[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Sat Jun 25 01:48:51 UTC 2011

Anmol,
  I didn't say India doesn't have a lot of infrastructure.  I just
think the US, all told, has more that would need to be replaced.  I'd
be interested to know if India's currency has been of different sizes
ever since India became in independent country in 1948.
  Just think of it this way.  How many times do you see an ATM in a
convenience store, bank, hotel, hospital, airport or supermarket?  If
we made our currency different sizes, or added tactile marks, all
those hundreds of thousands of ATMS would have to be replaced.  I'm
sure Europe had that problem adopting the euro, but it was worth the
cost for most people involved.  It's not fair to the however many
million sighted Americans out there to make them replace all their
ATMS, vending machines, cash they already have, etc.  But, like I
said, since it's going to happen anyway, I hope they pull off
something that will work.
  Best,
Kirt

On 6/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kirt,
> Actually there is a large infrastructure in India. The thing is that
> identifiable currency has just become a part of life and I don't think it
> was ever intended to be accessable for the blind when it was designed. So
> why was the Indian currency designed in different sizes? I am not sure, but
> the sighted and blind have benefited from it alike and cost to do this can
> not be that high since there are not many resources and frankly it is hard
> to get Indian politicians to do anything good for people with disabilities
> is rare. Perfect example of what can be possible in the US.
> Anmol
>
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/24/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 7:14 PM
>> Anmol,
>>   I should never say I'm leaving-people always say
>> stuff and I can't
>> stay away.  Here's the thing about India.  As
>> large as the population
>> is (massive!), there's not near the infrastructure to
>> replace.  I hope
>> that will change as India's economy becomes more and more
>> developed
>> and the middle class gets larger but, as it stands now, I
>> think doing
>> this in the US would be a lot harder than in India because
>> of all the
>> machinery that would need to be redone.
>>   Best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 6/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Kirt,
>> > The population of UK may be five times less then US,
>> but the population of
>> > my country of India is 1 billion  almost three
>> times more then the US and
>> > still we have currency wich can be identifiable by the
>> blind. So if India
>> > can make the transition without a problem, then it
>> should not be that
>> > difficult for the US.
>> >
>> > Anmol
>> >
>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>> make me sad. Perhaps
>> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>> vague, like a breeze
>> > among flowers.
>> > Hellen Keller
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
>> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 10:49 PM
>> >> Carley,
>> >>   Cool!  I've never been a science guy.  I'm
>> >> going to straite my brain
>> >> and leave the list for a couple days.  Enjoy,
>> >> everyone.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi, Kurt,
>> >> >
>> >> > As I understand it, a muscle striates when it
>> is
>> >> active. If
>> >> > therefore, a law, procedure or cultural norm
>> striates,
>> >> it flexes its
>> >> > muscle, thus changing states.
>> >> > Have fun, Kurt!
>> >> > Car23/2011, you wrote:
>> >> >>Carly,
>> >> >>   I'm not exactly sure what a
>> >> striation is.  The NFBwas opposed to
>> >> >>such a measure, and I think they were
>> right to be
>> >> against it for
>> >> >>reasons I've already mentioned.  But,
>> after
>> >> the federal court judge
>> >> >>decided to side with the ACB, the NFB
>> decided,
>> >> rightly, that it may as
>> >> >>well be a part of the process since it was
>> going to
>> >> happen anyway.  I
>> >> >>don't really see the harm in this, do
>> you?
>> >> >>   Best,
>> >> >>Kirt
>> >> >>
>> >> >>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Good morning, Kirt,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >          'Seems to
>> >> me though, that one ought to be able to determine
>> >> >> > shades of their own reality, which
>> is how I
>> >> understand the Federation
>> >> >> > wants its members, to conduct
>> themselves, in
>> >> the world. Yet, beyond
>> >> >> > the elaborate striations the
>> existing system
>> >> will need to experience,
>> >> >> > if such a change were to be made,
>> how come
>> >> the Federation
>> >> >> > didn't  speak up when it was asked,
>> by
>> >> the Mint last time that entity
>> >> >> > produced curency?
>> >> >> > :
>> >> >> >>Carly,
>> >> >> >>   We all make
>> >> mistakes.  No worries.
>> >> >> >>   Now, just for the heck
>> >> of it, I'd like to address a point I think
>> >> >> >>you made earlier.  (I'm only
>> >> guessing, because my gmail wouldn't read
>> >> >> >>the whole message to me)  But I
>> think
>> >> you said something like this.
>> >> >> >>"The federation is kind of
>> hypocritical
>> >> because they rap ad noseum
>> >> >> >>about independence but are stuck
>> relying
>> >> on sighted people to help
>> >> >> >>them-depending on another person
>> isn't
>> >> independence at all!"  If I'm
>> >> >> >>off the mark, I'm sorry, but I
>> can see you
>> >> saying something like that
>> >> >> >>so it's just my guess of what you
>> said
>> >> from the little bit gmail was
>> >> >> >>able to read me.
>> >> >> >>   Here's the thing about
>> >> that.  Independence does not mean do
>> >> >> >>everything by yourself all the
>> time.
>> >> It simply means you can do what
>> >> >> >>you want to, when you want to do
>> it, in a
>> >> way that's efficient and
>> >> >> >>works for you.  It means,
>> basically,
>> >> that you aren't subject to
>> >> >> >>another person's vision of your
>> life, you
>> >> do things the way you wish
>> >> >> >>to do them.  It also means you
>> do
>> >> this without really making anyone
>> >> >> >>else go much out of their way to
>> help
>> >> you.
>> >> >> >>   So think of it this
>> >> way.  Every store already has a sighted worker,
>> >> >> >>most of those will be honest,
>> almost all
>> >> will be honest with other
>> >> >> >>people watching.  If you ask
>> that
>> >> person "hey, what's this bill you're
>> >> >> >>handing me?" that's in no way
>> compromising
>> >> your independence.  Using
>> >> >> >>technology is better because it
>> takes away
>> >> the outside chance that
>> >> >> >>someone's trying to pull off some
>> funny
>> >> business but, without the
>> >> >> >>technology, you're still probably
>> safe
>> >> most of the time.  As we've
>> >> >> >>seen already from other posts,
>> nothing is
>> >> fool proof.
>> >> >> >>   But back to independence
>> >> and philosophy and stuff.  Have you ever
>> >> >> >>used a reader?  If you have,
>> you're
>> >> using another person, who's
>> >> >> >>chosing to do something they
>> don't have to
>> >> do; either they get money
>> >> >> >>or they don't, but it works
>> because you
>> >> get the job done and you
>> >> >> >>aren't forcing them to do it for
>> >> you.  They chose to provide their
>> >> >> >>time to read you something-you
>> aren't
>> >> making them do anything.  Have
>> >> >> >>you ever used a sighted guide?
>> I do,
>> >> all the time.  (I'm starting to
>> >> >> >>less and less just to keep my
>> cane skills
>> >> up but sometimes it's just
>> >> >> >>the most efficient way to get
>> stuff
>> >> done.)  You can get somewhere
>> >> >> >>independently and use a sighted
>> guide, as
>> >> long as you're getting there
>> >> >> >>on your terms and you could do it
>> without
>> >> a guide there.
>> >> >> >>   See what I'm
>> >> saying?  Independent and interdependent aren't
>> >> mutually
>> >> >> >>exclusive.
>> >> >> >>   Best,
>> >> >> >>Kirt
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis
>> <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > 'Morning, Kurt,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> 'Guess I really blew it for myuy self with all
>> those I'd
>> >> say
>> >> >> >> > off the wall comments,
>> about the
>> >> Ibill.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Now a truth immerges which
>> I failed
>> >> to state clearly, before.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > 'was confused with the
>> NoteTeller 2
>> >> which, experience has shown me is
>> >> >> >> > unreliable, at best.
>> >> >> >> > Carly even the person
>> >> >> >> >> > showing them
>> couild not
>> >> make them work.
>> >> >> >> >> > It's interesting
>> however
>> >> that folks on this List have found good
>> >> >> >> >> > luck
>> >> >> >> >> > with them.
>> >> >> >> >> > Carwrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>That is your
>> experience
>> >> -- mine is that the iBill works quite well
>> >> >> >> >> >>-- and I think
>> others
>> >> have found this to be true too.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>Dave
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>At 05:08 PM
>> 6/22/2011,
>> >> you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi,
>> Hamberto and all
>> >> interested folks,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Truth be
>> known, my
>> >> common law husband and I had the I bill,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>courtesy of
>> rehab
>> >> but, after repeated attempts to make the thing
>> >> >> >> >> >>>identify
>> paper
>> >> currency, we ascertained it a genuine piece of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> shit
>> >> >> >> >> >>>and is not
>> worth
>> >> anything, so I submit that the manufacturers
>> >> >> >> >> >>> must
>> >> >> >> >> >>>be well
>> aware of
>> >> their having themselves a niche market, in blind
>> >> >> >> >> >>>people and
>> the deep
>> >> pocketed agencies who tend to support them,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> so
>> >> >> >> >> >>>are
>> totally
>> >> exploiting it in the manner of any Capitalist
>> aware
>> >> >> >> >> >>> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>>the
>> exisstance of a
>> >> small and needy marketplace.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>So, in
>> essence,
>> >> don't waste your's or rehab's  time with the I
>> >> >> >> >> >>>bill! 02:11
>> PM
>> >> 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>Hello,
>> but what
>> >> happens if I have a bill in my hand and I want
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> know
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> what
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>it is,
>> but there
>> >> is not a single sighted soul to tell me what it
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> is? I
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> know
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>is a
>> free
>> >> alternative but, is it truly worth it? And, what
>> if
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> that
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> sighted
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>person
>> lies
>> >> about the amount of money that is on the bill?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>I would
>> probably
>> >> support ideas like the KNFB reader and the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> iBill
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> identifier
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>if they
>> were
>> >> even cheaper. If they were so, I would buy one or
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> other,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>but so
>> far, I
>> >> can not afford either one.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >>
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