[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Chris Nusbaum
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Thu Jun 23 21:05:56 UTC 2011
You are correct!
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Sent from my BrailleNote
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:31:07 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Someone can help me here, but looktell's pretty much
instantaneous and
I think iNote's about 10 seconds or so.
On 6/22/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
What is the time difference for each ap?
sent from my Apex
Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:03:15 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
No. When looktell announces the bill, it's certain. Probably
even
more so than it would be with a picture.
On 6/22/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
But, wouldn't having a picture be better because it could be
certain of what the bill was?
sent from my Apex
Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:43:56 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Josh,
That's right-excpet the 4th generation Touch has a camera on
the
front and the back so it's more convenient to use the back, at
least
that's what I've found. Looktell will just read out the
denomination,
iNote has to take a picture and takes longer.
On 6/22/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
Explain how each works. This is why I say it could get
offtopic.
I know the 4th generation IPod touch has a front-facing
camera.
So, I assume one would simply place the bill under the camera
and
the app would tell you what denomination it was?
Best,
Josh
sent from my Apex
Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:26:52 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Na, if we're talking about solutions for accessible currencyk,
we're
still on topic. If you're using an iOS device, you can get
Inote
which is free or pay 2 dollars and get looktell money reader
which is
easier to use.
On 6/22/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
Can you explain offlist, please? I'm afraid we might be
getting
too offtopic if we keep it on.
Best,
Josh
sent from my Apex
Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:59:55 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed.
June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Yeah, but looktell is better.
On 6/22/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, so that's the one I heard about. The pay one, that is.
So
EyeNote's free. Thanks Jessica!
Best,
Josh
sent from my Apex
Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:36:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed.
June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Josh, eyeNote is free. The other I speak of is looktell
money
reader. It is 2 dollars.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Josh Gregory
<joshkart12 at gmail.com
wrote:
Hi, Jessica. There's another one? EyeNote is what I was
talking
about, but I didn't know there was another one. Do you by
any
chance know it's name?
Best,
Josh
PS: Eyenote's free? Thought you had to pay for it. Well,
we
learn something new every day. (smile)
sent from my Apex
Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jessica Silva <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed.
June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
actually there is the one he speaks of but also there is
the
one
made by the US treasury. it's called eyeNote and it's free.
On Wed Jun 22nd, 2011 3:39 PM MDT Josh Gregory wrote:
They've got an ap to help with identifying money for I O S
devices, that was mentioned on this list before I think. I
have
heard it's only 2 bucks but that it works well. It might be
in
the ap store, but not having a device to check on, I'm not
sure.
Best,
Josh
sent from my Apex
Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:11:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed.
June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Hello, but what happens if I have a bill in my hand and I
want
to know what
it is, but there is not a single sighted soul to tell me
what
it
is? I know
is a free alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what
if
that sighted
person lies about the amount of money that is on the bill?
I would probably support ideas like the KNFB reader and the
iBill identifier
if they were even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy
one
or
the other,
but so far, I can not afford either one.
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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Kirt Manwaring
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:01 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview, Ride
into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm
EDT
Joshua,
Valid points. I've got a solution for you that doesn't
cost
a
thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you what
your
bills are
when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them
in
the
future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going to
fit
in
to
the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not ideal maybe
but,
hey,
maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get
something
with
that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40 cell. I
used
a
20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex
for
my
first
year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
Best,
Kirt
On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
wrote:
This is what Allan Ramos told me.
He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the
Blind,)
(not to
be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
I'm going on what he said.
Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew Jackson.
Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his book,
"Growth."
I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative, but we
don't have
such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small town.
It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB to
push
the
companies that make accessible technologies, to make their
technology
affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge, (for
example.)
They will make this car, but they have to charge an obseen
amount of
money, for it.
I'm not going to be able to afford it.
I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille display,
and
my
state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,) the
IBill
costs
$100.
The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is as
small
as a
giga-pet.
I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
Make it affordable!
Blessings, Joshua
On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
Josh,
Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but not
realistic.
Can you
see
a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper currency has
been
and will
always be a fabric of this country as it is in every
country.
Which
country
has only coins and know paper currency?
I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please correct
me,
but I do
not
think that ACB is advocating only braille notes. From my
understanding
they
have been advocating a form of paper currency which is
accessible and
afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most afordable means
to
make paper
currency accessible.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me
sad.
Perhaps
there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
vague,
like a
breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester
<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
wrote:
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,
Ride
into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm
EDT
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
accessible currency.
What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
That isn't going to work.
I have the answer to the problem.
First of all, it's political.
I'm tired of people saying that the conservatives aren't on
the side
of the blind.
When it comes to currency, they are.
Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to the gold
standard?
Coins are the answer to the problem.
We can identify the coins, by their texture.
We can't do this with paper currency.
That solves the problems with our currency.
This would help everyone, including us.
#1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
#2. You can't counterfeit coins.
#3, (Here's the thing that will help blind people,) We can
identify
coins by their texture.
Would there have to be alot of changes made?
Yes, but is it worth it?
Yes!
Blessings, Joshua
On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
wrote:
Jessica,
Good point. In addition, I would much rather a blind
person to feel mobil
even if they don't have good mobility skills and
frankly I would rather have
audible street lights then to see a blind person get
killed because they
could not figure out how the traffic goes.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
make me sad. Perhaps
there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
vague, like a breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica
<jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
wrote:
From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
Our Eyes interview, Ride
into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
8:00 pm EDT
To: "National Association of Blind Students
mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01 PM
There are certain types of
intersections where no matter how long you stand
there and
listen to traffic you will never hear a good cycle
so in
those cases I actually support aps. Just keep that
in mind
when someone talks about every intersection being
crossable
by listening to traffic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt Manwaring
<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
wrote:
Anmol,
It's a nice thought. Maybe it'll
be
possible, some day. Never say
never, ri9ght?
But here's the thing. The two
organizations have evolved two
separate philosophies and mindsets. I'm
doing
something really bad
and generalizing. If anyone who knows
more than
I do wants to correct
me here, feel free.
The stance the ACB seems to take more
often than
not is to make the
environment more accessible for us.
This is
evidenced by their
support for audible street signals (which
make a lot
of sense to me,
I'm not really convinced one way or the other
on that
one yet),
tactile currency, descriptive movies, the
provisions
in the ADA to
make ATMs accessible, the 21st century
communications
act, their
support for Randolph-Shepherd, universal
design in
technology, etc.
They also use lots of their resources to
fight
descrimination, at
least it seems that way to me.
The NFB, on the other hand, seems to
more often
than not advocate us
adapting to the environment. This is
evidenced
by the strict
standards of training centers, pushing
braille,
opposition to the
tactile currency idea, advocacy of relying on
traffic
rather than
audible signals (which makes a lot of sense
to me),
our philosophy
that with the right training and opportunity
we can
compete on an
equal footing, the idea of the blind driver
challenge,
etc. Of course
the NFB sometimes pushes making changes in
the
environment (technology
bill of rights, Help America Vote Act, and
the ADA
which we also
supported), and the ACB does advocate for
quality
independence
training/O&M. But, those are the
rough
philosophies of the two
organizations, if we're going by their
records.
Is the ACB wrong?
No, I don't think so, but the NFB is more of
a fit
with my vision of
blindness. I just think thee two
separate
methodoligies willkeep us
from ever uniting as one group...and that's
ok.
We all have the
right, even the obligation to advocate for
ourselves
and those we
represent. The ACB does it their way,
we do it
ours. Sometimes there
is overlap, lots of times our philosophies
take us in
different
directions and put us on opposite sides of
important
issues. When our
aims are the same (or similar), we need to
work
together and present a
united front. When we are at odds
(which we
often are, the two
organizations really are very different), we
both have
the right to
push our separate agendas and attempt to get
our
policies implimented.
Sometimes they win, sometimes we win, that's
politics. We don't have
to be bitter about it and, on the personal
level, we
can still be good
friends even when our politics are at odds.
Just my thoughts,
Kirt
On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
wrote:
Kirt,
You bring some vary valid points, and yes
we have
beaten the
democrats/republicans analogy to
death but
it keeps coming up as a
comparison, so I will just say one thing
about
this. I may have already said
this before on the list, but please
furgive me if
I have. The blind
community is a to small of a community to
be
divided on partizen lines like
democrats and republicans, and our
challenges are
to great to be divided
like democrats and republicans. Sure
there will be
differences between
members of the ACB and members of the NFB
on how
business should be
conducted, but honestly there differences
between
members of each
organization on how their organization
should do
business.
True there were disagreement on how
business
should and leadership issues
causing the split between the NFB and
ACB, I
consider the leadership issues
to be pitty differences. Often when one
candidate
loses, they and their
supporters go and form their on
organization or
chapter. This happened at my
local NFB chapter and as a result we have
two NFB
chapters in a small town.
Now some may consider this to be a good
thing, but
think about how much more
we can achieve if we were one NFB chapter
in
Fayetteville in recruiting,
fund raising and my volunteers for
events. In
addition, these types of
childish arguements causes many blind
people who
otherwise may be involved
in a blind organization to be a "fense
sitters".
Now using this analogy to
NFB ACB, ACB does not have near the funds
that NFB
has, but they are not
poor eather. Their attendence is not as
large at
the conventions, but it is
not small eather. Think if both of these
organizations were together how
much more money we would have to do
policy that
each organization does or
the advocacy work that each
organization
does, and think about how much
larger the convention would be. We would
pack two
hotels full or near full.
In addition, think about how much venders
would be
giving out in prizes
because now insteading having to spend
money to
send their workers to two
convention, they will only have to send
their
workers to one convention. In
addition, most venders give out big
prizes at each
convention and if there
was only one convention, they can give
two
prizes.
However, you are right in that
realistically the
two organizations will not
merge any time soon.
best wishes,
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and
they
never make me sad. Perhaps
there is just a touch of yearning at
times; but it
is vague, like a breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt Manwaring
<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
wrote:
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
[Nfbnet-members-list]
Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
into History, Race for Independence,
Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
To: "National Association of Blind
Students
mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 2:51
PM
Anmol,
I don't really see a
merger
happening any time soon,
nor would I
want it to. We've all beaten
the
democrat/republican
analogy to
death...but imagine Barack Obama and
Mitt
Romney in the
same political
party. It just wouldn't work.
There are huge
differences. It
doesn't make the NFB better for
everyone, but
it makes the
NFB better
for me. I have lots of respect
for my
friends in the
ACB who stand up
and fight for their agenda.
Lots of the
times, it's
the same as mine.
When it's not, we can talk without
being
jackasses to each
other and,
in a lot of cases, the disagreement
actually
strengthens
our
friendship.
I say diversity is
good,
competition is good, we
need a free market
of ideas. I respect ACB and the
sincere
people there
trying to make
the lives of blind people
better. I
happen to find
the Federation
philosophy and method more meaningful
for
me. I want
to understand
the split. From the little bit
of
studying I've done,
I don't really
think it was petty personal
differences but
rather
differing
philosophies about methodology and
leadership
that drove
the two
groups to separate. We can be
different
without being
petty. We can
disagree without being bigots.
When our
two
organizations come down
on opposite sides of important
issues, as we
often do, we
need not be
arrogant or self-rightious because we
think
we're
right. The fact is,
we disagree. And I think the
disagreements are too
central to our
respective organizations for us to
ever become
one.
But that doesn't
mean we can't be friends, especially
on a
personal level.
Best,
Kirt
On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
wrote:
Kirt,
You are bringing up some vary
good
points...
Understanding the history of
the NFB and ACB is an import part
in the
history in
the blind movement and
an important part in the history
of two
organizations.
Frankly in it is just
my oppinion both organizations
bring value
and have
and continue to make a
difference for blind people
across America
on a daily
bases. It is a shame
that this split happened and just
maybe
the next
generation of blind
individuals our generation or
those who
are younger
then can bring the two
organizations together once
again. Now
this is just my
translation and my
oppinion, but it seems to
me that
the NFB ACB
split happened over pitty
differences and two individuals
with
different ideas
fighting for power. It
seems to me that the hate the
two
organizations have
towards each other is
not as strong amongest this
generation.
Infact many
members of NABS of ACB
and NABS of NFB are friends in
life and
attack on the
other organization is
usually not
allow on each
organization's mailing
list.
Dave, you are right that ACB does
not have
the same
amount of people
attending its' convention, but
their
attendence is not
small eather. I would
guess 1500 attend the ACB
convention and
all the major
venders who attend
the NFB convention attend the
ACB
convention. There
are also quite a few
young people who attend the ACB
convention.
Yes ACB does its' business
different then
NFB, but
thats why they are a
different organization. However,
this does
not make
them any worse or better
then the NFB.
Just my thoughts and it would be
great if
we keep the
attacks on each
organization to as less as
possible.
Anmol
I seldom think about my
limitations, and
they never
make me sad. Perhaps
there is just a touch of yearning
at
times; but it is
vague, like a breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
wrote:
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
[Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
Our Eyes interview, Ride
into History, Race for
Independence,
Wed. June 22,
8:00 pm EDT
To: "National Association of
Blind
Students
mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011,
12:25
PM
Dave,
How long ago
was
this? Things could've
changed
since you last went
if it's been a while, maybe?
And, with respect,
this
is a big deal to
a lot of us. I know for
me it's
a lot more than
a
"small
consideration", I like to
know the
past as much as
I can
because it
shaped the here and
now. I can
read the books
put out
by each
organization-they probably
both have
lots of the
truth
intermingled
with their respective
agendas.
But nothing
beats
talking to people
who have studied the issues
or,
preferably, people
who were
actually
there.
All the
best,
Kirt
On 6/21/11, David Andrews
<dandrews at visi.com
wrote:
The two biggest things I
noticed
at an ACB
national
convention were
that the crowd was
considerably
smaller than
that at a
NFB convention
-- less exhibits etc.
too.
The second
things was
that there were few
young persons -- some
but
noticeably not
very
many. One of the major
things that the ACB has
pushed in
the past is
that it
is different
from the NFB, it does
things
differently
etc.
This doesn't really
matter to younger people
though,
so they have
little
reason to join, so
don't.
You guys can spend lots
of time on
the
history, and
differences if
you want -- but what is
the
point. It
happened,
it is over with and
done. Yes we can
and should
learn from our
history, but it is just
one small consideration.
Dave
At 11:32 AM 6/20/2011,
you wrote:
Dave,
I do see
your
point. Those
alive at the time are not,
and will
probabluy never be
friends. Heck,
getting
them to actually talk in
peace would be the
achievement
of the
century! if
such a
call were
to hypothetically
happen, how
could we
keep it from
opening old wounds
and stoking old
fires?
Best,
Kirt
On 6/20/11, Chris
Nusbaum
<dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
wrote:
Dave,
Our joint
conference call
isn't
associated
whatsoever with the
proposition of a
change in
the NFB
bylaw. If I'm setting
this
up, which it
appears I am,
I didn't
even have
the intention of
mentioning that
proposition on the
call. The call's
purpose is
to learn the
history of
the NFB/ACB,
with a
little emphasis on
the "civil war"
period,
from both
sides so we
are informed. I
also want this
call to
start a
discussion on
the history of our
movement and what
we can
learn from
it, not
only as
Federationists,
but as
blind
students.
Jorge and I have found
some ways that we
can hold
the call
without
making it a NABS
membership call,
if it is
entirely
necessary. And as to
your
comments about
them not
being our
friends,
then using your
argument, the
Republicans
should not
hear the
Democrats point of
view in meetings
of
Congress, but
the two
parties should be
separated from
each other
for fear
of their
own side being
attacked.
We can
keep our same
opinions, and probably many
Federationists
and Council
members
who attend
this call will.
This is just a
way that we
can be
more
informed when forming
these opinions.
Chris
"A loss of sight,
never a
loss of
vision!"
(Camp Abilities motto)
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Abilities
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local camp near
you, just click
on this
link to
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From: David
Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
To: National
Association
of Blind
Students
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun,
19 Jun
2011 20:39:01
-0500
Subject: Re:
[nabs-l]
[Nfbnet-members-list]
Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride
into
History, Race
for
Independence, Wed.
June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Chris:
I don't want to
friend
anyone -- but
I think
this is a terrible
idea!
Remember the
ACB split off
from
the NFB because they
thought
that we were all
wrong,
did our
business in
the wrong way etc. I
am
not going to say
that we
can't learn
anything
from the ACB, but
not a
history
lesson. I
was at a ACb
National
Convention a few years
ago
-- and heard the
NFB
attacked openly
and
indirectly. These
folks
are
not our
friends. We
can work
jointly at
times, and should, and I
don't think we
should be
against
them, for
the sake of it, as
some of
my old-timer
friends are
-- but a
joint
conference call on
consideration of
a change
to a NFB
division
bylaw is going to
far!
Dave
At 12:53 PM
6/19/2011, you
wrote:
Kirt,
I have a friend
in the
Council that
I will
see Monday night, so I
plan to give this
idea to
him and
ask if he
knows someone in the
Council that
would be
knowledgeable
enough
and willing to attend
this call on
behalf of the
Council
as an
expert on their history.
Maybe it would be
better
if someone
like me
moderated. Keep in
mind
that I did
volunteer, but
I'm not
degrading
anyone else, I'm just
using myself as
an example
here.
I'm a
member of the Federation,
but I'm not a
hard-line
"NFB is
good, ACB
bad" person, so I
wouldn't
show any bias to
NFB or
ACB. I
also am
not currently a
contributing
(due-paying)
member of
NABS, so I'm
not a
leader in it of
course.
That way, we
wouldn't have
any
bias.
I think it would
be easy
to have it
jointly
attended even if it's
an
official NABS
call.
If we have a
representative of ACB on the
call,
we could probably
easily
get other
members of
ACB on the call to
kind of back up
or add to
that
guest
speaker's information.
Thoughts?
Chris
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From: Kirt
Manwaring
<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
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Date sent: Sun,
19 Jun
2011 00:45:08
-0600
Subject: Re:
[nabs-l]
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Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride
into
History, Race
for
Independence, Wed.
June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
Carley,
The
two
organizations don't
really claim to be "friends"
as
such-it
seems like now
they just
mostly
ignore each
other, work jointly
when
their agendas
converge and
play
politics when
they don't. Maybe
they
aren't enemies,
but the
official
organizations don't really
advertise
themselves as
friends.
While it
would be great to
have people from both
organizations
participate in a
joint
call, I don't
see it
happening. Here's
hoping
though, I
guess It's
certainly a
nice
thought-although, if the
call
were to have
presentations
from
members of
both organizations, it
probably should
be jointly
moderated
and
attended. The NFB (or
probably even
NABS) would,
I'm
betting, not
be inclined to go
there.
So maybe we'll
have better
luck
going through
unnoficial channels
and
setting this up
on our
own? No
need to
make it an official event
for
either the
Federation or
the
Council-I think
it's safe to say
that
idea was doomed
to fail
before it
was brought
up.
Best,
Kirt
On 6/18/11, Chris
Nusbaum
<dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
wrote:
And, as I said
before, I
would be
very
willing to moderate this
call.
Please keep me
posted!
Chris
"A loss of sight,
never a
loss of
vision!"
(Camp Abilities motto)
To learn more
about Camp
Abilities
and find a
local camp near
you, just click
on this
link to
their
national Web site:
www.campabilities.org.
The I C.A.N.
Foundation helps
visually
impaired youth in
Maryland have the
ability
to
confidently say
"I can!" How? Click
on this link to
learn more
and to
contribute:
www.icanfoundation.info.
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-----
From: Ignasi
Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
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Date sent: Sat,
18 Jun
2011 18:51:04
-0400
Subject: Re:
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Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride
into
History, Race
for
Independence, Wed.
June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
This call would
be very
interesting
indeed. If
representatives
from both
organizations
are willing
to
participate, it can really
be productive in
many
ways.
On Jun 18, 2011,
at 1:46
PM, Carly
Mihalakis
wrote:
Good
morning,
list,
A
few days
ago, someone on
the NABS list suggested
a
conference
call bringing
clarity to a
younger
generation. What,
exactly, is
the history of
the
ideological
parting of
ways, between the
Federation and
the
Council? Does
anybody know
today, the history
of this division
or is it
a product
of sheer
habit as is the case
with Republicans
and
Democrats? If
such a
meeting of both
entities were to
take
place, There
ought to
be representation of
both
organizations
so that a
wholistic
portrait of this issue
can be
exercised.
and
its split
from the
ACB. This seems like a
productive and
enlightening
discussion
but I
wonder, if the
Federation and the
council claim to
be
friends, should
there not
be representation
from
both sides, identifying
their position and
whereabouts
they stand, in
this? At
----
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Subject:
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Our Eyes
interview,
Ride
into History,Race
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EDT
Date
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19:26:45 -0500
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Special
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