[nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

Sun May 22 20:54:35 UTC 2011

No, they do not. The only overlap is letters, dropped numbers, punctuation, 
and a few (probably less than ten) math symbols.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dezman Jackson" <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?

> The Computer Braille Code (CBC) was developed by a guy by the name of Tim
> Cranmer who incidentally also developed the Cranmer abacus.  Nemeth and 
> CBC
> definitely have a lot of overlap.  For instance, in both, the numbers are
> dropped and symbols of operation such as plus and minus are the same.
>
> I'm quite certain Dr. Nemeth would be glad to see an improved unified 
> code.
> In fact, the proposed current unified Braille code bears his name, the
> Nemeth Uniform Braille System.  Lastly, from the beginning, Dr. Nemeth and
> Cranmer have advocated for a unified system while developing their
> respective codes.
>
> Best,
> Dezman
>
> 2011/5/22 Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>
>> Well, sometimes you need it.  By the way, did Dr.  Nemeth invent computer
>> Braille, too? If not, who did?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>
>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 21 May 2011 21:31:34 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Computer Braille is an abomination -- but I use it.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On May 21, 2011, at 13:58, "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <
>> ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>> *NO.*
>> Problems with people trying to use a mixture of Computer  Braille and
>> Nemeth is the very reason that I started this thread.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" <
>> computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>>
>> Well,
>> could we perhaps fuze the standards for Nemith and computer braille?
>> Make it just one code?
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 21, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>
>> Given the paucity of dot combinations available in Braille, such a goal 
>> is
>> a pipe-dream unless so many indicators and modifiers are used that the 
>> code
>> becomes unwieldy.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 22:25, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> I think the point you make is the idea behind a unified code.  In print,
>> different symbols are used for math and for letters.  In braille, we use 
>> the
>> same symbols to represent both math and letters depending on context. 
>> The
>> unified system would theoretically eliminate much of the need for context 
>> to
>> determine what a text says, making it more like print.
>>
>> The appeal of a unified code is that there is only one code to learn,
>> instead of learning one code for reading, one for math, and one for 
>> computer
>> symbols.  Computer braille, for example, is rather clunky and unwieldy.
>>
>> I don't really have a strong opinion about whether a unified code would 
>> be
>> better than the current systems used.  But having one code does seem like 
>> it
>> might simplify things.
>>
>> Just my thoughts,
>> Greg
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 3:19 PM, 횂ris Nusbaum wrote:
>>
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>> My only counterpoint to that suggestion (which is a good one, don't get 
>> me
>> wrong) is that there are different symbols for literary and math print as
>> far as I know.  In print, there are different symbols for different
>> operations in math than they are in Nemeth.  If anyone is a Braille/print
>> expert here or is affiliated with BANA, could you confirm or clarify this
>> for me?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>
>> --- Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 07:43:53 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Actually, Dr.  Nemeth has continued to update and change the code, trying
>> to integrate it as seamlessly as possible with literary braille.  I would 
>> be
>> surprised if he would be offended by a discussion of the future of his 
>> code.
>>  Admittedly, I have not followed the threads talking about the future of
>> braille, so I probably don't understand the context for Joshua's reaction
>> here.  I do think its good to think critically about how tools can be
>> improved and better used in general though.
>>
>> As far as the original question, I do hope that some kind of unified
>> braille system will be adopted in the U.S.  which integrates math and
>> literary braille.  This seems like a challenging problem to solve, and
>> widespread adoption of a new code will take quite a while, but 
>> fortunately
>> better minds than mine, such as Dr.  Nemeth, have started working on this
>> problem.
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>>
>> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>
>> i had the honor of meeting Dr.  Nemeth, last year, in Dallas.
>> I'm sure he'd hate to hear of us talking about his code, being
>> changed, or it becoming obsilete.
>> Nemeth Code will stay around!
>> I learned math, with it, and it's the way to go!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>
>> On 5/19/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm with Mike here.  Nemeth is absolutely brilliant-probably the main
>> reason (aside from awesome tutors) I was able to pass college Algebra.
>>
>> On 5/19/11, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> It'll stay around if I have anything to do with it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:53 PM
>> To: NABS-L
>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Future of Nemeth?
>>
>> Many people have been talking about the future of Braille in general. 
>> What
>> about the future of Nemeth?
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