[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT

Anmol Bhatia anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 25 05:19:49 UTC 2011 

Kirt,
Why perchase every blind American a I bill and spend 100 million dollars when making the currency accessible would far cheaper both in the long-term and short-term? You and every opponent of making currencyb accessible seem to believe changing the currency accessible for the blind would be a expensive and berdensome process. I happen to think that cost maybe a bit high on the frunt end, but not high enough that it would brake the US treasury. As I have mentioned that I believe every 7 years a new set of notes have to come out in order to protect notes from being counterfitted. So a when a new bill comes out make it identifiable for the blind. Think of it this way with the example you suggested, if the Department of the treasury boughted every blind person a I Bill Identifier today and spent 100 million dollars, 7 years later they will have to spend another 100 million dollars so that the I Bill can read the new notes.

Anmol


I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Fri, 6/24/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 11:01 PM
> To all,
>   Here's an idea I just thought of.  If the US
> department of treasury
> forked out the money to buy every documented blind American
> an iBill,
> would that satisfy the terms of the legal ruling requiring
> them to
> make currency accessible?  Probably not, but I kind of
> wish it would.
> If we're assuming there are 1 million blind people in the
> US (I'm sure
> there are statistics somewhere, I've seen them before but
> kinda forgot
> the exact numbers), that'd be...what, a hundred million
> dollars?
> That's a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of
> replacing our cash
> with something completely new.
>   Best,
> Kirt
> P.S.  I know it's not practical, I know there are many
> blind people
> who would have no idea how to use an iBill even if it would
> save their
> lives...but I think it's a lot better idea than replacing
> every
> blasted ATM in the country.  The cost of that would
> easily go up into
> the billions, and we're already in more debt than we ever
> have been
> before.  And I think I'll stop, before I end up making
> a political
> statement.  *grin*
> 
> On 6/24/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi, Arielle,
> >
> > In a word it is absolutely, worth it!
> > Yet, if people in power are reluctant to change
> existiing
> > infrastructure then divices needed to discern,
> individual currency,
> > ought to be FREE in the name of total equality.
> > for today,
> > Car
> > :25 PM 6/24/2011, Arielle Silverman wrote:
> >>Hi all,
> >>I think there is a difference between having
> currency designed a
> >>certain way from the get-go, and having to change
> what has already
> >>been designed. So comparing India which has had
> identifiable currency
> >>since it became independent with the situation in
> the U.S. which would
> >>have to redesign the money from scratch is not
> really appropriate. I
> >>agree that having bills be identifiable by touch is
> useful for many
> >>reasons, both for the blind and the sighted. But is
> it worth the cost
> >>of having to redesign what has already been
> created?
> >>Arielle
> >>
> >>On 6/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kirt,
> >> > I am not sure, but I would guess that the
> current system of Indian
> >> > currency
> >> > has been in place since independence in 1947
> before any vending machines
> >> > or
> >> > ATM were invented. True it is not fair for
> millions of sighted
> >> > individuals
> >> > to have to pay and adjust to accessible
> currency: redesigning ATM and
> >> > vending machines, replacing the cash they
> already have which individuals
> >> > have to do every 7 years I believe or
> whenever a new note comes out; but
> >> > if
> >> > we allow the fairness arguement for the
> sighted keep us from advancing
> >> > our
> >> > goals to create opportunities and bring
> greater independence for the
> >> > blind
> >> > we would never achieve anything. If we used
> the fairness arguement as
> >> > you
> >> > described, it is not fair for millions of
> businesses to be
> >> mandated to build
> >> > ramps or have elevaters so that hand full of
> persons
> >> in  wheelchair can have
> >> > equal access, but do we live and do we want
> to live in a society where
> >> > only
> >> > majority have access and opportunity to life
> because making
> >> >  adjustments or baring cost associated
> to bringing the necessary changes
> >> > to
> >> > make certain aspects of life accessible 
> is unfair to the
> >> majority, or do we
> >> > want a society where people are willing to
> adjust and bare cost so that
> >> > their fellow citizens who happen to be blind
> or disabled can have equal
> >> > opportunities and rights as them? If we take
> the fairness arguement,
> >> > then
> >> > the Americans with Disabilities ACT (ADA) is
> unconstitutional and
> >> it was the
> >> > main reason why many businesses were opposed
> to it. Redesigning
> >> the currency
> >> > may cause inconvenience at first, but like
> Europe it will soon be a part
> >> > of
> >> > life and an adjustment that many do not have
> any problems. Many sighted
> >> > people have asked me why is the currency not
> accessible? Many
> >> sighted people
> >> > who I talk to about this do not seem to mind
> baring the cost and the
> >> > little
> >> > inconvenience associated with doing this in
> order to bring greater
> >> > opportunity and equality to the million or so
> blind individuals.
> >> >
> >> > best
> >> > Anmol
> >> >
> >> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they
> never make me sad. Perhaps
> >> > there is just a touch of yearning at times;
> but it is vague, like a
> >> > breeze
> >> > among flowers.
> >> > Hellen Keller
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Fri, 6/24/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview,
> >> >> Ride
> >> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed.
> June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >> To: "National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list"
> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 8:48 PM
> >> >> Anmol,
> >> >>   I didn't say India
> doesn't have a lot of
> >> >> infrastructure.  I just
> >> >> think the US, all told, has more that
> would need to be
> >> >> replaced.  I'd
> >> >> be interested to know if India's currency
> has been of
> >> >> different sizes
> >> >> ever since India became in independent
> country in 1948.
> >> >>   Just think of it this
> way.  How many times do
> >> >> you see an ATM in a
> >> >> convenience store, bank, hotel, hospital,
> airport or
> >> >> supermarket?  If
> >> >> we made our currency different sizes, or
> added tactile
> >> >> marks, all
> >> >> those hundreds of thousands of ATMS would
> have to be
> >> >> replaced.  I'm
> >> >> sure Europe had that problem adopting the
> euro, but it was
> >> >> worth the
> >> >> cost for most people involved.  It's
> not fair to the
> >> >> however many
> >> >> million sighted Americans out there to
> make them replace
> >> >> all their
> >> >> ATMS, vending machines, cash they already
> have, etc.
> >> >> But, like I
> >> >> said, since it's going to happen anyway,
> I hope they pull
> >> >> off
> >> >> something that will work.
> >> >>   Best,
> >> >> Kirt
> >> >>
> >> >> On 6/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Kirt,
> >> >> > Actually there is a large
> infrastructure in India. The
> >> >> thing is that
> >> >> > identifiable currency has just
> become a part of life
> >> >> and I don't think it
> >> >> > was ever intended to be accessable
> for the blind when
> >> >> it was designed. So
> >> >> > why was the Indian currency designed
> in different
> >> >> sizes? I am not sure, but
> >> >> > the sighted and blind have benefited
> from it alike and
> >> >> cost to do this can
> >> >> > not be that high since there are not
> many resources
> >> >> and frankly it is hard
> >> >> > to get Indian politicians to do
> anything good for
> >> >> people with disabilities
> >> >> > is rare. Perfect example of what can
> be possible in
> >> >> the US.
> >> >> > Anmol
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I seldom think about my limitations,
> and they never
> >> >> make me sad. Perhaps
> >> >> > there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but it is
> >> >> vague, like a breeze
> >> >> > among flowers.
> >> >> > Hellen Keller
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- On Fri, 6/24/11, Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >> >> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> >> >> into History, Race for
> Independence, Wed. June 22,
> >> >> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >> >> To: "National Association of
> Blind Students
> >> >> mailing list"
> >> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> >> Date: Friday, June 24, 2011,
> 7:14 PM
> >> >> >> Anmol,
> >> >> >>   I should never
> say I'm leaving-people always
> >> >> say
> >> >> >> stuff and I can't
> >> >> >> stay away.  Here's the
> thing about India.  As
> >> >> >> large as the population
> >> >> >> is (massive!), there's not near
> the infrastructure
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> replace.  I hope
> >> >> >> that will change as India's
> economy becomes more
> >> >> and more
> >> >> >> developed
> >> >> >> and the middle class gets larger
> but, as it stands
> >> >> now, I
> >> >> >> think doing
> >> >> >> this in the US would be a lot
> harder than in India
> >> >> because
> >> >> >> of all the
> >> >> >> machinery that would need to be
> redone.
> >> >> >>   Best,
> >> >> >> Kirt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 6/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Kirt,
> >> >> >> > The population of UK may be
> five times less
> >> >> then US,
> >> >> >> but the population of
> >> >> >> > my country of India is 1
> billion  almost
> >> >> three
> >> >> >> times more then the US and
> >> >> >> > still we have currency wich
> can be
> >> >> identifiable by the
> >> >> >> blind. So if India
> >> >> >> > can make the transition
> without a problem,
> >> >> then it
> >> >> >> should not be that
> >> >> >> > difficult for the US.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anmol
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I seldom think about my
> limitations, and they
> >> >> never
> >> >> >> make me sad. Perhaps
> >> >> >> > there is just a touch of
> yearning at times;
> >> >> but it is
> >> >> >> vague, like a breeze
> >> >> >> > among flowers.
> >> >> >> > Hellen Keller
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Kirt
> Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> From: Kirt Manwaring
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
> >> >> >> Our Eyes interview, Ride
> >> >> >> >> into History, Race for
> Independence, Wed.
> >> >> June 22,
> >> >> >> 8:00 pm EDT
> >> >> >> >> To: "National
> Association of Blind
> >> >> Students
> >> >> >> mailing list"
> >> >> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> >> >> Date: Thursday, June
> 23, 2011, 10:49 PM
> >> >> >> >> Carley,
> >> >> >>
> >>   Cool!  I've never been a
> science
> >> >> guy.  I'm
> >> >> >> >> going to straite my
> brain
> >> >> >> >> and leave the list for
> a couple days.
> >> >> Enjoy,
> >> >> >> >> everyone.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On 6/23/11, Carly
> Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Hi, Kurt,
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > As I understand
> it, a muscle
> >> >> striates when it
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> active. If
> >> >> >> >> > therefore, a law,
> procedure or
> >> >> cultural norm
> >> >> >> striates,
> >> >> >> >> it flexes its
> >> >> >> >> > muscle, thus
> changing states.
> >> >> >> >> > Have fun, Kurt!
> >> >> >> >> > Car23/2011, you
> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>Carly,
> >> >> >> >>
> >>   I'm not exactly sure what
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> striation is.  The
> NFBwas opposed to
> >> >> >> >> >>such a measure,
> and I think they
> >> >> were
> >> >> >> right to be
> >> >> >> >> against it for
> >> >> >> >> >>reasons I've
> already mentioned.
> >> >> But,
> >> >> >> after
> >> >> >> >> the federal court
> judge
> >> >> >> >> >>decided to side
> with the ACB, the
> >> >> NFB
> >> >> >> decided,
> >> >> >> >> rightly, that it may
> as
> >> >> >> >> >>well be a part
> of the process
> >> >> since it was
> >> >> >> going to
> >> >> >> >> happen anyway.  I
> >> >> >> >> >>don't really
> see the harm in
> >> >> this, do
> >> >> >> you?
> >> >> >> >>
> >>   Best,
> >> >> >> >> >>Kirt
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>On 6/23/11,
> Carly Mihalakis
> >> >> <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Good
> morning, Kirt,
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > 
>         'Seems to
> >> >> >> >> me though, that one
> ought to be able to
> >> >> determine
> >> >> >> >> >> > shades of
> their own
> >> >> reality, which
> >> >> >> is how I
> >> >> >> >> understand the
> Federation
> >> >> >> >> >> > wants its
> members, to
> >> >> conduct
> >> >> >> themselves, in
> >> >> >> >> the world. Yet, beyond
> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> elaborate striations
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> existing system
> >> >> >> >> will need to
> experience,
> >> >> >> >> >> > if such a
> change were to be
> >> >> made,
> >> >> >> how come
> >> >> >> >> the Federation
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> didn't  speak up when it
> >> >> was asked,
> >> >> >> by
> >> >> >> >> the Mint last time that
> entity
> >> >> >> >> >> > produced
> curency?
> >> >> >> >> >> > :
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>Carly,
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>   We all make
> >> >> >> >> mistakes.  No
> worries.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>   Now, just for the
> >> >> heck
> >> >> >> >> of it, I'd like to
> address a point I
> >> >> think
> >> >> >> >> >> >>you
> made earlier.  (I'm
> >> >> only
> >> >> >> >> guessing, because my
> gmail wouldn't read
> >> >> >> >> >> >>the
> whole message to
> >> >> me)  But I
> >> >> >> think
> >> >> >> >> you said something like
> this.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>"The
> federation is kind
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> hypocritical
> >> >> >> >> because they rap ad
> noseum
> >> >> >> >> >> >>about
> independence but
> >> >> are stuck
> >> >> >> relying
> >> >> >> >> on sighted people to
> help
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>them-depending on
> >> >> another person
> >> >> >> isn't
> >> >> >> >> independence at
> all!"  If I'm
> >> >> >> >> >> >>off
> the mark, I'm sorry,
> >> >> but I
> >> >> >> can see you
> >> >> >> >> saying something like
> that
> >> >> >> >> >> >>so
> it's just my guess of
> >> >> what you
> >> >> >> said
> >> >> >> >> from the little bit
> gmail was
> >> >> >> >> >> >>able
> to read me.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>   Here's the thing
> >> >> about
> >> >> >> >> that. 
> Independence does not mean do
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>everything by yourself
> >> >> all the
> >> >> >> time.
> >> >> >> >> It simply means you can
> do what
> >> >> >> >> >> >>you
> want to, when you
> >> >> want to do
> >> >> >> it, in a
> >> >> >> >> way that's efficient
> and
> >> >> >> >> >> >>works
> for you.  It
> >> >> means,
> >> >> >> basically,
> >> >> >> >> that you aren't subject
> to
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>another person's vision
> >> >> of your
> >> >> >> life, you
> >> >> >> >> do things the way you
> wish
> >> >> >> >> >> >>to do
> them.  It also
> >> >> means you
> >> >> >> do
> >> >> >> >> this without really
> making anyone
> >> >> >> >> >> >>else
> go much out of
> >> >> their way to
> >> >> >> help
> >> >> >> >> you.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>   So think of it
> >> >> this
> >> >> >> >> way.  Every store
> already has a sighted
> >> >> worker,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>most
> of those will be
> >> >> honest,
> >> >> >> almost all
> >> >> >> >> will be honest with
> other
> >> >> >> >> >> >>people
> watching.  If
> >> >> you ask
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> person "hey, what's
> this bill you're
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>handing me?" that's in
> >> >> no way
> >> >> >> compromising
> >> >> >> >> your
> independence.  Using
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>technology is better
> >> >> because it
> >> >> >> takes away
> >> >> >> >> the outside chance
> that
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>someone's trying to pull
> >> >> off some
> >> >> >> funny
> >> >> >> >> business but, without
> the
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>technology, you're still
> >> >> probably
> >> >> >> safe
> >> >> >> >> most of the time. 
> As we've
> >> >> >> >> >> >>seen
> already from other
> >> >> posts,
> >> >> >> nothing is
> >> >> >> >> fool proof.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>   But back to
> >> >> independence
> >> >> >> >> and philosophy and
> stuff.  Have you
> >> >> ever
> >> >> >> >> >> >>used a
> reader?  If you
> >> >> have,
> >> >> >> you're
> >> >> >> >> using another person,
> who's
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>chosing to do something
> >> >> they
> >> >> >> don't have to
> >> >> >> >> do; either they get
> money
> >> >> >> >> >> >>or
> they don't, but it
> >> >> works
> >> >> >> because you
> >> >> >> >> get the job done and
> you
> >> >> >> >> >> >>aren't
> forcing them to
> >> >> do it for
> >> >> >> >> you.  They chose
> to provide their
> >> >> >> >> >> >>time
> to read you
> >> >> something-you
> >> >> >> aren't
> >> >> >> >> making them do
> anything.  Have
> >> >> >> >> >> >>you
> ever used a sighted
> >> >> guide?
> >> >> >> I do,
> >> >> >> >> all the time. 
> (I'm starting to
> >> >> >> >> >> >>less
> and less just to
> >> >> keep my
> >> >> >> cane skills
> >> >> >> >> up but sometimes it's
> just
> >> >> >> >> >> >>the
> most efficient way
> >> >> to get
> >> >> >> stuff
> >> >> >> >> done.)  You can
> get somewhere
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>independently and use a
> >> >> sighted
> >> >> >> guide, as
> >> >> >> >> long as you're getting
> there
> >> >> >> >> >> >>on
> your terms and you
> >> >> could do it
> >> >> >> without
> >> >> >> >> a guide there.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>   See what I'm
> >> >> >> >> saying? 
> Independent and interdependent
> >> >> aren't
> >> >> >> >> mutually
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>exclusive.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>   Best,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>Kirt
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>On
> 6/23/11, Carly
> >> >> Mihalakis
> >> >> >> <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> 'Morning, Kurt,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> 'Guess I really blew it
> for myuy self
> >> >> with all
> >> >> >> those I'd
> >> >> >> >> say
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> off the wall
> >> >> comments,
> >> >> >> about the
> >> >> >> >> Ibill.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> Now a truth
> >> >> immerges which
> >> >> >> I failed
> >> >> >> >> to state clearly,
> before.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> 'was confused with
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> NoteTeller 2
> >> >> >> >> which, experience has
> shown me is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> unreliable, at
> >> >> best.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> Carly even the
> >> >> person
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> > showing
> >> >> them
> >> >> >> couild not
> >> >> >> >> make them work.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> > It's
> >> >> interesting
> >> >> >> however
> >> >> >> >> that folks on this List
> have found good
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> > luck
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> > with
> >> >> them.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Carwrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>That
> >> >> is your
> >> >> >> experience
> >> >> >> >> -- mine is that the
> iBill works quite
> >> >> well
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>-- and
> >> >> I think
> >> >> >> others
> >> >> >> >> have found this to be
> true too.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>Dave
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>At
> >> >> 05:08 PM
> >> >> >> 6/22/2011,
> >> >> >> >> you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>Hi,
> >> >> >> Hamberto and all
> >> >> >> >> interested folks,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>Truth be
> >> >> >> known, my
> >> >> >> >> common law husband and
> I had the I bill,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>courtesy of
> >> >> >> rehab
> >> >> >> >> but, after repeated
> attempts to make the
> >> >> thing
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>identify
> >> >> >> paper
> >> >> >> >> currency, we
> ascertained it a genuine
> >> >> piece of
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >> shit
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>and is not
> >> >> >> worth
> >> >> >> >> anything, so I submit
> that the
> >> >> manufacturers
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >> must
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>>be
> >> >> well
> >> >> >> aware of
> >> >> >> >> their having themselves
> a niche market,
> >> >> in blind
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>people and
> >> >> >> the deep
> >> >> >> >> pocketed agencies who
> tend to support
> >> >> them,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >> so
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>are
> >> >> >> totally
> >> >> >> >> exploiting it in the
> manner of any
> >> >> Capitalist
> >> >> >> aware
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>the
> >> >> >> exisstance of a
> >> >> >> >> small and needy
> marketplace.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>So, in
> >> >> >> essence,
> >> >> >> >> don't waste your's or
> rehab's  time with
> >> >> the I
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>>bill! 02:11
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