[nabs-l] online college vs classroom instruction

Josh Gregory joshkart12 at gmail.com
Sun May 22 00:11:20 UTC 2011


Kirt, good points.  How are you finding the online classes? Do 
you use a screen reader, BrailleNote, things like that for them?
Josh

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
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Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 16:17:22 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] online college vs classroom instruction

Chris,
  If you don't know who your partner is until you swap papers, 
just
have them read you the dang thing.  If, however, it's 
pre-arranged (as
it is a lot of the time) you can often ask them to send you a 
copy in
word, rtf, etc.  This also works for those situations where 
you're
supposed to peer review something for homework.
  Josh, Ashley does bring up some good points.  But don't you 
dare let
that discourage you from doing what you want to do.  Online 
classes
can be very accessible, I'm in one right now and it's amazing.  
You'd
know more about wheelchair access than me, but I've made some 
good
friends who use wheelchairs on my campus (BYU) and they do great.  
I
think sometimes we have the tendancy, and I'm not saying Ashley 
was
remiss because she brought up some great points, but I think 
sometimes
we have the tendancy to look at something, say there are 
accessibility
challenges, and then ignore that thing because it won't be easy.
Either way you'll have accessibility issues-life, quite frankly, 
will
often be inaccessible.  That doesn't mean you don't go the extra 
mile
and do what you need to do.
  I'm not mocking your questions.  But be ready for a difficult 
road
through college, no matter if you do most classes online or spend 
the
bulk of your time in traditional classes.  Buckle up, it's not 
going
to be easy.  My recommendation, not knowing a thing about 
personal
factors you aren't telling us, is that you take most of your 
classes
on campus.  It'll give you an experience of being away from home, 
if
you're anything like me it'll make you get better travel skills, 
and
it's the route most people take.  But that doesn't mean online 
classes
are bad, or that they aren't a good option-I'm probably going to 
take
more because of the great experience I'm having with it now.
  Best of luck,
Kirt

On 5/21/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:
 Chris:
 What I do is ask my friends to read their papers too me, and I 
can correct
 any grammar/phrasing issues that way.
 I  usually either have a copy of my paper printed,
 or if the teacher is aware that we're peer editing,
 she'll usually  have a print copy ready for me when I get to 
class to share
 with the other students.

 Jorge


 On May 21, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:

 Ashley,

 You bring up an interesting issue.  My middle school, too does 
peer
 editing of papers, where we hook up with a partner and read and 
make
 revisions to each other's handwritten rough drafts before we 
type them for
 our final copy.  But if you're mainstreamed in a class with 
sighted
 people, how do you handle those situations? I have to resort to 
a reader
 because my instructional assistant wouldn't have time to scan 
and Braille
 it.  But are there ways that you all handle these peer editing 
times
 independently? Do you request your partner's paper ahead of time 
and scan
 it into Kurzweil or OpenBook? Will those OCR softwares scan 
handwritten
 materials? In college, are even rough drafts typed into a 
computer, so you
 ask your partner to email their draft to you? I would be 
interested to
 hear all of your strategies! By the way, I hope to see many of 
you on the
 call tomorrow!

 Chris

 "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities 
motto)

 --- Sent from my BrailleNote

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 From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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 Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 00:16:41 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] online college vs classroom instruction

 Josh,
 You have a lot to consider with being a student coupled with the
 wheelchair.
 I went to the traditional classroom all through college.  I went 
to a big
 state run school and then transferred to a smaller private 
school,
 Marymount
 university.
 No, online college is not more accessible.  Things like the 
discussion
 board
 on Blackboard are problematic, so are the quizzes.
 I tried an online class this semester and was very disappointed.  
Its
 partly
 my learning style.  I didn't know what was important to extract 
from the
 text
 without a class lecture.  I wasn't sure what to study for the 
test.
 Assignments seemed a bit ambiguous with the instructions.  I 
just was
 never
 sure what the professor expected.

 What do you want from college? If you want the social aspect, 
the
 independence and living away from home, the increased freedom, 
the ability
 to just go where you want on campus such as a friend's room late 
at night
 to
 hang out, then stay on campus.  Oh, another thing on campus its 
easier to
 see your professors, if you need extra help during office hours; 
where as
 if
 you are a commuter or online, you can't get to campus as easily.
 ]
 But if you just want the academics, then online might work.  
Also what is
 your study habits? Online classes you are more on your own.  You 
are not
 in
 class with a schedule to turn in things and you won't have 
classmates to
 study/compare work with;  what I mean is with papers, you often 
get to
 read
 each other's work and get suggestions.

 Personally, I see challenges either way.  On campus classes will 
present
 accessibility challenges since you cannot see the board or 
screen; so you
 will want the powerpoints or screen lecture notes sent to you.
 But online challenges abound because of graphics, flash content, 
and
 blackboard if your school uses it.


 Regarding access to school due to your wheelchair, I'd check 
that a lot,
 even more than the blindness accomodations.  The blindness is 
something
 minor
 to accommodate, where as physical disabilities require 
modifications to
 the
 built environment.

 Ensure you can access all classrooms with your wheel chair.  
Does the
 school
 have enough ramp access?  Does the school have enough space for 
your chair
 to wheel into class?
 The law, ADA, requires renovated buildings to be wheel chair 
accessible.
 Unfortunately, some schools including the community college, I'm 
at now,
 are
 not in ADA compliance because either they did not think of it or 
buildings
 were built prior to 1990 and were not yet renovated.

 So the law requires access, but if your school was not built 
with ADA
 accessibility in mind such as wide door ways, ramps, accessible 
restrooms,
 push buttons, etc.  you will have a hard time living and moving 
around
 campus.  So check into that.  You could even bring someone 
sighted and
 help
 you look around.  That person can check for ramps, push buttons, 
elevators
 to
 each floor, accessible restrooms, and even check the door way 
width for
 you.
 For ADA compliant wheel chair access door widths need to be 32 
inches.
 But
 again, if built before 1990 without renovations, buildings are 
not covered
 by ADA.

 HTH,
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Josh Gregory
 Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 8:25 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] online college vs classroom instruction

 Hi all,
 I'm a little curious here, what do people think on this? For us
 blind students who are about to graduate from high school soon
 (I'm a junior this year and will be a senior next) college is
 something some of us look into.  So, my question: Do people 
think
 that online college is more accessible for blind people, or
 classroom instruction? If I may ask, what have people's
 experiences been with both? What about a person who is blind and
 partially in a wheelchair such as myself, could I manage in an
 on-campus environment or would online instruction be better for
 me?
 Thanks so much,
 Josh

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