[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Jim jp100 at earthlink.net
Sun May 22 20:48:03 UTC 2011 

OK guys.  I am wondering if some of this stuff could be done amongst the two
or three of you, as it seems like we've strayed from this topic or at least
allowed it to go way out there.  Most of my email the past two days has been
related to this thread and sent by mainly three people.

I liked the original discussion but it's seemed to go down hill.
Thanks.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge Paez
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 1:27 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

That's a full sentence Chris.
Dot 6 by itself is capital,
the other numbers are letters.




On May 22, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:

> Oh! I just decoded it! That's not even a word.
> 
> Chris
> 
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
> 
> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 May 2011 12:49:31 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> I meant it that way.
> I literally replied in braille, just put the numbers together.
> 
> Instead of computer code I wrote in actual braille but putting numbers to
stand for their corresponding dot conbinations.
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
> 
> Came across as literary numbers on my notetaker's Braille display.
> 
> Chris
> 
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
> 
> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:46:09 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> 6 24 2345'234 135 13.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
> 
> "! was ? "o "t I op5$ a brf file 9 notepad, & x look$ "s?+ l ?...I'll
> stop now, sorry.
> 
> On 5/21/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Not quite.  He was writing in the Grade 2 dot combinations in the Computer
> Braille context, hence the context part.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Gregory" <joshkart12 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> 
> Me too, it was: I hate computer braille but I use it all the
> time, and he was typing in computer braille.
> Josh
> 
> sent from my Apex
> Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:37:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> Hahaha.  If anyone did not get that, I can explain.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirt Manwaring" <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> 
> I hate -put} brl b I use x all ! "t  *smile*
> 
> On 5/21/11, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Um...  can you explain that one? Personally, I find it useable.
> Even though I hate having to type it into web sites.
> Josh
> 
> sent from my Apex
> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 21:31:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home"
> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> 
> *NO.*
> Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer
> Braille and Nemeth is the very reason that I started this
> thread.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez"
> <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> 
> Well,
> could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer
> braille?
> Make it just one code?
> 
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
> 
> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille,
> such
> a goal is a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers
> are used that the code becomes unwieldy.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.
> In print, different symbols are used for math and for letters.
> In braille, we use the same symbols to represent both math and
> letters depending on context.  The unified system would
> theoretically eliminate much of the need for context to
> determine
> what a text says, making it more like print.
> 
> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to
> learn, instead of learning one code for reading, one for math,
> and one for computer symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is
> rather clunky and unwieldy.
> 
> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified
> code would be better than the current systems used.  But having
> one code does seem like it might simplify things.
> 
> Just my thoughts,
> Greg
> 
> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, ??is Nusbaum wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one,
> don't get me wrong) is that there are different symbols for
> literary and math print as far as I know.  In print, there are
> different symbols for different operations in math than they are
> in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print expert here or is
> affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this for me?
> 
> Chris
> 
> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
> motto)
> 
> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the
> code, trying to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with
> literary braille.  I would be surprised if he would be offended
> by a discussion of the future of his code.  Admittedly, I have
> not followed the threads talking about the future of braille, so
> I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
> here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools
> can be improved and better used in general though.
> 
> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of
> unified braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which
> integrates math and literary braille.  This seems like a
> challenging problem to solve, and widespread adoption of a new
> code will take quite a while, but fortunately better minds than
> mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this problem.
> 
> -Greg
> 
> 
> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
> 
> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
> Nemeth Code will stay around!
> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
> Blessings, Joshua
> 
> 
> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably
> the
> main
> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college
> Algebra.
> 
> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
> To: NABS-L
> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
> 
> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in
> general.  What
> about the future of Nemeth?
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