[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Carly Mihalakis Esq.
carlymih at earthlink.net
Fri Jun 24 16:01:48 UTC 2011
Good morning, Chris,
Perhaps, but people often describe how they got the guns while we got
the numbers!
Have a beautiful day!
Car At 05:59 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote:
>Carly,
>
>I think we all know that the Federation has had and still has the
>clearest, most insistant voice, mostly because we are the largest
>organization of blind people. There is strength in numbers.
>
>Chris
>
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>
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>
>Sent from my BrailleNote
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students mailing
>list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
>interview,Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>
>
>
>I'm no blindness historian or activist particularly, but I seem to be
>aware of the US mint approaching the consumer group with the clearest
>most insistant voice about 10 years ago and that voice happened to
>belong to the Federation. So, it may be inaccurate to say that this
>issue was never bbroached within the dialogue that is blindness
>issues.:11 PM 6/22/2011, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>Joshua,
> Different textures, different sizes, I honestly don't know either.
>That's why this is such a problem. If we were a smaller country, or
>if we'd thought about this 25 years ago, I bet it would be a lot
>easier..
>
>On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>What else can we do, to make it identifiable?
>We've discussed this to death, on the other list.
>Making the paper currency have different textures may be okay.
>The Braille, though isn't the answer.
>I don't know what else to do.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Kirt,
>You and Josh have valid points, but I have even a better solution! Lets
>make
>the currency identifable so that a blind person would not have to find a
>friend or rely on technology to identify their money. Don't we stress
>independence? Well having to ask someone how much money you have or
>dependenting on technology to identify your money is not independence. The
>folding method is fine if you know how much money you have.
>Anmol
>I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>Perhaps
>there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
>among flowers.
>Hellen Keller
>
>
>--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
>Ride
>into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 4:00 PM
>Joshua,
> Valid points. I've got a solution for you that
>doesn't cost a
>thing. Get a sighted person you trust to tell you
>what your bills are
>when you get them, and fold them so you can identify them
>in the
>future. Inconvenient, maybe...but hey, if we're going
>to fit in to
>the world we've got to put up with some annoyances.
> BTW, what's wrong with a 20 cell display? Not
>ideal maybe but, hey,
>maybe a rehab counselor would be more willing to get
>something with
>that much of a price reduction as compared to a 40
>cell. I used a
>20-cell PAC mate all through High School, an 18-cell Apex
>for my first
>year of college, and the shorter displays work fine.
> Best,
>Kirt
>
>On 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>wrote:
>This is what Allan Ramos told me.
>He was a trainee at LWSB, when I was there.
>He's a member of the CCB, (California Council of the
>Blind,) (not to
>be confused with Colorado Center for the Blind.)
>I'm going on what he said.
>Paper currency in the US, started with Andrew
>Jackson.
>Glenn Beck talks about this in great deal, in his
>book, "Growth."
>I've heard, that the debit cards are an alternative,
>but we don't have
>such a system, that is accessible to us, in my small
>town.
>It's either what I suggested, or we should ask the NFB
>to push the
>companies that make accessible technologies, to make
>their technology
>affordable for all blind citizens, that need it.
>That's my problem with the Blind Driver Challenge,
>(for example.)
>They will make this car, but they have to charge an
>obseen amount of
>money, for it.
>I'm not going to be able to afford it.
>I can't afford a Pac Mate, with a 32 cell Braille
>display, and my
>state won't purchase it, for my schooling.
>I'm bringing this up, because, (back to the currency,)
>the IBill costs $100.
>The IBill, (I felt of one at convention last year,) is
>as small as a
>giga-pet.
>I got one of those, for $5, when I was a child!
>Why would I pay $100 for something that small?
>Make it affordable!
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
>wrote:
>Josh,
>Your idea to have only coins is a good idea, but
>not realistic. Can you
>see
>a 50 dollar coin or even 20 dollar coin? Paper
>currency has been and will
>always be a fabric of this country as it is in
>every country. Which
>country
>has only coins and know paper currency?
>I do not believe, but I could be wrong and please
>correct me, but I do not
>think that ACB is advocating only braille notes.
> From my understanding
>they
>have been advocating a form of paper currency
>which is accessible and
>afordable. Ovisily braille is not the most
>afordable means to make paper
>currency accessible.
>
>Anmol
>I seldom think about my limitations, and they
>never make me sad. Perhaps
>there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
>is vague, like a breeze
>among flowers.
>Hellen Keller
>
>
>--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>wrote:
>
>From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list]
>Threw Our Eyes interview,
>Ride
>into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June
>22, 8:00 pm EDT
>To: "National Association of Blind Students
>mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:51 PM
>Anmol, it's amazing that you bring up
>accessible currency.
>What the ACB wants, is Brailled currency.
>That isn't going to work.
>I have the answer to the problem.
>First of all, it's political.
>I'm tired of people saying that the
>conservatives aren't on
>the side
>of the blind.
>When it comes to currency, they are.
>Remember, when Reagan mentioned a return to
>the gold
>standard?
>Coins are the answer to the problem.
>We can identify the coins, by their texture.
>We can't do this with paper currency.
>That solves the problems with our currency.
>This would help everyone, including us.
>#1. You can't inflate, or deflate coins.
>#2. You can't counterfeit coins.
>#3, (Here's the thing that will help blind
>people,) We can
>identify
>coins by their texture.
>Would there have to be alot of changes made?
>Yes, but is it worth it?
>Yes!
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
>wrote:
>Jessica,
>Good point. In addition, I would much
>rather a blind
>person to feel mobil
>even if they don't have good mobility
>skills and
>frankly I would rather have
>audible street lights then to see a blind
>person get
>killed because they
>could not figure out how the traffic
>goes.
>Anmol
>I seldom think about my limitations, and
>they never
>make me sad. Perhaps
>there is just a touch of yearning at
>times; but it is
>vague, like a breeze
>among flowers.
>Hellen Keller
>
>
>--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
>wrote:
>
>From: Jessica <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>[Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>Our Eyes interview, Ride
>into History, Race for Independence,
>Wed. June 22,
>8:00 pm EDT
>To: "National Association of Blind
>Students
>mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:01
>PM
>There are certain types of
>intersections where no matter how
>long you stand
>there and
>listen to traffic you will never hear
>a good cycle
>so in
>those cases I actually support aps.
>Just keep that
>in mind
>when someone talks about every
>intersection being
>crossable
>by listening to traffic.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Kirt
>Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>Anmol,
> It's a nice thought.
>Maybe it'll
>be
>possible, some day. Never say
>never, ri9ght?
> But here's the
>thing. The two
>organizations have evolved two
>separate philosophies and
>mindsets. I'm
>doing
>something really bad
>and generalizing. If
>anyone who knows
>more than
>I do wants to correct
>me here, feel free.
> The stance the ACB seems
>to take more
>often than
>not is to make the
>environment more accessible for
>us.
>This is
>evidenced by their
>support for audible street
>signals (which
>make a lot
>of sense to me,
>I'm not really convinced one way
>or the other
>on that
>one yet),
>tactile currency, descriptive
>movies, the
>provisions
>in the ADA to
>make ATMs accessible, the 21st
>century
>communications
>act, their
>support for Randolph-Shepherd,
>universal
>design in
>technology, etc.
>They also use lots of their
>resources to
>fight
>descrimination, at
>least it seems that way to me.
> The NFB, on the other
>hand, seems to
>more often
>than not advocate us
>adapting to the
>environment. This is
>evidenced
>by the strict
>standards of training centers,
>pushing
>braille,
>opposition to the
>tactile currency idea, advocacy
>of relying on
>traffic
>rather than
>audible signals (which makes a
>lot of sense
>to me),
>our philosophy
>that with the right training and
>opportunity
>we can
>compete on an
>equal footing, the idea of the
>blind driver
>challenge,
>etc. Of course
>the NFB sometimes pushes making
>changes in
>the
>environment (technology
>bill of rights, Help America
>Vote Act, and
>the ADA
>which we also
>supported), and the ACB does
>advocate for
>quality
>independence
>training/O&M. But,
>those are the
>rough
>philosophies of the two
>organizations, if we're going by
>their
>records.
>Is the ACB wrong?
>No, I don't think so, but the
>NFB is more of
>a fit
>with my vision of
>blindness. I just think
>thee two
>separate
>methodoligies willkeep us
>from ever uniting as one
>group...and that's
>ok.
>We all have the
>right, even the obligation to
>advocate for
>ourselves
>and those we
>represent. The ACB does it
>their way,
>we do it
>ours. Sometimes there
>is overlap, lots of times our
>philosophies
>take us in
>different
>directions and put us on
>opposite sides of
>important
>issues. When our
>aims are the same (or similar),
>we need to
>work
>together and present a
>united front. When we are
>at odds
>(which we
>often are, the two
>organizations really are very
>different), we
>both have
>the right to
>push our separate agendas and
>attempt to get
>our
>policies implimented.
>Sometimes they win, sometimes we
>win, that's
>politics. We don't have
>to be bitter about it and, on
>the personal
>level, we
>can still be good
>friends even when our politics
>are at odds.
> Just my thoughts,
>Kirt
>
>On 6/22/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
>wrote:
>Kirt,
>You bring some vary valid
>points, and yes
>we have
>beaten the
>democrats/republicans
>analogy to
>death but
>it keeps coming up as a
>comparison, so I will just
>say one thing
>about
>this. I may have already said
>this before on the list, but
>please
>furgive me if
>I have. The blind
>community is a to small of a
>community to
>be
>divided on partizen lines like
>democrats and republicans,
>and our
>challenges are
>to great to be divided
>like democrats and
>republicans. Sure
>there will be
>differences between
>members of the ACB and
>members of the NFB
>on how
>business should be
>conducted, but honestly
>there differences
>between
>members of each
>organization on how their
>organization
>should do
>business.
>True there were disagreement
>on how
>business
>should and leadership issues
>causing the split between
>the NFB and
>ACB, I
>consider the leadership issues
>to be pitty differences.
>Often when one
>candidate
>loses, they and their
>supporters go and form their
>on
>organization or
>chapter. This happened at my
>local NFB chapter and as a
>result we have
>two NFB
>chapters in a small town.
>Now some may consider this
>to be a good
>thing, but
>think about how much more
>we can achieve if we were
>one NFB chapter
>in
>Fayetteville in recruiting,
>fund raising and my
>volunteers for
>events. In
>addition, these types of
>childish arguements causes
>many blind
>people who
>otherwise may be involved
>in a blind organization to
>be a "fense
>sitters".
>Now using this analogy to
>NFB ACB, ACB does not have
>near the funds
>that NFB
>has, but they are not
>poor eather. Their
>attendence is not as
>large at
>the conventions, but it is
>not small eather. Think if
>both of these
>organizations were together how
>much more money we would
>have to do
>policy that
>each organization does or
>the advocacy work that each
>organization
>does, and think about how much
>larger the convention would
>be. We would
>pack two
>hotels full or near full.
>In addition, think about how
>much venders
>would be
>giving out in prizes
>because now insteading
>having to spend
>money to
>send their workers to two
>convention, they will only
>have to send
>their
>workers to one convention. In
>addition, most venders give
>out big
>prizes at each
>convention and if there
>was only one convention,
>they can give
>two
>prizes.
>However, you are right in
>that
>realistically the
>two organizations will not
>merge any time soon.
>
>best wishes,
>Anmol
>I seldom think about my
>limitations, and
>they
>never make me sad. Perhaps
>there is just a touch of
>yearning at
>times; but it
>is vague, like a breeze
>among flowers.
>Hellen Keller
>
>
>--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Kirt
>Manwaring
><kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>From: Kirt Manwaring
><kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>[Nfbnet-members-list]
>Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>into History, Race for
>Independence,
>Wed. June
>22, 8:00 pm EDT
>To: "National
>Association of Blind
>Students
>mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Tuesday, June 21,
>2011, 2:51
>PM
>Anmol,
> I don't
>really see a
>merger
>happening any time soon,
>nor would I
>want it to. We've
>all beaten
>the
>democrat/republican
>analogy to
>death...but imagine
>Barack Obama and
>Mitt
>Romney in the
>same political
>party. It just
>wouldn't work.
>There are huge
>differences. It
>doesn't make the NFB
>better for
>everyone, but
>it makes the
>NFB better
>for me. I have
>lots of respect
>for my
>friends in the
>ACB who stand up
>and fight for their
>agenda.
>Lots of the
>times, it's
>the same as mine.
>When it's not, we can
>talk without
>being
>jackasses to each
>other and,
>in a lot of cases, the
>disagreement
>actually
>strengthens
>our
>friendship.
> I say
>diversity is
>good,
>competition is good, we
>need a free market
>of ideas. I
>respect ACB and the
>sincere
>people there
>trying to make
>the lives of blind
>people
>better. I
>happen to find
>the Federation
>philosophy and method
>more meaningful
>for
>me. I want
>to understand
>the split. From
>the little bit
>of
>studying I've done,
>I don't really
>think it was petty
>personal
>differences but
>rather
>differing
>philosophies about
>methodology and
>leadership
>that drove
>the two
>groups to
>separate. We can be
>different
>without being
>petty. We can
>disagree without being
>bigots.
>When our
>two
>organizations come down
>on opposite sides of
>important
>issues, as we
>often do, we
>need not be
>arrogant or
>self-rightious because we
>think
>we're
>right. The fact
>is,
>we disagree. And I
>think the
>disagreements are too
>central to our
>respective organizations
>for us to
>ever become
>one.
>But that doesn't
>mean we can't be
>friends, especially
>on a
>personal level.
> Best,
>Kirt
>
>On 6/21/11, Anmol Bhatia
><anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
>wrote:
>Kirt,
>You are bringing up
>some vary
>good
>points...
>Understanding the
>history of
>the NFB and ACB is
>an import part
>in the
>history in
>the blind movement and
>an important part in
>the history
>of two
>organizations.
>Frankly in it is just
>my oppinion both
>organizations
>bring value
>and have
>and continue to make a
>difference for blind
>people
>across America
>on a daily
>bases. It is a shame
>that this split
>happened and just
>maybe
>the next
>generation of blind
>individuals our
>generation or
>those who
>are younger
>then can bring the two
>organizations
>together once
>again. Now
>this is just my
>translation and my
>oppinion, but
>it seems to
>me that
>the NFB ACB
>split happened over
>pitty
>differences and two
>individuals
>with
>different ideas
>fighting for power. It
>seems to me that the
>hate the
>two
>organizations have
>towards each other is
>not as strong
>amongest this
>generation.
>Infact many
>members of NABS of ACB
>and NABS of NFB are
>friends in
>life and
>attack on the
>other organization is
>
> usually not
>allow on each
>organization's mailing
>list.
>Dave, you are right
>that ACB does
>not have
>the same
>amount of people
>attending its'
>convention, but
>their
>attendence is not
>small eather. I would
>guess 1500 attend
>the ACB
>convention and
>all the major
>venders who attend
>the NFB convention
>attend the
>ACB
>convention. There
>are also quite a few
>young people who
>attend the ACB
>convention.
>Yes ACB does its'
>business
>different then
>NFB, but
>thats why they are a
>different
>organization. However,
>this does
>not make
>them any worse or
>better
>then the NFB.
>Just my thoughts and
>it would be
>great if
>we keep the
>attacks on each
>organization to as
>less as
>possible.
>
>Anmol
>
>
>I seldom think about
>my
>limitations, and
>they never
>make me sad. Perhaps
>there is just a
>touch of yearning
>at
>times; but it is
>vague, like a breeze
>among flowers.
>Hellen Keller
>
>
>--- On Tue, 6/21/11,
>Kirt
>Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>From: Kirt
>Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>Subject: Re:
>[nabs-l]
>[Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>Our Eyes interview,
>Ride
>into History,
>Race for
>Independence,
>Wed. June 22,
>8:00 pm EDT
>To: "National
>Association of
>Blind
>Students
>mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Tuesday,
>June 21, 2011,
>12:25
>PM
>Dave,
>
> How long ago
>was
>this? Things could've
>changed
>since you last
>went
>if it's been a
>while, maybe?
>And, with respect,
>this
>is a big deal
>to
>a lot of
>us. I know for
>me it's
>a lot more than
>a
>"small
>consideration",
>I like to
>know the
>past as much as
>I can
>because it
>shaped the here
>and
>now. I can
>read the books
>put out
>by each
>
>organization-they probably
>both have
>lots of the
>truth
>intermingled
>with their
>respective
>agendas.
>But nothing
>beats
>talking to
>people
>who have studied
>the issues
>or,
>preferably, people
>who were
>actually
>there.
>
> All the
>best,
>Kirt
>
>On 6/21/11,
>David Andrews
><dandrews at visi.com
>wrote:
>The two
>biggest things I
>noticed
>at an ACB
>national
>convention were
>that the
>crowd was
>considerably
>smaller than
>that at a
>NFB convention
>-- less
>exhibits etc.
>too.
>The second
>things was
>that there were
>few
>young
>persons -- some
>but
>noticeably not
>very
>many. One
>of the major
>things that
>the ACB has
>pushed in
>the past is
>that it
>is different
>from the
>NFB, it does
>things
>differently
>etc.
>This doesn't
>really
>matter to
>younger people
>though,
>so they have
>little
>reason to join,
>so
>don't.
>
>You guys can
>spend lots
>of time on
>the
>history, and
>differences if
>you want --
>but what is
>the
>point. It
>happened,
>it is over with
>and
>done.
>Yes we can
>and should
>learn from our
>history, but it
>is just
>one small
>consideration.
>
>Dave
>
>At 11:32 AM
>6/20/2011,
>you wrote:
>Dave,
>
> I do see
>your
>point. Those
>alive at the
>time are not,
>and will
>
>probabluy never be
>friends. Heck,
>getting
>them to actually
>talk in
>peace
>would be the
>achievement
>of the
>
>century! if
>such a
>call were
>to
>hypothetically
>happen, how
>could we
>keep it from
>opening old
>wounds
>and
>stoking old
>fires?
>
> Best,
>Kirt
>
>On
>6/20/11, Chris
>Nusbaum
><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>Dave,
>
>Our
>joint
>conference call
>isn't
>associated
>whatsoever with
>the
>
>proposition of a
>change in
>the NFB
>bylaw. If
>I'm setting
>this
>up,
>which it
>appears I am,
>I didn't
>even have
>the intention
>of
>
>mentioning that
>proposition on the
>call. The
>call's
>purpose is
>to
>learn the
>history of
>the NFB/ACB,
>with a
>little emphasis
>on
>the
>"civil war"
>period,
>from both
>sides so we
>are
>informed. I
>also
>want this
>call to
>start a
>discussion on
>the history of
>our
>
>movement and what
>we can
>learn from
>it, not
>only as
>
>Federationists,
>but as
>blind
>students.
>Jorge and I have
>found
>some
>ways that we
>can hold
>the call
>without
>making it a
>NABS
>
>membership call,
>if it is
>entirely
>necessary.
>And as to
>your
>
>comments about
>them not
>being our
>friends,
>then using your
>
>argument, the
>Republicans
>should not
>hear the
>Democrats point
>of
>view
>in meetings
>of
>Congress, but
>the two
>parties should
>be
>
>separated from
>each other
>for fear
>of their
>own side being
>
>attacked.
>We can
>keep our same
>opinions, and
>probably many
>
>Federationists
>and Council
>members
>who attend
>this call will.
>This
>is just a
>way that we
>can be
>more
>informed when
>forming
>
>these opinions.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>"A
>loss of sight,
>never a
>loss of
>vision!"
>(Camp Abilities
>motto)
>To
>learn more
>about Camp
>Abilities
>and find a
>local camp near
>you,
>just click
>on this
>link to
>their
>national Web
>site:
>
>www.campabilities.org.
>
>The
>I C.A.N.
>Foundation helps
>visually
>impaired youth
>in
>
>Maryland have the
>ability
>to
>confidently say
>"I can!" How?
>Click
>on
>this link to
>learn more
>and to
>contribute:
>
>www.icanfoundation.info.
>
>
>
> Sent from
>my BrailleNote
>
>
>
> -----
>Original Message -----
>
>From: David
>Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>To:
>National
>Association
>of Blind
>Students
>mailing list
>
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date
>sent: Sun,
>19 Jun
>2011 20:39:01
>-0500
>
>Subject: Re:
>[nabs-l]
>[Nfbnet-members-list]
>Threw Our Eyes
>
>interview,Ride
>into
>History, Race
>for
>Independence,
>Wed.
>June
>22,
>8:00 pm EDT
>
>
>Chris:
>
>I
>don't want to
>friend
>anyone -- but
>I think
>this is a
>terrible
>
>idea!
>Remember the
>ACB split off
>from
>the NFB because
>they
>
>thought
>that
>we were all
>wrong,
>did our
>business in
>the wrong way
>etc. I
>am
>not
>going to say
>that we
>can't learn
>anything
>from the ACB,
>but
>not
>a
>
>history
>lesson. I
>was at a ACb
>National
>Convention a few
>years
>ago
>--
>and heard the
>NFB
>attacked openly
>and
>
>indirectly. These
>folks
>are
>not
>our
>friends. We
>can work
>jointly at
>times, and
>should, and I
>
>don't think we
>should be
>against
>them, for
>the sake of it,
>as
>some
>of
>my
>old-timer
>friends are
>-- but a
>joint
>conference call
>on
>
>consideration of
>a change
>to a NFB
>division
>bylaw is going
>to
>
>far!
>
>
>Dave
>
>At
>12:53 PM
>6/19/2011, you
>wrote:
>
>Kirt,
>
>I
>have a friend
>in the
>Council that
>I will
>see Monday
>night, so I
>plan
>to give this
>idea to
>him and
>ask if he
>knows someone in
>the
>
>Council that
>would be
>knowledgeable
>enough
>and willing to
>attend
>this
>call on
>behalf of the
>Council
>as an
>expert on their
>history.
>
>Maybe it would be
>better
>if someone
>like me
>moderated.
>Keep in
>
>mind
>that
>I did
>volunteer, but
>I'm not
>degrading
>anyone else, I'm
>just
>
>using myself as
>an example
>here.
>I'm a
>member of the
>Federation,
>but
>I'm not a
>hard-line
>"NFB is
>good, ACB
>bad" person, so
>I
>
>wouldn't
>show
>any bias to
>NFB or
>ACB. I
>also am
>not currently a
>
>contributing
>
>(due-paying)
>member of
>NABS, so I'm
>not a
>leader in it of
>
>course.
>That way, we
>wouldn't have
>any
>bias.
>I
>think it would
>be easy
>to have it
>jointly
>attended even if
>it's
>an
>
>official NABS
>call.
>If we have a
>representative
>of ACB on the
>
>call,
>we
>could probably
>easily
>get other
>members of
>ACB on the call
>to
>kind
>of back up
>or add to
>that
>guest
>speaker's
>information.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>
>Chris
>
>"A
>loss of sight,
>never a
>loss of
>vision!"
>(Camp Abilities
>motto)
>To
>learn more
>about Camp
>Abilities
>and find a
>local camp near
>
>you,
>just
>click on
>this link to
>their
>national Web
>site:
>
>www.campabilities.org.
>
>The
>I C.A.N.
>Foundation helps
>visually
>impaired youth
>in
>
>Maryland
>have
>the ability
>to
>confidently say
>"I can!"
>How? Click on
>this
>
>link
>to
>learn more and
>to
>contribute:
>
>www.icanfoundation.info.
>
>Sent
>from my
>BrailleNote
>
>
>----- Original
>Message
>-----
>
>From: Kirt
>Manwaring
><kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>To:
>National
>Association
>of Blind
>Students
>mailing list
>
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date
>sent: Sun,
>19 Jun
>2011 00:45:08
>-0600
>
>Subject: Re:
>[nabs-l]
>[Nfbnet-members-list]
>Threw Our Eyes
>
>interview,Ride
>into
>History, Race
>for
>Independence,
>Wed.
>June
>22,
>8:00 pm EDT
>
>
>Carley,
>
> The
>two
>organizations don't
>really claim to
>be "friends"
>as
>
>such-it
>
>seems like now
>they just
>mostly
>ignore each
>other, work
>jointly
>
>when
>
>their agendas
>converge and
>play
>politics when
>they
>don't. Maybe
>
>they
>
>aren't enemies,
>but the
>official
>organizations
>don't really
>
>advertise
>
>themselves as
>friends.
>
>While it
>would be great to
>have people from
>both
>organizations
>
>participate in a
>joint
>call, I don't
>see it
>happening.
>Here's
>
>hoping
>
>though, I
>guess It's
>certainly a
>nice
>
>thought-although, if the
>
>call
>were
>to have
>presentations
>from
>members of
>both
>organizations, it
>
>probably should
>be jointly
>moderated
>and
>attended.
>The NFB (or
>
>probably even
>NABS) would,
>I'm
>betting, not
>be inclined to
>go
>
>there.
>So
>maybe we'll
>have better
>luck
>going through
>unnoficial
>channels
>and
>
>setting this up
>on our
>own? No
>need to
>make it an
>official event
>for
>
>either the
>Federation or
>the
>Council-I think
>it's safe to
>say
>
>that
>idea
>was doomed
>to fail
>before it
>was brought
>up.
>
>Best,
>
>Kirt
>
>On
>6/18/11, Chris
>Nusbaum
><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>wrote:
>And,
>as I said
>before, I
>would be
>very
>willing to
>moderate this
>
>call.
>Please keep me
>posted!
>
>
>Chris
>
>"A
>loss of sight,
>never a
>loss of
>vision!"
>(Camp Abilities
>motto)
>To
>learn more
>about Camp
>Abilities
>and find a
>local camp near
>you,
>just click
>on this
>link to
>their
>national Web
>site:
>
>www.campabilities.org.
>
>The
>I C.A.N.
>Foundation helps
>visually
>impaired youth
>in
>
>Maryland have the
>ability
>to
>confidently say
>"I can!" How?
>Click
>on
>this link to
>learn more
>and to
>contribute:
>
>www.icanfoundation.info.
>
>
> Sent
>from my
>BrailleNote
>
>
>-----
>Original Message
>-----
>
>From: Ignasi
>Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com
>To:
>National
>Association
>of Blind
>Students
>mailing list
>
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date
>sent: Sat,
>18 Jun
>2011 18:51:04
>-0400
>
>Subject: Re:
>[nabs-l]
>[Nfbnet-members-list]
>Threw Our Eyes
>
>interview,Ride
>into
>History, Race
>for
>Independence,
>Wed.
>June
>22,
>8:00 pm EDT
>
>This
>call would
>be very
>interesting
>indeed.
>If
>representatives
>from
>both
>organizations
>are willing
>to
>participate, it
>can really
>be
>productive in
>many
>ways.
>On
>Jun 18, 2011,
>at 1:46
>PM, Carly
>Mihalakis
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Good
>morning,
>list,
>
>
> A
>few days
>ago, someone on
>the NABS
>list suggested
>a
>
>conference
>call
>bringing
>clarity to a
>younger
>
>generation. What,
>exactly, is
>the
>history of
>the
>ideological
>parting of
>ways, between
>the
>
>Federation and
>the
>Council? Does
>anybody know
>today, the
>history
>of
>this division
>or is it
>a product
>of sheer
>habit as is the
>case
>with
>Republicans
>and
>Democrats? If
>such a
>meeting of both
>
>entities were to
>take
>place, There
>ought to
>be
>representation of
>
>both
>organizations
>so that a
>wholistic
>portrait of this
>issue
>can
>be
>exercised.
>
>
> and
>its split
>from the
>ACB. This
>seems like a
>productive and
>
>enlightening
>discussion
>but I
>wonder, if the
>Federation and
>the
>
>council claim to
>be
>friends, should
>there not
>be
>representation
>
>from
>both sides,
>identifying
>their position
>and
>whereabouts
>they
>stand, in
>this? At
>
> ----
>Original
>Message
>------
>
>From: "Joe
>Ruffalo" <nfbnj at yahoo.com
>(by way of
>David
>
>Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
>
>Subject:
>
>[Nfbnet-members-list] Thru
>Our Eyes
>interview,
>Ride
>into
>History,Race
>for
>Independence,
>Wed. June
>22, 8:00 pm
>EDT
>
> Date
>sent:
>Fri, 17 Jun 2011
>19:26:45 -0500
>
>
>
> Save
>The
>Date:
>
>
> On
>Wednesday,
>June 22,at
>8:00 pm eastern,
>Thru Our
>Eyes host,
>Joe
>
>Ruffalo will
>interview
>Parnell Diggs,
>chair of the
>Imagination
>
>Fund,
>
> Race
>for
>Independence.
>
>
> The
>interview
>will highlight
>current and past
>grants
>awarded to
>
>state
>
>affiliates
>and chapters.
>
> In
>addition,
>featured will
>be Imaginators
>who will share
>the
>
>methods
>
> to
>make the
>ask to make a
>difference in
>changing what
>it means
>to
>be blind.
>
>
>Special
>highlight of the
>interview will
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>announcement of
>the
>30
>
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>will have the
>opportunity to
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>
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> the
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>
>
>Witness the
>opportunity to
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>
>
> To
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