[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Carly Mihalakis
carlymih at earthlink.net
Thu Jun 23 02:41:24 UTC 2011
Hi, Ashley,
I agree with your not really comprehending the different minutias
associated with such divices, so, perhaps I spoke a little out of
turn? 06:56 PM 6/22/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote:
>Carley,
>I don't think we should use profanity here. I have heard good things
>about the I Bill; so as with any piece of technology, there are good
>and bad stories about it.
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis
>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:08 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
>interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
>
>
>
>Hi, Hamberto and all interested folks,
>
>Truth be known, my common law husband and I had the I bill, courtesy
>of rehab but, after repeated attempts to make the thing identify
>paper currency, we ascertained it a genuine piece of shit and is not
>worth anything, so I submit that the manufacturers must be well aware
>of their having themselves a niche market, in blind people and the
>deep pocketed agencies who tend to support them, so are totally
>exploiting it in the manner of any Capitalist aware of the exisstance
>of a small and needy marketplace.
>So, in essence, don't waste your's or rehab's time with the I bill!
>02:11 PM 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>>Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want to know what
>>it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it is? I know
>>is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what if that sighted
>>person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
>>I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the iBill identifier
>>if they were even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or the other,
>>but so far, I can not afford either one.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>Of Kirt Manwaring
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:01 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>>into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>>
>>Joshua,
>> Valid points. I've got a solution for you that doesn't cost a
>>thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you what your bills are
>>when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them in the
>>future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going to fit in to
>>the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
>> BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not ideal maybe but, hey,
>>maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get something with
>>that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40 cell. I used a
>>20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex for my first
>>year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
>> Best,
>>Kirt
>>
>>On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> > This is what Allan Ramos told me.
>> > He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
>> > He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the Blind,) (not to
>> > be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
>> > I'm going on what he said.
>> > Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew Jackson.
>> > Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his book, "Growth."
>> > I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative, but we don't have
>> > such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small town.
>> > It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB to push the
>> > companies that make accessible technologies, to make their technology
>> > affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
>> > That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge, (for example.)
>> > They will make this car, but they have to charge an obseen amount of
>> > money, for it.
>> > I'm not going to be able to afford it.
>> > I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille display, and my
>> > state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
>> > I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,) the IBill costs
>>$100.
>> > The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is as small as a
>> > giga-pet.
>> > I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
>> > Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
>> > Make it affordable!
>> > Blessings, Joshua
>> >
>> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Josh,
>> >> Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but not realistic. Can you
>> >> see
>> >> a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper currency has
>> been and >> will
>> >> always be a fabric of this country as it is in every country. Which
>> >> country
>> >> has only coins and know paper currency?
>> >> I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please correct me, but I do
>>not
>> >> think that ACB is advocating only braille notes. From my understanding
>> >> they
>> >> have been advocating a form of paper currency which is accessible and
>> >> afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most afordable means to
>> make >> paper
>> >> currency accessible.
>> >>
>> >> Anmol
>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me
>> sad. >> Perhaps
>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>breeze
>> >> among flowers.
>> >> Hellen Keller
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
>> >>> Ride
>> >>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
>> >>> Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
>> >>> accessible currency.
>> >>> What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
>> >>> That isn't going to work.
>> >>> I have the answer to the problem.
>> >>> First of all, it's political.
>> >>> I'm tired of people saying that the conservatives aren't on
>> >>> the side
>> >>> of the blind.
>> >>> When it comes to currency, they are.
>> >>> Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to the gold
>> >>> standard?
>> >>> Coins are the answer to the problem.
>> >>> We can identify the coins, by their texture.
>> >>> We can't do this with paper currency.
>> >>> That solves the problems with our currency.
>> >>> This would help everyone, including us.
>> >>> #1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
>> >>> #2. You can't counterfeit coins.
>> >>> #3, (Here's the thing that will help blind people,) We can
>> >>> identify
>> >>> coins by their texture.
>> >>> Would there have to be alot of changes made?
>> >>> Yes, but is it worth it?
>> >>> Yes!
>> >>> Blessings, Joshua
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > Jessica,
>> >>> > Good point. In addition, I would much rather a blind
>> >>> person to feel mobil
>> >>> > even if they don't have good mobility skills and
>> >>> frankly I would rather have
>> >>> > audible street lights then to see a blind person get
>> >>> killed because they
>> >>> > could not figure out how the traffic goes.
>> >>> > Anmol
>> >>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
>> >>> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>> >>> vague, like a breeze
>> >>> > among flowers.
>> >>> > Hellen Keller
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net>
>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> >>> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
>> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>> >>> mailing list"
>> >>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01 PM
>> >>> >> There are certain types of
>> >>> >> intersections where no matter how long you stand
>> >>> there and
>> >>> >> listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle
>> >>> so in
>> >>> >> those cases I actually support aps. Just keep that
>> >>> in mind
>> >>> >> when someone talks about every intersection being
>> >>> crossable
>> >>> >> by listening to traffic.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring
>><kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > Anmol,
>> >>> >> > It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll
>> >>> be
>> >>> >> possible, some day. Never say
>> >>> >> > never, ri9ght?
>> >>> >> > But here's the thing. The two
>> >>> >> organizations have evolved two
>> >>> >> > separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm
>> >>> doing
>> >>> >> something really bad
>> >>> >> > and generalizing. If anyone who knows
>> >>> more than
>> >>> >> I do wants to correct
>> >>> >> > me here, feel free.
>> >>> >> > The stance the ACB seems to take more
>> >>> often than
>> >>> >> not is to make the
>> >>> >> > environment more accessible for us.
>> >>> This is
>> >>> >> evidenced by their
>> >>> >> > support for audible street signals (which
>> >>> make a lot
>> >>> >> of sense to me,
>> >>> >> > I'm not really convinced one way or the other
>> >>> on that
>> >>> >> one yet),
>> >>> >> > tactile currency, descriptive movies, the
>> >>> provisions
>> >>> >> in the ADA to
>> >>> >> > make ATMs accessible, the 21st century
>> >>> communications
>> >>> >> act, their
>> >>> >> > support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal
>> >>> design in
>> >>> >> technology, etc.
>> >>> >> > They also use lots of their resources to
>> >>> fight
>> >>> >> descrimination, at
>> >>> >> > least it seems that way to me.
>> >>> >> > The NFB, on the other hand, seems to
>> >>> more often
>> >>> >> than not advocate us
>> >>> >> > adapting to the environment. This is
>> >>> evidenced
>> >>> >> by the strict
>> >>> >> > standards of training centers, pushing
>> >>> braille,
>> >>> >> opposition to the
>> >>> >> > tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on
>> >>> traffic
>> >>> >> rather than
>> >>> >> > audible signals (which makes a lot of sense
>> >>> to me),
>> >>> >> our philosophy
>> >>> >> > that with the right training and opportunity
>> >>> we can
>> >>> >> compete on an
>> >>> >> > equal footing, the idea of the blind driver
>> >>> challenge,
>> >>> >> etc. Of course
>> >>> >> > the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> environment (technology
>> >>> >> > bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and
>> >>> the ADA
>> >>> >> which we also
>> >>> >> > supported), and the ACB does advocate for
>> >>> quality
>> >>> >> independence
>> >>> >> > training/O&M. But, those are the
>> >>> rough
>> >>> >> philosophies of the two
>> >>> >> > organizations, if we're going by their
>> >>> records.
>> >>> >> Is the ACB wrong?
>> >>> >> > No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of
>> >>> a fit
>> >>> >> with my vision of
>> >>> >> > blindness. I just think thee two
>> >>> separate
>> >>> >> methodoligies willkeep us
>> >>> >> > from ever uniting as one group...and that's
>> >>> ok.
>> >>> >> We all have the
>> >>> >> > right, even the obligation to advocate for
>> >>> ourselves
>> >>> >> and those we
>> >>> >> > represent. The ACB does it their way,
>> >>> we do it
>> >>> >> ours. Sometimes there
>> >>> >> > is overlap, lots of times our philosophies
>> >>> take us in
>> >>> >> different
>> >>> >> > directions and put us on opposite sides of
>> >>> important
>> >>> >> issues. When our
>> >>> >> > aims are the same (or similar), we need to
>> >>> work
>> >>> >> together and present a
>> >>> >> > united front. When we are at odds
>> >>> (which we
>> >>> >> often are, the two
>> >>> >> > organizations really are very different), we
>> >>> both have
>> >>> >> the right to
>> >>> >> > push our separate agendas and attempt to get
>> >>> our
>> >>> >> policies implimented.
>> >>> >> > Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
>> >>> >> politics. We don't have
>> >>> >> > to be bitter about it and, on the personal
>> >>> level, we
>> >>> >> can still be good
>> >>> >> > friends even when our politics are at odds.
>> >>> >> > Just my thoughts,
>> >>> >> > Kirt
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> Kirt,
>> >>> >> >> You bring some vary valid points, and yes
>> >>> we have
>> >>> >> beaten the
>> >>> >> >> democrats/republicans analogy to
>> >>> death but
>> >>> >> it keeps coming up as a
>> >>> >> >> comparison, so I will just say one thing
>> >>> about
>> >>> >> this. I may have already said
>> >>> >> >> this before on the list, but please
>> >>> furgive me if
>> >>> >> I have. The blind
>> >>> >> >> community is a to small of a community to
>> >>> be
>> >>> >> divided on partizen lines like
>> >>> >> >> democrats and republicans, and our
>> >>> challenges are
>> >>> >> to great to be divided
>> >>> >> >> like democrats and republicans. Sure
>> >>> there will be
>> >>> >> differences between
>> >>> >> >> members of the ACB and members of the NFB
>> >>> on how
>> >>> >> business should be
>> >>> >> >> conducted, but honestly there differences
>> >>> between
>> >>> >> members of each
>> >>> >> >> organization on how their organization
>> >>> should do
>> >>> >> business.
>> >>> >> >> True there were disagreement on how
>> >>> business
>> >>> >> should and leadership issues
>> >>> >> >> causing the split between the NFB and
>> >>> ACB, I
>> >>> >> consider the leadership issues
>> >>> >> >> to be pitty differences. Often when one
>> >>> candidate
>> >>> >> loses, they and their
>> >>> >> >> supporters go and form their on
>> >>> organization or
>> >>> >> chapter. This happened at my
>> >>> >> >> local NFB chapter and as a result we have
>> >>> two NFB
>> >>> >> chapters in a small town.
>> >>> >> >> Now some may consider this to be a good
>> >>> thing, but
>> >>> >> think about how much more
>> >>> >> >> we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter
>> >>> in
>> >>> >> Fayetteville in recruiting,
>> >>> >> >> fund raising and my volunteers for
>> >>> events. In
>> >>> >> addition, these types of
>> >>> >> >> childish arguements causes many blind
>> >>> people who
>> >>> >> otherwise may be involved
>> >>> >> >> in a blind organization to be a "fense
>> >>> sitters".
>> >>> >> Now using this analogy to
>> >>> >> >> NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds
>> >>> that NFB
>> >>> >> has, but they are not
>> >>> >> >> poor eather. Their attendence is not as
>> >>> large at
>> >>> >> the conventions, but it is
>> >>> >> >> not small eather. Think if both of these
>> >>> >> organizations were together how
>> >>> >> >> much more money we would have to do
>> >>> policy that
>> >>> >> each organization does or
>> >>> >> >> the advocacy work that each
>> >>> organization
>> >>> >> does, and think about how much
>> >>> >> >> larger the convention would be. We would
>> >>> pack two
>> >>> >> hotels full or near full.
>> >>> >> >> In addition, think about how much venders
>> >>> would be
>> >>> >> giving out in prizes
>> >>> >> >> because now insteading having to spend
>> >>> money to
>> >>> >> send their workers to two
>> >>> >> >> convention, they will only have to send
>> >>> their
>> >>> >> workers to one convention. In
>> >>> >> >> addition, most venders give out big
>> >>> prizes at each
>> >>> >> convention and if there
>> >>> >> >> was only one convention, they can give
>> >>> two
>> >>> >> prizes.
>> >>> >> >> However, you are right in that
>> >>> realistically the
>> >>> >> two organizations will not
>> >>> >> >> merge any time soon.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> best wishes,
>> >>> >> >> Anmol
>> >>> >> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and
>> >>> they
>> >>> >> never make me sad. Perhaps
>> >>> >> >> there is just a touch of yearning at
>> >>> times; but it
>> >>> >> is vague, like a breeze
>> >>> >> >> among flowers.
>> >>> >> >> Hellen Keller
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring
>> >>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>> >>> >> Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> >>> >> >>> into History, Race for Independence,
>> >>> Wed. June
>> >>> >> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind
>> >>> Students
>> >>> >> mailing list"
>> >>> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >> >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51
>> >>> PM
>> >>> >> >>> Anmol,
>> >>> >> >>> I don't really see a
>> >>> merger
>> >>> >> happening any time soon,
>> >>> >> >>> nor would I
>> >>> >> >>> want it to. We've all beaten
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> democrat/republican
>> >>> >> >>> analogy to
>> >>> >> >>> death...but imagine Barack Obama and
>> >>> Mitt
>> >>> >> Romney in the
>> >>> >> >>> same political
>> >>> >> >>> party. It just wouldn't work.
>> >>> >> There are huge
>> >>> >> >>> differences. It
>> >>> >> >>> doesn't make the NFB better for
>> >>> everyone, but
>> >>> >> it makes the
>> >>> >> >>> NFB better
>> >>> >> >>> for me. I have lots of respect
>> >>> for my
>> >>> >> friends in the
>> >>> >> >>> ACB who stand up
>> >>> >> >>> and fight for their agenda.
>> >>> Lots of the
>> >>> >> times, it's
>> >>> >> >>> the same as mine.
>> >>> >> >>> When it's not, we can talk without
>> >>> being
>> >>> >> jackasses to each
>> >>> >> >>> other and,
>> >>> >> >>> in a lot of cases, the disagreement
>> >>> actually
>> >>> >> strengthens
>> >>> >> >>> our
>> >>> >> >>> friendship.
>> >>> >> >>> I say diversity is
>> >>> good,
>> >>> >> competition is good, we
>> >>> >> >>> need a free market
>> >>> >> >>> of ideas. I respect ACB and the
>> >>> sincere
>> >>> >> people there
>> >>> >> >>> trying to make
>> >>> >> >>> the lives of blind people
>> >>> better. I
>> >>> >> happen to find
>> >>> >> >>> the Federation
>> >>> >> >>> philosophy and method more meaningful
>> >>> for
>> >>> >> me. I want
>> >>> >> >>> to understand
>> >>> >> >>> the split. From the little bit
>> >>> of
>> >>> >> studying I've done,
>> >>> >> >>> I don't really
>> >>> >> >>> think it was petty personal
>> >>> differences but
>> >>> >> rather
>> >>> >> >>> differing
>> >>> >> >>> philosophies about methodology and
>> >>> leadership
>> >>> >> that drove
>> >>> >> >>> the two
>> >>> >> >>> groups to separate. We can be
>> >>> different
>> >>> >> without being
>> >>> >> >>> petty. We can
>> >>> >> >>> disagree without being bigots.
>> >>> When our
>> >>> >> two
>> >>> >> >>> organizations come down
>> >>> >> >>> on opposite sides of important
>> >>> issues, as we
>> >>> >> often do, we
>> >>> >> >>> need not be
>> >>> >> >>> arrogant or self-rightious because we
>> >>> think
>> >>> >> we're
>> >>> >> >>> right. The fact is,
>> >>> >> >>> we disagree. And I think the
>> >>> >> disagreements are too
>> >>> >> >>> central to our
>> >>> >> >>> respective organizations for us to
>> >>> ever become
>> >>> >> one.
>> >>> >> >>> But that doesn't
>> >>> >> >>> mean we can't be friends, especially
>> >>> on a
>> >>> >> personal level.
>> >>> >> >>> Best,
>> >>> >> >>> Kirt
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>> Kirt,
>> >>> >> >>>> You are bringing up some vary
>> >>> good
>> >>> >> points...
>> >>> >> >>> Understanding the history of
>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB and ACB is an import part
>> >>> in the
>> >>> >> history in
>> >>> >> >>> the blind movement and
>> >>> >> >>>> an important part in the history
>> >>> of two
>> >>> >> organizations.
>> >>> >> >>> Frankly in it is just
>> >>> >> >>>> my oppinion both organizations
>> >>> bring value
>> >>> >> and have
>> >>> >> >>> and continue to make a
>> >>> >> >>>> difference for blind people
>> >>> across America
>> >>> >> on a daily
>> >>> >> >>> bases. It is a shame
>> >>> >> >>>> that this split happened and just
>> >>> maybe
>> >>> >> the next
>> >>> >> >>> generation of blind
>> >>> >> >>>> individuals our generation or
>> >>> those who
>> >>> >> are younger
>> >>> >> >>> then can bring the two
>> >>> >> >>>> organizations together once
>> >>> again. Now
>> >>> >> this is just my
>> >>> >> >>> translation and my
>> >>> >> >>>> oppinion, but it seems to
>> >>> me that
>> >>> >> the NFB ACB
>> >>> >> >>> split happened over pitty
>> >>> >> >>>> differences and two individuals
>> >>> with
>> >>> >> different ideas
>> >>> >> >>> fighting for power. It
>> >>> >> >>>> seems to me that the hate the
>> >>> two
>> >>> >> organizations have
>> >>> >> >>> towards each other is
>> >>> >> >>>> not as strong amongest this
>> >>> generation.
>> >>> >> Infact many
>> >>> >> >>> members of NABS of ACB
>> >>> >> >>>> and NABS of NFB are friends in
>> >>> life and
>> >>> >> attack on the
>> >>> >> >>> other organization is
>> >>> >> >>>> usually not
>> >>> allow on each
>> >>> >> organization's mailing
>> >>> >> >>> list.
>> >>> >> >>>> Dave, you are right that ACB does
>> >>> not have
>> >>> >> the same
>> >>> >> >>> amount of people
>> >>> >> >>>> attending its' convention, but
>> >>> their
>> >>> >> attendence is not
>> >>> >> >>> small eather. I would
>> >>> >> >>>> guess 1500 attend the ACB
>> >>> convention and
>> >>> >> all the major
>> >>> >> >>> venders who attend
>> >>> >> >>>> the NFB convention attend the
>> >>> ACB
>> >>> >> convention. There
>> >>> >> >>> are also quite a few
>> >>> >> >>>> young people who attend the ACB
>> >>> >> convention.
>> >>> >> >>>> Yes ACB does its' business
>> >>> different then
>> >>> >> NFB, but
>> >>> >> >>> thats why they are a
>> >>> >> >>>> different organization. However,
>> >>> this does
>> >>> >> not make
>> >>> >> >>> them any worse or better
>> >>> >> >>>> then the NFB.
>> >>> >> >>>> Just my thoughts and it would be
>> >>> great if
>> >>> >> we keep the
>> >>> >> >>> attacks on each
>> >>> >> >>>> organization to as less as
>> >>> possible.
>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >>>> Anmol
>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >>>> I seldom think about my
>> >>> limitations, and
>> >>> >> they never
>> >>> >> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
>> >>> >> >>>> there is just a touch of yearning
>> >>> at
>> >>> >> times; but it is
>> >>> >> >>> vague, like a breeze
>> >>> >> >>>> among flowers.
>> >>> >> >>>> Hellen Keller
>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >>>> --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
>> >>> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >>> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>> >>> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>> >>> >> >>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> >>> >> >>>>> into History, Race for
>> >>> Independence,
>> >>> >> Wed. June 22,
>> >>> >> >>> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >> >>>>> To: "National Association of
>> >>> Blind
>> >>> >> Students
>> >>> >> >>> mailing list"
>> >>> >> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> >> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011,
>> >>> 12:25
>> >>> >> PM
>> >>> >> >>>>> Dave,
>> >>> >> >>>>> How long ago
>> >>> was
>> >>> >> this? Things could've
>> >>> >> >>> changed
>> >>> >> >>>>> since you last went
>> >>> >> >>>>> if it's been a while, maybe?
>> >>> >> And, with respect,
>> >>> >> >>> this
>> >>> >> >>>>> is a big deal to
>> >>> >> >>>>> a lot of us. I know for
>> >>> me it's
>> >>> >> a lot more than
>> >>> >> >>> a
>> >>> >> >>>>> "small
>> >>> >> >>>>> consideration", I like to
>> >>> know the
>> >>> >> past as much as
>> >>> >> >>> I can
>> >>> >> >>>>> because it
>> >>> >> >>>>> shaped the here and
>> >>> now. I can
>> >>> >> read the books
>> >>> >> >>> put out
>> >>> >> >>>>> by each
>> >>> >> >>>>> organization-they probably
>> >>> both have
>> >>> >> lots of the
>> >>> >> >>> truth
>> >>> >> >>>>> intermingled
>> >>> >> >>>>> with their respective
>> >>> agendas.
>> >>> >> But nothing
>> >>> >> >>> beats
>> >>> >> >>>>> talking to people
>> >>> >> >>>>> who have studied the issues
>> >>> or,
>> >>> >> preferably, people
>> >>> >> >>> who were
>> >>> >> >>>>> actually
>> >>> >> >>>>> there.
>> >>> >> >>>>> All the
>> >>> best,
>> >>> >> >>>>> Kirt
>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>> On 6/21/11, David Andrews
>> >>> <dandrews at visi.com>
>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>>>> The two biggest things I
>> >>> noticed
>> >>> >> at an ACB
>> >>> >> >>> national
>> >>> >> >>>>> convention were
>> >>> >> >>>>>> that the crowd was
>> >>> considerably
>> >>> >> smaller than
>> >>> >> >>> that at a
>> >>> >> >>>>> NFB convention
>> >>> >> >>>>>> -- less exhibits etc.
>> >>> too.
>> >>> >> The second
>> >>> >> >>> things was
>> >>> >> >>>>> that there were few
>> >>> >> >>>>>> young persons -- some
>> >>> but
>> >>> >> noticeably not
>> >>> >> >>> very
>> >>> >> >>>>> many. One of the major
>> >>> >> >>>>>> things that the ACB has
>> >>> pushed in
>> >>> >> the past is
>> >>> >> >>> that it
>> >>> >> >>>>> is different
>> >>> >> >>>>>> from the NFB, it does
>> >>> things
>> >>> >> differently
>> >>> >> >>> etc.
>> >>> >> >>>>> This doesn't really
>> >>> >> >>>>>> matter to younger people
>> >>> though,
>> >>> >> so they have
>> >>> >> >>> little
>> >>> >> >>>>> reason to join, so
>> >>> >> >>>>>> don't.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>> You guys can spend lots
>> >>> of time on
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> >>> history, and
>> >>> >> >>>>> differences if
>> >>> >> >>>>>> you want -- but what is
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> point. It
>> >>> >> >>> happened,
>> >>> >> >>>>> it is over with and
>> >>> >> >>>>>> done. Yes we can
>> >>> and should
>> >>> >> learn from our
>> >>> >> >>>>> history, but it is just
>> >>> >> >>>>>> one small consideration.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>> Dave
>> >>> >> >>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>> At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011,
>> >>> you wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Dave,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>> I do see
>> >>> your
>> >>> >> point. Those
>> >>> >> >>>>> alive at the time are not,
>> >>> and will
>> >>> >> >>>>>>> probabluy never be
>> >>> >> friends. Heck,
>> >>> >> >>> getting
>> >>> >> >>>>> them to actually talk in
>> >>> >> >>>>>>> peace would be the
>> >>> achievement
>> >>> >> of the
>> >>> >> >>>>> century! if
>> >>> such a
>> >>> >> call were
>> >>> >> >>>>>>> to hypothetically
>> >>> happen, how
>> >>> >> could we
>> >>> >> >>> keep it from
>> >>> >> >>>>> opening old wounds
>> >>> >> >>>>>>> and stoking old
>> >>> fires?
>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Best,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>> Kirt
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>> On 6/20/11, Chris
>> >>> Nusbaum
>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Dave,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Our joint
>> >>> conference call
>> >>> >> isn't
>> >>> >> >>> associated
>> >>> >> >>>>> whatsoever with the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> proposition of a
>> >>> change in
>> >>> >> the NFB
>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw. If I'm setting
>> >>> this
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> up, which it
>> >>> appears I am,
>> >>> >> I didn't
>> >>> >> >>> even have
>> >>> >> >>>>> the intention of
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> mentioning that
>> >>> >> proposition on the
>> >>> >> >>>>> call. The call's
>> >>> purpose is
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to learn the
>> >>> history of
>> >>> >> the NFB/ACB,
>> >>> >> >>> with a
>> >>> >> >>>>> little emphasis on
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the "civil war"
>> >>> period,
>> >>> >> from both
>> >>> >> >>> sides so we
>> >>> >> >>>>> are informed. I
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> also want this
>> >>> call to
>> >>> >> start a
>> >>> >> >>> discussion on
>> >>> >> >>>>> the history of our
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> movement and what
>> >>> we can
>> >>> >> learn from
>> >>> >> >>> it, not
>> >>> >> >>>>> only as
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Federationists,
>> >>> but as
>> >>> >> blind
>> >>> >> >>> students.
>> >>> >> >>>>> Jorge and I have found
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some ways that we
>> >>> can hold
>> >>> >> the call
>> >>> >> >>> without
>> >>> >> >>>>> making it a NABS
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> membership call,
>> >>> if it is
>> >>> >> entirely
>> >>> >> >>>>> necessary. And as to
>> >>> your
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> comments about
>> >>> them not
>> >>> >> being our
>> >>> >> >>> friends,
>> >>> >> >>>>> then using your
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> argument, the
>> >>> Republicans
>> >>> >> should not
>> >>> >> >>> hear the
>> >>> >> >>>>> Democrats point of
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> view in meetings
>> >>> of
>> >>> >> Congress, but
>> >>> >> >>> the two
>> >>> >> >>>>> parties should be
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> separated from
>> >>> each other
>> >>> >> for fear
>> >>> >> >>> of their
>> >>> >> >>>>> own side being
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> attacked.
>> >>> We can
>> >>> >> keep our same
>> >>> >> >>>>> opinions, and probably many
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Federationists
>> >>> and Council
>> >>> >> members
>> >>> >> >>> who attend
>> >>> >> >>>>> this call will.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This is just a
>> >>> way that we
>> >>> >> can be
>> >>> >> >>> more
>> >>> >> >>>>> informed when forming
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> these opinions.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Chris
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
>> >>> never a
>> >>> >> loss of
>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To learn more
>> >>> about Camp
>> >>> >> Abilities
>> >>> >> >>> and find a
>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you, just click
>> >>> on this
>> >>> >> link to
>> >>> >> >>> their
>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web site:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
>> >>> >> Foundation helps
>> >>> >> >>> visually
>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth in
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Maryland have the
>> >>> ability
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on this link to
>> >>> learn more
>> >>> >> and to
>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> Sent from
>> >>> >> my BrailleNote
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>>>>>> -----
>> >>> >> Original Message -----
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> From: David
>> >>> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To: National
>> >>> Association
>> >>> >> of Blind
>> >>> >> >>> Students
>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun,
>> >>> 19 Jun
>> >>> >> 2011 20:39:01
>> >>> >> >>> -0500
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>> >>> [nabs-l]
>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride
>> >>> into
>> >>> >> History, Race
>> >>> >> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence, Wed.
>> >>> June
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Chris:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I don't want to
>> >>> friend
>> >>> >> anyone -- but
>> >>> >> >>> I think
>> >>> >> >>>>> this is a terrible
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> idea!
>> >>> Remember the
>> >>> >> ACB split off
>> >>> >> >>> from
>> >>> >> >>>>> the NFB because they
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> thought
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that we were all
>> >>> wrong,
>> >>> >> did our
>> >>> >> >>> business in
>> >>> >> >>>>> the wrong way etc. I
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> am
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not going to say
>> >>> that we
>> >>> >> can't learn
>> >>> >> >>> anything
>> >>> >> >>>>> from the ACB, but
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not a
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> history
>> >>> lesson. I
>> >>> >> was at a ACb
>> >>> >> >>> National
>> >>> >> >>>>> Convention a few years
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> ago
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> -- and heard the
>> >>> NFB
>> >>> >> attacked openly
>> >>> >> >>> and
>> >>> >> >>>>> indirectly. These
>> >>> folks
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> are
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> not our
>> >>> friends. We
>> >>> >> can work
>> >>> >> >>> jointly at
>> >>> >> >>>>> times, and should, and I
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> don't think we
>> >>> should be
>> >>> >> against
>> >>> >> >>> them, for
>> >>> >> >>>>> the sake of it, as
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> some of
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> my old-timer
>> >>> friends are
>> >>> >> -- but a
>> >>> >> >>> joint
>> >>> >> >>>>> conference call on
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> consideration of
>> >>> a change
>> >>> >> to a NFB
>> >>> >> >>> division
>> >>> >> >>>>> bylaw is going to
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> far!
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Dave
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> At 12:53 PM
>> >>> 6/19/2011, you
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Kirt,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I have a friend
>> >>> in the
>> >>> >> Council that
>> >>> >> >>> I will
>> >>> >> >>>>> see Monday night, so I
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> plan to give this
>> >>> idea to
>> >>> >> him and
>> >>> >> >>> ask if he
>> >>> >> >>>>> knows someone in the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Council that
>> >>> would be
>> >>> >> knowledgeable
>> >>> >> >>> enough
>> >>> >> >>>>> and willing to attend
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> this call on
>> >>> behalf of the
>> >>> >> Council
>> >>> >> >>> as an
>> >>> >> >>>>> expert on their history.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Maybe it would be
>> >>> better
>> >>> >> if someone
>> >>> >> >>> like me
>> >>> >> >>>>> moderated. Keep in
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> mind
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that I did
>> >>> volunteer, but
>> >>> >> I'm not
>> >>> >> >>> degrading
>> >>> >> >>>>> anyone else, I'm just
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> using myself as
>> >>> an example
>> >>> >> here.
>> >>> >> >>> I'm a
>> >>> >> >>>>> member of the Federation,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> but I'm not a
>> >>> hard-line
>> >>> >> "NFB is
>> >>> >> >>> good, ACB
>> >>> >> >>>>> bad" person, so I
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> wouldn't
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> show any bias to
>> >>> NFB or
>> >>> >> ACB. I
>> >>> >> >>> also am
>> >>> >> >>>>> not currently a
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> contributing
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> (due-paying)
>> >>> member of
>> >>> >> NABS, so I'm
>> >>> >> >>> not a
>> >>> >> >>>>> leader in it of
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> course.
>> >>> That way, we
>> >>> >> wouldn't have
>> >>> >> >>> any
>> >>> >> >>>>> bias.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> I think it would
>> >>> be easy
>> >>> >> to have it
>> >>> >> >>> jointly
>> >>> >> >>>>> attended even if it's
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> an
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> official NABS
>> >>> call.
>> >>> >> If we have a
>> >>> >> >>>>> representative of ACB on the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> call,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> we could probably
>> >>> easily
>> >>> >> get other
>> >>> >> >>> members of
>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB on the call to
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> kind of back up
>> >>> or add to
>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >> >>> guest
>> >>> >> >>>>> speaker's information.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Chris
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
>> >>> never a
>> >>> >> loss of
>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To learn more
>> >>> about Camp
>> >>> >> Abilities
>> >>> >> >>> and find a
>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> just click on
>> >>> this link to
>> >>> >> their
>> >>> >> >>> national Web
>> >>> >> >>>>> site:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
>> >>> >> Foundation helps
>> >>> >> >>> visually
>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth in
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Maryland
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> have the ability
>> >>> to
>> >>> >> confidently say
>> >>> >> >>> "I can!"
>> >>> >> >>>>> How? Click on this
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> link
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to learn more and
>> >>> to
>> >>> >> contribute:
>> >>> >> >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent from my
>> >>> BrailleNote
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original
>> >>> Message
>> >>> >> -----
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> From: Kirt
>> >>> Manwaring
>> >>> >> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To: National
>> >>> Association
>> >>> >> of Blind
>> >>> >> >>> Students
>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun,
>> >>> 19 Jun
>> >>> >> 2011 00:45:08
>> >>> >> >>> -0600
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>> >>> [nabs-l]
>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride
>> >>> into
>> >>> >> History, Race
>> >>> >> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence, Wed.
>> >>> June
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Carley,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>> >>> two
>> >>> >> organizations don't
>> >>> >> >>>>> really claim to be "friends"
>> >>> as
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> such-it
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> seems like now
>> >>> they just
>> >>> >> mostly
>> >>> >> >>> ignore each
>> >>> >> >>>>> other, work jointly
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> when
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> their agendas
>> >>> converge and
>> >>> >> play
>> >>> >> >>> politics when
>> >>> >> >>>>> they don't. Maybe
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> they
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> aren't enemies,
>> >>> but the
>> >>> >> official
>> >>> >> >>>>> organizations don't really
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> advertise
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> themselves as
>> >>> friends.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> While it
>> >>> >> would be great to
>> >>> >> >>>>> have people from both
>> >>> organizations
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> participate in a
>> >>> joint
>> >>> >> call, I don't
>> >>> >> >>> see it
>> >>> >> >>>>> happening. Here's
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> hoping
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> though, I
>> >>> guess It's
>> >>> >> certainly a
>> >>> >> >>> nice
>> >>> >> >>>>> thought-although, if the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> call
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> were to have
>> >>> presentations
>> >>> >> from
>> >>> >> >>> members of
>> >>> >> >>>>> both organizations, it
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> probably should
>> >>> be jointly
>> >>> >> moderated
>> >>> >> >>> and
>> >>> >> >>>>> attended. The NFB (or
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> probably even
>> >>> NABS) would,
>> >>> >> I'm
>> >>> >> >>> betting, not
>> >>> >> >>>>> be inclined to go
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> there.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> So maybe we'll
>> >>> have better
>> >>> >> luck
>> >>> >> >>> going through
>> >>> >> >>>>> unnoficial channels
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> setting this up
>> >>> on our
>> >>> >> own? No
>> >>> >> >>> need to
>> >>> >> >>>>> make it an official event
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> either the
>> >>> Federation or
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> >>> Council-I think
>> >>> >> >>>>> it's safe to say
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> idea was doomed
>> >>> to fail
>> >>> >> before it
>> >>> >> >>> was brought
>> >>> >> >>>>> up.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Kirt
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/18/11, Chris
>> >>> Nusbaum
>> >>> >> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> And, as I said
>> >>> before, I
>> >>> >> would be
>> >>> >> >>> very
>> >>> >> >>>>> willing to moderate this
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> call.
>> >>> Please keep me
>> >>> >> posted!
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Chris
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> "A loss of sight,
>> >>> never a
>> >>> >> loss of
>> >>> >> >>> vision!"
>> >>> >> >>>>> (Camp Abilities motto)
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To learn more
>> >>> about Camp
>> >>> >> Abilities
>> >>> >> >>> and find a
>> >>> >> >>>>> local camp near
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> you, just click
>> >>> on this
>> >>> >> link to
>> >>> >> >>> their
>> >>> >> >>>>> national Web site:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> www.campabilities.org.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The I C.A.N.
>> >>> >> Foundation helps
>> >>> >> >>> visually
>> >>> >> >>>>> impaired youth in
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Maryland have the
>> >>> ability
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> >>> confidently say
>> >>> >> >>>>> "I can!" How? Click
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> on this link to
>> >>> learn more
>> >>> >> and to
>> >>> >> >>>>> contribute:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> www.icanfoundation.info.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent
>> >>> from my
>> >>> >> BrailleNote
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> -----
>> >>> >> Original Message
>> >>> >> >>>>> -----
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> From: Ignasi
>> >>> Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To: National
>> >>> Association
>> >>> >> of Blind
>> >>> >> >>> Students
>> >>> >> >>>>> mailing list
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date sent: Sat,
>> >>> 18 Jun
>> >>> >> 2011 18:51:04
>> >>> >> >>> -0400
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>> >>> [nabs-l]
>> >>> >> >>> [Nfbnet-members-list]
>> >>> >> >>>>> Threw Our Eyes
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> interview,Ride
>> >>> into
>> >>> >> History, Race
>> >>> >> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>>>> Independence, Wed.
>> >>> June
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> This call would
>> >>> be very
>> >>> >> interesting
>> >>> >> >>>>> indeed. If
>> >>> representatives
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> from both
>> >>> organizations
>> >>> >> are willing
>> >>> >> >>> to
>> >>> >> >>>>> participate, it can really
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> be productive in
>> >>> many
>> >>> >> ways.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2011,
>> >>> at 1:46
>> >>> >> PM, Carly
>> >>> >> >>> Mihalakis
>> >>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Good
>> >>> morning,
>> >>> >> list,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> A
>> >>> few days
>> >>> >> ago, someone on
>> >>> >> >>>>> the NABS list suggested
>> >>> a
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> conference
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> call bringing
>> >>> clarity to a
>> >>> >> younger
>> >>> >> >>>>> generation. What,
>> >>> exactly, is
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the history of
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> ideological
>> >>> >> >>> parting of
>> >>> >> >>>>> ways, between the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Federation and
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> Council? Does
>> >>> >> >>> anybody know
>> >>> >> >>>>> today, the history
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> of this division
>> >>> or is it
>> >>> >> a product
>> >>> >> >>> of sheer
>> >>> >> >>>>> habit as is the case
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> with Republicans
>> >>> and
>> >>> >> Democrats? If
>> >>> >> >>> such a
>> >>> >> >>>>> meeting of both
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> entities were to
>> >>> take
>> >>> >> place, There
>> >>> >> >>> ought to
>> >>> >> >>>>> be representation of
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> both
>> >>> organizations
>> >>> >> so that a
>> >>> >> >>> wholistic
>> >>> >> >>>>> portrait of this issue
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> can be
>> >>> exercised.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>> its split
>> >>> >> from the
>> >>> >> >>>>> ACB. This seems like a
>> >>> >> productive and
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> enlightening
>> >>> discussion
>> >>> >> but I
>> >>> >> >>> wonder, if the
>> >>> >> >>>>> Federation and the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> council claim to
>> >>> be
>> >>> >> friends, should
>> >>> >> >>> there not
>> >>> >> >>>>> be representation
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> from
>> >>> >> both sides, identifying
>> >>> >> >>>>> their position and
>> >>> whereabouts
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> they stand, in
>> >>> this? At
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> ----
>> >>> Original
>> >>> >> Message
>> >>> >> >>>>> ------
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> From: "Joe
>> >>> >> Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com>
>> >>> >> >>>>> (by way of David
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Subject:
>> >>> >> >>>>> [Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
>> >>> Our Eyes
>> >>> >> interview,
>> >>> >> >>> Ride
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> into History,Race
>> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>> Independence,
>> >>> >> >>>>> Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm
>> >>> EDT
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Date
>> >>> sent:
>> >>> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2011
>> >>> >> >>>>> 19:26:45 -0500
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Save
>> >>> The
>> >>> >> Date:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> On
>> >>> Wednesday,
>> >>> >> June 22,at
>> >>> >> >>>>> 8:00 pm eastern, Thru Our
>> >>> Eyes host,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Joe
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Ruffalo will
>> >>> >> interview
>> >>> >> >>>>> Parnell Diggs, chair of the
>> >>> >> Imagination
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Fund,
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> Race
>> >>> for
>> >>> >> Independence.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> The
>> >>> interview
>> >>> >> will highlight
>> >>> >> >>>>> current and past grants
>> >>> awarded to
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> state
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> affiliates
>> >>> >> and chapters.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> In
>> >>> addition,
>> >>> >> featured will
>> >>> >> >>>>> be Imaginators who will share
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> methods
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >>> make the
>> >>> >> ask to make a
>> >>> >> >>>>> difference in changing what
>> >>> it means
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> to be blind.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Special
>> >>> >> highlight of the
>> >>> >> >>>>> interview will be the
>> >>> announcement of
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the 30
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> winners who
>> >>> >> will have the
>> >>> >> >>>>> opportunity to be driven by a
>> >>> blind
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> driver
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> while
>> >>> >> attending
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>> national
>> >>> >> convention in
>> >>> >> >>>>> Orlando.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Witness the
>> >>> >> opportunity to
>> >>> >> >>>>> ride into history!
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>> >>> watch and
>> >>> >> listen to the
>> >>> >> >>>>> interview, please visit the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> following:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> <http://www.thruoureyes.org>www.thruoureyes.org
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> For
>> >>> JAWS
>> >>> >> users and mobile
>> >>> >> >>>>> phone users, please visit
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> following:
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> m.thruoureyes.org
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> Other options
>> >>> >> to watch or
>> >>> >> >>>>> listen can be found on the
>> >>> sites
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> listed above.
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> To
>> >>> call in
>> >>> >> with comments or
>> >>> >> >>>>> questions, please dial the
>> >>> >> >>>>>>>> following:
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