[nabs-l] NBA basketball
Jorge Paez
computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
Tue May 3 11:43:29 UTC 2011
Are the celtix still in?
On May 3, 2011, at 1:23 AM, dsmithnfb at gmail.com wrote:
> Go sharks! * smile*
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 2, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So...how bout them Grizlies? ;)
>>
>> On 5/2/11, humberto <humbertoa5369 at netzero.net> wrote:
>>> Let's change the subject line now, shall we? * smile *
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:35:18 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>
>>>> Hey Kirt:
>>>
>>>> The Mavericks blitzed the Trailblazers so NBA is of no use to me
>>> anymore
>>>> this year. (grin)
>>>
>>>> Now if the Washington Capitals can knock off the Tampa Bay
>>> Lightning in the
>>>> NHL so we can in the end have a Capitals Canuks Stanley Cup Final
>>> .. Now
>>>> there's something to care about! :-)
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Kirt Manwaring
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:18 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>> Very, very well said. Except for the bit about no ultimate
>>> meaning except
>>>> for what we make of life (which, really, is kind of beyond the
>>> scope of this
>>>> meaningless conversation), I totally agree with you.
>>>> Blindness is sometimes a pain in the ass, sometimes it really
>>> makes no
>>>> difference to life one way or another. I guess the only benefit
>>> blindness
>>>> has ever given me is the opportunity to meet some friends who I
>>> would
>>>> otherwise never have known. Other than that, if I'm weighing
>>> pros and cons
>>>> in my own life, blindness isn't really much of a good thing or a
>>> bad
>>>> thing...it's just kind of there. It's certainly not a good
>>> thing, I don't
>>>> think-but it's not really that bad either.
>>>> At any rate, there's plenty more important things to worry
>>> about...like the
>>>> NBA playoffs! :) Go Grizleys! (I kind of adopted them as my
>>> team after
>>>> they upset the spurs-can you say bandwagon fan?)
>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>> Kirt
>>>
>>>> On 5/2/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>> Chris:
>>>
>>>>> I agree with you. I did not, in fact, say that diversity could
>>> be
>>>>> negative although I dare say that quite a number of high school
>>> kids
>>>>> trying to "fit in" might think so. In fact, to my way of
>>> thinking,
>>>>> physical diversity is neutral. Intellectual diversity is
>>> certainly an
>>>>> advantage. As for negative diversity -- let's see -- how about
>>> the
>>>>> presence of diseases such as sickle-cell anemia? After all, the
>>> genes
>>>>> that code for this disease also confer some immunity to malaria.
>>> Yet
>>>>> few would disagree with those who seek to cure or eliminate this
>>> disease.
>>>
>>>>> Now I'm not saying blindness is a disease. It is a physical
>>> condition
>>>>> resulting from the lack of one sense -- vision. That's far from
>>> being
>>>>> a disease in my book. But I don't believe blindness confers any
>>>>> advantages, either.
>>>
>>>>> Perhaps a sentence or two about my view of life might help you
>>> to
>>>>> understand where I'm coming from -- it's a view that Jedi does
>>> not
>>>>> subscribe to. Long live diversity, eh? Anyway, I am agnostic.
>>>>> Therefore, I do not believe there is any meaning in life apart
>>> from
>>>>> the meaning we give it by our own actions. Nor do I believe
>>> there is
>>>>> an ultimate purpose to existence except insofar as we overlay it
>>> with a
>>>> gloss of meaning of our own making.
>>>>> Therefore, questions such as "why am I here? Why was I blind?
>>> What
>>>>> purpose does my blindness serve in the larger scheme of things?"
>>> have
>>>>> no answers and, in fact, make no sense to even ask. It's sort
>>> of like
>>>>> in quantum mechanics where it makes no sense to ask whether an
>>>>> electron is a wave or a particle.
>>>
>>>>> Anyway, with that world view in mind and bearing in mind that I
>>>>> subscribe to the NFB notion that with training and opportunity,
>>>>> blindness can be reduced to the level of a physical
>>> inconvenience and
>>>>> that we, the blind, are simply normal people who cannot see, I
>>> do not
>>>>> see that having blind people around confers some special
>>> blessing on
>>>>> society. Blindness is just that -- the lack of sight. I do not
>>>>> believe that it renders us privy to special insights, miraculous
>>>>> talents or capacities or special cultural predilections. I am
>>>>> therefore not committed to its preservation. Neither, on the
>>> other
>>>>> hand, am I committed to its eradication. If it happens, so be
>>> it. If
>>>>> it does not, so be it. I'm not going to worry overly-much about
>>> it
>>>>> since it won't happen in my lifetime and there will be
>>> innumerable
>>>> circumstances I cannot foresee so cannot make a binding judgment
>>> upon.
>>>
>>>>> Bottom line: I don't see how we can say that blindness is just
>>> the
>>>>> lack of eyesight while at the same time believing it confers
>>> special
>>>>> virtues or valuable traits for society. I truly do not believe
>>>>> blindness to be all that much of a muchness. Sometimes it's a
>>> pain;
>>>> sometimes it's just there.
>>>>> In my experience, it's never the catalyst for wisdom or
>>> enlightenment.
>>>
>>>>> Now that I've written this to death, on to the next issue!
>>> (smile)
>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:55 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>
>>>>> Being Devil's advocate, what negativity does diversity have?
>>>>> Diversity, by definition, isn't good nor bad, but just
>>> different.
>>>>> So, what is the negative impact of diversity on... who,
>>> society?
>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>>> motto)
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 1 May 2011 21:25:10 -0700
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>
>>>>> That presumes that diversity always equals benefit. You and I
>>> are
>>>>> going to have to differ on this one.
>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>
>>>>> I say that disability is a form of diversity, so I wouldn't want
>>> to
>>>>> erase it.
>>>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Jedi
>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>>> This is an interesting discussion, so I thought I'd pop in for
>>> a minute.
>>>
>>>>> This question goes, at the root of it, to how you view
>>> disability.
>>>>> If you view it as an aspect that creates diversity, then
>>> erasing it
>>>>> would be like erasing races or different languages. If you
>>> view
>>>>> disability as a disease, then logically the first response
>>> would be to
>>>> want to cure it.
>>>
>>>>> What do you guys think?
>>>
>>>>> Briley
>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Arielle:
>>>>> I think blindness does play a roll--in that it is just one of
>>> many
>>>>> things that make up an individual, and in a world where genetics
>>>>> would be preprogramed, it just be too perfect.
>>>>> It'd just bee too flawless--too artificial.
>>>>> I'm sure some people would want it--but a world in which
>>> blindness
>>>>> and other disabilities are completely eradicated would just be
>>> too
>>>>> artificial, almost like we literally managed to create our own
>>> world in a
>>>> way.
>>>
>>>>> Worse, it would make it a whole lot worse for any blind who
>>> were born
>>>>> cause then everyone would consider them a scientific failure so
>>> to speak.
>>>>> Of course,
>>>>> I'm hypothetically talking about a very cold world in which
>>> science
>>>>> would create people which I hope would never happen but its a
>>> good
>>>>> talking point anyway.
>>>
>>>>> Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 12:08 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>>> We recently had a discussion about how we would react if some
>>> of our
>>>>> blind friends could become sighted, and we asked whether it
>>> would be
>>>>> reasonable for a sighted person to want to go blind. This made
>>> me
>>>>> think of an interesting, although a bit painful, question:
>>>>> Would the world be better off, worse off, or about the same if
>>>>> blindness were completely eradicated, through genetic
>>> engineering
>>>>> and/or mandatory treatment of all causes of blindness?
>>>>> The question may sound silly, but for many vision researchers,
>>>>> eradication of blindness is a real goal. But does the presence
>>> of
>>>>> blind people in our society have any benefit to the society or
>>> the world
>>>> as a whole?
>>>
>>>>> Certainly there are costs of having a small group of people in
>>>>> society who read and travel using different techniques than the
>>> rest.
>>>>> These specialized techniques have to be taught, technology has
>>> to be
>>>>> adapted to their use and negative public attitudes prevent this
>>>>> minority of people who do things differently from having full
>>> access
>>>>> to societal goods and opportunities. So would it be cheaper
>>> and less
>>>>> resource-demanding if everybody could use the same visual
>>> techniques to
>>>> accomplish life tasks?
>>>>> On the other hand, you could perhaps argue that having people
>>> who
>>>>> use different senses to do things in society is advantageous.
>>>>> Technology is forced to innovate to become usable by those who
>>> don't
>>>>> have vision as well as those who do. And conceivably, if a
>>> darkness
>>>>> plague struck the planet, it would be better for the species if
>>> some
>>>>> of its members could fully function without light.
>>>
>>>>> What do you think? Should we as a society make an effort to get
>>> rid
>>>>> of blindness? Or does blindness serve any kind of social
>>> function?
>>>>> There obviously isn't a right answer here, but it's something
>>> that,
>>>>> for better or for worse, could become relevant to us someday.
>>>
>>>>> Arielle
>>>
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