[nabs-l] Blindness versus other minority groups
Rania Ismail CMT
raniaismail04 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 18 16:25:39 UTC 2011
I find that yoga helps me improve my posture and after a while my muscles
and joints did start to loosen and my yoga instructor and massage therapist
did notice a change. I noticed it a little too but it took me a little
longer to notice a difference.
Rania,
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From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Andi
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:54 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness versus other minority groups
Actually you make a good point about acting and dance classes. Both are
good ways to improve nonverbal skills. Dance classes will help loosen stiff
postures and movements and acting classes will help with the facial
expressions. When I started dance classes I felt even more stiff at first
because I was thinking to hard about the movements and that is true for
sighted people as well. However as the classes went on I found myself not
only more fluid on stage and on the dance floor, but more natural looking in
everyday movements. Acting is usually exadurated expressions because of the
distence between the stage and the audionce, but if a person has atrophy
they will have to try exadurated expressions at first anyway because the
face muscles will not move as easily. The muscles will need more forse so
what seems exadurated to an atrophyed face will not really be. Eventually
as people practis the expressions will be more natural and easier. Not only
facial expressions but hand placement body stance and a lot of other little
details. I hyly recommend both dance and acting classes for anyone who
wishes to look more natural. Most people but not all who are blind from
birth have somewhat stiff and unnatural looking movements and do not realize
it because it is what they have allways done and so it feels natural to
them. I use to be like this and no one ever said anything to me about it
because it was not tarrible, but after I took dance I realized how much more
natural I walk and move now compared to then. My sister told me the same
thing, but I could actually feel the difference. I do not recommend ballet
for this, don't get me wrong it is a beautiful art form and if you are in to
that it is wonderful, but it is stiff on perpous and they train for years to
make their bodies do all sorts of unnatural things. It is not for someone
who is just wanting to have more natural movements. I recommend latten
ballroom or hip hop or even modern, Especially lattin ballroom. Acting
classes I am not as experienced with but It would defanatly be helpful. If
not a dance class a zoomba class would be good. Yoga and any marcial art is
also really helpful in this. If you do not want to join a class contact a
nonverbal comunication instructor and have that person give you facial
exercizes, but they are not easy to find. It is truly possible to override
atraphy no matter how long a person has ben out of practis but it is not
instant and it takes a lot of work on that persons part. As for the smiling
at private jokes, sighted people do it to but there is a eye movement
asociated with it that tells others it is a private thought, and the smile
is usually breef. However as long as you are not loling your head it is
probebly not that big of a deal.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness versus other minority groups
Hi Tara and all,
You make a good point about nonverbal communication. I agree that it
behooves us as blind people to actively use nonverbal communication to
express ourselves. However, I wonder how skilled someone can become at
this who has been totally blind since birth, even with practice. In
particular, I am thinking about deliberately using nonverbal signals
in emotional or stressful situations, like eye-rolling or looking
annoyed when a stranger says or does something obnoxious. I imagine we
can practice certain gestures or facial expressions, but would they
ever become automatic enough to appear without much conscious effort,
as they do for sighted people? Of course some things, like facing a
conversation partner, are easy and don't require much thought, but
other expressions are a lot more nuanced. I'm curious if any of you
who have always been blind really feel like you have developed good
control over your facial and body expressions, or if any of you have
made attempts to get better. I really do think that focused lessons
about body language should be taught to young blind children, but I
think that realistically, the task of getting someone who has always
been blind to adopt culturally shared facial expressions and gestures
routinely is a lot harder than just a simple explanation. Then again,
if this kind of education were treated like a dance or acting class,
with as much discipline and structure, maybe it could work.
Incidentally, I have noticed that if I find myself thinking about
something funny, I will pop a big smile and people will ask me what's
so funny. I'm curious if this happens to anyone else? I get the
impression that this doesn't happen to sighted people and I assume
that sighted people find themselves thinking about funny things too,
but that they just hide it better. Often I am so distracted by the
funny thought that I don't even realize I am grinning until my
attention is called to it. This is often quite awkward and
embarrassing, especially since most of the time, the funny thing I am
thinking about is just a stupid joke or something from a TV show and I
don't really feel like explaining it out loud. Can you think of a
graceful way to handle this, or to prevent it?
Best,
Arielle
On 11/15/11, Andi <adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree nonverbal comunication is so very important and I think it
> should be included in the curriculum that VI's and training centers use,
> not
> only what we want to say but also avoiding the nonverbals that say what we
> do not want to say. I use to work at a summer camp and I notice a big
> difference in the social lives of the blind kids and teens who had an
> understanding of nonverbal comunication versis the blind kids and teens
> who
> were not taught nonverbal comunication. Part of the reason sighted people
> think so badly and incorrectly about the blind is because sometimes blind
> people do not allways look compatent even though they are. I am not
> saying
> that all blind people look this way, nor am I saying that blind people who
> look compatent are never faulsly judged. I know that the sighted are
> largely ignorent to the truthe about blind people, but I think blind
> people
> also need to present themselves in a way that portrays them how they want
> to
> be seen. I know that you shouldn't care to much what other people think
> of
> you, because you can not please everyone, and you should always be true to
> yourself; however all people especially people who are already dealing
> with
> stigmas such as the blind should care to a sertain extent.
> Many blind people have atrophy in the muscles in their face. This
> means that many facial expressions are hard or in some cases impossible to
> make. When people have a blank look on their face it looks to the sighted
> like there is nothing going on upstairs. Even other sighted people get
> this
> blank look on their face sometimes but it is usually when they are dazing
> off or falling asleep. When a person has that look all the time it looks
> to
> sighted people that the blind can not have an intelligent conversation
> because you can not talk to someone who is off in space. Some Blind
> people
> go to physical tharipy to remedy this, but that is not necessary just some
> exercises at home can fix it. Also eye contact is a big part of nonverbal
> comunication. Many blind people keep their eyes closed, or look at the
> floor, or look up in the sky. That to a sighted person shows disinterest,
> bordom, or again the off in space thing depending on the rest of your body
> language accompanying the lack of eye contact. Even though we can not see
> the person we are talking to we should make eye contact. Isms such as
> rocking, poking, spinning, or flicking, are not exceptable ever as this
> looks like a cognitive impairment. At the camp their were blind kids with
> no other disability, and blind kids who also had cognitive impairments. I
> had my sighted sister come to the camp and help teach a weekend dance camp
> as she is a very skilld dancer. One teenager who is very smart by the way
> and has no other disabilities was rocking and poking while singing loudly
> at
> dinner. My sister had not yet met him and asked me how old he was
> mentally.
> Once she met him and realized he was mentally a normal teen she felt bad
> for
> asking the question, but that is how the sighted world looks at isms. The
> placement of your hands is a simple but often socially faital thing if
> placed oddly. Also the way a person stands or walks is importaint. Many
> blind people move stiffly, I am not talking a robot, but still stif
> movements can tell a sighted person something you are not trying to say.
> Depending on what you are doing with the stiff movement you can look
> either
> angry, nervous, or mocking. This is just the tip of the nonverbal
> icebirg,
> and it can make a huge difference in the way we as blind people are
> viewed.
> Also you are right about understanding the body language of others,
> and
> even though we can not see it there are ways of telling what is being said
> silently. Some actions make noise, while others have a different energy
> feel. I was told that only 7 percent of all comunication is what a person
> says, 32 percent of all comunication is tone, and 61 percent of all
> comunication is nonverbal.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tara Annis
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:20 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness versus other minority groups
>
> I think the first step in helping blind people to get their feelings
> across
> to the sighted is to understand what is considered ignorance and what is
> considered outright teasing and cruelty in public. Many of the meanest
> things are just said with one word and a lot of body language. Many
> people who hate blind people speak in a nice manner, but exhibit cruelty
> in
> their body language. I do think a lot of blind people, not all, but some,
> do
> lack discernment in this area, especially if they are blind from birth and
> a
> sighted person does not take the time to explain nonverbal communication.
> I think the first step would be for an honest sighted person to follow a
> blind person around and interpret the visual elements to the blind person,
> so that the entire picture can be analyzed for both parties. I think one
> of
> the best ways to respond to those who are ignorant, who are not attempting
> to be mean, but make offensive remarks is through body language, like
> rolling one's eyes. Most sighted people use nonverbal communication to
> show when they are irritated by another person. If the person continues
> to
> be annoying, the person will then use verbal communication. That is why
> sighted people think blind are mean for actually verbally stating their
> anger, instead of visually displaying it. I would like to see a class
> where
> advanced nonverbal communication is explained, since currently it seems
> there are just the basics taught, like facing the person you are talking
> to and shaking hands. There is not a class in how to display the various
> ways of shooing levels of discomfort, from annoyed, slightly irritated,
> somewhat irritated, to angry. Blind people need to know that sometimes it
> is
> necessary to actively create facial expressions and body movements, as
> opposed to letting one's body language depict their true feelings.
> Personally, I was surprised at the amount of communication that is
> displayed
> nonverbally, that sighted people watch me from across a large college
> campus, or from way down the street, and are making judgments about me
> from
> my appearance. Once this was explained to me, I do feel that I am more
> comfortable around sighted people, and am in control of getting my
> feelings across. The great thing about learning all this stuff is that I
> have seen the amount of ignorance I faced by sighted people diminish
> significantly. It is a 50/50 situation: blind people need to do their
> half
> of helping get rid of ignorance and sighted people need to be willing
> to
> do their half.
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