[nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes interview, Ride into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
Kirt Manwaring
kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Sat Jun 25 15:13:21 UTC 2011
Carley,
First off, I've done a bit of really light research and I was way
liberal about what I thought the cost of this would be. It's probably
going to be in the neighborhood of $100 million, so I was way off.
That'll teach me not to make outlandish statements with no proof.
But still, the point I made in my last message stands. Of course I
don't want the government to write out a check for all of us-I was
trying to point out that trying to make all the cash out there more
"blind-friendly" is not necessary. Just like we don't need government
handouts (I'm not counting SSI as a government handout because that's
money lots of us genuinely need), we don't need the government
spending $100 million redesigning currency we can already use with
pretty much no problem. Honestly, if you think you can't afford an
iBill, there's probably something you're buying with your $680 a month
that you really don't need.
Just a thought,
Kirt
On 6/25/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Good morning, Kurt,
>
> Remember Obbama's stimulus? a onetime lump sum wouldn't do
> anything. What happens when even that is GONE? How 'bout something a
> little more sustainable?
> ?
> for today,
> Car
>>Car,
>> That was two words. ;) I know I'm a jerk.
>> I still think the cost is too high. If the government is going to
>>spend millions of dollars that don't need to be spent (nothing new
>>there), I can honestly think of more ways they could do it. How a
>>bout just cut every blind person in America a check for a thousand
>>dollars? That would be cheaper than replacing all the cash out there
>>with newer bills of different size, or with tactile marks, or
>>whatever. And, honestly, I'd probably get more use out of it.
>> Best,
>>Kirt
>>
>>On 6/24/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi, Arielle,
>> >
>> > In a word it is absolutely, worth it!
>> > Yet, if people in power are reluctant to change existiing
>> > infrastructure then divices needed to discern, individual currency,
>> > ought to be FREE in the name of total equality.
>> > for today,
>> > Car
>> > :25 PM 6/24/2011, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>> >>Hi all,
>> >>I think there is a difference between having currency designed a
>> >>certain way from the get-go, and having to change what has already
>> >>been designed. So comparing India which has had identifiable currency
>> >>since it became independent with the situation in the U.S. which would
>> >>have to redesign the money from scratch is not really appropriate. I
>> >>agree that having bills be identifiable by touch is useful for many
>> >>reasons, both for the blind and the sighted. But is it worth the cost
>> >>of having to redesign what has already been created?
>> >>Arielle
>> >>
>> >>On 6/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Kirt,
>> >> > I am not sure, but I would guess that the current system of Indian
>> >> > currency
>> >> > has been in place since independence in 1947 before any vending
>> >> > machines
>> >> > or
>> >> > ATM were invented. True it is not fair for millions of sighted
>> >> > individuals
>> >> > to have to pay and adjust to accessible currency: redesigning ATM and
>> >> > vending machines, replacing the cash they already have which
>> >> > individuals
>> >> > have to do every 7 years I believe or whenever a new note comes out;
>> >> > but
>> >> > if
>> >> > we allow the fairness arguement for the sighted keep us from
>> >> > advancing
>> >> > our
>> >> > goals to create opportunities and bring greater independence for the
>> >> > blind
>> >> > we would never achieve anything. If we used the fairness arguement as
>> >> > you
>> >> > described, it is not fair for millions of businesses to be
>> >> mandated to build
>> >> > ramps or have elevaters so that hand full of persons
>> >> in wheelchair can have
>> >> > equal access, but do we live and do we want to live in a society
>> >> > where
>> >> > only
>> >> > majority have access and opportunity to life because making
>> >> > adjustments or baring cost associated to bringing the necessary
>> >> > changes
>> >> > to
>> >> > make certain aspects of life accessible is unfair to the
>> >> majority, or do we
>> >> > want a society where people are willing to adjust and bare cost so
>> >> > that
>> >> > their fellow citizens who happen to be blind or disabled can have
>> >> > equal
>> >> > opportunities and rights as them? If we take the fairness arguement,
>> >> > then
>> >> > the Americans with Disabilities ACT (ADA) is unconstitutional and
>> >> it was the
>> >> > main reason why many businesses were opposed to it. Redesigning
>> >> the currency
>> >> > may cause inconvenience at first, but like Europe it will soon be a
>> >> > part
>> >> > of
>> >> > life and an adjustment that many do not have any problems. Many
>> >> > sighted
>> >> > people have asked me why is the currency not accessible? Many
>> >> sighted people
>> >> > who I talk to about this do not seem to mind baring the cost and the
>> >> > little
>> >> > inconvenience associated with doing this in order to bring greater
>> >> > opportunity and equality to the million or so blind individuals.
>> >> >
>> >> > best
>> >> > Anmol
>> >> >
>> >> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>> >> > Perhaps
>> >> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>> >> > breeze
>> >> > among flowers.
>> >> > Hellen Keller
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- On Fri, 6/24/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw Our Eyes
>> >> >> interview,
>> >> >> Ride
>> >> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22, 8:00 pm EDT
>> >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >> Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 8:48 PM
>> >> >> Anmol,
>> >> >> I didn't say India doesn't have a lot of
>> >> >> infrastructure. I just
>> >> >> think the US, all told, has more that would need to be
>> >> >> replaced. I'd
>> >> >> be interested to know if India's currency has been of
>> >> >> different sizes
>> >> >> ever since India became in independent country in 1948.
>> >> >> Just think of it this way. How many times do
>> >> >> you see an ATM in a
>> >> >> convenience store, bank, hotel, hospital, airport or
>> >> >> supermarket? If
>> >> >> we made our currency different sizes, or added tactile
>> >> >> marks, all
>> >> >> those hundreds of thousands of ATMS would have to be
>> >> >> replaced. I'm
>> >> >> sure Europe had that problem adopting the euro, but it was
>> >> >> worth the
>> >> >> cost for most people involved. It's not fair to the
>> >> >> however many
>> >> >> million sighted Americans out there to make them replace
>> >> >> all their
>> >> >> ATMS, vending machines, cash they already have, etc.
>> >> >> But, like I
>> >> >> said, since it's going to happen anyway, I hope they pull
>> >> >> off
>> >> >> something that will work.
>> >> >> Best,
>> >> >> Kirt
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 6/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > Kirt,
>> >> >> > Actually there is a large infrastructure in India. The
>> >> >> thing is that
>> >> >> > identifiable currency has just become a part of life
>> >> >> and I don't think it
>> >> >> > was ever intended to be accessable for the blind when
>> >> >> it was designed. So
>> >> >> > why was the Indian currency designed in different
>> >> >> sizes? I am not sure, but
>> >> >> > the sighted and blind have benefited from it alike and
>> >> >> cost to do this can
>> >> >> > not be that high since there are not many resources
>> >> >> and frankly it is hard
>> >> >> > to get Indian politicians to do anything good for
>> >> >> people with disabilities
>> >> >> > is rare. Perfect example of what can be possible in
>> >> >> the US.
>> >> >> > Anmol
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>> >> >> make me sad. Perhaps
>> >> >> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>> >> >> vague, like a breeze
>> >> >> > among flowers.
>> >> >> > Hellen Keller
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --- On Fri, 6/24/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>> >> >> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> >> >> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed. June 22,
>> >> >> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >> >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>> >> >> mailing list"
>> >> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >> >> Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 7:14 PM
>> >> >> >> Anmol,
>> >> >> >> I should never say I'm leaving-people always
>> >> >> say
>> >> >> >> stuff and I can't
>> >> >> >> stay away. Here's the thing about India. As
>> >> >> >> large as the population
>> >> >> >> is (massive!), there's not near the infrastructure
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> replace. I hope
>> >> >> >> that will change as India's economy becomes more
>> >> >> and more
>> >> >> >> developed
>> >> >> >> and the middle class gets larger but, as it stands
>> >> >> now, I
>> >> >> >> think doing
>> >> >> >> this in the US would be a lot harder than in India
>> >> >> because
>> >> >> >> of all the
>> >> >> >> machinery that would need to be redone.
>> >> >> >> Best,
>> >> >> >> Kirt
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 6/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Kirt,
>> >> >> >> > The population of UK may be five times less
>> >> >> then US,
>> >> >> >> but the population of
>> >> >> >> > my country of India is 1 billion almost
>> >> >> three
>> >> >> >> times more then the US and
>> >> >> >> > still we have currency wich can be
>> >> >> identifiable by the
>> >> >> >> blind. So if India
>> >> >> >> > can make the transition without a problem,
>> >> >> then it
>> >> >> >> should not be that
>> >> >> >> > difficult for the US.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Anmol
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they
>> >> >> never
>> >> >> >> make me sad. Perhaps
>> >> >> >> > there is just a touch of yearning at times;
>> >> >> but it is
>> >> >> >> vague, like a breeze
>> >> >> >> > among flowers.
>> >> >> >> > Hellen Keller
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>> >> >> [Nfbnet-members-list] Threw
>> >> >> >> Our Eyes interview, Ride
>> >> >> >> >> into History, Race for Independence, Wed.
>> >> >> June 22,
>> >> >> >> 8:00 pm EDT
>> >> >> >> >> To: "National Association of Blind
>> >> >> Students
>> >> >> >> mailing list"
>> >> >> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >> >> >> Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 10:49 PM
>> >> >> >> >> Carley,
>> >> >> >> >> Cool! I've never been a science
>> >> >> guy. I'm
>> >> >> >> >> going to straite my brain
>> >> >> >> >> and leave the list for a couple days.
>> >> >> Enjoy,
>> >> >> >> >> everyone.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Hi, Kurt,
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > As I understand it, a muscle
>> >> >> striates when it
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> active. If
>> >> >> >> >> > therefore, a law, procedure or
>> >> >> cultural norm
>> >> >> >> striates,
>> >> >> >> >> it flexes its
>> >> >> >> >> > muscle, thus changing states.
>> >> >> >> >> > Have fun, Kurt!
>> >> >> >> >> > Car23/2011, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>Carly,
>> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not exactly sure what
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> striation is. The NFBwas opposed to
>> >> >> >> >> >>such a measure, and I think they
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> right to be
>> >> >> >> >> against it for
>> >> >> >> >> >>reasons I've already mentioned.
>> >> >> But,
>> >> >> >> after
>> >> >> >> >> the federal court judge
>> >> >> >> >> >>decided to side with the ACB, the
>> >> >> NFB
>> >> >> >> decided,
>> >> >> >> >> rightly, that it may as
>> >> >> >> >> >>well be a part of the process
>> >> >> since it was
>> >> >> >> going to
>> >> >> >> >> happen anyway. I
>> >> >> >> >> >>don't really see the harm in
>> >> >> this, do
>> >> >> >> you?
>> >> >> >> >> >> Best,
>> >> >> >> >> >>Kirt
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>On 6/23/11, Carly Mihalakis
>> >> >> <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Good morning, Kirt,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > 'Seems to
>> >> >> >> >> me though, that one ought to be able to
>> >> >> determine
>> >> >> >> >> >> > shades of their own
>> >> >> reality, which
>> >> >> >> is how I
>> >> >> >> >> understand the Federation
>> >> >> >> >> >> > wants its members, to
>> >> >> conduct
>> >> >> >> themselves, in
>> >> >> >> >> the world. Yet, beyond
>> >> >> >> >> >> > the elaborate striations
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> existing system
>> >> >> >> >> will need to experience,
>> >> >> >> >> >> > if such a change were to be
>> >> >> made,
>> >> >> >> how come
>> >> >> >> >> the Federation
>> >> >> >> >> >> > didn't speak up when it
>> >> >> was asked,
>> >> >> >> by
>> >> >> >> >> the Mint last time that entity
>> >> >> >> >> >> > produced curency?
>> >> >> >> >> >> > :
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>Carly,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> We all make
>> >> >> >> >> mistakes. No worries.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Now, just for the
>> >> >> heck
>> >> >> >> >> of it, I'd like to address a point I
>> >> >> think
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>you made earlier. (I'm
>> >> >> only
>> >> >> >> >> guessing, because my gmail wouldn't read
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>the whole message to
>> >> >> me) But I
>> >> >> >> think
>> >> >> >> >> you said something like this.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>"The federation is kind
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> hypocritical
>> >> >> >> >> because they rap ad noseum
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>about independence but
>> >> >> are stuck
>> >> >> >> relying
>> >> >> >> >> on sighted people to help
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>them-depending on
>> >> >> another person
>> >> >> >> isn't
>> >> >> >> >> independence at all!" If I'm
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>off the mark, I'm sorry,
>> >> >> but I
>> >> >> >> can see you
>> >> >> >> >> saying something like that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>so it's just my guess of
>> >> >> what you
>> >> >> >> said
>> >> >> >> >> from the little bit gmail was
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>able to read me.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Here's the thing
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> >> >> that. Independence does not mean do
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>everything by yourself
>> >> >> all the
>> >> >> >> time.
>> >> >> >> >> It simply means you can do what
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>you want to, when you
>> >> >> want to do
>> >> >> >> it, in a
>> >> >> >> >> way that's efficient and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>works for you. It
>> >> >> means,
>> >> >> >> basically,
>> >> >> >> >> that you aren't subject to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>another person's vision
>> >> >> of your
>> >> >> >> life, you
>> >> >> >> >> do things the way you wish
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>to do them. It also
>> >> >> means you
>> >> >> >> do
>> >> >> >> >> this without really making anyone
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>else go much out of
>> >> >> their way to
>> >> >> >> help
>> >> >> >> >> you.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> So think of it
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> >> >> way. Every store already has a sighted
>> >> >> worker,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>most of those will be
>> >> >> honest,
>> >> >> >> almost all
>> >> >> >> >> will be honest with other
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>people watching. If
>> >> >> you ask
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> person "hey, what's this bill you're
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>handing me?" that's in
>> >> >> no way
>> >> >> >> compromising
>> >> >> >> >> your independence. Using
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>technology is better
>> >> >> because it
>> >> >> >> takes away
>> >> >> >> >> the outside chance that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>someone's trying to pull
>> >> >> off some
>> >> >> >> funny
>> >> >> >> >> business but, without the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>technology, you're still
>> >> >> probably
>> >> >> >> safe
>> >> >> >> >> most of the time. As we've
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>seen already from other
>> >> >> posts,
>> >> >> >> nothing is
>> >> >> >> >> fool proof.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> But back to
>> >> >> independence
>> >> >> >> >> and philosophy and stuff. Have you
>> >> >> ever
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>used a reader? If you
>> >> >> have,
>> >> >> >> you're
>> >> >> >> >> using another person, who's
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>chosing to do something
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> don't have to
>> >> >> >> >> do; either they get money
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>or they don't, but it
>> >> >> works
>> >> >> >> because you
>> >> >> >> >> get the job done and you
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>aren't forcing them to
>> >> >> do it for
>> >> >> >> >> you. They chose to provide their
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>time to read you
>> >> >> something-you
>> >> >> >> aren't
>> >> >> >> >> making them do anything. Have
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>you ever used a sighted
>> >> >> guide?
>> >> >> >> I do,
>> >> >> >> >> all the time. (I'm starting to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>less and less just to
>> >> >> keep my
>> >> >> >> cane skills
>> >> >> >> >> up but sometimes it's just
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>the most efficient way
>> >> >> to get
>> >> >> >> stuff
>> >> >> >> >> done.) You can get somewhere
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>independently and use a
>> >> >> sighted
>> >> >> >> guide, as
>> >> >> >> >> long as you're getting there
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>on your terms and you
>> >> >> could do it
>> >> >> >> without
>> >> >> >> >> a guide there.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> See what I'm
>> >> >> >> >> saying? Independent and interdependent
>> >> >> aren't
>> >> >> >> >> mutually
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>exclusive.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>Kirt
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>On 6/23/11, Carly
>> >> >> Mihalakis
>> >> >> >> <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 'Morning, Kurt,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> 'Guess I really blew it for myuy self
>> >> >> with all
>> >> >> >> those I'd
>> >> >> >> >> say
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > off the wall
>> >> >> comments,
>> >> >> >> about the
>> >> >> >> >> Ibill.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Now a truth
>> >> >> immerges which
>> >> >> >> I failed
>> >> >> >> >> to state clearly, before.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 'was confused with
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> NoteTeller 2
>> >> >> >> >> which, experience has shown me is
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > unreliable, at
>> >> >> best.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Carly even the
>> >> >> person
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > showing
>> >> >> them
>> >> >> >> couild not
>> >> >> >> >> make them work.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It's
>> >> >> interesting
>> >> >> >> however
>> >> >> >> >> that folks on this List have found good
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > luck
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > with
>> >> >> them.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> Carwrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>That
>> >> >> is your
>> >> >> >> experience
>> >> >> >> >> -- mine is that the iBill works quite
>> >> >> well
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- and
>> >> >> I think
>> >> >> >> others
>> >> >> >> >> have found this to be true too.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Dave
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>At
>> >> >> 05:08 PM
>> >> >> >> 6/22/2011,
>> >> >> >> >> you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Hi,
>> >> >> >> Hamberto and all
>> >> >> >> >> interested folks,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Truth be
>> >> >> >> known, my
>> >> >> >> >> common law husband and I had the I bill,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>courtesy of
>> >> >> >> rehab
>> >> >> >> >> but, after repeated attempts to make the
>> >> >> thing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>identify
>> >> >> >> paper
>> >> >> >> >> currency, we ascertained it a genuine
>> >> >> piece of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> shit
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>and is not
>> >> >> >> worth
>> >> >> >> >> anything, so I submit that the
>> >> >> manufacturers
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> must
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>be
>> >> >> well
>> >> >> >> aware of
>> >> >> >> >> their having themselves a niche market,
>> >> >> in blind
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>people and
>> >> >> >> the deep
>> >> >> >> >> pocketed agencies who tend to support
>> >> >> them,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> so
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>are
>> >> >> >> totally
>> >> >> >> >> exploiting it in the manner of any
>> >> >> Capitalist
>> >> >> >> aware
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>the
>> >> >> >> exisstance of a
>> >> >> >> >> small and needy marketplace.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>So, in
>> >> >> >> essence,
>> >> >> >> >> don't waste your's or rehab's time with
>> >> >> the I
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>bill! 02:11
>> >> >> >> PM
>> >> >> >> >> 6/22/2011, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>Hello,
>> >> >> >> but what
>> >> >> >> >> happens if I have a bill in my hand and I
>> >> >> want
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> know
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> what
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>it is,
>> >> >> >> but there
>> >> >> >> >> is not a single sighted soul to tell me
>> >> >> what it
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> is? I
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> know
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>is a
>> >> >> >> free
>> >> >> >> >> alternative but, is it truly worth it?
>> >> >> And, what
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> sighted
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>person
>> >> >> >> lies
>> >> >> >> >> about the amount of money that is on the
>> >> >> bill?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>I would
>> >> >> >> probably
>> >> >> >> >> support ideas like the KNFB reader and
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> iBill
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> identifier
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>if they
>> >> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> >> even cheaper. If they were so, I would
>> >> >> buy one or
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> other,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>but so
>> >> >> >> far, I
>> >> >> >> >> can not afford either one.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
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