
> >> >>>> then the NFB.
> >> >>>> Just my thoughts and it would be
> great if
> >> we keep the
> >> >>> attacks on each
> >> >>>> organization to as less as
> possible.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Anmol
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I seldom think about my
> limitations, and
> >> they never
> >> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
> >> >>>> there is just a touch of yearning
> at
> >> times; but it is
> >> >>> vague, like a breeze
> >> >>>> among flowers.
> >> >>>> Hellen Keller
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> >>>>> into History, Race for
> Independence,
> >> Wed. June 22,
> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>>>> To: "National Association of
> Blind
> >> Students
> >> >>> mailing list"
> >> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011,
> 12:25
> >> PM
> >> >>>>> Dave,
> >> >>>>> How long ago
> was
> >> this? Things could've
> >> >>> changed
> >> >>>>> since you last went
> >> >>>>> if it's been a while, maybe?
> >> And, with respect,
> >> >>> this
> >> >>>>> is a big deal to
> >> >>>>> a lot of us. I know for
> me it's
> >> a lot more than
> >> >>> a
> >> >>>>> "small
> >> >>>>> consideration", I like to
> know the
> >> past as much as
> >> >>> I can
> >> >>>>> because it
> >> >>>>> shaped the here and
> now. I can
> >> read the books
> >> >>> put out
> >> >>>>> by each
> >> >>>>> organization-they probably
> both have
> >> lots of the
> >> >>> truth
> >> >>>>> intermingled
> >> >>>>> with their respective
> agendas.
> >> But nothing
> >> >>> beats
> >> >>>>> talking to people
> >> >>>>> who have studied the issues
> or,
> >> preferably, people
> >> >>> who were
> >> >>>>> actually
> >> >>>>> there.
> >> >>>>> All the
> best,
> >> >>>>> Kirt
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 6/21/11, David Andrews
> <dandrews at visi.com>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> The two biggest things I
> noticed
> >> at an ACB
> >> >>> national
> >> >>>>> convention were
> >> >>>>>> that the crowd was
> considerably
> >> smaller than
> >> >>> that at a
> >> >>>>> NFB convention
> >> >>>>>> -- less exhibits etc.
> too.
> >> The second
> >> >>> things was
> >> >>>>> that there were few
> >> >>>>>> young persons -- some
> but
> >> noticeably not
> >> >>> very
> >> >>>>> many. One of the major
> >> >>>>>> things that the ACB has
> pushed in
> >> the past is
> >> >>> that it
> >> >>>>> is different
> >> >>>>>> from the NFB, it does
> things
> >> differently
> >> >>> etc.
> >> >>>>> This doesn't really
> >> >>>>>> matter to younger people
> though,
> >> so they have
> >> >>> little
> >> >>>>> reason to join, so
> >> >>>>>> don't.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> You guys can spend lots
> of time on
> >> the
> >> >>> history, and
> >> >>>>> differences if
> >> >>>>>> you want -- but what is
> the
> >> point. It
> >> >>> happened,
> >> >>>>> it is over with and
> >> >>>>>> done. Yes we can
> and should
> >> learn from our
> >> >>>>> history, but it is just
> >> >>>>>> one small consideration.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Dave
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011,
> you wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> Dave,
> >> >>>>>>> I do see
> your
> >> point. Those
> >> >>>>> alive at the time are not,
> and will
> >> >>>>>>> probabluy never be
> >> friends. Heck,
> >> >>> getting
> >> >>>>> them to actually talk in
> >> >>>>>>> peace would be the
> achievement
> >> of the
> >> >>>>> century! if
> such a
> >> call were
> >> >>>>>>> to hypothetically
> happen, how
> >> could we
> >> >>> keep it from
> >> >>>>> opening old wounds
> >> >>>>>>> and stoking old
> fires?
> >> >>>>>>> Best,
> >> >>>>>>> Kirt
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On 6/20/11, Chris
> Nusbaum
> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> Dave,
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Our joint
> conference call
> >> isn't
> >> >>> associated
> >> >>>>> whatsoever with the
> >> >>>>>>>> proposition of a
> change in
> >> the NFB
> >> >>>>> bylaw. If I'm setting
> this
> >> >>>>>>>> up, which it
> appears I am,
> >> I didn't
> >> >>> even have
> >> >>>>> the intention of
> >> >>>>>>>> mentioning that
> >> proposition on the
> >> >>>>> call. The call's
> purpose is
> >> >>>>>>>> to learn the
> history of
> >> the NFB/ACB,
> >> >>> with a
> >> >>>>> little emphasis on
> >> >>>>>>>> the "civil war"
> period,
> >> from both
> >> >>> sides so we
> >> >>>>> are informed. I
> >> >>>>>>>> also want this
> call to
> >> start a
> >> >>> discussion on
> >> >>>>> the history of our
> >> >>>>>>>> movement and what
> we can
> >> learn from
> >> >>> it, not
> >> >>>>> only as
> >> >>>>>>>> Federationists,
> but as
> >> blind
> >> >>> students.
> >> >>>>> Jorge and I have found
> >> >>>>>>>> some ways that we
> can hold
> >> the call
> >> >>> without
> >> >>>>> making it a NABS
> >> >>>>>>>> membership call,
> if it is
> >> entirely
> >> >>>>> necessary. And as to
> your
> >> >>>>>>>> comments about
> them not
> >> being our
> >> >>> friends,
> >> >>>>> then using your
> >> >>>>>>>> argument, the
> Republicans
> >> should not
> >> >>> hear the
> >> >>>>> Democrats point of
> >> >>>>>>>> view in meetings
> of
> >> Congress, but
> >> >>> the two
> >> >>>>> parties should be
> >> >>>>>>>> separated from
> each other
> >> for fear
> >> >>> of their
> >> >>>>> own side being
> >> >>>>>>>> attacked.
> We can
> >> keep our same
> >> >>>>> opinions, and probably many
> >> >>>>>>>> Federationists
> and Council
> >> members
> >> >>> who attend
> >> >>>>> this call will.
> >> >>>>>>>> This is just a
> way that we
> >> can be
> >> >>> more
> >> >>>>> informed when forming
> >> >>>>>>>> these opinions.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>> Chris
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> >> loss of
> >> >>> vision!"
> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> >>>>>>>> To learn more
> about Camp
> >> Abilities
> >> >>> and find a
> >> >>>>> local camp near
> >> >>>>>>>> you, just click
> on this
> >> link to
> >> >>> their
> >> >>>>> national Web site:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> www.campabilities.org.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
> >> Foundation helps
> >> >>> visually
> >> >>>>> impaired youth in
> >> >>>>>>>> Maryland have the
> ability
> >> to
> >> >>> confidently say
> >> >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
> >> >>>>>>>> on this link to
> learn more
> >> and to
> >> >>>>> contribute:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from
> >> my BrailleNote
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>> -----
> >> Original Message -----
> >> >>>>>>>> From: David
> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> >> >>>>>>>> To: National
> Association
> >> of Blind
> >> >>> Students
> >> >>>>> mailing list
> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun,
> 19 Jun
> >> 2011 20:39:01
> >> >>> -0500
> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride
> into
> >> History, Race
> >> >>> for
> >> >>>>> Independence, Wed.
> June
> >> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Chris:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I don't want to
> friend
> >> anyone -- but
> >> >>> I think
> >> >>>>> this is a terrible
> >> >>>>>>>> idea!
> Remember the
> >> ACB split off
> >> >>> from
> >> >>>>> the NFB because they
> >> >>>>>>>> thought
> >> >>>>>>>> that we were all
> wrong,
> >> did our
> >> >>> business in
> >> >>>>> the wrong way etc. I
> >> >>>>>>>> am
> >> >>>>>>>> not going to say
> that we
> >> can't learn
> >> >>> anything
> >> >>>>> from the ACB, but
> >> >>>>>>>> not a
> >> >>>>>>>> history
> lesson. I
> >> was at a ACb
> >> >>> National
> >> >>>>> Convention a few years
> >> >>>>>>>> ago
> >> >>>>>>>> -- and heard the
> NFB
> >> attacked openly
> >> >>> and
> >> >>>>> indirectly. These
> folks
> >> >>>>>>>> are
> >> >>>>>>>> not our
> friends. We
> >> can work
> >> >>> jointly at
> >> >>>>> times, and should, and I
> >> >>>>>>>> don't think we
> should be
> >> against
> >> >>> them, for
> >> >>>>> the sake of it, as
> >> >>>>>>>> some of
> >> >>>>>>>> my old-timer
> friends are
> >> -- but a
> >> >>> joint
> >> >>>>> conference call on
> >> >>>>>>>> consideration of
> a change
> >> to a NFB
> >> >>> division
> >> >>>>> bylaw is going to
> >> >>>>>>>> far!
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Dave
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> At 12:53 PM
> 6/19/2011, you
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> Kirt,
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I have a friend
> in the
> >> Council that
> >> >>> I will
> >> >>>>> see Monday night, so I
> >> >>>>>>>> plan to give this
> idea to
> >> him and
> >> >>> ask if he
> >> >>>>> knows someone in the
> >> >>>>>>>> Council that
> would be
> >> knowledgeable
> >> >>> enough
> >> >>>>> and willing to attend
> >> >>>>>>>> this call on
> behalf of the
> >> Council
> >> >>> as an
> >> >>>>> expert on their history.
> >> >>>>>>>> Maybe it would be
> better
> >> if someone
> >> >>> like me
> >> >>>>> moderated. Keep in
> >> >>>>>>>> mind
> >> >>>>>>>> that I did
> volunteer, but
> >> I'm not
> >> >>> degrading
> >> >>>>> anyone else, I'm just
> >> >>>>>>>> using myself as
> an example
> >> here.
> >> >>> I'm a
> >> >>>>> member of the Federation,
> >> >>>>>>>> but I'm not a
> hard-line
> >> "NFB is
> >> >>> good, ACB
> >> >>>>> bad" person, so I
> >> >>>>>>>> wouldn't
> >> >>>>>>>> show any bias to
> NFB or
> >> ACB. I
> >> >>> also am
> >> >>>>> not currently a
> >> >>>>>>>> contributing
> >> >>>>>>>> (due-paying)
> member of
> >> NABS, so I'm
> >> >>> not a
> >> >>>>> leader in it of
> >> >>>>>>>> course.
> That way, we
> >> wouldn't have
> >> >>> any
> >> >>>>> bias.
> >> >>>>>>>> I think it would
> be easy
> >> to have it
> >> >>> jointly
> >> >>>>> attended even if it's
> >> >>>>>>>> an
> >> >>>>>>>> official NABS
> call.
> >> If we have a
> >> >>>>> representative of ACB on the
> >> >>>>>>>> call,
> >> >>>>>>>> we could probably
> easily
> >> get other
> >> >>> members of
> >> >>>>> ACB on the call to
> >> >>>>>>>> kind of back up
> or add to
> >> that
> >> >>> guest
> >> >>>>> speaker's information.
> >> >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Chris
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> >> loss of
> >> >>> vision!"
> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> >>>>>>>> To learn more
> about Camp
> >> Abilities
> >> >>> and find a
> >> >>>>> local camp near
> >> >>>>>>>> you,
> >> >>>>>>>> just click on
> this link to
> >> their
> >> >>> national Web
> >> >>>>> site:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> www.campabilities.org.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
> >> Foundation helps
> >> >>> visually
> >> >>>>> impaired youth in
> >> >>>>>>>> Maryland
> >> >>>>>>>> have the ability
> to
> >> confidently say
> >> >>> "I can!"
> >> >>>>> How? Click on this
> >> >>>>>>>> link
> >> >>>>>>>> to learn more and
> to
> >> contribute:
> >> >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Sent from my
> BrailleNote
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original
> Message
> >> -----
> >> >>>>>>>> From: Kirt
> Manwaring
> >> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >> >>>>>>>> To: National
> Association
> >> of Blind
> >> >>> Students
> >> >>>>> mailing list
> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun,
> 19 Jun
> >> 2011 00:45:08
> >> >>> -0600
> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride
> into
> >> History, Race
> >> >>> for
> >> >>>>> Independence, Wed.
> June
> >> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Carley,
> >> >>>>>>>> The
> two
> >> organizations don't
> >> >>>>> really claim to be "friends"
> as
> >> >>>>>>>> such-it
> >> >>>>>>>> seems like now
> they just
> >> mostly
> >> >>> ignore each
> >> >>>>> other, work jointly
> >> >>>>>>>> when
> >> >>>>>>>> their agendas
> converge and
> >> play
> >> >>> politics when
> >> >>>>> they don't. Maybe
> >> >>>>>>>> they
> >> >>>>>>>> aren't enemies,
> but the
> >> official
> >> >>>>> organizations don't really
> >> >>>>>>>> advertise
> >> >>>>>>>> themselves as
> friends.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> While it
> >> would be great to
> >> >>>>> have people from both
> organizations
> >> >>>>>>>> participate in a
> joint
> >> call, I don't
> >> >>> see it
> >> >>>>> happening. Here's
> >> >>>>>>>> hoping
> >> >>>>>>>> though, I
> guess It's
> >> certainly a
> >> >>> nice
> >> >>>>> thought-although, if the
> >> >>>>>>>> call
> >> >>>>>>>> were to have
> presentations
> >> from
> >> >>> members of
> >> >>>>> both organizations, it
> >> >>>>>>>> probably should
> be jointly
> >> moderated
> >> >>> and
> >> >>>>> attended. The NFB (or
> >> >>>>>>>> probably even
> NABS) would,
> >> I'm
> >> >>> betting, not
> >> >>>>> be inclined to go
> >> >>>>>>>> there.
> >> >>>>>>>> So maybe we'll
> have better
> >> luck
> >> >>> going through
> >> >>>>> unnoficial channels
> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>> setting this up
> on our
> >> own? No
> >> >>> need to
> >> >>>>> make it an official event
> >> >>>>>>>> for
> >> >>>>>>>> either the
> Federation or
> >> the
> >> >>> Council-I think
> >> >>>>> it's safe to say
> >> >>>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>>> idea was doomed
> to fail
> >> before it
> >> >>> was brought
> >> >>>>> up.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> Best,
> >> >>>>>>>> Kirt
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/18/11, Chris
> Nusbaum
> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> And, as I said
> before, I
> >> would be
> >> >>> very
> >> >>>>> willing to moderate this
> >> >>>>>>>> call.
> Please keep me
> >> posted!
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> Chris
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> >> loss of
> >> >>> vision!"
> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
> >> >>>>>>>> To learn more
> about Camp
> >> Abilities
> >> >>> and find a
> >> >>>>> local camp near
> >> >>>>>>>> you, just click
> on this
> >> link to
> >> >>> their
> >> >>>>> national Web site:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> www.campabilities.org.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
> >> Foundation helps
> >> >>> visually
> >> >>>>> impaired youth in
> >> >>>>>>>> Maryland have the
> ability
> >> to
> >> >>> confidently say
> >> >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
> >> >>>>>>>> on this link to
> learn more
> >> and to
> >> >>>>> contribute:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> www.icanfoundation.info.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Sent
> from my
> >> BrailleNote
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> -----
> >> Original Message
> >> >>>>> -----
> >> >>>>>>>> From: Ignasi
> Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> >> >>>>>>>> To: National
> Association
> >> of Blind
> >> >>> Students
> >> >>>>> mailing list
> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sat,
> 18 Jun
> >> 2011 18:51:04
> >> >>> -0400
> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
> >> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride
> into
> >> History, Race
> >> >>> for
> >> >>>>> Independence, Wed.
> June
> >> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> This call would
> be very
> >> interesting
> >> >>>>> indeed. If
> representatives
> >> >>>>>>>> from both
> organizations
> >> are willing
> >> >>> to
> >> >>>>> participate, it can really
> >> >>>>>>>> be productive in
> many
> >> ways.
> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2011,
> at 1:46
> >> PM, Carly
> >> >>> Mihalakis
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Good
> morning,
> >> list,
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> A
> few days
> >> ago, someone on
> >> >>>>> the NABS list suggested
> a
> >> >>>>>>>> conference
> >> >>>>>>>> call bringing
> clarity to a
> >> younger
> >> >>>>> generation. What,
> exactly, is
> >> >>>>>>>> the history of
> the
> >> ideological
> >> >>> parting of
> >> >>>>> ways, between the
> >> >>>>>>>> Federation and
> the
> >> Council? Does
> >> >>> anybody know
> >> >>>>> today, the history
> >> >>>>>>>> of this division
> or is it
> >> a product
> >> >>> of sheer
> >> >>>>> habit as is the case
> >> >>>>>>>> with Republicans
> and
> >> Democrats? If
> >> >>> such a
> >> >>>>> meeting of both
> >> >>>>>>>> entities were to
> take
> >> place, There
> >> >>> ought to
> >> >>>>> be representation of
> >> >>>>>>>> both
> organizations
> >> so that a
> >> >>> wholistic
> >> >>>>> portrait of this issue
> >> >>>>>>>> can be
> exercised.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> and
> its split
> >> from the
> >> >>>>> ACB. This seems like a
> >> productive and
> >> >>>>>>>> enlightening
> discussion
> >> but I
> >> >>> wonder, if the
> >> >>>>> Federation and the
> >> >>>>>>>> council claim to
> be
> >> friends, should
> >> >>> there not
> >> >>>>> be representation
> >> >>>>>>>> from
> >> both sides, identifying
> >> >>>>> their position and
> whereabouts
> >> >>>>>>>> they stand, in
> this? At
> >> >>>>>>>> ----
> Original
> >> Message
> >> >>>>> ------
> >> >>>>>>>>
> From: "Joe
> >> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
> >> >>>>> (by way of David
> >> >>>>>>>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> Subject:
> >> >>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
> Our Eyes
> >> interview,
> >> >>> Ride
> >> >>>>>>>> into History,Race
> for
> >> >>> Independence,
> >> >>>>> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm
> EDT
> >> >>>>>>>> Date
> sent:
> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
> >> >>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Save
> The
> >> Date:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On
> Wednesday,
> >> June 22,at
> >> >>>>> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our
> Eyes host,
> >> >>>>>>>> Joe
> >> >>>>>>>>
> Ruffalo will
> >> interview
> >> >>>>> Parnell Diggs, chair of the
> >> Imagination
> >> >>>>>>>> Fund,
> >> >>>>>>>> Race
> for
> >> Independence.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> The
> interview
> >> will highlight
> >> >>>>> current and past grants
> awarded to
> >> >>>>>>>> state
> >> >>>>>>>>
> affiliates
> >> and chapters.
> >> >>>>>>>> In
> addition,
> >> featured will
> >> >>>>> be Imaginators who will share
> the
> >> >>>>>>>> methods
> >> >>>>>>>> to
> make the
> >> ask to make a
> >> >>>>> difference in changing what
> it means
> >> >>>>>>>> to be blind.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> Special
> >> highlight of the
> >> >>>>> interview will be the
> announcement of
> >> >>>>>>>> the 30
> >> >>>>>>>>
> winners who
> >> will have the
> >> >>>>> opportunity to be driven by a
> blind
> >> >>>>>>>> driver
> >> >>>>>>>>
> while
> >> attending
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> national
> >> convention in
> >> >>>>> Orlando.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> Witness the
> >> opportunity to
> >> >>>>> ride into history!
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> To
> watch and
> >> listen to the
> >> >>>>> interview, please visit the
> >> >>>>>>>> following:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> For
> JAWS
> >> users and mobile
> >> >>>>> phone users, please visit
> the
> >> >>>>>>>> following:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> m.thruoureyes.org
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> Other options
> >> to watch or
> >> >>>>> listen can be found on the
> sites
> >> >>>>>>>> listed above.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> To
> call in
> >> with comments or
> >> >>>>> questions, please dial the
> >> >>>>>>>> following:
> >> >>>>>>>> 1
> 888 572
> >> 0141
> >> >>>>>>>> Join
> us to
> >> Make a
> >> >>>>> Difference!
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>
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