[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
ntorcolini at wavecable.com
Sat May 21 20:58:26 UTC 2011
*NO.*
Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer Braille and Nemeth
is the very reason that I started this thread.
----- Original Message -----
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Well,
could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer braille?
Make it just one code?
On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille, such a goal is
> a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers are used that the
> code becomes unwieldy.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code. In print,
>> different symbols are used for math and for letters. In braille, we use
>> the same symbols to represent both math and letters depending on context.
>> The unified system would theoretically eliminate much of the need for
>> context to determine what a text says, making it more like print.
>>
>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to learn,
>> instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, and one for
>> computer symbols. Computer braille, for example, is rather clunky and
>> unwieldy.
>>
>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code would
>> be better than the current systems used. But having one code does seem
>> like it might simplify things.
>>
>> Just my thoughts,
>> Greg
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Greg,
>>>
>>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, don't get
>>> me wrong) is that there are different symbols for literary and math
>>> print as far as I know. In print, there are different symbols for
>>> different operations in math than they are in Nemeth. If anyone is a
>>> Braille/print expert here or is affiliated with BANA, could you confirm
>>> or clarify this for me?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>
>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>> Actually, Dr. Nemeth has continued to update and change the code,
>>> trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with literary braille.
>>> I would be surprised if he would be offended by a discussion of the
>>> future of his code. Admittedly, I have not followed the threads talking
>>> about the future of braille, so I probably don't understand the context
>>> for Joshua's reaction here. I do think its good to think critically
>>> about how tools can be improved and better used in general though.
>>>
>>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of unified
>>> braille system will be adopted in the U.S. which integrates math and
>>> literary braille. This seems like a challenging problem to solve, and
>>> widespread adoption of a new code will take quite a while, but
>>> fortunately better minds than mine, such as Dr. Nemeth, have started
>>> working on this problem.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>
>>> i had the honor of meeting Dr. Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm with Mike here. Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the main
>>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college Algebra.
>>>
>>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
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>>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
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>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in general.
>>> What
>>> about the future of Nemeth?
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