[nabs-l] Culture dialogue
Bridgit Pollpeter
bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Mon Mar 14 18:15:18 UTC 2011
Kirt,
I was including some sarcastic discussion too, but it also is making a
point, as you did as well.
I agree that community is a much better word to use here.
No, culture is not specific to a geographic location-- though it can be,
but what we are dialoguing here is different than culture even with
deviations from a technical definition.
For me, I can accept community-- though I still feel it brings
conotations implying a separation-- but it defines an organization like
the NFB better than culture.
Signing off on this topic, I enjoy the lively discussion, and I am glad
we all bring an individual interpretation.
Bridgit
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:09:33 -0600
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
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Bridget,
I was obviously being a little bit sarcastic, but I think it makes
perfect sense. Culture isn't necessarily geographical. Lots of the
times it isn't. From Jedi's definition, which makes sense to me,
we're all part of all sorts of cultures. Maybe a better word for what
I'm thinking of, to avoid confusion, is "communities". We're both
part of the blind community. I'm part of the Mormon community (which
isn't really as geographically centered as lots of people think it
is), you're part of a community of writers, all of us on this list are
part of a community of students...most of us, anyway. The list goes
on and on and on ad noseum. See what I'm saying?
Best,
Kirt
On 3/13/11, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kirt,
>
> But in the context of what you guys are saying, it doesn't really make
> sense.
>
> If merely sharing common interest or goals makes us a culture, then
yes,
> religions and sports and liking one sex over another are a culture.
We
> do not share all aspects of life with others that hold these interest
> though.
>
> Certain religions like Mormonism may be argued to be its own culture,
> but in general, take Christianity or contemporary western Judiasm,
these
> religions are practiced around the world so what does that mean for
the
> argument of culture? And for that matter, blind people are not unique
> to North America, we live in all parts of the world and we are
involved
> in true aspects of culture-- customs and practices, languages, belief
> systems, artifacts, etc. So blindness only seems to set us a part
from
> others in terms of sensory loss, but not as containing attributes
> specific to the blind only.
>
> And (yes, I know it was a joke) but heterosexuals and homosexuals may
> not share attraction to gender in common, but they do share the same
> need for love and companionship. They experience all the same
feelings,
> just for different genders.
>
> This is how it is for the blind. I don't feel any different than I
did
> before blindness even though society may hold certain views I disagree
> with. Some people are still racist, does this mean black people are
not
> a part of American culture because some people are ignorant?
>
> I don't do different things from sighted people I know, though I may
use
> different tools to do some things. I still experience life like my
> family and friends, and often we share common interest.
>
> I do believe this discussion comes down to semantics, and, I say this
> respectively, culture is not the proper word to be used. I believe
> whole-heartedly in the core of the NFB, but I do not gain a
> self-awareness or self identity from the organization or my blindness.
> How can we say blindness is just a characteristic, but in the same
> breath that we are a unique culture within already established culture
> where we all live? I presume none of us live in Federation
communities,
> and no, training centers do not count because it is not permanent.
> *smile*
>
> We may agree to disagree, and that is okay. Does this mean we are not
a
> part of the same culture? But we are Federationist! LOL I have yet
to
> hear a valid argument-- for me-- that convinces me the NFB is a unique
> culture, and that blindness itself is a different identity.
>
> I will make this really controversial, this is why some argue (and
even
> those among race-based groups) that no such thing as a black culture
> exist. Or for that matter, any racial group born in a particular
> country. Most my black friends do not identify as African -American
> because it implies that they were born in Africa, and they were not.
I
> would argue a race has more complicated threads to pull into a
> discussion like this, but can we truly define ourselves based on a
> single attribute? Color, gender, disability?
>
> A culture must include various elements, and I fail to see how
> blindness, inspite of how you view the disability itself, constructs
us
> as people. We say we make decisions or experience the world
> differently, but I have not witnessed this in my own life. I mean, if
> some aspect of me considered different, or at times, inferior,
suddenly
> constitutes a culture, then as a woman, I belong to the culture of
> women. It does sound silly to me. *smile*
>
> Bridgit
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:33:42 -0600
> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
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> Bridget,
> You know...I'm starting to think Jedi might be right. Culture
doesn't
> mean lifestyle...it's more like community. So I'm part of the Mormon
> culture and blind culture and (cause I'm a basketball junkie and
writing
> in a selection Sunday comercial break) a part of the basketball
culture.
> I'm part of the Interfaith dialogue culture and the Mountain Dew
culture
> (cause that drink's just amazing)...I'm part of the facebook
enthusiasts
> culture and the fantasy book reading culture. Heck...I like girls,
I'm
> part of the heterosexual culture. But man I think I'm oversimplifying
> this...but that's how I see the blindness community- an interest that
> matters a good deal more than mountain dew and basketball, but not
> nearly as much as girls, my faith, or interfaith dialogue. So, if all
> those things are cultures, I guess I'm part of the "nfb culture", too.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 3/13/11, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Culture is based on a civilization containing its own religion,
>> customs, beliefs, language and code of ethics. This does not define
>> an organization like the NFB or ACB. Yes, we have a philosophy about
>> blindness itself, but this "philosophy" is strictly about how one
>> lives as a blind person in one's own established culture.
>>
>> In fact, there is information on the NFB's website regarding this
very
>
>> topic, and the same point is made-- the NFB is not a culture or even
>> sub-culture.
>>
>> Any values or beliefs we hold are only united by our blindness, but
if
>
>> we were to look at each individual, we would find these concepts
vary.
>
>> Organizations like the NFB contain people coming from all
>> socio-economic backgrounds with differing views on religion and
belief
>
>> systems.
>>
>> And in anthropological and historical terms, we certainly do not have
>> a common language unique to us nor do we have customs specific to our
>> group.
>>
>> Because we mostly agree on what blindness means-- a minor disability
>> that allows us to achieve equal success-- this does not mean we
create
>
>> a culture. We use a cane or dog to navigate, but this is our
>> equivalence to using eyes; many of us use Braille, but it is merely a
>> tactile of the language already used by society at large; we have
>> views about how blind people should live and be treated, but these
are
>
>> based on our concepts of disability, and they are based on general
>> rules of how people in general should be treated.
>>
>> So I believe using the word culture is a misuse of the word. In
fact,
>
>> saying that the NFB is its own culture places a distinction between
us
>
>> and those who are not us which creates a divide. We live, work and
>> play in this society so our culture is the one adopted by our
>> civilization and the group (family and friends) we associate
ourselves
>
>> with.
>>
>> By your argument, the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are their own
culture
>
>> too, or The Daughters of the American Revolution or PETA. Because we
>> have common interest and choose to organize to promote our common
>> interest and goals, does not mean we have developed a culture.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:06:53 -0500
>> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Future of the NFB
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>> Yes, you are missing the mark. A culture has little to do with
whether
>
>> or not you believe you can achieve within the greater society, unless
>> that is one of the questions that founds your culture as it is with
>> ours.
>>
>> The blind community actually has at least four cultures that I can
>> identify: the NFB, the ACB, the unaffiliated consumer base, and the
>> unaffiliated professional base. Professionals affiliated with one of
>> the organizations are likely to build their professional values on
the
>
>> foundation of their affiliation's values. The unaffiliated
>> professionals (and consumers) will have their own cultures, but that
>> could be considered a major cultural grouping.
>>
>> A culture is a group of individuals sharing similar beliefs regarding
>> human nature, relationships between time and space, traditions,
>> values, etc. Just because one individual belongs to one culture, that
>> does not mean that the same individual cannot belong to other
cultures
>
>> concurrently; this principle is called intersectionality. It is true
>> that an individual can belong to multiple cultural groups, but
>> strongly identify with some of their cultural markers over others for
>> just about any reason under the sun.
>>
>> I would be happy to argue the NFB as a culture, but that would take
>> some time and a lot of analysis. And frankly, I'm just not up to the
>> task at the moment. The bottom line is that, anthropologically
>> speaking, the NFB is a culture and that you can certainly belong to
>> such a culture and maintain your cultural identity outside of the NFB
>> without compromising any and all of your cultural identities. Does
>> that make sense? The disability community also has multiple cultures,
>> and these may or may not have anything to do with a specific
>> disability, but may have more to do with how disability is defined.
>> There are some disability cultures that the NFB would most certainly
>> not identify with, others with which we would identify with some, and
>> others with which we share much in common in terms of our core values
>> related to the role of disability in our lives.
>>
>> Respectfully submitted
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Jedi,
>>> I'm still not sold on the idea of a "disability
>>> culture."...although, I think in the context of working with other
>>> disability groups with a similar mindset to us, it makes sense.
But,
>
>>> for me, the point of the NFB is empowering us to be part of whatever
>>> culture we feel like with blindness being as minimal a factor as
>>> possible. I recognize that others have different interpretations of
>>> how to apply NFB philosophy, but that's what it means to
>>> me...blindness will not keep me from any of my goals in the world,
>>> even though it places some limits in the way I have to overcome. If
>>> part of assessing our future is examining what NFB philosophy means
>>> to each of us, that's probably a good place for me to start.
>>> Thoughts, anyone? Am I missing the mark?
>>> Best,
>>> Kirt
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:20:14 -0600
> From: Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS March Bulletin!
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> Please find the bulletin below and the minutes from the February board
> meeting attached.
>
> Arielle
>
> National Association of Blind Students
> >From the Desk of the President
> March 13, 2011
>
> In this bulletin:
> 1. Student Slate Coming Soon!
> 2. Next NABS Conference Call March 27
> 3. Last Chance to Apply for NFB Scholarships!
> 4. Start Planning for NFB National Convention!
> 5. State Division Announcements
> Student Slate Coming Soon:
> The spring 2011 issue of the Student Slate, our quarterly
> newsletter, should be released this week, so look for it in your email
> inboxes! This issue of the Student Slate will feature a report on the
> 2011 Washington Seminar, as well as several inspiring and informative
> articles written by blind students. Stay tuned!
>
> Next NABS Conference Call March 27:
> Each month, the NABS membership committee organizes a conference
> call discussion for blind students, prospective students, and parents
> and teachers of blind children. This month, on Sunday, March 27, we
will
> be talking about the independence training programs at our three NFB
> training centers in Colorado, Louisiana, and Minnesota. Come to learn
> about these training programs, what you can gain from them and how to
> work with your state voc rehab agency to get there. Stay tuned for a
> separate announcement about this conference call. Can?t make it?
Listen
> to the recording, as well as recordings of past conference calls, at
> www.nabslinkaudio.org .
>
> Last Chance to Apply for NFB National Scholarships:
> Each year, the National Federation of the Blind gives thirty
> scholarships to blind students, ranging in value from $3000 to $12000.
> The deadline to apply for this year?s scholarship competition is
> Thursday, March 31. To learn about the program and fill out an
> application, go to www.nfb.org/scholarships .
>
> Start Planning for NFB National Convention!
> This year, the NFB national convention will be in Orlando,
> Florida, from Sunday, July 3, through Friday, July 8. You can reserve
a
> room at our hotel, the Rosen Shingle Creek Resort, by calling
> 866-996-6338. Depending on current availability, you may be able to
> extend your stay a few nights after the convention to explore the
theme
> parks in Orlando, and still take advantage of our convention room
rates:
> $63 for singles, doubles, and twins, and $67 for triples and quads,
plus
> tax.
> Many NFB local chapters and state affiliates offer funding to
> help students attend national conventions. Contact your chapter or
state
> president for details.
> You will see information about student/youth activities in
> upcoming NABS bulletins. Hope to see all of you in July!
>
> Division Announcements:
> >From Nebraska:
> The Nebraska Association of Blind Students (NABS) Presents The 2011
> Student Seminar: Puzzle it Out- Collecting the Pieces of Success!
>
> What: It?s time for the Third Annual NABS student Seminar. We have
> gone beyond the horizons of our dreams and dived into the depths of
our
> potential and now we are putting the puzzle pieces of our future
> together! This is an opportunity to learn the skills that can help
you,
> your child or your student succeed, as well as network with fellow
blind
> students, parents and teachers across Nebraska, and of course have
fun!!
> When: The seminar begins at 6:00 PM on Friday, March 25, and ends
> Sunday, March 27 at 11:00 AM, so don?t worry about missing any class!
> Where: Doubletree Guest Suites
> 7270 Cedar St.
> Omaha, NE, 68124
>
> Who: Blind Students of all ages, and the parents and teachers who want
> to see them succeed.
>
> Cost: The $20 registration fee will cover the cost of both your room
and
> meals for the duration of the seminar.
>
>
>
> Scholarships are available for participants who are unable to cover
the
> $20 registration. Preference will be given to those who request
> assistance first. Contact Karen Anderson (402-319-7645) if
> interested.
> >From North Carolina:
> The North Carolina Association of Blind Students is having its third
> annual student seminar on March 19th in Raleigh, NC. This event
> continues to grow. We launched a major recruitment initiative, where
we
> called and emailed every one of the 128 institutions of higher
education
> in our state, every services for the blind employee, and every teacher
> of the visually impaired in our state.
> Last year, we experimented with a small technology fair that
> consisted of impromptu exhibits run by our leaders and our state
> affiliate president. This year, we will have a full exhibit hall with
> 28 exhibits, including guide dog schools, adaptive recreation
programs,
> adaptive technology, employment opportunities, blindness skill
training
> centers, and more. Our exhibit hall will include agencies from many
> states, including California, New York, Minnesota, Florida, Kansas,
> Michigan, and others. We are also having all-day literature tables
for
> those agencies that were not able to send representatives. We charged
> no fee for the exhibit hall and a creative new type of fee for the
> literature tables. We asked all agencies wanting to participate in
the
> literature tables to provide us with at least one door prize to
> distribute on their behalf. This gives them easy advertising and us
> more door prizes. We will be having speakers in the morning to get
> attendees pumped up with the fact that blind people can do anything.
> Then, we?ll send them to the exhibit hall, followed by an hour for
lunch
> (catered as a donation from Whole Foods Market). In the afternoon, we
> will have more speakers and 3 periods of breakout sessions. The last
45
> minutes of our day will include speakers about different NFB events,
> such as the national convention, Washington Seminar, and the Blind
> Driver Challenge, to get attendees excited about the NFB. Finally, we
> will invite reflections from attendees and ask them to step up if they
> want to help plan a summer event. I will leave you with two pieces of
> advice from my experience in planning the seminar:
> 1. If you plan to have an exhibit hall, make sure that your seminar
> does not overlap with CSUN or any other major blindness event that
will
> steal many of the smaller agencies? representatives.
> 2. Don?t be afraid to ask your state affiliate for help. There are
> so
> many people in our state affiliate who are helping us make this
seminar
> great. The Federation supports its future.
> >From California:
> Announcing the 2011 California Chemistry Camp for Blind High School
> Students!
>
> Would you like to learn how blind people tackle the
very
> visual subject of organic chemistry successfully? Do you have a
general
> love for science? Do you want to learn how you can do chemistry as a
> blind person just as successfully as your sighted peers? Are you
> interested in how blind professionals use science in their careers
every
> day? Then the 2011 California Chemistry Camp is for you!
> Come join the National Federation of the Blind of
> California, the California Association of Blind Students, the
Lighthouse
> for the Blind of San Francisco, the University of California, Davis
> chemistry department, and up to twelve blind and low-vision high
school
> students for an Educational, exciting, and Fun-Filled weekend of
> science!
>
> When: Friday, April 29 through Sunday, May 1, 2011.
> Where: Enchanted Hills Camp near Napa, California.
> Who: Up to twelve blind high school students ages 14-18 will be
selected
> to participate.
> Cost: There is no cost to apply for the program. The National
> Federation of the Blind of California, the California association of
> Blind Students, and the Lighthouse for the Blind of San Francisco are
> underwriting the camp. Once accepted, however, donations from students
> or parents to the National Federation of the Blind of California would
> be most appreciated to off-set the expenses associated with the
program.
>
> During this exciting and busy 3-day experience,
students
> will get to learn how blind people use chemistry in their careers,
will
> explore techniques used by blind people to make chemistry accessible,
> perform hands-on accessible chemistry experiments, apply the chemistry
> they learned to some basic cooking, see the chemistry they learned
> turned into action with an exhilarating magic show, and talk with
blind
> scientists who use science in their professional careers. The students
> will also be able to participate in recreational activities possibly
> including swimming and the martial art of Judo. Note that students
need
> not only love science to apply. This will be a learning experience for
> all blind people!
>
> To fill out the application, go to:
> www.sixdots.org
> and follow the link on the main page to the application form.
>
> We hope to see you at camp! If you have questions, please contact:
Henry
> Wedler Program Coordinator hobywedler at gmail.com
>
>
>
> --
> Arielle Silverman
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> Phone: 602-502-2255
> Email:
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:28:41 -0400
> From: Brianna Scerenscko <bfs1206 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SAT testing
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> I have taken it 4 times. I hope you've regestered for accomodations. I
> wish you the best of luck.
>
> On 3/13/11, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Humberto,
>> Best of luck to you! Everyone always makes the SAT out to be worse
>> than it is. I found it to be a rather long process, but on the whole,
>> it was bearable. The diagrams for the math portion were clean and
>> concise and (in some cases), better than those in my math textbook!
>> All that said, if you don't get the score you're looking for, it may
>> not be you. It may be that you are taking a test which takes you
>> longer than your sighted peers. I have taken both the SAT and the SAT
>> 2. Honestly, the SAT 2 was more difficult, but that's another story.
>> Just take your time, read the questions carefully, and do your best.
>> Please let me know if I can be of any more help to you. Patrick
Molloy
>>
>> On 3/13/11, humberto <humbertoa5369 at netzero.net> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> Sorry to interrupt the other discussions, they are very interesting
>>> in fact. But I have a question: Has anyone taken the SAT college
>>> entrance examination to enter into college or scholarships? If yes,
>>> tell me any experiences you've had with this test. If not, please
>>> wish me luck, because well, I'm going to take the SAT test tomorrow!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> humberto
>>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:29:19 -0400
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SAT testing
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> Humberto,
> I took the SAT before college but its changed since then. So they may
> not
> have the analogies section they used to have. Other parts are about
> vocabulary and reading comprehension. Of course I did badly on the
math
> part
> as that is my weakest subject.
> These are my tips. If you are a good multiple choice test taker,
apply
> some
> of the principles you do for regular tests.
>
> ? Read directions and sample questions carefully.
> ? As with other multiple choice tests, eliminate obvious wrong
> answers;
> then pick the est one.
> ? If there is fill in the blank, read the sentence with the word
> choices
> you selected and see if it makes sense.
> ? Don?t ponder on a question too long since you do not have all
day;
> come
> back to questions you don?t know if you have time.
> ? This tip may not work if you are taking the exam tomorrow, but if
> you
> retake it, practice/study ahead of time. Practice analogies. Know
> synomyms
> and antonyms for words. Stududy with a friend if you can find some
test
> prep
> material.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brianna Scerenscko
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SAT testing
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> I have taken it 4 times. I hope you've regestered for accomodations. I
> wish you the best of luck.
>
> On 3/13/11, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Humberto,
>> Best of luck to you! Everyone always makes the SAT out to be worse
>> than it is. I found it to be a rather long process, but on the whole,
>> it was bearable. The diagrams for the math portion were clean and
>> concise and (in some cases), better than those in my math textbook!
>> All that said, if you don't get the score you're looking for, it may
>> not be you. It may be that you are taking a test which takes you
>> longer than your sighted peers. I have taken both the SAT and the SAT
>> 2. Honestly, the SAT 2 was more difficult, but that's another story.
>> Just take your time, read the questions carefully, and do your best.
>> Please let me know if I can be of any more help to you. Patrick
Molloy
>>
>> On 3/13/11, humberto <humbertoa5369 at netzero.net> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> Sorry to interrupt the other discussions, they are very interesting
>>> in fact. But I have a question: Has anyone taken the SAT college
>>> entrance examination to enter into college or scholarships? If yes,
>>> tell me any experiences you've had with this test. If not, please
>>> wish me luck, because well, I'm going to take the SAT test tomorrow!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> humberto
>>>
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> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:30:44 -0400
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> Briana,
> You took it four times! Wow! I did it twice. I also did the pre SAT
for
>
> practice.
> What sections does it test and what format? I hear they added a essay
> section. If so, how did you write your essay?
> How long was it supposed to be?
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brianna Scerenscko
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SAT testing
>
> I have taken it 4 times. I hope you've regestered for accomodations. I
> wish you the best of luck.
>
> On 3/13/11, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Humberto,
>> Best of luck to you! Everyone always makes the SAT out to be worse
>> than it is. I found it to be a rather long process, but on the whole,
>> it was bearable. The diagrams for the math portion were clean and
>> concise and (in some cases), better than those in my math textbook!
>> All that said, if you don't get the score you're looking for, it may
>> not be you. It may be that you are taking a test which takes you
>> longer than your sighted peers. I have taken both the SAT and the SAT
>> 2. Honestly, the SAT 2 was more difficult, but that's another story.
>> Just take your time, read the questions carefully, and do your best.
>> Please let me know if I can be of any more help to you. Patrick
Molloy
>>
>> On 3/13/11, humberto <humbertoa5369 at netzero.net> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> Sorry to interrupt the other discussions, they are very interesting
>>> in fact. But I have a question: Has anyone taken the SAT college
>>> entrance examination to enter into college or scholarships? If yes,
>>> tell me any experiences you've had with this test. If not, please
>>> wish me luck, because well, I'm going to take the SAT test tomorrow!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> humberto
>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:58:22 -0700
> From: humberto <humbertoa5369 at netzero.net>
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> Yes, I registered to have accommodations for the test.
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: Brianna Scerenscko <bfs1206 at gmail.com
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:28:41 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SAT testing
>
>>I have taken it 4 times. I hope you've regestered for
> accomodations. I
>>wish you the best of luck.
>
>>On 3/13/11, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Humberto,
>>> Best of luck to you! Everyone always makes the SAT out to be
> worse
>>> than it is. I found it to be a rather long process, but on the
> whole,
>>> it was bearable. The diagrams for the math portion were clean
> and
>>> concise and (in some cases), better than those in my math
> textbook!
>>> All that said, if you don't get the score you're looking for, it
> may
>>> not be you. It may be that you are taking a test which takes
> you
>>> longer than your sighted peers. I have taken both the SAT and
> the SAT
>>> 2. Honestly, the SAT 2 was more difficult, but that's another
> story.
>>> Just take your time, read the questions carefully, and do your
> best.
>>> Please let me know if I can be of any more help to you. Patrick
>>> Molloy
>
>>> On 3/13/11, humberto <humbertoa5369 at netzero.net> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Sorry to interrupt the other discussions, they are very interesting
>>>> in fact. But I have a question: Has anyone taken the SAT college
>>>> entrance examination to enter into college or scholarships? If yes,
>>>> tell me any experiences you've had with this test. If not, please
>>>> wish me luck, because well, I'm going to take the SAT test
tomorrow!
>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> humberto
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:05:09 -0500
> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com>
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> I wouldn't make that generalization about all people with multiple
> disabilities. I would submit that for some portion of the population,
> sheltered employment may offer a meaningful contribution to quality of
> life, such as the opportunity to express agency or self-determination
by
> earning a wage. I don't think those opportunities would be available
in
> a competitive employment environment. I would love to be wrong about
> this. Please share any alternative solutions you know of.
>
> -Greg
>
> On Mar 12, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Jedi wrote:
>
>> Ah, but then don't we assume that multi-disabled persons do better in
>> sheltered shops more than in "the real world?" Something to think
>> about.
>>
>> Respectfully Submitted
>>
>> Original message:
>>> For example, what if we pushed for rehab agencies to shut down
>>> sheltered workshops because many blind people were placed there
>>> wrongfully. What happens to the people with multiple disabilities,
>>> which may include blindness, whose lives may have been better from
>>> working at these workshops?
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2011, at 8:00 PM, Brice Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Kirt,
>>
>>>> While I think everyone can agree with your message in principle,
>>>> reality and common sense tell us it's not always so easy.
>>
>>>> Advocacy and nonprofit organizations must, above all, align their
>>>> resources and programs with their mission and beliefs. Our
>>>> organizations purpose states that we "Help blind persons achieve
>>>> self-confidence and self-respect and to act as a vehicle for
>>>> collective self-expression by the blind." It's great if we can help
>>>> people with additional disabilities in this framework without
>>>> compromising our own beliefs. Unfortunately, that cannot always
>>>> happen.
>>
>>>> Certainly we must embrace diversity and balance the common good
with
>
>>>> our own individual interest. But, our legislation and advocacy
speak
>
>>>> directly, often exclusively, to blind people in America. What do we
>>>> do when these are not always compatible, and what should we do in
>>>> the future if we want to stay relevant to Americans and on the
>>>> cutting-edge?
>>
>>>> As Darian has said, there are no easy answers. Still, it's a
>>>> question that we need to consider as we move forward.
>>
>>>> Brice
>>
>>>> On 3/7/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Darian, George, Brice, Joshua, Marsha and all,
>>>>> I would hope that us as blind people wouldn't judge those with
>>>>> other disabilities. We understand what it's like to be judged,
>>>>> doubted and ignored. Would we want any of our multi-disabled
>>>>> friends, especially within our organizations, to feel that same
>>>>> judgment? In that regard, we seem to share an eary resemblence to
>>>>> the sighted public so many of us love complaining about. True
other
>
>>>>> disabilities doubtless pose challenges. So does blindness, and we
>>>>> overcome those inconveniences as best we know how. Why shun or
>>>>> belittle someone whose other disabilities make it impossible, or
at
>
>>>>> least more difficult than practical, to use the same techniques we
>>>>> do? Our alternative techniques should never be seen as a one size
>>>>> fits all kind of system. Because others, and I'm talking about
>>>>> people like Marsha who have disabilities in adition to blindness,
>>>>> may use a different approach. I'm disappointed in anyone who
>>>>> thinks their way works for everyone. As Batman said, "it's not
who
>
>>>>> we are that defines us. It's what we do." So let's all help each
>>>>> other to do the best we can with all our various challenges and
>>>>> disabilities, not just blindness. Best,
>>>>> Kirt
>>
>>>>> On 3/7/11, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>> I think in that regard we have the same issue as the sighted.
>>
>>>>>> Just as some sighted judge us on our sight, or lack thereof, I
>>>>>> think we as the "vanila blind" to use your words, have a very
>>>>>> similar issue.
>>
>>>>>> Jorge
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> On Mar 7, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> This is a very interesting question. Lets take those of us who
>>>>>>> are hearing impaired and blind. Now blindness is my primary
>>>>>>> disability, but I am hard of
>>>>>>> hearing. Yes we have a deafblind division, but is it promoted as
> much as
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> the parents, or the students? No, not at all. Are these
> disabilities any
>>>>>>> less than our blindness? No, not at all. But then my question is
> that why
>>>>>>> are those of us who are hard of hearing, deaf, hearing impaired,
> or
>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>> you want to call it, second class to those vanilla blind persons
> in the
>>>>>>> NFB?
>>>>>>> Why are those vanilla blind people so quick to judge those of us
> who
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> do things in the same as everyone else?Its the judgement of
> people, that
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> kept some away from the NFB. I feel like a broken record in this
> matter.
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> frankly blind people are very quick to judge others who are
blind
> for
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> abilities or the lack of skills. And its those same people who
> judge
>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>> for the additional disabilities they may have.
>>
>>>>>>> Just my two cents,
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brice Smith
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 7:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Future of the NFB
>>
>>>>>>> I spoke to one of my old VI teachers last week who gave me some
>>>>>>> interesting observations to consider. At least from the
>>>>>>> perspective of this professional, more and more students who are
>>>>>>> blind often have multiple disabilities. She suspects that
medical
>
>>>>>>> advancements have made it so that children who previously did
not
>
>>>>>>> survive are now living longer lives, but often with more
>>>>>>> profound impairments. She notes that it is a "rare treat" for VI
>>>>>>> professionals to work with students who are simply visually
>>>>>>> impaired. Please understand that I do not have any hard data or
>>>>>>> research to back up any of these observations.
>>
>>>>>>> I realize the NFB respects and values other disabilities. there
>>>>>>> are many divisions within the NFB including the Diabetes Action
>>>>>>> Network. However, I think most people can agree that our
>>>>>>> organization is concerned primarily with blindness and not other
>>>>>>> physical or mental disabilities.
>>
>>>>>>> This is not meant as a criticism of the NFB. Advocacy
>>>>>>> organizations simply cannot be everything to everyone, and I
>>>>>>> think it is a testament to our strength that we gather thousands
>>>>>>> of blind people and raise a unified voice that might otherwise
go
>
>>>>>>> unheard. But if the number of people with blindness as their
only
>
>>>>>>> disability is shrinking, what does this mean for our future?
>>
>>>>>>> There has been discussion on this and other NFB lists about the
>>>>>>> future of the organization with regards to membership
recruitment
>
>>>>>>> and legislation and advocacy. If more and more people with
visual
>
>>>>>>> impairments are born with multiple, "profound" disabilities, I'm
>>>>>>> curious what, if any, impact would this have on the NFB in the
>>>>>>> future and years to come.
>>
>>>>>>> Any thoughts are welcome.
>>
>>>>>>> Brice
>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> North Carolina State University, Communication - Public
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>
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>>
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