[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sun May 22 19:37:08 UTC 2011

Oh! I just decoded it! That's not even a word.

 Chris

"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)

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I meant it that way.
I literally replied in braille, just put the numbers together.

Instead of computer code I wrote in actual braille but putting 
numbers to stand for their corresponding dot conbinations.

On May 22, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:

 Came across as literary numbers on my notetaker's Braille 
display.

 Chris

 "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities 
motto)

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 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
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 Date sent: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:46:09 -0400
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 6 24 2345'234 135 13.

 On May 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:

 "! was ? "o "t I op5$ a brf file 9 notepad, & x look$ "s?+ l 
?...I'll
 stop now, sorry.

 On 5/21/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home 
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 Not quite.  He was writing in the Grade 2 dot combinations in 
the Computer
 Braille context, hence the context part.

 ----- Original Message -----
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 Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:43 PM
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 Me too, it was: I hate computer braille but I use it all the
 time, and he was typing in computer braille.
 Josh

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 Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
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 Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:37:17 -0700
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 Hahaha.  If anyone did not get that, I can explain.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
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 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

 I hate -put} brl b I use x all ! "t  *smile*

 On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Um...  can you explain that one? Personally, I find it useable.
 Even though I hate having to type it into web sites.
 Josh

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 Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
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 Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 21:31:34 -0700
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

 Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.

 Mike Freeman
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 On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home"
 <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

 *NO.*
 Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer
 Braille and Nemeth is the very reason that I started this
 thread.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
 <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
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 Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

 Well,
 could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer
 braille?
 Make it just one code?

 On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:

 Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille,
 such
 a goal is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers
 are used that the code becomes unwieldy.

 Mike Freeman
 sent from my iPhone

 On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.
 In print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.
 In braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
 letters depending on context.  The unified system would
 theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to
 determine
 what a text says, making it more like print.

 The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
 learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
 and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
 rather clunky and unwieldy.

 I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified
 code would be better than the current systems used.  But having
 one code does seem like it might simplify things.

 Just my thoughts,
 Greg

 On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, ??is Nusbaum wrote:

 Hi Greg,

 My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
 don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
 literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
 different symbols for different operations in math than they are
 in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
 affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?

 Chris

 "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
 motto)

 --- Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
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 Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

 Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
 code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
 literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
 by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
 not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
 I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
 here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
 can be improved and better used in general though.

 As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
 unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
 integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
 challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
 code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
 mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.

 -Greg

 On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:

 i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
 I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
 changed, or it becoming obsilete.
 Nemeth Code will stay around!
 I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
 I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably
 the
 main
 reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
 Algebra.

 On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
 It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.

 Mike

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 Behalf
 Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
 Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
 To: NABS-L
 Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

 Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
 general.  What
 about the future of Nemeth?
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