[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
Jim
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Sun May 22 06:04:22 UTC 2011
Wow. I've not seen a thread go for so long in such a long time! Wow!
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
Josh,
You pretty much had it-accept I was't writing in computer braille, I
was writing like contracted braille looks on a computer without
braille translation.
On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Explain...
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:48:22 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
> Not quite. He was writing in the Grade 2 dot combinations in the
> Computer
> Braille context, hence the context part.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>
> Me too, it was: I hate computer braille but I use it all the
> time, and he was typing in computer braille.
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:37:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
> Hahaha. If anyone did not get that, I can explain.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>
> I hate -put} brl b I use x all ! "t *smile*
>
> On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Um... can you explain that one? Personally, I find it useable.
> Even though I hate having to type it into web sites.
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 21:31:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
> Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home"
> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
> *NO.*
> Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer
> Braille and Nemeth is the very reason that I started this
> thread.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>
> Well,
> could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer
> braille?
> Make it just one code?
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>
> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille,
> such
> a goal is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers
> are used that the code becomes unwieldy.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.
> In print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.
> In braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
> letters depending on context. The unified system would
> theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to
> determine
> what a text says, making it more like print.
>
> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
> learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
> and one for computer symbols. Computer braille, for example, is
> rather clunky and unwieldy.
>
> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified
> code would be better than the current systems used. But having
> one code does seem like it might simplify things.
>
> Just my thoughts,
> Greg
>
> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, ?굍is Nusbaum wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
> don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
> literary and math print as far as I know. In print, there are
> different symbols for different operations in math than they are
> in Nemeth. If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
> affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
>
> Chris
>
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
> motto)
>
> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
> Actually, Dr. Nemeth has continued to update and change the
> code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
> literary braille. I would be surprised if he would be offended
> by a discussion of the future of his code. Admittedly, I have
> not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
> I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
> here. I do think its good to think critically about how tools
> can be improved and better used in general though.
>
> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
> unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S. which
> integrates math and literary braille. This seems like a
> challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
> code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
> mine, such as Dr. Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
>
> -Greg
>
>
> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
> i had the honor of meeting Dr. Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
> Nemeth Code will stay around!
> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
>
> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm with Mike here. Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably
> the
> main
> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
> Algebra.
>
> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
> To: NABS-L
> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
> general. What
> about the future of Nemeth?
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