[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sat May 21 20:58:26 UTC 2011

*NO.*
Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer  Braille and Nemeth 
is the very reason that I started this thread.

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Well,
could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer braille?
Make it just one code?

On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:

> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille, such a goal is 
> a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers are used that the 
> code becomes unwieldy.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In print, 
>> different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In braille, we use 
>> the same symbols to represent both math and letters depending on context. 
>> The unified system would theoretically eliminate much of the need for 
>> context to determine what a text says, making it more like print.
>>
>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to learn, 
>> instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, and one for 
>> computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is rather clunky and 
>> unwieldy.
>>
>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code would 
>> be better than the current systems used.  But having one code does seem 
>> like it might simplify things.
>>
>> Just my thoughts,
>> Greg
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Greg,
>>>
>>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, don't get 
>>> me wrong) is that there are different symbols for literary and math 
>>> print as far as I know.  In print, there are different symbols for 
>>> different operations in math than they are in Nemeth.  If anyone is a 
>>> Braille/print expert here or is affiliated with BANA, could you confirm 
>>> or clarify this for me?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>
>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the code, 
>>> trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with literary braille. 
>>> I would be surprised if he would be offended by a discussion of the 
>>> future of his code.  Admittedly, I have not followed the threads talking 
>>> about the future of braille, so I probably don't understand the context 
>>> for Joshua's reaction here.  I do think its good to think critically 
>>> about how tools can be improved and better used in general though.
>>>
>>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of unified 
>>> braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which integrates math and 
>>> literary braille.  This seems like a challenging problem to solve, and 
>>> widespread adoption of a new code will take quite a while, but 
>>> fortunately better minds than mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started 
>>> working on this problem.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>
>>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the main
>>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college Algebra.
>>>
>>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
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>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>
>>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in general. 
>>> What
>>> about the future of Nemeth?
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