[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Nicole B. Torcolini at Home ntorcolini at wavecable.com
Sun May 22 14:46:13 UTC 2011 

Because it's way too context based. Most of the dot combinations have more 
different meanings based on context than in Grade 1 or Grade 2.

----- Original Message ----- 
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Mike:
How did that even come into being anyway?
Why can't our note takers simply understand regular Nemeth?


On May 22, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Mike Freeman wrote:

> Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
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>
> On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" 
> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> *NO.*
>> Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer  Braille and 
>> Nemeth is the very reason that I started this thread.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" 
>> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com>
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>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>>
>> Well,
>> could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer braille?
>> Make it just one code?
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille, such a goal 
>>> is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers are used that 
>>> the code becomes unwieldy.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>> sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In 
>>>> print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In 
>>>> braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and letters 
>>>> depending on context. The unified system would theoretically eliminate 
>>>> much of the need for context to determine what a text says, making it 
>>>> more like print.
>>>>
>>>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to learn, 
>>>> instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, and one for 
>>>> computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is rather clunky and 
>>>> unwieldy.
>>>>
>>>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code would 
>>>> be better than the current systems used.  But having one code does seem 
>>>> like it might simplify things.
>>>>
>>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Âris Nusbaum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>>>
>>>>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, don't 
>>>>> get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for literary and 
>>>>> math print as far as I know.  In print, there are different symbols 
>>>>> for different operations in math than they are in Nemeth.  If anyone 
>>>>> is a Braille/print expert here or is affiliated with BANA, could you 
>>>>> confirm or clarify this for me?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the code, 
>>>>> trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with literary 
>>>>> braille. I would be surprised if he would be offended by a discussion 
>>>>> of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have not followed the 
>>>>> threads talking about the future of braille, so I probably don't 
>>>>> understand the context for Joshua's reaction here.  I do think its 
>>>>> good to think critically about how tools can be improved and better 
>>>>> used in general though.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of unified 
>>>>> braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which integrates math and 
>>>>> literary braille.  This seems like a challenging problem to solve, and 
>>>>> widespread adoption of a new code will take quite a while, but 
>>>>> fortunately better minds than mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started 
>>>>> working on this problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Greg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>>>>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>>>>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>>>>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>>>>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the main
>>>>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college Algebra.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>> To: NABS-L
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in general. 
>>>>> What
>>>>> about the future of Nemeth?
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