[nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint

Thu Mar 17 21:32:18 UTC 2011

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint

> Ashley,
>  You do?  It remembers for me.
>
> On 3/17/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Ic,
>> That is not the case with educational institutions who use the google 
>> email
>> platform.
>> You can switch to basic html which is what I do to read email; otherwise 
>> no
>> links open and jaws does not read buttons.
>> But no gmail does NOT remember I want to keep it as basic html. I have to
>> change that every time I log into the system!
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ignasi Cambra
>> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:41 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
>>
>> In case it helps, the link you can use to switch to the more accessible
>> version of google mail is located right before the copyright notice at 
>> the
>> bottom of the gmail site. Log in, and look for it. It's called "classic
>> html" or "basic html" or something like that. You only have to do this 
>> once.
>> Whenever you log in after that, it will remember that you want the basic
>> html site and not the regular one.
>> On Mar 17, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Elizabeth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I am by no means an expert in the field of technology, but I do know 
>>> from
>>> my own personal experience that the Google applications used by some
>>> colleges and universities are not accessible. I know this to be true
>>> because my college uses the Google email application for its email 
>>> system,
>>>
>>> and somehow it is set up differently than a regular Google account, and 
>>> as
>>>
>>> such is not accessible. I would imagine that the national office is
>>> choosing to go after the colleges and not google because the colleges 
>>> have
>>>
>>> a choice in what they choose to use when it comes to disseminating
>>> electronic information. I believe it would be the responsibility of the
>>> college or university to ensure that the software programs they use are
>>> accessible to all students.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts for whatever they may be worth.
>>>
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:31:25 -0600
>>>> From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps complaint
>>>>
>>>> The only reason for doing this that makes sense to me is the NFB not
>>>> wanting to get in to a long, drawn-out court battle with google. I
>>>> know the Federation has money to spare...but going up against the
>>>> likes of google and winning would take a lot of money and, probably,
>>>> litigation. So maybe they see this as a way to bring about some
>>>> limited improvements and set a precident for the future? Sounds like
>>>> a stretch, but it's all I can think of.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kirt
>>>>
>>>> On 3/16/11, Laura Glowacki <orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I agree. Google has done a lot in the past with seeking feedback
>>>>> from users on accessibility. Obviously there are still things
>>>>> that need to be worked on, but has anyone actually approached
>>>>> google and offer to help with that process?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:39 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] confused - regarding - NFB Google Apps
>>>>> complaint
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know,
>>>>> this just sounds odd considering how much talk there has been on
>>>>> this very list about
>>>>> precisely how accessible Google Apps are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like a weird move by the leadership if they're trying to
>>>>> get attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> And get attention for what exactly?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's true that Google could do a lot more in terms of
>>>>>> accessibility, especially with Google Docs. But their email and
>>>>>> calendar services are perfectly accessible. Gmail even has an
>>>>>> HTML only version which is as simple as it gets. Also, the good
>>>>>> thing about Google apps is that you can use them through other
>>>>>> software. I use Gmail and Google calendar everyday with my Mac,
>>>>>> but I never actually open the Google site for that. I get my
>>>>>> emails through Imap and use iCal to look at the calendar and
>>>>>> add events etc.
>>>>>> In other words, I think this complaint should have formulated
>>>>>> differently. There are lots of things that can and should be
>>>>>> fixed, but saying that these services are not usable by blind
>>>>>> people in those universities is lying. My university uses
>>>>>> Google apps, and I'm not complaining about it because I can use
>>>>>> it...!!
>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Precisely my thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where's the NFB suing Freedom Scientific?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or Google?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gosh knows Google could do way more then any school to fix
>>>>>>> that problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Google Aps are accessible with screen readers that have
>>>>>>>> innovated and
>>>>>>>> are able to use google apps such as NVDA for example. JFW
>>>>>>>> works, but
>>>>>>>> very limitedly. What happened to the screen reader companies
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> their jobs and making things accessible instead of the NFB
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> sue-happy *gain* and complaining because screen reader
>>>>>>>> companies are
>>>>>>>> falling behind? I don't think that Google has _ever refused
>>>>>>>> to work on
>>>>>>>> accessibility for anyone. Just saying ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 16/03/2011, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello fellow NABS members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about the complaint National
>>>>>>>>> filed regarding
>>>>>>>>> universities using Google Apps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From what I understand, GMail is completely accessible but
>>>>>>>>>> the rest isn't.
>>>>>>>>> (I've never used anything more then Gmail in the apps as of
>>>>>>>>> yet),
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but so far, I haven't seen many people use this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are we complaining because the University is mandating that
>>>>>>>>> everything be
>>>>>>>>> done threw Google Apps (part of which is unaccessible) or
>>>>>>>>> are we complaining
>>>>>>>>> for simply using inaccessible web applications that could
>>>>>>>>> potentially pose
>>>>>>>>> problems?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>>>>
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