[nabs-l] NBA basketball

Tue May 3 16:39:10 UTC 2011

Yeah-they're playing the Heat in the second round, lost by 9 in their
first game.  I'm actually kind of pulling for them cause the Heat need
to lose.

On 5/3/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are the celtix still in?
>
>
> On May 3, 2011, at 1:23 AM, dsmithnfb at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Go sharks! * smile*
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 2, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So...how bout them Grizlies?  ;)
>>>
>>> On 5/2/11, humberto <humbertoa5369 at netzero.net> wrote:
>>>> Let's change the subject line now, shall we? * smile *
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:35:18 -0700
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Kirt:
>>>>
>>>>> The Mavericks blitzed the Trailblazers so NBA is of no use to me
>>>> anymore
>>>>> this year. (grin)
>>>>
>>>>> Now if the Washington Capitals can knock off the Tampa Bay
>>>> Lightning in the
>>>>> NHL so we can in the end have a Capitals Canuks Stanley Cup Final
>>>> .. Now
>>>>> there's something to care about! :-)
>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Kirt Manwaring
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:18 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> Very, very well said.  Except for the bit about no ultimate
>>>> meaning except
>>>>> for what we make of life (which, really, is kind of beyond the
>>>> scope of this
>>>>> meaningless conversation), I totally agree with you.
>>>>> Blindness is sometimes a pain in the ass, sometimes it really
>>>> makes no
>>>>> difference to life one way or another.  I guess the only benefit
>>>> blindness
>>>>> has ever given me is the opportunity to meet some friends who I
>>>> would
>>>>> otherwise never have known.  Other than that, if I'm weighing
>>>> pros and cons
>>>>> in my own life, blindness isn't really much of a good thing or a
>>>> bad
>>>>> thing...it's just kind of there.  It's certainly not a good
>>>> thing, I don't
>>>>> think-but it's not really that bad either.
>>>>> At any rate, there's plenty more important things to worry
>>>> about...like the
>>>>> NBA playoffs!  :)  Go Grizleys!  (I kind of adopted them as my
>>>> team after
>>>>> they upset the spurs-can you say bandwagon fan?)
>>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>>> Kirt
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/2/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris:
>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you.  I did not, in fact, say that diversity could
>>>> be
>>>>>> negative although I dare say that quite a number of high school
>>>> kids
>>>>>> trying to "fit in" might think so.  In fact, to my way of
>>>> thinking,
>>>>>> physical diversity is neutral.  Intellectual diversity is
>>>> certainly an
>>>>>> advantage.  As for negative diversity -- let's see -- how about
>>>> the
>>>>>> presence of diseases such as sickle-cell anemia?  After all, the
>>>> genes
>>>>>> that code for this disease also confer some immunity to malaria.
>>>> Yet
>>>>>> few would disagree with those who seek to cure or eliminate this
>>>> disease.
>>>>
>>>>>> Now I'm not saying blindness is a disease.  It is a physical
>>>> condition
>>>>>> resulting from the lack of one sense -- vision.  That's far from
>>>> being
>>>>>> a disease in my book.  But I don't believe blindness confers any
>>>>>> advantages, either.
>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps a sentence or two about my view of life might help you
>>>> to
>>>>>> understand where I'm coming from -- it's a view that Jedi does
>>>> not
>>>>>> subscribe to.  Long live diversity, eh?  Anyway, I am agnostic.
>>>>>> Therefore, I do not believe there is any meaning in life apart
>>>> from
>>>>>> the meaning we give it by our own actions.  Nor do I believe
>>>> there is
>>>>>> an ultimate purpose to existence except insofar as we overlay it
>>>> with a
>>>>> gloss of meaning of our own making.
>>>>>> Therefore, questions such as "why am I here?  Why was I blind?
>>>> What
>>>>>> purpose does my blindness serve in the larger scheme of things?"
>>>> have
>>>>>> no answers and, in fact, make no sense to even ask.  It's sort
>>>> of like
>>>>>> in quantum mechanics where it makes no sense to ask whether an
>>>>>> electron is a wave or a particle.
>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, with that world view in mind and bearing in mind that I
>>>>>> subscribe to the NFB notion that with training and opportunity,
>>>>>> blindness can be reduced to the level of a physical
>>>> inconvenience and
>>>>>> that we, the blind, are simply normal people who cannot see, I
>>>> do not
>>>>>> see that having blind people around confers some special
>>>> blessing on
>>>>>> society.  Blindness is just that -- the lack of sight.  I do not
>>>>>> believe that it renders us privy to special insights, miraculous
>>>>>> talents or capacities or special cultural predilections.  I am
>>>>>> therefore not committed to its preservation.  Neither, on the
>>>> other
>>>>>> hand, am I committed to its eradication.  If it happens, so be
>>>> it.  If
>>>>>> it does not, so be it.  I'm not going to worry overly-much about
>>>> it
>>>>>> since it won't happen in my lifetime and there will be
>>>> innumerable
>>>>> circumstances I cannot foresee so cannot make a binding judgment
>>>> upon.
>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line: I don't see how we can say that blindness is just
>>>> the
>>>>>> lack of eyesight while at the same time believing it confers
>>>> special
>>>>>> virtues or valuable traits for society.  I truly do not believe
>>>>>> blindness to be all that much of a muchness.  Sometimes it's a
>>>> pain;
>>>>> sometimes it's just there.
>>>>>> In my experience, it's never the catalyst for wisdom or
>>>> enlightenment.
>>>>
>>>>>> Now that I've written this to death, on to the next issue!
>>>> (smile)
>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:55 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>>
>>>>>> Being Devil's advocate, what negativity does diversity have?
>>>>>> Diversity, by definition, isn't good nor bad, but just
>>>> different.
>>>>>> So, what is the negative impact of diversity on...  who,
>>>> society?
>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>
>>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>>>> motto)
>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 1 May 2011 21:25:10 -0700
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>>
>>>>>> That presumes that diversity always equals benefit.  You and I
>>>> are
>>>>>> going to have to differ on this one.
>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] If the World Went Sighted..
>>>>
>>>>>> I say that disability is a form of diversity, so I wouldn't want
>>>> to
>>>>>> erase it.
>>>>
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Jedi
>>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>>>> This is an interesting discussion, so I thought I'd pop in for
>>>> a minute.
>>>>
>>>>>> This question goes, at the root of it, to how you view
>>>> disability.
>>>>>> If  you view it as an aspect that creates diversity, then
>>>> erasing it
>>>>>> would  be like erasing races or different languages.  If you
>>>> view
>>>>>> disability  as a disease, then logically the first response
>>>> would be to
>>>>> want to cure it.
>>>>
>>>>>> What do you guys think?
>>>>
>>>>>> Briley
>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Arielle:
>>>>>> I think blindness does play a roll--in that it is just one of
>>>> many
>>>>>> things that make up an individual, and in a world where genetics
>>>>>> would be preprogramed, it just be too perfect.
>>>>>> It'd just bee too flawless--too artificial.
>>>>>> I'm sure some people would want it--but a world in which
>>>> blindness
>>>>>> and other disabilities are completely eradicated would just be
>>>> too
>>>>>> artificial, almost like we literally managed to create our own
>>>> world in a
>>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>>>> Worse, it would make it a whole lot worse for any blind who
>>>> were born
>>>>>> cause then everyone would consider them a scientific failure so
>>>> to speak.
>>>>>> Of course,
>>>>>> I'm hypothetically talking about a very cold  world in which
>>>> science
>>>>>> would create people which I hope would never happen but its a
>>>> good
>>>>>> talking  point anyway.
>>>>
>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 12:08 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>>> We recently had a discussion about how we would react if some
>>>> of our
>>>>>> blind friends could become sighted, and we asked whether it
>>>> would be
>>>>>> reasonable for a sighted person to want to go blind.  This made
>>>> me
>>>>>> think of an interesting, although a bit painful, question:
>>>>>> Would the world be better off, worse off, or about the same if
>>>>>> blindness were completely eradicated, through genetic
>>>> engineering
>>>>>> and/or mandatory treatment of all causes of blindness?
>>>>>> The question may sound silly, but for many vision researchers,
>>>>>> eradication of blindness is a real goal.  But does the presence
>>>> of
>>>>>> blind people in our society have any benefit to the society or
>>>> the  world
>>>>> as a whole?
>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly there are costs of having a small group of people in
>>>>>> society who read and travel using different techniques than the
>>>> rest.
>>>>>> These specialized techniques have to be taught, technology has
>>>> to be
>>>>>> adapted to their use and negative public attitudes prevent  this
>>>>>> minority of people who do things differently from having full
>>>> access
>>>>>> to societal goods and opportunities.  So would it be cheaper
>>>> and less
>>>>>> resource-demanding if everybody could use the same visual
>>>> techniques to
>>>>> accomplish life tasks?
>>>>>> On the other hand, you could perhaps argue that having people
>>>> who
>>>>>> use different senses to do things in society is advantageous.
>>>>>> Technology is forced to innovate to become usable by those who
>>>> don't
>>>>>> have vision as well as those who do.  And conceivably, if a
>>>> darkness
>>>>>> plague struck the planet, it would be better for the species if
>>>> some
>>>>>> of its members could fully function without light.
>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think? Should we as a society make an effort to get
>>>> rid
>>>>>> of blindness? Or does blindness serve any kind of social
>>>> function?
>>>>>> There obviously isn't a right answer here, but it's something
>>>> that,
>>>>>> for better or for worse, could become relevant to us someday.
>>>>
>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>
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