From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 16:16:46 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:16:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAhLRnctJ-1_UTPyqhK4FrSoZ8y6OMA9PyP=uXABNg_pA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have a license for JAWS 11 and just upgraded my netbook computer to
Windows 7. I don't have an SMA, so if I want to upgrade to JAWS 12 I
have to pay for it. I am running JAWS 12 in demo mode temporarily
until I decide whether or not to upgrade. In your experience, does
JAWS 11 work well with Windows 7 or is it critical to upgrade to 12 to
get the best accessibility? I have to say that in the past I have
found little benefit from upgrading, which is why I don't have an SMA
and am hesitant to spend the money unless the upgrade is really
important, so I would appreciate some honest feedback.
Also, I noticed that the technician who installed Windows 7 on my
computer also installed Internet Explorer 9. I recall some listers
saying it is not accessible with JAWS 12, but I used it just to check
email and had no problems. What exactly is inaccessible about IE 9?
Thanks!
Arielle


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  1 17:47:23 2011
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:47:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJAhLRnctJ-1_UTPyqhK4FrSoZ8y6OMA9PyP=uXABNg_pA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJAhLRnctJ-1_UTPyqhK4FrSoZ8y6OMA9PyP=uXABNg_pA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-DS16977572C17A4217FABE87BAF40@phx.gbl>

Hello Arielle,

My sister has a laptop with JAWS 11 and Windows 7 installed on it that she 
lets me use from time to time. Since I am use to using Windows XP, I had 
some problems figuring out how to use the Windows 7 operating system, but I 
did not seem to encounter any problems as far as accessibility is concerned. 
I have never heard my sister complain about any accessibility problems 
either.

however, she has not upgraded to Internet Explorer 9, so I do not know how 
well this program works with JAWS 11.

Hope this helps,
Elizabeth


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:16 PM
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7

> Hi all,
> I have a license for JAWS 11 and just upgraded my netbook computer to
> Windows 7. I don't have an SMA, so if I want to upgrade to JAWS 12 I
> have to pay for it. I am running JAWS 12 in demo mode temporarily
> until I decide whether or not to upgrade. In your experience, does
> JAWS 11 work well with Windows 7 or is it critical to upgrade to 12 to
> get the best accessibility? I have to say that in the past I have
> found little benefit from upgrading, which is why I don't have an SMA
> and am hesitant to spend the money unless the upgrade is really
> important, so I would appreciate some honest feedback.
> Also, I noticed that the technician who installed Windows 7 on my
> computer also installed Internet Explorer 9. I recall some listers
> saying it is not accessible with JAWS 12, but I used it just to check
> email and had no problems. What exactly is inaccessible about IE 9?
> Thanks!
> Arielle
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sat Oct  1 20:25:56 2011
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:25:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] iOS or Other Xcode Programming
Message-ID: <9E070C24824245139D92EDB978F982E1@stanford.edu>

If you have programmed for iOS or Mac OS X and are willing to answer a few questions about navigating XCode, please email me off list.

TIA,
Nicole

From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 22:19:00 2011
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 18:19:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <COL118-DS16977572C17A4217FABE87BAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <CALAYQJAhLRnctJ-1_UTPyqhK4FrSoZ8y6OMA9PyP=uXABNg_pA@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-DS16977572C17A4217FABE87BAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgMfi3Pn8JKdkjx6re4X3eFwMgpb8NywVvPQ1it3HggnWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arielle,
  Looking at some of the earlier threads, it seems that those who
suggested that IE 9 is not accessible got some misinformation-- JAWS
12 does work with iE 9. I doubt that JAWS 11 would work with it
though, but since IE 8 is still pretty widely available you should be
able to download and use that instead. I'm personally still using
Windows XP, but I know other blind people who are running the Windows
7 and JAWS 11 combo and have never heard any accessibility complaints.
I'm curious about your reference to a netbook computer. Is it a lot
smaller than a standard laptop? Do you use it as a secondary computer
when you are traveling, or is it pretty much your primary computing
device? What are its capabilities? I'm on the market for a new
computer so i'm just curious about what my options are. Thanks!
   Katie

On 10/1/11, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Arielle,
>
> My sister has a laptop with JAWS 11 and Windows 7 installed on it that she
> lets me use from time to time. Since I am use to using Windows XP, I had
> some problems figuring out how to use the Windows 7 operating system, but I
> did not seem to encounter any problems as far as accessibility is concerned.
> I have never heard my sister complain about any accessibility problems
> either.
>
> however, she has not upgraded to Internet Explorer 9, so I do not know how
> well this program works with JAWS 11.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Elizabeth
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:16 PM
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
>
>> Hi all,
>> I have a license for JAWS 11 and just upgraded my netbook computer to
>> Windows 7. I don't have an SMA, so if I want to upgrade to JAWS 12 I
>> have to pay for it. I am running JAWS 12 in demo mode temporarily
>> until I decide whether or not to upgrade. In your experience, does
>> JAWS 11 work well with Windows 7 or is it critical to upgrade to 12 to
>> get the best accessibility? I have to say that in the past I have
>> found little benefit from upgrading, which is why I don't have an SMA
>> and am hesitant to spend the money unless the upgrade is really
>> important, so I would appreciate some honest feedback.
>> Also, I noticed that the technician who installed Windows 7 on my
>> computer also installed Internet Explorer 9. I recall some listers
>> saying it is not accessible with JAWS 12, but I used it just to check
>> email and had no problems. What exactly is inaccessible about IE 9?
>> Thanks!
>> Arielle
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 23:41:21 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:41:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help creating a Facebook group page
Message-ID: <4e87a54e.d1ac340a.4a95.ffffd9ef@mx.google.com>

Hi Annemarie,

Actually, I'd say that if I'm understanding your client's purpose 
correctly, she'd probably be better off with a fan page.  This is 
because a group is mainly for discussion and interaction between 
people interested and involved in a certain thing.  For example, 
as a 2011 LAW Program participant, I'm in the NFB LAW Program 
2011 group on Facebook so I can interact with other participants 
and parents/chaperones at the program.  Most businesses use a fan 
page if they're only looking to post announcements for a 
business, and anyone wishing to receive such announcements is 
asked to like (or be a fan of) the page.  Fans of the page will 
only see announcements if the administrator of the page posts it 
in a status update.  If the fans want to get other updates and 
wall posts from other fans, they need to go to the fan page's 
wall and look at the recent posts.  I know that many businesses 
want to interact with their customers, but setting up a Facebook 
group would be like setting up a listserve like this one, and I 
don't think many businesses want that.  If she only wants it for 
announcements, I would suggest a page rather than a group.  If 
fans want to post comments, they can post it on the business's 
wall.  However, the choice is up to her; if she wants a group, 
she can create one, although I don't suggest it.  But I won't try 
to tell you or her what to do.  If she wants a group, I'm sorry 
but I can't be of much help, as I don't know how to create one, 
nor join one on the mobile site.  Does anyone know? There is also 
a list for blind Facebook users where you can post questions like 
this one.  To subscribe, send a blank email with the subject 
Subscribe to bfb-subscribe at yahoogroups.com.  Hope this helps!

Chris

 Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: 
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Annemarie Cooke <aec732 at msn.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:13:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help creating a Facebook group page


Please excuse cross-post; I realized that this list may be my 
best resource for my question.











I am working with a client to develop a page for her business on 
FB.  I created a page and invited people to "Like" her business 
but it seems I should have created a "Group" instead of a fan 
page as no one is able to see page updates....
Any way to re-create this Group pageusing the material already on 
the fan page?

Many thanks!
You can message me off list if that works better...
Annemarie Cooke

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 00:01:43 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 18:01:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
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References: <CALAYQJAhLRnctJ-1_UTPyqhK4FrSoZ8y6OMA9PyP=uXABNg_pA@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-DS16977572C17A4217FABE87BAF40@phx.gbl>
	<CA+6VNgMfi3Pn8JKdkjx6re4X3eFwMgpb8NywVvPQ1it3HggnWA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,
Thanks for your help. I downgraded to JAWS 11 and actually like it
slightly better than 12, at least so far. I am using JAWS 11 with IE 9
and so far having no problems.
I love my netbook and use it as my primary computer, with an old Dell
laptop running Windows XP as my secondary computer. I can run all the
applications I normally use on my netbook (all of the Microsoft Office
suite, Internet, Outlook etc.) and really don't notice the slower
processor at all. It also works fine with JAWS and with a portable
Braille display. The main advantage for me is the lightweight, compact
design, not to mention the price (I think I spent about $400 including
accessories, vs. $1000 plus for a conventional laptop). The only thing
is that I'm noticing a slight bit of slowness in the Microsoft Office
2010 applications, which I don't know if that's due to the netbook
processor, JAWS compatibility or just to my not quite having learned
the new system. So I can't comment yet on how well Windows 7 runs on a
netbook, but I can say for sure that Windows XP will run just fine on
a netbook and I would recommend a netbook to any student in need of a
new computer, especially if you are on a budget, and I think voc rehab
could save thousands of dollars if they started buying netbooks for
blind students instead of those bulkier and much more expensive
laptops. That said, if anyone has had any disappointing experiences
with netbooks or noticed problems I haven't experienced, please do
contradict my enthusiasm.
HTH,
Arielle

On 10/1/11, Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Arielle,
>   Looking at some of the earlier threads, it seems that those who
> suggested that IE 9 is not accessible got some misinformation-- JAWS
> 12 does work with iE 9. I doubt that JAWS 11 would work with it
> though, but since IE 8 is still pretty widely available you should be
> able to download and use that instead. I'm personally still using
> Windows XP, but I know other blind people who are running the Windows
> 7 and JAWS 11 combo and have never heard any accessibility complaints.
> I'm curious about your reference to a netbook computer. Is it a lot
> smaller than a standard laptop? Do you use it as a secondary computer
> when you are traveling, or is it pretty much your primary computing
> device? What are its capabilities? I'm on the market for a new
> computer so i'm just curious about what my options are. Thanks!
>    Katie
>
> On 10/1/11, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Arielle,
>>
>> My sister has a laptop with JAWS 11 and Windows 7 installed on it that she
>> lets me use from time to time. Since I am use to using Windows XP, I had
>> some problems figuring out how to use the Windows 7 operating system, but
>> I
>> did not seem to encounter any problems as far as accessibility is
>> concerned.
>> I have never heard my sister complain about any accessibility problems
>> either.
>>
>> however, she has not upgraded to Internet Explorer 9, so I do not know how
>> well this program works with JAWS 11.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:16 PM
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a license for JAWS 11 and just upgraded my netbook computer to
>>> Windows 7. I don't have an SMA, so if I want to upgrade to JAWS 12 I
>>> have to pay for it. I am running JAWS 12 in demo mode temporarily
>>> until I decide whether or not to upgrade. In your experience, does
>>> JAWS 11 work well with Windows 7 or is it critical to upgrade to 12 to
>>> get the best accessibility? I have to say that in the past I have
>>> found little benefit from upgrading, which is why I don't have an SMA
>>> and am hesitant to spend the money unless the upgrade is really
>>> important, so I would appreciate some honest feedback.
>>> Also, I noticed that the technician who installed Windows 7 on my
>>> computer also installed Internet Explorer 9. I recall some listers
>>> saying it is not accessible with JAWS 12, but I used it just to check
>>> email and had no problems. What exactly is inaccessible about IE 9?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 12:26:09 2011
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:26:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Connecting the Dots Newsletter,
	Summer and Back to School Edition!
Message-ID: <CADit0-ug0M1D5_XNaLeta6YFcDVAz_=LtOFb0jLNWPgc3JwUsg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All!
I hope you are all doing well!
Below you will find the Georgia Association of Blind Students official
newsletter, Connecting the Dots.
Thanks to Ms. Nikki Jackson who works so hard to put this newsletter
together. And thanks to all who contributed!
Enjoy

On B.L.A.S.T.

NFB Conducts Successful Protests
Across the Nation
(www.nfb.org)

The National Federation of the Blind conducted over twenty
informational protests across the United States to raise awareness
about the practice of paying wages below the federal minimum wage to
Americans with disabilities.  The protests were held on the
twenty-first anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act at the
primary district office locations of United States senators serving on
the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (the
HELP Committee).  The HELP Committee is currently considering
legislation—the Workforce Investment Act—which would reauthorize the
payment of subminimum wages to disabled workers.

Lakeisha Holmes, A student at Valdosta State University, had the
oppourtunity to participate in this historic event, while working as a
Braille instructor at the Colorado Center for the Blind’s Summer
Enrichment Program. Here is her experience in her own words:

“Equal Rights, Equal Pay, We Want Equal Wages Today!”
On the early morning of Tuesday July 26, 2011, blind and sighted
individuals from across the state of Colorado caught buses to downtown
Denver to participate in a protest that could possibly change the
lives of blind individuals across the country. We were all fighting
for the equal wages of blind working individuals. The protest started
around 10:00 AM in front of Senator Bennett's office. We all held
signs reading "Do you believe in equality or Exploitation?” As we held
our picket signs, we chanted "Equal rights, equal pay. We want equal
rights today." This was an amazing experience for me. I had never
participated in a protest before and to know I was doing it for an
amazing cause made me excited. We chanted and marched nearly two
hours. After our vocal efforts, we were hoping that a representative
would come and address the crowd. Unfortunately, we were not granted
this request. However, this did not discourage us and we knew our
efforts did not go in vain.  I am grateful to have been a part of such
an amazing event. I am also glad that I got to have this experience
alongside my wonderful Colorado Center for the Blind Summer Enrichment
students! I hope they had a great experience as I did! Because of our
protesting, the bill to vote on subminimum wages for blind individuals
was delayed and wouldn't be signed for another full month. That made
everyone involved realize that they did something amazing. Thanks to
the Colorado Center for the Blind for allowing me a chance to take
part of such an unforgettable movement.

The Opportunity Of a Lifetime
By
Mary Fernandez
	
“Oh Mary, who do you know at the White House?” At hearing those words,
my whole body perked up. Just moments ago, my biceps had been
screaming at me.  They were not used to carrying twenty pound boxes
across campus, But as I heard the question coming from a post office
worker who was peaking at my mail, I immediately forgot the pain.
Dying to know what exactly that little envelope from the White House
contained, I ran to my apartment across campus. I made it in record
time and thankfully one of my roommates was sitting in the living
room. I breathlessly greeted her and started to hand her the envelope.
Seeing the address, she did not even wait for me to ask if she could
please read it. Excitedly, she tore it open and began to read:
“The President and Mrs. Obama cordially request the pleasure of your
company at the Cinco de Mayo celebration being held at the White
House.”
After much screaming and squeaking, I began to plan for the big day.
	 Amidst my finals and moving out of college for the summer, I also
had to figure out the all-important problem of what one wore to a
gathering with the President of the United States, and who did one
take? That next weekend found me shopping for a dress I would change
the day before the event to another dress that I had fallen in love
with, but decided to leave in the store at the last minute. The shoes
and the jewelry were picked out. The makeup bag was replenished with
all the right shades to make me look stunning that night and my date
was chosen. Finally May 5th came along. My stomach was filled with
butterfly as I got dressed. Thanks to the nerves, my usually rock
steady hand when applying mascara was not so steady, which slowed me
down some, But finally I was all primped and ready to go.
	After going through three security points, we began to walk along the
perimeter of the Southwest lawn of the White House. We finally arrived
at the East entrance and were welcomed by the staff who gave us
further directions. The feeling of the White house was of complete
elegance. Nothing was overstated. There was no golden tapestry, but
rather quiet tones, natural plants and beautiful marble floors. We
proceeded to the upstairs of the East Wing. And as we entered, Marines
dressed in Mariachi regalia played Mexican music. As we walked further
into this space, we were greeted by even more staff and were offered
drinks. Yes, the White House has a full bar. After grabbing some
bubbly, we continued to explore.
	Most of the East Wing was opened to guests. That meant we were able
to see the Blue, Yellow, Green and Red rooms. Many of these rooms were
favored by one President or another. My favorite was the Red Room,
which is where the First Lady holds her social gatherings. There was
some beautiful furniture and I took pictures sitting on some of the
First Lady’s couches. The event was being held in the East Room, which
is where the President, just the week before, had delivered his
remarks on the Bin Laden capture and death. We also got the chance to
see the State Dining Room, which is just a big dining room with many
tables.
	After chatting with the Marines stationed at each room, my companion
and I found out that the President would be doing a rope line.
Basically, anyone standing closest to the rope, which would separate
the audience from where he would be standing during his remarks, would
get to shake his hand. Armed with this information, we proceeded to
the East Room and stood right by the rope before the crowd got any
bigger. Soon, everyone began to gather in the East Room and although
it was only about 300 people, we were standing shoulder to shoulder.
At last, the President came out and immediately, cameras began going
off from every person in the audience. Not about to be outdone, I
talked the lady NEX to me into taking some shots of the President and
the First Lady.
	After the President was done speaking, the rope was let down and the
crowd began to surge to the next rope up, which would be where the
President and Mrs. Obama would be meeting us. I immediately grabbed my
date’s hand and did my Jersey girl thing and began to push through the
crowd to get my spot. Fortunately, most people realized what I was
doing and that I had a cane so they gently steered me in the right
direction. Finally, I felt the beautiful velvet rope in front of me
and with it the certitude that I would be meeting the President of the
United States. While we waited, the Secret Service agent closest to us
explained that President Obama and his wife would not be able to stand
and take pictures with us so if we wanted more pictures to take them
as they came down the rope line.	Finally, I could hear Michelle
Obama’s voice right next to me. I’m extremely proud of how cool and
composed I remained, despite the fact that I was meeting the first
lady of the United States. As she stood in front of me, she grabbed my
hand, but someone else was trying to talk to her. She quickly ended
the conversation and gave me a hug! I told her how wonderful I thought
she was and how I admired her sense of style and the elegant way she
carried herself. She thanked me and expressed her appreciation for
attending the event followed by a hug. I realize she said the same
thing to pretty much everyone there that night, but I was okay with
that. Michelle Obama had hugged me, Mary Fernandez!
	The President came next. My date had a few words for him that he had
always wanted to tell the President. Obama bestowed a man hug on him
and then moved to me. I must admit, the first thing that struck me was
that his hands were kind of small, and that his wife was almost as
tall as he was. Although, I had managed to be somewhat coherent with
his wife, all I could say was, “Mr. President, I just want to tell you
that we love you.” He said, “Awl. I love you too.” And while still
holding my right hand, he reached up and touched my curls! Yes, he
touched my hair!
	After I had recuperated sufficiently, we grabbed a few Hors d'oeuvres
and soon it was time to go. As we walked out into the perfect DC
night, and stood in front of the East Portico of the White House for a
last picture, I knew that as long as I lived I would never forget the
night that Michelle Obama hugged me and Barack Obama touched my hair.

DID YOU KNOW???

Did You Know:
Bernard Morin, born 1931, was a French mathematician who is now
retired. He has been blind since age 6, but his blindness did not
prevent him from having a successful career in mathematics. Morin was
a member of the group that first exhibited an eversion of the sphere,
i.e. a homotopy (topological metamorphosis) which starts with a sphere
and ends with the same sphere but turned inside-out. He also
discovered the Morin surface, which is a half-way model for the sphere
eversion, and used it to prove a lower bound on the number of steps
needed to turn a sphere inside out.

Did You Know:
Erik Weihenmayer - born September 23, 1968 - is the first blind person
to reach the summit of Mount Everest, on May 25, 2001. Erik was born
with a disease called retinoschisis and became totally blind by the
age of 13. He has also completed the Seven Summits in September 2002.
Erik is also an acrobatic skydiver, long distance biker, marathon
runner, skier, mountaineer, ice climber, and rock climber. In 2004, he
led an expedition in Tibet called Climbing Blind project, including
blind teens from the Braille Without Borders school for blind at
Lhasa, Tibet.

Who’s Hot???
Name: Shaquanteay Mack
Age: 23
Hometown: Sandersville, Georgia
Why She’s Hot: Shaquantaey, the creator of Connecting The Dots, is the
first person from Georgia to attend Blind Incorporated, a NFB training
center located in Minneapolis,  Minnesota. After completing her
training, she was selected to serve as a summer counselor for Blind
Inc’s summer enrichment program. Since returning to Georgia,
Shaquantaey is attending the university of Georgia, where she is
working towards her MBA. Shaquantaey is not only striving to make a
difference in her own life, but she gives back in the efforts to make
a difference in the lives of others. For that Ms. Mack, we commend
you.

Now That’s Hot!!!

Eight Great Apps For The iPhone
http://assistivetechnology.about.com/od/ATCAT6/a/Top-Iphone-Apps-For-The-Blind-And-Visually-Impaired.htm

Apple TV commercials are so visually stunning they make the company's
advancements in assistive technology all the more impressive. Products
such as the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch are becomingly increasingly
accessible to blind and visually impaired people.
With screen-access technology (VoiceOver) and a magnification program
(Zoom) built into its iOS mobile operating system, users can enlarge
the screen for easier viewing or drag a finger over it to hear app
names and onscreen content read aloud.
Here are 8 popular apps designed to help blind and visually impaired
people use their mobile devices. All of these work on the iPhone (3GS
and up); iPod touch (3rd generation and up); and the iPad 2.
1. LookTel Money Reader
The LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) recognizes US currency in standard
denominations ($1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100 bills) enabling
blind and visually impaired people to quickly identify and count
bills. Point the iPhone camera at any US bill and LookTel's object
recognition technology via VoiceOver tells users the denomination in
real time. Best to organize bills before hitting the nightclub; the
app doesn't work as well in low light.
2. SayText
SayText (free), developed by Norfello Oy, scans text within any image,
such as a medical form or restaurant menu, and reads it aloud. Center
the document under the iPhone camera and double-tap the "Take Picture"
button. Then raise it slowly: a beep indicates that the entire
document is in the phone's frame. The app's Optical Character
Recognition utility then scans the text. Tap the screen for status
updates. Once scanned, swipe right on the screen to hear the document.
3. Color Identifier
GreenGar Studios' Color Identifier ($1.99) uses the iPhone camera to
identify and speak color names aloud. Shades identified are specific
to the point of annoyance (Paris Daisy, Moon Mist) for some users. The
company makes a free app called Color ID Free that sticks to basic
colors. Blind people will never wear mix-matched socks or the wrong
shirt again. An interesting offshoot is using the app to distinguish
shades of sky, enabling one to experience sunsets or gauge possible
weather changes.
4. TalkingTag LV
TalkingTag(tm) LV ($9.99) from TalkingTag enables blind people to
label everyday items with special coded stickers. Users scan each
sticker with the iPhone camera and record and replay via VoiceOver up
to a 1-minute audio message identifying what's being labeled. The app
is ideal for organizing a DVD collection, locating boxes during a
move, or picking the right jelly jar from the refrigerator. Stickers
can be erased and recorded over.
5. RFB&D Audio
The RFB&D app ($19.99) provides access to Learning Ally's library of
more than 65,000 audiobooks is considered the best source for K-12 and
college-level textbooks. Users can download and play on all iOS
devices. A Learning Ally membership is required and is free to those
with print disabilities, including visual impairments and dyslexia.
Readers navigate DAISY books by page number and chapter, can adjust
playback speed, and place electronic bookmarks throughout the text.
Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic became Learning Ally in April 2011.
6. Navigon MobileNavigator North America
NAVIGON's MobileNavigator North America ($44.99) transforms the iPhone
into a fully functional mobile navigation system that uses the latest
NAVTEQ map material. The app offers text-to-speech voice guidance,
enhanced pedestrian navigation, a turn-by-turn RouteList, location
sharing via email, and a Take Me Home function. It also provides
direct access and navigation to iPhone address book contacts.
Navigation is automatically resumed after an incoming phone call.
7. Talking Calculator
This easy-to-read app calculator ($0.99) speaks button names, numbers,
and answers aloud through a customizable built-in directory that lets
users record their own voice. Button names are spoken as your finger
moves over the screen. Double tapping activates enters buttons. The
calculator also has a high-contrast display mode to enhance
visibility. Developer Adam Croser also makes the Talking Scientific
Calculator app.
8. iBlink Radio
Serotek Corporation's iBlink Radio was the first application promoting
the digital lifestyle among the visually impaired, providing access to
community web radio stations with formats spanning every genre. The
iBlink network also offers radio reading services (USA Today, the New
York Times, among hundreds), and podcasts covering assistive
technology, independent living, travel, and more. The app's latest
player toolbars simplifies navigation.

F.Y.I. (For Your Information)

October 2011: Meet the Blind Month
(www.nfb.org)

Meet the Blind Month is our nationwide campaign to increase awareness
of and support for the National Federation of the Blind (NFB). During
the entire month of October, affiliates and chapters throughout the
country will be joining forces to spread the message that the NFB is
the voice of the nation’s blind and that blind people are the best
resource for learning about vision loss, blindness, and
rehabilitation.
The CTD Newsteam encourages you to get involved. Find a local chapter
in your city and get out into the community to help shatter the
misconceptions about blindness. Whether it be passing literature out
to the public or taking the time out to read books to children at the
local library, get out and do your part!


38TH Annual NFB of Georgia State Convention
(www.nfbga.org)

The National Federation of the Blind of Georgia would like to invite
you to our Thirty-Eighth Annual State Convention. Our theme is: “Let’s
Go, Let’s Grow, Let’s Glow.” This year, our State Convention will be
held on Friday, October 7 thru Sunday, October 9, at the Macon
Marriott City Hotel | 240 Coliseum Drive | Macon, GA 31217. The State
Convention of the National Federation of the Blind of Georgia is the
largest gathering of the blind in the state. Approximately 200 blind
people, family members, friends, and blindness service providers come
together for a weekend of seminars, presentations, workshops, and
general discussions on training, technology, and strategies for
improving the quality of life of blind people. The following is just a
sample of the topics and activities:

* NFB-NEWSLINE® New Features and Enhancements
* Braille Literacy Initiatives
* Georgians Empowered Through Mentoring Success
* Braille Enrichment through Literacy and Non-visual Learning
* NFB Youth Slam
* Parents of blind Children Seminar
* Blind Students Luncheon
* Updates on State Education and Rehabilitation Programs
For more information call the office at 1-866-316-3242. It promises to
be an exciting and educational weekend.

Bline Tech Support.. What is it?

       Meet Neil McCullough. A guy from the northern part of Ireland
who went against the mad dash of IPopularity and got himself a Droid.
At first, there was a lot of controversy on how accessible the Droid
was as compared to the IPhone. And that was how the idea was born.
       Together with a group of friends, Neil thought to himself,
“What if I could prove it? What if I could compare, and contrast the
two?” So he and his wife started a comparison on the things in which
the two devices were similar, and demonstrating the differences. That
was how the first podcast came to be. And, because of the nature of
the ideas, the demonstrations of the products, this collection of
podcasts began to grow.
Now, it is a creative, and very demonstrative website: Blind Tech
Support. Their podcasts range from further comparisons of IPhones to
Droids, but to other things such as how to use certain aps on both
devices. They even cover a range of topics involving screen readers:
Jaws, NVDA, and WindowEyes.
       This website is still growing, however, and they could use the
ideas any of us are willing to give. Even visiting their website just
to promote them is a big help. Any ideas are welcome, just post a
comment on the new boards that are now appearing. Blind Tech Support
is a great, interactive user’s guide for anyone learning any of these
2 phones, or using new programs with screen readers. These are just
regular guys, who don’t know, who don’t even pretend to know,
everything there is to know about these things. But the things they do
know, they share with the hope that we will take what they have to
offer and pass it along.
       So, if you have a moment, go check out www.blindtechsupport.net
Follow then on twitter at, @Blindtechsupport. Like their page on
facebook at  http://facebook.com/blindtechsupport/. But overall, happy
learnings!!

Ruth With The Truth

Dear Ruth,

I am sixteen years old and I have never been shopping on my own. I
live with my grandmother and she believes that since I am blind, I
can’t pick out my own clothes. I love my grandmother, but her idea of
style is tops with ruffles and long skirts that sweep the floor.
Yuck!!! I have gotten ideas from my friends on how to shop as a blind
person and I am constantly reading the online fashion blogs to keep up
with the latest trends. How do I convince my grandmother that I am
able to do my own shopping? Please help!!!

Sincerely,

Granny Skirts and Ruffled Shirts

Dear Granny Skirts,

Firstly, you should try talking to your grandmother about the
situation. Try explaining to her that blind people use alternative
techniques to do their shopping. If possible, show her the fashion
blogs and how the trends are always changing. Most importantly, you
should show your grandmother that you can shop independently the next
time you two go out to the store. Talk is one thing, but action is
another! Hopefully, she will see that you are very capable of
selecting your own clothes. I am sure she will give you this freedom
sooner than later and maybe you could show her a fashion thing or two.
Good luck!

Ruth

Upcoming Events

October 7-9 				NFBGA State Convention
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November 24 				Happy Thanksgiving!!!
November 27 				GABS Teleconference

Letter From the Editor


Dear Connecting the Dots Readers:

The CTD news team would like to thank you for taking the time out to
read our division’s newsletter. This newsletter was designed not only
to provide you with a variety of information, but also to give you,
the reader, am opportunity to speak out and express yourself. If you
enjoyed the newsletter, spread the word. If you weren’t quite
satisfied and you would like to contribute a submission or you just
had a question, contact us at ctdnewsteam at gmail.com. Remember,
Connecting the Dots was not only created for the students, but by the
students so we hope to hear from you guys. Look out for the release of
the next issue sometime in December. Peace and Blessings…

  To
















-- 
Mary Fernandez
President: Georgia Association of Blind Students
Emory University 2012
P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
30322
Phone: 732-857-7004

"It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much
rather you weren't doing it."
Terry
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 18:36:09 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:36:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions
Message-ID: <4e88af48.82b7340a.5ef8.fffffe89@mx.google.com>

Hi Katie,

My friend uses Outlook 2010, and it's very accessible.  In fact, 
I've seen it work with JAWS.  However, I still haven't been able 
to get my Gmail account configured for Outlook.

 Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: 
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:38:52 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions

I love the new search box in Wondows 7 machines.  I've sat at
computers with Win7 and I just LOOOOOOOve being able to search
for a program and typing, for eample, Internet into the search
box and Internet Explorer could come up.  Even if I type Intern
it comes up.  Katie, you're right about different menu items
arranged differently and stuff.  I don't quite know how the 2010
MS Office suite works.  I know my bf has that on his Windows 7 HP
machine.  I have to take a closer look because I may consider
upgrading.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:27:01 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions

Hi, Kerri and all,
  I am also planning to make the transition to Windows 7 from XP
soon
and have a few questions related to this discussion.  So far, it
sounds
like the main difference between Windows 7 and XP is the way
menus are
structured and how different items are arranged.  Is there
anything
else about Windows 7 that requires major adjustments? I currently
use
Outlook Express as my primary email client, which I realize is
no
longer available in Windows 7.  Is MS Office Outlook the most
logical
alternative? Also, how different is MS Office 2010 from MS Office
2007?
  Thanks!
     Katie


On 9/28/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Kerri,

 IE 9 uses pretty much the same keystrokes as IE 8.  To go to the
 address bar, hit alt d.  You can read the content on a site if
 the site is accessible.  I'm not sure what some people were
 talking about when they said IE 9 was inaccessible, but they
 heard some misinformation.

 Chris

  Chris Nusbaum

 "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
 real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
 exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
 opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
 nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
 Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

   Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
 www.icanfoundation.info for
 information on our foundation and how it helps blind and
visually
 impaired children in MD say "I can!"


 Sent from my BrailleNote

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:33:44 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions

 Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone:

 I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0.

 What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress
 bar
 and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on
 websites
 or something?

 I'm just wondering.

 Kerri

 On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
  Carrie,

  I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the
Microsoft
 website.
  And I found the link and downloaded it.  I did this as of last
 weekend, so
  yes you can still download it.

  HTH
  Marsha



  -----Original Message-----
  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
  Of Kerri Kosten
  Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions

  Hi All:

  I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't
 worry
  about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent
threads
 on
  this list have me a little concerned about some things.

  I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next
 week.

  I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.)
 It has
  windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second
 generation
  processor, and a 640 gig hard drive.

  I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows
it
  actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than
 Internet
  explorer.

  My main browser is Internet explorer.

  I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and
 just
  download Internet explorer 9.

  However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible.

  Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9?

  Is Google Krome accessible?

  Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I
 know the
  taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem.
 I also
  know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had
  Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem
 either.

  The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser
 thing
  since IE 9 is inaccessible.

  Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws
 13 is
  out.  Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost?
 I am
  just wondering.  My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll
 unfortunately
  pay *huge sigh.*

  Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it?
 Do you
  find you can use most popular programs/applications with it?

  Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering
 switching or
  getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if
 anyone
  else used it and what you thought of it.

  Thanks,

  Kerri

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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 18:41:51 2011
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:41:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Few More Questions About Windows 7/Jaws
Message-ID: <CAM6GWxzVFGvZvUxB3YwzpGGt+JK4Ln0__ZXDgpp3xEMjh1fMGg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All:

Well, I received my laptop Thursday and am absolutely loving it. It's
really fast, and it definitely is fast enough to run everything I want
and doesn't slow down. I love it.

Anyway I had a few more questions though.

It turns out my computer did come with Internet Explorer. It is
Internet Explorer 8 though. I am considering upgrading to IE 9. When
you download something in IE 9 does the same dialogue come up asking
you to open, save, or cancel or is it different in IE 9? The reason I
am asking is because I've heard it's a lot different...it apparently
comes up in a toolbar which I heard wasn't accessible. Is this true?
What comes up when you go to download something?

Also, what is the best thing to do when Jaws stops speaking/crashes?
Yesterday I was downloading music and something came up (not sure what
it was)and anyway Jaws completely stopped speaking. I tried hitting
alt-F4 to get out of whatever it was, and then hitting alt-tab to get
out of the window to see if Jaws would speak if it was in a different
window. Nothing. I ended up having to manually shut the computer down
by holding the power button down and restarting. Is this the best
thing to do when in that kind of situation where Jaws does not speak?

I looked in the control panel today and saw Narrator. I did not
actually turn it on because I had Jaws running but I learned the
keystroke is alt-N. Next time Jaws crashes or stops speaking do I just
hit alt-n and Narrator should come on or do I need to do something
first to enable it?

Thanks,
Kerri


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 22:03:16 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 16:03:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Few More Questions About Windows 7/Jaws
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Hi Kerri,
In IE 9, dialogs about saving vs. opening downloaded files and other
such notifications show up in a separate "notification bar". It is
accessible, but you have to press Alt-N to get to it. Sometimes JAWS
won't tell you there is a notification until you hit Alt-N, though, so
if you suspect there is a notification (i.e. you just clicked on a
link to download something) just press Alt-N to hear the notification.
When JAWS stops speaking on me, I usually do what you did-try closing
the window and then manually restarting if that doesn't work. This
shouldn't be happening a lot, though. If it does happen more than once
a day, you may want to get a sighted person to tell you what is
displayed on the screen next time JAWS freezes. When I first started
with Windows 7, I was getting these pop-ups asking if I wanted to
allow programs to make changes to my settings and these often
interfered with JAWS speech. I was able to have my sighted boyfriend
click on something to stop the notifications and the problem went
away, so I suspect it might be something like that or something with
your antivirus software or firewall that is blocking JAWS and causing
it to quit. Most of these things can be permanently disabled with a
few mouseclicks from someone sighted.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/2/11, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Well, I received my laptop Thursday and am absolutely loving it. It's
> really fast, and it definitely is fast enough to run everything I want
> and doesn't slow down. I love it.
>
> Anyway I had a few more questions though.
>
> It turns out my computer did come with Internet Explorer. It is
> Internet Explorer 8 though. I am considering upgrading to IE 9. When
> you download something in IE 9 does the same dialogue come up asking
> you to open, save, or cancel or is it different in IE 9? The reason I
> am asking is because I've heard it's a lot different...it apparently
> comes up in a toolbar which I heard wasn't accessible. Is this true?
> What comes up when you go to download something?
>
> Also, what is the best thing to do when Jaws stops speaking/crashes?
> Yesterday I was downloading music and something came up (not sure what
> it was)and anyway Jaws completely stopped speaking. I tried hitting
> alt-F4 to get out of whatever it was, and then hitting alt-tab to get
> out of the window to see if Jaws would speak if it was in a different
> window. Nothing. I ended up having to manually shut the computer down
> by holding the power button down and restarting. Is this the best
> thing to do when in that kind of situation where Jaws does not speak?
>
> I looked in the control panel today and saw Narrator. I did not
> actually turn it on because I had Jaws running but I learned the
> keystroke is alt-N. Next time Jaws crashes or stops speaking do I just
> hit alt-n and Narrator should come on or do I need to do something
> first to enable it?
>
> Thanks,
> Kerri
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 23:10:19 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 19:10:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado VisiionWalk - Oct. 1st at City Park
Message-ID: <4e88ef89.295d340a.6134.057a@mx.google.com>

Hi Ashley and all,

Oh, sorry! Yes, I did mean to send it privately.  I didn't know 
the list was in the big CC list, sorry.

 Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: 
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:49:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Colorado VisiionWalk - Oct.  1st at City 
Park

Chris, I think you meant to send this privately.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:38 PM
To: Richard Faubion ; dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com ; 
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Colorado VisiionWalk - Oct.  1st at City 
Park

Hi Richard,

This is Chris Nusbaum.  I'm just wondering, how did I get on the
list to receive these emails from the FFB? In other words, how
did you get my email address? I live in Maryland, so I can't get
up to Colorado to attend the walk.  The only way I could think
that you got my email is because of me knowing Amy, Arielle,
David Dunphy, and others from NABS and the NABS list.  It's OK
that I'm getting this email, I'm just wondering, as your name
doesn't seem familiar to me.  Thanks!

Chris

Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Faubion <rfaubion at blindness.org
To: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>, Amy Sabo
<amylsabo at comcast.net
Date sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:59:26 +0000
Subject: RE: Colorado VisiionWalk - Oct.  1st at City Park

Hi All,

Don't forget that this Saturday, Oct.  1st at City Park is the
Colorado
VisionWalk, a FREE, family-friendly event; registration at 9
AMand
the Walk starts at 10 AM.  Please join us and have some fun as
we seek to save and restore sight for everyone!

Best regards, Richad Faubion
720-207-8362

Richard B.  Faubion
Director of Development, Southwest Region
Foundation Fighting Blindness
1663 Steele Street, Suite 607, Denver, CO 80206
Phone: (720) 207-8362; website: www.FightBlindness.org

Colorado VisionWalk - Saturday, October 1, 2011, City Park


________________________________________
From: Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:33 PM
To: Amy Sabo
Cc: audioaccessfm; ALLISON HILLIKER; Amy Baron; Andrew Edgcumbe;
Antonio M.  Guimaraes; ARIELLE SILVERMAN; CHARLIE Bartholomew;
Charlotte Czarnecki; CHASITY JACKSON; CHRIS BELL; CHRISTINE
LINCOLN; CHRISTY HACKET; CLAUDIA FAUBION; CLAUDIA PARKER;
COLORADO ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS; Danielle Paullin;
E-mail:; DAVID PAULLIN; dennis hummland; DONNA HILL; doug oliver;
Eric Kosten; ERIK GOSLITT; ERIN RICHARDSON; JACOB STREUSMA;
JANETT TRIPLETT; JENNIFER KENNEDY; JERIMIAH BEASLEY; JOE OROZCO;
JOE TRIPLETT; JOHN MATTE; JOY RAVENAL; JUDI SABO; Karen McClurg;
KRISTINA CONSTANT; LINDA RICKARD; liz bottoner; LMBBS GROUP;
Lorinda Riddle; Lynda Sabo; mary morris; Maryann Migliorelli;
E-mail:; maurice mines; MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS;
mike sabo; NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS; NFB OF
COLORADO; NFB OF MICHIGAN; patti bellisle; PERFORMING ARTS
DIVISION; RACHEL BECKER; E-mail:; REGAN LYNCH; Richard Faubion;
RICHARD LEWIS; RICHELLE PENNOCK; SCOTT LABARREE; STEVE PATTON;
TIFFANY COOK; tony landa; tonya hughes; WAYNE MERRITT; william
oulette; YOLANDA GARCIA
Subject: Re: Facebook page

Hi Amy,

I liked it this afternoon! I've also posted on the station's
wall.

Chris

On 9/25/11, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
Hello all,

I hope that you are all doing well this fine Sunday.  I just
wanted to update you all on some news in regards to
audioaccessfm.  If you all are on twitter please feel free to
follow us on twitter by following "audioaccessfm" to keep up
with
us all of the upcoming news and events that station has to
offer.

We also now have a fan page on facebook so, any of you are on
facebook just go to our fan page at facebookk.com/audioaccessfm

And, check us also out for all of the news and events on what's
going on with the station! The page is growing so please show us
some love there!

Well, that's all for now take care all and, have a good week!



Hugs,
>From amy



--
Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info
for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 23:10:17 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 19:10:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 23:41:21 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 19:41:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines
Message-ID: <4e88f6cf.c1b8e00a.5f56.ffffd45b@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,

FYI, WebBraille is from NLS, not the Braille Institute.  Is there 
something like WebBraille that the Institute provides?

 Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: 
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:59:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi Everyone,
Accessible Braille on-line magazines can also be downloaded from
Bookshare (Newsline supports it) and Web-Braille, Braille
Institute's web-site.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:46:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Chris,

Good ideas.  Actually, I'm signed up for newsline but do not use
it much.  The
synthesized  speech isn't appealing to listen for long periods.
Still if
they have the magazines I want, I'll give it a try.

Oh, and I already get the Washington Ear.  It's a good free
service.  I like
the human readers.  Yes they do have a few magazines including
two I want to
read and keep.  But thing is that is recorded and I'd prefer a
copy I can
keep preferaly a braille or electronic magazine.
I mainly listen to the washington post and wall stree journal
with it and
Time.

I was trying to find sources of mainstream magazines such as the
New Yorker,
Time, or Seventeen.
The digital versions online are very limited.  If anyone
subscribes to them,
I'd
like to know.  I wonder how accessible they are.  I don't want to
pay a
subscription if its not real accessible.

You mentioned bookshare and RFB.  I wasn't aware they did
magazines.  Its my
understanding they only do books.
If they, in fact, do magazines, which ones?

Does a mainstream source have recorded magazines such as
audible.com or
amazon.com?

I wanted to read more sources to broaden my news perspective and
of course
to observe different writing styles.
I'm interested in reading more book reviews, play reviews, and
profile
stories.  This way I know how to write them if I decide to do
free lance
work.

Thanks.


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:22 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi Ashley,

You have a few options here.  You could read magazines
and newspapers on NFB Newsline.  This is the way I read most of
my magazines.  It's free to sign up, and you can read many
magazines and newspapers from around the country plus TV
listings, job listings, and local blindness-related information
(in the form of a state information channel put out by your
state's sponsor, which is usually the state NLS library) either
on the phone by calling into the service, on the Web, on your
Victor Stream or any other talking book player that supports
DAISY files, on an NLS DTB player, on a notetaker that supports
DAISY files, or on your MP3 player or iPod.  For more
information, you can call 1-866-504-7300 or go to
nfbnewsline.org.  Now I know that you are in
northern Virginia, so you can also use the Washington Ear, which
is a service like Newsline, only it has human readers (like RFBD
magazines) and it only has local newspapers, although it has some
national magazines.  For somebody who lives in the area, the Ear
is nice because it has some of the smaller newspapers from the DC
suberbs on it that you wouldn't find on a national service like
Newsline.  You can go to washear.org for information about that.
The Ear has both a phone service and a radio reading service, but
the phone service is free, so I'd recommend that.  You can
usually get blindness magazines either in Braille, large print,
by email, or over the Internet.  For example, I'm subscribed to
both the Braille Monitor (from NFB) and the Braille Forum (from
ACB.) I get the Monitor mailed to me in Braille (come to think of
it, I haven't gotten my August/September Monitor yet) and the
Forum emailed to me.  You can get those magazines at either
nfb.org or acb.org.  On the NFB site, just select Publications,
then Braille Monitor.  On the ACB site, go to the Quick Links
heading and select the Braille Forum link.  From there, you
should find subscription options, either in the form of a link
and then a form field or just a form field on the same page.
Many mainstream magazines are available online, and a lot of
these are accessible.  Heck, even my state NFB affiliate only
distributes our newsletter, the Braille Spectator, on Newsline
and online on our site.  They don't even make a hardcopy! So, you
can find many magazines online.  Of course, not all of them are
accessible, but it doesn't hurt to check the ones you're
interested in out to see, if they're not on Newsline, the Ear, or
NLS/Bookshare, or you don't want to read them by these means.
Speaking of Bookshare, they also have a lot of magazines, along
with RFBD.  You could always try them.  To answer your question
about NLS, I didn't know there was a special magazine program
they have.  I know that they have magazines on WebBraille and
BARD, if you're subscribed to either one.  To sign up for these
services, the best way is to contact your state LBPH.  Note that
you need a notetaker or a Braille display to read WebBraille
materials, as they are in BRF format.  Hope this helps! Please
let me know if you have any questions!

Chris

Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:36:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi all,

I want to read more magazines to be better informed and by
reading you can learn how to write better.
How is the NLS magazine program set up? Are the cassettes indexed
by article? Do multiple narrators read the one periodical?
Do I contact my  cooperating library to sign up for any magazine?

Also I?? interested in reading these magazines.  I' wish I
could just buy one from a newstand, but can??.  So are any of
these accessible? Some magazines are digital, but I do not know
if the electronic version  is accessible.  They are:
1.  Time magazine
2.  Washingtonian
3.  Newsweek
4.  The New Yorker
5.  Southern Living
6.  Fortune

Also, I think APH produces Readers digest.  If anyone gets it, is
the quality good? What articles are in it?

Thanks.

Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  2 23:51:11 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 19:51:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines
In-Reply-To: <4e88ef87.295d340a.6134.0579@mx.google.com>
References: <4e88ef87.295d340a.6134.0579@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9D5E9520F19F441F8D4F37C529AC1215@OwnerPC>

Chris,
Glad for the info. I'll see what magazines newsline has. And if I like some, 
I might see about subscribing. Some magazines have a digital version, which 
I assume is emailed to a subscriber. That way I'd have my own copy. I know 
newsline has the new yorker, which is one magazine I want to try out.

I might also contact washington ear and see if they have considered adding 
new magazines. That would be nice to add a few more popular ones.
Also, readers digest is free from APH. So I'll subscribe to that as well.
No RFB does not record periodicals.

If anyone hears of any accessible magazine sources, let me know.
Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi Ashley,

Newsline is a great source for mainstream magazines like the
examples you gave, with the exception of Seventeen.  However, you
could email Scott White, the director of Newsline, at
swhite at nfb.org and suggest that magazine to him to put on
Newsline.  They're always looking for ideas on new newspapers and
magazines to be added.  I can understand what you're saying about
the speech synthesizer not being appealing to listen to (although
it's the same Eloquence used for JAWS, plus they've added two
more human-sounding voices from Nuance, Paul and Kate, which you
could find on the phone service by hitting 8 repeatedly in an
article until you find the one you like.) However, you can now
read Newsline material both from directly on the site using Web
News On Demand or by email.  They'll send you a DAISY book of
each newspaper in your email favorites list.  To set this up, go
to www.nfbnewslineonline.org and log in with your Newsline ID and
security code and you're good to go.  If you have any questions
about this, please let me know or call Newsline at 866-504-7300.
I don't know what magazines Bookshare and RFBD have, but I know
they have them, from what I hear from friends and earlier
discussions on this list.  BARD also has magazines.  I've just
signed up, so I don't know which magazines they have.  Hope this
helps!

Chris

Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:46:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Chris,

Good ideas.  Actually, I'm signed up for newsline but do not use
it much.  The
synthesized  speech isn't appealing to listen for long periods.
Still if
they have the magazines I want, I'll give it a try.

Oh, and I already get the Washington Ear.  It’s a good free
service.  I like
the human readers.  Yes they do have a few magazines including
two I want to
read and keep.  But thing is that is recorded and I'd prefer a
copy I can
keep preferaly a braille or electronic magazine.
I mainly listen to the washington post and wall stree journal
with it and
Time.

I was trying to find sources of mainstream magazines such as the
New Yorker,
Time, or Seventeen.
The digital versions online are very limited.  If anyone
subscribes to them,
I'd
like to know.  I wonder how accessible they are.  I don't want to
pay a
subscription if its not real accessible.

You mentioned bookshare and RFB.  I wasn't aware they did
magazines.  Its my
understanding they only do books.
If they, in fact, do magazines, which ones?

Does a mainstream source have recorded magazines such as
audible.com or
amazon.com?

I wanted to read more sources to broaden my news perspective and
of course
to observe different writing styles.
I'm interested in reading more book reviews, play reviews, and
profile
stories.  This way I know how to write them if I decide to do
free lance
work.

Thanks.


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:22 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi Ashley,

You have a few options here.  You could read magazines
and newspapers on NFB Newsline.  This is the way I read most of
my magazines.  It's free to sign up, and you can read many
magazines and newspapers from around the country plus TV
listings, job listings, and local blindness-related information
(in the form of a state information channel put out by your
state's sponsor, which is usually the state NLS library) either
on the phone by calling into the service, on the Web, on your
Victor Stream or any other talking book player that supports
DAISY files, on an NLS DTB player, on a notetaker that supports
DAISY files, or on your MP3 player or iPod.  For more
information, you can call 1-866-504-7300 or go to
nfbnewsline.org.  Now I know that you are in
northern Virginia, so you can also use the Washington Ear, which
is a service like Newsline, only it has human readers (like RFBD
magazines) and it only has local newspapers, although it has some
national magazines.  For somebody who lives in the area, the Ear
is nice because it has some of the smaller newspapers from the DC
suberbs on it that you wouldn't find on a national service like
Newsline.  You can go to washear.org for information about that.
The Ear has both a phone service and a radio reading service, but
the phone service is free, so I'd recommend that.  You can
usually get blindness magazines either in Braille, large print,
by email, or over the Internet.  For example, I'm subscribed to
both the Braille Monitor (from NFB) and the Braille Forum (from
ACB.) I get the Monitor mailed to me in Braille (come to think of
it, I haven't gotten my August/September Monitor yet) and the
Forum emailed to me.  You can get those magazines at either
nfb.org or acb.org.  On the NFB site, just select Publications,
then Braille Monitor.  On the ACB site, go to the Quick Links
heading and select the Braille Forum link.  From there, you
should find subscription options, either in the form of a link
and then a form field or just a form field on the same page.
Many mainstream magazines are available online, and a lot of
these are accessible.  Heck, even my state NFB affiliate only
distributes our newsletter, the Braille Spectator, on Newsline
and online on our site.  They don't even make a hardcopy! So, you
can find many magazines online.  Of course, not all of them are
accessible, but it doesn't hurt to check the ones you're
interested in out to see, if they're not on Newsline, the Ear, or
NLS/Bookshare, or you don't want to read them by these means.
Speaking of Bookshare, they also have a lot of magazines, along
with RFBD.  You could always try them.  To answer your question
about NLS, I didn't know there was a special magazine program
they have.  I know that they have magazines on WebBraille and
BARD, if you're subscribed to either one.  To sign up for these
services, the best way is to contact your state LBPH.  Note that
you need a notetaker or a Braille display to read WebBraille
materials, as they are in BRF format.  Hope this helps! Please
let me know if you have any questions!

Chris

Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:36:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi all,

I want to read more magazines to be better informed and by
reading you can learn how to write better.
How is the NLS magazine program set up? Are the cassettes indexed
by article? Do multiple narrators read the one periodical?
Do I contact my  cooperating library to sign up for any magazine?

Also I?�m interested in reading these magazines.  I' wish I
could just buy one from a newstand, but can?�t.  So are any of
these accessible? Some magazines are digital, but I do not know
if the electronic version  is accessible.  They are:
1.  Time magazine
2.  Washingtonian
3.  Newsweek
4.  The New Yorker
5.  Southern Living
6.  Fortune

Also, I think APH produces Readers digest.  If anyone gets it, is
the quality good? What articles are in it?

Thanks.

Ashley
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From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  3 00:49:55 2011
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 19:49:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Illinois Streaming
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS184AF76B05D78A322FEDE9BAFA0@phx.gbl>

FYI.

Liz Bottner
President, IABS
Guiding Eyes Graduate Council
GEB Voicemail:  800-942-0149 Ext. 2531
e-mail: 
liziswhatis at hotmail.com 
Visit my LiveJournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
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-----Original Message----- From: nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 5:05 PM To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Illinois Streaming 



Convention Audio The streaming of the National Federation of the Blind of
Illinois Convention will begin on October 7, 2011 and continue through to
October 9, 2011. If you try to tune in and you can't connect, it's probably
because we haven't started yet or we are having technical difficulties. We
will let people know when we are live on Twitter and Facebook. 

Listen to the Live Stream of the National Federation of the Blind of
Illinois 2011 Convention. 

Or go to our web page to connect at: 

www.nfbofillinois.org 

Love to have you all join us.  It will be a fantastic convention. 







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From brlsurfer at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 02:06:59 2011
From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 19:06:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines
Message-ID: <4e8918d2.0320440a.7f0b.28de@mx.google.com>

I'm not exactly sure.  Sorry.
Vejas

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 19:41:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi Vejas,

FYI, WebBraille is from NLS, not the Braille Institute.  Is there
something like WebBraille that the Institute provides?

 Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:59:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi Everyone,
Accessible Braille on-line magazines can also be downloaded from
Bookshare (Newsline supports it) and Web-Braille, Braille
Institute's web-site.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:46:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Chris,

Good ideas.  Actually, I'm signed up for newsline but do not use
it much.  The
synthesized  speech isn't appealing to listen for long periods.
Still if
they have the magazines I want, I'll give it a try.

Oh, and I already get the Washington Ear.  It's a good free
service.  I like
the human readers.  Yes they do have a few magazines including
two I want to
read and keep.  But thing is that is recorded and I'd prefer a
copy I can
keep preferaly a braille or electronic magazine.
I mainly listen to the washington post and wall stree journal
with it and
Time.

I was trying to find sources of mainstream magazines such as the
New Yorker,
Time, or Seventeen.
The digital versions online are very limited.  If anyone
subscribes to them,
I'd
like to know.  I wonder how accessible they are.  I don't want to
pay a
subscription if its not real accessible.

You mentioned bookshare and RFB.  I wasn't aware they did
magazines.  Its my
understanding they only do books.
If they, in fact, do magazines, which ones?

Does a mainstream source have recorded magazines such as
audible.com or
amazon.com?

I wanted to read more sources to broaden my news perspective and
of course
to observe different writing styles.
I'm interested in reading more book reviews, play reviews, and
profile
stories.  This way I know how to write them if I decide to do
free lance
work.

Thanks.


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:22 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi Ashley,

You have a few options here.  You could read magazines
and newspapers on NFB Newsline.  This is the way I read most of
my magazines.  It's free to sign up, and you can read many
magazines and newspapers from around the country plus TV
listings, job listings, and local blindness-related information
(in the form of a state information channel put out by your
state's sponsor, which is usually the state NLS library) either
on the phone by calling into the service, on the Web, on your
Victor Stream or any other talking book player that supports
DAISY files, on an NLS DTB player, on a notetaker that supports
DAISY files, or on your MP3 player or iPod.  For more
information, you can call 1-866-504-7300 or go to
nfbnewsline.org.  Now I know that you are in
northern Virginia, so you can also use the Washington Ear, which
is a service like Newsline, only it has human readers (like RFBD
magazines) and it only has local newspapers, although it has some
national magazines.  For somebody who lives in the area, the Ear
is nice because it has some of the smaller newspapers from the DC
suberbs on it that you wouldn't find on a national service like
Newsline.  You can go to washear.org for information about that.
The Ear has both a phone service and a radio reading service, but
the phone service is free, so I'd recommend that.  You can
usually get blindness magazines either in Braille, large print,
by email, or over the Internet.  For example, I'm subscribed to
both the Braille Monitor (from NFB) and the Braille Forum (from
ACB.) I get the Monitor mailed to me in Braille (come to think of
it, I haven't gotten my August/September Monitor yet) and the
Forum emailed to me.  You can get those magazines at either
nfb.org or acb.org.  On the NFB site, just select Publications,
then Braille Monitor.  On the ACB site, go to the Quick Links
heading and select the Braille Forum link.  From there, you
should find subscription options, either in the form of a link
and then a form field or just a form field on the same page.
Many mainstream magazines are available online, and a lot of
these are accessible.  Heck, even my state NFB affiliate only
distributes our newsletter, the Braille Spectator, on Newsline
and online on our site.  They don't even make a hardcopy! So, you
can find many magazines online.  Of course, not all of them are
accessible, but it doesn't hurt to check the ones you're
interested in out to see, if they're not on Newsline, the Ear, or
NLS/Bookshare, or you don't want to read them by these means.
Speaking of Bookshare, they also have a lot of magazines, along
with RFBD.  You could always try them.  To answer your question
about NLS, I didn't know there was a special magazine program
they have.  I know that they have magazines on WebBraille and
BARD, if you're subscribed to either one.  To sign up for these
services, the best way is to contact your state LBPH.  Note that
you need a notetaker or a Braille display to read WebBraille
materials, as they are in BRF format.  Hope this helps! Please
let me know if you have any questions!

Chris

Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


Sent from my BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:36:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines

Hi all,

I want to read more magazines to be better informed and by
reading you can learn how to write better.
How is the NLS magazine program set up? Are the cassettes indexed
by article? Do multiple narrators read the one periodical?
Do I contact my  cooperating library to sign up for any magazine?

Also I?? interested in reading these magazines.  I' wish I
could just buy one from a newstand, but can??.  So are any of
these accessible? Some magazines are digital, but I do not know
if the electronic version  is accessible.  They are:
1.  Time magazine
2.  Washingtonian
3.  Newsweek
4.  The New Yorker
5.  Southern Living
6.  Fortune

Also, I think APH produces Readers digest.  If anyone gets it, is
the quality good? What articles are in it?

Thanks.

Ashley
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From colorado.students at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 03:51:12 2011
From: colorado.students at gmail.com (colorado students)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:51:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado asociation of blind students(CABS) teashirt
	fundraiser
Message-ID: <C4822DA7582945C28311BF25A180B817@melissa>

Please distribute far and wide.

Please join me in supporting  the Colorado Asociation of Blind Students(CABS) by purchasing our high quality tee-shirts.

 

The tee-shirts are white with "CABS" presented on the left slieve.  The front features our NFBCO logo in color and the slogan "broadening horizons and lighting the fire to the future."

The prices are:

Small, medium, large, extra large, $11.00.  

1/xl, 2/xl, and 3/xl, $14.00.  

 

Sizes from 4/xl to 8/xl, $16.00 and children's sizes, $6.00 are available by special order.  

 

CABS will ship for $5.00, We are encouraging anyone  that wishes to avoid the shipping cost to preorder shirts by October 21st for convention pickup.

 

These tee-shirts will make the perfect accompaniment to your jeans or casual slacks at Friday evening's interactive activities.

 

Thank you for supporting the Colorado Association of Blind Students(CABS.

 

From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct  3 13:23:05 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 08:23:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access
 to New Kindle Fire
In-Reply-To: <20111002191957.N2B6P.1956393.imail@eastrmwml33>
References: <20111002191957.N2B6P.1956393.imail@eastrmwml33>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOsHY=RrFH+MG=Qrfi8W2twmrqaGSpdayNkdWykPHu51Rw@mail.gmail.com>

The following is an E-mail, that was forwarded to me, by my state
chapter's president.
Has anyone discussed this, on here?


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: tosheeler at cox.net
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:19:57 -0500
Subject: Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access
to New Kindle Fire
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> From: "Freeh, Jessica" <JFreeh at nfb.org>
> To: Alpidio Rolon <arguza at attglobal.net>, Amy Buresh <amy.buresh74 at gmail.com>,
	Art Schreiber <blindart at samobile.net>, Beth Rival <erival at comcast.net>, Bill
 Packee <alaskanfb at yahoo.com>, Bob Kresmer <krezguy at cox.net>, Carl Jacobsen
	<office at nfbny.org>, Cassandra McNabb <cemcnabb21 at yahoo.com>, Cathy Jackson
	<cathyj at iglou.com>, Charlene Smyth <cs.nfbwv at verizon.net>, "Christine G.
 Hall" <c.tessa4 at comcast.net>, Dan Hicks <danjhicks at yahoo.com>, Daniel Burke
	<burke.dall at gmail.com>, Don Galloway <dgalloway627 at gmail.com>, Donna Wood
	<donnajwood at cox.net>, Duane Iverson <diverson at samobile.net>, Elsie Dickerson
	<elsiedickerson at ymail.com>, Frank Lee <francois57 at comcast.net>, Franklin
 Shiner <fshiner at myfairpoint.net>, Fred Schroeder <fschroeder at sks.com>,
	Garrick Scott <gscott at nfbga.org>, Gary Ray <ghraynfbofnc at charter.net>, Gary
 Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net>, Grace Pires <silvara at cox.net>, "J.W. Smith"
	<jwsmithnfb at verizon.net>, James Antonacci <president at nfbp.org>, Jeannie
 Massay <Jmassay1 at cox.net>, Jennifer Dunnam <jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com>,
	Joe Ruffalo <nfbnj at yahoo.com>, John Batron <jbatron at maine.rr.com>, John Fritz
	<johnfritz at centurytel.net>, Joy Harris <joy.harris at dwx.com>, Joyce Scanlan
	<joyce.scanlan at earthlink.net>, Ken Rollman <gatorbumps at rushmore.com>, Kim
 Williams <rkvend at aol.com>, Kimberly Flores <kflores at nfb-texas.org>, Larry
 Posont <president.nfb.mi at gmail.com>, Lynn Majewski <majla at verizon.net>, Mary
 Willows <mwillows at sbcglobal.net>, Melissa Riccobono <melissa at riccobono.us>,
	Michael Barber <michael.NFBI at gmail.com>, Michael Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>,
	Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>, Nani Fife <nanifife at aol.com>, Pam Allen
	<pallen at lcb-ruston.com>, Parnell Diggs <parnell at sccoast.net>, Patti Chang
	<pattichang at att.net>, Rena Smith <realhappygirl1 at gmail.com>, Ron Brown
	<rb15 at iquest.net>, "Gardner, Ron" <RGardner at nfb.org>, Sam Gleese
	<SGleese at city.jackson.ms.us>, Scott LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>, Terry
 Sheeler <tosheeler at cox.net>
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:50:08 -0700
> Subject: National Federation of the Blind Condemns Lack of Access to New
 Kindle Fire
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> CONTACT:
> Chris Danielsen
> Director of Public Relations
> National Federation of the Blind
> (410) 659-9314, extension 2330
> (410) 262-1281 (Cell)
> cdanielsen at nfb.org
>
> National Federation of the Blind Condemns
>  Lack of Access to New Kindle Fire
>
> Baltimore, Maryland (September 29, 2011): The National Federation of the Blind commented today on the release of Amazon's new Kindle Fire, which cannot be used by people who are blind.
>
> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "Blind Americans have repeatedly asked Amazon to include accessibility for the blind in its Kindle product line.  The feasibility of including accessibility in similar products has been demonstrated.  The Department of Education and the Department of Justice have made it clear that Kindle devices cannot be purchased by educational institutions, libraries, and other entities covered by this country's disability laws unless the devices are fully accessible.  Despite all this, Amazon has released a brand new Kindle device, the Kindle Fire, which cannot be used by people who are blind.  Enough!  We condemn this latest action by Amazon and reiterate that we will not tolerate technological discrimination.  The National Federation of the Blind seeks nothing less than equal access to all technology for blind people.  It is one of the most critical civil rights issues facing blind Americans in the twenty-first century, and we will do everything in our power to see that this right is secured."
>
>
> ###
>
>
>
> About the National Federation of the Blind
> With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.
>


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct  3 15:24:30 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:24:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
Message-ID: <CAO83KOs+4YDdGNZkDGdTFb=5_LL2a_cu8kn-cuYBPB+0jbV0Uw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
flash drive?
What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
Noone ever taught me how to do this.
I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
E-mail to my instructor.
Thanks for your assistance.
Blessings, Joshua


From catherine.1966 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  3 15:39:26 2011
From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 08:39:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1317656366.25292.YahooMailMobile@web46405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

<a tabindex="1" title="" name="qgiqjldinp" href="http://www.eurx.co.uk/user.php">http://www.eurx.co.uk/user.php</a>

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  3 16:40:01 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:40:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOs+4YDdGNZkDGdTFb=5_LL2a_cu8kn-cuYBPB+0jbV0Uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO83KOs+4YDdGNZkDGdTFb=5_LL2a_cu8kn-cuYBPB+0jbV0Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87FAEFA9D42241A5BB82AD88FDB0E7E8@OwnerPC>

Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer recognizes 
it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive instead of 
the default which is saving to my documents.
You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit enter 
and its saved.
Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer assigns 
it a different letter.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
flash drive?
What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
Noone ever taught me how to do this.
I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
E-mail to my instructor.
Thanks for your assistance.
Blessings, Joshua

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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 17:08:55 2011
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:08:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
file and paste it to your drive.

On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer recognizes
> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive instead of
> the default which is saving to my documents.
> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit enter
> and its saved.
> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer assigns
> it a different letter.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
> flash drive?
> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
> E-mail to my instructor.
> Thanks for your assistance.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct  3 17:50:06 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:50:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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Ashley:
I'm using Word.
When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
dialogue boxes.
I'll try this again.
Thanks, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
> file and paste it to your drive.
>
> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer recognizes
>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive instead
>> of
>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>> enter
>> and its saved.
>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>> assigns
>> it a different letter.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>> flash drive?
>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>> E-mail to my instructor.
>> Thanks for your assistance.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  3 17:58:12 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:58:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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when you pull up the save as option, it’s a dialogue box. If not, you're 
computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you hear 
my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a letter, 
but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are CD 
drives.
Once you find the drive, hit enter.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive

Ashley:
I'm using Word.
When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
dialogue boxes.
I'll try this again.
Thanks, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
> file and paste it to your drive.
>
> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer recognizes
>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive instead
>> of
>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>> enter
>> and its saved.
>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>> assigns
>> it a different letter.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>> flash drive?
>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>> E-mail to my instructor.
>> Thanks for your assistance.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct  3 18:12:52 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:12:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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It isn't working right.
I hit control S, and Jaws doesn't say anything, and nothing comes up.
I'll make a change, and it will say, "Do you want to save the changes
to this doccument?"
I'll select yes, and it will save it.
I don't understand what's going on.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> when you pull up the save as option, it’s a dialogue box. If not, you're
> computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you hear
> my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a letter,
> but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are CD
> drives.
> Once you find the drive, hit enter.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>
> Ashley:
> I'm using Word.
> When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
> dialogue boxes.
> I'll try this again.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
>> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
>> file and paste it to your drive.
>>
>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer recognizes
>>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive instead
>>> of
>>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>>> enter
>>> and its saved.
>>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>>> assigns
>>> it a different letter.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>>> flash drive?
>>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>>> E-mail to my instructor.
>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  3 18:19:05 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:19:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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Control s is save wich just saves your changes to the computer. Save as is a 
different feature whereyou save a document as a new document. If you already 
saved it on the computer you want save as. Not sure how to find it on the 
ribbon bar. But in older Word; you hit alt f and arrow to save as. I think 
the short cut key for the save as dialogue box is f 12. Once in the save as 
dialogue box, tab to the my documents and arrow down to the desired
location you're saving in.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive

It isn't working right.
I hit control S, and Jaws doesn't say anything, and nothing comes up.
I'll make a change, and it will say, "Do you want to save the changes
to this doccument?"
I'll select yes, and it will save it.
I don't understand what's going on.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> when you pull up the save as option, it’s a dialogue box. If not, you're
> computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you 
> hear
> my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a 
> letter,
> but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are CD
> drives.
> Once you find the drive, hit enter.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>
> Ashley:
> I'm using Word.
> When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
> dialogue boxes.
> I'll try this again.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
>> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
>> file and paste it to your drive.
>>
>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer 
>>> recognizes
>>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive instead
>>> of
>>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>>> enter
>>> and its saved.
>>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>>> assigns
>>> it a different letter.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>>> flash drive?
>>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>>> E-mail to my instructor.
>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>> Phone;
>> 704-732-4470
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct  3 18:32:06 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:32:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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I hit Alt F, and went to Save As.
I tabbed down, but there's no My Doccuments.
I'll try this again, using f12.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Control s is save wich just saves your changes to the computer. Save as is a
> different feature whereyou save a document as a new document. If you already
> saved it on the computer you want save as. Not sure how to find it on the
> ribbon bar. But in older Word; you hit alt f and arrow to save as. I think
> the short cut key for the save as dialogue box is f 12. Once in the save as
> dialogue box, tab to the my documents and arrow down to the desired
> location you're saving in.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:12 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>
> It isn't working right.
> I hit control S, and Jaws doesn't say anything, and nothing comes up.
> I'll make a change, and it will say, "Do you want to save the changes
> to this doccument?"
> I'll select yes, and it will save it.
> I don't understand what's going on.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> when you pull up the save as option, it’s a dialogue box. If not, you're
>> computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you
>> hear
>> my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a
>> letter,
>> but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are CD
>> drives.
>> Once you find the drive, hit enter.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>
>> Ashley:
>> I'm using Word.
>> When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
>> dialogue boxes.
>> I'll try this again.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
>>> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
>>> file and paste it to your drive.
>>>
>>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer
>>>> recognizes
>>>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive instead
>>>> of
>>>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>>>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>>>> enter
>>>> and its saved.
>>>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>>>> assigns
>>>> it a different letter.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>>
>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>>>> flash drive?
>>>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>>>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>>>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>>>> E-mail to my instructor.
>>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 19:56:43 2011
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:56:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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try to press f12,
shift tab twice, it will say something about my documents or maybe
some file names that you already have etc...
arrow up and down and enter on the folder you wish to save it in,
Sometimes it might already be focused in your document folder,
so you will need to hit the back space untill it says something like,
my documents--my computer--or even your name.
Arrow down untill you find computers.
enter here and go to your thumb drive,
enter and then to any folder if you wish to save in a folder.
tab back to either OK button, or the name of the file.
the name would be two tabs down from the folder diolog box.
enter.

any more questions, if your not understanding still let us know.

On 10/3/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> I hit Alt F, and went to Save As.
> I tabbed down, but there's no My Doccuments.
> I'll try this again, using f12.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Control s is save wich just saves your changes to the computer. Save as is
>> a
>> different feature whereyou save a document as a new document. If you
>> already
>> saved it on the computer you want save as. Not sure how to find it on the
>> ribbon bar. But in older Word; you hit alt f and arrow to save as. I think
>> the short cut key for the save as dialogue box is f 12. Once in the save
>> as
>> dialogue box, tab to the my documents and arrow down to the desired
>> location you're saving in.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:12 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>
>> It isn't working right.
>> I hit control S, and Jaws doesn't say anything, and nothing comes up.
>> I'll make a change, and it will say, "Do you want to save the changes
>> to this doccument?"
>> I'll select yes, and it will save it.
>> I don't understand what's going on.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> when you pull up the save as option, it’s a dialogue box. If not, you're
>>> computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you
>>> hear
>>> my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a
>>> letter,
>>> but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are CD
>>> drives.
>>> Once you find the drive, hit enter.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>
>>> Ashley:
>>> I'm using Word.
>>> When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
>>> dialogue boxes.
>>> I'll try this again.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
>>>> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
>>>> file and paste it to your drive.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer
>>>>> recognizes
>>>>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive
>>>>> instead
>>>>> of
>>>>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>>>>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>>>>> enter
>>>>> and its saved.
>>>>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>>>>> assigns
>>>>> it a different letter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>>>>> flash drive?
>>>>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>>>>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>>>>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>>>>> E-mail to my instructor.
>>>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lea Williams
>>>>
>>>> Phone;
>>>> 704-732-4470
>>>> Skipe;
>>>> Lea.williams738
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>>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080
>>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct  3 21:57:50 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:57:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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Lea:
Thanks alot.
I'll try this.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
> try to press f12,
> shift tab twice, it will say something about my documents or maybe
> some file names that you already have etc...
> arrow up and down and enter on the folder you wish to save it in,
> Sometimes it might already be focused in your document folder,
> so you will need to hit the back space untill it says something like,
> my documents--my computer--or even your name.
> Arrow down untill you find computers.
> enter here and go to your thumb drive,
> enter and then to any folder if you wish to save in a folder.
> tab back to either OK button, or the name of the file.
> the name would be two tabs down from the folder diolog box.
> enter.
>
> any more questions, if your not understanding still let us know.
>
> On 10/3/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> I hit Alt F, and went to Save As.
>> I tabbed down, but there's no My Doccuments.
>> I'll try this again, using f12.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Control s is save wich just saves your changes to the computer. Save as
>>> is
>>> a
>>> different feature whereyou save a document as a new document. If you
>>> already
>>> saved it on the computer you want save as. Not sure how to find it on the
>>> ribbon bar. But in older Word; you hit alt f and arrow to save as. I
>>> think
>>> the short cut key for the save as dialogue box is f 12. Once in the save
>>> as
>>> dialogue box, tab to the my documents and arrow down to the desired
>>> location you're saving in.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:12 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>
>>> It isn't working right.
>>> I hit control S, and Jaws doesn't say anything, and nothing comes up.
>>> I'll make a change, and it will say, "Do you want to save the changes
>>> to this doccument?"
>>> I'll select yes, and it will save it.
>>> I don't understand what's going on.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> when you pull up the save as option, it’s a dialogue box. If not, you're
>>>> computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you
>>>> hear
>>>> my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a
>>>> letter,
>>>> but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are
>>>> CD
>>>> drives.
>>>> Once you find the drive, hit enter.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>>
>>>> Ashley:
>>>> I'm using Word.
>>>> When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
>>>> dialogue boxes.
>>>> I'll try this again.
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
>>>>> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
>>>>> file and paste it to your drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer
>>>>>> recognizes
>>>>>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>>>>>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>>>>>> enter
>>>>>> and its saved.
>>>>>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>>>>>> assigns
>>>>>> it a different letter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>>>>>> flash drive?
>>>>>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>>>>>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>>>>>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>>>>>> E-mail to my instructor.
>>>>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>> Phone;
>>>>> 704-732-4470
>>>>> Skipe;
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  3 22:16:59 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:16:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving documents to a flash drive
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Joshua,

First, name your flash drive since this makes for easy retrieval when
you have to select it as a storage option. To do this, pop your flash
drive into the appropriate slot on your computer or notetaking device.
Go to My Computer, select your flash drive, which may be called
something like Removable disk, hit the Alt and Enter key to open up the
properties menu, a dialogue will open up, the first field will be flash
drive, then type whatever you want to name it and hit enter.

Second, usually once you insert a flash drive into your computer, it
automatically opens, but if it doesn't, go to My Computer and select the
flash drive to open it up.

Now, to make this really easy, simply go to wherever your document is
stored, such as My Documents or another folder, then select the document
and press the V key and Control key to cut, then hit the Alt and Tab
until you're back to the flash drive window and just hit the Control and
C key to copy the document into your flash drive. Simple! 

Bridgit
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:24:30 -0500
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
flash drive? What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this? Noone
ever taught me how to do this. I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western
Civilization, that I need to E-mail to my instructor. Thanks for your
assistance. Blessings, Joshua



From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct  3 22:21:30 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:21:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving documents to a flash drive
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Lea's suggestion worked for me.
It's listed under traveldrive, on my computer.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
>
> First, name your flash drive since this makes for easy retrieval when
> you have to select it as a storage option. To do this, pop your flash
> drive into the appropriate slot on your computer or notetaking device.
> Go to My Computer, select your flash drive, which may be called
> something like Removable disk, hit the Alt and Enter key to open up the
> properties menu, a dialogue will open up, the first field will be flash
> drive, then type whatever you want to name it and hit enter.
>
> Second, usually once you insert a flash drive into your computer, it
> automatically opens, but if it doesn't, go to My Computer and select the
> flash drive to open it up.
>
> Now, to make this really easy, simply go to wherever your document is
> stored, such as My Documents or another folder, then select the document
> and press the V key and Control key to cut, then hit the Alt and Tab
> until you're back to the flash drive window and just hit the Control and
> C key to copy the document into your flash drive. Simple!
>
> Bridgit
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:24:30 -0500
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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> 	
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
> flash drive? What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this? Noone
> ever taught me how to do this. I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western
> Civilization, that I need to E-mail to my instructor. Thanks for your
> assistance. Blessings, Joshua
>
>
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 22:40:11 2011
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:40:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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Hello, 
You need to press f12. that will bring up the save as dialog box. Press
alt+I to get into the save in combobox and down arrow till you find your
drive. Then press enter and tab 3 times to get into your folders list from
that drive. If you do not want to save it in any folder just hit alt+S and
it will save.


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:13 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive

It isn't working right.
I hit control S, and Jaws doesn't say anything, and nothing comes up.
I'll make a change, and it will say, "Do you want to save the changes
to this doccument?"
I'll select yes, and it will save it.
I don't understand what's going on.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> when you pull up the save as option, it's a dialogue box. If not, you're
> computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you
hear
> my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a
letter,
> but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are CD
> drives.
> Once you find the drive, hit enter.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>
> Ashley:
> I'm using Word.
> When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
> dialogue boxes.
> I'll try this again.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
>> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
>> file and paste it to your drive.
>>
>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer
recognizes
>>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive instead
>>> of
>>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>>> enter
>>> and its saved.
>>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>>> assigns
>>> it a different letter.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>>> flash drive?
>>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>>> E-mail to my instructor.
>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 23:15:38 2011
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:15:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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cool, did not know about this.

On 10/3/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> You need to press f12. that will bring up the save as dialog box. Press
> alt+I to get into the save in combobox and down arrow till you find your
> drive. Then press enter and tab 3 times to get into your folders list from
> that drive. If you do not want to save it in any folder just hit alt+S and
> it will save.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:13 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>
> It isn't working right.
> I hit control S, and Jaws doesn't say anything, and nothing comes up.
> I'll make a change, and it will say, "Do you want to save the changes
> to this doccument?"
> I'll select yes, and it will save it.
> I don't understand what's going on.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> when you pull up the save as option, it's a dialogue box. If not, you're
>> computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you
> hear
>> my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a
> letter,
>> but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are CD
>> drives.
>> Once you find the drive, hit enter.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>
>> Ashley:
>> I'm using Word.
>> When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
>> dialogue boxes.
>> I'll try this again.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
>>> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
>>> file and paste it to your drive.
>>>
>>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer
> recognizes
>>>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive instead
>>>> of
>>>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>>>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>>>> enter
>>>> and its saved.
>>>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>>>> assigns
>>>> it a different letter.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>>
>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>>>> flash drive?
>>>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>>>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>>>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>>>> E-mail to my instructor.
>>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct  3 23:34:05 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:34:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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Lea:
I finally got them saved to the flash drive.
Now, I have another problem.
I was taught, that I could go into my E-mail, compose a message, and
put the file in the attachments.
Well, when I type in the file name, in the upload files edit box, it
tells me, that there's no such file.
I don't understand what's going on.
Thanks for your help.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
> cool, did not know about this.
>
> On 10/3/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> You need to press f12. that will bring up the save as dialog box. Press
>> alt+I to get into the save in combobox and down arrow till you find your
>> drive. Then press enter and tab 3 times to get into your folders list from
>> that drive. If you do not want to save it in any folder just hit alt+S and
>> it will save.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:13 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>
>> It isn't working right.
>> I hit control S, and Jaws doesn't say anything, and nothing comes up.
>> I'll make a change, and it will say, "Do you want to save the changes
>> to this doccument?"
>> I'll select yes, and it will save it.
>> I don't understand what's going on.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> when you pull up the save as option, it's a dialogue box. If not, you're
>>> computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you
>> hear
>>> my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a
>> letter,
>>> but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are CD
>>> drives.
>>> Once you find the drive, hit enter.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>
>>> Ashley:
>>> I'm using Word.
>>> When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
>>> dialogue boxes.
>>> I'll try this again.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
>>>> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
>>>> file and paste it to your drive.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer
>> recognizes
>>>>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive
>>>>> instead
>>>>> of
>>>>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>>>>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I. Hit
>>>>> enter
>>>>> and its saved.
>>>>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>>>>> assigns
>>>>> it a different letter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>>>>> flash drive?
>>>>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>>>>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>>>>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need to
>>>>> E-mail to my instructor.
>>>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct  3 23:43:46 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:43:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
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Never mind.
I figured it out.
Thanks, Joshua

On 10/3/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Lea:
> I finally got them saved to the flash drive.
> Now, I have another problem.
> I was taught, that I could go into my E-mail, compose a message, and
> put the file in the attachments.
> Well, when I type in the file name, in the upload files edit box, it
> tells me, that there's no such file.
> I don't understand what's going on.
> Thanks for your help.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> cool, did not know about this.
>>
>> On 10/3/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> You need to press f12. that will bring up the save as dialog box. Press
>>> alt+I to get into the save in combobox and down arrow till you find your
>>> drive. Then press enter and tab 3 times to get into your folders list
>>> from
>>> that drive. If you do not want to save it in any folder just hit alt+S
>>> and
>>> it will save.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:13 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>
>>> It isn't working right.
>>> I hit control S, and Jaws doesn't say anything, and nothing comes up.
>>> I'll make a change, and it will say, "Do you want to save the changes
>>> to this doccument?"
>>> I'll select yes, and it will save it.
>>> I don't understand what's going on.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> when you pull up the save as option, it's a dialogue box. If not,
>>>> you're
>>>> computer isn't working in a standard manner. You tab through it til you
>>> hear
>>>> my documents and arrow down to select your thumb drive. It will be a
>>> letter,
>>>> but its not C since that is the computer drive, or D or E as those are
>>>> CD
>>>> drives.
>>>> Once you find the drive, hit enter.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:50 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>>
>>>> Ashley:
>>>> I'm using Word.
>>>> When I go to Save As, I save the file, but it doesn't give me any
>>>> dialogue boxes.
>>>> I'll try this again.
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> you can do what Ashley said or if that is to much to do at the moment,
>>>>> then save it like you would any other file and then go and copy the
>>>>> file and paste it to your drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Are you using Word. You insert the drive and once the computer
>>> recognizes
>>>>>> it, you go to the save dialogue box. You select your thumb drive
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the default which is saving to my documents.
>>>>>> You arrow down the list to select the drive which in my case is I.
>>>>>> Hit
>>>>>> enter
>>>>>> and its saved.
>>>>>> Its had to give directions as I don't know your drive; each computer
>>>>>> assigns
>>>>>> it a different letter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Saving doccuments to a flash drive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>>>>> I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
>>>>>> flash drive?
>>>>>> What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this?
>>>>>> Noone ever taught me how to do this.
>>>>>> I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western Civilization, that I need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> E-mail to my instructor.
>>>>>> Thanks for your assistance.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
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From aubielynn at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 05:38:33 2011
From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:38:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving documents to a flash drive
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You can also hit F2 when on the flash drive inMy Computer to rename it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:17 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Saving documents to a flash drive

Joshua,

First, name your flash drive since this makes for easy retrieval when
you have to select it as a storage option. To do this, pop your flash
drive into the appropriate slot on your computer or notetaking device.
Go to My Computer, select your flash drive, which may be called
something like Removable disk, hit the Alt and Enter key to open up the
properties menu, a dialogue will open up, the first field will be flash
drive, then type whatever you want to name it and hit enter.

Second, usually once you insert a flash drive into your computer, it
automatically opens, but if it doesn't, go to My Computer and select the
flash drive to open it up.

Now, to make this really easy, simply go to wherever your document is
stored, such as My Documents or another folder, then select the document
and press the V key and Control key to cut, then hit the Alt and Tab
until you're back to the flash drive window and just hit the Control and
C key to copy the document into your flash drive. Simple! 

Bridgit
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:24:30 -0500
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Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
I'm embarrassed to even ask this, but how do you save doccuments to a
flash drive? What are the Jaws keyboard shortcuts, to do this? Noone
ever taught me how to do this. I'm writing 2 video summaries for Western
Civilization, that I need to E-mail to my instructor. Thanks for your
assistance. Blessings, Joshua


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From isaac.hebert at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 09:43:51 2011
From: isaac.hebert at gmail.com (Isaac)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 04:43:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 60, Issue 2
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>   4. Re: help creating a Facebook group page (Chris Nusbaum)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:47:23 -0400
> From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
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> Hello Arielle,
> 
> My sister has a laptop with JAWS 11 and Windows 7 installed on it that she 
> lets me use from time to time. Since I am use to using Windows XP, I had 
> some problems figuring out how to use the Windows 7 operating system, but I 
> did not seem to encounter any problems as far as accessibility is concerned. 
> I have never heard my sister complain about any accessibility problems 
> either.
> 
> however, she has not upgraded to Internet Explorer 9, so I do not know how 
> well this program works with JAWS 11.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:16 PM
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have a license for JAWS 11 and just upgraded my netbook computer to
>> Windows 7. I don't have an SMA, so if I want to upgrade to JAWS 12 I
>> have to pay for it. I am running JAWS 12 in demo mode temporarily
>> until I decide whether or not to upgrade. In your experience, does
>> JAWS 11 work well with Windows 7 or is it critical to upgrade to 12 to
>> get the best accessibility? I have to say that in the past I have
>> found little benefit from upgrading, which is why I don't have an SMA
>> and am hesitant to spend the money unless the upgrade is really
>> important, so I would appreciate some honest feedback.
>> Also, I noticed that the technician who installed Windows 7 on my
>> computer also installed Internet Explorer 9. I recall some listers
>> saying it is not accessible with JAWS 12, but I used it just to check
>> email and had no problems. What exactly is inaccessible about IE 9?
>> Thanks!
>> Arielle
>> 
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> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:25:56 -0700
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@stanford.edu>
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> TIA,
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 18:19:00 -0400
> From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
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> 
> Hi Arielle,
>  Looking at some of the earlier threads, it seems that those who
> suggested that IE 9 is not accessible got some misinformation-- JAWS
> 12 does work with iE 9. I doubt that JAWS 11 would work with it
> though, but since IE 8 is still pretty widely available you should be
> able to download and use that instead. I'm personally still using
> Windows XP, but I know other blind people who are running the Windows
> 7 and JAWS 11 combo and have never heard any accessibility complaints.
> I'm curious about your reference to a netbook computer. Is it a lot
> smaller than a standard laptop? Do you use it as a secondary computer
> when you are traveling, or is it pretty much your primary computing
> device? What are its capabilities? I'm on the market for a new
> computer so i'm just curious about what my options are. Thanks!
>   Katie
> 
> On 10/1/11, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Arielle,
>> 
>> My sister has a laptop with JAWS 11 and Windows 7 installed on it that she
>> lets me use from time to time. Since I am use to using Windows XP, I had
>> some problems figuring out how to use the Windows 7 operating system, but I
>> did not seem to encounter any problems as far as accessibility is concerned.
>> I have never heard my sister complain about any accessibility problems
>> either.
>> 
>> however, she has not upgraded to Internet Explorer 9, so I do not know how
>> well this program works with JAWS 11.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:16 PM
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a license for JAWS 11 and just upgraded my netbook computer to
>>> Windows 7. I don't have an SMA, so if I want to upgrade to JAWS 12 I
>>> have to pay for it. I am running JAWS 12 in demo mode temporarily
>>> until I decide whether or not to upgrade. In your experience, does
>>> JAWS 11 work well with Windows 7 or is it critical to upgrade to 12 to
>>> get the best accessibility? I have to say that in the past I have
>>> found little benefit from upgrading, which is why I don't have an SMA
>>> and am hesitant to spend the money unless the upgrade is really
>>> important, so I would appreciate some honest feedback.
>>> Also, I noticed that the technician who installed Windows 7 on my
>>> computer also installed Internet Explorer 9. I recall some listers
>>> saying it is not accessible with JAWS 12, but I used it just to check
>>> email and had no problems. What exactly is inaccessible about IE 9?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Arielle
>>> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:41:21 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>    list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] help creating a Facebook group page
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> 
> Hi Annemarie,
> 
> Actually, I'd say that if I'm understanding your client's purpose 
> correctly, she'd probably be better off with a fan page.  This is 
> because a group is mainly for discussion and interaction between 
> people interested and involved in a certain thing.  For example, 
> as a 2011 LAW Program participant, I'm in the NFB LAW Program 
> 2011 group on Facebook so I can interact with other participants 
> and parents/chaperones at the program.  Most businesses use a fan 
> page if they're only looking to post announcements for a 
> business, and anyone wishing to receive such announcements is 
> asked to like (or be a fan of) the page.  Fans of the page will 
> only see announcements if the administrator of the page posts it 
> in a status update.  If the fans want to get other updates and 
> wall posts from other fans, they need to go to the fan page's 
> wall and look at the recent posts.  I know that many businesses 
> want to interact with their customers, but setting up a Facebook 
> group would be like setting up a listserve like this one, and I 
> don't think many businesses want that.  If she only wants it for 
> announcements, I would suggest a page rather than a group.  If 
> fans want to post comments, they can post it on the business's 
> wall.  However, the choice is up to her; if she wants a group, 
> she can create one, although I don't suggest it.  But I won't try 
> to tell you or her what to do.  If she wants a group, I'm sorry 
> but I can't be of much help, as I don't know how to create one, 
> nor join one on the mobile site.  Does anyone know? There is also 
> a list for blind Facebook users where you can post questions like 
> this one.  To subscribe, send a blank email with the subject 
> Subscribe to bfb-subscribe at yahoogroups.com.  Hope this helps!
> 
> Chris
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National 
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
> 
>  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: 
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
> 
> 
> Sent from my BrailleNote
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Annemarie Cooke <aec732 at msn.com
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:13:40 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] help creating a Facebook group page
> 
> 
> Please excuse cross-post; I realized that this list may be my 
> best resource for my question.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I am working with a client to develop a page for her business on 
> FB.  I created a page and invited people to "Like" her business 
> but it seems I should have created a "Group" instead of a fan 
> page as no one is able to see page updates....
> Any way to re-create this Group pageusing the material already on 
> the fan page?
> 
> Many thanks!
> You can message me off list if that works better...
> Annemarie Cooke
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 18:01:43 -0600
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
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>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
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> Hi all,
> Thanks for your help. I downgraded to JAWS 11 and actually like it
> slightly better than 12, at least so far. I am using JAWS 11 with IE 9
> and so far having no problems.
> I love my netbook and use it as my primary computer, with an old Dell
> laptop running Windows XP as my secondary computer. I can run all the
> applications I normally use on my netbook (all of the Microsoft Office
> suite, Internet, Outlook etc.) and really don't notice the slower
> processor at all. It also works fine with JAWS and with a portable
> Braille display. The main advantage for me is the lightweight, compact
> design, not to mention the price (I think I spent about $400 including
> accessories, vs. $1000 plus for a conventional laptop). The only thing
> is that I'm noticing a slight bit of slowness in the Microsoft Office
> 2010 applications, which I don't know if that's due to the netbook
> processor, JAWS compatibility or just to my not quite having learned
> the new system. So I can't comment yet on how well Windows 7 runs on a
> netbook, but I can say for sure that Windows XP will run just fine on
> a netbook and I would recommend a netbook to any student in need of a
> new computer, especially if you are on a budget, and I think voc rehab
> could save thousands of dollars if they started buying netbooks for
> blind students instead of those bulkier and much more expensive
> laptops. That said, if anyone has had any disappointing experiences
> with netbooks or noticed problems I haven't experienced, please do
> contradict my enthusiasm.
> HTH,
> Arielle
> 
> On 10/1/11, Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Arielle,
>>  Looking at some of the earlier threads, it seems that those who
>> suggested that IE 9 is not accessible got some misinformation-- JAWS
>> 12 does work with iE 9. I doubt that JAWS 11 would work with it
>> though, but since IE 8 is still pretty widely available you should be
>> able to download and use that instead. I'm personally still using
>> Windows XP, but I know other blind people who are running the Windows
>> 7 and JAWS 11 combo and have never heard any accessibility complaints.
>> I'm curious about your reference to a netbook computer. Is it a lot
>> smaller than a standard laptop? Do you use it as a secondary computer
>> when you are traveling, or is it pretty much your primary computing
>> device? What are its capabilities? I'm on the market for a new
>> computer so i'm just curious about what my options are. Thanks!
>>   Katie
>> 
>> On 10/1/11, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Arielle,
>>> 
>>> My sister has a laptop with JAWS 11 and Windows 7 installed on it that she
>>> lets me use from time to time. Since I am use to using Windows XP, I had
>>> some problems figuring out how to use the Windows 7 operating system, but
>>> I
>>> did not seem to encounter any problems as far as accessibility is
>>> concerned.
>>> I have never heard my sister complain about any accessibility problems
>>> either.
>>> 
>>> however, she has not upgraded to Internet Explorer 9, so I do not know how
>>> well this program works with JAWS 11.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:16 PM
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 vs. 12 with Windows 7
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have a license for JAWS 11 and just upgraded my netbook computer to
>>>> Windows 7. I don't have an SMA, so if I want to upgrade to JAWS 12 I
>>>> have to pay for it. I am running JAWS 12 in demo mode temporarily
>>>> until I decide whether or not to upgrade. In your experience, does
>>>> JAWS 11 work well with Windows 7 or is it critical to upgrade to 12 to
>>>> get the best accessibility? I have to say that in the past I have
>>>> found little benefit from upgrading, which is why I don't have an SMA
>>>> and am hesitant to spend the money unless the upgrade is really
>>>> important, so I would appreciate some honest feedback.
>>>> Also, I noticed that the technician who installed Windows 7 on my
>>>> computer also installed Internet Explorer 9. I recall some listers
>>>> saying it is not accessible with JAWS 12, but I used it just to check
>>>> email and had no problems. What exactly is inaccessible about IE 9?
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Arielle
>>>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:26:09 -0400
> From: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Connecting the Dots Newsletter,    Summer and Back
>    to School Edition!
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> Hello All!
> I hope you are all doing well!
> Below you will find the Georgia Association of Blind Students official
> newsletter, Connecting the Dots.
> Thanks to Ms. Nikki Jackson who works so hard to put this newsletter
> together. And thanks to all who contributed!
> Enjoy
> 
> On B.L.A.S.T.
> 
> NFB Conducts Successful Protests
> Across the Nation
> (www.nfb.org)
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind conducted over twenty
> informational protests across the United States to raise awareness
> about the practice of paying wages below the federal minimum wage to
> Americans with disabilities.  The protests were held on the
> twenty-first anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act at the
> primary district office locations of United States senators serving on
> the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (the
> HELP Committee).  The HELP Committee is currently considering
> legislation?the Workforce Investment Act?which would reauthorize the
> payment of subminimum wages to disabled workers.
> 
> Lakeisha Holmes, A student at Valdosta State University, had the
> oppourtunity to participate in this historic event, while working as a
> Braille instructor at the Colorado Center for the Blind?s Summer
> Enrichment Program. Here is her experience in her own words:
> 
> ?Equal Rights, Equal Pay, We Want Equal Wages Today!?
> On the early morning of Tuesday July 26, 2011, blind and sighted
> individuals from across the state of Colorado caught buses to downtown
> Denver to participate in a protest that could possibly change the
> lives of blind individuals across the country. We were all fighting
> for the equal wages of blind working individuals. The protest started
> around 10:00 AM in front of Senator Bennett's office. We all held
> signs reading "Do you believe in equality or Exploitation?? As we held
> our picket signs, we chanted "Equal rights, equal pay. We want equal
> rights today." This was an amazing experience for me. I had never
> participated in a protest before and to know I was doing it for an
> amazing cause made me excited. We chanted and marched nearly two
> hours. After our vocal efforts, we were hoping that a representative
> would come and address the crowd. Unfortunately, we were not granted
> this request. However, this did not discourage us and we knew our
> efforts did not go in vain.  I am grateful to have been a part of such
> an amazing event. I am also glad that I got to have this experience
> alongside my wonderful Colorado Center for the Blind Summer Enrichment
> students! I hope they had a great experience as I did! Because of our
> protesting, the bill to vote on subminimum wages for blind individuals
> was delayed and wouldn't be signed for another full month. That made
> everyone involved realize that they did something amazing. Thanks to
> the Colorado Center for the Blind for allowing me a chance to take
> part of such an unforgettable movement.
> 
> The Opportunity Of a Lifetime
> By
> Mary Fernandez
>    
> ?Oh Mary, who do you know at the White House?? At hearing those words,
> my whole body perked up. Just moments ago, my biceps had been
> screaming at me.  They were not used to carrying twenty pound boxes
> across campus, But as I heard the question coming from a post office
> worker who was peaking at my mail, I immediately forgot the pain.
> Dying to know what exactly that little envelope from the White House
> contained, I ran to my apartment across campus. I made it in record
> time and thankfully one of my roommates was sitting in the living
> room. I breathlessly greeted her and started to hand her the envelope.
> Seeing the address, she did not even wait for me to ask if she could
> please read it. Excitedly, she tore it open and began to read:
> ?The President and Mrs. Obama cordially request the pleasure of your
> company at the Cinco de Mayo celebration being held at the White
> House.?
> After much screaming and squeaking, I began to plan for the big day.
>     Amidst my finals and moving out of college for the summer, I also
> had to figure out the all-important problem of what one wore to a
> gathering with the President of the United States, and who did one
> take? That next weekend found me shopping for a dress I would change
> the day before the event to another dress that I had fallen in love
> with, but decided to leave in the store at the last minute. The shoes
> and the jewelry were picked out. The makeup bag was replenished with
> all the right shades to make me look stunning that night and my date
> was chosen. Finally May 5th came along. My stomach was filled with
> butterfly as I got dressed. Thanks to the nerves, my usually rock
> steady hand when applying mascara was not so steady, which slowed me
> down some, But finally I was all primped and ready to go.
>    After going through three security points, we began to walk along the
> perimeter of the Southwest lawn of the White House. We finally arrived
> at the East entrance and were welcomed by the staff who gave us
> further directions. The feeling of the White house was of complete
> elegance. Nothing was overstated. There was no golden tapestry, but
> rather quiet tones, natural plants and beautiful marble floors. We
> proceeded to the upstairs of the East Wing. And as we entered, Marines
> dressed in Mariachi regalia played Mexican music. As we walked further
> into this space, we were greeted by even more staff and were offered
> drinks. Yes, the White House has a full bar. After grabbing some
> bubbly, we continued to explore.
>    Most of the East Wing was opened to guests. That meant we were able
> to see the Blue, Yellow, Green and Red rooms. Many of these rooms were
> favored by one President or another. My favorite was the Red Room,
> which is where the First Lady holds her social gatherings. There was
> some beautiful furniture and I took pictures sitting on some of the
> First Lady?s couches. The event was being held in the East Room, which
> is where the President, just the week before, had delivered his
> remarks on the Bin Laden capture and death. We also got the chance to
> see the State Dining Room, which is just a big dining room with many
> tables.
>    After chatting with the Marines stationed at each room, my companion
> and I found out that the President would be doing a rope line.
> Basically, anyone standing closest to the rope, which would separate
> the audience from where he would be standing during his remarks, would
> get to shake his hand. Armed with this information, we proceeded to
> the East Room and stood right by the rope before the crowd got any
> bigger. Soon, everyone began to gather in the East Room and although
> it was only about 300 people, we were standing shoulder to shoulder.
> At last, the President came out and immediately, cameras began going
> off from every person in the audience. Not about to be outdone, I
> talked the lady NEX to me into taking some shots of the President and
> the First Lady.
>    After the President was done speaking, the rope was let down and the
> crowd began to surge to the next rope up, which would be where the
> President and Mrs. Obama would be meeting us. I immediately grabbed my
> date?s hand and did my Jersey girl thing and began to push through the
> crowd to get my spot. Fortunately, most people realized what I was
> doing and that I had a cane so they gently steered me in the right
> direction. Finally, I felt the beautiful velvet rope in front of me
> and with it the certitude that I would be meeting the President of the
> United States. While we waited, the Secret Service agent closest to us
> explained that President Obama and his wife would not be able to stand
> and take pictures with us so if we wanted more pictures to take them
> as they came down the rope line.    Finally, I could hear Michelle
> Obama?s voice right next to me. I?m extremely proud of how cool and
> composed I remained, despite the fact that I was meeting the first
> lady of the United States. As she stood in front of me, she grabbed my
> hand, but someone else was trying to talk to her. She quickly ended
> the conversation and gave me a hug! I told her how wonderful I thought
> she was and how I admired her sense of style and the elegant way she
> carried herself. She thanked me and expressed her appreciation for
> attending the event followed by a hug. I realize she said the same
> thing to pretty much everyone there that night, but I was okay with
> that. Michelle Obama had hugged me, Mary Fernandez!
>    The President came next. My date had a few words for him that he had
> always wanted to tell the President. Obama bestowed a man hug on him
> and then moved to me. I must admit, the first thing that struck me was
> that his hands were kind of small, and that his wife was almost as
> tall as he was. Although, I had managed to be somewhat coherent with
> his wife, all I could say was, ?Mr. President, I just want to tell you
> that we love you.? He said, ?Awl. I love you too.? And while still
> holding my right hand, he reached up and touched my curls! Yes, he
> touched my hair!
>    After I had recuperated sufficiently, we grabbed a few Hors d'oeuvres
> and soon it was time to go. As we walked out into the perfect DC
> night, and stood in front of the East Portico of the White House for a
> last picture, I knew that as long as I lived I would never forget the
> night that Michelle Obama hugged me and Barack Obama touched my hair.
> 
> DID YOU KNOW???
> 
> Did You Know:
> Bernard Morin, born 1931, was a French mathematician who is now
> retired. He has been blind since age 6, but his blindness did not
> prevent him from having a successful career in mathematics. Morin was
> a member of the group that first exhibited an eversion of the sphere,
> i.e. a homotopy (topological metamorphosis) which starts with a sphere
> and ends with the same sphere but turned inside-out. He also
> discovered the Morin surface, which is a half-way model for the sphere
> eversion, and used it to prove a lower bound on the number of steps
> needed to turn a sphere inside out.
> 
> Did You Know:
> Erik Weihenmayer - born September 23, 1968 - is the first blind person
> to reach the summit of Mount Everest, on May 25, 2001. Erik was born
> with a disease called retinoschisis and became totally blind by the
> age of 13. He has also completed the Seven Summits in September 2002.
> Erik is also an acrobatic skydiver, long distance biker, marathon
> runner, skier, mountaineer, ice climber, and rock climber. In 2004, he
> led an expedition in Tibet called Climbing Blind project, including
> blind teens from the Braille Without Borders school for blind at
> Lhasa, Tibet.
> 
> Who?s Hot???
> Name: Shaquanteay Mack
> Age: 23
> Hometown: Sandersville, Georgia
> Why She?s Hot: Shaquantaey, the creator of Connecting The Dots, is the
> first person from Georgia to attend Blind Incorporated, a NFB training
> center located in Minneapolis,  Minnesota. After completing her
> training, she was selected to serve as a summer counselor for Blind
> Inc?s summer enrichment program. Since returning to Georgia,
> Shaquantaey is attending the university of Georgia, where she is
> working towards her MBA. Shaquantaey is not only striving to make a
> difference in her own life, but she gives back in the efforts to make
> a difference in the lives of others. For that Ms. Mack, we commend
> you.
> 
> Now That?s Hot!!!
> 
> Eight Great Apps For The iPhone
> http://assistivetechnology.about.com/od/ATCAT6/a/Top-Iphone-Apps-For-The-Blind-And-Visually-Impaired.htm
> 
> Apple TV commercials are so visually stunning they make the company's
> advancements in assistive technology all the more impressive. Products
> such as the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch are becomingly increasingly
> accessible to blind and visually impaired people.
> With screen-access technology (VoiceOver) and a magnification program
> (Zoom) built into its iOS mobile operating system, users can enlarge
> the screen for easier viewing or drag a finger over it to hear app
> names and onscreen content read aloud.
> Here are 8 popular apps designed to help blind and visually impaired
> people use their mobile devices. All of these work on the iPhone (3GS
> and up); iPod touch (3rd generation and up); and the iPad 2.
> 1. LookTel Money Reader
> The LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) recognizes US currency in standard
> denominations ($1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100 bills) enabling
> blind and visually impaired people to quickly identify and count
> bills. Point the iPhone camera at any US bill and LookTel's object
> recognition technology via VoiceOver tells users the denomination in
> real time. Best to organize bills before hitting the nightclub; the
> app doesn't work as well in low light.
> 2. SayText
> SayText (free), developed by Norfello Oy, scans text within any image,
> such as a medical form or restaurant menu, and reads it aloud. Center
> the document under the iPhone camera and double-tap the "Take Picture"
> button. Then raise it slowly: a beep indicates that the entire
> document is in the phone's frame. The app's Optical Character
> Recognition utility then scans the text. Tap the screen for status
> updates. Once scanned, swipe right on the screen to hear the document.
> 3. Color Identifier
> GreenGar Studios' Color Identifier ($1.99) uses the iPhone camera to
> identify and speak color names aloud. Shades identified are specific
> to the point of annoyance (Paris Daisy, Moon Mist) for some users. The
> company makes a free app called Color ID Free that sticks to basic
> colors. Blind people will never wear mix-matched socks or the wrong
> shirt again. An interesting offshoot is using the app to distinguish
> shades of sky, enabling one to experience sunsets or gauge possible
> weather changes.
> 4. TalkingTag LV
> TalkingTag(tm) LV ($9.99) from TalkingTag enables blind people to
> label everyday items with special coded stickers. Users scan each
> sticker with the iPhone camera and record and replay via VoiceOver up
> to a 1-minute audio message identifying what's being labeled. The app
> is ideal for organizing a DVD collection, locating boxes during a
> move, or picking the right jelly jar from the refrigerator. Stickers
> can be erased and recorded over.
> 5. RFB&D Audio
> The RFB&D app ($19.99) provides access to Learning Ally's library of
> more than 65,000 audiobooks is considered the best source for K-12 and
> college-level textbooks. Users can download and play on all iOS
> devices. A Learning Ally membership is required and is free to those
> with print disabilities, including visual impairments and dyslexia.
> Readers navigate DAISY books by page number and chapter, can adjust
> playback speed, and place electronic bookmarks throughout the text.
> Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic became Learning Ally in April 2011.
> 6. Navigon MobileNavigator North America
> NAVIGON's MobileNavigator North America ($44.99) transforms the iPhone
> into a fully functional mobile navigation system that uses the latest
> NAVTEQ map material. The app offers text-to-speech voice guidance,
> enhanced pedestrian navigation, a turn-by-turn RouteList, location
> sharing via email, and a Take Me Home function. It also provides
> direct access and navigation to iPhone address book contacts.
> Navigation is automatically resumed after an incoming phone call.
> 7. Talking Calculator
> This easy-to-read app calculator ($0.99) speaks button names, numbers,
> and answers aloud through a customizable built-in directory that lets
> users record their own voice. Button names are spoken as your finger
> moves over the screen. Double tapping activates enters buttons. The
> calculator also has a high-contrast display mode to enhance
> visibility. Developer Adam Croser also makes the Talking Scientific
> Calculator app.
> 8. iBlink Radio
> Serotek Corporation's iBlink Radio was the first application promoting
> the digital lifestyle among the visually impaired, providing access to
> community web radio stations with formats spanning every genre. The
> iBlink network also offers radio reading services (USA Today, the New
> York Times, among hundreds), and podcasts covering assistive
> technology, independent living, travel, and more. The app's latest
> player toolbars simplifies navigation.
> 
> F.Y.I. (For Your Information)
> 
> October 2011: Meet the Blind Month
> (www.nfb.org)
> 
> Meet the Blind Month is our nationwide campaign to increase awareness
> of and support for the National Federation of the Blind (NFB). During
> the entire month of October, affiliates and chapters throughout the
> country will be joining forces to spread the message that the NFB is
> the voice of the nation?s blind and that blind people are the best
> resource for learning about vision loss, blindness, and
> rehabilitation.
> The CTD Newsteam encourages you to get involved. Find a local chapter
> in your city and get out into the community to help shatter the
> misconceptions about blindness. Whether it be passing literature out
> to the public or taking the time out to read books to children at the
> local library, get out and do your part!
> 
> 
> 38TH Annual NFB of Georgia State Convention
> (www.nfbga.org)
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind of Georgia would like to invite
> you to our Thirty-Eighth Annual State Convention. Our theme is: ?Let?s
> Go, Let?s Grow, Let?s Glow.? This year, our State Convention will be
> held on Friday, October 7 thru Sunday, October 9, at the Macon
> Marriott City Hotel | 240 Coliseum Drive | Macon, GA 31217. The State
> Convention of the National Federation of the Blind of Georgia is the
> largest gathering of the blind in the state. Approximately 200 blind
> people, family members, friends, and blindness service providers come
> together for a weekend of seminars, presentations, workshops, and
> general discussions on training, technology, and strategies for
> improving the quality of life of blind people. The following is just a
> sample of the topics and activities:
> 
> * NFB-NEWSLINE? New Features and Enhancements
> * Braille Literacy Initiatives
> * Georgians Empowered Through Mentoring Success
> * Braille Enrichment through Literacy and Non-visual Learning
> * NFB Youth Slam
> * Parents of blind Children Seminar
> * Blind Students Luncheon
> * Updates on State Education and Rehabilitation Programs
> For more information call the office at 1-866-316-3242. It promises to
> be an exciting and educational weekend.
> 
> Bline Tech Support.. What is it?
> 
>       Meet Neil McCullough. A guy from the northern part of Ireland
> who went against the mad dash of IPopularity and got himself a Droid.
> At first, there was a lot of controversy on how accessible the Droid
> was as compared to the IPhone. And that was how the idea was born.
>       Together with a group of friends, Neil thought to himself,
> ?What if I could prove it? What if I could compare, and contrast the
> two?? So he and his wife started a comparison on the things in which
> the two devices were similar, and demonstrating the differences. That
> was how the first podcast came to be. And, because of the nature of
> the ideas, the demonstrations of the products, this collection of
> podcasts began to grow.
> Now, it is a creative, and very demonstrative website: Blind Tech
> Support. Their podcasts range from further comparisons of IPhones to
> Droids, but to other things such as how to use certain aps on both
> devices. They even cover a range of topics involving screen readers:
> Jaws, NVDA, and WindowEyes.
>       This website is still growing, however, and they could use the
> ideas any of us are willing to give. Even visiting their website just
> to promote them is a big help. Any ideas are welcome, just post a
> comment on the new boards that are now appearing. Blind Tech Support
> is a great, interactive user?s guide for anyone learning any of these
> 2 phones, or using new programs with screen readers. These are just
> regular guys, who don?t know, who don?t even pretend to know,
> everything there is to know about these things. But the things they do
> know, they share with the hope that we will take what they have to
> offer and pass it along.
>       So, if you have a moment, go check out www.blindtechsupport.net
> Follow then on twitter at, @Blindtechsupport. Like their page on
> facebook at  http://facebook.com/blindtechsupport/. But overall, happy
> learnings!!
> 
> Ruth With The Truth
> 
> Dear Ruth,
> 
> I am sixteen years old and I have never been shopping on my own. I
> live with my grandmother and she believes that since I am blind, I
> can?t pick out my own clothes. I love my grandmother, but her idea of
> style is tops with ruffles and long skirts that sweep the floor.
> Yuck!!! I have gotten ideas from my friends on how to shop as a blind
> person and I am constantly reading the online fashion blogs to keep up
> with the latest trends. How do I convince my grandmother that I am
> able to do my own shopping? Please help!!!
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Granny Skirts and Ruffled Shirts
> 
> Dear Granny Skirts,
> 
> Firstly, you should try talking to your grandmother about the
> situation. Try explaining to her that blind people use alternative
> techniques to do their shopping. If possible, show her the fashion
> blogs and how the trends are always changing. Most importantly, you
> should show your grandmother that you can shop independently the next
> time you two go out to the store. Talk is one thing, but action is
> another! Hopefully, she will see that you are very capable of
> selecting your own clothes. I am sure she will give you this freedom
> sooner than later and maybe you could show her a fashion thing or two.
> Good luck!
> 
> Ruth
> 
> Upcoming Events
> 
> October 7-9                NFBGA State Convention
> October 23                GABS Teleconference
> October 31                Happy Holloween!!!
> November 24                Happy Thanksgiving!!!
> November 27                GABS Teleconference
> 
> Letter From the Editor
> 
> 
> Dear Connecting the Dots Readers:
> 
> The CTD news team would like to thank you for taking the time out to
> read our division?s newsletter. This newsletter was designed not only
> to provide you with a variety of information, but also to give you,
> the reader, am opportunity to speak out and express yourself. If you
> enjoyed the newsletter, spread the word. If you weren?t quite
> satisfied and you would like to contribute a submission or you just
> had a question, contact us at ctdnewsteam at gmail.com. Remember,
> Connecting the Dots was not only created for the students, but by the
> students so we hope to hear from you guys. Look out for the release of
> the next issue sometime in December. Peace and Blessings?
> 
>  To
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mary Fernandez
> President: Georgia Association of Blind Students
> Emory University 2012
> P.O. Box 123056
> Atlanta Ga.
> 30322
> Phone: 732-857-7004
> 
> "It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much
> rather you weren't doing it."
> Terry
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 21:17:24 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:17:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: U.S. Representatives Stearns and Bishop Introduce
 Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act
In-Reply-To: <4AF8588660B84AFCA4111CDDCA32CAFE@nfb.org>
References: <4AF8588660B84AFCA4111CDDCA32CAFE@nfb.org>
Message-ID: <CABpnAxG_MbJ03qvSqbVmvasm_gB1bWAhgXRO81JxxzKzXrrBLw@mail.gmail.com>

This is great news for the blind and for the Federation!! Please circulate this!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: National Federation of the Blind <jfreeh at nfb.org>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:35:38 -0400
Subject: U.S. Representatives Stearns and Bishop Introduce Fair Wages
for Workers with Disabilities Act
To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


CONTACT:
Chris Danielsen
Director of Public Relations
National Federation of the Blind
(410) 659-9314, extension 2330
(410) 262-1281 (Cell)
cdanielsen at nfb.org


U.S. Representatives Stearns and Bishop Introduce
Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act


National Federation of the Blind Commends Action


Washington, D.C. (October 4, 2011): Congressman Cliff Stearns (R-FL) and
Congressman Tim Bishop (D-NY) today introduced the Fair Wages for
Workers with Disabilities Act of 2011 (H.R. 3086).  The bill would phase
out Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which allows
employers holding special wage certificates to pay their workers with
disabilities less than the federal minimum wage.

Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,
said: "The Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act is a
long-overdue effort to correct an injustice written into a law meant to
protect all American workers from abuse and exploitation.  Workers with
disabilities were excluded from the protections of the Fair Labor
Standards Act because of the false belief that we cannot be as
productive as Americans without disabilities.  Courage and creativity
are required to replace the misguided benevolence that has historically
shaped policies toward people with disabilities with real opportunity
for our equal employment and full participation in the workplace.  We
applaud Representatives Stearns and Bishop and we hope that a
significant majority of their colleagues possess the courage and
creativity to end over seventy years of exploitation of people with
disabilities."

"Simple fairness and decency require that workers with disabilities
receive equal pay for equal work," said Congressman Stearns.  "I am
asking all of my colleagues to join me in this historic effort to end
wage discrimination against workers with disabilities once and for all."

"Ensuring that Americans with disabilities receive equal pay for equal
work is more than a matter of basic fairness, it's a long-overdue
acknowledgement of the value disabled Americans contribute to our
workplaces every day," said Congressman Tim Bishop.  "I hope all of my
colleagues will support this bipartisan effort to correct over seventy
years of injustice."

For more information about the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities
Act and the National Federation of the Blind, please visit www.nfb.org
<http://www.nfb.org/> .

###


About the National Federation of the Blind
With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is
the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people
in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through
advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging
independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the
blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind.  In January
2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan
Institute, the first research and training center in the United States
for the blind led by the blind.



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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct  5 08:27:33 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 03:27:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Share Your Perspective on Emerging Employment Issues
Message-ID: <auto-000031001535@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>From: "Lewis, Anil" <ALewis at nfb.org>
>Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:23:24 -0700
>Subject: Share Your Perspective on Emerging Employment Issues
>
>Share Your Perspective
>
>Take Cornell University's Survey on Emerging Employment Issues for 
>People with Disabilities
>
>
>Share your unique perspective on emerging employment issues such as 
>disability disclosure in the workplace, leave as a reasonable 
>accommodation, and job applicant screening. The brief (5-10 minute) 
>survey is co-sponsored by AAPD and Cornell University and the 
>results will provide a foundation for guiding policy change around 
>these issues.
>
>
>
><http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=blvbcecab&et=1107952781629&s=11500&e=001XtrhCpjsO5SUpMKg_HGZQH6BhL8ddfGoBl97ojjhTZCe5TsL8BYH8aO0ukbRhztGK-XSWI9xpwCks71oabDPwgapQv3cFk-ihwccaFJKpB4=>Click 
>Here to Participate
>
>Thank you in advance for sharing your time and experience with us.
>
>
>
>
>Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
>Director of Strategic Communications
>
>"Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities"
><http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Fair_Wages_For_Workers_With_Disabilities.asp>http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Fair_Wages_For_Workers_With_Disabilities.asp
>
>NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
>Baltimore, Maryland   21230
>
>(410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice)
>(410) 685-5653 (FAX)
>Email: <mailto:alewis at nfb.org>alewis at nfb.org
>Web: <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org
>

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct  5 08:57:41 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 03:57:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Old Time Radio in Newark, accessible
Message-ID: <auto-000030295458@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>I have been asked to send this out by a long-time member, so am 
>putting it on a few lists.


Dave



>It is  the Largest Old Time Radio Convention in the country at 
>the  Ramada Plaza at the Newark Airport so you don't need a car to 
>get there. Yes, there is a place for the guide dogs to park, There 
>is food available, and the convention is well planned and fun!
>
>Bes
>
>Georgia Kitchen
>
>Hey everyone,
>
>
>
>This is just a reminder to make sure you've got your registration in for the
>36th and final Friends of Old Time Radio Convention, October 20-23, 2011 at
>the Ramada Plaza Hotel in Newark, NJ.
>
>
>
>Updates on the guest list and program can be found at our website, here
><<http://www.fotr.net/>http://www.fotr.net/> .   We've got the first 
>appearance I can remember for
>Rich Conaty of WFUV's The Big Broadcast - he's doing a one-on-one interview
>sure to be packed with interesting information about music of the FOTR era.
>Judy Canova's daughter Diana, herself the former star of "Soap" and Stephen
>Sondheim's "Company," will be there.  Bear Manor Media publisher Ben Ohmart,
>who publishes so many great books about old time radio personalities, is
>coming all the way from his home in Japan to interview Arthur Anderson.
>
>
>
>Radio historian Jack French is saluting radio Westerns, pop culture
>historian and publisher Anthony Tollin is reminiscing about all of the great
>moment of FOTR's vast history and directing an episode of Gunsmoke.
>
>
>
>For everyone who says "wait until next year" every year, this is the final
>event.  There will be other fine nostalgia conventions in the future - but
>this may be the last, best one dedicated exclusively to old time radio, so
>please make the time to come.
>
>
>
>Please call with any questions.
>
>
>
>Best,
>
>
>
>Sean Dougherty
>
>201-739-2541
>
><mailto:seandd at optonline.net>seandd at optonline.net
>
><mailto:fotrconvention at gmail.com>fotrconvention at gmail.com
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Fotr_info mailing list
><mailto:Fotr_info at fotr.net>Fotr_info at fotr.net
>http://www.lofcom.com/mailman/listinfo/fotr_info

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct  5 12:16:18 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 07:16:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Seminars@Hadley Presents: Blindness on the Job
Message-ID: <auto-000031014655@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>
>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Blindness on the Job
>
>Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011
>
>Time: 10:00 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT
>
>As a blind person in the workforce, there are many things you need 
>to consider: What tools will you need to get and keep a job? What 
>are your legal rights in the workplace? How can you effectively 
>advocate for yourself? Is it always appropriate to disclose your 
>disability to a prospective employer? How do you deal with employer 
>concerns about hiring a blind person?
>
>Join Seminars at Hadley as Kelsey Thompson, Rehabilitation Counselor, 
>CRC, CCM, LCRC with The Chicago Lighthouse, answers these and other 
>questions about being blind and on the job.
>
>Space in this seminar is registered. Please only register if you 
>know you are able to attend so that others are not closed out. To 
>register for the seminar, follow this link: 
>http://hadley.edu/SeminarDetails.asp?sid=100
>
>This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from:
>The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St.  | Winnetka, IL 60093



From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct  5 16:45:33 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:45:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: from APH News,
 October 2011: linear equations study for  students & teachers
Message-ID: <auto-000030356112@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>From: "Rovig, Lorraine" <LRovig at nfb.org>
>Subject: from APH News, October 2011: linear equations study for students &
>  teachers
>
>·         TVIs Needed for Linear Equations Study
>
>
>
>The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
>built accessibility into another Quantum 
>Artificial Intelligent (AI) Mathematics Tutor; 
>this time a Linear Equation Tutor. If you have 
>any visually impaired student(s) covering this 
>topic, your assistance is requested for this 
>field study. Each TVI is eligible for a stipend 
>of $150. If you can participate in this field 
>testing, contact 
><mailto:dittel at quantumsimulations.com>dittel at quantumsimulations.com.
>

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 21:54:09 2011
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:54:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Youth Activities at National Federation of the Blind of
	California Convention.
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjP_qdDJvK-eUm6goC03FN10RnMjmv9JUgt9tTPNhUpmWQ@mail.gmail.com>

if you are a student,  new to the NFB and will be at  the NFb of
California state convention (or live in  California and  would like to
drop by) then please read on!
Greetings Students!
  Are you a middle school, high school, or college student?
Do you want to meet students like you?
  Are you looking for a place to talk about Growing up and Learning as
a blind student and youth?
 Do you want to learn more about the National Federation of the Blind
from young people like you?
 Do you like Music and Free food?
 If you have answered “yes” to most of these questions, then please read on!

 The National Federation of the Blind of California will be holding a
series of youth and student-driven events at our 2011 state convention
on Friday, October 14th, at the Hilton Newark/Fremont (39900 Balantine
Avenue, Newark, CA)
We   Start it off with a little bit of Braille fun! – That’s right,
slate and Perkins brailler games highlight this activity that is sure
to get both your fingers and your mind going, and is sponsored by the
NFBC Youth program.
Next, drop on by the California Association of Blind Students business
meeting and Seminar, where you get to hear about what fellow students
are doing and learn how you can get involved in changing what it means
to be a blind student.
Then after all of the excitement, come back and chill out with fellow
first-time convention going students and new comers to the Student
scene at the Student chill-out!
 This relaxed and fun open discussion about all things student, is
sponsored by the nfbc youth program and will take place concurrent
with the parents division meeting.   Bring yourselves, a friend and
some music, and we’ll take care of the rest.
 For More information about Braille fun or the Youth chill out,
including times and Locations, please contact Serena Olsen (Braille
fun) at: olsen.serena at gmail.com
 ! Or Darian Smith   (Youth Chill out at Dsmithnfb at gmail.com
  Thank you and we can’t wait to meet you
!



-- 
Darian Smith

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.


From BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu  Wed Oct  5 22:17:20 2011
From: BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu (B.J. LeJeune)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:17:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: MSU-RRTC Fall 2011 Newsletter
Message-ID: <4E8C9120.06A4.00F0.1@colled.msstate.edu>

 Fall 2011

Quarterly Connections: News from the MSU-RRTC

Linking Blindness and Low Vision Research to Practice


Celebrating 30 Years of Applied Research
The Rehabilitation Research and Training Center (RRTC) at Mississippi State University (MSU) is celebrating its 30-year anniversary in October! The RRTC was established in 1981 under a National Institute of Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR) grant. In the decades since then, the RRTC has continued its applied research under NIDRR funding, including six 5-year RRTCs and two Disability and Rehabilitation Research (DRRP) grants. Other funding has been provided by the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA), the Institute of Education Sciences (IES), the Office of Special Education Programs (OSEP), and the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Read more . . .



Current RRTC Research Highlights: A Customized Transportation Model
This project will utilize a quasi-experimental design to examine the effectiveness of “a customized transportation model employing an intensive intervention with a small number of people who are blind or severely visually impaired to enable them to resolve specific transportation issues,” according to project P.I., Dr. Adele Crudden, a senior researcher at MSU-RRTC. The project seeks to extend the “customized employment” vocational rehabilitation model to apply it with VR consumers who are blind or severely visually impaired and for whom transportation is the sole remaining barrier to employment. Read more . . .



Contact Us Now to Participate in a Nationwide Employment Mentoring Project!
It's not too late to sign up to enroll in this interactive, nationwide mentoring project! If you are interested in being paired as a mentor or as a mentee with someone who lives in your local area, we are still in need of college students and professionals who are legally blind to participate. Volunteer today for this great opportunity or forward the information to someone you know! Students, visit http://tiny.cc/mentor-students. Professionals, go to http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals. The deadline for January 2012 participation is November 18, 2011. 
If you are interested in participating but the timing of our first group doesn't work well for you - contact us anyway! We will continue to enroll mentors and mentees for subsequent groups throughout the school year and into the summer of 2012. To find out more, visit MSU-RRTC Mentoring Project. 



In the Works: Training and TA
MSU-RRTC's Vision Specialist in Vocational Rehabilitation Certificate program is still accepting applicants - but only until October 1! A limited number of stipends are available. Read more . . . 
Upcoming Highlight! On October 12 & 13, 2011, MSU-RRTC will sponsor its annual two day workshop for Mississippi teachers who have students with visual impairments in their classrooms. The emphasis of the workshop this year will be on "Reading Resources and Technology."Read more . . . 
During September, RRTC Training Coordinator B. J. LeJeune will collaborate with Billy Brookshire to conduct an in-service training for Kentucky Services for the Blind. 



Other RRTC News:
Career Advantage Live Online Now!
MSU-RRTC is happy to announce that we have gone live with our online employment preparation program, Career Advantage for V.I.P.s! This program offers eight self-paced modules of instructional materials and activities to guide job seekers . . . Read more . . . 
“Like” the MSU-RRTC on Facebook!
This summer, MSU-RRTC joined the trend toward social media integration by designing a Facebook page. Visit us, "like" us, link to new publications, and follow the most current news about our center. Visit the MSU-RRTC Facebook page and check it out!



Publications, Presentations, and Miscellanies
Publications Recently Archived for Download from Our Website:
Cavenaugh, B. S., Pierce, S. J. (May, 1998). Characteristics, services, and outcomes of rehabilitation consumers who are blind or visually impaired served in separate and general agencies. Mississippi State, MS: Mississippi State University.
McBroom, L. W., Giesen, J. M., Gooding, E. M., Hicks, J., Laney, T. C., & Robertson, C. (1997). Student perceptions of careers in blindness rehabilitation services at historically African American and historically white universities. Mississippi State, MS: Mississippi State University.
Recent Publications:
DeCoster, J., O'Mally, J., & Iselin, A. M. (2011). Archiving for psychologists: Suggestions for organizing, documenting, preserving, and protecting computer files. Clinical Psychology: Science and Practice 18(3) 246-265.
McDonnall, M. C. (2011). Predictors of employment for youth with visual impairments: Findings from the second National Longitudinal Transition Study.  Journal of Visual Impairment & Blindness, 105(8), 453-466.
Upcoming Presentations:
LeJeune, B. J. (2011, September). Psycho-social adjustment for persons aging with hearing and vision loss. Panel presenter on persons with dual sensory loss. Envision: A multi-disciplinary low vision rehabilitation and research conference. St. Louis, MO.
LeJeune, B. J. (2011, September). Severe brain injury and vision loss: Challenges and steps toward progress. Envision: A multi-disciplinary low vision rehabilitation and research conference. St. Louis, MO.
LeJeune, B. J. (2011, September). Transition services that lead to competitive employment outcomes for transition age individuals with blindness or visual impairments. Panel presenter on employment. Envision: A multi-disciplinary low vision rehabilitation and research conference. St. Louis, MO. 



For Additional MSU-RRTC News and Activities:
Visit our website at http://www.blind.msstate.edu/. 
This newsletter was supported in part by grant #H133B10022 from the U.S. Department of Education, National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR). Newsletter contents do not represent policies of NIDRR or the Department of Education and viewers should not assume endorsement by the federal government. Please feel free to forward this newsletter to interested parties.
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change your contact information, contact the MSU-RRTC at rrtc at colled.msstate.edu.

From seacknit at gmail.com  Thu Oct  6 16:06:49 2011
From: seacknit at gmail.com (Sally Thomas)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:06:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing calculator, OCR software, duxbury
Message-ID: <D384C4339106469A99C0E08FAD0DDF84@OwnerPC>

Hi Folks,

I am trying to find out which versions of an accessible graphing calculator and OCR software are most useful these days.  Also, Do you use Duxbury with our without Scientific Notebook?

Thanks.

Sally Thomas


From kramc11 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  6 18:50:58 2011
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:50:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing calculator, OCR software, duxbury
References: <D384C4339106469A99C0E08FAD0DDF84@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <7229F45A229645839A067BA5B0CB9909@cadiganpc>

I don't know about your other questions, however, I have never had much luck 
working with scientific notebook. Instead I key everything directly into 
LaTeX code. I find that it is much simpler and faster. What have people's 
experiences with scientific notebook been like?

Also, are there any suggestions for accessible software capable of creating 
complex graphs? I am also looking for accessible schematic generating 
software.



Thanks,

Mark
Kramc11 at gmail.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sally Thomas" <seacknit at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:06 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing calculator, OCR software, duxbury


> Hi Folks,
>
> I am trying to find out which versions of an accessible graphing 
> calculator and OCR software are most useful these days.  Also, Do you use 
> Duxbury with our without Scientific Notebook?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sally Thomas
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Thu Oct  6 19:07:35 2011
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:07:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing calculator, OCR software, duxbury
In-Reply-To: <7229F45A229645839A067BA5B0CB9909@cadiganpc>
References: <D384C4339106469A99C0E08FAD0DDF84@OwnerPC>
	<7229F45A229645839A067BA5B0CB9909@cadiganpc>
Message-ID: <002001cc845b$35ee45c0$a1cad140$@com>

Along these same lines... I'm wondering what others' experiences have been
like with the software program SPSS. I will be taking a course next semester
that is solely about competency in using SPSS. I have not purchased the
program yet and have no experience yet. I would appreciate your responses. 
Thanks,
Melanie

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mark J. Cadigan
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:51 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graphing calculator, OCR software, duxbury

I don't know about your other questions, however, I have never had much luck

working with scientific notebook. Instead I key everything directly into 
LaTeX code. I find that it is much simpler and faster. What have people's 
experiences with scientific notebook been like?

Also, are there any suggestions for accessible software capable of creating 
complex graphs? I am also looking for accessible schematic generating 
software.



Thanks,

Mark
Kramc11 at gmail.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sally Thomas" <seacknit at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:06 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing calculator, OCR software, duxbury


> Hi Folks,
>
> I am trying to find out which versions of an accessible graphing 
> calculator and OCR software are most useful these days.  Also, Do you use 
> Duxbury with our without Scientific Notebook?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sally Thomas
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Oct  6 19:54:50 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:54:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing calculator, OCR software, duxbury
In-Reply-To: <002001cc845b$35ee45c0$a1cad140$@com>
References: <D384C4339106469A99C0E08FAD0DDF84@OwnerPC>
	<7229F45A229645839A067BA5B0CB9909@cadiganpc>
	<002001cc845b$35ee45c0$a1cad140$@com>
Message-ID: <4E8E078A.4060503@visi.com>

     You might want to ask on the blindmath list, or search the 
nfbnet.org archives, the second link at nfbnet.org

Dave



On 10/6/2011 2:07 PM, Melanie Peskoe wrote:
> Along these same lines... I'm wondering what others' experiences have been
> like with the software program SPSS. I will be taking a course next semester
> that is solely about competency in using SPSS. I have not purchased the
> program yet and have no experience yet. I would appreciate your responses.
> Thanks,
> Melanie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mark J. Cadigan
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graphing calculator, OCR software, duxbury
>
> I don't know about your other questions, however, I have never had much luck
>
> working with scientific notebook. Instead I key everything directly into
> LaTeX code. I find that it is much simpler and faster. What have people's
> experiences with scientific notebook been like?
>
> Also, are there any suggestions for accessible software capable of creating
> complex graphs? I am also looking for accessible schematic generating
> software.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
> Kramc11 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sally Thomas"<seacknit at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:06 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] graphing calculator, OCR software, duxbury
>
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I am trying to find out which versions of an accessible graphing
>> calculator and OCR software are most useful these days.  Also, Do you use
>> Duxbury with our without Scientific Notebook?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Sally Thomas



From brlsurfer at gmail.com  Thu Oct  6 22:21:00 2011
From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:21:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] videos on the braillenote apex )most recent version(
Message-ID: <4e8e29e1.1dc4e70a.63c9.6769@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I was curious to know whether any Braille-Note Apex users have 
been able to listen to videos on the Braille-Note? If so, that 
would be really cool.  My brother is also blind and is doing 
Brain-Pop videos for school.  I'd appreciate it if I could have 
some input on it.
Thanks.
Vejas



From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Thu Oct  6 22:59:33 2011
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:59:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT logic games
Message-ID: <CAN+-G_ABVHysTSQpDQrOe_mmvUkbONLSzn4i3VF3nbGCjN=kDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone:
I'm not entirely sure where I should go with this one, but I figured
I'd throw it out to all of you and see what you have to say. I'm
interested in taking the LSAT in a couple of years, but I have a
question about the section known as the Logic Games. How, as a blind
person, should I handle this section? I know that some sighted people
draw pictures or diagrams to help them. Obviously, this won't work for
me. What are your thoughts? Does anybody on this list have experience
with this type of thing?
Thanks,
Patrick Molloy


From winy_kwany at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  7 20:17:50 2011
From: winy_kwany at yahoo.com (Winy Kwany)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 04:17:50 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Scanning software
Message-ID: <1318018670.88683.YahooMailClassic@web76808.mail.sg1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
I apologize since this is out of topic, but I really need help.
I need to scan music pages and save them in JPEG format. Is there any free scanning software that is accessible with JAWS that can do this? Suggestions? recommendations? Would you give me the link to download it?
I look forward to hearing from you very very soon. Many thanks.
Regards,
Winy.


From djdan567 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  8 02:23:55 2011
From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 22:23:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Two HumanWare Victor Reader streams with stream cd players,
 all accessories and original boxes, $320
Message-ID: <CAHqJse1XkQjkYAxXtu=P2Ov=Mdb+FoDBBg6Diz02AgXOUGe-Lw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey fello NABS members!  I have Two HumanWare Victor Reader streams
with stream cd players with all their accessories and the original
boxes for $320 each. They bring the standered accessories, the case,
SD Card, charger, USb cable, and documentation CD. The Victor reader
stream CD player is a device to hook up to your Victor Stream, and
record Daisy CD's onto the stream. Instruction sheets are also
available in the boxes. Contact me at this e-mail address if
interested. All other contact information is below if you would like
to contact me by other means. The best method to send your payment is
through PayPal. If interested though, we'll talk about the method of
payment when I'm contacted.
Thank you all!


-- 
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sat Oct  8 05:02:57 2011
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 01:02:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or NLS
Message-ID: <B567EB40D7E74C26B6329DD7717ACFE7@AudioShockWave>

Since many of you enjoy reading NLS materials, I thought this would be of interest. Please, David Andrews, allow this message to go through. Thanks in advance...
Hi Everyone!
Please consider sharing this with anyone whom you think would be interested in this...

Many of us are avid readers. Whether you buy from audible.com, an online retailer like AudioBookStand, or whether you're one of those who can't wait for that day each week when Bard, the digital download site from NLS comes out with its new list of available downloads, it's fair to say that all of us have some enjoyment from reading a good book or two.
But have you ever wondered what it is that makes the narrators you hear so good? How do they get selected? What makes them so amazing? Well tomorrow you just might learn a thing orr two about this process.
Join Jonathhan Matte tomorrow, Saturday October 8 2011, at 1 PM easttern as he gives you a glimpse into the production of NLS books. Jon will be interviewing Lou Gutierez, the man in charge of Benefit Media Inc out of New York City.
Lou is in charge of producing books that get sent to NLS for distribution to its readers. Find out about lou's backgrround, starting from his days with AFB (AMerican Foundation Of The Blind) to his current work producing books for NLS users. Learn what makes a good narrator, how they are selected, how the  books are produced, and more..
At the end, you'll have a chance to call in and leave comments and maybe ask a question of Jon about the information he's gained from this interview.
If you're interested in how these great NLlS books you've read are produced, then this is a must hear interview.
The program begins at 1 PM eastern, and can be heard on Audio Access  FM, Stretching The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment. To listen at 1 PM eastern, visit
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
to select from a variety of listening options, or if you use Winamp, you can
1. Launch Winamp.
2. Hit Control L and type in
http://sc13.icastcenter.com:10112/stream
followed by the enter key
to tune in.
And, you can learn more about the station by visiting
http://www.audioaccessfm.com
Can't make tomorrow's presentation but still want to hear it? Let the program's producer, David Dunphy, know by emailing him at
djd at audioaccessfm.com
and if there's enough interest, we can air this presentation again and/or make it available as a download.
We're excited about bringing you this awesome up close and personal look about the production of your favorite NLS books, and we hope you'll be there for this exciting presentation.
>From Jonathan Matte, Host Of This Exciting Interview Special,
And
David Dunphy, Program Producer, Audio Access FM, Stretching The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment
http://www.audioaccessfm.com

******
If you're tired of stations that just give you the same types of programming over and over again, then come with me on a magical audio journey that leads to AudioAccessFM! This is a station where you'll hear anything from pop to rap to country; you'll hear dramatic radio to documentaries to educational programming and more! To be part of this audio adventure, strap yourself in and go to
http://www.audioaccessfm.com
as we stretch the boundaries of sound entertainment with sweet ear candy! Give us a try, you'll be glad you did

From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Oct  8 10:14:46 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 04:14:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or NLS
In-Reply-To: <B567EB40D7E74C26B6329DD7717ACFE7@AudioShockWave>
References: <B567EB40D7E74C26B6329DD7717ACFE7@AudioShockWave>
Message-ID: <00bf01cc85a3$1b97fa10$52c7ee30$@comcast.net>

Dear david,

This sounds awesome since my sister Rebecca is a booklover
herself too and, I'm sure that she got this message too since she
is on the nabs listserv herself. Unfortunately, we both won't be
home since we are going on a haunted ghost bus tour in boulder
and, we don't know when we will be home! She would loved to have
the opportunity to hear this live but, can you send this out to
the lists for future recordings and, also for her to download it
herself?

I'm not a booklover myself not as much as she is! Thanks as
always for posting this and, I'm glad that david Andrews let you
posted this awesome announcement here!




Hugs always,
>From amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or
NLS

Since many of you enjoy reading NLS materials, I thought this
would be of interest. Please, David Andrews, allow this message
to go through. Thanks in advance...
Hi Everyone!
Please consider sharing this with anyone whom you think would be
interested in this...

Many of us are avid readers. Whether you buy from audible.com, an
online retailer like AudioBookStand, or whether you're one of
those who can't wait for that day each week when Bard, the
digital download site from NLS comes out with its new list of
available downloads, it's fair to say that all of us have some
enjoyment from reading a good book or two.
But have you ever wondered what it is that makes the narrators
you hear so good? How do they get selected? What makes them so
amazing? Well tomorrow you just might learn a thing orr two about
this process.
Join Jonathhan Matte tomorrow, Saturday October 8 2011, at 1 PM
easttern as he gives you a glimpse into the production of NLS
books. Jon will be interviewing Lou Gutierez, the man in charge
of Benefit Media Inc out of New York City.
Lou is in charge of producing books that get sent to NLS for
distribution to its readers. Find out about lou's backgrround,
starting from his days with AFB (AMerican Foundation Of The
Blind) to his current work producing books for NLS users. Learn
what makes a good narrator, how they are selected, how the  books
are produced, and more..
At the end, you'll have a chance to call in and leave comments
and maybe ask a question of Jon about the information he's gained
from this interview.
If you're interested in how these great NLlS books you've read
are produced, then this is a must hear interview.
The program begins at 1 PM eastern, and can be heard on Audio
Access  FM, Stretching The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment. To
listen at 1 PM eastern, visit
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
to select from a variety of listening options, or if you use
Winamp, you can
1. Launch Winamp.
2. Hit Control L and type in
http://sc13.icastcenter.com:10112/stream
followed by the enter key
to tune in.
And, you can learn more about the station by visiting
http://www.audioaccessfm.com
Can't make tomorrow's presentation but still want to hear it? Let
the program's producer, David Dunphy, know by emailing him at
djd at audioaccessfm.com
and if there's enough interest, we can air this presentation
again and/or make it available as a download.
We're excited about bringing you this awesome up close and
personal look about the production of your favorite NLS books,
and we hope you'll be there for this exciting presentation.
>From Jonathan Matte, Host Of This Exciting Interview Special,
And
David Dunphy, Program Producer, Audio Access FM, Stretching The
Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment
http://www.audioaccessfm.com

******
If you're tired of stations that just give you the same types of
programming over and over again, then come with me on a magical
audio journey that leads to AudioAccessFM! This is a station
where you'll hear anything from pop to rap to country; you'll
hear dramatic radio to documentaries to educational programming
and more! To be part of this audio adventure, strap yourself in
and go to
http://www.audioaccessfm.com
as we stretch the boundaries of sound entertainment with sweet
ear candy! Give us a try, you'll be glad you did
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  8 20:29:12 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:29:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT logic games
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_ABVHysTSQpDQrOe_mmvUkbONLSzn4i3VF3nbGCjN=kDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN+-G_ABVHysTSQpDQrOe_mmvUkbONLSzn4i3VF3nbGCjN=kDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJD1qpANPDfict4JzvXYegr8tPg=dD28qJri1+yMx6FFZg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Patrick,
I know that our current president, Sean Whalen, has been able to adapt
the logic games using Microsoft Excel and has been very successful on
practice LSAT's. I suggest emailing him at
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
Best,
Arielle

On 10/6/11, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
> I'm not entirely sure where I should go with this one, but I figured
> I'd throw it out to all of you and see what you have to say. I'm
> interested in taking the LSAT in a couple of years, but I have a
> question about the section known as the Logic Games. How, as a blind
> person, should I handle this section? I know that some sighted people
> draw pictures or diagrams to help them. Obviously, this won't work for
> me. What are your thoughts? Does anybody on this list have experience
> with this type of thing?
> Thanks,
> Patrick Molloy
>
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sat Oct  8 22:47:42 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:47:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Scanning software
Message-ID: fc74efbd-f33c-43a2-a44a-227541f601a9@samobile.net

Your computer may already have scanning software in it. If you have 
Office 2003 or later, you can activate Microsoft Document Imaging. 
Document Imaging will allow you to scan documents; they get saved as 
either jpeg or tif images. And if you need to, you can run the OCR 
engine. The OCR is then moved to a Word document. You can also import 
images into Document Imaging or do it the long way via taking screen 
shots and saving them in tif format for analysis by Document Imaging. 
The OCR works suprisingly well, especially in 2007 or later versions of Office.

Here's how you activate Document Imaging.

Go to Add/Remove programs in XP or Programs and Features in Vista/7. 
You should then get a list of all the programs you have running. Arrow 
down to Microsoft Office; most of you will probably have the Home and 
Student version. From there, tab over to chage in XP or press the 
applications key in Vista/7 and choose change. It may be listed in 
either case alongside uninstall, but no worries. The next screen will 
give you the option to configure various aspects of the software. I 
believe the next screen asks you if you want to add new features or 
configure features you already have. Click add (it's a radio button) 
then press continue. The next screen gives you a list of additional 
tools you can add to your product. No worries, you don't need your CD. 
Arrow down in the tree view to Document Imaging, then tab to continue. 
The next screen will tell you that you're in the process of configuring 
the new software. When it's finished, you can use it. To access it, go 
to your start menu and find Microsoft Office. There may be a submenu 
that will grant you access to all your installed tools including 
Imaging. But to make it easier on myself, I just type "Document 
Imaging" in the start search field in the start menu. However you find 
it, you may consider adding a shortcut to your desktop or start menu. 
It's pretty straightforward to use, a little experimentation should be 
all you need to learn how to use it. Just follow the prompts; make sure 
your scanner is connected, and be sure you've explored the menu bar as 
you will find everything you need there.

Respectfully,
Jedi


Original message:
> Hi all,
> I apologize since this is out of topic, but I really need help.
> I need to scan music pages and save them in JPEG format. Is there any 
> free scanning software that is accessible with JAWS that can do this? 
> Suggestions? recommendations? Would you give me the link to download it?
> I look forward to hearing from you very very soon. Many thanks.
> Regards,
> Winy.

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Oct  9 00:56:04 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:56:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
Message-ID: <CAO83KOu1JuvrgZeerCa+w1HGR4Jj7sm8mrvHPnJOqbPPAifmKA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for my
Algebra classes.
The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud, with
something that goes around your ear.
Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud in place.
The earbuds keep coming apart.
Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds stronger,
so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
This is the second one, to be defective.
What's the deal?
Blessings, Joshua


From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 01:07:42 2011
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:07:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
In-Reply-To: <CAO83KOu1JuvrgZeerCa+w1HGR4Jj7sm8mrvHPnJOqbPPAifmKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO83KOu1JuvrgZeerCa+w1HGR4Jj7sm8mrvHPnJOqbPPAifmKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDE72FE54C7C4175A1763241D7F14BC7@HumbertoAvila>

Hello. This brings me to  yet another calculator question. Which talking
scientific calculator, or notetaker with scientific calculator software, is
capable of doing fractions? I know a Braille Note does fractions, but I
don't have a Braille note and I cannot afford one. But which other
calculator, like a standalone scientific calculator is capable of doing it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for my
Algebra classes.
The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud, with
something that goes around your ear.
Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud in place.
The earbuds keep coming apart.
Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds stronger,
so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
This is the second one, to be defective.
What's the deal?
Blessings, Joshua

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From brlsurfer at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 01:20:18 2011
From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:20:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
Message-ID: <4e90f6e9.5633e70a.22a8.1597@mx.google.com>

Hi, Joshua:
Many note-takers, like the Braille-Note and Pac-Mate, have 
calculators you can use.  Maybe your school will buy one for you.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:56:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for 
my
Algebra classes.
The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud, 
with
something that goes around your ear.
Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud 
in place.
The earbuds keep coming apart.
Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds 
stronger,
so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
This is the second one, to be defective.
What's the deal?
Blessings, Joshua

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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Oct  9 01:41:45 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:41:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
In-Reply-To: <4e90f6e9.5633e70a.22a8.1597@mx.google.com>
References: <4e90f6e9.5633e70a.22a8.1597@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOt1goygM9J0WKkT79fRDjo-8HGfHQQCWfu_dOqiXd5cdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Vejas:
The school won't buy me a Pac Mate.
That's what I'm accustomed to.
I've discussed the problems with my division of Services for the
Blind, and my DSO.
There's no cooperation.
I plan to buy a Pac Mate, at the NFB convention, in Dallas, next year.
I graduate in May, and plan to pursue a ministry degree, from the
Indiana Bible College, via corespondence.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/8/11, vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Joshua:
> Many note-takers, like the Braille-Note and Pac-Mate, have
> calculators you can use.  Maybe your school will buy one for you.
> Vejas
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:56:04 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
> prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
> I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for
> my
> Algebra classes.
> The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud,
> with
> something that goes around your ear.
> Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud
> in place.
> The earbuds keep coming apart.
> Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds
> stronger,
> so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
> All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
> I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
> This is the second one, to be defective.
> What's the deal?
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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From kayleigh281 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  9 18:27:54 2011
From: kayleigh281 at yahoo.com (Kayleigh Joiner)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:27:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 60, Issue 9
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Message-ID: <CAAQMvFBgP-CP+YX7bPROAJUo5ucWnywY2xBgMZHD-Nd7goN4ug@mail.gmail.com>

The Orion TI 36x talking scientific calculator is able to do fractions.
Kayleigh

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>   1. Re: LSAT logic games (Arielle Silverman)
>   2. Re: Free Scanning software (Jedi)
>   3. Talking Calculators (Joshua Lester)
>   4. Re: Talking Calculators (Humberto Avila)
>   5. Re: Talking Calculators (vejas)
>   6. Re: Talking Calculators (Joshua Lester)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:29:12 -0600
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
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>        <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LSAT logic games
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> Hi Patrick,
> I know that our current president, Sean Whalen, has been able to adapt
> the logic games using Microsoft Excel and has been very successful on
> practice LSAT's. I suggest emailing him at
> smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/6/11, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone:
> > I'm not entirely sure where I should go with this one, but I figured
> > I'd throw it out to all of you and see what you have to say. I'm
> > interested in taking the LSAT in a couple of years, but I have a
> > question about the section known as the Logic Games. How, as a blind
> > person, should I handle this section? I know that some sighted people
> > draw pictures or diagrams to help them. Obviously, this won't work for
> > me. What are your thoughts? Does anybody on this list have experience
> > with this type of thing?
> > Thanks,
> > Patrick Molloy
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:47:42 -0400
> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Scanning software
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Your computer may already have scanning software in it. If you have
> Office 2003 or later, you can activate Microsoft Document Imaging.
> Document Imaging will allow you to scan documents; they get saved as
> either jpeg or tif images. And if you need to, you can run the OCR
> engine. The OCR is then moved to a Word document. You can also import
> images into Document Imaging or do it the long way via taking screen
> shots and saving them in tif format for analysis by Document Imaging.
> The OCR works suprisingly well, especially in 2007 or later versions of
> Office.
>
> Here's how you activate Document Imaging.
>
> Go to Add/Remove programs in XP or Programs and Features in Vista/7.
> You should then get a list of all the programs you have running. Arrow
> down to Microsoft Office; most of you will probably have the Home and
> Student version. From there, tab over to chage in XP or press the
> applications key in Vista/7 and choose change. It may be listed in
> either case alongside uninstall, but no worries. The next screen will
> give you the option to configure various aspects of the software. I
> believe the next screen asks you if you want to add new features or
> configure features you already have. Click add (it's a radio button)
> then press continue. The next screen gives you a list of additional
> tools you can add to your product. No worries, you don't need your CD.
> Arrow down in the tree view to Document Imaging, then tab to continue.
> The next screen will tell you that you're in the process of configuring
> the new software. When it's finished, you can use it. To access it, go
> to your start menu and find Microsoft Office. There may be a submenu
> that will grant you access to all your installed tools including
> Imaging. But to make it easier on myself, I just type "Document
> Imaging" in the start search field in the start menu. However you find
> it, you may consider adding a shortcut to your desktop or start menu.
> It's pretty straightforward to use, a little experimentation should be
> all you need to learn how to use it. Just follow the prompts; make sure
> your scanner is connected, and be sure you've explored the menu bar as
> you will find everything you need there.
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
>
>
> Original message:
> > Hi all,
> > I apologize since this is out of topic, but I really need help.
> > I need to scan music pages and save them in JPEG format. Is there any
> > free scanning software that is accessible with JAWS that can do this?
> > Suggestions? recommendations? Would you give me the link to download it?
> > I look forward to hearing from you very very soon. Many thanks.
> > Regards,
> > Winy.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:56:04 -0500
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>        <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
> Message-ID:
>        <CAO83KOu1JuvrgZeerCa+w1HGR4Jj7sm8mrvHPnJOqbPPAifmKA at mail.gmail.com
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
> prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
> I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for my
> Algebra classes.
> The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud, with
> something that goes around your ear.
> Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud in place.
> The earbuds keep coming apart.
> Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds stronger,
> so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
> All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
> I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
> This is the second one, to be defective.
> What's the deal?
> Blessings, Joshua
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:07:42 -0700
> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>        <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
> Message-ID: <BDE72FE54C7C4175A1763241D7F14BC7 at HumbertoAvila>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello. This brings me to  yet another calculator question. Which talking
> scientific calculator, or notetaker with scientific calculator software, is
> capable of doing fractions? I know a Braille Note does fractions, but I
> don't have a Braille note and I cannot afford one. But which other
> calculator, like a standalone scientific calculator is capable of doing it?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:56 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
> prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
> I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for my
> Algebra classes.
> The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud, with
> something that goes around your ear.
> Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud in place.
> The earbuds keep coming apart.
> Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds stronger,
> so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
> All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
> I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
> This is the second one, to be defective.
> What's the deal?
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:20:18 -0700
> From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>        list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
> Message-ID: <4e90f6e9.5633e70a.22a8.1597 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi, Joshua:
> Many note-takers, like the Braille-Note and Pac-Mate, have
> calculators you can use.  Maybe your school will buy one for you.
> Vejas
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:56:04 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
> prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
> I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for
> my
> Algebra classes.
> The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud,
> with
> something that goes around your ear.
> Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud
> in place.
> The earbuds keep coming apart.
> Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds
> stronger,
> so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
> All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
> I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
> This is the second one, to be defective.
> What's the deal?
> Blessings, Joshua
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:41:45 -0500
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>        <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
> Message-ID:
>        <CAO83KOt1goygM9J0WKkT79fRDjo-8HGfHQQCWfu_dOqiXd5cdQ at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Vejas:
> The school won't buy me a Pac Mate.
> That's what I'm accustomed to.
> I've discussed the problems with my division of Services for the
> Blind, and my DSO.
> There's no cooperation.
> I plan to buy a Pac Mate, at the NFB convention, in Dallas, next year.
> I graduate in May, and plan to pursue a ministry degree, from the
> Indiana Bible College, via corespondence.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/8/11, vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, Joshua:
> > Many note-takers, like the Braille-Note and Pac-Mate, have
> > calculators you can use.  Maybe your school will buy one for you.
> > Vejas
> >
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:56:04 -0500
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
> >
> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> > A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
> > prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
> > I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for
> > my
> > Algebra classes.
> > The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud,
> > with
> > something that goes around your ear.
> > Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud
> > in place.
> > The earbuds keep coming apart.
> > Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds
> > stronger,
> > so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
> > All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
> > I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
> > This is the second one, to be defective.
> > What's the deal?
> > Blessings, Joshua
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From brlsurfer at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 22:45:58 2011
From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:45:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs digests
Message-ID: <4e92243d.e2c4e70a.4cad.ffffbbed@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I know this may seem a little off topic, but I just joined less 
than a month ago, so I just want to get the scoop of things.  How 
often does the nabs-like digest come on? Is it consistent, or 
does it just happen whatever.
Thanks.
Vejas


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Oct  9 23:07:00 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:07:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs digests
In-Reply-To: <4e92243d.e2c4e70a.4cad.ffffbbed@mx.google.com>
References: <4e92243d.e2c4e70a.4cad.ffffbbed@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOtpbjsLKEThEsnCozmW1j2agg-GBPPsSoZP03y08VueAw@mail.gmail.com>

Some people don't subscribe to the list, so they don't get separate
threads, but they subscribe to our list, in digest form.
When they do, the digest is a collection of the entire archive from whenever.
Some people can only get the digest.
I don't know how all of that works, but maybe, someone can explain it better.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/9/11, vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I know this may seem a little off topic, but I just joined less
> than a month ago, so I just want to get the scoop of things.  How
> often does the nabs-like digest come on? Is it consistent, or
> does it just happen whatever.
> Thanks.
> Vejas
>
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From aaatlantic at aol.com  Sun Oct  9 23:30:53 2011
From: aaatlantic at aol.com (Alexander Atlantic)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:30:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 4
Message-ID: <54088867-4099-4C29-87EA-E1A87D3D9A7C@aol.com>

greeting all this is Alexander Atlantic.
I am looking for iPhone 4 for At&T if anybody looking to sale their iPhone 4 please contact me.
thanks
mobile
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From graduate56 at juno.com  Sun Oct  9 23:34:15 2011
From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 17:34:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Cabs] CABS Conference Call Tonight!
Message-ID: <498415147C274FD985B0F9F9A5918C3A@melissa>


Blessings!
Melissa Green
Life is like a rainbow. You need both the sun and the rain to make its 
colors appear.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: <cabs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: [Cabs] CABS Conference Call Tonight!


> Hi all,
> We will be having a CABS conference call this evening (Sunday)
> beginning at 6:30 p.m. To call in dial
> 605-475-6006
> passcode: 587726
> We will be discussing plans for state convention. All CABS members and
> those interested in student activities in Colorado are welcome to
> attend.
> Best,
> Arielle Silverman
> Board Member, CABS
>
> _______________________________________________
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From joshkart12 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 23:55:11 2011
From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:55:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs digests
Message-ID: <4e92348f.cb58340a.6561.ffffd792@mx.google.com>

I can try.
  Some people do not like getting every single email that comes 
through to the list in there inbox every time one is sent.  So, 
they subscribe to the digest thing so it can come through in one 
email, and not clutter an inbox.
HTH!
Best,
Josh

sent from my Apex
Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com
Skype: joshgregory93

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:07:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs digests

Some people don't subscribe to the list, so they don't get 
separate
threads, but they subscribe to our list, in digest form.
When they do, the digest is a collection of the entire archive 
from whenever.
Some people can only get the digest.
I don't know how all of that works, but maybe, someone can 
explain it better.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/9/11, vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi,
 I know this may seem a little off topic, but I just joined less
 than a month ago, so I just want to get the scoop of things.  
How
 often does the nabs-like digest come on? Is it consistent, or
 does it just happen whatever.
 Thanks.
 Vejas

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From hogle.sam at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 01:06:11 2011
From: hogle.sam at gmail.com (Sam Hogle)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:06:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
Message-ID: <4E924503.2040402@gmail.com>

Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia. 
I was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely 
changed my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State 
University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get 
a masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab 
therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask 
if there is anything else you want to know.
Sam


From aaatlantic at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 01:16:48 2011
From: aaatlantic at aol.com (Alexander Atlantic)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:16:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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welcome Sam On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Sam Hogle wrote:

> Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia. I was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely changed my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get a masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask if there is anything else you want to know.
> Sam
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Oct 10 04:50:31 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:50:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 4
Message-ID: 048787ff-22ff-4553-8ab8-01aa51079afd@samobile.net

How much are you willing to spend?

Respectfully,
Jedi

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> I am looking for iPhone 4 for At&T if anybody looking to sale their 
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From aaatlantic at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 12:19:11 2011
From: aaatlantic at aol.com (Alexander Atlantic)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:19:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 4
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300 for 16 GB and 400 for 32 GB.
On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Jedi wrote:

> How much are you willing to spend?
> 
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
> 
> Original message:
>> greeting all this is Alexander Atlantic.
>> I am looking for iPhone 4 for At&T if anybody looking to sale their iPhone 4 please contact me.
>> thanks
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From anjelinac26 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 13:43:17 2011
From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:43:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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Hi Sam,
Welcome to the list. This may be a dumb question but what are the differences between a rehab therapist and a rehab teacher? Are the same job with two different titles?


Anjelina
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Sam Hogle <hogle.sam at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia. I was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely changed my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get a masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask if there is anything else you want to know.
> Sam
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Mon Oct 10 14:06:21 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:06:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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References: <4E924503.2040402@gmail.com>
	<BA9CC0BD-AF40-440D-AA34-91FE6C6EDA28@gmail.com>
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I'll say this.
These are my thoughts.
A rehab therapist probably helps the blinded vetern cope with
blindness, while the teacher teaches Braille, and other skills.
Sam can correct me, if I'm wrong.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/10/11, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sam,
> Welcome to the list. This may be a dumb question but what are the
> differences between a rehab therapist and a rehab teacher? Are the same job
> with two different titles?
>
>
> Anjelina
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Sam Hogle <hogle.sam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia. I
>> was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely changed
>> my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State
>> University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get a
>> masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab
>> therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask
>> if there is anything else you want to know.
>> Sam
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 14:20:41 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:20:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
In-Reply-To: <4E924503.2040402@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E8E387789F29429B8607462458787B16@OwnerPC>

Sam,
Welcome. I assume then that you'll go to grad school for the MA to be a 
rehab therapist.
Rehab therapy is actually a teacher, right? Unfortunately rehab teacher 
became rehab therapist because rehab teacher was used by another field. I 
think you mean you will be  what was called rehab teacher who teaches daily 
living skills.

I'm not a student now, but will go back to community college to finish a 
certificate. I already have my BA in liberal studies from Marymount.

Take care.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Hogle
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 9:06 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction

Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia.
I was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely
changed my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State
University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get
a masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab
therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask
if there is anything else you want to know.
Sam

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From hogle.sam at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 23:08:56 2011
From: hogle.sam at gmail.com (Sam Hogle)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:08:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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You may be right. I haven't looked in to the whole braille thing. I just 
did an internship that got my interests with working with the veterins, 
and looked up the name of the masters degree I would need. Since the 
degree was in blind rehab therapy, I just assumed that would make me a 
rehab therapist. But, I may vary well be wrong.
Sam
On 10/10/2011 10:06 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
> I'll say this.
> These are my thoughts.
> A rehab therapist probably helps the blinded vetern cope with
> blindness, while the teacher teaches Braille, and other skills.
> Sam can correct me, if I'm wrong.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/10/11, Anjelina<anjelinac26 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Hi Sam,
>> Welcome to the list. This may be a dumb question but what are the
>> differences between a rehab therapist and a rehab teacher? Are the same job
>> with two different titles?
>>
>>
>> Anjelina
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Sam Hogle<hogle.sam at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia. I
>>> was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely changed
>>> my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State
>>> University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get a
>>> masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab
>>> therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask
>>> if there is anything else you want to know.
>>> Sam
>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 10 23:23:10 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:23:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
In-Reply-To: <4E937B08.50001@gmail.com>
References: <4E924503.2040402@gmail.com>	<BA9CC0BD-AF40-440D-AA34-91FE6C6EDA28@gmail.com><CAO83KOs3-_CL+RjiKON9s=nVnp9mmOwCV7tvwFDZvAzgK9CG_Q@mail.gmail.com>
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But does a rehab therapist do daily living teaching, or actually therapy? I 
think this term is really rehab teacher which teaches daily living skills 
and braille.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Hogle
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction

You may be right. I haven't looked in to the whole braille thing. I just
did an internship that got my interests with working with the veterins,
and looked up the name of the masters degree I would need. Since the
degree was in blind rehab therapy, I just assumed that would make me a
rehab therapist. But, I may vary well be wrong.
Sam
On 10/10/2011 10:06 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
> I'll say this.
> These are my thoughts.
> A rehab therapist probably helps the blinded vetern cope with
> blindness, while the teacher teaches Braille, and other skills.
> Sam can correct me, if I'm wrong.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/10/11, Anjelina<anjelinac26 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Hi Sam,
>> Welcome to the list. This may be a dumb question but what are the
>> differences between a rehab therapist and a rehab teacher? Are the same 
>> job
>> with two different titles?
>>
>>
>> Anjelina
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Sam Hogle<hogle.sam at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia. 
>>> I
>>> was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely 
>>> changed
>>> my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State
>>> University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get 
>>> a
>>> masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab
>>> therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask
>>> if there is anything else you want to know.
>>> Sam
>>>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Oct 11 01:34:08 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:34:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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	<BA9CC0BD-AF40-440D-AA34-91FE6C6EDA28@gmail.com>
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Ashley:
I think it's a little bit of both.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/10/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> But does a rehab therapist do daily living teaching, or actually therapy? I
> think this term is really rehab teacher which teaches daily living skills
> and braille.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Hogle
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:08 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction
>
> You may be right. I haven't looked in to the whole braille thing. I just
> did an internship that got my interests with working with the veterins,
> and looked up the name of the masters degree I would need. Since the
> degree was in blind rehab therapy, I just assumed that would make me a
> rehab therapist. But, I may vary well be wrong.
> Sam
> On 10/10/2011 10:06 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>> I'll say this.
>> These are my thoughts.
>> A rehab therapist probably helps the blinded vetern cope with
>> blindness, while the teacher teaches Braille, and other skills.
>> Sam can correct me, if I'm wrong.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 10/10/11, Anjelina<anjelinac26 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Hi Sam,
>>> Welcome to the list. This may be a dumb question but what are the
>>> differences between a rehab therapist and a rehab teacher? Are the same
>>> job
>>> with two different titles?
>>>
>>>
>>> Anjelina
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Sam Hogle<hogle.sam at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia.
>>>> I
>>>> was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely
>>>> changed
>>>> my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State
>>>> University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab
>>>> therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask
>>>> if there is anything else you want to know.
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From brlsurfer at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 02:00:37 2011
From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:00:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
Message-ID: <4e93a35e.e2c4e70a.4cad.ffff98bf@mx.google.com>

Hi, Sam, welcome to the list.  You'll rey enjoy it.
Sincerely,
Vejas


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 22:21:52 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:21:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: FW: [Pibe-division] Web site with hundreds of lessons
 all based on keystrokes
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Chris Nusbaum (school)" <dots4school at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:52:23 -0400
Subject: Fwd: FW: [Pibe-division] Web site with hundreds of lessons
all based on keystrokes
To: "dotkid.nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Otwell, Jacqueline" <jsotwel at carrollk12.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:06:02 -0400
Subject: FW: [Pibe-division] Web site with hundreds of lessons all
based on keystrokes
To: "dots4school at gmail.com" <dots4school at gmail.com>, "Clark, Nathan"
<troubleclark at gmail.com>

Check out this site!


Jacqueline Otwell
Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired
Northwest Middle School
410-751-3270
________________________________
From: pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org
[pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M. Robinson
[dmehlenbacher at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:43 PM
To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List;
2010-teacher-of-tomorrow at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Pibe-division] Web site with hundreds of lessons all based
on keystrokes

If you want to advance in your computer skills and do it the fastest
way possible through keystrokes, then this site is for you: At
yourtechvision.com hundreds of lessons are ready to download, learn
yourself or teach a student. All lessons are compatible with Jaws
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request and it will be written up for you and added
If you are low vision, there are dozens of lessons to see your
computer better too. yourtechvision.com


       Denise

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If you have any questions, please email me at this address and/or Mrs.
Otwell at jsotwel at carrollk12.org



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problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 12 00:17:38 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:17:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or NLS
In-Reply-To: <B567EB40D7E74C26B6329DD7717ACFE7@AudioShockWave>
References: <B567EB40D7E74C26B6329DD7717ACFE7@AudioShockWave>
Message-ID: <726B7625D7C443BDBA877658AA119E16@OwnerPC>

If this is archived, I'll listen.

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Dunphy
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 1:02 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or NLS

Since many of you enjoy reading NLS materials, I thought this would be of 
interest. Please, David Andrews, allow this message to go through. Thanks in 
advance...
Hi Everyone!
Please consider sharing this with anyone whom you think would be interested 
in this...

Many of us are avid readers. Whether you buy from audible.com, an online 
retailer like AudioBookStand, or whether you're one of those who can't wait 
for that day each week when Bard, the digital download site from NLS comes 
out with its new list of available downloads, it's fair to say that all of 
us have some enjoyment from reading a good book or two.
But have you ever wondered what it is that makes the narrators you hear so 
good? How do they get selected? What makes them so amazing? Well tomorrow 
you just might learn a thing orr two about this process.
Join Jonathhan Matte tomorrow, Saturday October 8 2011, at 1 PM easttern as 
he gives you a glimpse into the production of NLS books. Jon will be 
interviewing Lou Gutierez, the man in charge of Benefit Media Inc out of New 
York City.
Lou is in charge of producing books that get sent to NLS for distribution to 
its readers. Find out about lou's backgrround, starting from his days with 
AFB (AMerican Foundation Of The Blind) to his current work producing books 
for NLS users. Learn what makes a good narrator, how they are selected, how 
the  books are produced, and more..
At the end, you'll have a chance to call in and leave comments and maybe ask 
a question of Jon about the information he's gained from this interview.
If you're interested in how these great NLlS books you've read are produced, 
then this is a must hear interview.
The program begins at 1 PM eastern, and can be heard on Audio Access  FM, 
Stretching The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment. To listen at 1 PM eastern, 
visit
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to select from a variety of listening options, or if you use Winamp, you can
1. Launch Winamp.
2. Hit Control L and type in
http://sc13.icastcenter.com:10112/stream
followed by the enter key
to tune in.
And, you can learn more about the station by visiting
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Can't make tomorrow's presentation but still want to hear it? Let the 
program's producer, David Dunphy, know by emailing him at
djd at audioaccessfm.com
and if there's enough interest, we can air this presentation again and/or 
make it available as a download.
We're excited about bringing you this awesome up close and personal look 
about the production of your favorite NLS books, and we hope you'll be there 
for this exciting presentation.
>From Jonathan Matte, Host Of This Exciting Interview Special,
And
David Dunphy, Program Producer, Audio Access FM, Stretching The Boundaries 
Of Sound Entertainment
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******
If you're tired of stations that just give you the same types of programming 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct 12 01:51:34 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:51:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Monthly Board Meeting of the Travel and Tourism
 Division, October 18, 2012
Message-ID: <auto-000031162749@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>Dear All:
>
>The Board of Directors of the Travel and Tourism Division, a proud 
>division of the National Federation of the Blind, will hold its 
>monthly meeting on Tuesday, October 18 via teleconference at 8pm 
>Eastern, 7PM Central, 6PM Mountain and 5PM Pacific Time.
>
>Conference Participant Instructions:
>
>Please call 1-805-360-1000
>
>When the recording goes on it will ask for you access code: Which is 871517#
>
>Please note: This conference will be recorded. Participation in the 
>conference implies an agreement to and authorization for such 
>recording in compliance with state and federal laws.
>
>
>
>During the conference call, participants may use the following commands:
>
>*3 exits the conference and puts you in the lobby.
>
>*6 mutes the participant. Pressing the command again unmutes the participant.
>
>Q&A will be opened at the end of the meeting to all.
>
>Come and join and find out what the Travel and Tourism is doing, we 
>want to hear from you as well.
>
>Sincerely
>Cheryl Echevarria, President
>Travel and Tourism Division
>National Federation of the Blind
>631-236-5138
><mailto:President at nfb-travel.org>President at nfb-travel.org
>

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 12 04:10:17 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:10:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] quickbooks and file maker
Message-ID: <6CE1ACD9363447E6A62AB6DED57E4002@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

In job ads I run across software needed in the office and see it in volunteering. In addition to databases, somesay software to track information.
Is Quick books accessible? If it is partially accessible, what parts?
If anyone used it, how is it set up? Like a spreadsheet?

Also is file maker accessible? I think that’s the full name. I’ll check.

Thanks.

Ashley

From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 04:14:22 2011
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:14:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] quickbooks and file maker
Message-ID: <4e951431.a1b4e70a.0f3f.5a1c@mx.google.com>

I=20heard=20that=20Quick=20Books=20is=20not=20accessible,=20and=20have=20ne=
ver=20heard=20
of=20File=20Maker.
Beth

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Wed,=2012=20Oct=202011=2000:10:17=20-0400
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20quickbooks=20and=20file=20maker

Hi=20all,

In=20job=20ads=20I=20run=20across=20software=20needed=20in=20the=20office=20=
and=20see=20it=20
in=20volunteering.=20In=20addition=20to=20databases,=20somesay=20software=20=
to=20
track=20information.
Is=20Quick=20books=20accessible?=20If=20it=20is=20partially=20accessible,=20=
what=20
parts?
If=20anyone=20used=20it,=20how=20is=20it=20set=20up?=20Like=20a=20spreadshe=
et?

Also=20is=20file=20maker=20accessible?=20I=20think=20that=E2=80=99s=20the=20=
full=20name.=20
I=E2=80=99ll=20check.

Thanks.

Ashley
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From tinadt at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 12 04:53:59 2011
From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (Tina Thomas)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:53:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] converting tables in to text in ms word 7
Message-ID: <001701cc889a$f568d0d0$e03a7270$@net>

Does anyone know how to convert tables in to text in ms word 7? Your help
would greatly appreciated. 
Tina



From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 12:56:13 2011
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:56:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] converting tables in to text in ms word 7
In-Reply-To: <001701cc889a$f568d0d0$e03a7270$@net>
References: <001701cc889a$f568d0d0$e03a7270$@net>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdx75xAE3AJABPG9dDtp39Jhwv0JyG+CqCVstJ7O=RtdTQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is quite primitive, so there might be a way in MS word, but
notepad does not have the capacity to have tables, so sometimes, I
select a table, cut it, paste it into notepad, and then paste it back
into word. Or, you can just read it in notepad, but I have found that
sometimes in notepad, JAWS won't read everything that is on the line.
I don't know if that happens to anyone else though. To my knowledge,
the information will be presented as one row on each line with a tab
between cells.

On 10/12/11, Tina Thomas <tinadt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know how to convert tables in to text in ms word 7? Your help
> would greatly appreciated.
> Tina
>
>
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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 13:23:31 2011
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:23:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] converting tables in to text in ms word 7
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdx75xAE3AJABPG9dDtp39Jhwv0JyG+CqCVstJ7O=RtdTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001701cc889a$f568d0d0$e03a7270$@net>
	<CACUFQdx75xAE3AJABPG9dDtp39Jhwv0JyG+CqCVstJ7O=RtdTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD0KW=ZMUn-zt00OunH9B++1cdsk133hTZmR-KdQrU7sGED+Zw@mail.gmail.com>

You could try to read it word for word and when it gets to the end of
the line, it will jump over to the other row, then arow up and down on
the second row. I am not sure if this would work or not ut someone
said something about insirt z. I have not tried it. There are some
websites that you can upload your file to and it will convert it for
you. I had to do this for a test at first before I figured out the
arrowing thing.

On 10/12/11, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is quite primitive, so there might be a way in MS word, but
> notepad does not have the capacity to have tables, so sometimes, I
> select a table, cut it, paste it into notepad, and then paste it back
> into word. Or, you can just read it in notepad, but I have found that
> sometimes in notepad, JAWS won't read everything that is on the line.
> I don't know if that happens to anyone else though. To my knowledge,
> the information will be presented as one row on each line with a tab
> between cells.
>
> On 10/12/11, Tina Thomas <tinadt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Does anyone know how to convert tables in to text in ms word 7? Your help
>> would greatly appreciated.
>> Tina
>>
>>
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>
> --
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>
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From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 12 13:49:17 2011
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:49:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
In-Reply-To: <4E937B08.50001@gmail.com>
References: <4E924503.2040402@gmail.com>	<BA9CC0BD-AF40-440D-AA34-91FE6C6EDA28@gmail.com>	<CAO83KOs3-_CL+RjiKON9s=nVnp9mmOwCV7tvwFDZvAzgK9CG_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E937B08.50001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS276B7E7291F2265BA9F65BAE30@phx.gbl>

Hi all,
    Blind rehab therapist and rehab teacher are one in the same, I do
believe. I am currently pursuing a Masters in rehab teaching myself. Sam, if
you have any questions about a graduate degree in rehab teaching, please do
not hesitate to write me off list. Some programs even offer all or partial
tuition and fees coverage. Mine offers the former.

Take care.

Liz Bottner
Guiding Eyes Graduate Council
GEB Voicemail:  800-942-0149 Ext. 2531
e-mail: 
liziswhatis at hotmail.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sam Hogle
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:09 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction

You may be right. I haven't looked in to the whole braille thing. I just 
did an internship that got my interests with working with the veterins, 
and looked up the name of the masters degree I would need. Since the 
degree was in blind rehab therapy, I just assumed that would make me a 
rehab therapist. But, I may vary well be wrong.
Sam
On 10/10/2011 10:06 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
> I'll say this.
> These are my thoughts.
> A rehab therapist probably helps the blinded vetern cope with
> blindness, while the teacher teaches Braille, and other skills.
> Sam can correct me, if I'm wrong.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/10/11, Anjelina<anjelinac26 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Hi Sam,
>> Welcome to the list. This may be a dumb question but what are the
>> differences between a rehab therapist and a rehab teacher? Are the same
job
>> with two different titles?
>>
>>
>> Anjelina
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Sam Hogle<hogle.sam at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia.
I
>>> was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely
changed
>>> my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State
>>> University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get
a
>>> masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab
>>> therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask
>>> if there is anything else you want to know.
>>> Sam
>>>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 19:32:25 2011
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:32:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents: What
 Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjMtCAX-4+wOLxdO0-kCryOS7DNbKrzmdyB1_vWAhuR=jw@mail.gmail.com>

NABS Membership Committee Presents:

What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You

Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?

Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to succeed?

Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and how it
applies to you?

Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer session
about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach your
educational and employment
goals. Dr. Edward Bell, (director of the Professional Development and
Research Institute on Blindness at Louisiana Tech), will join us to
explain the purpose
of Voc Rehab and empower you to advocate for your needs.

To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers you
need, send your questions to:

nabs.membership at gmail.com

by October 20th.

We look forward to hearing from you.

see you there.


 The National  Association of Blind Students   membership committee.


From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Wed Oct 12 20:22:58 2011
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:22:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] converting tables in to text in ms word 7
In-Reply-To: <001701cc889a$f568d0d0$e03a7270$@net>
Message-ID: <auto-000004011241@mailback4.g2host.com>

Microsoft Word does have an option to convert tables to text within the document.  It is harder to find 
this in Word 7 because so much is reorganized by the ribbon.  However, bring up the ribbon and arrow to 
the "layout tab and then tab through until you find Convert Tables to Text.  You can get there more 
quickly by pressing ALT-J, then L, and then V.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:53:59 -0700, Tina Thomas wrote:

>Does anyone know how to convert tables in to text in ms word 7? Your help
>would greatly appreciated. 
>Tina


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From hogle.sam at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 20:42:48 2011
From: hogle.sam at gmail.com (Sam Hogle)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:42:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfb_of_georgia] Fwd: [LBPH] FW: Touchscreen Braille
 Writer Lets	the Blind Type on a	Tablet - Wired Online, October 12, 2011...
Message-ID: <4E95FBC8.4080009@gmail.com>

I found this article on another list, and thought it was quite 
interesting. Enjoy.
Sam

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[Nfb_of_georgia] Fwd: [LBPH] FW: Touchscreen Braille Writer 
Lets the Blind Type on a Tablet - Wired Online, October 12, 2011...
Date: 	Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:56:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: 	Cone, Stella <scone at georgialibraries.org>
Reply-To: 	NFB of Georgia List <nfb_of_georgia at nfbnet.org>
To: 	TBC list <tbc-l at list.georgialibraries.org>, GA-VI 
<ga-vi at googlegroups.com>, NFB-GA list <nfb_of_georgia at nfbnet.org>



Hi all,




This is a really cool article from Wired Magazine’s online edition of October 12, 2011. The team that created this started out doing one thing and created something better.



http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/10/touchscreen-braille-writer/

I received this from a NLS talking book library list. This is great.

Stella


Stella B. Cone
Director of GLASS
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, NE, Suite 150
Atlanta, GA 30345
404-235-7155
Fax: 404-235-7201
scone at georgialibraries.org
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 22:27:30 2011
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:27:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] converting tables in to text in ms word 7
In-Reply-To: <auto-000004011241@mailback4.g2host.com>
References: <001701cc889a$f568d0d0$e03a7270$@net>
	<auto-000004011241@mailback4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <C4F04C369553461087184DA1A0C30A4E@HumbertoAvila>

Do you  mean word 2007, word 2010, or word with windows 7? 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting tables in to text in ms word 7

Microsoft Word does have an option to convert tables to text within the
document.  It is harder to find 
this in Word 7 because so much is reorganized by the ribbon.  However, bring
up the ribbon and arrow to 
the "layout tab and then tab through until you find Convert Tables to Text.
You can get there more 
quickly by pressing ALT-J, then L, and then V.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:53:59 -0700, Tina Thomas wrote:

>Does anyone know how to convert tables in to text in ms word 7? Your help
>would greatly appreciated. 
>Tina


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From agrima at nbp.org  Thu Oct 13 14:11:10 2011
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:11:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] October Book Club Selection: Nubs, The True Story of a Mutt,
	a Marine & a Miracle
Message-ID: <003b01cc89b1$f5ef0200$e1cd0600$@org>

October 2011 Book Club Selection
Nubs: The True Story of a Mutt, a Marine & a Miracle 
By Brian Dennis, Kirby Larson, & Mary Nethery
Print/braille edition, $17.99
In contracted braille with skip lines
Ages 4-8

An inspirational and heartwarming true story! 

Note: Follow the link below and check out the photo of Nubs and Brian -
maybe the sweetest photo you'll see online all day!

Nubs, an Iraqi dog of war, never had a home or a person of his own. But his
life changes when he meets Marine Major Brian Dennis. The two form a fast
friendship, made stronger by Brian's willingness to share his meals, offer a
warm place to sleep, and give Nubs the kind of care and attention he's never
received before. Nubs becomes part of Dennis's human "pack" until duty
requires the Marines to relocate a full 70 miles away--without him. 

So Nubs sets out through the freezing desert to find his friend. Two days
later, Nubs walks into the camp. But because Marine regulations prohibit the
keeping of pets in a war zone, Brian and his men collect donations and
arrange to send Nubs to live with friends in the United States, where they
eventually reunite in 2008. 

"This is a wonderful story of the mutual devotion and the warm bond found
between people and their pets... with a twist. My 7 year old son, as soon as
we finished, said it best: 'Dad, that was a great story!'"
-B. Franklin, Florida

To order or read more about this book online, visit 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:13:11 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or NLS
Message-ID: <4e9762b2.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec73@mx.google.com>

Hi David,

I'm sorry I missed such an awesome interview, and the 
announcement for it until now.  If you've posted it to the 
Archives page for download, I would love to hear it! If not, 
please do!

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 04:14:46 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard 
Or NLS

Dear david,

This sounds awesome since my sister Rebecca is a booklover
herself too and, I'm sure that she got this message too since she
is on the nabs listserv herself.  Unfortunately, we both won't be
home since we are going on a haunted ghost bus tour in boulder
and, we don't know when we will be home! She would loved to have
the opportunity to hear this live but, can you send this out to
the lists for future recordings and, also for her to download it
herself?

I'm not a booklover myself not as much as she is! Thanks as
always for posting this and, I'm glad that david Andrews let you
posted this awesome announcement here!




Hugs always,
>From amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or
NLS

Since many of you enjoy reading NLS materials, I thought this
would be of interest.  Please, David Andrews, allow this message
to go through.  Thanks in advance...
Hi Everyone!
Please consider sharing this with anyone whom you think would be
interested in this...

Many of us are avid readers.  Whether you buy from audible.com, 
an
online retailer like AudioBookStand, or whether you're one of
those who can't wait for that day each week when Bard, the
digital download site from NLS comes out with its new list of
available downloads, it's fair to say that all of us have some
enjoyment from reading a good book or two.
But have you ever wondered what it is that makes the narrators
you hear so good? How do they get selected? What makes them so
amazing? Well tomorrow you just might learn a thing orr two about
this process.
Join Jonathhan Matte tomorrow, Saturday October 8 2011, at 1 PM
easttern as he gives you a glimpse into the production of NLS
books.  Jon will be interviewing Lou Gutierez, the man in charge
of Benefit Media Inc out of New York City.
Lou is in charge of producing books that get sent to NLS for
distribution to its readers.  Find out about lou's backgrround,
starting from his days with AFB (AMerican Foundation Of The
Blind) to his current work producing books for NLS users.  Learn
what makes a good narrator, how they are selected, how the  books
are produced, and more..
At the end, you'll have a chance to call in and leave comments
and maybe ask a question of Jon about the information he's gained
from this interview.
If you're interested in how these great NLlS books you've read
are produced, then this is a must hear interview.
The program begins at 1 PM eastern, and can be heard on Audio
Access  FM, Stretching The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment.  To
listen at 1 PM eastern, visit
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
to select from a variety of listening options, or if you use
Winamp, you can
1.  Launch Winamp.
2.  Hit Control L and type in
http://sc13.icastcenter.com:10112/stream
followed by the enter key
to tune in.
And, you can learn more about the station by visiting
http://www.audioaccessfm.com
Can't make tomorrow's presentation but still want to hear it? Let
the program's producer, David Dunphy, know by emailing him at
djd at audioaccessfm.com
and if there's enough interest, we can air this presentation
again and/or make it available as a download.
We're excited about bringing you this awesome up close and
personal look about the production of your favorite NLS books,
and we hope you'll be there for this exciting presentation.
>From Jonathan Matte, Host Of This Exciting Interview Special,
And
David Dunphy, Program Producer, Audio Access FM, Stretching The
Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment
http://www.audioaccessfm.com

******
If you're tired of stations that just give you the same types of
programming over and over again, then come with me on a magical
audio journey that leads to AudioAccessFM! This is a station
where you'll hear anything from pop to rap to country; you'll
hear dramatic radio to documentaries to educational programming
and more! To be part of this audio adventure, strap yourself in
and go to
http://www.audioaccessfm.com
as we stretch the boundaries of sound entertainment with sweet
ear candy! Give us a try, you'll be glad you did
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:12:59 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:12:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] videos on the braillenote apex )most recent version(
Message-ID: <4e9762a6.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec68@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,

Sorry I'm a little late on replying to this email.  I've been 
busy with school lately, and have been behind on my personal 
emails.  Yes, you are able to listen to some videos on the 
BrailleNote.  It can support WMV and some other formats I can't 
remember.  You might want to ask on the BrailleNote list as to 
what video formats are supported.  I do know that you can't play 
YouTube videos on the Apex, as they are flash-based.  To play 
these files on the BrailleNote, you will need to use 
www.online-converter.com to convert the video files to MP3, which 
you can play in the Apex's media player.  If you have any 
questions about doing this, please email me off list or listen to 
the podcast called Podcast on Online Converter at 
www.braillenoteusers.info/media.  Hope this helps!

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:21:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] videos on the braillenote apex )most recent 
version(

Hi All,
I was curious to know whether any Braille-Note Apex users have
been able to listen to videos on the Braille-Note? If so, that
would be really cool.  My brother is also blind and is doing
Brain-Pop videos for school.  I'd appreciate it if I could have
some input on it.
Thanks.
Vejas


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:13:20 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
Message-ID: <4e9762ba.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec78@mx.google.com>

Any standard headphones will work on the talking calculators.  I 
myself don't like the earbuds, so I have regular headphones that 
I just plug into the calculator's headphone jack.

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:56:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for 
my
Algebra classes.
The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud, 
with
something that goes around your ear.
Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud 
in place.
The earbuds keep coming apart.
Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds 
stronger,
so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
This is the second one, to be defective.
What's the deal?
Blessings, Joshua

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:13:02 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: FW: [Pibe-division] m.facebook.com is FASTER
Message-ID: <4e9762a8.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec6a@mx.google.com>



 ---- Original Message ------
From: "Chris Nusbaum (school)" <dots4school at gmail.com
Subject: Fwd: FW: [Pibe-division] m.facebook.com is FASTER
Date sent: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:54:01 -0400

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Otwell, Jacqueline" <jsotwel at carrollk12.org
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:42:38 -0400
Subject: FW: [Pibe-division] m.facebook.com is FASTER
To: "dots4school at gmail.com" <dots4school at gmail.com

Did you get this Chris?

Jacqueline Otwell
Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired
Northwest Middle School
410-751-3270
________________________________
From: pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org
[pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr.  Denise M.  
Robinson
[dmehlenbacher at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:59 PM
To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List;
2010-teacher-of-tomorrow at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Pibe-division] m.facebook.com is FASTER

m.facebook.com is
FASTER<http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/2011/10/mfacebookcom-
is-faster.html
All you who are using talking software and are trying to use
FACEBOOK.com, it is time to switch to m.facebook.com

m.facebook.com is an HTML version of Facebook.  All the 
information is
lined up vertically so you can easily move through the text.  You 
will
save tons of time reading the Wall and responding to people

So save time and frustration...go to m.facebook.com and TAB 
through
the pages.  You will start smiling about your Facebook 
experience.

       Denise

Denise M.  Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
Teacher of the Blind & Visually Impaired
TechVision-Independent Contractor
Specialist in blind programming/teaching/training
509-674-1853     deniserob at gmail.com<mailto:deniserob at gmail.com

http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/




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If you have any questions, please email me at this address and/or 
Mrs.
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:13:34 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs digests
Message-ID: <4e9762c8.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec81@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,

The NABS digests come out every day (if it's a busy day on the 
list, which it sometimes is, there might be two or three digests 
in one day) to the people who have their subscription settings 
set to receive those emails.  The digests are just a daily 
collection of all the day's posts batched in one email.  Since 
this is a feature in the Mailman software, you can set your 
subscription to receive digests on all lists you're on that use 
Mailman.  So, you can do this for the BrailleNote list as well.  
If you want to set your
preferences to receive digests for the NABS or any other NFBNET 
lists/lists, go to nfbnet.org, click join or drop NFBNET mailing 
lists, select the list you want, click the link with that list's 
name, and find the form field to put in your subscription email 
address, and click the Unsubscribe or Edit Options button.  From 
the page it next takes you to, type in your password for the 
list.  If you forget it, click the Email Password button and the 
system will send you an email with your password.  Once you've 
clicked the Log In button, it will show you your options for the 
list, which you can change using radio buttons.  You should find 
something about digest mode there.  Once you've changed all the 
settings you want to change, click the save button at the bottom 
of the page.  I personally don't like digests for lists like this 
and Blind Talk, both of which I regularly contribute to, because 
you can't reply to a spesific email.  When I used to receive 
digests from the ACB Students list, I would have to remember each 
subject line of each email I wanted to respond to, and reply to 
the whole digest, putting the subjects of the emails in a heading 
within the email, and then putting my response under it.  As you 
can probably tell, it was a little tedious.  I think you would be 
better off receiving individual emails from the NABS and 
BrailleNote lists so it's easier to contribute to the lists, but 
that's up to you.  If you go to digest mode and don't like it, 
you can always go back in and change your settings.  Hope this 
helps!

Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:45:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs digests

Hi,
I know this may seem a little off topic, but I just joined less
than a month ago, so I just want to get the scoop of things.  How
often does the nabs-like digest come on? Is it consistent, or
does it just happen whatever.
Thanks.
Vejas

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:13:33 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs digests
Message-ID: <4e9762c7.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec7f@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,

The NABS digests

 ----- Original Message -----
From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:45:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs digests

Hi,
I know this may seem a little off topic, but I just joined less
than a month ago, so I just want to get the scoop of things.  How
often does the nabs-like digest come on? Is it consistent, or
does it just happen whatever.
Thanks.
Vejas

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:13:19 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Comments on Steve Jobs
Message-ID: <4e9762b9.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec77@mx.google.com>

Sorry I'm a little late with this, but here is the press release 
the national office sent out commenting on the untimely death of 
Steve Jobs, along with a statement from Dr.  Maurer.  If you 
don't want me to forward these releases to the lists, please let 
me know.  Probably the best way to get all the press releases if 
you're interested is to subscribe to the press release email list 
by going to nfb.org, selecting About the NFB, then Press Room.  
With all that said, here is the release:

 ---- Original Message ------
From: "National Federation of the Blind" <jfreeh at nfb.org
Subject: National Federation of the Blind Comments on Steve Jobs
Date sent: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 12:05:41 -0400


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


CONTACT:
Chris Danielsen
Director of Public Relations
National Federation of the Blind
(410) 659-9314, extension 2330
(410) 262-1281 (Cell)
cdanielsen at nfb.org


National Federation of the Blind
Comments on Steve Jobs


Baltimore, Maryland (October 6, 2011): The National Federation of 
the
Blind (NFB) today commented on the death of Steve Jobs, 
co-founder and
former chairman and chief executive officer of Apple, Inc.

Dr.  Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the 
Blind,
said: "Like so many others, we are saddened to hear of the death 
of
Steve Jobs and extend our condolences to his family, friends, and
colleagues.  Mr.  Jobs demonstrated tremendous vision in 
leadership in
many ways, one of which is the incorporation of access for the 
blind and
others with disabilities into the design of Apple's 
groundbreaking
product line.  Virtually no other manufacturer of mainstream 
consumer
technology has done more to build accessibility into its products 
than
Apple has under Mr.  Jobs's leadership.  Apple's monumental 
access
achievements include the ability for blind users, for the first 
time, to
use touch-screen technology, as well as the inclusion of built-in
support for Braille-aware devices.  The National Federation of 
the Blind
commends and thanks Mr.  Jobs for his extraordinary work."



###


About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the 
Blind is
the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people
in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through
advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging
independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the
blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind.  In 
January
2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:13:21 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:13:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators
Message-ID: <4e9762bc.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec79@mx.google.com>

Which brings me to yet another calculator question! How 
accessible is the calculator in Windows 7? If accessible, you 
could probably use that.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:07:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators

Hello.  This brings me to  yet another calculator question.  
Which talking
scientific calculator, or notetaker with scientific calculator 
software, is
capable of doing fractions? I know a Braille Note does fractions, 
but I
don't have a Braille note and I cannot afford one.  But which 
other
calculator, like a standalone scientific calculator is capable of 
doing it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Calculators

Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
A lady started a thread, on here about graphing calculators, that
prompted me to talk about an issue i'm having with mine.
I have a talking scientific calculator, that I love to use, for 
my
Algebra classes.
The problem is, that every calculator I received, had an earbud, 
with
something that goes around your ear.
Well, the thing that goes around your ear, also holds the earbud 
in place.
The earbuds keep coming apart.
Why don't the makers of these calculators make their earbuds 
stronger,
so that they don't break, all of a sudden?
All I did, was put it on, once, and it broke.
I wasn't trying to mess it up, either.
This is the second one, to be defective.
What's the deal?
Blessings, Joshua

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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:30:24 2011
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:30:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or NLS
In-Reply-To: <4e9762b2.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec73@mx.google.com>
References: <4e9762b2.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec73@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALUTO90G2sWT4HyjLEZUbk743VGGA6-S4S7HBqYNwtwaYExXNA@mail.gmail.com>

David,'

I'd also like a link if you eventually archive.
Courtney

On 10/13/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> I'm sorry I missed such an awesome interview, and the
> announcement for it until now.  If you've posted it to the
> Archives page for download, I would love to hear it! If not,
> please do!
>
> Chris
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 04:14:46 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard
> Or NLS
>
> Dear david,
>
> This sounds awesome since my sister Rebecca is a booklover
> herself too and, I'm sure that she got this message too since she
> is on the nabs listserv herself.  Unfortunately, we both won't be
> home since we are going on a haunted ghost bus tour in boulder
> and, we don't know when we will be home! She would loved to have
> the opportunity to hear this live but, can you send this out to
> the lists for future recordings and, also for her to download it
> herself?
>
> I'm not a booklover myself not as much as she is! Thanks as
> always for posting this and, I'm glad that david Andrews let you
> posted this awesome announcement here!
>
>
>
>
> Hugs always,
> From amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 11:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or
> NLS
>
> Since many of you enjoy reading NLS materials, I thought this
> would be of interest.  Please, David Andrews, allow this message
> to go through.  Thanks in advance...
> Hi Everyone!
> Please consider sharing this with anyone whom you think would be
> interested in this...
>
> Many of us are avid readers.  Whether you buy from audible.com,
> an
> online retailer like AudioBookStand, or whether you're one of
> those who can't wait for that day each week when Bard, the
> digital download site from NLS comes out with its new list of
> available downloads, it's fair to say that all of us have some
> enjoyment from reading a good book or two.
> But have you ever wondered what it is that makes the narrators
> you hear so good? How do they get selected? What makes them so
> amazing? Well tomorrow you just might learn a thing orr two about
> this process.
> Join Jonathhan Matte tomorrow, Saturday October 8 2011, at 1 PM
> easttern as he gives you a glimpse into the production of NLS
> books.  Jon will be interviewing Lou Gutierez, the man in charge
> of Benefit Media Inc out of New York City.
> Lou is in charge of producing books that get sent to NLS for
> distribution to its readers.  Find out about lou's backgrround,
> starting from his days with AFB (AMerican Foundation Of The
> Blind) to his current work producing books for NLS users.  Learn
> what makes a good narrator, how they are selected, how the  books
> are produced, and more..
> At the end, you'll have a chance to call in and leave comments
> and maybe ask a question of Jon about the information he's gained
> from this interview.
> If you're interested in how these great NLlS books you've read
> are produced, then this is a must hear interview.
> The program begins at 1 PM eastern, and can be heard on Audio
> Access  FM, Stretching The Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment.  To
> listen at 1 PM eastern, visit
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
> to select from a variety of listening options, or if you use
> Winamp, you can
> 1.  Launch Winamp.
> 2.  Hit Control L and type in
> http://sc13.icastcenter.com:10112/stream
> followed by the enter key
> to tune in.
> And, you can learn more about the station by visiting
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com
> Can't make tomorrow's presentation but still want to hear it? Let
> the program's producer, David Dunphy, know by emailing him at
> djd at audioaccessfm.com
> and if there's enough interest, we can air this presentation
> again and/or make it available as a download.
> We're excited about bringing you this awesome up close and
> personal look about the production of your favorite NLS books,
> and we hope you'll be there for this exciting presentation.
> From Jonathan Matte, Host Of This Exciting Interview Special,
> And
> David Dunphy, Program Producer, Audio Access FM, Stretching The
> Boundaries Of Sound Entertainment
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com
>
> ******
> If you're tired of stations that just give you the same types of
> programming over and over again, then come with me on a magical
> audio journey that leads to AudioAccessFM! This is a station
> where you'll hear anything from pop to rap to country; you'll
> hear dramatic radio to documentaries to educational programming
> and more! To be part of this audio adventure, strap yourself in
> and go to
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com
> as we stretch the boundaries of sound entertainment with sweet
> ear candy! Give us a try, you'll be glad you did
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From hogle.sam at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 23:10:21 2011
From: hogle.sam at gmail.com (Sam Hogle)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:10:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: FW: [Pibe-division] m.facebook.com is FASTER
In-Reply-To: <4e9762a8.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec6a@mx.google.com>
References: <4e9762a8.06afe00a.29d7.ffffec6a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4E976FDD.1050909@gmail.com>

I completely agree. I joined facebook 2 years ago, and have allways used 
this sight. Not only do you avoid all the annoying useless stuff, but 
you also get saved lots of headaches since most of the updates don't 
affect it.
Sam
On 10/13/2011 6:13 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>
>
> ---- Original Message ------
> From: "Chris Nusbaum (school)" <dots4school at gmail.com
> Subject: Fwd: FW: [Pibe-division] m.facebook.com is FASTER
> Date sent: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:54:01 -0400
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Otwell, Jacqueline" <jsotwel at carrollk12.org
> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:42:38 -0400
> Subject: FW: [Pibe-division] m.facebook.com is FASTER
> To: "dots4school at gmail.com" <dots4school at gmail.com
>
> Did you get this Chris?
>
> Jacqueline Otwell
> Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired
> Northwest Middle School
> 410-751-3270
> ________________________________
> From: pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [pibe-division-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr.  Denise M.  Robinson
> [dmehlenbacher at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:59 PM
> To: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List;
> 2010-teacher-of-tomorrow at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Pibe-division] m.facebook.com is FASTER
>
> m.facebook.com is
> FASTER<http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/2011/10/mfacebookcom-
> is-faster.html
> All you who are using talking software and are trying to use
> FACEBOOK.com, it is time to switch to m.facebook.com
>
> m.facebook.com is an HTML version of Facebook.  All the information is
> lined up vertically so you can easily move through the text.  You will
> save tons of time reading the Wall and responding to people
>
> So save time and frustration...go to m.facebook.com and TAB through
> the pages.  You will start smiling about your Facebook experience.
>
>       Denise
>
> Denise M.  Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
> Teacher of the Blind & Visually Impaired
> TechVision-Independent Contractor
> Specialist in blind programming/teaching/training
> 509-674-1853     deniserob at gmail.com<mailto:deniserob at gmail.com
>
> http://blindgeteducated.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> School Email: dots4school at gmail.com
>
> Please copy Miss Sharon on all emails with classwork/homework you send
> to me.  Her email is: snmain at carrollk12.org.
>
> If you have any questions, please email me at this address and/or Mrs.
> Otwell at jsotwel at carrollk12.org
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 13 23:40:08 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:40:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
Message-ID: <F1ECF6C7048C4079A2ADD2DAC1619D5A@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I’ve not been the best at finding people and integrating into a crowd or going to a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once I know people, I’m okay. But breaking the ice is hard. I’m a cane user and I’ll find a spot to sit but may not know who is around.

What are tips for getting to know people and finding who is there? I cannot see familiar faces. If its totally new, I don’t recognize voices. Do you just say something to a nearby person “hi, how are you? I am {your name} and its good to be here.”
How do you deal with slides you cannot see? Do you contact them ahead of time for an alternative format?

When I say structured activity, I mean something where people sit down in a room to hear a speaker, have small group discussions, or see an event.
Some examples:
1. any club activity on campus
2. a religious activity such as bible study
3. a meeting in the community of similar interest people such as a writing club or toastmasters group.
4. a conference

When you have a general crowd, its even harder to know what is happening or find people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or reception.

I’m planning to join some groups soon such as a writer’s club and perhaps a bible study. I might join toastmasters because I like speaking and want to polish my speaking skills. And I’m heading to homecoming too. So I got to wondering tips and how others feel. 

Sometimes I don’t feel included. People might say Ashley, I’ll help you get some food and then proceed to describe it and serve me at the counter. But then after I’m seated they wander off. 

Thanks.
Ashley

From hogle.sam at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 23:54:12 2011
From: hogle.sam at gmail.com (Sam Hogle)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:54:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
In-Reply-To: <F1ECF6C7048C4079A2ADD2DAC1619D5A@OwnerPC>
References: <F1ECF6C7048C4079A2ADD2DAC1619D5A@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <4E977A24.7050009@gmail.com>

Hi Ashley. I completely agree with what you're saying here. I'm a dog 
user, and because of that, I feel that this topic is even more 
important. For example, it never fails that a friendly dog will guide 
you in to a room and find you a chair, but not make sure it's an empty 
one. lol
Also, I agree with the whole issue of trying to break the ice with 
people. For the record, it's just a little aukward
when you're talking to someone without realizing they've walked away. I 
guess that's just something I've gotten used too. However, I agree it's 
good to have tips. After all, if you're at a social event where you're 
supposed to break off in to groups, it would be just a little 
embarrassing to turn to see if you can join a group only to discover 
you're talking to a wall and not a person. Anyway, I guess what I'm 
trying to say here is I am also in the club that could benefit from any 
tips, and I'm sure there are many more of us.
Sam
On 10/13/2011 7:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve not been the best at finding people and integrating into a crowd or going to a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once I know people, I’m okay. But breaking the ice is hard. I’m a cane user and I’ll find a spot to sit but may not know who is around.
>
> What are tips for getting to know people and finding who is there? I cannot see familiar faces. If its totally new, I don’t recognize voices. Do you just say something to a nearby person “hi, how are you? I am {your name} and its good to be here.”
> How do you deal with slides you cannot see? Do you contact them ahead of time for an alternative format?
>
> When I say structured activity, I mean something where people sit down in a room to hear a speaker, have small group discussions, or see an event.
> Some examples:
> 1. any club activity on campus
> 2. a religious activity such as bible study
> 3. a meeting in the community of similar interest people such as a writing club or toastmasters group.
> 4. a conference
>
> When you have a general crowd, its even harder to know what is happening or find people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or reception.
>
> I’m planning to join some groups soon such as a writer’s club and perhaps a bible study. I might join toastmasters because I like speaking and want to polish my speaking skills. And I’m heading to homecoming too. So I got to wondering tips and how others feel.
>
> Sometimes I don’t feel included. People might say Ashley, I’ll help you get some food and then proceed to describe it and serve me at the counter. But then after I’m seated they wander off.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 23:53:32 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:53:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
Message-ID: <4e977a36.e571340a.7725.0a0c@mx.google.com>

Hi Sam,

Welcome to the list!!!! Feel free to ask any questions of us you 
want/need to, no matter how silly it may seem, as we're all here 
to help and be a resource for one another.  That's what I tell 
each new member to our list.  I'm glad you have gained so much 
out of the Federation, as I have, and I agree that it is a 
life-changing thing when you discover the NFB.  I'm also glad 
that you're studying to become a rehab therapist for the blind! A 
lot of rehab counselors I've heard about have very common but 
false misconceptions about blindness, and I'm glad you, as a 
blind person and a Federationist, are studying to become a rehab 
therapist.  I think blind people like you who are studying or 
aspiring to be a rehab counselor for the blind will help us 
change what it means to be blind! Again, welcome to the list, and 
I hope you find us informative! * Smiles!

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Hogle <hogle.sam at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:06:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction

Hello all.  My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta 
Georgia.
I was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has 
definitely
changed my life for the better.  I'm currently a junior at 
Kennesaw State
University, where I am getting a degree in human services.  I 
plan to get
a masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as 
a rehab
therapist for veterins.  That's the basics about me, but feel 
free to ask
if there is anything else you want to know.
Sam

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 14 00:09:44 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:09:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
In-Reply-To: <4E977A24.7050009@gmail.com>
References: <F1ECF6C7048C4079A2ADD2DAC1619D5A@OwnerPC>
	<4E977A24.7050009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F6E380E2FC7448C8BD3AB380212CED8@OwnerPC>

Sam,
One thing that helps me is to act interested. I see too many blind people 
who have their head down, rock their head, or look down.
This shows a disinterested image; it’s a body language thing and people 
won't approach you easily with a hunched over person "staring" at the floor.
You need to sit up straight and have your head forward. I have central 
vision so its more natural. But even ify your fully blind, having your head 
up and making eye contact is a good habit.

I often have people approach me and introduce themselves so far. But I don't 
meet as many people then. If I'm lucky, the individual will take me around 
and introduce me to some of their friends. I wonder if nonverbal 
communication would help. Anyone learned gestures? Has that made a 
difference?
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Hogle
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:54 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings

Hi Ashley. I completely agree with what you're saying here. I'm a dog
user, and because of that, I feel that this topic is even more
important. For example, it never fails that a friendly dog will guide
you in to a room and find you a chair, but not make sure it's an empty
one. lol
Also, I agree with the whole issue of trying to break the ice with
people. For the record, it's just a little aukward
when you're talking to someone without realizing they've walked away. I
guess that's just something I've gotten used too. However, I agree it's
good to have tips. After all, if you're at a social event where you're
supposed to break off in to groups, it would be just a little
embarrassing to turn to see if you can join a group only to discover
you're talking to a wall and not a person. Anyway, I guess what I'm
trying to say here is I am also in the club that could benefit from any
tips, and I'm sure there are many more of us.
Sam
On 10/13/2011 7:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve not been the best at finding people and integrating into a crowd or 
> going to a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once I know people, I’m 
> okay. But breaking the ice is hard. I’m a cane user and I’ll find a spot 
> to sit but may not know who is around.
>
> What are tips for getting to know people and finding who is there? I 
> cannot see familiar faces. If its totally new, I don’t recognize voices. 
> Do you just say something to a nearby person “hi, how are you? I am {your 
> name} and its good to be here.”
> How do you deal with slides you cannot see? Do you contact them ahead of 
> time for an alternative format?
>
> When I say structured activity, I mean something where people sit down in 
> a room to hear a speaker, have small group discussions, or see an event.
> Some examples:
> 1. any club activity on campus
> 2. a religious activity such as bible study
> 3. a meeting in the community of similar interest people such as a writing 
> club or toastmasters group.
> 4. a conference
>
> When you have a general crowd, its even harder to know what is happening 
> or find people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or reception.
>
> I’m planning to join some groups soon such as a writer’s club and perhaps 
> a bible study. I might join toastmasters because I like speaking and want 
> to polish my speaking skills. And I’m heading to homecoming too. So I got 
> to wondering tips and how others feel.
>
> Sometimes I don’t feel included. People might say Ashley, I’ll help you 
> get some food and then proceed to describe it and serve me at the counter. 
> But then after I’m seated they wander off.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 01:14:59 2011
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:14:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
In-Reply-To: <3F6E380E2FC7448C8BD3AB380212CED8@OwnerPC>
References: <F1ECF6C7048C4079A2ADD2DAC1619D5A@OwnerPC><4E977A24.7050009@gmail.com>
	<3F6E380E2FC7448C8BD3AB380212CED8@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <27B506BABB25439FB714B1D5524387E9@HumbertoAvila>

Hello, but how can I make eye contact with someone if I am blind. I can
understand looking in the face, but not looking in the eyes since I might
beam my eyes "crooked" or "slightly crooked" at someone as I look into their
eyes, and I think  this is also embarracing. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:10 PM
To: shogle at students.kennesaw.edu; National Association of Blind Students
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings

Sam,
One thing that helps me is to act interested. I see too many blind people 
who have their head down, rock their head, or look down.
This shows a disinterested image; it's a body language thing and people 
won't approach you easily with a hunched over person "staring" at the floor.
You need to sit up straight and have your head forward. I have central 
vision so its more natural. But even ify your fully blind, having your head 
up and making eye contact is a good habit.

I often have people approach me and introduce themselves so far. But I don't

meet as many people then. If I'm lucky, the individual will take me around 
and introduce me to some of their friends. I wonder if nonverbal 
communication would help. Anyone learned gestures? Has that made a 
difference?
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Hogle
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:54 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings

Hi Ashley. I completely agree with what you're saying here. I'm a dog
user, and because of that, I feel that this topic is even more
important. For example, it never fails that a friendly dog will guide
you in to a room and find you a chair, but not make sure it's an empty
one. lol
Also, I agree with the whole issue of trying to break the ice with
people. For the record, it's just a little aukward
when you're talking to someone without realizing they've walked away. I
guess that's just something I've gotten used too. However, I agree it's
good to have tips. After all, if you're at a social event where you're
supposed to break off in to groups, it would be just a little
embarrassing to turn to see if you can join a group only to discover
you're talking to a wall and not a person. Anyway, I guess what I'm
trying to say here is I am also in the club that could benefit from any
tips, and I'm sure there are many more of us.
Sam
On 10/13/2011 7:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've not been the best at finding people and integrating into a crowd or 
> going to a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once I know people,
I'm 
> okay. But breaking the ice is hard. I'm a cane user and I'll find a spot 
> to sit but may not know who is around.
>
> What are tips for getting to know people and finding who is there? I 
> cannot see familiar faces. If its totally new, I don't recognize voices. 
> Do you just say something to a nearby person "hi, how are you? I am {your 
> name} and its good to be here."
> How do you deal with slides you cannot see? Do you contact them ahead of 
> time for an alternative format?
>
> When I say structured activity, I mean something where people sit down in 
> a room to hear a speaker, have small group discussions, or see an event.
> Some examples:
> 1. any club activity on campus
> 2. a religious activity such as bible study
> 3. a meeting in the community of similar interest people such as a writing

> club or toastmasters group.
> 4. a conference
>
> When you have a general crowd, its even harder to know what is happening 
> or find people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or reception.
>
> I'm planning to join some groups soon such as a writer's club and perhaps 
> a bible study. I might join toastmasters because I like speaking and want 
> to polish my speaking skills. And I'm heading to homecoming too. So I got 
> to wondering tips and how others feel.
>
> Sometimes I don't feel included. People might say Ashley, I'll help you 
> get some food and then proceed to describe it and serve me at the counter.

> But then after I'm seated they wander off.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 14 01:29:28 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:29:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
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Just look toward them then. And in a professional setting if your eyes look 
weird, you might want to wear sunglasses so people don't notice them.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:14 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings

Hello, but how can I make eye contact with someone if I am blind. I can
understand looking in the face, but not looking in the eyes since I might
beam my eyes "crooked" or "slightly crooked" at someone as I look into their
eyes, and I think  this is also embarracing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:10 PM
To: shogle at students.kennesaw.edu; National Association of Blind Students
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings

Sam,
One thing that helps me is to act interested. I see too many blind people
who have their head down, rock their head, or look down.
This shows a disinterested image; it's a body language thing and people
won't approach you easily with a hunched over person "staring" at the floor.
You need to sit up straight and have your head forward. I have central
vision so its more natural. But even ify your fully blind, having your head
up and making eye contact is a good habit.

I often have people approach me and introduce themselves so far. But I don't

meet as many people then. If I'm lucky, the individual will take me around
and introduce me to some of their friends. I wonder if nonverbal
communication would help. Anyone learned gestures? Has that made a
difference?
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Hogle
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:54 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings

Hi Ashley. I completely agree with what you're saying here. I'm a dog
user, and because of that, I feel that this topic is even more
important. For example, it never fails that a friendly dog will guide
you in to a room and find you a chair, but not make sure it's an empty
one. lol
Also, I agree with the whole issue of trying to break the ice with
people. For the record, it's just a little aukward
when you're talking to someone without realizing they've walked away. I
guess that's just something I've gotten used too. However, I agree it's
good to have tips. After all, if you're at a social event where you're
supposed to break off in to groups, it would be just a little
embarrassing to turn to see if you can join a group only to discover
you're talking to a wall and not a person. Anyway, I guess what I'm
trying to say here is I am also in the club that could benefit from any
tips, and I'm sure there are many more of us.
Sam
On 10/13/2011 7:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've not been the best at finding people and integrating into a crowd or
> going to a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once I know people,
I'm
> okay. But breaking the ice is hard. I'm a cane user and I'll find a spot
> to sit but may not know who is around.
>
> What are tips for getting to know people and finding who is there? I
> cannot see familiar faces. If its totally new, I don't recognize voices.
> Do you just say something to a nearby person "hi, how are you? I am {your
> name} and its good to be here."
> How do you deal with slides you cannot see? Do you contact them ahead of
> time for an alternative format?
>
> When I say structured activity, I mean something where people sit down in
> a room to hear a speaker, have small group discussions, or see an event.
> Some examples:
> 1. any club activity on campus
> 2. a religious activity such as bible study
> 3. a meeting in the community of similar interest people such as a writing

> club or toastmasters group.
> 4. a conference
>
> When you have a general crowd, its even harder to know what is happening
> or find people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or reception.
>
> I'm planning to join some groups soon such as a writer's club and perhaps
> a bible study. I might join toastmasters because I like speaking and want
> to polish my speaking skills. And I'm heading to homecoming too. So I got
> to wondering tips and how others feel.
>
> Sometimes I don't feel included. People might say Ashley, I'll help you
> get some food and then proceed to describe it and serve me at the counter.

> But then after I'm seated they wander off.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From debbiewunder at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 14 01:58:33 2011
From: debbiewunder at earthlink.net (Debbie Wunder)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:58:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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Hi Sam welcome to the list! We made a wonderful trip this past summer with 
our 16 year old daughter Abbey to Savannah, to look at SCAT. It is a great 
school, but a bit high,so we are in hopes of a great number of scholarships.

Anyway, love your state, hope to meet you in Dallas.
Debbie Wunder
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sam Hogle" <hogle.sam at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction


> Hello all. My name is Sam Hogle, and I live outside of Atlanta Georgia. I 
> was introduced to the NFB about 4 years ago, and it has definitely changed 
> my life for the better. I'm currently a junior at Kennesaw State 
> University, where I am getting a degree in human services. I plan to get a 
> masters in blind rehab therapy, and to eventually get a job as a rehab 
> therapist for veterins. That's the basics about me, but feel free to ask 
> if there is anything else you want to know.
> Sam
>
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 02:12:34 2011
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:12:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
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Humberto, 
Don't be embarrassed if your eyes aren't looking directly into the other person's eyes.  It's actually more normal for people to look near the eyes than directly into them.  People generally make brief eye contact, lasting at most 3 to 5 seconds before looking somewhere else like the forehead or mouth etc.  Extended eye contact is usually reserved for confrontation or intimacy.  Just directing your gaze to slightly above where you hear someone speaking is good enough.  

As far as tips for social situations, I think the most important, but also most difficult, thing is to be confident.  Navigating in busy social situations where you don't know anyone can be really difficult.  People may be hesitant to interact with a blind person because they have never had to do so and they imagine it might be different, and so they are awkward.  If we compound the awkwardness by acting uncomfortable or nervous, we only make the problem worse.  I have found  that when I am confident and not awkward about the fact that I can't see them, people quickly take a clue and relax.  

For example, if you find a seat and you want to know who is around you, its perfectly ok to turn and ask, "is anyone sitting to my left?"  It obviously helps if you can hear people moving around to one side or another, so do your best, but sometimes you just have to go for it.  If no one is there, it might be a little embarrassing, but probably not since most likely  no one heard you ask in the first place.  

If you know someone is close by, Ashley's suggestion of turning and saying "Hi, I'm Greg" is a good one.  If there is a chance it is someone you have already met you can say, "Hi, I'm Greg.  Have we met?"  Many times just introducing myself has been enough to overcome any awkwardness toward blindness and start a conversation like they might with any other stranger.  

Things like joining a conversation already in progress still stump me.  I usually don't do this well and end up feeling like I'm just listening in on someone else's conversation.  If anyone has any tips for that I would be interested.  

Hope these are helpful.

Greg
On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Humberto Avila wrote:

> Hello, but how can I make eye contact with someone if I am blind. I can
> understand looking in the face, but not looking in the eyes since I might
> beam my eyes "crooked" or "slightly crooked" at someone as I look into their
> eyes, and I think  this is also embarracing. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:10 PM
> To: shogle at students.kennesaw.edu; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
> 
> Sam,
> One thing that helps me is to act interested. I see too many blind people 
> who have their head down, rock their head, or look down.
> This shows a disinterested image; it's a body language thing and people 
> won't approach you easily with a hunched over person "staring" at the floor.
> You need to sit up straight and have your head forward. I have central 
> vision so its more natural. But even ify your fully blind, having your head 
> up and making eye contact is a good habit.
> 
> I often have people approach me and introduce themselves so far. But I don't
> 
> meet as many people then. If I'm lucky, the individual will take me around 
> and introduce me to some of their friends. I wonder if nonverbal 
> communication would help. Anyone learned gestures? Has that made a 
> difference?
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Sam Hogle
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:54 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
> 
> Hi Ashley. I completely agree with what you're saying here. I'm a dog
> user, and because of that, I feel that this topic is even more
> important. For example, it never fails that a friendly dog will guide
> you in to a room and find you a chair, but not make sure it's an empty
> one. lol
> Also, I agree with the whole issue of trying to break the ice with
> people. For the record, it's just a little aukward
> when you're talking to someone without realizing they've walked away. I
> guess that's just something I've gotten used too. However, I agree it's
> good to have tips. After all, if you're at a social event where you're
> supposed to break off in to groups, it would be just a little
> embarrassing to turn to see if you can join a group only to discover
> you're talking to a wall and not a person. Anyway, I guess what I'm
> trying to say here is I am also in the club that could benefit from any
> tips, and I'm sure there are many more of us.
> Sam
> On 10/13/2011 7:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've not been the best at finding people and integrating into a crowd or 
>> going to a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once I know people,
> I'm 
>> okay. But breaking the ice is hard. I'm a cane user and I'll find a spot 
>> to sit but may not know who is around.
>> 
>> What are tips for getting to know people and finding who is there? I 
>> cannot see familiar faces. If its totally new, I don't recognize voices. 
>> Do you just say something to a nearby person "hi, how are you? I am {your 
>> name} and its good to be here."
>> How do you deal with slides you cannot see? Do you contact them ahead of 
>> time for an alternative format?
>> 
>> When I say structured activity, I mean something where people sit down in 
>> a room to hear a speaker, have small group discussions, or see an event.
>> Some examples:
>> 1. any club activity on campus
>> 2. a religious activity such as bible study
>> 3. a meeting in the community of similar interest people such as a writing
> 
>> club or toastmasters group.
>> 4. a conference
>> 
>> When you have a general crowd, its even harder to know what is happening 
>> or find people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or reception.
>> 
>> I'm planning to join some groups soon such as a writer's club and perhaps 
>> a bible study. I might join toastmasters because I like speaking and want 
>> to polish my speaking skills. And I'm heading to homecoming too. So I got 
>> to wondering tips and how others feel.
>> 
>> Sometimes I don't feel included. People might say Ashley, I'll help you 
>> get some food and then proceed to describe it and serve me at the counter.
> 
>> But then after I'm seated they wander off.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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From hogle.sam at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 02:21:02 2011
From: hogle.sam at gmail.com (Sam Hogle)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:21:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
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Hello Greg. I too have had issues with just joining a conversation 
already in progress. I've noticed that you can do this depending on the 
person. Some don't care, while others tend to like their privacy. 
However, for me it's tricky to figure this out since being unable to see 
facial expressions is an issue. So, I've allways just tried to play it 
safe and stay out of these discussions unless it's something I think 
might catch the interest of others.
Sam
On 10/13/2011 10:12 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> Humberto,
> Don't be embarrassed if your eyes aren't looking directly into the other person's eyes.  It's actually more normal for people to look near the eyes than directly into them.  People generally make brief eye contact, lasting at most 3 to 5 seconds before looking somewhere else like the forehead or mouth etc.  Extended eye contact is usually reserved for confrontation or intimacy.  Just directing your gaze to slightly above where you hear someone speaking is good enough.
>
> As far as tips for social situations, I think the most important, but also most difficult, thing is to be confident.  Navigating in busy social situations where you don't know anyone can be really difficult.  People may be hesitant to interact with a blind person because they have never had to do so and they imagine it might be different, and so they are awkward.  If we compound the awkwardness by acting uncomfortable or nervous, we only make the problem worse.  I have found  that when I am confident and not awkward about the fact that I can't see them, people quickly take a clue and relax.
>
> For example, if you find a seat and you want to know who is around you, its perfectly ok to turn and ask, "is anyone sitting to my left?"  It obviously helps if you can hear people moving around to one side or another, so do your best, but sometimes you just have to go for it.  If no one is there, it might be a little embarrassing, but probably not since most likely  no one heard you ask in the first place.
>
> If you know someone is close by, Ashley's suggestion of turning and saying "Hi, I'm Greg" is a good one.  If there is a chance it is someone you have already met you can say, "Hi, I'm Greg.  Have we met?"  Many times just introducing myself has been enough to overcome any awkwardness toward blindness and start a conversation like they might with any other stranger.
>
> Things like joining a conversation already in progress still stump me.  I usually don't do this well and end up feeling like I'm just listening in on someone else's conversation.  If anyone has any tips for that I would be interested.
>
> Hope these are helpful.
>
> Greg
> On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Humberto Avila wrote:
>
>> Hello, but how can I make eye contact with someone if I am blind. I can
>> understand looking in the face, but not looking in the eyes since I might
>> beam my eyes "crooked" or "slightly crooked" at someone as I look into their
>> eyes, and I think  this is also embarracing.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:10 PM
>> To: shogle at students.kennesaw.edu; National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
>>
>> Sam,
>> One thing that helps me is to act interested. I see too many blind people
>> who have their head down, rock their head, or look down.
>> This shows a disinterested image; it's a body language thing and people
>> won't approach you easily with a hunched over person "staring" at the floor.
>> You need to sit up straight and have your head forward. I have central
>> vision so its more natural. But even ify your fully blind, having your head
>> up and making eye contact is a good habit.
>>
>> I often have people approach me and introduce themselves so far. But I don't
>>
>> meet as many people then. If I'm lucky, the individual will take me around
>> and introduce me to some of their friends. I wonder if nonverbal
>> communication would help. Anyone learned gestures? Has that made a
>> difference?
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sam Hogle
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:54 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
>>
>> Hi Ashley. I completely agree with what you're saying here. I'm a dog
>> user, and because of that, I feel that this topic is even more
>> important. For example, it never fails that a friendly dog will guide
>> you in to a room and find you a chair, but not make sure it's an empty
>> one. lol
>> Also, I agree with the whole issue of trying to break the ice with
>> people. For the record, it's just a little aukward
>> when you're talking to someone without realizing they've walked away. I
>> guess that's just something I've gotten used too. However, I agree it's
>> good to have tips. After all, if you're at a social event where you're
>> supposed to break off in to groups, it would be just a little
>> embarrassing to turn to see if you can join a group only to discover
>> you're talking to a wall and not a person. Anyway, I guess what I'm
>> trying to say here is I am also in the club that could benefit from any
>> tips, and I'm sure there are many more of us.
>> Sam
>> On 10/13/2011 7:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've not been the best at finding people and integrating into a crowd or
>>> going to a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once I know people,
>> I'm
>>> okay. But breaking the ice is hard. I'm a cane user and I'll find a spot
>>> to sit but may not know who is around.
>>>
>>> What are tips for getting to know people and finding who is there? I
>>> cannot see familiar faces. If its totally new, I don't recognize voices.
>>> Do you just say something to a nearby person "hi, how are you? I am {your
>>> name} and its good to be here."
>>> How do you deal with slides you cannot see? Do you contact them ahead of
>>> time for an alternative format?
>>>
>>> When I say structured activity, I mean something where people sit down in
>>> a room to hear a speaker, have small group discussions, or see an event.
>>> Some examples:
>>> 1. any club activity on campus
>>> 2. a religious activity such as bible study
>>> 3. a meeting in the community of similar interest people such as a writing
>>> club or toastmasters group.
>>> 4. a conference
>>>
>>> When you have a general crowd, its even harder to know what is happening
>>> or find people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or reception.
>>>
>>> I'm planning to join some groups soon such as a writer's club and perhaps
>>> a bible study. I might join toastmasters because I like speaking and want
>>> to polish my speaking skills. And I'm heading to homecoming too. So I got
>>> to wondering tips and how others feel.
>>>
>>> Sometimes I don't feel included. People might say Ashley, I'll help you
>>> get some food and then proceed to describe it and serve me at the counter.
>>> But then after I'm seated they wander off.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 14 02:24:47 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:24:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
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Greg,
Since I've gone and will go to events such as homecoming where I would like 
to mingle and join conversations in progress, I wonder about this too. If 
I'm at a table or in a row of people, I can talk to people around me, but 
some events like receptions and parties or that wedding shower I went to 
have clusters of people milling around. People form subgroups and talk. How 
can I wander around well and join conversations without butting in to them? 
Do I just listen for a pause and join? Do I listen and just hope someone 
turns and says, "Oh hi Ashley, join us."

I imagine that might happen even with sighted people; they will see a newby 
or recognize a face, and say something.

I have trouble finding people I know in crowds. The only solution I have is 
to ask someone else to look for that individual.
I want to join more social events so just got to wondering. And yes being 
open, friendly and confident is a big help to get you to look  approachable.
Ashley



-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Aikens
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings

Humberto,
Don't be embarrassed if your eyes aren't looking directly into the other 
person's eyes.  It's actually more normal for people to look near the eyes 
than directly into them.  People generally make brief eye contact, lasting 
at most 3 to 5 seconds before looking somewhere else like the forehead or 
mouth etc.  Extended eye contact is usually reserved for confrontation or 
intimacy.  Just directing your gaze to slightly above where you hear someone 
speaking is good enough.

As far as tips for social situations, I think the most important, but also 
most difficult, thing is to be confident.  Navigating in busy social 
situations where you don't know anyone can be really difficult.  People may 
be hesitant to interact with a blind person because they have never had to 
do so and they imagine it might be different, and so they are awkward.  If 
we compound the awkwardness by acting uncomfortable or nervous, we only make 
the problem worse.  I have found  that when I am confident and not awkward 
about the fact that I can't see them, people quickly take a clue and relax.

For example, if you find a seat and you want to know who is around you, its 
perfectly ok to turn and ask, "is anyone sitting to my left?"  It obviously 
helps if you can hear people moving around to one side or another, so do 
your best, but sometimes you just have to go for it.  If no one is there, it 
might be a little embarrassing, but probably not since most likely  no one 
heard you ask in the first place.

If you know someone is close by, Ashley's suggestion of turning and saying 
"Hi, I'm Greg" is a good one.  If there is a chance it is someone you have 
already met you can say, "Hi, I'm Greg.  Have we met?"  Many times just 
introducing myself has been enough to overcome any awkwardness toward 
blindness and start a conversation like they might with any other stranger.

Things like joining a conversation already in progress still stump me.  I 
usually don't do this well and end up feeling like I'm just listening in on 
someone else's conversation.  If anyone has any tips for that I would be 
interested.

Hope these are helpful.

Greg
On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Humberto Avila wrote:

> Hello, but how can I make eye contact with someone if I am blind. I can
> understand looking in the face, but not looking in the eyes since I might
> beam my eyes "crooked" or "slightly crooked" at someone as I look into 
> their
> eyes, and I think  this is also embarracing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:10 PM
> To: shogle at students.kennesaw.edu; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
>
> Sam,
> One thing that helps me is to act interested. I see too many blind people
> who have their head down, rock their head, or look down.
> This shows a disinterested image; it's a body language thing and people
> won't approach you easily with a hunched over person "staring" at the 
> floor.
> You need to sit up straight and have your head forward. I have central
> vision so its more natural. But even ify your fully blind, having your 
> head
> up and making eye contact is a good habit.
>
> I often have people approach me and introduce themselves so far. But I 
> don't
>
> meet as many people then. If I'm lucky, the individual will take me around
> and introduce me to some of their friends. I wonder if nonverbal
> communication would help. Anyone learned gestures? Has that made a
> difference?
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Sam Hogle
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:54 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
>
> Hi Ashley. I completely agree with what you're saying here. I'm a dog
> user, and because of that, I feel that this topic is even more
> important. For example, it never fails that a friendly dog will guide
> you in to a room and find you a chair, but not make sure it's an empty
> one. lol
> Also, I agree with the whole issue of trying to break the ice with
> people. For the record, it's just a little aukward
> when you're talking to someone without realizing they've walked away. I
> guess that's just something I've gotten used too. However, I agree it's
> good to have tips. After all, if you're at a social event where you're
> supposed to break off in to groups, it would be just a little
> embarrassing to turn to see if you can join a group only to discover
> you're talking to a wall and not a person. Anyway, I guess what I'm
> trying to say here is I am also in the club that could benefit from any
> tips, and I'm sure there are many more of us.
> Sam
> On 10/13/2011 7:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've not been the best at finding people and integrating into a crowd or
>> going to a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once I know people,
> I'm
>> okay. But breaking the ice is hard. I'm a cane user and I'll find a spot
>> to sit but may not know who is around.
>>
>> What are tips for getting to know people and finding who is there? I
>> cannot see familiar faces. If its totally new, I don't recognize voices.
>> Do you just say something to a nearby person "hi, how are you? I am {your
>> name} and its good to be here."
>> How do you deal with slides you cannot see? Do you contact them ahead of
>> time for an alternative format?
>>
>> When I say structured activity, I mean something where people sit down in
>> a room to hear a speaker, have small group discussions, or see an event.
>> Some examples:
>> 1. any club activity on campus
>> 2. a religious activity such as bible study
>> 3. a meeting in the community of similar interest people such as a 
>> writing
>
>> club or toastmasters group.
>> 4. a conference
>>
>> When you have a general crowd, its even harder to know what is happening
>> or find people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or reception.
>>
>> I'm planning to join some groups soon such as a writer's club and perhaps
>> a bible study. I might join toastmasters because I like speaking and want
>> to polish my speaking skills. And I'm heading to homecoming too. So I got
>> to wondering tips and how others feel.
>>
>> Sometimes I don't feel included. People might say Ashley, I'll help you
>> get some food and then proceed to describe it and serve me at the 
>> counter.
>
>> But then after I'm seated they wander off.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 14 02:30:35 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:30:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
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Sam,
That's so common for people to mingle from group to group. I have trouble 
with this setup, where you join a conversation in progress.
So I'm not the only one then! Maybe I'll call my last TVI for advice. She 
gave me some social tips and described body language to me; we keep in 
touch.
So far, I just go to the group and observe. If they speak to me, great, I 
join in but otherwise just listen. That's not really a solution though. I 
cannot see their expressions though and do not know when to say something or 
if they're even interested in talking.
Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Hogle
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings

Hello Greg. I too have had issues with just joining a conversation
already in progress. I've noticed that you can do this depending on the
person. Some don't care, while others tend to like their privacy.
However, for me it's tricky to figure this out since being unable to see
facial expressions is an issue. So, I've allways just tried to play it
safe and stay out of these discussions unless it's something I think
might catch the interest of others.
Sam
On 10/13/2011 10:12 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> Humberto,
> Don't be embarrassed if your eyes aren't looking directly into the other 
> person's eyes.  It's actually more normal for people to look near the eyes 
> than directly into them.  People generally make brief eye contact, lasting 
> at most 3 to 5 seconds before looking somewhere else like the forehead or 
> mouth etc.  Extended eye contact is usually reserved for confrontation or 
> intimacy.  Just directing your gaze to slightly above where you hear 
> someone speaking is good enough.
>
> As far as tips for social situations, I think the most important, but also 
> most difficult, thing is to be confident.  Navigating in busy social 
> situations where you don't know anyone can be really difficult.  People 
> may be hesitant to interact with a blind person because they have never 
> had to do so and they imagine it might be different, and so they are 
> awkward.  If we compound the awkwardness by acting uncomfortable or 
> nervous, we only make the problem worse.  I have found  that when I am 
> confident and not awkward about the fact that I can't see them, people 
> quickly take a clue and relax.
>
> For example, if you find a seat and you want to know who is around you, 
> its perfectly ok to turn and ask, "is anyone sitting to my left?"  It 
> obviously helps if you can hear people moving around to one side or 
> another, so do your best, but sometimes you just have to go for it.  If no 
> one is there, it might be a little embarrassing, but probably not since 
> most likely  no one heard you ask in the first place.
>
> If you know someone is close by, Ashley's suggestion of turning and saying 
> "Hi, I'm Greg" is a good one.  If there is a chance it is someone you have 
> already met you can say, "Hi, I'm Greg.  Have we met?"  Many times just 
> introducing myself has been enough to overcome any awkwardness toward 
> blindness and start a conversation like they might with any other 
> stranger.
>
> Things like joining a conversation already in progress still stump me.  I 
> usually don't do this well and end up feeling like I'm just listening in 
> on someone else's conversation.  If anyone has any tips for that I would 
> be interested.
>
> Hope these are helpful.
>
> Greg
> On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Humberto Avila wrote:
>
>> Hello, but how can I make eye contact with someone if I am blind. I can
>> understand looking in the face, but not looking in the eyes since I might
>> beam my eyes "crooked" or "slightly crooked" at someone as I look into 
>> their
>> eyes, and I think  this is also embarracing.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:10 PM
>> To: shogle at students.kennesaw.edu; National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
>>
>> Sam,
>> One thing that helps me is to act interested. I see too many blind people
>> who have their head down, rock their head, or look down.
>> This shows a disinterested image; it's a body language thing and people
>> won't approach you easily with a hunched over person "staring" at the 
>> floor.
>> You need to sit up straight and have your head forward. I have central
>> vision so its more natural. But even ify your fully blind, having your 
>> head
>> up and making eye contact is a good habit.
>>
>> I often have people approach me and introduce themselves so far. But I 
>> don't
>>
>> meet as many people then. If I'm lucky, the individual will take me 
>> around
>> and introduce me to some of their friends. I wonder if nonverbal
>> communication would help. Anyone learned gestures? Has that made a
>> difference?
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sam Hogle
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:54 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
>>
>> Hi Ashley. I completely agree with what you're saying here. I'm a dog
>> user, and because of that, I feel that this topic is even more
>> important. For example, it never fails that a friendly dog will guide
>> you in to a room and find you a chair, but not make sure it's an empty
>> one. lol
>> Also, I agree with the whole issue of trying to break the ice with
>> people. For the record, it's just a little aukward
>> when you're talking to someone without realizing they've walked away. I
>> guess that's just something I've gotten used too. However, I agree it's
>> good to have tips. After all, if you're at a social event where you're
>> supposed to break off in to groups, it would be just a little
>> embarrassing to turn to see if you can join a group only to discover
>> you're talking to a wall and not a person. Anyway, I guess what I'm
>> trying to say here is I am also in the club that could benefit from any
>> tips, and I'm sure there are many more of us.
>> Sam
>> On 10/13/2011 7:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've not been the best at finding people and integrating into a crowd or
>>> going to a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once I know people,
>> I'm
>>> okay. But breaking the ice is hard. I'm a cane user and I'll find a spot
>>> to sit but may not know who is around.
>>>
>>> What are tips for getting to know people and finding who is there? I
>>> cannot see familiar faces. If its totally new, I don't recognize voices.
>>> Do you just say something to a nearby person "hi, how are you? I am 
>>> {your
>>> name} and its good to be here."
>>> How do you deal with slides you cannot see? Do you contact them ahead of
>>> time for an alternative format?
>>>
>>> When I say structured activity, I mean something where people sit down 
>>> in
>>> a room to hear a speaker, have small group discussions, or see an event.
>>> Some examples:
>>> 1. any club activity on campus
>>> 2. a religious activity such as bible study
>>> 3. a meeting in the community of similar interest people such as a 
>>> writing
>>> club or toastmasters group.
>>> 4. a conference
>>>
>>> When you have a general crowd, its even harder to know what is happening
>>> or find people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or reception.
>>>
>>> I'm planning to join some groups soon such as a writer's club and 
>>> perhaps
>>> a bible study. I might join toastmasters because I like speaking and 
>>> want
>>> to polish my speaking skills. And I'm heading to homecoming too. So I 
>>> got
>>> to wondering tips and how others feel.
>>>
>>> Sometimes I don't feel included. People might say Ashley, I'll help you
>>> get some food and then proceed to describe it and serve me at the 
>>> counter.
>>> But then after I'm seated they wander off.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Fri Oct 14 02:48:46 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:48:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard Or NLS
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Hello chris and all,

 As to this interview being archieved and able to download I too
would also love to hear it myself since I too wasn't able to hear
it myself too! Hopefully, it will be... if it is I will let you
all know of this news asap!

Thanks for your interest in this interview and, I will talk to
you all soon.



Hugs,
amy

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From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:13 PM
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Or NLS

Hi David,

I'm sorry I missed such an awesome interview, and the 
announcement for it until now.  If you've posted it to the 
Archives page for download, I would love to hear it! If not, 
please do!

Chris

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To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] For Those Who Enjoy Reading Books From Bard

Or NLS

Dear david,

This sounds awesome since my sister Rebecca is a booklover
herself too and, I'm sure that she got this message too since she
is on the nabs listserv herself.  Unfortunately, we both won't be
home since we are going on a haunted ghost bus tour in boulder
and, we don't know when we will be home! She would loved to have
the opportunity to hear this live but, can you send this out to
the lists for future recordings and, also for her to download it
herself?

I'm not a booklover myself not as much as she is! Thanks as
always for posting this and, I'm glad that david Andrews let you
posted this awesome announcement here!




Hugs always,
>From amy

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NLS

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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 14 18:40:52 2011
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly y)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:40:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
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References: <F1ECF6C7048C4079A2ADD2DAC1619D5A@OwnerPC>
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Good morning, List,

Use humor, preferebly about yourself or about 
your blindness. It's a good way of disarming and defusing up tight feelings.
:  At 04:40 PM 10/13/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>Hi all, I’ve not been the best at finding 
>people and integrating into a crowd or going to 
>a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once 
>I know people, I’m okay. But breaking the ice 
>is hard. I’m a cane user and I’ll find a 
>spot to sit but may not know who is around. What 
>are tips for getting to know people and finding 
>who is there? I cannot see familiar faces. If 
>its totally new, I don’t recognize voices. Do 
>you just say something to a nearby person “hi, 
>how are you? I am {your name} and its good to be 
>here.” How do you deal with slides you cannot 
>see? Do you contact them ahead of time for an 
>alternative format? When I say structured 
>activity, I mean something where people sit down 
>in a room to hear a speaker, have small group 
>discussions, or see an event. Some examples: 1. 
>any club activity on campus 2. a religious 
>activity such as bible study 3. a meeting in the 
>community of similar interest people such as a 
>writing club or toastmasters group. 4. a 
>conference When you have a general crowd, its 
>even harder to know what is happening or find 
>people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or 
>reception. I’m planning to join some groups 
>soon such as a writer’s club and perhaps a 
>bible study. I might join toastmasters because I 
>like speaking and want to polish my speaking 
>skills. And I’m heading to homecoming too. So 
>I got to wondering tips and how others feel. 
>Sometimes I don’t feel included. People might 
>say Ashley, I’ll help you get some food and 
>then proceed to describe it and serve me at the 
>counter. But then after I’m seated they wander 
>off. Thanks. Ashley 
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Oct 14 19:21:02 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:21:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] socializing tips in crowds and meetings
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	<7.0.1.0.2.20111014113834.01ccccb0@earthlink.net>
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That's good advice!
I remember a lady, (she's a motivational speaker,) that went to the
pharmacy, to get her perscription filled.
She told the casheer, that she was blind, and she said, "Oh, you know
sign language?"
It goes to show how some people are ignorant about blindness.
She tells that story, all the time.
She's from Iowa, and some of you may know her.
Joan Brock.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/14/11, Carly  y <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Good morning, List,
>
> Use humor, preferebly about yourself or about
> your blindness. It's a good way of disarming and defusing up tight feelings.
> :  At 04:40 PM 10/13/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>Hi all, I’ve not been the best at finding
>>people and integrating into a crowd or going to
>>a structured event and feeling comfortable. Once
>>I know people, I’m okay. But breaking the ice
>>is hard. I’m a cane user and I’ll find a
>>spot to sit but may not know who is around. What
>>are tips for getting to know people and finding
>>who is there? I cannot see familiar faces. If
>>its totally new, I don’t recognize voices. Do
>>you just say something to a nearby person “hi,
>>how are you? I am {your name} and its good to be
>>here.† How do you deal with slides you cannot
>>see? Do you contact them ahead of time for an
>>alternative format? When I say structured
>>activity, I mean something where people sit down
>>in a room to hear a speaker, have small group
>>discussions, or see an event. Some examples: 1.
>>any club activity on campus 2. a religious
>>activity such as bible study 3. a meeting in the
>>community of similar interest people such as a
>>writing club or toastmasters group. 4. a
>>conference When you have a general crowd, its
>>even harder to know what is happening or find
>>people. Examples are at a game or pep rally or
>>reception. I’m planning to join some groups
>>soon such as a writer’s club and perhaps a
>>bible study. I might join toastmasters because I
>>like speaking and want to polish my speaking
>>skills. And I’m heading to homecoming too. So
>>I got to wondering tips and how others feel.
>>Sometimes I don’t feel included. People might
>>say Ashley, I’ll help you get some food and
>>then proceed to describe it and serve me at the
>>counter. But then after I’m seated they wander
>>off. Thanks. Ashley
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get
>>your account info for nabs-l:
>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net
>
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 15 14:00:38 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:00:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my Live Well column
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1318611608.29195.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP91BD88F05177FBAF88EBE6C4E60@phx.gbl>

Hello,

Please read my Live Well blog column at:

http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/10/13/meet-the-blind/

I blog about Meet the Blind Month. Please note that one of the end
paragraphs is missing the beginning section of the first sentence. I'm
not sure what  happened, or why my editor has yet to fix this though
I've asked her to remedy it. This is not how my original is, but
something must have happened when it  was posted to the website. Anyway,
wanted to point this out, and as always, thank you for the support.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan



From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 15:33:40 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:33:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfb-history] FW: Touch the Moon with your fingers on
 Hear and There Audio Magazine
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W22384292F3520655EDE208B2E60@phx.gbl>
References: <COL112-W11CE209ED2C154027C4613B2FC0@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W59A966464E71CE4B5DA001B2E10@phx.gbl>
	<COL112-W22384292F3520655EDE208B2E60@phx.gbl>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dave Ühlman <duhlman at msn.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:27:17 -0400
Subject: [Nfb-history] FW: Touch the Moon with your fingers on Hear
and There Audio Magazine
To:



  Touch the Moon with your fingers with a Touchable Moon Book from
NASA.  We describe the book on Hear and There Audio Magazine.  Details
on how you can get a copy are below.
This is episode 1 of 3 where we describe the book "Getting a Feel for
Lunar Craters". It features tactile diagrams of the lunar surface
designed to educate the blind and visually impaired about the wonders
of Earth’s moon. H&T Correspondent Shawn Klein touches and describes
the graphics as the book’s author Professor David Hurd and I talk
about the science of the moon.  In this episode we describe what the
full moon looks like and we discuss how the moon was formed. We also
give you information on how to order a free copy for
yourself.http://bit.ly/rmVuZQ  How to Get a FREE CopyTo get the Free
NASA Braille textured pic Moon book with audio tour go to this page
http://hearandthere.net/MOONBOOK.aspx________________________
Dave Ühlman
Accessibility Consultant
duhlman at msn.com
website  http://hearandthere.net/default.aspx


If you would like to subscribe to the H&T Podcast, use this link in
your podcatcher or add it to your Favorites feed list.
 http://duhlman.podbean.com/feed
DAVID = Device for the Acquisition and Visualization of Interesting
Data ;)


-- 
Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 15:56:08 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:56:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] updating to latest version of Skype for Windows
Message-ID: <CABpnAxHDw_8Oz1XSjBHh13f64LT0DOY=HYco=mnXuossVMtVRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to update to Skype version 5.5 or whatever the latest
version is. When I go to the help menu and select check for updates, I
click the download button and nothing happens. I'm taken to a page
where the only options I have are "hide button" and cancel button. Can
someone tell me how to download the update? I also tried skype.com,
but couldn't find a link to download the latest version. So if someone
could send me the direct link, that would be great. Thanks!

Chris
-- 
Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"


From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Sat Oct 15 19:42:50 2011
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:42:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my Live Well column
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP91BD88F05177FBAF88EBE6C4E60@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.23.1318611608.29195.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<BLU0-SMTP91BD88F05177FBAF88EBE6C4E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000301cc8b72$9fe0e370$dfa2aa50$@insightbb.com>

Great article! I really enjoyed it and think it would be great to hand out
at MTBM activities. May I use it? 
Thanks,
Melanie 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 10:01 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my Live Well column

Hello,

Please read my Live Well blog column at:

http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/10/13/meet-the-blind/

I blog about Meet the Blind Month. Please note that one of the end
paragraphs is missing the beginning section of the first sentence. I'm not
sure what  happened, or why my editor has yet to fix this though I've asked
her to remedy it. This is not how my original is, but something must have
happened when it  was posted to the website. Anyway, wanted to point this
out, and as always, thank you for the support.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 17 00:16:59 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:16:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and filling out forms
Message-ID: <25321BD4227D461C84AC4E108FB7956B@OwnerPC>

IT seems like searching with online sites has so many forms! I have jaws 12. You see these forms in internship and job searches.
So questions here. Are these accessible? I have jaws 12.
1. I tab to fill out my selections on the form. Jaws says extended select list box. How do I work that? I press enter. Is jaws supposed to then read my selections when down arrowing?
2. What do I do when it says multi select list box? 
Some boxes say you can choose more than one item, but I have had to get sighted help to click on those items.
With jaws I seem to only get one choice selected.
3. In combo boxes, how do I ensure jaws selected my item? Sometimes I have to open the combo box to read it.
Should I press escape before tabbing to the next item?
4. Is there a way to quickly see a list of radio buttons or check boxes on the form? For links and edit boxes you can get a list.

Thanks.

Ashley

From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Oct 17 00:21:12 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:21:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and filling out forms
In-Reply-To: <25321BD4227D461C84AC4E108FB7956B@OwnerPC>
References: <25321BD4227D461C84AC4E108FB7956B@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <auto-000032444342@mailfront3.g2host.com>

When you are focused on the field in question press insert-F1 and 
JAWS will tell you what you can do there.

Dave

At 07:16 PM 10/16/2011, you wrote:
>IT seems like searching with online sites has so many forms! I have 
>jaws 12. You see these forms in internship and job searches.
>So questions here. Are these accessible? I have jaws 12.
>1. I tab to fill out my selections on the form. Jaws says extended 
>select list box. How do I work that? I press enter. Is jaws supposed 
>to then read my selections when down arrowing?
>2. What do I do when it says multi select list box?
>Some boxes say you can choose more than one item, but I have had to 
>get sighted help to click on those items.
>With jaws I seem to only get one choice selected.
>3. In combo boxes, how do I ensure jaws selected my item? Sometimes 
>I have to open the combo box to read it.
>Should I press escape before tabbing to the next item?
>4. Is there a way to quickly see a list of radio buttons or check 
>boxes on the form? For links and edit boxes you can get a list.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Ashley



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 04:33:52 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:33:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and filling out forms
In-Reply-To: <auto-000032444342@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <25321BD4227D461C84AC4E108FB7956B@OwnerPC>
	<auto-000032444342@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDh82xqxVi8cvuDeDKtkG3hghT-OXtZn+jSzG=-P+cObw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ashley,
There is a separate JAWS command for selecting more than one item in a
multi-select or extended-select list box but I don't remember the
command. I think it's shift-F8? Someone with JAWS savvy please
respond. As for combo boxes, you can open the list with Alt-Down
Arrow, then arrow to the choice you want to select and press enter.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/16/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> When you are focused on the field in question press insert-F1 and
> JAWS will tell you what you can do there.
>
> Dave
>
> At 07:16 PM 10/16/2011, you wrote:
>>IT seems like searching with online sites has so many forms! I have
>>jaws 12. You see these forms in internship and job searches.
>>So questions here. Are these accessible? I have jaws 12.
>>1. I tab to fill out my selections on the form. Jaws says extended
>>select list box. How do I work that? I press enter. Is jaws supposed
>>to then read my selections when down arrowing?
>>2. What do I do when it says multi select list box?
>>Some boxes say you can choose more than one item, but I have had to
>>get sighted help to click on those items.
>>With jaws I seem to only get one choice selected.
>>3. In combo boxes, how do I ensure jaws selected my item? Sometimes
>>I have to open the combo box to read it.
>>Should I press escape before tabbing to the next item?
>>4. Is there a way to quickly see a list of radio buttons or check
>>boxes on the form? For links and edit boxes you can get a list.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Ashley
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 17 16:30:27 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:30:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and filling out forms
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJDh82xqxVi8cvuDeDKtkG3hghT-OXtZn+jSzG=-P+cObw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25321BD4227D461C84AC4E108FB7956B@OwnerPC><auto-000032444342@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<CALAYQJDh82xqxVi8cvuDeDKtkG3hghT-OXtZn+jSzG=-P+cObw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61061CE7E19A495A84E7633985D51947@OwnerPC>

Arielle,
Glad to know there is a command for multiple selections! Once I find out 
what it is, I can try it. This has been so frustrating. Sighted people click 
a button and check their desired selections.
If someone knows, I'd like to know. I got jaws 12.

I knew the combo box command, I just hope my selection is selected when I go 
to it.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:33 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws and filling out forms

Hi Ashley,
There is a separate JAWS command for selecting more than one item in a
multi-select or extended-select list box but I don't remember the
command. I think it's shift-F8? Someone with JAWS savvy please
respond. As for combo boxes, you can open the list with Alt-Down
Arrow, then arrow to the choice you want to select and press enter.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/16/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> When you are focused on the field in question press insert-F1 and
> JAWS will tell you what you can do there.
>
> Dave
>
> At 07:16 PM 10/16/2011, you wrote:
>>IT seems like searching with online sites has so many forms! I have
>>jaws 12. You see these forms in internship and job searches.
>>So questions here. Are these accessible? I have jaws 12.
>>1. I tab to fill out my selections on the form. Jaws says extended
>>select list box. How do I work that? I press enter. Is jaws supposed
>>to then read my selections when down arrowing?
>>2. What do I do when it says multi select list box?
>>Some boxes say you can choose more than one item, but I have had to
>>get sighted help to click on those items.
>>With jaws I seem to only get one choice selected.
>>3. In combo boxes, how do I ensure jaws selected my item? Sometimes
>>I have to open the combo box to read it.
>>Should I press escape before tabbing to the next item?
>>4. Is there a way to quickly see a list of radio buttons or check
>>boxes on the form? For links and edit boxes you can get a list.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Ashley
>
>
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From nijat1989 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 18:32:37 2011
From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (Nijat Worley)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:32:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT Logic Games Advice
Message-ID: <CAKUobR5u0rq6Xy8de9DiOP5Lw4_Xy215V2XORYMVLLEZDiZo_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Fellow Nabsters,
    I have a couple of questions for those of you that may have taken
the LSAT exams. I am about to start a LSAT Prepcourse, and I will have
to figure out a way to do the logic games on the exam, do any of you
have any advice for me on how to do this? I know a similar question
was asked a couple of weeks a go, but I did not see any responses,
besides Arielle's advice to contact Sean Walen.
   I want to find a way to do the LSAT practice exams that will train
me for the real deal. I called the LSAC office and asked about what
kind of accommodations are allowed for blind students, they were not
very specific. However, I got the impression that we are allowed to
use Braile Writors, and computers if we need them.
   What I really want to know is how to use Excell to create the
tables and graphs to do the exams. Do you have to have graphs, or can
you just use tables alone? If you have to use graphs, then how do you
get JAWS to read them to you.
   Thank you very much in advance for any advise that you may give me.
   At your service,
   Nijat


From nbrav003 at fiu.edu  Tue Oct 18 03:40:43 2011
From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:40:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway
Message-ID: <CAFQAwgTA+HpLUrKELbydecx5E_TuPO66EtLQGz7hiiFPzrc4wg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,

The Florida Association of Blind Students would like to invite you to
participate in its December Student Getaway. It will be an amazing
opportunity to network with fellow blind students in Florida and
develop your leadership skills, all while having a great time!

FABS has a series of events lined up for you which will begin on
Friday, December 16 at 4:00 PM in Tampa Florida. This is just a
preview of what will take place: Workshops on being a better leader, a
trip to Bush Gardens, the drawing of our annual 50-50 raffle
fundraiser, and much, much more!

Participants will stay at the Hampton Inn at a rate of $69.99 a night.
For more information about the event and to RSVP please contact
Nallym Bravo: nbrav003 at fiu.edu
(305) 244-2010.

In order to ensure the hotel prices, we need a head count, so please
RSVP as soon as possible. We would love to have you attend this event
and look forward to seeing you there!

Best,
Nallym Bravo


From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 04:11:32 2011
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:11:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway
In-Reply-To: <CAFQAwgTA+HpLUrKELbydecx5E_TuPO66EtLQGz7hiiFPzrc4wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFQAwgTA+HpLUrKELbydecx5E_TuPO66EtLQGz7hiiFPzrc4wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3B23B14C41F4746886456CFB0477105@HumbertoAvila>

This is just an FYI, I'm not criticizing. But since I live in Washington
state, this does not apply to me. Not all of us live in Florida. Great
opportunity though, but please watch out a little bit more when you post and
to which audience you post.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Nallym Bravo
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:41 PM
To: fabs; nabs-l
Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway

Greetings all,

The Florida Association of Blind Students would like to invite you to
participate in its December Student Getaway. It will be an amazing
opportunity to network with fellow blind students in Florida and
develop your leadership skills, all while having a great time!

FABS has a series of events lined up for you which will begin on
Friday, December 16 at 4:00 PM in Tampa Florida. This is just a
preview of what will take place: Workshops on being a better leader, a
trip to Bush Gardens, the drawing of our annual 50-50 raffle
fundraiser, and much, much more!

Participants will stay at the Hampton Inn at a rate of $69.99 a night.
For more information about the event and to RSVP please contact
Nallym Bravo: nbrav003 at fiu.edu
(305) 244-2010.

In order to ensure the hotel prices, we need a head count, so please
RSVP as soon as possible. We would love to have you attend this event
and look forward to seeing you there!

Best,
Nallym Bravo

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 18 04:41:08 2011
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:41:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway
In-Reply-To: <A3B23B14C41F4746886456CFB0477105@HumbertoAvila>
References: <CAFQAwgTA+HpLUrKELbydecx5E_TuPO66EtLQGz7hiiFPzrc4wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3B23B14C41F4746886456CFB0477105@HumbertoAvila>
Message-ID: <COL118-DS189BB4563A16F67B1D5266BAE50@phx.gbl>

Announcements like this are sent out on the email list all the time. What's 
the big deal? I am sure that he is just simply trying to appeal to as many 
people as possible. Also, you never know when someone might actually be 
interested in travelling across the country to attend one of these events. I 
hear Florida is a nice place to visit in December, and could serve as a nice 
reward after acing all those pesky final exams.

Elizabeth



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:11 AM
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway

> This is just an FYI, I'm not criticizing. But since I live in Washington
> state, this does not apply to me. Not all of us live in Florida. Great
> opportunity though, but please watch out a little bit more when you post 
> and
> to which audience you post.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Nallym Bravo
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:41 PM
> To: fabs; nabs-l
> Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway
>
> Greetings all,
>
> The Florida Association of Blind Students would like to invite you to
> participate in its December Student Getaway. It will be an amazing
> opportunity to network with fellow blind students in Florida and
> develop your leadership skills, all while having a great time!
>
> FABS has a series of events lined up for you which will begin on
> Friday, December 16 at 4:00 PM in Tampa Florida. This is just a
> preview of what will take place: Workshops on being a better leader, a
> trip to Bush Gardens, the drawing of our annual 50-50 raffle
> fundraiser, and much, much more!
>
> Participants will stay at the Hampton Inn at a rate of $69.99 a night.
> For more information about the event and to RSVP please contact
> Nallym Bravo: nbrav003 at fiu.edu
> (305) 244-2010.
>
> In order to ensure the hotel prices, we need a head count, so please
> RSVP as soon as possible. We would love to have you attend this event
> and look forward to seeing you there!
>
> Best,
> Nallym Bravo
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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>
>
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> 


From colorado.students at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 04:44:21 2011
From: colorado.students at gmail.com (colorado students)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:44:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Cabs(colorado asociation of blind students) conference
	call.
Message-ID: <2079D8BE35B54AD9AA1B90B4E1BF76A5@melissa>

    Hi all,
We will be having a CABS conference call Sunday October 23rd.  
beginning at 6:30 p.m. To call in dial
605-475-6006
passcode: 587726
We will be solidifying plans for state convention and solidifying the agenda for our seminar.   All CABS members and
those interested in student activities in Colorado are welcome to
attend.
Blessings
Melissa Green
don't let someone become a priority in your life.....when you are just an option in theirs 

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 18 14:10:59 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:10:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway
In-Reply-To: <A3B23B14C41F4746886456CFB0477105@HumbertoAvila>
References: <CAFQAwgTA+HpLUrKELbydecx5E_TuPO66EtLQGz7hiiFPzrc4wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3B23B14C41F4746886456CFB0477105@HumbertoAvila>
Message-ID: <0E272ECE37EB4F3297069A236AB0752B@OwnerPC>

Well, student division activities are posted all the time.  If it does not 
apply to you you can delete it. That said, I hope it was posted to the fabs 
list as well.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:11 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway

This is just an FYI, I'm not criticizing. But since I live in Washington
state, this does not apply to me. Not all of us live in Florida. Great
opportunity though, but please watch out a little bit more when you post and
to which audience you post.


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Nallym Bravo
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:41 PM
To: fabs; nabs-l
Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway

Greetings all,

The Florida Association of Blind Students would like to invite you to
participate in its December Student Getaway. It will be an amazing
opportunity to network with fellow blind students in Florida and
develop your leadership skills, all while having a great time!

FABS has a series of events lined up for you which will begin on
Friday, December 16 at 4:00 PM in Tampa Florida. This is just a
preview of what will take place: Workshops on being a better leader, a
trip to Bush Gardens, the drawing of our annual 50-50 raffle
fundraiser, and much, much more!

Participants will stay at the Hampton Inn at a rate of $69.99 a night.
For more information about the event and to RSVP please contact
Nallym Bravo: nbrav003 at fiu.edu
(305) 244-2010.

In order to ensure the hotel prices, we need a head count, so please
RSVP as soon as possible. We would love to have you attend this event
and look forward to seeing you there!

Best,
Nallym Bravo

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From agrima at nbp.org  Tue Oct 18 15:36:14 2011
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:36:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Our print/braille Dr Seuss calendar returns!
Message-ID: <008501cc8dab$ac0f2720$042d7560$@org>

2012 Dr Seuss Wall Calendar  
Print/braille edition, $13.99. 
All ages!

It's the return of a perennial NBP favorite!

Throughout his life, Dr. Seuss had two goals - to make us laugh, and to make
us think. He said, "I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells.... And
that enables you to laugh at life's realities." 

Our 2012 print/braille calendar includes twelve scenes and quotes from Dr.
Seuss's books, each providing laughter and insight to help keep you inspired
throughout the year. The calendar features the Cat in the Hat, a Fox in Sox,
Horton, the Grinch, and eight more well-loved scenes from Dr. Seuss's
imagination. 

This wall calendar is 12"x12" (hanging on the wall it's 12" wide and 24"
tall). The braille is included on clear plastic labels that go right over
the print pages. And as always, our calendar features a Special Bonus - a
sheet of sixty full-color stickers of Dr. Seuss's more famous characters to
mark birthdays, appointments, and other important days. 

Order very soon - the calendar always sells out! 

To order or read more about this book online, visit 
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/2012SEUSS.html

To order any books, send payment to:
NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302
Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520.
Or order any of our books online at
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html 




From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 18 18:42:28 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:42:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
Message-ID: <62702A8E51644513ADB9D6D5FF804B86@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I’ve graduated from a university a few years ago. I’d like a job in communications, outreach, or even being an administrative assistant. But not many employers are hiring.

To make a little money, I wanted a part time job. I cannot be a server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall. Those are jobs that are flexible and part time.


So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations. I thought of customer service representative or working the mall at guest services where you sit and answer questions from the public.

So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software very accessible?
For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it’s a matter of finding that job opening.

What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie theater? 
or maybe box office?

I’d be interested in knowing what you all have done. Babysitting is part time, but I don’t have the confidence to watch kids being the sole supervisor of them.

Thanks.

From djdan567 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 20:37:29 2011
From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:37:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway
In-Reply-To: <A3B23B14C41F4746886456CFB0477105@HumbertoAvila>
References: <CAFQAwgTA+HpLUrKELbydecx5E_TuPO66EtLQGz7hiiFPzrc4wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3B23B14C41F4746886456CFB0477105@HumbertoAvila>
Message-ID: <CAHqJse21O5_Fn8iKusMTJeOF5B0y1VG9cQPpj2w7PjCNCr=p=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I love how there's always one person telling people what can be posted
and what can't be posted on here. Last time I check that was the job
of the moterator. Plus, she's letting everyone know that if they're
interested, they can come out. It's not just a Florida thing, hense
why it was posted on this list. Stop trying to run the e-mail list,
and if you're not interested in the event, there's no reason for you
to comment.
If you don't want to see these things, delete them right away or
unsubscribe from the e-mail list. No one is on this list to satisfy
you. I'm just saying. Get mad if you want but this is not your e-mail
list to control.
Now this sounds cool, and if I had the money, I would definitely come
down to Florida and attend. I hope it's a great turn out Nallym!



On 10/18/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is just an FYI, I'm not criticizing. But since I live in Washington
> state, this does not apply to me. Not all of us live in Florida. Great
> opportunity though, but please watch out a little bit more when you post and
> to which audience you post.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Nallym Bravo
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:41 PM
> To: fabs; nabs-l
> Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway
>
> Greetings all,
>
> The Florida Association of Blind Students would like to invite you to
> participate in its December Student Getaway. It will be an amazing
> opportunity to network with fellow blind students in Florida and
> develop your leadership skills, all while having a great time!
>
> FABS has a series of events lined up for you which will begin on
> Friday, December 16 at 4:00 PM in Tampa Florida. This is just a
> preview of what will take place: Workshops on being a better leader, a
> trip to Bush Gardens, the drawing of our annual 50-50 raffle
> fundraiser, and much, much more!
>
> Participants will stay at the Hampton Inn at a rate of $69.99 a night.
> For more information about the event and to RSVP please contact
> Nallym Bravo: nbrav003 at fiu.edu
> (305) 244-2010.
>
> In order to ensure the hotel prices, we need a head count, so please
> RSVP as soon as possible. We would love to have you attend this event
> and look forward to seeing you there!
>
> Best,
> Nallym Bravo
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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>
>
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>


-- 
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Paterson New Jersey
Cell Phone: 973-955-6955
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Aim: RadioDJ246
Skype: radiodj246
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Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic


From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Tue Oct 18 20:51:02 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:51:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway
In-Reply-To: <CAHqJse21O5_Fn8iKusMTJeOF5B0y1VG9cQPpj2w7PjCNCr=p=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFQAwgTA+HpLUrKELbydecx5E_TuPO66EtLQGz7hiiFPzrc4wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3B23B14C41F4746886456CFB0477105@HumbertoAvila>
	<CAHqJse21O5_Fn8iKusMTJeOF5B0y1VG9cQPpj2w7PjCNCr=p=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOuWzmRQiUrogH6M2yCQBFdGr9OvnjXMqa89eQamZoHFSA@mail.gmail.com>

Daniel, it sounds like you'd make a good moderator.
Why not start a list, for blind musicians to network.
I'm just saying, youd do well moderating a list.
As far as Florida goes, I'd probably enjoy myself too.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/18/11, Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I love how there's always one person telling people what can be posted
> and what can't be posted on here. Last time I check that was the job
> of the moterator. Plus, she's letting everyone know that if they're
> interested, they can come out. It's not just a Florida thing, hense
> why it was posted on this list. Stop trying to run the e-mail list,
> and if you're not interested in the event, there's no reason for you
> to comment.
> If you don't want to see these things, delete them right away or
> unsubscribe from the e-mail list. No one is on this list to satisfy
> you. I'm just saying. Get mad if you want but this is not your e-mail
> list to control.
> Now this sounds cool, and if I had the money, I would definitely come
> down to Florida and attend. I hope it's a great turn out Nallym!
>
>
>
> On 10/18/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is just an FYI, I'm not criticizing. But since I live in Washington
>> state, this does not apply to me. Not all of us live in Florida. Great
>> opportunity though, but please watch out a little bit more when you post
>> and
>> to which audience you post.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Nallym Bravo
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:41 PM
>> To: fabs; nabs-l
>> Subject: [nabs-l] FABS December Student Getaway
>>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> The Florida Association of Blind Students would like to invite you to
>> participate in its December Student Getaway. It will be an amazing
>> opportunity to network with fellow blind students in Florida and
>> develop your leadership skills, all while having a great time!
>>
>> FABS has a series of events lined up for you which will begin on
>> Friday, December 16 at 4:00 PM in Tampa Florida. This is just a
>> preview of what will take place: Workshops on being a better leader, a
>> trip to Bush Gardens, the drawing of our annual 50-50 raffle
>> fundraiser, and much, much more!
>>
>> Participants will stay at the Hampton Inn at a rate of $69.99 a night.
>> For more information about the event and to RSVP please contact
>> Nallym Bravo: nbrav003 at fiu.edu
>> (305) 244-2010.
>>
>> In order to ensure the hotel prices, we need a head count, so please
>> RSVP as soon as possible. We would love to have you attend this event
>> and look forward to seeing you there!
>>
>> Best,
>> Nallym Bravo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g
>> mail.com
>>
>>
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
> --
> Daniel C Romero
> Paterson New Jersey
> Cell Phone: 973-955-6955
> MSN messenger/E-mail:
> djdan567 at gmail.com
> Aim: RadioDJ246
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct 19 01:36:45 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:36:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: Our print/braille Dr Seuss calendar
	returns!
Message-ID: <auto-000032786394@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>From: "Tony Grima" <agrima at nbp.org>
>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:28:30 -0400
>Subject: NBP-Announce: Our print/braille Dr Seuss calendar returns!
>
>2012 Dr Seuss Wall Calendar
>Print/braille edition, $13.99.
>All ages!
>
>It's the return of a perennial NBP favorite!
>
>Throughout his life, Dr. Seuss had two goals - to make us laugh, and 
>to make us think. He said, "I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain 
>cells.... And that enables you to laugh at life's realities."
>
>Our 2012 print/braille calendar includes twelve scenes and quotes 
>from Dr. Seuss's books, each providing laughter and insight to help 
>keep you inspired throughout the year. The calendar features the Cat 
>in the Hat, a Fox in Sox, Horton, the Grinch, and eight more 
>well-loved scenes from Dr. Seuss's imagination.
>
>This wall calendar is 12"x12" (hanging on the wall it's 12" wide and 
>24" tall). The braille is included on clear plastic labels that go 
>right over the print pages. And as always, our calendar features a 
>Special Bonus - a sheet of sixty full-color stickers of Dr. Seuss's 
>more famous characters to mark birthdays, appointments, and other 
>important days.
>
>Order very soon - the calendar always sells out!
>
>To order or read more about this book online, visit
><http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/2012SEUSS.html>http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/2012SEUSS.html
>
>To order any books, send payment to:
>NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302
>Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 
>ext 520. Or order any of our books online at
>http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html
>
>_______________________________________________
>Nbp mailing list
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>
>PLEASE DO NOT respond to this message! It is an automated message 
>and your query will not reach us. Send questions to orders at nbp.org .
>
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From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Wed Oct 19 02:04:02 2011
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (Hannah Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:04:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: Our print/braille Dr Seuss
	calendar	returns!
In-Reply-To: <auto-000032786394@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000032786394@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc8e03$5ff09470$1fd1bd50$@suddenlink.net>

Can we get one? I love dr s! he's super awesome :D

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:37 PM
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: Our print/braille Dr Seuss calendar
returns!


>From: "Tony Grima" <agrima at nbp.org>
>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:28:30 -0400
>Subject: NBP-Announce: Our print/braille Dr Seuss calendar returns!
>
>2012 Dr Seuss Wall Calendar
>Print/braille edition, $13.99.
>All ages!
>
>It's the return of a perennial NBP favorite!
>
>Throughout his life, Dr. Seuss had two goals - to make us laugh, and to 
>make us think. He said, "I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain 
>cells.... And that enables you to laugh at life's realities."
>
>Our 2012 print/braille calendar includes twelve scenes and quotes from 
>Dr. Seuss's books, each providing laughter and insight to help keep you 
>inspired throughout the year. The calendar features the Cat in the Hat, 
>a Fox in Sox, Horton, the Grinch, and eight more well-loved scenes from 
>Dr. Seuss's imagination.
>
>This wall calendar is 12"x12" (hanging on the wall it's 12" wide and 
>24" tall). The braille is included on clear plastic labels that go 
>right over the print pages. And as always, our calendar features a 
>Special Bonus - a sheet of sixty full-color stickers of Dr. Seuss's 
>more famous characters to mark birthdays, appointments, and other 
>important days.
>
>Order very soon - the calendar always sells out!
>
>To order or read more about this book online, visit 
><http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/2012SEUSS.html>http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/201
>2SEUSS.html
>
>To order any books, send payment to:
>NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge 
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From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Wed Oct 19 02:09:44 2011
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (Hannah Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:09:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: Our print/braille Dr
	Seuss	calendar	returns!
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Hahahahaha sorry for this message everyone. I meant to forward it lol

-----Original Message-----
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Of Hannah Chadwick
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 7:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: Our print/braille Dr Seuss calendar
returns!

Can we get one? I love dr s! he's super awesome :D

-----Original Message-----
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Of David Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:37 PM
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: Our print/braille Dr Seuss calendar
returns!


>From: "Tony Grima" <agrima at nbp.org>
>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:28:30 -0400
>Subject: NBP-Announce: Our print/braille Dr Seuss calendar returns!
>
>2012 Dr Seuss Wall Calendar
>Print/braille edition, $13.99.
>All ages!
>
>It's the return of a perennial NBP favorite!
>
>Throughout his life, Dr. Seuss had two goals - to make us laugh, and to 
>make us think. He said, "I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain 
>cells.... And that enables you to laugh at life's realities."
>
>Our 2012 print/braille calendar includes twelve scenes and quotes from 
>Dr. Seuss's books, each providing laughter and insight to help keep you 
>inspired throughout the year. The calendar features the Cat in the Hat, 
>a Fox in Sox, Horton, the Grinch, and eight more well-loved scenes from 
>Dr. Seuss's imagination.
>
>This wall calendar is 12"x12" (hanging on the wall it's 12" wide and 
>24" tall). The braille is included on clear plastic labels that go 
>right over the print pages. And as always, our calendar features a 
>Special Bonus - a sheet of sixty full-color stickers of Dr. Seuss's 
>more famous characters to mark birthdays, appointments, and other 
>important days.
>
>Order very soon - the calendar always sells out!
>
>To order or read more about this book online, visit
><http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/2012SEUSS.html>http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/201
>2SEUSS.html
>
>To order any books, send payment to:
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Oct 19 23:29:10 2011
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:29:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Encourage Starbucks to Continue Their Braille Card Series
Message-ID: <23AD8DE0B5F64EBF98B0107C7F52A331@stanford.edu>

I know that this is not huge in the scope of advocacy, yet it says a lot in my opinion.

Starbucks right now does not plan to continue with any other Braille Starbucks cards.  I think that that is a shame.  After all, do they remove their wheelchair accessible tables and raise their lowered counters after October ends?  I think not.  Let's let Starbucks know that we want these cards to continue.  Please pass this info along and act on it; it takes only seconds.

People who want to encourage  Starbucks to continue the Braille cards should call 800 23 latte, or  800 235 2883.  Choose option #2.  I encourage everyone to call; if they hear from enough of us, they will continue.

From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 15:35:33 2011
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:35:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Encourage Starbucks to Continue Their Braille Card
	Series
In-Reply-To: <23AD8DE0B5F64EBF98B0107C7F52A331@stanford.edu>
References: <23AD8DE0B5F64EBF98B0107C7F52A331@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <CABORmNvRV4A+vigXjWM_rReEgx4aBwyP3_-6zncZzneCUfKvQw@mail.gmail.com>

Can you please explain what these braillle cards are? I've not seen them...

Thanks,
Jewel

On 10/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> I know that this is not huge in the scope of advocacy, yet it says a lot in
> my opinion.
>
> Starbucks right now does not plan to continue with any other Braille
> Starbucks cards.  I think that that is a shame.  After all, do they remove
> their wheelchair accessible tables and raise their lowered counters after
> October ends?  I think not.  Let's let Starbucks know that we want these
> cards to continue.  Please pass this info along and act on it; it takes only
> seconds.
>
> People who want to encourage  Starbucks to continue the Braille cards should
> call 800 23 latte, or  800 235 2883.  Choose option #2.  I encourage
> everyone to call; if they hear from enough of us, they will continue.
> _______________________________________________
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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 16:02:19 2011
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:02:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Encourage Starbucks to Continue Their Braille Card
	Series
In-Reply-To: <CABORmNvRV4A+vigXjWM_rReEgx4aBwyP3_-6zncZzneCUfKvQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23AD8DE0B5F64EBF98B0107C7F52A331@stanford.edu>
	<CABORmNvRV4A+vigXjWM_rReEgx4aBwyP3_-6zncZzneCUfKvQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD0KW=YD2gcFsBcbH+D24m9+eshWwM10=FF0uZWVkRomjFw=DQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey I have, they are a fall card with leaves on them and on the top it
says starbucks in grade 1 braille. Basically all.

On 10/20/11, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you please explain what these braillle cards are? I've not seen them...
>
> Thanks,
> Jewel
>
> On 10/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> I know that this is not huge in the scope of advocacy, yet it says a lot
>> in
>> my opinion.
>>
>> Starbucks right now does not plan to continue with any other Braille
>> Starbucks cards.  I think that that is a shame.  After all, do they remove
>> their wheelchair accessible tables and raise their lowered counters after
>> October ends?  I think not.  Let's let Starbucks know that we want these
>> cards to continue.  Please pass this info along and act on it; it takes
>> only
>> seconds.
>>
>> People who want to encourage  Starbucks to continue the Braille cards
>> should
>> call 800 23 latte, or  800 235 2883.  Choose option #2.  I encourage
>> everyone to call; if they hear from enough of us, they will continue.
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 17:25:59 2011
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:25:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Encourage Starbucks to Continue Their Braille Card
	Series
In-Reply-To: <CAD0KW=YD2gcFsBcbH+D24m9+eshWwM10=FF0uZWVkRomjFw=DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23AD8DE0B5F64EBF98B0107C7F52A331@stanford.edu>
	<CABORmNvRV4A+vigXjWM_rReEgx4aBwyP3_-6zncZzneCUfKvQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD0KW=YD2gcFsBcbH+D24m9+eshWwM10=FF0uZWVkRomjFw=DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdxeKtiFVzGha6Xgm7OYNQL1u0QQ5_X762DFAMt7an3dgA@mail.gmail.com>

They are gift cards, and the word starbucks is written in grade 1
braille on it. They produced them in honor of Disability Awareness
Month.

Cindy

On 10/20/11, Lea williams <leanicole1988 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey I have, they are a fall card with leaves on them and on the top it
> says starbucks in grade 1 braille. Basically all.
>
> On 10/20/11, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can you please explain what these braillle cards are? I've not seen
>> them...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jewel
>>
>> On 10/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I know that this is not huge in the scope of advocacy, yet it says a lot
>>> in
>>> my opinion.
>>>
>>> Starbucks right now does not plan to continue with any other Braille
>>> Starbucks cards.  I think that that is a shame.  After all, do they
>>> remove
>>> their wheelchair accessible tables and raise their lowered counters after
>>> October ends?  I think not.  Let's let Starbucks know that we want these
>>> cards to continue.  Please pass this info along and act on it; it takes
>>> only
>>> seconds.
>>>
>>> People who want to encourage  Starbucks to continue the Braille cards
>>> should
>>> call 800 23 latte, or  800 235 2883.  Choose option #2.  I encourage
>>> everyone to call; if they hear from enough of us, they will continue.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 20 20:24:29 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:24:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my Live Well column
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1319130005.29073.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1033AA758D7E2CC04440276C4EB0@phx.gbl>

Hello,

Please read my latest Live Well Nebraska.com blog.

http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/10/20/obesity-and-blindness/

This week, I blog about current obesity trends, and how blindness isn't
an excuse making us inactive.

Thank you for the support.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 20:28:34 2011
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:28:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Audio Access FM NLS Presentation Is Finally Ready For
	Download
Message-ID: <3561DACCF5504AA385D8EB0C0BBADD01@AudioShockWave>

Hi Everyone!
Many of you have been asking when our interview with Lou Gutierez of Benefit Media Inc about the production of NLS books would be ready for download.
I am happy to report that it finally is.
I apologize for the long wait, several of you wrote me some rather angry emails in some cases about the fact that it was not available sooner.
Our system for archiving past shows had some serious bugs that needed addressing in order that you could download this interview and other presentations that we do successfully.
I'm happy to report that you can now finally listen to and download the interview.
I want to, before giving you the link, thank Jonathan Matte for his hard work in preparing this interview and for his time and dedication in making sure everything ran smoothly during the presentation.

Now for your link to pull the interview. It's at
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/archives/entertainmentvault

If you have an interest in any of our other shows, visit
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/archives
or check out our web site at
http://www.audioaccessfm.com
Thanks for your patience, and enjoy the presentation!
>From David Dunphy

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 20 21:22:49 2011
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:22:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Audio Access FM NLS Presentation Is Finally Ready
	ForDownload
In-Reply-To: <3561DACCF5504AA385D8EB0C0BBADD01@AudioShockWave>
References: <3561DACCF5504AA385D8EB0C0BBADD01@AudioShockWave>
Message-ID: <COL118-DS124B3A77264CA7E74D8953BAEB0@phx.gbl>

Hello David,

I think it is great that you have been able to resolve the issues surrounded 
one of your more popular requested audio programs. However, I am curious, 
what is the current status of the NABSLink Audio page? The page for 
downloading past recordings still does not appear to be working properly. is 
there anything currently being done to resolve this issue? Any information 
you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 4:28 PM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] The Audio Access FM NLS Presentation Is Finally Ready 
ForDownload

> Hi Everyone!
> Many of you have been asking when our interview with Lou Gutierez of 
> Benefit Media Inc about the production of NLS books would be ready for 
> download.
> I am happy to report that it finally is.
> I apologize for the long wait, several of you wrote me some rather angry 
> emails in some cases about the fact that it was not available sooner.
> Our system for archiving past shows had some serious bugs that needed 
> addressing in order that you could download this interview and other 
> presentations that we do successfully.
> I'm happy to report that you can now finally listen to and download the 
> interview.
> I want to, before giving you the link, thank Jonathan Matte for his hard 
> work in preparing this interview and for his time and dedication in making 
> sure everything ran smoothly during the presentation.
>
> Now for your link to pull the interview. It's at
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com/archives/entertainmentvault
>
> If you have an interest in any of our other shows, visit
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com/archives
> or check out our web site at
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com
> Thanks for your patience, and enjoy the presentation!
> From David Dunphy
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From vpbraille at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 21:46:13 2011
From: vpbraille at gmail.com (Valerie Perry)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:46:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
Message-ID: <CAKiz2Ww9Ff0VYDXJMQZV3ub9WLM5tL3yw6ijV670UjJbc0yPzg@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for feedback or ideas on what might making bathrooms and finding
your assigned seat on an airplane a more independent and
enjoyable experience. Or is this even needed? Thanks, as I have an
interested airline inquiring. Val

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 22:14:32 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:14:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
In-Reply-To: <CAKiz2Ww9Ff0VYDXJMQZV3ub9WLM5tL3yw6ijV670UjJbc0yPzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKiz2Ww9Ff0VYDXJMQZV3ub9WLM5tL3yw6ijV670UjJbc0yPzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBubjkxomXCjo078D8cZDeLdvUPZ1tmeOO12pfZEw5O7g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Val,
Are you looking to learn how blind people find their seats and
bathrooms on their own, or are you looking to see if changes should be
made to the layout of airplane cabins to make it easier? If the
latter, I personally think this is probably a low priority. Most
airplanes have a single aisle and rows are numbered so the blind
person can count rows to find their assigned seat. Usually, bathrooms
are in the very front and the very back. When I go up to the bathroom
I don't even need to use my cane which means the navigation is very
straightforward. Some bigger planes have multiple aisles or rows that
are out of sequence (i.e. skipping directly from row 7 to row 20) but
in these cases it's very easy for the blind person to ask a few
questions and find their seat. I guess maybe putting all the rows in
one aisle would make it a little easier for the blind passengers but I
suspect this would make the plane cabin much longer and harder for the
rest of the passengers to navigate. In other words, I think the
airlines will have much greater concerns in terms of safe, efficient
aircraft design than catering to blind passengers. If funds were to be
spent on this, I'd perhaps recommend giving flight attendants and
airline staff more thorough training about the range of blind
passengers and the fact that some won't need any help while others
will desire more assistance. Or, maybe they could offer blind
passengers who are less experienced with flying a little informational
booklet about how the plane is set up so they can navigate it
independently in the future. These are just my thoughts.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/20/11, Valerie Perry <vpbraille at gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking for feedback or ideas on what might making bathrooms and finding
> your assigned seat on an airplane a more independent and
> enjoyable experience. Or is this even needed? Thanks, as I have an
> interested airline inquiring. Val
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Thu Oct 20 22:20:16 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:20:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
Message-ID: a9c83188-9279-4eb8-8e36-970259b12c9e@samobile.net

No, it's really not a problem. Most of us ask the attendant near the 
door we enter as to which row we'll first encounter than just count our 
way back. Otherwise, we'll ask people in the first row of seats we 
find. Most of the time, seats A, B, and C are on our left as we go down 
and D, E, and F are on our right. As to bathrooms, we know that they're 
either in the back of the plane or at the front of our cabin. If the 
plane is really big, it may be in the middle between two cabins. I 
personally find that the door to the bathroom is a little hard to find 
because it's flush with the wall and there are other compartments like 
closets that could kind of resemble the bathroom door. I think the 
sighted would probably have the same problem except that there's a 
label on the door that they can see. but I find that a little 
exploration is all it takes provided that the airline folks give me the 
time to explore before freaking out.

Respectfully,
Jedi
Original message:
> Looking for feedback or ideas on what might making bathrooms and finding
> your assigned seat on an airplane a more independent and
> enjoyable experience. Or is this even needed? Thanks, as I have an
> interested airline inquiring. Val
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From vpbraille at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 22:36:38 2011
From: vpbraille at gmail.com (Valerie Perry)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:36:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
Message-ID: <CAKiz2WzLZmF6UC2o6yC0Pk7t+3ucgsfRyeTx2ZBMyntgpV=zjQ@mail.gmail.com>

More specifically, the layout of the bathrooms as they are different on
every airline. maybe a braille plaque on the inside of door explaining where
the flush button etc. is? Brailled row and seat numbers, that sort  of
things. Not the redesign of the cabin or rows. Thanks, Va

From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Thu Oct 20 22:53:53 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:53:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
Message-ID: a888b94a-11ff-4969-a9f5-ed3bba0b4618@samobile.net

I think Braille row numbers would be nice, but aren't really necessary 
as just counting the seats may be more efficient than trying to read 
row numbers while quickly making your way down the isles. As to the 
bathroom situation, I don't think we need special info on the layout as 
its pretty obvious that the flush is near the toilet and so on. But if 
you want, you could include labels on the buttons in the bathroom 
themselves just like there are for the sighted. But honestly, it really 
hasn't been a problem.

I'm with arielle on one thing. Most of our accessibility problems stem 
from dealing with airline personnel. They tend to act in strange ways 
when we're flying. I think some updated ADA training would be 
appreciated by all of us. As to the blind, ADA training should include 
relevant laws regarding cane storage (tell them that canes can be 
stored with passengers if done so correctly). Other info should include 
the fact that we do not have to board and deplane separately from other 
passengers, but that it should be an option for guide dog users as some 
prefer the additional time to situate their dogs.

But if accessibility is really where your interests are in terms of how 
blind passengers use airlines, then your time and money are better 
spent on issues of acquiring plane tickets and flight information. We 
need more ways of getting up-to-date flight info that are accessible. 
Mobile apps have helped in this respect, but some of these are also 
inaccessible. As to getting plane tickets, some airlines and travel 
sites are not screen reader friendly. When we get to the airport, we 
find that many airlines are moving toward a kiosk-based check-in system 
that we cannot use; we know that touchscreen machines can be made 
accessible, but it seems that airlines (and the courts) don't see this 
as a priority even though it's becoming a real problem for us. But at 
the same time, airlines are willing to implement accessibility features 
that are either useless, annoying, or completely ridiculous.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> More specifically, the layout of the bathrooms as they are different on
> every airline. maybe a braille plaque on the inside of door explaining where
> the flush button etc. is? Brailled row and seat numbers, that sort  of
> things. Not the redesign of the cabin or rows. Thanks, Va
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From vpbraille at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 00:02:42 2011
From: vpbraille at gmail.com (Valerie Perry)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:02:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
Message-ID: <CAKiz2Wy8VLKPnoaU-CRCBhmXou82qZoT3BHkZRJnQKUDoURs6w@mail.gmail.com>

I brought this subject up with a friend whom is a flight attendant after
flying with my daughter (low vision braille reader) and her experience with
the restrooms. My friend was enthusiastic about bringing it up in her
commitee that she is involved with at the airlines and asked me to help her
with some research. She and I were unaware of the larger fish that are
currently frying in our blind community until recently. Will give this all
some thought. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 00:12:24 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:12:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
In-Reply-To: <CAKiz2Wy8VLKPnoaU-CRCBhmXou82qZoT3BHkZRJnQKUDoURs6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKiz2Wy8VLKPnoaU-CRCBhmXou82qZoT3BHkZRJnQKUDoURs6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAx77z=vyTK+bETGMF=UJGWTo28EhZmoqMVnPxRfqN7eg@mail.gmail.com>

Jedi, good point about the kiosks. I don't use them much myself
because I almost always check in online, but I recognize that might
not be an option for some, especially if you are checking bags. Some
airline websites, such as Frontier, are partially or totally
inaccessible. Southwest implemented a good screen reader interface and
I hope others will follow suit.
I agree, sometimes finding the bathroom door can be a little tricky
but there's really only so far you have to go to look for it and there
are always flight attendants hanging out around there to offer
assistance with finding the door.

On 10/20/11, Valerie Perry <vpbraille at gmail.com> wrote:
> I brought this subject up with a friend whom is a flight attendant after
> flying with my daughter (low vision braille reader) and her experience with
> the restrooms. My friend was enthusiastic about bringing it up in her
> commitee that she is involved with at the airlines and asked me to help her
> with some research. She and I were unaware of the larger fish that are
> currently frying in our blind community until recently. Will give this all
> some thought. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
> _______________________________________________
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Fri Oct 21 00:12:38 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:12:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
In-Reply-To: <CAKiz2Wy8VLKPnoaU-CRCBhmXou82qZoT3BHkZRJnQKUDoURs6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKiz2Wy8VLKPnoaU-CRCBhmXou82qZoT3BHkZRJnQKUDoURs6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO83KOvZB1MLL83pUNr=ry=sDkC2v3aERG-Y6p9VmLLLML2dNw@mail.gmail.com>

Valory:
why don't you reply to the initial thread you start?
When you reply, you always start a new thread with the same subject line.
This is the third one.
You may be new to this list, so I'd like to welcome you.
Just remember, that when you post a topic, and someone else replies,
it will show up in your E-mail, so just reply to the E-mail, instead
of starting a whole new thread.
I hope you enjoy your time here.
Thanks, Joshua

On 10/20/11, Valerie Perry <vpbraille at gmail.com> wrote:
> I brought this subject up with a friend whom is a flight attendant after
> flying with my daughter (low vision braille reader) and her experience with
> the restrooms. My friend was enthusiastic about bringing it up in her
> commitee that she is involved with at the airlines and asked me to help her
> with some research. She and I were unaware of the larger fish that are
> currently frying in our blind community until recently. Will give this all
> some thought. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 21 01:34:43 2011
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:34:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
In-Reply-To: a888b94a-11ff-4969-a9f5-ed3bba0b4618@samobile.net
References: <a888b94a-11ff-4969-a9f5-ed3bba0b4618@samobile.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111020182747.01d9d658@earthlink.net>


Good afternoon, Jedi,

Blind people must habitually, fall back upon a certain ingenuity, 
primarily to investigate the layers of their environments that are 
accessabile  to blind folks. We don't need all that to-do, about 
precisely where said toilett flushers, are located!
How 'bout accessable currency? Perhaps audio captioning? Com'on!
for today,
Car  At 03:53 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>I think Braille row numbers would be nice, but aren't really 
>necessary as just counting the seats may be more efficient than 
>trying to read row numbers while quickly making your way down the 
>isles. As to the bathroom situation, I don't think we need special 
>info on the layout as its pretty obvious that the flush is near the 
>toilet and so on. But if you want, you could include labels on the 
>buttons in the bathroom themselves just like there are for the 
>sighted. But honestly, it really hasn't been a problem.
>
>I'm with arielle on one thing. Most of our accessibility problems 
>stem from dealing with airline personnel. They tend to act in 
>strange ways when we're flying. I think some updated ADA training 
>would be appreciated by all of us. As to the blind, ADA training 
>should include relevant laws regarding cane storage (tell them that 
>canes can be stored with passengers if done so correctly). Other 
>info should include the fact that we do not have to board and 
>deplane separately from other passengers, but that it should be an 
>option for guide dog users as some prefer the additional time to 
>situate their dogs.
>
>But if accessibility is really where your interests are in terms of 
>how blind passengers use airlines, then your time and money are 
>better spent on issues of acquiring plane tickets and flight 
>information. We need more ways of getting up-to-date flight info 
>that are accessible. Mobile apps have helped in this respect, but 
>some of these are also inaccessible. As to getting plane tickets, 
>some airlines and travel sites are not screen reader friendly. When 
>we get to the airport, we find that many airlines are moving toward 
>a kiosk-based check-in system that we cannot use; we know that 
>touchscreen machines can be made accessible, but it seems that 
>airlines (and the courts) don't see this as a priority even though 
>it's becoming a real problem for us. But at the same time, airlines 
>are willing to implement accessibility features that are either 
>useless, annoying, or completely ridiculous.
>
>Respectfully,
>Jedi
>
>Original message:
>>More specifically, the layout of the bathrooms as they are different on
>>every airline. maybe a braille plaque on the inside of door explaining where
>>the flush button etc. is? Brailled row and seat numbers, that sort  of
>>things. Not the redesign of the cabin or rows. Thanks, Va
>>_______________________________________________
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Fri Oct 21 02:24:58 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:24:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The Audio Access FM NLS Presentation Is Finally Ready
	For	Download
In-Reply-To: <3561DACCF5504AA385D8EB0C0BBADD01@AudioShockWave>
References: <3561DACCF5504AA385D8EB0C0BBADD01@AudioShockWave>
Message-ID: <005901cc8f98$a18e4bc0$e4aae340$@comcast.net>

		Dear david,

Thanks as always for posting to the nabs list. I knew that you
would put this out and the other shows archives also on the site
too! I know that you have had some major bugs in the system and,
I'm soooo glad that you were able to get them resolved!

I knew of some of the angry emails that you probably got since I
saw some of them on this list and other nfbnet lists too. I
would've forwarded them to you my dear but, you probably must've
gotten them yourself.

Well, that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you soon.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] The Audio Access FM NLS Presentation Is Finally
Ready For Download

Hi Everyone!
Many of you have been asking when our interview with Lou Gutierez
of Benefit Media Inc about the production of NLS books would be
ready for download.
I am happy to report that it finally is.
I apologize for the long wait, several of you wrote me some
rather angry emails in some cases about the fact that it was not
available sooner.
Our system for archiving past shows had some serious bugs that
needed addressing in order that you could download this interview
and other presentations that we do successfully.
I'm happy to report that you can now finally listen to and
download the interview.
I want to, before giving you the link, thank Jonathan Matte for
his hard work in preparing this interview and for his time and
dedication in making sure everything ran smoothly during the
presentation.

Now for your link to pull the interview. It's at
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/archives/entertainmentvault

If you have an interest in any of our other shows, visit
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/archives
or check out our web site at
http://www.audioaccessfm.com
Thanks for your patience, and enjoy the presentation!
>From David Dunphy
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Fri Oct 21 02:26:56 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:26:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The Audio Access FM NLS Presentation Is Finally
	Ready	ForDownload
In-Reply-To: <COL118-DS124B3A77264CA7E74D8953BAEB0@phx.gbl>
References: <3561DACCF5504AA385D8EB0C0BBADD01@AudioShockWave>
	<COL118-DS124B3A77264CA7E74D8953BAEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005a01cc8f98$e7d097f0$b771c7d0$@comcast.net>

Hello Elizabeth,

We are all aware of the status of the nabslink audio page being
under construction for sometime... and, it's going to be taken
care of. So, just please be patient! It will be up soon and, when
it is david will post it here to the list!

Take care and, I will talk to you soon.


Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Audio Access FM NLS Presentation Is
Finally Ready ForDownload

Hello David,

I think it is great that you have been able to resolve the issues
surrounded 
one of your more popular requested audio programs. However, I am
curious, 
what is the current status of the NABSLink Audio page? The page
for 
downloading past recordings still does not appear to be working
properly. is 
there anything currently being done to resolve this issue? Any
information 
you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 4:28 PM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] The Audio Access FM NLS Presentation Is Finally
Ready 
ForDownload

> Hi Everyone!
> Many of you have been asking when our interview with Lou
Gutierez of 
> Benefit Media Inc about the production of NLS books would be
ready for 
> download.
> I am happy to report that it finally is.
> I apologize for the long wait, several of you wrote me some
rather angry 
> emails in some cases about the fact that it was not available
sooner.
> Our system for archiving past shows had some serious bugs that
needed 
> addressing in order that you could download this interview and
other 
> presentations that we do successfully.
> I'm happy to report that you can now finally listen to and
download the 
> interview.
> I want to, before giving you the link, thank Jonathan Matte for
his hard 
> work in preparing this interview and for his time and
dedication in making 
> sure everything ran smoothly during the presentation.
>
> Now for your link to pull the interview. It's at
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com/archives/entertainmentvault
>
> If you have an interest in any of our other shows, visit
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com/archives
> or check out our web site at
> http://www.audioaccessfm.com
> Thanks for your patience, and enjoy the presentation!
> From David Dunphy
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 03:08:28 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:08:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111020182747.01d9d658@earthlink.net>
References: <a888b94a-11ff-4969-a9f5-ed3bba0b4618@samobile.net>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20111020182747.01d9d658@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDnhL0vE=PPnBsn0UnEYaCd9yyZC+A=Ki7abOumHJZ-YQ@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know there is only one "button" in the bathroom-so
labeling isn't likely to resolve any confusion since you have to find
the Brailled button in the first place!
Best,
Arielle

On 10/20/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon, Jedi,
>
> Blind people must habitually, fall back upon a certain ingenuity,
> primarily to investigate the layers of their environments that are
> accessabile  to blind folks. We don't need all that to-do, about
> precisely where said toilett flushers, are located!
> How 'bout accessable currency? Perhaps audio captioning? Com'on!
> for today,
> Car  At 03:53 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>>I think Braille row numbers would be nice, but aren't really
>>necessary as just counting the seats may be more efficient than
>>trying to read row numbers while quickly making your way down the
>>isles. As to the bathroom situation, I don't think we need special
>>info on the layout as its pretty obvious that the flush is near the
>>toilet and so on. But if you want, you could include labels on the
>>buttons in the bathroom themselves just like there are for the
>>sighted. But honestly, it really hasn't been a problem.
>>
>>I'm with arielle on one thing. Most of our accessibility problems
>>stem from dealing with airline personnel. They tend to act in
>>strange ways when we're flying. I think some updated ADA training
>>would be appreciated by all of us. As to the blind, ADA training
>>should include relevant laws regarding cane storage (tell them that
>>canes can be stored with passengers if done so correctly). Other
>>info should include the fact that we do not have to board and
>>deplane separately from other passengers, but that it should be an
>>option for guide dog users as some prefer the additional time to
>>situate their dogs.
>>
>>But if accessibility is really where your interests are in terms of
>>how blind passengers use airlines, then your time and money are
>>better spent on issues of acquiring plane tickets and flight
>>information. We need more ways of getting up-to-date flight info
>>that are accessible. Mobile apps have helped in this respect, but
>>some of these are also inaccessible. As to getting plane tickets,
>>some airlines and travel sites are not screen reader friendly. When
>>we get to the airport, we find that many airlines are moving toward
>>a kiosk-based check-in system that we cannot use; we know that
>>touchscreen machines can be made accessible, but it seems that
>>airlines (and the courts) don't see this as a priority even though
>>it's becoming a real problem for us. But at the same time, airlines
>>are willing to implement accessibility features that are either
>>useless, annoying, or completely ridiculous.
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>Jedi
>>
>>Original message:
>>>More specifically, the layout of the bathrooms as they are different on
>>>every airline. maybe a braille plaque on the inside of door explaining
>>> where
>>>the flush button etc. is? Brailled row and seat numbers, that sort  of
>>>things. Not the redesign of the cabin or rows. Thanks, Va
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 03:44:47 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:44:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: FW: [Jobs] What every rehab counselor and client
	should know.
In-Reply-To: <AAC3DBAEDE7D434F9CAFD025B8FBBFA304EEA4410E@VA3DIAXVS631.RED001.local>
References: <AAC3DBAEDE7D434F9CAFD025B8FBBFA304EEA4410E@VA3DIAXVS631.RED001.local>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCvSKxaBGE-2uMEqea56_2eaxj2EjrDXkiVQ2BxG=Jevg@mail.gmail.com>

These documents look like they would be good to read up on and give to
your VR counselor if you are ever in a tight spot.
Best,
Arielle

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Rovig, Lorraine" <LRovig at nfb.org>
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:33:15 -0700
Subject: FW: [Jobs] What every rehab counselor and client should know.
To: Scholarships <scholarships at nfb.org>

I can vouch for the fact that the author of this email, Dick Davis,
knows well what he talks about here.  He is currently the number 2
staff person for the NFB training center in Minnesota called
B.L.I.N.D., Inc.
Lorraine Rovig
Assistant, NFB Scholarship Program
________________________________
From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org On Behalf Of Dick Davis
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:10 AM
To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List; Jobs for the Blind
Subject: [Jobs] What every rehab counselor and client should know.

Hi,

Over the last ten years, I've done a lot of training for NFB members
and rehabilitation professionals on the subjects of informed choice
and writing your own rehabilitation plan (IPE).  These four documents
provide key information that will be of benefit for everyone, consumer
and professional.  They contain a little legalese, but are pretty
user-friendly otherwise.  I think if everyone were to read and adhere
to them, there would be much less in the way of disagreements between
consumers and their counselors.

What are they?  Policy Directives (PD's) and Technical Assistance
Circulars (TAC's) interpret the law and regulations for agencies
(referred to as "Designated State Units" or "DSU's") and tell those
agencies how to stay in compliance with them.  Unfortunately, I don't
think many rehabilitation counselors see them.  The only consumers I
know who have seen them got them from me, and hopefully passed them
on.  Thanks to Dr. Schroeder, who made such clear intepretations of
the law and regulations when he was RSA Commissioner.

Dick Davis
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 04:09:52 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:09:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those jobs
sound like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve graduated from a university a few years ago. I’d like a job in
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative assistant. But not
> many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job. I cannot be a server,
> pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall. Those are jobs that are
> flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations. I thought of
> customer service representative or working the mall at guest services where
> you sit and answer questions from the public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software very
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it’s a matter of
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I’d be interested in knowing what you all have done. Babysitting is part
> time, but I don’t have the confidence to watch kids being the sole
> supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 04:15:53 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:15:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] LSAT Logic Games Advice
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Hi Nijat,
Have you tried posting your question to the BlindLaw list on NFBNet?
They should have some suggestions.
I don't know anything about the LSAT, but my understanding is that you
can use Microsoft Excel for your own reference to keep all the parts
of the logic problem organized in your own head. So you should be able
to do this with tables, since you don't actually turn them in on the
test. It's like using scratch paper if you were sighted.
When are you planning to take the exam? I believe that because of
recent litigation, you will now be allowed to use a computer on the
test; this wasn't always the case. If an LSAC official tells you you
can't do this, talk to Scott Labarre or Sean or someone else who is
familiar with the recent cases.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/17/11, Nijat Worley <nijat1989 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings Fellow Nabsters,
>     I have a couple of questions for those of you that may have taken
> the LSAT exams. I am about to start a LSAT Prepcourse, and I will have
> to figure out a way to do the logic games on the exam, do any of you
> have any advice for me on how to do this? I know a similar question
> was asked a couple of weeks a go, but I did not see any responses,
> besides Arielle's advice to contact Sean Walen.
>    I want to find a way to do the LSAT practice exams that will train
> me for the real deal. I called the LSAC office and asked about what
> kind of accommodations are allowed for blind students, they were not
> very specific. However, I got the impression that we are allowed to
> use Braile Writors, and computers if we need them.
>    What I really want to know is how to use Excell to create the
> tables and graphs to do the exams. Do you have to have graphs, or can
> you just use tables alone? If you have to use graphs, then how do you
> get JAWS to read them to you.
>    Thank you very much in advance for any advise that you may give me.
>    At your service,
>    Nijat
>
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Fri Oct 21 04:31:14 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:31:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
Message-ID: 0ba65dc4-4518-4576-9624-66aeb122749b@samobile.net

For sure. but there's really no harm in labeling a button. Why not?

Respectfully Submitted

Original message:
> As far as I know there is only one "button" in the bathroom-so
> labeling isn't likely to resolve any confusion since you have to find
> the Brailled button in the first place!
> Best,
> Arielle

> On 10/20/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:

>> Good afternoon, Jedi,

>> Blind people must habitually, fall back upon a certain ingenuity,
>> primarily to investigate the layers of their environments that are
>> accessabile  to blind folks. We don't need all that to-do, about
>> precisely where said toilett flushers, are located!
>> How 'bout accessable currency? Perhaps audio captioning? Com'on!
>> for today,
>> Car  At 03:53 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>>> I think Braille row numbers would be nice, but aren't really
>>> necessary as just counting the seats may be more efficient than
>>> trying to read row numbers while quickly making your way down the
>>> isles. As to the bathroom situation, I don't think we need special
>>> info on the layout as its pretty obvious that the flush is near the
>>> toilet and so on. But if you want, you could include labels on the
>>> buttons in the bathroom themselves just like there are for the
>>> sighted. But honestly, it really hasn't been a problem.

>>> I'm with arielle on one thing. Most of our accessibility problems
>>> stem from dealing with airline personnel. They tend to act in
>>> strange ways when we're flying. I think some updated ADA training
>>> would be appreciated by all of us. As to the blind, ADA training
>>> should include relevant laws regarding cane storage (tell them that
>>> canes can be stored with passengers if done so correctly). Other
>>> info should include the fact that we do not have to board and
>>> deplane separately from other passengers, but that it should be an
>>> option for guide dog users as some prefer the additional time to
>>> situate their dogs.

>>> But if accessibility is really where your interests are in terms of
>>> how blind passengers use airlines, then your time and money are
>>> better spent on issues of acquiring plane tickets and flight
>>> information. We need more ways of getting up-to-date flight info
>>> that are accessible. Mobile apps have helped in this respect, but
>>> some of these are also inaccessible. As to getting plane tickets,
>>> some airlines and travel sites are not screen reader friendly. When
>>> we get to the airport, we find that many airlines are moving toward
>>> a kiosk-based check-in system that we cannot use; we know that
>>> touchscreen machines can be made accessible, but it seems that
>>> airlines (and the courts) don't see this as a priority even though
>>> it's becoming a real problem for us. But at the same time, airlines
>>> are willing to implement accessibility features that are either
>>> useless, annoying, or completely ridiculous.

>>> Respectfully,
>>> Jedi

>>> Original message:
>>>> More specifically, the layout of the bathrooms as they are different on
>>>> every airline. maybe a braille plaque on the inside of door explaining
>>>> where
>>>> the flush button etc. is? Brailled row and seat numbers, that sort  of
>>>> things. Not the redesign of the cabin or rows. Thanks, Va
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 21 05:01:23 2011
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:01:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
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Hi, Gedi,

         If there is no problem with simply labeling a button what, 
then is the problem with money we can organically identify? A tired, 
argument I've heard out of the Federation is "it's been working, all 
this time."
A button on a toilet of all things is not as important as accessible 
bills or entertainment, is it?
for today,
Car At 09:31 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>For sure. but there's really no harm in labeling a button. Why not?
>
>Respectfully Submitted
>
>Original message:
>>As far as I know there is only one "button" in the bathroom-so
>>labeling isn't likely to resolve any confusion since you have to find
>>the Brailled button in the first place!
>>Best,
>>Arielle
>
>>On 10/20/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>>Good afternoon, Jedi,
>
>>>Blind people must habitually, fall back upon a certain ingenuity,
>>>primarily to investigate the layers of their environments that are
>>>accessabile  to blind folks. We don't need all that to-do, about
>>>precisely where said toilett flushers, are located!
>>>How 'bout accessable currency? Perhaps audio captioning? Com'on!
>>>for today,
>>>Car  At 03:53 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>>>>I think Braille row numbers would be nice, but aren't really
>>>>necessary as just counting the seats may be more efficient than
>>>>trying to read row numbers while quickly making your way down the
>>>>isles. As to the bathroom situation, I don't think we need special
>>>>info on the layout as its pretty obvious that the flush is near the
>>>>toilet and so on. But if you want, you could include labels on the
>>>>buttons in the bathroom themselves just like there are for the
>>>>sighted. But honestly, it really hasn't been a problem.
>
>>>>I'm with arielle on one thing. Most of our accessibility problems
>>>>stem from dealing with airline personnel. They tend to act in
>>>>strange ways when we're flying. I think some updated ADA training
>>>>would be appreciated by all of us. As to the blind, ADA training
>>>>should include relevant laws regarding cane storage (tell them that
>>>>canes can be stored with passengers if done so correctly). Other
>>>>info should include the fact that we do not have to board and
>>>>deplane separately from other passengers, but that it should be an
>>>>option for guide dog users as some prefer the additional time to
>>>>situate their dogs.
>
>>>>But if accessibility is really where your interests are in terms of
>>>>how blind passengers use airlines, then your time and money are
>>>>better spent on issues of acquiring plane tickets and flight
>>>>information. We need more ways of getting up-to-date flight info
>>>>that are accessible. Mobile apps have helped in this respect, but
>>>>some of these are also inaccessible. As to getting plane tickets,
>>>>some airlines and travel sites are not screen reader friendly. When
>>>>we get to the airport, we find that many airlines are moving toward
>>>>a kiosk-based check-in system that we cannot use; we know that
>>>>touchscreen machines can be made accessible, but it seems that
>>>>airlines (and the courts) don't see this as a priority even though
>>>>it's becoming a real problem for us. But at the same time, airlines
>>>>are willing to implement accessibility features that are either
>>>>useless, annoying, or completely ridiculous.
>
>>>>Respectfully,
>>>>Jedi
>
>>>>Original message:
>>>>>More specifically, the layout of the bathrooms as they are different on
>>>>>every airline. maybe a braille plaque on the inside of door explaining
>>>>>where
>>>>>the flush button etc. is? Brailled row and seat numbers, that sort  of
>>>>>things. Not the redesign of the cabin or rows. Thanks, Va
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Fri Oct 21 06:49:56 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 02:49:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind and low vision airline travlers
Message-ID: 78e3d4c0-0c69-41ae-a9fd-a120942c7354@samobile.net

For goodness' sake! I never said that we need labeled toilet flushers, 
only that it could be done if desired. Usually, most individuals would 
look near the toilet for the flusher and presume that a button near the 
toilet would flush it. I could personally care less if the flusher were 
labeled. I'd rather that airlines label exit doors in Braille by adding 
signs to their handles that say "lift and pull out" just like in print 
so that a person who is blind can opperate it without too much 
training. Granted, this kind of labeling is probably not absolutely 
necessary, but it would be helpful.

As to the currency issue, I think you missed the boat on that one. The 
Federation never said that labeling currency was a bad idea or that it 
would never be useful. Instead, it said that not having labeled money 
is not a form of discrimination since discrimination implies that our 
currency is not usable by blind persons which is not true. Most of us 
have techniques that allow us to quickly identify our money with little 
to no assistance from the sighted world; any asistance we do gain from 
the sighted is often quick and painless and doesn't represent a 
considerable hassle to most of us. Though it is true that some persons 
might take advantage of a blind person's inability to actually see the 
numbers on a bill, I'd say the amount of theft and cheating is probably 
about the same as it is for the sighted; clerks have been known to 
accidentally or purposefully shortchange a sighted customer.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:


> Hi, Gedi,

>          If there is no problem with simply labeling a button what,
> then is the problem with money we can organically identify? A tired,
> argument I've heard out of the Federation is "it's been working, all
> this time."
> A button on a toilet of all things is not as important as accessible
> bills or entertainment, is it?
> for today,
> Car At 09:31 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>> For sure. but there's really no harm in labeling a button. Why not?

>> Respectfully Submitted

>> Original message:
>>> As far as I know there is only one "button" in the bathroom-so
>>> labeling isn't likely to resolve any confusion since you have to find
>>> the Brailled button in the first place!
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle

>>> On 10/20/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>> Good afternoon, Jedi,

>>>> Blind people must habitually, fall back upon a certain ingenuity,
>>>> primarily to investigate the layers of their environments that are
>>>> accessabile  to blind folks. We don't need all that to-do, about
>>>> precisely where said toilett flushers, are located!
>>>> How 'bout accessable currency? Perhaps audio captioning? Com'on!
>>>> for today,
>>>> Car  At 03:53 PM 10/20/2011, Jedi wrote:
>>>>> I think Braille row numbers would be nice, but aren't really
>>>>> necessary as just counting the seats may be more efficient than
>>>>> trying to read row numbers while quickly making your way down the
>>>>> isles. As to the bathroom situation, I don't think we need special
>>>>> info on the layout as its pretty obvious that the flush is near the
>>>>> toilet and so on. But if you want, you could include labels on the
>>>>> buttons in the bathroom themselves just like there are for the
>>>>> sighted. But honestly, it really hasn't been a problem.

>>>>> I'm with arielle on one thing. Most of our accessibility problems
>>>>> stem from dealing with airline personnel. They tend to act in
>>>>> strange ways when we're flying. I think some updated ADA training
>>>>> would be appreciated by all of us. As to the blind, ADA training
>>>>> should include relevant laws regarding cane storage (tell them that
>>>>> canes can be stored with passengers if done so correctly). Other
>>>>> info should include the fact that we do not have to board and
>>>>> deplane separately from other passengers, but that it should be an
>>>>> option for guide dog users as some prefer the additional time to
>>>>> situate their dogs.

>>>>> But if accessibility is really where your interests are in terms of
>>>>> how blind passengers use airlines, then your time and money are
>>>>> better spent on issues of acquiring plane tickets and flight
>>>>> information. We need more ways of getting up-to-date flight info
>>>>> that are accessible. Mobile apps have helped in this respect, but
>>>>> some of these are also inaccessible. As to getting plane tickets,
>>>>> some airlines and travel sites are not screen reader friendly. When
>>>>> we get to the airport, we find that many airlines are moving toward
>>>>> a kiosk-based check-in system that we cannot use; we know that
>>>>> touchscreen machines can be made accessible, but it seems that
>>>>> airlines (and the courts) don't see this as a priority even though
>>>>> it's becoming a real problem for us. But at the same time, airlines
>>>>> are willing to implement accessibility features that are either
>>>>> useless, annoying, or completely ridiculous.

>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Jedi

>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> More specifically, the layout of the bathrooms as they are different on
>>>>>> every airline. maybe a braille plaque on the inside of door explaining
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> the flush button etc. is? Brailled row and seat numbers, that sort  of
>>>>>> things. Not the redesign of the cabin or rows. Thanks, Va
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 21 17:07:39 2011
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen Ly)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:07:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Top Dumbest Reasons For Not Teaching Braille
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http://www.monitorserver.org/the-top-dumbest-reasons-for-not-teaching-braille-the-not-time-yet-excuse/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The Top Dumbest Reasons For Not Teaching Braille: The Not-Time-Yet Excuse

The Top Dumbest Reasons For Not Teaching Braille: The Not-Time-Yet Excuse

If your house isn’t burning right now, do you really need smoke detectors? If you have a good income, do you really need savings? If you know that “yes” is the answer to these questions, you already understand the faulty logic behind the Not-Time-Yet excuse for not teaching Braille.

Studies by the Jernigan Institute (Baltimore) link Braille literacy to post graduate degrees, employability and earning over ,000 a year. Since the 1950s, when blind children started being mainstreamed into public school, Braille literacy has been declining. A shortage of qualified Braille instructors is the top reason listed by the National Organization of Parents of Blind Children. Parents, however, are given excuses not reasons. Accepting these excuses can sentence their children to lives of dependence and low achievement.

Most of the kids who should be learning Braille are legally blind or very close to it and have normal intellects. Legal blindness is 20/200 in the best eye with correction or a visual field of 20 degrees or less. People with this degree of visual loss cannot receive drivers’ licenses. Nonetheless, many of them have enough vision to see print. They are, therefore, encouraged and even forced to read print. Large print books and CCTVs (Closed Circuit Televisions) are common remedies for these students.

]]>

But, being able to see print on a page or enlarge twenty times or more on a screen is not the same as being able to read at a level appropriate to the child’s grade and intellect. Many of these kids need to get right on top of the screen or book and need far longer than their peers to complete homework. Some suffer painful headaches. As reading becomes more complicated and homework increases, many visually impaired children fall behind both academically and socially. Even when this happens, parents who ask if it isn’t time for Braille are given the Not-Time-Yet excuse.

“He won’t need Braille for years.”

Yeah, like after he’s graduated and you don’t have to pay for it. Large print, CCTVs and audio books are far cheaper for budget-conscious schools than hiring a qualified Braille instructor. Don’t allow the school to balance its budget at the expense of your child’s future!

Many visually impaired kids have degenerative eye conditions such as Retinitis Pigmentosa (RP). While they may not be totally or even legally blind during their school years, experience shows that most will be unable to read by the time they get into college or out in the working world. Giving them a skill which can improve their independence while they are young is the prudent thing to do. Children pick up many things more easily than adults, and adulthood is not the time to be learning something that should have been part of your basic education.

Relatives and friends of families with blind children can get help and information by visiting the National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC):
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Parents_and_Teachers.asp

Learn more about Braille at:
http://www.braille.org

 

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 21 21:36:49 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:36:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Sales associates show people around the store and you have to see 
merchandise and read labels. There people who walk around looking for 
customers. Like every store has help wanted signs for them and cashiers; we 
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer 
customer/visitor questions; it’s all oral.
-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those jobs
sound like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve graduated from a university a few years ago. I’d like a job in
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative assistant. But 
> not
> many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job. I cannot be a server,
> pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall. Those are jobs that are
> flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations. I thought 
> of
> customer service representative or working the mall at guest services 
> where
> you sit and answer questions from the public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software very
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it’s a matter of
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I’d be interested in knowing what you all have done. Babysitting is part
> time, but I don’t have the confidence to watch kids being the sole
> supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
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From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:16:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The Top Dumbest Reasons For Not Teaching Braille
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 22:25:57 2011
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:25:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
In-Reply-To: <5D20135DAD7848C6AB41C19F0D5224E6@OwnerPC>
References: <62702A8E51644513ADB9D6D5FF804B86@OwnerPC>	<CALAYQJAp4POwTN5GDK=Kzoa+Qe0eiSpO_95KFxGfNst=MdMeZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5D20135DAD7848C6AB41C19F0D5224E6@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <001701cc9040$6844ae60$38ce0b20$@gmail.com>

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store. Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get the quantity
and change and ETC. it is doable. All a blind person has to do is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his purchases. It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the controls. But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC. is all is needed to be a
blind cashier. If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to see
merchandise and read labels. There people who walk around looking for
customers. Like every store has help wanted signs for them and cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've graduated from a university a few years ago. I'd like a job in 
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative assistant. 
> But not many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job. I cannot be a 
> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall. Those are jobs 
> that are flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations. I 
> thought of customer service representative or working the mall at 
> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software very 
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a matter of 
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done. Babysitting is 
> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being the 
> sole supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 21 22:31:46 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:31:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: FW: [Jobs] What every rehab counselor and
	clientshould know.
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCvSKxaBGE-2uMEqea56_2eaxj2EjrDXkiVQ2BxG=Jevg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAC3DBAEDE7D434F9CAFD025B8FBBFA304EEA4410E@VA3DIAXVS631.RED001.local>
	<CALAYQJCvSKxaBGE-2uMEqea56_2eaxj2EjrDXkiVQ2BxG=Jevg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80A49A3C068842F28580F50773BD9793@OwnerPC>

Arielle,
Thanks. Good documents. I agree. They are long but informative, especially 
the one on informed choice.
Informed choice isn't just choosing a center; it extends to any service you 
request at home, selecting a college, and choosing your employment goal. I 
think too many blind people let their vr counselor steer them to a 
particular employment setting or worse look to their vr counselor tell them 
where to look for work.

I liked this section.


The opportunity for the individual to exercise informed choice requires 
special emphasis during the development of the IPE.  Section 102(b)(1)(A) of 
the Act provides the individual with a choice of options for developing the 
IPE.  These include: (1) the individual developing all or part of the IPE; 
or (2) the individual using technical assistance in developing all or part 
of the IPE, including the assistance of the VR counselor employed by the 
State VR agency.   Section 102(b)(2)(B) of the Act requires that the IPE “be 
developed and implemented in a manner that affords eligible individuals the 
opportunity to exercise informed choice in selecting an employment outcome, 
VR services, service providers, and methods for procuring services, 
consistent with subsection (d).”

End exerpt. So you can pick the employment  outcome you wish. Very important 
to keep in mind.
The

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:44 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: FW: [Jobs] What every rehab counselor and 
clientshould know.

These documents look like they would be good to read up on and give to
your VR counselor if you are ever in a tight spot.
Best,
Arielle

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Rovig, Lorraine" <LRovig at nfb.org>
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:33:15 -0700
Subject: FW: [Jobs] What every rehab counselor and client should know.
To: Scholarships <scholarships at nfb.org>

I can vouch for the fact that the author of this email, Dick Davis,
knows well what he talks about here.  He is currently the number 2
staff person for the NFB training center in Minnesota called
B.L.I.N.D., Inc.
Lorraine Rovig
Assistant, NFB Scholarship Program
________________________________
From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org On Behalf Of Dick Davis
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:10 AM
To: Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List; Jobs for the Blind
Subject: [Jobs] What every rehab counselor and client should know.

Hi,

Over the last ten years, I've done a lot of training for NFB members
and rehabilitation professionals on the subjects of informed choice
and writing your own rehabilitation plan (IPE).  These four documents
provide key information that will be of benefit for everyone, consumer
and professional.  They contain a little legalese, but are pretty
user-friendly otherwise.  I think if everyone were to read and adhere
to them, there would be much less in the way of disagreements between
consumers and their counselors.

What are they?  Policy Directives (PD's) and Technical Assistance
Circulars (TAC's) interpret the law and regulations for agencies
(referred to as "Designated State Units" or "DSU's") and tell those
agencies how to stay in compliance with them.  Unfortunately, I don't
think many rehabilitation counselors see them.  The only consumers I
know who have seen them got them from me, and hopefully passed them
on.  Thanks to Dr. Schroeder, who made such clear intepretations of
the law and regulations when he was RSA Commissioner.

Dick Davis






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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 21 22:48:44 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:48:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
In-Reply-To: <001701cc9040$6844ae60$38ce0b20$@gmail.com>
References: <62702A8E51644513ADB9D6D5FF804B86@OwnerPC>	<CALAYQJAp4POwTN5GDK=Kzoa+Qe0eiSpO_95KFxGfNst=MdMeZQ@mail.gmail.com><5D20135DAD7848C6AB41C19F0D5224E6@OwnerPC>
	<001701cc9040$6844ae60$38ce0b20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <955E7E1623A24BCCACAD5CCF3ABCF2CF@OwnerPC>

Ah, no. You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible currency and see 
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store. Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get the quantity
and change and ETC. it is doable. All a blind person has to do is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his purchases. It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the controls. But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC. is all is needed to be a
blind cashier. If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to see
merchandise and read labels. There people who walk around looking for
customers. Like every store has help wanted signs for them and cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've graduated from a university a few years ago. I'd like a job in
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative assistant.
> But not many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job. I cannot be a
> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall. Those are jobs
> that are flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations. I
> thought of customer service representative or working the mall at
> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software very
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a matter of
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done. Babysitting is
> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being the
> sole supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 22:54:49 2011
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:54:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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But some day we will have accessible cashier screens and accessible bills
that they don't have to be in braille, but there will be some way for us to
identify them automatically and independently without having someone sighted
or technology tell us what the bill is. Anyways, why do you have to see a
signature?


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:49 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Ah, no. You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible currency and see
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store. Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get the quantity
and change and ETC. it is doable. All a blind person has to do is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his purchases. It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the controls. But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC. is all is needed to be a
blind cashier. If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to see
merchandise and read labels. There people who walk around looking for
customers. Like every store has help wanted signs for them and cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've graduated from a university a few years ago. I'd like a job in 
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative assistant.
> But not many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job. I cannot be a 
> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall. Those are jobs 
> that are flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations. I 
> thought of customer service representative or working the mall at 
> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software very 
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a matter of 
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done. Babysitting is 
> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being the 
> sole supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 22:57:02 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier before.
It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to be
willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are giving the
right bills. Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers who can
take payments and give change, but we use the honor system because
most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
takes to process each image.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ah, no. You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible currency and see
> the screen.
> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hello.
> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store. Since it
> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get the quantity
> and change and ETC. it is doable. All a blind person has to do is learn the
> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get receipts,
> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his purchases. It
> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there are
> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the controls. But
> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math correctly to be
> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC. is all is needed to be a
> blind cashier. If I am wrong please correct.
>
> Cheers,
> Humberto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to see
> merchandise and read labels. There people who walk around looking for
> customers. Like every store has help wanted signs for them and cashiers; we
> can't do that.
>
> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hi Ashley,
> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those jobs sound
> like they would be totally accessible.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've graduated from a university a few years ago. I'd like a job in
>> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative assistant.
>> But not many employers are hiring.
>>
>> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job. I cannot be a
>> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall. Those are jobs
>> that are flexible and part time.
>>
>>
>> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations. I
>> thought of customer service representative or working the mall at
>> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the public.
>>
>> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software very
>> accessible?
>> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a matter of
>> finding that job opening.
>>
>> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie theater?
>> or maybe box office?
>>
>> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done. Babysitting is
>> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being the
>> sole supervisor of them.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 21 23:03:04 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:03:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Humberto,
Key word is someday. And if you are a blind cashier, you use the honor 
system of people giving you money and you give them change.
You need to see photo IDs and signatures to ensure a legal transaction. 
Remember they ask for an ID and a credit card and/or a signature. If you do 
not sign or forge a signature it is illegal.
A cashier needs to see that they signed something. If
you had a talking cash register, you'd technically be able to process the 
transaction. still there is an honor system.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:54 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

But some day we will have accessible cashier screens and accessible bills
that they don't have to be in braille, but there will be some way for us to
identify them automatically and independently without having someone sighted
or technology tell us what the bill is. Anyways, why do you have to see a
signature?


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:49 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Ah, no. You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible currency and see
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store. Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get the quantity
and change and ETC. it is doable. All a blind person has to do is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his purchases. It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the controls. But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC. is all is needed to be a
blind cashier. If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to see
merchandise and read labels. There people who walk around looking for
customers. Like every store has help wanted signs for them and cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've graduated from a university a few years ago. I'd like a job in
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative assistant.
> But not many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job. I cannot be a
> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall. Those are jobs
> that are flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations. I
> thought of customer service representative or working the mall at
> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software very
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a matter of
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done. Babysitting is
> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being the
> sole supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 21 23:37:45 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:37:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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I wonder if someone blind has done selling tickets for movies or the ice 
arena? Those involve money transaction, but
not all of them. If you take orders on the phone, you just take down a 
credit card number; and those in-person usually do it in twos at the 
counter; you're not alone; so maybe you could ask your colleague to read any 
money you cannot. Some legally blind people can see the money as well. It is 
dark numerals now; when I was growing up, the numerals were smaller and were 
white.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier before.
It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to be
willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are giving the
right bills. Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers who can
take payments and give change, but we use the honor system because
most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
takes to process each image.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ah, no. You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible currency and 
> see
> the screen.
> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hello.
> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store. Since it
> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get the quantity
> and change and ETC. it is doable. All a blind person has to do is learn 
> the
> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get receipts,
> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his purchases. It
> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there are
> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the controls. But
> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math correctly to be
> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC. is all is needed to be 
> a
> blind cashier. If I am wrong please correct.
>
> Cheers,
> Humberto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to see
> merchandise and read labels. There people who walk around looking for
> customers. Like every store has help wanted signs for them and cashiers; 
> we
> can't do that.
>
> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hi Ashley,
> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those jobs sound
> like they would be totally accessible.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've graduated from a university a few years ago. I'd like a job in
>> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative assistant.
>> But not many employers are hiring.
>>
>> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job. I cannot be a
>> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall. Those are jobs
>> that are flexible and part time.
>>
>>
>> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations. I
>> thought of customer service representative or working the mall at
>> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the public.
>>
>> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software very
>> accessible?
>> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a matter of
>> finding that job opening.
>>
>> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie theater?
>> or maybe box office?
>>
>> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done. Babysitting is
>> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being the
>> sole supervisor of them.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From brlsurfer at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 00:07:56 2011
From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:07:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
Message-ID: <4ea20987.886ce00a.52c0.59f1@mx.google.com>

Hi Ashley,
While the signature and credit card are hard to use, you can ask 
someone which bills that they are putting on.  Also, my counselor 
at Blind Inc.  camp had an identifier which told whether it was a 
one-dollar bill, a five-dollar bill, and so on and so forth.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:48:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible 
currency and see
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.  
Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get the 
quantity
and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do 
is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get 
receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his 
purchases.  It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the 
controls.  But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math 
correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is 
needed to be a
blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to see
merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around 
looking for
customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and 
cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those 
jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a 
job in
 communications, outreach, or even being an administrative 
assistant.
 But not many employers are hiring.

 To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
 server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are 
jobs
 that are flexible and part time.


 So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.  
I
 thought of customer service representative or working the mall 
at
 guest services where you sit and answer questions from the 
public.

 So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software 
very
 accessible?
 For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a 
matter of
 finding that job opening.

 What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie 
theater?
 or maybe box office?

 I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.  
Babysitting is
 part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being 
the
 sole supervisor of them.

 Thanks.
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From brlsurfer at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 00:10:37 2011
From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:10:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
Message-ID: <4ea20a28.c3bde00a.6080.7f29@mx.google.com>

I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an 
identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with 
us, as they know our situation.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier 
before.
It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to 
be
willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are 
giving the
right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers 
who can
take payments and give change, but we use the honor system 
because
most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
takes to process each image.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible 
currency and see
 the screen.
 You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Humberto Avila
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Hello.
 I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.  
Since it
 involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get 
the quantity
 and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do 
is learn the
 layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get 
receipts,
 cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his 
purchases.  It
 does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there 
are
 touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the 
controls.  But
 otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math 
correctly to be
 able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is 
needed to be a
 blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

 Cheers,
 Humberto

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Ashley Bramlett
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Sales associates show people around the store and you have to 
see
 merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around 
looking for
 customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and 
cashiers; we
 can't do that.

 I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
 customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Arielle Silverman
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Hi Ashley,
 What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
 I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those 
jobs sound
 like they would be totally accessible.
 Best,
 Arielle

 On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a 
job in
 communications, outreach, or even being an administrative 
assistant.
 But not many employers are hiring.

 To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
 server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are 
jobs
 that are flexible and part time.


 So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.  
I
 thought of customer service representative or working the mall 
at
 guest services where you sit and answer questions from the 
public.

 So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software 
very
 accessible?
 For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a 
matter of
 finding that job opening.

 What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie 
theater?
 or maybe box office?

 I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.  
Babysitting is
 part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being 
the
 sole supervisor of them.

 Thanks.
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Oct 22 00:44:15 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:44:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: An Immersion into JAWS 12 Textbook has been released
Message-ID: <auto-000032556359@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>I'm pleased to announce our latest textbook is ready for purchase and
>immediate download.  An Immersion into JAWS 12 introduces students to the
>new Settings Center of JAWS 12 and explores this powerful screen reader in
>great detail.  From basic configurations and accessing information through
>Frames and the Frames Viewer, this textbook is a complete reference to JAWS
>12.
>
>
>
>For more information, to review the table of contents and to purchase for
>immediate download please visit: http://www.blindtraining.com/shop/jfw12.htm
>
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Oct 22 02:43:15 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:43:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights Documentary
 Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens; October 27
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>
>Rarely in the history of media has a documentary 
>captured the authentic voices of disability 
>leaders as they reframe the debate on the 
>disability rights movement in America. This 
>October 27 premiere of Lives Worth Living 
>coincides with National Disability Employment 
>Awareness Month, and gives “Independent Lens” a 
>whole new meaning as this film recalibrates the 
>focus that chronicles the Independent Living Movement.
>This film is for everyone with – and without - 
>disabilities.  We encourage students to watch 
>and discuss in school; employees to watch (with 
>their Employee Resource Groups); families to 
>experience it with friends.  Blog about it, talk about it.
>Let PBS know this is the kind of authentic programming that is important.
>Lives Worth Living IS the film worth watching!
>
>Lead On.....
>
>Tari
>
>Tari Hartman Squire, CEO
>EIN SOF Communications, Inc.
>"We Mean Business"
>11601 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 500
>Los Angeles, CA 90025
>310-650-0595 - mobile
>310-473-5954 - office
><mailto:Tari at EINSOFcommunications.com>Tari at EINSOFcommunications.com
>
>
>
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT
>Voleine Amilcar, ITVS            415-356-8383 x 
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>
>For downloadable images, visit 
><http://pressroom.pbs.org/>http://pressroom.pbs.org
>
>LIVES WORTH LIVING Premieres on the PBS Series INDEPENDENT LENS
>Thursday, October 27 at 10 PM During
>National Disability Employment Awareness Month
>
>Powerful Documentary Chronicles the History of 
>America’s Disability Rights Movement
>
>While there are over 54 million Americans living 
>with disabilities, Lives Worth Living is the 
>first television history of their decades-long 
>struggle for equal rights. Produced and directed 
>by Eric Neudel, Lives Worth Living is a window 
>into a world inhabited by people with an 
>unwavering determination to live their lives 
>like everyone else, and a look back into a past 
>when millions of Americans lived without access 
>to schools, employment, apartment buildings, and 
>public transportation – a way of life 
>unimaginable today. Lives Worth Living premieres 
>on the Emmy® Award-winning PBS series 
>Independent Lens, on Thursday, October 27, 2011 
>at 10 PM (check local listings) to coincide with 
>National Disability Employment Awareness Month.
>
>Lives Worth Living traces the development of the 
>disability rights movement from its beginning 
>following World War II, when thousands of 
>disabled veterans returned home, through its 
>burgeoning in the 1960s and 1970s, when it began 
>to adopt the tactics of other social movements. 
>Told through interviews with the movement’s 
>pioneers, legislators, and others, Lives Worth 
>Living explores how Americans with a wide 
>variety of disabilities ­ including blind, deaf, 
>physical, intellectual and psychiatric ­ banded 
>together to change public perception and policy. 
>Through demonstrations and legislative battles, 
>the disability rights community finally secured 
>equal civil rights with the 1990 passage and 
>signing into law of the Americans with 
>Disabilities Act, one of the most transformative 
>pieces of civil rights legislation in American history.
>
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>To learn more about the film, and the issues 
>involved, visit the film’s companion website at 
><http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens/. 
>Get detailed information on the film, watch 
>preview clips, read an interview with the 
>filmmaker, and explore the subject in depth with 
>links and resources. The site also features a 
>Talkback section, where viewers can share their ideas and opinions.
>
>
>About the Participants, in Order of Appearance
>Fred Fay, early leader in the 
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_rights_movement>disability 
>rights movement (1944 – 2011)
>Ann Ford, director of the Illinois National Council on Independent Living
>Judy Heumann, leading disability rights 
>activist, Co-Founder of World Institute on Disability
>Judi Chamberlin, Mental Patients Liberation 
>Front, a movement for the rights and dignity of 
>people with mental illness (1944-2010)
>Dr. William Bronston, former staff physician at 
>the notorious Willowbrook State School who was 
>dismissed after agitating for change
>Bob Kafka, established ADAPT of Texas, a 
>disability rights advocacy organization
>Zona Roberts, counselor, UC Berkeley's 
>Physically Disabled Students’ Program and Center 
>for Independent Living, Berkeley; mother of 
>disability rights pioneer Ed Roberts
>Pat Wright, Former Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund
>John Wodatch, Former Chief, Disability Rights 
>Section, Civil Rights Division, U. S. Department of Justice
>Jack Duncan, Former Counsel, U.S. House of Representatives
>Mary Jane Owen, disability rights activist, 
>philosopher, policy expert, and writer
>Marca Bristo, CEO, Access Living of Metropolitan 
>Chicago, former chair of the National Council on 
>Disability, and leader in the disability rights movement
>Michael Winter, Former director, Berkeley Center for Independent Living
>Lex Frieden, Former director, National Council 
>on the Handicapped (now National Council on Disability)
>Dr. I. King Jordan, President Emeritus, Gallaudet University
>Jeff Rosen, alumni leader, Gallaudet University
>Senator Tom Harkin, (D-Iowa), co-author of the ADA
>Bobby Silverstein, Former Chief Counsel, Senate 
>Subcommittee on Disability Policy
>Richard Thornburgh, U.S. Attorney General, 1988-1991
>Tony Coelho, Former Congressman (D-California), 
>House Majority Whip, 1986-1989, author of the ADA
>Justin Dart, leader in the disability rights movement (1930 – 2002)
>
>About the Filmmaker
>Eric Neudel (Producer/Director) has produced, 
>directed, and edited numerous award-winning 
>films for public television. His many credits 
>include Eyes on the Prize, AIDS: Chapter One, 
>LBJ Goes to War, Tet 1968, Steps, After the 
>Crash, The Philippines and The US: In Our Image, 
>Body and Soul, and more. He was a visiting 
>senior critic and lecturer in film at Yale 
>University and served as producer, director, and 
>editor for Harvard University’s Derek Bok Center 
>for Teaching and Learning, and Spectrum Media’s 
>program series on the art and craft of teaching. 
>Neudel was also a photographer and video 
>production consultant, teaching video production 
>to a team working for the Compass Project in 
>Malawi. Photographs from his two years in Malawi 
>were exhibited in the Sandra and Phillip Gordon 
>Gallery at The Boston Arts Academy in October 2007.
>
>He also served as story consultant for Row Hard 
>No Excuses, an award-winning documentary about 
>two middle aged American men who set out to 
>cross the Atlantic in a rowboat. Most recently 
>he served as a photographer in Rwanda for The 
>Boston Globe, where he directed, produced, and 
>edited a companion documentary about the 
>Maranyundo Middle School, which was built on the 
>site of one of the worst concentration camps and killing fields in Rwanda.
>
>
>About Independent Lens
>Independent Lens is an Emmy® Award-winning 
>weekly series airing Thursday nights at 10 PM on 
>PBS. The acclaimed anthology series features 
>documentaries and a limited number of fiction 
>films united by the creative freedom, artistic 
>achievement, and unflinching visions of their 
>independent producers. Independent Lens features 
>unforgettable stories about a unique individual, 
>community or moment in history. Presented by the 
>Independent Television Service (ITVS), the 
>series is supported by interactive companion 
>websites and national publicity and community 
>engagement campaigns.  Further information about 
>the series is available at 
><http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens. 
>Independent Lens is jointly curated by ITVS and 
>PBS; it is funded by the Corporation for Public 
>Broadcasting (CPB), a private corporation funded 
>by the American people, with additional funding 
>provided by PBS and the National Endowment for 
>the Arts.  The series producer is Lois Vossen.
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 22 03:20:10 2011
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:20:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student Activities for NFB Michigan State Convention
Message-ID: <COL118-DS144EB16AA1C292009D610FBAE90@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

 

Are you a high school student, college student, or graduate student who will be attending the NFB Michigan state convention? If so, the Michigan Association of Blind Students would like to invite you to join us for some fun exciting activities that will take place during this convention.

 

The festivities will take place at the Clarion Hotel located at 3600 E. Cork St.,

Kalamazoo MI, 49001 from Friday, November 4, 2011 through Sunday, November 6, 2011.

 

We open up Friday night with registration beginning at 6:45 pm. Membership dues are $5, and our pizza luncheon is an additional $5, making the entire package $10 for the entire weekend. Please note registration for the general convention is separate from the student registration.

 

Our annual Student Seminar will follow registration beginning at 7:00 pm. This fun and informative seminar will focus on ways students can get more involved with our organization. Our featured speaker will be Anil Lewis who will present us with the keys of successful mentorship. Other speakers will include Cindy Bennett, our NABS rep, along with other students within our organization. We will also vote on constitution amendments and hold elections at the end of the meeting. A convention wide social event will take place immediately following this seminar.

 

The fun continues on Saturday with an "All Things Students" pizza luncheon. Drop by the Student Presidential Suite from 12:00 noon to 2:00 pm, grab a slice of pizza, and pull up a chair as we discuss all things students in a casual laid-back atmosphere. Current leaders will be on hand to answer questions and discuss the future of the student division. This event is for students only. Please pay the $5 luncheon fee when registering for the Friday evening seminar.

 

If you have any further questions, need additional information, or would like help finding a roommate for the convention, please feel free to contact me. My email address is lizmohnke at hotmail.com. I look forward to seeing you at our state convention!

 

Elizabeth Mohnke

President, Michigan Association of Blind Students

Email: lizmohnke at hotmail.com

From startrekcafe at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 03:41:06 2011
From: startrekcafe at gmail.com (Marvin Hunkin)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:41:06 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Moodle Accessibility
Message-ID: <4EA23B52.60805@gmail.com>

hi.
using jaws 12.0.1170 and jaws 13.0.241.
and doing a online diploma in website development from 
http://wsi.tafensw.edu.au, and they use http://wwwmoodle.org
which is not very accessible with jaws.
i have e-mailed support at  support at moodle.org about that jaws 12 and 
13, in firefox, does not read some of the content after a while, and 
just says blank.
and it has javascript, or java submenus, and jaws gets stuck on that.
firefox 7.0, was really bad, and after a while had to try internet 
explorer 9.
and it read the content a little better, but a couple of times, got 
stuck on the submenu.
so, maybe if everyone wrote to http://www.moodle.org, might be able to 
get some real progress about this.
has any one else used moodle, with a screen reader, and their 
experiences, good, bad, the ugly.
and at the moment, the lecturers have to rewrite their content, and send 
it to me via e-mail.
so in three months, have only completed three subjects.
which is a slow and timely process.
they also have other online students, face to face, and i have tried to 
ask them, and they said that moodle, is making changes to their 
e-learning platform, but could take a few months.
and when i was able to login.
a lot of broken links, enrollment keys, to login, and a combo box, when 
i was in the right area, no keyboard shortcuts, and some combo box 
items, just said item 3, or what ever.
this is really, really annoying.
so my question is.
for a large institution, how easy is to fix accessibility,  of education 
institutions, to hand create the e-learning pages, and then put 
accessibility into these pages?
and if there are any other more easier and more accessible e-learning 
systems, what are they, and how complex, or simple for a large 
institution, to move their content to this new platform.
any feedback, suggestions, or where i go from here.
want to use the e-learning platform, but a real challenge for a student 
with a dsiaiblity, of mine, bieng blind and using a screen reader.
i did test with nvda, and got similar results in internet explorer 9, 
firefox 7.0.
marvin.


From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 07:11:16 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 01:11:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Student Activities for NFB Michigan State Convention
In-Reply-To: <COL118-DS144EB16AA1C292009D610FBAE90@phx.gbl>
References: <COL118-DS144EB16AA1C292009D610FBAE90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004e01cc9089$cad99c40$608cd4c0$@comcast.net>

Hello Elizabeth,

Thanks for posting this to the nabs/miabs list too... but, imo I
think this is a little late to send out this notice since your
state convention is only in 2 weeks. The same weekend as the nfb
of Colorado state convention in Denver, Colorado this year!

You should've sent out this flyer/notice a few months ago... but,
I do hope that mabs has a good state convention and, student
division events. Cabs has much planned and, I'm sure that the
cabs president will post it here or I will forward it onto this
list.

Thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:20 PM
To: Michigan Students; NFB Michigan; NFB of Kalamazoo Michigan
List
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; List for
NABS State Presidents
Subject: [nabs-l] Student Activities for NFB Michigan State
Convention

Hello All,

 

Are you a high school student, college student, or graduate
student who will be attending the NFB Michigan state convention?
If so, the Michigan Association of Blind Students would like to
invite you to join us for some fun exciting activities that will
take place during this convention.

 

The festivities will take place at the Clarion Hotel located at
3600 E. Cork St.,

Kalamazoo MI, 49001 from Friday, November 4, 2011 through Sunday,
November 6, 2011.

 

We open up Friday night with registration beginning at 6:45 pm.
Membership dues are $5, and our pizza luncheon is an additional
$5, making the entire package $10 for the entire weekend. Please
note registration for the general convention is separate from the
student registration.

 

Our annual Student Seminar will follow registration beginning at
7:00 pm. This fun and informative seminar will focus on ways
students can get more involved with our organization. Our
featured speaker will be Anil Lewis who will present us with the
keys of successful mentorship. Other speakers will include Cindy
Bennett, our NABS rep, along with other students within our
organization. We will also vote on constitution amendments and
hold elections at the end of the meeting. A convention wide
social event will take place immediately following this seminar.

 

The fun continues on Saturday with an "All Things Students" pizza
luncheon. Drop by the Student Presidential Suite from 12:00 noon
to 2:00 pm, grab a slice of pizza, and pull up a chair as we
discuss all things students in a casual laid-back atmosphere.
Current leaders will be on hand to answer questions and discuss
the future of the student division. This event is for students
only. Please pay the $5 luncheon fee when registering for the
Friday evening seminar.

 

If you have any further questions, need additional information,
or would like help finding a roommate for the convention, please
feel free to contact me. My email address is
lizmohnke at hotmail.com. I look forward to seeing you at our state
convention!

 

Elizabeth Mohnke

President, Michigan Association of Blind Students

Email: lizmohnke at hotmail.com
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 15:48:37 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:48:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
In-Reply-To: <4ea20a28.c3bde00a.6080.7f29@mx.google.com>
References: <4ea20a28.c3bde00a.6080.7f29@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A7397703C4624C428659561C336D6E04@OwnerPC>

Vejas,
Yes in NFB activities its different. But when you are dealing with the 
general public in the stores, it’s a different story

-----Original Message----- 
From: vejas
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
us, as they know our situation.
Vejas


----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
before.
It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
be
willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
giving the
right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
who can
take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
because
most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
takes to process each image.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
currency and see
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
the quantity
and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
purchases.  It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
controls.  But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
needed to be a
blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
see
merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
looking for
customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,

I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
job in
communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
assistant.
But not many employers are hiring.

To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
jobs
that are flexible and part time.


So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
I
thought of customer service representative or working the mall
at
guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
public.

So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
very
accessible?
For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
matter of
finding that job opening.

What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
theater?
or maybe box office?

I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
Babysitting is
part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
the
sole supervisor of them.

Thanks.
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From davidb521 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 16:25:05 2011
From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:25:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
In-Reply-To: <A7397703C4624C428659561C336D6E04@OwnerPC>
References: <4ea20a28.c3bde00a.6080.7f29@mx.google.com>
	<A7397703C4624C428659561C336D6E04@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <01a701cc90d7$28a48220$79ed8660$@gmail.com>

Hello.
Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would open up more jobs for blind workers. As for identifying currency, some sort of efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion. The honor system wouldn't be viable in the workplace. 
David Bouchard

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Vejas,
Yes in NFB activities its different. But when you are dealing with the 
general public in the stores, it’s a different story

-----Original Message----- 
From: vejas
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
us, as they know our situation.
Vejas


----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
before.
It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
be
willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
giving the
right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
who can
take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
because
most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
takes to process each image.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
currency and see
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
the quantity
and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
purchases.  It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
controls.  But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
needed to be a
blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
see
merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
looking for
customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,

I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
job in
communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
assistant.
But not many employers are hiring.

To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
jobs
that are flexible and part time.


So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
I
thought of customer service representative or working the mall
at
guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
public.

So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
very
accessible?
For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
matter of
finding that job opening.

What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
theater?
or maybe box office?

I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
Babysitting is
part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
the
sole supervisor of them.

Thanks.
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 16:29:36 2011
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:29:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Hello all. I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an accessible 
cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities. The only problem is 
they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks. So in order for an 
employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the adaptive 
equipment. I can try and find out the name and brand  of the register  if 
anyone is interested.
Hope Paulos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


> Hello.
> Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card 
> processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would open up 
> more jobs for blind workers. As for identifying currency, some sort of 
> efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion. The honor system 
> wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
> David Bouchard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Vejas,
> Yes in NFB activities its different. But when you are dealing with the
> general public in the stores, it’s a different story
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: vejas
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
> identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
> Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
> us, as they know our situation.
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
> before.
> It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
> be
> willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
> giving the
> right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
> who can
> take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
> because
> most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
> Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
> takes to process each image.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
> currency and see
> the screen.
> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hello.
> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
> Since it
> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
> the quantity
> and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
> is learn the
> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
> receipts,
> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
> purchases.  It
> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
> are
> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
> controls.  But
> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
> correctly to be
> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
> needed to be a
> blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.
>
> Cheers,
> Humberto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
> see
> merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
> looking for
> customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
> cashiers; we
> can't do that.
>
> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hi Ashley,
> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
> jobs sound
> like they would be totally accessible.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
> job in
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
> assistant.
> But not many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
> jobs
> that are flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
> I
> thought of customer service representative or working the mall
> at
> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
> public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
> very
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
> matter of
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
> theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
> Babysitting is
> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
> the
> sole supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
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From davidb521 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 16:38:11 2011
From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:38:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so forth. Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the investment would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a device was your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc. Rehab agency would purchase it.
David

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello all. I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an accessible 
cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities. The only problem is 
they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks. So in order for an 
employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the adaptive 
equipment. I can try and find out the name and brand  of the register  if 
anyone is interested.
Hope Paulos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


> Hello.
> Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card 
> processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would open up 
> more jobs for blind workers. As for identifying currency, some sort of 
> efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion. The honor system 
> wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
> David Bouchard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Vejas,
> Yes in NFB activities its different. But when you are dealing with the
> general public in the stores, it’s a different story
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: vejas
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
> identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
> Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
> us, as they know our situation.
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
> before.
> It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
> be
> willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
> giving the
> right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
> who can
> take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
> because
> most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
> Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
> takes to process each image.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
> currency and see
> the screen.
> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hello.
> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
> Since it
> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
> the quantity
> and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
> is learn the
> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
> receipts,
> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
> purchases.  It
> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
> are
> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
> controls.  But
> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
> correctly to be
> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
> needed to be a
> blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.
>
> Cheers,
> Humberto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
> see
> merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
> looking for
> customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
> cashiers; we
> can't do that.
>
> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hi Ashley,
> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
> jobs sound
> like they would be totally accessible.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
> job in
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
> assistant.
> But not many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
> jobs
> that are flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
> I
> thought of customer service representative or working the mall
> at
> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
> public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
> very
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
> matter of
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
> theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
> Babysitting is
> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
> the
> sole supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
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From colorado.students at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 17:31:17 2011
From: colorado.students at gmail.com (colorado students)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:31:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Student Activities for NFB Michigan State Convention
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Nice job Michigan students.
I think that as long as the notice gets out.  It will reach lots of people.
Even up to the day of the convention.

Blessings
Melissa Green
don't let someone become a priority in your life.....when you are just an 
option in theirs
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Activities for NFB Michigan State Convention


> Hello Elizabeth,
>
> Thanks for posting this to the nabs/miabs list too... but, imo I
> think this is a little late to send out this notice since your
> state convention is only in 2 weeks. The same weekend as the nfb
> of Colorado state convention in Denver, Colorado this year!
>
> You should've sent out this flyer/notice a few months ago... but,
> I do hope that mabs has a good state convention and, student
> division events. Cabs has much planned and, I'm sure that the
> cabs president will post it here or I will forward it onto this
> list.
>
> Thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:20 PM
> To: Michigan Students; NFB Michigan; NFB of Kalamazoo Michigan
> List
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; List for
> NABS State Presidents
> Subject: [nabs-l] Student Activities for NFB Michigan State
> Convention
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> Are you a high school student, college student, or graduate
> student who will be attending the NFB Michigan state convention?
> If so, the Michigan Association of Blind Students would like to
> invite you to join us for some fun exciting activities that will
> take place during this convention.
>
>
>
> The festivities will take place at the Clarion Hotel located at
> 3600 E. Cork St.,
>
> Kalamazoo MI, 49001 from Friday, November 4, 2011 through Sunday,
> November 6, 2011.
>
>
>
> We open up Friday night with registration beginning at 6:45 pm.
> Membership dues are $5, and our pizza luncheon is an additional
> $5, making the entire package $10 for the entire weekend. Please
> note registration for the general convention is separate from the
> student registration.
>
>
>
> Our annual Student Seminar will follow registration beginning at
> 7:00 pm. This fun and informative seminar will focus on ways
> students can get more involved with our organization. Our
> featured speaker will be Anil Lewis who will present us with the
> keys of successful mentorship. Other speakers will include Cindy
> Bennett, our NABS rep, along with other students within our
> organization. We will also vote on constitution amendments and
> hold elections at the end of the meeting. A convention wide
> social event will take place immediately following this seminar.
>
>
>
> The fun continues on Saturday with an "All Things Students" pizza
> luncheon. Drop by the Student Presidential Suite from 12:00 noon
> to 2:00 pm, grab a slice of pizza, and pull up a chair as we
> discuss all things students in a casual laid-back atmosphere.
> Current leaders will be on hand to answer questions and discuss
> the future of the student division. This event is for students
> only. Please pay the $5 luncheon fee when registering for the
> Friday evening seminar.
>
>
>
> If you have any further questions, need additional information,
> or would like help finding a roommate for the convention, please
> feel free to contact me. My email address is
> lizmohnke at hotmail.com. I look forward to seeing you at our state
> convention!
>
>
>
> Elizabeth Mohnke
>
> President, Michigan Association of Blind Students
>
> Email: lizmohnke at hotmail.com
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 17:58:41 2011
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:58:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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 VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message. Will try and find 
out by the end of next week

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


> I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so forth. 
> Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the investment 
> would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a device was 
> your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc. Rehab agency would purchase it.
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Hope Paulos
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hello all. I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an accessible
> cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities. The only problem 
> is
> they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks. So in order for 
> an
> employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the adaptive
> equipment. I can try and find out the name and brand  of the register  if
> anyone is interested.
> Hope Paulos
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
>> Hello.
>> Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
>> processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would open up
>> more jobs for blind workers. As for identifying currency, some sort of
>> efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion. The honor system
>> wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>> Vejas,
>> Yes in NFB activities its different. But when you are dealing with the
>> general public in the stores, it’s a different story
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: vejas
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>> I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
>> identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
>> Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
>> us, as they know our situation.
>> Vejas
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>> I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
>> before.
>> It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
>> be
>> willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
>> giving the
>> right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
>> who can
>> take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
>> because
>> most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
>> Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
>> takes to process each image.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
>> currency and see
>> the screen.
>> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Humberto Avila
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>> Hello.
>> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
>> Since it
>> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
>> the quantity
>> and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
>> is learn the
>> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
>> receipts,
>> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
>> purchases.  It
>> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
>> are
>> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
>> controls.  But
>> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
>> correctly to be
>> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
>> needed to be a
>> blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Humberto
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
>> see
>> merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
>> looking for
>> customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
>> cashiers; we
>> can't do that.
>>
>> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
>> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
>> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
>> jobs sound
>> like they would be totally accessible.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
>> job in
>> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
>> assistant.
>> But not many employers are hiring.
>>
>> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
>> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
>> jobs
>> that are flexible and part time.
>>
>>
>> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
>> I
>> thought of customer service representative or working the mall
>> at
>> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
>> public.
>>
>> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
>> very
>> accessible?
>> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
>> matter of
>> finding that job opening.
>>
>> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
>> theater?
>> or maybe box office?
>>
>> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
>> Babysitting is
>> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
>> the
>> sole supervisor of them.
>>
>> Thanks.
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sat Oct 22 20:43:04 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights
 Documentary	Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens; October 27
Message-ID: b9626ff6-e05b-419d-9ef1-2d8812f5fc58@samobile.net

That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems how Jacobus 
tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement through his 
scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is probably one of 
the strongest in the overall Disability Rights Movement.

And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will be available 
online as I don't have a television?.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:


>> Rarely in the history of media has a documentary
>> captured the authentic voices of disability
>> leaders as they reframe the debate on the
>> disability rights movement in America. This
>> October 27 premiere of Lives Worth Living
>> coincides with National Disability Employment
>> Awareness Month, and gives “Independent Lens” a
>> whole new meaning as this film recalibrates the
>> focus that chronicles the Independent Living Movement.
>> This film is for everyone with – and without -
>> disabilities.  We encourage students to watch
>> and discuss in school; employees to watch (with
>> their Employee Resource Groups); families to
>> experience it with friends.  Blog about it, talk about it.
>> Let PBS know this is the kind of authentic programming that is important.
>> Lives Worth Living IS the film worth watching!

>> Lead On.....

>> Tari

>> Tari Hartman Squire, CEO
>> EIN SOF Communications, Inc.
>> "We Mean Business"
>> 11601 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 500
>> Los Angeles, CA 90025
>> 310-650-0595 - mobile
>> 310-473-5954 - office
>> <mailto:Tari at EINSOFcommunications.com>Tari at EINSOFcommunications.com




>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT
>> Voleine Amilcar, ITVS            415-356-8383 x
>> 244
>> <mailto:voleine_amilcar at itvs.org>voleine_amilcar at itvs.org
>> Mary
>> Lugo
>> 770-623-8190
>> <mailto:lugo at negia.net>lugo at negia.net
>> Cara
>> White
>> 843-881-1480
>> <mailto:cara.white at mac.com>cara.white at mac.com

>> For downloadable images, visit
>> <http://pressroom.pbs.org/>http://pressroom.pbs.org

>> LIVES WORTH LIVING Premieres on the PBS Series INDEPENDENT LENS
>> Thursday, October 27 at 10 PM During
>> National Disability Employment Awareness Month

>> Powerful Documentary Chronicles the History of
>> America’s Disability Rights Movement

>> While there are over 54 million Americans living
>> with disabilities, Lives Worth Living is the
>> first television history of their decades-long
>> struggle for equal rights. Produced and directed
>> by Eric Neudel, Lives Worth Living is a window
>> into a world inhabited by people with an
>> unwavering determination to live their lives
>> like everyone else, and a look back into a past
>> when millions of Americans lived without access
>> to schools, employment, apartment buildings, and
>> public transportation – a way of life
>> unimaginable today. Lives Worth Living premieres
>> on the Emmy® Award-winning PBS series
>> Independent Lens, on Thursday, October 27, 2011
>> at 10 PM (check local listings) to coincide with
>> National Disability Employment Awareness Month.

>> Lives Worth Living traces the development of the
>> disability rights movement from its beginning
>> following World War II, when thousands of
>> disabled veterans returned home, through its
>> burgeoning in the 1960s and 1970s, when it began
>> to adopt the tactics of other social movements.
>> Told through interviews with the movement’s
>> pioneers, legislators, and others, Lives Worth
>> Living explores how Americans with a wide
>> variety of disabilities ­ including blind, deaf,
>> physical, intellectual and psychiatric ­ banded
>> together to change public perception and policy.
>> Through demonstrations and legislative battles,
>> the disability rights community finally secured
>> equal civil rights with the 1990 passage and
>> signing into law of the Americans with
>> Disabilities Act, one of the most transformative
>> pieces of civil rights legislation in American history.


>> []






>> []


>> []


>> To learn more about the film, and the issues
>> involved, visit the film’s companion website at
>> <http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens/.
>> Get detailed information on the film, watch
>> preview clips, read an interview with the
>> filmmaker, and explore the subject in depth with
>> links and resources. The site also features a
>> Talkback section, where viewers can share their ideas and opinions.


>> About the Participants, in Order of Appearance
>> Fred Fay, early leader in the
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_rights_movement>disability
>> rights movement (1944 – 2011)
>> Ann Ford, director of the Illinois National Council on Independent Living
>> Judy Heumann, leading disability rights
>> activist, Co-Founder of World Institute on Disability
>> Judi Chamberlin, Mental Patients Liberation
>> Front, a movement for the rights and dignity of
>> people with mental illness (1944-2010)
>> Dr. William Bronston, former staff physician at
>> the notorious Willowbrook State School who was
>> dismissed after agitating for change
>> Bob Kafka, established ADAPT of Texas, a
>> disability rights advocacy organization
>> Zona Roberts, counselor, UC Berkeley's
>> Physically Disabled Students’ Program and Center
>> for Independent Living, Berkeley; mother of
>> disability rights pioneer Ed Roberts
>> Pat Wright, Former Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund
>> John Wodatch, Former Chief, Disability Rights
>> Section, Civil Rights Division, U. S. Department of Justice
>> Jack Duncan, Former Counsel, U.S. House of Representatives
>> Mary Jane Owen, disability rights activist,
>> philosopher, policy expert, and writer
>> Marca Bristo, CEO, Access Living of Metropolitan
>> Chicago, former chair of the National Council on
>> Disability, and leader in the disability rights movement
>> Michael Winter, Former director, Berkeley Center for Independent Living
>> Lex Frieden, Former director, National Council
>> on the Handicapped (now National Council on Disability)
>> Dr. I. King Jordan, President Emeritus, Gallaudet University
>> Jeff Rosen, alumni leader, Gallaudet University
>> Senator Tom Harkin, (D-Iowa), co-author of the ADA
>> Bobby Silverstein, Former Chief Counsel, Senate
>> Subcommittee on Disability Policy
>> Richard Thornburgh, U.S. Attorney General, 1988-1991
>> Tony Coelho, Former Congressman (D-California),
>> House Majority Whip, 1986-1989, author of the ADA
>> Justin Dart, leader in the disability rights movement (1930 – 2002)

>> About the Filmmaker
>> Eric Neudel (Producer/Director) has produced,
>> directed, and edited numerous award-winning
>> films for public television. His many credits
>> include Eyes on the Prize, AIDS: Chapter One,
>> LBJ Goes to War, Tet 1968, Steps, After the
>> Crash, The Philippines and The US: In Our Image,
>> Body and Soul, and more. He was a visiting
>> senior critic and lecturer in film at Yale
>> University and served as producer, director, and
>> editor for Harvard University’s Derek Bok Center
>> for Teaching and Learning, and Spectrum Media’s
>> program series on the art and craft of teaching.
>> Neudel was also a photographer and video
>> production consultant, teaching video production
>> to a team working for the Compass Project in
>> Malawi. Photographs from his two years in Malawi
>> were exhibited in the Sandra and Phillip Gordon
>> Gallery at The Boston Arts Academy in October 2007.

>> He also served as story consultant for Row Hard
>> No Excuses, an award-winning documentary about
>> two middle aged American men who set out to
>> cross the Atlantic in a rowboat. Most recently
>> he served as a photographer in Rwanda for The
>> Boston Globe, where he directed, produced, and
>> edited a companion documentary about the
>> Maranyundo Middle School, which was built on the
>> site of one of the worst concentration camps and killing fields in Rwanda.


>> About Independent Lens
>> Independent Lens is an Emmy® Award-winning
>> weekly series airing Thursday nights at 10 PM on
>> PBS. The acclaimed anthology series features
>> documentaries and a limited number of fiction
>> films united by the creative freedom, artistic
>> achievement, and unflinching visions of their
>> independent producers. Independent Lens features
>> unforgettable stories about a unique individual,
>> community or moment in history. Presented by the
>> Independent Television Service (ITVS), the
>> series is supported by interactive companion
>> websites and national publicity and community
>> engagement campaigns.  Further information about
>> the series is available at
>> <http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens.
>> Independent Lens is jointly curated by ITVS and
>> PBS; it is funded by the Corporation for Public
>> Broadcasting (CPB), a private corporation funded
>> by the American people, with additional funding
>> provided by PBS and the National Endowment for
>> the Arts.  The series producer is Lois Vossen.

>> ###




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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 03:52:47 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 21:52:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights Documentary
 Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens; October 27
In-Reply-To: <4ea32b1c.c89a2a0a.083c.fffff43eSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <4ea32b1c.c89a2a0a.083c.fffff43eSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJA1LxNXhn--smZATxmyS8zB7pRA8Bu7AxbAUBV5qWXs8g@mail.gmail.com>

I assume the Federation will be discussed when they cover blindness
civil rights.
Arielle

On 10/22/11, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
> That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems how Jacobus
> tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement through his
> scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is probably one of
> the strongest in the overall Disability Rights Movement.
>
> And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will be available
> online as I don't have a television?.
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Original message:
>
>
>>> Rarely in the history of media has a documentary
>>> captured the authentic voices of disability
>>> leaders as they reframe the debate on the
>>> disability rights movement in America. This
>>> October 27 premiere of Lives Worth Living
>>> coincides with National Disability Employment
>>> Awareness Month, and gives “Independent Lens” a
>>> whole new meaning as this film recalibrates the
>>> focus that chronicles the Independent Living Movement.
>>> This film is for everyone with – and without -
>>> disabilities.  We encourage students to watch
>>> and discuss in school; employees to watch (with
>>> their Employee Resource Groups); families to
>>> experience it with friends.  Blog about it, talk about it.
>>> Let PBS know this is the kind of authentic programming that is important.
>>> Lives Worth Living IS the film worth watching!
>
>>> Lead On.....
>
>>> Tari
>
>>> Tari Hartman Squire, CEO
>>> EIN SOF Communications, Inc.
>>> "We Mean Business"
>>> 11601 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 500
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90025
>>> 310-650-0595 - mobile
>>> 310-473-5954 - office
>>> <mailto:Tari at EINSOFcommunications.com>Tari at EINSOFcommunications.com
>
>
>
>
>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT
>>> Voleine Amilcar, ITVS            415-356-8383 x
>>> 244
>>> <mailto:voleine_amilcar at itvs.org>voleine_amilcar at itvs.org
>>> Mary
>>> Lugo
>>> 770-623-8190
>>> <mailto:lugo at negia.net>lugo at negia.net
>>> Cara
>>> White
>>> 843-881-1480
>>> <mailto:cara.white at mac.com>cara.white at mac.com
>
>>> For downloadable images, visit
>>> <http://pressroom.pbs.org/>http://pressroom.pbs.org
>
>>> LIVES WORTH LIVING Premieres on the PBS Series INDEPENDENT LENS
>>> Thursday, October 27 at 10 PM During
>>> National Disability Employment Awareness Month
>
>>> Powerful Documentary Chronicles the History of
>>> America’s Disability Rights Movement
>
>>> While there are over 54 million Americans living
>>> with disabilities, Lives Worth Living is the
>>> first television history of their decades-long
>>> struggle for equal rights. Produced and directed
>>> by Eric Neudel, Lives Worth Living is a window
>>> into a world inhabited by people with an
>>> unwavering determination to live their lives
>>> like everyone else, and a look back into a past
>>> when millions of Americans lived without access
>>> to schools, employment, apartment buildings, and
>>> public transportation – a way of life
>>> unimaginable today. Lives Worth Living premieres
>>> on the Emmy® Award-winning PBS series
>>> Independent Lens, on Thursday, October 27, 2011
>>> at 10 PM (check local listings) to coincide with
>>> National Disability Employment Awareness Month.
>
>>> Lives Worth Living traces the development of the
>>> disability rights movement from its beginning
>>> following World War II, when thousands of
>>> disabled veterans returned home, through its
>>> burgeoning in the 1960s and 1970s, when it began
>>> to adopt the tactics of other social movements.
>>> Told through interviews with the movement’s
>>> pioneers, legislators, and others, Lives Worth
>>> Living explores how Americans with a wide
>>> variety of disabilities ­ including blind, deaf,
>>> physical, intellectual and psychiatric ­ banded
>>> together to change public perception and policy.
>>> Through demonstrations and legislative battles,
>>> the disability rights community finally secured
>>> equal civil rights with the 1990 passage and
>>> signing into law of the Americans with
>>> Disabilities Act, one of the most transformative
>>> pieces of civil rights legislation in American history.
>
>
>>> []
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>> []
>
>
>>> []
>
>
>>> To learn more about the film, and the issues
>>> involved, visit the film’s companion website at
>>> <http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens/.
>>> Get detailed information on the film, watch
>>> preview clips, read an interview with the
>>> filmmaker, and explore the subject in depth with
>>> links and resources. The site also features a
>>> Talkback section, where viewers can share their ideas and opinions.
>
>
>>> About the Participants, in Order of Appearance
>>> Fred Fay, early leader in the
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_rights_movement>disability
>>> rights movement (1944 – 2011)
>>> Ann Ford, director of the Illinois National Council on Independent Living
>>> Judy Heumann, leading disability rights
>>> activist, Co-Founder of World Institute on Disability
>>> Judi Chamberlin, Mental Patients Liberation
>>> Front, a movement for the rights and dignity of
>>> people with mental illness (1944-2010)
>>> Dr. William Bronston, former staff physician at
>>> the notorious Willowbrook State School who was
>>> dismissed after agitating for change
>>> Bob Kafka, established ADAPT of Texas, a
>>> disability rights advocacy organization
>>> Zona Roberts, counselor, UC Berkeley's
>>> Physically Disabled Students’ Program and Center
>>> for Independent Living, Berkeley; mother of
>>> disability rights pioneer Ed Roberts
>>> Pat Wright, Former Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund
>>> John Wodatch, Former Chief, Disability Rights
>>> Section, Civil Rights Division, U. S. Department of Justice
>>> Jack Duncan, Former Counsel, U.S. House of Representatives
>>> Mary Jane Owen, disability rights activist,
>>> philosopher, policy expert, and writer
>>> Marca Bristo, CEO, Access Living of Metropolitan
>>> Chicago, former chair of the National Council on
>>> Disability, and leader in the disability rights movement
>>> Michael Winter, Former director, Berkeley Center for Independent Living
>>> Lex Frieden, Former director, National Council
>>> on the Handicapped (now National Council on Disability)
>>> Dr. I. King Jordan, President Emeritus, Gallaudet University
>>> Jeff Rosen, alumni leader, Gallaudet University
>>> Senator Tom Harkin, (D-Iowa), co-author of the ADA
>>> Bobby Silverstein, Former Chief Counsel, Senate
>>> Subcommittee on Disability Policy
>>> Richard Thornburgh, U.S. Attorney General, 1988-1991
>>> Tony Coelho, Former Congressman (D-California),
>>> House Majority Whip, 1986-1989, author of the ADA
>>> Justin Dart, leader in the disability rights movement (1930 – 2002)
>
>>> About the Filmmaker
>>> Eric Neudel (Producer/Director) has produced,
>>> directed, and edited numerous award-winning
>>> films for public television. His many credits
>>> include Eyes on the Prize, AIDS: Chapter One,
>>> LBJ Goes to War, Tet 1968, Steps, After the
>>> Crash, The Philippines and The US: In Our Image,
>>> Body and Soul, and more. He was a visiting
>>> senior critic and lecturer in film at Yale
>>> University and served as producer, director, and
>>> editor for Harvard University’s Derek Bok Center
>>> for Teaching and Learning, and Spectrum Media’s
>>> program series on the art and craft of teaching.
>>> Neudel was also a photographer and video
>>> production consultant, teaching video production
>>> to a team working for the Compass Project in
>>> Malawi. Photographs from his two years in Malawi
>>> were exhibited in the Sandra and Phillip Gordon
>>> Gallery at The Boston Arts Academy in October 2007.
>
>>> He also served as story consultant for Row Hard
>>> No Excuses, an award-winning documentary about
>>> two middle aged American men who set out to
>>> cross the Atlantic in a rowboat. Most recently
>>> he served as a photographer in Rwanda for The
>>> Boston Globe, where he directed, produced, and
>>> edited a companion documentary about the
>>> Maranyundo Middle School, which was built on the
>>> site of one of the worst concentration camps and killing fields in
>>> Rwanda.
>
>
>>> About Independent Lens
>>> Independent Lens is an Emmy® Award-winning
>>> weekly series airing Thursday nights at 10 PM on
>>> PBS. The acclaimed anthology series features
>>> documentaries and a limited number of fiction
>>> films united by the creative freedom, artistic
>>> achievement, and unflinching visions of their
>>> independent producers. Independent Lens features
>>> unforgettable stories about a unique individual,
>>> community or moment in history. Presented by the
>>> Independent Television Service (ITVS), the
>>> series is supported by interactive companion
>>> websites and national publicity and community
>>> engagement campaigns.  Further information about
>>> the series is available at
>>> <http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens.
>>> Independent Lens is jointly curated by ITVS and
>>> PBS; it is funded by the Corporation for Public
>>> Broadcasting (CPB), a private corporation funded
>>> by the American people, with additional funding
>>> provided by PBS and the National Endowment for
>>> the Arts.  The series producer is Lois Vossen.
>
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From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu  Sun Oct 23 04:11:45 2011
From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 23:11:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights Documentary
 Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens; October 27
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I read the sonopsis, and blindness wasn't mentioned.
Blessings, Joshua

On 10/22/11, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I assume the Federation will be discussed when they cover blindness
> civil rights.
> Arielle
>
> On 10/22/11, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
>> That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems how Jacobus
>> tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement through his
>> scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is probably one of
>> the strongest in the overall Disability Rights Movement.
>>
>> And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will be available
>> online as I don't have a television?.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Jedi
>>
>> Original message:
>>
>>
>>>> Rarely in the history of media has a documentary
>>>> captured the authentic voices of disability
>>>> leaders as they reframe the debate on the
>>>> disability rights movement in America. This
>>>> October 27 premiere of Lives Worth Living
>>>> coincides with National Disability Employment
>>>> Awareness Month, and gives “Independent Lens” a
>>>> whole new meaning as this film recalibrates the
>>>> focus that chronicles the Independent Living Movement.
>>>> This film is for everyone with – and without -
>>>> disabilities.  We encourage students to watch
>>>> and discuss in school; employees to watch (with
>>>> their Employee Resource Groups); families to
>>>> experience it with friends.  Blog about it, talk about it.
>>>> Let PBS know this is the kind of authentic programming that is
>>>> important.
>>>> Lives Worth Living IS the film worth watching!
>>
>>>> Lead On.....
>>
>>>> Tari
>>
>>>> Tari Hartman Squire, CEO
>>>> EIN SOF Communications, Inc.
>>>> "We Mean Business"
>>>> 11601 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 500
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90025
>>>> 310-650-0595 - mobile
>>>> 310-473-5954 - office
>>>> <mailto:Tari at EINSOFcommunications.com>Tari at EINSOFcommunications.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT
>>>> Voleine Amilcar, ITVS            415-356-8383 x
>>>> 244
>>>> <mailto:voleine_amilcar at itvs.org>voleine_amilcar at itvs.org
>>>> Mary
>>>> Lugo
>>>> 770-623-8190
>>>> <mailto:lugo at negia.net>lugo at negia.net
>>>> Cara
>>>> White
>>>> 843-881-1480
>>>> <mailto:cara.white at mac.com>cara.white at mac.com
>>
>>>> For downloadable images, visit
>>>> <http://pressroom.pbs.org/>http://pressroom.pbs.org
>>
>>>> LIVES WORTH LIVING Premieres on the PBS Series INDEPENDENT LENS
>>>> Thursday, October 27 at 10 PM During
>>>> National Disability Employment Awareness Month
>>
>>>> Powerful Documentary Chronicles the History of
>>>> America’s Disability Rights Movement
>>
>>>> While there are over 54 million Americans living
>>>> with disabilities, Lives Worth Living is the
>>>> first television history of their decades-long
>>>> struggle for equal rights. Produced and directed
>>>> by Eric Neudel, Lives Worth Living is a window
>>>> into a world inhabited by people with an
>>>> unwavering determination to live their lives
>>>> like everyone else, and a look back into a past
>>>> when millions of Americans lived without access
>>>> to schools, employment, apartment buildings, and
>>>> public transportation – a way of life
>>>> unimaginable today. Lives Worth Living premieres
>>>> on the Emmy® Award-winning PBS series
>>>> Independent Lens, on Thursday, October 27, 2011
>>>> at 10 PM (check local listings) to coincide with
>>>> National Disability Employment Awareness Month.
>>
>>>> Lives Worth Living traces the development of the
>>>> disability rights movement from its beginning
>>>> following World War II, when thousands of
>>>> disabled veterans returned home, through its
>>>> burgeoning in the 1960s and 1970s, when it began
>>>> to adopt the tactics of other social movements.
>>>> Told through interviews with the movement’s
>>>> pioneers, legislators, and others, Lives Worth
>>>> Living explores how Americans with a wide
>>>> variety of disabilities ­ including blind, deaf,
>>>> physical, intellectual and psychiatric ­ banded
>>>> together to change public perception and policy.
>>>> Through demonstrations and legislative battles,
>>>> the disability rights community finally secured
>>>> equal civil rights with the 1990 passage and
>>>> signing into law of the Americans with
>>>> Disabilities Act, one of the most transformative
>>>> pieces of civil rights legislation in American history.
>>
>>
>>>> []
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> []
>>
>>
>>>> []
>>
>>
>>>> To learn more about the film, and the issues
>>>> involved, visit the film’s companion website at
>>>> <http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens/.
>>>> Get detailed information on the film, watch
>>>> preview clips, read an interview with the
>>>> filmmaker, and explore the subject in depth with
>>>> links and resources. The site also features a
>>>> Talkback section, where viewers can share their ideas and opinions.
>>
>>
>>>> About the Participants, in Order of Appearance
>>>> Fred Fay, early leader in the
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_rights_movement>disability
>>>> rights movement (1944 – 2011)
>>>> Ann Ford, director of the Illinois National Council on Independent
>>>> Living
>>>> Judy Heumann, leading disability rights
>>>> activist, Co-Founder of World Institute on Disability
>>>> Judi Chamberlin, Mental Patients Liberation
>>>> Front, a movement for the rights and dignity of
>>>> people with mental illness (1944-2010)
>>>> Dr. William Bronston, former staff physician at
>>>> the notorious Willowbrook State School who was
>>>> dismissed after agitating for change
>>>> Bob Kafka, established ADAPT of Texas, a
>>>> disability rights advocacy organization
>>>> Zona Roberts, counselor, UC Berkeley's
>>>> Physically Disabled Students’ Program and Center
>>>> for Independent Living, Berkeley; mother of
>>>> disability rights pioneer Ed Roberts
>>>> Pat Wright, Former Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund
>>>> John Wodatch, Former Chief, Disability Rights
>>>> Section, Civil Rights Division, U. S. Department of Justice
>>>> Jack Duncan, Former Counsel, U.S. House of Representatives
>>>> Mary Jane Owen, disability rights activist,
>>>> philosopher, policy expert, and writer
>>>> Marca Bristo, CEO, Access Living of Metropolitan
>>>> Chicago, former chair of the National Council on
>>>> Disability, and leader in the disability rights movement
>>>> Michael Winter, Former director, Berkeley Center for Independent Living
>>>> Lex Frieden, Former director, National Council
>>>> on the Handicapped (now National Council on Disability)
>>>> Dr. I. King Jordan, President Emeritus, Gallaudet University
>>>> Jeff Rosen, alumni leader, Gallaudet University
>>>> Senator Tom Harkin, (D-Iowa), co-author of the ADA
>>>> Bobby Silverstein, Former Chief Counsel, Senate
>>>> Subcommittee on Disability Policy
>>>> Richard Thornburgh, U.S. Attorney General, 1988-1991
>>>> Tony Coelho, Former Congressman (D-California),
>>>> House Majority Whip, 1986-1989, author of the ADA
>>>> Justin Dart, leader in the disability rights movement (1930 – 2002)
>>
>>>> About the Filmmaker
>>>> Eric Neudel (Producer/Director) has produced,
>>>> directed, and edited numerous award-winning
>>>> films for public television. His many credits
>>>> include Eyes on the Prize, AIDS: Chapter One,
>>>> LBJ Goes to War, Tet 1968, Steps, After the
>>>> Crash, The Philippines and The US: In Our Image,
>>>> Body and Soul, and more. He was a visiting
>>>> senior critic and lecturer in film at Yale
>>>> University and served as producer, director, and
>>>> editor for Harvard University’s Derek Bok Center
>>>> for Teaching and Learning, and Spectrum Media’s
>>>> program series on the art and craft of teaching.
>>>> Neudel was also a photographer and video
>>>> production consultant, teaching video production
>>>> to a team working for the Compass Project in
>>>> Malawi. Photographs from his two years in Malawi
>>>> were exhibited in the Sandra and Phillip Gordon
>>>> Gallery at The Boston Arts Academy in October 2007.
>>
>>>> He also served as story consultant for Row Hard
>>>> No Excuses, an award-winning documentary about
>>>> two middle aged American men who set out to
>>>> cross the Atlantic in a rowboat. Most recently
>>>> he served as a photographer in Rwanda for The
>>>> Boston Globe, where he directed, produced, and
>>>> edited a companion documentary about the
>>>> Maranyundo Middle School, which was built on the
>>>> site of one of the worst concentration camps and killing fields in
>>>> Rwanda.
>>
>>
>>>> About Independent Lens
>>>> Independent Lens is an Emmy® Award-winning
>>>> weekly series airing Thursday nights at 10 PM on
>>>> PBS. The acclaimed anthology series features
>>>> documentaries and a limited number of fiction
>>>> films united by the creative freedom, artistic
>>>> achievement, and unflinching visions of their
>>>> independent producers. Independent Lens features
>>>> unforgettable stories about a unique individual,
>>>> community or moment in history. Presented by the
>>>> Independent Television Service (ITVS), the
>>>> series is supported by interactive companion
>>>> websites and national publicity and community
>>>> engagement campaigns.  Further information about
>>>> the series is available at
>>>> <http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens.
>>>> Independent Lens is jointly curated by ITVS and
>>>> PBS; it is funded by the Corporation for Public
>>>> Broadcasting (CPB), a private corporation funded
>>>> by the American people, with additional funding
>>>> provided by PBS and the National Endowment for
>>>> the Arts.  The series producer is Lois Vossen.
>>
>>>> ###
>>
>>
>>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 05:40:07 2011
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:40:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents: What
 Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
In-Reply-To: <CAEwUdjMtCAX-4+wOLxdO0-kCryOS7DNbKrzmdyB1_vWAhuR=jw@mail.gmail.com>
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 NABS Membership Committee Presents:

 What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You

 Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?

 Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to succeed?

 Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and how it
 applies to you?

 Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer session
 about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach your
 educational and employment
 goals. Dr. Edward Bell, (director of the Professional Development and
 Research Institute on Blindness at Louisiana Tech), will join us to
 explain the purpose
 of Voc Rehab and empower you to advocate for your needs.

 To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers you
 need, send your questions to:

 nabs.membership at gmail.com

 by October 20th.

 We look forward to hearing from you.

 see you there.


  The National  Association of Blind Students   membership committee.


From aphelps at BISM.org  Sun Oct 23 13:00:50 2011
From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:00:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents:
 What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
In-Reply-To: <CAEwUdjN4MVNU61_1HDtruLJb8k_VuV7OfFGxMJgHeiu+hOspEg@mail.gmail.com>
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Please include the conference line information

Thanks!  
Amy C. Phelps  
410-737-2642

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:40 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents: What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

 NABS Membership Committee Presents:

 What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You

 Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?

 Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to succeed?

 Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and how it  applies to you?

 Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer session  about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach your  educational and employment  goals. Dr. Edward Bell, (director of the Professional Development and  Research Institute on Blindness at Louisiana Tech), will join us to  explain the purpose  of Voc Rehab and empower you to advocate for your needs.

 To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers you  need, send your questions to:

 nabs.membership at gmail.com

 by October 20th.

 We look forward to hearing from you.

 see you there.


  The National  Association of Blind Students   membership committee.

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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 16:51:06 2011
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:51:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents:
 What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
In-Reply-To: <2F0E613B2BAE494FB8A70DD032F0F2283FB9188D@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>
References: <CAEwUdjMtCAX-4+wOLxdO0-kCryOS7DNbKrzmdyB1_vWAhuR=jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEwUdjN4MVNU61_1HDtruLJb8k_VuV7OfFGxMJgHeiu+hOspEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2F0E613B2BAE494FB8A70DD032F0F2283FB9188D@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>
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Hi Darian:

What is the conference line info? I think you forgot to include that
and I don't happen to have it on hand since I usually just get it from
your email messages.

Thanks,
Kerri

On 10/23/11, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
> Please include the conference line information
>
> Thanks!
> Amy C. Phelps
> 410-737-2642
>
> Follow us: Facebook - BISM Youth Programs
> Twitter @BISM_Youth
>
> Help sponsor our youth program activities Donate
>
>
>
> "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person can do
> the average job in the average place of business and do it as well as his or
> her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James H. Omvig
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Darian Smith
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:40 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents: What
> Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
>
>  NABS Membership Committee Presents:
>
>  What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You
>
>  Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?
>
>  Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to succeed?
>
>  Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and how it
> applies to you?
>
>  Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer session
> about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach your  educational and
> employment  goals. Dr. Edward Bell, (director of the Professional
> Development and  Research Institute on Blindness at Louisiana Tech), will
> join us to  explain the purpose  of Voc Rehab and empower you to advocate
> for your needs.
>
>  To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers you  need,
> send your questions to:
>
>  nabs.membership at gmail.com
>
>  by October 20th.
>
>  We look forward to hearing from you.
>
>  see you there.
>
>
>   The National  Association of Blind Students   membership committee.
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 17:13:09 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:13:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents:
 What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
In-Reply-To: <CAM6GWxxrYFC6jNMvRBDezP8kZd+Dz+bDebwLbHm9ti4xBa-6xQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEwUdjN4MVNU61_1HDtruLJb8k_VuV7OfFGxMJgHeiu+hOspEg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,
I can't speak for Darian but in the past the NABS conference calls have been at
712-775-7100
with passcode 257963.
If Darian doesn't respond before tonight, try that number and passcode.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Darian:
>
> What is the conference line info? I think you forgot to include that
> and I don't happen to have it on hand since I usually just get it from
> your email messages.
>
> Thanks,
> Kerri
>
> On 10/23/11, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
>> Please include the conference line information
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Amy C. Phelps
>> 410-737-2642
>>
>> Follow us: Facebook - BISM Youth Programs
>> Twitter @BISM_Youth
>>
>> Help sponsor our youth program activities Donate
>>
>>
>>
>> "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person can do
>> the average job in the average place of business and do it as well as his
>> or
>> her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James H. Omvig
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>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:40 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents:
>> What
>> Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
>>
>>  NABS Membership Committee Presents:
>>
>>  What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You
>>
>>  Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?
>>
>>  Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to succeed?
>>
>>  Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and how it
>> applies to you?
>>
>>  Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer session
>> about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach your  educational
>> and
>> employment  goals. Dr. Edward Bell, (director of the Professional
>> Development and  Research Institute on Blindness at Louisiana Tech), will
>> join us to  explain the purpose  of Voc Rehab and empower you to advocate
>> for your needs.
>>
>>  To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers you
>> need,
>> send your questions to:
>>
>>  nabs.membership at gmail.com
>>
>>  by October 20th.
>>
>>  We look forward to hearing from you.
>>
>>  see you there.
>>
>>
>>   The National  Association of Blind Students   membership committee.
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 18:49:51 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:49:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights
	DocumentaryPremieres on PBS Series Independent Lens; October 27
Message-ID: <4ea461dc.0557650a.088e.ffffcfba@mx.google.com>

I=20would=20certainly=20hope=20so,=20as=20the=20Federation=20is=20one=20of,=
=20if=20not=20
the=20leader=20in=20the=20disability=20rights=20movement,=20and=20Dr.=20=20=
tenBroek=20
pretty=20much=20founded=20the=20movement.=20=20If=20they=20don't=20talk=20a=
bout=20the=20
Federation,=20I=20would=20guess=20they'd=20probably=20talk=20about=20the=20=
work=20of=20
Dr.=20=20tenBroek.=20=20I=20have=20been=20behind=20on=20the=20list,=20so=20=
what=20time=20will=20
the=20show=20be=20on?=20Thanks!

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Arielle=20Silverman=20<arielle71 at gmail.com
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2022=20Oct=202011=2021:52:47=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20"Lives=20Worth=20Living"=20Disability=20Rights=
=20
DocumentaryPremieres=20on=20PBS=20Series=20Independent=20Lens;=20October=20=
27

I=20assume=20the=20Federation=20will=20be=20discussed=20when=20they=20cover=
=20
blindness
civil=20rights.
Arielle

On=2010/22/11,=20Jedi=20<loneblindjedi at samobile.net>=20wrote:
=20That's=20odd,=20where's=20the=20Federation=20in=20all=20this=20seems=20h=
ow=20Jacobus
=20tenBroek=20kind=20of=20founded=20the=20Disability=20Rights=20movement=20=
through=20
his
=20scholarly=20work=20?=20And=20really,=20the=20blindness=20movement=20is=20=
probably=20
one=20of
=20the=20strongest=20in=20the=20overall=20Disability=20Rights=20Movement.

=20And=20also,=20has=20anyone=20heard=20whether=20or=20not=20the=20film=20w=
ill=20be=20
available
=20online=20as=20I=20don't=20have=20a=20television?.

=20Respectfully,
=20Jedi

=20Original=20message:


=20Rarely=20in=20the=20history=20of=20media=20has=20a=20documentary
=20captured=20the=20authentic=20voices=20of=20disability
=20leaders=20as=20they=20reframe=20the=20debate=20on=20the
=20disability=20rights=20movement=20in=20America.=20=20This
=20October=2027=20premiere=20of=20Lives=20Worth=20Living
=20coincides=20with=20National=20Disability=20Employment
=20Awareness=20Month,=20and=20gives=20=93Independent=20Lens=94=20a
=20whole=20new=20meaning=20as=20this=20film=20recalibrates=20the
=20focus=20that=20chronicles=20the=20Independent=20Living=20Movement.
=20This=20film=20is=20for=20everyone=20with=20=96=20and=20without=20-
=20disabilities.=20=20We=20encourage=20students=20to=20watch
=20and=20discuss=20in=20school;=20employees=20to=20watch=20(with
=20their=20Employee=20Resource=20Groups);=20families=20to
=20experience=20it=20with=20friends.=20=20Blog=20about=20it,=20talk=20about=
=20it.
=20Let=20PBS=20know=20this=20is=20the=20kind=20of=20authentic=20programming=
=20that=20is=20
important.
=20Lives=20Worth=20Living=20IS=20the=20film=20worth=20watching!

=20Lead=20On.....

=20Tari

=20Tari=20Hartman=20Squire,=20CEO
=20EIN=20SOF=20Communications,=20Inc.
=20"We=20Mean=20Business"
=2011601=20Wilshire=20Boulevard,=20Suite=20500
=20Los=20Angeles,=20CA=2090025
=20310-650-0595=20-=20mobile
=20310-473-5954=20-=20office
=20
<mailto:Tari at EINSOFcommunications.com>Tari at EINSOFcommunications.c
om




=20FOR=20IMMEDIATE=20RELEASE=20CONTACT
=20Voleine=20Amilcar,=20ITVS=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20415-356-838=
3=20x
=20244
=20<mailto:voleine_amilcar at itvs.org>voleine_amilcar at itvs.org
=20Mary
=20Lugo
=20770-623-8190
=20<mailto:lugo at negia.net>lugo at negia.net
=20Cara
=20White
=20843-881-1480
=20<mailto:cara.white at mac.com>cara.white at mac.com

=20For=20downloadable=20images,=20visit
=20<http://pressroom.pbs.org/>http://pressroom.pbs.org

=20LIVES=20WORTH=20LIVING=20Premieres=20on=20the=20PBS=20Series=20INDEPENDE=
NT=20LENS
=20Thursday,=20October=2027=20at=2010=20PM=20During
=20National=20Disability=20Employment=20Awareness=20Month

=20Powerful=20Documentary=20Chronicles=20the=20History=20of
=20America=92s=20Disability=20Rights=20Movement

=20While=20there=20are=20over=2054=20million=20Americans=20living
=20with=20disabilities,=20Lives=20Worth=20Living=20is=20the
=20first=20television=20history=20of=20their=20decades-long
=20struggle=20for=20equal=20rights.=20=20Produced=20and=20directed
=20by=20Eric=20Neudel,=20Lives=20Worth=20Living=20is=20a=20window
=20into=20a=20world=20inhabited=20by=20people=20with=20an
=20unwavering=20determination=20to=20live=20their=20lives
=20like=20everyone=20else,=20and=20a=20look=20back=20into=20a=20past
=20when=20millions=20of=20Americans=20lived=20without=20access
=20to=20schools,=20employment,=20apartment=20buildings,=20and
=20public=20transportation=20=96=20a=20way=20of=20life
=20unimaginable=20today.=20=20Lives=20Worth=20Living=20premieres
=20on=20the=20Emmy=AE=20Award-winning=20PBS=20series
=20Independent=20Lens,=20on=20Thursday,=20October=2027,=202011
=20at=2010=20PM=20(check=20local=20listings)=20to=20coincide=20with
=20National=20Disability=20Employment=20Awareness=20Month.

=20Lives=20Worth=20Living=20traces=20the=20development=20of=20the
=20disability=20rights=20movement=20from=20its=20beginning
=20following=20World=20War=20II,=20when=20thousands=20of
=20disabled=20veterans=20returned=20home,=20through=20its
=20burgeoning=20in=20the=201960s=20and=201970s,=20when=20it=20began
=20to=20adopt=20the=20tactics=20of=20other=20social=20movements.
=20Told=20through=20interviews=20with=20the=20movement=92s
=20pioneers,=20legislators,=20and=20others,=20Lives=20Worth
=20Living=20explores=20how=20Americans=20with=20a=20wide
=20variety=20of=20disabilities=20=AD=20including=20blind,=20deaf,
=20physical,=20intellectual=20and=20psychiatric=20=AD=20banded
=20together=20to=20change=20public=20perception=20and=20policy.
=20Through=20demonstrations=20and=20legislative=20battles,
=20the=20disability=20rights=20community=20finally=20secured
=20equal=20civil=20rights=20with=20the=201990=20passage=20and
=20signing=20into=20law=20of=20the=20Americans=20with
=20Disabilities=20Act,=20one=20of=20the=20most=20transformative
=20pieces=20of=20civil=20rights=20legislation=20in=20American=20history.


=20[]






=20[]


=20[]


=20To=20learn=20more=20about=20the=20film,=20and=20the=20issues
=20involved,=20visit=20the=20film=92s=20companion=20website=20at
=20
<http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens/.
=20Get=20detailed=20information=20on=20the=20film,=20watch
=20preview=20clips,=20read=20an=20interview=20with=20the
=20filmmaker,=20and=20explore=20the=20subject=20in=20depth=20with
=20links=20and=20resources.=20=20The=20site=20also=20features=20a
=20Talkback=20section,=20where=20viewers=20can=20share=20their=20ideas=20an=
d=20
opinions.


=20About=20the=20Participants,=20in=20Order=20of=20Appearance
=20Fred=20Fay,=20early=20leader=20in=20the
=20
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_rights_movement>disabili
ty
=20rights=20movement=20(1944=20=96=202011)
=20Ann=20Ford,=20director=20of=20the=20Illinois=20National=20Council=20on=20=

Independent=20Living
=20Judy=20Heumann,=20leading=20disability=20rights
=20activist,=20Co-Founder=20of=20World=20Institute=20on=20Disability
=20Judi=20Chamberlin,=20Mental=20Patients=20Liberation
=20Front,=20a=20movement=20for=20the=20rights=20and=20dignity=20of
=20people=20with=20mental=20illness=20(1944-2010)
=20Dr.=20=20William=20Bronston,=20former=20staff=20physician=20at
=20the=20notorious=20Willowbrook=20State=20School=20who=20was
=20dismissed=20after=20agitating=20for=20change
=20Bob=20Kafka,=20established=20ADAPT=20of=20Texas,=20a
=20disability=20rights=20advocacy=20organization
=20Zona=20Roberts,=20counselor,=20UC=20Berkeley's
=20Physically=20Disabled=20Students=92=20Program=20and=20Center
=20for=20Independent=20Living,=20Berkeley;=20mother=20of
=20disability=20rights=20pioneer=20Ed=20Roberts
=20Pat=20Wright,=20Former=20Disability=20Rights=20Education=20and=20Defense=
=20Fund
=20John=20Wodatch,=20Former=20Chief,=20Disability=20Rights
=20Section,=20Civil=20Rights=20Division,=20U.=20=20S.=20=20Department=20of=
=20Justice
=20Jack=20Duncan,=20Former=20Counsel,=20U.S.=20=20House=20of=20Representati=
ves
=20Mary=20Jane=20Owen,=20disability=20rights=20activist,
=20philosopher,=20policy=20expert,=20and=20writer
=20Marca=20Bristo,=20CEO,=20Access=20Living=20of=20Metropolitan
=20Chicago,=20former=20chair=20of=20the=20National=20Council=20on
=20Disability,=20and=20leader=20in=20the=20disability=20rights=20movement
=20Michael=20Winter,=20Former=20director,=20Berkeley=20Center=20for=20Indep=
endent=20
Living
=20Lex=20Frieden,=20Former=20director,=20National=20Council
=20on=20the=20Handicapped=20(now=20National=20Council=20on=20Disability)
=20Dr.=20=20I.=20=20King=20Jordan,=20President=20Emeritus,=20Gallaudet=20Un=
iversity
=20Jeff=20Rosen,=20alumni=20leader,=20Gallaudet=20University
=20Senator=20Tom=20Harkin,=20(D-Iowa),=20co-author=20of=20the=20ADA
=20Bobby=20Silverstein,=20Former=20Chief=20Counsel,=20Senate
=20Subcommittee=20on=20Disability=20Policy
=20Richard=20Thornburgh,=20U.S.=20=20Attorney=20General,=201988-1991
=20Tony=20Coelho,=20Former=20Congressman=20(D-California),
=20House=20Majority=20Whip,=201986-1989,=20author=20of=20the=20ADA
=20Justin=20Dart,=20leader=20in=20the=20disability=20rights=20movement=20(1=
930=20=96=20
2002)

=20About=20the=20Filmmaker
=20Eric=20Neudel=20(Producer/Director)=20has=20produced,
=20directed,=20and=20edited=20numerous=20award-winning
=20films=20for=20public=20television.=20=20His=20many=20credits
=20include=20Eyes=20on=20the=20Prize,=20AIDS:=20Chapter=20One,
=20LBJ=20Goes=20to=20War,=20Tet=201968,=20Steps,=20After=20the
=20Crash,=20The=20Philippines=20and=20The=20US:=20In=20Our=20Image,
=20Body=20and=20Soul,=20and=20more.=20=20He=20was=20a=20visiting
=20senior=20critic=20and=20lecturer=20in=20film=20at=20Yale
=20University=20and=20served=20as=20producer,=20director,=20and
=20editor=20for=20Harvard=20University=92s=20Derek=20Bok=20Center
=20for=20Teaching=20and=20Learning,=20and=20Spectrum=20Media=92s
=20program=20series=20on=20the=20art=20and=20craft=20of=20teaching.
=20Neudel=20was=20also=20a=20photographer=20and=20video
=20production=20consultant,=20teaching=20video=20production
=20to=20a=20team=20working=20for=20the=20Compass=20Project=20in
=20Malawi.=20=20Photographs=20from=20his=20two=20years=20in=20Malawi
=20were=20exhibited=20in=20the=20Sandra=20and=20Phillip=20Gordon
=20Gallery=20at=20The=20Boston=20Arts=20Academy=20in=20October=202007.

=20He=20also=20served=20as=20story=20consultant=20for=20Row=20Hard
=20No=20Excuses,=20an=20award-winning=20documentary=20about
=20two=20middle=20aged=20American=20men=20who=20set=20out=20to
=20cross=20the=20Atlantic=20in=20a=20rowboat.=20=20Most=20recently
=20he=20served=20as=20a=20photographer=20in=20Rwanda=20for=20The
=20Boston=20Globe,=20where=20he=20directed,=20produced,=20and
=20edited=20a=20companion=20documentary=20about=20the
=20Maranyundo=20Middle=20School,=20which=20was=20built=20on=20the
=20site=20of=20one=20of=20the=20worst=20concentration=20camps=20and=20killi=
ng=20fields=20
in
=20Rwanda.


=20About=20Independent=20Lens
=20Independent=20Lens=20is=20an=20Emmy=AE=20Award-winning
=20weekly=20series=20airing=20Thursday=20nights=20at=2010=20PM=20on
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=20films=20united=20by=20the=20creative=20freedom,=20artistic
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=20community=20or=20moment=20in=20history.=20=20Presented=20by=20the
=20Independent=20Television=20Service=20(ITVS),=20the
=20series=20is=20supported=20by=20interactive=20companion
=20websites=20and=20national=20publicity=20and=20community
=20engagement=20campaigns.=20=20Further=20information=20about
=20the=20series=20is=20available=20at
=20<http://www.pbs.org/independentlens>www.pbs.org/independentlens.
=20Independent=20Lens=20is=20jointly=20curated=20by=20ITVS=20and
=20PBS;=20it=20is=20funded=20by=20the=20Corporation=20for=20Public
=20Broadcasting=20(CPB),=20a=20private=20corporation=20funded
=20by=20the=20American=20people,=20with=20additional=20funding
=20provided=20by=20PBS=20and=20the=20National=20Endowment=20for
=20the=20Arts.=20=20The=20series=20producer=20is=20Lois=20Vossen.

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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 19:23:23 2011
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:23:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents:
 What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCKu4crbhQ77WZ_ZgMBxHDwTNZqf3eA3WAGrwoS71gWLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwUdjMtCAX-4+wOLxdO0-kCryOS7DNbKrzmdyB1_vWAhuR=jw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<2F0E613B2BAE494FB8A70DD032F0F2283FB9188D@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAurf=eTeptUgLu8zF2na78MUhRpLk=TCF8pQ5UJN10bYRNQwQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm happy to announce that all our files are being reuploaded, and I
expect the full Nabs site to be online by Monday or Tuesday, complete
with archives of the meeting from convention, this call from tonight
that will be streamed live on Audio Access FM; and any other calls
that I have copies of.
To listen to tonight's call, tune in to the station that stretches the
boundaries of Sound Entertainment Audio Access FM
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
Whether you have blind children or are blind, there's surely something
anyone can get from this presentation tonight, so tune in and learn a
thing or two along the way.

On 10/23/11, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I can't speak for Darian but in the past the NABS conference calls have been
> at
> 712-775-7100
> with passcode 257963.
> If Darian doesn't respond before tonight, try that number and passcode.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/23/11, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Darian:
>>
>> What is the conference line info? I think you forgot to include that
>> and I don't happen to have it on hand since I usually just get it from
>> your email messages.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kerri
>>
>> On 10/23/11, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
>>> Please include the conference line information
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Amy C. Phelps
>>> 410-737-2642
>>>
>>> Follow us: Facebook - BISM Youth Programs
>>> Twitter @BISM_Youth
>>>
>>> Help sponsor our youth program activities Donate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person can
>>> do
>>> the average job in the average place of business and do it as well as his
>>> or
>>> her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James H. Omvig
>>> Confidentiality Note:  The information contained in this message may be
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>>> of
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>>> message and deleting it from your computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Darian Smith
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:40 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents:
>>> What
>>> Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
>>>
>>>  NABS Membership Committee Presents:
>>>
>>>  What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You
>>>
>>>  Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?
>>>
>>>  Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to succeed?
>>>
>>>  Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and how it
>>> applies to you?
>>>
>>>  Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer session
>>> about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach your  educational
>>> and
>>> employment  goals. Dr. Edward Bell, (director of the Professional
>>> Development and  Research Institute on Blindness at Louisiana Tech), will
>>> join us to  explain the purpose  of Voc Rehab and empower you to advocate
>>> for your needs.
>>>
>>>  To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers you
>>> need,
>>> send your questions to:
>>>
>>>  nabs.membership at gmail.com
>>>
>>>  by October 20th.
>>>
>>>  We look forward to hearing from you.
>>>
>>>  see you there.
>>>
>>>
>>>   The National  Association of Blind Students   membership committee.
>>>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 18:52:29 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:52:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students
	Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
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Hi Amy,

This is Chris here in MD! It just so happens that I have the 
conference line information.  To call in, call 712-775-7100 and 
type in the access code 257963 when asked for the access code.  
Hope this helps! See you at the state convention!

Chris

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Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:40 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students 
Presents: What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

 NABS Membership Committee Presents:

 What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You

 Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?

 Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to 
succeed?

 Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and how 
it  applies to you?

 Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer 
session  about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach 
your  educational and employment  goals.  Dr.  Edward Bell, 
(director of the Professional Development and  Research Institute 
on Blindness at Louisiana Tech), will join us to  explain the 
purpose  of Voc Rehab and empower you to advocate for your needs.

 To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers 
you  need, send your questions to:

 nabs.membership at gmail.com

 by October 20th.

 We look forward to hearing from you.

 see you there.


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From aphelps at BISM.org  Sun Oct 23 20:13:45 2011
From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:13:45 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind
	Students	Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
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Thanks Chris!

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Sent: Sun, Oct 23, 2011 19:42:11 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

Hi Amy,

This is Chris here in MD! It just so happens that I have the
conference line information.  To call in, call 712-775-7100 and
type in the access code 257963 when asked for the access code.
Hope this helps! See you at the state convention!

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:00:50 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students
Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

Please include the conference line information

Thanks!
Amy C.  Phelps
410-737-2642

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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:40 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students
Presents: What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

 NABS Membership Committee Presents:

 What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You

 Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?

 Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to
succeed?

 Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and how
it  applies to you?

 Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer
session  about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach
your  educational and employment  goals.  Dr.  Edward Bell,
(director of the Professional Development and  Research Institute
on Blindness at Louisiana Tech), will join us to  explain the
purpose  of Voc Rehab and empower you to advocate for your needs.

 To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers
you  need, send your questions to:

 nabs.membership at gmail.com

 by October 20th.

 We look forward to hearing from you.

 see you there.


  The National  Association of Blind Students   membership
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 22:43:55 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:43:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Hi David,
Yes I completely agree. I really think that NFB should put more effort
into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e. food
service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much on
the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
kiosks. Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group is
unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in the
working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom" before we
can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or engineers.
That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike. If we don't gain
access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain the
basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing competitive
full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before? How
will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
assistance when we are in college?
The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs are
flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
question their practical utility. I think that before we can really
become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the most
basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level jobs,
educational materials, public transportation, etc. Making McDonald's
jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the Blind
Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our unemployment
rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out that
extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job interviews
later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of beginning
jobs as our sighted peers. And only if we fix these long-standing
employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and Target have
to offer us.
I'm curious what others think.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>  VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message. Will try and find
> out by the end of next week
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
>> I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so forth.
>> Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the investment
>> would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a device was
>>
>> your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc. Rehab agency would purchase it.
>> David
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Hope Paulos
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>> Hello all. I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an accessible
>> cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities. The only problem
>> is
>> they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks. So in order for
>> an
>> employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the adaptive
>> equipment. I can try and find out the name and brand  of the register  if
>> anyone is interested.
>> Hope Paulos
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
>>> processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would open up
>>> more jobs for blind workers. As for identifying currency, some sort of
>>> efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion. The honor system
>>> wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
>>> David Bouchard
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> Vejas,
>>> Yes in NFB activities its different. But when you are dealing with the
>>> general public in the stores, it’s a different story
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vejas
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
>>> identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
>>> Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
>>> us, as they know our situation.
>>> Vejas
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
>>> before.
>>> It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
>>> be
>>> willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
>>> giving the
>>> right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
>>> who can
>>> take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
>>> because
>>> most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
>>> Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
>>> takes to process each image.
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
>>> currency and see
>>> the screen.
>>> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Humberto Avila
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
>>> Since it
>>> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
>>> the quantity
>>> and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
>>> is learn the
>>> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
>>> receipts,
>>> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
>>> purchases.  It
>>> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
>>> are
>>> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
>>> controls.  But
>>> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
>>> correctly to be
>>> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
>>> needed to be a
>>> blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Humberto
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
>>> see
>>> merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
>>> looking for
>>> customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
>>> cashiers; we
>>> can't do that.
>>>
>>> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
>>> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
>>> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
>>> jobs sound
>>> like they would be totally accessible.
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
>>> job in
>>> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
>>> assistant.
>>> But not many employers are hiring.
>>>
>>> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
>>> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
>>> jobs
>>> that are flexible and part time.
>>>
>>>
>>> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
>>> I
>>> thought of customer service representative or working the mall
>>> at
>>> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
>>> public.
>>>
>>> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
>>> very
>>> accessible?
>>> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
>>> matter of
>>> finding that job opening.
>>>
>>> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
>>> theater?
>>> or maybe box office?
>>>
>>> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
>>> Babysitting is
>>> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
>>> the
>>> sole supervisor of them.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 23:17:38 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:17:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights
	DocumentaryPremieres on PBS Series Independent Lens; October 27
Message-ID: <4ea4a09e.aa92ec0a.1997.ffff8433@mx.google.com>

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=20if=20not=20
the=20leader=20in=20the=20disability=20rights=20movement,=20and=20Dr.=20=20=
tenBroek=20
pretty=20much=20founded=20the=20movement.=20=20If=20they=20don't=20talk=20a=
bout=20the=20
Federation,=20I=20would=20guess=20they'd=20probably=20talk=20about=20the=20=
work=20of=20
Dr.=20=20tenBroek.=20=20I=20have=20been=20behind=20on=20the=20list,=20so=20=
what=20time=20will=20
the=20show=20be=20on?=20Thanks!

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Arielle=20Silverman=20<arielle71 at gmail.com
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2022=20Oct=202011=2021:52:47=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20"Lives=20Worth=20Living"=20Disability=20Rights=
=20
DocumentaryPremieres=20on=20PBS=20Series=20Independent=20Lens;=20October=20=
27

I=20assume=20the=20Federation=20will=20be=20discussed=20when=20they=20cover=
=20
blindness
civil=20rights.
Arielle

On=2010/22/11,=20Jedi=20<loneblindjedi at samobile.net>=20wrote:
=20That's=20odd,=20where's=20the=20Federation=20in=20all=20this=20seems=20h=
ow=20Jacobus
=20tenBroek=20kind=20of=20founded=20the=20Disability=20Rights=20movement=20=
through=20
his
=20scholarly=20work=20?=20And=20really,=20the=20blindness=20movement=20is=20=
probably=20
one=20of
=20the=20strongest=20in=20the=20overall=20Disability=20Rights=20Movement.

=20And=20also,=20has=20anyone=20heard=20whether=20or=20not=20the=20film=20w=
ill=20be=20
available
=20online=20as=20I=20don't=20have=20a=20television?.

=20Respectfully,
=20Jedi

=20Original=20message:


=20Rarely=20in=20the=20history=20of=20media=20has=20a=20documentary
=20captured=20the=20authentic=20voices=20of=20disability
=20leaders=20as=20they=20reframe=20the=20debate=20on=20the
=20disability=20rights=20movement=20in=20America.=20=20This
=20October=2027=20premiere=20of=20Lives=20Worth=20Living
=20coincides=20with=20National=20Disability=20Employment
=20Awareness=20Month,=20and=20gives=20=93Independent=20Lens=94=20a
=20whole=20new=20meaning=20as=20this=20film=20recalibrates=20the
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 23:17:42 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:17:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students
	Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
Message-ID: <4ea4a0a2.aa92ec0a.1997.ffff8436@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,

I believe that is still the number and passcode, as Darian has 
referred to it in past emails as "the NABS conference line." Amy, 
sorry, I said 775 instead of 755 in my reply to you.  Arielle's 
number is right.  My mistake!

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:13:09 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students 
Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

Hi all,
I can't speak for Darian but in the past the NABS conference 
calls have been at
712-775-7100
with passcode 257963.
If Darian doesn't respond before tonight, try that number and 
passcode.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Darian:

 What is the conference line info? I think you forgot to include 
that
 and I don't happen to have it on hand since I usually just get 
it from
 your email messages.

 Thanks,
 Kerri

 On 10/23/11, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
 Please include the conference line information

 Thanks!
 Amy C.  Phelps
 410-737-2642

 Follow us: Facebook - BISM Youth Programs
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 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Darian Smith
 Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:40 AM
 Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students 
Presents:
 What
 Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

  NABS Membership Committee Presents:

  What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You

  Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?

  Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to 
succeed?

  Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and 
how it
 applies to you?

  Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer 
session
 about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach your  
educational
 and
 employment  goals.  Dr.  Edward Bell, (director of the 
Professional
 Development and  Research Institute on Blindness at Louisiana 
Tech), will
 join us to  explain the purpose  of Voc Rehab and empower you to 
advocate
 for your needs.

  To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers 
you
 need,
 send your questions to:

  nabs.membership at gmail.com

  by October 20th.

  We look forward to hearing from you.

  see you there.


   The National  Association of Blind Students   membership 
committee.

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 23:18:41 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:18:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: a 32-page list of scholarships for blind college
	students
In-Reply-To: <AAC3DBAEDE7D434F9CAFD025B8FBBFA304EFA851D4@VA3DIAXVS631.RED001.local>
References: <AAC3DBAEDE7D434F9CAFD025B8FBBFA304EFA851D4@VA3DIAXVS631.RED001.local>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDjrJcNXHius7phJAkmUa4OGSMsN+Lqe6HyCo9E8kBFog@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Rovig, Lorraine" <LRovig at nfb.org>
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:15:14 -0700
Subject: a 32-page list of scholarships for blind college students
To: Scholarships <scholarships at nfb.org>

Here is an online "Scholarship Comparison Chart" of scholarships
offered to blind students. It is published by the Jewish Guild for the
Blind of New York City and is 32 pages long (as a PDF file). If you
are looking for more scholarships, this is a list worth checking.
http://www.jgb.org/pdf/ScholarshipComparisonChart.doc
Lorraine Rovig


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 23:37:47 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:37:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students
	Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
Message-ID: <4ea4a557.059dec0a.606e.39c3@mx.google.com>

Hi David,

Yay!!!!! That is awesome news!!! I hope to listen to the archived 
business meeting soon!! By the way, I wonder if it would be 
possible to do a show about NABS or the NFB on AudioAccessFM, 
interviewing Federation or NABS leaders, inviting call-ins from 
NFB or NABS members, etc.  With permission from the national 
office, you could probably broadcast the Presidential Releases 
and/or Straight Talk about Vision Loss with Mark Riccobono.  Just 
an idea! Look forward to the relaunch of the audio site!

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:23:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students 
Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

I'm happy to announce that all our files are being reuploaded, 
and I
expect the full Nabs site to be online by Monday or Tuesday, 
complete
with archives of the meeting from convention, this call from 
tonight
that will be streamed live on Audio Access FM; and any other 
calls
that I have copies of.
To listen to tonight's call, tune in to the station that 
stretches the
boundaries of Sound Entertainment Audio Access FM
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
Whether you have blind children or are blind, there's surely 
something
anyone can get from this presentation tonight, so tune in and 
learn a
thing or two along the way.

On 10/23/11, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi all,
 I can't speak for Darian but in the past the NABS conference 
calls have been
 at
 712-775-7100
 with passcode 257963.
 If Darian doesn't respond before tonight, try that number and 
passcode.
 Best,
 Arielle

 On 10/23/11, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Darian:

 What is the conference line info? I think you forgot to include 
that
 and I don't happen to have it on hand since I usually just get 
it from
 your email messages.

 Thanks,
 Kerri

 On 10/23/11, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
 Please include the conference line information

 Thanks!
 Amy C.  Phelps
 410-737-2642

 Follow us: Facebook - BISM Youth Programs
 Twitter @BISM_Youth

 Help sponsor our youth program activities Donate



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 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Darian Smith
 Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:40 AM
 Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students 
Presents:
 What
 Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 23:45:16 2011
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:45:16 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs conference call:is currently up and running!
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 23 23:53:32 2011
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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Good afternoon, Ariell,

         For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our community is 
so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge. What blind person 
that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of will 
choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI, 
benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's 
working, why change it?
But essentially, I am in agreement. How are sexy flash bulbs going to 
say anything about us when someone need only peruse our , employment 
statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts? are 
so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic, primarily I 
imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful experience 
though we have ample   training and more than sufficient, personal drive.

the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking. As a blind 
person I wouldn't want to drive. Let someone else do that. just as it 
has always been.
How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license if we 
don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
for today,
Car I completely agree. I really think that NFB should put more effort
>into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e. food
>service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much on
>the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
>kiosks. Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group is
>unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in the
>working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom" before we
>can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or engineers.
>That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike. If we don't gain
>access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain the
>basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing competitive
>full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before? How
>will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
>assistance when we are in college?
>The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs are
>flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
>question their practical utility. I think that before we can really
>become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the most
>basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level jobs,
>educational materials, public transportation, etc. Making McDonald's
>jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the Blind
>Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our unemployment
>rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out that
>extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job interviews
>later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of beginning
>jobs as our sighted peers. And only if we fix these long-standing
>employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and Target have
>to offer us.
>I'm curious what others think.
>Best,
>Arielle
>
>On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message. Will try and find
> > out by the end of next week
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
> > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
> >
> >
> >> I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so forth.
> >> Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the investment
> >> would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a device was
> >>
> >> your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc. Rehab agency would purchase it.
> >> David
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Hope Paulos
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
> >>
> >> Hello all. I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an accessible
> >> cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities. The only problem
> >> is
> >> they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks. So in order for
> >> an
> >> employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the adaptive
> >> equipment. I can try and find out the name and brand  of the register  if
> >> anyone is interested.
> >> Hope Paulos
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
> >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello.
> >>> Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
> >>> processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would open up
> >>> more jobs for blind workers. As for identifying currency, some sort of
> >>> efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion. The honor system
> >>> wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
> >>> David Bouchard
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
> >>>
> >>> Vejas,
> >>> Yes in NFB activities its different. But when you are dealing with the
> >>> general public in the stores, it's a different story
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: vejas
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
> >>>
> >>> I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
> >>> identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
> >>> Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
> >>> us, as they know our situation.
> >>> Vejas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
> >>>
> >>> I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
> >>> before.
> >>> It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
> >>> be
> >>> willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
> >>> giving the
> >>> right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
> >>> who can
> >>> take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
> >>> because
> >>> most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
> >>> Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
> >>> takes to process each image.
> >>> Best,
> >>> Arielle
> >>>
> >>> On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
> >>> currency and see
> >>> the screen.
> >>> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Humberto Avila
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
> >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
> >>>
> >>> Hello.
> >>> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
> >>> Since it
> >>> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
> >>> the quantity
> >>> and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
> >>> is learn the
> >>> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
> >>> receipts,
> >>> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
> >>> purchases.  It
> >>> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
> >>> are
> >>> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
> >>> controls.  But
> >>> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
> >>> correctly to be
> >>> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
> >>> needed to be a
> >>> blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Humberto
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> >>> Of Ashley Bramlett
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
> >>>
> >>> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
> >>> see
> >>> merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
> >>> looking for
> >>> customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
> >>> cashiers; we
> >>> can't do that.
> >>>
> >>> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
> >>> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Arielle Silverman
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ashley,
> >>> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
> >>> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
> >>> jobs sound
> >>> like they would be totally accessible.
> >>> Best,
> >>> Arielle
> >>>
> >>> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
> >>> job in
> >>> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
> >>> assistant.
> >>> But not many employers are hiring.
> >>>
> >>> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
> >>> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
> >>> jobs
> >>> that are flexible and part time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
> >>> I
> >>> thought of customer service representative or working the mall
> >>> at
> >>> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
> >>> public.
> >>>
> >>> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
> >>> very
> >>> accessible?
> >>> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
> >>> matter of
> >>> finding that job opening.
> >>>
> >>> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
> >>> theater?
> >>> or maybe box office?
> >>>
> >>> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
> >>> Babysitting is
> >>> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
> >>> the
> >>> sole supervisor of them.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 23 23:57:04 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:57:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Arielle!
Exactly and better stated than I did. We have to start out entry level and 
at the

"bottom" But as I asked before, what mall jobs are accessible to us? We 
cannot be a sales associate in a store, sort clothes in the back stock room, 
or be a cashier. So what can we do? The mall is a big employer of young 
people or people with no experience. The only job I can think of is being 
one of those customer service reps at  guest services. We can also work in 
the department store office maybe. Can a blind person be of help in a 
restaurant? A dish washer? Maybe that would be a job for someone.

My point being we need jobs before landing that career long term job like 
any other employee. Yeah, lets get jobs at Mcdonalds, KFC or Wendys. Haven't 
seen a blind person do that except for one nameed Angie. She may be on the 
list; she worked at Taco bell as a teen.

This really needs to be a priority of NFB more than say the blind driver 
challenge or web accessibility.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 6:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi David,
Yes I completely agree. I really think that NFB should put more effort
into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e. food
service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much on
the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
kiosks. Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group is
unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in the
working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom" before we
can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or engineers.
That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike. If we don't gain
access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain the
basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing competitive
full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before? How
will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
assistance when we are in college?
The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs are
flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
question their practical utility. I think that before we can really
become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the most
basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level jobs,
educational materials, public transportation, etc. Making McDonald's
jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the Blind
Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our unemployment
rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out that
extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job interviews
later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of beginning
jobs as our sighted peers. And only if we fix these long-standing
employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and Target have
to offer us.
I'm curious what others think.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>  VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message. Will try and find
> out by the end of next week
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
>> I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so forth.
>> Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the investment
>> would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a device 
>> was
>>
>> your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc. Rehab agency would purchase it.
>> David
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Hope Paulos
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>> Hello all. I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an accessible
>> cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities. The only problem
>> is
>> they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks. So in order for
>> an
>> employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the adaptive
>> equipment. I can try and find out the name and brand  of the register  if
>> anyone is interested.
>> Hope Paulos
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
>>> processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would open up
>>> more jobs for blind workers. As for identifying currency, some sort of
>>> efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion. The honor system
>>> wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
>>> David Bouchard
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> Vejas,
>>> Yes in NFB activities its different. But when you are dealing with the
>>> general public in the stores, it’s a different story
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vejas
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
>>> identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
>>> Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
>>> us, as they know our situation.
>>> Vejas
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
>>> before.
>>> It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
>>> be
>>> willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
>>> giving the
>>> right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
>>> who can
>>> take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
>>> because
>>> most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
>>> Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
>>> takes to process each image.
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
>>> currency and see
>>> the screen.
>>> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Humberto Avila
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
>>> Since it
>>> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
>>> the quantity
>>> and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
>>> is learn the
>>> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
>>> receipts,
>>> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
>>> purchases.  It
>>> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
>>> are
>>> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
>>> controls.  But
>>> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
>>> correctly to be
>>> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
>>> needed to be a
>>> blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Humberto
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
>>> see
>>> merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
>>> looking for
>>> customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
>>> cashiers; we
>>> can't do that.
>>>
>>> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
>>> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
>>> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
>>> jobs sound
>>> like they would be totally accessible.
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
>>> job in
>>> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
>>> assistant.
>>> But not many employers are hiring.
>>>
>>> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
>>> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
>>> jobs
>>> that are flexible and part time.
>>>
>>>
>>> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
>>> I
>>> thought of customer service representative or working the mall
>>> at
>>> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
>>> public.
>>>
>>> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
>>> very
>>> accessible?
>>> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
>>> matter of
>>> finding that job opening.
>>>
>>> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
>>> theater?
>>> or maybe box office?
>>>
>>> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
>>> Babysitting is
>>> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
>>> the
>>> sole supervisor of them.
>>>
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From todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 24 00:17:39 2011
From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk (Todd Orlowski)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:17:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Moodle Accessibility
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References: <4EA23B52.60805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6C2F9D4C-A2D8-46FA-B5A9-8BF8E12AA765@yahoo.co.uk>

I"ve heard that moodle is pretty accessible with Jaws. it sounds like moodle is not our problem its the person at the institution coding the page example broken links. As far as making items accessible this can be done but it takes time for the school to do this I mean extra time which it should be done if you ask especially if you have a disability on file. I'd ask the school who is encharge of moodle and contact this directly and explain you issue. If they are not helpful contact moodle support. 

Thanks 
Todd Orlowski 
Missouri Western State university 
Octt 21, 2011, at 10:41 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

> hi.
> using jaws 12.0.1170 and jaws 13.0.241.
> and doing a online diploma in website development from http://wsi.tafensw.edu.au, and they use http://wwwmoodle.org
> which is not very accessible with jaws.
> i have e-mailed support at  support at moodle.org about that jaws 12 and 13, in firefox, does not read some of the content after a while, and just says blank.
> and it has javascript, or java submenus, and jaws gets stuck on that.
> firefox 7.0, was really bad, and after a while had to try internet explorer 9.
> and it read the content a little better, but a couple of times, got stuck on the submenu.
> so, maybe if everyone wrote to http://www.moodle.org, might be able to get some real progress about this.
> has any one else used moodle, with a screen reader, and their experiences, good, bad, the ugly.
> and at the moment, the lecturers have to rewrite their content, and send it to me via e-mail.
> so in three months, have only completed three subjects.
> which is a slow and timely process.
> they also have other online students, face to face, and i have tried to ask them, and they said that moodle, is making changes to their e-learning platform, but could take a few months.
> and when i was able to login.
> a lot of broken links, enrollment keys, to login, and a combo box, when i was in the right area, no keyboard shortcuts, and some combo box items, just said item 3, or what ever.
> this is really, really annoying.
> so my question is.
> for a large institution, how easy is to fix accessibility,  of education institutions, to hand create the e-learning pages, and then put accessibility into these pages?
> and if there are any other more easier and more accessible e-learning systems, what are they, and how complex, or simple for a large institution, to move their content to this new platform.
> any feedback, suggestions, or where i go from here.
> want to use the e-learning platform, but a real challenge for a student with a dsiaiblity, of mine, bieng blind and using a screen reader.
> i did test with nvda, and got similar results in internet explorer 9, firefox 7.0.
> marvin.
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 00:46:35 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:46:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of
	BlindStudents	Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do
	for you.
Message-ID: <4ea4b578.0459650a.46de.05cf@mx.google.com>

Hi Amy,

No problem! However, I reversed the repeated numbers when I gave 
you the number.  If you saw Arielle's post, her number was 
correct.

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:13:45 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The National Association of BlindStudents	
Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

Thanks Chris!

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sun, Oct 23, 2011 19:42:11 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students 
Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

Hi Amy,

This is Chris here in MD! It just so happens that I have the
conference line information.  To call in, call 712-775-7100 and
type in the access code 257963 when asked for the access code.
Hope this helps! See you at the state convention!

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:00:50 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students
Presents:What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

Please include the conference line information

Thanks!
Amy C.  Phelps
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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:40 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students
Presents: What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

 NABS Membership Committee Presents:

 What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You

 Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for college?

 Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to
succeed?

 Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and how
it  applies to you?

 Join us on October 23rd at 7 PM EST for a question and answer
session  about how Vocational Rehabilitation can help you reach
your  educational and employment  goals.  Dr.  Edward Bell,
(director of the Professional Development and  Research Institute
on Blindness at Louisiana Tech), will join us to  explain the
purpose  of Voc Rehab and empower you to advocate for your needs.

 To make this seminar a success, we need you! To get the answers
you  need, send your questions to:

 nabs.membership at gmail.com

 by October 20th.

 We look forward to hearing from you.

 see you there.


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From jordyn2493 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 01:07:04 2011
From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:07:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Independence Market?
Message-ID: <4EA4BA38.2020405@gmail.com>

Hey guys,
I'm sorry in advance if this topic doesn't belong on this list. I'm just 
wondering though, what's up with the market. It keeps telling me I have 
to log in. What do you log in with?
Thanks!
Jordyn


From jordyn2493 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 01:30:40 2011
From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:30:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Blue
Message-ID: <4EA4BFC0.2040203@gmail.com>

Hi again all,
Does anyone have tips on how to use the Focus 40 Blue with Window Eyes? 
If so, email me off list at:
jordyn2493 at gmail.com
Thanks!


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 02:30:16 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:30:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state
Message-ID: <6FCD1C7183BE4746849232C19DDD28E1@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I come from an overprotective family and did not learn the living skills at the same time as my peers or sighted brothers. My parents seemed to feel it was easier to do something than teach me what to do. I was supported well for academics but not living skills. I was encouraged to keep up with reading in the summer and like all kids I watched kids educational TV like Sesemee street. I still remember Elmo and Ernie; they were cute!

I grew up in a white middle class family so fortunately my parents bought me many toys and educational materials throughout  my childhood/youth. The major things we got paid for via the lions club or the department for the blind and vision impaired, DBVI, when I was a teen. But they bought many supplies and talking products for me and some were daily life functional too including bold line paper, braille paper, labeling tape, labeling dots, a talking calculator, talking timer, and a braille embosser and more. 

However it wasn’t til a rehab teacher came to us as a teenager that I learned some basic kitchen stuff and how to cut food. For instance, I learned to do my laundry and make cereal and label with dymo tape at this point.

Now to my point. I mention this stuff for some context where I am as a young adult. I attended our state center and did learn some more, but it was not enough. They do not give you the core classes every day. The instruction in daily living was fine, in my opinion, but simply was not enough and besides I lack confidence. I had a cooking teacher who was not hands on enough for me. If the whole class makes one thing, that doesn’t help me learn. I need to do it to learn it meaning I need to do all steps in making a cake to understand how its done. Instead, we took turns doing the steps to make one product. The computer instruction was too basic and I asked for more intermediate skills and they said they wouldn’t cover it; not in their curriculum. The instruction was fine for a beginner though. Their lessons gave you lots of repetition and practice.

I am contemplating another center; I’ll admit I do not feel a NFB center is for me.
I just feel the structured discovery approach would not work; I want a more hands on and explicit approach.


So here is the thing.
How do you convince rehab you need training? What if you have a lot of skills? I use them regularly in school; I’m taking writing classes next spring at community college to finish a certificate.
I use my computer skills of word processing and research for school. I used the computer to look for work and generate cover letters. Still I need more such as learning excell though.
I already learned braille, labeling, and organization in school and through a rehab teacher.
I also use a cane and know some O&M although I could improve there too.

How do you convince them especially when you have some skills? What if they say, Ashley we can send a rehab teacher to your house. But the rehab teacher in my area won’t work due to her low expectations and she’s a heavy smoker.

I know home teaching will be their reaction because most skills revolve around cooking, cleaning, home maintenance, clothing care like ironing and other home tasks. 
What if they say go back to the state center. Of course I don’t want that.

I don’t know if I want to go or not yet. Again, I’m brainstorming and preparing possible arguments while I have time so I’m ready if I decide time is right. Next semester I’ll be at Nova, community college, though; I’m finishing a certificate and taking an elective, probably public speaking, to further my business skills.



Even though I won’t do a NFB center, I want to go out of state, so justifying is about the same process. But if you justified it and won to go out of state at a NFB center, I figured some of the same principles can apply elsewhere to exercise informed choice.

Ashley

From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 03:30:49 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:30:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Independence Market?
Message-ID: <4ea4dbf5.07a1650a.50ac.1c97@mx.google.com>

Hi Jordyn,

That's really weird! If you haven't done this already, go to the 
NFB homepage by going to nfb.org, then select the link called 
Products and Technology, then select the Independence Market 
link.  It should then take you to a page called National 
Federation of the Blind Online Store.  If it still wants you to 
log in, you can call the Market from 8 a.m.  to 5 p.m.  Eastern 
time Monday through Friday by calling the national center at 
410-659-9314 and hitting Option 4 from the main menu.  You could 
also call/email Ellen Ringlein, the market's manager directly if 
the problem persists, as this seems to me to be a problem with 
the site, if it still doesn't work after trying the way I 
mentioned earlier.  You can call her at the national center 
during the same hours as mentioned before.  I'm not sure of her 
extention, so just hit 0 at the main menu and ask the operator 
for Ellen Ringlein, pronounced Ringline.  You can also email her 
directly at eringlein at nfb.org.  Hope this helps!

Chris

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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:07:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Independence Market?

Hey guys,
I'm sorry in advance if this topic doesn't belong on this list.  
I'm just
wondering though, what's up with the market.  It keeps telling me 
I have
to log in.  What do you log in with?
Thanks!
Jordyn

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 03:30:48 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:30:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
Message-ID: <4ea4dbf4.07a1650a.50ac.1c95@mx.google.com>

Hi Carly,

The only thing I will disagree with you on is the Blind Driver 
Challenge.  Yes, the Federation is big on keeping what works, but 
we are also big on increasing the independence of blind people in 
whatever way we can and utilizing whatever technology/resources 
are available to us, especially after the opening of the Jernigan 
Institute.  Currently, we have to rely on a sighted person 
(either in the form of a hired driver, a friend/family member, or 
a public transportation driver) to drive us to wherever we 
need/want to go all the time.  But wouldn't we increase our own 
independence greatly if we were able to drive a car 
independently, just as sighted people do? Wouldn't it be 
liberating to, as a sighted person can do, be able to get in a 
car and drive to wherever we want to go independently, without 
having to schedule a pick-up and take time out of a sighted 
person's life to have them drive us somewhere? Yes, the current 
system works, but this is the key question here: why not? If the 
technology is currently available that would allow a blind person 
to drive a car independently, and a major engineering department 
of a major university (namely the Robotics and Mechanisms Lab, or 
RoMeLa, at Virginia Tech) believes it can be done and is 
currently working with us to make the challenge a reality, why 
not take advantage of that technology and that belief in the 
feasibility of our dream? Why not change the system so we're even 
more independent? Why can't we drive a car? This concept is why 
the newsletter of the Jernigan Institute is entitled 
"Imagineering our Future" (key word, imagineering, which is a 
compound term invented by Disney, which combines the words 
"imagine" and "engineering") and the fundraising arm of the 
Federation is called the NFB Imagination Fund.  Both of these 
titles symbolize a concept that is at the core of the Federation 
philosophy; imagination.  Not only do we want to get rid of the 
failed systems of the past, but once we find a system that still 
leaves us somewhat dependent on sighted assistance, we still ask 
ourselves: how can we make this system better so that we may be 
even more independent in whatever area it is? This is the driving 
force behind the Blind Driver Challenge and of the Jernigan 
Institute, and of the Federation as a whole, as I see it.  My 
friend Nathan tells me that Mark Riccobono is on this list, but 
I've never seen him post to it.  So Mark, if you have any 
thoughts on mine and Carly's comments on the Blind Driver 
Challenge and the Jernigan Institute, please share them with us, 
as you are an expert on the subjects in question.  Anyone else is 
also free to leave their thoughts!

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


Good afternoon, Ariell,

         For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our 
community is
so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge.  What blind 
person
that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of will
choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI,
benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's
working, why change it?
But essentially, I am in agreement.  How are sexy flash bulbs 
going to
say anything about us when someone need only peruse our , 
employment
statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts? 
are
so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic, primarily 
I
imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful 
experience
though we have ample   training and more than sufficient, 
personal drive.

the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking.  As a 
blind
person I wouldn't want to drive.  Let someone else do that.  just 
as it
has always been.
How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license if 
we
don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
for today,
Car I completely agree.  I really think that NFB should put more 
effort
into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e.  
food
service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much 
on
the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
kiosks.  Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group is
unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in 
the
working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom" 
before we
can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or 
engineers.
That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike.  If we don't 
gain
access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain 
the
basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing 
competitive
full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before? 
How
will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
assistance when we are in college?
The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs 
are
flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
question their practical utility.  I think that before we can 
really
become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the 
most
basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level jobs,
educational materials, public transportation, etc.  Making 
McDonald's
jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the 
Blind
Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our 
unemployment
rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out 
that
extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job 
interviews
later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of 
beginning
jobs as our sighted peers.  And only if we fix these 
long-standing
employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and Target 
have
to offer us.
I'm curious what others think.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
  VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message.  Will 
try and find
 out by the end of next week

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
 To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


 I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so 
forth.
 Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the 
investment
 would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a 
device was

 your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc.  Rehab agency would 
purchase it.
 David

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf Of Hope Paulos
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Hello all.  I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an 
accessible
 cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities.  The 
only problem
 is
 they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks.  So in 
order for
 an
 employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the 
adaptive
 equipment.  I can try and find out the name and brand  of the 
register  if
 anyone is interested.
 Hope Paulos
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
 To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


 Hello.
 Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
 processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would 
open up
 more jobs for blind workers.  As for identifying currency, some 
sort of
 efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion.  The honor 
system
 wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
 David Bouchard

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Vejas,
 Yes in NFB activities its different.  But when you are dealing 
with the
 general public in the stores, it's a different story

 -----Original Message-----
 From: vejas
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
 identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
 Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
 us, as they know our situation.
 Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
 before.
 It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
 be
 willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
 giving the
 right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
 who can
 take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
 because
 most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to 
us.
 Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long 
it
 takes to process each image.
 Best,
 Arielle

 On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
 currency and see
 the screen.
 You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Humberto Avila
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Hello.
 I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
 Since it
 involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
 the quantity
 and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
 is learn the
 layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
 receipts,
 cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
 purchases.  It
 does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
 are
 touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
 controls.  But
 otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
 correctly to be
 able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
 needed to be a
 blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

 Cheers,
 Humberto

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Ashley Bramlett
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
 see
 merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
 looking for
 customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
 cashiers; we
 can't do that.

 I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
 customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Arielle Silverman
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Hi Ashley,
 What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
 I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
 jobs sound
 like they would be totally accessible.
 Best,
 Arielle

 On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
 job in
 communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
 assistant.
 But not many employers are hiring.

 To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
 server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
 jobs
 that are flexible and part time.


 So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
 I
 thought of customer service representative or working the mall
 at
 guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
 public.

 So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
 very
 accessible?
 For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
 matter of
 finding that job opening.

 What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
 theater?
 or maybe box office?

 I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
 Babysitting is
 part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
 the
 sole supervisor of them.

 Thanks.
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 03:52:06 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:52:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
In-Reply-To: <4ea4dbf4.07a1650a.50ac.1c95@mx.google.com>
References: <4ea4dbf4.07a1650a.50ac.1c95@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F6EE42D928694465952D52E8D7D93491@OwnerPC>

But Chris,
A car for the blind will be more expensive than a regular car; and be out of 
the price range of most blind people. Lets get entry level jobs before 
trying to drive.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:30 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Carly,

The only thing I will disagree with you on is the Blind Driver
Challenge.  Yes, the Federation is big on keeping what works, but
we are also big on increasing the independence of blind people in
whatever way we can and utilizing whatever technology/resources
are available to us, especially after the opening of the Jernigan
Institute.  Currently, we have to rely on a sighted person
(either in the form of a hired driver, a friend/family member, or
a public transportation driver) to drive us to wherever we
need/want to go all the time.  But wouldn't we increase our own
independence greatly if we were able to drive a car
independently, just as sighted people do? Wouldn't it be
liberating to, as a sighted person can do, be able to get in a
car and drive to wherever we want to go independently, without
having to schedule a pick-up and take time out of a sighted
person's life to have them drive us somewhere? Yes, the current
system works, but this is the key question here: why not? If the
technology is currently available that would allow a blind person
to drive a car independently, and a major engineering department
of a major university (namely the Robotics and Mechanisms Lab, or
RoMeLa, at Virginia Tech) believes it can be done and is
currently working with us to make the challenge a reality, why
not take advantage of that technology and that belief in the
feasibility of our dream? Why not change the system so we're even
more independent? Why can't we drive a car? This concept is why
the newsletter of the Jernigan Institute is entitled
"Imagineering our Future" (key word, imagineering, which is a
compound term invented by Disney, which combines the words
"imagine" and "engineering") and the fundraising arm of the
Federation is called the NFB Imagination Fund.  Both of these
titles symbolize a concept that is at the core of the Federation
philosophy; imagination.  Not only do we want to get rid of the
failed systems of the past, but once we find a system that still
leaves us somewhat dependent on sighted assistance, we still ask
ourselves: how can we make this system better so that we may be
even more independent in whatever area it is? This is the driving
force behind the Blind Driver Challenge and of the Jernigan
Institute, and of the Federation as a whole, as I see it.  My
friend Nathan tells me that Mark Riccobono is on this list, but
I've never seen him post to it.  So Mark, if you have any
thoughts on mine and Carly's comments on the Blind Driver
Challenge and the Jernigan Institute, please share them with us,
as you are an expert on the subjects in question.  Anyone else is
also free to leave their thoughts!

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


Good afternoon, Ariell,

         For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our
community is
so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge.  What blind
person
that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of will
choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI,
benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's
working, why change it?
But essentially, I am in agreement.  How are sexy flash bulbs
going to
say anything about us when someone need only peruse our ,
employment
statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts?
are
so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic, primarily
I
imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful
experience
though we have ample   training and more than sufficient,
personal drive.

the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking.  As a
blind
person I wouldn't want to drive.  Let someone else do that.  just
as it
has always been.
How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license if
we
don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
for today,
Car I completely agree.  I really think that NFB should put more
effort
into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e.
food
service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much
on
the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
kiosks.  Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group is
unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in
the
working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom"
before we
can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or
engineers.
That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike.  If we don't
gain
access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain
the
basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing
competitive
full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before?
How
will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
assistance when we are in college?
The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs
are
flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
question their practical utility.  I think that before we can
really
become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the
most
basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level jobs,
educational materials, public transportation, etc.  Making
McDonald's
jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the
Blind
Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our
unemployment
rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out
that
extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job
interviews
later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of
beginning
jobs as our sighted peers.  And only if we fix these
long-standing
employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and Target
have
to offer us.
I'm curious what others think.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
  VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message.  Will
try and find
out by the end of next week

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so
forth.
Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the
investment
would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a
device was

your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc.  Rehab agency would
purchase it.
David

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Hope Paulos
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello all.  I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an
accessible
cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities.  The
only problem
is
they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks.  So in
order for
an
employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the
adaptive
equipment.  I can try and find out the name and brand  of the
register  if
anyone is interested.
Hope Paulos
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


Hello.
Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would
open up
more jobs for blind workers.  As for identifying currency, some
sort of
efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion.  The honor
system
wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
David Bouchard

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Vejas,
Yes in NFB activities its different.  But when you are dealing
with the
general public in the stores, it's a different story

-----Original Message-----
From: vejas
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
us, as they know our situation.
Vejas


----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
before.
It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
be
willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
giving the
right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
who can
take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
because
most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to
us.
Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long
it
takes to process each image.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
currency and see
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
the quantity
and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
purchases.  It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
controls.  But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
needed to be a
blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
see
merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
looking for
customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,

I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
job in
communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
assistant.
But not many employers are hiring.

To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
jobs
that are flexible and part time.


So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
I
thought of customer service representative or working the mall
at
guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
public.

So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
very
accessible?
For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
matter of
finding that job opening.

What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
theater?
or maybe box office?

I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
Babysitting is
part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
the
sole supervisor of them.

Thanks.
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 04:11:49 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:11:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Hi Ashley,
I'm sure a blind person could be a dishwasher. But have any of us
actually done it? The problem is that many blind youth don't even
apply for these kinds of jobs because they get the message that none
of the jobs their friends are getting are accessible and that they
should just take the jobs offered them by their VR counselors or
summer programs they attend. I didn't have a VR counselor until the
end of college but I also suffered from similar thinking.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> But Chris,
> A car for the blind will be more expensive than a regular car; and be out of
> the price range of most blind people. Lets get entry level jobs before
> trying to drive.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:30 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hi Carly,
>
> The only thing I will disagree with you on is the Blind Driver
> Challenge.  Yes, the Federation is big on keeping what works, but
> we are also big on increasing the independence of blind people in
> whatever way we can and utilizing whatever technology/resources
> are available to us, especially after the opening of the Jernigan
> Institute.  Currently, we have to rely on a sighted person
> (either in the form of a hired driver, a friend/family member, or
> a public transportation driver) to drive us to wherever we
> need/want to go all the time.  But wouldn't we increase our own
> independence greatly if we were able to drive a car
> independently, just as sighted people do? Wouldn't it be
> liberating to, as a sighted person can do, be able to get in a
> car and drive to wherever we want to go independently, without
> having to schedule a pick-up and take time out of a sighted
> person's life to have them drive us somewhere? Yes, the current
> system works, but this is the key question here: why not? If the
> technology is currently available that would allow a blind person
> to drive a car independently, and a major engineering department
> of a major university (namely the Robotics and Mechanisms Lab, or
> RoMeLa, at Virginia Tech) believes it can be done and is
> currently working with us to make the challenge a reality, why
> not take advantage of that technology and that belief in the
> feasibility of our dream? Why not change the system so we're even
> more independent? Why can't we drive a car? This concept is why
> the newsletter of the Jernigan Institute is entitled
> "Imagineering our Future" (key word, imagineering, which is a
> compound term invented by Disney, which combines the words
> "imagine" and "engineering") and the fundraising arm of the
> Federation is called the NFB Imagination Fund.  Both of these
> titles symbolize a concept that is at the core of the Federation
> philosophy; imagination.  Not only do we want to get rid of the
> failed systems of the past, but once we find a system that still
> leaves us somewhat dependent on sighted assistance, we still ask
> ourselves: how can we make this system better so that we may be
> even more independent in whatever area it is? This is the driving
> force behind the Blind Driver Challenge and of the Jernigan
> Institute, and of the Federation as a whole, as I see it.  My
> friend Nathan tells me that Mark Riccobono is on this list, but
> I've never seen him post to it.  So Mark, if you have any
> thoughts on mine and Carly's comments on the Blind Driver
> Challenge and the Jernigan Institute, please share them with us,
> as you are an expert on the subjects in question.  Anyone else is
> also free to leave their thoughts!
>
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
> Good afternoon, Ariell,
>
>          For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our
> community is
> so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge.  What blind
> person
> that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of will
> choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI,
> benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
> I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's
> working, why change it?
> But essentially, I am in agreement.  How are sexy flash bulbs
> going to
> say anything about us when someone need only peruse our ,
> employment
> statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts?
> are
> so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic, primarily
> I
> imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful
> experience
> though we have ample   training and more than sufficient,
> personal drive.
>
> the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking.  As a
> blind
> person I wouldn't want to drive.  Let someone else do that.  just
> as it
> has always been.
> How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license if
> we
> don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
> for today,
> Car I completely agree.  I really think that NFB should put more
> effort
> into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e.
> food
> service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much
> on
> the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
> kiosks.  Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group is
> unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in
> the
> working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom"
> before we
> can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or
> engineers.
> That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike.  If we don't
> gain
> access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain
> the
> basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing
> competitive
> full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before?
> How
> will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
> assistance when we are in college?
> The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs
> are
> flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
> question their practical utility.  I think that before we can
> really
> become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the
> most
> basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level jobs,
> educational materials, public transportation, etc.  Making
> McDonald's
> jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the
> Blind
> Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our
> unemployment
> rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out
> that
> extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job
> interviews
> later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of
> beginning
> jobs as our sighted peers.  And only if we fix these
> long-standing
> employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and Target
> have
> to offer us.
> I'm curious what others think.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>   VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message.  Will
> try and find
> out by the end of next week
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
> I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so
> forth.
> Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the
> investment
> would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a
> device was
>
> your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc.  Rehab agency would
> purchase it.
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Hope Paulos
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hello all.  I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an
> accessible
> cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities.  The
> only problem
> is
> they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks.  So in
> order for
> an
> employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the
> adaptive
> equipment.  I can try and find out the name and brand  of the
> register  if
> anyone is interested.
> Hope Paulos
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
> Hello.
> Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
> processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would
> open up
> more jobs for blind workers.  As for identifying currency, some
> sort of
> efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion.  The honor
> system
> wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
> David Bouchard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Vejas,
> Yes in NFB activities its different.  But when you are dealing
> with the
> general public in the stores, it's a different story
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vejas
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
> identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
> Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
> us, as they know our situation.
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
> before.
> It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
> be
> willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
> giving the
> right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
> who can
> take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
> because
> most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to
> us.
> Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long
> it
> takes to process each image.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
> currency and see
> the screen.
> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hello.
> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
> Since it
> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
> the quantity
> and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
> is learn the
> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
> receipts,
> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
> purchases.  It
> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
> are
> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
> controls.  But
> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
> correctly to be
> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
> needed to be a
> blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.
>
> Cheers,
> Humberto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
> see
> merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
> looking for
> customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
> cashiers; we
> can't do that.
>
> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hi Ashley,
> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
> jobs sound
> like they would be totally accessible.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
> job in
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
> assistant.
> But not many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
> jobs
> that are flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
> I
> thought of customer service representative or working the mall
> at
> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
> public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
> very
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
> matter of
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
> theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
> Babysitting is
> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
> the
> sole supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 04:25:05 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:25:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state
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Hi Ashley,
I think the first step will be identifying a specific out-of-state
center that you want to attend. Then, once you've identified the
center you want, you can base your argument on specific things they do
at the center you are choosing that are better than what is provided
at the center you attended previously. If you just tell your counselor
that you want more training, they will try to steer you toward an
in-state or in-contract center. So do your research and look for
centers that you think would cater to your specific O&M, independent
living and computer skills needs.
There are some state-run centers that have good reputations and are
staffed by a mix of NFB and non-NFB members. For example, I have heard
good things about the state centers in Nebraska, New Mexico and Utah.
Also, I believe you attended the Carroll center, right? There is
another center in Richmond, VA that is now directed by a Federationist
(Melody Lindsay I believe) but they have a mix of NFB and traditional
practices. I would suggest calling up the directors of a few different
centers and asking some detailed questions about how the curriculum is
set up, what students typically achieve by the time of graduation etc.
so you can gauge what their expectations are and what their teaching
style is.
Finally, I would recommend speaking with the director of at least one
of the NFB centers before ruling them out altogether. You may have
done this already, but if you haven't, it's possible that you may not
have a complete understanding of how skills are taught at the NFB
centers, so talking with either a center director or with center
graduates could be helpful. If you would like to pose any specific
questions about the NFB centers on-list, we would be happy to answer
them. One thing to keep in mind is that the NFB centers work with some
students who are very poor travelers and have a lot of trouble with
spatial awareness when they come in. While these people do struggle
with the structured-discovery method at first, from what I've observed
they do end up being better travelers by the time they leave than when
they come in, which is really the goal of any training program. With
cooking at the NFB centers, students have to do the entire project
themselves-from finding and retrieving ingredients at the beginning to
cleanup at the end-which is different from the group cooking projects
that you described.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I come from an overprotective family and did not learn the living skills at
> the same time as my peers or sighted brothers. My parents seemed to feel it
> was easier to do something than teach me what to do. I was supported well
> for academics but not living skills. I was encouraged to keep up with
> reading in the summer and like all kids I watched kids educational TV like
> Sesemee street. I still remember Elmo and Ernie; they were cute!
>
> I grew up in a white middle class family so fortunately my parents bought me
> many toys and educational materials throughout  my childhood/youth. The
> major things we got paid for via the lions club or the department for the
> blind and vision impaired, DBVI, when I was a teen. But they bought many
> supplies and talking products for me and some were daily life functional too
> including bold line paper, braille paper, labeling tape, labeling dots, a
> talking calculator, talking timer, and a braille embosser and more.
>
> However it wasn’t til a rehab teacher came to us as a teenager that I
> learned some basic kitchen stuff and how to cut food. For instance, I
> learned to do my laundry and make cereal and label with dymo tape at this
> point.
>
> Now to my point. I mention this stuff for some context where I am as a young
> adult. I attended our state center and did learn some more, but it was not
> enough. They do not give you the core classes every day. The instruction in
> daily living was fine, in my opinion, but simply was not enough and besides
> I lack confidence. I had a cooking teacher who was not hands on enough for
> me. If the whole class makes one thing, that doesn’t help me learn. I need
> to do it to learn it meaning I need to do all steps in making a cake to
> understand how its done. Instead, we took turns doing the steps to make one
> product. The computer instruction was too basic and I asked for more
> intermediate skills and they said they wouldn’t cover it; not in their
> curriculum. The instruction was fine for a beginner though. Their lessons
> gave you lots of repetition and practice.
>
> I am contemplating another center; I’ll admit I do not feel a NFB center is
> for me.
> I just feel the structured discovery approach would not work; I want a more
> hands on and explicit approach.
>
>
> So here is the thing.
> How do you convince rehab you need training? What if you have a lot of
> skills? I use them regularly in school; I’m taking writing classes next
> spring at community college to finish a certificate.
> I use my computer skills of word processing and research for school. I used
> the computer to look for work and generate cover letters. Still I need more
> such as learning excell though.
> I already learned braille, labeling, and organization in school and through
> a rehab teacher.
> I also use a cane and know some O&M although I could improve there too.
>
> How do you convince them especially when you have some skills? What if they
> say, Ashley we can send a rehab teacher to your house. But the rehab teacher
> in my area won’t work due to her low expectations and she’s a heavy smoker.
>
> I know home teaching will be their reaction because most skills revolve
> around cooking, cleaning, home maintenance, clothing care like ironing and
> other home tasks.
> What if they say go back to the state center. Of course I don’t want that.
>
> I don’t know if I want to go or not yet. Again, I’m brainstorming and
> preparing possible arguments while I have time so I’m ready if I decide time
> is right. Next semester I’ll be at Nova, community college, though; I’m
> finishing a certificate and taking an elective, probably public speaking, to
> further my business skills.
>
>
>
> Even though I won’t do a NFB center, I want to go out of state, so
> justifying is about the same process. But if you justified it and won to go
> out of state at a NFB center, I figured some of the same principles can
> apply elsewhere to exercise informed choice.
>
> Ashley
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 24 04:32:19 2011
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:32:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state
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What state do you live in.  Pleaes email me since I may be able to help.  I am currenttly doing something similar.  
 william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com
Please put state rehab in message subject.
Have a good evening.
 
-William O'Donnell--
 

> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:30:16 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I come from an overprotective family and did not learn the living skills at the same time as my peers or sighted brothers. My parents seemed to feel it was easier to do something than teach me what to do. I was supported well for academics but not living skills. I was encouraged to keep up with reading in the summer and like all kids I watched kids educational TV like Sesemee street. I still remember Elmo and Ernie; they were cute!
> 
> I grew up in a white middle class family so fortunately my parents bought me many toys and educational materials throughout my childhood/youth. The major things we got paid for via the lions club or the department for the blind and vision impaired, DBVI, when I was a teen. But they bought many supplies and talking products for me and some were daily life functional too including bold line paper, braille paper, labeling tape, labeling dots, a talking calculator, talking timer, and a braille embosser and more. 
> 
> However it wasn’t til a rehab teacher came to us as a teenager that I learned some basic kitchen stuff and how to cut food. For instance, I learned to do my laundry and make cereal and label with dymo tape at this point.
> 
> Now to my point. I mention this stuff for some context where I am as a young adult. I attended our state center and did learn some more, but it was not enough. They do not give you the core classes every day. The instruction in daily living was fine, in my opinion, but simply was not enough and besides I lack confidence. I had a cooking teacher who was not hands on enough for me. If the whole class makes one thing, that doesn’t help me learn. I need to do it to learn it meaning I need to do all steps in making a cake to understand how its done. Instead, we took turns doing the steps to make one product. The computer instruction was too basic and I asked for more intermediate skills and they said they wouldn’t cover it; not in their curriculum. The instruction was fine for a beginner though. Their lessons gave you lots of repetition and practice.
> 
> I am contemplating another center; I’ll admit I do not feel a NFB center is for me.
> I just feel the structured discovery approach would not work; I want a more hands on and explicit approach.
> 
> 
> So here is the thing.
> How do you convince rehab you need training? What if you have a lot of skills? I use them regularly in school; I’m taking writing classes next spring at community college to finish a certificate.
> I use my computer skills of word processing and research for school. I used the computer to look for work and generate cover letters. Still I need more such as learning excell though.
> I already learned braille, labeling, and organization in school and through a rehab teacher.
> I also use a cane and know some O&M although I could improve there too.
> 
> How do you convince them especially when you have some skills? What if they say, Ashley we can send a rehab teacher to your house. But the rehab teacher in my area won’t work due to her low expectations and she’s a heavy smoker.
> 
> I know home teaching will be their reaction because most skills revolve around cooking, cleaning, home maintenance, clothing care like ironing and other home tasks. 
> What if they say go back to the state center. Of course I don’t want that.
> 
> I don’t know if I want to go or not yet. Again, I’m brainstorming and preparing possible arguments while I have time so I’m ready if I decide time is right. Next semester I’ll be at Nova, community college, though; I’m finishing a certificate and taking an elective, probably public speaking, to further my business skills.
> 
> 
> 
> Even though I won’t do a NFB center, I want to go out of state, so justifying is about the same process. But if you justified it and won to go out of state at a NFB center, I figured some of the same principles can apply elsewhere to exercise informed choice.
> 
> Ashley
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 24 05:06:23 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:06:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary airs on
	PBS
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I have no idea who produced this documentary, or what will be present in
terms of information. I won't judge this film without seeing it,
however, I have to point out that many, many other people have been
instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the NFB is but one
organization. Because a group like the Federation focuses solely on one
disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist out there.

Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned when discussing
rights for those with disabilities. He started the entire independent
living movement, and he's the first person to establish independent
living centers for those with disabilities. Roberts was diagnosed with
Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body from the neck down
except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron lung most his life.
Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on disability,
spurring others to get on board with accepting disability as a part of
life. He is known for saying "differently able," it was Roberts who
initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people with disabilities
could travel with whatever accomodations necessary especially those
using wheelchairs.

The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to students with
disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges around the
country, was headed by Ed Roberts. Because of this guy who few actually
know of, students with disabilities are offered services on their
respective campuses. Schools lacking stellar services should be ashamed
because that was never Roberts idea of quality services. Berkley has one
of, if not thee, best disability services in the country.

So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot and is certainly
a powerful, important organization, double check facts. No pun intended,
but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of disability in general.
The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for blindness alone,
but in terms of the disability rights movement as a whole, many have
come before, and many are still around.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights
	Documentary	Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
October 27
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That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems how Jacobus 
tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement through his 
scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is probably one of 
the strongest in the overall Disability Rights Movement.

And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will be available 
online as I don't have a television?.

Respectfully,
Jedi



From carlymih at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 05:11:37 2011
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:11:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Hi, Chris,

         You didn't even address a feasibility of all blind folk 
having the same means with which to "drive" themselves too and fro.

Without knowing all that much about the challenge, I am sure this 
bizarre technology being employed to facilitate blind people driving 
will not be within the means of all blind people. How is such a 
technology so significant if it doesn't benefit all blind folk?
Who determines which blind people are worthy of the means to drive? 
'Sounds like another source of division amungst us. It sounds like a 
destraction when we really oughta be increasing our employment.
What do you think?
for today,
Car
Would you even wanna drive and how 'bout those employment 
stats?23/2011, you wrote:
>Hi Carly,
>
>The only thing I will disagree with you on is the Blind Driver 
>Challenge.  Yes, the Federation is big on keeping what works, but we 
>are also big on increasing the independence of blind people in 
>whatever way we can and utilizing whatever technology/resources are 
>available to us, especially after the opening of the Jernigan 
>Institute.  Currently, we have to rely on a sighted person (either 
>in the form of a hired driver, a friend/family member, or a public 
>transportation driver) to drive us to wherever we need/want to go 
>all the time.  But wouldn't we increase our own independence greatly 
>if we were able to drive a car independently, just as sighted people 
>do? Wouldn't it be liberating to, as a sighted person can do, be 
>able to get in a car and drive to wherever we want to go 
>independently, without having to schedule a pick-up and take time 
>out of a sighted person's life to have them drive us somewhere? Yes, 
>the current system works, but this is the key question here: why 
>not? If the technology is currently available that would allow a 
>blind person to drive a car independently, and a major engineering 
>department of a major university (namely the Robotics and Mechanisms 
>Lab, or RoMeLa, at Virginia Tech) believes it can be done and is 
>currently working with us to make the challenge a reality, why not 
>take advantage of that technology and that belief in the feasibility 
>of our dream? Why not change the system so we're even more 
>independent? Why can't we drive a car? This concept is why the 
>newsletter of the Jernigan Institute is entitled "Imagineering our 
>Future" (key word, imagineering, which is a compound term invented 
>by Disney, which combines the words "imagine" and "engineering") and 
>the fundraising arm of the Federation is called the NFB Imagination 
>Fund.  Both of these titles symbolize a concept that is at the core 
>of the Federation philosophy; imagination.  Not only do we want to 
>get rid of the failed systems of the past, but once we find a system 
>that still leaves us somewhat dependent on sighted assistance, we 
>still ask ourselves: how can we make this system better so that we 
>may be even more independent in whatever area it is? This is the 
>driving force behind the Blind Driver Challenge and of the Jernigan 
>Institute, and of the Federation as a whole, as I see it.  My friend 
>Nathan tells me that Mark Riccobono is on this list, but I've never 
>seen him post to it.  So Mark, if you have any thoughts on mine and 
>Carly's comments on the Blind Driver Challenge and the Jernigan 
>Institute, please share them with us, as you are an expert on the 
>subjects in question.  Anyone else is also free to leave their thoughts!
>
>Chris
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
>Good afternoon, Ariell,
>
>         For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our community is
>so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge.  What blind person
>that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of will
>choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI,
>benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
>I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's
>working, why change it?
>But essentially, I am in agreement.  How are sexy flash bulbs going to
>say anything about us when someone need only peruse our , employment
>statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts? are
>so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic, primarily I
>imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful experience
>though we have ample   training and more than sufficient, personal drive.
>
>the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking.  As a blind
>person I wouldn't want to drive.  Let someone else do that.  just as it
>has always been.
>How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license if we
>don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
>for today,
>Car I completely agree.  I really think that NFB should put more effort
>into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e.
>food
>service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much on
>the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
>kiosks.  Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group is
>unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in the
>working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom" before we
>can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or engineers.
>That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike.  If we don't gain
>access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain the
>basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing competitive
>full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before? How
>will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
>assistance when we are in college?
>The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs are
>flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
>question their practical utility.  I think that before we can really
>become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the most
>basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level jobs,
>educational materials, public transportation, etc.  Making McDonald's
>jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the Blind
>Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our unemployment
>rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out that
>extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job interviews
>later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of beginning
>jobs as our sighted peers.  And only if we fix these long-standing
>employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and Target have
>to offer us.
>I'm curious what others think.
>Best,
>Arielle
>
>On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>  VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message.  Will try and find
>out by the end of next week
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
>I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so forth.
>Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the investment
>would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a device was
>
>your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc.  Rehab agency would purchase it.
>David
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Hope Paulos
>Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>Hello all.  I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an accessible
>cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities.  The only problem
>is
>they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks.  So in order for
>an
>employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the adaptive
>equipment.  I can try and find out the name and brand  of the register  if
>anyone is interested.
>Hope Paulos
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
>Hello.
>Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
>processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would open up
>more jobs for blind workers.  As for identifying currency, some sort of
>efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion.  The honor system
>wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
>David Bouchard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>Vejas,
>Yes in NFB activities its different.  But when you are dealing with the
>general public in the stores, it's a different story
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vejas
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
>identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
>Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
>us, as they know our situation.
>Vejas
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
>before.
>It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
>be
>willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
>giving the
>right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
>who can
>take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
>because
>most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
>Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
>takes to process each image.
>Best,
>Arielle
>
>On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
>currency and see
>the screen.
>You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Humberto Avila
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>Hello.
>I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
>Since it
>involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
>the quantity
>and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
>is learn the
>layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
>receipts,
>cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
>purchases.  It
>does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
>are
>touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
>controls.  But
>otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
>correctly to be
>able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
>needed to be a
>blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.
>
>Cheers,
>Humberto
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Ashley Bramlett
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
>see
>merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
>looking for
>customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
>cashiers; we
>can't do that.
>
>I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
>customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Arielle Silverman
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>Hi Ashley,
>What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
>I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
>jobs sound
>like they would be totally accessible.
>Best,
>Arielle
>
>On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
>job in
>communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
>assistant.
>But not many employers are hiring.
>
>To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
>server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
>jobs
>that are flexible and part time.
>
>
>So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
>I
>thought of customer service representative or working the mall
>at
>guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
>public.
>
>So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
>very
>accessible?
>For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
>matter of
>finding that job opening.
>
>What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
>theater?
>or maybe box office?
>
>I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
>Babysitting is
>part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
>the
>sole supervisor of them.
>
>Thanks.
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 05:25:08 2011
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:25:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary airs
 on PBS
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Hi, Bridgit,

Here in Berkeley, we have the Ed Roberts Campus, which is designed to 
be this one-stop shop for agencies serving folk with disability. I 
have noticed that, though they spent tons of cash on this building 
which is all sup'd up for chairs, it is really inaccessible for folk 
who are blind. In the ERC's defense, It seems no easy feat to make 
the same facility accessable for both blind folks as well as chairs. 
This must be because our needs and abilities are so divergent.
Today, they are having problems making this building named for this 
disability pioneer, a meaningful, presence in the disability 
community.however, I have to point out that many, many other people have been
>instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the NFB is but one
>organization. Because a group like the Federation focuses solely on one
>disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist out there.
>
>Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned when discussing
>rights for those with disabilities. He started the entire independent
>living movement, and he's the first person to establish independent
>living centers for those with disabilities. Roberts was diagnosed with
>Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body from the neck down
>except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron lung most his life.
>Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on disability,
>spurring others to get on board with accepting disability as a part of
>life. He is known for saying "differently able," it was Roberts who
>initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people with disabilities
>could travel with whatever accomodations necessary especially those
>using wheelchairs.
>
>The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to students with
>disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges around the
>country, was headed by Ed Roberts. Because of this guy who few actually
>know of, students with disabilities are offered services on their
>respective campuses. Schools lacking stellar services should be ashamed
>because that was never Roberts idea of quality services. Berkley has one
>of, if not thee, best disability services in the country.
>
>So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot and is certainly
>a powerful, important organization, double check facts. No pun intended,
>but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of disability in general.
>The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for blindness alone,
>but in terms of the disability rights movement as a whole, many have
>come before, and many are still around.
>
>Sincerely,
>Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>Read my blog at:
>http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
>"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
>From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights
>         Documentary     Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
>October 27
>Message-ID: b9626ff6-e05b-419d-9ef1-2d8812f5fc58 at samobile.net
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed"
>
>That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems how Jacobus
>tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement through his
>scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is probably one of
>the strongest in the overall Disability Rights Movement.
>
>And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will be available
>online as I don't have a television?.
>
>Respectfully,
>Jedi
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 12:46:07 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:46:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
Message-ID: <4ea55e1c.0557650a.088e.6d19@mx.google.com>

I agree, Arielle! What entry level jobs do we speak of here? What 
entry-level jobs should we make accessible before trying to 
drive? I'm sure blind people have worked in some entry-level 
positions before.

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:11:49 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
I'm sure a blind person could be a dishwasher.  But have any of 
us
actually done it? The problem is that many blind youth don't even
apply for these kinds of jobs because they get the message that 
none
of the jobs their friends are getting are accessible and that 
they
should just take the jobs offered them by their VR counselors or
summer programs they attend.  I didn't have a VR counselor until 
the
end of college but I also suffered from similar thinking.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 But Chris,
 A car for the blind will be more expensive than a regular car; 
and be out of
 the price range of most blind people.  Lets get entry level jobs 
before
 trying to drive.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Chris Nusbaum
 Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:30 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Hi Carly,

 The only thing I will disagree with you on is the Blind Driver
 Challenge.  Yes, the Federation is big on keeping what works, 
but
 we are also big on increasing the independence of blind people 
in
 whatever way we can and utilizing whatever technology/resources
 are available to us, especially after the opening of the 
Jernigan
 Institute.  Currently, we have to rely on a sighted person
 (either in the form of a hired driver, a friend/family member, 
or
 a public transportation driver) to drive us to wherever we
 need/want to go all the time.  But wouldn't we increase our own
 independence greatly if we were able to drive a car
 independently, just as sighted people do? Wouldn't it be
 liberating to, as a sighted person can do, be able to get in a
 car and drive to wherever we want to go independently, without
 having to schedule a pick-up and take time out of a sighted
 person's life to have them drive us somewhere? Yes, the current
 system works, but this is the key question here: why not? If the
 technology is currently available that would allow a blind 
person
 to drive a car independently, and a major engineering department
 of a major university (namely the Robotics and Mechanisms Lab, 
or
 RoMeLa, at Virginia Tech) believes it can be done and is
 currently working with us to make the challenge a reality, why
 not take advantage of that technology and that belief in the
 feasibility of our dream? Why not change the system so we're 
even
 more independent? Why can't we drive a car? This concept is why
 the newsletter of the Jernigan Institute is entitled
 "Imagineering our Future" (key word, imagineering, which is a
 compound term invented by Disney, which combines the words
 "imagine" and "engineering") and the fundraising arm of the
 Federation is called the NFB Imagination Fund.  Both of these
 titles symbolize a concept that is at the core of the Federation
 philosophy; imagination.  Not only do we want to get rid of the
 failed systems of the past, but once we find a system that still
 leaves us somewhat dependent on sighted assistance, we still ask
 ourselves: how can we make this system better so that we may be
 even more independent in whatever area it is? This is the 
driving
 force behind the Blind Driver Challenge and of the Jernigan
 Institute, and of the Federation as a whole, as I see it.  My
 friend Nathan tells me that Mark Riccobono is on this list, but
 I've never seen him post to it.  So Mark, if you have any
 thoughts on mine and Carly's comments on the Blind Driver
 Challenge and the Jernigan Institute, please share them with us,
 as you are an expert on the subjects in question.  Anyone else 
is
 also free to leave their thoughts!

 Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


 Good afternoon, Ariell,

          For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our
 community is
 so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge.  What blind
 person
 that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of 
will
 choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI,
 benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
 I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's
 working, why change it?
 But essentially, I am in agreement.  How are sexy flash bulbs
 going to
 say anything about us when someone need only peruse our ,
 employment
 statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts?
 are
 so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic, 
primarily
 I
 imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful
 experience
 though we have ample   training and more than sufficient,
 personal drive.

 the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking.  As a
 blind
 person I wouldn't want to drive.  Let someone else do that.  
just
 as it
 has always been.
 How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license 
if
 we
 don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
 for today,
 Car I completely agree.  I really think that NFB should put more
 effort
 into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e.
 food
 service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much
 on
 the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
 kiosks.  Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group 
is
 unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in
 the
 working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom"
 before we
 can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or
 engineers.
 That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike.  If we 
don't
 gain
 access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain
 the
 basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing
 competitive
 full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before?
 How
 will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
 assistance when we are in college?
 The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs
 are
 flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
 question their practical utility.  I think that before we can
 really
 become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the
 most
 basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level 
jobs,
 educational materials, public transportation, etc.  Making
 McDonald's
 jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the
 Blind
 Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our
 unemployment
 rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out
 that
 extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job
 interviews
 later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of
 beginning
 jobs as our sighted peers.  And only if we fix these
 long-standing
 employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and 
Target
 have
 to offer us.
 I'm curious what others think.
 Best,
 Arielle

 On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
   VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message.  Will
 try and find
 out by the end of next week

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
 To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


 I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so
 forth.
 Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the
 investment
 would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a
 device was

 your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc.  Rehab agency would
 purchase it.
 David

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf Of Hope Paulos
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Hello all.  I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an
 accessible
 cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities.  The
 only problem
 is
 they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks.  So in
 order for
 an
 employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the
 adaptive
 equipment.  I can try and find out the name and brand  of the
 register  if
 anyone is interested.
 Hope Paulos
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
 To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


 Hello.
 Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
 processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would
 open up
 more jobs for blind workers.  As for identifying currency, some
 sort of
 efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion.  The honor
 system
 wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
 David Bouchard

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Vejas,
 Yes in NFB activities its different.  But when you are dealing
 with the
 general public in the stores, it's a different story

 -----Original Message-----
 From: vejas
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
 identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
 Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
 us, as they know our situation.
 Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
 before.
 It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
 be
 willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
 giving the
 right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
 who can
 take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
 because
 most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to
 us.
 Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long
 it
 takes to process each image.
 Best,
 Arielle

 On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
 currency and see
 the screen.
 You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Humberto Avila
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Hello.
 I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
 Since it
 involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
 the quantity
 and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
 is learn the
 layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
 receipts,
 cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
 purchases.  It
 does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
 are
 touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
 controls.  But
 otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
 correctly to be
 able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
 needed to be a
 blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

 Cheers,
 Humberto

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
 [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Ashley Bramlett
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
 see
 merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
 looking for
 customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
 cashiers; we
 can't do that.

 I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
 customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Arielle Silverman
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

 Hi Ashley,
 What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
 I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
 jobs sound
 like they would be totally accessible.
 Best,
 Arielle

 On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
 job in
 communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
 assistant.
 But not many employers are hiring.

 To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
 server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
 jobs
 that are flexible and part time.


 So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
 I
 thought of customer service representative or working the mall
 at
 guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
 public.

 So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
 very
 accessible?
 For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
 matter of
 finding that job opening.

 What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
 theater?
 or maybe box office?

 I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
 Babysitting is
 part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
 the
 sole supervisor of them.

 Thanks.
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 12:46:10 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:46:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state
Message-ID: <4ea55e1f.0557650a.088e.6d20@mx.google.com>

Amy=20Phelps,=20the=20programs=20director=20at=20BISM,=20is=20on=20this=20l=
ist.=20=20
Apparently,=20BISM=20is=20very=20good=20now.=20=20I=20didn't=20have=20a=20v=
ery=20good=20
experience=20when=20I=20went=20there=20when=20I=20was=20like=207,=20but=20I=
'm=20sure=20that=20
has=20changed=20with=20the=20change=20of=20directors.=20=20I=20have=20a=20f=
riend=20who=20
went=20to=20Blind=20Inc,=20but=20unfortunately=20isn't=20on=20this=20list.=
=20=20You=20can=20
contact=20him=20offlist=20at=20jaedpo96 at gmail.com,=20and=20his=20name=20is=
=20Jason.=20=20
Another=20friend=20of=20mine,=20Nathan=20Clark,=20who=20is=20on=20this=20li=
st,=20went=20
to=20Colorado=20a=20few=20times,=20and=20I'm=20planning=20to=20go=20to=20Co=
lorado=20next=20
year.

Chris

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Arielle=20Silverman=20<arielle71 at gmail.com
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2023=20Oct=202011=2022:25:05=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20justifying=20more=20rehab=20service=20out=20of=
=20state

Hi=20Ashley,
I=20think=20the=20first=20step=20will=20be=20identifying=20a=20specific=20
out-of-state
center=20that=20you=20want=20to=20attend.=20=20Then,=20once=20you've=20iden=
tified=20the
center=20you=20want,=20you=20can=20base=20your=20argument=20on=20specific=20=
things=20
they=20do
at=20the=20center=20you=20are=20choosing=20that=20are=20better=20than=20wha=
t=20is=20
provided
at=20the=20center=20you=20attended=20previously.=20=20If=20you=20just=20tel=
l=20your=20
counselor
that=20you=20want=20more=20training,=20they=20will=20try=20to=20steer=20you=
=20toward=20an
in-state=20or=20in-contract=20center.=20=20So=20do=20your=20research=20and=
=20look=20for
centers=20that=20you=20think=20would=20cater=20to=20your=20specific=20O&M,=
=20
independent
living=20and=20computer=20skills=20needs.
There=20are=20some=20state-run=20centers=20that=20have=20good=20reputations=
=20and=20
are
staffed=20by=20a=20mix=20of=20NFB=20and=20non-NFB=20members.=20=20For=20exa=
mple,=20I=20have=20
heard
good=20things=20about=20the=20state=20centers=20in=20Nebraska,=20New=20Mexi=
co=20and=20
Utah.
Also,=20I=20believe=20you=20attended=20the=20Carroll=20center,=20right?=20T=
here=20is
another=20center=20in=20Richmond,=20VA=20that=20is=20now=20directed=20by=20=
a=20
Federationist
(Melody=20Lindsay=20I=20believe)=20but=20they=20have=20a=20mix=20of=20NFB=20=
and=20
traditional
practices.=20=20I=20would=20suggest=20calling=20up=20the=20directors=20of=20=
a=20few=20
different
centers=20and=20asking=20some=20detailed=20questions=20about=20how=20the=20=

curriculum=20is
set=20up,=20what=20students=20typically=20achieve=20by=20the=20time=20of=20=
graduation=20
etc.
so=20you=20can=20gauge=20what=20their=20expectations=20are=20and=20what=20t=
heir=20
teaching
style=20is.
Finally,=20I=20would=20recommend=20speaking=20with=20the=20director=20of=20=
at=20least=20
one
of=20the=20NFB=20centers=20before=20ruling=20them=20out=20altogether.=20=20=
You=20may=20
have
done=20this=20already,=20but=20if=20you=20haven't,=20it's=20possible=20that=
=20you=20may=20
not
have=20a=20complete=20understanding=20of=20how=20skills=20are=20taught=20at=
=20the=20NFB
centers,=20so=20talking=20with=20either=20a=20center=20director=20or=20with=
=20center
graduates=20could=20be=20helpful.=20=20If=20you=20would=20like=20to=20pose=
=20any=20
specific
questions=20about=20the=20NFB=20centers=20on-list,=20we=20would=20be=20happ=
y=20to=20
answer
them.=20=20One=20thing=20to=20keep=20in=20mind=20is=20that=20the=20NFB=20ce=
nters=20work=20
with=20some
students=20who=20are=20very=20poor=20travelers=20and=20have=20a=20lot=20of=
=20trouble=20
with
spatial=20awareness=20when=20they=20come=20in.=20=20While=20these=20people=
=20do=20
struggle
with=20the=20structured-discovery=20method=20at=20first,=20from=20what=20I'=
ve=20
observed
they=20do=20end=20up=20being=20better=20travelers=20by=20the=20time=20they=
=20leave=20than=20
when
they=20come=20in,=20which=20is=20really=20the=20goal=20of=20any=20training=
=20program.=20=20
With
cooking=20at=20the=20NFB=20centers,=20students=20have=20to=20do=20the=20ent=
ire=20
project
themselves-from=20finding=20and=20retrieving=20ingredients=20at=20the=20
beginning=20to
cleanup=20at=20the=20end-which=20is=20different=20from=20the=20group=20cook=
ing=20
projects
that=20you=20described.
Best,
Arielle

On=2010/23/11,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>=20wrote:
=20Hi=20all,

=20I=20come=20from=20an=20overprotective=20family=20and=20did=20not=20learn=
=20the=20
living=20skills=20at
=20the=20same=20time=20as=20my=20peers=20or=20sighted=20brothers.=20=20My=20=
parents=20
seemed=20to=20feel=20it
=20was=20easier=20to=20do=20something=20than=20teach=20me=20what=20to=20do.=
=20=20I=20was=20
supported=20well
=20for=20academics=20but=20not=20living=20skills.=20=20I=20was=20encouraged=
=20to=20keep=20
up=20with
=20reading=20in=20the=20summer=20and=20like=20all=20kids=20I=20watched=20ki=
ds=20
educational=20TV=20like
=20Sesemee=20street.=20=20I=20still=20remember=20Elmo=20and=20Ernie;=20they=
=20were=20
cute!

=20I=20grew=20up=20in=20a=20white=20middle=20class=20family=20so=20fortunat=
ely=20my=20
parents=20bought=20me
=20many=20toys=20and=20educational=20materials=20throughout=20=20my=20
childhood/youth.=20=20The
=20major=20things=20we=20got=20paid=20for=20via=20the=20lions=20club=20or=20=
the=20
department=20for=20the
=20blind=20and=20vision=20impaired,=20DBVI,=20when=20I=20was=20a=20teen.=20=
=20But=20they=20
bought=20many
=20supplies=20and=20talking=20products=20for=20me=20and=20some=20were=20dai=
ly=20life=20
functional=20too
=20including=20bold=20line=20paper,=20braille=20paper,=20labeling=20tape,=20=

labeling=20dots,=20a
=20talking=20calculator,=20talking=20timer,=20and=20a=20braille=20embosser=
=20and=20
more.

=20However=20it=20wasn=92t=20til=20a=20rehab=20teacher=20came=20to=20us=20a=
s=20a=20teenager=20
that=20I
=20learned=20some=20basic=20kitchen=20stuff=20and=20how=20to=20cut=20food.=
=20=20For=20
instance,=20I
=20learned=20to=20do=20my=20laundry=20and=20make=20cereal=20and=20label=20w=
ith=20dymo=20
tape=20at=20this
=20point.

=20Now=20to=20my=20point.=20=20I=20mention=20this=20stuff=20for=20some=20co=
ntext=20where=20I=20
am=20as=20a=20young
=20adult.=20=20I=20attended=20our=20state=20center=20and=20did=20learn=20so=
me=20more,=20but=20
it=20was=20not
=20enough.=20=20They=20do=20not=20give=20you=20the=20core=20classes=20every=
=20day.=20=20The=20
instruction=20in
=20daily=20living=20was=20fine,=20in=20my=20opinion,=20but=20simply=20was=20=
not=20enough=20
and=20besides
=20I=20lack=20confidence.=20=20I=20had=20a=20cooking=20teacher=20who=20was=
=20not=20hands=20on=20
enough=20for
=20me.=20=20If=20the=20whole=20class=20makes=20one=20thing,=20that=20doesn=
=92t=20help=20me=20
learn.=20=20I=20need
=20to=20do=20it=20to=20learn=20it=20meaning=20I=20need=20to=20do=20all=20st=
eps=20in=20making=20a=20
cake=20to
=20understand=20how=20its=20done.=20=20Instead,=20we=20took=20turns=20doing=
=20the=20steps=20
to=20make=20one
=20product.=20=20The=20computer=20instruction=20was=20too=20basic=20and=20I=
=20asked=20for=20
more
=20intermediate=20skills=20and=20they=20said=20they=20wouldn=92t=20cover=20=
it;=20not=20in=20
their
=20curriculum.=20=20The=20instruction=20was=20fine=20for=20a=20beginner=20t=
hough.=20=20
Their=20lessons
=20gave=20you=20lots=20of=20repetition=20and=20practice.

=20I=20am=20contemplating=20another=20center;=20I=92ll=20admit=20I=20do=20n=
ot=20feel=20a=20
NFB=20center=20is
=20for=20me.
=20I=20just=20feel=20the=20structured=20discovery=20approach=20would=20not=
=20work;=20I=20
want=20a=20more
=20hands=20on=20and=20explicit=20approach.


=20So=20here=20is=20the=20thing.
=20How=20do=20you=20convince=20rehab=20you=20need=20training?=20What=20if=20=
you=20have=20a=20
lot=20of
=20skills?=20I=20use=20them=20regularly=20in=20school;=20I=92m=20taking=20w=
riting=20
classes=20next
=20spring=20at=20community=20college=20to=20finish=20a=20certificate.
=20I=20use=20my=20computer=20skills=20of=20word=20processing=20and=20resear=
ch=20for=20
school.=20=20I=20used
=20the=20computer=20to=20look=20for=20work=20and=20generate=20cover=20lette=
rs.=20=20Still=20
I=20need=20more
=20such=20as=20learning=20excell=20though.
=20I=20already=20learned=20braille,=20labeling,=20and=20organization=20in=20=
school=20
and=20through
=20a=20rehab=20teacher.
=20I=20also=20use=20a=20cane=20and=20know=20some=20O&M=20although=20I=20cou=
ld=20improve=20
there=20too.

=20How=20do=20you=20convince=20them=20especially=20when=20you=20have=20some=
=20skills?=20
What=20if=20they
=20say,=20Ashley=20we=20can=20send=20a=20rehab=20teacher=20to=20your=20hous=
e.=20=20But=20the=20
rehab=20teacher
=20in=20my=20area=20won=92t=20work=20due=20to=20her=20low=20expectations=20=
and=20she=92s=20a=20
heavy=20smoker.

=20I=20know=20home=20teaching=20will=20be=20their=20reaction=20because=20mo=
st=20skills=20
revolve
=20around=20cooking,=20cleaning,=20home=20maintenance,=20clothing=20care=20=
like=20
ironing=20and
=20other=20home=20tasks.
=20What=20if=20they=20say=20go=20back=20to=20the=20state=20center.=20=20Of=
=20course=20I=20don=92t=20
want=20that.

=20I=20don=92t=20know=20if=20I=20want=20to=20go=20or=20not=20yet.=20=20Agai=
n,=20I=92m=20
brainstorming=20and
=20preparing=20possible=20arguments=20while=20I=20have=20time=20so=20I=92m=
=20ready=20if=20I=20
decide=20time
=20is=20right.=20=20Next=20semester=20I=92ll=20be=20at=20Nova,=20community=
=20college,=20
though;=20I=92m
=20finishing=20a=20certificate=20and=20taking=20an=20elective,=20probably=20=
public=20
speaking,=20to
=20further=20my=20business=20skills.



=20Even=20though=20I=20won=92t=20do=20a=20NFB=20center,=20I=20want=20to=20g=
o=20out=20of=20state,=20
so
=20justifying=20is=20about=20the=20same=20process.=20=20But=20if=20you=20ju=
stified=20it=20
and=20won=20to=20go
=20out=20of=20state=20at=20a=20NFB=20center,=20I=20figured=20some=20of=20th=
e=20same=20
principles=20can
=20apply=20elsewhere=20to=20exercise=20informed=20choice.

=20Ashley
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 15:55:25 2011
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:55:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state
In-Reply-To: <4ea55e1f.0557650a.088e.6d20@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4ea56052.6471340a.3a54.71ca@mx.google.com>

Yes BISM has a good adult program. I went and I feel that I learned so =
much
more than if I would have done what my clunselor wanted me to do wich =
was
have me attend both training centers in my state. I think I learned so =
much
more going threw the eight month program at BISM. While you can't be
prepaired for everything life puts in your way I know how to manage an
apartment as well as other tasks all at the same time. I really don't =
think
this would be possible if I had gone to both training centers in my =
state.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:46 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state

Amy Phelps, the programs director at BISM, is on this list. =20
Apparently, BISM is very good now.  I didn't have a very good=20
experience when I went there when I was like 7, but I'm sure that=20
has changed with the change of directors.  I have a friend who=20
went to Blind Inc, but unfortunately isn't on this list.  You can=20
contact him offlist at jaedpo96 at gmail.com, and his name is Jason. =20
Another friend of mine, Nathan Clark, who is on this list, went=20
to Colorado a few times, and I'm planning to go to Colorado next=20
year.

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:25:05 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state

Hi Ashley,
I think the first step will be identifying a specific=20
out-of-state
center that you want to attend.  Then, once you've identified the
center you want, you can base your argument on specific things=20
they do
at the center you are choosing that are better than what is=20
provided
at the center you attended previously.  If you just tell your=20
counselor
that you want more training, they will try to steer you toward an
in-state or in-contract center.  So do your research and look for
centers that you think would cater to your specific O&M,=20
independent
living and computer skills needs.
There are some state-run centers that have good reputations and=20
are
staffed by a mix of NFB and non-NFB members.  For example, I have=20
heard
good things about the state centers in Nebraska, New Mexico and=20
Utah.
Also, I believe you attended the Carroll center, right? There is
another center in Richmond, VA that is now directed by a=20
Federationist
(Melody Lindsay I believe) but they have a mix of NFB and=20
traditional
practices.  I would suggest calling up the directors of a few=20
different
centers and asking some detailed questions about how the=20
curriculum is
set up, what students typically achieve by the time of graduation=20
etc.
so you can gauge what their expectations are and what their=20
teaching
style is.
Finally, I would recommend speaking with the director of at least=20
one
of the NFB centers before ruling them out altogether.  You may=20
have
done this already, but if you haven't, it's possible that you may=20
not
have a complete understanding of how skills are taught at the NFB
centers, so talking with either a center director or with center
graduates could be helpful.  If you would like to pose any=20
specific
questions about the NFB centers on-list, we would be happy to=20
answer
them.  One thing to keep in mind is that the NFB centers work=20
with some
students who are very poor travelers and have a lot of trouble=20
with
spatial awareness when they come in.  While these people do=20
struggle
with the structured-discovery method at first, from what I've=20
observed
they do end up being better travelers by the time they leave than=20
when
they come in, which is really the goal of any training program. =20
With
cooking at the NFB centers, students have to do the entire=20
project
themselves-from finding and retrieving ingredients at the=20
beginning to
cleanup at the end-which is different from the group cooking=20
projects
that you described.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 I come from an overprotective family and did not learn the=20
living skills at
 the same time as my peers or sighted brothers.  My parents=20
seemed to feel it
 was easier to do something than teach me what to do.  I was=20
supported well
 for academics but not living skills.  I was encouraged to keep=20
up with
 reading in the summer and like all kids I watched kids=20
educational TV like
 Sesemee street.  I still remember Elmo and Ernie; they were=20
cute!

 I grew up in a white middle class family so fortunately my=20
parents bought me
 many toys and educational materials throughout  my=20
childhood/youth.  The
 major things we got paid for via the lions club or the=20
department for the
 blind and vision impaired, DBVI, when I was a teen.  But they=20
bought many
 supplies and talking products for me and some were daily life=20
functional too
 including bold line paper, braille paper, labeling tape,=20
labeling dots, a
 talking calculator, talking timer, and a braille embosser and=20
more.

 However it wasn=92t til a rehab teacher came to us as a teenager=20
that I
 learned some basic kitchen stuff and how to cut food.  For=20
instance, I
 learned to do my laundry and make cereal and label with dymo=20
tape at this
 point.

 Now to my point.  I mention this stuff for some context where I=20
am as a young
 adult.  I attended our state center and did learn some more, but=20
it was not
 enough.  They do not give you the core classes every day.  The=20
instruction in
 daily living was fine, in my opinion, but simply was not enough=20
and besides
 I lack confidence.  I had a cooking teacher who was not hands on=20
enough for
 me.  If the whole class makes one thing, that doesn=92t help me=20
learn.  I need
 to do it to learn it meaning I need to do all steps in making a=20
cake to
 understand how its done.  Instead, we took turns doing the steps=20
to make one
 product.  The computer instruction was too basic and I asked for=20
more
 intermediate skills and they said they wouldn=92t cover it; not in=20
their
 curriculum.  The instruction was fine for a beginner though. =20
Their lessons
 gave you lots of repetition and practice.

 I am contemplating another center; I=92ll admit I do not feel a=20
NFB center is
 for me.
 I just feel the structured discovery approach would not work; I=20
want a more
 hands on and explicit approach.


 So here is the thing.
 How do you convince rehab you need training? What if you have a=20
lot of
 skills? I use them regularly in school; I=92m taking writing=20
classes next
 spring at community college to finish a certificate.
 I use my computer skills of word processing and research for=20
school.  I used
 the computer to look for work and generate cover letters.  Still=20
I need more
 such as learning excell though.
 I already learned braille, labeling, and organization in school=20
and through
 a rehab teacher.
 I also use a cane and know some O&M although I could improve=20
there too.

 How do you convince them especially when you have some skills?=20
What if they
 say, Ashley we can send a rehab teacher to your house.  But the=20
rehab teacher
 in my area won=92t work due to her low expectations and she=92s a=20
heavy smoker.

 I know home teaching will be their reaction because most skills=20
revolve
 around cooking, cleaning, home maintenance, clothing care like=20
ironing and
 other home tasks.
 What if they say go back to the state center.  Of course I don=92t=20
want that.

 I don=92t know if I want to go or not yet.  Again, I=92m=20
brainstorming and
 preparing possible arguments while I have time so I=92m ready if I=20
decide time
 is right.  Next semester I=92ll be at Nova, community college,=20
though; I=92m
 finishing a certificate and taking an elective, probably public=20
speaking, to
 further my business skills.



 Even though I won=92t do a NFB center, I want to go out of state,=20
so
 justifying is about the same process.  But if you justified it=20
and won to go
 out of state at a NFB center, I figured some of the same=20
principles can
 apply elsewhere to exercise informed choice.

 Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 13:21:21 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
Message-ID: <4ea5665e.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29f@mx.google.com>

That is to be determined in the future, as the experts are still 
testing the car.  Go to blinddriverchallenge.org for more 
information!

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:11:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs



Hi, Chris,

         You didn't even address a feasibility of all blind folk
having the same means with which to "drive" themselves too and 
fro.

Without knowing all that much about the challenge, I am sure this
bizarre technology being employed to facilitate blind people 
driving
will not be within the means of all blind people.  How is such a
technology so significant if it doesn't benefit all blind folk?
Who determines which blind people are worthy of the means to 
drive?
'Sounds like another source of division amungst us.  It sounds 
like a
destraction when we really oughta be increasing our employment.
What do you think?
for today,
Car
Would you even wanna drive and how 'bout those employment
stats?23/2011, you wrote:
Hi Carly,

The only thing I will disagree with you on is the Blind Driver
Challenge.  Yes, the Federation is big on keeping what works, but 
we
are also big on increasing the independence of blind people in
whatever way we can and utilizing whatever technology/resources 
are
available to us, especially after the opening of the Jernigan
Institute.  Currently, we have to rely on a sighted person 
(either
in the form of a hired driver, a friend/family member, or a 
public
transportation driver) to drive us to wherever we need/want to go
all the time.  But wouldn't we increase our own independence 
greatly
if we were able to drive a car independently, just as sighted 
people
do? Wouldn't it be liberating to, as a sighted person can do, be
able to get in a car and drive to wherever we want to go
independently, without having to schedule a pick-up and take time
out of a sighted person's life to have them drive us somewhere? 
Yes,
the current system works, but this is the key question here: why
not? If the technology is currently available that would allow a
blind person to drive a car independently, and a major 
engineering
department of a major university (namely the Robotics and 
Mechanisms
Lab, or RoMeLa, at Virginia Tech) believes it can be done and is
currently working with us to make the challenge a reality, why 
not
take advantage of that technology and that belief in the 
feasibility
of our dream? Why not change the system so we're even more
independent? Why can't we drive a car? This concept is why the
newsletter of the Jernigan Institute is entitled "Imagineering 
our
Future" (key word, imagineering, which is a compound term 
invented
by Disney, which combines the words "imagine" and "engineering") 
and
the fundraising arm of the Federation is called the NFB 
Imagination
Fund.  Both of these titles symbolize a concept that is at the 
core
of the Federation philosophy; imagination.  Not only do we want 
to
get rid of the failed systems of the past, but once we find a 
system
that still leaves us somewhat dependent on sighted assistance, we
still ask ourselves: how can we make this system better so that 
we
may be even more independent in whatever area it is? This is the
driving force behind the Blind Driver Challenge and of the 
Jernigan
Institute, and of the Federation as a whole, as I see it.  My 
friend
Nathan tells me that Mark Riccobono is on this list, but I've 
never
seen him post to it.  So Mark, if you have any thoughts on mine 
and
Carly's comments on the Blind Driver Challenge and the Jernigan
Institute, please share them with us, as you are an expert on the
subjects in question.  Anyone else is also free to leave their 
thoughts!

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


Good afternoon, Ariell,

         For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our 
community is
so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge.  What blind 
person
that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of will
choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI,
benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's
working, why change it?
But essentially, I am in agreement.  How are sexy flash bulbs 
going to
say anything about us when someone need only peruse our , 
employment
statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts? 
are
so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic, primarily 
I
imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful 
experience
though we have ample   training and more than sufficient, 
personal drive.

the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking.  As a 
blind
person I wouldn't want to drive.  Let someone else do that.  just 
as it
has always been.
How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license if 
we
don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
for today,
Car I completely agree.  I really think that NFB should put more 
effort
into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e.
food
service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much 
on
the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
kiosks.  Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group is
unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in 
the
working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom" 
before we
can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or 
engineers.
That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike.  If we don't 
gain
access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain 
the
basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing 
competitive
full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before? 
How
will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
assistance when we are in college?
The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs 
are
flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
question their practical utility.  I think that before we can 
really
become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the 
most
basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level jobs,
educational materials, public transportation, etc.  Making 
McDonald's
jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the 
Blind
Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our 
unemployment
rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out 
that
extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job 
interviews
later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of 
beginning
jobs as our sighted peers.  And only if we fix these 
long-standing
employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and Target 
have
to offer us.
I'm curious what others think.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
  VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message.  Will 
try and find
out by the end of next week

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so 
forth.
Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the 
investment
would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a 
device was

your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc.  Rehab agency would 
purchase it.
David

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Hope Paulos
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello all.  I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an 
accessible
cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities.  The only 
problem
is
they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks.  So in 
order for
an
employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the 
adaptive
equipment.  I can try and find out the name and brand  of the 
register  if
anyone is interested.
Hope Paulos
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


Hello.
Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would 
open up
more jobs for blind workers.  As for identifying currency, some 
sort of
efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion.  The honor 
system
wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
David Bouchard

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Vejas,
Yes in NFB activities its different.  But when you are dealing 
with the
general public in the stores, it's a different story

-----Original Message-----
From: vejas
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
us, as they know our situation.
Vejas


----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
before.
It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
be
willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
giving the
right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
who can
take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
because
most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to us.
Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long it
takes to process each image.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
currency and see
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
the quantity
and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
purchases.  It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
controls.  But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
needed to be a
blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
see
merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
looking for
customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,

I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
job in
communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
assistant.
But not many employers are hiring.

To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
jobs
that are flexible and part time.


So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
I
thought of customer service representative or working the mall
at
guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
public.

So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
very
accessible?
For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
matter of
finding that job opening.

What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
theater?
or maybe box office?

I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
Babysitting is
part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
the
sole supervisor of them.

Thanks.
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 13:21:18 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary airs
	onPBS
Message-ID: <4ea5665b.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29c@mx.google.com>

Hi Bridgit,

I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until 
now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind 
himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other 
blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us 
by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel 
on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by 
fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which 
many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every 
day.

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:06:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights 
documentary airs onPBS

I have no idea who produced this documentary, or what will be 
present in
terms of information.  I won't judge this film without seeing it,
however, I have to point out that many, many other people have 
been
instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the NFB is 
but one
organization.  Because a group like the Federation focuses solely 
on one
disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist out there.

Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned when 
discussing
rights for those with disabilities.  He started the entire 
independent
living movement, and he's the first person to establish 
independent
living centers for those with disabilities.  Roberts was 
diagnosed with
Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body from the 
neck down
except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron lung most 
his life.
Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on 
disability,
spurring others to get on board with accepting disability as a 
part of
life.  He is known for saying "differently able," it was Roberts 
who
initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people with 
disabilities
could travel with whatever accomodations necessary especially 
those
using wheelchairs.

The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to students 
with
disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges around the
country, was headed by Ed Roberts.  Because of this guy who few 
actually
know of, students with disabilities are offered services on their
respective campuses.  Schools lacking stellar services should be 
ashamed
because that was never Roberts idea of quality services.  Berkley 
has one
of, if not thee, best disability services in the country.

So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot and is 
certainly
a powerful, important organization, double check facts.  No pun 
intended,
but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of disability in 
general.
The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for blindness 
alone,
but in terms of the disability rights movement as a whole, many 
have
come before, and many are still around.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights
	Documentary	Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
October 27
Message-ID: b9626ff6-e05b-419d-9ef1-2d8812f5fc58 at samobile.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed"

That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems how Jacobus
tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement through 
his
scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is probably 
one of
the strongest in the overall Disability Rights Movement.

And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will be 
available
online as I don't have a television?.

Respectfully,
Jedi


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 14:47:45 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Arielle,
I agree a blind person can be a dish washer. Did I hear about a deaf blind 
lady working at pizza hut somewhere?
I thought it was on this list even. You're right that many blind youth don't 
apply or just feel that those jobs their peers get
are not accessible.  Actually some are not. As I said young people are 
servers, sell food at the concession stands like at the movie theater, or 
work in stores. But others are. A blind youth could work in an office doing 
simple administrative work and answer phones. They could also be a baby 
sitter. It depends on the skills of the person too.
I was so busy with school that I probably didn't think of getting a summer 
job; and do to the volume of homework, getting a job in the school year was 
not practical. Its too bad many blind youth don't work. I wonder if someone 
could take phone orders such as at a Pizza Hut? As long as the computer 
software is accessible, I think this would be fine.

Well, if there are ads or openings for guest services people coming up in 
malls, I'll try that job and let you all know if I'm interviewed.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:11 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
I'm sure a blind person could be a dishwasher. But have any of us
actually done it? The problem is that many blind youth don't even
apply for these kinds of jobs because they get the message that none
of the jobs their friends are getting are accessible and that they
should just take the jobs offered them by their VR counselors or
summer programs they attend. I didn't have a VR counselor until the
end of college but I also suffered from similar thinking.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> But Chris,
> A car for the blind will be more expensive than a regular car; and be out 
> of
> the price range of most blind people. Lets get entry level jobs before
> trying to drive.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:30 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hi Carly,
>
> The only thing I will disagree with you on is the Blind Driver
> Challenge.  Yes, the Federation is big on keeping what works, but
> we are also big on increasing the independence of blind people in
> whatever way we can and utilizing whatever technology/resources
> are available to us, especially after the opening of the Jernigan
> Institute.  Currently, we have to rely on a sighted person
> (either in the form of a hired driver, a friend/family member, or
> a public transportation driver) to drive us to wherever we
> need/want to go all the time.  But wouldn't we increase our own
> independence greatly if we were able to drive a car
> independently, just as sighted people do? Wouldn't it be
> liberating to, as a sighted person can do, be able to get in a
> car and drive to wherever we want to go independently, without
> having to schedule a pick-up and take time out of a sighted
> person's life to have them drive us somewhere? Yes, the current
> system works, but this is the key question here: why not? If the
> technology is currently available that would allow a blind person
> to drive a car independently, and a major engineering department
> of a major university (namely the Robotics and Mechanisms Lab, or
> RoMeLa, at Virginia Tech) believes it can be done and is
> currently working with us to make the challenge a reality, why
> not take advantage of that technology and that belief in the
> feasibility of our dream? Why not change the system so we're even
> more independent? Why can't we drive a car? This concept is why
> the newsletter of the Jernigan Institute is entitled
> "Imagineering our Future" (key word, imagineering, which is a
> compound term invented by Disney, which combines the words
> "imagine" and "engineering") and the fundraising arm of the
> Federation is called the NFB Imagination Fund.  Both of these
> titles symbolize a concept that is at the core of the Federation
> philosophy; imagination.  Not only do we want to get rid of the
> failed systems of the past, but once we find a system that still
> leaves us somewhat dependent on sighted assistance, we still ask
> ourselves: how can we make this system better so that we may be
> even more independent in whatever area it is? This is the driving
> force behind the Blind Driver Challenge and of the Jernigan
> Institute, and of the Federation as a whole, as I see it.  My
> friend Nathan tells me that Mark Riccobono is on this list, but
> I've never seen him post to it.  So Mark, if you have any
> thoughts on mine and Carly's comments on the Blind Driver
> Challenge and the Jernigan Institute, please share them with us,
> as you are an expert on the subjects in question.  Anyone else is
> also free to leave their thoughts!
>
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
> Good afternoon, Ariell,
>
>          For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our
> community is
> so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge.  What blind
> person
> that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of will
> choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI,
> benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
> I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's
> working, why change it?
> But essentially, I am in agreement.  How are sexy flash bulbs
> going to
> say anything about us when someone need only peruse our ,
> employment
> statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts?
> are
> so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic, primarily
> I
> imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful
> experience
> though we have ample   training and more than sufficient,
> personal drive.
>
> the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking.  As a
> blind
> person I wouldn't want to drive.  Let someone else do that.  just
> as it
> has always been.
> How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license if
> we
> don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
> for today,
> Car I completely agree.  I really think that NFB should put more
> effort
> into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e.
> food
> service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much
> on
> the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
> kiosks.  Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group is
> unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in
> the
> working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom"
> before we
> can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or
> engineers.
> That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike.  If we don't
> gain
> access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain
> the
> basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing
> competitive
> full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before?
> How
> will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
> assistance when we are in college?
> The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs
> are
> flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
> question their practical utility.  I think that before we can
> really
> become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the
> most
> basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level jobs,
> educational materials, public transportation, etc.  Making
> McDonald's
> jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the
> Blind
> Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our
> unemployment
> rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out
> that
> extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job
> interviews
> later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of
> beginning
> jobs as our sighted peers.  And only if we fix these
> long-standing
> employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and Target
> have
> to offer us.
> I'm curious what others think.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>   VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message.  Will
> try and find
> out by the end of next week
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
> I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so
> forth.
> Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the
> investment
> would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a
> device was
>
> your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc.  Rehab agency would
> purchase it.
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Hope Paulos
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hello all.  I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an
> accessible
> cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities.  The
> only problem
> is
> they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks.  So in
> order for
> an
> employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the
> adaptive
> equipment.  I can try and find out the name and brand  of the
> register  if
> anyone is interested.
> Hope Paulos
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
>
> Hello.
> Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
> processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would
> open up
> more jobs for blind workers.  As for identifying currency, some
> sort of
> efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion.  The honor
> system
> wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
> David Bouchard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Vejas,
> Yes in NFB activities its different.  But when you are dealing
> with the
> general public in the stores, it's a different story
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vejas
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
> identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
> Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
> us, as they know our situation.
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
> before.
> It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
> be
> willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
> giving the
> right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
> who can
> take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
> because
> most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to
> us.
> Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long
> it
> takes to process each image.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
> currency and see
> the screen.
> You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hello.
> I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
> Since it
> involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
> the quantity
> and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
> is learn the
> layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
> receipts,
> cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
> purchases.  It
> does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
> are
> touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
> controls.  But
> otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
> correctly to be
> able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
> needed to be a
> blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.
>
> Cheers,
> Humberto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
> see
> merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
> looking for
> customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
> cashiers; we
> can't do that.
>
> I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
> customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
>
> Hi Ashley,
> What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
> I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
> jobs sound
> like they would be totally accessible.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
> job in
> communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
> assistant.
> But not many employers are hiring.
>
> To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
> server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
> jobs
> that are flexible and part time.
>
>
> So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
> I
> thought of customer service representative or working the mall
> at
> guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
> public.
>
> So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
> very
> accessible?
> For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
> matter of
> finding that job opening.
>
> What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
> theater?
> or maybe box office?
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
> Babysitting is
> part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
> the
> sole supervisor of them.
>
> Thanks.
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 15:05:33 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:05:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
	airsonPBS
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I haven't heard of Ed either. I'll do a little research on his 
accomplishments. Those disability leaders that fought until change occurred 
are heros.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:21 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary 
airsonPBS

Hi Bridgit,

I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
day.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:06:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights
documentary airs onPBS

I have no idea who produced this documentary, or what will be
present in
terms of information.  I won't judge this film without seeing it,
however, I have to point out that many, many other people have
been
instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the NFB is
but one
organization.  Because a group like the Federation focuses solely
on one
disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist out there.

Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned when
discussing
rights for those with disabilities.  He started the entire
independent
living movement, and he's the first person to establish
independent
living centers for those with disabilities.  Roberts was
diagnosed with
Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body from the
neck down
except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron lung most
his life.
Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on
disability,
spurring others to get on board with accepting disability as a
part of
life.  He is known for saying "differently able," it was Roberts
who
initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people with
disabilities
could travel with whatever accomodations necessary especially
those
using wheelchairs.

The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to students
with
disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges around the
country, was headed by Ed Roberts.  Because of this guy who few
actually
know of, students with disabilities are offered services on their
respective campuses.  Schools lacking stellar services should be
ashamed
because that was never Roberts idea of quality services.  Berkley
has one
of, if not thee, best disability services in the country.

So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot and is
certainly
a powerful, important organization, double check facts.  No pun
intended,
but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of disability in
general.
The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for blindness
alone,
but in terms of the disability rights movement as a whole, many
have
come before, and many are still around.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights
Documentary Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
October 27
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed"

That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems how Jacobus
tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement through
his
scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is probably
one of
the strongest in the overall Disability Rights Movement.

And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will be
available
online as I don't have a television?.

Respectfully,
Jedi


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 15:13:56 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:13:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Chris,
Just think of jobs that teens do and young adults. Where do you go and you 
hear a young voice helping you or ringing up a purchase?
Well I've seen them at department stores as cashiers, salespeople and what I 
think are called stock room clerks- the people who bring out the merchandise 
and put it on the racks for customers.
Also if you go to  a fast food place like Mcdonalds or Wendys, these have a 
mix of minority workers and young people.
Many teens also babysit or tutor younger children. These are part time jobs, 
but they build a lot of skills, especially the soft people skills you need.

Oh another entry level, low paying job is being a bank teller. Due to the 
money issue, we can't do that either. Actually, I wouldn't want that job due 
to my math skills anyway. So those are just some jobs that come to mind. 
When I spoke to many college peers they worked at a store, babysat, or 
tutored on a regular basis. A few even worked the front desk at my gym.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:46 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I agree, Arielle! What entry level jobs do we speak of here? What
entry-level jobs should we make accessible before trying to
drive? I'm sure blind people have worked in some entry-level
positions before.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:11:49 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
I'm sure a blind person could be a dishwasher.  But have any of
us
actually done it? The problem is that many blind youth don't even
apply for these kinds of jobs because they get the message that
none
of the jobs their friends are getting are accessible and that
they
should just take the jobs offered them by their VR counselors or
summer programs they attend.  I didn't have a VR counselor until
the
end of college but I also suffered from similar thinking.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
But Chris,
A car for the blind will be more expensive than a regular car;
and be out of
the price range of most blind people.  Lets get entry level jobs
before
trying to drive.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:30 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Carly,

The only thing I will disagree with you on is the Blind Driver
Challenge.  Yes, the Federation is big on keeping what works,
but
we are also big on increasing the independence of blind people
in
whatever way we can and utilizing whatever technology/resources
are available to us, especially after the opening of the
Jernigan
Institute.  Currently, we have to rely on a sighted person
(either in the form of a hired driver, a friend/family member,
or
a public transportation driver) to drive us to wherever we
need/want to go all the time.  But wouldn't we increase our own
independence greatly if we were able to drive a car
independently, just as sighted people do? Wouldn't it be
liberating to, as a sighted person can do, be able to get in a
car and drive to wherever we want to go independently, without
having to schedule a pick-up and take time out of a sighted
person's life to have them drive us somewhere? Yes, the current
system works, but this is the key question here: why not? If the
technology is currently available that would allow a blind
person
to drive a car independently, and a major engineering department
of a major university (namely the Robotics and Mechanisms Lab,
or
RoMeLa, at Virginia Tech) believes it can be done and is
currently working with us to make the challenge a reality, why
not take advantage of that technology and that belief in the
feasibility of our dream? Why not change the system so we're
even
more independent? Why can't we drive a car? This concept is why
the newsletter of the Jernigan Institute is entitled
"Imagineering our Future" (key word, imagineering, which is a
compound term invented by Disney, which combines the words
"imagine" and "engineering") and the fundraising arm of the
Federation is called the NFB Imagination Fund.  Both of these
titles symbolize a concept that is at the core of the Federation
philosophy; imagination.  Not only do we want to get rid of the
failed systems of the past, but once we find a system that still
leaves us somewhat dependent on sighted assistance, we still ask
ourselves: how can we make this system better so that we may be
even more independent in whatever area it is? This is the
driving
force behind the Blind Driver Challenge and of the Jernigan
Institute, and of the Federation as a whole, as I see it.  My
friend Nathan tells me that Mark Riccobono is on this list, but
I've never seen him post to it.  So Mark, if you have any
thoughts on mine and Carly's comments on the Blind Driver
Challenge and the Jernigan Institute, please share them with us,
as you are an expert on the subjects in question.  Anyone else
is
also free to leave their thoughts!

Chris

----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


Good afternoon, Ariell,

          For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our
community is
so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge.  What blind
person
that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of
will
choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI,
benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's
working, why change it?
But essentially, I am in agreement.  How are sexy flash bulbs
going to
say anything about us when someone need only peruse our ,
employment
statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts?
are
so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic,
primarily
I
imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful
experience
though we have ample   training and more than sufficient,
personal drive.

the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking.  As a
blind
person I wouldn't want to drive.  Let someone else do that.
just
as it
has always been.
How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license
if
we
don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
for today,
Car I completely agree.  I really think that NFB should put more
effort
into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e.
food
service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much
on
the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
kiosks.  Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group
is
unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in
the
working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom"
before we
can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or
engineers.
That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike.  If we
don't
gain
access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain
the
basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing
competitive
full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before?
How
will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
assistance when we are in college?
The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs
are
flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
question their practical utility.  I think that before we can
really
become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the
most
basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level
jobs,
educational materials, public transportation, etc.  Making
McDonald's
jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the
Blind
Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our
unemployment
rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out
that
extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job
interviews
later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of
beginning
jobs as our sighted peers.  And only if we fix these
long-standing
employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and
Target
have
to offer us.
I'm curious what others think.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
   VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message.  Will
try and find
out by the end of next week

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so
forth.
Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the
investment
would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a
device was

your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc.  Rehab agency would
purchase it.
David

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Hope Paulos
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello all.  I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an
accessible
cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities.  The
only problem
is
they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks.  So in
order for
an
employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the
adaptive
equipment.  I can try and find out the name and brand  of the
register  if
anyone is interested.
Hope Paulos
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Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


Hello.
Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would
open up
more jobs for blind workers.  As for identifying currency, some
sort of
efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion.  The honor
system
wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
David Bouchard

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Vejas,
Yes in NFB activities its different.  But when you are dealing
with the
general public in the stores, it's a different story

-----Original Message-----
From: vejas
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
us, as they know our situation.
Vejas


----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
before.
It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
be
willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
giving the
right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
who can
take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
because
most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to
us.
Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long
it
takes to process each image.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
currency and see
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
the quantity
and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
purchases.  It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
controls.  But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
needed to be a
blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
see
merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
looking for
customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,

I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
job in
communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
assistant.
But not many employers are hiring.

To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
jobs
that are flexible and part time.


So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
I
thought of customer service representative or working the mall
at
guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
public.

So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
very
accessible?
For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
matter of
finding that job opening.

What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
theater?
or maybe box office?

I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
Babysitting is
part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
the
sole supervisor of them.

Thanks.
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From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 24 15:22:44 2011
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:22:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Encourage Starbucks to Continue Their Braille Card
	Series
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Hi all,
    This does say a lot. I just called them and gave positive feedback and
encouragement for this to continue.

Thanks, Nicole, for forwarding this.

Liz Bottner
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Subject: [nabs-l] Encourage Starbucks to Continue Their Braille Card Series

I know that this is not huge in the scope of advocacy, yet it says a lot in
my opinion.

Starbucks right now does not plan to continue with any other Braille
Starbucks cards.  I think that that is a shame.  After all, do they remove
their wheelchair accessible tables and raise their lowered counters after
October ends?  I think not.  Let's let Starbucks know that we want these
cards to continue.  Please pass this info along and act on it; it takes only
seconds.

People who want to encourage  Starbucks to continue the Braille cards should
call 800 23 latte, or  800 235 2883.  Choose option #2.  I encourage
everyone to call; if they hear from enough of us, they will continue.
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 15:33:35 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:33:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state
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Hi Arielle,
Thanks for these ideas and it’s a pretty neutral response.
Good. I actually went to our in-state center in Richmond already. I'm in VA. 
And I only went to Carroll center for a summer program.
It was Richmond's program where the cooking instruction was three times a 
week and we often made one cooking project per class.

I like your idea of talking to the director of rehab with specific questions 
especially finding out student accomplishments and outcome.
Yes if you say you want more training, the tendency is for rehab counselors 
to send you back to the in-state center; no wonder students go back multiple 
times. Another widely used practice is for counselors to refer you to a 
rehab teacher that visits your home but that visit is seldom, like once a 
month.

I guess the key is the specific reasons.  I'm actually trying to get 
additional computer training now, but if the state doesn't give me enough, 
which is very likely, I can say I need more and advanced technology training 
at a center.

Take care.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:25 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state

Hi Ashley,
I think the first step will be identifying a specific out-of-state
center that you want to attend. Then, once you've identified the
center you want, you can base your argument on specific things they do
at the center you are choosing that are better than what is provided
at the center you attended previously. If you just tell your counselor
that you want more training, they will try to steer you toward an
in-state or in-contract center. So do your research and look for
centers that you think would cater to your specific O&M, independent
living and computer skills needs.
There are some state-run centers that have good reputations and are
staffed by a mix of NFB and non-NFB members. For example, I have heard
good things about the state centers in Nebraska, New Mexico and Utah.
Also, I believe you attended the Carroll center, right? There is
another center in Richmond, VA that is now directed by a Federationist
(Melody Lindsay I believe) but they have a mix of NFB and traditional
practices. I would suggest calling up the directors of a few different
centers and asking some detailed questions about how the curriculum is
set up, what students typically achieve by the time of graduation etc.
so you can gauge what their expectations are and what their teaching
style is.
Finally, I would recommend speaking with the director of at least one
of the NFB centers before ruling them out altogether. You may have
done this already, but if you haven't, it's possible that you may not
have a complete understanding of how skills are taught at the NFB
centers, so talking with either a center director or with center
graduates could be helpful. If you would like to pose any specific
questions about the NFB centers on-list, we would be happy to answer
them. One thing to keep in mind is that the NFB centers work with some
students who are very poor travelers and have a lot of trouble with
spatial awareness when they come in. While these people do struggle
with the structured-discovery method at first, from what I've observed
they do end up being better travelers by the time they leave than when
they come in, which is really the goal of any training program. With
cooking at the NFB centers, students have to do the entire project
themselves-from finding and retrieving ingredients at the beginning to
cleanup at the end-which is different from the group cooking projects
that you described.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I come from an overprotective family and did not learn the living skills 
> at
> the same time as my peers or sighted brothers. My parents seemed to feel 
> it
> was easier to do something than teach me what to do. I was supported well
> for academics but not living skills. I was encouraged to keep up with
> reading in the summer and like all kids I watched kids educational TV like
> Sesemee street. I still remember Elmo and Ernie; they were cute!
>
> I grew up in a white middle class family so fortunately my parents bought 
> me
> many toys and educational materials throughout  my childhood/youth. The
> major things we got paid for via the lions club or the department for the
> blind and vision impaired, DBVI, when I was a teen. But they bought many
> supplies and talking products for me and some were daily life functional 
> too
> including bold line paper, braille paper, labeling tape, labeling dots, a
> talking calculator, talking timer, and a braille embosser and more.
>
> However it wasn’t til a rehab teacher came to us as a teenager that I
> learned some basic kitchen stuff and how to cut food. For instance, I
> learned to do my laundry and make cereal and label with dymo tape at this
> point.
>
> Now to my point. I mention this stuff for some context where I am as a 
> young
> adult. I attended our state center and did learn some more, but it was not
> enough. They do not give you the core classes every day. The instruction 
> in
> daily living was fine, in my opinion, but simply was not enough and 
> besides
> I lack confidence. I had a cooking teacher who was not hands on enough for
> me. If the whole class makes one thing, that doesn’t help me learn. I need
> to do it to learn it meaning I need to do all steps in making a cake to
> understand how its done. Instead, we took turns doing the steps to make 
> one
> product. The computer instruction was too basic and I asked for more
> intermediate skills and they said they wouldn’t cover it; not in their
> curriculum. The instruction was fine for a beginner though. Their lessons
> gave you lots of repetition and practice.
>
> I am contemplating another center; I’ll admit I do not feel a NFB center 
> is
> for me.
> I just feel the structured discovery approach would not work; I want a 
> more
> hands on and explicit approach.
>
>
> So here is the thing.
> How do you convince rehab you need training? What if you have a lot of
> skills? I use them regularly in school; I’m taking writing classes next
> spring at community college to finish a certificate.
> I use my computer skills of word processing and research for school. I 
> used
> the computer to look for work and generate cover letters. Still I need 
> more
> such as learning excell though.
> I already learned braille, labeling, and organization in school and 
> through
> a rehab teacher.
> I also use a cane and know some O&M although I could improve there too.
>
> How do you convince them especially when you have some skills? What if 
> they
> say, Ashley we can send a rehab teacher to your house. But the rehab 
> teacher
> in my area won’t work due to her low expectations and she’s a heavy 
> smoker.
>
> I know home teaching will be their reaction because most skills revolve
> around cooking, cleaning, home maintenance, clothing care like ironing and
> other home tasks.
> What if they say go back to the state center. Of course I don’t want that.
>
> I don’t know if I want to go or not yet. Again, I’m brainstorming and
> preparing possible arguments while I have time so I’m ready if I decide 
> time
> is right. Next semester I’ll be at Nova, community college, though; I’m
> finishing a certificate and taking an elective, probably public speaking, 
> to
> further my business skills.
>
>
>
> Even though I won’t do a NFB center, I want to go out of state, so
> justifying is about the same process. But if you justified it and won to 
> go
> out of state at a NFB center, I figured some of the same principles can
> apply elsewhere to exercise informed choice.
>
> Ashley
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 15:39:02 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:39:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights
	documentaryairsonPBS
Message-ID: <4ea586a2.06ca640a.4dc1.ffffaa79@mx.google.com>

And that includes people like Dr.  tenBroek, Dr.  Jernigan, and 
other Federationists and blind people.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:05:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights 
documentaryairsonPBS

I haven't heard of Ed either.  I'll do a little research on his
accomplishments.  Those disability leaders that fought until 
change occurred
are heros.
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:21 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights 
documentary
airsonPBS

Hi Bridgit,

I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
day.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:06:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights
documentary airs onPBS

I have no idea who produced this documentary, or what will be
present in
terms of information.  I won't judge this film without seeing it,
however, I have to point out that many, many other people have
been
instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the NFB is
but one
organization.  Because a group like the Federation focuses solely
on one
disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist out there.

Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned when
discussing
rights for those with disabilities.  He started the entire
independent
living movement, and he's the first person to establish
independent
living centers for those with disabilities.  Roberts was
diagnosed with
Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body from the
neck down
except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron lung most
his life.
Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on
disability,
spurring others to get on board with accepting disability as a
part of
life.  He is known for saying "differently able," it was Roberts
who
initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people with
disabilities
could travel with whatever accomodations necessary especially
those
using wheelchairs.

The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to students
with
disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges around the
country, was headed by Ed Roberts.  Because of this guy who few
actually
know of, students with disabilities are offered services on their
respective campuses.  Schools lacking stellar services should be
ashamed
because that was never Roberts idea of quality services.  Berkley
has one
of, if not thee, best disability services in the country.

So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot and is
certainly
a powerful, important organization, double check facts.  No pun
intended,
but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of disability in
general.
The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for blindness
alone,
but in terms of the disability rights movement as a whole, many
have
come before, and many are still around.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability Rights
Documentary Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
October 27
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed"

That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems how Jacobus
tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement through
his
scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is probably
one of
the strongest in the overall Disability Rights Movement.

And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will be
available
online as I don't have a television?.

Respectfully,
Jedi


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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 15:39:03 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:39:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs
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Hi Ashley,

I see what you're talking about.  Well some of these jobs are 
currently accessible, like babysitting and working a front desk 
(answering phones, etc.) and some are accessible if the computer 
software is accessible.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:13:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Chris,
Just think of jobs that teens do and young adults.  Where do you 
go and you
hear a young voice helping you or ringing up a purchase?
Well I've seen them at department stores as cashiers, salespeople 
and what I
think are called stock room clerks- the people who bring out the 
merchandise
and put it on the racks for customers.
Also if you go to  a fast food place like Mcdonalds or Wendys, 
these have a
mix of minority workers and young people.
Many teens also babysit or tutor younger children.  These are 
part time jobs,
but they build a lot of skills, especially the soft people skills 
you need.

Oh another entry level, low paying job is being a bank teller.  
Due to the
money issue, we can't do that either.  Actually, I wouldn't want 
that job due
to my math skills anyway.  So those are just some jobs that come 
to mind.
When I spoke to many college peers they worked at a store, 
babysat, or
tutored on a regular basis.  A few even worked the front desk at 
my gym.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:46 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I agree, Arielle! What entry level jobs do we speak of here? What
entry-level jobs should we make accessible before trying to
drive? I'm sure blind people have worked in some entry-level
positions before.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:11:49 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
I'm sure a blind person could be a dishwasher.  But have any of
us
actually done it? The problem is that many blind youth don't even
apply for these kinds of jobs because they get the message that
none
of the jobs their friends are getting are accessible and that
they
should just take the jobs offered them by their VR counselors or
summer programs they attend.  I didn't have a VR counselor until
the
end of college but I also suffered from similar thinking.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
But Chris,
A car for the blind will be more expensive than a regular car;
and be out of
the price range of most blind people.  Lets get entry level jobs
before
trying to drive.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:30 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Carly,

The only thing I will disagree with you on is the Blind Driver
Challenge.  Yes, the Federation is big on keeping what works,
but
we are also big on increasing the independence of blind people
in
whatever way we can and utilizing whatever technology/resources
are available to us, especially after the opening of the
Jernigan
Institute.  Currently, we have to rely on a sighted person
(either in the form of a hired driver, a friend/family member,
or
a public transportation driver) to drive us to wherever we
need/want to go all the time.  But wouldn't we increase our own
independence greatly if we were able to drive a car
independently, just as sighted people do? Wouldn't it be
liberating to, as a sighted person can do, be able to get in a
car and drive to wherever we want to go independently, without
having to schedule a pick-up and take time out of a sighted
person's life to have them drive us somewhere? Yes, the current
system works, but this is the key question here: why not? If the
technology is currently available that would allow a blind
person
to drive a car independently, and a major engineering department
of a major university (namely the Robotics and Mechanisms Lab,
or
RoMeLa, at Virginia Tech) believes it can be done and is
currently working with us to make the challenge a reality, why
not take advantage of that technology and that belief in the
feasibility of our dream? Why not change the system so we're
even
more independent? Why can't we drive a car? This concept is why
the newsletter of the Jernigan Institute is entitled
"Imagineering our Future" (key word, imagineering, which is a
compound term invented by Disney, which combines the words
"imagine" and "engineering") and the fundraising arm of the
Federation is called the NFB Imagination Fund.  Both of these
titles symbolize a concept that is at the core of the Federation
philosophy; imagination.  Not only do we want to get rid of the
failed systems of the past, but once we find a system that still
leaves us somewhat dependent on sighted assistance, we still ask
ourselves: how can we make this system better so that we may be
even more independent in whatever area it is? This is the
driving
force behind the Blind Driver Challenge and of the Jernigan
Institute, and of the Federation as a whole, as I see it.  My
friend Nathan tells me that Mark Riccobono is on this list, but
I've never seen him post to it.  So Mark, if you have any
thoughts on mine and Carly's comments on the Blind Driver
Challenge and the Jernigan Institute, please share them with us,
as you are an expert on the subjects in question.  Anyone else
is
also free to leave their thoughts!

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:53:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


Good afternoon, Ariell,

          For me, it seemed a symbol of ways in which our
community is
so sharply divided, the blind driver's challenge.  What blind
person
that you've heard of let alone have personal acquaintance of
will
choose to waist an only income which is most likely born of SSI,
benefits, anyway on a friggen CAR?
I always understood the Federation to be sort of big on, if it's
working, why change it?
But essentially, I am in agreement.  How are sexy flash bulbs
going to
say anything about us when someone need only peruse our ,
employment
statistics, which  next to those of our so-called, counterparts?
are
so depressed and notice that the stats are so pathetic,
primarily
I
imagine because we are hard pressed to a crew meaningful
experience
though we have ample   training and more than sufficient,
personal drive.

the symbol of blind people "driving"to me, is striking.  As a
blind
person I wouldn't want to drive.  Let someone else do that.
just
as it
has always been.
How can we demand equal treatment including a driver's license
if
we
don['t even have meaningful experience with which to land a job?
for today,
Car I completely agree.  I really think that NFB should put more
effort
into making cash management and other entry-level jobs (i.e.
food
service, data entry etc.) accessible instead of focusing so much
on
the accessibility of the Kindle, the Target website, and airport
kiosks.  Perhaps the biggest social problem we face as a group
is
unemployment, and the fact is that when we are starting out in
the
working world, most of us will have to start at the "bottom"
before we
can land those prestigious jobs as lawyers or doctors or
engineers.
That's the case for blind and sighted workers alike.  If we
don't
gain
access to such beginner jobs, how will we ever be able to attain
the
basic employment experience that is so crucial for landing
competitive
full-time jobs-and more so in today's economy than ever before?
How
will we be able to reduce our dependence on SSI and other public
assistance when we are in college?
The Blind Driver Challenge, Youth Slam and other such programs
are
flashy and have great symbolism for us and our movement, but I
question their practical utility.  I think that before we can
really
become capable of first-class citizenship we need to work on the
most
basic problems that affect us-lack of access to entry-level
jobs,
educational materials, public transportation, etc.  Making
McDonald's
jobs accessible might not win us as much press attention as the
Blind
Driver Challenge, but I'm pretty sure it would lower our
unemployment
rate-and give blind teenagers and others who are starting out
that
extra experience edge that will enable us to walk into job
interviews
later and say that we were able to handle the same kinds of
beginning
jobs as our sighted peers.  And only if we fix these
long-standing
employment issues can we take advantage of what Amazon and
Target
have
to offer us.
I'm curious what others think.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/22/11, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
   VR assitance occurred to me after sending the message.  Will
try and find
out by the end of next week

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


I'd be interested to know the cost, and yes, the brand and so
forth.
Perhaps if you were planning to work there long enough, the
investment
would be worth it, and if a job that required you to use such a
device was

your goal on the IPE, a reasonable Voc.  Rehab agency would
purchase it.
David

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Hope Paulos
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:30 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello all.  I know of a person who ran a snack bar and had an
accessible
cashregister with credit card  processing capabilities.  The
only problem
is
they are more expensive and not every cashregister talks.  So in
order for
an
employer to hire us, they'd have to pay more money for the
adaptive
equipment.  I can try and find out the name and brand  of the
register  if
anyone is interested.
Hope Paulos
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs


Hello.
Are there not accessible cash registers which allow credit card
processing? If not, then that should be worked on, as that would
open up
more jobs for blind workers.  As for identifying currency, some
sort of
efficient bill identifier is a must in my opinion.  The honor
system
wouldn't be viable in the workplace.
David Bouchard

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Vejas,
Yes in NFB activities its different.  But when you are dealing
with the
general public in the stores, it's a different story

-----Original Message-----
From: vejas
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I guess the honors system would have to work, although with an
identifier you would know if they are telling the truth or not.
Usually, however, our community--NFB--has been very honest with
us, as they know our situation.
Vejas


----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:57:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

I'd be curious to know if anyone blind has worked as a cashier
before.
It would be do-able technically, but the employer would need to
be
willing to take some risks as far as assuming customers are
giving the
right bills.  Like at NABS events we have blind cashbox workers
who can
take payments and give change, but we use the honor system
because
most of us cannot visually verify the currency being given to
us.
Something like the IBill might work, but I don't know how long
it
takes to process each image.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/21/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Ah, no.  You need to see the bills; we don't have accessible
currency and see
the screen.
You can't see the credit card or someone's signature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hello.
I did not know a blind person could not be a cashier at a store.
Since it
involves math, and just be able to punch a few buttons to get
the quantity
and change and ETC.  it is doable.  All a blind person has to do
is learn the
layout of the controls or dial pad they use at the store to get
receipts,
cash, and be able to learn how to help the customer pay his
purchases.  It
does not involve a lot of visuals, probably unless, yes there
are
touchscreens everywhere where the cashier has to operate the
controls.  But
otherwise, learning how to add, subtract and do the math
correctly to be
able to give the right change, the right cash, ETC.  is all is
needed to be a
blind cashier.  If I am wrong please correct.

Cheers,
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Sales associates show people around the store and you have to
see
merchandise and read labels.  There people who walk around
looking for
customers.  Like every store has help wanted signs for them and
cashiers; we
can't do that.

I think a guest services job would be doable because you answer
customer/visitor questions; it's all oral.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] mall or customer service jobs

Hi Ashley,
What's a sales associate? Why can't you do that job?
I haven't done ticket sales or guest services but both of those
jobs sound
like they would be totally accessible.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/18/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,

I've graduated from a university a few years ago.  I'd like a
job in
communications, outreach, or even being an administrative
assistant.
But not many employers are hiring.

To make a little money, I wanted a part time job.  I cannot be a
server, pizza driver, or sales associate in the mall.  Those are
jobs
that are flexible and part time.


So I got to thinking other jobs I could do with accomodations.
I
thought of customer service representative or working the mall
at
guest services where you sit and answer questions from the
public.

So has anyone had these types of jobs? Was the computer software
very
accessible?
For guest services, there is no computer involved, so it's a
matter of
finding that job opening.

What about selling tickets such as for the ice arena? Movie
theater?
or maybe box office?

I'd be interested in knowing what you all have done.
Babysitting is
part time, but I don't have the confidence to watch kids being
the
sole supervisor of them.

Thanks.
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 18:27:36 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:27:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] clothes labeling and organization
Message-ID: <A28411F122734551B9C63C57C179CACC@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I was wondering how you all, particularly girls, label and organize clothes. How do you know what goes together? Did someone tell you blouse A goes with those brown pants you bought? Personally since I was a student, and still am actually, I wear casual clothes. So pretty much everything goes with everything. I wear jeans and a t shirt or a V neck knit shirt for the top. But dress clothes and business casual need to be more color coordinated.

Do you hang the top and bottom on the same hanger or side by side? I’ve heard even sighted people do that for easy organization.
Has anyone used those match maker pins? Are they good?

Also some things cannotbe labeled because there is no tag to pin a label on. What do you do about organizing socks, stockings, and slips? I have some of different colors. I can see clear from say a black one. But I cannot differientate from black and blue or purple. Not that I’d have a purple stockings, but just saying. I need to keep the colors separate somehow to independently identify them. Personally I have all my undergarments such as socks, slips and stockings in one drawer. It definitely fits and I make do with the space I have, but is not organized.

Thanks for any ideas. And what about identifying what color shoes you have? Sometimes I need a black pair. Most shoes feel different so its not a problem, but some shoes feel the same from the same brand.\


Thanks.

Ashley

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 18:47:40 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
Message-ID: <A4AC60CDB2844AD69DE1ADD83B352461@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear are important. What else?

I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the right thing and often need to try things on. I’m sure picking out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We also use Macy’s too.

Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot see it in the case.

I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they can get feedback on how they look. I;’d rather pick my own things and pick out something independent from my mother’s taste though, sometime.

Also, I’m not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as Seventeen a good idea even though we can’t see the pictures?

Thanks.

Ashley

From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 24 19:28:16 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:28:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living  disability documentary to air on PBS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1319475609.21364.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP436B7009259C12818B4FB5AC4EF0@phx.gbl>

Chris,

I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak for a
panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an interview with
Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy accomplished.

Roberts also established the first independent living centers in this
country. He believed any person with a disability can have independence
and we have every right to demand that independence.

It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the father
of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often referred
to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or either
man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing the
disability rights movement. A lot of people and various disabilities
belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us, and we
want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful person
who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and it's
founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled community.
When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the most
positive work, but other people and entities exist who share similar
goals and philosophies towards disability.

Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his disability,
high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or even
enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many believed it
wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability because
he'd never be able to truly participate in society.

He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the accommodations
necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his acceptance to
UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great experience,
and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I can't form
an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot that has
helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.

Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people that's led
by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of the
World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations worldwide
is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living with
disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
provides technical assistance.

Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?

I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific needs
each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in common,
and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working together,
would give us a louder voice to make change.

It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization pushing
progressive, total independence.

For any interested, here's a link to WID's website: http://www.wid.org/

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
	airs	onPBS
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Hi Bridgit,

I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until 
now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind 
himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other 
blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us 
by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel 
on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by 
fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which 
many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every 
day.

Chris



From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Mon Oct 24 21:31:28 2011
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:31:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
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Bridget,

While I agree with the sentiment you express that we need to be aware of the fact that we're not the 
only group involved with the rights of all disabilities, I also think that it needs to be recognized 
that there have been some good reasons why we sometimes chart our own course.  I do not know if it was 
the same Ed Roberts, but we had some differences with an Ed Roberts in the mid-1970's when he was 
director of the California Division of Rehabilitation over some big problems in the Business Enterprise 
Program there.  If it was the same guy, that doesn't detract from what he has accomplished, but as I 
recall, there was an effort on his part to minimize our role as blind consumers, and it was felt that 
was in part because he saw uniqueness as not being something that was consistent with a strong 
disability movement.  

One of the problems we had in the 1970's and still have today is that we are still a fairly low-
incidence group.  There was a strong disability rights movement then and there was serious organizing 
efforts.  The push was very, very strong to promote the view of "Disabled" with no emphasis on specific 
disabilities.  Issues we tried to raise that were important to us often could gain no traction in the 
larger groups which were often referred to as cohalitions, but such groups did expect all member groups 
to carry out their priorities.  Let me explain how one process worked here in Minnesota in which I 
participated with other members of the NFB of Minnesota and other organizations of the blind.  The forum 
was a governors commission on the handicapped or something similar.  The goal was to work out in a one-
day meeting what the priorities of the governor should be.  What was done was to first work together as 
a common group to establish the broad priority that affected all disabilities.  as I recall, some of the 
broad priorities from which to choose were architectural barriers, transportation, financial aid, and 
several others.  The choice of architectural barriers as the top priority was never in doubt, and it was 
the logical choice.  At that point, curb cuts were not in use all over and people were still pitching a 
fit at the cost of ramps.  However, now that a priority was established, the various disabled groups 
were asked to split up into separate working groups and decide which of our particular issues would fit 
into the architectural barriers category, and that issue would then be the top priority for that group.  
The only thing that really fit at all for us at the time was brailling elevators.  When the conclusions 
of the group were published, braille elevators were listed as the most important barrier to blind 
persons becoming part of society.  While there were other organizations of the blind participating and 
they may have been happier about this choice than we were, all of us who were blind agreed that 
transportation was a bigger issue for us as were library services and education.  We experienced other 
situations where issues that we felt were crucial to our integration into society were subordinated by 
issues that were more important to the larger group.  While we probably felt this way even before the 
70's, it became very clear to many of us at the time that we needed to maintain control of our destiny, 
to push the issues that were important to us, and to cooperate with but not be subordinate to other 
larger groups when we shared common goals which does happen sometimes.

I think it is important that we recognize that there are others of note who have made contributions to 
the progress that disabled people have made.  As you know, Dr. tenBroek was also from Berkeley, and he 
spent considerable effort in the promotion of protections of other disadvantaged groups, even being 
involved in the writing of the Brown versus Board of Education that is thought of as being at least the 
beginning of the end of segrated schools in the United States.  It is also good to remember, though, 
that the larger disability movement has not always been our friend, either.  We have much in common, but 
there is much that is unique, too, requiring us to be aware of the history.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:28:16 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

>Chris,

>I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak for a
>panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an interview with
>Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
>interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy accomplished.

>Roberts also established the first independent living centers in this
>country. He believed any person with a disability can have independence
>and we have every right to demand that independence.

>It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the father
>of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often referred
>to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or either
>man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing the
>disability rights movement. A lot of people and various disabilities
>belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us, and we
>want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful person
>who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and it's
>founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled community.
>When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the most
>positive work, but other people and entities exist who share similar
>goals and philosophies towards disability.

>Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his disability,
>high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or even
>enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
>requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many believed it
>wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability because
>he'd never be able to truly participate in society.

>He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the accommodations
>necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his acceptance to
>UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
>department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
>students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great experience,
>and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I can't form
>an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot that has
>helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.

>Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
>organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people that's led
>by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of the
>World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations worldwide
>is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
>employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living with
>disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
>research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
>provides technical assistance.

>Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?

>I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
>organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific needs
>each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in common,
>and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working together,
>would give us a louder voice to make change.

>It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization pushing
>progressive, total independence.

>For any interested, here's a link to WID's website: http://www.wid.org/

>Sincerely,
>Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>Read my blog at:
>http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
> 
>"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
>From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
>	airs	onPBS
>Message-ID: <4ea5665b.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29c at mx.google.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

>Hi Bridgit,

>I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until 
>now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind 
>himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other 
>blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us 
>by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel 
>on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by 
>fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which 
>many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every 
>day.

>Chris


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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 21:57:58 2011
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:57:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] clothes labeling and organization
In-Reply-To: <A28411F122734551B9C63C57C179CACC@OwnerPC>
References: <A28411F122734551B9C63C57C179CACC@OwnerPC>
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If something goes together best, I put them on the same hanger. For
example, I have a red suit jacket and a red skirt that go well
together, so they go on the same hanger. For casual clothes that go
with jeans, I use metal Braille tags (I love these!) to be certain
what shirt I am picking out. Also, I put my shirts in order from
casual to formal and the casual based on weight (heavyweight
long-sleeve, heavyweight three-quarter sleeve, heavyweight
short-sleeve, then mediumweight long, medium, short slleve, and
lightweight long, medium, shortsleeve...I never have all of these at
once, of course. In winter, for example, I might have heavyweight
long, medium, and short and medium weight long and medium, plus a few
lightweight long-sleeve). It sounds more complicated than it really
is.

For socks, you can use sock sorters (rubber circles that grip the
socks inside them) and put a metal Braille tag in just one of the
socks. Just make sure to keep those socks together! For pantyhose and
stockings, you can put them in snack-size ziploc bags. I do this, and
put a plastic Braille label on the outside that says 'nude' or 'white'
or whatever it is. Then the ziploc bags gon in the drawer with socks
and such, and I don't have to worry about them being in any particular
order.

On 10/24/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering how you all, particularly girls, label and organize clothes.
> How do you know what goes together? Did someone tell you blouse A goes with
> those brown pants you bought? Personally since I was a student, and still am
> actually, I wear casual clothes. So pretty much everything goes with
> everything. I wear jeans and a t shirt or a V neck knit shirt for the top.
> But dress clothes and business casual need to be more color coordinated.
>
> Do you hang the top and bottom on the same hanger or side by side? I’ve
> heard even sighted people do that for easy organization.
> Has anyone used those match maker pins? Are they good?
>
> Also some things cannotbe labeled because there is no tag to pin a label on.
> What do you do about organizing socks, stockings, and slips? I have some of
> different colors. I can see clear from say a black one. But I cannot
> differientate from black and blue or purple. Not that I’d have a purple
> stockings, but just saying. I need to keep the colors separate somehow to
> independently identify them. Personally I have all my undergarments such as
> socks, slips and stockings in one drawer. It definitely fits and I make do
> with the space I have, but is not organized.
>
> Thanks for any ideas. And what about identifying what color shoes you have?
> Sometimes I need a black pair. Most shoes feel different so its not a
> problem, but some shoes feel the same from the same brand.\
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 22:16:13 2011
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:16:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
Message-ID: <4ea5e3d9.e302440a.50b8.4758@mx.google.com>

HEre in Denver, we have a big independent living center that is 
the second oldest only to Ed Roberts' California one.  Atlantis 
Commuunity Center hosts a woman who got over 30 arrests for civil 
disobedience in the Disability Movement.  She is one of the focal 
points when I think of the larger and broader disability groups.  
She's part of Adapt, which is really important in terms of 
disability groups here in Denver.  They fought to get lifts on 
buses, which is important.  Now, as blind people in CO, we're 
faced with losing a bunch of service in our transit system, which 
could affect the students at the Center in Littleton.  I"m 
talking about the CCB.  I so hope we don't lose the services.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:31:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary 
to air on PBS

Bridget,

While I agree with the sentiment you express that we need to be 
aware of the fact that we're not the
only group involved with the rights of all disabilities, I also 
think that it needs to be recognized
that there have been some good reasons why we sometimes chart our 
own course.  I do not know if it was
the same Ed Roberts, but we had some differences with an Ed 
Roberts in the mid-1970's when he was
director of the California Division of Rehabilitation over some 
big problems in the Business Enterprise
Program there.  If it was the same guy, that doesn't detract from 
what he has accomplished, but as I
recall, there was an effort on his part to minimize our role as 
blind consumers, and it was felt that
was in part because he saw uniqueness as not being something that 
was consistent with a strong
disability movement.

One of the problems we had in the 1970's and still have today is 
that we are still a fairly low-
incidence group.  There was a strong disability rights movement 
then and there was serious organizing
efforts.  The push was very, very strong to promote the view of 
"Disabled" with no emphasis on specific
disabilities.  Issues we tried to raise that were important to us 
often could gain no traction in the
larger groups which were often referred to as cohalitions, but 
such groups did expect all member groups
to carry out their priorities.  Let me explain how one process 
worked here in Minnesota in which I
participated with other members of the NFB of Minnesota and other 
organizations of the blind.  The forum
was a governors commission on the handicapped or something 
similar.  The goal was to work out in a one-
day meeting what the priorities of the governor should be.  What 
was done was to first work together as
a common group to establish the broad priority that affected all 
disabilities.  as I recall, some of the
broad priorities from which to choose were architectural 
barriers, transportation, financial aid, and
several others.  The choice of architectural barriers as the top 
priority was never in doubt, and it was
the logical choice.  At that point, curb cuts were not in use all 
over and people were still pitching a
fit at the cost of ramps.  However, now that a priority was 
established, the various disabled groups
were asked to split up into separate working groups and decide 
which of our particular issues would fit
into the architectural barriers category, and that issue would 
then be the top priority for that group.
The only thing that really fit at all for us at the time was 
brailling elevators.  When the conclusions
of the group were published, braille elevators were listed as the 
most important barrier to blind
persons becoming part of society.  While there were other 
organizations of the blind participating and
they may have been happier about this choice than we were, all of 
us who were blind agreed that
transportation was a bigger issue for us as were library services 
and education.  We experienced other
situations where issues that we felt were crucial to our 
integration into society were subordinated by
issues that were more important to the larger group.  While we 
probably felt this way even before the
70's, it became very clear to many of us at the time that we 
needed to maintain control of our destiny,
to push the issues that were important to us, and to cooperate 
with but not be subordinate to other
larger groups when we shared common goals which does happen 
sometimes.

I think it is important that we recognize that there are others 
of note who have made contributions to
the progress that disabled people have made.  As you know, Dr. 
tenBroek was also from Berkeley, and he
spent considerable effort in the promotion of protections of 
other disadvantaged groups, even being
involved in the writing of the Brown versus Board of Education 
that is thought of as being at least the
beginning of the end of segrated schools in the United States.  
It is also good to remember, though,
that the larger disability movement has not always been our 
friend, either.  We have much in common, but
there is much that is unique, too, requiring us to be aware of 
the history.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:28:16 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

Chris,

I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak 
for a
panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an 
interview with
Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy 
accomplished.

Roberts also established the first independent living centers in 
this
country. He believed any person with a disability can have 
independence
and we have every right to demand that independence.

It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the 
father
of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often 
referred
to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or 
either
man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing 
the
disability rights movement. A lot of people and various 
disabilities
belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us, 
and we
want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful 
person
who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and 
it's
founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled 
community.
When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the 
most
positive work, but other people and entities exist who share 
similar
goals and philosophies towards disability.

Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his 
disability,
high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or 
even
enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many 
believed it
wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability 
because
he'd never be able to truly participate in society.

He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the 
accommodations
necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his 
acceptance to
UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great 
experience,
and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I 
can't form
an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot 
that has
helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.

Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people 
that's led
by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of 
the
World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations 
worldwide
is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living 
with
disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
provides technical assistance.

Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?

I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific 
needs
each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in 
common,
and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working 
together,
would give us a louder voice to make change.

It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization 
pushing
progressive, total independence.

For any interested, here's a link to WID's website: 
http://www.wid.org/

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights 
documentary
	airs	onPBS
Message-ID: <4ea5665b.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29c at mx.google.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Bridgit,

I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
day.

Chris


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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 22:53:58 2011
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:53:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
In-Reply-To: <4ea5e3d9.e302440a.50b8.4758@mx.google.com>
References: <4ea5e3d9.e302440a.50b8.4758@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAPyX6fOdrf7yD_Brj4dWGH9XoAOfBhvxixt3ARNHXpN2WCkrgg@mail.gmail.com>

I highly recommend the book No Pity: People with Disabilities Forging
a New Civil Rights Movement by Joseph Shapiro.  This book is a
comprehensive history of various events in the disability rights
movement including the contributions of the Federation.  It indeed
contains a detailed section on the life and work of Ed roberts.

Dezman

On 10/24/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> HEre in Denver, we have a big independent living center that is
> the second oldest only to Ed Roberts' California one.  Atlantis
> Commuunity Center hosts a woman who got over 30 arrests for civil
> disobedience in the Disability Movement.  She is one of the focal
> points when I think of the larger and broader disability groups.
> She's part of Adapt, which is really important in terms of
> disability groups here in Denver.  They fought to get lifts on
> buses, which is important.  Now, as blind people in CO, we're
> faced with losing a bunch of service in our transit system, which
> could affect the students at the Center in Littleton.  I"m
> talking about the CCB.  I so hope we don't lose the services.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:31:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary
> to air on PBS
>
> Bridget,
>
> While I agree with the sentiment you express that we need to be
> aware of the fact that we're not the
> only group involved with the rights of all disabilities, I also
> think that it needs to be recognized
> that there have been some good reasons why we sometimes chart our
> own course.  I do not know if it was
> the same Ed Roberts, but we had some differences with an Ed
> Roberts in the mid-1970's when he was
> director of the California Division of Rehabilitation over some
> big problems in the Business Enterprise
> Program there.  If it was the same guy, that doesn't detract from
> what he has accomplished, but as I
> recall, there was an effort on his part to minimize our role as
> blind consumers, and it was felt that
> was in part because he saw uniqueness as not being something that
> was consistent with a strong
> disability movement.
>
> One of the problems we had in the 1970's and still have today is
> that we are still a fairly low-
> incidence group.  There was a strong disability rights movement
> then and there was serious organizing
> efforts.  The push was very, very strong to promote the view of
> "Disabled" with no emphasis on specific
> disabilities.  Issues we tried to raise that were important to us
> often could gain no traction in the
> larger groups which were often referred to as cohalitions, but
> such groups did expect all member groups
> to carry out their priorities.  Let me explain how one process
> worked here in Minnesota in which I
> participated with other members of the NFB of Minnesota and other
> organizations of the blind.  The forum
> was a governors commission on the handicapped or something
> similar.  The goal was to work out in a one-
> day meeting what the priorities of the governor should be.  What
> was done was to first work together as
> a common group to establish the broad priority that affected all
> disabilities.  as I recall, some of the
> broad priorities from which to choose were architectural
> barriers, transportation, financial aid, and
> several others.  The choice of architectural barriers as the top
> priority was never in doubt, and it was
> the logical choice.  At that point, curb cuts were not in use all
> over and people were still pitching a
> fit at the cost of ramps.  However, now that a priority was
> established, the various disabled groups
> were asked to split up into separate working groups and decide
> which of our particular issues would fit
> into the architectural barriers category, and that issue would
> then be the top priority for that group.
> The only thing that really fit at all for us at the time was
> brailling elevators.  When the conclusions
> of the group were published, braille elevators were listed as the
> most important barrier to blind
> persons becoming part of society.  While there were other
> organizations of the blind participating and
> they may have been happier about this choice than we were, all of
> us who were blind agreed that
> transportation was a bigger issue for us as were library services
> and education.  We experienced other
> situations where issues that we felt were crucial to our
> integration into society were subordinated by
> issues that were more important to the larger group.  While we
> probably felt this way even before the
> 70's, it became very clear to many of us at the time that we
> needed to maintain control of our destiny,
> to push the issues that were important to us, and to cooperate
> with but not be subordinate to other
> larger groups when we shared common goals which does happen
> sometimes.
>
> I think it is important that we recognize that there are others
> of note who have made contributions to
> the progress that disabled people have made.  As you know, Dr.
> tenBroek was also from Berkeley, and he
> spent considerable effort in the promotion of protections of
> other disadvantaged groups, even being
> involved in the writing of the Brown versus Board of Education
> that is thought of as being at least the
> beginning of the end of segrated schools in the United States.
> It is also good to remember, though,
> that the larger disability movement has not always been our
> friend, either.  We have much in common, but
> there is much that is unique, too, requiring us to be aware of
> the history.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:28:16 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak
> for a
> panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an
> interview with
> Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
> interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy
> accomplished.
>
> Roberts also established the first independent living centers in
> this
> country. He believed any person with a disability can have
> independence
> and we have every right to demand that independence.
>
> It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the
> father
> of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often
> referred
> to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or
> either
> man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing
> the
> disability rights movement. A lot of people and various
> disabilities
> belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us,
> and we
> want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful
> person
> who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and
> it's
> founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled
> community.
> When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the
> most
> positive work, but other people and entities exist who share
> similar
> goals and philosophies towards disability.
>
> Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his
> disability,
> high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or
> even
> enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
> requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many
> believed it
> wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability
> because
> he'd never be able to truly participate in society.
>
> He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the
> accommodations
> necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his
> acceptance to
> UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
> department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
> students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great
> experience,
> and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I
> can't form
> an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot
> that has
> helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.
>
> Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
> organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people
> that's led
> by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of
> the
> World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations
> worldwide
> is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
> employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living
> with
> disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
> research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
> provides technical assistance.
>
> Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?
>
> I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
> organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific
> needs
> each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in
> common,
> and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working
> together,
> would give us a louder voice to make change.
>
> It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization
> pushing
> progressive, total independence.
>
> For any interested, here's a link to WID's website:
> http://www.wid.org/
>
> Sincerely,
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Read my blog at:
> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> 	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights
> documentary
> 	airs	onPBS
> Message-ID: <4ea5665b.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29c at mx.google.com
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Bridgit,
>
> I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
> now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
> himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
> blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
> by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
> on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
> fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
> many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
> day.
>
> Chris
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Oct 24 23:41:45 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:41:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] More Good News In Enyart
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>From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
>To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:20:01 -0600
>Subject: [blindlaw] More Good News In Enyart
>
>Greetings, as most know, we were victorious in 
>getting the Supreme Court to deny the National 
>Conference of Bar Examiner's Petition for a Writ 
>of Certiorari on October 4th.  This kept in 
>place the 9th Circuit's decision issued on 
>January 4th of this year that an entity such as 
>NCBE must offer the accommodations to a test 
>taker with a disability that best ensure that 
>the exam measures the individual's apptitudes 
>and abilities rather than their disability.  In 
>Stephanie's case, this meant that NCBE was 
>ordered to provide the Multistate Bar Exam and 
>Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam on a 
>computer with assistive technology.  This 
>portion of the litigation tied back to U.S. 
>District Court Judge Charles Breyer's original 
>grant of a preliminary injunction ordering the accommodations.
>
>After the 9th Circuit victory, we moved for 
>summary judgment  on Stephanie's claims and 
>asked the Court to issue a permanent injuction 
>ordering the accommodations.  I am very pleased 
>to say that  today, Judge Breyer granted summary 
>judgment in our favor.  Attached you will find 
>an accessible pdf of the decision.  Through this 
>whole time, Stephanie has been represented by 
>myself, Brown, Goldstein, and Levy of Baltimore, 
>and Disability Rights Advocates of Berkley.
>Best,
>Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
>
>LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
>1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
>Denver, Colorado 80222
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Oct 24 23:44:08 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:44:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 13 is out TODAY--lucky 13
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>
><http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-whats-new.asp>Freedom 
>Scientific just released JAWS 13 today
>
>One of the biggest items is Convenient OCR--for all those nasty PDF 
>files that are inaccessible and refuse to be read...AH HAH...there 
>is a solution now
>
>Frequently, you will encounter images that contain textual 
>information. These can include a PDF file, the setup screen of an 
>application, or the menu of selections for a DVD movie. While these 
>images contain text that is readable by a sighted person, JAWS is 
>unable to read the text as it is part of the image.
>
>The new Convenient OCR (Optical Character Recognition) feature 
>enables you to access any image on the screen that includes text. 
>With just a few simple keystrokes, JAWS will recognize the image in 
>a matter of seconds and activate the JAWS cursor so you can navigate 
>the resulting text. The recognized text will be in the same location 
>as the actual image on the screen. In order to differentiate the 
>recognized text from other text that may be in the window, JAWS will 
>use a different voice when it encounters the recognized text. When 
>you activate the PC cursor, or switch to another application or 
>dialog box, the text is removed, and you will need to perform the OCR again.
>
>To use Convenient OCR, the following layered keystrokes have been added:
>
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, W. Recognizes the current application window 
>that has focus.
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, S. Recognizes the entire screen.
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, C. Recognizes the currently selected control, 
>such as a graphical button.
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, Q. Cancels recognition while it is in progress.
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, H. Speaks a brief help message describing the 
>commands in the OCR layer.
>
>Read about all the new features at 
><http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-whats-new.asp>JAWS 13
>  More info at: <http://www.yourtechvision.com>www.yourtechvision.com
>        Denise
>
>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
>CEO, TechVision
>Specialist in blind technology/teaching/training
>email:  <mailto:deniserob at gmail.com>yourtechvision at gmail.com
>Website with hundreds of lessons: yourtechvision.com

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 23:49:20 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:49:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
In-Reply-To: <4ea5e3d9.e302440a.50b8.4758@mx.google.com>
References: <4ea5e3d9.e302440a.50b8.4758@mx.google.com>
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Beth,
Oh no. Are you saying they are cutting bus service due to budget cuts? Here 
in my metropolitan area, we
are faced with budget cuts as well. But it did not affect service, thanks to 
some advocacy. They kept all the current services but did raise fares.

If I were you, I'd write a letter to the bus company and write to the 
newspaper and tv stations to get coverage as to how this proposed cut will 
affect blind people and anyone who uses the bus.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Beth
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 6:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on 
PBS

HEre in Denver, we have a big independent living center that is
the second oldest only to Ed Roberts' California one.  Atlantis
Commuunity Center hosts a woman who got over 30 arrests for civil
disobedience in the Disability Movement.  She is one of the focal
points when I think of the larger and broader disability groups.
She's part of Adapt, which is really important in terms of
disability groups here in Denver.  They fought to get lifts on
buses, which is important.  Now, as blind people in CO, we're
faced with losing a bunch of service in our transit system, which
could affect the students at the Center in Littleton.  I"m
talking about the CCB.  I so hope we don't lose the services.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:31:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary
to air on PBS

Bridget,

While I agree with the sentiment you express that we need to be
aware of the fact that we're not the
only group involved with the rights of all disabilities, I also
think that it needs to be recognized
that there have been some good reasons why we sometimes chart our
own course.  I do not know if it was
the same Ed Roberts, but we had some differences with an Ed
Roberts in the mid-1970's when he was
director of the California Division of Rehabilitation over some
big problems in the Business Enterprise
Program there.  If it was the same guy, that doesn't detract from
what he has accomplished, but as I
recall, there was an effort on his part to minimize our role as
blind consumers, and it was felt that
was in part because he saw uniqueness as not being something that
was consistent with a strong
disability movement.

One of the problems we had in the 1970's and still have today is
that we are still a fairly low-
incidence group.  There was a strong disability rights movement
then and there was serious organizing
efforts.  The push was very, very strong to promote the view of
"Disabled" with no emphasis on specific
disabilities.  Issues we tried to raise that were important to us
often could gain no traction in the
larger groups which were often referred to as cohalitions, but
such groups did expect all member groups
to carry out their priorities.  Let me explain how one process
worked here in Minnesota in which I
participated with other members of the NFB of Minnesota and other
organizations of the blind.  The forum
was a governors commission on the handicapped or something
similar.  The goal was to work out in a one-
day meeting what the priorities of the governor should be.  What
was done was to first work together as
a common group to establish the broad priority that affected all
disabilities.  as I recall, some of the
broad priorities from which to choose were architectural
barriers, transportation, financial aid, and
several others.  The choice of architectural barriers as the top
priority was never in doubt, and it was
the logical choice.  At that point, curb cuts were not in use all
over and people were still pitching a
fit at the cost of ramps.  However, now that a priority was
established, the various disabled groups
were asked to split up into separate working groups and decide
which of our particular issues would fit
into the architectural barriers category, and that issue would
then be the top priority for that group.
The only thing that really fit at all for us at the time was
brailling elevators.  When the conclusions
of the group were published, braille elevators were listed as the
most important barrier to blind
persons becoming part of society.  While there were other
organizations of the blind participating and
they may have been happier about this choice than we were, all of
us who were blind agreed that
transportation was a bigger issue for us as were library services
and education.  We experienced other
situations where issues that we felt were crucial to our
integration into society were subordinated by
issues that were more important to the larger group.  While we
probably felt this way even before the
70's, it became very clear to many of us at the time that we
needed to maintain control of our destiny,
to push the issues that were important to us, and to cooperate
with but not be subordinate to other
larger groups when we shared common goals which does happen
sometimes.

I think it is important that we recognize that there are others
of note who have made contributions to
the progress that disabled people have made.  As you know, Dr.
tenBroek was also from Berkeley, and he
spent considerable effort in the promotion of protections of
other disadvantaged groups, even being
involved in the writing of the Brown versus Board of Education
that is thought of as being at least the
beginning of the end of segrated schools in the United States.
It is also good to remember, though,
that the larger disability movement has not always been our
friend, either.  We have much in common, but
there is much that is unique, too, requiring us to be aware of
the history.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:28:16 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

Chris,

I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak
for a
panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an
interview with
Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy
accomplished.

Roberts also established the first independent living centers in
this
country. He believed any person with a disability can have
independence
and we have every right to demand that independence.

It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the
father
of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often
referred
to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or
either
man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing
the
disability rights movement. A lot of people and various
disabilities
belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us,
and we
want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful
person
who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and
it's
founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled
community.
When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the
most
positive work, but other people and entities exist who share
similar
goals and philosophies towards disability.

Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his
disability,
high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or
even
enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many
believed it
wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability
because
he'd never be able to truly participate in society.

He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the
accommodations
necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his
acceptance to
UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great
experience,
and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I
can't form
an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot
that has
helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.

Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people
that's led
by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of
the
World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations
worldwide
is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living
with
disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
provides technical assistance.

Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?

I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific
needs
each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in
common,
and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working
together,
would give us a louder voice to make change.

It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization
pushing
progressive, total independence.

For any interested, here's a link to WID's website:
http://www.wid.org/

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights
documentary
airs onPBS
Message-ID: <4ea5665b.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29c at mx.google.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Bridgit,

I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
day.

Chris


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 24 23:55:02 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:55:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
In-Reply-To: <CAPyX6fOdrf7yD_Brj4dWGH9XoAOfBhvxixt3ARNHXpN2WCkrgg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAPyX6fOdrf7yD_Brj4dWGH9XoAOfBhvxixt3ARNHXpN2WCkrgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB8D2719798F49F4A1C9AC622A62E2CD@OwnerPC>

Desman,
Thanks for a reccommendation. I wanted to read more about various disability 
rights advocacy and movements. This sounds like a good start!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dezman Jackson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 6:53 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on 
PBS

I highly recommend the book No Pity: People with Disabilities Forging
a New Civil Rights Movement by Joseph Shapiro.  This book is a
comprehensive history of various events in the disability rights
movement including the contributions of the Federation.  It indeed
contains a detailed section on the life and work of Ed roberts.

Dezman

On 10/24/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> HEre in Denver, we have a big independent living center that is
> the second oldest only to Ed Roberts' California one.  Atlantis
> Commuunity Center hosts a woman who got over 30 arrests for civil
> disobedience in the Disability Movement.  She is one of the focal
> points when I think of the larger and broader disability groups.
> She's part of Adapt, which is really important in terms of
> disability groups here in Denver.  They fought to get lifts on
> buses, which is important.  Now, as blind people in CO, we're
> faced with losing a bunch of service in our transit system, which
> could affect the students at the Center in Littleton.  I"m
> talking about the CCB.  I so hope we don't lose the services.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:31:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary
> to air on PBS
>
> Bridget,
>
> While I agree with the sentiment you express that we need to be
> aware of the fact that we're not the
> only group involved with the rights of all disabilities, I also
> think that it needs to be recognized
> that there have been some good reasons why we sometimes chart our
> own course.  I do not know if it was
> the same Ed Roberts, but we had some differences with an Ed
> Roberts in the mid-1970's when he was
> director of the California Division of Rehabilitation over some
> big problems in the Business Enterprise
> Program there.  If it was the same guy, that doesn't detract from
> what he has accomplished, but as I
> recall, there was an effort on his part to minimize our role as
> blind consumers, and it was felt that
> was in part because he saw uniqueness as not being something that
> was consistent with a strong
> disability movement.
>
> One of the problems we had in the 1970's and still have today is
> that we are still a fairly low-
> incidence group.  There was a strong disability rights movement
> then and there was serious organizing
> efforts.  The push was very, very strong to promote the view of
> "Disabled" with no emphasis on specific
> disabilities.  Issues we tried to raise that were important to us
> often could gain no traction in the
> larger groups which were often referred to as cohalitions, but
> such groups did expect all member groups
> to carry out their priorities.  Let me explain how one process
> worked here in Minnesota in which I
> participated with other members of the NFB of Minnesota and other
> organizations of the blind.  The forum
> was a governors commission on the handicapped or something
> similar.  The goal was to work out in a one-
> day meeting what the priorities of the governor should be.  What
> was done was to first work together as
> a common group to establish the broad priority that affected all
> disabilities.  as I recall, some of the
> broad priorities from which to choose were architectural
> barriers, transportation, financial aid, and
> several others.  The choice of architectural barriers as the top
> priority was never in doubt, and it was
> the logical choice.  At that point, curb cuts were not in use all
> over and people were still pitching a
> fit at the cost of ramps.  However, now that a priority was
> established, the various disabled groups
> were asked to split up into separate working groups and decide
> which of our particular issues would fit
> into the architectural barriers category, and that issue would
> then be the top priority for that group.
> The only thing that really fit at all for us at the time was
> brailling elevators.  When the conclusions
> of the group were published, braille elevators were listed as the
> most important barrier to blind
> persons becoming part of society.  While there were other
> organizations of the blind participating and
> they may have been happier about this choice than we were, all of
> us who were blind agreed that
> transportation was a bigger issue for us as were library services
> and education.  We experienced other
> situations where issues that we felt were crucial to our
> integration into society were subordinated by
> issues that were more important to the larger group.  While we
> probably felt this way even before the
> 70's, it became very clear to many of us at the time that we
> needed to maintain control of our destiny,
> to push the issues that were important to us, and to cooperate
> with but not be subordinate to other
> larger groups when we shared common goals which does happen
> sometimes.
>
> I think it is important that we recognize that there are others
> of note who have made contributions to
> the progress that disabled people have made.  As you know, Dr.
> tenBroek was also from Berkeley, and he
> spent considerable effort in the promotion of protections of
> other disadvantaged groups, even being
> involved in the writing of the Brown versus Board of Education
> that is thought of as being at least the
> beginning of the end of segrated schools in the United States.
> It is also good to remember, though,
> that the larger disability movement has not always been our
> friend, either.  We have much in common, but
> there is much that is unique, too, requiring us to be aware of
> the history.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:28:16 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak
> for a
> panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an
> interview with
> Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
> interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy
> accomplished.
>
> Roberts also established the first independent living centers in
> this
> country. He believed any person with a disability can have
> independence
> and we have every right to demand that independence.
>
> It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the
> father
> of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often
> referred
> to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or
> either
> man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing
> the
> disability rights movement. A lot of people and various
> disabilities
> belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us,
> and we
> want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful
> person
> who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and
> it's
> founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled
> community.
> When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the
> most
> positive work, but other people and entities exist who share
> similar
> goals and philosophies towards disability.
>
> Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his
> disability,
> high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or
> even
> enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
> requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many
> believed it
> wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability
> because
> he'd never be able to truly participate in society.
>
> He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the
> accommodations
> necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his
> acceptance to
> UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
> department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
> students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great
> experience,
> and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I
> can't form
> an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot
> that has
> helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.
>
> Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
> organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people
> that's led
> by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of
> the
> World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations
> worldwide
> is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
> employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living
> with
> disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
> research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
> provides technical assistance.
>
> Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?
>
> I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
> organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific
> needs
> each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in
> common,
> and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working
> together,
> would give us a louder voice to make change.
>
> It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization
> pushing
> progressive, total independence.
>
> For any interested, here's a link to WID's website:
> http://www.wid.org/
>
> Sincerely,
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Read my blog at:
> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights
> documentary
> airs onPBS
> Message-ID: <4ea5665b.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29c at mx.google.com
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Bridgit,
>
> I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
> now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
> himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
> blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
> by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
> on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
> fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
> many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
> day.
>
> Chris
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Oct 25 00:06:35 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:06:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
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Bridgit:

It would probably be difficult, if not impossible to name one 
"father" of the disability rights movement.  Each person builds on 
what others before him or her accomplished.  I have heard of Ed 
Roberts, and he certainly did a lot for the Independent Living 
movement, particularly for those in wheelchairs.  Most of this was in 
the 70's.  If tenBroek, and others hadn't done what they did in the 
40's, the IL stuff might not have happened, people wouldn't have 
thought it possible.  That is why I say each of us builds on what 
came before us.  It is impossible to say what caused what etc.

You are right that we tend to be blind-centric in the NFB.  On the 
one hand, it may close us off from other things that we could benefit 
from, and on the other hand, it is part of the reason we have 
accomplished as much as we have for blind persons.

For a brief time in the early 1980's I was heavily involved in an 
Independent Living Center.  I got involved because of some assistance 
they gave me, and I wanted to help them some.  I soon found myself 
being put in the role of being a spokesperson for all disabled 
persons in that area.  I was not comfortable with this -- as I didn't 
know what the problems were for other disabled groups in any detail.

Dave

At 02:28 PM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
>Chris,
>
>I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak for a
>panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an interview with
>Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
>interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy accomplished.
>
>Roberts also established the first independent living centers in this
>country. He believed any person with a disability can have independence
>and we have every right to demand that independence.
>
>It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the father
>of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often referred
>to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or either
>man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing the
>disability rights movement. A lot of people and various disabilities
>belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us, and we
>want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful person
>who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and it's
>founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled community.
>When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the most
>positive work, but other people and entities exist who share similar
>goals and philosophies towards disability.
>
>Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his disability,
>high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or even
>enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
>requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many believed it
>wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability because
>he'd never be able to truly participate in society.
>
>He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the accommodations
>necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his acceptance to
>UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
>department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
>students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great experience,
>and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I can't form
>an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot that has
>helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.
>
>Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
>organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people that's led
>by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of the
>World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations worldwide
>is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
>employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living with
>disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
>research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
>provides technical assistance.
>
>Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?
>
>I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
>organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific needs
>each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in common,
>and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working together,
>would give us a louder voice to make change.
>
>It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization pushing
>progressive, total independence.
>
>For any interested, here's a link to WID's website: http://www.wid.org/
>
>Sincerely,
>Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>Read my blog at:
>http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
>"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
>From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>         list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
>         airs    onPBS
>Message-ID: <4ea5665b.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29c at mx.google.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi Bridgit,
>
>I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
>now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
>himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
>blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
>by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
>on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
>fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
>many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
>day.



From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Oct 25 00:11:05 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:11:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
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Steve:  It is the same Ed Roberts.

While there is much good in the Independent Living movement, in my 
opinion it has pretty much been taken over by the establishment.  In 
an effort to get regular funding they have sold out to the 
traditional rehab system, getting most of their money from rehab now.

Dave

At 04:31 PM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
>Bridget,
>
>While I agree with the sentiment you express that we need to be 
>aware of the fact that we're not the
>only group involved with the rights of all disabilities, I also 
>think that it needs to be recognized
>that there have been some good reasons why we sometimes chart our 
>own course.  I do not know if it was
>the same Ed Roberts, but we had some differences with an Ed Roberts 
>in the mid-1970's when he was
>director of the California Division of Rehabilitation over some big 
>problems in the Business Enterprise
>Program there.  If it was the same guy, that doesn't detract from 
>what he has accomplished, but as I
>recall, there was an effort on his part to minimize our role as 
>blind consumers, and it was felt that
>was in part because he saw uniqueness as not being something that 
>was consistent with a strong
>disability movement.
>
>One of the problems we had in the 1970's and still have today is 
>that we are still a fairly low-
>incidence group.  There was a strong disability rights movement then 
>and there was serious organizing
>efforts.  The push was very, very strong to promote the view of 
>"Disabled" with no emphasis on specific
>disabilities.  Issues we tried to raise that were important to us 
>often could gain no traction in the
>larger groups which were often referred to as cohalitions, but such 
>groups did expect all member groups
>to carry out their priorities.  Let me explain how one process 
>worked here in Minnesota in which I
>participated with other members of the NFB of Minnesota and other 
>organizations of the blind.  The forum
>was a governors commission on the handicapped or something 
>similar.  The goal was to work out in a one-
>day meeting what the priorities of the governor should be.  What was 
>done was to first work together as
>a common group to establish the broad priority that affected all 
>disabilities.  as I recall, some of the
>broad priorities from which to choose were architectural barriers, 
>transportation, financial aid, and
>several others.  The choice of architectural barriers as the top 
>priority was never in doubt, and it was
>the logical choice.  At that point, curb cuts were not in use all 
>over and people were still pitching a
>fit at the cost of ramps.  However, now that a priority was 
>established, the various disabled groups
>were asked to split up into separate working groups and decide which 
>of our particular issues would fit
>into the architectural barriers category, and that issue would then 
>be the top priority for that group.
>The only thing that really fit at all for us at the time was 
>brailling elevators.  When the conclusions
>of the group were published, braille elevators were listed as the 
>most important barrier to blind
>persons becoming part of society.  While there were other 
>organizations of the blind participating and
>they may have been happier about this choice than we were, all of us 
>who were blind agreed that
>transportation was a bigger issue for us as were library services 
>and education.  We experienced other
>situations where issues that we felt were crucial to our integration 
>into society were subordinated by
>issues that were more important to the larger group.  While we 
>probably felt this way even before the
>70's, it became very clear to many of us at the time that we needed 
>to maintain control of our destiny,
>to push the issues that were important to us, and to cooperate with 
>but not be subordinate to other
>larger groups when we shared common goals which does happen sometimes.
>
>I think it is important that we recognize that there are others of 
>note who have made contributions to
>the progress that disabled people have made.  As you know, Dr. 
>tenBroek was also from Berkeley, and he
>spent considerable effort in the promotion of protections of other 
>disadvantaged groups, even being
>involved in the writing of the Brown versus Board of Education that 
>is thought of as being at least the
>beginning of the end of segrated schools in the United States.  It 
>is also good to remember, though,
>that the larger disability movement has not always been our friend, 
>either.  We have much in common, but
>there is much that is unique, too, requiring us to be aware of the history.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:28:16 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
> >Chris,
>
> >I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak for a
> >panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an interview with
> >Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
> >interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy accomplished.
>
> >Roberts also established the first independent living centers in this
> >country. He believed any person with a disability can have independence
> >and we have every right to demand that independence.
>
> >It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the father
> >of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often referred
> >to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or either
> >man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing the
> >disability rights movement. A lot of people and various disabilities
> >belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us, and we
> >want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful person
> >who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and it's
> >founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled community.
> >When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the most
> >positive work, but other people and entities exist who share similar
> >goals and philosophies towards disability.
>
> >Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his disability,
> >high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or even
> >enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
> >requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many believed it
> >wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability because
> >he'd never be able to truly participate in society.
>
> >He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the accommodations
> >necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his acceptance to
> >UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
> >department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
> >students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great experience,
> >and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I can't form
> >an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot that has
> >helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.
>
> >Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
> >organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people that's led
> >by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of the
> >World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations worldwide
> >is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
> >employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living with
> >disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
> >research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
> >provides technical assistance.
>
> >Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?
>
> >I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
> >organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific needs
> >each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in common,
> >and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working together,
> >would give us a louder voice to make change.
>
> >It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization pushing
> >progressive, total independence.
>
> >For any interested, here's a link to WID's website: http://www.wid.org/
>
> >Sincerely,
> >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> >Read my blog at:
> >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
> >
> >"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
> >The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
> >Message: 6
> >Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
> >From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >       list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
> >       airs    onPBS
> >Message-ID: <4ea5665b.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29c at mx.google.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> >Hi Bridgit,
>
> >I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
> >now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
> >himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
> >blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
> >by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
> >on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
> >fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
> >many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
> >day.
>
> >Chris



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 25 00:51:34 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:51:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 13 is out TODAY--lucky 13
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cool. I look forward to trying OCR with jaws.

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Andrews
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:44 PM
To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 13 is out TODAY--lucky 13


>
><http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-whats-new.asp>Freedom 
>Scientific just released JAWS 13 today
>
>One of the biggest items is Convenient OCR--for all those nasty PDF files 
>that are inaccessible and refuse to be read...AH HAH...there is a solution 
>now
>
>Frequently, you will encounter images that contain textual information. 
>These can include a PDF file, the setup screen of an application, or the 
>menu of selections for a DVD movie. While these images contain text that is 
>readable by a sighted person, JAWS is unable to read the text as it is part 
>of the image.
>
>The new Convenient OCR (Optical Character Recognition) feature enables you 
>to access any image on the screen that includes text. With just a few 
>simple keystrokes, JAWS will recognize the image in a matter of seconds and 
>activate the JAWS cursor so you can navigate the resulting text. The 
>recognized text will be in the same location as the actual image on the 
>screen. In order to differentiate the recognized text from other text that 
>may be in the window, JAWS will use a different voice when it encounters 
>the recognized text. When you activate the PC cursor, or switch to another 
>application or dialog box, the text is removed, and you will need to 
>perform the OCR again.
>
>To use Convenient OCR, the following layered keystrokes have been added:
>
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, W. Recognizes the current application window that has 
>focus.
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, S. Recognizes the entire screen.
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, C. Recognizes the currently selected control, such as a 
>graphical button.
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, Q. Cancels recognition while it is in progress.
>INSERT+SPACEBAR, O, H. Speaks a brief help message describing the commands 
>in the OCR layer.
>
>Read about all the new features at 
><http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-whats-new.asp>JAWS 13
>  More info at: <http://www.yourtechvision.com>www.yourtechvision.com
>        Denise
>
>Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D.
>CEO, TechVision
>Specialist in blind technology/teaching/training
>email:  <mailto:deniserob at gmail.com>yourtechvision at gmail.com
>Website with hundreds of lessons: yourtechvision.com
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 01:08:27 2011
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:08:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
Message-ID: <4ea60c36.e909440a.1e5d.727f@mx.google.com>

I wrote the Denver Post, and I'm thinking about writing the bus 
company if they do make the decision to do the cuts.  I've 
written the bus company, and if you'd like, I can e-mail you off 
list so that you can see what I wrote.
Most of the cuts affect the people in Littleton, but still.  I 
think it's really important to know that the people in Littleton 
deserve a chance to be who they are.
They so need to be independent, and the proposed call and ride 
thingies aren't going to cut it.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:49:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary 
to air on PBS

Beth,
Oh no. Are you saying they are cutting bus service due to budget 
cuts? Here
in my metropolitan area, we
are faced with budget cuts as well. But it did not affect 
service, thanks to
some advocacy. They kept all the current services but did raise 
fares.

If I were you, I'd write a letter to the bus company and write to 
the
newspaper and tv stations to get coverage as to how this proposed 
cut will
affect blind people and anyone who uses the bus.
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 6:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary 
to air on
PBS

HEre in Denver, we have a big independent living center that is
the second oldest only to Ed Roberts' California one.  Atlantis
Commuunity Center hosts a woman who got over 30 arrests for civil
disobedience in the Disability Movement.  She is one of the focal
points when I think of the larger and broader disability groups.
She's part of Adapt, which is really important in terms of
disability groups here in Denver.  They fought to get lifts on
buses, which is important.  Now, as blind people in CO, we're
faced with losing a bunch of service in our transit system, which
could affect the students at the Center in Littleton.  I"m
talking about the CCB.  I so hope we don't lose the services.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:31:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary
to air on PBS

Bridget,

While I agree with the sentiment you express that we need to be
aware of the fact that we're not the
only group involved with the rights of all disabilities, I also
think that it needs to be recognized
that there have been some good reasons why we sometimes chart our
own course.  I do not know if it was
the same Ed Roberts, but we had some differences with an Ed
Roberts in the mid-1970's when he was
director of the California Division of Rehabilitation over some
big problems in the Business Enterprise
Program there.  If it was the same guy, that doesn't detract from
what he has accomplished, but as I
recall, there was an effort on his part to minimize our role as
blind consumers, and it was felt that
was in part because he saw uniqueness as not being something that
was consistent with a strong
disability movement.

One of the problems we had in the 1970's and still have today is
that we are still a fairly low-
incidence group.  There was a strong disability rights movement
then and there was serious organizing
efforts.  The push was very, very strong to promote the view of
"Disabled" with no emphasis on specific
disabilities.  Issues we tried to raise that were important to us
often could gain no traction in the
larger groups which were often referred to as cohalitions, but
such groups did expect all member groups
to carry out their priorities.  Let me explain how one process
worked here in Minnesota in which I
participated with other members of the NFB of Minnesota and other
organizations of the blind.  The forum
was a governors commission on the handicapped or something
similar.  The goal was to work out in a one-
day meeting what the priorities of the governor should be.  What
was done was to first work together as
a common group to establish the broad priority that affected all
disabilities.  as I recall, some of the
broad priorities from which to choose were architectural
barriers, transportation, financial aid, and
several others.  The choice of architectural barriers as the top
priority was never in doubt, and it was
the logical choice.  At that point, curb cuts were not in use all
over and people were still pitching a
fit at the cost of ramps.  However, now that a priority was
established, the various disabled groups
were asked to split up into separate working groups and decide
which of our particular issues would fit
into the architectural barriers category, and that issue would
then be the top priority for that group.
The only thing that really fit at all for us at the time was
brailling elevators.  When the conclusions
of the group were published, braille elevators were listed as the
most important barrier to blind
persons becoming part of society.  While there were other
organizations of the blind participating and
they may have been happier about this choice than we were, all of
us who were blind agreed that
transportation was a bigger issue for us as were library services
and education.  We experienced other
situations where issues that we felt were crucial to our
integration into society were subordinated by
issues that were more important to the larger group.  While we
probably felt this way even before the
70's, it became very clear to many of us at the time that we
needed to maintain control of our destiny,
to push the issues that were important to us, and to cooperate
with but not be subordinate to other
larger groups when we shared common goals which does happen
sometimes.

I think it is important that we recognize that there are others
of note who have made contributions to
the progress that disabled people have made.  As you know, Dr.
tenBroek was also from Berkeley, and he
spent considerable effort in the promotion of protections of
other disadvantaged groups, even being
involved in the writing of the Brown versus Board of Education
that is thought of as being at least the
beginning of the end of segrated schools in the United States.
It is also good to remember, though,
that the larger disability movement has not always been our
friend, either.  We have much in common, but
there is much that is unique, too, requiring us to be aware of
the history.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:28:16 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

Chris,

I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak
for a
panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an
interview with
Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy
accomplished.

Roberts also established the first independent living centers in
this
country. He believed any person with a disability can have
independence
and we have every right to demand that independence.

It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the
father
of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often
referred
to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or
either
man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing
the
disability rights movement. A lot of people and various
disabilities
belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us,
and we
want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful
person
who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and
it's
founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled
community.
When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the
most
positive work, but other people and entities exist who share
similar
goals and philosophies towards disability.

Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his
disability,
high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or
even
enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many
believed it
wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability
because
he'd never be able to truly participate in society.

He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the
accommodations
necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his
acceptance to
UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great
experience,
and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I
can't form
an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot
that has
helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.

Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people
that's led
by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of
the
World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations
worldwide
is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living
with
disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
provides technical assistance.

Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?

I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific
needs
each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in
common,
and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working
together,
would give us a louder voice to make change.

It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization
pushing
progressive, total independence.

For any interested, here's a link to WID's website:
http://www.wid.org/

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights
documentary
airs onPBS
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Hi Bridgit,

I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
day.

Chris


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 25 01:42:44 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:42:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
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good advocacy Beth.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Beth
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on 
PBS

I wrote the Denver Post, and I'm thinking about writing the bus
company if they do make the decision to do the cuts.  I've
written the bus company, and if you'd like, I can e-mail you off
list so that you can see what I wrote.
Most of the cuts affect the people in Littleton, but still.  I
think it's really important to know that the people in Littleton
deserve a chance to be who they are.
They so need to be independent, and the proposed call and ride
thingies aren't going to cut it.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:49:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary
to air on PBS

Beth,
Oh no. Are you saying they are cutting bus service due to budget
cuts? Here
in my metropolitan area, we
are faced with budget cuts as well. But it did not affect
service, thanks to
some advocacy. They kept all the current services but did raise
fares.

If I were you, I'd write a letter to the bus company and write to
the
newspaper and tv stations to get coverage as to how this proposed
cut will
affect blind people and anyone who uses the bus.
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 6:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary
to air on
PBS

HEre in Denver, we have a big independent living center that is
the second oldest only to Ed Roberts' California one.  Atlantis
Commuunity Center hosts a woman who got over 30 arrests for civil
disobedience in the Disability Movement.  She is one of the focal
points when I think of the larger and broader disability groups.
She's part of Adapt, which is really important in terms of
disability groups here in Denver.  They fought to get lifts on
buses, which is important.  Now, as blind people in CO, we're
faced with losing a bunch of service in our transit system, which
could affect the students at the Center in Littleton.  I"m
talking about the CCB.  I so hope we don't lose the services.
Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:31:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary
to air on PBS

Bridget,

While I agree with the sentiment you express that we need to be
aware of the fact that we're not the
only group involved with the rights of all disabilities, I also
think that it needs to be recognized
that there have been some good reasons why we sometimes chart our
own course.  I do not know if it was
the same Ed Roberts, but we had some differences with an Ed
Roberts in the mid-1970's when he was
director of the California Division of Rehabilitation over some
big problems in the Business Enterprise
Program there.  If it was the same guy, that doesn't detract from
what he has accomplished, but as I
recall, there was an effort on his part to minimize our role as
blind consumers, and it was felt that
was in part because he saw uniqueness as not being something that
was consistent with a strong
disability movement.

One of the problems we had in the 1970's and still have today is
that we are still a fairly low-
incidence group.  There was a strong disability rights movement
then and there was serious organizing
efforts.  The push was very, very strong to promote the view of
"Disabled" with no emphasis on specific
disabilities.  Issues we tried to raise that were important to us
often could gain no traction in the
larger groups which were often referred to as cohalitions, but
such groups did expect all member groups
to carry out their priorities.  Let me explain how one process
worked here in Minnesota in which I
participated with other members of the NFB of Minnesota and other
organizations of the blind.  The forum
was a governors commission on the handicapped or something
similar.  The goal was to work out in a one-
day meeting what the priorities of the governor should be.  What
was done was to first work together as
a common group to establish the broad priority that affected all
disabilities.  as I recall, some of the
broad priorities from which to choose were architectural
barriers, transportation, financial aid, and
several others.  The choice of architectural barriers as the top
priority was never in doubt, and it was
the logical choice.  At that point, curb cuts were not in use all
over and people were still pitching a
fit at the cost of ramps.  However, now that a priority was
established, the various disabled groups
were asked to split up into separate working groups and decide
which of our particular issues would fit
into the architectural barriers category, and that issue would
then be the top priority for that group.
The only thing that really fit at all for us at the time was
brailling elevators.  When the conclusions
of the group were published, braille elevators were listed as the
most important barrier to blind
persons becoming part of society.  While there were other
organizations of the blind participating and
they may have been happier about this choice than we were, all of
us who were blind agreed that
transportation was a bigger issue for us as were library services
and education.  We experienced other
situations where issues that we felt were crucial to our
integration into society were subordinated by
issues that were more important to the larger group.  While we
probably felt this way even before the
70's, it became very clear to many of us at the time that we
needed to maintain control of our destiny,
to push the issues that were important to us, and to cooperate
with but not be subordinate to other
larger groups when we shared common goals which does happen
sometimes.

I think it is important that we recognize that there are others
of note who have made contributions to
the progress that disabled people have made.  As you know, Dr.
tenBroek was also from Berkeley, and he
spent considerable effort in the promotion of protections of
other disadvantaged groups, even being
involved in the writing of the Brown versus Board of Education
that is thought of as being at least the
beginning of the end of segrated schools in the United States.
It is also good to remember, though,
that the larger disability movement has not always been our
friend, either.  We have much in common, but
there is much that is unique, too, requiring us to be aware of
the history.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:28:16 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

Chris,

I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak
for a
panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an
interview with
Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy
accomplished.

Roberts also established the first independent living centers in
this
country. He believed any person with a disability can have
independence
and we have every right to demand that independence.

It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the
father
of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often
referred
to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or
either
man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing
the
disability rights movement. A lot of people and various
disabilities
belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us,
and we
want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful
person
who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and
it's
founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled
community.
When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the
most
positive work, but other people and entities exist who share
similar
goals and philosophies towards disability.

Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his
disability,
high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or
even
enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many
believed it
wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability
because
he'd never be able to truly participate in society.

He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the
accommodations
necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his
acceptance to
UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great
experience,
and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I
can't form
an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot
that has
helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.

Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people
that's led
by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of
the
World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations
worldwide
is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living
with
disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
provides technical assistance.

Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?

I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific
needs
each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in
common,
and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working
together,
would give us a louder voice to make change.

It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization
pushing
progressive, total independence.

For any interested, here's a link to WID's website:
http://www.wid.org/

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights
documentary
airs onPBS
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Bridgit,

I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
day.

Chris


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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Oct 25 01:46:57 2011
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:46:57 -0500
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From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:52:23 -0400
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good offer; but quite a  lot of money for a subscription. My textbooks 
usually cost  a couple hundred bucks; for hard copy, I usually buy used to 
get it cheaper. I have to buy books for back up purposes or to secure an 
electronic copy.

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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 02:12:05 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:12:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air
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Steve,

Yes, I agree with you. I think I've been misunderstood to an extent. I'm
very well aware that when it comes to disability rights in general,
blindness is still considered one of the "worse" disabilities, and our
causes and concerns are often pushed to the bottom of priority lists if
even listed at all. One of the reasons the Federation was established
solely focusing on blindness is for this very reason.

I'm in no way diminishing the work of Dr. Tembroek, or any other NFB
founder such as Dr. Jernigan, my point was to just explain that many
were involved in organizing and pushing for the equality and acceptance
of those with disabilities. We may not always work together, or
understand the other, but individually, many have participated in this
movement.

Sadly, we've struggled as blind consumers and tend to have to fight even
among other disabilities. As I stated, I've done no extensive research
on Ed Roberts or this entire topic in general, and if this documentary
doesn't spend time, or completely omits, the presence of the blind
community especially focusing on the NFB founders, it will be a shame
and a huge quiet statement that blindness holds no place of equality
even among the general disability independence movement.

I had to work with a man who was a paraplegic for a speaking engagement
planned by the Disability Awareness office I worked for during college.
His idea of independence reflected my own, and I was excited to meet
him. His message was powerful and very similar to the one the Federation
teaches. Imagine my surprise when he, a man not in control of his entire
body, was shocked that I, who just had  no use of my eyes, could
"function as well as I do." This threw a wet sock in my opinion of this
man and his independent spirit. It was a real wake-up call. I went into
this encounter with an open mind and no preconceived notions, and yet
this man already bought into the old perceptions about my disability.
Not that he didn't believe me when I spoke of the abilities of the
blind, but he came into the situation already with certain ideals
obviously not intending his message to include all disabilities.

So I understand, and agree to an extent, why an organization like the
Federation works as it's own entity choosing to not actively work much
with other disability organizations. This seems like an unfortunate
reality on the part of other entities working for the disability rights
movement. And I've stated more than once that the Federation has done
the most for people who are blind, and without the Federation and it'
leaders, our world would be very different even with people like Ed
Roberts out there.

Again, my only point was to display that when discussing disability in
general, others have, and still do,  work to achieve an independent and
positive mindset in society. I find it incredibly naïve to state that
the Federation alone, emphasis on alone, was the leader in the
disability rights movement. This statement doesn't imply that the
Federation some how has no place in the movement or that it wasn't a big
powerhouse player in the movement. Nor am I suggesting that founders
like Tembroek or Jernigan weren't on the same par as Ed Roberts. To read
my posts and interpret them as diminishing the role of the Federation is
to focus on a perceived idea of what I'm saying and not realizing that
I'm not excluding anyone from this discussion, but merely adding those
who have, in their own ways, been equal players in the disability rights
movement. I'm only attempting to show a wider picture displaying the
various people who were involved in inacting change leading to a
disability rights movement at all.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:31:28 -0500
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air
	on PBS
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Bridget,

While I agree with the sentiment you express that we need to be aware of
the fact that we're not the 
only group involved with the rights of all disabilities, I also think
that it needs to be recognized 
that there have been some good reasons why we sometimes chart our own
course.  I do not know if it was 
the same Ed Roberts, but we had some differences with an Ed Roberts in
the mid-1970's when he was 
director of the California Division of Rehabilitation over some big
problems in the Business Enterprise 
Program there.  If it was the same guy, that doesn't detract from what
he has accomplished, but as I 
recall, there was an effort on his part to minimize our role as blind
consumers, and it was felt that 
was in part because he saw uniqueness as not being something that was
consistent with a strong 
disability movement.  

One of the problems we had in the 1970's and still have today is that we
are still a fairly low- incidence group.  There was a strong disability
rights movement then and there was serious organizing 
efforts.  The push was very, very strong to promote the view of
"Disabled" with no emphasis on specific 
disabilities.  Issues we tried to raise that were important to us often
could gain no traction in the 
larger groups which were often referred to as cohalitions, but such
groups did expect all member groups 
to carry out their priorities.  Let me explain how one process worked
here in Minnesota in which I 
participated with other members of the NFB of Minnesota and other
organizations of the blind.  The forum 
was a governors commission on the handicapped or something similar.  The
goal was to work out in a one- day meeting what the priorities of the
governor should be.  What was done was to first work together as 
a common group to establish the broad priority that affected all
disabilities.  as I recall, some of the 
broad priorities from which to choose were architectural barriers,
transportation, financial aid, and 
several others.  The choice of architectural barriers as the top
priority was never in doubt, and it was 
the logical choice.  At that point, curb cuts were not in use all over
and people were still pitching a 
fit at the cost of ramps.  However, now that a priority was established,
the various disabled groups 
were asked to split up into separate working groups and decide which of
our particular issues would fit 
into the architectural barriers category, and that issue would then be
the top priority for that group.  
The only thing that really fit at all for us at the time was brailling
elevators.  When the conclusions 
of the group were published, braille elevators were listed as the most
important barrier to blind 
persons becoming part of society.  While there were other organizations
of the blind participating and 
they may have been happier about this choice than we were, all of us who
were blind agreed that 
transportation was a bigger issue for us as were library services and
education.  We experienced other 
situations where issues that we felt were crucial to our integration
into society were subordinated by 
issues that were more important to the larger group.  While we probably
felt this way even before the 
70's, it became very clear to many of us at the time that we needed to
maintain control of our destiny, 
to push the issues that were important to us, and to cooperate with but
not be subordinate to other 
larger groups when we shared common goals which does happen sometimes.

I think it is important that we recognize that there are others of note
who have made contributions to 
the progress that disabled people have made.  As you know, Dr. tenBroek
was also from Berkeley, and he 
spent considerable effort in the promotion of protections of other
disadvantaged groups, even being 
involved in the writing of the Brown versus Board of Education that is
thought of as being at least the 
beginning of the end of segrated schools in the United States.  It is
also good to remember, though, 
that the larger disability movement has not always been our friend,
either.  We have much in common, but 
there is much that is unique, too, requiring us to be aware of the
history.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson



From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 02:46:43 2011
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:46:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary airs
	on PBS
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Hello Carly,
How does a building need to be made accessible for the blind? A person in a wheel chair can not clime stairs there a

I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Mon, 10/24/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary airs on PBS
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 12:25 AM
> 
> 
> Hi, Bridgit,
> 
> Here in Berkeley, we have the Ed Roberts Campus, which is
> designed to 
> be this one-stop shop for agencies serving folk with
> disability. I 
> have noticed that, though they spent tons of cash on this
> building 
> which is all sup'd up for chairs, it is really inaccessible
> for folk 
> who are blind. In the ERC's defense, It seems no easy feat
> to make 
> the same facility accessable for both blind folks as well
> as chairs. 
> This must be because our needs and abilities are so
> divergent.
> Today, they are having problems making this building named
> for this 
> disability pioneer, a meaningful, presence in the
> disability 
> community.however, I have to point out that many, many
> other people have been
> >instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the
> NFB is but one
> >organization. Because a group like the Federation
> focuses solely on one
> >disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist
> out there.
> >
> >Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned
> when discussing
> >rights for those with disabilities. He started the
> entire independent
> >living movement, and he's the first person to establish
> independent
> >living centers for those with disabilities. Roberts was
> diagnosed with
> >Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body
> from the neck down
> >except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron
> lung most his life.
> >Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on
> disability,
> >spurring others to get on board with accepting
> disability as a part of
> >life. He is known for saying "differently able," it was
> Roberts who
> >initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people
> with disabilities
> >could travel with whatever accomodations necessary
> especially those
> >using wheelchairs.
> >
> >The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to
> students with
> >disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges
> around the
> >country, was headed by Ed Roberts. Because of this guy
> who few actually
> >know of, students with disabilities are offered
> services on their
> >respective campuses. Schools lacking stellar services
> should be ashamed
> >because that was never Roberts idea of quality
> services. Berkley has one
> >of, if not thee, best disability services in the
> country.
> >
> >So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot
> and is certainly
> >a powerful, important organization, double check facts.
> No pun intended,
> >but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of
> disability in general.
> >The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for
> blindness alone,
> >but in terms of the disability rights movement as a
> whole, many have
> >come before, and many are still around.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> >Read my blog at:
> >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
> >
> >"History is not what happened; history is what was
> written down."
> >The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
> >From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability
> Rights
> >     
>    Documentary 
>    Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
> >October 27
> >Message-ID: b9626ff6-e05b-419d-9ef1-2d8812f5fc58 at samobile.net
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
> format="flowed"
> >
> >That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems
> how Jacobus
> >tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement
> through his
> >scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is
> probably one of
> >the strongest in the overall Disability Rights
> Movement.
> >
> >And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will
> be available
> >online as I don't have a television?.
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >Jedi
> >
> >
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 02:47:31 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:47:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air
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Dave,

I agree, and the reason I bring up any other leader in the movement is
because others here have stated others as the "father" of the disability
rights movement. I would certainly agree that Tembroek, and later
Jernigan, were probably fathers of the early blind rights movement, and
of course they contributed to the movement as an entirety, but again,
when broadening the picture, others were equally instrumental in
establishing a firm voice seeking independence and equality for all with
disabilities.

And it's very true that we all have built upon the work that has come,
and is happening, to support the cause as a whole. My intention was
never to imply otherwise; I'm just concerned that some, not all,
consider the Federation as the only organization to do anything pushing
for the disability rights movement. This isn't diminishing the role of
the NFB, but rather adding the other puzzle pieces to the picture.

I think a lot of people seek a poster-child promoting all disabilities.
I've found myself in similar circumstances before, and it is
intimidating  trying to speak on behalf of all disabilities; it must be
how the president feels when trying to serve all the various groups,
parties and peoples of this country.

Our over-all goal and message may be similar- independence for all, and
with certain accommodations and positive mindsets, we can all achieve
personal levels of independence. But when dealing directly with
individual disabilities, a lot of variables are in play and the
accommodations are equally varied. What I might require as a blind
person isn't necessarily what a paraplegic requires or someone with CP.
We can't exactly put one face to this collective.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:06:35 -0500
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air
	on PBS
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Bridgit:

It would probably be difficult, if not impossible to name one 
"father" of the disability rights movement.  Each person builds on 
what others before him or her accomplished.  I have heard of Ed 
Roberts, and he certainly did a lot for the Independent Living 
movement, particularly for those in wheelchairs.  Most of this was in 
the 70's.  If tenBroek, and others hadn't done what they did in the 
40's, the IL stuff might not have happened, people wouldn't have 
thought it possible.  That is why I say each of us builds on what 
came before us.  It is impossible to say what caused what etc.

You are right that we tend to be blind-centric in the NFB.  On the 
one hand, it may close us off from other things that we could benefit 
from, and on the other hand, it is part of the reason we have 
accomplished as much as we have for blind persons.

For a brief time in the early 1980's I was heavily involved in an 
Independent Living Center.  I got involved because of some assistance 
they gave me, and I wanted to help them some.  I soon found myself 
being put in the role of being a spokesperson for all disabled 
persons in that area.  I was not comfortable with this -- as I didn't 
know what the problems were for other disabled groups in any detail.

Dave



From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 03:47:14 2011
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:47:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary airs
	on PBS
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Anmol,
I've followed this discussion for a little while now. You ask: "How
does a building need to be made accessible for the blind?" There are
several things that can be done. First, the addition of Braille signs
for rooms. Second, the building could be laid out a certain way so
that it was easy to navigate. Another way that some buildings could be
made accessible would be for them to provide a tactile map of the
building in the lobby. I noticed that there were several tactile maps
when I was down in Washington, D.C. this past summer. Beyond this,
there's really not a whole lot that buildings can do to make
themselves more accessible. I hope this helps you.
Patrick

On 10/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Carly,
> How does a building need to be made accessible for the blind? A person in a
> wheel chair can not clime stairs there a
>
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/24/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
>> airs on PBS
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 12:25 AM
>>
>>
>> Hi, Bridgit,
>>
>> Here in Berkeley, we have the Ed Roberts Campus, which is
>> designed to
>> be this one-stop shop for agencies serving folk with
>> disability. I
>> have noticed that, though they spent tons of cash on this
>> building
>> which is all sup'd up for chairs, it is really inaccessible
>> for folk
>> who are blind. In the ERC's defense, It seems no easy feat
>> to make
>> the same facility accessable for both blind folks as well
>> as chairs.
>> This must be because our needs and abilities are so
>> divergent.
>> Today, they are having problems making this building named
>> for this
>> disability pioneer, a meaningful, presence in the
>> disability
>> community.however, I have to point out that many, many
>> other people have been
>> >instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the
>> NFB is but one
>> >organization. Because a group like the Federation
>> focuses solely on one
>> >disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist
>> out there.
>> >
>> >Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned
>> when discussing
>> >rights for those with disabilities. He started the
>> entire independent
>> >living movement, and he's the first person to establish
>> independent
>> >living centers for those with disabilities. Roberts was
>> diagnosed with
>> >Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body
>> from the neck down
>> >except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron
>> lung most his life.
>> >Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on
>> disability,
>> >spurring others to get on board with accepting
>> disability as a part of
>> >life. He is known for saying "differently able," it was
>> Roberts who
>> >initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people
>> with disabilities
>> >could travel with whatever accomodations necessary
>> especially those
>> >using wheelchairs.
>> >
>> >The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to
>> students with
>> >disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges
>> around the
>> >country, was headed by Ed Roberts. Because of this guy
>> who few actually
>> >know of, students with disabilities are offered
>> services on their
>> >respective campuses. Schools lacking stellar services
>> should be ashamed
>> >because that was never Roberts idea of quality
>> services. Berkley has one
>> >of, if not thee, best disability services in the
>> country.
>> >
>> >So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot
>> and is certainly
>> >a powerful, important organization, double check facts.
>> No pun intended,
>> >but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of
>> disability in general.
>> >The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for
>> blindness alone,
>> >but in terms of the disability rights movement as a
>> whole, many have
>> >come before, and many are still around.
>> >
>> >Sincerely,
>> >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> >Read my blog at:
>> >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>> >
>> >"History is not what happened; history is what was
>> written down."
>> >The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>> >
>> >Message: 3
>> >Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
>> >From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>> >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability
>> Rights
>> >
>>    Documentary
>>    Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
>> >October 27
>> >Message-ID: b9626ff6-e05b-419d-9ef1-2d8812f5fc58 at samobile.net
>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> format="flowed"
>> >
>> >That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems
>> how Jacobus
>> >tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement
>> through his
>> >scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is
>> probably one of
>> >the strongest in the overall Disability Rights
>> Movement.
>> >
>> >And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will
>> be available
>> >online as I don't have a television?.
>> >
>> >Respectfully,
>> >Jedi
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >nabs-l mailing list
>> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 09:49:28 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:49:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents:
	What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
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Dear david,

That's awesome that all of the files for nabs link will finally
be up on the web site. Which is awesome! I will definitely will
check them out! Unfortunately, I didn't listen to this call on
Sunday night since I was under the weather with sickness. But,
I'm sure it was informative and good for all! And, I'm also glad
that it was streamed on audioaccessfm.

Thanks again and, I will talk to you soon!


Hugs always,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students
Presents: What Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.

I'm happy to announce that all our files are being reuploaded,
and I
expect the full Nabs site to be online by Monday or Tuesday,
complete
with archives of the meeting from convention, this call from
tonight
that will be streamed live on Audio Access FM; and any other
calls
that I have copies of.
To listen to tonight's call, tune in to the station that
stretches the
boundaries of Sound Entertainment Audio Access FM
http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php
Whether you have blind children or are blind, there's surely
something
anyone can get from this presentation tonight, so tune in and
learn a
thing or two along the way.

On 10/23/11, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I can't speak for Darian but in the past the NABS conference
calls have been
> at
> 712-775-7100
> with passcode 257963.
> If Darian doesn't respond before tonight, try that number and
passcode.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 10/23/11, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Darian:
>>
>> What is the conference line info? I think you forgot to
include that
>> and I don't happen to have it on hand since I usually just get
it from
>> your email messages.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kerri
>>
>> On 10/23/11, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
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>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students
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>>> What
>>> Vocational Rehabilitation can do for you.
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>>>  NABS Membership Committee Presents:
>>>
>>>  What Vocational Rehabilitation Can do for You
>>>
>>>  Are you concerned about how you are going to pay for
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>>>
>>>  Do you have no idea how to get the technology you need to
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>>>
>>>  Are you confused about what Vocational Rehabilitation is and
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Tue Oct 25 15:58:16 2011
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:58:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air
Message-ID: <auto-000004192485@mailback4.g2host.com>

Bridget,

Please allow me to reply to this note since I somehow didn't get the note that you addressed to me last 
night sent to my work machine.  I want to make it clear that I didn't think you were diminishing 
anything that our founders did, and that I do think we need to be sure we understand other efforts made 
by persons with disabilities.  It has always confused some, in my opinion, why we in the NFB didn't get 
more excited about the Americans with Disabilities Act because they didn't understand that we had gotten 
some of what the ADA represented into law through our white cane and other legislation years before.  I 
worry some that people may loose sight of how the general disability movement has helped us but also how 
it sometimes makes things more complicated for us.  I read another post on this subject that seemed to 
express some frustration that much money was spent on making a building accessible but little was done 
to make it accessible to the blind.  This, in my opinion, is an example of how our thinking has been 
negatively impacted by the general disability movement.  It really fits into the example I wrote about 
last night.  Some of us have been made to feel that since building accessibility is extremely important 
to much of the disability community that it has the same importance to us.  Braille room numbers and 
such can be helpful, but the lack of such did not stop us from getting where we needed to go as the lack 
of ramps and elevators impacted those in wheelchairs or walkers.  This point was really brought home to 
me once when a number of us who were blind when with a friend of ours who was in a wheelchair to a 
restaurant where it turned out the elevator was out of order.  The elevator was the only way to get into 
the restaurant without walking down a wide staircase with perhaps fifteen stairs.  The staff felt very 
badly and offered to get a couple of people to carry her and her wheelchair down the stairs.  She was 
rightfully uncomfortable with that and made sure we knew that she was all right with us eating at this 
rastaurant and that she would go somewhere else.  Well, we decided not to eat there and find a place we 
could all enter without her having to be carried down the stairs by people she didn't know.  The 
restaurant was a generally accommodating restaurant and the elevator being out of order was not typical.  
Still, what it brought home to me was that this was a show stopper for my friend, and while an attempt 
to be accommodating was made, it involved her taking a physical risk, something that was on a totally 
different level than is ever experienced by my not having braille room numbers, for example.  On the 
other hand, I have seen examples of web accessibility where attention is paid to a number of things that 
affect other disabilities where we are specifically excluded because the pages used technology that 
could not be easily repaired.  Like you, I've known other disabled persons who truly did not understand 
that I could be independent.  However, I also recognize that there is a great deal I don't know about 
other disabilities as well.  While I believe I may understand some of the frustrations experienced by 
other disabilities, it would be wrong for me to think I can make decisions about them simply based upon 
an understanding of their frustrations.  The same is true the other way around.  Our commonness with 
other disabilities has to be tempered by our respective uniqueness.

I do not see you as arguing with any of my points, but I've seen other postings that indicate to me that 
people don't keep what we all have common and what might be specific to blindness in perspective.  Your 
note was simply the motivating factor to write about this some.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:47:31 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

>Dave,

>I agree, and the reason I bring up any other leader in the movement is
>because others here have stated others as the "father" of the disability
>rights movement. I would certainly agree that Tembroek, and later
>Jernigan, were probably fathers of the early blind rights movement, and
>of course they contributed to the movement as an entirety, but again,
>when broadening the picture, others were equally instrumental in
>establishing a firm voice seeking independence and equality for all with
>disabilities.

>And it's very true that we all have built upon the work that has come,
>and is happening, to support the cause as a whole. My intention was
>never to imply otherwise; I'm just concerned that some, not all,
>consider the Federation as the only organization to do anything pushing
>for the disability rights movement. This isn't diminishing the role of
>the NFB, but rather adding the other puzzle pieces to the picture.

>I think a lot of people seek a poster-child promoting all disabilities.
>I've found myself in similar circumstances before, and it is
>intimidating  trying to speak on behalf of all disabilities; it must be
>how the president feels when trying to serve all the various groups,
>parties and peoples of this country.

>Our over-all goal and message may be similar- independence for all, and
>with certain accommodations and positive mindsets, we can all achieve
>personal levels of independence. But when dealing directly with
>individual disabilities, a lot of variables are in play and the
>accommodations are equally varied. What I might require as a blind
>person isn't necessarily what a paraplegic requires or someone with CP.
>We can't exactly put one face to this collective.

>Sincerely,
>Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>Read my blog at:
>http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
> 
>"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:06:35 -0500
>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air
>	on PBS
>Message-ID: <auto-000033563712 at mailfront3.g2host.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

>Bridgit:

>It would probably be difficult, if not impossible to name one 
>"father" of the disability rights movement.  Each person builds on 
>what others before him or her accomplished.  I have heard of Ed 
>Roberts, and he certainly did a lot for the Independent Living 
>movement, particularly for those in wheelchairs.  Most of this was in 
>the 70's.  If tenBroek, and others hadn't done what they did in the 
>40's, the IL stuff might not have happened, people wouldn't have 
>thought it possible.  That is why I say each of us builds on what 
>came before us.  It is impossible to say what caused what etc.

>You are right that we tend to be blind-centric in the NFB.  On the 
>one hand, it may close us off from other things that we could benefit 
>from, and on the other hand, it is part of the reason we have 
>accomplished as much as we have for blind persons.

>For a brief time in the early 1980's I was heavily involved in an 
>Independent Living Center.  I got involved because of some assistance 
>they gave me, and I wanted to help them some.  I soon found myself 
>being put in the role of being a spokesperson for all disabled 
>persons in that area.  I was not comfortable with this -- as I didn't 
>know what the problems were for other disabled groups in any detail.

>Dave


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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 17:59:04 2011
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:59:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air
In-Reply-To: <auto-000004192485@mailback4.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000004192485@mailback4.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <CAOAY6p0r6XkDB8dSnBiFF-vXgzJidgsUzYmpFForGuzd9FbvTA@mail.gmail.com>

You talk about technology that does some damage to our independence,
Steve.  I was just writing a letter to the White House, and they have
a really good audio captcha, which it took me two tries to get right.
lol
Beth

On 10/25/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
> Bridget,
>
> Please allow me to reply to this note since I somehow didn't get the note
> that you addressed to me last
> night sent to my work machine.  I want to make it clear that I didn't think
> you were diminishing
> anything that our founders did, and that I do think we need to be sure we
> understand other efforts made
> by persons with disabilities.  It has always confused some, in my opinion,
> why we in the NFB didn't get
> more excited about the Americans with Disabilities Act because they didn't
> understand that we had gotten
> some of what the ADA represented into law through our white cane and other
> legislation years before.  I
> worry some that people may loose sight of how the general disability
> movement has helped us but also how
> it sometimes makes things more complicated for us.  I read another post on
> this subject that seemed to
> express some frustration that much money was spent on making a building
> accessible but little was done
> to make it accessible to the blind.  This, in my opinion, is an example of
> how our thinking has been
> negatively impacted by the general disability movement.  It really fits into
> the example I wrote about
> last night.  Some of us have been made to feel that since building
> accessibility is extremely important
> to much of the disability community that it has the same importance to us.
> Braille room numbers and
> such can be helpful, but the lack of such did not stop us from getting where
> we needed to go as the lack
> of ramps and elevators impacted those in wheelchairs or walkers.  This point
> was really brought home to
> me once when a number of us who were blind when with a friend of ours who
> was in a wheelchair to a
> restaurant where it turned out the elevator was out of order.  The elevator
> was the only way to get into
> the restaurant without walking down a wide staircase with perhaps fifteen
> stairs.  The staff felt very
> badly and offered to get a couple of people to carry her and her wheelchair
> down the stairs.  She was
> rightfully uncomfortable with that and made sure we knew that she was all
> right with us eating at this
> rastaurant and that she would go somewhere else.  Well, we decided not to
> eat there and find a place we
> could all enter without her having to be carried down the stairs by people
> she didn't know.  The
> restaurant was a generally accommodating restaurant and the elevator being
> out of order was not typical.
> Still, what it brought home to me was that this was a show stopper for my
> friend, and while an attempt
> to be accommodating was made, it involved her taking a physical risk,
> something that was on a totally
> different level than is ever experienced by my not having braille room
> numbers, for example.  On the
> other hand, I have seen examples of web accessibility where attention is
> paid to a number of things that
> affect other disabilities where we are specifically excluded because the
> pages used technology that
> could not be easily repaired.  Like you, I've known other disabled persons
> who truly did not understand
> that I could be independent.  However, I also recognize that there is a
> great deal I don't know about
> other disabilities as well.  While I believe I may understand some of the
> frustrations experienced by
> other disabilities, it would be wrong for me to think I can make decisions
> about them simply based upon
> an understanding of their frustrations.  The same is true the other way
> around.  Our commonness with
> other disabilities has to be tempered by our respective uniqueness.
>
> I do not see you as arguing with any of my points, but I've seen other
> postings that indicate to me that
> people don't keep what we all have common and what might be specific to
> blindness in perspective.  Your
> note was simply the motivating factor to write about this some.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:47:31 -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
>>Dave,
>
>>I agree, and the reason I bring up any other leader in the movement is
>>because others here have stated others as the "father" of the disability
>>rights movement. I would certainly agree that Tembroek, and later
>>Jernigan, were probably fathers of the early blind rights movement, and
>>of course they contributed to the movement as an entirety, but again,
>>when broadening the picture, others were equally instrumental in
>>establishing a firm voice seeking independence and equality for all with
>>disabilities.
>
>>And it's very true that we all have built upon the work that has come,
>>and is happening, to support the cause as a whole. My intention was
>>never to imply otherwise; I'm just concerned that some, not all,
>>consider the Federation as the only organization to do anything pushing
>>for the disability rights movement. This isn't diminishing the role of
>>the NFB, but rather adding the other puzzle pieces to the picture.
>
>>I think a lot of people seek a poster-child promoting all disabilities.
>>I've found myself in similar circumstances before, and it is
>>intimidating  trying to speak on behalf of all disabilities; it must be
>>how the president feels when trying to serve all the various groups,
>>parties and peoples of this country.
>
>>Our over-all goal and message may be similar- independence for all, and
>>with certain accommodations and positive mindsets, we can all achieve
>>personal levels of independence. But when dealing directly with
>>individual disabilities, a lot of variables are in play and the
>>accommodations are equally varied. What I might require as a blind
>>person isn't necessarily what a paraplegic requires or someone with CP.
>>We can't exactly put one face to this collective.
>
>>Sincerely,
>>Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>Read my blog at:
>>http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>>
>>"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>>The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
>>Message: 12
>>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:06:35 -0500
>>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air
>>	on PBS
>>Message-ID: <auto-000033563712 at mailfront3.g2host.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>>Bridgit:
>
>>It would probably be difficult, if not impossible to name one
>>"father" of the disability rights movement.  Each person builds on
>>what others before him or her accomplished.  I have heard of Ed
>>Roberts, and he certainly did a lot for the Independent Living
>>movement, particularly for those in wheelchairs.  Most of this was in
>>the 70's.  If tenBroek, and others hadn't done what they did in the
>>40's, the IL stuff might not have happened, people wouldn't have
>>thought it possible.  That is why I say each of us builds on what
>>came before us.  It is impossible to say what caused what etc.
>
>>You are right that we tend to be blind-centric in the NFB.  On the
>>one hand, it may close us off from other things that we could benefit
>>from, and on the other hand, it is part of the reason we have
>>accomplished as much as we have for blind persons.
>
>>For a brief time in the early 1980's I was heavily involved in an
>>Independent Living Center.  I got involved because of some assistance
>>they gave me, and I wanted to help them some.  I soon found myself
>>being put in the role of being a spokesperson for all disabled
>>persons in that area.  I was not comfortable with this -- as I didn't
>>know what the problems were for other disabled groups in any detail.
>
>>Dave
>
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 19:57:29 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:57:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and accessible buildings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1319562009.13983.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP223BFDA4F0DFF71BE9FCA59C4EC0@phx.gbl>

I agree. Beyond Braille and raised numbers, what is necessary for people
who are blind to navigate buildings? People with mobility issues or
those using chairs can't access chairs, and doorways and bathroom stalls
may be difficult to deal with if not the proper size, but there's
nothing beyond proper, accessible signage that is necessary for blind
people.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:46:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
	airs	on PBS
Message-ID:
	<1319510803.66975.YahooMailClassic at web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hello Carly,
How does a building need to be made accessible for the blind? A person
in a wheel chair can not clime stairs there a


From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 20:29:32 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:29:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability rights movement impacting blind movement
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1319562009.13983.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP441704EF0FB5A7C90B2D417C4EC0@phx.gbl>

Steve,

You're so right in your assessment of how certain ideas have negatively
impacted disabled people especially those with blindness. Coming from
the "sighted world" to the "blind world," I'm still acclimating to some
attitudes and ideas. Like you, I think we can learn from one another in
the disability rights movement, but each disability also has specific
needs, and what is important to one group, may not be so for another.

Your example of making buildings accessible is a great one. I still fail
to see how, beyond accessible signs, a building must be "accessible" to
the blind. I don't personally consider blindness a physical disability
in and of itself. I have no problem with my physical being. My arms,
legs, feet and hands work. I can no longer see, but this doesn't affect
my physical abilities- at least once I learned certain skills, I've been
able to do what I did sighted- driving excluded! Smile. So blindness is
a sensory disability to me. I fail to understand where others come from
with frustrations about buildings not being accessible for the blind. We
can go up and down stairs; we can walk through halls; we can find doors
and entrances; what possibly needs to be done to further accessibility
beyond Braille or raised numbers/letters, and perhaps busable locations.

But because other disabilities have demanded accessible features to
buildings, which for many is truly necessary, many blind people now
believe this is a top issue for them as well. We stop focusing on the
bigger priorities like better public transit or equal access to
information. We still have blind people thinking they require ramps or
elevators or that buildings should have simpler designs, whatever that
means. They don't realize how trivial these things are in the way of
accommodating those of us who are blind.

And I sense an attitude of entitlement to many of us. We certainly
should be accepted as equals, and therefore provided with equal access
to the world, but sometimes we're so accustomed to everything being
provided for us, we don't even consider doing it for ourselves. I mean
no disrespect here, but I read post after post about students not having
technology purchased, which rehab agencies should do, but at some point,
we need to truly be independent and take charge of our own lives. These
complaints are made while at the bottom of the post, it says sent from
an IPhone or Droid. Maybe the priority should have been a laptop or JAWS
or notetaker before the fancy phone. Oh the irony. We expect a lot, but
what do we expect for ourselves?

I'm veering off into dodgy territory here, but I get what you're saying
about other disability issues clouded the priorities of what is
important and necessary for blindness. We can work together and fight
for the entire movement as long as we understand what our individual
priorities should be. For the blind, accessible buildings isn't as
important as public transportation; having curb cut-outs isn't
necessary, but some audible noise on cars is necessary; living on the
first floor of a building doesn't help blind people more, but providing
more Braille signs, or allowing Braille labels to be placed in certain
areas, is very helpful. We should be aware of what, and who, is moving
the disability rights movement forward, but we can't lose sight of the
specific goals and priorities of those who are blind.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 9
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:58:16 -0500
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air
Message-ID: <auto-000004192485 at mailback4.g2host.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Bridget,

Please allow me to reply to this note since I somehow didn't get the
note that you addressed to me last 
night sent to my work machine.  I want to make it clear that I didn't
think you were diminishing 
anything that our founders did, and that I do think we need to be sure
we understand other efforts made 
by persons with disabilities.  It has always confused some, in my
opinion, why we in the NFB didn't get 
more excited about the Americans with Disabilities Act because they
didn't understand that we had gotten 
some of what the ADA represented into law through our white cane and
other legislation years before.  I 
worry some that people may loose sight of how the general disability
movement has helped us but also how 
it sometimes makes things more complicated for us.  I read another post
on this subject that seemed to 
express some frustration that much money was spent on making a building
accessible but little was done 
to make it accessible to the blind.  This, in my opinion, is an example
of how our thinking has been 
negatively impacted by the general disability movement.  It really fits
into the example I wrote about 
last night.  Some of us have been made to feel that since building
accessibility is extremely important 
to much of the disability community that it has the same importance to
us.  Braille room numbers and 
such can be helpful, but the lack of such did not stop us from getting
where we needed to go as the lack 
of ramps and elevators impacted those in wheelchairs or walkers.  This
point was really brought home to 
me once when a number of us who were blind when with a friend of ours
who was in a wheelchair to a 
restaurant where it turned out the elevator was out of order.  The
elevator was the only way to get into 
the restaurant without walking down a wide staircase with perhaps
fifteen stairs.  The staff felt very 
badly and offered to get a couple of people to carry her and her
wheelchair down the stairs.  She was 
rightfully uncomfortable with that and made sure we knew that she was
all right with us eating at this 
rastaurant and that she would go somewhere else.  Well, we decided not
to eat there and find a place we 
could all enter without her having to be carried down the stairs by
people she didn't know.  The 
restaurant was a generally accommodating restaurant and the elevator
being out of order was not typical.  
Still, what it brought home to me was that this was a show stopper for
my friend, and while an attempt 
to be accommodating was made, it involved her taking a physical risk,
something that was on a totally 
different level than is ever experienced by my not having braille room
numbers, for example.  On the 
other hand, I have seen examples of web accessibility where attention is
paid to a number of things that 
affect other disabilities where we are specifically excluded because the
pages used technology that 
could not be easily repaired.  Like you, I've known other disabled
persons who truly did not understand 
that I could be independent.  However, I also recognize that there is a
great deal I don't know about 
other disabilities as well.  While I believe I may understand some of
the frustrations experienced by 
other disabilities, it would be wrong for me to think I can make
decisions about them simply based upon 
an understanding of their frustrations.  The same is true the other way
around.  Our commonness with 
other disabilities has to be tempered by our respective uniqueness.

I do not see you as arguing with any of my points, but I've seen other
postings that indicate to me that 
people don't keep what we all have common and what might be specific to
blindness in perspective.  Your 
note was simply the motivating factor to write about this some.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson



From aphelps at BISM.org  Tue Oct 25 22:10:45 2011
From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:10:45 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Response to question about programs at BISM
Message-ID: <2F0E613B2BAE494FB8A70DD032F0F22840837150@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>

If anyone would like information about any services offered at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland, please feel free to contact me. My email is aphelps at bism.org. We have an adult program, called the CORE program that is a comprehensive residential program. We also have year-round programing for blind youth. We are excited to announce our new BISM Mentoring Program that will connect blind young adults ages 14-24 with successful adult blind mentors. The mentoring pairs will meet once a month and we will come together as a group once every three months for weekend activities and events. In addition, the Independence 2012 program for high school age students entering in the 10th, 11th, and 12th grades is returning. Last year's Independence 2011 was a great success and we are certain i2012 will also be great. We will also offer Independence "101" a three week residential program for middle school age youth.

We also have program for blind seniors, 55 and older. Please let me know if I can answer any questions for you. 

Thanks!  
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail CMT
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:55 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [Junk released by Allowed List] Re: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state

Yes BISM has a good adult program. I went and I feel that I learned so much more than if I would have done what my clunselor wanted me to do wich was have me attend both training centers in my state. I think I learned so much more going threw the eight month program at BISM. While you can't be prepaired for everything life puts in your way I know how to manage an apartment as well as other tasks all at the same time. I really don't think this would be possible if I had gone to both training centers in my state.
Rania,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:46 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state

Amy Phelps, the programs director at BISM, is on this list.  
Apparently, BISM is very good now.  I didn't have a very good experience when I went there when I was like 7, but I'm sure that has changed with the change of directors.  I have a friend who went to Blind Inc, but unfortunately isn't on this list.  You can contact him offlist at jaedpo96 at gmail.com, and his name is Jason.  
Another friend of mine, Nathan Clark, who is on this list, went to Colorado a few times, and I'm planning to go to Colorado next year.

Chris

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:25:05 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] justifying more rehab service out of state

Hi Ashley,
I think the first step will be identifying a specific 
out-of-state
center that you want to attend.  Then, once you've identified the
center you want, you can base your argument on specific things 
they do
at the center you are choosing that are better than what is 
provided
at the center you attended previously.  If you just tell your 
counselor
that you want more training, they will try to steer you toward an
in-state or in-contract center.  So do your research and look for
centers that you think would cater to your specific O&M, 
independent
living and computer skills needs.
There are some state-run centers that have good reputations and 
are
staffed by a mix of NFB and non-NFB members.  For example, I have 
heard
good things about the state centers in Nebraska, New Mexico and 
Utah.
Also, I believe you attended the Carroll center, right? There is
another center in Richmond, VA that is now directed by a 
Federationist
(Melody Lindsay I believe) but they have a mix of NFB and 
traditional
practices.  I would suggest calling up the directors of a few 
different
centers and asking some detailed questions about how the 
curriculum is
set up, what students typically achieve by the time of graduation 
etc.
so you can gauge what their expectations are and what their 
teaching
style is.
Finally, I would recommend speaking with the director of at least 
one
of the NFB centers before ruling them out altogether.  You may 
have
done this already, but if you haven't, it's possible that you may 
not
have a complete understanding of how skills are taught at the NFB
centers, so talking with either a center director or with center
graduates could be helpful.  If you would like to pose any 
specific
questions about the NFB centers on-list, we would be happy to 
answer
them.  One thing to keep in mind is that the NFB centers work 
with some
students who are very poor travelers and have a lot of trouble 
with
spatial awareness when they come in.  While these people do 
struggle
with the structured-discovery method at first, from what I've 
observed
they do end up being better travelers by the time they leave than 
when
they come in, which is really the goal of any training program.  
With
cooking at the NFB centers, students have to do the entire 
project
themselves-from finding and retrieving ingredients at the 
beginning to
cleanup at the end-which is different from the group cooking 
projects
that you described.
Best,
Arielle

On 10/23/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Hi all,

 I come from an overprotective family and did not learn the 
living skills at
 the same time as my peers or sighted brothers.  My parents 
seemed to feel it
 was easier to do something than teach me what to do.  I was 
supported well
 for academics but not living skills.  I was encouraged to keep 
up with
 reading in the summer and like all kids I watched kids 
educational TV like
 Sesemee street.  I still remember Elmo and Ernie; they were 
cute!

 I grew up in a white middle class family so fortunately my 
parents bought me
 many toys and educational materials throughout  my 
childhood/youth.  The
 major things we got paid for via the lions club or the 
department for the
 blind and vision impaired, DBVI, when I was a teen.  But they 
bought many
 supplies and talking products for me and some were daily life 
functional too
 including bold line paper, braille paper, labeling tape, 
labeling dots, a
 talking calculator, talking timer, and a braille embosser and 
more.

 However it wasn뭪 til a rehab teacher came to us as a teenager 
that I
 learned some basic kitchen stuff and how to cut food.  For 
instance, I
 learned to do my laundry and make cereal and label with dymo 
tape at this
 point.

 Now to my point.  I mention this stuff for some context where I 
am as a young
 adult.  I attended our state center and did learn some more, but 
it was not
 enough.  They do not give you the core classes every day.  The 
instruction in
 daily living was fine, in my opinion, but simply was not enough 
and besides
 I lack confidence.  I had a cooking teacher who was not hands on 
enough for
 me.  If the whole class makes one thing, that doesn뭪 help me 
learn.  I need
 to do it to learn it meaning I need to do all steps in making a 
cake to
 understand how its done.  Instead, we took turns doing the steps 
to make one
 product.  The computer instruction was too basic and I asked for 
more
 intermediate skills and they said they wouldn뭪 cover it; not in 
their
 curriculum.  The instruction was fine for a beginner though.  
Their lessons
 gave you lots of repetition and practice.

 I am contemplating another center; I뭠l admit I do not feel a 
NFB center is
 for me.
 I just feel the structured discovery approach would not work; I 
want a more
 hands on and explicit approach.


 So here is the thing.
 How do you convince rehab you need training? What if you have a 
lot of
 skills? I use them regularly in school; I뭢 taking writing 
classes next
 spring at community college to finish a certificate.
 I use my computer skills of word processing and research for 
school.  I used
 the computer to look for work and generate cover letters.  Still 
I need more
 such as learning excell though.
 I already learned braille, labeling, and organization in school 
and through
 a rehab teacher.
 I also use a cane and know some O&M although I could improve 
there too.

 How do you convince them especially when you have some skills? 
What if they
 say, Ashley we can send a rehab teacher to your house.  But the 
rehab teacher
 in my area won뭪 work due to her low expectations and she뭩 a 
heavy smoker.

 I know home teaching will be their reaction because most skills 
revolve
 around cooking, cleaning, home maintenance, clothing care like 
ironing and
 other home tasks.
 What if they say go back to the state center.  Of course I don뭪 
want that.

 I don뭪 know if I want to go or not yet.  Again, I뭢 
brainstorming and
 preparing possible arguments while I have time so I뭢 ready if I 
decide time
 is right.  Next semester I뭠l be at Nova, community college, 
though; I뭢
 finishing a certificate and taking an elective, probably public 
speaking, to
 further my business skills.



 Even though I won뭪 do a NFB center, I want to go out of state, 
so
 justifying is about the same process.  But if you justified it 
and won to go
 out of state at a NFB center, I figured some of the same 
principles can
 apply elsewhere to exercise informed choice.

 Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 25 22:42:47 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:42:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipad use and comparison
Message-ID: <0E395115A86D4E16A7102162DA2CC0A7@OwnerPC>

Hi all,
I’m considering getting a mainstream portable notetaking device. What is an Ipad like? Other than email/internet, what does it do?
How is the speech? Does it have a tactile overlay since it’s a touch screen? Also how does it compare to a laptop or one of our  braille notetakers such as a Braille Note?


I’m kind of behind in technology. All my technology is old except for jaws. Heck I bought a computer a year ago, so its old now! Considering that windows 8 will come out soon, I’m definitely going to be behind. I happen to like old technology too. Its simple and durable. I got cassettes that I’ve had 15 years that still work! But I realized I need a small notetaking device that is portable and can be carried easily in a purse or tote bag. Can an Ipad be connected to a regular keyboard? What about a braille display?

I have my indispensable Braille Note but that is also old and is a pain to lug around due to its size. 
I will keep using the Braille Note until it crashes though. I cannot afford to upgrade to the Apex, and VR won’t help.
At least I was able to get a keysoft upgrade when it went in for repairs.
I thought since I don’t want an I phone that maybe an Ipad might be a good thing since I like to get emails and on trips need access to them.
I don’t use a phone that much and I’m not crazy about getting all those Aps to justify the expense.


So any thoughts about this. Thanks!

Ashley

From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 23:03:21 2011
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:03:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
Message-ID: <4ea74046.b31a340a.2ca4.689a@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Ashley,

I=20can't=20help=20you=20very=20much=20with=20techniques=20for=20shopping=20=
for=20
clothes,=20perfume=20and=20jewelry,=20as=20most=20of=20these=20questions=20=
would=20be=20
better=20answered=20by=20ladies,=20which=20I'm=20not.=20=20But=20I=20can=20=
give=20you=20one=20
resource=20for=20finding=20out=20the=20fassion=20trends.=20=20There's=20a=20=
lady=20
named=20Lynn=20Cooper=20who=20started=20an=20initiative=20called=20the=20Mi=
rrors=20
Project,=20to=20make=20fassion=20more=20accessible=20to=20people=20with=20
disabilities.=20=20She=20comes=20on=20ACB=20Reports,=20which=20can=20be=20h=
eard=20on=20
acbradio.org,=20twice=20every=20season=20to=20give=20her=20Fassion=20Report=
,=20
describing
that=20season's=20fassion=20trends=20for=20both=20men=20and=20women.=20=20T=
his=20is=20a=20
good=20resource=20to=20find=20a=20detailed=20description=20of=20all=20the=20=
trends=20
spesifically=20tailored=20for=20blind=20people.=20=20Lynn's=20Web=20site=20=
is=20
www.lynncooper.us=20and=20you=20can=20find=20the=202011=20ACB=20Reports=20s=
hows=20on=20
www.acb.org.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2024=20Oct=202011=2014:47:40=20-0400
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20techniques=20for=20shopping=20and=20trends

Hi=20all,

What=20are=20techniques=20for=20clothes=20shopping?=20What=20do=20you=20nee=
d=20to=20
know=20when=20going=20to=20shop?=20Of=20course,=20the=20size=20and=20brand=
=20you=20wear=20
are=20important.=20=20What=20else?

I=20know=20how=20to=20shop=20for=20regular=20items=20like=20groceries;=20yo=
u=20just=20ask=20
a=20clerk=20in=20the=20store.=20=20But=20clothes=20are=20different.=20=20Yo=
u=20need=20the=20
right=20thing=20and=20often=20need=20to=20try=20things=20on.=20=20I=E2=80=99=
m=20sure=20picking=20
out=20something=20like=20jeans,=20sweat=20pants,=20or=20a=20casual=20shirt=
=20is=20
easier=20than=20picking=20out=20something=20more=20dressy.=20=20Personally,=
=20I=20
grew=20up=20using=20JCPenney=20and=20Hects=20before=20they=20were=20bought.=
=20=20We=20
also=20use=20Macy=E2=80=99s=20too.

Also,=20how=20do=20you=20pick=20perfume=20out?=20What=20about=20jewelry?=20=
We=20cannot=20
see=20it=20in=20the=20case.

I=20know=20some=20stores=20have=20personal=20shoppers.=20=20Do=20they=20cha=
rge=20for=20
their=20service?=20If=20you=20used=20one,=20how=20did=20it=20go?=20How=20lo=
ng=20do=20you=20
have=20with=20them?=20Some=20blind=20people=20always=20shop=20with=20family=
=20so=20they=20
can=20get=20feedback=20on=20how=20they=20look.=20=20I;=E2=80=99d=20rather=20=
pick=20my=20own=20
things=20and=20pick=20out=20something=20independent=20from=20my=20mother=E2=
=80=99s=20
taste=20though,=20sometime.

Also,=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20into=20fashion=20much,=20but=20its=20good=20to=
=20be=20aware=20of=20
trends=20and=20the=20latest=20stuff=20so=20we=20can=20pick=20them=20if=20we=
=20want.=20=20How=20
do=20you=20find=20out=20about=20that=20stuff?=20Are=20reading=20magazines=20=
such=20as=20
Seventeen=20a=20good=20idea=20even=20though=20we=20can=E2=80=99t=20see=20th=
e=20pictures?

Thanks.

Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 26 01:59:15 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:59:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
In-Reply-To: <4ea74046.b31a340a.2ca4.689a@mx.google.com>
References: <4ea74046.b31a340a.2ca4.689a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A8919C3F86B644BEB94C2BBAE4EE43B7@OwnerPC>

Thanks Chris.
Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is one 
technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes based on 
skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you for size. I 
would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but I wouldn't want to 
pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try and 
pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get a shoe 
salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I see what is 
there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that shoe looks good. But 
I wonder a better, independent way even if its with sales staff.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends

Hi Ashley,

I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
better answered by ladies, which I'm not.  But I can give you one
resource for finding out the fassion trends.  There's a lady
named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
disabilities.  She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
describing
that season's fassion trends for both men and women.  This is a
good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
spesifically tailored for blind people.  Lynn's Web site is
www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
www.acb.org.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends

Hi all,

What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
are important.  What else?

I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
a clerk in the store.  But clothes are different.  You need the
right thing and often need to try things on.  I?�m sure picking
out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
easier than picking out something more dressy.  Personally, I
grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought.  We
also use Macy?�s too.

Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
see it in the case.

I know some stores have personal shoppers.  Do they charge for
their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
can get feedback on how they look.  I;?�d rather pick my own
things and pick out something independent from my mother?�s
taste though, sometime.

Also, I?�m not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want.  How
do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
Seventeen a good idea even though we can?�t see the pictures?

Thanks.

Ashley
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Wed Oct 26 02:25:22 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:25:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
Message-ID: a71df238-fd36-4f03-8d25-e231809ad4d9@samobile.net

Dr. tenBroek wrote "The Right to ive in the World and the aw of Torts," 
a document chalenging the concept of contributory neglegence, the idea 
that a blind or otherwise disabled person should stay at home lest the 
get hurt; a bind or otherwise disabled person who ventures out into the 
world is considered neglectful if they got hurt.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Chris,

> I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak for a
> panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an interview with
> Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
> interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy accomplished.

> Roberts also established the first independent living centers in this
> country. He believed any person with a disability can have independence
> and we have every right to demand that independence.

> It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the father
> of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often referred
> to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or either
> man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing the
> disability rights movement. A lot of people and various disabilities
> belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us, and we
> want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful person
> who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and it's
> founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled community.
> When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the most
> positive work, but other people and entities exist who share similar
> goals and philosophies towards disability.

> Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his disability,
> high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or even
> enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
> requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many believed it
> wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability because
> he'd never be able to truly participate in society.

> He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the accommodations
> necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his acceptance to
> UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
> department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
> students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great experience,
> and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I can't form
> an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot that has
> helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.

> Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
> organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people that's led
> by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of the
> World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations worldwide
> is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
> employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living with
> disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
> research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
> provides technical assistance.

> Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?

> I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
> organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific needs
> each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in common,
> and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working together,
> would give us a louder voice to make change.

> It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization pushing
> progressive, total independence.

> For any interested, here's a link to WID's website: http://www.wid.org/

> Sincerely,
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Read my blog at:
> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>         list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
>         airs    onPBS
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

> Hi Bridgit,

> I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
> now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
> himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
> blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
> by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
> on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
> fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
> many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
> day.

> Chris


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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Wed Oct 26 02:39:17 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:39:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
	airs	on PBS
Message-ID: f7e356da-bd2c-4e31-86a5-4c347768eca3@samobile.net

Patrick,

What is it about buildings and their layouts that would be inaccessible 
to blind persons? Or, put another way, what do you mean by making a 
building's layout easier for a blind person to navigate?

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Anmol,
> I've followed this discussion for a little while now. You ask: "How
> does a building need to be made accessible for the blind?" There are
> several things that can be done. First, the addition of Braille signs
> for rooms. Second, the building could be laid out a certain way so
> that it was easy to navigate. Another way that some buildings could be
> made accessible would be for them to provide a tactile map of the
> building in the lobby. I noticed that there were several tactile maps
> when I was down in Washington, D.C. this past summer. Beyond this,
> there's really not a whole lot that buildings can do to make
> themselves more accessible. I hope this helps you.
> Patrick

> On 10/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hello Carly,
>> How does a building need to be made accessible for the blind? A person in a
>> wheel chair can not clime stairs there a

>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
>> among flowers.
>> Hellen Keller


>> --- On Mon, 10/24/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>> From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
>>> airs on PBS
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 12:25 AM


>>> Hi, Bridgit,

>>> Here in Berkeley, we have the Ed Roberts Campus, which is
>>> designed to
>>> be this one-stop shop for agencies serving folk with
>>> disability. I
>>> have noticed that, though they spent tons of cash on this
>>> building
>>> which is all sup'd up for chairs, it is really inaccessible
>>> for folk
>>> who are blind. In the ERC's defense, It seems no easy feat
>>> to make
>>> the same facility accessable for both blind folks as well
>>> as chairs.
>>> This must be because our needs and abilities are so
>>> divergent.
>>> Today, they are having problems making this building named
>>> for this
>>> disability pioneer, a meaningful, presence in the
>>> disability
>>> community.however, I have to point out that many, many
>>> other people have been
>>>> instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the
>>> NFB is but one
>>>> organization. Because a group like the Federation
>>> focuses solely on one
>>>> disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist
>>> out there.

>>>> Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned
>>> when discussing
>>>> rights for those with disabilities. He started the
>>> entire independent
>>>> living movement, and he's the first person to establish
>>> independent
>>>> living centers for those with disabilities. Roberts was
>>> diagnosed with
>>>> Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body
>>> from the neck down
>>>> except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron
>>> lung most his life.
>>>> Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on
>>> disability,
>>>> spurring others to get on board with accepting
>>> disability as a part of
>>>> life. He is known for saying "differently able," it was
>>> Roberts who
>>>> initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people
>>> with disabilities
>>>> could travel with whatever accomodations necessary
>>> especially those
>>>> using wheelchairs.

>>>> The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to
>>> students with
>>>> disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges
>>> around the
>>>> country, was headed by Ed Roberts. Because of this guy
>>> who few actually
>>>> know of, students with disabilities are offered
>>> services on their
>>>> respective campuses. Schools lacking stellar services
>>> should be ashamed
>>>> because that was never Roberts idea of quality
>>> services. Berkley has one
>>>> of, if not thee, best disability services in the
>>> country.

>>>> So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot
>>> and is certainly
>>>> a powerful, important organization, double check facts.
>>> No pun intended,
>>>> but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of
>>> disability in general.
>>>> The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for
>>> blindness alone,
>>>> but in terms of the disability rights movement as a
>>> whole, many have
>>>> come before, and many are still around.

>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was
>>> written down."
>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
>>>> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability
>>> Rights

>>>    Documentary
>>>    Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
>>>> October 27
>>>> Message-ID: b9626ff6-e05b-419d-9ef1-2d8812f5fc58 at samobile.net
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> format="flowed"

>>>> That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems
>>> how Jacobus
>>>> tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement
>>> through his
>>>> scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is
>>> probably one of
>>>> the strongest in the overall Disability Rights
>>> Movement.

>>>> And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will
>>> be available
>>>> online as I don't have a television?.

>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Jedi


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From hogle.sam at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 02:39:13 2011
From: hogle.sam at gmail.com (Sam Hogle)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:39:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
helps.
Sam
On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Thanks Chris.
> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
> with sales staff.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
> describing
> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
> www.acb.org.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hi all,
>
> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
> are important. What else?
>
> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
> also use Macy?셲 too.
>
> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
> see it in the case.
>
> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
> taste though, sometime.
>
> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From carlymih at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 26 02:53:38 2011
From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:53:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary airs
 on PBS
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Good afternoon,
  I simply meant that, at the Ed Roberts campus, there are myriad 
open spaces and long halls especially designed to facilitate chairs 
passing one another within a same hallway.
But no, there are no specific alterations needed to make a building 
more accessible, for blind folk.
for today,
Car.net> wrote:

> > From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights 
> documentary airs on PBS
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 12:25 AM
> >
> >
> > Hi, Bridgit,
> >
> > Here in Berkeley, we have the Ed Roberts Campus, which is
> > designed to
> > be this one-stop shop for agencies serving folk with
> > disability. I
> > have noticed that, though they spent tons of cash on this
> > building
> > which is all sup'd up for chairs, it is really inaccessible
> > for folk
> > who are blind. In the ERC's defense, It seems no easy feat
> > to make
> > the same facility accessable for both blind folks as well
> > as chairs.
> > This must be because our needs and abilities are so
> > divergent.
> > Today, they are having problems making this building named
> > for this
> > disability pioneer, a meaningful, presence in the
> > disability
> > community.however, I have to point out that many, many
> > other people have been
> > >instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the
> > NFB is but one
> > >organization. Because a group like the Federation
> > focuses solely on one
> > >disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist
> > out there.
> > >
> > >Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned
> > when discussing
> > >rights for those with disabilities. He started the
> > entire independent
> > >living movement, and he's the first person to establish
> > independent
> > >living centers for those with disabilities. Roberts was
> > diagnosed with
> > >Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body
> > from the neck down
> > >except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron
> > lung most his life.
> > >Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on
> > disability,
> > >spurring others to get on board with accepting
> > disability as a part of
> > >life. He is known for saying "differently able," it was
> > Roberts who
> > >initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people
> > with disabilities
> > >could travel with whatever accomodations necessary
> > especially those
> > >using wheelchairs.
> > >
> > >The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to
> > students with
> > >disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges
> > around the
> > >country, was headed by Ed Roberts. Because of this guy
> > who few actually
> > >know of, students with disabilities are offered
> > services on their
> > >respective campuses. Schools lacking stellar services
> > should be ashamed
> > >because that was never Roberts idea of quality
> > services. Berkley has one
> > >of, if not thee, best disability services in the
> > country.
> > >
> > >So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot
> > and is certainly
> > >a powerful, important organization, double check facts.
> > No pun intended,
> > >but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of
> > disability in general.
> > >The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for
> > blindness alone,
> > >but in terms of the disability rights movement as a
> > whole, many have
> > >come before, and many are still around.
> > >
> > >Sincerely,
> > >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> > >Read my blog at:
> > >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
> > >
> > >"History is not what happened; history is what was
> > written down."
> > >The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
> > >
> > >Message: 3
> > >Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
> > >From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> > >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability
> > Rights
> > >
> >    Documentary
> >    Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
> > >October 27
> > >Message-ID: b9626ff6-e05b-419d-9ef1-2d8812f5fc58 at samobile.net
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > format="flowed"
> > >
> > >That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems
> > how Jacobus
> > >tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement
> > through his
> > >scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is
> > probably one of
> > >the strongest in the overall Disability Rights
> > Movement.
> > >
> > >And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will
> > be available
> > >online as I don't have a television?.
> > >
> > >Respectfully,
> > >Jedi
> > >
> > >
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 26 02:58:25 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:58:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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Sam,
Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are 
laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance the 
sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales associate to 
help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they are supposed to 
help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the right size.

We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the 
browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little 
vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to 
the right shoe row.
My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go with 
slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can do some 
shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to measure feet 
and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they have more sales 
staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that its easy to get 
help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a question in the 
clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time! Sighted people need help 
finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after all department stores 
are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all the money, they are 
stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist customers. Another  good 
thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is I've noticed their customer 
service is overall better. If you need to order shoes, they take care of 
that well. Clothes stores aren't the greatest; they may take your order, but 
fail to notify you when its in or enter the rong thing in.

I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.


Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Hogle
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends

Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
helps.
Sam
On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Thanks Chris.
> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
> with sales staff.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
> describing
> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
> www.acb.org.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hi all,
>
> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
> are important. What else?
>
> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
> also use Macy?셲 too.
>
> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
> see it in the case.
>
> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
> taste though, sometime.
>
> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Wed Oct 26 02:58:40 2011
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:58:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability documentary to air on PBS
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Think there's something wrong with my L key. Sorry folks.

Respectfully Submitted

Original message:
> Dr. tenBroek wrote "The Right to ive in the World and the aw of Torts,"
> a document chalenging the concept of contributory neglegence, the idea
> that a blind or otherwise disabled person should stay at home lest the
> get hurt; a bind or otherwise disabled person who ventures out into the
> world is considered neglectful if they got hurt.

> Respectfully,
> Jedi

> Original message:
>> Chris,

>> I hadn't heard of Ed Roberts either until I was invited to speak for a
>> panel on disability awareness a while ago. They showed an interview with
>> Roberts from the 60's or 70's; I believe it was an old 60 Minutes
>> interview. I was surprised to learn how much this guy accomplished.

>> Roberts also established the first independent living centers in this
>> country. He believed any person with a disability can have independence
>> and we have every right to demand that independence.

>> It's interesting how many of you have coined Dr. Tembroek as the father
>> of the disability rights movement because Ed Roberts is often referred
>> to as the same. I've done no detailed research on the topic or either
>> man, but I think we need to be a bit more open when discussing the
>> disability rights movement. A lot of people and various disabilities
>> belong to this movement. Blindness is of course important to us, and we
>> want the equality and accommodations necessary to be a successful person
>> who is blind, but we also should realize that the Federation and it's
>> founding fathers are not the end-all-be-all in the disabled community.
>> When it comes to blindness, the Federation has probably done the most
>> positive work, but other people and entities exist who share similar
>> goals and philosophies towards disability.

>> Roberts was referred to as a "cripple," and because of his disability,
>> high schools and colleges didn't want to allow him to graduate or even
>> enroll. His disability was considered too severe to accomplish
>> requirements necessary for school, and in the long run, many believed it
>> wasn't worth it for a person with such a "severe" disability because
>> he'd never be able to truly participate in society.

>> He fought to achieve higher education, and to receive the accommodations
>> necessary to accomplish this goal. This is why, upon his acceptance to
>> UC Berkley, he pioneered what has become the disability services
>> department most colleges now have. In terms of services for blind
>> students, I've heard mixed thoughts. Some have had a great experience,
>> and others not so much. Not having attended Berkley myself, I can't form
>> an opinion, but I can say that apparently Ed Roberts did a lot that has
>> helped a lot of disabled students achieve higher education.

>> Roberts also helped create the World Institute on Disability, an
>> organization dedicated to changing life for disabled people that's led
>> by disabled people. Here's its mission statement: The mission of the
>> World Institute on Disability (WID) in communities and nations worldwide
>> is to eliminate barriers to full social integration and increase
>> employment, economic security and healthcare for persons living with
>> disabilities. WID creates innovative programs and tools, conducts
>> research, public education, training and advocacy campaigns; and
>> provides technical assistance.

>> Hmmm... Who does this sound like? Familiar?

>> I think we need to open our eyes and learn to work with other
>> organizations sharing our goals and missions. We do have specific needs
>> each respective group pushes individually, but we have a lot in common,
>> and perhaps working together on more efforts, truly working together,
>> would give us a louder voice to make change.

>> It's a big world and the Federation isn't the only organization pushing
>> progressive, total independence.

>> For any interested, here's a link to WID's website: http://www.wid.org/

>> Sincerely,
>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> Read my blog at:
>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

>> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:21:18 -0400
>> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>         list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
>>         airs    onPBS
>> Message-ID: <4ea5665b.8a8bec0a.1b3c.fffff29c at mx.google.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

>> Hi Bridgit,

>> I just learned something! I'd never heard of Ed Roberts until
>> now! So, if you think about it, although Roberts wasn't blind
>> himself nor was he involved in the Federation (or any other
>> blindness organization for that matter,) he did something for us
>> by fighting for the right of people with disabilities to travel
>> on airplanes (which the Federation also fought for,) and by
>> fighting for accomodations to be provided at universities, which
>> many of us on this very list are reeping the benefits of every
>> day.

>> Chris


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 26 03:02:43 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:02:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights
	documentaryairs	on PBS
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Jedi,
Although not as critical as ramps or elevators for physical impairments, I 
suggest that building accessibility have some elements for us. This makes 
navigation more efficient and independent. Label room numbers and restrooms. 
Do not hang objects overhead because a cane cannot reach them. You can ask a 
room number, but then you have to either find someone or wait til someone 
comes by. I recall being in an older university building with no braille 
signs. I had a hard time locating a particular office. I couldn't find 
anyone to ask for a long time; many offices are locked so you cannot exactly 
barge in and ask. But overall accessibility to buildings needs more work for 
physical disabilities.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jedi
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentaryairs 
on PBS

Patrick,

What is it about buildings and their layouts that would be inaccessible
to blind persons? Or, put another way, what do you mean by making a
building's layout easier for a blind person to navigate?

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Anmol,
> I've followed this discussion for a little while now. You ask: "How
> does a building need to be made accessible for the blind?" There are
> several things that can be done. First, the addition of Braille signs
> for rooms. Second, the building could be laid out a certain way so
> that it was easy to navigate. Another way that some buildings could be
> made accessible would be for them to provide a tactile map of the
> building in the lobby. I noticed that there were several tactile maps
> when I was down in Washington, D.C. this past summer. Beyond this,
> there's really not a whole lot that buildings can do to make
> themselves more accessible. I hope this helps you.
> Patrick

> On 10/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hello Carly,
>> How does a building need to be made accessible for the blind? A person in 
>> a
>> wheel chair can not clime stairs there a

>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a 
>> breeze
>> among flowers.
>> Hellen Keller


>> --- On Mon, 10/24/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>> From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
>>> airs on PBS
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 12:25 AM


>>> Hi, Bridgit,

>>> Here in Berkeley, we have the Ed Roberts Campus, which is
>>> designed to
>>> be this one-stop shop for agencies serving folk with
>>> disability. I
>>> have noticed that, though they spent tons of cash on this
>>> building
>>> which is all sup'd up for chairs, it is really inaccessible
>>> for folk
>>> who are blind. In the ERC's defense, It seems no easy feat
>>> to make
>>> the same facility accessable for both blind folks as well
>>> as chairs.
>>> This must be because our needs and abilities are so
>>> divergent.
>>> Today, they are having problems making this building named
>>> for this
>>> disability pioneer, a meaningful, presence in the
>>> disability
>>> community.however, I have to point out that many, many
>>> other people have been
>>>> instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the
>>> NFB is but one
>>>> organization. Because a group like the Federation
>>> focuses solely on one
>>>> disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist
>>> out there.

>>>> Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned
>>> when discussing
>>>> rights for those with disabilities. He started the
>>> entire independent
>>>> living movement, and he's the first person to establish
>>> independent
>>>> living centers for those with disabilities. Roberts was
>>> diagnosed with
>>>> Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body
>>> from the neck down
>>>> except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron
>>> lung most his life.
>>>> Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on
>>> disability,
>>>> spurring others to get on board with accepting
>>> disability as a part of
>>>> life. He is known for saying "differently able," it was
>>> Roberts who
>>>> initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people
>>> with disabilities
>>>> could travel with whatever accomodations necessary
>>> especially those
>>>> using wheelchairs.

>>>> The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to
>>> students with
>>>> disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges
>>> around the
>>>> country, was headed by Ed Roberts. Because of this guy
>>> who few actually
>>>> know of, students with disabilities are offered
>>> services on their
>>>> respective campuses. Schools lacking stellar services
>>> should be ashamed
>>>> because that was never Roberts idea of quality
>>> services. Berkley has one
>>>> of, if not thee, best disability services in the
>>> country.

>>>> So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot
>>> and is certainly
>>>> a powerful, important organization, double check facts.
>>> No pun intended,
>>>> but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of
>>> disability in general.
>>>> The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for
>>> blindness alone,
>>>> but in terms of the disability rights movement as a
>>> whole, many have
>>>> come before, and many are still around.

>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/

>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was
>>> written down."
>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
>>>> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability
>>> Rights

>>>    Documentary
>>>    Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
>>>> October 27
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>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> format="flowed"

>>>> That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems
>>> how Jacobus
>>>> tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement
>>> through his
>>>> scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is
>>> probably one of
>>>> the strongest in the overall Disability Rights
>>> Movement.

>>>> And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will
>>> be available
>>>> online as I don't have a television?.

>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Jedi


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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 03:19:15 2011
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:19:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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Hello Ashley and all,
Ashley, just a few things.
You Do Not Have To Pay for Personal Shoppers. Personal shoppers are
people who the department stores hire and who can help you browse and
select clothes.  However, they do not do your shopping for you. In
other words, if I go to Macys and say, hi, I want to shop, they will
ask me questions like, what kind of clothes, for what occasions, etc.
It's also important to know what colors suit you. If you do not,
that's something they can help you with.
In many places it's best if you have an appointment, however,
depending on the day it might not be necessary. If you go to Macys or
Bloomies on a Saturday when there's a sale, you might have a harder
time getting a personal shopper.
As far as shoe shopping. There is no reason why you can’t touch stuff.
 And really, there's also no reason why anyone should be visually
looking for you and pickiing out your shoes. After all, you want to
have shoes that you like, and that are your style. So go to macys, or
dsw, or bakers, or whereever and if you have to go row by row until
you find something you fall in love with, then that's what you do. I
know what kinds of shoes I like, after many years of browsing. I also
keep up with the seasonal trends, so when i go to a department srore I
usually already know what brands I want to check out and just ask the
sales reps where those brands are. And then they bring me my shoes.
Also, yes they can measure your feet, but shoe size doesn't vary that
much, so if you know what shoe size you need, they can just bring it
out to you. If you are looking for a rare color in shoes, for example,
I needed some gold shoes a few years ago, that’s a good situation in
which you should ask a sales rep for assistance.
The student Slate will have an article with basic fashion tips on the
next issue so look out for it. It might answer some of the questions
you have.

Sincerely,
Mary


On 10/25/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Sam,
> Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are
> laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance the
> sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales associate to
> help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they are supposed to
> help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the right size.
>
> We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the
> browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little
> vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to
> the right shoe row.
> My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go with
> slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can do some
> shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to measure feet
> and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they have more sales
> staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that its easy to get
> help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a question in the
> clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time! Sighted people need help
> finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after all department stores
> are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all the money, they are
> stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist customers. Another  good
> thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is I've noticed their customer
> service is overall better. If you need to order shoes, they take care of
> that well. Clothes stores aren't the greatest; they may take your order, but
> fail to notify you when its in or enter the rong thing in.
>
> I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.
>
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Hogle
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
> the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
> the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
> weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
> I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
> in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
> stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
> know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
> helps.
> Sam
> On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>> Thanks Chris.
>> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
>> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
>> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
>> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
>> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
>> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
>> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
>> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
>> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
>> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
>> with sales staff.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>>
>> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
>> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
>> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
>> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
>> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
>> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
>> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
>> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
>> describing
>> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
>> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
>> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
>> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
>> www.acb.org.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
>> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
>> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
>> are important. What else?
>>
>> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
>> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
>> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
>> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
>> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
>> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
>> also use Macy?셲 too.
>>
>> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
>> see it in the case.
>>
>> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
>> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
>> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
>> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
>> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
>> taste though, sometime.
>>
>> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
>> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
>> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
>> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 26 03:35:40 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:35:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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ary,
Thanks for the encouragement. As I said,  I definitely want to go buy more 
shoes next year. And maybe I'll go alone or with another girl not in my 
family so I can actually take the time and browse and know what is there.

I did not think you paid for personal shoppers. Good to know. I think making 
an appointment sounds good so you know their available. We shop Macy's  a 
lot. So you're saying Macy's and Bloomingdales have personal shoppers. What 
if you don't know your size? Do they do measurements? I say that because a 
size 14 in one brand will be a size 12 in another. So you don't always know. 
Of course they cannot do the shopping for you. They don't know you. Its not 
like the grocery or drug store where they say, "what do you need?" and you 
say X Y Z and
they try and run off and fetch the items for you. Yes I've had that happen. 
I don't want them to pick the kind of soap or shampoo I want. I want to shop 
with them just using their eyes as a guide. So I go with them. And if they 
act too busy to do that, I come back.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mary Fernandez
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:19 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends

Hello Ashley and all,
Ashley, just a few things.
You Do Not Have To Pay for Personal Shoppers. Personal shoppers are
people who the department stores hire and who can help you browse and
select clothes.  However, they do not do your shopping for you. In
other words, if I go to Macys and say, hi, I want to shop, they will
ask me questions like, what kind of clothes, for what occasions, etc.
It's also important to know what colors suit you. If you do not,
that's something they can help you with.
In many places it's best if you have an appointment, however,
depending on the day it might not be necessary. If you go to Macys or
Bloomies on a Saturday when there's a sale, you might have a harder
time getting a personal shopper.
As far as shoe shopping. There is no reason why you can’t touch stuff.
And really, there's also no reason why anyone should be visually
looking for you and pickiing out your shoes. After all, you want to
have shoes that you like, and that are your style. So go to macys, or
dsw, or bakers, or whereever and if you have to go row by row until
you find something you fall in love with, then that's what you do. I
know what kinds of shoes I like, after many years of browsing. I also
keep up with the seasonal trends, so when i go to a department srore I
usually already know what brands I want to check out and just ask the
sales reps where those brands are. And then they bring me my shoes.
Also, yes they can measure your feet, but shoe size doesn't vary that
much, so if you know what shoe size you need, they can just bring it
out to you. If you are looking for a rare color in shoes, for example,
I needed some gold shoes a few years ago, that’s a good situation in
which you should ask a sales rep for assistance.
The student Slate will have an article with basic fashion tips on the
next issue so look out for it. It might answer some of the questions
you have.

Sincerely,
Mary


On 10/25/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Sam,
> Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are
> laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance 
> the
> sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales associate to
> help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they are supposed 
> to
> help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the right size.
>
> We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the
> browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little
> vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to
> the right shoe row.
> My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go 
> with
> slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can do 
> some
> shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to measure 
> feet
> and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they have more 
> sales
> staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that its easy to get
> help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a question in the
> clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time! Sighted people need 
> help
> finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after all department 
> stores
> are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all the money, they are
> stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist customers. Another 
> good
> thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is I've noticed their customer
> service is overall better. If you need to order shoes, they take care of
> that well. Clothes stores aren't the greatest; they may take your order, 
> but
> fail to notify you when its in or enter the rong thing in.
>
> I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.
>
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Hogle
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
> the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
> the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
> weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
> I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
> in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
> stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
> know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
> helps.
> Sam
> On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>> Thanks Chris.
>> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
>> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
>> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
>> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
>> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
>> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
>> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
>> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
>> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
>> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
>> with sales staff.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>>
>> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
>> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
>> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
>> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
>> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
>> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
>> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
>> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
>> describing
>> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
>> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
>> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
>> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
>> www.acb.org.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
>> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
>> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
>> are important. What else?
>>
>> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
>> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
>> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
>> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
>> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
>> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
>> also use Macy?셲 too.
>>
>> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
>> see it in the case.
>>
>> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
>> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
>> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
>> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
>> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
>> taste though, sometime.
>>
>> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
>> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
>> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
>> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ashley
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 03:58:20 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:58:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer 8 with Windows 7?
Message-ID: <CALAYQJB-v1eA8hxNc7jXN+dkQ5ZnPefQaUyFgs6F88gZsDTo=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am running Windows 7 with JAWS 11 and I have found that while
Internet Explorer 9 is mostly accessible, there are certain websites
where it says there are a bunch of blank lines between fields, which
makes arrowing through the page a huge pain. It also has some trouble
reliably moving from one form field to the next. I wanted to download
IE 8 as others have mentioned. However, the Microsoft website says
that IE 8 is only compatible with Windows XP and Windows Vista. Is it
possible to run IE 8 with Windows 7? Or, is Firefox a better browser
to use with JAWS? I have used IE for years and it would take me a
while to learn Firefox but I'm willing to do it if the accessibility
is more consistent.
Thanks and apologies if these are "dumb" questions.
Best,
Arielle


From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 07:19:40 2011
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:19:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer 8 with Windows 7?
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJB-v1eA8hxNc7jXN+dkQ5ZnPefQaUyFgs6F88gZsDTo=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ea78a72.271e340a.1805.18c9@mx.google.com>

I am using IE 8 with windows 7 and I havn't seen a problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:58 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer 8 with Windows 7?

Hi all,
I am running Windows 7 with JAWS 11 and I have found that while
Internet Explorer 9 is mostly accessible, there are certain websites
where it says there are a bunch of blank lines between fields, which
makes arrowing through the page a huge pain. It also has some trouble
reliably moving from one form field to the next. I wanted to download
IE 8 as others have mentioned. However, the Microsoft website says
that IE 8 is only compatible with Windows XP and Windows Vista. Is it
possible to run IE 8 with Windows 7? Or, is Firefox a better browser
to use with JAWS? I have used IE for years and it would take me a
while to learn Firefox but I'm willing to do it if the accessibility
is more consistent.
Thanks and apologies if these are "dumb" questions.
Best,
Arielle

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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct 26 04:20:50 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:20:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Free Windows 7 Textbook Downloads
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>CathyAnne
>
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>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Wed Oct 26 10:56:02 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:56:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer 8 with Windows 7?
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJB-v1eA8hxNc7jXN+dkQ5ZnPefQaUyFgs6F88gZsDTo=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJB-v1eA8hxNc7jXN+dkQ5ZnPefQaUyFgs6F88gZsDTo=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc93cd$def070e0$9cd152a0$@comcast.net>

Hello Arielle,

As for your question in using ie 8 with jfw 11 on windows 7 yes,
it can work. I have ie 8 on my laptop which has windows7 on it.
As for using ie 9 on your computer with windows 7 I don't know on
that!

And, btw these aren't stupid questions at all... I hope that I
have answered all of your questions. Take care and, I will talk
to you soon.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer 8 with Windows 7?

Hi all,
I am running Windows 7 with JAWS 11 and I have found that while
Internet Explorer 9 is mostly accessible, there are certain
websites
where it says there are a bunch of blank lines between fields,
which
makes arrowing through the page a huge pain. It also has some
trouble
reliably moving from one form field to the next. I wanted to
download
IE 8 as others have mentioned. However, the Microsoft website
says
that IE 8 is only compatible with Windows XP and Windows Vista.
Is it
possible to run IE 8 with Windows 7? Or, is Firefox a better
browser
to use with JAWS? I have used IE for years and it would take me a
while to learn Firefox but I'm willing to do it if the
accessibility
is more consistent.
Thanks and apologies if these are "dumb" questions.
Best,
Arielle

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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:04:56 2011
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:04:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer 8 with Windows 7?
In-Reply-To: <000001cc93cd$def070e0$9cd152a0$@comcast.net>
References: <CALAYQJB-v1eA8hxNc7jXN+dkQ5ZnPefQaUyFgs6F88gZsDTo=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001cc93cd$def070e0$9cd152a0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgOJ5Jt7jgoZRA4sFoDG28WztPksgYj8jWOKPHYRD6k2QA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arielle,

Although I haven't made the switch to Windows 7, I know that IE 9 was
released months after Windows 7 came out, so I'm pretty positive that
IE 8 would work with Windows 7. As for
Firefox, many people (both blind and sighted) would argue that it is a
much better browser than IE, but I personally haven't found IE
inadequate in any way and, like you, prefer to stick with a browser
that i'm already familiar with. The only accessibility advantage of
Firefox, as far as I know, is a plug-in  that will help with CAPTCHA
identification. Hope that helps!

Katie



On 10/26/11, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello Arielle,
>
> As for your question in using ie 8 with jfw 11 on windows 7 yes,
> it can work. I have ie 8 on my laptop which has windows7 on it.
> As for using ie 9 on your computer with windows 7 I don't know on
> that!
>
> And, btw these aren't stupid questions at all... I hope that I
> have answered all of your questions. Take care and, I will talk
> to you soon.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer 8 with Windows 7?
>
> Hi all,
> I am running Windows 7 with JAWS 11 and I have found that while
> Internet Explorer 9 is mostly accessible, there are certain
> websites
> where it says there are a bunch of blank lines between fields,
> which
> makes arrowing through the page a huge pain. It also has some
> trouble
> reliably moving from one form field to the next. I wanted to
> download
> IE 8 as others have mentioned. However, the Microsoft website
> says
> that IE 8 is only compatible with Windows XP and Windows Vista.
> Is it
> possible to run IE 8 with Windows 7? Or, is Firefox a better
> browser
> to use with JAWS? I have used IE for years and it would take me a
> while to learn Firefox but I'm willing to do it if the
> accessibility
> is more consistent.
> Thanks and apologies if these are "dumb" questions.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
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From kobycox at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:11:36 2011
From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:11:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer 8 with Windows 7?
In-Reply-To: <CA+6VNgOJ5Jt7jgoZRA4sFoDG28WztPksgYj8jWOKPHYRD6k2QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJB-v1eA8hxNc7jXN+dkQ5ZnPefQaUyFgs6F88gZsDTo=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001cc93cd$def070e0$9cd152a0$@comcast.net>
	<CA+6VNgOJ5Jt7jgoZRA4sFoDG28WztPksgYj8jWOKPHYRD6k2QA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C349664-843C-43F0-9E2E-23FC658F006D@gmail.com>

Can  you email me off list?
Thanks,
Koby.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Arielle,
> 
> Although I haven't made the switch to Windows 7, I know that IE 9 was
> released months after Windows 7 came out, so I'm pretty positive that
> IE 8 would work with Windows 7. As for
> Firefox, many people (both blind and sighted) would argue that it is a
> much better browser than IE, but I personally haven't found IE
> inadequate in any way and, like you, prefer to stick with a browser
> that i'm already familiar with. The only accessibility advantage of
> Firefox, as far as I know, is a plug-in  that will help with CAPTCHA
> identification. Hope that helps!
> 
> Katie
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/26/11, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hello Arielle,
>> 
>> As for your question in using ie 8 with jfw 11 on windows 7 yes,
>> it can work. I have ie 8 on my laptop which has windows7 on it.
>> As for using ie 9 on your computer with windows 7 I don't know on
>> that!
>> 
>> And, btw these aren't stupid questions at all... I hope that I
>> have answered all of your questions. Take care and, I will talk
>> to you soon.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Explorer 8 with Windows 7?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am running Windows 7 with JAWS 11 and I have found that while
>> Internet Explorer 9 is mostly accessible, there are certain
>> websites
>> where it says there are a bunch of blank lines between fields,
>> which
>> makes arrowing through the page a huge pain. It also has some
>> trouble
>> reliably moving from one form field to the next. I wanted to
>> download
>> IE 8 as others have mentioned. However, the Microsoft website
>> says
>> that IE 8 is only compatible with Windows XP and Windows Vista.
>> Is it
>> possible to run IE 8 with Windows 7? Or, is Firefox a better
>> browser
>> to use with JAWS? I have used IE for years and it would take me a
>> while to learn Firefox but I'm willing to do it if the
>> accessibility
>> is more consistent.
>> Thanks and apologies if these are "dumb" questions.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>> 
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:57:07 2011
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:57:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ACT'S question
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9gbiF4vaBj4u=1SSia=1r+MFpL6E_OnQWt-v2JR2FNuvA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I was wondering whether any of you have ever taken the ACT's as a
braille reader and what the process to get accommodations are like or
even if they offer accommodations. I've never talked to another blind
student who has taken the ACT's so I have no idea what to do. Thanks
in advance for any information. :)

- Minh

-- 
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recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 20:12:49 2011
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:12:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Virtual Hiring Event for People with Disabilities and
	VETS November 3rd- please pass it on
Message-ID: <006701cc941b$a31238d0$e936aa70$@com>

Sorry if this has already been posted or forwarded. 

 

Sean

 

U.S Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) & The U.S. Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) 


HHS & FDA VIRTUAL HIRING EVENT

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From bfs1206 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 20:54:20 2011
From: bfs1206 at gmail.com (Brianna Scerenscko)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:54:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ACT'S question
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9gbiF4vaBj4u=1SSia=1r+MFpL6E_OnQWt-v2JR2FNuvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAJqG9gbiF4vaBj4u=1SSia=1r+MFpL6E_OnQWt-v2JR2FNuvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A20FA59-F10D-41C6-BE49-DA74A9868BD1@gmail.com>

I've taken the ACTS in Braille and with a reader before. If I remember correctly, you need to register for acomidations on the ACT website. Hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I was wondering whether any of you have ever taken the ACT's as a
> braille reader and what the process to get accommodations are like or
> even if they offer accommodations. I've never talked to another blind
> student who has taken the ACT's so I have no idea what to do. Thanks
> in advance for any information. :)
> 
> - Minh
> 
> -- 
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
> 
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From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 23:26:31 2011
From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:26:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] about JAWS
Message-ID: <941EC141554741A2AF3663E7CA2D616C@humbertoc95e81>

Hello, 
 
I recently downloaded JAWS on my computer which had a crash last week. My
computer is running fine now that I have installed everything. I was able to
activate JAWS with one of the JAWS license keys that I still have when I got
my laptop and the JAWS disks. However, whenever I start JAWS, the following
message is displayed:
"JAWS
This application is not authorized for Windows XP Professional, Windows
2000, or Windows NT 4.0
operating systems.  
Contact your local distributor or Freedom Scientific at 727-803-8000 or 
sales at freedomscientific.com for information about updating your product for
these operating 
systems. 
OK "
 
when I click OK on the message, it goes back to the tiring 40-minute mode. 
What should I do? do I just call the JAWS people and let them know of this? 
 
also, is it possible to update my license to be used on windows xp for free?
if not, how much would this cost?
 
BTW, I guess I learned something else, because I didn't know JAWS licenses
could be specifically designed for different windows systems. 
 
any help is appreciated.
 
thanks,
Humberto

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 26 23:49:44 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:49:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] about JAWS
In-Reply-To: <941EC141554741A2AF3663E7CA2D616C@humbertoc95e81>
References: <941EC141554741A2AF3663E7CA2D616C@humbertoc95e81>
Message-ID: <D8F1917D9D1B4BFB9553D862551D04BA@OwnerPC>

Ifyou have xp professional on the computer, that is why. You need Xp home 
edition or upgrade to jaws professional. If you don't, you only can run a 
jaws demo. The error is due to your operating system being xp professional.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Humberto Avila
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:26 PM
To: deniserob at gmail.com
Cc: gui-talk at nfbnet.org ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; villagers at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] about JAWS

Hello,

I recently downloaded JAWS on my computer which had a crash last week. My
computer is running fine now that I have installed everything. I was able to
activate JAWS with one of the JAWS license keys that I still have when I got
my laptop and the JAWS disks. However, whenever I start JAWS, the following
message is displayed:
"JAWS
This application is not authorized for Windows XP Professional, Windows
2000, or Windows NT 4.0
operating systems.
Contact your local distributor or Freedom Scientific at 727-803-8000 or
sales at freedomscientific.com for information about updating your product for
these operating
systems.
OK "

when I click OK on the message, it goes back to the tiring 40-minute mode.
What should I do? do I just call the JAWS people and let them know of this?

also, is it possible to update my license to be used on windows xp for free?
if not, how much would this cost?

BTW, I guess I learned something else, because I didn't know JAWS licenses
could be specifically designed for different windows systems.

any help is appreciated.

thanks,
Humberto
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 23:45:13 2011
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:45:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
In-Reply-To: <7A24CB46D77A4BD1ABB4EDB481A1DA33@OwnerPC>
References: <4ea74046.b31a340a.2ca4.689a@mx.google.com>
	<A8919C3F86B644BEB94C2BBAE4EE43B7@OwnerPC>
	<4EA772D1.5040905@gmail.com>
	<1AE3F50DC5734105817DDECCE7D49DA2@OwnerPC>
	<CADit0-vx2CBU3yL1siE2-PFZnR1_ULEdsSKOCgFqm8X-fzjvOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7A24CB46D77A4BD1ABB4EDB481A1DA33@OwnerPC>
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I love to shop with my friends, and there is nothing wrong with this.
But it is good to know your style, because even when I'm with my
friends, we usually find clothes for ourselves and are just together
to offer opinions of our finds.

I do have a question though. I like to shop at discount stores, but
I've noticed that stores like Ross and TJ Max are often disorganized
and lacking shopping assistants. Does anyone have any advice for this?

Cindy

On 10/25/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> ary,
> Thanks for the encouragement. As I said,  I definitely want to go buy more
> shoes next year. And maybe I'll go alone or with another girl not in my
> family so I can actually take the time and browse and know what is there.
>
> I did not think you paid for personal shoppers. Good to know. I think making
> an appointment sounds good so you know their available. We shop Macy's  a
> lot. So you're saying Macy's and Bloomingdales have personal shoppers. What
> if you don't know your size? Do they do measurements? I say that because a
> size 14 in one brand will be a size 12 in another. So you don't always know.
> Of course they cannot do the shopping for you. They don't know you. Its not
> like the grocery or drug store where they say, "what do you need?" and you
> say X Y Z and
> they try and run off and fetch the items for you. Yes I've had that happen.
> I don't want them to pick the kind of soap or shampoo I want. I want to shop
> with them just using their eyes as a guide. So I go with them. And if they
> act too busy to do that, I come back.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary Fernandez
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:19 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hello Ashley and all,
> Ashley, just a few things.
> You Do Not Have To Pay for Personal Shoppers. Personal shoppers are
> people who the department stores hire and who can help you browse and
> select clothes.  However, they do not do your shopping for you. In
> other words, if I go to Macys and say, hi, I want to shop, they will
> ask me questions like, what kind of clothes, for what occasions, etc.
> It's also important to know what colors suit you. If you do not,
> that's something they can help you with.
> In many places it's best if you have an appointment, however,
> depending on the day it might not be necessary. If you go to Macys or
> Bloomies on a Saturday when there's a sale, you might have a harder
> time getting a personal shopper.
> As far as shoe shopping. There is no reason why you can’t touch stuff.
> And really, there's also no reason why anyone should be visually
> looking for you and pickiing out your shoes. After all, you want to
> have shoes that you like, and that are your style. So go to macys, or
> dsw, or bakers, or whereever and if you have to go row by row until
> you find something you fall in love with, then that's what you do. I
> know what kinds of shoes I like, after many years of browsing. I also
> keep up with the seasonal trends, so when i go to a department srore I
> usually already know what brands I want to check out and just ask the
> sales reps where those brands are. And then they bring me my shoes.
> Also, yes they can measure your feet, but shoe size doesn't vary that
> much, so if you know what shoe size you need, they can just bring it
> out to you. If you are looking for a rare color in shoes, for example,
> I needed some gold shoes a few years ago, that’s a good situation in
> which you should ask a sales rep for assistance.
> The student Slate will have an article with basic fashion tips on the
> next issue so look out for it. It might answer some of the questions
> you have.
>
> Sincerely,
> Mary
>
>
> On 10/25/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Sam,
>> Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are
>> laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance
>> the
>> sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales associate to
>> help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they are supposed
>> to
>> help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the right size.
>>
>> We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the
>> browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little
>> vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to
>> the right shoe row.
>> My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go
>> with
>> slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can do
>> some
>> shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to measure
>> feet
>> and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they have more
>> sales
>> staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that its easy to get
>> help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a question in the
>> clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time! Sighted people need
>> help
>> finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after all department
>> stores
>> are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all the money, they are
>> stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist customers. Another
>> good
>> thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is I've noticed their customer
>> service is overall better. If you need to order shoes, they take care of
>> that well. Clothes stores aren't the greatest; they may take your order,
>> but
>> fail to notify you when its in or enter the rong thing in.
>>
>> I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.
>>
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sam Hogle
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
>> the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
>> the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
>> weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
>> I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
>> in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
>> stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
>> know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
>> helps.
>> Sam
>> On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>> Thanks Chris.
>>> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
>>> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
>>> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
>>> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
>>> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
>>> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
>>> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
>>> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
>>> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
>>> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
>>> with sales staff.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
>>> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
>>> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
>>> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
>>> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
>>> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
>>> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
>>> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
>>> describing
>>> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
>>> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
>>> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
>>> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
>>> www.acb.org.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
>>> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
>>> are important. What else?
>>>
>>> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
>>> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
>>> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
>>> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
>>> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
>>> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
>>> also use Macy?셲 too.
>>>
>>> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
>>> see it in the case.
>>>
>>> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
>>> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
>>> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
>>> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
>>> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
>>> taste though, sometime.
>>>
>>> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
>>> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
>>> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
>>> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 27 00:09:25 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:09:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for shopping and trends
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1319648410.25053.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP337DF8B50CCD3838FFE793AC4D20@phx.gbl>

First of all, store employees are suppose to assist any shopper; it's a
part of their job. Good employees will stick with a customer who has
asked questions because they want the sale. Most employees working in
clothing stores receive a commission on the sales they make on top of
their regular wages so they will help customers who approach them, or in
some stores, like the Buckle, the employees race up to customers the
minute they enter the store! LOL

Because of this though, be careful because many will say anything looks
good on you because they want the sale. Beyond commissions, most stores
operate on numbers. Usually each quarter, sale statistics are reviewed.
Employees are expected to maintain a certain percentage of sales, and if
they don't meet this percentage, they are often let go. I had to do this
when I managed a clothing store. So it's wise to know what you're
looking for, and if you care about fashion and trends, know what looks
good on you, what colors compliment your skin and be specific in what
you want- a formal dress, business casual clothes, shoes that can go
with jeans as well as business casual stuff for work, etc.

There are a lot of ways to track fashion trends. Tons of online
resources are available and provide good descriptions. Certain terms you
want to be familiar with though such as paisley, roushing, A-line,
matte, etc. When you know these terms, you will know what a description
is referring to when mentioned. The E channel and website has a lot of
great fashion tips, and they keep current with trends. They often
provide really good descriptions of clothes and accessories.

Also know your body type and what clothes look best on that body type.
There are different ways to explain this, but this is what I learned:
A- bigger legs, rounder thighs, bottom and waist, smaller on top
H- large all-over, no shape, same straight up and down
I- similar to H except long and skinny, no shape straight up and down
O- round all-over
X- curvey on top, small waist, curvey on bottom
Y- curvey on top but slender elsewhere

Like when at the grocery market, clothing stores will have people who
can help you shop. They may not always be designated for this specific
duty, but like at markets, there will be a sales clerk who will help.
Again, this means they get a commission. Stores that offer personal
shoppers don't exist everywhere. Some are free of charge, while others
will charge. Often appointments are necessary regardless. It's best to
ring a store ahead of time and ask.

You also have to understand about colors and complimenting styles and
colors. You say you want gold shoes, but what style of shoes? What type
a gold? Matte, shiney, more copper, vintage or contemporary? Not just
any gold shoes will go with your outfit. Same with jewlery and
cosmetics. What is the cut of your outfit? Is it contemporary, simple? I
recently bought a formal dress with pearl and diamond-like detail on the
top. Because of this, I opted to not wear earrings since the detail on
the dress was enough. I just wore a bracelet with a similar pearl and
diamond stones. The dress was more contemporary as well. Form fitting
and black besides the pearl and diamond detail. I had to find shoes that
complimented the dress not just any shoe would do, not even black dress
shoes. I found strappy heels with diamond-like stone detail and a
three-inch heel. They fit the style of the dress and the diamond stones
complimented the stones on the dress. Again, it's a lot of specific
information, but once you become familiar with terms and fashion and
know what looks good on you, you'll get better at shopping.

I prefer to shop with my mom who loves fashion too and know what looks
good on people. If you have a friend or family member like this, I
suggest shopping with them. If not, that's okay. Just learn what to ask
for and look for.

Perhaps you can learn of a celebrity with a similar body type and sense
of fashion. Find pictures of them and take them and show sale clerks so
they know what you're looking for.

Even sighted people touch and pick up merchandise. No one will think it
odd if you "feel up" shoes or clothes because everyone is doing it.

Along with being aware of your body type and what kinds of clothes will
compliment your figure, know how different types of clothes will look on
certain body types. For example, V-necks diminish a bigger chest, and
tops with a lot of detail or ruffles or certain fabrics can accentuate a
smaller chest. Capris or pants hitting the ankle will make a short frame
appear shorter. Pants with a wide leg are great if you have skinny legs.
Fitted clothes actually make a larger figure look smaller. Belts can be
tricky. Sometimes belting will accentuate a larger waist, and other
times it can make the waist appear smaller. Again, if shorter, belting
can tend to cut you in half once again appearing shorter. Wrap tops and
dresss usually look good on any figure. Some trends unfortunately don't
look good on everyone. Loose, flowy peasant tops are cute and pretty,
but they can make a large chest look bustier, or can give the appearance
of pregnancy if not very slender. Another important thing to keep in
mind is if wearing a form fitting top, wear looser bottoms, and vice
versus. You want balance and symmetry.

Sizing does change from store to store. Misses tend to run in even
numbers, 2, 4, 6, 8, etc, while juniors tend to run in odd numbers, 1,
3, 5, 7, etc. The odd sizes tend to run smaller. At GAP or Ann Taylor I
may wear a four, but at The Buckle or Forever 21, I may need to wear a
six. Clothing stores don't actually size to fit the body; they size to
fit what we want it to be. This is why sizes vary from store to store.
Because of your body type, you may need to go up in sizes when wearing a
dress. If you're bigger on top, you will probably need to go up at least
a couple of dress sizes. If necessary, you can always research
inexpensive tailors near you, and some department stores provide tailor
service to customers, but usually there's a cost.

Shoes vary in size as well. You may wear a six in regular shoes, but
have to go up to a 7 with sandals. Sandals and strappy dress shoes tend
to run smaller. This is why it's so important to try clothes and shoes
on before purchasing. Also walk around in clothes and shoes. Try sitting
and moving around to make sure the fit is good and it feels comfortable
on you. And FYI ladies, if wearing shoes exposing the toes, get a
pedicure. Smile.

Clothes and shoes shouldn't be too tight, no popping out, no wardrobe
malfunctions! LOL And nothing should be uncomfortable. Girls, you want a
good bra too. A good bra can make a world of difference with an outfit.
I suggest shopping at a bra store with professional bra fitters. They
will measure you and help you find the right bra.

Don't be afraid to speak up. If you don't like something, no matter what
others say, don't buy it. Be attentative to style, fit, color and feel.
We obviously have to trust the opinions of others so make sure the
person you ask, you can trust. Have a budgt in mind. This helps people
weed out items. If shopping on a small budget, you can avoid expensive
items, or buying unnecessary products. Have an idea of size, style and
color in order to help those shopping with you. Ultimately you want to
feel good whatever the situation so know what you want and be confident
enough to say what you like and don't like.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan




From hogle.sam at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 00:45:16 2011
From: hogle.sam at gmail.com (Sam Hogle)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:45:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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Hi Cindy. In the case of the discount stores, I might try the rout of
making an apointment. Surely if they know you're coming in advanse, they
can have someone there to assist you. Just a thought.
Sam
On 10/26/2011 7:45 PM, Cindy Bennett wrote:
> I love to shop with my friends, and there is nothing wrong with this.
> But it is good to know your style, because even when I'm with my
> friends, we usually find clothes for ourselves and are just together
> to offer opinions of our finds.
>
> I do have a question though. I like to shop at discount stores, but
> I've noticed that stores like Ross and TJ Max are often disorganized
> and lacking shopping assistants. Does anyone have any advice for this?
>
> Cindy
>
> On 10/25/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> ary,
>> Thanks for the encouragement. As I said,  I definitely want to go buy more
>> shoes next year. And maybe I'll go alone or with another girl not in my
>> family so I can actually take the time and browse and know what is there.
>>
>> I did not think you paid for personal shoppers. Good to know. I think making
>> an appointment sounds good so you know their available. We shop Macy's  a
>> lot. So you're saying Macy's and Bloomingdales have personal shoppers. What
>> if you don't know your size? Do they do measurements? I say that because a
>> size 14 in one brand will be a size 12 in another. So you don't always know.
>> Of course they cannot do the shopping for you. They don't know you. Its not
>> like the grocery or drug store where they say, "what do you need?" and you
>> say X Y Z and
>> they try and run off and fetch the items for you. Yes I've had that happen.
>> I don't want them to pick the kind of soap or shampoo I want. I want to shop
>> with them just using their eyes as a guide. So I go with them. And if they
>> act too busy to do that, I come back.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mary Fernandez
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:19 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hello Ashley and all,
>> Ashley, just a few things.
>> You Do Not Have To Pay for Personal Shoppers. Personal shoppers are
>> people who the department stores hire and who can help you browse and
>> select clothes.  However, they do not do your shopping for you. In
>> other words, if I go to Macys and say, hi, I want to shop, they will
>> ask me questions like, what kind of clothes, for what occasions, etc.
>> It's also important to know what colors suit you. If you do not,
>> that's something they can help you with.
>> In many places it's best if you have an appointment, however,
>> depending on the day it might not be necessary. If you go to Macys or
>> Bloomies on a Saturday when there's a sale, you might have a harder
>> time getting a personal shopper.
>> As far as shoe shopping. There is no reason why you can’t touch stuff.
>> And really, there's also no reason why anyone should be visually
>> looking for you and pickiing out your shoes. After all, you want to
>> have shoes that you like, and that are your style. So go to macys, or
>> dsw, or bakers, or whereever and if you have to go row by row until
>> you find something you fall in love with, then that's what you do. I
>> know what kinds of shoes I like, after many years of browsing. I also
>> keep up with the seasonal trends, so when i go to a department srore I
>> usually already know what brands I want to check out and just ask the
>> sales reps where those brands are. And then they bring me my shoes.
>> Also, yes they can measure your feet, but shoe size doesn't vary that
>> much, so if you know what shoe size you need, they can just bring it
>> out to you. If you are looking for a rare color in shoes, for example,
>> I needed some gold shoes a few years ago, that’s a good situation in
>> which you should ask a sales rep for assistance.
>> The student Slate will have an article with basic fashion tips on the
>> next issue so look out for it. It might answer some of the questions
>> you have.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> On 10/25/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Sam,
>>> Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are
>>> laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance
>>> the
>>> sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales associate to
>>> help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they are supposed
>>> to
>>> help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the right size.
>>>
>>> We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the
>>> browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little
>>> vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to
>>> the right shoe row.
>>> My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go
>>> with
>>> slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can do
>>> some
>>> shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to measure
>>> feet
>>> and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they have more
>>> sales
>>> staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that its easy to get
>>> help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a question in the
>>> clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time! Sighted people need
>>> help
>>> finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after all department
>>> stores
>>> are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all the money, they are
>>> stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist customers. Another
>>> good
>>> thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is I've noticed their customer
>>> service is overall better. If you need to order shoes, they take care of
>>> that well. Clothes stores aren't the greatest; they may take your order,
>>> but
>>> fail to notify you when its in or enter the rong thing in.
>>>
>>> I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sam Hogle
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
>>> the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
>>> the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
>>> weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
>>> I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
>>> in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
>>> stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
>>> know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
>>> helps.
>>> Sam
>>> On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>> Thanks Chris.
>>>> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
>>>> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
>>>> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
>>>> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
>>>> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
>>>> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
>>>> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
>>>> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
>>>> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
>>>> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
>>>> with sales staff.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>>
>>>> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
>>>> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
>>>> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
>>>> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
>>>> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
>>>> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
>>>> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
>>>> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
>>>> describing
>>>> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
>>>> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
>>>> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
>>>> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
>>>> www.acb.org.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
>>>> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
>>>> are important. What else?
>>>>
>>>> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
>>>> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
>>>> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
>>>> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
>>>> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
>>>> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
>>>> also use Macy?셲 too.
>>>>
>>>> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
>>>> see it in the case.
>>>>
>>>> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
>>>> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
>>>> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
>>>> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
>>>> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
>>>> taste though, sometime.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
>>>> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
>>>> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
>>>> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 27 00:51:49 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:51:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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Shop with friends.  Well, they don't seem to mind leading you to the 
appropriate clothes department and weaving through and among the various 
clothes aisles. And they are pretty tight; you have to go single file at 
least most department stores are that way.
Do you just try on clothes separately after your friend leads you to the 
fitting room?
I guess they give opinions on what looks good, but you couldn't give them 
clothes advice.
Yes I've found discount stores don't have much customer assistance. That is 
why many people avoid them.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Cindy Bennett
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends

I love to shop with my friends, and there is nothing wrong with this.
But it is good to know your style, because even when I'm with my
friends, we usually find clothes for ourselves and are just together
to offer opinions of our finds.

I do have a question though. I like to shop at discount stores, but
I've noticed that stores like Ross and TJ Max are often disorganized
and lacking shopping assistants. Does anyone have any advice for this?

Cindy

On 10/25/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> ary,
> Thanks for the encouragement. As I said,  I definitely want to go buy more
> shoes next year. And maybe I'll go alone or with another girl not in my
> family so I can actually take the time and browse and know what is there.
>
> I did not think you paid for personal shoppers. Good to know. I think 
> making
> an appointment sounds good so you know their available. We shop Macy's  a
> lot. So you're saying Macy's and Bloomingdales have personal shoppers. 
> What
> if you don't know your size? Do they do measurements? I say that because a
> size 14 in one brand will be a size 12 in another. So you don't always 
> know.
> Of course they cannot do the shopping for you. They don't know you. Its 
> not
> like the grocery or drug store where they say, "what do you need?" and you
> say X Y Z and
> they try and run off and fetch the items for you. Yes I've had that 
> happen.
> I don't want them to pick the kind of soap or shampoo I want. I want to 
> shop
> with them just using their eyes as a guide. So I go with them. And if they
> act too busy to do that, I come back.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary Fernandez
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:19 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hello Ashley and all,
> Ashley, just a few things.
> You Do Not Have To Pay for Personal Shoppers. Personal shoppers are
> people who the department stores hire and who can help you browse and
> select clothes.  However, they do not do your shopping for you. In
> other words, if I go to Macys and say, hi, I want to shop, they will
> ask me questions like, what kind of clothes, for what occasions, etc.
> It's also important to know what colors suit you. If you do not,
> that's something they can help you with.
> In many places it's best if you have an appointment, however,
> depending on the day it might not be necessary. If you go to Macys or
> Bloomies on a Saturday when there's a sale, you might have a harder
> time getting a personal shopper.
> As far as shoe shopping. There is no reason why you can’t touch stuff.
> And really, there's also no reason why anyone should be visually
> looking for you and pickiing out your shoes. After all, you want to
> have shoes that you like, and that are your style. So go to macys, or
> dsw, or bakers, or whereever and if you have to go row by row until
> you find something you fall in love with, then that's what you do. I
> know what kinds of shoes I like, after many years of browsing. I also
> keep up with the seasonal trends, so when i go to a department srore I
> usually already know what brands I want to check out and just ask the
> sales reps where those brands are. And then they bring me my shoes.
> Also, yes they can measure your feet, but shoe size doesn't vary that
> much, so if you know what shoe size you need, they can just bring it
> out to you. If you are looking for a rare color in shoes, for example,
> I needed some gold shoes a few years ago, that’s a good situation in
> which you should ask a sales rep for assistance.
> The student Slate will have an article with basic fashion tips on the
> next issue so look out for it. It might answer some of the questions
> you have.
>
> Sincerely,
> Mary
>
>
> On 10/25/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Sam,
>> Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are
>> laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance
>> the
>> sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales associate 
>> to
>> help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they are supposed
>> to
>> help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the right size.
>>
>> We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the
>> browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little
>> vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to
>> the right shoe row.
>> My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go
>> with
>> slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can do
>> some
>> shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to measure
>> feet
>> and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they have more
>> sales
>> staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that its easy to get
>> help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a question in the
>> clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time! Sighted people need
>> help
>> finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after all department
>> stores
>> are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all the money, they are
>> stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist customers. Another
>> good
>> thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is I've noticed their 
>> customer
>> service is overall better. If you need to order shoes, they take care of
>> that well. Clothes stores aren't the greatest; they may take your order,
>> but
>> fail to notify you when its in or enter the rong thing in.
>>
>> I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.
>>
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sam Hogle
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
>> the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
>> the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
>> weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
>> I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
>> in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
>> stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
>> know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
>> helps.
>> Sam
>> On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>> Thanks Chris.
>>> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
>>> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
>>> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
>>> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
>>> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
>>> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
>>> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
>>> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
>>> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
>>> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
>>> with sales staff.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
>>> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
>>> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
>>> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
>>> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
>>> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
>>> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
>>> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
>>> describing
>>> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
>>> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
>>> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
>>> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
>>> www.acb.org.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
>>> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
>>> are important. What else?
>>>
>>> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
>>> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
>>> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
>>> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
>>> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
>>> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
>>> also use Macy?셲 too.
>>>
>>> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
>>> see it in the case.
>>>
>>> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
>>> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
>>> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
>>> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
>>> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
>>> taste though, sometime.
>>>
>>> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
>>> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
>>> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
>>> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From debbiewunder at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 27 00:55:02 2011
From: debbiewunder at earthlink.net (Debbie Wunder)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:55:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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Hi Ashley, I find that if I am shopping alone, and not with a friend or one 
of my daughters, if I go to the counter and ask for assistance, mostly 
people are very willing to help. It of course depends on the store, I have 
had good luck at JC Pennys or Dillards, also some smaller ladies shops. If 
you develope a relationship with a store manager, they seem to enjoy 
helping.

It is important to me to have some one that I value thei opinion. The one 
thing that I have found that my youngest daughter is quick to tell me is 
that some things do not feel cute, and some feel cute that are not. 
Sometimes I here from my daught,No, mom. smile

Debbie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: <shogle at students.kennesaw.edu>; "National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends


> Sam,
> Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are 
> laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance 
> the sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales 
> associate to help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they 
> are supposed to help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the 
> right size.
>
> We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the 
> browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little 
> vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to 
> the right shoe row.
> My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go 
> with slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can 
> do some shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to 
> measure feet and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they 
> have more sales staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that 
> its easy to get help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a 
> question in the clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time! Sighted 
> people need help finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after all 
> department stores are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all the 
> money, they are stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist 
> customers. Another  good thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is 
> I've noticed their customer service is overall better. If you need to 
> order shoes, they take care of that well. Clothes stores aren't the 
> greatest; they may take your order, but fail to notify you when its in or 
> enter the rong thing in.
>
> I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.
>
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Sam Hogle
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
> the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
> the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
> weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
> I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
> in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
> stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
> know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
> helps.
> Sam
> On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>> Thanks Chris.
>> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
>> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
>> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
>> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
>> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
>> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
>> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
>> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
>> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
>> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
>> with sales staff.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>>
>> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
>> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
>> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
>> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
>> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
>> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
>> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
>> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
>> describing
>> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
>> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
>> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
>> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
>> www.acb.org.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
>> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
>> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
>> are important. What else?
>>
>> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
>> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
>> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
>> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
>> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
>> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
>> also use Macy?셲 too.
>>
>> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
>> see it in the case.
>>
>> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
>> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
>> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
>> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
>> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
>> taste though, sometime.
>>
>> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
>> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
>> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
>> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ashley
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From debbiewunder at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 27 00:55:50 2011
From: debbiewunder at earthlink.net (Debbie Wunder)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:55:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rightsdocumentaryairs	on
	PBS
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sorry I think I spelled your name wrong!
----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rightsdocumentaryairs on 
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> Jedi,
> Although not as critical as ramps or elevators for physical impairments, I 
> suggest that building accessibility have some elements for us. This makes 
> navigation more efficient and independent. Label room numbers and 
> restrooms. Do not hang objects overhead because a cane cannot reach them. 
> You can ask a room number, but then you have to either find someone or 
> wait til someone comes by. I recall being in an older university building 
> with no braille signs. I had a hard time locating a particular office. I 
> couldn't find anyone to ask for a long time; many offices are locked so 
> you cannot exactly barge in and ask. But overall accessibility to 
> buildings needs more work for physical disabilities.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jedi
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentaryairs 
> on PBS
>
> Patrick,
>
> What is it about buildings and their layouts that would be inaccessible
> to blind persons? Or, put another way, what do you mean by making a
> building's layout easier for a blind person to navigate?
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Original message:
>> Anmol,
>> I've followed this discussion for a little while now. You ask: "How
>> does a building need to be made accessible for the blind?" There are
>> several things that can be done. First, the addition of Braille signs
>> for rooms. Second, the building could be laid out a certain way so
>> that it was easy to navigate. Another way that some buildings could be
>> made accessible would be for them to provide a tactile map of the
>> building in the lobby. I noticed that there were several tactile maps
>> when I was down in Washington, D.C. this past summer. Beyond this,
>> there's really not a whole lot that buildings can do to make
>> themselves more accessible. I hope this helps you.
>> Patrick
>
>> On 10/24/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Carly,
>>> How does a building need to be made accessible for the blind? A person 
>>> in a
>>> wheel chair can not clime stairs there a
>
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a 
>>> breeze
>>> among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>
>
>>> --- On Mon, 10/24/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>>> From: Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lives Worth Living disability rights documentary
>>>> airs on PBS
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 12:25 AM
>
>
>>>> Hi, Bridgit,
>
>>>> Here in Berkeley, we have the Ed Roberts Campus, which is
>>>> designed to
>>>> be this one-stop shop for agencies serving folk with
>>>> disability. I
>>>> have noticed that, though they spent tons of cash on this
>>>> building
>>>> which is all sup'd up for chairs, it is really inaccessible
>>>> for folk
>>>> who are blind. In the ERC's defense, It seems no easy feat
>>>> to make
>>>> the same facility accessable for both blind folks as well
>>>> as chairs.
>>>> This must be because our needs and abilities are so
>>>> divergent.
>>>> Today, they are having problems making this building named
>>>> for this
>>>> disability pioneer, a meaningful, presence in the
>>>> disability
>>>> community.however, I have to point out that many, many
>>>> other people have been
>>>>> instrumental in the disability rights movement, and the
>>>> NFB is but one
>>>>> organization. Because a group like the Federation
>>>> focuses solely on one
>>>>> disability, we aren't always aware of what else exist
>>>> out there.
>
>>>>> Ed Roberts is actually one of the big names mentioned
>>>> when discussing
>>>>> rights for those with disabilities. He started the
>>>> entire independent
>>>>> living movement, and he's the first person to establish
>>>> independent
>>>>> living centers for those with disabilities. Roberts was
>>>> diagnosed with
>>>>> Polio at a young age; he was unable to move his body
>>>> from the neck down
>>>>> except a few fingers, and he has had to wear an iron
>>>> lung most his life.
>>>>> Roberts had a very independent and positive outlook on
>>>> disability,
>>>>> spurring others to get on board with accepting
>>>> disability as a part of
>>>>> life. He is known for saying "differently able," it was
>>>> Roberts who
>>>>> initiated the dialogue with airlines so that people
>>>> with disabilities
>>>>> could travel with whatever accomodations necessary
>>>> especially those
>>>>> using wheelchairs.
>
>>>>> The pioneer program at Berkley providing services to
>>>> students with
>>>>> disabilities, that eventually was adopted at colleges
>>>> around the
>>>>> country, was headed by Ed Roberts. Because of this guy
>>>> who few actually
>>>>> know of, students with disabilities are offered
>>>> services on their
>>>>> respective campuses. Schools lacking stellar services
>>>> should be ashamed
>>>>> because that was never Roberts idea of quality
>>>> services. Berkley has one
>>>>> of, if not thee, best disability services in the
>>>> country.
>
>>>>> So before assuming the Federation, which has done a lot
>>>> and is certainly
>>>>> a powerful, important organization, double check facts.
>>>> No pun intended,
>>>>> but we tend to keep our blinders on in terms of
>>>> disability in general.
>>>>> The Federation has done a lot- probably the most- for
>>>> blindness alone,
>>>>> but in terms of the disability rights movement as a
>>>> whole, many have
>>>>> come before, and many are still around.
>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>>>> Read my blog at:
>>>>> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
>
>>>>> "History is not what happened; history is what was
>>>> written down."
>>>>> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan
>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:43:04 -0400
>>>>> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] "Lives Worth Living" Disability
>>>> Rights
>
>>>>    Documentary
>>>>    Premieres on PBS Series Independent Lens;
>>>>> October 27
>>>>> Message-ID: b9626ff6-e05b-419d-9ef1-2d8812f5fc58 at samobile.net
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> format="flowed"
>
>>>>> That's odd, where's the Federation in all this seems
>>>> how Jacobus
>>>>> tenBroek kind of founded the Disability Rights movement
>>>> through his
>>>>> scholarly work ? And really, the blindness movement is
>>>> probably one of
>>>>> the strongest in the overall Disability Rights
>>>> Movement.
>
>>>>> And also, has anyone heard whether or not the film will
>>>> be available
>>>>> online as I don't have a television?.
>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Jedi
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 27 01:10:03 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:10:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for shopping and trends
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Good information. But I wonder how you pick a set of colors and 
complimenting styles. I wish I had a sighted sister or cousin that lives 
nearby! We'd have fun shopping together.
If I stick with what I was raised with and told what looks good on me, its 
solid colors. I am five feet tall, and a little overweight. My legs are a 
little muscular but not long. I was told I look good in black, red and pink 
blouses/tops. For casual or dressy slacks I have mostly black and blue; some 
cacki. I was told black and blue slacks look good on me too. I have V neck 
shirts for dressier ocasions.

Maybe I could shop with my brother's new wife. She might be able to shop 
with me, but at the same time not take over the whole experience; thanks for 
the reminder that sighted people touch and pick up merchandise. We just need 
to do it a bit more.
I wonder if there any books about colors and body image/type.
Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:09 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for shopping and trends

First of all, store employees are suppose to assist any shopper; it's a
part of their job. Good employees will stick with a customer who has
asked questions because they want the sale. Most employees working in
clothing stores receive a commission on the sales they make on top of
their regular wages so they will help customers who approach them, or in
some stores, like the Buckle, the employees race up to customers the
minute they enter the store! LOL

Because of this though, be careful because many will say anything looks
good on you because they want the sale. Beyond commissions, most stores
operate on numbers. Usually each quarter, sale statistics are reviewed.
Employees are expected to maintain a certain percentage of sales, and if
they don't meet this percentage, they are often let go. I had to do this
when I managed a clothing store. So it's wise to know what you're
looking for, and if you care about fashion and trends, know what looks
good on you, what colors compliment your skin and be specific in what
you want- a formal dress, business casual clothes, shoes that can go
with jeans as well as business casual stuff for work, etc.

There are a lot of ways to track fashion trends. Tons of online
resources are available and provide good descriptions. Certain terms you
want to be familiar with though such as paisley, roushing, A-line,
matte, etc. When you know these terms, you will know what a description
is referring to when mentioned. The E channel and website has a lot of
great fashion tips, and they keep current with trends. They often
provide really good descriptions of clothes and accessories.

Also know your body type and what clothes look best on that body type.
There are different ways to explain this, but this is what I learned:
A- bigger legs, rounder thighs, bottom and waist, smaller on top
H- large all-over, no shape, same straight up and down
I- similar to H except long and skinny, no shape straight up and down
O- round all-over
X- curvey on top, small waist, curvey on bottom
Y- curvey on top but slender elsewhere

Like when at the grocery market, clothing stores will have people who
can help you shop. They may not always be designated for this specific
duty, but like at markets, there will be a sales clerk who will help.
Again, this means they get a commission. Stores that offer personal
shoppers don't exist everywhere. Some are free of charge, while others
will charge. Often appointments are necessary regardless. It's best to
ring a store ahead of time and ask.

You also have to understand about colors and complimenting styles and
colors. You say you want gold shoes, but what style of shoes? What type
a gold? Matte, shiney, more copper, vintage or contemporary? Not just
any gold shoes will go with your outfit. Same with jewlery and
cosmetics. What is the cut of your outfit? Is it contemporary, simple? I
recently bought a formal dress with pearl and diamond-like detail on the
top. Because of this, I opted to not wear earrings since the detail on
the dress was enough. I just wore a bracelet with a similar pearl and
diamond stones. The dress was more contemporary as well. Form fitting
and black besides the pearl and diamond detail. I had to find shoes that
complimented the dress not just any shoe would do, not even black dress
shoes. I found strappy heels with diamond-like stone detail and a
three-inch heel. They fit the style of the dress and the diamond stones
complimented the stones on the dress. Again, it's a lot of specific
information, but once you become familiar with terms and fashion and
know what looks good on you, you'll get better at shopping.

I prefer to shop with my mom who loves fashion too and know what looks
good on people. If you have a friend or family member like this, I
suggest shopping with them. If not, that's okay. Just learn what to ask
for and look for.

Perhaps you can learn of a celebrity with a similar body type and sense
of fashion. Find pictures of them and take them and show sale clerks so
they know what you're looking for.

Even sighted people touch and pick up merchandise. No one will think it
odd if you "feel up" shoes or clothes because everyone is doing it.

Along with being aware of your body type and what kinds of clothes will
compliment your figure, know how different types of clothes will look on
certain body types. For example, V-necks diminish a bigger chest, and
tops with a lot of detail or ruffles or certain fabrics can accentuate a
smaller chest. Capris or pants hitting the ankle will make a short frame
appear shorter. Pants with a wide leg are great if you have skinny legs.
Fitted clothes actually make a larger figure look smaller. Belts can be
tricky. Sometimes belting will accentuate a larger waist, and other
times it can make the waist appear smaller. Again, if shorter, belting
can tend to cut you in half once again appearing shorter. Wrap tops and
dresss usually look good on any figure. Some trends unfortunately don't
look good on everyone. Loose, flowy peasant tops are cute and pretty,
but they can make a large chest look bustier, or can give the appearance
of pregnancy if not very slender. Another important thing to keep in
mind is if wearing a form fitting top, wear looser bottoms, and vice
versus. You want balance and symmetry.

Sizing does change from store to store. Misses tend to run in even
numbers, 2, 4, 6, 8, etc, while juniors tend to run in odd numbers, 1,
3, 5, 7, etc. The odd sizes tend to run smaller. At GAP or Ann Taylor I
may wear a four, but at The Buckle or Forever 21, I may need to wear a
six. Clothing stores don't actually size to fit the body; they size to
fit what we want it to be. This is why sizes vary from store to store.
Because of your body type, you may need to go up in sizes when wearing a
dress. If you're bigger on top, you will probably need to go up at least
a couple of dress sizes. If necessary, you can always research
inexpensive tailors near you, and some department stores provide tailor
service to customers, but usually there's a cost.

Shoes vary in size as well. You may wear a six in regular shoes, but
have to go up to a 7 with sandals. Sandals and strappy dress shoes tend
to run smaller. This is why it's so important to try clothes and shoes
on before purchasing. Also walk around in clothes and shoes. Try sitting
and moving around to make sure the fit is good and it feels comfortable
on you. And FYI ladies, if wearing shoes exposing the toes, get a
pedicure. Smile.

Clothes and shoes shouldn't be too tight, no popping out, no wardrobe
malfunctions! LOL And nothing should be uncomfortable. Girls, you want a
good bra too. A good bra can make a world of difference with an outfit.
I suggest shopping at a bra store with professional bra fitters. They
will measure you and help you find the right bra.

Don't be afraid to speak up. If you don't like something, no matter what
others say, don't buy it. Be attentative to style, fit, color and feel.
We obviously have to trust the opinions of others so make sure the
person you ask, you can trust. Have a budgt in mind. This helps people
weed out items. If shopping on a small budget, you can avoid expensive
items, or buying unnecessary products. Have an idea of size, style and
color in order to help those shopping with you. Ultimately you want to
feel good whatever the situation so know what you want and be confident
enough to say what you like and don't like.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
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From leanicole1988 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 01:48:13 2011
From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:48:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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Hey I shop a lot with the help of the workers. I went a couple of
weeks ago to get some shoes and an outfit. I first went to the shoe
shop and just walked in and asked for help after walking through the
store to hunt someone down. NP. I knew that i wanted sneakers or tenis
shoes, whatever you call them and got a pair. But if your not sure,
just tell them what stile of clothes you would wear with them, dressy,
casual, fancey etc. You can also ask what color close the shoes would
best work with. I got a pair of heels and I told them I primarily wear
dark blue dressy geans and black slacks or dark kackey and they were
able to tell me what color would go best with the colors. They took me
to an ile to let me loose alone in my size while the lady went and
found a helper for me. The worker came and I told her kind of what I
was looking for and she picked out things that was around that would
have worked and i chose from there.
I have found telling them and asking a lot of things helps the both of
you. If your not sure or understanding what they are saying, then ask
loads of questions. It is your money your spending and if you buy it,
it is you who takes it home not them.
After this i went to Belks and had the lady there help me find an
outfit. That one was a bit more tricky because she took me to the back
and was trying to get me to pick from two tops that were hanging up on
the wal. I did not like them and just started to wonder off and
saying, "so whats over here or there"? We then discoverd that the
store was filled with loads of clothes that were not on the wall.
Waow!
I did find a nice outfit, something that was on sale and cost less
than the things on the wall by the way.
Something you could do is to find out what your colors are, google. I
Google a lot of things. You can put in Google,
What style and color of clothes works best for me?
and you can find bloggs that says, if your dark haired with whatever
skin, wear this and that. they usually say spring, wenter, summer or
fall colors, but the give good information. Then when your shopping,
you have more of an idea of what colors to pick.
If your not shure if something will fit, Ask them what do they think,
will it fit you or not? I do this all the time , Sometimes a small is
really a medium etc...
They will help, and if they have small children or kids at home or
even have raised them, they do a great job because they do it with
their own children and it is second nature for them.
If your still not sure, take  a few sizes and hold on till you have a
few things and then go try them on. The worst is to get home and not
like what you buy because it's to tight or loose.
And like I said, google, google google.
Not just
What is in season?
But also
How to choose shoes for an outfit?
Or Will a blue shirt go with kackey pants?
or
What color tops to wear with dark/lite/etc bottoms?
What kind of tops to wear with (fill in the blank) pants/skirts...
Be kind of spisific but not spisific. If you know your body shape, google
What style of clothes looks best for my body shape?
Man if i had money to spend on clothes and not bills, I would go
shopping more often.
You could also do this with hair styles etc...

If your worried that they might be to busy to shop with you, call them
and tell them your blind and interested in shopping there and when
would be the best time of the day to come in. Some places will say mid
day because they have more workers, and some will say earlier or later
because their is less custermers. It is the prefrence of the store. If
you find someone you really like shopping with, get their name and ask
them when they normally work. I do this and then the next time I went
I asked for them. this is a wonderful thing for them and they get high
marks from there bosses for being requested.
I would too ask if there might be someone close to your age who could
help you shop for clothes because their style would be better than
someone or is either a lot older or younger than you. I had an older
women helping me and she did not try to pick out anything to old
fashion , but what i got was so much better than what she was trying
to get me to by.
a lot of it does come from expirience and confidence though. Know what
to ask and not being easily timpted to get whatever they hand you is
good and try to ask yourself and be aunist with yourself if you really
like the stuff. I know if i am nervous, I am more likely to buy
something I do not like because I am more influenced than when I fill
cunfirtable.

HTH

On 10/26/11, Debbie Wunder <debbiewunder at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Ashley, I find that if I am shopping alone, and not with a friend or one
> of my daughters, if I go to the counter and ask for assistance, mostly
> people are very willing to help. It of course depends on the store, I have
> had good luck at JC Pennys or Dillards, also some smaller ladies shops. If
> you develope a relationship with a store manager, they seem to enjoy
> helping.
>
> It is important to me to have some one that I value thei opinion. The one
> thing that I have found that my youngest daughter is quick to tell me is
> that some things do not feel cute, and some feel cute that are not.
> Sometimes I here from my daught,No, mom. smile
>
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: <shogle at students.kennesaw.edu>; "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
>
>> Sam,
>> Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are
>> laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance
>> the sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales
>> associate to help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they
>> are supposed to help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the
>> right size.
>>
>> We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the
>> browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little
>> vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to
>> the right shoe row.
>> My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go
>> with slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can
>> do some shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to
>> measure feet and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they
>> have more sales staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that
>> its easy to get help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a
>> question in the clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time! Sighted
>>
>> people need help finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after all
>>
>> department stores are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all the
>>
>> money, they are stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist
>> customers. Another  good thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is
>> I've noticed their customer service is overall better. If you need to
>> order shoes, they take care of that well. Clothes stores aren't the
>> greatest; they may take your order, but fail to notify you when its in or
>> enter the rong thing in.
>>
>> I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.
>>
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sam Hogle
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
>> the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
>> the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
>> weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
>> I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
>> in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
>> stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
>> know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
>> helps.
>> Sam
>> On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>> Thanks Chris.
>>> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
>>> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
>>> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
>>> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
>>> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
>>> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
>>> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
>>> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
>>> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
>>> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
>>> with sales staff.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
>>> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
>>> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
>>> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
>>> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
>>> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
>>> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
>>> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
>>> describing
>>> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
>>> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
>>> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
>>> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
>>> www.acb.org.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
>>> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
>>> are important. What else?
>>>
>>> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
>>> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
>>> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
>>> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
>>> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
>>> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
>>> also use Macy?셲 too.
>>>
>>> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
>>> see it in the case.
>>>
>>> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
>>> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
>>> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
>>> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
>>> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
>>> taste though, sometime.
>>>
>>> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
>>> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
>>> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
>>> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 27 02:25:24 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:25:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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Ah, I wish we had a Belks up here. We shop at Macy's most often and a little 
at bloomingdales.
When I was down south to see relatives, I liked Belks and Dillards; good 
selection and well laid out.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lea williams
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:48 PM
To: Debbie Wunder ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends

Hey I shop a lot with the help of the workers. I went a couple of
weeks ago to get some shoes and an outfit. I first went to the shoe
shop and just walked in and asked for help after walking through the
store to hunt someone down. NP. I knew that i wanted sneakers or tenis
shoes, whatever you call them and got a pair. But if your not sure,
just tell them what stile of clothes you would wear with them, dressy,
casual, fancey etc. You can also ask what color close the shoes would
best work with. I got a pair of heels and I told them I primarily wear
dark blue dressy geans and black slacks or dark kackey and they were
able to tell me what color would go best with the colors. They took me
to an ile to let me loose alone in my size while the lady went and
found a helper for me. The worker came and I told her kind of what I
was looking for and she picked out things that was around that would
have worked and i chose from there.
I have found telling them and asking a lot of things helps the both of
you. If your not sure or understanding what they are saying, then ask
loads of questions. It is your money your spending and if you buy it,
it is you who takes it home not them.
After this i went to Belks and had the lady there help me find an
outfit. That one was a bit more tricky because she took me to the back
and was trying to get me to pick from two tops that were hanging up on
the wal. I did not like them and just started to wonder off and
saying, "so whats over here or there"? We then discoverd that the
store was filled with loads of clothes that were not on the wall.
Waow!
I did find a nice outfit, something that was on sale and cost less
than the things on the wall by the way.
Something you could do is to find out what your colors are, google. I
Google a lot of things. You can put in Google,
What style and color of clothes works best for me?
and you can find bloggs that says, if your dark haired with whatever
skin, wear this and that. they usually say spring, wenter, summer or
fall colors, but the give good information. Then when your shopping,
you have more of an idea of what colors to pick.
If your not shure if something will fit, Ask them what do they think,
will it fit you or not? I do this all the time , Sometimes a small is
really a medium etc...
They will help, and if they have small children or kids at home or
even have raised them, they do a great job because they do it with
their own children and it is second nature for them.
If your still not sure, take  a few sizes and hold on till you have a
few things and then go try them on. The worst is to get home and not
like what you buy because it's to tight or loose.
And like I said, google, google google.
Not just
What is in season?
But also
How to choose shoes for an outfit?
Or Will a blue shirt go with kackey pants?
or
What color tops to wear with dark/lite/etc bottoms?
What kind of tops to wear with (fill in the blank) pants/skirts...
Be kind of spisific but not spisific. If you know your body shape, google
What style of clothes looks best for my body shape?
Man if i had money to spend on clothes and not bills, I would go
shopping more often.
You could also do this with hair styles etc...

If your worried that they might be to busy to shop with you, call them
and tell them your blind and interested in shopping there and when
would be the best time of the day to come in. Some places will say mid
day because they have more workers, and some will say earlier or later
because their is less custermers. It is the prefrence of the store. If
you find someone you really like shopping with, get their name and ask
them when they normally work. I do this and then the next time I went
I asked for them. this is a wonderful thing for them and they get high
marks from there bosses for being requested.
I would too ask if there might be someone close to your age who could
help you shop for clothes because their style would be better than
someone or is either a lot older or younger than you. I had an older
women helping me and she did not try to pick out anything to old
fashion , but what i got was so much better than what she was trying
to get me to by.
a lot of it does come from expirience and confidence though. Know what
to ask and not being easily timpted to get whatever they hand you is
good and try to ask yourself and be aunist with yourself if you really
like the stuff. I know if i am nervous, I am more likely to buy
something I do not like because I am more influenced than when I fill
cunfirtable.

HTH

On 10/26/11, Debbie Wunder <debbiewunder at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Ashley, I find that if I am shopping alone, and not with a friend or 
> one
> of my daughters, if I go to the counter and ask for assistance, mostly
> people are very willing to help. It of course depends on the store, I have
> had good luck at JC Pennys or Dillards, also some smaller ladies shops. If
> you develope a relationship with a store manager, they seem to enjoy
> helping.
>
> It is important to me to have some one that I value thei opinion. The one
> thing that I have found that my youngest daughter is quick to tell me is
> that some things do not feel cute, and some feel cute that are not.
> Sometimes I here from my daught,No, mom. smile
>
> Debbie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: <shogle at students.kennesaw.edu>; "National Association of Blind 
> Students
> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
>
>> Sam,
>> Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are
>> laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance
>> the sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales
>> associate to help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they
>> are supposed to help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the
>> right size.
>>
>> We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the
>> browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little
>> vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to
>> the right shoe row.
>> My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go
>> with slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can
>> do some shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to
>> measure feet and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they
>> have more sales staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that
>> its easy to get help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a
>> question in the clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time! 
>> Sighted
>>
>> people need help finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after 
>> all
>>
>> department stores are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all 
>> the
>>
>> money, they are stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist
>> customers. Another  good thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is
>> I've noticed their customer service is overall better. If you need to
>> order shoes, they take care of that well. Clothes stores aren't the
>> greatest; they may take your order, but fail to notify you when its in or
>> enter the rong thing in.
>>
>> I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.
>>
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sam Hogle
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>> Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
>> the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
>> the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
>> weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
>> I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
>> in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
>> stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
>> know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
>> helps.
>> Sam
>> On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>> Thanks Chris.
>>> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
>>> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
>>> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
>>> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
>>> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
>>> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
>>> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
>>> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
>>> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
>>> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
>>> with sales staff.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
>>> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
>>> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
>>> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
>>> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
>>> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
>>> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
>>> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
>>> describing
>>> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
>>> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
>>> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
>>> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
>>> www.acb.org.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
>>> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
>>> are important. What else?
>>>
>>> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
>>> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
>>> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
>>> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
>>> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
>>> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
>>> also use Macy?셲 too.
>>>
>>> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
>>> see it in the case.
>>>
>>> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
>>> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
>>> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
>>> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
>>> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
>>> taste though, sometime.
>>>
>>> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
>>> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
>>> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
>>> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 27 17:49:06 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:49:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my Live Well column
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22.1319734808.5212.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP14710436E622B407F22E3F1C4D20@phx.gbl>

Hello,

Please read my latest Live Well Nebraska.com blog at:

http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/10/27/nonvisual-cooking/

I blog about experiencing food and cooking with the other senses.

Thanks for the support.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan



From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 27 18:10:38 2011
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:10:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] about JAWS
In-Reply-To: <941EC141554741A2AF3663E7CA2D616C@humbertoc95e81>
References: <941EC141554741A2AF3663E7CA2D616C@humbertoc95e81>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS9632F41148FA1F2B0CD05BAD20@phx.gbl>

Hi Humberto,
    Did you switch operating systems when you reformatted your computer? I'm
trying to figure out why it would work before but now currently. Are you
running JAWS Standard or Professional? I would definitely suggest contacting
Freedom and explaining your situation as they would hopefully be able to
better help you.

Thanks and take care.

Liz Bottner
Guiding Eyes Graduate Council
GEB Voicemail:  800-942-0149 Ext. 2531
e-mail: 
liziswhatis at hotmail.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Humberto Avila
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:27 PM
To: deniserob at gmail.com
Cc: gui-talk at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org; villagers at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] about JAWS

Hello, 
 
I recently downloaded JAWS on my computer which had a crash last week. My
computer is running fine now that I have installed everything. I was able to
activate JAWS with one of the JAWS license keys that I still have when I got
my laptop and the JAWS disks. However, whenever I start JAWS, the following
message is displayed:
"JAWS
This application is not authorized for Windows XP Professional, Windows
2000, or Windows NT 4.0
operating systems.  
Contact your local distributor or Freedom Scientific at 727-803-8000 or 
sales at freedomscientific.com for information about updating your product for
these operating 
systems. 
OK "
 
when I click OK on the message, it goes back to the tiring 40-minute mode. 
What should I do? do I just call the JAWS people and let them know of this? 
 
also, is it possible to update my license to be used on windows xp for free?
if not, how much would this cost?
 
BTW, I guess I learned something else, because I didn't know JAWS licenses
could be specifically designed for different windows systems. 
 
any help is appreciated.
 
thanks,
Humberto
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From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 27 18:12:27 2011
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:12:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [nabs] Fwd: Fwd: Mentoring and Internships for
	Computing Students	with Disabilities
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS738B1632D1D450A2592E2BAD20@phx.gbl>

FYI.

Liz Bottner
Guiding Eyes Graduate Council
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-bounces at acb.org [mailto:nabs-bounces at acb.org] On Behalf Of Laura
Glowacki
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:07 PM
To: Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students.
Subject: [nabs] Fwd: Fwd: Mentoring and Internships for Computing Students
with Disabilities

Here's a paid internship opportunity for students who are studying in a 
computer-related area.  Thought I'd pass it along.


PAID INTERNSHIPS and MENTORING for students with disabilities pursuing
computing!  Grant funded with no cost to students!

With the new school year underway, it's a great time for students to think
about their professional development and their career plans.
  AccessComputing would like to invite your students who are pursuing
computer science or other computing-related majors with disabilities to join
our AccessComputing team.  AccessComputing, led by the Department of
Computer Science and Engineering at the University of Washington and DO-IT
(Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, and Technology) and funded by
the National Science Foundation, aims to increase the participation of
people with disabilities in computing careers.  

Student team members engage in online MENTORING and are eligible for help
with PAID COMPUTING INTERNSHIPS.  To join the team, students must complete
and submit an application, available online
at:http://www.washington.edu/accesscomputing/team_app.html

For more information or help with the application, students are encouraged
to contact Brianna Blaser atblaser at uw.edu     

Best,
Brianna

Brianna Blaser, Ph.D.
Counselor/Coordinator, DO-IT
washington.edu/doit
University of Washington, Box 354842
Seattle, WA 98195
206-221-4163 | fax: 206-221-4171 |blaser at uw.edu


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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 27 18:23:12 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:23:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for shopping and trends
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22.1319734808.5212.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP16010815FB710EF92F972DCC4D20@phx.gbl>

Ashley,

When I shop with friends or family, I will give feedback on clothes for
them as well. One, they will describe clothing they are trying on or
going to try on, two, knowing what certain styles, cuts and fabrics
look/feel like and touching something when on a person, I can provide
opinions. I actually have a couple of friends who are sighted, but take
me to help them pick out clothes. For the sake of this discussion, I am
totally blind. I can "see" undefined shadows and some colors, but none
of this allows me to use vision. You're perfectly capable of giving an
opinion when shopping with others.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:51:49 -0400
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
Message-ID: <360DF32B4D994C4398E76CC3FB896A7A at OwnerPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ks_c_5601-1987";
	reply-type=original

Shop with friends.  Well, they don't seem to mind leading you to the 
appropriate clothes department and weaving through and among the various

clothes aisles. And they are pretty tight; you have to go single file at

least most department stores are that way.
Do you just try on clothes separately after your friend leads you to the

fitting room?
I guess they give opinions on what looks good, but you couldn't give
them 
clothes advice.
Yes I've found discount stores don't have much customer assistance. That
is 
why many people avoid them.

Ashley



From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 27 18:44:19 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:44:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for shopping and trends
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22.1319734808.5212.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP168984A26AC5C3371919455C4D20@phx.gbl>

First of all, not every sighted person dresses fashionably, nor do they
wear colors or styles that flatter their figure. So this isn't
necessarily a sight vs. blindness issue.

Black, white and beige/tan/brown are nuetral colors that tend to look
good on anyone and can go with pretty much any color. Having basic items
in neutral colors is a good idea because you can mix and match them with
other items. For example, with black slacks, you can wear multiple tops
and shoes making a versitile outfit. These neutral items broaden your
wardrobe and can make numerous outfits with just a few basic tops and
bottoms.

If shorter and rounder, avoiding certain prints will be better. Like no
geometric patterns or large floral prints. You don't have to always
stick with solids, just be aware of what patterns aren't flattering.

V-neck tops are great for a slimming effect. They create an inverted
point that grows smaller on the way down, which is how the eye sees it.
It gives the illusion of being slimmer because of this, whereas some
neck lines accentuate the width, making the eye go out instead of down.

Of course wearing all black is usually slimming, but again, just because
you stick with a solid doesn't mean you don't search for a style and cut
that flatters.

Being short, wear anything that lengthens. Fitted pants and tunics would
be good on a short frame, and with dresses and skirts, either have
hemlines reach to your ankle or mid-thigh. Hemlines hitting your calves
or knees will tend to shorten rather than lengthen. Heels, even half an
inch to one inch of course help with height.

You can learn what colors flatter your skin tone. There are warm tones
and cool tones. Usually people are placed into a certain category such
as spring, summer, autumn and winter. Each season has its own set of
warm and cool tones. Once you know your season and tone, you can carry a
fabric swatch around when shopping to show sale clerks. Some people can
fit into more than one tone. I'm a summer/winter who can wear the warm
and cool tones. You want colors that accentuate and flatter your skin
tone, not wash you out or accentuate anything like blotchy skin.

There are plenty of resources that detail this kind of information.
Books and online material can be found.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 14
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:10:03 -0400
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Techniques for shopping and trends
Message-ID: <DDBDD746CE3E482DBD967965556B6752 at OwnerPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Good information. But I wonder how you pick a set of colors and 
complimenting styles. I wish I had a sighted sister or cousin that lives

nearby! We'd have fun shopping together.
If I stick with what I was raised with and told what looks good on me,
its 
solid colors. I am five feet tall, and a little overweight. My legs are
a 
little muscular but not long. I was told I look good in black, red and
pink 
blouses/tops. For casual or dressy slacks I have mostly black and blue;
some 
cacki. I was told black and blue slacks look good on me too. I have V
neck 
shirts for dressier ocasions.

Maybe I could shop with my brother's new wife. She might be able to shop

with me, but at the same time not take over the whole experience; thanks
for 
the reminder that sighted people touch and pick up merchandise. We just
need 
to do it a bit more.
I wonder if there any books about colors and body image/type.
Ashley



From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 23:54:48 2011
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:54:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: FW: Fashion Show Video Links
In-Reply-To: <00b901cc94ec$506068b0$f1213a10$@latech.edu>
References: <003601cc94eb$375d5270$a617f750$@gmail.com>
	<00b901cc94ec$506068b0$f1213a10$@latech.edu>
Message-ID: <CAOy_VPRyu2r1RekoZEC7uUdom3Xbs-e-sdnrxTvA15Wc-EMmSw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Federationists,
The North Central Chapter of the NFB of Louisiana put together a
Fashion Show as one of their Meet the Blind Month events, in benefit
of a local charity. A number of us were able to participate, and I am
very excited to share the following video links with you all. Please
take a look and enjoy!!!!

Best,

...Gabe

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Deja M. Powell" <dpowell at latech.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:06:36 -0500
Subject: FW: Fashion Show Video Links

Here are long-awaited  video links for the fashion show. Feel free to share
them! Great work everyone!



Part 1: http://youtu.be/6b8tf1xTdiA

Part 2: http://youtu.be/51NgW6N1BSo

Faces of the Show: http://youtu.be/C8IUUp6dRnU



You can also find them all on the blog:
http://cityoflightsfashionshow.blogspot.com/

-- 
Gabriel M. Cazares,
2nd Vice President
Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS
(A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas)
www.nfbtx.org/tabs
Phone: 713-581-0619


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 04:05:40 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:05:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Online Statistical Calculator
Message-ID: <CALAYQJD263TufhnzxYcq0Auy_4qoH=1wTKDV+f1h5t0o3g42wQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I posted this a couple years ago, but figured it was about time to
re-post because it is an excellent resource for blind students taking
statistics. If you are needing to do statistical tests but are having
trouble finding an accessible software program to use, you should
check out the Graphpad calculator at
http://www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/index.cfm
The free online calculator will perform basic statistical tests such
as T-tests and chi-square, and can also be used to obtain critical
values for your test statistics. I have used it frequently and also
taught sighted students how to use it, and in both instances I found
it extremely accessible and easy to use. It also has built-in
tutorials which can help you understand and interpret the output.
If you have any questions about the calculator or would like more
information about how to use it in your course, please feel free to
write me off-list at
arielle71 at gmail.com

Best,
Arielle


From anjelinac26 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 04:13:22 2011
From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:13:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Online Statistical Calculator
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJD263TufhnzxYcq0Auy_4qoH=1wTKDV+f1h5t0o3g42wQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJD263TufhnzxYcq0Auy_4qoH=1wTKDV+f1h5t0o3g42wQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8732285F3B024915AFCCE6B659898D3D@AnjelinaPC>

Thanks for this resource. I'll be taking Stats next semester.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 12:05 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Online Statistical Calculator

Hi all,
I posted this a couple years ago, but figured it was about time to
re-post because it is an excellent resource for blind students taking
statistics. If you are needing to do statistical tests but are having
trouble finding an accessible software program to use, you should
check out the Graphpad calculator at
http://www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/index.cfm
The free online calculator will perform basic statistical tests such
as T-tests and chi-square, and can also be used to obtain critical
values for your test statistics. I have used it frequently and also
taught sighted students how to use it, and in both instances I found
it extremely accessible and easy to use. It also has built-in
tutorials which can help you understand and interpret the output.
If you have any questions about the calculator or would like more
information about how to use it in your course, please feel free to
write me off-list at
arielle71 at gmail.com

Best,
Arielle

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From valandkayla at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 04:36:34 2011
From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:36:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Online Statistical Calculator
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJD263TufhnzxYcq0Auy_4qoH=1wTKDV+f1h5t0o3g42wQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJD263TufhnzxYcq0Auy_4qoH=1wTKDV+f1h5t0o3g42wQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5304DE7A-F6D0-45AD-92E4-554F328F9417@gmail.com>

oh my god i wish i had this last semester! Or rather, i wish i would have thought to ask.  I had a horrible stats professor, and i mainly had to get on itunes U to find other profs who taught the same things and teach myself. definitely saving this site to my bookmarks.
On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:

> Hi all,
> I posted this a couple years ago, but figured it was about time to
> re-post because it is an excellent resource for blind students taking
> statistics. If you are needing to do statistical tests but are having
> trouble finding an accessible software program to use, you should
> check out the Graphpad calculator at
> http://www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/index.cfm
> The free online calculator will perform basic statistical tests such
> as T-tests and chi-square, and can also be used to obtain critical
> values for your test statistics. I have used it frequently and also
> taught sighted students how to use it, and in both instances I found
> it extremely accessible and easy to use. It also has built-in
> tutorials which can help you understand and interpret the output.
> If you have any questions about the calculator or would like more
> information about how to use it in your course, please feel free to
> write me off-list at
> arielle71 at gmail.com
> 
> Best,
> Arielle
> 
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 28 13:20:58 2011
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen Ly)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:20:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB - Bid for Excellence
Message-ID: <1DF66C60-3B7F-4864-9C53-0C518A3E8A69@sbcglobal.net>


http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Bid_for_Excellence.asp

Bid for Excellence

The Bid for Excellence is an exciting opportunity to raise funds to support the work of the NFB.  The NFB provides programs, encouragement, and opportunities that help blind people all over the nation achieve excellence in their education, employment, and all aspects of their lives.  You can help us make Bid for Excellence a success! 

Mark your Calendars! 

The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) Bid for Excellence national auction opens for bidding on Tuesday November 1, 2011! 

Preview Bid for Auction Items!

Bid for Excellence runs through December 5, 2011, so individual auctions will begin throughout the five weeks of the auction New items will be added regularly, so check back often to see what's new.  Follow the links below for a preview of Bid for Excellence auction packages available during the Bid for Excellence which starts on November 1.

Travel and Unique Experiences
Memorabilia and Collectables
Household and Gift Items

Donate an Item!

Another way to help is by soliciting donated items or services for the auction or making a donation yourself.  Popular auction items include travel packages; sporting, celebrity, and/or unique experience packages; and memorabilia and unique items.  If you have, art, gift baskets, vacation homes or condos that you would like to donate please let us know.  If you have an item you would like to donate, e-mail Bid for Excellence with as much detailed information  (with photos if possible) about your item or service donation. 

Check Back Often! 

We already have many exciting items for the auction including luxury accommodations in Cancun, Mexico, an opportunity to watch Hardball with Chris Matthews with a behind-the-scenes tour, and a plenty of gift items just in time for the holidays.  New items and updates will be added to this web page frequently, so check back for the latest information on the Bid for Excellence. 

Tell your Friends!

The most important way you can help is by telling your friends, family, and acquaintances.  Please tell everyone in your phone book and e-mail address book and everyone you come into contact with about Bid for Excellence and encourage them to participate.  Another easy way to get the word out is through your social media like Facebook and Twitter.  The more people who know about the auction, the better! 

Become a Sponsor!

Contact us to find out how you can take advantage of promotional and marketing opportunities for your business or to pledge your individual support.

For more information, help in how to promote the auction, to donate an item or service, or become a Bid for Excellence sponsor, contact Ann-Marie Laney at (410) 659-9314, extension 2371 or by e-mail at alaney at nfb.org. 

Don’t forget to mark your calendars, bidding begins on November 1, 2011! 

 



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 23:54:45 2011
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
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Hi all,
I'm curious whether anyone who has been blind since birth/childhood
has figured out how to give people good feedback on clothes they try
on, etc. and if so what techniques do you use? I too enjoy shopping
with friends and family and I would love to be able to help them pick
out stuff but I don't really get a sense of what looks good or not
based on a description, I think because I have never actually seen
colors etc. Do you guys get a sense for whether something fits right
by feeling it on someone who's wearing it?
Best,
Arielle

On 10/26/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ah, I wish we had a Belks up here. We shop at Macy's most often and a little
> at bloomingdales.
> When I was down south to see relatives, I liked Belks and Dillards; good
> selection and well laid out.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lea williams
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:48 PM
> To: Debbie Wunder ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>
> Hey I shop a lot with the help of the workers. I went a couple of
> weeks ago to get some shoes and an outfit. I first went to the shoe
> shop and just walked in and asked for help after walking through the
> store to hunt someone down. NP. I knew that i wanted sneakers or tenis
> shoes, whatever you call them and got a pair. But if your not sure,
> just tell them what stile of clothes you would wear with them, dressy,
> casual, fancey etc. You can also ask what color close the shoes would
> best work with. I got a pair of heels and I told them I primarily wear
> dark blue dressy geans and black slacks or dark kackey and they were
> able to tell me what color would go best with the colors. They took me
> to an ile to let me loose alone in my size while the lady went and
> found a helper for me. The worker came and I told her kind of what I
> was looking for and she picked out things that was around that would
> have worked and i chose from there.
> I have found telling them and asking a lot of things helps the both of
> you. If your not sure or understanding what they are saying, then ask
> loads of questions. It is your money your spending and if you buy it,
> it is you who takes it home not them.
> After this i went to Belks and had the lady there help me find an
> outfit. That one was a bit more tricky because she took me to the back
> and was trying to get me to pick from two tops that were hanging up on
> the wal. I did not like them and just started to wonder off and
> saying, "so whats over here or there"? We then discoverd that the
> store was filled with loads of clothes that were not on the wall.
> Waow!
> I did find a nice outfit, something that was on sale and cost less
> than the things on the wall by the way.
> Something you could do is to find out what your colors are, google. I
> Google a lot of things. You can put in Google,
> What style and color of clothes works best for me?
> and you can find bloggs that says, if your dark haired with whatever
> skin, wear this and that. they usually say spring, wenter, summer or
> fall colors, but the give good information. Then when your shopping,
> you have more of an idea of what colors to pick.
> If your not shure if something will fit, Ask them what do they think,
> will it fit you or not? I do this all the time , Sometimes a small is
> really a medium etc...
> They will help, and if they have small children or kids at home or
> even have raised them, they do a great job because they do it with
> their own children and it is second nature for them.
> If your still not sure, take  a few sizes and hold on till you have a
> few things and then go try them on. The worst is to get home and not
> like what you buy because it's to tight or loose.
> And like I said, google, google google.
> Not just
> What is in season?
> But also
> How to choose shoes for an outfit?
> Or Will a blue shirt go with kackey pants?
> or
> What color tops to wear with dark/lite/etc bottoms?
> What kind of tops to wear with (fill in the blank) pants/skirts...
> Be kind of spisific but not spisific. If you know your body shape, google
> What style of clothes looks best for my body shape?
> Man if i had money to spend on clothes and not bills, I would go
> shopping more often.
> You could also do this with hair styles etc...
>
> If your worried that they might be to busy to shop with you, call them
> and tell them your blind and interested in shopping there and when
> would be the best time of the day to come in. Some places will say mid
> day because they have more workers, and some will say earlier or later
> because their is less custermers. It is the prefrence of the store. If
> you find someone you really like shopping with, get their name and ask
> them when they normally work. I do this and then the next time I went
> I asked for them. this is a wonderful thing for them and they get high
> marks from there bosses for being requested.
> I would too ask if there might be someone close to your age who could
> help you shop for clothes because their style would be better than
> someone or is either a lot older or younger than you. I had an older
> women helping me and she did not try to pick out anything to old
> fashion , but what i got was so much better than what she was trying
> to get me to by.
> a lot of it does come from expirience and confidence though. Know what
> to ask and not being easily timpted to get whatever they hand you is
> good and try to ask yourself and be aunist with yourself if you really
> like the stuff. I know if i am nervous, I am more likely to buy
> something I do not like because I am more influenced than when I fill
> cunfirtable.
>
> HTH
>
> On 10/26/11, Debbie Wunder <debbiewunder at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi Ashley, I find that if I am shopping alone, and not with a friend or
>> one
>> of my daughters, if I go to the counter and ask for assistance, mostly
>> people are very willing to help. It of course depends on the store, I have
>> had good luck at JC Pennys or Dillards, also some smaller ladies shops. If
>> you develope a relationship with a store manager, they seem to enjoy
>> helping.
>>
>> It is important to me to have some one that I value thei opinion. The one
>> thing that I have found that my youngest daughter is quick to tell me is
>> that some things do not feel cute, and some feel cute that are not.
>> Sometimes I here from my daught,No, mom. smile
>>
>> Debbie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: <shogle at students.kennesaw.edu>; "National Association of Blind
>> Students
>> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>
>>
>>> Sam,
>>> Thanks. And that's the technique I was thinking of! As we know, shoes are
>>> laid out on racks, in rows. I figured I could go up to one, for instance
>>> the sandles if that interests me, and feel them. Then get a sales
>>> associate to help me pick the size, color, etc from there. Actually, they
>>> are supposed to help anyone; they will measure your feet to find out the
>>> right size.
>>>
>>> We've gotten assistance for shoe fitting before, but family has done the
>>> browsing. Glad to know another blind person does this. I have a little
>>> vision, so may be able to see the colors and that will aid me in going to
>>> the right shoe row.
>>> My shoes are wearing out. I want some new blue easy spirit shoes to go
>>> with slacks. And I need new sandles for next summer. So I definitely can
>>> do some shoe shopping. IMO, since shoe department staff are expected to
>>> measure feet and pick out shoes from the stock room my impression is they
>>> have more sales staff on hand. I notice when shopping with my mother that
>>> its easy to get help in the shoe department typically, but if you have a
>>> question in the clothes department, you'll be waiting a long time!
>>> Sighted
>>>
>>> people need help finding a size or a particular brand sometimes; after
>>> all
>>>
>>> department stores are huge! But since the coporation wants to keep all
>>> the
>>>
>>> money, they are stingy about hiring adaquate sales staff to assist
>>> customers. Another  good thing about shoe departments or shoe stores is
>>> I've noticed their customer service is overall better. If you need to
>>> order shoes, they take care of that well. Clothes stores aren't the
>>> greatest; they may take your order, but fail to notify you when its in or
>>> enter the rong thing in.
>>>
>>> I wonder if new balance shoes or Niki are more popular.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sam Hogle
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley. I've gone shoe shopping before, and to me, they are some of
>>> the easiest items to pick out. When I go shoe shopping, I find out where
>>> the shoes are, and go down the line feeling each one. Some may find that
>>> weird, but if they were to say anything, I would respond with at least
>>> I'm doing it independently. Anyway, if I find any that I'm interested
>>> in, I then ask someone to describe those to me. The description would be
>>> stuff like brand name or color. Then, based on what I like and what I
>>> know from others about what the trend is, I make my selection. Hope this
>>> helps.
>>> Sam
>>> On 10/25/2011 9:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>> Thanks Chris.
>>>> Maybe others will chime in later. I heard that personal shoppers is
>>>> one technique. I wonder how that works though. Do they select clothes
>>>> based on skin tone and size? I wonder if some stores will measure you
>>>> for size. I would expect you'd need an appointment which is fine, but
>>>> I wouldn't want to pay for a service just to pick out clothes.
>>>> Also what about shoes. Usually if I'm with family, they browse and try
>>>> and pick for me. Is it okay to browse by touching the shoes? Maybe get
>>>> a shoe salesperson to bring me to the right type of shoe and then I
>>>> see what is there? Sighted people just look around and say oh that
>>>> shoe looks good. But I wonder a better, independent way even if its
>>>> with sales staff.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:03 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>>
>>>> I can't help you very much with techniques for shopping for
>>>> clothes, perfume and jewelry, as most of these questions would be
>>>> better answered by ladies, which I'm not. But I can give you one
>>>> resource for finding out the fassion trends. There's a lady
>>>> named Lynn Cooper who started an initiative called the Mirrors
>>>> Project, to make fassion more accessible to people with
>>>> disabilities. She comes on ACB Reports, which can be heard on
>>>> acbradio.org, twice every season to give her Fassion Report,
>>>> describing
>>>> that season's fassion trends for both men and women. This is a
>>>> good resource to find a detailed description of all the trends
>>>> spesifically tailored for blind people. Lynn's Web site is
>>>> www.lynncooper.us and you can find the 2011 ACB Reports shows on
>>>> www.acb.org.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:40 -0400
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> What are techniques for clothes shopping? What do you need to
>>>> know when going to shop? Of course, the size and brand you wear
>>>> are important. What else?
>>>>
>>>> I know how to shop for regular items like groceries; you just ask
>>>> a clerk in the store. But clothes are different. You need the
>>>> right thing and often need to try things on. I?셫 sure picking
>>>> out something like jeans, sweat pants, or a casual shirt is
>>>> easier than picking out something more dressy. Personally, I
>>>> grew up using JCPenney and Hects before they were bought. We
>>>> also use Macy?셲 too.
>>>>
>>>> Also, how do you pick perfume out? What about jewelry? We cannot
>>>> see it in the case.
>>>>
>>>> I know some stores have personal shoppers. Do they charge for
>>>> their service? If you used one, how did it go? How long do you
>>>> have with them? Some blind people always shop with family so they
>>>> can get feedback on how they look. I;?셝 rather pick my own
>>>> things and pick out something independent from my mother?셲
>>>> taste though, sometime.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I?셫 not into fashion much, but its good to be aware of
>>>> trends and the latest stuff so we can pick them if we want. How
>>>> do you find out about that stuff? Are reading magazines such as
>>>> Seventeen a good idea even though we can?셳 see the pictures?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Sat Oct 29 00:12:51 2011
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:12:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone and OCR
Message-ID: <002101cc95cf$8071c3d0$81554b70$@insightbb.com>

I just received my new iPhone 4S and I'm loving it. Can anyone tell me if
there is a way I can load PDF image files onto the iPhone and run them
through an OCR app then read them with VoiceOver? 

Thanks,

Melanie

 

www.twitter.com/melpeskoe 


From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Oct 29 03:48:40 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:48:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Fwd: ADV: Nokia Screen Reader
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>Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:44:34 -0400
>To: dandrews at visi.com
>From: "Code Factory Marketing" <marketing at codefactory.es>
>Subject: ADV:
>  Nokia Screen Reader
>
>
>
>
>Nokia rolls out new screen reader
>
>
>
>
>
>Source: 
>http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/10/27/nokia-rolls-out-new-screen-reader/
>
><http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=2163268&msgid=10724&act=A9KI&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.conversations.nokia.com.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FConversations-1st-picture-sm.jpg>
>[]
>
>
>LONDON, United Kingdom – Nokia has announced a 
>screen reader this week at Nokia World 2011, in 
>addition to a number of accessibility apps. 
>These new products matter because they will make 
>it easier for people with disabilities to use Nokia devices.
>
>The software supplier for the Nokia Screen 
>Reader is 
><http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=2163268&msgid=10724&act=A9KI&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codefactory.es%2Fen%2F>Code 
>Factory, based in Spain. The CEO Eduard Sánchez describes the situation:
>For a blind person, the only way to use a mobile 
>phone without accessibility software is to know 
>it by heart. That is, you need to know that if 
>you press the Menu key and scroll down four 
>times, you will be at the Message folder. And, 
>when you get there, it is necessary to press the 
>right softkey to open Options. It’s difficult 
>to learn the different functions and memorize 
>them. This makes the phone largely inaccessible. 
>The Nokia Screen Reader provides a great alternative.
>
>The Nokia Screen Reader is an application that 
>converts screen content into speech. It’s 
>helpful not only for users with sight 
>limitations, but anyone who is not able to 
>dedicate their attention to the screen. For 
>example, it allows you to listen to text messages when you exercise.
>
>Besides calling and texting, the screen reader 
>is helpful for browsing the internet, accessing 
>call lists and contacts, and managing the 
>calendar. It works on touch screen devices and 
>those with a physical key pad. The reader 
>features a simple command structure which is 
>easy to remember, as well as a configurable 
>control panel. It’s available at launch in 
>eight different languages: English, Spanish, 
>French, German, Portuguese, Finnish, Swedish and Italian.
>
>The Nokia Screen Reader can be downloaded from 
>the Nokia Store free of charge. It will be 
>available before the end of the year for the C5 
>5 MP, Nokia 700 and Nokia 701 with Symbian 
>Belle. We’re also exploring opportunities to 
>bring screen reader technology to feature phones 
>to reach as many customers as possible.
>
>The launch of the Nokia Screen Reader coincides 
>with another important development: the new 
><http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=2163268&msgid=10724&act=A9KI&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.ovi.com%2Fchannel%2F1939>Accessibility 
>Channel in the Nokia Store. This channel 
>aggregates apps that can assist people with 
>vision, hearing and speech, as well as cognition and dexterity problems.
>
>[]
>
>
>So what kind of apps are available? Well, there 
>is 
><http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=2163268&msgid=10724&act=A9KI&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.ovi.com%2Fcontent%2F16544>Vlingo, 
>a voice recognition app that carries out 
>commands on the device. Or 
><http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=2163268&msgid=10724&act=A9KI&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.ovi.com%2Fcontent%2F10614>T9 
>Nav, which finds information on your device when 
>you type what you’re looking for. Or, if you 
>left your glasses at home, try 
><http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=2163268&msgid=10724&act=A9KI&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.ovi.com%2Fcontent%2F30897>Font 
>Magnifier, which allows you to zoom the text by 
>140%. There are now some 50 apps available for 
>download from the Nokia Store for selected Nokia devices.
>
>If you need assistance downloading the Nokia 
>Screen Reader, please call 
><http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=2163268&msgid=10724&act=A9KI&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nokia.com%2Fabout-nokia%2Fcontacts%2Fcustomer-service>Nokia 
>Customer Care in your country, or send us a message on Twitter @NokiaHelps.
>
>We’re continuously working to improve our 
>accessibility offering. Please tell us what sort 
>of accessibility apps and device features you 
>would like to see in the future from us!
>
>Source: 
>http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/10/27/nokia-rolls-out-new-screen-reader/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Oct 29 03:50:44 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:50:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Seminars@Hadley Presents: Business Roundtable
 with Urban Miyares
Message-ID: <auto-000034290827@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>
>Seminars at Hadley Presents: Business Roundtable with Urban Miyares
>
>Date: Tuesday, November 1 and Wednesday, November 2
>
>Time: 9:00 AM CDT, 14:00 GMT
>
>The Hadley School for the Blind's Forsythe Center for 
>Entrepreneurship presents a Business Roundtable featuring Urban 
>Miyares, president of the Disabled Businesspersons Association. 
>Miyares will be giving four presentations on business and 
>entrepreneurship, including "Partnering with Friends and Family," 
>"Self-Promotion," "Inventions," and "Making Money with Your Ideas." 
>Miyares is a nationally recognized entrepreneur as well as a 
>motivational speaker, published author and patent holder. An 
>entrepreneur for more than 40 years, Urban Miyares, and the Disabled 
>Businesspersons Association are recognized as one of the nation's 
>leading authorities on the self-employment of people with disabilities.
>
>Join Seminars at Hadley as Miyares gives these informative 
>presentations on becoming an entrepreneur and starting a business.
>
>These two 115-minute seminars will be moderated by Forsythe Center 
>for Entrepreneurship Program Manager Tom Babinszki. A question and 
>answer period via text will be included during each day's session. 
>Please note: You must only register once for both seminars. Once 
>registered, you can attend both or either.
>
>Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know 
>you are available to attend so that others are not closed out. To 
>register for the seminar, follow this link: 
>http://hadley.edu/SeminarDetails.asp?sid=103
>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Oct 29 04:38:25 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:38:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] digital recorders
Message-ID: <000601cc95f4$9970ff20$cc52fd60$@comcast.net>

Hello all,
 
I hope that you are all having a good weekend. Well, as one of my
personal presents to myself I'm planning to purchase a digital
recorder for my personal use and also for professional use too. I
know that there are many accessible ones out there but, I was
wondering which one is the best one to purchase and is it
accessible and reasonable to purchase???
 
Thanks again in advance and, I will talk to you all soon.
 
 
 
Hugs,
amy

From jty727 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 05:34:18 2011
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 01:34:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] digital recorders
In-Reply-To: <000601cc95f4$9970ff20$cc52fd60$@comcast.net>
References: <000601cc95f4$9970ff20$cc52fd60$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s73ggWr=Zs8Mp4TCWEMzBepemTB5Do4xQbCA2zOpZ=m8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Amy!

Hope you are doing well.  In terms of a Digital Recorder I have used
one of the Olympus models for the past several years which has worked
very well for me.  I bought it from Best Buy for I think $99.99.  The
best part to it is that you can put whatever you record on to your
computer.  The bottom comes off and hidden is a USB which allows you
to put the stuff on the computer for arctiving.  I think it is a
Olympus WS311 is the name of it.

Hope this helps you!

Justin

On 10/29/11, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that you are all having a good weekend. Well, as one of my
> personal presents to myself I'm planning to purchase a digital
> recorder for my personal use and also for professional use too. I
> know that there are many accessible ones out there but, I was
> wondering which one is the best one to purchase and is it
> accessible and reasonable to purchase???
>
> Thanks again in advance and, I will talk to you all soon.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
> _______________________________________________
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Oct 29 05:39:44 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:39:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] digital recorders
In-Reply-To: <CA+3U9s73ggWr=Zs8Mp4TCWEMzBepemTB5Do4xQbCA2zOpZ=m8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601cc95f4$9970ff20$cc52fd60$@comcast.net>
	<CA+3U9s73ggWr=Zs8Mp4TCWEMzBepemTB5Do4xQbCA2zOpZ=m8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601cc95fd$29cac1c0$7d604540$@comcast.net>

Hello Justin,

Thanks for your help. I will keep that in mind in deciding which
model to purchase for a digital recorder. But, it seems that the
Olympus models seem the most accessible.

Thanks again and, I will talk to you soon.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:34 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] digital recorders

Hi Amy!

Hope you are doing well.  In terms of a Digital Recorder I have
used
one of the Olympus models for the past several years which has
worked
very well for me.  I bought it from Best Buy for I think $99.99.
The
best part to it is that you can put whatever you record on to
your
computer.  The bottom comes off and hidden is a USB which allows
you
to put the stuff on the computer for arctiving.  I think it is a
Olympus WS311 is the name of it.

Hope this helps you!

Justin

On 10/29/11, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that you are all having a good weekend. Well, as one of
my
> personal presents to myself I'm planning to purchase a digital
> recorder for my personal use and also for professional use too.
I
> know that there are many accessible ones out there but, I was
> wondering which one is the best one to purchase and is it
> accessible and reasonable to purchase???
>
> Thanks again in advance and, I will talk to you all soon.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
> _______________________________________________
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From jp100 at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 29 05:43:17 2011
From: jp100 at earthlink.net (Jim)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:43:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] digital recorders
In-Reply-To: <CA+3U9s73ggWr=Zs8Mp4TCWEMzBepemTB5Do4xQbCA2zOpZ=m8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601cc95f4$9970ff20$cc52fd60$@comcast.net>
	<CA+3U9s73ggWr=Zs8Mp4TCWEMzBepemTB5Do4xQbCA2zOpZ=m8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007901cc95fd$a9658910$fc309b30$@earthlink.net>

Olympus is very high and reputable on my list.  If you get something like
the Olympus dm-520 or something along those lines, you will be getting
something that will make good quality recordings.


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Justin Young
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:34 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] digital recorders

Hi Amy!

Hope you are doing well.  In terms of a Digital Recorder I have used one of
the Olympus models for the past several years which has worked very well for
me.  I bought it from Best Buy for I think $99.99.  The best part to it is
that you can put whatever you record on to your computer.  The bottom comes
off and hidden is a USB which allows you to put the stuff on the computer
for arctiving.  I think it is a Olympus WS311 is the name of it.

Hope this helps you!

Justin

On 10/29/11, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that you are all having a good weekend. Well, as one of my 
> personal presents to myself I'm planning to purchase a digital 
> recorder for my personal use and also for professional use too. I know 
> that there are many accessible ones out there but, I was wondering 
> which one is the best one to purchase and is it accessible and 
> reasonable to purchase???
>
> Thanks again in advance and, I will talk to you all soon.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
> _______________________________________________
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From djdan567 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 07:12:58 2011
From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 03:12:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] digital recorders
In-Reply-To: <000601cc95f4$9970ff20$cc52fd60$@comcast.net>
References: <000601cc95f4$9970ff20$cc52fd60$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAHqJse1GogLdwMND5U4j6mTvf8Tv3PcLpoP-er3rwD2xsCAW2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Amy. I purchased an Olympus LS-7. For professional use it brings a
third mic which is omny directional so it picks up base frequencies
quite well.  With the olympuses you're rest assured that you'll be
getting a good quality, stereo recording with the internal microphones
for a cheep price. DM420, DM520, DM620 and LS-7 are all my
recommendations. They all have a great solid build, internal
microphones to capture everything you desire, and a long lasting
battery life. On a full charge, the Olympus LS-7 gives you 50 hours of
battery life, and all recorders have the options for bitrate and audio
file type. THis including wav, WMA, and MP3. Hope this helps.

On 10/29/11, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that you are all having a good weekend. Well, as one of my
> personal presents to myself I'm planning to purchase a digital
> recorder for my personal use and also for professional use too. I
> know that there are many accessible ones out there but, I was
> wondering which one is the best one to purchase and is it
> accessible and reasonable to purchase???
>
> Thanks again in advance and, I will talk to you all soon.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
> _______________________________________________
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 18:41:46 2011
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:41:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Online Statistical Calculator
In-Reply-To: <5304DE7A-F6D0-45AD-92E4-554F328F9417@gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJD263TufhnzxYcq0Auy_4qoH=1wTKDV+f1h5t0o3g42wQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5304DE7A-F6D0-45AD-92E4-554F328F9417@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABORmNsbhKnzUiuab2wRHOGC7RUuv_xNvB1WjTabDWPh9aAfBA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Arielle,
Thank you for re-posting this link! I have to take statistics next
year, so I'll definitely bookmark the calculator and use it for my
class!

~Jewel

On 10/28/11, Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com> wrote:
> oh my god i wish i had this last semester! Or rather, i wish i would have
> thought to ask.  I had a horrible stats professor, and i mainly had to get
> on itunes U to find other profs who taught the same things and teach myself.
> definitely saving this site to my bookmarks.
> On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I posted this a couple years ago, but figured it was about time to
>> re-post because it is an excellent resource for blind students taking
>> statistics. If you are needing to do statistical tests but are having
>> trouble finding an accessible software program to use, you should
>> check out the Graphpad calculator at
>> http://www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/index.cfm
>> The free online calculator will perform basic statistical tests such
>> as T-tests and chi-square, and can also be used to obtain critical
>> values for your test statistics. I have used it frequently and also
>> taught sighted students how to use it, and in both instances I found
>> it extremely accessible and easy to use. It also has built-in
>> tutorials which can help you understand and interpret the output.
>> If you have any questions about the calculator or would like more
>> information about how to use it in your course, please feel free to
>> write me off-list at
>> arielle71 at gmail.com
>>
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Oct 29 19:47:00 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:47:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] BANA Announces Part 2 of Article: The
 Evolution of Braille: Can the Past Help Plan the Future
Message-ID: <auto-000034353414@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>[]
>
>Press Release
>October 2011
>
>For Immediate Release
>
>CONTACT: Judy Dixon, Chair
>
>Braille Authority of North America
>
>Phone: 202-707-0722;
>
>Email: jdix at loc.gov
>
>
>BANA Publishes Part Two of Article on the Evolution of Braille
>
>
>
>The Braille Authority of North America (BANA) 
>has recently released the second segment of a 
>three-part article on the evolution of braille. 
>In this piece, BANA focuses on the complexities 
>of code building as well as on current 
>challenges in transcription, translation, and backtranslation of braille.
>
>Parts One and Two of “The Evolution of Braille: 
>Can the Past Help Plan the Future?” are now 
>posted on the BANA website at: 
><http://www.brailleauthority.org>http://www.brailleauthority.org. 
>The final segment of this significant article 
>will be released in early December. BANA will 
>announce its publication through press releases and email announcements.
>
>
>
>BANA will meet on November 3–6, 2011, in 
>Baltimore, MD. Guests are invited to attend BANA 
>Board meetings and to observe the deliberations. 
>The Board’s agenda includes reports from all of 
>BANA's committees as well as from September’s 
>World Congress Braille21 conference in Leipzig, 
>Germany. If you are interested in attending the 
>BANA meeting, please contact Chair Judy Dixon to reserve space.
>
>
>
>Follow BANA’s work via BANA-Announce, a one-way 
>email list that shares news and information. To 
>join this list, send a blank email to 
><mailto:bana-announce-subscribe at brailleauthority.org>bana-announce-subscribe at brailleauthority.org 
>and follow the directions in the confirmation email.
>
>
>
>The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority 
>of North America are to assure literacy for 
>tactile readers through the standardization of 
>braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes 
>and facilitates the use, teaching, and 
>production of braille. It publishes rules, 
>interprets, and renders opinions pertaining to 
>braille in all existing codes. It deals with 
>codes now in existence or to be developed in the 
>future, in collaboration with other countries 
>using English braille. In exercising its 
>function and authority, BANA considers the 
>effects of its decisions on other existing 
>braille codes and formats; the ease of 
>production by various methods; and acceptability to readers.
>
>
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From bpollpeter at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 30 18:32:39 2011
From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for shopping and trends
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22.1319907612.12868.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP479ED9E5C024622906E2AC8C4D10@phx.gbl>

Arielle,

Well I can't speak for always being blind since I didn't lose my sight
until I was 22, but though I understand color and style from a visual
perspective, I can no longer make a judgment based on my own visual
understanding. I've had people tell me something looks really good on
me, but it just didn't feel right or comfortable. So it can be tricky,
and frustrating, to really determine independently if something looks
good.

The friends and family I shop with don't mind if I feel them up in the
fitting room or at home. I can obviously touch clothes and shoes to
discover texture, detail, cut, etc., and once on a person, I can get a
rough idea of how it "looks" on a person. I can feel how long or short
something is, what it's like once filled out, what the neckline is like,
etc. Of course, this requires you and the person you're with to be
comfortable enough to quite literally feel up.

Of course, the only guy I do this with is my husband! Smile. And
usually, when at a store, I'll just check length on pants and tops, how
tight or loose the waist is, and how a shirt fits across the shoulders.
Though we may be confortable with it, other shoppers may not appreciate
the blind couple feeling each other up in the fitting rooms. Can you
imagine? Although, having worked retail for years, I encountered some
crazy situations when it came to fitting room behavior! LOL

Anywhoo,  I don't think it's necessary to have a visual to understand
how something fits and "looks." Touch will show you a lot, and again, if
you learn certain terms and types of styles and fabrics, it may help you
better understand things. Regardless, as long as the person you're with
doesn't mind, touching can provide you with a ton of info when it comes
to clothes.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:45 -0600
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
Message-ID:
	
<CALAYQJA8SQmYT5FSLQ3pBdYpZ2cq=bO-62UGFOEmpMbC3--Rdw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR

Hi all,
I'm curious whether anyone who has been blind since birth/childhood has
figured out how to give people good feedback on clothes they try on,
etc. and if so what techniques do you use? I too enjoy shopping with
friends and family and I would love to be able to help them pick out
stuff but I don't really get a sense of what looks good or not based on
a description, I think because I have never actually seen colors etc. Do
you guys get a sense for whether something fits right by feeling it on
someone who's wearing it? Best, Arielle



From kobycox at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 18:47:27 2011
From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:47:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for shopping and trends
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP479ED9E5C024622906E2AC8C4D10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CC89587FD366427EAF3B9ACA8794B193@OwnerPC>

Bridget,
Can you please email me off list?
Thanks,
Koby.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:33 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques for shopping and trends

Arielle,

Well I can't speak for always being blind since I didn't lose my sight
until I was 22, but though I understand color and style from a visual
perspective, I can no longer make a judgment based on my own visual
understanding. I've had people tell me something looks really good on
me, but it just didn't feel right or comfortable. So it can be tricky,
and frustrating, to really determine independently if something looks
good.

The friends and family I shop with don't mind if I feel them up in the
fitting room or at home. I can obviously touch clothes and shoes to
discover texture, detail, cut, etc., and once on a person, I can get a
rough idea of how it "looks" on a person. I can feel how long or short
something is, what it's like once filled out, what the neckline is like,
etc. Of course, this requires you and the person you're with to be
comfortable enough to quite literally feel up.

Of course, the only guy I do this with is my husband! Smile. And
usually, when at a store, I'll just check length on pants and tops, how
tight or loose the waist is, and how a shirt fits across the shoulders.
Though we may be confortable with it, other shoppers may not appreciate
the blind couple feeling each other up in the fitting rooms. Can you
imagine? Although, having worked retail for years, I encountered some
crazy situations when it came to fitting room behavior! LOL

Anywhoo,  I don't think it's necessary to have a visual to understand
how something fits and "looks." Touch will show you a lot, and again, if
you learn certain terms and types of styles and fabrics, it may help you
better understand things. Regardless, as long as the person you're with
doesn't mind, touching can provide you with a ton of info when it comes
to clothes.

Sincerely,
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Read my blog at:
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
 
"History is not what happened; history is what was written down."
The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:45 -0600
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] techniques for shopping and trends
Message-ID:
	
<CALAYQJA8SQmYT5FSLQ3pBdYpZ2cq=bO-62UGFOEmpMbC3--Rdw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR

Hi all,
I'm curious whether anyone who has been blind since birth/childhood has
figured out how to give people good feedback on clothes they try on,
etc. and if so what techniques do you use? I too enjoy shopping with
friends and family and I would love to be able to help them pick out
stuff but I don't really get a sense of what looks good or not based on
a description, I think because I have never actually seen colors etc. Do
you guys get a sense for whether something fits right by feeling it on
someone who's wearing it? Best, Arielle


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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 02:09:35 2011
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:09:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] digital recorders
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Hello Daniel,

Thanks for the redcommdendations for purchasing a digital
recorder. All of the Olympus modeals soundsufficient for my
needs. Thanks again and, I will talk to you soon.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Romero
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:13 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] digital recorders

Hi Amy. I purchased an Olympus LS-7. For professional use it
brings a third mic which is omny directional so it picks up base
frequencies quite well.  With the olympuses you're rest assured
that you'll be getting a good quality, stereo recording with the
internal microphones for a cheep price. DM420, DM520, DM620 and
LS-7 are all my recommendations. They all have a great solid
build, internal microphones to capture everything you desire, and
a long lasting battery life. On a full charge, the Olympus LS-7
gives you 50 hours of battery life, and all recorders have the
options for bitrate and audio file type. THis including wav, WMA,
and MP3. Hope this helps.

On 10/29/11, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that you are all having a good weekend. Well, as one of
my 
> personal presents to myself I'm planning to purchase a digital 
> recorder for my personal use and also for professional use too.
I know 
> that there are many accessible ones out there but, I was
wondering 
> which one is the best one to purchase and is it accessible and 
> reasonable to purchase???
>
> Thanks again in advance and, I will talk to you all soon.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
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From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 02:51:23 2011
From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:51:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] community service conference call
Message-ID: <CAOY844TfUP6_mNbCFHnd9K7vEKcHSE530eLbGPP0QO+mTZ38oA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello to all,

This is a reminder that we will be having are community service call
next Sunday  November 6 at 8:00 PM. ET. The topic for this month is
going to be on disclosure of blindness. We hope that you will take the
time and come check it out.
The number to call in to is 218:339:3600  and the code is 808277.


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 20:48:19 2011
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:48:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] *Hot off the presses* The Student Slate (Special Fall
	issue!)
Message-ID: <CAEwUdjNeH-+jFscKK9W0OKjor70Dwo=CO6Dt-+voZ=WvKAFbhQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Behalf of the Student Slate committee and  all of it's fine
contributers, I am pleased to  present to you
a Special all hallows issue of the student slate!
 This issue is full of  great advice, Insight  and inspiration  and I
hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
  Thank you to  Each of the individuals who made this issue possible!
 If you have suggestions for articles, or wish to contribute one
yourself, please feel free to send a message to the slate committee at
 slate at nabslink.org
-- 
Darian Smith
 2nd Vice-President
National Association of Blind Students
www.nabslink.org

"To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
formula
for a life well lived."

- Dr. Peter Benson
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