[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sun May 22 06:00:53 UTC 2011

Was=20this=20one=20time=20I=20opened=20a=20brf=20file=20in=20word=20pad,=20=
and=20it=20looked=20
something=20like=20this...=20=20It's=20easier=20looking=20at=20it=20on=20th=
e=20display.=20=20
Nicole=20I=20see=20what=20you=20mean=20now.=20=20Like=20this,=20I=20do.
Josh

sent=20from=20my=20Apex
Email:=20joshkart12 at gmail.com

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2021=20May=202011=2023:52:33=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20Future=20of=20Nemeth?

"!=20was=20?=20"o=20"t=20I=20op5$=20a=20brf=20file=209=20notepad,=20&=20x=20=
look$=20"s?+=20l=20
?...I'll
stop=20now,=20sorry.

On=205/21/11,=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home=20
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com>=20wrote:
=20Not=20quite.=20=20He=20was=20writing=20in=20the=20Grade=202=20dot=20comb=
inations=20in=20
the=20Computer
=20Braille=20context,=20hence=20the=20context=20part.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Josh=20Gregory"=20<joshkart12 at gmail.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Saturday,=20May=2021,=202011=2010:43=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20Future=20of=20Nemeth?

=20Me=20too,=20it=20was:=20I=20hate=20computer=20braille=20but=20I=20use=20=
it=20all=20the
=20time,=20and=20he=20was=20typing=20in=20computer=20braille.
=20Josh

=20sent=20from=20my=20Apex
=20Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home"=20<ntorcolini at wavecable=
.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2021=20May=202011=2022:37:17=20-0700
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20Future=20of=20Nemeth?

=20Hahaha.=20=20If=20anyone=20did=20not=20get=20that,=20I=20can=20explain.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"Kirt=20Manwaring"=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Saturday,=20May=2021,=202011=2010:23=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20Future=20of=20Nemeth?

=20I=20hate=20-put}=20brl=20b=20I=20use=20x=20all=20!=20"t=20=20*smile*

=20=20On=205/21/11,=20Josh=20Gregory=20<joshkart12 at gmail.com>=20wrote:
=20=20Um...=20=20can=20you=20explain=20that=20one?=20Personally,=20I=20find=
=20it=20useable.
=20=20Even=20though=20I=20hate=20having=20to=20type=20it=20into=20web=20sit=
es.
=20=20Josh

=20=20sent=20from=20my=20Apex
=20=20Email:=20joshkart12 at gmail.com

=20=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Mike=20Freeman=20<k7uij at panix.com
=20=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=

=20=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2021=20May=202011=2021:31:34=20-0700
=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20Future=20of=20Nemeth?

=20=20Computer=20Braille=20is=20an=20abomination=20--=20but=20I=20use=20it.=

=20=20Mike=20Freeman
=20=20sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20=20On=20May=2021,=202011,=20at=2013:58,=20"Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20=
at=20Home"
=20=20<ntorcolini at wavecable.com>=20wrote:

=20=20=20*NO.*
=20=20=20Problems=20with=20people=20trying=20to=20use=20a=20mixture=20of=20=
Computer
=20=20Braille=20and=20Nemeth=20is=20the=20very=20reason=20that=20I=20starte=
d=20this
=20thread.

=20=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Jorge=20Paez"
=20=20<computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
=20=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20=
list"
=20=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20=20Sent:=20Saturday,=20May=2021,=202011=201:29=20PM
=20=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20Future=20of=20Nemeth?

=20=20=20Well,
=20=20=20could=20we=20perhaps=20fuze=20the=20standards=20for=20Nemith=20and=
=20computer
=20=20braille?
=20=20=20Make=20it=20just=20one=20code?

=20=20=20On=20May=2021,=202011,=20at=202:06=20PM,=20Mike=20Freeman=20wrote:=

=20=20=20Given=20the=20paucity=20of=20dot=20combinations=20available=20in=20=
Braille,
=20such
=20=20a=20goal=20is=20a=20pipe-dream=20unless=20so=20many=20indicators=20an=
d=20modifiers
=20=20are=20used=20that=20the=20code=20becomes=20unwieldy.

=20=20=20Mike=20Freeman
=20=20=20sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20=20=20On=20May=2020,=202011,=20at=2022:25,=20Greg=20Aikens=20<gpaikens at g=
mail.com
=20=20wrote:

=20=20=20Hi=20Chris,
=20=20=20I=20think=20the=20point=20you=20make=20is=20the=20idea=20behind=20=
a=20unified=20code.
=20=20In=20print,=20different=20symbols=20are=20used=20for=20math=20and=20f=
or=20letters.
=20=20In=20braille,=20we=20use=20the=20same=20symbols=20to=20represent=20bo=
th=20math=20and
=20=20letters=20depending=20on=20context.=20=20The=20unified=20system=20wou=
ld
=20=20theoretically=20eliminate=20much=20of=20the=20need=20for=20context=20=
to
=20determine
=20=20what=20a=20text=20says,=20making=20it=20more=20like=20print.

=20=20=20The=20appeal=20of=20a=20unified=20code=20is=20that=20there=20is=20=
only=20one=20code=20to
=20=20learn,=20instead=20of=20learning=20one=20code=20for=20reading,=20one=
=20for=20math,
=20=20and=20one=20for=20computer=20symbols.=20=20Computer=20braille,=20for=
=20example,=20
is
=20=20rather=20clunky=20and=20unwieldy.

=20=20=20I=20don't=20really=20have=20a=20strong=20opinion=20about=20whether=
=20a=20unified
=20=20code=20would=20be=20better=20than=20the=20current=20systems=20used.=20=
=20But=20having
=20=20one=20code=20does=20seem=20like=20it=20might=20simplify=20things.

=20=20=20Just=20my=20thoughts,
=20=20=20Greg

=20=20=20On=20May=2020,=202011,=20at=203:19=20PM,=20?=EA=B5=8Dis=20Nusbaum=
=20wrote:

=20=20=20Hi=20Greg,

=20=20=20My=20only=20counterpoint=20to=20that=20suggestion=20(which=20is=20=
a=20good=20one,
=20=20don't=20get=20me=20wrong)=20is=20that=20there=20are=20different=20sym=
bols=20for
=20=20literary=20and=20math=20print=20as=20far=20as=20I=20know.=20=20In=20p=
rint,=20there=20are
=20=20different=20symbols=20for=20different=20operations=20in=20math=20than=
=20they=20
are
=20=20in=20Nemeth.=20=20If=20anyone=20is=20a=20Braille/print=20expert=20her=
e=20or=20is
=20=20affiliated=20with=20BANA,=20could=20you=20confirm=20or=20clarify=20th=
is=20for=20me?

=20=20=20Chris

=20=20=20"A=20loss=20of=20sight,=20never=20a=20loss=20of=20vision!"=20(Camp=
=20Abilities
=20=20motto)

=20=20=20---=20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote

=20=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20=20From:=20Greg=20Aikens=20<gpaikens at gmail.com
=20=20=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20l=
ist
=20=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20=20Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2020=20May=202011=2007:43:53=20-0500
=20=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20Future=20of=20Nemeth?

=20=20=20Actually,=20Dr.=20=20Nemeth=20has=20continued=20to=20update=20and=
=20change=20the
=20=20code,=20trying=20to=20integrate=20it=20as=20seamlessly=20as=20possibl=
e=20with
=20=20literary=20braille.=20=20I=20would=20be=20surprised=20if=20he=20would=
=20be=20offended
=20=20by=20a=20discussion=20of=20the=20future=20of=20his=20code.=20=20Admit=
tedly,=20I=20have
=20=20not=20followed=20the=20threads=20talking=20about=20the=20future=20of=
=20braille,=20
so
=20=20I=20probably=20don't=20understand=20the=20context=20for=20Joshua's=20=
reaction
=20=20here.=20=20I=20do=20think=20its=20good=20to=20think=20critically=20ab=
out=20how=20tools
=20=20can=20be=20improved=20and=20better=20used=20in=20general=20though.

=20=20=20As=20far=20as=20the=20original=20question,=20I=20do=20hope=20that=
=20some=20kind=20of
=20=20unified=20braille=20system=20will=20be=20adopted=20in=20the=20U.S.=20=
=20which
=20=20integrates=20math=20and=20literary=20braille.=20=20This=20seems=20lik=
e=20a
=20=20challenging=20problem=20to=20solve,=20and=20widespread=20adoption=20o=
f=20a=20new
=20=20code=20will=20take=20quite=20a=20while,=20but=20fortunately=20better=
=20minds=20than
=20=20mine,=20such=20as=20Dr.=20=20Nemeth,=20have=20started=20working=20on=
=20this=20
problem.

=20=20=20-Greg

=20=20=20On=20May=2019,=202011,=20at=2011:30=20PM,=20Joshua=20Lester=20wrot=
e:

=20=20=20i=20had=20the=20honor=20of=20meeting=20Dr.=20=20Nemeth,=20last=20y=
ear,=20in=20Dallas.
=20=20=20I'm=20sure=20he'd=20hate=20to=20hear=20of=20us=20talking=20about=20=
his=20code,=20being
=20=20=20changed,=20or=20it=20becoming=20obsilete.
=20=20=20Nemeth=20Code=20will=20stay=20around!
=20=20=20I=20learned=20math,=20with=20it,=20and=20it's=20the=20way=20to=20g=
o!
=20=20=20Blessings,=20Joshua

=20=20=20On=205/19/11,=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>=20wr=
ote:
=20=20=20I'm=20with=20Mike=20here.=20=20Nemeth=20is=20absolutely=20brillian=
t-probably
=20the
=20=20main
=20=20=20reason=20(aside=20from=20awesome=20tutors)=20I=20was=20able=20to=20=
pass=20college
=20=20Algebra.

=20=20=20On=205/19/11,=20Mike=20Freeman=20<k7uij at panix.com>=20wrote:
=20=20=20It'll=20stay=20around=20if=20I=20have=20anything=20to=20do=20with=
=20it.

=20=20=20Mike

=20=20=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20=20=20From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
=20=20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On
=20=20=20Behalf
=20=20=20Of=20Nicole=20B.=20=20Torcolini=20at=20Home
=20=20=20Sent:=20Thursday,=20May=2019,=202011=207:53=20PM
=20=20=20To:=20NABS-L
=20=20=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20Future=20of=20Nemeth?

=20=20=20Many=20people=20have=20been=20talking=20about=20the=20future=20of=
=20Braille=20in
=20=20general.=20=20What
=20=20=20about=20the=20future=20of=20Nemeth?
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