[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Carly Mihalakis carlymih at earthlink.net
Wed Jun 22 23:06:20 UTC 2011



Hi, Bernadette and Hamberto,

         I was confused. We don't use the Noteteller though we did 
see it demonstrated at some seminar. We concluded the same though 
that, it too was a piece of skat!At 02:59 PM 6/22/2011, Jessica Silva wrote:
>actually there is the one he speaks of but also there is the one 
>made by the US treasury. it's called eyeNote and it's free.
>
>On Wed Jun 22nd, 2011 3:39 PM MDT Josh Gregory wrote:
>
> >They've got an ap to help with identifying money for I O S 
> devices, that was mentioned on this list before I think.  I have 
> heard it's only 2 bucks but that it works well.  It might be in the 
> ap store, but not having a device to check on, I'm not sure.
> >Best,
> >Josh
> >
> >sent from my Apex
> >Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
> >To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:11:10 -0700
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes 
> interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed.  June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >
> >Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want to know what
> >it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it is? I know
> >is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if that sighted
> >person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
> >I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the iBill identifier
> >if they were even cheaper.  If they were so, I would buy one or the other,
> >but so far, I can not afford either one.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >Of Kirt Manwaring
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:01 PM
> >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >into History, Race for Independence, Wed.  June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >
> >Joshua,
> > Valid points.  I've got a solution for you that doesn't cost a
> >thing.  Get a sighted person you trust to tell you what your bills are
> >when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them in the
> >future.  Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going to fit in to
> >the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
> > BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display?  Not ideal maybe but, hey,
> >maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get something with
> >that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40 cell.  I used a
> >20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex for my first
> >year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
> > Best,
> >Kirt
> >
> >On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> >This is what Allan Ramos told me.
> >He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
> >He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the Blind,) (not to
> >be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
> >I'm going on what he said.
> >Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew Jackson.
> >Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his book, "Growth."
> >I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative, but we don't have
> >such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small town.
> >It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB to push the
> >companies that make accessible technologies, to make their technology
> >affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
> >That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge, (for example.)
> >They will make this car, but they have to charge an obseen amount of
> >money, for it.
> >I'm not going to be able to afford it.
> >I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille display, and my
> >state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
> >I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,) the IBill costs
> >$100.
> >The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is as small as a
> >giga-pet.
> >I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
> >Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
> >Make it affordable!
> >Blessings, Joshua
> >
> >On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Josh,
> >Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but not realistic.  Can you
> >see
> >a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper currency has been and will
> >always be a fabric of this country as it is in every country.  Which
> >country
> >has only coins and know paper currency?
> >I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please correct me, but I do
> >not
> >think that ACB is advocating only braille notes.  From my understanding
> >they
> >have been advocating a form of paper currency which is accessible  and
> >afordable.  Ovisily braille is not the most afordable means to make paper
> >currency accessible.
> >
> >Anmol
> >I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.  Perhaps
> >there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
> >breeze
> >among flowers.
> >Hellen Keller
> >
> >
> >--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> >wrote:
> >
> >From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
> >Ride
> >into History, Race for Independence, Wed.  June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
> >Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
> >accessible currency.
> >What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
> >That isn't going to work.
> >I have the answer to the problem.
> >First of all, it's political.
> >I'm tired of people saying that the conservatives aren't on
> >the side
> >of the blind.
> >When it comes to currency, they are.
> >Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to the gold
> >standard?
> >Coins are the answer to the problem.
> >We can identify the coins, by their texture.
> >We can't do this with paper currency.
> >That solves the problems with our currency.
> >This would help everyone, including us.
> >#1.  You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
> >#2.  You can't counterfeit coins.
> >#3, (Here's the thing that will help blind people,) We can
> >identify
> >coins by their texture.
> >Would there have to be alot of changes made?
> >Yes, but is it worth it?
> >Yes!
> >Blessings, Joshua
> >
> >On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
> >Jessica,
> >Good point.  In addition, I would much rather a blind
> >person to feel mobil
> >even if they don't have good mobility skills and
> >frankly I would rather have
> >audible street lights then to see a blind person get
> >killed because they
> >could not figure out how the traffic goes.
> >Anmol
> >I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> >make me sad.  Perhaps
> >there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
> >vague, like a breeze
> >among flowers.
> >Hellen Keller
> >
> >
> >--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >into History, Race for Independence, Wed.  June 22,
> >8:00 pm EDT
> >To: "National Association of Blind Students
> >mailing list"
> ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01 PM
> >There are certain types of
> >intersections where no matter how long you stand
> >there and
> >listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle
> >so in
> >those cases I actually support aps.  Just keep that
> >in mind
> >when someone talks about every intersection being
> >crossable
> >by listening to traffic.
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring
> ><kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >Anmol,
> > It's a nice thought.  Maybe it'll
> >be
> >possible, some day.  Never say
> >never, ri9ght?
> > But here's the thing.  The two
> >organizations have evolved two
> >separate philosophies and mindsets.  I'm
> >doing
> >something really bad
> >and generalizing.  If anyone who knows
> >more than
> >I do wants to correct
> >me here, feel free.
> > The stance the ACB seems to take more
> >often than
> >not is to make the
> >environment more accessible for us.
> >This is
> >evidenced by their
> >support for audible street signals (which
> >make a lot
> >of sense to me,
> >I'm not really convinced one way or the other
> >on that
> >one yet),
> >tactile currency, descriptive movies, the
> >provisions
> >in the ADA to
> >make ATMs accessible, the 21st century
> >communications
> >act, their
> >support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal
> >design in
> >technology, etc.
> >They also use lots of their resources to
> >fight
> >descrimination, at
> >least it seems that way to me.
> > The NFB, on the other hand, seems to
> >more often
> >than not advocate us
> >adapting to the environment.  This is
> >evidenced
> >by the strict
> >standards of training centers, pushing
> >braille,
> >opposition to the
> >tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on
> >traffic
> >rather than
> >audible signals (which makes a lot of sense
> >to me),
> >our philosophy
> >that with the right training and opportunity
> >we can
> >compete on an
> >equal footing, the idea of the blind driver
> >challenge,
> >etc.  Of course
> >the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in
> >the
> >environment (technology
> >bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and
> >the ADA
> >which we also
> >supported), and the ACB does advocate for
> >quality
> >independence
> >training/O&M.  But, those are the
> >rough
> >philosophies of the two
> >organizations, if we're going by their
> >records.
> >Is the ACB wrong?
> >No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of
> >a fit
> >with my vision of
> >blindness.  I just think thee two
> >separate
> >methodoligies willkeep us
> >from ever uniting as one group...and that's
> >ok.
> >We all have the
> >right, even the obligation to advocate for
> >ourselves
> >and those we
> >represent.  The ACB does it their way,
> >we do it
> >ours.  Sometimes there
> >is overlap, lots of times our philosophies
> >take us in
> >different
> >directions and put us on opposite sides of
> >important
> >issues.  When our
> >aims are the same (or similar), we need to
> >work
> >together and present a
> >united front.  When we are at odds
> >(which we
> >often are, the two
> >organizations really are very different), we
> >both have
> >the right to
> >push our separate agendas and attempt to get
> >our
> >policies implimented.
> >Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
> >politics.  We don't have
> >to be bitter about it and, on the personal
> >level, we
> >can still be good
> >friends even when our politics are at odds.
> > Just my thoughts,
> >Kirt
> >
> >On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
> >Kirt,
> >You bring some vary valid points, and yes
> >we have
> >beaten the
> >democrats/republicans analogy  to
> >death but
> >it keeps coming up as a
> >comparison, so I will just say one thing
> >about
> >this.  I may have already said
> >this before on the list, but please
> >furgive me if
> >I have.  The blind
> >community is a to small of a community to
> >be
> >divided on partizen lines like
> >democrats and republicans, and our
> >challenges are
> >to great to be divided
> >like democrats and republicans.  Sure
> >there will be
> >differences between
> >members of the ACB and members of the NFB
> >on how
> >business should be
> >conducted, but honestly there differences
> >between
> >members of each
> >organization on how their organization
> >should do
> >business.
> >True there were disagreement on how
> >business
> >should and leadership issues
> >causing the split between the NFB and
> >ACB, I
> >consider the leadership issues
> >to be pitty differences.  Often when one
> >candidate
> >loses, they and their
> >supporters go and form their on
> >organization or
> >chapter.  This happened at my
> >local NFB chapter and as a result we have
> >two NFB
> >chapters in a small town.
> >Now some may consider this to be a good
> >thing, but
> >think about how much more
> >we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter
> >in
> >Fayetteville in recruiting,
> >fund raising and my volunteers for
> >events.  In
> >addition, these types of
> >childish arguements causes many blind
> >people who
> >otherwise may be involved
> >in a blind organization to be a "fense
> >sitters".
> >Now using this analogy  to
> >NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds
> >that NFB
> >has, but they are not
> >poor eather.  Their attendence is not as
> >large at
> >the conventions, but it is
> >not small eather.  Think if both of these
> >organizations were together how
> >much more money we would have to do
> >policy that
> >each organization does or
> >the advocacy work that each
> >organization
> >does, and think about how much
> >larger the convention would be.  We would
> >pack two
> >hotels full or near full.
> >In addition, think about how much venders
> >would be
> >giving out in prizes
> >because now insteading having to spend
> >money to
> >send their workers to two
> >convention, they will only have to send
> >their
> >workers to one convention.  In
> >addition, most venders give out big
> >prizes at each
> >convention and if there
> >was only one convention, they can give
> >two
> >prizes.
> >However, you are right in that
> >realistically the
> >two organizations will not
> >merge any time soon.
> >
> >best wishes,
> >Anmol
> >I seldom think about my limitations, and
> >they
> >never make me sad.  Perhaps
> >there is just a touch of yearning at
> >times; but it
> >is vague, like a breeze
> >among flowers.
> >Hellen Keller
> >
> >
> >--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring
> ><kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >[Nfbnet-members-list]
> >Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >into History, Race for Independence,
> >Wed.  June
> >22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >To: "National Association of Blind
> >Students
> >mailing list"
> ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51
> >PM
> >Anmol,
> >  I don't really see a
> >merger
> >happening any time soon,
> >nor would I
> >want it to.  We've all beaten
> >the
> >democrat/republican
> >analogy to
> >death...but imagine Barack Obama and
> >Mitt
> >Romney in the
> >same political
> >party.  It just wouldn't work.
> >There are huge
> >differences.  It
> >doesn't make the NFB better for
> >everyone, but
> >it makes the
> >NFB better
> >for me.  I have lots of respect
> >for my
> >friends in the
> >ACB who stand up
> >and fight for their agenda.
> >Lots of the
> >times, it's
> >the same as mine.
> >When it's not, we can talk without
> >being
> >jackasses to each
> >other and,
> >in a lot of cases, the disagreement
> >actually
> >strengthens
> >our
> >friendship.
> >  I say diversity is
> >good,
> >competition is good, we
> >need a free market
> >of ideas.  I respect ACB and the
> >sincere
> >people there
> >trying to make
> >the lives of blind people
> >better.  I
> >happen to find
> >the Federation
> >philosophy and method more meaningful
> >for
> >me.  I want
> >to understand
> >the split.  From the little bit
> >of
> >studying I've done,
> >I don't really
> >think it was petty personal
> >differences but
> >rather
> >differing
> >philosophies about methodology and
> >leadership
> >that drove
> >the two
> >groups to separate.  We can be
> >different
> >without being
> >petty.  We can
> >disagree without being bigots.
> >When our
> >two
> >organizations come down
> >on opposite sides of important
> >issues, as we
> >often do, we
> >need not be
> >arrogant or self-rightious because we
> >think
> >we're
> >right.  The fact is,
> >we disagree.  And I think the
> >disagreements are too
> >central to our
> >respective organizations for us to
> >ever become
> >one.
> >But that doesn't
> >mean we can't be friends, especially
> >on a
> >personal level.
> >  Best,
> >Kirt
> >
> >On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
> >Kirt,
> >You are bringing up some vary
> >good
> >points...
> >Understanding the history of
> >the NFB and ACB is an import part
> >in the
> >history in
> >the blind movement and
> >an important part in the history
> >of two
> >organizations.
> >Frankly in it is just
> >my oppinion both organizations
> >bring value
> >and have
> >and continue to make a
> >difference for blind people
> >across America
> >on a daily
> >bases.  It is a shame
> >that this split happened and just
> >maybe
> >the next
> >generation of blind
> >individuals our generation or
> >those who
> >are younger
> >then can bring the two
> >organizations together once
> >again.  Now
> >this is just my
> >translation and my
> >oppinion, but  it seems to
> >me that
> >the NFB ACB
> >split happened over pitty
> >differences and two individuals
> >with
> >different ideas
> >fighting for power.  It
> >seems to me that the hate the
> >two
> >organizations have
> >towards each other is
> >not as strong amongest this
> >generation.
> >Infact many
> >members of NABS of ACB
> >and NABS of NFB are friends in
> >life and
> >attack on the
> >other organization is
> >  usually not
> >allow on each
> >organization's mailing
> >list.
> >Dave, you are right that ACB does
> >not have
> >the same
> >amount of people
> >attending its' convention, but
> >their
> >attendence is not
> >small eather.  I would
> >guess 1500 attend the ACB
> >convention and
> >all the major
> >venders who attend
> >the NFB convention attend the
> >ACB
> >convention.  There
> >are also quite a few
> >young people who attend the ACB
> >convention.
> >Yes ACB does its' business
> >different then
> >NFB, but
> >thats why they are a
> >different organization.  However,
> >this does
> >not make
> >them any worse or better
> >then the NFB.
> >Just my thoughts and it would be
> >great if
> >we keep the
> >attacks on each
> >organization to as less as
> >possible.
> >
> >Anmol
> >
> >
> >I seldom think about my
> >limitations, and
> >they never
> >make me sad.  Perhaps
> >there is just a touch of yearning
> >at
> >times; but it is
> >vague, like a breeze
> >among flowers.
> >Hellen Keller
> >
> >
> >--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
> >Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >[Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >into History, Race for
> >Independence,
> >Wed.  June 22,
> >8:00 pm EDT
> >To: "National Association of
> >Blind
> >Students
> >mailing list"
> ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011,
> >12:25
> >PM
> >Dave,
> >  How long ago
> >was
> >this?  Things could've
> >changed
> >since you last went
> >if it's been a while, maybe?
> >And, with respect,
> >this
> >is a big deal to
> >a lot of us.  I know for
> >me it's
> >a lot more than
> >a
> >"small
> >consideration", I like to
> >know the
> >past as much as
> >I can
> >because it
> >shaped the here and
> >now.  I can
> >read the books
> >put out
> >by each
> >organization-they probably
> >both have
> >lots of the
> >truth
> >intermingled
> >with their respective
> >agendas.
> >But nothing
> >beats
> >talking to people
> >who have studied the issues
> >or,
> >preferably, people
> >who were
> >actually
> >there.
> >  All the
> >best,
> >Kirt
> >
> >On 6/21/11, David Andrews
> ><dandrews at visi.com
> >wrote:
> >The two biggest things I
> >noticed
> >at an ACB
> >national
> >convention were
> >that the crowd was
> >considerably
> >smaller than
> >that at a
> >NFB convention
> >-- less exhibits etc.
> >too.
> >The second
> >things was
> >that there were few
> >young persons -- some
> >but
> >noticeably not
> >very
> >many.  One of the major
> >things that the ACB has
> >pushed in
> >the past is
> >that it
> >is different
> >from the NFB, it does
> >things
> >differently
> >etc.
> >This doesn't really
> >matter to younger people
> >though,
> >so they have
> >little
> >reason to join, so
> >don't.
> >
> >You guys can spend lots
> >of time on
> >the
> >history, and
> >differences if
> >you want -- but what is
> >the
> >point.  It
> >happened,
> >it is over with and
> >done.  Yes we can
> >and should
> >learn from our
> >history, but it is just
> >one small consideration.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011,
> >you wrote:
> >Dave,
> >   I do see
> >your
> >point.  Those
> >alive at the time are not,
> >and will
> >probabluy never be
> >friends.  Heck,
> >getting
> >them to actually talk in
> >peace would be the
> >achievement
> >of the
> >century!   if
> >such a
> >call were
> >to hypothetically
> >happen, how
> >could we
> >keep it from
> >opening old wounds
> >and stoking old
> >fires?
> >   Best,
> >Kirt
> >
> >On 6/20/11, Chris
> >Nusbaum
> ><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >Dave,
> >
> >Our joint
> >conference call
> >isn't
> >associated
> >whatsoever with the
> >proposition of a
> >change in
> >the NFB
> >bylaw.  If I'm setting
> >this
> >up, which it
> >appears I am,
> >I didn't
> >even have
> >the intention of
> >mentioning that
> >proposition on the
> >call.  The call's
> >purpose is
> >to learn the
> >history of
> >the NFB/ACB,
> >with a
> >little emphasis on
> >the "civil war"
> >period,
> >from both
> >sides so we
> >are informed.  I
> >also want this
> >call to
> >start a
> >discussion on
> >the history of our
> >movement and what
> >we can
> >learn from
> >it, not
> >only as
> >Federationists,
> >but as
> >blind
> >students.
> >Jorge and I have found
> >some ways that we
> >can hold
> >the call
> >without
> >making it a NABS
> >membership call,
> >if it is
> >entirely
> >necessary.  And as to
> >your
> >comments about
> >them not
> >being our
> >friends,
> >then using your
> >argument, the
> >Republicans
> >should not
> >hear the
> >Democrats point of
> >view in meetings
> >of
> >Congress, but
> >the two
> >parties should be
> >separated from
> >each other
> >for fear
> >of their
> >own side being
> >attacked.
> >We can
> >keep our same
> >opinions, and probably many
> >Federationists
> >and Council
> >members
> >who attend
> >this call will.
> >This is just a
> >way that we
> >can be
> >more
> >informed when forming
> >these opinions.
> >
> >
> >  Chris
> >
> >"A loss of sight,
> >never a
> >loss of
> >vision!"
> >(Camp Abilities motto)
> >To learn more
> >about Camp
> >Abilities
> >and find a
> >local camp near
> >you, just click
> >on this
> >link to
> >their
> >national Web site:
> >
> >www.campabilities.org.
> >
> >The I C.A.N.
> >Foundation helps
> >visually
> >impaired youth in
> >Maryland have the
> >ability
> >to
> >confidently say
> >"I can!" How? Click
> >on this link to
> >learn more
> >and to
> >contribute:
> >
> >www.icanfoundation.info.
> >
> >
> >  Sent from
> >my BrailleNote
> >
> >
> >  -----
> >Original Message -----
> >From: David
> >Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> >To: National
> >Association
> >of Blind
> >Students
> >mailing list
> ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date sent: Sun,
> >19 Jun
> >2011 20:39:01
> >-0500
> >Subject: Re:
> >[nabs-l]
> >[Nfbnet-members-list]
> >Threw Our Eyes
> >interview,Ride
> >into
> >History, Race
> >for
> >Independence, Wed.
> >June
> >22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >
> >Chris:
> >
> >I don't want to
> >friend
> >anyone -- but
> >I think
> >this is a terrible
> >idea!
> >Remember the
> >ACB split off
> >from
> >the NFB because they
> >thought
> >that we were all
> >wrong,
> >did our
> >business in
> >the wrong way etc.  I
> >am
> >not going to say
> >that we
> >can't learn
> >anything
> >from the ACB, but
> >not a
> >history
> >lesson.  I
> >was at a ACb
> >National
> >Convention a few years
> >ago
> >-- and heard the
> >NFB
> >attacked openly
> >and
> >indirectly.  These
> >folks
> >are
> >not our
> >friends.  We
> >can work
> >jointly at
> >times, and should, and I
> >don't think we
> >should be
> >against
> >them, for
> >the sake of it, as
> >some of
> >my old-timer
> >friends are
> >-- but a
> >joint
> >conference call on
> >consideration of
> >a change
> >to a NFB
> >division
> >bylaw is going to
> >far!
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >At 12:53 PM
> >6/19/2011, you
> >wrote:
> >Kirt,
> >
> >I have a friend
> >in the
> >Council that
> >I will
> >see Monday night, so I
> >plan to give this
> >idea to
> >him and
> >ask if he
> >knows someone in the
> >Council that
> >would be
> >knowledgeable
> >enough
> >and willing to attend
> >this call on
> >behalf of the
> >Council
> >as an
> >expert on their history.
> >Maybe it would be
> >better
> >if someone
> >like me
> >moderated.  Keep in
> >mind
> >that I did
> >volunteer, but
> >I'm not
> >degrading
> >anyone else, I'm just
> >using myself as
> >an example
> >here.
> >I'm a
> >member of the Federation,
> >but I'm not a
> >hard-line
> >"NFB is
> >good, ACB
> >bad" person, so I
> >wouldn't
> >show any bias to
> >NFB or
> >ACB.  I
> >also am
> >not currently a
> >contributing
> >(due-paying)
> >member of
> >NABS, so I'm
> >not a
> >leader in it of
> >course.
> >That way, we
> >wouldn't have
> >any
> >bias.
> >I think it would
> >be easy
> >to have it
> >jointly
> >attended even if it's
> >an
> >official NABS
> >call.
> >If we have a
> >representative of ACB on the
> >call,
> >we could probably
> >easily
> >get other
> >members of
> >ACB on the call to
> >kind of back up
> >or add to
> >that
> >guest
> >speaker's information.
> >Thoughts?
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >"A loss of sight,
> >never a
> >loss of
> >vision!"
> >(Camp Abilities motto)
> >To learn more
> >about Camp
> >Abilities
> >and find a
> >local camp near
> >you,
> >just click on
> >this link to
> >their
> >national Web
> >site:
> >
> >www.campabilities.org.
> >
> >The I C.A.N.
> >Foundation helps
> >visually
> >impaired youth in
> >Maryland
> >have the ability
> >to
> >confidently say
> >"I can!"
> >How? Click on this
> >link
> >to learn more and
> >to
> >contribute:
> >www.icanfoundation.info.
> >
> >Sent from my
> >BrailleNote
> >
> >----- Original
> >Message
> >-----
> >From: Kirt
> >Manwaring
> ><kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >To: National
> >Association
> >of Blind
> >Students
> >mailing list
> ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date sent: Sun,
> >19 Jun
> >2011 00:45:08
> >-0600
> >Subject: Re:
> >[nabs-l]
> >[Nfbnet-members-list]
> >Threw Our Eyes
> >interview,Ride
> >into
> >History, Race
> >for
> >Independence, Wed.
> >June
> >22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >
> >Carley,
> >   The
> >two
> >organizations don't
> >really claim to be "friends"
> >as
> >such-it
> >seems like now
> >they just
> >mostly
> >ignore each
> >other, work jointly
> >when
> >their agendas
> >converge and
> >play
> >politics when
> >they don't.  Maybe
> >they
> >aren't enemies,
> >but the
> >official
> >organizations don't really
> >advertise
> >themselves as
> >friends.
> >
> >While it
> >would be great to
> >have people from both
> >organizations
> >participate in a
> >joint
> >call, I don't
> >see it
> >happening.  Here's
> >hoping
> >though, I
> >guess  It's
> >certainly a
> >nice
> >thought-although, if the
> >call
> >were to have
> >presentations
> >from
> >members of
> >both organizations, it
> >probably should
> >be jointly
> >moderated
> >and
> >attended.  The NFB (or
> >probably even
> >NABS) would,
> >I'm
> >betting, not
> >be inclined to go
> >there.
> >So maybe we'll
> >have better
> >luck
> >going through
> >unnoficial channels
> >and
> >setting this up
> >on our
> >own?  No
> >need to
> >make it an official event
> >for
> >either the
> >Federation or
> >the
> >Council-I think
> >it's safe to say
> >that
> >idea was doomed
> >to fail
> >before it
> >was brought
> >up.
> >
> >Best,
> >Kirt
> >
> >On 6/18/11, Chris
> >Nusbaum
> ><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >And, as I said
> >before, I
> >would be
> >very
> >willing to moderate this
> >call.
> >Please keep me
> >posted!
> >
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >"A loss of sight,
> >never a
> >loss of
> >vision!"
> >(Camp Abilities motto)
> >To learn more
> >about Camp
> >Abilities
> >and find a
> >local camp near
> >you, just click
> >on this
> >link to
> >their
> >national Web site:
> >
> >www.campabilities.org.
> >
> >The I C.A.N.
> >Foundation helps
> >visually
> >impaired youth in
> >Maryland have the
> >ability
> >to
> >confidently say
> >"I can!" How? Click
> >on this link to
> >learn more
> >and to
> >contribute:
> >
> >www.icanfoundation.info.
> >
> >   Sent
> >from my
> >BrailleNote
> >
> >
> >-----
> >Original Message
> >-----
> >From: Ignasi
> >Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> >To: National
> >Association
> >of Blind
> >Students
> >mailing list
> ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date sent: Sat,
> >18 Jun
> >2011 18:51:04
> >-0400
> >Subject: Re:
> >[nabs-l]
> >[Nfbnet-members-list]
> >Threw Our Eyes
> >interview,Ride
> >into
> >History, Race
> >for
> >Independence, Wed.
> >June
> >22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >
> >This call would
> >be very
> >interesting
> >indeed.  If
> >representatives
> >from both
> >organizations
> >are willing
> >to
> >participate, it can really
> >be productive in
> >many
> >ways.
> >On Jun 18, 2011,
> >at 1:46
> >PM, Carly
> >Mihalakis
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >   Good
> >morning,
> >list,
> >
> >   A
> >few days
> >ago, someone on
> >the NABS list  suggested
> >a
> >conference
> >call bringing
> >clarity to a
> >younger
> >generation.  What,
> >exactly, is
> >the history of
> >the
> >ideological
> >parting of
> >ways, between the
> >Federation and
> >the
> >Council? Does
> >anybody know
> >today, the history
> >of this division
> >or is it
> >a product
> >of sheer
> >habit as is the case
> >with Republicans
> >and
> >Democrats? If
> >such a
> >meeting of both
> >entities were to
> >take
> >place, There
> >ought to
> >be representation of
> >both
> >organizations
> >so that a
> >wholistic
> >portrait of this issue
> >can be
> >exercised.
> >
> >   and
> >its split
> >from the
> >ACB.  This seems like a
> >productive and
> >enlightening
> >discussion
> >but I
> >wonder, if the
> >Federation and the
> >council claim to
> >be
> >friends, should
> >there not
> >be representation
> >from
> >both   sides, identifying
> >their position and
> >whereabouts
> >they stand, in
> >this? At
> >   ----
> >Original
> >Message
> >------
> >
> >From: "Joe
> >Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com
> >(by way of David
> >Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
> >
> >Subject:
> >[Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
> >Our Eyes
> >interview,
> >Ride
> >into History,Race
> >for
> >Independence,
> >Wed.  June 22, 8:00 pm
> >EDT
> >   Date
> >sent:
> >Fri, 17 Jun 2011
> >19:26:45 -0500
> >
> >
> >   Save
> >The
> >Date:
> >
> >   On
> >Wednesday,
> >June 22,at
> >8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our
> >Eyes host,
> >Joe
> >
> >Ruffalo will
> >interview
> >Parnell Diggs, chair of the
> >Imagination
> >Fund,
> >   Race
> >for
> >Independence.
> >
> >   The
> >interview
> >will highlight
> >current and past grants
> >awarded to
> >state
> >
> >affiliates
> >and chapters.
> >   In
> >addition,
> >featured will
> >be Imaginators who will share
> >the
> >methods
> >   to
> >make the
> >ask to make a
> >difference in changing what
> >it means
> >to be blind.
> >
> >
> >Special
> >highlight of the
> >interview will be the
> >announcement of
> >the 30
> >
> >winners who
> >will have the
> >opportunity to be driven by a
> >blind
> >driver
> >
> >while
> >attending
> >   the
> >national
> >convention in
> >Orlando.
> >
> >
> >Witness the
> >opportunity to
> >ride into history!
> >
> >   To
> >watch and
> >listen to the
> >interview, please visit the
> >following:
> >
> ><http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
> >
> >   For
> >JAWS
> >users and mobile
> >phone users, please visit
> >the
> >following:
> >
> >
> >m.thruoureyes.org
> >
> >
> >Other options
> >to watch or
> >listen can be found on the
> >sites
> >listed above.
> >
> >   To
> >call in
> >with comments or
> >questions, please dial the
> >following:
> >   1
> >888 572
> >0141
> >   Join
> >us to
> >Make a
> >Difference!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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