[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Jorge Paez computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
Sun May 22 16:49:31 UTC 2011 

I meant it that way.
I literally replied in braille, just put the numbers together.

Instead of computer code I wrote in actual braille but putting numbers to stand for their corresponding dot conbinations.



On May 22, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:

> Came across as literary numbers on my notetaker's Braille display.
> 
> Chris
> 
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
> 
> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:46:09 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> 6 24 2345'234 135 13.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
> 
> "! was ? "o "t I op5$ a brf file 9 notepad, & x look$ "s?+ l ?...I'll
> stop now, sorry.
> 
> On 5/21/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Not quite.  He was writing in the Grade 2 dot combinations in the Computer
> Braille context, hence the context part.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> 
> Me too, it was: I hate computer braille but I use it all the
> time, and he was typing in computer braille.
> Josh
> 
> sent from my Apex
> Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:37:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> Hahaha.  If anyone did not get that, I can explain.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> 
> I hate -put} brl b I use x all ! "t  *smile*
> 
> On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Um...  can you explain that one? Personally, I find it useable.
> Even though I hate having to type it into web sites.
> Josh
> 
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 21:31:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home"
> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> 
> *NO.*
> Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer
> Braille and Nemeth is the very reason that I started this
> thread.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> 
> Well,
> could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer
> braille?
> Make it just one code?
> 
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
> 
> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille,
> such
> a goal is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers
> are used that the code becomes unwieldy.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.
> In print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.
> In braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
> letters depending on context.  The unified system would
> theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to
> determine
> what a text says, making it more like print.
> 
> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
> learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
> and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
> rather clunky and unwieldy.
> 
> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified
> code would be better than the current systems used.  But having
> one code does seem like it might simplify things.
> 
> Just my thoughts,
> Greg
> 
> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, ?‚ris Nusbaum wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
> don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
> literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
> different symbols for different operations in math than they are
> in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
> affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
> 
> Chris
> 
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
> motto)
> 
> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
> code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
> literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
> by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
> not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
> I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
> here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
> can be improved and better used in general though.
> 
> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
> unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
> integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
> challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
> code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
> mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
> 
> -Greg
> 
> 
> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
> 
> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
> Nemeth Code will stay around!
> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
> Blessings, Joshua
> 
> 
> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably
> the
> main
> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
> Algebra.
> 
> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
> To: NABS-L
> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
> general.  What
> about the future of Nemeth?
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