[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Jim jp100 at earthlink.net
Sun May 22 06:04:22 UTC 2011


Wow.  I've not seen a thread go for so long in such a long time!  Wow!


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Josh,
  You pretty much had it-accept I was't writing in computer braille, I
was writing like contracted braille looks on a computer without
braille translation.

On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Explain...
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:48:22 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
> Not quite.  He was writing in the Grade 2 dot combinations in the
> Computer
> Braille context, hence the context part.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>
> Me too, it was: I hate computer braille but I use it all the
> time, and he was typing in computer braille.
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:37:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
> Hahaha.  If anyone did not get that, I can explain.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>
> I hate -put} brl b I use x all ! "t  *smile*
>
>  On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Um...  can you explain that one? Personally, I find it useable.
>  Even though I hate having to type it into web sites.
>  Josh
>
>  sent from my Apex
>  Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 21:31:34 -0700
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>  Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.
>
>  Mike Freeman
>  sent from my iPhone
>
>
>  On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home"
>  <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>   *NO.*
>   Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer
>  Braille and Nemeth is the very reason that I started this
> thread.
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
>  <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
>   To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>   Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:29 PM
>   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>
>   Well,
>   could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer
>  braille?
>   Make it just one code?
>
>
>
>   On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>
>   Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille,
> such
>  a goal is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers
>  are used that the code becomes unwieldy.
>
>   Mike Freeman
>   sent from my iPhone
>
>
>   On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>  wrote:
>
>   Hi Chris,
>   I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.
>  In print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.
>  In braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
>  letters depending on context.  The unified system would
>  theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to
> determine
>  what a text says, making it more like print.
>
>   The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
>  learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
>  and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
>  rather clunky and unwieldy.
>
>   I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified
>  code would be better than the current systems used.  But having
>  one code does seem like it might simplify things.
>
>   Just my thoughts,
>   Greg
>
>   On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, ?굍is Nusbaum wrote:
>
>   Hi Greg,
>
>   My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
>  don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
>  literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
>  different symbols for different operations in math than they are
>  in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
>  affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
>
>   Chris
>
>   "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>  motto)
>
>   --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>   Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>   Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
>  code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
>  literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
>  by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
>  not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
>  I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
>  here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
>  can be improved and better used in general though.
>
>   As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
>  unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
>  integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
>  challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
>  code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
>  mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
>
>   -Greg
>
>
>   On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>   i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>   I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>   changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>   Nemeth Code will stay around!
>   I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>   Blessings, Joshua
>
>
>   On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>   I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably
> the
>  main
>   reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
>  Algebra.
>
>   On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>   It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>
>   Mike
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>  [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>   Behalf
>   Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>   Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>   To: NABS-L
>   Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>
>   Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
>  general.  What
>   about the future of Nemeth?
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