[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Chris Nusbaum
dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Thu Jun 23 23:24:58 UTC 2011
I think it's important to mention this observation before we go
on. This was an ACB proposal, not an NFB one, and look how many
of you are for it! Many of these people are the same people who
(in earlier threads) almost attacked ACB and said the NFB is so
much better. Reminder: NFB leadership was totally against this
two years ago, probably because ACB proposed it.
Chris
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From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
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That's the problem!
They should have thought about it.
Now, it's left up to us.
Blessings, Joshua
On 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
Joshua,
Different textures, different sizes, I honestly don't know
either.
That's why this is such a problem. If we were a smaller
country, or
if we'd thought about this 25 years ago, I bet it would be a lot
easier..
On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
wrote:
What else can we do, to make it identifiable?
We've discussed this to death, on the other list.
Making the paper currency have different textures may be okay.
The Braille, though isn't the answer.
I don't know what else to do.
Blessings, Joshua
On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
Kirt,
You and Josh have valid points, but I have even a better
solution! Lets
make
the currency identifable so that a blind person would not have
to find a
friend or rely on technology to identify their money. Don't we
stress
independence? Well having to ask someone how much money you have
or
dependenting on technology to identify your money is not
independence.
The
folding method is fine if you know how much money you have.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
Perhaps
there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
like a
breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
wrote:
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
interview,
Ride
into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 4:00 PM
Joshua,
Valid points. I've got a solution for you that
doesn't cost a
thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you
what your bills are
when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them
in the
future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going
to fit in to
the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not
ideal maybe but, hey,
maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get
something with
that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40
cell. I used a
20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex
for my first
year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
Best,
Kirt
On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
wrote:
This is what Allan Ramos told me.
He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the
Blind,) (not to
be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
I'm going on what he said.
Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew
Jackson.
Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his
book, "Growth."
I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative,
but we don't have
such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small
town.
It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB
to push the
companies that make accessible technologies, to make
their technology
affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge,
(for example.)
They will make this car, but they have to charge an
obseen amount of
money, for it.
I'm not going to be able to afford it.
I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille
display, and my
state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,)
the IBill costs $100.
The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is
as small as a
giga-pet.
I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
Make it affordable!
Blessings, Joshua
On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
wrote:
Josh,
Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but
not realistic. Can you
see
a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper
currency has been and will
always be a fabric of this country as it is in
every country. Which
country
has only coins and know paper currency?
I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please
correct me, but I do not
think that ACB is advocating only braille notes.
From my understanding
they
have been advocating a form of paper currency
which is accessible and
afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most
afordable means to make paper
currency accessible.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they
never make me sad. Perhaps
there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
is vague, like a breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester
<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
wrote:
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
Threw Our Eyes interview,
Ride
into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
To: "National Association of Blind Students
mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
accessible currency.
What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
That isn't going to work.
I have the answer to the problem.
First of all, it's political.
I'm tired of people saying that the
conservatives aren't on
the side
of the blind.
When it comes to currency, they are.
Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to
the gold
standard?
Coins are the answer to the problem.
We can identify the coins, by their texture.
We can't do this with paper currency.
That solves the problems with our currency.
This would help everyone, including us.
#1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
#2. You can't counterfeit coins.
#3, (Here's the thing that will help blind
people,) We can
identify
coins by their texture.
Would there have to be alot of changes made?
Yes, but is it worth it?
Yes!
Blessings, Joshua
On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
wrote:
Jessica,
Good point. In addition, I would much
rather a blind
person to feel mobil
even if they don't have good mobility
skills and
frankly I would rather have
audible street lights then to see a blind
person get
killed because they
could not figure out how the traffic
goes.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and
they never
make me sad. Perhaps
there is just a touch of yearning at
times; but it is
vague, like a breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller
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wrote:
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
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Our Eyes interview, Ride
into History, Race for Independence,
Wed. June 22,
8:00 pm EDT
To: "National Association of Blind
Students
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Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01
PM
There are certain types of
intersections where no matter how
long you stand
there and
listen to traffic you will never hear
a good cycle
so in
those cases I actually support aps.
Just keep that
in mind
when someone talks about every
intersection being
crossable
by listening to traffic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt
Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
wrote:
Anmol,
It's a nice thought.
Maybe it'll
be
possible, some day. Never say
never, ri9ght?
But here's the
thing. The two
organizations have evolved two
separate philosophies and
mindsets. I'm
doing
something really bad
and generalizing. If
anyone who knows
more than
I do wants to correct
me here, feel free.
The stance the ACB seems
to take more
often than
not is to make the
environment more accessible for
us.
This is
evidenced by their
support for audible street
signals (which
make a lot
of sense to me,
I'm not really convinced one way
or the other
on that
one yet),
tactile currency, descriptive
movies, the
provisions
in the ADA to
make ATMs accessible, the 21st
century
communications
act, their
support for Randolph-Shepherd,
universal
design in
technology, etc.
They also use lots of their
resources to
fight
descrimination, at
least it seems that way to me.
The NFB, on the other
hand, seems to
more often
than not advocate us
adapting to the
environment. This is
evidenced
by the strict
standards of training centers,
pushing
braille,
opposition to the
tactile currency idea, advocacy
of relying on
traffic
rather than
audible signals (which makes a
lot of sense
to me),
our philosophy
that with the right training and
opportunity
we can
compete on an
equal footing, the idea of the
blind driver
challenge,
etc. Of course
the NFB sometimes pushes making
changes in
the
environment (technology
bill of rights, Help America
Vote Act, and
the ADA
which we also
supported), and the ACB does
advocate for
quality
independence
training/O&M. But,
those are the
rough
philosophies of the two
organizations, if we're going by
their
records.
Is the ACB wrong?
No, I don't think so, but the
NFB is more of
a fit
with my vision of
blindness. I just think
thee two
separate
methodoligies willkeep us
from ever uniting as one
group...and that's
ok.
We all have the
right, even the obligation to
advocate for
ourselves
and those we
represent. The ACB does it
their way,
we do it
ours. Sometimes there
is overlap, lots of times our
philosophies
take us in
different
directions and put us on
opposite sides of
important
issues. When our
aims are the same (or similar),
we need to
work
together and present a
united front. When we are
at odds
(which we
often are, the two
organizations really are very
different), we
both have
the right to
push our separate agendas and
attempt to get
our
policies implimented.
Sometimes they win, sometimes we
win, that's
politics. We don't have
to be bitter about it and, on
the personal
level, we
can still be good
friends even when our politics
are at odds.
Just my thoughts,
Kirt
On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
wrote:
Kirt,
You bring some vary valid
points, and yes
we have
beaten the
democrats/republicans
analogy to
death but
it keeps coming up as a
comparison, so I will just
say one thing
about
this. I may have already said
this before on the list, but
please
furgive me if
I have. The blind
community is a to small of a
community to
be
divided on partizen lines like
democrats and republicans,
and our
challenges are
to great to be divided
like democrats and
republicans. Sure
there will be
differences between
members of the ACB and
members of the NFB
on how
business should be
conducted, but honestly
there differences
between
members of each
organization on how their
organization
should do
business.
True there were disagreement
on how
business
should and leadership issues
causing the split between
the NFB and
ACB, I
consider the leadership issues
to be pitty differences.
Often when one
candidate
loses, they and their
supporters go and form their
on
organization or
chapter. This happened at my
local NFB chapter and as a
result we have
two NFB
chapters in a small town.
Now some may consider this
to be a good
thing, but
think about how much more
we can achieve if we were
one NFB chapter
in
Fayetteville in recruiting,
fund raising and my
volunteers for
events. In
addition, these types of
childish arguements causes
many blind
people who
otherwise may be involved
in a blind organization to
be a "fense
sitters".
Now using this analogy to
NFB ACB, ACB does not have
near the funds
that NFB
has, but they are not
poor eather. Their
attendence is not as
large at
the conventions, but it is
not small eather. Think if
both of these
organizations were together how
much more money we would
have to do
policy that
each organization does or
the advocacy work that each
organization
does, and think about how much
larger the convention would
be. We would
pack two
hotels full or near full.
In addition, think about how
much venders
would be
giving out in prizes
because now insteading
having to spend
money to
send their workers to two
convention, they will only
have to send
their
workers to one convention. In
addition, most venders give
out big
prizes at each
convention and if there
was only one convention,
they can give
two
prizes.
However, you are right in
that
realistically the
two organizations will not
merge any time soon.
best wishes,
Anmol
I seldom think about my
limitations, and
they
never make me sad. Perhaps
there is just a touch of
yearning at
times; but it
is vague, like a breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
Manwaring
<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
wrote:
From: Kirt Manwaring
<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
[Nfbnet-members-list]
Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
into History, Race for
Independence,
Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm EDT
To: "National
Association of Blind
Students
mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Tuesday, June 21,
2011, 2:51
PM
Anmol,
I don't
really see a
merger
happening any time soon,
nor would I
want it to. We've
all beaten
the
democrat/republican
analogy to
death...but imagine
Barack Obama and
Mitt
Romney in the
same political
party. It just
wouldn't work.
There are huge
differences. It
doesn't make the NFB
better for
everyone, but
it makes the
NFB better
for me. I have
lots of respect
for my
friends in the
ACB who stand up
and fight for their
agenda.
Lots of the
times, it's
the same as mine.
When it's not, we can
talk without
being
jackasses to each
other and,
in a lot of cases, the
disagreement
actually
strengthens
our
friendship.
I say
diversity is
good,
competition is good, we
need a free market
of ideas. I
respect ACB and the
sincere
people there
trying to make
the lives of blind
people
better. I
happen to find
the Federation
philosophy and method
more meaningful
for
me. I want
to understand
the split. From
the little bit
of
studying I've done,
I don't really
think it was petty
personal
differences but
rather
differing
philosophies about
methodology and
leadership
that drove
the two
groups to
separate. We can be
different
without being
petty. We can
disagree without being
bigots.
When our
two
organizations come down
on opposite sides of
important
issues, as we
often do, we
need not be
arrogant or
self-rightious because we
think
we're
right. The fact
is,
we disagree. And I
think the
disagreements are too
central to our
respective organizations
for us to
ever become
one.
But that doesn't
mean we can't be
friends, especially
on a
personal level.
Best,
Kirt
On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia
<anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
wrote:
Kirt,
You are bringing up
some vary
good
points...
Understanding the
history of
the NFB and ACB is
an import part
in the
history in
the blind movement and
an important part in
the history
of two
organizations.
Frankly in it is just
my oppinion both
organizations
bring value
and have
and continue to make a
difference for blind
people
across America
on a daily
bases. It is a shame
that this split
happened and just
maybe
the next
generation of blind
individuals our
generation or
those who
are younger
then can bring the two
organizations
together once
again. Now
this is just my
translation and my
oppinion, but
it seems to
me that
the NFB ACB
split happened over
pitty
differences and two
individuals
with
different ideas
fighting for power. It
seems to me that the
hate the
two
organizations have
towards each other is
not as strong
amongest this
generation.
Infact many
members of NABS of ACB
and NABS of NFB are
friends in
life and
attack on the
other organization is
usually not
allow on each
organization's mailing
list.
Dave, you are right
that ACB does
not have
the same
amount of people
attending its'
convention, but
their
attendence is not
small eather. I would
guess 1500 attend
the ACB
convention and
all the major
venders who attend
the NFB convention
attend the
ACB
convention. There
are also quite a few
young people who
attend the ACB
convention.
Yes ACB does its'
business
different then
NFB, but
thats why they are a
different
organization. However,
this does
not make
them any worse or
better
then the NFB.
Just my thoughts and
it would be
great if
we keep the
attacks on each
organization to as
less as
possible.
Anmol
I seldom think about
my
limitations, and
they never
make me sad. Perhaps
there is just a
touch of yearning
at
times; but it is
vague, like a breeze
among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Tue, 6/21/11,
Kirt
Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
wrote:
From: Kirt
Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Subject: Re:
[nabs-l]
[Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
Our Eyes interview,
Ride
into History,
Race for
Independence,
Wed. June 22,
8:00 pm EDT
To: "National
Association of
Blind
Students
mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Tuesday,
June 21, 2011,
12:25
PM
Dave,
How long ago
was
this? Things could've
changed
since you last
went
if it's been a
while, maybe?
And, with respect,
this
is a big deal
to
a lot of
us. I know for
me it's
a lot more than
a
"small
consideration",
I like to
know the
past as much as
I can
because it
shaped the here
and
now. I can
read the books
put out
by each
organization-they probably
both have
lots of the
truth
intermingled
with their
respective
agendas.
But nothing
beats
talking to
people
who have studied
the issues
or,
preferably, people
who were
actually
there.
All the
best,
Kirt
On 6/21/11,
David Andrews
<dandrews at visi.com
wrote:
The two
biggest things I
noticed
at an ACB
national
convention were
that the
crowd was
considerably
smaller than
that at a
NFB convention
-- less
exhibits etc.
too.
The second
things was
that there were
few
young
persons -- some
but
noticeably not
very
many. One
of the major
things that
the ACB has
pushed in
the past is
that it
is different
from the
NFB, it does
things
differently
etc.
This doesn't
really
matter to
younger people
though,
so they have
little
reason to join,
so
don't.
You guys can
spend lots
of time on
the
history, and
differences if
you want --
but what is
the
point. It
happened,
it is over with
and
done.
Yes we can
and should
learn from our
history, but it
is just
one small
consideration.
Dave
At 11:32 AM
6/20/2011,
you wrote:
Dave,
I do see
your
point. Those
alive at the
time are not,
and will
probabluy never be
friends. Heck,
getting
them to actually
talk in
peace
would be the
achievement
of the
century! if
such a
call were
to
hypothetically
happen, how
could we
keep it from
opening old
wounds
and
stoking old
fires?
Best,
Kirt
On
6/20/11, Chris
Nusbaum
<dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
wrote:
Dave,
Our
joint
conference call
isn't
associated
whatsoever with
the
proposition of a
change in
the NFB
bylaw. If
I'm setting
this
up,
which it
appears I am,
I didn't
even have
the intention
of
mentioning that
proposition on the
call. The
call's
purpose is
to
learn the
history of
the NFB/ACB,
with a
little emphasis
on
the
"civil war"
period,
from both
sides so we
are
informed. I
also
want this
call to
start a
discussion on
the history of
our
movement and what
we can
learn from
it, not
only as
Federationists,
but as
blind
students.
Jorge and I have
found
some
ways that we
can hold
the call
without
making it a
NABS
membership call,
if it is
entirely
necessary.
And as to
your
comments about
them not
being our
friends,
then using your
argument, the
Republicans
should not
hear the
Democrats point
of
view
in meetings
of
Congress, but
the two
parties should
be
separated from
each other
for fear
of their
own side being
attacked.
We can
keep our same
opinions, and
probably many
Federationists
and Council
members
who attend
this call will.
This
is just a
way that we
can be
more
informed when
forming
these opinions.
Chris
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From: David
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interview,Ride
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History, Race
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22,
8:00 pm EDT
Chris:
I
don't want to
friend
anyone -- but
I think
this is a
terrible
idea!
Remember the
ACB split off
from
the NFB because
they
thought
that
we were all
wrong,
did our
business in
the wrong way
etc. I
am
not
going to say
that we
can't learn
anything
from the ACB,
but
not
a
history
lesson. I
was at a ACb
National
Convention a few
years
ago
--
and heard the
NFB
attacked openly
and
indirectly. These
folks
are
not
our
friends. We
can work
jointly at
times, and
should, and I
don't think we
should be
against
them, for
the sake of it,
as
some
of
my
old-timer
friends are
-- but a
joint
conference call
on
consideration of
a change
to a NFB
division
bylaw is going
to
far!
Dave
At
12:53 PM
6/19/2011, you
wrote:
Kirt,
I
have a friend
in the
Council that
I will
see Monday
night, so I
plan
to give this
idea to
him and
ask if he
knows someone in
the
Council that
would be
knowledgeable
enough
and willing to
attend
this
call on
behalf of the
Council
as an
expert on their
history.
Maybe it would be
better
if someone
like me
moderated.
Keep in
mind
that
I did
volunteer, but
I'm not
degrading
anyone else, I'm
just
using myself as
an example
here.
I'm a
member of the
Federation,
but
I'm not a
hard-line
"NFB is
good, ACB
bad" person, so
I
wouldn't
show
any bias to
NFB or
ACB. I
also am
not currently a
contributing
(due-paying)
member of
NABS, so I'm
not a
leader in it of
course.
That way, we
wouldn't have
any
bias.
I
think it would
be easy
to have it
jointly
attended even if
it's
an
official NABS
call.
If we have a
representative
of ACB on the
call,
we
could probably
easily
get other
members of
ACB on the call
to
kind
of back up
or add to
that
guest
speaker's
information.
Thoughts?
Chris
"A
loss of sight,
never a
loss of
vision!"
(Camp Abilities
motto)
To
learn more
about Camp
Abilities
and find a
local camp near
you,
just
click on
this link to
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site:
www.campabilities.org.
The
I C.A.N.
Foundation helps
visually
impaired youth
in
Maryland
have
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to
confidently say
"I can!"
How? Click on
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----- Original
Message
-----
From: Kirt
Manwaring
<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To:
National
Association
of Blind
Students
mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date
sent: Sun,
19 Jun
2011 00:45:08
-0600
Subject: Re:
[nabs-l]
[Nfbnet-members-list]
Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride
into
History, Race
for
Independence,
Wed.
June
22,
8:00 pm EDT
Carley,
The
two
organizations don't
really claim to
be "friends"
as
such-it
seems like now
they just
mostly
ignore each
other, work
jointly
when
their agendas
converge and
play
politics when
they
don't. Maybe
they
aren't enemies,
but the
official
organizations
don't really
advertise
themselves as
friends.
While it
would be great to
have people from
both
organizations
participate in a
joint
call, I don't
see it
happening.
Here's
hoping
though, I
guess It's
certainly a
nice
thought-although, if the
call
were
to have
presentations
from
members of
both
organizations, it
probably should
be jointly
moderated
and
attended.
The NFB (or
probably even
NABS) would,
I'm
betting, not
be inclined to
go
there.
So
maybe we'll
have better
luck
going through
unnoficial
channels
and
setting this up
on our
own? No
need to
make it an
official event
for
either the
Federation or
the
Council-I think
it's safe to
say
that
idea
was doomed
to fail
before it
was brought
up.
Best,
Kirt
On
6/18/11, Chris
Nusbaum
<dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
wrote:
And,
as I said
before, I
would be
very
willing to
moderate this
call.
Please keep me
posted!
Chris
"A
loss of sight,
never a
loss of
vision!"
(Camp Abilities
motto)
To
learn more
about Camp
Abilities
and find a
local camp near
you,
just click
on this
link to
their
national Web
site:
www.campabilities.org.
The
I C.A.N.
Foundation helps
visually
impaired youth
in
Maryland have the
ability
to
confidently say
"I can!" How?
Click
on
this link to
learn more
and to
contribute:
www.icanfoundation.info.
Sent
from my
BrailleNote
-----
Original Message
-----
From: Ignasi
Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
To:
National
Association
of Blind
Students
mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date
sent: Sat,
18 Jun
2011 18:51:04
-0400
Subject: Re:
[nabs-l]
[Nfbnet-members-list]
Threw Our Eyes
interview,Ride
into
History, Race
for
Independence,
Wed.
June
22,
8:00 pm EDT
This
call would
be very
interesting
indeed.
If
representatives
from
both
organizations
are willing
to
participate, it
can really
be
productive in
many
ways.
On
Jun 18, 2011,
at 1:46
PM, Carly
Mihalakis
wrote:
Good
morning,
list,
A
few days
ago, someone on
the NABS
list suggested
a
conference
call
bringing
clarity to a
younger
generation. What,
exactly, is
the
history of
the
ideological
parting of
ways, between
the
Federation and
the
Council? Does
anybody know
today, the
history
of
this division
or is it
a product
of sheer
habit as is the
case
with
Republicans
and
Democrats? If
such a
meeting of both
entities were to
take
place, There
ought to
be
representation of
both
organizations
so that a
wholistic
portrait of this
issue
can
be
exercised.
and
its split
from the
ACB. This
seems like a
productive and
enlightening
discussion
but I
wonder, if the
Federation and
the
council claim to
be
friends, should
there not
be
representation
from
both sides,
identifying
their position
and
whereabouts
they
stand, in
this? At
----
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Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com
(by way of
David
Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
Subject:
[Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
Our Eyes
interview,
Ride
into
History,Race
for
Independence,
Wed. June
22, 8:00 pm
EDT
Date
sent:
Fri, 17 Jun 2011
19:26:45 -0500
Save
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Date:
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Thru Our
Eyes host,
Joe
Ruffalo will
interview
Parnell Diggs,
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Imagination
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The
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In
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changing what
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Special
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30
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