[nabs-l] skimming
Bridgit Pollpeter
bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Thu Mar 17 18:25:55 UTC 2011
Sean,
I agree that electronic versions are best, for me. I have control over
what I read (pages, paras, sentences, etc.) and I can determine spelling
and punctuation.
When I have had to cite material from an RFBD book, I have had to ask
classmates, or the instructor, for the proper punctuation when I wasn't
sure. Like once it was a poem, and I was not sure of the structure.
With electronic versions, I can figure this out on my own.
Of course not everything scans properly, but I still find it much easier
to read and study this way.
Since I am a creative writing major, and most my books are literature
books, I like to find live audio copies, if possible, to use along with
an electronic copy. This way I have the luxury of hearing a live
narrator, but I can find passages in the electronic copy for study and
citing purposes.
Here is my dilemma. The training center I trained at said I should buy
each textbook even though there may be audio copies.
However, at the current institution, I have been told they can not
purchase books if they're already in a format like RFBD or Book Share.
Obviously, not have hard copies makes it difficult to scan and have
electronic copies.
Has anyone experienced this?
Bridgit
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:47:45 -0500
From: "Sean Whalen" <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skimming
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Knowing what to read word by word and what to skim through is in itself
a important skill for success. Certainly, sometimes you need to read
everything that is written, and other times doing so would be an
inefficient use of time.
Electronic texts are, to me, vastly superior to audio recordings.
Getting print copies of books and articles and scanning them is
worthwhile, and will likely end up saving time even once you take
scanning and conversion times into account. Control down arrow to move
by paragraph is my best friend when simply trying to take in main
points. Also, down and right arrow respectively skip by paragraph and
sentence when in say all mode. Even if you are reading something in its
entirety, e-texts are much quicker. Most JAWS users can listen to
content at speeds from 350 to over 600 words per minute. The upper end
of that range is significantly faster than most sighted folks can read
for full comprehension. In the one graduate level class I took, I
scanned all books and articles that were not already available
electronically, and in conversations with fellow students I came to find
out that I did more reading than most, and did it in less time. I also
did a substantial research paper which required skimming through
numerous articles to look for relevant material. So, I would suggest,
have somebody scan for you, or rip the binding off, run it through a
high-speed scanner, and convert with Open Book or the like. Trust me,
you will end up ahead of the game in terms of time spent and content
absorbed.
Sean
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:14:36 -0500
From: "B.J. LeJeune" <BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Ann Sullivan Macy Research Training Program
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Applications Invited for Research Training Program
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:25:46 -0400
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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Hello fellow NABS members.
I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
regarding universities using Google Apps.
>From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the rest
>isn't. (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of
>yet),
but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
Are we complaining because the University is mandating that everything
be done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or are we
complaining for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
potentially pose problems?
Thanks,
Jorge
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:31:48 -0500
From: Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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Hello,
Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have innovated and
are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW works, but
very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies doing their
jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB getting sue-happy
*gain* and complaining because screen reader companies are falling
behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused to work on
accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
Thanks.
On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
> Hello fellow NABS members.
>
> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
> regarding universities using Google Apps.
>
> >From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the rest
> >isn't.
> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of yet),
>
> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>
> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that everything
> be done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or are we
> complaining for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
> potentially pose problems?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:34:30 -0400
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skimming
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Hi all,
There is a place for both skimming and reading word by word. One major
factor is time. Antonio, I know how you feel. I caught a bad cold some
semesters and fell behind my peers and like you
needed to catch up fast with hundreds of pages.
I will write more later. I also use RFB a lot as my primary choice,
just as
you're doing.
Most say electronic text is faster/easier. For me its not. I can speed
up
the audio speech. While I can listen to jaws fast, I can't learn well by
speeding through it as I cannot take notes efficiently when I'm
expending
the energy to understand jaws at a faster speed. I read email/internet
stuff faster, but processing everything is not so essential then.
Antonio, I'll write more tips later.
As Sean said, skimming by paragraph in electronic text is a good idea.
If
you know the exact word and its spelling you can also search for it by
Control F.
For RFB, I have not found a good solution. Here is a few thoughts. 1. If
the reader starts describing graphs or tables/illustrations you don't
need, skip to the next page.
2. If you're pressed for time, reading segments helps. I mean the first
few
pages. Then maybe five middle pages and the end of the chapter. Many
books
have a summary and list of key concepts or objectives.
Read those summaries; I find they well paraphrase main points.
Good luck.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Whalen
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 2:47 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skimming
Knowing what to read word by word and what to skim through is in itself
a important skill for success. Certainly, sometimes you need to read
everything that is written, and other times doing so would be an
inefficient use of time.
Electronic texts are, to me, vastly superior to audio recordings.
Getting print copies of books and articles and scanning them is
worthwhile, and will likely end up saving time even once you take
scanning and conversion times into account. Control down arrow to move
by paragraph is my best friend when simply trying to take in main
points. Also, down and right arrow respectively skip by paragraph and
sentence when in say all mode. Even if you are reading something in its
entirety, e-texts are much quicker. Most JAWS users can listen to
content at speeds from 350 to over 600 words per minute. The upper end
of that range is significantly faster than most sighted folks can read
for full comprehension. In the one graduate level class I took, I
scanned all books and articles that were not already available
electronically, and in conversations with fellow students I came to find
out that I did more reading than most, and did it in less time. I also
did a substantial research paper which required skimming through
numerous articles to look for relevant material. So, I would suggest,
have somebody scan for you, or rip the binding off, run it through a
high-speed scanner, and convert with Open Book or the like. Trust me,
you will end up ahead of the game in terms of time spent and content
absorbed.
Sean
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:45:48 +0000
From: <dstrick1 at roadrunner.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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Personally, I think it is just an attempt to get attention much like the
blind driver challenge. I stipulate that the doj has many more important
things to do then deal with google which being a private entity has done
nothing illegal.
---- Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have innovated and
> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW works, but
> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies doing
> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB getting
> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader companies are
> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused to work on
> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
> > Hello fellow NABS members.
> >
> > I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
> > regarding universities using Google Apps.
> >
> > >From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the rest
> > >isn't.
> > (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of yet),
> >
> > but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
> >
> > Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
> > everything be done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible)
> > or are we complaining for simply using inaccessible web applications
> > that could potentially pose problems?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jorge
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:46:08 -0400
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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Nimer writes:
"I don't think that Google has _ever refused to work on accessibility
for anyone. Just saying ..."
Joe responds:
If that's true, where's my fully accessible Android phone?
Regards,
Joe
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:46:36 -0500
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] skimming
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Antonio,
I agree with you. Skimming truly is an essential skill college students
should learn. In fact, in most classes teaching study skills, skimming
is one of the topics broached.
I maintain a high GPA and practice skimming on a daily basis. Yes, some
material you will want to read cover-to-cover, but not everything
especially in classes that are textbook based versus literature based
reading.
And when researching for papers and projects, you can not read each word
of each document you come across.
Finding a reliable way to skim will help students especially as they
progress through college.
And I completely agree about the comment with grad school. Your reading
load is often extremely heavy-- almost inhuman. *smile* It is not even
expected for students to read an entire book or document most times.
You must do what works best for you, and what you are comfortable with,
but skimming, for many, is a crucial skill.
I understand the frustration of how different groups like RFBD format
each book. Some have great formatting that allows for easy navigation,
but many do not. If you use a Victor Stream (or Victoria as I call
mine) bookmarking will become your best friend. The time jump option is
helpful too.
Sometimes, I mark down a small note so I can easily identify what
certain bookmarks are for.
A lot of this is figuring out what works for you. You will develop your
own tools and methods as you progress.
And don't worry, skimming does not necessarily adversly affect your
grade. It is all how you handle situation from situation, and also what
each instructor expects from you.
Bridgit
Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:28:56 -0400
From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr." <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skimming
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Disagree,
Students learn better, think more critically, and extrac the excential
information from interaction with text, and not even the simple act of
reading and taking notes. Notes serve me only to rewrite what I need to
learn. Interaction allowes greater participation, better attention, and
superior comprehention of a material.
Text books are not written as novels, and jumping throu paragraphs
allowes one to decide what to read, and what to skip. I want to learn
what I want to learn and not have to sit for weeks trying to get every
detail down for a test that will only require a specific set of
knowledge and information.
Further more, a paper requires research, and students, even need to plow
though hundrest of pages from douzens of articles just to decide what to
write, and how to write it.
Now imagine having to read every single word of every single article you
think may have something in it for you.
I would rather read critically than to read continuously.
Antonio Guimaraes
On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Jedi wrote:
> It is true that sighted students often skip a lot of material. But the
advantage in not being able to do that exactly as the sighted do is that
you learn more. I usually have top grades in my classes, and I really do
think it's because I have to read through more material than my peers
do. After all, it is difficult to know exactly what material is not
really required unless the professor spells it out for you. So the
consequences of skipping through stuff might be that you don't get what
you need from the material.
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:13:50 -0400
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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Precisely my thoughts.
Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
Or Google?
Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix that problem.
Just my thoughts.
Jorge
On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have innovated and
> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW works, but
> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies doing
> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB getting
> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader companies are
> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused to work on
> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>
>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
>> regarding universities using Google Apps.
>>
>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the rest
>>> isn't.
>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of yet),
>>
>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>
>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
>> everything be done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible)
>> or are we complaining for simply using inaccessible web applications
>> that could potentially pose problems?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>> 0gmail.com
>>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:28:32 +0000
From: <dstrick1 at roadrunner.com>
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The nfb will never go after freedom scientific. They did not even make a
fuss when fs turned off many people's braille displays with jaws 11.
This is interesting coming from an organization that claims to promote
braille literacy. Could it be that fs helps line the pockets of the nfb?
How much does fs spend to get a spot at a convention?
---- Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
> Precisely my thoughts.
>
> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>
> Or Google?
>
> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix that
> problem.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have innovated
> > and are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW works,
> > but very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies
> > doing their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB
> > getting sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
> > companies are falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever
> > refused to work on accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
> >> Hello fellow NABS members.
> >>
> >> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
> >> regarding universities using Google Apps.
> >>
> >>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the
> >>> rest isn't.
> >> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of yet),
> >>
> >> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
> >>
> >> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
> >> everything be done threw Google Apps (part of which is
> >> unaccessible) or are we complaining for simply using inaccessible
> >> web applications that could potentially pose problems?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
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> >> Jorge
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:30:03 -0400
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and calendar
services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an HTML only version
which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good thing about Google apps is
that you can use them through other software. I use Gmail and Google
calendar everyday with my Mac, but I never actually open the Google site
for that. I get my emails through Imap and use iCal to look at the
calendar and add events etc. In other words, I think this complaint
should have formulated differently. There are lots of things that can
and should be fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by
blind people in those universities is lying. My university uses Google
apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can use it...!! On Mar
16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
> Precisely my thoughts.
>
> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>
> Or Google?
>
> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix that
> problem.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have innovated and
>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW works, but
>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies doing
>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB getting
>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader companies are
>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused to work
>> on accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>
>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
>>> regarding universities using Google Apps.
>>>
>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the rest
>>>> isn't.
>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of yet),
>>>
>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>
>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
>>> everything be done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible)
>>> or are we complaining for simply using inaccessible web applications
>>> that could potentially pose problems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org
>>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:34:41 -0400
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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The point is that if schools have to stop using Google apps because of
accessibility, Google will have to make Google apps accessible. But then
again, some of the things they say on that press release are false. It
looks like they just want to draw attention in this case. And sometimes
that's not a bad idea...who knows... On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:45 PM,
<dstrick1 at roadrunner.com> <dstrick1 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Personally, I think it is just an attempt to get attention much like
> the blind driver challenge. I stipulate that the doj has many more
important things to do then deal with google which being a private
entity has done nothing illegal.
> ---- Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have innovated and
>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW works, but
>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies doing
>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB getting
>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader companies are
>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused to work
>> on accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>
>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
>>> regarding universities using Google Apps.
>>>
>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the rest
>>>> isn't.
>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of yet),
>>>
>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>
>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
>>> everything be done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible)
>>> or are we complaining for simply using inaccessible web applications
>>> that could potentially pose problems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>
>>
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>> please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org
>>
>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
>> and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org
>>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:39:49 -0400
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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I don't know,
this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has been on this
very list about precisely how accessible Google Apps are.
Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying to get
attention.
And get attention for what exactly?
Jorge
On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and
> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an HTML
> only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good thing about
> Google apps is that you can use them through other software. I use
> Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my Mac, but I never actually
> open the Google site for that. I get my emails through Imap and use
> iCal to look at the calendar and add events etc. In other words, I
> think this complaint should have formulated differently. There are
> lots of things that can and should be fixed, but saying that these
> services are not usable by blind people in those universities is
> lying. My university uses Google apps, and I'm not complaining about
> it because I can use it...!! On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez
> wrote:
>
>> Precisely my thoughts.
>>
>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>>
>> Or Google?
>>
>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix that
>> problem.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have innovated
>>> and are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW works,
>>> but very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies
>>> doing their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB
>>> getting sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
>>> companies are falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever
>>> refused to work on accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
>>>> regarding universities using Google Apps.
>>>>
>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the
>>>>> rest isn't.
>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of yet),
>>>>
>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>>
>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
>>>> everything be done threw Google Apps (part of which is
>>>> unaccessible) or are we complaining for simply using inaccessible
>>>> web applications that could potentially pose problems?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jorge
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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ail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>
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>>> system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org
>>>
>>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
>>> and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org
>>>
>>> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here:
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>>>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:49:54 -0600
From: "Laura Glowacki" <orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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I agree. Google has done a lot in the past with seeking feedback
from users on accessibility. Obviously there are still things
that need to be worked on, but has anyone actually approached
google and offer to help with that process?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps
complaint
I don't know,
this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has been on
this very list about
precisely how accessible Google Apps are.
Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying to
get attention.
And get attention for what exactly?
Jorge
On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and
> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an
> HTML only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good
> thing about Google apps is that you can use them through other
> software. I use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my Mac,
> but I never actually open the Google site for that. I get my
> emails through Imap and use iCal to look at the calendar and
> add events etc.
> In other words, I think this complaint should have formulated
> differently. There are lots of things that can and should be
> fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by blind
> people in those universities is lying. My university uses
> Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can use
> it...!!
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>
>> Precisely my thoughts.
>>
>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>>
>> Or Google?
>>
>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix
>> that problem.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have
>>> innovated and
>>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW
>>> works, but
>>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies
>>> doing
>>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB
>>> getting
>>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
>>> companies are
>>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused
>>> to work on
>>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National
>>>> filed regarding
>>>> universities using Google Apps.
>>>>
>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but
>>>>> the rest isn't.
>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of
>>>> yet),
>>>>
>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>>
>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
>>>> everything be
>>>> done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or
>>>> are we complaining
>>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
>>>> potentially pose
>>>> problems?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jorge
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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ail.com
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>>>
>>>
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>>> instructions
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>>> to you.
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>>> with these
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>>> all copies
>>> of this email from your computer.
>>>
>>> Registered Linux User 529141.
>>> http://counter.li.org/
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>>> To get more information about a free and accessible operating
>>> system,
>>> please click here:
>>> http://www.vinuxproject.org
>>>
>>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for
>>> windows XP
>>> and above, please click here:
>>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>>
>>> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here:
>>> http://nimertech.blogspot.com
>>>
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:31:25 -0600
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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The only reason for doing this that makes sense to me is the NFB not
wanting to get in to a long, drawn-out court battle with google. I know
the Federation has money to spare...but going up against the likes of
google and winning would take a lot of money and, probably, litigation.
So maybe they see this as a way to bring about some limited improvements
and set a precident for the future? Sounds like a stretch, but it's all
I can think of.
Best,
Kirt
On 3/16/11, Laura Glowacki <orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree. Google has done a lot in the past with seeking feedback from
> users on accessibility. Obviously there are still things that need to
> be worked on, but has anyone actually approached google and offer to
> help with that process?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
>
>
> I don't know,
> this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has been on this
> very list about precisely how accessible Google Apps are.
>
> Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying to get
> attention.
>
> And get attention for what exactly?
>
> Jorge
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>
>> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
>> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and
>> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an HTML
>> only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good thing
>> about Google apps is that you can use them through other software. I
>> use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my Mac, but I never
>> actually open the Google site for that. I get my emails through Imap
>> and use iCal to look at the calendar and add events etc.
>> In other words, I think this complaint should have formulated
>> differently. There are lots of things that can and should be
>> fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by blind
>> people in those universities is lying. My university uses
>> Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can use
>> it...!!
>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>
>>> Precisely my thoughts.
>>>
>>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>>>
>>> Or Google?
>>>
>>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix that
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have innovated
>>>> and are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW
>>>> works, but
>>>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies
>>>> doing
>>>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB
>>>> getting
>>>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
>>>> companies are
>>>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused
>>>> to work on
>>>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
>>>>> regarding universities using Google Apps.
>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the
>>>>>> rest isn't.
>>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of yet),
>>>>>
>>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
>>>>> everything be done threw Google Apps (part of which is
>>>>> unaccessible) or are we complaining
>>>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
>>>>> potentially pose
>>>>> problems?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:25:43 -0500
From: "Tony Grima" <agrima at nbp.org> (by way of David Andrews
<dandrews at visi.com>)
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] NBP-Announce: New: Word 2010 Keyboard Commands
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:34:34 -0500
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: A Message from Jerry Munden at Prodigy
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I have been asked to circulate the following:
>Prodigy? provides Accessible Diabetes Products
>and instruction material on how to Live Healthy with Blindness and
>Diabetes
>
>Prodigy? continues to serve more of our vision
>impaired friends with our NFB and AFB Access
>Award winning Prodigy Voice? meter and test
>strips, as well as the accessible insulin
>delivery device; the Prodigy Count-a-dose?.
>In addition to our accessible products, Prodigy?
>realizes that Education is Key for healthy
>living, so we have added to our website:
> * The NFB audio book, "Bridging the Gap,
> Living with Blindness and Diabetes," authored
> by 19 experts in the blindness and diabetes field.
> * The new training ?Tools and Techniques for
> Managing Diabetes Non-Visually?. Produced and
> directed by renowned Blind Industries and
> Services of Maryland (BISM). This training
> demonstrates the skills for living well with
> diabetes using non-visual techniques.
> Instruction is presented by Lynn Baillif, MS,
> RD, LDN, CDE, a blind diabetes educator, and
> includes a demonstration on how to use the
> Prodigy Voice? and Prodigy Count-a-dose? products.
> * The article due out in consumer diabetes
> magazines this spring, ?Adaptive Blood Glucose Monitoring with Vision
Loss,?
>authored by Debra Sokol-McKay, MS, CVRT, CLVT, CDE, OTR/L, SCLV.
> * Prodigy adds diabetes educator Dave Joffe,
> BSPharm, CDE, CPT, Clinical Associate Professor
> College of Pharmacy University of Florida, to the Prodigy? Team.
> * Get ready . . . on June 9, 2011 at 12:00
> pm EST, Hadley School for the Blind will host a
> ?Living Well with Diabetes? webinar.
>Key speakers include:
>? Margaret E. Cleary, Rehabilitation Nurse Consultant
>? Naomi Tuttle, Instructor The Hadley School for the Blind
>? Jerry Munden, Vice President of
>Business Development Prodigy Diabetes Care, LLC
>
>To sign up for a Seminar at Hadley:
>
>1) Go to <http://www.hadley.edu/>www.hadley.edu
>2) Click on "Seminars at Hadley"
>3) Click on "Registration" and enter required information
>4) You'll receive an email with your "password"
>5) On the day of the seminar, Login at ?Registered Participants Login?
>with: -User name: first name & last name -Your Password
>6) You may have to download a plug-in before signing on
>7) When you enter, to use your mike, simply hold
>down the control key and speak.
>
>Registration starts on the day the webinar is
>advertised on the Hadley home page, usually
>about 2 weeks before the webinar is presented.
>If you do not wish to ask questions, you can
>listen or text questions via the chat room. If
>you can't attend, all webinars are archived and
>can be found at
><http://www.hadley.edu/>www.hadley.edu under the
>heading: "Past Seminars." Anyone can download or
>stream them. Hope to see you there!
>
>Prodigy? makes the helpful training aids
>available to all Prodigy? customers, for free,
>at
><http://www.prodigymeter.com/>www.prodigymeter.com
>in the Low Vision Center. Also, keep up-to-date
>on Prodigy? Announcements:
><http://www.prodigymeter.com/prodigymeters/index.php?page=articles&arg=
2009&op=readArticle&id=9345&title=Low%20Vision-Blind%20Organization%20Ne
ws%20Feed&main=9>Click
>here and subscribe to our Low Vision and Blind Organization News Room!
>
>Prodigy? continues to work to provide new,
>accessible products to fit the needs of all
>diabetics, especially the blind and low vision.
>Please be advised that the release dates for the
>Prodigy IQ Pump? and the Prodigy IQ Patch? has
>not been set. As soon as the dates are
>announced, your organizations will be the first to know.
>
>
> ** Use Prodigy? Products and Help Us to Help You **
>
>
>Please contact me at 704-285-6454 or Bernadette
>Jacobs at 410-455-5311
>(<mailto:bandbjacobs at verizon.net>bandbjacobs at verizon.net)
>with any questions you may have.
>
>Here to Help,
>
>Jerry Munden (Living well with Type I for 30+ years ... and you can
>too!) Vice President of Business Development Prodigy Diabetes Care, LLC
>Phone: 704-285-6454 Fax: 704-285-6495
>Email: <mailto:jerrym at prodigymeter.com>jerrym at prodigymeter.com
>Web: <http://www.prodigymeter.com/>www.prodigymeter.com
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:45:58 -0500
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Survey: Camera Phone Question/answer Service
Message-ID: <auto-000004955736 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
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I have been asked to circulate the following:
Dave
>From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>To: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Please Distribute
>Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:09:39 -0700
>
>Can you please send the following to the various lists as you find
>appropriate?
>
>Thanks,
>Nicole
>
><http://survey.rochci.net/>http://survey.rochci.net/
>This form describes a research study that Jeffrey P. Bigham,
>principal investigator from the University of Rochester, is
>conducting in order to brainstorm potential uses of a camera-phone
>question answering service designed to assist people with visual
>impairments with everyday visual tasks.
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:04:00 -0500
From: "Kubas, Amy" <kubasa at my.uwstout.edu> (by way of David Andrews
<dandrews at visi.com>)
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Adjusted Design Proposal
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This is a follow up from Amy Kubas who is the person who asked that
we send out an informal survey, on her behalf, the other
day. FYI: she is a relative of one of our members here in Minnesota.
David Andrews
First and foremost, thank you all for taking the time to help me with
my Senior Project. I hope you don't mind me contacting you for
further inquiries about your suggestions. I was not able to provide
more background information in the previous survey and I hope you do
not mind if I do so now. As part of our design process we are
required to create a target persona of whom we will be designing for.
My persona is an 80+-year-old woman whom has recently -gradually yet
rapidly- lost her sight due to age. Part of my research presentation
to my professors included the statistic that 70% of the 15 million
blind and visually impaired persons in the United States are aged 65+
and their visual impairments are most often because of the inevitable
aging process. The designs that were selected, I presume, had merit
to my professors when dealing with the mobility issues that come with
age (essential tremors, arthritis, etc.) and were reviewed in sketch
form as opposed to a 3D model. I was worried I might step on some
toes with some of the concepts I presented as the recipients of the
survey were not privy to my entire research process up to this point
(I understand that someone who is blind can more than easily plug in
a cord, and am sure I came across as very naive to the majority of
readers). I am hoping 3D modeling will help determine which concepts
are more appropriate for those with visual and physical limitations
and how to create them in such a way as most beneficial to the user.
Further along that note, other survey readers had suggested that the
products I had listed would benefit more for the user in a commercial
setting as many of them have adapted to using those products in their
homes in their own ways. (For example, the silverware concept would
be more beneficial for use during a business meeting at a chain of
restaurants that currently use more mainstream flatware than
necessary for a user at his or her home. Moreover, picking up a fork
instead of a spoon by mistake isn't the world's biggest problem.)
That being said, some of my original concepts not chosen by my
professors were actually written in as suggestions from other survey
readers. I had a few designs based on stovetops that allow the user
to distinguish where the actual burner is (as opposed to more common
flat-topped ceramic stoves we have today) as well as interfaces that
'stick' at each interval rather than having a smooth transition from
high heat to low heat. I also had a design for a tactile microwave
interface as well as one for touch-screen ATMs. I explored washing
machines and dryers, and even offered a 'schematic' of sorts that
would map out a room for the user that would be an extension of the
Braille signs they have now outside of offices, bathrooms,
auditoriums, etc. Another approach I had was redesigning US paper
currency to be more obvious to its denominations than it currently is
today. I now know the majority of people I have been able to contact
via the NFB mailing list are well past the transitioning stage and
have already adjusted to a lifestyle without sight. As the majority
of my responses came from individuals who do not fit the 80+ female
demographic, I am hoping to re-examine my concepts and target persona
in the next stage of development and provide my professors with the
suggestions written in by your readers.
I understand with product design nothing is really original. The
majority of products are based off of already existing products and
the main element that changes how those appear is technology. I feel
as if some of my concepts were disregarded by my professors (the
tactile stove for example) because it has existed in some form or
another before (not that the salt and pepper shakers haven't already
been out there, but a stove has been redone based on technology so
many times over whereas a salt shaker has stayed relatively the same
in it's basic form and function). I came across a quote from a blind
man attending the CES convention who said, "There are (products) we
can't use because they've been improved to death" which had inspired
a lot of my low-tech concepts. There were numerous suggestions I had
received about implementing technology into products and I am hoping
to get back to each reader to get further help from them.
Again, thank you for your sincerity in your response to my survey and
for being patient with my very 'sight-minded' view of those with
visual impairments. If you don't mind me writing you with further
inquiries, I would love to hear more about your opinions of my
concepts that weren't selected by my professors but seem in common
demand by those I have been able to be in contact with. I hate to
bother you all with another posting of a survey, but it seems as if
there are things that need to be addressed that my professors might
have overlooked from my original designs. Of the following, which
would be most appealing to you as a user:
1] A cook top surface with more distinct ways of determining
temperature gauges and specific heat surfaces (ex. Knobs that 'stick'
at every temperature level from high heat to low heat, a thermostat
that audibly tells you what temperature your oven is heating to, etc.)
2] A more tactile or audible way of determining settings on a washer and
dryer
3] Tactile interfaces on touch-screen ATMs to help those with low
vision select the right buttons to navigate through transactions
4] A universal schematic as an extension of already existing Braille
signs that inform the user of floor plans for areas such as public
restrooms, auditoriums, large office spaces, etc.
5] US currency (though I know bill-readers already exist I was hoping
to design currency that could be determined without the aid of a
reader. I received one survey response that suggested maybe even
adjusting things ever so slightly so that a new less expensive
bill-reader would be able to be used to do the trick. While a new
design for reader-free currency might be the ideal option, the
reality is that a more cost-effective approach to what already exists
might be the best solution. And that suggestion just saved me quite
some headache when it comes to tackling a national dilemma!)
Other suggestions that weren't in my original 50 concepts but were
written in by other recipients included:
6] A way of labeling or organizing electronic cords (ex. Printer
cords, USB cords, Internet cables, cell phone chargers, etc. that
seem to be kept in the same location)
7) A TV or TV Remote interface that provides more feedback to the
viewer. In other words a system that informs someone they are on
channel 31 as opposed to 65 or a way of reading scrolling text on
news channels, severe weather alerts, the stock market updates, etc.
Another recipient suggested a better informative way of interacting
with the cable menu systems that come with most cable services.
8) A more cost-effective and more efficient color detector and/or
clothes labeler
9) A universal labeling system for things such as canned goods,
frozen goods, dry goods, etc. One reader mentioned he had magnetic
labels for his canned goods, but if his sighted wife went shopping
for groceries she might not always fully understand his system of
labeling and will either put cans away without labels or mislabel
cans with the wrong ones.
10) An all-inclusive carrying case for things such as a cell phone,
iPad, and Braille display.
11) Audible sports equipment (balls that have sound so the blind and
sighted can enjoy a game of soccer, etc. mutually. The reader also
suggested an audible sensor that could be pinned to a sighted friend
when skiing, biking, running, etc.)
12] A potting system for plants that will assist the user in keeping
and caring for multiple plants in one pot.
13] a type of recipe holder that can be controlled by voice. One
woman told of how it was cumbersome to have to wash her hands every
time she wanted to read her braille cookbook to determine the next
step in the recipe she was cooking. So potentially something that
could be controlled by a simple vocal "Pause", "Back", or "Next" etc.
during the cooking process.
Are any of the concepts mentioned above of any interest to you? If
so, which of those stand out to you? Could you please also provide me
with any feedback as to whether audible or tactile cues might be more
appropriate for one design versus another?
Furthermore, as I hope to design a product that is also appropriate
for someone who is currently adjusting to their vision loss, could
those of you who have had experience with partial sight fill me in on
any difficulties you ran into when transitioning into life without
sight? What were your biggest obstacles? What were your frustrations?
What things gave you the most relief in the transitional period? I
now know the majority of people I have been able to contact via the
NFB mailing list have already adjusted to a lifestyle without sight,
but I am hoping you might be able to help me better understand the
difficulties of the transition period in particular.
Again, I apologize for the lengthy email, but want to sincerely thank
you for all your help and patience! I look forward to hearing the
responses from those of you willing to take the time and am excited
to inform my professors of the concepts and improvements you have
suggested me to move forward with!
Warmest thanks,
Amy Kubas
kubasa at my.uwstout.edu
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:34:11 -0500
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul at asmodean.net> (by way of David Andrews
<dandrews at visi.com>)
To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Window-Eyes 7.5 is Now Available
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Window-Eyes 7.5 is Now Available
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:16:57 -0400
From: marc at gwmicro.com To: gw-info at gwmicro.com
GW Micro is proud to announce the highly
anticipated release of Window-Eyes 7.5. This
version of Window-Eyes introduces several new
features, including a completely re-designed (and
much more intuitive) user interface, full UIA
support, support for Internet Explorer 9 and
Windows Live Mail/Windows Live Messenger 2011,
plus a brand new Remote Assistance feature. In
addition to these new features, Window-Eyes 7.5
also boasts a significant performance increase in
Microsoft Office products, along with many bug
fixes and stability improvements. Window-Eyes 7.5
is also the first version of Window-Eyes to
re-brand the notion of scripts into a more
comfortable and recognizable term: apps.
Window-Eyes Apps embrace a broader sense of usage
by including everything from program enhancements
that deal specifically with accessibility issues
to more convenience-oriented apps and everything
in between. While the underlying structure of
these Window-Eyes enhancements is the same
industry standard that has been in place since
its inception in Window-Eyes 7.0, the concept of
an app is more widely known, and the use of this
term will help eliminate the confusion often
associated with the more technical expression.
Window-Eyes 7.5 will include a number of new apps
that have been designed to make your applications
more accessible and create a more enjoyable
computing experience overall. Read more about the
additional features and enhancements that
Window-Eyes 7.5 offers at
http://www.gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/Latest_Features
<../../Window-Eyes/Latest_Features>. Window-Eyes
7.5 is a paid upgrade for existing Window-Eyes
users. If you already own Window-Eyes 7.X and
have an active software maintenance agreement
(SMA), you will be receiving your Window-Eyes 7.5
CD in the mail soon. Please be patient;
Window-Eyes SMA CDs are our first priority but it
might take several days before we are able to
ship the CDs to all of our SMA customers. You may
also choose to download your Window-Eyes 7.5
upgrade for immediate installation. To download
the Window-Eyes 7.5 upgrade, to check the status
of your SMA count, or to determine your upgrade
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Alternatively, you can visit
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:16:11 -0400
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>, "National Association of Blind Students
mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skimming
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Joe and all,
Unfortunately, I've only seen rfb mark pages and chapters not major
section
headings in books. I can book mark a major subject heading, but don't
think
rfb does that.
I have lecture notes to see the main points and use that as a guide for
reading.
Normally I just read the whole chapter, but when pressed for time do try
skimming.
What I do to attempt to skim rfb books is read a few
pages, skip some pages and read another page. If it?s the same subject
matter, I skip to the next page. For instance my interpersonal
communication
book went on and on page after page with examples of social communities.
So after reading the main heading through, I heard the subheadings and
skipped those and skipped the box examples too. The best I could do was
to
listen page by page for a new topic; if it was the same one, go to the
next
page.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:36 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skimming
Antonio,
Yeah, I don't know how many people actually read the whole text in their
studies. I'm sure Hermione would approve, but in my reality, this was
never
accomplished. I don't know if it's possible, but could you get a copy
of
Dragon Dictation, set it to record the RFB audio, and convert to text
that
way? I mean, you'd think it would be doable. I have no idea how much
the
Dragon software costs, so this may be of no use to you this time around.
If
I were in your position, I would probably speed up the audio to
something
quick but legible. Also, doesn't RFB mark their audio? I don't think
it's
one continuous recording, so I would probably listen to the first few
minutes of each section and then move on. I assume you already have
class
notes, which you can then turn into an outline, and you figure out how
much
to listen to based on the structure of your outline. Yes, there are
professors who will test you on things not covered in lecture, but the
main
points will have been covered in class. If you fill in the outline
through
this suggested method of audio skimming, you can later go back and
listen to
the most relevant sections more thoroughly, but perhaps the most
important
advice is not to postpone your reading until the last minute! Well, the
second best advice is to buy the hard copy books and do your own
scanning.
Best,
Joe
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:48:56 -0400
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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Ignosi,
My school uses a google email system.
Its pretty accessible but could be improved.
Do you use jaws? How do you access the calendar?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ignasi Cambra
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 5:30 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
accessibility,
especially with Google Docs. But their email and calendar services are
perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an HTML only version which is as
simple
as it gets. Also, the good thing about Google apps is that you can use
them
through other software. I use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my
Mac, but I never actually open the Google site for that. I get my emails
through Imap and use iCal to look at the calendar and add events etc.
In other words, I think this complaint should have formulated
differently.
There are lots of things that can and should be fixed, but saying that
these
services are not usable by blind people in those universities is lying.
My
university uses Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I
can
use it...!!
On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
> Precisely my thoughts.
>
> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>
> Or Google?
>
> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix that
problem.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have innovated and
>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW works, but
>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies doing
>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB getting
>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader companies are
>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused to work
on
>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>
>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National filed
>>> regarding
>>> universities using Google Apps.
>>>
>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but the rest
>>>> isn't.
>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of yet),
>>>
>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>
>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
everything
>>> be
>>> done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or are we
>>> complaining
>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
potentially
>>> pose
>>> problems?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>
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>> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions
>> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you.
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>>
>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
>> and above, please click here:
>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>
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>>
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:01:24 -0400
From: Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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Hello All,
I am by no means an expert in the field of technology, but I do know
from my own personal experience that the Google applications used by
some colleges and universities are not accessible. I know this to be
true because my college uses the Google email application for its email
system, and somehow it is set up differently than a regular Google
account, and as such is not accessible. I would imagine that the
national office is choosing to go after the colleges and not google
because the colleges have a choice in what they choose to use when it
comes to disseminating electronic information. I believe it would be the
responsibility of the college or university to ensure that the software
programs they use are accessible to all students.
Just my thoughts for whatever they may be worth.
Elizabeth
> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:31:25 -0600
> From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
>
> The only reason for doing this that makes sense to me is the NFB not
> wanting to get in to a long, drawn-out court battle with google. I
> know the Federation has money to spare...but going up against the
> likes of google and winning would take a lot of money and, probably,
> litigation. So maybe they see this as a way to bring about some
> limited improvements and set a precident for the future? Sounds like
> a stretch, but it's all I can think of.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 3/16/11, Laura Glowacki <orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I agree. Google has done a lot in the past with seeking feedback
> > from users on accessibility. Obviously there are still things
> > that need to be worked on, but has anyone actually approached
> > google and offer to help with that process?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps
> > complaint
> >
> >
> > I don't know,
> > this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has been on
> > this very list about
> > precisely how accessible Google Apps are.
> >
> > Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying to
> > get attention.
> >
> > And get attention for what exactly?
> >
> > Jorge
> >
> >
> > On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
> >
> >> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
> >> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and
> >> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an
> >> HTML only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good
> >> thing about Google apps is that you can use them through other
> >> software. I use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my Mac,
> >> but I never actually open the Google site for that. I get my
> >> emails through Imap and use iCal to look at the calendar and
> >> add events etc.
> >> In other words, I think this complaint should have formulated
> >> differently. There are lots of things that can and should be
> >> fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by blind
> >> people in those universities is lying. My university uses
> >> Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can use
> >> it...!!
> >> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
> >>
> >>> Precisely my thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
> >>>
> >>> Or Google?
> >>>
> >>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix
> >>> that problem.
> >>>
> >>> Just my thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> Jorge
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have
> >>>> innovated and
> >>>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW
> >>>> works, but
> >>>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies
> >>>> doing
> >>>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB
> >>>> getting
> >>>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
> >>>> companies are
> >>>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused
> >>>> to work on
> >>>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National
> >>>>> filed regarding
> >>>>> universities using Google Apps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but
> >>>>>> the rest isn't.
> >>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of
> >>>>> yet),
> >>>>>
> >>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
> >>>>> everything be
> >>>>> done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or
> >>>>> are we complaining
> >>>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
> >>>>> potentially pose
> >>>>> problems?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jorge
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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ail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Nimer M. Jaber
> >>>>
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> >>>> was sent.
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> >>>> please notify
> >>>> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email.
> >>>> Action taken
> >>>> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended
> >>>> recipient
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> >>>> files on my
> >>>> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held
> >>>> responsible
> >>>> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any
> >>>> instructions
> >>>> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up
> >>>> to you.
> >>>> Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply
> >>>> with these
> >>>> instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy
> >>>> all copies
> >>>> of this email from your computer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Registered Linux User 529141.
> >>>> http://counter.li.org/
> >>>> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator
> >>>> To get more information about a free and accessible operating
> >>>> system,
> >>>> please click here:
> >>>> http://www.vinuxproject.org
> >>>>
> >>>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for
> >>>> windows XP
> >>>> and above, please click here:
> >>>> http://www.nvda-project.org
> >>>>
> >>>> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here:
> >>>> http://nimertech.blogspot.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Phone: (720) (251-4530)
> >>>> Please reply to this email to contact me.
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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:27:09 -0400
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
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My school, nova, uses the google email application too. What I hate is
trying to open attachments. They are so hard to find among the links
and
text!
You have to find the attachment link to click and download. Quite
frustrating.
Yes colleges do have a choice and unfortunately when choosing software
to
communicate in and out of class, accessibility is not considered.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 12:01 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
Hello All,
I am by no means an expert in the field of technology, but I do know
from my
own personal experience that the Google applications used by some
colleges
and universities are not accessible. I know this to be true because my
college uses the Google email application for its email system, and
somehow
it is set up differently than a regular Google account, and as such is
not
accessible. I would imagine that the national office is choosing to go
after
the colleges and not google because the colleges have a choice in what
they
choose to use when it comes to disseminating electronic information. I
believe it would be the responsibility of the college or university to
ensure that the software programs they use are accessible to all
students.
Just my thoughts for whatever they may be worth.
Elizabeth
> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:31:25 -0600
> From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
>
> The only reason for doing this that makes sense to me is the NFB not
> wanting to get in to a long, drawn-out court battle with google. I
> know the Federation has money to spare...but going up against the
> likes of google and winning would take a lot of money and, probably,
> litigation. So maybe they see this as a way to bring about some
> limited improvements and set a precident for the future? Sounds like
> a stretch, but it's all I can think of.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 3/16/11, Laura Glowacki <orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I agree. Google has done a lot in the past with seeking feedback
> > from users on accessibility. Obviously there are still things
> > that need to be worked on, but has anyone actually approached
> > google and offer to help with that process?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps
> > complaint
> >
> >
> > I don't know,
> > this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has been on
> > this very list about
> > precisely how accessible Google Apps are.
> >
> > Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying to
> > get attention.
> >
> > And get attention for what exactly?
> >
> > Jorge
> >
> >
> > On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
> >
> >> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
> >> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and
> >> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an
> >> HTML only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good
> >> thing about Google apps is that you can use them through other
> >> software. I use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my Mac,
> >> but I never actually open the Google site for that. I get my
> >> emails through Imap and use iCal to look at the calendar and
> >> add events etc.
> >> In other words, I think this complaint should have formulated
> >> differently. There are lots of things that can and should be
> >> fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by blind
> >> people in those universities is lying. My university uses
> >> Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can use
> >> it...!!
> >> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
> >>
> >>> Precisely my thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
> >>>
> >>> Or Google?
> >>>
> >>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix
> >>> that problem.
> >>>
> >>> Just my thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> Jorge
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have
> >>>> innovated and
> >>>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW
> >>>> works, but
> >>>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies
> >>>> doing
> >>>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB
> >>>> getting
> >>>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
> >>>> companies are
> >>>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused
> >>>> to work on
> >>>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National
> >>>>> filed regarding
> >>>>> universities using Google Apps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but
> >>>>>> the rest isn't.
> >>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of
> >>>>> yet),
> >>>>>
> >>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
> >>>>> everything be
> >>>>> done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or
> >>>>> are we complaining
> >>>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
> >>>>> potentially pose
> >>>>> problems?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jorge
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list
> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
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> >>>>> nabs-l:
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ail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Nimer M. Jaber
> >>>>
> >>>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it
> >>>> was sent.
> >>>> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
> >>>> please notify
> >>>> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email.
> >>>> Action taken
> >>>> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended
> >>>> recipient
> >>>> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all
> >>>> files on my
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:44:42 -0500
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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Subject: [nabs-l] Help! I'm having problems with Blackboard!
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Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I thought that the NFB had already worked everything out with
Blackboard. Well, it's acting up. I can log in, go to my courses,
click course content, and go to my assignment. When I go to begin,
that's when the trouble starts. The Jaws won't read the assignments to
me. I'm trying to complete my study guide, for bonus points. Our test
is this afternoon, so I need help ASAP! I had the assignment printed
out, but something came up, so my work-study and i couldn't work.
Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua
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Message: 28
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:51:38 -0700
From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
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Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: RFB&D National Achievement Awards
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I have been asked to pass along the following. I hope this is of help
to you, and that you would pass this along
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Greenwald, Melissa" <mgreenwald at rfbd.org>
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:47:17 -0500
Subject: RFB&D National Achievement Awards
To: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
Hi Darian,
We spoke earlier in the year about the RFB&D National Achievement
Awards offered to visually impaired students. I wanted to reach out
to you and let you know that the deadline has been extended to March
25, 2011. RFB&D members who are blind or visually impaired and have
or will be receiving a bachelor's, master's or doctorate degree
between July 1, 2010 and June 30, 2011 are eligible to apply.
I've attached the application and hope that you can pass this
information along to anyone you see fit. If you have any questions,
please don't hesitate to contact me.
Best,
Melissa Greenwald
Melissa Greenwald
Marketing Associate
Organizational Positioning Department
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