[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Kirt Manwaring
kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Thu Jun 23 01:03:15 UTC 2011
No. When looktell announces the bill, it's certain. Probably even
more so than it would be with a picture.
On 6/22/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> But, wouldn't having a picture be better because it could be
> certain of what the bill was?
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:43:56 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Josh,
> That's right-excpet the 4th generation Touch has a camera on
> the
> front and the back so it's more convenient to use the back, at
> least
> that's what I've found. Looktell will just read out the
> denomination,
> iNote has to take a picture and takes longer.
>
> On 6/22/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Explain how each works. This is why I say it could get
> offtopic.
> I know the 4th generation IPod touch has a front-facing
> camera.
> So, I assume one would simply place the bill under the camera
> and
> the app would tell you what denomination it was?
> Best,
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:26:52 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Na, if we're talking about solutions for accessible currencyk,
> we're
> still on topic. If you're using an iOS device, you can get
> Inote
> which is free or pay 2 dollars and get looktell money reader
> which is
> easier to use.
>
> On 6/22/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you explain offlist, please? I'm afraid we might be getting
> too offtopic if we keep it on.
> Best,
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:59:55 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Yeah, but looktell is better.
>
> On 6/22/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, so that's the one I heard about. The pay one, that is.
> So
> EyeNote's free. Thanks Jessica!
> Best,
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:36:04 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Josh, eyeNote is free. The other I speak of is looktell money
> reader. It is 2 dollars.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Josh Gregory
> <joshkart12 at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Jessica. There's another one? EyeNote is what I was
> talking
> about, but I didn't know there was another one. Do you by any
> chance know it's name?
> Best,
> Josh
> PS: Eyenote's free? Thought you had to pay for it. Well, we
> learn something new every day. (smile)
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jessica Silva <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> actually there is the one he speaks of but also there is the
> one
> made by the US treasury. it's called eyeNote and it's free.
>
> On Wed Jun 22nd, 2011 3:39 PM MDT Josh Gregory wrote:
>
> They've got an ap to help with identifying money for I O S
> devices, that was mentioned on this list before I think. I
> have
> heard it's only 2 bucks but that it works well. It might be
> in
> the ap store, but not having a device to check on, I'm not
> sure.
> Best,
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:11:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I
> want
> to know what
> it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me what
> it
> is? I know
> is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if
> that sighted
> person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
> I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the
> iBill identifier
> if they were even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one
> or
> the other,
> but so far, I can not afford either one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Kirt Manwaring
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:01 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview, Ride
> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm
> EDT
>
> Joshua,
> Valid points. I've got a solution for you that doesn't cost
> a
> thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you what your
> bills are
> when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them in
> the
> future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going to fit
> in
> to
> the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
> BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not ideal maybe
> but,
> hey,
> maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get
> something
> with
> that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40 cell. I
> used
> a
> 20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex for
> my
> first
> year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> wrote:
> This is what Allan Ramos told me.
> He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
> He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the Blind,)
> (not to
> be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
> I'm going on what he said.
> Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew Jackson.
> Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his book,
> "Growth."
> I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative, but we
> don't have
> such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small town.
> It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB to
> push
> the
> companies that make accessible technologies, to make their
> technology
> affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
> That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge, (for
> example.)
> They will make this car, but they have to charge an obseen
> amount of
> money, for it.
> I'm not going to be able to afford it.
> I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille display,
> and
> my
> state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
> I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,) the
> IBill
> costs
> $100.
> The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is as
> small
> as a
> giga-pet.
> I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
> Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
> Make it affordable!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Josh,
> Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but not
> realistic.
> Can you
> see
> a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper currency has
> been
> and will
> always be a fabric of this country as it is in every country.
> Which
> country
> has only coins and know paper currency?
> I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please correct me,
> but I do
> not
> think that ACB is advocating only braille notes. From my
> understanding
> they
> have been advocating a form of paper currency which is
> accessible and
> afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most afordable means
> to
> make paper
> currency accessible.
>
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me
> sad.
> Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
> like a
> breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester
> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> wrote:
>
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
> interview,
> Ride
> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm
> EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
> Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
> accessible currency.
> What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
> That isn't going to work.
> I have the answer to the problem.
> First of all, it's political.
> I'm tired of people saying that the conservatives aren't on
> the side
> of the blind.
> When it comes to currency, they are.
> Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to the gold
> standard?
> Coins are the answer to the problem.
> We can identify the coins, by their texture.
> We can't do this with paper currency.
> That solves the problems with our currency.
> This would help everyone, including us.
> #1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
> #2. You can't counterfeit coins.
> #3, (Here's the thing that will help blind people,) We can
> identify
> coins by their texture.
> Would there have to be alot of changes made?
> Yes, but is it worth it?
> Yes!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Jessica,
> Good point. In addition, I would much rather a blind
> person to feel mobil
> even if they don't have good mobility skills and
> frankly I would rather have
> audible street lights then to see a blind person get
> killed because they
> could not figure out how the traffic goes.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
> vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
> wrote:
>
> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
> 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01 PM
> There are certain types of
> intersections where no matter how long you stand
> there and
> listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle
> so in
> those cases I actually support aps. Just keep that
> in mind
> when someone talks about every intersection being
> crossable
> by listening to traffic.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Anmol,
> It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll
> be
> possible, some day. Never say
> never, ri9ght?
> But here's the thing. The two
> organizations have evolved two
> separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm
> doing
> something really bad
> and generalizing. If anyone who knows
> more than
> I do wants to correct
> me here, feel free.
> The stance the ACB seems to take more
> often than
> not is to make the
> environment more accessible for us.
> This is
> evidenced by their
> support for audible street signals (which
> make a lot
> of sense to me,
> I'm not really convinced one way or the other
> on that
> one yet),
> tactile currency, descriptive movies, the
> provisions
> in the ADA to
> make ATMs accessible, the 21st century
> communications
> act, their
> support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal
> design in
> technology, etc.
> They also use lots of their resources to
> fight
> descrimination, at
> least it seems that way to me.
> The NFB, on the other hand, seems to
> more often
> than not advocate us
> adapting to the environment. This is
> evidenced
> by the strict
> standards of training centers, pushing
> braille,
> opposition to the
> tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on
> traffic
> rather than
> audible signals (which makes a lot of sense
> to me),
> our philosophy
> that with the right training and opportunity
> we can
> compete on an
> equal footing, the idea of the blind driver
> challenge,
> etc. Of course
> the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in
> the
> environment (technology
> bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and
> the ADA
> which we also
> supported), and the ACB does advocate for
> quality
> independence
> training/O&M. But, those are the
> rough
> philosophies of the two
> organizations, if we're going by their
> records.
> Is the ACB wrong?
> No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of
> a fit
> with my vision of
> blindness. I just think thee two
> separate
> methodoligies willkeep us
> from ever uniting as one group...and that's
> ok.
> We all have the
> right, even the obligation to advocate for
> ourselves
> and those we
> represent. The ACB does it their way,
> we do it
> ours. Sometimes there
> is overlap, lots of times our philosophies
> take us in
> different
> directions and put us on opposite sides of
> important
> issues. When our
> aims are the same (or similar), we need to
> work
> together and present a
> united front. When we are at odds
> (which we
> often are, the two
> organizations really are very different), we
> both have
> the right to
> push our separate agendas and attempt to get
> our
> policies implimented.
> Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
> politics. We don't have
> to be bitter about it and, on the personal
> level, we
> can still be good
> friends even when our politics are at odds.
> Just my thoughts,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Kirt,
> You bring some vary valid points, and yes
> we have
> beaten the
> democrats/republicans analogy to
> death but
> it keeps coming up as a
> comparison, so I will just say one thing
> about
> this. I may have already said
> this before on the list, but please
> furgive me if
> I have. The blind
> community is a to small of a community to
> be
> divided on partizen lines like
> democrats and republicans, and our
> challenges are
> to great to be divided
> like democrats and republicans. Sure
> there will be
> differences between
> members of the ACB and members of the NFB
> on how
> business should be
> conducted, but honestly there differences
> between
> members of each
> organization on how their organization
> should do
> business.
> True there were disagreement on how
> business
> should and leadership issues
> causing the split between the NFB and
> ACB, I
> consider the leadership issues
> to be pitty differences. Often when one
> candidate
> loses, they and their
> supporters go and form their on
> organization or
> chapter. This happened at my
> local NFB chapter and as a result we have
> two NFB
> chapters in a small town.
> Now some may consider this to be a good
> thing, but
> think about how much more
> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter
> in
> Fayetteville in recruiting,
> fund raising and my volunteers for
> events. In
> addition, these types of
> childish arguements causes many blind
> people who
> otherwise may be involved
> in a blind organization to be a "fense
> sitters".
> Now using this analogy to
> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds
> that NFB
> has, but they are not
> poor eather. Their attendence is not as
> large at
> the conventions, but it is
> not small eather. Think if both of these
> organizations were together how
> much more money we would have to do
> policy that
> each organization does or
> the advocacy work that each
> organization
> does, and think about how much
> larger the convention would be. We would
> pack two
> hotels full or near full.
> In addition, think about how much venders
> would be
> giving out in prizes
> because now insteading having to spend
> money to
> send their workers to two
> convention, they will only have to send
> their
> workers to one convention. In
> addition, most venders give out big
> prizes at each
> convention and if there
> was only one convention, they can give
> two
> prizes.
> However, you are right in that
> realistically the
> two organizations will not
> merge any time soon.
>
> best wishes,
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and
> they
> never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but it
> is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
> into History, Race for Independence,
> Wed. June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind
> Students
> mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51
> PM
> Anmol,
> I don't really see a
> merger
> happening any time soon,
> nor would I
> want it to. We've all beaten
> the
> democrat/republican
> analogy to
> death...but imagine Barack Obama and
> Mitt
> Romney in the
> same political
> party. It just wouldn't work.
> There are huge
> differences. It
> doesn't make the NFB better for
> everyone, but
> it makes the
> NFB better
> for me. I have lots of respect
> for my
> friends in the
> ACB who stand up
> and fight for their agenda.
> Lots of the
> times, it's
> the same as mine.
> When it's not, we can talk without
> being
> jackasses to each
> other and,
> in a lot of cases, the disagreement
> actually
> strengthens
> our
> friendship.
> I say diversity is
> good,
> competition is good, we
> need a free market
> of ideas. I respect ACB and the
> sincere
> people there
> trying to make
> the lives of blind people
> better. I
> happen to find
> the Federation
> philosophy and method more meaningful
> for
> me. I want
> to understand
> the split. From the little bit
> of
> studying I've done,
> I don't really
> think it was petty personal
> differences but
> rather
> differing
> philosophies about methodology and
> leadership
> that drove
> the two
> groups to separate. We can be
> different
> without being
> petty. We can
> disagree without being bigots.
> When our
> two
> organizations come down
> on opposite sides of important
> issues, as we
> often do, we
> need not be
> arrogant or self-rightious because we
> think
> we're
> right. The fact is,
> we disagree. And I think the
> disagreements are too
> central to our
> respective organizations for us to
> ever become
> one.
> But that doesn't
> mean we can't be friends, especially
> on a
> personal level.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Kirt,
> You are bringing up some vary
> good
> points...
> Understanding the history of
> the NFB and ACB is an import part
> in the
> history in
> the blind movement and
> an important part in the history
> of two
> organizations.
> Frankly in it is just
> my oppinion both organizations
> bring value
> and have
> and continue to make a
> difference for blind people
> across America
> on a daily
> bases. It is a shame
> that this split happened and just
> maybe
> the next
> generation of blind
> individuals our generation or
> those who
> are younger
> then can bring the two
> organizations together once
> again. Now
> this is just my
> translation and my
> oppinion, but it seems to
> me that
> the NFB ACB
> split happened over pitty
> differences and two individuals
> with
> different ideas
> fighting for power. It
> seems to me that the hate the
> two
> organizations have
> towards each other is
> not as strong amongest this
> generation.
> Infact many
> members of NABS of ACB
> and NABS of NFB are friends in
> life and
> attack on the
> other organization is
> usually not
> allow on each
> organization's mailing
> list.
> Dave, you are right that ACB does
> not have
> the same
> amount of people
> attending its' convention, but
> their
> attendence is not
> small eather. I would
> guess 1500 attend the ACB
> convention and
> all the major
> venders who attend
> the NFB convention attend the
> ACB
> convention. There
> are also quite a few
> young people who attend the ACB
> convention.
> Yes ACB does its' business
> different then
> NFB, but
> thats why they are a
> different organization. However,
> this does
> not make
> them any worse or better
> then the NFB.
> Just my thoughts and it would be
> great if
> we keep the
> attacks on each
> organization to as less as
> possible.
>
> Anmol
>
>
> I seldom think about my
> limitations, and
> they never
> make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning
> at
> times; but it is
> vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> into History, Race for
> Independence,
> Wed. June 22,
> 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of
> Blind
> Students
> mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011,
> 12:25
> PM
> Dave,
> How long ago
> was
> this? Things could've
> changed
> since you last went
> if it's been a while, maybe?
> And, with respect,
> this
> is a big deal to
> a lot of us. I know for
> me it's
> a lot more than
> a
> "small
> consideration", I like to
> know the
> past as much as
> I can
> because it
> shaped the here and
> now. I can
> read the books
> put out
> by each
> organization-they probably
> both have
> lots of the
> truth
> intermingled
> with their respective
> agendas.
> But nothing
> beats
> talking to people
> who have studied the issues
> or,
> preferably, people
> who were
> actually
> there.
> All the
> best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/21/11, David Andrews
> <dandrews at visi.com
> wrote:
> The two biggest things I
> noticed
> at an ACB
> national
> convention were
> that the crowd was
> considerably
> smaller than
> that at a
> NFB convention
> -- less exhibits etc.
> too.
> The second
> things was
> that there were few
> young persons -- some
> but
> noticeably not
> very
> many. One of the major
> things that the ACB has
> pushed in
> the past is
> that it
> is different
> from the NFB, it does
> things
> differently
> etc.
> This doesn't really
> matter to younger people
> though,
> so they have
> little
> reason to join, so
> don't.
>
> You guys can spend lots
> of time on
> the
> history, and
> differences if
> you want -- but what is
> the
> point. It
> happened,
> it is over with and
> done. Yes we can
> and should
> learn from our
> history, but it is just
> one small consideration.
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011,
> you wrote:
> Dave,
> I do see
> your
> point. Those
> alive at the time are not,
> and will
> probabluy never be
> friends. Heck,
> getting
> them to actually talk in
> peace would be the
> achievement
> of the
> century! if
> such a
> call were
> to hypothetically
> happen, how
> could we
> keep it from
> opening old wounds
> and stoking old
> fires?
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/20/11, Chris
> Nusbaum
> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Our joint
> conference call
> isn't
> associated
> whatsoever with the
> proposition of a
> change in
> the NFB
> bylaw. If I'm setting
> this
> up, which it
> appears I am,
> I didn't
> even have
> the intention of
> mentioning that
> proposition on the
> call. The call's
> purpose is
> to learn the
> history of
> the NFB/ACB,
> with a
> little emphasis on
> the "civil war"
> period,
> from both
> sides so we
> are informed. I
> also want this
> call to
> start a
> discussion on
> the history of our
> movement and what
> we can
> learn from
> it, not
> only as
> Federationists,
> but as
> blind
> students.
> Jorge and I have found
> some ways that we
> can hold
> the call
> without
> making it a NABS
> membership call,
> if it is
> entirely
> necessary. And as to
> your
> comments about
> them not
> being our
> friends,
> then using your
> argument, the
> Republicans
> should not
> hear the
> Democrats point of
> view in meetings
> of
> Congress, but
> the two
> parties should be
> separated from
> each other
> for fear
> of their
> own side being
> attacked.
> We can
> keep our same
> opinions, and probably many
> Federationists
> and Council
> members
> who attend
> this call will.
> This is just a
> way that we
> can be
> more
> informed when forming
> these opinions.
>
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> loss of
> vision!"
> (Camp Abilities motto)
> To learn more
> about Camp
> Abilities
> and find a
> local camp near
> you, just click
> on this
> link to
> their
> national Web site:
>
> www.campabilities.org.
>
> The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> visually
> impaired youth in
> Maryland have the
> ability
> to
> confidently say
> "I can!" How? Click
> on this link to
> learn more
> and to
> contribute:
>
> www.icanfoundation.info.
>
>
> Sent from
> my BrailleNote
>
>
> -----
> Original Message -----
> From: David
> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> To: National
> Association
> of Blind
> Students
> mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun,
> 19 Jun
> 2011 20:39:01
> -0500
> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride
> into
> History, Race
> for
> Independence, Wed.
> June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Chris:
>
> I don't want to
> friend
> anyone -- but
> I think
> this is a terrible
> idea!
> Remember the
> ACB split off
> from
> the NFB because they
> thought
> that we were all
> wrong,
> did our
> business in
> the wrong way etc. I
> am
> not going to say
> that we
> can't learn
> anything
> from the ACB, but
> not a
> history
> lesson. I
> was at a ACb
> National
> Convention a few years
> ago
> -- and heard the
> NFB
> attacked openly
> and
> indirectly. These
> folks
> are
> not our
> friends. We
> can work
> jointly at
> times, and should, and I
> don't think we
> should be
> against
> them, for
> the sake of it, as
> some of
> my old-timer
> friends are
> -- but a
> joint
> conference call on
> consideration of
> a change
> to a NFB
> division
> bylaw is going to
> far!
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:53 PM
> 6/19/2011, you
> wrote:
> Kirt,
>
> I have a friend
> in the
> Council that
> I will
> see Monday night, so I
> plan to give this
> idea to
> him and
> ask if he
> knows someone in the
> Council that
> would be
> knowledgeable
> enough
> and willing to attend
> this call on
> behalf of the
> Council
> as an
> expert on their history.
> Maybe it would be
> better
> if someone
> like me
> moderated. Keep in
> mind
> that I did
> volunteer, but
> I'm not
> degrading
> anyone else, I'm just
> using myself as
> an example
> here.
> I'm a
> member of the Federation,
> but I'm not a
> hard-line
> "NFB is
> good, ACB
> bad" person, so I
> wouldn't
> show any bias to
> NFB or
> ACB. I
> also am
> not currently a
> contributing
> (due-paying)
> member of
> NABS, so I'm
> not a
> leader in it of
> course.
> That way, we
> wouldn't have
> any
> bias.
> I think it would
> be easy
> to have it
> jointly
> attended even if it's
> an
> official NABS
> call.
> If we have a
> representative of ACB on the
> call,
> we could probably
> easily
> get other
> members of
> ACB on the call to
> kind of back up
> or add to
> that
> guest
> speaker's information.
> Thoughts?
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> loss of
> vision!"
> (Camp Abilities motto)
> To learn more
> about Camp
> Abilities
> and find a
> local camp near
> you,
> just click on
> this link to
> their
> national Web
> site:
>
> www.campabilities.org.
>
> The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> visually
> impaired youth in
> Maryland
> have the ability
> to
> confidently say
> "I can!"
> How? Click on this
> link
> to learn more and
> to
> contribute:
> www.icanfoundation.info.
>
> Sent from my
> BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original
> Message
> -----
> From: Kirt
> Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: National
> Association
> of Blind
> Students
> mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun,
> 19 Jun
> 2011 00:45:08
> -0600
> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride
> into
> History, Race
> for
> Independence, Wed.
> June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> Carley,
> The
> two
> organizations don't
> really claim to be "friends"
> as
> such-it
> seems like now
> they just
> mostly
> ignore each
> other, work jointly
> when
> their agendas
> converge and
> play
> politics when
> they don't. Maybe
> they
> aren't enemies,
> but the
> official
> organizations don't really
> advertise
> themselves as
> friends.
>
> While it
> would be great to
> have people from both
> organizations
> participate in a
> joint
> call, I don't
> see it
> happening. Here's
> hoping
> though, I
> guess It's
> certainly a
> nice
> thought-although, if the
> call
> were to have
> presentations
> from
> members of
> both organizations, it
> probably should
> be jointly
> moderated
> and
> attended. The NFB (or
> probably even
> NABS) would,
> I'm
> betting, not
> be inclined to go
> there.
> So maybe we'll
> have better
> luck
> going through
> unnoficial channels
> and
> setting this up
> on our
> own? No
> need to
> make it an official event
> for
> either the
> Federation or
> the
> Council-I think
> it's safe to say
> that
> idea was doomed
> to fail
> before it
> was brought
> up.
>
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 6/18/11, Chris
> Nusbaum
> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> wrote:
> And, as I said
> before, I
> would be
> very
> willing to moderate this
> call.
> Please keep me
> posted!
>
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight,
> never a
> loss of
> vision!"
> (Camp Abilities motto)
> To learn more
> about Camp
> Abilities
> and find a
> local camp near
> you, just click
> on this
> link to
> their
> national Web site:
>
> www.campabilities.org.
>
> The I C.A.N.
> Foundation helps
> visually
> impaired youth in
> Maryland have the
> ability
> to
> confidently say
> "I can!" How? Click
> on this link to
> learn more
> and to
> contribute:
>
> www.icanfoundation.info.
>
> Sent
> from my
> BrailleNote
>
>
> -----
> Original Message
> -----
> From: Ignasi
> Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
> To: National
> Association
> of Blind
> Students
> mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat,
> 18 Jun
> 2011 18:51:04
> -0400
> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list]
> Threw Our Eyes
> interview,Ride
> into
> History, Race
> for
> Independence, Wed.
> June
> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
> This call would
> be very
> interesting
> indeed. If
> representatives
> from both
> organizations
> are willing
> to
> participate, it can really
> be productive in
> many
> ways.
> On Jun 18, 2011,
> at 1:46
> PM, Carly
> Mihalakis
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Good
> morning,
> list,
>
> A
> few days
> ago, someone on
> the NABS list suggested
> a
> conference
> call bringing
> clarity to a
> younger
> generation. What,
> exactly, is
> the history of
> the
> ideological
> parting of
> ways, between the
> Federation and
> the
> Council? Does
> anybody know
> today, the history
> of this division
> or is it
> a product
> of sheer
> habit as is the case
> with Republicans
> and
> Democrats? If
> such a
> meeting of both
> entities were to
> take
> place, There
> ought to
> be representation of
> both
> organizations
> so that a
> wholistic
> portrait of this issue
> can be
> exercised.
>
> and
> its split
> from the
> ACB. This seems like a
> productive and
> enlightening
> discussion
> but I
> wonder, if the
> Federation and the
> council claim to
> be
> friends, should
> there not
> be representation
> from
> both sides, identifying
> their position and
> whereabouts
> they stand, in
> this? At
> ----
> Original
> Message
> ------
>
> From: "Joe
> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com
> (by way of David
> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>
> Subject:
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
> Our Eyes
> interview,
> Ride
> into History,Race
> for
> Independence,
> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm
> EDT
> Date
> sent:
> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
> 19:26:45 -0500
>
>
> Save
> The
> Date:
>
> On
> Wednesday,
> June 22,at
> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our
> Eyes host,
> Joe
>
> Ruffalo will
> interview
> Parnell Diggs, chair of the
> Imagination
> Fund,
> Race
> for
> Independence.
>
> The
> interview
> will highlight
> current and past grants
> awarded to
> state
>
> affiliates
> and chapters.
> In
> addition,
> featured will
> be Imaginators who will share
> the
> methods
> to
> make the
> ask to make a
> difference in changing what
> it means
> to be blind.
>
>
> Special
> highlight of the
> interview will be the
> announcement of
> the 30
>
> winners who
> will have the
> opportunity to be driven by a
> blind
> driver
>
> while
> attending
> the
> national
> convention in
> Orlando.
>
>
> Witness the
> opportunity to
> ride into history!
>
> To
> watch and
> listen to the
> interview, please visit the
> following:
>
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>
> For
> JAWS
> users and mobile
> phone users, please visit
> the
> following:
>
>
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>
>
> Other options
> to watch or
> listen can be found on the
> sites
> listed above.
>
> To
> call in
> with comments or
> questions, please dial the
> following:
> 1
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> Join
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