From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 00:40:31 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:40:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] is Active Inspire accessible? Message-ID: <4e5ed481.0907e70a.3569.0199@mx.google.com> You may want to negotiate with your teacher, Chris. I don't think Active Inspire is accesssible. If it's a program with a strange name, or if it's known to have problems like e-grade, Course Commpass, or even this thing, it may or may not be accessible. I'd ask your voc rehab counselor or TVI. Does your teacher have the book "Making It Work" by Carol Castellano? I'm reading that book, and maybe there are some helpful hints the teacher might be able to read. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum References: Message-ID: Joshua, what is the National Braille Association, please? Annemarie From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Sep 1 03:39:42 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 22:39:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] saga... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They were a nonprofit, organization, in New York, that transcribed books, into Braille. Someone directed me to them, on this list. Here's their site. http://www.nationalbraille.org Blessings, Joshua On 8/31/11, Annemarie Cooke wrote: > > Joshua, what is the National Braille Association, please? > Annemarie > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 05:59:50 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:59:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accountants wanted, and some questions Message-ID: <4e5f1f59.c29b2a0a.51bd.0d5d@mx.google.com> Hi, everyone. My bf, who is Muslim and Somali, wants to go to University of Medina at Munawarrah. I have questions about how others who are blind managed college abroad. Do you guys know of anybody who's blind who's managed the place? How were they viewed as they roamed the campus with their canes and so on? The reason why I'm asking these questions is because he's almost ready to give up on accounting. Speaking of which, are there any accounting majors on this list? If so, e-mail me off list and I can put you in touch with this guy. He needs help and guidance but is not on this list. He's having a hard time with books and Braille and such. So any accountants get in touch with me and I'll give you his e-mail address. Thanks. Beth From carlymih at earthlink.net Thu Sep 1 15:45:10 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 08:45:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] is Active Inspire accessible? In-Reply-To: <4e5e97bb.2a4a340a.2080.ffffa970@mx.google.com> References: <4e5e97bb.2a4a340a.2080.ffffa970@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110901084230.01d33b70@earthlink.net> Good morning, Chris, Are you saying you'd rather use a computer in class, than a human reader, particularly when automation is over taking, our lives? for today, Car:21 PM 8/31/2011, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I've just started 8th grade! My science teacher is using a program >called Active Inspire, which is part of the Permethian >software. This is where she creates her flip charts that contain >all the activities and links to Web sites that we'll use on a daily >basis. Does anyone know if this Active Inspire program is >accessible with JAWS? Are there any work-arounds that can help me do >everything independently without using a human reader (my lab >partner) when she's working on her own? Thanks for any help! > >Chris > >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth >Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 1 16:48:30 2011 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (Tina Thomas) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 09:48:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] is Active Inspire accessible? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110901084230.01d33b70@earthlink.net> References: <4e5e97bb.2a4a340a.2080.ffffa970@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110901084230.01d33b70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00cd01cc68c7$081bec10$1853c430$@net> While we have made great strides in improving technology for the blind, in some cases it is necessary to use a human reader. Tina -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:45 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] is Active Inspire accessible? Good morning, Chris, Are you saying you'd rather use a computer in class, than a human reader, particularly when automation is over taking, our lives? for today, Car:21 PM 8/31/2011, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I've just started 8th grade! My science teacher is using a program >called Active Inspire, which is part of the Permethian >software. This is where she creates her flip charts that contain >all the activities and links to Web sites that we'll use on a daily >basis. Does anyone know if this Active Inspire program is >accessible with JAWS? Are there any work-arounds that can help me do >everything independently without using a human reader (my lab >partner) when she's working on her own? Thanks for any help! > >Chris > >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth >Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlin k.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.n et From jordyn2493 at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 19:48:16 2011 From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:48:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math in College: Symbols and Readers Message-ID: <4E5FE180.3090607@gmail.com> Hey everyone, I've just started my first semester in college and I'm wondering about what advice you can give for math classes. Do most of you just use readers, and if so, what for? Second, how do write the symbols for the class like the Union symbol and Epsalon, and all that stuff? How do you draw graphs or do you describe them? What do you do when assignments or quizes have to be submitted electronically? How do you turn in your answers for tests and quizes and make them look presentable with the symbols drawn correctly and things like that? Have any of you had professors who you can barely understand and how do you deal with this? Do you have any other advice? Thanks for the help, Jordyn From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 20:02:34 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:02:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article Message-ID: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn about both. Here is the article. 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP by Kenneth Semien Sr. All too often, people join organizations without taking advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of its purpose, mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a lack of participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit what could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build great relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities that can make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to explore the meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below to assist you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose skills complement yours. 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In turn someone may realize that this is the organization they have been looking for. 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved. 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you observe actively participating in events and projects associated with our organization. 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and objectives. Seek to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and abilities in the most effective and efficient manner. 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask a president or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to learn about useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, awards, and upcoming projects and events. 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with others sharing common interests, such as your prior or current occupation, hobbies, health concerns and so much more. 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our organization. 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming familiar with officer titles and duties. 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference calls with the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group calls. 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and our national organization. You may locate information on the web site that you didn't think of inquiring about. 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do the same. The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization that is continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 20:43:08 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:43:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Research with Bookshare Books Message-ID: I was checking out the Bookshare Blog today, and came across a great three-part blog about researching using Bookshare books. I found the blogs very useful (I've got a research paper to do for History, ugh!) and thought I'd share it here. The first part can be found at: http://blog.bookshare.org/2011/07/27/research-over-the-summer%e2%80%a6-no-way-you-say/ To view the other two parts, click on the link Bookshare blog, then move by heading to the blogs. Hope this helps others! ~Jewel From missheather at comcast.net Thu Sep 1 21:09:22 2011 From: missheather at comcast.net (Heather Field) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:09:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> Chris, I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've established why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one doesn't know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated to get involved. A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a condition that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing the NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local level, but that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by either organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people can be best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate goals are achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush off and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an organisation actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, why you don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making a difference with the NFB in your local area. Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed up because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the occasional article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the two organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical issues. You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it means to be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by the myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities to change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It is the why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow members. Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them back. Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch of people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain annoying. Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. But, we don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move on.org would post press releases from the T party and encourage subscribers to try to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy doing the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are breaking copyright law. Regards, Heather Field If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state and local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you lifted the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been useful. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates Subject: [nabs-l] a great article Hi everyone, As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn about both. Here is the article. 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP by Kenneth Semien Sr. All too often, people join organizations without taking advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of its purpose, mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a lack of participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit what could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build great relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities that can make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to explore the meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below to assist you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose skills complement yours. 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In turn someone may realize that this is the organization they have been looking for. 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved. 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you observe actively participating in events and projects associated with our organization. 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and objectives. Seek to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and abilities in the most effective and efficient manner. 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask a president or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to learn about useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, awards, and upcoming projects and events. 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with others sharing common interests, such as your prior or current occupation, hobbies, health concerns and so much more. 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our organization. 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming familiar with officer titles and duties. 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference calls with the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group calls. 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and our national organization. You may locate information on the web site that you didn't think of inquiring about. 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do the same. The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization that is continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 21:14:04 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 17:14:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math in College: Symbols and Readers In-Reply-To: <4E5FE180.3090607@gmail.com> References: <4E5FE180.3090607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C49AC387FD64AB8B3B5809A70BAC6C6@Cptr233> I never just use readers. My school has been wonderful in brailling my college math textbooks. Yes I will use readers for tests, but not to just use to learn the material. I will use the same reader for tests, to scribe for the test. And I will work with the professor or someone else to describe the math symbols. For the charts, graphis, it is really best to have a Braille version. As far as homeowork, find a reader/scribe that will help write down your problems in print. As far as the professor is hard to understand, ask questions, ask questions. Ask for help outside of class, and get a tutor if need be. Math is a hard subject, its hard being a blind student taking math, but by no means is it impossible. Its going to take lots of hard work. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordyn Castor Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:48 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Math in College: Symbols and Readers Hey everyone, I've just started my first semester in college and I'm wondering about what advice you can give for math classes. Do most of you just use readers, and if so, what for? Second, how do write the symbols for the class like the Union symbol and Epsalon, and all that stuff? How do you draw graphs or do you describe them? What do you do when assignments or quizes have to be submitted electronically? How do you turn in your answers for tests and quizes and make them look presentable with the symbols drawn correctly and things like that? Have any of you had professors who you can barely understand and how do you deal with this? Do you have any other advice? Thanks for the help, Jordyn _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6428 (20110901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6428 (20110901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 23:34:21 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:34:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Math in College: Symbols and Readers Message-ID: <4e601681.4609440a.3ab3.06b5@mx.google.com> Thankfully, I never took college math away from human readers. Refer to the recent lawsuit of FSU, where the mathematics department gave two of my good blind friends a hard time. E-grade is coming of age, so to speak, so one thing I'd do is beware of online math stuff and talk with a professor about things such as Course Compass, E-grade, and so on, and if the software is something that has a strange name that doesn't seem to fit with JAWS's scripts, don't use it. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth" Message-ID: Hello, Please read my latest Live Well Nebraska.com blog column at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/09/01/frustration-with-perception s/ This week I blog about my frustrations with negative attitudes and perceptions about blindness. Thanks for the support. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 02:08:59 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:08:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my latest Live Well column In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e603afa.4760340a.2cd6.1c5a@mx.google.com> I like your blog post. Can I post it to my wall on facebook for others to read as well? Once a month I posta status asking my friends if they have any questions about blindness. I have to say that the feedback I have received has been wonderful. My sighted friends enjoy it when that status comes up because it is also educational for them as well and they are now getting used to asking questions about blindness they have. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:56 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my latest Live Well column Hello, Please read my latest Live Well Nebraska.com blog column at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/09/01/frustration-with-perception s/ This week I blog about my frustrations with negative attitudes and perceptions about blindness. Thanks for the support. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Fri Sep 2 06:15:24 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 02:15:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> Message-ID: Heather and Chris, A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a great article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every right to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their personal opinion on anything. Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing how they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this out there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he meant it has some basic introductory information that some people on this list will find useful and others wont. Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and hope you will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a lot of people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't think we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of the listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of friends and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love this for the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on a listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to and part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure about. I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but hopefully it gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a wonderful weekend, everyone. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field wrote: > Chris, > I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is > great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've established > why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to > achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one doesn't > know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated to get > involved. > > A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a condition > that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely > discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing the > NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local level, but > that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by either > organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people can be > best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate goals are > achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush off > and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an organisation > actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. > > I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring > through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, why you > don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making a > difference with the NFB in your local area. > > Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed up > because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their > decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the occasional > article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the two > organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical issues. > You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do > lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it means to > be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by the > myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities to > change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It is the > why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow members. > Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them back. > Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. > > I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch of > people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain annoying. > Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. But, we > don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. > > Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage subscribers to try > to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy doing > the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the > organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing > nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. > By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are > breaking copyright law. > > Regards, > Heather Field > > If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state and > local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you lifted > the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been useful. > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM > To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates > Subject: [nabs-l] a great article > > Hi everyone, > > As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have > subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. > The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication > and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a > great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize > your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take > advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has > to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to > NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good > advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some > parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any > thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down > your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to > learn about both. Here is the article. > > 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP > by Kenneth Semien Sr. > All too often, people join organizations without taking > advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of > its purpose, > mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a > lack of > participation and could ultimately result in a decision to > forfeit what > could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build > great > relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities > that can > make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to > explore the > meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below > to assist > you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose > skills > complement yours. > 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. > 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by > reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In > turn > someone may realize that this is the organization they have been > looking > for. > 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get > involved. > 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with > them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you > observe > actively participating in events and projects associated with our > organization. > 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your > chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. > 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state > affiliate > and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. > 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve > on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and > objectives. Seek > to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and > abilities in > the most effective and efficient manner. > 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date > news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask > a president > or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. > 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by > our > organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to > learn about > useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, > awards, and > upcoming projects and events. > 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal > needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with > others > sharing common interests, such as your prior or current > occupation, hobbies, > health concerns and so much more. > 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to > learn > of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our > organization. > 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming > familiar with officer titles and duties. > 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, > such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference > calls with > the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group > calls. > 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and > our national organization. You may locate information on the web > site that > you didn't think of inquiring about. > 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do > the same. > The more you know and the more you become involved, the more > you > will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization > that is > continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > missheather%40comcast.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Sep 2 10:01:37 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 05:01:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: LevelStar Orion 18 questions? 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Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 15:29:35 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:29:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> Message-ID: Hey all, It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have those. Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any established organized movement. Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun with the list. Cheers, Kirt On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: > Heather and Chris, > A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a great > article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every right > to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their personal > opinion on anything. > > Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing how > they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this out > there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he meant > it has some basic introductory information that some people on this list > will find useful and others wont. > > Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and hope you > will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a lot of > people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't think > we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain > listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". > > What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of the > listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of friends > and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love this for > the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the > responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on a > listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to and > part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop > rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure about. > > I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but hopefully it > gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a wonderful > weekend, everyone. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field > wrote: > >> Chris, >> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is >> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've established >> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to >> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one >> doesn't >> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated to >> get >> involved. >> >> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a condition >> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely >> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing the >> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local level, >> but >> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by >> either >> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people can be >> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate goals >> are >> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush off >> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an organisation >> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. >> >> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring >> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, why >> you >> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making a >> difference with the NFB in your local area. >> >> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed up >> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their >> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the occasional >> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the two >> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical issues. >> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do >> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it means >> to >> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by the >> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities to >> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It is >> the >> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow >> members. >> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them back. >> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. >> >> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch of >> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain >> annoying. >> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. But, we >> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. >> >> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move >> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage subscribers >> to try >> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy doing >> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the >> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing >> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. >> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are >> breaking copyright law. >> >> Regards, >> Heather Field >> >> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state and >> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you lifted >> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been useful. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM >> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates >> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have >> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. >> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication >> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a >> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize >> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take >> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has >> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to >> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good >> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some >> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any >> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down >> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to >> learn about both. Here is the article. >> >> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP >> by Kenneth Semien Sr. >> All too often, people join organizations without taking >> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of >> its purpose, >> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a >> lack of >> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to >> forfeit what >> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build >> great >> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities >> that can >> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to >> explore the >> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below >> to assist >> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose >> skills >> complement yours. >> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. >> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by >> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In >> turn >> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been >> looking >> for. >> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get >> involved. >> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with >> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you >> observe >> actively participating in events and projects associated with our >> organization. >> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your >> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. >> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state >> affiliate >> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. >> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve >> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and >> objectives. Seek >> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and >> abilities in >> the most effective and efficient manner. >> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date >> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask >> a president >> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. >> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by >> our >> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to >> learn about >> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, >> awards, and >> upcoming projects and events. >> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal >> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with >> others >> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current >> occupation, hobbies, >> health concerns and so much more. >> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to >> learn >> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our >> organization. >> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming >> familiar with officer titles and duties. >> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, >> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference >> calls with >> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group >> calls. >> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and >> our national organization. You may locate information on the web >> site that >> you didn't think of inquiring about. >> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do >> the same. >> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more >> you >> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization >> that is >> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> missheather%40comcast.net >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From singingmywayin at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 18:23:44 2011 From: singingmywayin at gmail.com (Danielle Antoine) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 13:23:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Math Tips Message-ID: Hi Jordan, I use Braille when it comes to math. Math problems are read by a reader and it is important to find someone familiar with the symbols and who will read the problems as written. As far as tests and quizzes, I would Braille out my work then have someone transcribe it to print for me. Usually, the DSS office staff will do that. You tell them what you wrote and they in turn write it out for you. My tests were recorded on tape as well. As far as graphs, some SSD offices have drawing kits and can draw out the representations for you to get a feel for how they look but when it comes to assignments most students I know including myself will tell the transcriber how to draw the graphs. That has been my experience. HTH! Danie P.S. Feel fre to ask for more clarification From dandrews at visi.com Fri Sep 2 19:48:43 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 14:48:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: ILR ONLINE - A Conversation with Kathleen Martinez, U.S. Dept. of Labor Message-ID: > > Red Advancing the World with White Letters >4d62ec/library/Red%20Advancing%20the%20World%20with%20White%20Letters%204.jpg> > >ILR ONLINE - SAVE THE DATE > > >ILR on Policy: A Conversation with Kathleen Martinez > >Assistant Secretary of Labor for Disability Employment Policy > >U.S. Department of Labor, Office of Disability Employment Policy (ODEP) > > >Webcast Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 > >Time: 12:00 - 1:00 p.m. (EST) > >This webcast is free of charge. > > >ILR welcomes Assistant Secretary Martinez in October - National Disability >Employment Awareness Month - for timely discussion of a wide range of topics >including: > >* the current state of employment for people with disabilities, and >the importance of providing opportunities for people with disabilities to >U.S. business and the economy > >* President Obama’s initiative to increase employment of people with >disabilities in the federal sector and its broader impact > >* insight and advice on what your organization can do to advance >efforts to support and employ people with disabilities > >The conversation is hosted by Susanne Bruyère, ILR associate dean of >outreach. 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Click here for system requirements >d9> > >Contact > >Lori Biechele >Cornell University ILR School >607-254-8941 >lb274 at cornell.edu > > > > >________________________________ > >If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message >with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following >link: Unsubscribe > >________________________________ > >Cornell University >309 Ives Hall >Ithaca, New York 14853 >US > > >Read the >VerticalResponse marketing policy. > >Try Email Marketing with VerticalResponse! > > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 21:29:26 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:29:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Arianna's Art, Inc. is in the Matilda Ziegler magazine for the blind! Message-ID: <4e614ac3.94dbe00a.40bd.08dc@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, Exciting news from Arianna's Art, Inc, our company which sells paintings for the blind and sighted. We have had an article published about us in the Matilda Ziegler magazine for the blind. Here is the link to check the article out! ?www.matildaziegler.com/2011/08/30/feature-writer-alena-roberts- tactile-art-for-all/ I hope you enjoy it! Chris P.S. Arianna, can you post this link to our Facebook page? Thanks! ,*RIS ,NUSBAUM 8,! R1L PRO#M ( BL;S IS N ! LOSS ( EYESI References: <4e614ac3.94dbe00a.40bd.08dc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54E48EFF-95B2-4EC9-BCBF-4B53DABB26DF@gmail.com> Chris, your signature looks weird, looks like it's in computer braille. Just fyi. Hth! Best, Josh Sent from my iPod Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Exciting news from Arianna's Art, Inc, our company which sells paintings for the blind and sighted. We have had an article published about us in the Matilda Ziegler magazine for the blind. Here is the link to check the article out! ?www.matildaziegler.com/2011/08/30/feature-writer-alena-roberts- > tactile-art-for-all/ > > I hope you enjoy it! > > Chris > > P.S. Arianna, can you post this link to our Facebook page? Thanks! > > ,*RIS ,NUSBAUM > > 8,! R1L PRO#M ( BL;S IS N ! LOSS ( EYESI > ,VISIT ! ,I ,C4,A4,N4 ,F.D,N ONL9E AT3 _+WWW.ICANFOUNDATION.INFO_: = > 9=M,N ON \R F.D,N & H[ X HELPS BL & VISU,Y > IMPAIR$ *N 9 ,,MD SAY 8,I C60 > > > ,S5T F MY ,BRL,NOTE > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 23:49:28 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 19:49:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Arianna's Art, Inc. is in the Matilda Ziegler magazine for the blind! In-Reply-To: <54E48EFF-95B2-4EC9-BCBF-4B53DABB26DF@gmail.com> References: <4e614ac3.94dbe00a.40bd.08dc@mx.google.com> <54E48EFF-95B2-4EC9-BCBF-4B53DABB26DF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Oh! I see that, now that I'm reading it using JAWS! Sorry about that. I think that happens when I paste a Web address from the clipboard to an email. It translates the link into computer Braille, but for some reason doesn't go back to grade 2 unless I tell it to, which I can't for something like a signature that's already in the email file. I typed the signature in Grade 2 Braille, and it worked. Maybe I should email something that requires me to copy and paste a Web address on my PC in the future. Does anybody know how to copy and paste from the address bar? Is it still control C for copy and control V for paste? Thanks, and sorry about that! P.S. Thanks for the compliment, Jeanette. Have you ordered any art yet? If not, and you're interested, please email ariannas.art at gmail.com! Chris On 9/2/11, Josh Gregory wrote: > Chris, your signature looks weird, looks like it's in computer braille. Just > fyi. Hth! > Best, Josh > > Sent from my iPod > > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > Skype: joshgregory93 > > On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Exciting news from Arianna's Art, Inc, our company which sells paintings >> for the blind and sighted. We have had an article published about us in >> the Matilda Ziegler magazine for the blind. Here is the link to check the >> article out! >> ?www.matildaziegler.com/2011/08/30/feature-writer-alena-roberts- >> tactile-art-for-all/ >> >> I hope you enjoy it! >> >> Chris >> >> P.S. Arianna, can you post this link to our Facebook page? Thanks! >> >> ,*RIS ,NUSBAUM >> >> 8,! R1L PRO#M ( BL;S IS N ! LOSS ( EYESI> LACK ( $UC,N T EXI/S4 ,IF A BL P]SON HAS ! PROP] TRA9+ & OPPORTUN;Y1 BL;S >> C BE REDUC$ 6A M]E PHYSICAL NUIS.E40 -- ,K5NE? ,J]NIGAN 7,PRESID5T (! >> ,N,NAL ,F$],N (! ,BL1 #AIFH-AIHF47 >> >> ,VISIT ! ,I ,C4,A4,N4 ,F.D,N ONL9E AT3 _+WWW.ICANFOUNDATION.INFO_: = >> 9=M,N ON \R F.D,N & H[ X HELPS BL & VISU,Y >> IMPAIR$ *N 9 ,,MD SAY 8,I C60 >> >> >> ,S5T F MY ,BRL,NOTE >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 23:58:30 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 19:58:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Arianna's Art, Inc. is in the Matilda Ziegler magazine for the blind! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e616de6.5358340a.2c4e.0fb5@mx.google.com> Yes it is. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chris nusbaum Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:49 PM To: Josh Gregory Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arianna's Art, Inc. is in the Matilda Ziegler magazine for the blind! Hi everyone, Oh! I see that, now that I'm reading it using JAWS! Sorry about that. I think that happens when I paste a Web address from the clipboard to an email. It translates the link into computer Braille, but for some reason doesn't go back to grade 2 unless I tell it to, which I can't for something like a signature that's already in the email file. I typed the signature in Grade 2 Braille, and it worked. Maybe I should email something that requires me to copy and paste a Web address on my PC in the future. Does anybody know how to copy and paste from the address bar? Is it still control C for copy and control V for paste? Thanks, and sorry about that! P.S. Thanks for the compliment, Jeanette. Have you ordered any art yet? If not, and you're interested, please email ariannas.art at gmail.com! Chris On 9/2/11, Josh Gregory wrote: > Chris, your signature looks weird, looks like it's in computer braille. Just > fyi. Hth! > Best, Josh > > Sent from my iPod > > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > Skype: joshgregory93 > > On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Exciting news from Arianna's Art, Inc, our company which sells paintings >> for the blind and sighted. We have had an article published about us in >> the Matilda Ziegler magazine for the blind. Here is the link to check the >> article out! >> ?www.matildaziegler.com/2011/08/30/feature-writer-alena-roberts- >> tactile-art-for-all/ >> >> I hope you enjoy it! >> >> Chris >> >> P.S. Arianna, can you post this link to our Facebook page? Thanks! >> >> ,*RIS ,NUSBAUM >> >> 8,! R1L PRO#M ( BL;S IS N ! LOSS ( EYESI> LACK ( $UC,N T EXI/S4 ,IF A BL P]SON HAS ! PROP] TRA9+ & OPPORTUN;Y1 BL;S >> C BE REDUC$ 6A M]E PHYSICAL NUIS.E40 -- ,K5NE? ,J]NIGAN 7,PRESID5T (! >> ,N,NAL ,F$],N (! ,BL1 #AIFH-AIHF47 >> >> ,VISIT ! ,I ,C4,A4,N4 ,F.D,N ONL9E AT3 _+WWW.ICANFOUNDATION.INFO_: = >> 9=M,N ON \R F.D,N & H[ X HELPS BL & VISU,Y >> IMPAIR$ *N 9 ,,MD SAY 8,I C60 >> >> >> ,S5T F MY ,BRL,NOTE >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 00:59:27 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 20:59:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> Message-ID: Hi Kirt, I'm sorry to hear that, and I understand your frustration. Hopefully our bipartisan list (I think you're still working on that with me, right) will aleviate some of your frustrations... I've got our mentors lined up, unless you and Jorge Paez have any more you've contacted. I just need to contact Sarah, our moderator, and see when she's ready to get it up and running. You can email me off list if you have any questions or updates about the list. Chris On 9/2/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Hey all, > It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except > there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all > these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking > controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me > much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have > those. > Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved > in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my > local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student > organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I > suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are > already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical > advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any > established organized movement. > Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people > get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion > contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, > but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that > really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. > I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see > something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think > it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun > with the list. > Cheers, > Kirt > > On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Heather and Chris, >> A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a great >> article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every >> right >> to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their >> personal >> opinion on anything. >> >> Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing how >> they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this out >> there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he >> meant >> it has some basic introductory information that some people on this list >> will find useful and others wont. >> >> Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and hope >> you >> will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a lot >> of >> people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't >> think >> we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain >> listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". >> >> What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of the >> listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of friends >> and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love this >> for >> the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the >> responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on a >> listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to and >> part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop >> rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure about. >> >> I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but hopefully >> it >> gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a wonderful >> weekend, everyone. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field >> wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is >>> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've established >>> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to >>> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one >>> doesn't >>> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated to >>> get >>> involved. >>> >>> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a condition >>> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely >>> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing the >>> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local level, >>> but >>> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by >>> either >>> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people can >>> be >>> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate goals >>> are >>> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush off >>> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an organisation >>> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. >>> >>> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring >>> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, why >>> you >>> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making a >>> difference with the NFB in your local area. >>> >>> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed up >>> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their >>> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the occasional >>> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the two >>> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical issues. >>> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do >>> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it means >>> to >>> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by >>> the >>> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities to >>> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It is >>> the >>> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow >>> members. >>> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them back. >>> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. >>> >>> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch of >>> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain >>> annoying. >>> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. But, >>> we >>> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. >>> >>> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move >>> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage >>> subscribers >>> to try >>> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy doing >>> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the >>> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing >>> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. >>> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are >>> breaking copyright law. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Heather Field >>> >>> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state and >>> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you >>> lifted >>> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been useful. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM >>> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates >>> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have >>> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. >>> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication >>> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a >>> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize >>> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take >>> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has >>> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to >>> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good >>> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some >>> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any >>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down >>> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to >>> learn about both. Here is the article. >>> >>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP >>> by Kenneth Semien Sr. >>> All too often, people join organizations without taking >>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of >>> its purpose, >>> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a >>> lack of >>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to >>> forfeit what >>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build >>> great >>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities >>> that can >>> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to >>> explore the >>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below >>> to assist >>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose >>> skills >>> complement yours. >>> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. >>> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by >>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In >>> turn >>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been >>> looking >>> for. >>> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get >>> involved. >>> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with >>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you >>> observe >>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our >>> organization. >>> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your >>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. >>> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state >>> affiliate >>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. >>> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve >>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and >>> objectives. Seek >>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and >>> abilities in >>> the most effective and efficient manner. >>> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date >>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask >>> a president >>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. >>> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by >>> our >>> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to >>> learn about >>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, >>> awards, and >>> upcoming projects and events. >>> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal >>> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with >>> others >>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current >>> occupation, hobbies, >>> health concerns and so much more. >>> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to >>> learn >>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our >>> organization. >>> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming >>> familiar with officer titles and duties. >>> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, >>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference >>> calls with >>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group >>> calls. >>> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and >>> our national organization. You may locate information on the web >>> site that >>> you didn't think of inquiring about. >>> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do >>> the same. >>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more >>> you >>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization >>> that is >>> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> missheather%40comcast.net >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sat Sep 3 07:43:00 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 02:43:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Read my latest Live Well column In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rania, Yes, you can definitely post this link to your Facebook page and wall. Every other Thursday is when my blog posts, and I usually send notices out, such as this one, so please feel free to post to your Facebook wall. Should you post elsewhere, just cite that it came from Live Well Nebraska.com. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:08:59 -0400 From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Please read my latest Live Well column Message-ID: <4e603afa.4760340a.2cd6.1c5a at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I like your blog post. Can I post it to my wall on facebook for others to read as well? Once a month I posta status asking my friends if they have any questions about blindness. I have to say that the feedback I have received has been wonderful. My sighted friends enjoy it when that status comes up because it is also educational for them as well and they are now getting used to asking questions about blindness they have. Rania, From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 15:31:35 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:31:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Read my latest Live Well column In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e624898.c160340a.2835.289f@mx.google.com> Thank you so much! Posts like your blog post help to create a great thread on different issues of blindness for my sighted friends to learn from! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 3:43 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Read my latest Live Well column Rania, Yes, you can definitely post this link to your Facebook page and wall. Every other Thursday is when my blog posts, and I usually send notices out, such as this one, so please feel free to post to your Facebook wall. Should you post elsewhere, just cite that it came from Live Well Nebraska.com. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:08:59 -0400 From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Please read my latest Live Well column Message-ID: <4e603afa.4760340a.2cd6.1c5a at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I like your blog post. Can I post it to my wall on facebook for others to read as well? Once a month I posta status asking my friends if they have any questions about blindness. I have to say that the feedback I have received has been wonderful. My sighted friends enjoy it when that status comes up because it is also educational for them as well and they are now getting used to asking questions about blindness they have. Rania, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 21:53:24 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 17:53:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac Message-ID: Hi Everyone! I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide together. While going through this she did let me play a little with the mac. I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had some questions befoore making a final decision. What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I have listened to her use it while she has done research for her homework. Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the internet. How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots of flash, and have lots of links/headings? If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the air? I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. Kerri From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 01:59:07 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 21:59:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] configuring Outlook for existing Gmail account Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have a question. I'm trying to configure Outlook 2010 with my existing Gmail account, as I'm planning to use Outlook to access my email instead of Gmail's Web interface. How do I do this? I have JAWS 12 and Windows 7, with Microsoft Office 2010. Thanks! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From singingmywayin at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 02:19:13 2011 From: singingmywayin at gmail.com (Danielle Antoine) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 21:19:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Intro and A Question Message-ID: Hello all, I am Danielle and I currently attend classes online. I live in Jeanerette, LA and I know some of you from other lists. To the rest of you, I'm glad to make your acquaintance and hope to learn from you too. Question: I have a PayPal account but I want to make sure I know how to use it correctly. Can anyone explain the ins and outs of it? Also, are there any other online learners on hear? Danie From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 02:27:22 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:27:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Intro and A Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Danielle, Welcome to the list! I hope it servs as a great resource for you, as it has for me, and I'm sure you have some great things to contribute to us. Don't be afraid to ask any questions of us, silly as you think they may be. Are you new to the NFB as well as NABS and the list? If so, welcome to the NFB! Hope you'll like it here and learn all you can from all of us! We're glad to help! Chris On 9/3/11, Danielle Antoine wrote: > Hello all, > I am Danielle and I currently attend classes online. I live in > Jeanerette, LA and I know some of you from other lists. To the rest of > you, I'm glad to make your acquaintance and hope to learn from you > too. Question: I have a PayPal account but I want to make sure I know > how to use it correctly. Can anyone explain the ins and outs of it? > Also, are there any other online learners on hear? Danie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 02:32:17 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:32:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Intro and A Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e62e372.5358340a.2c4e.3ce6@mx.google.com> Hi Danielle! Nice to meet you! Welcome to the list! My name is Rania, As Chris said earlier don't be afraid to ask questions! This list is vary helpful! They helped me when I was in school as a student to become a massage therapist. While they didn't know about massage they were able to answer other questions I had as far as being a blind student goes! I look forward to posts from you in the near future! Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chris nusbaum Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 10:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Intro and A Question Hi Danielle, Welcome to the list! I hope it servs as a great resource for you, as it has for me, and I'm sure you have some great things to contribute to us. Don't be afraid to ask any questions of us, silly as you think they may be. Are you new to the NFB as well as NABS and the list? If so, welcome to the NFB! Hope you'll like it here and learn all you can from all of us! We're glad to help! Chris On 9/3/11, Danielle Antoine wrote: > Hello all, > I am Danielle and I currently attend classes online. I live in > Jeanerette, LA and I know some of you from other lists. To the rest of > you, I'm glad to make your acquaintance and hope to learn from you > too. Question: I have a PayPal account but I want to make sure I know > how to use it correctly. Can anyone explain the ins and outs of it? > Also, are there any other online learners on hear? Danie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From nbrav003 at fiu.edu Sun Sep 4 02:36:17 2011 From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:36:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FABS meeting reminder Message-ID: <7D260E7D-72C7-4021-A9AB-F2471FFA6BDA@fiu.edu> Good evening everyone, Just a quick reminder that FABS will be meeting tomorrow at 4:00 PM. We have a lot of fantastic projects in the works to discuss, so it would be great if you could attend. The dial-in number is: (209) 647-1000, and the participant access code is: 401665# Hope you are enjoying the weekend so far, and see you at the meeting! Sincerely, Nallym Bravo From hannahgf11 at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 04:22:53 2011 From: hannahgf11 at gmail.com (Hannah Furney) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 23:22:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Intro and A Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01cc6aba$515ca870$f415f950$@gmail.com> Hi Danielle, I am taking two classes this semester and one of them happens to be online. I am taking an English class that is in person at the college. My other class is about exploring different education careers and that is online. Thanks, Hannah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Antoine Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:19 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Intro and A Question Hello all, I am Danielle and I currently attend classes online. I live in Jeanerette, LA and I know some of you from other lists. To the rest of you, I'm glad to make your acquaintance and hope to learn from you too. Question: I have a PayPal account but I want to make sure I know how to use it correctly. Can anyone explain the ins and outs of it? Also, are there any other online learners on hear? Danie _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hannahgf11%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 16:33:23 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:33:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Blindtlk] ViewPoints radio show podcast In-Reply-To: <006901cc6bda$9c75cc30$d5616490$@info> References: <006901cc6bda$9c75cc30$d5616490$@info> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: BlueSkies11 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 10:46:33 -0400 Subject: [Blindtlk] ViewPoints radio show podcast To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org You might be interested to know about the radio show / podcast called ViewPoints. ViewPoints is a weekly, half hour show that focuses on a wide range of topics of interest to people with low vision. Topics have covered everything from daily living tips, to vacationing, to using advanced features of JAWS, obtaining free screen readers, working as a blind scientist, etc. The show is distributed by a number of public broadcasting reading services in the United States as well as the radio reading service in Canada. You can learn more about the show, find links to podcasts, archives and show notes, and more at the URL: www.ViewPointsPlus.net Enjoy! _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From djdan567 at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 18:45:56 2011 From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 14:45:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music Message-ID: I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. My Twitter page for my music updates is http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >From time to time, I update my youtube page. Check out and subscribe at http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it out here, and let me know what you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in touch!Thank you!!! -- Daniel C Romero Paterson New Jersey Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 MSN messenger/E-mail: djdan567 at gmail.com Aim: RadioDJ246 Skype: radiodj246 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 18:48:44 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 14:48:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan, contact mee off list at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com for a possible interview and promotion on my radio station. On 9/5/11, Daniel Romero wrote: > I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I > just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive > feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been > doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a > good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. > My Twitter page for my music updates is > > http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic > From time to time, I update my youtube page. > Check out and subscribe at > http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic > > And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the > latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it > out here, and let me know what you think? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk > > I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. > I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing > what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of > you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in > touch!Thank you!!! > > > > > > > > -- > Daniel C Romero > Paterson New Jersey > Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 > MSN messenger/E-mail: > djdan567 at gmail.com > Aim: RadioDJ246 > Skype: radiodj246 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 > Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 5 19:07:29 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 14:07:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Daniel, you have a great voice, but it's not my style of music. Blessings, Joshua On 9/5/11, David Dunphy wrote: > Dan, contact mee off list at > djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > for a possible interview and promotion on my radio station. > > On 9/5/11, Daniel Romero wrote: >> I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I >> just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive >> feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been >> doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a >> good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. >> My Twitter page for my music updates is >> >> http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >> From time to time, I update my youtube page. >> Check out and subscribe at >> http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic >> >> And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the >> latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it >> out here, and let me know what you think? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk >> >> I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. >> I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing >> what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of >> you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in >> touch!Thank you!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Daniel C Romero >> Paterson New Jersey >> Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 >> MSN messenger/E-mail: >> djdan567 at gmail.com >> Aim: RadioDJ246 >> Skype: radiodj246 >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 >> Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From djdan567 at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 19:18:42 2011 From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 15:18:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks so much for the honesty Josh. At least you gave it a listen. I really appreciate that! Thank you! On 9/5/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Daniel, you have a great voice, but it's not my style of music. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/5/11, David Dunphy wrote: >> Dan, contact mee off list at >> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >> for a possible interview and promotion on my radio station. >> >> On 9/5/11, Daniel Romero wrote: >>> I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I >>> just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive >>> feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been >>> doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a >>> good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. >>> My Twitter page for my music updates is >>> >>> http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >>> From time to time, I update my youtube page. >>> Check out and subscribe at >>> http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic >>> >>> And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the >>> latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it >>> out here, and let me know what you think? >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk >>> >>> I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. >>> I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing >>> what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of >>> you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in >>> touch!Thank you!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel C Romero >>> Paterson New Jersey >>> Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 >>> MSN messenger/E-mail: >>> djdan567 at gmail.com >>> Aim: RadioDJ246 >>> Skype: radiodj246 >>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 >>> Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdan567%40gmail.com > -- Daniel C Romero Paterson New Jersey Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 MSN messenger/E-mail: djdan567 at gmail.com Aim: RadioDJ246 Skype: radiodj246 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic From dandrews at visi.com Mon Sep 5 19:20:47 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:20:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] configuring Outlook for existing Gmail account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are instructions on gmail to interface with various e-mail clients. Look around or search and you will find them. Dave At 08:59 PM 9/3/2011, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I have a question. I'm trying to configure Outlook 2010 with my >existing Gmail account, as I'm planning to use Outlook to access my >email instead of Gmail's Web interface. How do I do this? I have JAWS >12 and Windows 7, with Microsoft Office 2010. Thanks! > >Chris >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 20:42:17 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 13:42:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53C6EAA392CD47858B2BEA1A53DB677C@HumbertoAvila> Hello, This is not on-topic for this list. This is a student mailing list, and it is only for discussing student issues, and other important stuff about students that go to school. You might want to join the music talk list. Send an email to musictlk-request at nfbnet.org with the word "subscrive" then reply to the confirmation code email that you will get. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Romero Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:46 AM To: musictlk; New Jersey Association of Blind Students; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. My Twitter page for my music updates is http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >From time to time, I update my youtube page. Check out and subscribe at http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it out here, and let me know what you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in touch!Thank you!!! -- Daniel C Romero Paterson New Jersey Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 MSN messenger/E-mail: djdan567 at gmail.com Aim: RadioDJ246 Skype: radiodj246 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 20:59:34 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 13:59:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents: The ABC's of nabs Reps. Message-ID: Hello Fellow Students:     We, the NABS Membership Committee, would like to take this time to introduce to you the topic for September’s Membership call: The ABC’s of NABS Reps!     “What exactly is a NABS rep and what do they do?”     “Why request to have a NABS rep at my student division meeting at state convention or another such student event?”     “Okay, so I have decided that I want a rep to come, how do I go about requesting one?”     If you have asked yourself any or all of the above questions or others like it from time to time, than this call is for you! Many states are having their conventions around this time, and so timing could not be any better! (We think so, anyway!). What: The ABC’s of NABS Reps When: Sunday, September 11, 7:00 PM Eastern. Where: The NABS conference line: (712) 775-7100, access code 257963.     Please consider joining what we hope to be a very informative call. Respectfully, The NABS Membership Committee -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 5 23:37:12 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:37:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com><69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> Message-ID: <7C27A39645924E6296246CBA1634DB2B@OwnerPC> , I hope you'll stay; sometimes I'm frustrated by arguing, but I just hit the delete key then. For spam I ignore it. To me, this list has been one of the best resources. As to the article, it had some good tips, but they were generic, still I did not mind him sharing it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Manwaring Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:29 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article Hey all, It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have those. Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any established organized movement. Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun with the list. Cheers, Kirt On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: > Heather and Chris, > A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a great > article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every > right > to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their > personal > opinion on anything. > > Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing how > they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this out > there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he > meant > it has some basic introductory information that some people on this list > will find useful and others wont. > > Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and hope > you > will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a lot > of > people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't > think > we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain > listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". > > What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of the > listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of friends > and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love this > for > the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the > responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on a > listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to and > part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop > rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure about. > > I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but hopefully > it > gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a wonderful > weekend, everyone. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field > wrote: > >> Chris, >> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is >> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've established >> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to >> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one >> doesn't >> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated to >> get >> involved. >> >> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a condition >> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely >> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing the >> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local level, >> but >> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by >> either >> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people can >> be >> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate goals >> are >> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush off >> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an organisation >> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. >> >> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring >> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, why >> you >> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making a >> difference with the NFB in your local area. >> >> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed up >> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their >> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the occasional >> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the two >> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical issues. >> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do >> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it means >> to >> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by >> the >> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities to >> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It is >> the >> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow >> members. >> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them back. >> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. >> >> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch of >> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain >> annoying. >> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. But, >> we >> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. >> >> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move >> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage >> subscribers >> to try >> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy doing >> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the >> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing >> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. >> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are >> breaking copyright law. >> >> Regards, >> Heather Field >> >> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state and >> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you >> lifted >> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been useful. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM >> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates >> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have >> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. >> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication >> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a >> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize >> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take >> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has >> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to >> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good >> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some >> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any >> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down >> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to >> learn about both. Here is the article. >> >> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP >> by Kenneth Semien Sr. >> All too often, people join organizations without taking >> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of >> its purpose, >> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a >> lack of >> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to >> forfeit what >> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build >> great >> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities >> that can >> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to >> explore the >> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below >> to assist >> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose >> skills >> complement yours. >> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. >> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by >> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In >> turn >> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been >> looking >> for. >> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get >> involved. >> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with >> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you >> observe >> actively participating in events and projects associated with our >> organization. >> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your >> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. >> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state >> affiliate >> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. >> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve >> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and >> objectives. Seek >> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and >> abilities in >> the most effective and efficient manner. >> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date >> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask >> a president >> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. >> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by >> our >> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to >> learn about >> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, >> awards, and >> upcoming projects and events. >> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal >> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with >> others >> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current >> occupation, hobbies, >> health concerns and so much more. >> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to >> learn >> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our >> organization. >> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming >> familiar with officer titles and duties. >> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, >> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference >> calls with >> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group >> calls. >> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and >> our national organization. You may locate information on the web >> site that >> you didn't think of inquiring about. >> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do >> the same. >> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more >> you >> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization >> that is >> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> missheather%40comcast.net >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 5 23:39:48 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:39:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] configuring Outlook for existing Gmail account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AD0BF9192F54E349AFC78A5960C3B5E@OwnerPC> I think Gmail might have instructions. If not, call gmail's tech support. Outlook is a good user friendly program. Its probably not hard to do. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] configuring Outlook for existing Gmail account Hi everyone, I have a question. I'm trying to configure Outlook 2010 with my existing Gmail account, as I'm planning to use Outlook to access my email instead of Gmail's Web interface. How do I do this? I have JAWS 12 and Windows 7, with Microsoft Office 2010. Thanks! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Sep 6 00:34:57 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:34:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: <53C6EAA392CD47858B2BEA1A53DB677C@HumbertoAvila> References: <53C6EAA392CD47858B2BEA1A53DB677C@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: He sent it to both lists, by accident. I couldn't reply to the music list, so I did it, through here. Daniel, would you be interested in recording more of a country album? Blessings, Joshua On 9/5/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > > This is not on-topic for this list. This is a student mailing list, and it > is only for discussing student issues, and other important stuff about > students that go to school. You might want to join the music talk list. > Send an email to musictlk-request at nfbnet.org with the word "subscrive" then > reply to the confirmation code email that you will get. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Daniel Romero > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:46 AM > To: musictlk; New Jersey Association of Blind Students; National Association > of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music > > I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I > just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive > feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been > doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a > good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. > My Twitter page for my music updates is > > http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic > From time to time, I update my youtube page. > Check out and subscribe at > http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic > > And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the > latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it > out here, and let me know what you think? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk > > I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. > I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing > what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of > you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in > touch!Thank you!!! > > > > > > > > -- > Daniel C Romero > Paterson New Jersey > Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 > MSN messenger/E-mail: > djdan567 at gmail.com > Aim: RadioDJ246 > Skype: radiodj246 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 > Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 01:19:08 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 19:19:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: <7C27A39645924E6296246CBA1634DB2B@OwnerPC> References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> <7C27A39645924E6296246CBA1634DB2B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, I didn't really mind him sharing it, either. I'll stay, kind of. Every once in a while, something comes up that makes all the silly back and forth rhetoric actually worth it. But only every once in a while, so I'll only be on here every now and again. Take care, Kirt On 9/5/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > , > I hope you'll stay; sometimes I'm frustrated by arguing, but I just hit the > delete key then. For spam I ignore it. > To me, this list has been one of the best resources. As to the article, it > had some good tips, but they were > generic, still I did not mind him sharing it. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:29 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article > > Hey all, > It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except > there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all > these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking > controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me > much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have > those. > Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved > in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my > local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student > organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I > suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are > already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical > advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any > established organized movement. > Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people > get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion > contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, > but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that > really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. > I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see > something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think > it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun > with the list. > Cheers, > Kirt > > On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Heather and Chris, >> A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a great >> article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every >> right >> to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their >> personal >> opinion on anything. >> >> Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing how >> they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this out >> there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he >> meant >> it has some basic introductory information that some people on this list >> will find useful and others wont. >> >> Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and hope >> you >> will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a lot >> of >> people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't >> think >> we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain >> listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". >> >> What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of the >> listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of friends >> and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love this >> for >> the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the >> responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on a >> listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to and >> part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop >> rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure about. >> >> I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but hopefully >> it >> gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a wonderful >> weekend, everyone. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field >> wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is >>> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've established >>> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to >>> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one >>> doesn't >>> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated to >>> get >>> involved. >>> >>> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a condition >>> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely >>> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing the >>> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local level, >>> but >>> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by >>> either >>> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people can >>> be >>> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate goals >>> are >>> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush off >>> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an organisation >>> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. >>> >>> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring >>> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, why >>> you >>> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making a >>> difference with the NFB in your local area. >>> >>> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed up >>> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their >>> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the occasional >>> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the two >>> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical issues. >>> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do >>> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it means >>> to >>> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by >>> the >>> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities to >>> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It is >>> the >>> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow >>> members. >>> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them back. >>> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. >>> >>> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch of >>> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain >>> annoying. >>> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. But, >>> we >>> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. >>> >>> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move >>> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage >>> subscribers >>> to try >>> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy doing >>> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the >>> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing >>> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. >>> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are >>> breaking copyright law. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Heather Field >>> >>> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state and >>> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you >>> lifted >>> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been useful. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM >>> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates >>> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have >>> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. >>> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication >>> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a >>> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize >>> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take >>> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has >>> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to >>> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good >>> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some >>> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any >>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down >>> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to >>> learn about both. Here is the article. >>> >>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP >>> by Kenneth Semien Sr. >>> All too often, people join organizations without taking >>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of >>> its purpose, >>> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a >>> lack of >>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to >>> forfeit what >>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build >>> great >>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities >>> that can >>> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to >>> explore the >>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below >>> to assist >>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose >>> skills >>> complement yours. >>> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. >>> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by >>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In >>> turn >>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been >>> looking >>> for. >>> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get >>> involved. >>> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with >>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you >>> observe >>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our >>> organization. >>> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your >>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. >>> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state >>> affiliate >>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. >>> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve >>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and >>> objectives. Seek >>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and >>> abilities in >>> the most effective and efficient manner. >>> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date >>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask >>> a president >>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. >>> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by >>> our >>> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to >>> learn about >>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, >>> awards, and >>> upcoming projects and events. >>> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal >>> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with >>> others >>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current >>> occupation, hobbies, >>> health concerns and so much more. >>> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to >>> learn >>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our >>> organization. >>> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming >>> familiar with officer titles and duties. >>> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, >>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference >>> calls with >>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group >>> calls. >>> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and >>> our national organization. You may locate information on the web >>> site that >>> you didn't think of inquiring about. >>> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do >>> the same. >>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more >>> you >>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization >>> that is >>> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> missheather%40comcast.net >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From kat.bottner at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 01:22:00 2011 From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kat Bottner) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:22:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Daniel, Wow, that was just simply amazing, even though it's not my cup of tea in the taste of music, I was blown away by the arrangement. I can't wait to hear more of your pieces, and wish you nothing but success. Take Care, Kat -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Romero Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:46 PM To: musictlk; New Jersey Association of Blind Students; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. My Twitter page for my music updates is http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >From time to time, I update my youtube page. Check out and subscribe at http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it out here, and let me know what you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in touch!Thank you!!! -- Daniel C Romero Paterson New Jersey Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 MSN messenger/E-mail: djdan567 at gmail.com Aim: RadioDJ246 Skype: radiodj246 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 01:29:14 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:29:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: <53C6EAA392CD47858B2BEA1A53DB677C@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Hi Daniel, While it isn't my style (I like Josh's style,) I have an open mind and listen to a lot of different kinds of music. Love the song! You must know a lot about audio, as it sounds like it was professionally recorded, and a song that you would hear on the radio! I hope you can get something arranged with Dave Dunphy, as I think this is the type of music a lot of us Audio Access Radio (David's station) listeners would want to hear. Humberto, while I talk a lot about staying on topic, let's give him a break for now. I think it's great for a person to promote his/her tallents wherever he/she can, and this is a great place to get those tallents out to other blind people. I posted a couple messages here promoting Arianna's Art, the business for the blind and sighted that I act as the marketing manager of, until we got our Google Group and Facebook page where we could post announcements. I think you get my point. Chris On 9/5/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > He sent it to both lists, by accident. > I couldn't reply to the music list, so I did it, through here. > Daniel, would you be interested in recording more of a country album? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/5/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> Hello, >> >> This is not on-topic for this list. This is a student mailing list, and it >> is only for discussing student issues, and other important stuff about >> students that go to school. You might want to join the music talk list. >> Send an email to musictlk-request at nfbnet.org with the word "subscrive" >> then >> reply to the confirmation code email that you will get. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Daniel Romero >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:46 AM >> To: musictlk; New Jersey Association of Blind Students; National >> Association >> of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music >> >> I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I >> just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive >> feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been >> doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a >> good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. >> My Twitter page for my music updates is >> >> http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >> From time to time, I update my youtube page. >> Check out and subscribe at >> http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic >> >> And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the >> latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it >> out here, and let me know what you think? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk >> >> I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. >> I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing >> what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of >> you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in >> touch!Thank you!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Daniel C Romero >> Paterson New Jersey >> Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 >> MSN messenger/E-mail: >> djdan567 at gmail.com >> Aim: RadioDJ246 >> Skype: radiodj246 >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 >> Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Sep 6 01:47:57 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 20:47:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kat, you and Liz must be sisters. I'm glad to see relatives posting on the same list. This music, could be on topic for this list, because sadly, PCC lacks a music appreciation course. How can I get into a music course, without having to leave Arkansas? I'd like a corespondence course, if possible. Thanks, Joshua On 9/5/11, Kat Bottner wrote: > Hi Daniel, > Wow, that was just simply amazing, even though it's not my cup of tea in the > taste of music, I was blown away by the arrangement. > I can't wait to hear more of your pieces, and wish you nothing but success. > Take Care, > Kat > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Daniel Romero > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:46 PM > To: musictlk; New Jersey Association of Blind Students; National Association > of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music > > I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I > just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive > feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been > doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a > good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. > My Twitter page for my music updates is > > http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic > From time to time, I update my youtube page. > Check out and subscribe at > http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic > > And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the > latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it > out here, and let me know what you think? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk > > I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. > I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing > what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of > you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in > touch!Thank you!!! > > > > > > > > -- > Daniel C Romero > Paterson New Jersey > Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 > MSN messenger/E-mail: > djdan567 at gmail.com > Aim: RadioDJ246 > Skype: radiodj246 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 > Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From singingmywayin at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:25:52 2011 From: singingmywayin at gmail.com (Danielle Antoine) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 04:25:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks All for the Welcome! Message-ID: Hello everyone, Thanks very much for the warm and encouraging welcome. I won't hesitate to ask questions and I'm sure I'll have a lot. I'm glad to have folks to go to especially about blindness and low vision as most people don't understand the added challenges that comes with that. I also like and appreciate the positivity hear. rania, massage therapy sounds interesting and I'm wondering about some ways you do your job and what are some of the techniques and challenges you encountered in school and the outcome? Hannah, I think that's pretty neat that you do both traditional and online class simultaneously. Do you prefer one to the other? Yall have a great day. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Sep 6 09:34:52 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 04:34:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks All for the Welcome! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We need more Southerners on the list, (LOL.) Danielle, I would like to discuss school on this thread, as well. Do you know anything about compressed video classes? I'm taking Western Civ, like that, and I don't like it. I'd much rather have a live instructor. Blessings, Joshua On 9/6/11, Danielle Antoine wrote: > Hello everyone, > Thanks very much for the warm and encouraging welcome. I won't > hesitate to ask questions and I'm sure I'll have a lot. I'm glad to > have folks to go to especially about blindness and low vision as most > people don't understand the added challenges that comes with that. I > also like and appreciate the positivity hear. rania, massage therapy > sounds interesting and I'm wondering about some ways you do your job > and what are some of the techniques and challenges you encountered in > school and the outcome? Hannah, I think that's pretty neat that you do > both traditional and online class simultaneously. Do you prefer one to > the other? Yall have a great day. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 10:28:33 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 04:28:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype 5.5 connecting to FB wrong, HELP! Message-ID: <4e65f5de.6500e70a.5e36.005f@mx.google.com> Hey, Nabs-sters, I'm trying to connect my FB account to Skype, and I can't find the menu bar item that would allow me to do that. HELP! Otherwise, ... HELP! Beth From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 14:38:04 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:38:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks All for the Welcome! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e663091.0547340a.3042.0d28@mx.google.com> Hi Danielle,e-mail me off list so I can talk to you more about it. My e-mail address is raniaismail04 at gmail.com Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Antoine Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:26 AM To: nabs-L at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks All for the Welcome! Hello everyone, Thanks very much for the warm and encouraging welcome. I won't hesitate to ask questions and I'm sure I'll have a lot. I'm glad to have folks to go to especially about blindness and low vision as most people don't understand the added challenges that comes with that. I also like and appreciate the positivity hear. rania, massage therapy sounds interesting and I'm wondering about some ways you do your job and what are some of the techniques and challenges you encountered in school and the outcome? Hannah, I think that's pretty neat that you do both traditional and online class simultaneously. Do you prefer one to the other? Yall have a great day. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Tue Sep 6 20:04:43 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:04:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can we please stop determining what is and is not appropriate for this list? Let the listserve moderator handle this, and the rest of us can keep quiet on the pronouncements. I see plenty come across this list that many could deem inappropriate as they have nothing to do with school, and yet no one takes it upon themselves to declare those posts wrong for NABS. Dieting tips, whether to marry a blind person or not, how to work in visual-orientated jobs, advertisements about online radio shows, posts about blogs, debating if blindness is a culture and the endless chit-chat banter; technically these have nothing to do with school therefore, under your definition, making posts such as this, and similar, inappropriate for the NABS list. So whether you like something or not, find something appropriate or not, leave it to the moderator to call people out. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 13:42:17 -0700 From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music Message-ID: <53C6EAA392CD47858B2BEA1A53DB677C at HumbertoAvila> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, This is not on-topic for this list. This is a student mailing list, and it is only for discussing student issues, and other important stuff about students that go to school. You might want to join the music talk list. Send an email to musictlk-request at nfbnet.org with the word "subscrive" then reply to the confirmation code email that you will get. From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Tue Sep 6 20:13:16 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:13:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Daniel, You have a nice voice, and the recording was of a professional level. I will email you off-list with more specific comments, but you have a talent- keep it up. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 14:45:56 -0400 From: Daniel Romero To: musictlk , New Jersey Association of Blind Students , National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. My Twitter page for my music updates is http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >From time to time, I update my youtube page. Check out and subscribe at http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it out here, and let me know what you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in touch!Thank you!!! From daviddod at buffalo.edu Tue Sep 6 20:23:09 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:23:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We should also keep in mind that planning events for students is something that some of us students do and that colleges and universities have entire offices devoted to. A great deal of the events we do are related to entertainment. In my mind, this post to the listserv falls under the umbrella of student affairs. Thanks. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Can we please stop determining what is and is not appropriate for this > list? Let the listserve moderator handle this, and the rest of us can > keep quiet on the pronouncements. I see plenty come across this list > that many could deem inappropriate as they have nothing to do with > school, and yet no one takes it upon themselves to declare those posts > wrong for NABS. Dieting tips, whether to marry a blind person or not, > how to work in visual-orientated jobs, advertisements about online radio > shows, posts about blogs, debating if blindness is a culture and the > endless chit-chat banter; technically these have nothing to do with > school therefore, under your definition, making posts such as this, and > similar, inappropriate for the NABS list. So whether you like something > or not, find something appropriate or not, leave it to the moderator to > call people out. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 13:42:17 -0700 > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music > Message-ID: <53C6EAA392CD47858B2BEA1A53DB677C at HumbertoAvila> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > This is not on-topic for this list. This is a student mailing list, and > it > is only for discussing student issues, and other important stuff about > students that go to school. You might want to join the music talk list. > Send an email to musictlk-request at nfbnet.org with the word "subscrive" > then > reply to the confirmation code email that you will get. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 21:03:17 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:03:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype 5.5 connecting to FB wrong, HELP! In-Reply-To: <4e65f5de.6500e70a.5e36.005f@mx.google.com> References: <4e65f5de.6500e70a.5e36.005f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I did it by going to control 1, then tabbing down to facebook tab, pressing enter and then entering my facebook's user name and password in the window that came up. You could try to go to insert f8, arrow down to facebook tab, enter, etc.., or go to minue, arrow left or right to view, down to facebook tab, enter. one of these should take you to it. In the fewture if your wanting to get to your facebook tab, go to one of these ways then press enter and it should bring the list of people on your facebook up. Hope this helped. On 9/6/11, Beth wrote: > Hey, Nabs-sters, > I'm trying to connect my FB account to Skype, and I can't > find the menu bar item that would allow me to do that. > HELP! Otherwise, ... HELP! > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From djdan567 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 21:10:53 2011 From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:10:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bridgit, you are my new best friend! Lol I was going to say something but I held back and deleted that e-mail as soon as I saw it. I wanted to be civil and let someone else call him out on that. Thank you for your comments. Hope to hear from you soon! On 9/6/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Can we please stop determining what is and is not appropriate for this > list? Let the listserve moderator handle this, and the rest of us can > keep quiet on the pronouncements. I see plenty come across this list > that many could deem inappropriate as they have nothing to do with > school, and yet no one takes it upon themselves to declare those posts > wrong for NABS. Dieting tips, whether to marry a blind person or not, > how to work in visual-orientated jobs, advertisements about online radio > shows, posts about blogs, debating if blindness is a culture and the > endless chit-chat banter; technically these have nothing to do with > school therefore, under your definition, making posts such as this, and > similar, inappropriate for the NABS list. So whether you like something > or not, find something appropriate or not, leave it to the moderator to > call people out. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 13:42:17 -0700 > From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music > Message-ID: <53C6EAA392CD47858B2BEA1A53DB677C at HumbertoAvila> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > This is not on-topic for this list. This is a student mailing list, and > it > is only for discussing student issues, and other important stuff about > students that go to school. You might want to join the music talk list. > Send an email to musictlk-request at nfbnet.org with the word "subscrive" > then > reply to the confirmation code email that you will get. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdan567%40gmail.com > -- Daniel C Romero Paterson New Jersey Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 MSN messenger/E-mail: djdan567 at gmail.com Aim: RadioDJ246 Skype: radiodj246 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 6 21:49:47 2011 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (Tina Thomas) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:49:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01cc6cde$e648c510$b2da4f30$@net> Hello Daniel- You did an awesome job on this track. Keep up the great work. Also, if you don't mind, I would like to send your website link to a friend who is a musician. again great job. Tina -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Romero Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:46 AM To: musictlk; New Jersey Association of Blind Students; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. My Twitter page for my music updates is http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic >From time to time, I update my youtube page. Check out and subscribe at http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it out here, and let me know what you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in touch!Thank you!!! -- Daniel C Romero Paterson New Jersey Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 MSN messenger/E-mail: djdan567 at gmail.com Aim: RadioDJ246 Skype: radiodj246 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.net From djdan567 at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 22:21:40 2011 From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 18:21:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music In-Reply-To: <004b01cc6cde$e648c510$b2da4f30$@net> References: <004b01cc6cde$e648c510$b2da4f30$@net> Message-ID: I do not mind at all. Promotion is a beautiful thing. Thank you so much for your kind comments. They're really appreciated!!! On 9/6/11, Tina Thomas wrote: > Hello Daniel- You did an awesome job on this track. Keep up the great work. > Also, if you don't mind, I would like to send your website link to a friend > who is a musician. again great job. > Tina > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Daniel Romero > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:46 AM > To: musictlk; New Jersey Association of Blind Students; National Association > of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel Romero's Music > > I'm Daniel Romero, a blind keyboard player, singer and musician! I > just wanted to come by to promote some of my music and to receive > feedback on it. I do a lot of dance, pop and R&B music. I have been > doing this for about four to five years. I know audio quite well, a > good deal on recording, keyboards and music in general. > My Twitter page for my music updates is > > http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic > From time to time, I update my youtube page. > Check out and subscribe at > http://www.youtube.com/danrmusic > > And today I uploaded a video. It's the latest one and it is of the > latest original track I recorded called, "The Perfect One!" Check it > out here, and let me know what you think? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QxOuyOsWk > > I can't wait to hear the feedback. Please be as honest as you can be. > I love constructive critisism! Not only to I look foward in seeing > what you have to say, but I also look foward to working with some of > you musicians in the future! A calaberation would be nice. Keep in > touch!Thank you!!! > > > > > > > > -- > Daniel C Romero > Paterson New Jersey > Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 > MSN messenger/E-mail: > djdan567 at gmail.com > Aim: RadioDJ246 > Skype: radiodj246 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 > Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdan567%40gmail.com > -- Daniel C Romero Paterson New Jersey Cell Phone: 973-955-6955 MSN messenger/E-mail: djdan567 at gmail.com Aim: RadioDJ246 Skype: radiodj246 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567 Music Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/Dancrmusic From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 23:03:47 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:03:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbc-info] Listen and Learn How Blind People Get Jobs! 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Message-ID: <4e66a8f4.0c50650a.46ca.7d73@mx.google.com> Thanks, Lea. The trouble is that every time I go to Facebook tab, I see a xmpp thingy and it doesn't have the link to FB. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Lea williams wrote: Hey, Nabs-sters, I'm trying to connect my FB account to Skype, and I can't find the menu bar item that would allow me to do that. HELP! Otherwise, ... HELP! Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988 %40gmail.com -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 00:05:12 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:05:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> Hello, Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet with Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the introduction of single key navigation on websites finding links, headers etc is really quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to automatically interact with the HTML content when the page is loaded if you want to. As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but it won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all for you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you will be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without problems. Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably find yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also have the item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life easier. Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to navigate the internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs I've had much better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for example. As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the bigger 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, Macbook Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do ship with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes with a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love with the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air models have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an external one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive offered by Apple is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case and it never bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the processor to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This will make your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle future versions of the operating system a little better. Let me know if you have any more questions! IC On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and > whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my > netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the > voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide > together. While going through this she did let me play a little with > the mac. > > I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is > quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't > that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had > some questions befoore making a final decision. > > What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. > Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? > > I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I > have listened to her use it while she has done research for her > homework. > > Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text > of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and > then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the > internet. > > How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have > lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does > voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of > webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am > referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or > www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does > voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots > of flash, and have lots of links/headings? > > If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the > macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the > air? > > I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed > that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and > a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big > difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is > it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? > > Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 00:05:12 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:05:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> Hello, Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet with Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the introduction of single key navigation on websites finding links, headers etc is really quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to automatically interact with the HTML content when the page is loaded if you want to. As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but it won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all for you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you will be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without problems. Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably find yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also have the item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life easier. Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to navigate the internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs I've had much better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for example. As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the bigger 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, Macbook Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do ship with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes with a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love with the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air models have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an external one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive offered by Apple is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case and it never bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the processor to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This will make your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle future versions of the operating system a little better. Let me know if you have any more questions! IC On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and > whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my > netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the > voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide > together. While going through this she did let me play a little with > the mac. > > I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is > quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't > that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had > some questions befoore making a final decision. > > What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. > Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? > > I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I > have listened to her use it while she has done research for her > homework. > > Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text > of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and > then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the > internet. > > How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have > lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does > voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of > webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am > referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or > www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does > voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots > of flash, and have lots of links/headings? > > If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the > macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the > air? > > I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed > that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and > a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big > difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is > it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? > > Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 03:31:54 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:31:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> <7C27A39645924E6296246CBA1634DB2B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi all, Chris, I'm glad you decided to share this article. While I didn't find anything in it particularly special either, I think we need to be careful not to reject a piece of writing or thought just because it happens to come from the ACB. It is true that ACB and NFB have taken different stances on some policy issues and that the two organizations have very different philosophies about leadership. However, when it comes down to it, ACB is made up of a bunch of blind folks just like us who have decided to join together to obtain support and collective advocacy. While I personally wouldn't join the ACB and prefer to stay with NFB, and I don't advocate having the two organizations unite because I think it's good for blind people to have a choice of organizations to join, I think we do owe the ACB folks some respect here. Furthermore, though many of the members of this list are already committed Federationists as Heather pointed out, some of us are still exploring what the two organizations have to offer. Please, let's not shoot down this exploration. I have been on this list for eleven years and one of the things I like best about it is that we are free to discuss our views on blindness and to examine and critique other people's ideas-even if we don't all agree with them or even if our personal views are unpopular. Stifling these thoughts and reflections is likely to do more harm than good, and, I fear, to make some folks reluctant to join us. When I was in this questioning stage myself, one of the things that pushed me to take the plunge and join NFB was the fact that I was encouraged to ask questions and to challenge NFB actions that I didn't fully understand. If we get too zealous about the superiority of NFB's views over other ways of thinking about blindness, we risk thwarting the development of some of our future leaders who are still deciding where NFB fits in their lives. Best, Arielle On 9/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Ashley, > I didn't really mind him sharing it, either. I'll stay, kind of. > Every once in a while, something comes up that makes all the silly > back and forth rhetoric actually worth it. But only every once in a > while, so I'll only be on here every now and again. > Take care, > Kirt > > On 9/5/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> , >> I hope you'll stay; sometimes I'm frustrated by arguing, but I just hit >> the >> delete key then. For spam I ignore it. >> To me, this list has been one of the best resources. As to the article, it >> had some good tips, but they were >> generic, still I did not mind him sharing it. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirt Manwaring >> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:29 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article >> >> Hey all, >> It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except >> there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all >> these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking >> controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me >> much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have >> those. >> Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved >> in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my >> local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student >> organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I >> suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are >> already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical >> advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any >> established organized movement. >> Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people >> get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion >> contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, >> but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that >> really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. >> I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see >> something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think >> it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun >> with the list. >> Cheers, >> Kirt >> >> On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> Heather and Chris, >>> A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a great >>> article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every >>> right >>> to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their >>> personal >>> opinion on anything. >>> >>> Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing >>> how >>> they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this out >>> there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he >>> meant >>> it has some basic introductory information that some people on this list >>> will find useful and others wont. >>> >>> Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and hope >>> you >>> will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a lot >>> of >>> people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't >>> think >>> we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain >>> listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". >>> >>> What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of the >>> listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of friends >>> and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love this >>> for >>> the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the >>> responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on a >>> listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to and >>> part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop >>> rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure about. >>> >>> I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but hopefully >>> it >>> gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a wonderful >>> weekend, everyone. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Chris, >>>> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is >>>> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've >>>> established >>>> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to >>>> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one >>>> doesn't >>>> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated to >>>> get >>>> involved. >>>> >>>> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a >>>> condition >>>> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely >>>> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing the >>>> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local level, >>>> but >>>> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by >>>> either >>>> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people can >>>> be >>>> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate goals >>>> are >>>> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush >>>> off >>>> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an organisation >>>> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. >>>> >>>> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring >>>> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, why >>>> you >>>> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making a >>>> difference with the NFB in your local area. >>>> >>>> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed >>>> up >>>> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their >>>> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the >>>> occasional >>>> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the >>>> two >>>> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical issues. >>>> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do >>>> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it means >>>> to >>>> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by >>>> the >>>> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities >>>> to >>>> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It is >>>> the >>>> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow >>>> members. >>>> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them back. >>>> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. >>>> >>>> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch >>>> of >>>> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain >>>> annoying. >>>> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. But, >>>> we >>>> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. >>>> >>>> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move >>>> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage >>>> subscribers >>>> to try >>>> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy >>>> doing >>>> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the >>>> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing >>>> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. >>>> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are >>>> breaking copyright law. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Heather Field >>>> >>>> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state >>>> and >>>> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you >>>> lifted >>>> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been useful. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM >>>> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have >>>> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. >>>> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication >>>> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a >>>> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize >>>> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take >>>> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has >>>> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to >>>> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good >>>> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some >>>> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any >>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down >>>> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to >>>> learn about both. Here is the article. >>>> >>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP >>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr. >>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking >>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of >>>> its purpose, >>>> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a >>>> lack of >>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to >>>> forfeit what >>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build >>>> great >>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities >>>> that can >>>> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to >>>> explore the >>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below >>>> to assist >>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose >>>> skills >>>> complement yours. >>>> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. >>>> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by >>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In >>>> turn >>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been >>>> looking >>>> for. >>>> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get >>>> involved. >>>> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with >>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you >>>> observe >>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our >>>> organization. >>>> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your >>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. >>>> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state >>>> affiliate >>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. >>>> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve >>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and >>>> objectives. Seek >>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and >>>> abilities in >>>> the most effective and efficient manner. >>>> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date >>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask >>>> a president >>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. >>>> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by >>>> our >>>> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to >>>> learn about >>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, >>>> awards, and >>>> upcoming projects and events. >>>> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal >>>> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with >>>> others >>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current >>>> occupation, hobbies, >>>> health concerns and so much more. >>>> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to >>>> learn >>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our >>>> organization. >>>> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming >>>> familiar with officer titles and duties. >>>> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, >>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference >>>> calls with >>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group >>>> calls. >>>> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and >>>> our national organization. You may locate information on the web >>>> site that >>>> you didn't think of inquiring about. >>>> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do >>>> the same. >>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more >>>> you >>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization >>>> that is >>>> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> missheather%40comcast.net >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Sep 7 03:47:55 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 22:47:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> <7C27A39645924E6296246CBA1634DB2B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Arielle, it works both ways. If we respect them, they need to respect us. Terms like, "Tenbroek Machine," shouldn't be used to describe us, by that organization. I know, because I've observed that mess, from the outside, looking in. I'm thankful for the NFB, and we all need to respect one another. Blessings, Joshua On 9/6/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > Chris, I'm glad you decided to share this article. While I didn't find > anything in it particularly special either, I think we need to be > careful not to reject a piece of writing or thought just because it > happens to come from the ACB. It is true that ACB and NFB have taken > different stances on some policy issues and that the two organizations > have very different philosophies about leadership. However, when it > comes down to it, ACB is made up of a bunch of blind folks just like > us who have decided to join together to obtain support and collective > advocacy. While I personally wouldn't join the ACB and prefer to stay > with NFB, and I don't advocate having the two organizations unite > because I think it's good for blind people to have a choice of > organizations to join, I think we do owe the ACB folks some respect > here. > Furthermore, though many of the members of this list are already > committed Federationists as Heather pointed out, some of us are still > exploring what the two organizations have to offer. Please, let's not > shoot down this exploration. I have been on this list for eleven years > and one of the things I like best about it is that we are free to > discuss our views on blindness and to examine and critique other > people's ideas-even if we don't all agree with them or even if our > personal views are unpopular. Stifling these thoughts and reflections > is likely to do more harm than good, and, I fear, to make some folks > reluctant to join us. When I was in this questioning stage myself, one > of the things that pushed me to take the plunge and join NFB was the > fact that I was encouraged to ask questions and to challenge NFB > actions that I didn't fully understand. If we get too zealous about > the superiority of NFB's views over other ways of thinking about > blindness, we risk thwarting the development of some of our future > leaders who are still deciding where NFB fits in their lives. > Best, > Arielle > > On 9/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >> Ashley, >> I didn't really mind him sharing it, either. I'll stay, kind of. >> Every once in a while, something comes up that makes all the silly >> back and forth rhetoric actually worth it. But only every once in a >> while, so I'll only be on here every now and again. >> Take care, >> Kirt >> >> On 9/5/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> , >>> I hope you'll stay; sometimes I'm frustrated by arguing, but I just hit >>> the >>> delete key then. For spam I ignore it. >>> To me, this list has been one of the best resources. As to the article, >>> it >>> had some good tips, but they were >>> generic, still I did not mind him sharing it. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:29 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article >>> >>> Hey all, >>> It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except >>> there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all >>> these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking >>> controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me >>> much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have >>> those. >>> Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved >>> in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my >>> local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student >>> organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I >>> suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are >>> already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical >>> advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any >>> established organized movement. >>> Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people >>> get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion >>> contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, >>> but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that >>> really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. >>> I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see >>> something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think >>> it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun >>> with the list. >>> Cheers, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> Heather and Chris, >>>> A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a great >>>> article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every >>>> right >>>> to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their >>>> personal >>>> opinion on anything. >>>> >>>> Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing >>>> how >>>> they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this out >>>> there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he >>>> meant >>>> it has some basic introductory information that some people on this list >>>> will find useful and others wont. >>>> >>>> Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and hope >>>> you >>>> will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a lot >>>> of >>>> people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't >>>> think >>>> we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain >>>> listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". >>>> >>>> What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of >>>> the >>>> listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of >>>> friends >>>> and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love this >>>> for >>>> the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the >>>> responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on a >>>> listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to and >>>> part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop >>>> rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure about. >>>> >>>> I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but >>>> hopefully >>>> it >>>> gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a >>>> wonderful >>>> weekend, everyone. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is >>>>> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've >>>>> established >>>>> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to >>>>> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one >>>>> doesn't >>>>> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated to >>>>> get >>>>> involved. >>>>> >>>>> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a >>>>> condition >>>>> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely >>>>> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing >>>>> the >>>>> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local level, >>>>> but >>>>> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by >>>>> either >>>>> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people can >>>>> be >>>>> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate goals >>>>> are >>>>> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush >>>>> off >>>>> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an organisation >>>>> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. >>>>> >>>>> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring >>>>> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, >>>>> why >>>>> you >>>>> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making >>>>> a >>>>> difference with the NFB in your local area. >>>>> >>>>> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed >>>>> up >>>>> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their >>>>> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the >>>>> occasional >>>>> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the >>>>> two >>>>> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical >>>>> issues. >>>>> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do >>>>> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it >>>>> means >>>>> to >>>>> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by >>>>> the >>>>> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities >>>>> to >>>>> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It >>>>> is >>>>> the >>>>> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow >>>>> members. >>>>> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them back. >>>>> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch >>>>> of >>>>> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain >>>>> annoying. >>>>> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. But, >>>>> we >>>>> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. >>>>> >>>>> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move >>>>> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage >>>>> subscribers >>>>> to try >>>>> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy >>>>> doing >>>>> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the >>>>> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing >>>>> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. >>>>> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are >>>>> breaking copyright law. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Heather Field >>>>> >>>>> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state >>>>> and >>>>> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you >>>>> lifted >>>>> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been useful. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM >>>>> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have >>>>> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. >>>>> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication >>>>> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a >>>>> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize >>>>> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take >>>>> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has >>>>> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to >>>>> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good >>>>> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some >>>>> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any >>>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down >>>>> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to >>>>> learn about both. Here is the article. >>>>> >>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP >>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr. >>>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking >>>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of >>>>> its purpose, >>>>> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a >>>>> lack of >>>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to >>>>> forfeit what >>>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build >>>>> great >>>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities >>>>> that can >>>>> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to >>>>> explore the >>>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below >>>>> to assist >>>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose >>>>> skills >>>>> complement yours. >>>>> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. >>>>> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by >>>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In >>>>> turn >>>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been >>>>> looking >>>>> for. >>>>> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get >>>>> involved. >>>>> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with >>>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you >>>>> observe >>>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our >>>>> organization. >>>>> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your >>>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. >>>>> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state >>>>> affiliate >>>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. >>>>> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve >>>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and >>>>> objectives. Seek >>>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and >>>>> abilities in >>>>> the most effective and efficient manner. >>>>> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date >>>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask >>>>> a president >>>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. >>>>> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by >>>>> our >>>>> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to >>>>> learn about >>>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, >>>>> awards, and >>>>> upcoming projects and events. >>>>> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal >>>>> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with >>>>> others >>>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current >>>>> occupation, hobbies, >>>>> health concerns and so much more. >>>>> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to >>>>> learn >>>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our >>>>> organization. >>>>> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming >>>>> familiar with officer titles and duties. >>>>> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, >>>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference >>>>> calls with >>>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group >>>>> calls. >>>>> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and >>>>> our national organization. You may locate information on the web >>>>> site that >>>>> you didn't think of inquiring about. >>>>> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do >>>>> the same. >>>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more >>>>> you >>>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization >>>>> that is >>>>> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>> >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> missheather%40comcast.net >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 04:40:05 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 22:40:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> <7C27A39645924E6296246CBA1634DB2B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, I completely agree with you. I'm just saying we should take the high road. We can't control how they act, but we can control how we act. Best, Arielle On 9/6/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Arielle, it works both ways. > If we respect them, they need to respect us. > Terms like, "Tenbroek Machine," shouldn't be used to describe us, by > that organization. > I know, because I've observed that mess, from the outside, looking in. > I'm thankful for the NFB, and we all need to respect one another. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/6/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> Chris, I'm glad you decided to share this article. While I didn't find >> anything in it particularly special either, I think we need to be >> careful not to reject a piece of writing or thought just because it >> happens to come from the ACB. It is true that ACB and NFB have taken >> different stances on some policy issues and that the two organizations >> have very different philosophies about leadership. However, when it >> comes down to it, ACB is made up of a bunch of blind folks just like >> us who have decided to join together to obtain support and collective >> advocacy. While I personally wouldn't join the ACB and prefer to stay >> with NFB, and I don't advocate having the two organizations unite >> because I think it's good for blind people to have a choice of >> organizations to join, I think we do owe the ACB folks some respect >> here. >> Furthermore, though many of the members of this list are already >> committed Federationists as Heather pointed out, some of us are still >> exploring what the two organizations have to offer. Please, let's not >> shoot down this exploration. I have been on this list for eleven years >> and one of the things I like best about it is that we are free to >> discuss our views on blindness and to examine and critique other >> people's ideas-even if we don't all agree with them or even if our >> personal views are unpopular. Stifling these thoughts and reflections >> is likely to do more harm than good, and, I fear, to make some folks >> reluctant to join us. When I was in this questioning stage myself, one >> of the things that pushed me to take the plunge and join NFB was the >> fact that I was encouraged to ask questions and to challenge NFB >> actions that I didn't fully understand. If we get too zealous about >> the superiority of NFB's views over other ways of thinking about >> blindness, we risk thwarting the development of some of our future >> leaders who are still deciding where NFB fits in their lives. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 9/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>> Ashley, >>> I didn't really mind him sharing it, either. I'll stay, kind of. >>> Every once in a while, something comes up that makes all the silly >>> back and forth rhetoric actually worth it. But only every once in a >>> while, so I'll only be on here every now and again. >>> Take care, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 9/5/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> , >>>> I hope you'll stay; sometimes I'm frustrated by arguing, but I just hit >>>> the >>>> delete key then. For spam I ignore it. >>>> To me, this list has been one of the best resources. As to the article, >>>> it >>>> had some good tips, but they were >>>> generic, still I did not mind him sharing it. >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:29 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article >>>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except >>>> there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all >>>> these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking >>>> controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me >>>> much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have >>>> those. >>>> Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved >>>> in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my >>>> local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student >>>> organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I >>>> suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are >>>> already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical >>>> advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any >>>> established organized movement. >>>> Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people >>>> get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion >>>> contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, >>>> but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that >>>> really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. >>>> I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see >>>> something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think >>>> it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun >>>> with the list. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Kirt >>>> >>>> On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>>> Heather and Chris, >>>>> A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a great >>>>> article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every >>>>> right >>>>> to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their >>>>> personal >>>>> opinion on anything. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing >>>>> how >>>>> they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this >>>>> out >>>>> there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he >>>>> meant >>>>> it has some basic introductory information that some people on this >>>>> list >>>>> will find useful and others wont. >>>>> >>>>> Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and >>>>> hope >>>>> you >>>>> will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a >>>>> lot >>>>> of >>>>> people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't >>>>> think >>>>> we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain >>>>> listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". >>>>> >>>>> What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of >>>>> the >>>>> listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of >>>>> friends >>>>> and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love >>>>> this >>>>> for >>>>> the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the >>>>> responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on a >>>>> listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to >>>>> and >>>>> part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop >>>>> rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure >>>>> about. >>>>> >>>>> I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but >>>>> hopefully >>>>> it >>>>> gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a >>>>> wonderful >>>>> weekend, everyone. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>> David Dodge >>>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>>> English Major >>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chris, >>>>>> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is >>>>>> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've >>>>>> established >>>>>> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to >>>>>> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one >>>>>> doesn't >>>>>> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated >>>>>> to >>>>>> get >>>>>> involved. >>>>>> >>>>>> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a >>>>>> condition >>>>>> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely >>>>>> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing >>>>>> the >>>>>> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local >>>>>> level, >>>>>> but >>>>>> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by >>>>>> either >>>>>> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people >>>>>> can >>>>>> be >>>>>> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate >>>>>> goals >>>>>> are >>>>>> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush >>>>>> off >>>>>> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an >>>>>> organisation >>>>>> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. >>>>>> >>>>>> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring >>>>>> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, >>>>>> why >>>>>> you >>>>>> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making >>>>>> a >>>>>> difference with the NFB in your local area. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed >>>>>> up >>>>>> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their >>>>>> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the >>>>>> occasional >>>>>> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the >>>>>> two >>>>>> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical >>>>>> issues. >>>>>> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do >>>>>> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it >>>>>> means >>>>>> to >>>>>> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by >>>>>> the >>>>>> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities >>>>>> to >>>>>> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It >>>>>> is >>>>>> the >>>>>> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow >>>>>> members. >>>>>> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them >>>>>> back. >>>>>> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch >>>>>> of >>>>>> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain >>>>>> annoying. >>>>>> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. >>>>>> But, >>>>>> we >>>>>> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move >>>>>> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage >>>>>> subscribers >>>>>> to try >>>>>> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy >>>>>> doing >>>>>> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the >>>>>> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing >>>>>> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. >>>>>> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are >>>>>> breaking copyright law. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Heather Field >>>>>> >>>>>> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state >>>>>> and >>>>>> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you >>>>>> lifted >>>>>> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been >>>>>> useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM >>>>>> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have >>>>>> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. >>>>>> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication >>>>>> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a >>>>>> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize >>>>>> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take >>>>>> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has >>>>>> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to >>>>>> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good >>>>>> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some >>>>>> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any >>>>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down >>>>>> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to >>>>>> learn about both. Here is the article. >>>>>> >>>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP >>>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr. >>>>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking >>>>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of >>>>>> its purpose, >>>>>> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a >>>>>> lack of >>>>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to >>>>>> forfeit what >>>>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build >>>>>> great >>>>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities >>>>>> that can >>>>>> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to >>>>>> explore the >>>>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below >>>>>> to assist >>>>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose >>>>>> skills >>>>>> complement yours. >>>>>> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. >>>>>> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by >>>>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In >>>>>> turn >>>>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been >>>>>> looking >>>>>> for. >>>>>> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get >>>>>> involved. >>>>>> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with >>>>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you >>>>>> observe >>>>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our >>>>>> organization. >>>>>> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your >>>>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. >>>>>> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state >>>>>> affiliate >>>>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. >>>>>> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve >>>>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and >>>>>> objectives. Seek >>>>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and >>>>>> abilities in >>>>>> the most effective and efficient manner. >>>>>> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date >>>>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask >>>>>> a president >>>>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. >>>>>> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by >>>>>> our >>>>>> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to >>>>>> learn about >>>>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, >>>>>> awards, and >>>>>> upcoming projects and events. >>>>>> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal >>>>>> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with >>>>>> others >>>>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current >>>>>> occupation, hobbies, >>>>>> health concerns and so much more. >>>>>> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to >>>>>> learn >>>>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our >>>>>> organization. >>>>>> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming >>>>>> familiar with officer titles and duties. >>>>>> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, >>>>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference >>>>>> calls with >>>>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group >>>>>> calls. >>>>>> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and >>>>>> our national organization. You may locate information on the web >>>>>> site that >>>>>> you didn't think of inquiring about. >>>>>> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do >>>>>> the same. >>>>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more >>>>>> you >>>>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization >>>>>> that is >>>>>> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>>> >>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> missheather%40comcast.net >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 05:07:43 2011 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 23:07:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> References: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> Message-ID: Personally, I don't enjoy browsing on the Mac. This is mainly because I like to move down a page line by line, and this is not possible on the Mac, unless I'm missing something; in which case, I'd love to be enlightened. Also, selecting text while browsing involves a series of steps, which I have still not learned. Don't plan on just holding shift and hitting the down arrow because that ain't happening. I love the mac for mail, iTunes, RSS feeds, and a few other applications, but I am way more efficient with JAWS and a PC if I'm going to spend time on the internet, or if I'm going to do serious text editing. Lastly, if you get a Mac, I would recommend getting something with 4 Gb. You can run Lion, the latest operating system with 2 Gb, but I'm finding my Mac mini, bought in December 2010, quite sluggish with only 2 Gb. And this is with a monitor plugged in, which if you are thinking of getting a Mac mini because it's cheaper, you will also have to do. They are very sluggish if a monitor is not attached. Don't get me wrong, I really like my Mac, but they are not without their problems. Cheers, Marc On 2011-09-06, at 6:05 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Hello, > Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet with Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the introduction of single key navigation on websites finding links, headers etc is really quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to automatically interact with the HTML content when the page is loaded if you want to. > As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but it won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all for you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you will be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without problems. Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably find yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also have the item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life easier. Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to navigate the internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs I've had much better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for example. > As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the bigger 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, Macbook Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do ship with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes with a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love with the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air models have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an external one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive offered by Apple is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case and it never bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the processor to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This will make your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle future versions of the operating system a little better. > Let me know if you have any more questions! > > IC > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > >> Hi Everyone! >> >> I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and >> whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my >> netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the >> voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide >> together. While going through this she did let me play a little with >> the mac. >> >> I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is >> quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't >> that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had >> some questions befoore making a final decision. >> >> What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. >> Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? >> >> I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I >> have listened to her use it while she has done research for her >> homework. >> >> Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text >> of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and >> then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the >> internet. >> >> How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have >> lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does >> voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of >> webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am >> referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or >> www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does >> voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots >> of flash, and have lots of links/headings? >> >> If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the >> macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the >> air? >> >> I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed >> that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and >> a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big >> difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is >> it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? >> >> Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. >> >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Sep 7 07:05:11 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 02:05:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> <7C27A39645924E6296246CBA1634DB2B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Right on. Isn't it sad, that when I attended LWSB, that noone there mentioned the NFB? All I ever heard mentioned, was ACB this, ACB that. That's all I heard. I hadn't heard of the NFB, until 2 years ago. Blessings, Joshua On 9/6/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Joshua, > I completely agree with you. I'm just saying we should take the high > road. We can't control how they act, but we can control how we act. > Best, > Arielle > > On 9/6/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Arielle, it works both ways. >> If we respect them, they need to respect us. >> Terms like, "Tenbroek Machine," shouldn't be used to describe us, by >> that organization. >> I know, because I've observed that mess, from the outside, looking in. >> I'm thankful for the NFB, and we all need to respect one another. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/6/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> Chris, I'm glad you decided to share this article. While I didn't find >>> anything in it particularly special either, I think we need to be >>> careful not to reject a piece of writing or thought just because it >>> happens to come from the ACB. It is true that ACB and NFB have taken >>> different stances on some policy issues and that the two organizations >>> have very different philosophies about leadership. However, when it >>> comes down to it, ACB is made up of a bunch of blind folks just like >>> us who have decided to join together to obtain support and collective >>> advocacy. While I personally wouldn't join the ACB and prefer to stay >>> with NFB, and I don't advocate having the two organizations unite >>> because I think it's good for blind people to have a choice of >>> organizations to join, I think we do owe the ACB folks some respect >>> here. >>> Furthermore, though many of the members of this list are already >>> committed Federationists as Heather pointed out, some of us are still >>> exploring what the two organizations have to offer. Please, let's not >>> shoot down this exploration. I have been on this list for eleven years >>> and one of the things I like best about it is that we are free to >>> discuss our views on blindness and to examine and critique other >>> people's ideas-even if we don't all agree with them or even if our >>> personal views are unpopular. Stifling these thoughts and reflections >>> is likely to do more harm than good, and, I fear, to make some folks >>> reluctant to join us. When I was in this questioning stage myself, one >>> of the things that pushed me to take the plunge and join NFB was the >>> fact that I was encouraged to ask questions and to challenge NFB >>> actions that I didn't fully understand. If we get too zealous about >>> the superiority of NFB's views over other ways of thinking about >>> blindness, we risk thwarting the development of some of our future >>> leaders who are still deciding where NFB fits in their lives. >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 9/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>> Ashley, >>>> I didn't really mind him sharing it, either. I'll stay, kind of. >>>> Every once in a while, something comes up that makes all the silly >>>> back and forth rhetoric actually worth it. But only every once in a >>>> while, so I'll only be on here every now and again. >>>> Take care, >>>> Kirt >>>> >>>> On 9/5/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> , >>>>> I hope you'll stay; sometimes I'm frustrated by arguing, but I just hit >>>>> the >>>>> delete key then. For spam I ignore it. >>>>> To me, this list has been one of the best resources. As to the article, >>>>> it >>>>> had some good tips, but they were >>>>> generic, still I did not mind him sharing it. >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:29 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article >>>>> >>>>> Hey all, >>>>> It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except >>>>> there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all >>>>> these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking >>>>> controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me >>>>> much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have >>>>> those. >>>>> Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved >>>>> in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my >>>>> local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student >>>>> organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I >>>>> suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are >>>>> already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical >>>>> advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any >>>>> established organized movement. >>>>> Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people >>>>> get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion >>>>> contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, >>>>> but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that >>>>> really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. >>>>> I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see >>>>> something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think >>>>> it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun >>>>> with the list. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Kirt >>>>> >>>>> On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>>>> Heather and Chris, >>>>>> A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a >>>>>> great >>>>>> article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every >>>>>> right >>>>>> to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their >>>>>> personal >>>>>> opinion on anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing >>>>>> how >>>>>> they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this >>>>>> out >>>>>> there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he >>>>>> meant >>>>>> it has some basic introductory information that some people on this >>>>>> list >>>>>> will find useful and others wont. >>>>>> >>>>>> Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and >>>>>> hope >>>>>> you >>>>>> will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a >>>>>> lot >>>>>> of >>>>>> people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't >>>>>> think >>>>>> we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain >>>>>> listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". >>>>>> >>>>>> What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of >>>>>> the >>>>>> listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of >>>>>> friends >>>>>> and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love >>>>>> this >>>>>> for >>>>>> the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the >>>>>> responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on >>>>>> a >>>>>> listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to >>>>>> and >>>>>> part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop >>>>>> rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure >>>>>> about. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but >>>>>> hopefully >>>>>> it >>>>>> gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a >>>>>> wonderful >>>>>> weekend, everyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>>> David Dodge >>>>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>>>> English Major >>>>>> University at Buffalo >>>>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris, >>>>>>> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've >>>>>>> established >>>>>>> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to >>>>>>> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one >>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> involved. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a >>>>>>> condition >>>>>>> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely >>>>>>> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local >>>>>>> level, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by >>>>>>> either >>>>>>> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate >>>>>>> goals >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush >>>>>>> off >>>>>>> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an >>>>>>> organisation >>>>>>> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring >>>>>>> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, >>>>>>> why >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically >>>>>>> making >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> difference with the NFB in your local area. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have >>>>>>> signed >>>>>>> up >>>>>>> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their >>>>>>> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the >>>>>>> occasional >>>>>>> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the >>>>>>> two >>>>>>> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical >>>>>>> issues. >>>>>>> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it >>>>>>> means >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their >>>>>>> communities >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow >>>>>>> members. >>>>>>> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them >>>>>>> back. >>>>>>> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a >>>>>>> bunch >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain >>>>>>> annoying. >>>>>>> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. >>>>>>> But, >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move >>>>>>> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage >>>>>>> subscribers >>>>>>> to try >>>>>>> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy >>>>>>> doing >>>>>>> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the >>>>>>> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing >>>>>>> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. >>>>>>> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> breaking copyright law. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Heather Field >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you >>>>>>> lifted >>>>>>> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been >>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM >>>>>>> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have >>>>>>> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. >>>>>>> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication >>>>>>> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a >>>>>>> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize >>>>>>> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take >>>>>>> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has >>>>>>> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to >>>>>>> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good >>>>>>> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some >>>>>>> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any >>>>>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down >>>>>>> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to >>>>>>> learn about both. Here is the article. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP >>>>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr. >>>>>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking >>>>>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of >>>>>>> its purpose, >>>>>>> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a >>>>>>> lack of >>>>>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to >>>>>>> forfeit what >>>>>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build >>>>>>> great >>>>>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities >>>>>>> that can >>>>>>> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to >>>>>>> explore the >>>>>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below >>>>>>> to assist >>>>>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose >>>>>>> skills >>>>>>> complement yours. >>>>>>> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. >>>>>>> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by >>>>>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In >>>>>>> turn >>>>>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been >>>>>>> looking >>>>>>> for. >>>>>>> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get >>>>>>> involved. >>>>>>> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with >>>>>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you >>>>>>> observe >>>>>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our >>>>>>> organization. >>>>>>> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your >>>>>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. >>>>>>> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state >>>>>>> affiliate >>>>>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. >>>>>>> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve >>>>>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and >>>>>>> objectives. Seek >>>>>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and >>>>>>> abilities in >>>>>>> the most effective and efficient manner. >>>>>>> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date >>>>>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask >>>>>>> a president >>>>>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. >>>>>>> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to >>>>>>> learn about >>>>>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, >>>>>>> awards, and >>>>>>> upcoming projects and events. >>>>>>> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal >>>>>>> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with >>>>>>> others >>>>>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current >>>>>>> occupation, hobbies, >>>>>>> health concerns and so much more. >>>>>>> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to >>>>>>> learn >>>>>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our >>>>>>> organization. >>>>>>> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming >>>>>>> familiar with officer titles and duties. >>>>>>> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, >>>>>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference >>>>>>> calls with >>>>>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group >>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and >>>>>>> our national organization. You may locate information on the web >>>>>>> site that >>>>>>> you didn't think of inquiring about. >>>>>>> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do >>>>>>> the same. >>>>>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization >>>>>>> that is >>>>>>> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>> missheather%40comcast.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 09:39:37 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 05:39:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype 5.5 connecting to FB wrong, HELP! In-Reply-To: <4e66a8f4.0c50650a.46ca.7d73@mx.google.com> References: <4e66a8f4.0c50650a.46ca.7d73@mx.google.com> Message-ID: IDK, I just pressed enter on the tap and it brought up a page for me to enter in my user name and password. Let me see if I can find more information on it for you. I also have another friend who has asked me this same question in the last few days. On 9/6/11, Beth wrote: > Thanks, Lea. The trouble is that every time I go to Facebook > tab, I see a xmpp thingy and it doesn't have the link to FB. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lea williams To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:03:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Skype 5.5 connecting to FB wrong, HELP! > > I did it by going to control 1, then tabbing down to facebook > tab, > pressing enter and then entering my facebook's user name and > password > in the window that came up. You could try to go to insert f8, > arrow > down to facebook tab, enter, etc.., or go to minue, arrow left or > right to view, down to facebook tab, enter. one of these should > take > you to it. In the fewture if your wanting to get to your facebook > tab, > go to one of these ways then press enter and it should bring the > list > of people on your facebook up. > Hope this helped. > > On 9/6/11, Beth wrote: > Hey, Nabs-sters, > I'm trying to connect my FB account to Skype, and I can't > find the menu bar item that would allow me to do that. > HELP! Otherwise, ... HELP! > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988 > %40gmail.com > > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 09:45:04 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 05:45:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype 5.5 connecting to FB wrong, HELP! In-Reply-To: References: <4e66a8f4.0c50650a.46ca.7d73@mx.google.com> Message-ID: this is what i have found on the internet to do. It’s easy to keep in touch with your Facebook friends with Skype. First, you need to connect your Skype account to Facebook, and then you can view the Facebook News Feed and contact your Facebook friends. Sign in to Skype. Click on the Facebook tab. If you can't see the Facebook tab, click Contacts > Show Facebook Friends. Click Connect to Facebook. A log in page opens in Skype Home. If you’re not a registered Facebook user, click Sign up for Facebook. Enter your Facebook log in details and click Log In to connect your account to Facebook. this is what I have said before but maybe this might help more. I will continue to look if this does not work. like i said before,a friend of mine is trying to get it to work too. On 9/7/11, Lea williams wrote: > IDK, I just pressed enter on the tap and it brought up a page for me > to enter in my user name and password. Let me see if I can find more > information on it for you. I also have another friend who has asked me > this same question in the last few days. > > On 9/6/11, Beth wrote: >> Thanks, Lea. The trouble is that every time I go to Facebook >> tab, I see a xmpp thingy and it doesn't have the link to FB. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lea williams > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:03:17 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Skype 5.5 connecting to FB wrong, HELP! >> >> I did it by going to control 1, then tabbing down to facebook >> tab, >> pressing enter and then entering my facebook's user name and >> password >> in the window that came up. You could try to go to insert f8, >> arrow >> down to facebook tab, enter, etc.., or go to minue, arrow left or >> right to view, down to facebook tab, enter. one of these should >> take >> you to it. In the fewture if your wanting to get to your facebook >> tab, >> go to one of these ways then press enter and it should bring the >> list >> of people on your facebook up. >> Hope this helped. >> >> On 9/6/11, Beth wrote: >> Hey, Nabs-sters, >> I'm trying to connect my FB account to Skype, and I can't >> find the menu bar item that would allow me to do that. >> HELP! Otherwise, ... HELP! >> Beth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dandrews at visi.com Wed Sep 7 10:51:30 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 05:51:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> <7C27A39645924E6296246CBA1634DB2B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Joshua et al: I think that some people are a bit idealistic when it comes to relations with the ACB. It is important to remember that they were born out of opposition to the NFB and how we do things. So, if you take away from them being against us, and doing things differently, there just isn't much left. So, you may be expecting more than they can deliver. Dave At 10:47 PM 9/6/2011, you wrote: >Arielle, it works both ways. >If we respect them, they need to respect us. >Terms like, "Tenbroek Machine," shouldn't be used to describe us, by >that organization. >I know, because I've observed that mess, from the outside, looking in. >I'm thankful for the NFB, and we all need to respect one another. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 9/6/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > Hi all, > > Chris, I'm glad you decided to share this article. While I didn't find > > anything in it particularly special either, I think we need to be > > careful not to reject a piece of writing or thought just because it > > happens to come from the ACB. It is true that ACB and NFB have taken > > different stances on some policy issues and that the two organizations > > have very different philosophies about leadership. However, when it > > comes down to it, ACB is made up of a bunch of blind folks just like > > us who have decided to join together to obtain support and collective > > advocacy. While I personally wouldn't join the ACB and prefer to stay > > with NFB, and I don't advocate having the two organizations unite > > because I think it's good for blind people to have a choice of > > organizations to join, I think we do owe the ACB folks some respect > > here. > > Furthermore, though many of the members of this list are already > > committed Federationists as Heather pointed out, some of us are still > > exploring what the two organizations have to offer. Please, let's not > > shoot down this exploration. I have been on this list for eleven years > > and one of the things I like best about it is that we are free to > > discuss our views on blindness and to examine and critique other > > people's ideas-even if we don't all agree with them or even if our > > personal views are unpopular. Stifling these thoughts and reflections > > is likely to do more harm than good, and, I fear, to make some folks > > reluctant to join us. When I was in this questioning stage myself, one > > of the things that pushed me to take the plunge and join NFB was the > > fact that I was encouraged to ask questions and to challenge NFB > > actions that I didn't fully understand. If we get too zealous about > > the superiority of NFB's views over other ways of thinking about > > blindness, we risk thwarting the development of some of our future > > leaders who are still deciding where NFB fits in their lives. > > Best, > > Arielle > > > > On 9/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > >> Ashley, > >> I didn't really mind him sharing it, either. I'll stay, kind of. > >> Every once in a while, something comes up that makes all the silly > >> back and forth rhetoric actually worth it. But only every once in a > >> while, so I'll only be on here every now and again. > >> Take care, > >> Kirt > >> > >> On 9/5/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>> , > >>> I hope you'll stay; sometimes I'm frustrated by arguing, but I just hit > >>> the > >>> delete key then. For spam I ignore it. > >>> To me, this list has been one of the best resources. As to the article, > >>> it > >>> had some good tips, but they were > >>> generic, still I did not mind him sharing it. > >>> Ashley > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Kirt Manwaring > >>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:29 AM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article > >>> > >>> Hey all, > >>> It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except > >>> there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all > >>> these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking > >>> controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me > >>> much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have > >>> those. > >>> Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved > >>> in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my > >>> local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student > >>> organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I > >>> suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are > >>> already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical > >>> advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any > >>> established organized movement. > >>> Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people > >>> get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion > >>> contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, > >>> but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that > >>> really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. > >>> I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see > >>> something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think > >>> it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun > >>> with the list. > >>> Cheers, > >>> Kirt > >>> > >>> On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: > >>>> Heather and Chris, > >>>> A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a great > >>>> article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every > >>>> right > >>>> to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their > >>>> personal > >>>> opinion on anything. > >>>> > >>>> Personally, I like making connections between organizations and seeing > >>>> how > >>>> they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this out > >>>> there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he > >>>> meant > >>>> it has some basic introductory information that some people on this list > >>>> will find useful and others wont. > >>>> > >>>> Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and hope > >>>> you > >>>> will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a lot > >>>> of > >>>> people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I don't > >>>> think > >>>> we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain > >>>> listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". > >>>> > >>>> What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of > >>>> the > >>>> listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of > >>>> friends > >>>> and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love this > >>>> for > >>>> the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the > >>>> responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on a > >>>> listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to and > >>>> part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll stop > >>>> rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure about. > >>>> > >>>> I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but > >>>> hopefully > >>>> it > >>>> gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a > >>>> wonderful > >>>> weekend, everyone. > >>>> > >>>> David > >>>> ---------------------------------- > >>>> David Dodge > >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly > >>>> English Major > >>>> University at Buffalo > >>>> 306 Clemens Hall > >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 > >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Chris, > >>>>> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted is > >>>>> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've > >>>>> established > >>>>> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying to > >>>>> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one > >>>>> doesn't > >>>>> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated to > >>>>> get > >>>>> involved. > >>>>> > >>>>> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a > >>>>> condition > >>>>> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, rarely > >>>>> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing > >>>>> the > >>>>> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local level, > >>>>> but > >>>>> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by > >>>>> either > >>>>> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people can > >>>>> be > >>>>> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate goals > >>>>> are > >>>>> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly rush > >>>>> off > >>>>> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an organisation > >>>>> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. > >>>>> > >>>>> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be poring > >>>>> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, > >>>>> why > >>>>> you > >>>>> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically making > >>>>> a > >>>>> difference with the NFB in your local area. > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have signed > >>>>> up > >>>>> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made their > >>>>> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the > >>>>> occasional > >>>>> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that the > >>>>> two > >>>>> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical > >>>>> issues. > >>>>> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to do > >>>>> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it > >>>>> means > >>>>> to > >>>>> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated by > >>>>> the > >>>>> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their communities > >>>>> to > >>>>> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. It > >>>>> is > >>>>> the > >>>>> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow > >>>>> members. > >>>>> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them back. > >>>>> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I question. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a bunch > >>>>> of > >>>>> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain > >>>>> annoying. > >>>>> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. But, > >>>>> we > >>>>> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. > >>>>> > >>>>> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move > >>>>> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage > >>>>> subscribers > >>>>> to try > >>>>> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy > >>>>> doing > >>>>> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the > >>>>> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy doing > >>>>> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. > >>>>> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you are > >>>>> breaking copyright law. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Heather Field > >>>>> > >>>>> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, state > >>>>> and > >>>>> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you > >>>>> lifted > >>>>> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been useful. > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM > >>>>> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates > >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi everyone, > >>>>> > >>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have > >>>>> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. > >>>>> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication > >>>>> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a > >>>>> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize > >>>>> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take > >>>>> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has > >>>>> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to > >>>>> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good > >>>>> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some > >>>>> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any > >>>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down > >>>>> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to > >>>>> learn about both. Here is the article. > >>>>> > >>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP > >>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr. > >>>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking > >>>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of > >>>>> its purpose, > >>>>> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a > >>>>> lack of > >>>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to > >>>>> forfeit what > >>>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build > >>>>> great > >>>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities > >>>>> that can > >>>>> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to > >>>>> explore the > >>>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below > >>>>> to assist > >>>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose > >>>>> skills > >>>>> complement yours. > >>>>> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. > >>>>> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by > >>>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In > >>>>> turn > >>>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been > >>>>> looking > >>>>> for. > >>>>> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get > >>>>> involved. > >>>>> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with > >>>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you > >>>>> observe > >>>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our > >>>>> organization. > >>>>> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your > >>>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. > >>>>> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state > >>>>> affiliate > >>>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. > >>>>> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve > >>>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and > >>>>> objectives. Seek > >>>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and > >>>>> abilities in > >>>>> the most effective and efficient manner. > >>>>> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date > >>>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask > >>>>> a president > >>>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. > >>>>> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by > >>>>> our > >>>>> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to > >>>>> learn about > >>>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, > >>>>> awards, and > >>>>> upcoming projects and events. > >>>>> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal > >>>>> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with > >>>>> others > >>>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current > >>>>> occupation, hobbies, > >>>>> health concerns and so much more. > >>>>> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to > >>>>> learn > >>>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our > >>>>> organization. > >>>>> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming > >>>>> familiar with officer titles and duties. > >>>>> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, > >>>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference > >>>>> calls with > >>>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group > >>>>> calls. > >>>>> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and > >>>>> our national organization. You may locate information on the web > >>>>> site that > >>>>> you didn't think of inquiring about. > >>>>> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do > >>>>> the same. > >>>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more > >>>>> you > >>>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization > >>>>> that is > >>>>> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris Nusbaum > >>>>> > >>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > >>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > >>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > >>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > >>>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > >>>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > >>>>> > >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for > >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Sep 7 10:56:27 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 05:56:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a great article In-Reply-To: References: <4e5fe4e4.6618340a.3294.0596@mx.google.com> <69B66194CCCC4F0BB64222FCE8022AD4@HeatherAcer> <7C27A39645924E6296246CBA1634DB2B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: That's why we shouldn't have anything to do with them. Blessings, Joshua On 9/7/11, David Andrews wrote: > Joshua et al: > > I think that some people are a bit idealistic when it comes to > relations with the ACB. It is important to remember that they were > born out of opposition to the NFB and how we do things. So, if you > take away from them being against us, and doing things differently, > there just isn't much left. So, you may be expecting more than they > can deliver. > > Dave > > At 10:47 PM 9/6/2011, you wrote: >>Arielle, it works both ways. >>If we respect them, they need to respect us. >>Terms like, "Tenbroek Machine," shouldn't be used to describe us, by >>that organization. >>I know, because I've observed that mess, from the outside, looking in. >>I'm thankful for the NFB, and we all need to respect one another. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 9/6/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > Chris, I'm glad you decided to share this article. While I didn't find >> > anything in it particularly special either, I think we need to be >> > careful not to reject a piece of writing or thought just because it >> > happens to come from the ACB. It is true that ACB and NFB have taken >> > different stances on some policy issues and that the two organizations >> > have very different philosophies about leadership. However, when it >> > comes down to it, ACB is made up of a bunch of blind folks just like >> > us who have decided to join together to obtain support and collective >> > advocacy. While I personally wouldn't join the ACB and prefer to stay >> > with NFB, and I don't advocate having the two organizations unite >> > because I think it's good for blind people to have a choice of >> > organizations to join, I think we do owe the ACB folks some respect >> > here. >> > Furthermore, though many of the members of this list are already >> > committed Federationists as Heather pointed out, some of us are still >> > exploring what the two organizations have to offer. Please, let's not >> > shoot down this exploration. I have been on this list for eleven years >> > and one of the things I like best about it is that we are free to >> > discuss our views on blindness and to examine and critique other >> > people's ideas-even if we don't all agree with them or even if our >> > personal views are unpopular. Stifling these thoughts and reflections >> > is likely to do more harm than good, and, I fear, to make some folks >> > reluctant to join us. When I was in this questioning stage myself, one >> > of the things that pushed me to take the plunge and join NFB was the >> > fact that I was encouraged to ask questions and to challenge NFB >> > actions that I didn't fully understand. If we get too zealous about >> > the superiority of NFB's views over other ways of thinking about >> > blindness, we risk thwarting the development of some of our future >> > leaders who are still deciding where NFB fits in their lives. >> > Best, >> > Arielle >> > >> > On 9/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >> >> Ashley, >> >> I didn't really mind him sharing it, either. I'll stay, kind of. >> >> Every once in a while, something comes up that makes all the silly >> >> back and forth rhetoric actually worth it. But only every once in a >> >> while, so I'll only be on here every now and again. >> >> Take care, >> >> Kirt >> >> >> >> On 9/5/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >>> , >> >>> I hope you'll stay; sometimes I'm frustrated by arguing, but I just >> >>> hit >> >>> the >> >>> delete key then. For spam I ignore it. >> >>> To me, this list has been one of the best resources. As to the >> >>> article, >> >>> it >> >>> had some good tips, but they were >> >>> generic, still I did not mind him sharing it. >> >>> Ashley >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >> >>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:29 AM >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article >> >>> >> >>> Hey all, >> >>> It's been a while and I really don't have a lot to say, except >> >>> there's a good reason I've stopped spending much time on here and all >> >>> these silly debates, arguing for the sake of arguing and sparking >> >>> controversy for controversy's sake, just don't really appeal to me >> >>> much anymore. I'd rather live a real life, you know? Some of us have >> >>> those. >> >>> Chris, I know you were trying to share good ways of getting involved >> >>> in any organization. The suggestions here are things I can use in my >> >>> local political party, my church, the county lions' club, student >> >>> organizations on campus, etc. They're a bit generic and vague, and I >> >>> suspect the people who want to be involved in any organization are >> >>> already...well, getting involved, but I suppose the bit of practical >> >>> advice in here can be useful to someone who wants to work in any >> >>> established organized movement. >> >>> Anyways I'm tired of arguing semantics. I'm irritated that people >> >>> get their panties in such a twist when someone else shares an opinion >> >>> contrary to their own. This list is not simply for NFB propaganda, >> >>> but, with all the assorted spam and forwards and shouting matches that >> >>> really serve no purpose whatsoever, I find myself growing tired of it. >> >>> I guess this is goodbye till next time, folks. If I ever see >> >>> something on here worth spending my time on (I'm starting to think >> >>> it's not really likely), I'll chime in. In the meantime, have fun >> >>> with the list. >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Kirt >> >>> >> >>> On 9/2/11, David Dodge wrote: >> >>>> Heather and Chris, >> >>>> A few things. First, Chris saying that the article he posted is a >> >>>> great >> >>>> article is his opinion and anyone that dislikes the article has every >> >>>> right >> >>>> to that opinion also. I don't think we should shun anyone for their >> >>>> personal >> >>>> opinion on anything. >> >>>> >> >>>> Personally, I like making connections between organizations and >> >>>> seeing >> >>>> how >> >>>> they are alike and different. I do not feel as though Chris put this >> >>>> out >> >>>> there to try and change anyone's core philosophy. Instead, I think he >> >>>> meant >> >>>> it has some basic introductory information that some people on this >> >>>> list >> >>>> will find useful and others wont. >> >>>> >> >>>> Heather, I'm going to call out something specific that you said and >> >>>> hope >> >>>> you >> >>>> will not be offended by my doing so. It's just its something I see a >> >>>> lot >> >>>> of >> >>>> people do on a variety of listservs that I have an issue with. I >> >>>> don't >> >>>> think >> >>>> we should ever try to quantify a listserv. "most people" on a certain >> >>>> listserv "people on this listserv do or don't want to hear". >> >>>> >> >>>> What we have to remember is we actually don't know the full extent of >> >>>> the >> >>>> listserv. For instance, I have given this listserv to a number of >> >>>> friends >> >>>> and colleagues of mine whom are not very active within NFB but love >> >>>> this >> >>>> for >> >>>> the information they get. Another important thing to remember is the >> >>>> responses we see are not necessarily indicative of the large whole on >> >>>> a >> >>>> listserv. I am part of some listservs that I have never responded to >> >>>> and >> >>>> part of some that I respond to more than I have on this one. I'll >> >>>> stop >> >>>> rambling, I just don't like quantifying a sample that I am unsure >> >>>> about. >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't feel like I've done myself justice in this response but >> >>>> hopefully >> >>>> it >> >>>> gave someone, somewhere, something to think about. Haha. Have a >> >>>> wonderful >> >>>> weekend, everyone. >> >>>> >> >>>> David >> >>>> ---------------------------------- >> >>>> David Dodge >> >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >> >>>> English Major >> >>>> University at Buffalo >> >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >> >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Heather Field >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Chris, >> >>>>> I can't imagine what could persuade you that the article you pasted >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> great. It's just a glorified list of things to do once you've >> >>>>> established >> >>>>> why you are in an organisation and what the organisation is trying >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> achieve. If one doesn't know the, why, of one's membership, and one >> >>>>> doesn't >> >>>>> know the, what the organisation does, then one will not be motivated >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> get >> >>>>> involved. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A person who is well informed on the why and what of the ACB, a >> >>>>> condition >> >>>>> that doesn't develop by reading their literature incidentally, >> >>>>> rarely >> >>>>> discovers much consistency of philosophy or purpose, beyond opposing >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> NFB. Occasionally there is good colaboration on a state or local >> >>>>> level, >> >>>>> but >> >>>>> that is not thanks to national policy, nor from diplomatic forays by >> >>>>> either >> >>>>> organisation. It occurs when mutual interests of local blind people >> >>>>> can >> >>>>> be >> >>>>> best served by working together. In my experience, once immediate >> >>>>> goals >> >>>>> are >> >>>>> achieved, while people remain friends, NFB people don't suddenly >> >>>>> rush >> >>>>> off >> >>>>> and spend lots of time working with the ACB. After all, an >> >>>>> organisation >> >>>>> actually has to, "do", something if people are to do it with you. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I find myself wondering why, if you've got all this time to be >> >>>>> poring >> >>>>> through ACB literature and then editing and posting it on NFB lists, >> >>>>> why >> >>>>> you >> >>>>> don't use it more constructively and get involved in physically >> >>>>> making >> >>>>> a >> >>>>> difference with the NFB in your local area. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Chris, most of the people who frequent the NFB email lists have >> >>>>> signed >> >>>>> up >> >>>>> because they're very committed members of the NFB and have made >> >>>>> their >> >>>>> decision based on the facts as they see them. You may find the >> >>>>> occasional >> >>>>> article which you think is useful. However, the fact remains that >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> two >> >>>>> organisations differ on fundamental, philosophical and practical >> >>>>> issues. >> >>>>> You're not going to change anyone's mind on this list by posting to >> >>>>> do >> >>>>> lists. Those of us who work on the front lines of changing what it >> >>>>> means >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> be blind have learned that it is not what one does, as demonstrated >> >>>>> by >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> myriad different ways chapters and affiliates engage their >> >>>>> communities >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> change what it means to be blind. It's why, one does these things. >> >>>>> It >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> why that colours every interaction with the public and one's fellow >> >>>>> members. >> >>>>> Someone who truly knows why will be involved. You can't hold them >> >>>>> back. >> >>>>> Telling people how, to get involved skips the, why should I >> >>>>> question. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'm not the moderator but I am letting you know that there are a >> >>>>> bunch >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> people on this list who find your posting of ACB stuff just plain >> >>>>> annoying. >> >>>>> Like you, we could subscribe to the Forum if we wanted to read it. >> >>>>> But, >> >>>>> we >> >>>>> don't subscribe because we don't want to read it Chris. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Do you imagine that those in charge of the liberal website Move >> >>>>> on.orgwould post press releases from the T party and encourage >> >>>>> subscribers >> >>>>> to try >> >>>>> to embrace the good bits of the ideology? We're mostly all too busy >> >>>>> doing >> >>>>> the real work of the NFB to bother reading the literature of the >> >>>>> organisation who spends an inordinate amount of time and energy >> >>>>> doing >> >>>>> nothing more useful than trying to oppose us. >> >>>>> By the way, when you take a published article and add anything you >> >>>>> are >> >>>>> breaking copyright law. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Regards, >> >>>>> Heather Field >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If there was a "philosophy", or "goals" or consistent national, >> >>>>> state >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> local consistency to learn about in the organisation from which you >> >>>>> lifted >> >>>>> the article, then perhaps, and only perhaps, that may have been >> >>>>> useful. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM >> >>>>> To: NABS list ; Blind Talk list ; Gary Legates >> >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] a great article >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hi everyone, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have >> >>>>> subscribed to both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. >> >>>>> The Monitor, as you know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication >> >>>>> and the Forum is the Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a >> >>>>> great article in July's Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize >> >>>>> your ACB Membership," giving fifteen tips on how to take >> >>>>> advantage of all ACB (or any organization, for that matter) has >> >>>>> to offer. I think this could also apply to the Federation and to >> >>>>> NABS or any other special-interest division, and is some good >> >>>>> advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to some >> >>>>> parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any >> >>>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down >> >>>>> your throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to >> >>>>> learn about both. Here is the article. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP >> >>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr. >> >>>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking >> >>>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of >> >>>>> its purpose, >> >>>>> mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a >> >>>>> lack of >> >>>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to >> >>>>> forfeit what >> >>>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build >> >>>>> great >> >>>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities >> >>>>> that can >> >>>>> make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to >> >>>>> explore the >> >>>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below >> >>>>> to assist >> >>>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose >> >>>>> skills >> >>>>> complement yours. >> >>>>> 1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions. >> >>>>> 2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by >> >>>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In >> >>>>> turn >> >>>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have been >> >>>>> looking >> >>>>> for. >> >>>>> 3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get >> >>>>> involved. >> >>>>> 4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with >> >>>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you >> >>>>> observe >> >>>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with our >> >>>>> organization. >> >>>>> 5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your >> >>>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization. >> >>>>> 6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state >> >>>>> affiliate >> >>>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions. >> >>>>> 7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve >> >>>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and >> >>>>> objectives. Seek >> >>>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and >> >>>>> abilities in >> >>>>> the most effective and efficient manner. >> >>>>> 8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date >> >>>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask >> >>>>> a president >> >>>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option. >> >>>>> 9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by >> >>>>> our >> >>>>> organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to >> >>>>> learn about >> >>>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, >> >>>>> awards, and >> >>>>> upcoming projects and events. >> >>>>> 10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal >> >>>>> needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with >> >>>>> others >> >>>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current >> >>>>> occupation, hobbies, >> >>>>> health concerns and so much more. >> >>>>> 11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to >> >>>>> learn >> >>>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our >> >>>>> organization. >> >>>>> 12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming >> >>>>> familiar with officer titles and duties. >> >>>>> 13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge, >> >>>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference >> >>>>> calls with >> >>>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group >> >>>>> calls. >> >>>>> 14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and >> >>>>> our national organization. You may locate information on the web >> >>>>> site that >> >>>>> you didn't think of inquiring about. >> >>>>> 15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do >> >>>>> the same. >> >>>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more >> >>>>> you >> >>>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization >> >>>>> that is >> >>>>> continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> >>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> >>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> >>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> >>>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> >>>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >> >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Sep 7 11:20:19 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:20:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, for my state Message-ID: On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off > list. > I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in Arkansas. > Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. > Who is? > My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua > From nbrav003 at fiu.edu Wed Sep 7 16:17:57 2011 From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:17:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Fwd: National Disability Institute Launches My American Dream Video Contest References: Message-ID: For your information. 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Be part of the economic empowerment of people with disabilities. > > Thank you, > > > Michael Morris, Executive Director, National Disability Institute > > > Johnette Hartnett, Director, Strategic Partnerships and Research, National Disability Institute > > > > > > > > Forward email > > > This email was sent to hjwrig at miamidade.gov by team at ndi-inc.org | > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe™ | Privacy Policy. > National Disability Institute | 1667 K St NW, Suite 640 | Washington | DC | 20006 > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 17:09:24 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:09:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, for my state In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Joshua, If you are interested in organizing a student division in Arkansas, you would probably want to first start with contacting your affiliate president as they are always looking for students who want to take charge in such a manner. once you've done this, you would then want to contact the nabs president for further assistance from the national student division side of things. hth Darian On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off >> list. >> I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in Arkansas. >> Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. >> Who is? >> My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. >> Thanks for your help. >> Blessings, Joshua >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 18:27:39 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 14:27:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A0A2B6B-F64C-4F77-9C6A-147076BC351C@gmail.com> As you said, it's really a matter of what you prefer. I don't need to browse line by line and don't find the VoiceOver method to select text slow or annoying, so I'm fine with browsing the internet on my Mac. As I said on my previous email, if you get a Macbook Air with 2GB of ram it will run lion just fine because of the SSD. I'm pretty sure that all Macbook Pro models come with 4GB ram these days. On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Marc Workman wrote: > Personally, I don't enjoy browsing on the Mac. This is mainly because I like to move down a page line by line, and this is not possible on the Mac, unless I'm missing something; in which case, I'd love to be enlightened. Also, selecting text while browsing involves a series of steps, which I have still not learned. Don't plan on just holding shift and hitting the down arrow because that ain't happening. > > I love the mac for mail, iTunes, RSS feeds, and a few other applications, but I am way more efficient with JAWS and a PC if I'm going to spend time on the internet, or if I'm going to do serious text editing. > > Lastly, if you get a Mac, I would recommend getting something with 4 Gb. You can run Lion, the latest operating system with 2 Gb, but I'm finding my Mac mini, bought in December 2010, quite sluggish with only 2 Gb. And this is with a monitor plugged in, which if you are thinking of getting a Mac mini because it's cheaper, you will also have to do. They are very sluggish if a monitor is not attached. > > Don't get me wrong, I really like my Mac, but they are not without their problems. > > Cheers, > > Marc > On 2011-09-06, at 6:05 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > >> Hello, >> Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet with Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the introduction of single key navigation on websites finding links, headers etc is really quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to automatically interact with the HTML content when the page is loaded if you want to. >> As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but it won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all for you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you will be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without problems. Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably find yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also have the item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life easier. Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to navigate the internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs I've had much better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for example. >> As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the bigger 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, Macbook Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do ship with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes with a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love with the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air models have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an external one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive offered by Apple is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case and it never bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the processor to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This will make your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle future versions of the operating system a little better. >> Let me know if you have any more questions! >> >> IC >> >> On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone! >>> >>> I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and >>> whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my >>> netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the >>> voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide >>> together. While going through this she did let me play a little with >>> the mac. >>> >>> I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is >>> quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't >>> that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had >>> some questions befoore making a final decision. >>> >>> What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. >>> Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? >>> >>> I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I >>> have listened to her use it while she has done research for her >>> homework. >>> >>> Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text >>> of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and >>> then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the >>> internet. >>> >>> How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have >>> lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does >>> voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of >>> webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am >>> referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or >>> www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does >>> voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots >>> of flash, and have lots of links/headings? >>> >>> If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the >>> macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the >>> air? >>> >>> I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed >>> that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and >>> a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big >>> difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is >>> it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? >>> >>> Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Sep 7 20:53:40 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:53:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, for my state In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sean actually helped me. I contacted Mrs Sheeler, (my president,) but she never responded. I've got it straightened out. Thanks, Joshua On 9/7/11, Darian Smith wrote: > Hello Joshua, > If you are interested in organizing a student division in > Arkansas, you would probably want to first start with contacting your > affiliate president as they are always looking for students who > want to take charge in such a manner. > once you've done this, you would then want to contact the nabs > president for further assistance from the national student division > side of things. > hth > Darian > > On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off >>> list. >>> I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in Arkansas. >>> Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. >>> Who is? >>> My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. >>> Thanks for your help. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Darian Smith > > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." > - Martin Luther King, Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 21:14:10 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:14:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: <0A0A2B6B-F64C-4F77-9C6A-147076BC351C@gmail.com> References: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> <0A0A2B6B-F64C-4F77-9C6A-147076BC351C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi IC and Everyone: Okay, I've sort of narrowed my options a little but I still have questions. I was able to play with Safari a little on my friend's mac last night. I went to my favorite site, espn.com. Wow, without flash it is a lot smoother to browse and it doesn't slow down safari or voiceover as it seems to with Jaws/Internet Explorer. My friend does not have quicknav turned on so I had to browse by hitting the right arrow past all the links to get the text of the articles I clicked on/wanted to read which was a little annoying. I originally thought that in order to read the text of the link you click on you had to interact with the html content but on hers all I did was hit the right arrow several times past all the links and it eventually came to the text. I wish she had single letter quicknav turned on so I could try playing with that and seeing if it made browsing/finding the text of my article quicker. As you both have said, browsing the internet with safari is not linear at all but left to right and tabbing. In a way I like this but in another way I don't really like it. I looked at the macbook air's on the apple website last night and the new ones have four gigs of ram. You can get the storage as high as 64 gigs and the storage is flash. For those who use the air do you find it faster than the macbook pros? Oh, and the new airs that just came out have Lion already on them. Is the air supposed to be Apple's version of the windows netbook? Is the air noticeably faster than the pro? I know the air has a solid state drive whereas the pro has a regular hard drive. Looking at the pricing, the 13-inch air is the same price as the 13-inch pro so wouldn't the pro give me more bang for my buck so to speak? I know IC said to go with the 11-inch air and that is only $999 or something like that but I couldn't help noticing the 13-inch air was the same price as the 13-inch pro. I'm just trying to look at all my options and make the best decision. I don't have an apple store near me so my only way of checking things out is to play with my friend's pro when I get a chance or look online. Thanks! Kerri On 9/7/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > As you said, it's really a matter of what you prefer. I don't need to browse > line by line and don't find the VoiceOver method to select text slow or > annoying, so I'm fine with browsing the internet on my Mac. As I said on my > previous email, if you get a Macbook Air with 2GB of ram it will run lion > just fine because of the SSD. I'm pretty sure that all Macbook Pro models > come with 4GB ram these days. > On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Marc Workman wrote: > >> Personally, I don't enjoy browsing on the Mac. This is mainly because I >> like to move down a page line by line, and this is not possible on the >> Mac, unless I'm missing something; in which case, I'd love to be >> enlightened. Also, selecting text while browsing involves a series of >> steps, which I have still not learned. Don't plan on just holding shift >> and hitting the down arrow because that ain't happening. >> >> I love the mac for mail, iTunes, RSS feeds, and a few other applications, >> but I am way more efficient with JAWS and a PC if I'm going to spend time >> on the internet, or if I'm going to do serious text editing. >> >> Lastly, if you get a Mac, I would recommend getting something with 4 Gb. >> You can run Lion, the latest operating system with 2 Gb, but I'm finding >> my Mac mini, bought in December 2010, quite sluggish with only 2 Gb. And >> this is with a monitor plugged in, which if you are thinking of getting a >> Mac mini because it's cheaper, you will also have to do. They are very >> sluggish if a monitor is not attached. >> >> Don't get me wrong, I really like my Mac, but they are not without their >> problems. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Marc >> On 2011-09-06, at 6:05 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet with >>> Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the introduction of >>> single key navigation on websites finding links, headers etc is really >>> quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to automatically interact >>> with the HTML content when the page is loaded if you want to. >>> As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but it >>> won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all for >>> you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you will >>> be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without problems. >>> Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably find >>> yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also have the >>> item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life easier. >>> Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to navigate the >>> internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs I've had much >>> better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for example. >>> As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. >>> If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would >>> definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the bigger >>> 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, Macbook >>> Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do ship >>> with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes with >>> a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the >>> computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air >>> will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just >>> booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love with >>> the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air models >>> have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an external >>> one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive offered by Apple >>> is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case and it never >>> bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for >>> processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If >>> you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the processor >>> to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This will make >>> your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle future >>> versions of the operating system a little better. >>> Let me know if you have any more questions! >>> >>> IC >>> >>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone! >>>> >>>> I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and >>>> whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my >>>> netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the >>>> voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide >>>> together. While going through this she did let me play a little with >>>> the mac. >>>> >>>> I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is >>>> quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't >>>> that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had >>>> some questions befoore making a final decision. >>>> >>>> What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. >>>> Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? >>>> >>>> I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I >>>> have listened to her use it while she has done research for her >>>> homework. >>>> >>>> Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text >>>> of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and >>>> then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the >>>> internet. >>>> >>>> How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have >>>> lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does >>>> voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of >>>> webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am >>>> referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or >>>> www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does >>>> voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots >>>> of flash, and have lots of links/headings? >>>> >>>> If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the >>>> macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the >>>> air? >>>> >>>> I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed >>>> that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and >>>> a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big >>>> difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is >>>> it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? >>>> >>>> Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu Wed Sep 7 21:36:05 2011 From: SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu (Salisbury, Justin Mark) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:36:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students for my state Message-ID: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA061B1E0B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Hi Joshua, Have you heard about the conference call that will take place on Sunday, September 11, called "The ABCs of NABS Reps?" Ironically, the North Carolina ABS (of which I am President) will be with a national rep at our first-ever student track at the NFB of NC state convention this weekend. I definitely recommend attending that call because they can talk about how a NABS rep coming to your state can help you start a student division. Having strong support from the NFB of Arkansas president in your efforts to establish a student division can be quite helpful. Gary Ray, president of the NFB of North Carolina, believes very much in our importance. If you question how big a priority a students division is to your state president, encourage her to talk to her fellow affiliate presidents about the value of a student division. If you can coordinate an interested group of people from Arkansas to attend a function of an Association of Blind Students in a neighboring state, that might help inspire the students, too. You can certainly bring some folks to NC in March for our student seminar. Our seminar is big enough now that we welcome people from all states. We aren't quite neighbors, but that's why we have airports. Feel free to contact me off-list about this if you want, too. Good luck! Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:20:19 -0500 From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, for my state Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off > list. > I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in Arkansas. > Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. > Who is? > My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Sep 7 21:47:19 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:47:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students for my state In-Reply-To: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA061B1E0B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA061B1E0B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: I'll listen, online, to www.nabslinkaudio.org. What time will the call take place? I can't attend state convention, because I don't have transportation. I'll continue working with our state president. Blessings, Joshua On 9/7/11, Salisbury, Justin Mark wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > Have you heard about the conference call that will take place on > Sunday, September 11, called "The ABCs of NABS Reps?" Ironically, the North > Carolina ABS (of which I am President) will be with a national rep at our > first-ever student track at the NFB of NC state convention this weekend. I > definitely recommend attending that call because they can talk about how a > NABS rep coming to your state can help you start a student division. > > Having strong support from the NFB of Arkansas president in your efforts > to establish a student division can be quite helpful. Gary Ray, president > of the NFB of North Carolina, believes very much in our importance. If you > question how big a priority a students division is to your state president, > encourage her to talk to her fellow affiliate presidents about the value of > a student division. > > If you can coordinate an interested group of people from Arkansas to > attend a function of an Association of Blind Students in a neighboring > state, that might help inspire the students, too. You can certainly bring > some folks to NC in March for our student seminar. Our seminar is big > enough now that we welcome people from all states. We aren't quite > neighbors, but that's why we have airports. > > Feel free to contact me off-list about this if you want, too. > > Good luck! > > Justin > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD > > > > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:20:19 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, > for my state > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off >> list. >> I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in Arkansas. >> Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. >> Who is? >> My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. >> Thanks for your help. >> Blessings, Joshua > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 21:54:54 2011 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:54:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: <0A0A2B6B-F64C-4F77-9C6A-147076BC351C@gmail.com> References: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> <0A0A2B6B-F64C-4F77-9C6A-147076BC351C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8501D48F-C2F5-496D-B2E5-97CB9CB75877@gmail.com> I'm not sure it's purely a matter of preference. I don't know, I suppose if the issue is that I prefer to be able to browse in a variety of ways depending on the situation (e.g., line-by-line, paragraph-by-paragraph, or or from top to bottom), and I prefer to be able to select text with as few steps as possible, then I guess it's preference, but I really can't imagine why anyone would prefer less flexibility and a larger number of steps to accomplish a task when browsing the web. I've transitioned from snow leopard to lion, and the Mac mini is considerably slower with 2 Gb of ram. I used to be able to have a dozen apps open, and switching back and forth did not result in busy messages, but now I get such messages even when running only two or three apps. It also takes much longer to wake from sleep. Perhaps the Air with the SSD does not have these issues, but I'm on a list with 700 or so Mac users, and consensus seems to be that you can run lion on 2 Gb (technically you can run it on 1 Gb, as I had to do for 10 days), but if you can afford it, get a machine with 4 Gb. Of course, this all depends on how hard you push the machine. To turn on quick nab, just hit the left and right arrows at the same time. The same action will turn it off. Whether single letter navigation when quick nab is on is enabled by default, I'm not sure, but you can easily set this preference in the VO utility. I only have the mini now, so I can't comment on the Air vs. the Pro. If you don't need the processing power, then the Air is the slimmer, lighter, and, in some ways, faster machine. Best, Marc On 2011-09-07, at 12:27 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > As you said, it's really a matter of what you prefer. I don't need to browse line by line and don't find the VoiceOver method to select text slow or annoying, so I'm fine with browsing the internet on my Mac. As I said on my previous email, if you get a Macbook Air with 2GB of ram it will run lion just fine because of the SSD. I'm pretty sure that all Macbook Pro models come with 4GB ram these days. > On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Marc Workman wrote: > >> Personally, I don't enjoy browsing on the Mac. This is mainly because I like to move down a page line by line, and this is not possible on the Mac, unless I'm missing something; in which case, I'd love to be enlightened. Also, selecting text while browsing involves a series of steps, which I have still not learned. Don't plan on just holding shift and hitting the down arrow because that ain't happening. >> >> I love the mac for mail, iTunes, RSS feeds, and a few other applications, but I am way more efficient with JAWS and a PC if I'm going to spend time on the internet, or if I'm going to do serious text editing. >> >> Lastly, if you get a Mac, I would recommend getting something with 4 Gb. You can run Lion, the latest operating system with 2 Gb, but I'm finding my Mac mini, bought in December 2010, quite sluggish with only 2 Gb. And this is with a monitor plugged in, which if you are thinking of getting a Mac mini because it's cheaper, you will also have to do. They are very sluggish if a monitor is not attached. >> >> Don't get me wrong, I really like my Mac, but they are not without their problems. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Marc >> On 2011-09-06, at 6:05 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet with Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the introduction of single key navigation on websites finding links, headers etc is really quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to automatically interact with the HTML content when the page is loaded if you want to. >>> As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but it won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all for you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you will be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without problems. Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably find yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also have the item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life easier. Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to navigate the internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs I've had much better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for example. >>> As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the bigger 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, Macbook Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do ship with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes with a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love with the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air models have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an external one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive offered by Apple is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case and it never bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the processor to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This will make your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle future versions of the operating system a little better. >>> Let me know if you have any more questions! >>> >>> IC >>> >>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone! >>>> >>>> I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and >>>> whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my >>>> netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the >>>> voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide >>>> together. While going through this she did let me play a little with >>>> the mac. >>>> >>>> I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is >>>> quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't >>>> that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had >>>> some questions befoore making a final decision. >>>> >>>> What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. >>>> Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? >>>> >>>> I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I >>>> have listened to her use it while she has done research for her >>>> homework. >>>> >>>> Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text >>>> of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and >>>> then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the >>>> internet. >>>> >>>> How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have >>>> lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does >>>> voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of >>>> webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am >>>> referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or >>>> www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does >>>> voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots >>>> of flash, and have lots of links/headings? >>>> >>>> If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the >>>> macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the >>>> air? >>>> >>>> I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed >>>> that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and >>>> a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big >>>> difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is >>>> it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? >>>> >>>> Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:11:23 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 18:11:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students for my state In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA061B1E0B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: That Web site isn't working right now, for some reason. I'll contact David Dunphy. When I select the "click here to download or listen to past NABS presentations" link, I get a "the page cannot be displayed" message. That's happening on both the BrailleNote and on the computer. Chris On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'll listen, online, to www.nabslinkaudio.org. > What time will the call take place? > I can't attend state convention, because I don't have transportation. > I'll continue working with our state president. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/7/11, Salisbury, Justin Mark wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> >> Have you heard about the conference call that will take place on >> Sunday, September 11, called "The ABCs of NABS Reps?" Ironically, the >> North >> Carolina ABS (of which I am President) will be with a national rep at our >> first-ever student track at the NFB of NC state convention this weekend. >> I >> definitely recommend attending that call because they can talk about how a >> NABS rep coming to your state can help you start a student division. >> >> Having strong support from the NFB of Arkansas president in your >> efforts >> to establish a student division can be quite helpful. Gary Ray, president >> of the NFB of North Carolina, believes very much in our importance. If >> you >> question how big a priority a students division is to your state >> president, >> encourage her to talk to her fellow affiliate presidents about the value >> of >> a student division. >> >> If you can coordinate an interested group of people from Arkansas to >> attend a function of an Association of Blind Students in a neighboring >> state, that might help inspire the students, too. You can certainly bring >> some folks to NC in March for our student seminar. Our seminar is big >> enough now that we welcome people from all states. We aren't quite >> neighbors, but that's why we have airports. >> >> Feel free to contact me off-list about this if you want, too. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Justin >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:20:19 -0500 >> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, >> for my state >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off >>> list. >>> I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in Arkansas. >>> Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. >>> Who is? >>> My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. >>> Thanks for your help. >>> Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Sep 7 22:23:12 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:23:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students for my state In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA061B1E0B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: Wow! That's surprising! Audio Access Radio works right, so what's the deal? Blessings, Joshua On 9/7/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > That Web site isn't working right now, for some reason. I'll contact > David Dunphy. When I select the "click here to download or listen to > past NABS presentations" link, I get a "the page cannot be displayed" > message. That's happening on both the BrailleNote and on the computer. > > Chris > > On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I'll listen, online, to www.nabslinkaudio.org. >> What time will the call take place? >> I can't attend state convention, because I don't have transportation. >> I'll continue working with our state president. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/7/11, Salisbury, Justin Mark wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> Have you heard about the conference call that will take place on >>> Sunday, September 11, called "The ABCs of NABS Reps?" Ironically, the >>> North >>> Carolina ABS (of which I am President) will be with a national rep at our >>> first-ever student track at the NFB of NC state convention this weekend. >>> I >>> definitely recommend attending that call because they can talk about how >>> a >>> NABS rep coming to your state can help you start a student division. >>> >>> Having strong support from the NFB of Arkansas president in your >>> efforts >>> to establish a student division can be quite helpful. Gary Ray, >>> president >>> of the NFB of North Carolina, believes very much in our importance. If >>> you >>> question how big a priority a students division is to your state >>> president, >>> encourage her to talk to her fellow affiliate presidents about the value >>> of >>> a student division. >>> >>> If you can coordinate an interested group of people from Arkansas to >>> attend a function of an Association of Blind Students in a neighboring >>> state, that might help inspire the students, too. You can certainly >>> bring >>> some folks to NC in March for our student seminar. Our seminar is big >>> enough now that we welcome people from all states. We aren't quite >>> neighbors, but that's why we have airports. >>> >>> Feel free to contact me off-list about this if you want, too. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:20:19 -0500 >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, >>> for my state >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off >>>> list. >>>> I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in >>>> Arkansas. >>>> Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. >>>> Who is? >>>> My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. >>>> Thanks for your help. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:41:48 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 18:41:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students for my state In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA061B1E0B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, I know! Probably David's so tied down with Audio Access Radio that he doesn't mess with nabslinkaudio.org that much, nor does he have time to. Hopefully he will see this and tell us what's up. But, you can email him at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com or djd at audioaccessradio.com Chris On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Wow! > That's surprising! > Audio Access Radio works right, so what's the deal? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/7/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> That Web site isn't working right now, for some reason. I'll contact >> David Dunphy. When I select the "click here to download or listen to >> past NABS presentations" link, I get a "the page cannot be displayed" >> message. That's happening on both the BrailleNote and on the computer. >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I'll listen, online, to www.nabslinkaudio.org. >>> What time will the call take place? >>> I can't attend state convention, because I don't have transportation. >>> I'll continue working with our state president. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/7/11, Salisbury, Justin Mark wrote: >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> Have you heard about the conference call that will take place on >>>> Sunday, September 11, called "The ABCs of NABS Reps?" Ironically, the >>>> North >>>> Carolina ABS (of which I am President) will be with a national rep at >>>> our >>>> first-ever student track at the NFB of NC state convention this weekend. >>>> I >>>> definitely recommend attending that call because they can talk about how >>>> a >>>> NABS rep coming to your state can help you start a student division. >>>> >>>> Having strong support from the NFB of Arkansas president in your >>>> efforts >>>> to establish a student division can be quite helpful. Gary Ray, >>>> president >>>> of the NFB of North Carolina, believes very much in our importance. If >>>> you >>>> question how big a priority a students division is to your state >>>> president, >>>> encourage her to talk to her fellow affiliate presidents about the value >>>> of >>>> a student division. >>>> >>>> If you can coordinate an interested group of people from Arkansas to >>>> attend a function of an Association of Blind Students in a neighboring >>>> state, that might help inspire the students, too. You can certainly >>>> bring >>>> some folks to NC in March for our student seminar. Our seminar is big >>>> enough now that we welcome people from all states. We aren't quite >>>> neighbors, but that's why we have airports. >>>> >>>> Feel free to contact me off-list about this if you want, too. >>>> >>>> Good luck! >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> Justin M. Salisbury >>>> Undergraduate Student >>>> The University Honors Program >>>> East Carolina University >>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> >>>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:20:19 -0500 >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, >>>> for my state >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off >>>>> list. >>>>> I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in >>>>> Arkansas. >>>>> Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. >>>>> Who is? >>>>> My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. >>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Sep 7 23:25:33 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 18:25:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students for my state In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA061B1E0B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: He needs more help, than what he's getting. Anyway, I contacted my new regional rep, so I'm still waiting to hear from her. Now, off to church. Blessings, Joshua On 9/7/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > I know! Probably David's so tied down with Audio Access Radio that he > doesn't mess with nabslinkaudio.org that much, nor does he have time > to. Hopefully he will see this and tell us what's up. But, you can > email him at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com or djd at audioaccessradio.com > > Chris > > On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Wow! >> That's surprising! >> Audio Access Radio works right, so what's the deal? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/7/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >>> That Web site isn't working right now, for some reason. I'll contact >>> David Dunphy. When I select the "click here to download or listen to >>> past NABS presentations" link, I get a "the page cannot be displayed" >>> message. That's happening on both the BrailleNote and on the computer. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> I'll listen, online, to www.nabslinkaudio.org. >>>> What time will the call take place? >>>> I can't attend state convention, because I don't have transportation. >>>> I'll continue working with our state president. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 9/7/11, Salisbury, Justin Mark wrote: >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> Have you heard about the conference call that will take place on >>>>> Sunday, September 11, called "The ABCs of NABS Reps?" Ironically, the >>>>> North >>>>> Carolina ABS (of which I am President) will be with a national rep at >>>>> our >>>>> first-ever student track at the NFB of NC state convention this >>>>> weekend. >>>>> I >>>>> definitely recommend attending that call because they can talk about >>>>> how >>>>> a >>>>> NABS rep coming to your state can help you start a student division. >>>>> >>>>> Having strong support from the NFB of Arkansas president in your >>>>> efforts >>>>> to establish a student division can be quite helpful. Gary Ray, >>>>> president >>>>> of the NFB of North Carolina, believes very much in our importance. If >>>>> you >>>>> question how big a priority a students division is to your state >>>>> president, >>>>> encourage her to talk to her fellow affiliate presidents about the >>>>> value >>>>> of >>>>> a student division. >>>>> >>>>> If you can coordinate an interested group of people from Arkansas >>>>> to >>>>> attend a function of an Association of Blind Students in a neighboring >>>>> state, that might help inspire the students, too. You can certainly >>>>> bring >>>>> some folks to NC in March for our student seminar. Our seminar is big >>>>> enough now that we welcome people from all states. We aren't quite >>>>> neighbors, but that's why we have airports. >>>>> >>>>> Feel free to contact me off-list about this if you want, too. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck! >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> Justin M. Salisbury >>>>> Undergraduate Student >>>>> The University Honors Program >>>>> East Carolina University >>>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>>> >>>>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>>> change >>>>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET >>>>> MEAD >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:20:19 -0500 >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, >>>>> for my state >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>>> >>>>> On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>> I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off >>>>>> list. >>>>>> I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in >>>>>> Arkansas. >>>>>> Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. >>>>>> Who is? >>>>>> My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. >>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Wed Sep 7 23:55:48 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 18:55:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A great article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've stayed out of this thread to be one less voice continuing the circle we move about in with this topic. That being said, I've decided to jump in and add my two-cents, though quite a few have covered most of the bases. Arielle eloquently articulated the underlying message, which is we should not shy away from questioning in order to learn and grow. Making judgments and classifying people for choosing one organization over another, does not provide help in the selection process, and it usually turns people off from a particular organization. Respect is something we should give all people regardless of organization affiliations, personal philosophies of blindness, skills used or not used, as well as bigger societal issues such as race, religion and sexual orientation. We can disagree and encourage specific avenues, but we can still be respectful. Even when others are disrespectful to us, we make choices of how we respond; we are in complete control of these choices, so we can choose to ignore ignorant, spiteful, ridiculous comments and remain respectful. As cheesy as it is, you do catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I'm Irish and German so I have quite the temper! I know how difficult it is to be calm and collected when someone not just disagrees, but disagrees aggressively and rudely. Again, though, we can't expect people to join an organization if members appear to be militant and don't allow questioning or sharing information not originating from that organization. People don't respond well to attitudes aggressive and judgmental in tone. That being said, I agree with Dave; the NFB and ACB have opposing philosophies and approaches to blindness, and since the ACB grew out of dissension, there is no way to mesh the two. Personally, I don't think the Democrat, Republican analogy adequately describes these differences. For me, it's more like the Catholic church and the Lutheran church- Lutheranism stemmed from those opposing many beliefs and practices in the Catholic church, developing into a separate denomination that, while sharing many, many tenants, there are a few fundamental practices and beliefs in discord with one another, creating two vastly different sects of Christianity, though they seem similar at first glance. Yes, both NFB and ACB serve blind people and our needs; both work to maintain a balance between those "speaking" for the blind and the blind speaking for themselves; both adopt resolutions and have a political presence. Once you look past the surface, though, you realize how different the two are, and how different their perspective is regarding blindness and what is best for blind people. I've known fiercely independent ACB members, who seem to follow a philosophy closer to the NFB's, and I've known NFB members who were quite content to rely on others for every little thing and didn't believe blind people are capable of much. And of course vice versus. However, at their cores, not only do the philosophies clash, but expectations and what's deemed important for the blind, are fundamentally different. I like to look at it this way: The ACB accepts you right where you're at. If you want to pursue a college degree in nuclear physics, great, but if you want to sit on the couch all day letting others assist you with daily functions, that's okay too. They don't challenge; there are no expectations. The NFB on the other hand believes blind people are capable of much more than is generally thought, and we challenge one another to leave our comfort zones and discover ourselves and the world around us. Yes, the person sitting on the couch day after day is capable of so much more, and if they had the encouragement and guidance to explore, they will find new, exciting experiences open to them as an individual, and they will also further the message that blind people are equal. This is another difference I've observed; The NFB doesn't believe in an hierarchy of blindness. Totally blind, useable vision, totally sighted- there's no difference in the abilities, just in some of the methods and tools used to do things. We encourage the use of alternative skills because in most cases, they are more efficient than constantly struggling to use what vision some of us may still retain, and often, a combination of the two, allows us to be as efficient as possible. The NFB finds sight not to be crucial or even easier, but an added convenience. The ACB, based on my observations, has a rigid hierarchy often labeling totally blind people as less capable, perpetuating the idea that the more sight you have, the better off you are. They don't collectively encourage alternative skills for those still retaining vision, instead forcing many who would benefit from these skills to continue using vision that statistically is not very efficient. Example, a few years back, while training at the Iowa Department for the Blind, I, along with eight other students, was chosen to visit another state rehab agency for the blind with IDB staff. I was told, by an employee of this agency and an ACB member, that I would never be as well off because I'm totally blind. Meanwhile, I traveled around the entire facility and had it figured out in a couple of days (and I'm no travel master) while students of this agency who had been there for months, many of them with useable vision, had no clue how to get from one end of the facility to the other. Three days into the visit, I and another IDB student, took a city bus and investigated the downtown area, never having been there before, while the same students mentioned previously were not only astounded we did this on our own, but that we were allowed to travel a route not familiar to us, and never traveling it without sighted assistance first. I use this to illustrate how inefficient many of those students were, lacking skills, and confidence, that could have made them more efficient. Instead, they were taught that sight is better and that blindness doesn't afford one much independence. At the end of the week, those students were thirsty for more. Their eyes had been opened, and we discovered later that many of them were demanding similar instruction as IDB had presented. People like to say the NFB is against sight because of the encouragement and support to learn and use alternative skills, but this is not true at all. In the NFB, the goal is to be as capable, confident and efficient as you can be. Based on studies, skills like Braille or using software like JAWS, or combining alternative skills with vision, make for a much more capable, confident and efficient blind person than those only using sight. The two organizations can't join forces, though we may support causes individually, because the fundamentals can not mix- like water and oil. We can't view each in the same light. Obviously we must decide what we think and believe, but as Dave says, sometimes the approach to each organization is idealistic, and at the end of the day, we can't expect to find equal ground between the two. The article in question with this thread discusses generic tips and information any organization could post. Subscribers to the list should be mindful, though, of the material posted coming from the ACB. I don't believe in censorship, and discussing subjects is a great way to decipher and digest info, allowing us to draw conclusions, but if we start posting philosophy vastly different from the NFB's, we need to be mindful of how we present it. Questioning is a good thing, but we also want to ensure no one confuses issues and philosophies specific to and vital to the foundation of NABS . Again, I would leave it to the list moderator to check anyone posting inappropriate info. And we need to realize there's a way to discuss and debate without being condescending or judging. Arguing is an art form, and those who master it can articulate an intelligent, constructive argument, providing a back-and-forth that is not personal in nature or negative in its tone. When articles like this are posted, the intent isn't meant to be subversive and covert, sneaking in material in an attempt to change this list and the organization. Even if the info appears dodgy at times, most of us just want to challenge, inform, learn and grow. Adopting militant attitudes and approaching these posts with email bombs, as I refer to them, does not cultivate an environment rich for growth. More than likely, it will turn people away, or peek curiosities and send readers on their merry way to further investigate other organizations and schools of thought. As academics- as in this list is dedicated to academic pursuits and issues- we should foster commradorie in our discussions and disagreements, challenging rather than condescending to or intimidating and shunning, nurture rather than create negativity and dissension; find a diplomatic approach and work to be welcoming and even-tempered, this will draw members more than militant attacks that seem to censor instead of crafting an intelligent argument that will likely be more effective. And now I end this novel. I guess my goal should be to construct shorter posts! LOL Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 05:51:30 -0500 From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Joshua et al: I think that some people are a bit idealistic when it comes to relations with the ACB. It is important to remember that they were born out of opposition to the NFB and how we do things. So, if you take away from them being against us, and doing things differently, there just isn't much left. So, you may be expecting more than they can deliver. Dave From aubielynn at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 00:27:55 2011 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 16:27:55 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students for my state In-Reply-To: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA061B1E0B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA061B1E0B@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <002c01cc6dbe$28586fc0$79094f40$@com> Ah, but how would one form a student organization in Alaska? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Salisbury, Justin Mark Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 1:36 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students for my state Hi Joshua, Have you heard about the conference call that will take place on Sunday, September 11, called "The ABCs of NABS Reps?" Ironically, the North Carolina ABS (of which I am President) will be with a national rep at our first-ever student track at the NFB of NC state convention this weekend. I definitely recommend attending that call because they can talk about how a NABS rep coming to your state can help you start a student division. Having strong support from the NFB of Arkansas president in your efforts to establish a student division can be quite helpful. Gary Ray, president of the NFB of North Carolina, believes very much in our importance. If you question how big a priority a students division is to your state president, encourage her to talk to her fellow affiliate presidents about the value of a student division. If you can coordinate an interested group of people from Arkansas to attend a function of an Association of Blind Students in a neighboring state, that might help inspire the students, too. You can certainly bring some folks to NC in March for our student seminar. Our seminar is big enough now that we welcome people from all states. We aren't quite neighbors, but that's why we have airports. Feel free to contact me off-list about this if you want, too. Good luck! Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:20:19 -0500 From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, for my state Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off > list. > I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in Arkansas. > Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. > Who is? > My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.com From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 01:03:23 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:03:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: <8501D48F-C2F5-496D-B2E5-97CB9CB75877@gmail.com> References: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> <0A0A2B6B-F64C-4F77-9C6A-147076BC351C@gmail.com> <8501D48F-C2F5-496D-B2E5-97CB9CB75877@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark: What is the list you are on with 700 mac users? I would like to subscribe to it. Well, I don't really use intense applications. I mainly browse the web a lot, listen to music all the time (I purchase lots of music), do word processing, and other things like that. I don't have any vision so I'm not playing graphical games or anything like that. Having said all that, with so many apps in the store who knows what I'll want to do once I really get the hang of using the mac and discover other apps that work with Voiceover. Maybe I'll just go with the air. I guess I just want to make the best decision for paying such a high price and get the best bang for my buck. Keep the opinions/info coming. I want to make the best decision possible since a mac is so expensive. Kerri On 9/7/11, Marc Workman wrote: > I'm not sure it's purely a matter of preference. I don't know, I suppose if > the issue is that I prefer to be able to browse in a variety of ways > depending on the situation (e.g., line-by-line, paragraph-by-paragraph, or > or from top to bottom), and I prefer to be able to select text with as few > steps as possible, then I guess it's preference, but I really can't imagine > why anyone would prefer less flexibility and a larger number of steps to > accomplish a task when browsing the web. > > I've transitioned from snow leopard to lion, and the Mac mini is > considerably slower with 2 Gb of ram. I used to be able to have a dozen > apps open, and switching back and forth did not result in busy messages, but > now I get such messages even when running only two or three apps. It also > takes much longer to wake from sleep. Perhaps the Air with the SSD does not > have these issues, but I'm on a list with 700 or so Mac users, and consensus > seems to be that you can run lion on 2 Gb (technically you can run it on 1 > Gb, as I had to do for 10 days), but if you can afford it, get a machine > with 4 Gb. Of course, this all depends on how hard you push the machine. > > To turn on quick nab, just hit the left and right arrows at the same time. > The same action will turn it off. Whether single letter navigation when > quick nab is on is enabled by default, I'm not sure, but you can easily set > this preference in the VO utility. > > I only have the mini now, so I can't comment on the Air vs. the Pro. If you > don't need the processing power, then the Air is the slimmer, lighter, and, > in some ways, faster machine. > > Best, > > Marc > On 2011-09-07, at 12:27 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > >> As you said, it's really a matter of what you prefer. I don't need to >> browse line by line and don't find the VoiceOver method to select text >> slow or annoying, so I'm fine with browsing the internet on my Mac. As I >> said on my previous email, if you get a Macbook Air with 2GB of ram it >> will run lion just fine because of the SSD. I'm pretty sure that all >> Macbook Pro models come with 4GB ram these days. >> On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Marc Workman wrote: >> >>> Personally, I don't enjoy browsing on the Mac. This is mainly because I >>> like to move down a page line by line, and this is not possible on the >>> Mac, unless I'm missing something; in which case, I'd love to be >>> enlightened. Also, selecting text while browsing involves a series of >>> steps, which I have still not learned. Don't plan on just holding shift >>> and hitting the down arrow because that ain't happening. >>> >>> I love the mac for mail, iTunes, RSS feeds, and a few other applications, >>> but I am way more efficient with JAWS and a PC if I'm going to spend time >>> on the internet, or if I'm going to do serious text editing. >>> >>> Lastly, if you get a Mac, I would recommend getting something with 4 Gb. >>> You can run Lion, the latest operating system with 2 Gb, but I'm finding >>> my Mac mini, bought in December 2010, quite sluggish with only 2 Gb. And >>> this is with a monitor plugged in, which if you are thinking of getting a >>> Mac mini because it's cheaper, you will also have to do. They are very >>> sluggish if a monitor is not attached. >>> >>> Don't get me wrong, I really like my Mac, but they are not without their >>> problems. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Marc >>> On 2011-09-06, at 6:05 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet >>>> with Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the >>>> introduction of single key navigation on websites finding links, headers >>>> etc is really quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to >>>> automatically interact with the HTML content when the page is loaded if >>>> you want to. >>>> As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but >>>> it won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all >>>> for you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you >>>> will be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without >>>> problems. Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably >>>> find yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also >>>> have the item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life >>>> easier. Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to >>>> navigate the internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs >>>> I've had much better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for >>>> example. >>>> As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. >>>> If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would >>>> definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the >>>> bigger 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, >>>> Macbook Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do >>>> ship with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes >>>> with a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the >>>> computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air >>>> will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just >>>> booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love >>>> with the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air >>>> models have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an >>>> external one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive >>>> offered by Apple is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case >>>> and it never bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for >>>> processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If >>>> you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the >>>> processor to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This >>>> will make your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle >>>> future versions of the operating system a little better. >>>> Let me know if you have any more questions! >>>> >>>> IC >>>> >>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone! >>>>> >>>>> I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and >>>>> whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my >>>>> netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the >>>>> voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide >>>>> together. While going through this she did let me play a little with >>>>> the mac. >>>>> >>>>> I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is >>>>> quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't >>>>> that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had >>>>> some questions befoore making a final decision. >>>>> >>>>> What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. >>>>> Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? >>>>> >>>>> I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I >>>>> have listened to her use it while she has done research for her >>>>> homework. >>>>> >>>>> Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text >>>>> of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and >>>>> then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the >>>>> internet. >>>>> >>>>> How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have >>>>> lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does >>>>> voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of >>>>> webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am >>>>> referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or >>>>> www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does >>>>> voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots >>>>> of flash, and have lots of links/headings? >>>>> >>>>> If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the >>>>> macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the >>>>> air? >>>>> >>>>> I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed >>>>> that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and >>>>> a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big >>>>> difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is >>>>> it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. >>>>> >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Thu Sep 8 01:51:51 2011 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:51:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A great article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Bridgit, In your post, you state, "The NFB on the other hand believes blind people are capable of much more than is generally thought, and we challenge one another to leave our comfort zones and discover ourselves and the world around us." While I will agree with you that the NFB believes in the capabilities of blind people, I really wonder how the NFB challenges and supports each and every individual within the organization. Perhaps it is different in different parts of the country, but I am not quite sure how well this attitude and philosophy holds true on a local level. On one hand, the NFB does not claim to have a system of hierarchy, yet at the same time, it seems to pick and choose who they are willing and not willing to help in a time of need. When certain people face discrimination based on their blindness, the NFB seems to rally around them and provide them with all the support they need. However, at the same time, there are other people who face the exact same kind of discrimination, and they are forced to deal with it on their own without being able to receive much if any support from the NFB. I am sorry, but this only seems rather hypocritical to me. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:55 PM To: Subject: [nabs-l] A great article > I've stayed out of this thread to be one less voice continuing the > circle we move about in with this topic. That being said, I've decided > to jump in and add my two-cents, though quite a few have covered most of > the bases. > > Arielle eloquently articulated the underlying message, which is we > should not shy away from questioning in order to learn and grow. Making > judgments and classifying people for choosing one organization over > another, does not provide help in the selection process, and it usually > turns people off from a particular organization. Respect is something we > should give all people regardless of organization affiliations, personal > philosophies of blindness, skills used or not used, as well as bigger > societal issues such as race, religion and sexual orientation. We can > disagree and encourage specific avenues, but we can still be respectful. > Even when others are disrespectful to us, we make choices of how we > respond; we are in complete control of these choices, so we can choose > to ignore ignorant, spiteful, ridiculous comments and remain respectful. > As cheesy as it is, you do catch more flies with honey than vinegar. > > I'm Irish and German so I have quite the temper! I know how difficult it > is to be calm and collected when someone not just disagrees, but > disagrees aggressively and rudely. Again, though, we can't expect people > to join an organization if members appear to be militant and don't allow > questioning or sharing information not originating from that > organization. People don't respond well to attitudes aggressive and > judgmental in tone. > > That being said, I agree with Dave; the NFB and ACB have opposing > philosophies and approaches to blindness, and since the ACB grew out of > dissension, there is no way to mesh the two. Personally, I don't think > the Democrat, Republican analogy adequately describes these > differences. For me, it's more like the Catholic church and the Lutheran > church- Lutheranism stemmed from those opposing many beliefs and > practices in the Catholic church, developing into a separate > denomination that, while sharing many, many tenants, there are a few > fundamental practices and beliefs in discord with one another, creating > two vastly different sects of Christianity, though they seem similar at > first glance. > > Yes, both NFB and ACB serve blind people and our needs; both work to > maintain a balance between those "speaking" for the blind and the blind > speaking for themselves; both adopt resolutions and have a political > presence. Once you look past the surface, though, you realize how > different the two are, and how different their perspective is regarding > blindness and what is best for blind people. > > I've known fiercely independent ACB members, who seem to follow a > philosophy closer to the NFB's, and I've known NFB members who were > quite content to rely on others for every little thing and didn't > believe blind people are capable of much. And of course vice versus. > However, at their cores, not only do the philosophies clash, but > expectations and what's deemed important for the blind, are > fundamentally different. > > I like to look at it this way: The ACB accepts you right where you're > at. If you want to pursue a college degree in nuclear physics, great, > but if you want to sit on the couch all day letting others assist you > with daily functions, that's okay too. They don't challenge; there are > no expectations. The NFB on the other hand believes blind people are > capable of much more than is generally thought, and we challenge one > another to leave our comfort zones and discover ourselves and the world > around us. Yes, the person sitting on the couch day after day is capable > of so much more, and if they had the encouragement and guidance to > explore, they will find new, exciting experiences open to them as an > individual, and they will also further the message that blind people are > equal. > > This is another difference I've observed; The NFB doesn't believe in an > hierarchy of blindness. Totally blind, useable vision, totally sighted- > there's no difference in the abilities, just in some of the methods and > tools used to do things. We encourage the use of alternative skills > because in most cases, they are more efficient than constantly > struggling to use what vision some of us may still retain, and often, a > combination of the two, allows us to be as efficient as possible. The > NFB finds sight not to be crucial or even easier, but an added > convenience. The ACB, based on my observations, has a rigid hierarchy > often labeling totally blind people as less capable, perpetuating the > idea that the more sight you have, the better off you are. They don't > collectively encourage alternative skills for those still retaining > vision, instead forcing many who would benefit from these skills to > continue using vision that statistically is not very efficient. > > Example, a few years back, while training at the Iowa Department for the > Blind, I, along with eight other students, was chosen to visit another > state rehab agency for the blind with IDB staff. I was told, by an > employee of this agency and an ACB member, that I would never be as well > off because I'm totally blind. Meanwhile, I traveled around the entire > facility and had it figured out in a couple of days (and I'm no travel > master) while students of this agency who had been there for months, > many of them with useable vision, had no clue how to get from one end of > the facility to the other. Three days into the visit, I and another IDB > student, took a city bus and investigated the downtown area, never > having been there before, while the same students mentioned previously > were not only astounded we did this on our own, but that we were allowed > to travel a route not familiar to us, and never traveling it without > sighted assistance first. I use this to illustrate how inefficient many > of those students were, lacking skills, and confidence, that could have > made them more efficient. Instead, they were taught that sight is better > and that blindness doesn't afford one much independence. At the end of > the week, those students were thirsty for more. Their eyes had been > opened, and we discovered later that many of them were demanding similar > instruction as IDB had presented. > > People like to say the NFB is against sight because of the encouragement > and support to learn and use alternative skills, but this is not true at > all. In the NFB, the goal is to be as capable, confident and efficient > as you can be. Based on studies, skills like Braille or using software > like JAWS, or combining alternative skills with vision, make for a much > more capable, confident and efficient blind person than those only using > sight. > > The two organizations can't join forces, though we may support causes > individually, because the fundamentals can not mix- like water and oil. > We can't view each in the same light. Obviously we must decide what we > think and believe, but as Dave says, sometimes the approach to each > organization is idealistic, and at the end of the day, we can't expect > to find equal ground between the two. > > The article in question with this thread discusses generic tips and > information any organization could post. Subscribers to the list should > be mindful, though, of the material posted coming from the ACB. I don't > believe in censorship, and discussing subjects is a great way to > decipher and digest info, allowing us to draw conclusions, but if we > start posting philosophy vastly different from the NFB's, we need to be > mindful of how we present it. Questioning is a good thing, but we also > want to ensure no one confuses issues and philosophies specific to and > vital to the foundation of NABS . > > Again, I would leave it to the list moderator to check anyone posting > inappropriate info. And we need to realize there's a way to discuss and > debate without being condescending or judging. Arguing is an art form, > and those who master it can articulate an intelligent, constructive > argument, providing a back-and-forth that is not personal in nature or > negative in its tone. When articles like this are posted, the intent > isn't meant to be subversive and covert, sneaking in material in an > attempt to change this list and the organization. Even if the info > appears dodgy at times, most of us just want to challenge, inform, learn > and grow. Adopting militant attitudes and approaching these posts with > email bombs, as I refer to them, does not cultivate an environment rich > for growth. More than likely, it will turn people away, or peek > curiosities and send readers on their merry way to further investigate > other organizations and schools of thought. As academics- as in this > list is dedicated to academic pursuits and issues- we should foster > commradorie in our discussions and disagreements, challenging rather > than condescending to or intimidating and shunning, nurture rather than > create negativity and dissension; find a diplomatic approach and work to > be welcoming and even-tempered, this will draw members more than > militant attacks that seem to censor instead of crafting an intelligent > argument that will likely be more effective. > > And now I end this novel. I guess my goal should be to construct shorter > posts! LOL > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 05:51:30 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a great article > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Joshua et al: > > I think that some people are a bit idealistic when it comes to > relations with the ACB. It is important to remember that they were > born out of opposition to the NFB and how we do things. So, if you > take away from them being against us, and doing things differently, > there just isn't much left. So, you may be expecting more than they > can deliver. > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From hannahgf11 at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 04:25:08 2011 From: hannahgf11 at gmail.com (Hannah Furney) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 23:25:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks All for the Welcome! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001f01cc6ddf$4b3daed0$e1b90c70$@gmail.com> Hi Danielle, I will email you off the list. Thanks, Hannah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Antoine Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:26 AM To: nabs-L at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks All for the Welcome! Hello everyone, Thanks very much for the warm and encouraging welcome. I won't hesitate to ask questions and I'm sure I'll have a lot. I'm glad to have folks to go to especially about blindness and low vision as most people don't understand the added challenges that comes with that. I also like and appreciate the positivity hear. rania, massage therapy sounds interesting and I'm wondering about some ways you do your job and what are some of the techniques and challenges you encountered in school and the outcome? Hannah, I think that's pretty neat that you do both traditional and online class simultaneously. Do you prefer one to the other? Yall have a great day. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hannahgf11%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 15:04:01 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 11:04:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> <0A0A2B6B-F64C-4F77-9C6A-147076BC351C@gmail.com> <8501D48F-C2F5-496D-B2E5-97CB9CB75877@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kerri, From what you say, I think the 11 inch air will do everything it needs to do for you, and probably a lot more. I don't know if you're interested, but you can buy refurbished products directly from the Apple online store. On a Macbook air you would probably save $100 or a little more, and you really won't even notice that it's a refurbished product. I've personally had great experiences with refurbished stuff from Apple. If you get a refurbished air, you can spend the extra $100 on the external cd/dvd drive, for example. A Macbook air is more or less like a netbook and it looks like it would be the most natural switch for you. It's very light and works great. IC On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Mark: > > What is the list you are on with 700 mac users? I would like to subscribe to it. > > Well, I don't really use intense applications. I mainly browse the web > a lot, listen to music all the time (I purchase lots of music), do > word processing, and other things like that. I don't have any vision > so I'm not playing graphical games or anything like that. > > Having said all that, with so many apps in the store who knows what > I'll want to do once I really get the hang of using the mac and > discover other apps that work with Voiceover. Maybe I'll just go with > the air. I guess I just want to make the best decision for paying such > a high price and get the best bang for my buck. Keep the opinions/info > coming. I want to make the best decision possible since a mac is so > expensive. > > Kerri > > > On 9/7/11, Marc Workman wrote: >> I'm not sure it's purely a matter of preference. I don't know, I suppose if >> the issue is that I prefer to be able to browse in a variety of ways >> depending on the situation (e.g., line-by-line, paragraph-by-paragraph, or >> or from top to bottom), and I prefer to be able to select text with as few >> steps as possible, then I guess it's preference, but I really can't imagine >> why anyone would prefer less flexibility and a larger number of steps to >> accomplish a task when browsing the web. >> >> I've transitioned from snow leopard to lion, and the Mac mini is >> considerably slower with 2 Gb of ram. I used to be able to have a dozen >> apps open, and switching back and forth did not result in busy messages, but >> now I get such messages even when running only two or three apps. It also >> takes much longer to wake from sleep. Perhaps the Air with the SSD does not >> have these issues, but I'm on a list with 700 or so Mac users, and consensus >> seems to be that you can run lion on 2 Gb (technically you can run it on 1 >> Gb, as I had to do for 10 days), but if you can afford it, get a machine >> with 4 Gb. Of course, this all depends on how hard you push the machine. >> >> To turn on quick nab, just hit the left and right arrows at the same time. >> The same action will turn it off. Whether single letter navigation when >> quick nab is on is enabled by default, I'm not sure, but you can easily set >> this preference in the VO utility. >> >> I only have the mini now, so I can't comment on the Air vs. the Pro. If you >> don't need the processing power, then the Air is the slimmer, lighter, and, >> in some ways, faster machine. >> >> Best, >> >> Marc >> On 2011-09-07, at 12:27 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> As you said, it's really a matter of what you prefer. I don't need to >>> browse line by line and don't find the VoiceOver method to select text >>> slow or annoying, so I'm fine with browsing the internet on my Mac. As I >>> said on my previous email, if you get a Macbook Air with 2GB of ram it >>> will run lion just fine because of the SSD. I'm pretty sure that all >>> Macbook Pro models come with 4GB ram these days. >>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Marc Workman wrote: >>> >>>> Personally, I don't enjoy browsing on the Mac. This is mainly because I >>>> like to move down a page line by line, and this is not possible on the >>>> Mac, unless I'm missing something; in which case, I'd love to be >>>> enlightened. Also, selecting text while browsing involves a series of >>>> steps, which I have still not learned. Don't plan on just holding shift >>>> and hitting the down arrow because that ain't happening. >>>> >>>> I love the mac for mail, iTunes, RSS feeds, and a few other applications, >>>> but I am way more efficient with JAWS and a PC if I'm going to spend time >>>> on the internet, or if I'm going to do serious text editing. >>>> >>>> Lastly, if you get a Mac, I would recommend getting something with 4 Gb. >>>> You can run Lion, the latest operating system with 2 Gb, but I'm finding >>>> my Mac mini, bought in December 2010, quite sluggish with only 2 Gb. And >>>> this is with a monitor plugged in, which if you are thinking of getting a >>>> Mac mini because it's cheaper, you will also have to do. They are very >>>> sluggish if a monitor is not attached. >>>> >>>> Don't get me wrong, I really like my Mac, but they are not without their >>>> problems. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Marc >>>> On 2011-09-06, at 6:05 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet >>>>> with Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the >>>>> introduction of single key navigation on websites finding links, headers >>>>> etc is really quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to >>>>> automatically interact with the HTML content when the page is loaded if >>>>> you want to. >>>>> As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but >>>>> it won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all >>>>> for you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you >>>>> will be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without >>>>> problems. Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably >>>>> find yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also >>>>> have the item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life >>>>> easier. Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to >>>>> navigate the internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs >>>>> I've had much better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for >>>>> example. >>>>> As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. >>>>> If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would >>>>> definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the >>>>> bigger 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, >>>>> Macbook Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do >>>>> ship with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes >>>>> with a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the >>>>> computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air >>>>> will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just >>>>> booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love >>>>> with the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air >>>>> models have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an >>>>> external one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive >>>>> offered by Apple is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case >>>>> and it never bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for >>>>> processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If >>>>> you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the >>>>> processor to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This >>>>> will make your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle >>>>> future versions of the operating system a little better. >>>>> Let me know if you have any more questions! >>>>> >>>>> IC >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone! >>>>>> >>>>>> I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and >>>>>> whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my >>>>>> netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the >>>>>> voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide >>>>>> together. While going through this she did let me play a little with >>>>>> the mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is >>>>>> quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't >>>>>> that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had >>>>>> some questions befoore making a final decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. >>>>>> Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I >>>>>> have listened to her use it while she has done research for her >>>>>> homework. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text >>>>>> of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and >>>>>> then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the >>>>>> internet. >>>>>> >>>>>> How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have >>>>>> lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does >>>>>> voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of >>>>>> webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am >>>>>> referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or >>>>>> www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does >>>>>> voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots >>>>>> of flash, and have lots of links/headings? >>>>>> >>>>>> If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the >>>>>> macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the >>>>>> air? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed >>>>>> that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and >>>>>> a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big >>>>>> difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is >>>>>> it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kerri >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 16:44:10 2011 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:44:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> <0A0A2B6B-F64C-4F77-9C6A-147076BC351C@gmail.com> <8501D48F-C2F5-496D-B2E5-97CB9CB75877@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3C82ED7D-7D61-4B27-ACF9-F02137C88731@gmail.com> The list is macvisionaries at googlegroups.com. They have archives that I found very useful when first getting started. There are also many podcasts on doing various things with the Mac. In particular, I've listened to Mike Arrigo's series of podcasts on Blind Cool Tech, which you should have no trouble finding through a google search. For a critical perspective on the Mac, which is valuable but which is not always delivered in the most productive way, I recommend Voiceover On, available through iTunes and co-hosted by a member of this list, Kevin Chao. Lastly, David Woodbridge has done a series of tutorials for Vision Australia that you might find useful. I second the suggestion to check out a refurbished product from Apple. Haven't done it myself, but I've heard it's a great way to save a bit of cash. HTH Marc On 2011-09-07, at 7:03 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Mark: > > What is the list you are on with 700 mac users? I would like to subscribe to it. > > Well, I don't really use intense applications. I mainly browse the web > a lot, listen to music all the time (I purchase lots of music), do > word processing, and other things like that. I don't have any vision > so I'm not playing graphical games or anything like that. > > Having said all that, with so many apps in the store who knows what > I'll want to do once I really get the hang of using the mac and > discover other apps that work with Voiceover. Maybe I'll just go with > the air. I guess I just want to make the best decision for paying such > a high price and get the best bang for my buck. Keep the opinions/info > coming. I want to make the best decision possible since a mac is so > expensive. > > Kerri > > > On 9/7/11, Marc Workman wrote: >> I'm not sure it's purely a matter of preference. I don't know, I suppose if >> the issue is that I prefer to be able to browse in a variety of ways >> depending on the situation (e.g., line-by-line, paragraph-by-paragraph, or >> or from top to bottom), and I prefer to be able to select text with as few >> steps as possible, then I guess it's preference, but I really can't imagine >> why anyone would prefer less flexibility and a larger number of steps to >> accomplish a task when browsing the web. >> >> I've transitioned from snow leopard to lion, and the Mac mini is >> considerably slower with 2 Gb of ram. I used to be able to have a dozen >> apps open, and switching back and forth did not result in busy messages, but >> now I get such messages even when running only two or three apps. It also >> takes much longer to wake from sleep. Perhaps the Air with the SSD does not >> have these issues, but I'm on a list with 700 or so Mac users, and consensus >> seems to be that you can run lion on 2 Gb (technically you can run it on 1 >> Gb, as I had to do for 10 days), but if you can afford it, get a machine >> with 4 Gb. Of course, this all depends on how hard you push the machine. >> >> To turn on quick nab, just hit the left and right arrows at the same time. >> The same action will turn it off. Whether single letter navigation when >> quick nab is on is enabled by default, I'm not sure, but you can easily set >> this preference in the VO utility. >> >> I only have the mini now, so I can't comment on the Air vs. the Pro. If you >> don't need the processing power, then the Air is the slimmer, lighter, and, >> in some ways, faster machine. >> >> Best, >> >> Marc >> On 2011-09-07, at 12:27 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> As you said, it's really a matter of what you prefer. I don't need to >>> browse line by line and don't find the VoiceOver method to select text >>> slow or annoying, so I'm fine with browsing the internet on my Mac. As I >>> said on my previous email, if you get a Macbook Air with 2GB of ram it >>> will run lion just fine because of the SSD. I'm pretty sure that all >>> Macbook Pro models come with 4GB ram these days. >>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Marc Workman wrote: >>> >>>> Personally, I don't enjoy browsing on the Mac. This is mainly because I >>>> like to move down a page line by line, and this is not possible on the >>>> Mac, unless I'm missing something; in which case, I'd love to be >>>> enlightened. Also, selecting text while browsing involves a series of >>>> steps, which I have still not learned. Don't plan on just holding shift >>>> and hitting the down arrow because that ain't happening. >>>> >>>> I love the mac for mail, iTunes, RSS feeds, and a few other applications, >>>> but I am way more efficient with JAWS and a PC if I'm going to spend time >>>> on the internet, or if I'm going to do serious text editing. >>>> >>>> Lastly, if you get a Mac, I would recommend getting something with 4 Gb. >>>> You can run Lion, the latest operating system with 2 Gb, but I'm finding >>>> my Mac mini, bought in December 2010, quite sluggish with only 2 Gb. And >>>> this is with a monitor plugged in, which if you are thinking of getting a >>>> Mac mini because it's cheaper, you will also have to do. They are very >>>> sluggish if a monitor is not attached. >>>> >>>> Don't get me wrong, I really like my Mac, but they are not without their >>>> problems. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Marc >>>> On 2011-09-06, at 6:05 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet >>>>> with Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the >>>>> introduction of single key navigation on websites finding links, headers >>>>> etc is really quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to >>>>> automatically interact with the HTML content when the page is loaded if >>>>> you want to. >>>>> As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but >>>>> it won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all >>>>> for you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you >>>>> will be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without >>>>> problems. Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably >>>>> find yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also >>>>> have the item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life >>>>> easier. Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to >>>>> navigate the internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs >>>>> I've had much better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for >>>>> example. >>>>> As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. >>>>> If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would >>>>> definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the >>>>> bigger 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, >>>>> Macbook Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do >>>>> ship with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes >>>>> with a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the >>>>> computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air >>>>> will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just >>>>> booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love >>>>> with the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air >>>>> models have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an >>>>> external one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive >>>>> offered by Apple is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case >>>>> and it never bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for >>>>> processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If >>>>> you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the >>>>> processor to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This >>>>> will make your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle >>>>> future versions of the operating system a little better. >>>>> Let me know if you have any more questions! >>>>> >>>>> IC >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone! >>>>>> >>>>>> I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and >>>>>> whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my >>>>>> netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the >>>>>> voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide >>>>>> together. While going through this she did let me play a little with >>>>>> the mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is >>>>>> quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't >>>>>> that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had >>>>>> some questions befoore making a final decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. >>>>>> Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I >>>>>> have listened to her use it while she has done research for her >>>>>> homework. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text >>>>>> of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and >>>>>> then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the >>>>>> internet. >>>>>> >>>>>> How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have >>>>>> lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does >>>>>> voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of >>>>>> webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am >>>>>> referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or >>>>>> www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does >>>>>> voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots >>>>>> of flash, and have lots of links/headings? >>>>>> >>>>>> If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the >>>>>> macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the >>>>>> air? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed >>>>>> that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and >>>>>> a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big >>>>>> difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is >>>>>> it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kerri >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 18:58:29 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 11:58:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: The National Association of Blind Students Presents: The ABC's of nabs Reps. Message-ID: Hello Fellow Students: We, the NABS Membership Committee, would like to take this time to introduce to you the topic for September’s Membership call: The ABC’s of NABS Reps! “What exactly is a NABS rep and what do they do?” “Why request to have a NABS rep at my student division meeting at state convention or another such student event?” “Okay, so I have decided that I want a rep to come, how do I go about requesting one?” If you have asked yourself any or all of the above questions or others like it from time to time, than this call is for you! Many states are having their conventions around this time, and so timing could not be any better! (We think so, anyway!). What: The ABC’s of NABS Reps When: Sunday, September 11, 7:00 PM Eastern. Where: The NABS conference line: (712) 775-7100, access code 257963. Please consider joining what we hope to be a very informative call. Respectfully, The NABS Membership Committee -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Sep 8 21:27:57 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:27:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A great article, FYI, a novel, sorry! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Elizabeth, First, I can only speak from my own experiences. I draw on my observations, thoughts and first-hand knowledge. I'm sorry if you've had a less than stellar experience to the Federation. I will more than likely be controversial now, though I don't think what I have to say is. Any organization regardless of its purpose, can be anchored by politics. As a collective, we speak with one voice, but as individuals, we are varied in our backgrounds, life experiences, culture, personality, etc. We are not robots working with minds that view everything exactly the same way. If you go looking for hypocrisy in every organization, every person, you will find it. Humans have flaws; we make mistakes. Perfection is not possible. To be honest and frank, it bothers me when people point out hypocrisies, or alleged hypocrisies, determining a group, organization, person completely useless and devoid of doing good things. Whether its consumer groups, religious groups, government, etc., there are foundational ideas or beliefs or concepts that are concrete. Does everyone follow these tenants, no. Does everyone view each situation equally, no. This doesn't mean a group is bad or wrong or not worth the time. The NFB, much like religious institutions, has a core foundation with guidelines and a philosophy shaping the structure of the organization. Unfortunately, as individuals, people don't always adhere to these views and beliefs. This does not make an entity and its fundamental values ineffective in itself. You misunderstand what I mean about hierarchies of blindness. When I said the NFB does not, as a rule, create hierarchies of blindness, I meant that regardless of what level of vision you may or may not have, the NFB, as an organization, believes we are all equal. Totally blind, useable vision, fully sighted, one is not better than another. Some organizations, and people, set sight as the standard at which we should achieve for, and the less vision you have, the worse off you are. The NFB doesn't hold this view. If individual people don't follow this thinking, it's not a reflection on the Federation's philosophy and goals. This has nothing to do with providing support or excluding people from support. Do some people receive support and others not so much? I'm sure. This has nothing to do with a hierarchy of blindness. If an affiliate or chapter doesn't seem to support some members, perhaps they aren't aware of the discrimination, or maybe resolutions were sought behind doors, and success was achieved during negotiations, in which there might not be much hoopla. Are these people speaking up asking for support? And maybe it's worse-case-scenario: an affiliate or chapter is not distributing support equally, picking and choosing who receives help and support without investigating or thinking. It's sad, but true. A NFB affiliate/chapter/division can only be as strong as it's leadership, and if the leadership is weak, the group flounders. I'm not suggesting this is true or referring to a specific NFB group, but it is possible. Maybe then something must be done then. Contact national, campaign for change. Online discussions are great and helpful, but emailing about loose stones in the foundation does nothing if it stops at the email. It's difficult to address this topic because so many variables are in play. National doesn't jump into legal actions or campaigns without first investigating the claims. Discrimination is a tricky matter, believe it or not. Perhaps they find no evidence of discrimination; maybe they are able to negotiate change during initial meetings; maybe, it's a matter best resolved through self-advocacy. Moral support is one thing. Friends and Federation members can provide information, advice, counsel, guidance, but one of the goals of the NFB is to supply us with tools and confidence to advocate for ourselves and blind issues important to us. If every time we have difficulties or believe we've been discriminated against, and we rush in with an entourage, how does this look to others? We can't come to a person on our own to discuss a situation? Of course, some situations do require an extra advocate. And sadly, we do have to take legal action against entities. But as I stated, so many variables must be reviewed in cases like this. You make a vague statement about members not receiving support, but what is this based on? Do you refer to a personal experience? Did a friend experience this? What was done on the part of the person claiming discrimination to bring awareness of their problem and make clear what has happened and what they want? The way your email reads, it's as though you expect all 50,000 members to be contacted on a daily basis, offering individual support to each. I'm assuming you don't mean this literally, but it's still unclear as to why you feel this way. I'm not suggesting your wrong in your assessment; as I said before, unfortunately, these things do happen, but without more specific information, it's hard to address this topic. In my experience, if a Federation member comes to leadership seeking support and help, it's given. If it's not requested, though, no one is aware, or, if the situation is known among the membership, but still no request is made, no one can deal with a situation, especially as adults, without permission. It doesn't mean we don't ask how things are going and extend the offer of support, but if dealing with work or school or community, we can't be a hovering mother stepping in, taking over, without permission. And no one is a mind reader. If you need support, you need to be vocal and request it. National, affiliates/chapters/divisions for that matter, can't be tuned into each individual members and their daily life. If you want something, need something, you have to step forward and speak up. Just because one person, or one group, does something you deem wrong, or acts hypocritically, how can you base an opinion on an entire organization, or members belonging to that organization? That is a preschool mentality. Again, you're vague as to how the Federation ignores some, and that it doesn't challenge. State your examples, specifics, experiences. In order to be an argument, you must have proof, or at least specific observations, backing your claims. Based on your email, you've supplied no material, no arguments, that make me inclined to think you have a point. I will pause here to spell out that this isn't an attack on your person; I'm simply stressing the fact that you make an accusation, but have no corroborating evidence. Therefore, how can I build an opinion one way or another? The Federation was created in the 1940's when blind people were afforded few rights. Beyond schools for the blind, it was rare for blind people to pursue education. Employment was near impossible for those chasing loftier goals than basket weaver, chair caner and piano tuner. Marriage, family and home was only a dream for blind people. Many of us were still shoved into institutions, usually housing psychologically and developmentally disabled people to, along with very sick, diseased people. The founders of the NFB knew blindness was not a factor holding people back from seeking things just like our sighted peers. They demanded change with the welfare system and sheltered workshops along with adjusting attitudes about blindness. State rehab agencies didn't work to create independent blind people. We were expected to accept our place on the sidelines while friends and family pursued goals, dreams- they lived while we only reflected life. The NFB stormed into government agencies demanding reform. As bad as some of us still have it, and as many agencies and groups that still cling to antiquated ideas today, speak to members who were around 30, 40, 50 years ago or more. Because of the NFB, government offices working for, and with, the blind have to allow clients to choose a training center; laws now allow us to pursue academic and professional routes; blind people can now speak for themselves and choose what they do with their life. We have far to go, and too many obstacles exist still, but at least we're moving now and not just standing in place. Until 1972, it was illegal for the blind to walk on city streets without sighted guide. We could be cited for this. Were we asked about this, no; did anyone run it by us before passing into law, no; this law, like many, was based on arbitrary ideas and the perception of reality sighted people knew for sure was truth, though none had ever been blind, and few had exposure to blindness. We had no voice; the Federation gave us that voice. The NFB was instrumental in initiating the White Cane law, allowing us freedom to choose our own method of mobility as well as the opportunity to walk freely about just like any other person. Dr. Jernigan revolutionized how centers approach training. The method he created, Structured Discovery, is the model considered the standard in blindness training. Rehab agencies all over the country still seek out facilities hoping to adopt this method. Not all centers; many disagree, but Structured Discovery is the top accepted training method today. Any good center employs this method. In fact, I only know a handful of people who didn't learn under the SD method. The Jernigan Institute is the first research center devoted to blindness, but that is also led by blind people. For once, we are initiating research that follows what we want; what we hope for. It's not non-blind people, though well-intentioned perhaps, pursuing research they think is beneficial or of interest to the blind. These are found in most NFB literature, or at least some derivative of them: It is respectable to be blind." "With proper training and opportunity, the average blind person can do the average job in the average place of business, and do it as well as sighted colleagues." "The biggest problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight, but rather the common public attitude that blind people are less capable than they truly are." "Techniques exist that make it possible for blind people to do the things they want to do at work, at home, and in their community. The primary limitations of blindness are the inability to read print and the inability to drive: nuisances, not disasters." If these statements are true (and we believe they are) then blindness can be reduced to the level of a physical nuisance. Federation philosophy is as simple and as far-reaching as this. How many other blind organizations state similar ideas? Believe them? None I know of. These statements alone challenge us to step out of our comfort zones and discover what we were once denied. Each year, the NFB continues to provide and support programs and initiatives important to blind people and the goals of the Federation. The BELL program attempts to instill Braille literacy in children while demonstrating how vital this skill is to blind people. I'd say this is a challenge. YouthSlam provides grammar school-aged students and middle and high school students an opportunity to learn math, science and computer technology, hands-on, something many never experience in their schools and aren't expected to excel at or to learn period. This certainly sounds like a challenge to me. The Federation is teaching the next generation that they are capable and worthy, and that they should live up to their full potential. The mentor/mentee program pairs people with those seeking knowledge and information. Mentees are challenged to explore possibilities and break out of the stereotypical mold. Seems like challenging is central to the success of this program. The NFB listserves have the ability to instruct and challenge. NABS posts tips and information, but also facilitates discussions challenging us to explore ideas. Those actually plugged into the Federation especially on the local level find fellow members, new and vets, and we often find ourselves challenging one another. Challenging members is not necessarily saying, "Hey you, go do this challenging exercise." Through disseminating information, creating programs and observing fellow members, many are infused with ideas that challenge them to explore, experience and question how blindness is often viewed in society. These abstract challenges can be more effective because we are allowed to draw our own conclusions and come to understandings on our own instead of being spoon fed. The Federation boasts 50,000 members. How accurate this number is, I don't know. Regardless, I'm not sure how you expect an organization like this to know every member and what is happening in their life. It's physically impossible. This is why chapters are a crucial element of the Federation. I will concede that I feel chapters do not receive the support necessary to thrive, and the importance of chapters is often misplaced and is not given proper, or enough, focus. Nonetheless, when we actively engage in whatever Federation group/activity is offered in our community or surrounding area, we network and socialize, learning and discovering new things about ourselves and the world around us. At the end of the day, the Federation philosophy is a challenge on its own. It is not crafted as a theory; it's not science fiction; it is a declaration stating how it is, setting the pace for all blind people, setting the standard. This is based on the hundreds of people who prove it daily. It's not hot air blowing up the asses of our detractors. The Federation says vision has no or little bearing on our success as a person. Blindness itself is rarely the obstacle, but it's society's attitude and perceptions that create obstacles. How is this alone not a challenge? If I belong to an organization stating it's a fact my blindness isn't the huge obstacle many think it is, and allowing myself, or anyone else, to hold me back, is because of my own inability to accept reality rather than perceptions. I can no longer continue holding myself back, remaining on the sidelines. This may be idealistic, but for those evoked with an intellectual and emotional response, we challenge ourselves to meet this standard. I don't regurgitate what I read, what I'm told. My entire life has been spent internalizing, mulling over, accepting and declining. I've made myself question and ponder theories, concepts, beliefs- joining the Federation was no different. I speak what I've experienced, and what resonates with me. You're not alone in your views, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but if you focus on the negative aspects that exist in any organization, you'll never be satisfied. If you feel so strongly about the hypocrisy and structure, be proactive. Vocalize your concerns, campaign for change, but also learn. Focus on what is good, what you enjoy. People will disappoint, make mistakes, choose wrong directions and some are intentional with motives that exclude, showing favoritism and preference. We hope people walk on higher planes, but the reality is that shit happens, and we have to deal. But if we start denouncing organizations and groups and people because they don't achieve perfection, we find ourselves stuck in a corner. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:51:51 -0400 From: "Elizabeth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A great article Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Bridgit, In your post, you state, "The NFB on the other hand believes blind people are capable of much more than is generally thought, and we challenge one another to leave our comfort zones and discover ourselves and the world around us." While I will agree with you that the NFB believes in the capabilities of blind people, I really wonder how the NFB challenges and supports each and every individual within the organization. Perhaps it is different in different parts of the country, but I am not quite sure how well this attitude and philosophy holds true on a local level. On one hand, the NFB does not claim to have a system of hierarchy, yet at the same time, it seems to pick and choose who they are willing and not willing to help in a time of need. When certain people face discrimination based on their blindness, the NFB seems to rally around them and provide them with all the support they need. However, at the same time, there are other people who face the exact same kind of discrimination, and they are forced to deal with it on their own without being able to receive much if any support from the NFB. I am sorry, but this only seems rather hypocritical to me. Elizabeth From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 21:57:08 2011 From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J Bloomgren) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:57:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions About the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <604AB176-6298-4A65-A832-3A52A9669B81@gmail.com> <0A0A2B6B-F64C-4F77-9C6A-147076BC351C@gmail.com> <8501D48F-C2F5-496D-B2E5-97CB9CB75877@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13F8E784-FD32-46E1-9555-8DF570EFA623@gmail.com> Kerry, The really sweet part about macs is that you can just walk into an Apple store, Bestbuy or any store that sells Macintosh computers. Hit Command+F5 and boom! You have Voiceover! If you need a tutorial, just follow the prompts. If not, press v and you're live! I used to call them "MacInTrash" and "Crappintosh." Man oh man do I regret saying that! Ben On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Mark: > > What is the list you are on with 700 mac users? I would like to subscribe to it. > > Well, I don't really use intense applications. I mainly browse the web > a lot, listen to music all the time (I purchase lots of music), do > word processing, and other things like that. I don't have any vision > so I'm not playing graphical games or anything like that. > > Having said all that, with so many apps in the store who knows what > I'll want to do once I really get the hang of using the mac and > discover other apps that work with Voiceover. Maybe I'll just go with > the air. I guess I just want to make the best decision for paying such > a high price and get the best bang for my buck. Keep the opinions/info > coming. I want to make the best decision possible since a mac is so > expensive. > > Kerri > > > On 9/7/11, Marc Workman wrote: >> I'm not sure it's purely a matter of preference. I don't know, I suppose if >> the issue is that I prefer to be able to browse in a variety of ways >> depending on the situation (e.g., line-by-line, paragraph-by-paragraph, or >> or from top to bottom), and I prefer to be able to select text with as few >> steps as possible, then I guess it's preference, but I really can't imagine >> why anyone would prefer less flexibility and a larger number of steps to >> accomplish a task when browsing the web. >> >> I've transitioned from snow leopard to lion, and the Mac mini is >> considerably slower with 2 Gb of ram. I used to be able to have a dozen >> apps open, and switching back and forth did not result in busy messages, but >> now I get such messages even when running only two or three apps. It also >> takes much longer to wake from sleep. Perhaps the Air with the SSD does not >> have these issues, but I'm on a list with 700 or so Mac users, and consensus >> seems to be that you can run lion on 2 Gb (technically you can run it on 1 >> Gb, as I had to do for 10 days), but if you can afford it, get a machine >> with 4 Gb. Of course, this all depends on how hard you push the machine. >> >> To turn on quick nab, just hit the left and right arrows at the same time. >> The same action will turn it off. Whether single letter navigation when >> quick nab is on is enabled by default, I'm not sure, but you can easily set >> this preference in the VO utility. >> >> I only have the mini now, so I can't comment on the Air vs. the Pro. If you >> don't need the processing power, then the Air is the slimmer, lighter, and, >> in some ways, faster machine. >> >> Best, >> >> Marc >> On 2011-09-07, at 12:27 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> As you said, it's really a matter of what you prefer. I don't need to >>> browse line by line and don't find the VoiceOver method to select text >>> slow or annoying, so I'm fine with browsing the internet on my Mac. As I >>> said on my previous email, if you get a Macbook Air with 2GB of ram it >>> will run lion just fine because of the SSD. I'm pretty sure that all >>> Macbook Pro models come with 4GB ram these days. >>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Marc Workman wrote: >>> >>>> Personally, I don't enjoy browsing on the Mac. This is mainly because I >>>> like to move down a page line by line, and this is not possible on the >>>> Mac, unless I'm missing something; in which case, I'd love to be >>>> enlightened. Also, selecting text while browsing involves a series of >>>> steps, which I have still not learned. Don't plan on just holding shift >>>> and hitting the down arrow because that ain't happening. >>>> >>>> I love the mac for mail, iTunes, RSS feeds, and a few other applications, >>>> but I am way more efficient with JAWS and a PC if I'm going to spend time >>>> on the internet, or if I'm going to do serious text editing. >>>> >>>> Lastly, if you get a Mac, I would recommend getting something with 4 Gb. >>>> You can run Lion, the latest operating system with 2 Gb, but I'm finding >>>> my Mac mini, bought in December 2010, quite sluggish with only 2 Gb. And >>>> this is with a monitor plugged in, which if you are thinking of getting a >>>> Mac mini because it's cheaper, you will also have to do. They are very >>>> sluggish if a monitor is not attached. >>>> >>>> Don't get me wrong, I really like my Mac, but they are not without their >>>> problems. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Marc >>>> On 2011-09-06, at 6:05 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> Lots of questions here… First of all, I find navigating the internet >>>>> with Safari and VoiceOver quite enjoyable. Especially with the >>>>> introduction of single key navigation on websites finding links, headers >>>>> etc is really quick and easy. You can configure VoiceOver to >>>>> automatically interact with the HTML content when the page is loaded if >>>>> you want to. >>>>> As you mentioned, Flash is completely inaccessible under Mac OS X, but >>>>> it won't bother you either. In other words, it's just not there at all >>>>> for you, so if you are browsing a website with lots of Flash content you >>>>> will be able to do everything that doesn't require Flash without >>>>> problems. Navigating cluttered websites is just fine. You will probably >>>>> find yourself using one key navigation very often, and then you also >>>>> have the item chooser menu and the web items roter to make your life >>>>> easier. Unless you absolutely need Flash, the Mac works great to >>>>> navigate the internet. With some web applications such as Google Docs >>>>> I've had much better results working with VoiceOver than with JAWS, for >>>>> example. >>>>> As for which Mac model to get, it just really depends on what you need. >>>>> If you were to choose between the two macbook air sizes, I would >>>>> definitely recommend that you get the 11 inch. It's small, and the >>>>> bigger 13 inch screen won't do much for you if you're blind. Mainly, >>>>> Macbook Airs are a lot thiner and lighter than Macbook Pros, but they do >>>>> ship with slower processors. A big advantage of the Air is that it comes >>>>> with a solid state drive instead of a hard drive. That alone makes the >>>>> computer extremely fast when using it for normal tasks. A Macbook Air >>>>> will probably feel faster to you than a Macbook Pro if you are just >>>>> booting it, browsing the web and writing text documents. I'm in love >>>>> with the 11 inch Air, but keep in mind that none of the Macbook Air >>>>> models have an optical drive built in, so you will have to purchase an >>>>> external one if you need to read CD's or DVD's. The optical drive >>>>> offered by Apple is thin and light. I usually carry it in my laptop case >>>>> and it never bothers me. Unless you are planning to use your laptop for >>>>> processor-intensive tasks, I would really recommend the 11 inch air. If >>>>> you don't mind spending a little more money I would upgrade the >>>>> processor to the faster option provided on the Apple online store. This >>>>> will make your computer a little faster, and it will probably handle >>>>> future versions of the operating system a little better. >>>>> Let me know if you have any more questions! >>>>> >>>>> IC >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone! >>>>>> >>>>>> I posted a few months ago about needing to get a new laptop and >>>>>> whether to get a windows or mac. Currently, I am still using my >>>>>> netbook. Anyway, my frend got a mac in July and we went through the >>>>>> voiceover practice mode and listened to the quick start guide >>>>>> together. While going through this she did let me play a little with >>>>>> the mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> I realized that despite what I've previously been told the mac is >>>>>> quite simple to use and though it is different from windows it isn't >>>>>> that hard to use at all. I am now considering purchasing a mac but had >>>>>> some questions befoore making a final decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is browsing Safari like on the mac? I love browsing the internet. >>>>>> Is navigating the web with safari very complicated? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have not been able to play with my friends mac using safari but I >>>>>> have listened to her use it while she has done research for her >>>>>> homework. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once you click on a link on a webpage, how do you find the html/text >>>>>> of the article to read it? Does voiceover automatically go to it and >>>>>> then you interact with it? I love reading articles and such on the >>>>>> internet. >>>>>> >>>>>> How does safari/voiceover handle webpages that are cluttered and have >>>>>> lots of flash? I know the mac doesn't support/handle flash so how does >>>>>> voiceover read these pages? Does voiceover read/handle these types of >>>>>> webpages better than Jaws/windows does? Examples of pages I am >>>>>> referring to are www.espn.com, www.cnnsi.com, or >>>>>> www.usatoday.com/sports. I guess what I am trying to ask is how does >>>>>> voiceover/safari handle webpages that are really cluttered, have lots >>>>>> of flash, and have lots of links/headings? >>>>>> >>>>>> If I decide to get a mac should I go with the macbook pro or the >>>>>> macbook air? What are the differences between the macbook pro and the >>>>>> air? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was also looking at the apple store online last night and I noticed >>>>>> that they have a 13-inch macbook pro with a I5 processor for $1200 and >>>>>> a 13-inch macbook pro with I7 processor for $1500. Is there a big >>>>>> difference particularly in speed between the I5 and I7 processors? Is >>>>>> it worth the extra $300 for the higher I7 processor? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much! If I think of any more questions I'll post. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kerri >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Sep 9 01:31:54 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 20:31:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Support the 6dot journey! 36 hours left! Message-ID: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Karina Pikhart >To: undisclosed-recipients: >Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 4:18 PM >Subject: Support the 6dot journey! 36 hours left! > >Hi All! > >Each of you has supported in so many ways my budding startup, 6dot, >that is changing the way blind people experience the world. Whether >supporting the personal development of 6dot's founders at MIT and >Stanford, or supporting the development and growth of 6dot's first >product around the world, you have all been an invaluable part of the story! > >After countless hours of development, design, redesign, and testing, >the 6dot Braille labeler is ready for manufacture. To do that, we >need to raise some money! We've raised $40k, but we're going to lose >it all unless we get to $50k in the next 36 hours! We need your >support to pledge to our project and help spread the word! > >Visit this webpage -- http://kck.st/n0AlY3 -- >watch the video, and please help us change the world!!!! > >All my best, >Karina From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Sep 9 08:43:25 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 03:43:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional representative.) I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. I don't know what else to do. I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. What's going on? If anyone would be interested, he would be. Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua From singingmywayin at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:37:22 2011 From: singingmywayin at gmail.com (Danielle Antoine) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 05:37:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] the Family Meeting is Called to Order! Message-ID: Hello everyone, First off, hello Daniel. I thoroughly enjoyed your song! You are very talented! I will def sub to your channel! thanks for sharing and keep it up! Keep using what God gave ya and best of luck and blessings! Now for Old Business: this list feels like home! One of the things I remember most about being on list are the hot button topics and the great debates! Specifically to my NFB fam, the lack of tolerance we often have for differences and the ability to be flexible and understanding. Now isn't it that way in families? We are definitely a family and I urge you all to remember that family is also loving and helpful and that when and if know one else is there family should be. After all, that is why we come together....to offer support and comfort. that is what I heard most is that this list has provided answers to questions and resources. Let's try to exercise patience, tolerance of other opinions and posts, respect of differences (after all, we are all children of God and he accepts differences and never intended for us all to behave and think the same), and build up our fellow list and organization members. Let's leave moderating to the moderators! It takes time to go through these messages and we all have plenty to take charge of off list in our own daily lives. I, also, identify with the NFB and will always be a part of such a forward-thinking proactive organization, but I do read ACB literature and access ACB Radio (which I might add has some great content and I wish NFB would do lots more audio broadcast like the entire Convention General session and some key meetings for those of us who can't attend but wish to be there in Spirit). The article was general but had some great points, thanks chris. Furthermore, Daniel's music was encouraging and uplifting. Additionally, without other points of view and information, we can't make an objective evaluation and know where we stand, what we truly believe and feel, and why. Yes, i have heard more bashing from them than us but it goes both ways and as the old adage goes, two wrongs don't make a right. Also, if we say we are the best organizzation, our character and integrity should show that in our actions and speech even when we aren't around ACB members. Lastly, I'm glad to be hear, thanks for the many welcome messages, and I love you all. God's blessings, Danie From djdan567 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:50:15 2011 From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 06:50:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the Family Meeting is Called to Order! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Danielle, I appreciate the positivity, and the compliments! They were greatly appreciated! Hope you continue to enjoy what you hear. On 9/9/11, Danielle Antoine wrote: > Hello everyone, > First off, hello Daniel. I thoroughly enjoyed your song! You are very > talented! I will def sub to your channel! thanks for sharing and keep > it up! Keep using what God gave ya and best of luck and blessings! > > Now for Old Business: > this list feels like home! One of the things I remember most about > being on list are the hot button topics and the great debates! > Specifically to my NFB fam, the lack of tolerance we often have for > differences and the ability to be flexible and understanding. Now > isn't it that way in families? We are definitely a family and I urge > you all to remember that family is also loving and helpful and that > when and if know one else is there family should be. After all, that > is why we come together....to offer support and comfort. that is what > I heard most is that this list has provided answers to questions and > resources. Let's try to exercise patience, tolerance of other opinions > and posts, respect of differences (after all, we are all children of > God and he accepts differences and never intended for us all to behave > and think the same), and build up our fellow list and organization > members. Let's leave moderating to the moderators! It takes time to go > through these messages and we all have plenty to take charge of off > list in our own daily lives. I, also, identify with the NFB and will > always be a part of such a forward-thinking proactive organization, > but I do read ACB literature and access ACB Radio (which I might add > has some great content and I wish NFB would do lots more audio > broadcast like the entire Convention General session and some key > meetings for those of us who can't attend but wish to be there in > Spirit). The article was general but had some great points, thanks > chris. Furthermore, Daniel's music was encouraging and uplifting. > Additionally, without other points of view and information, we can't > make an objective evaluation and know where we stand, what we truly > believe and feel, and why. Yes, i have heard more bashing from them > than us but it goes both ways and as the old adage goes, two wrongs > don't make a right. Also, if we say we are the best organizzation, our > character and integrity should show that in our actions and speech > even when we aren't around ACB members. Lastly, I'm glad to be hear, > thanks for the many welcome messages, and I love you all. God's > blessings, Danie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdan567%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 9 14:42:44 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:42:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Communication problems calling out specific names probably shouldn't be posted here. But general questions about getting and building student associations would be alright. I had a similar issue in Virginia. I'd call or email board members with no response. The virginia association of blind students still has meetings at state convention with a board. But I got disappointed in the group. A group should do things and communicate with each other; a group meeting once a year with no other plans was not useful to me. So I went through college and advocated for myself and did what I could to succeed. This list was helpful and still is, but the students in Virginia were not so helpful. So I know what you mean about communication challenges; but you might want to work that out with your state board members and/or regional rep. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:43 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional representative.) I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. I don't know what else to do. I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. What's going on? If anyone would be interested, he would be. Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 9 14:44:09 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:44:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also Josh, keep in mind these are volunteer positions. They have busy lives. Two days really isn't much time. I think you should wait a week until feeling frustrated and if there is no response, then follow up with this lady. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:43 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional representative.) I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. I don't know what else to do. I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. What's going on? If anyone would be interested, he would be. Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From nikkij84 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 15:12:54 2011 From: nikkij84 at gmail.com (Nikki Jackson) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 11:12:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14015AED-B9A7-415F-8994-390A287CCD9F@gmail.com> Hi Joshua, I totally agree with Ashley. Many people are busy so if you don't receive a response immediately, don't get discouraged. Also, if you are looking for ways to develop your student division, you should try networking with other division presidents. You might come across some creative ideas. I hope this was helpful. Best of luck! Nikki Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional representative.) > I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. > I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. > I don't know what else to do. > I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. > What's going on? > If anyone would be interested, he would be. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nikkij84%40gmail.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 9 15:42:24 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:42:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication References: Message-ID: <000701cc6f07$12326ad0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good morning everyone, This is a chronic problem all over the country so I don't blame him for being frustrated. The best way for affiliate board members to avoid being called out publically is to respond to member issues and concerns in a timely manner. The fact that individuals were called out on this list is a symptom of a serious problem in this organization. If the problem is fixed this wouldn't happen and activities and federation business would be delt with in a more timely manner. The excuse that these are busy people with other commitments beyond the NFB is a sorry one indeed. What happened to task assignment, and designated calling hours. If someone knows they're going to be busy they can ask another chapter or board member to handle inquiries from affiliate members. They could also designate specific times during the day for those wanting to reach a human being rather than a voicemail box to do so. Likewise if there's a project to be done such as organizing a student division, planning to broadcast a state convention, etc, the chapter or state president can assign another person to work with the individual or group carrying out the project so they can attend to other affiliate matters and their non-NFB life. E-mail and voicemail are great but not when your messages go unanswered. There is too much of this going on in this organization around the country and it needs to stop! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Communication problems calling out specific names probably shouldn't be posted here. But general questions about getting and building student associations would be alright. I had a similar issue in Virginia. I'd call or email board members with no response. The virginia association of blind students still has meetings at state convention with a board. But I got disappointed in the group. A group should do things and communicate with each other; a group meeting once a year with no other plans was not useful to me. So I went through college and advocated for myself and did what I could to succeed. This list was helpful and still is, but the students in Virginia were not so helpful. So I know what you mean about communication challenges; but you might want to work that out with your state board members and/or regional rep. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:43 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional representative.) I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. I don't know what else to do. I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. What's going on? If anyone would be interested, he would be. Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 9 15:46:47 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:46:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication References: <14015AED-B9A7-415F-8994-390A287CCD9F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201cc6f07$af1fe8e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Nickey and everyone, Even if that response doesn't come for six months? This has happened in Texas. Your comments only add to the problem and do nothing to fix it. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Hi Joshua, I totally agree with Ashley. Many people are busy so if you don't receive a response immediately, don't get discouraged. Also, if you are looking for ways to develop your student division, you should try networking with other division presidents. You might come across some creative ideas. I hope this was helpful. Best of luck! Nikki Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional > representative.) > I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. > I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. > I don't know what else to do. > I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. > What's going on? > If anyone would be interested, he would be. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nikkij84%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 9 16:07:34 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:07:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication In-Reply-To: <000701cc6f07$12326ad0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <000701cc6f07$12326ad0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Peter, I got frustrated with lack of responses within my student division and that is why I really do not see NFB as much of a family. Great for overall national advocacy but when you have an individual problem at school due to a professor's attitude or you just need to have a technology question answered, you need the support of another blind individual who went through it. Yes it’s a chronic problem all over the country. But come on, he asked the individual two days ago. Do you really feel that is enough time considering the student rep is also a student, family member, may sit on other student organizations, may have work, or may be studying for a test. I don't feel we should be frustrated unless it has happened before or we have given it a few weeks. Your suggestion of setting asside time to receive calls is a good one though. I feel we need to balance our commitment to the NFB with our other life. I wonder just what some federationists do who belong to multiple chapters and take on so much? Do they have a life outside NFB? I never saw you talk about work or family here. Its important to live the philosophy which means doing what other sighted people do and educating the public while being involved in NFB. If your whole life is just blindness events, are you really educating the public and participating on terms of equality with your fellow peers? It’s a problem of communication, but I do not like the tone of be a loyal federationist or else. Your right that the state president could assign other individuals to help him/her respond to questions/concerns. However, I do not think naming names on a public archived list is right. It makes a bad situation worse. He could have just said he did not hear from his regional rep and asked what to do about it. It’s a problem throughout the country and yes I hope its addressed because otherwise NFB will not be as strong. The key to effective organizations is good communication and with communication comes a plan of action and activities based on plans. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication Good morning everyone, This is a chronic problem all over the country so I don't blame him for being frustrated. The best way for affiliate board members to avoid being called out publically is to respond to member issues and concerns in a timely manner. The fact that individuals were called out on this list is a symptom of a serious problem in this organization. If the problem is fixed this wouldn't happen and activities and federation business would be delt with in a more timely manner. The excuse that these are busy people with other commitments beyond the NFB is a sorry one indeed. What happened to task assignment, and designated calling hours. If someone knows they're going to be busy they can ask another chapter or board member to handle inquiries from affiliate members. They could also designate specific times during the day for those wanting to reach a human being rather than a voicemail box to do so. Likewise if there's a project to be done such as organizing a student division, planning to broadcast a state convention, etc, the chapter or state president can assign another person to work with the individual or group carrying out the project so they can attend to other affiliate matters and their non-NFB life. E-mail and voicemail are great but not when your messages go unanswered. There is too much of this going on in this organization around the country and it needs to stop! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Communication problems calling out specific names probably shouldn't be posted here. But general questions about getting and building student associations would be alright. I had a similar issue in Virginia. I'd call or email board members with no response. The virginia association of blind students still has meetings at state convention with a board. But I got disappointed in the group. A group should do things and communicate with each other; a group meeting once a year with no other plans was not useful to me. So I went through college and advocated for myself and did what I could to succeed. This list was helpful and still is, but the students in Virginia were not so helpful. So I know what you mean about communication challenges; but you might want to work that out with your state board members and/or regional rep. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:43 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional representative.) I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. I don't know what else to do. I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. What's going on? If anyone would be interested, he would be. Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 16:19:28 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:19:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication In-Reply-To: References: <000701cc6f07$12326ad0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi all, With all respect, I think it important to remember that student division building, while dear to our hearts, is not a life-or-death emergency. Good organizing is a process that happens over months, not days. So a little patience is in order here. Also, while state presidents and regional reps can offer helpful advice, the best way to organize a division is to find other students. A division can be formed with only three students: a president, VP, and secretary/treasurer. Do you know other blind students at your school? If not, why not go to all the local chapter meetings around your state and make announcements about your student division? Further, student divisions can include youth and young adults, not just currently enrolled students. Perhaps there are a couple young adults in one of your state's local chapters who would be interested in joining up. Best, Arielle On 9/9/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Peter, > I got frustrated with lack of responses within my student division and that > is why I really do not see NFB as much of a family. Great for overall > national advocacy but when you have an individual problem at school due to a > professor's attitude or you just need to have a technology question > answered, you need the support of another blind individual who went through > it. Yes it’s a > chronic problem all over the country. But come on, he asked the individual > two days ago. Do you really feel that is enough time considering the student > rep is also a student, family member, may sit on other student > organizations, may have work, or may be studying for a test. > I don't feel we should be frustrated unless it has happened before or we > have given it a few weeks. Your suggestion of setting asside time to > receive calls is a good one though. > > I feel we need to balance our commitment to the NFB with our other life. I > wonder just what some federationists do who belong to multiple chapters and > take on so much? Do they have a life outside NFB? I never saw you talk > about work or family here. > Its important to live the philosophy which means doing what other sighted > people do and educating the public while being involved in NFB. > If your whole life is just blindness events, are you really educating the > public and participating on terms of equality with your fellow peers? > > It’s a problem of communication, but I do not like the tone of be a loyal > federationist > or else. Your right that the state president could assign other individuals > to help him/her respond to questions/concerns. > However, I do not think naming names on a public archived list is right. It > makes a bad situation worse. He could have just said he did not hear from > his regional rep and asked what to do about it. > > It’s a problem throughout the country and yes I hope its addressed because > otherwise NFB will not be as strong. The key to effective organizations is > good communication and with communication comes a plan of action and > activities based on plans. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Donahue > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:42 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication > > Good morning everyone, > > This is a chronic problem all over the country so I don't blame him for > being frustrated. The best way for affiliate board members to avoid being > called out publically is to respond to member issues and concerns in a > timely manner. The fact that individuals were called out on this list is a > symptom of a serious problem in this organization. If the problem is fixed > this wouldn't happen and activities and federation business would be delt > with in a more timely manner. > > The excuse that these are busy people with other commitments beyond the > NFB is a sorry one indeed. What happened to task assignment, and designated > calling hours. If someone knows they're going to be busy they can ask > another chapter or board member to handle inquiries from affiliate members. > They could also designate specific times during the day for those wanting to > reach a human being rather than a voicemail box to do so. Likewise if > there's a project to be done such as organizing a student division, planning > to broadcast a state convention, etc, the chapter or state president can > assign another person to work with the individual or group carrying out the > project so they can attend to other affiliate matters and their non-NFB > life. E-mail and voicemail are great but not when your messages go > unanswered. There is too much of this going on in this organization around > the country and it needs to stop! > > Peter Donahue > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > Communication problems calling out specific names probably shouldn't be > posted here. But general > questions about getting and building student associations would be alright. > I had a similar issue in Virginia. I'd call or email board members with no > response. The virginia association of blind students still has meetings at > state convention with a board. But I got disappointed in the group. A group > should do things and communicate with each other; a group meeting once a > year with no other plans was not useful to me. So I went through college and > advocated for myself and did what I could to succeed. This list was helpful > and still is, but the students in Virginia were not so helpful. > So I know what you mean about communication challenges; but you might want > to work that out with your state board members and/or regional rep. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:43 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional > representative.) > I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. > I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. > I don't know what else to do. > I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. > What's going on? > If anyone would be interested, he would be. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 9 17:13:30 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:13:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication References: <000701cc6f07$12326ad0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <000901cc6f13$cc61e050$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Ashley and others, Implementing the suggestions I made previously can remedy this problem. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication Hi Peter, I got frustrated with lack of responses within my student division and that is why I really do not see NFB as much of a family. Great for overall national advocacy but when you have an individual problem at school due to a professor's attitude or you just need to have a technology question answered, you need the support of another blind individual who went through it. Yes it’s a chronic problem all over the country. But come on, he asked the individual two days ago. Do you really feel that is enough time considering the student rep is also a student, family member, may sit on other student organizations, may have work, or may be studying for a test. I don't feel we should be frustrated unless it has happened before or we have given it a few weeks. Your suggestion of setting asside time to receive calls is a good one though. I feel we need to balance our commitment to the NFB with our other life. I wonder just what some federationists do who belong to multiple chapters and take on so much? Do they have a life outside NFB? I never saw you talk about work or family here. Its important to live the philosophy which means doing what other sighted people do and educating the public while being involved in NFB. If your whole life is just blindness events, are you really educating the public and participating on terms of equality with your fellow peers? It’s a problem of communication, but I do not like the tone of be a loyal federationist or else. Your right that the state president could assign other individuals to help him/her respond to questions/concerns. However, I do not think naming names on a public archived list is right. It makes a bad situation worse. He could have just said he did not hear from his regional rep and asked what to do about it. It’s a problem throughout the country and yes I hope its addressed because otherwise NFB will not be as strong. The key to effective organizations is good communication and with communication comes a plan of action and activities based on plans. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication Good morning everyone, This is a chronic problem all over the country so I don't blame him for being frustrated. The best way for affiliate board members to avoid being called out publically is to respond to member issues and concerns in a timely manner. The fact that individuals were called out on this list is a symptom of a serious problem in this organization. If the problem is fixed this wouldn't happen and activities and federation business would be delt with in a more timely manner. The excuse that these are busy people with other commitments beyond the NFB is a sorry one indeed. What happened to task assignment, and designated calling hours. If someone knows they're going to be busy they can ask another chapter or board member to handle inquiries from affiliate members. They could also designate specific times during the day for those wanting to reach a human being rather than a voicemail box to do so. Likewise if there's a project to be done such as organizing a student division, planning to broadcast a state convention, etc, the chapter or state president can assign another person to work with the individual or group carrying out the project so they can attend to other affiliate matters and their non-NFB life. E-mail and voicemail are great but not when your messages go unanswered. There is too much of this going on in this organization around the country and it needs to stop! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Communication problems calling out specific names probably shouldn't be posted here. But general questions about getting and building student associations would be alright. I had a similar issue in Virginia. I'd call or email board members with no response. The virginia association of blind students still has meetings at state convention with a board. But I got disappointed in the group. A group should do things and communicate with each other; a group meeting once a year with no other plans was not useful to me. So I went through college and advocated for myself and did what I could to succeed. This list was helpful and still is, but the students in Virginia were not so helpful. So I know what you mean about communication challenges; but you might want to work that out with your state board members and/or regional rep. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:43 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional representative.) I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. I don't know what else to do. I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. What's going on? If anyone would be interested, he would be. Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From fowlers at syix.com Fri Sep 9 17:18:38 2011 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:18:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Josh, With the semester just starting folks are busier than usual. Patients, patients. If the folks you mentioned don't respond by Tuesday, just send a quick follow-up. Angela -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester [mailto:jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:43 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional representative.) I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. I don't know what else to do. I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. What's going on? If anyone would be interested, he would be. Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 17:35:56 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not been posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 and the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she is pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > From: Joshua Lester > Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new > regional representative.) > I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. > I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded > either. > I don't know what else to do. > I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, > anymore. > What's going on? > If anyone would be interested, he would be. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From warren.mercy at hotmail.com Fri Sep 9 17:40:27 2011 From: warren.mercy at hotmail.com (Candice Chapman) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:40:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication In-Reply-To: References: , , <000701cc6f07$12326ad0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>, , Message-ID: Joshua, I apologize for the wait. In order to maintain a balance of all my obligations I only check my NABS email a couple of times a week. I understand that there are times to be frustrated but I honestly don't feel that this is one of them. I've sent you a reply email, but in the future the best time for you to send an email and get a same day reply would be to try sending it early in the morning rather than late at night. Regards, Candice Chapman > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:19:28 -0600 > From: arielle71 at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication > > Hi all, > With all respect, I think it important to remember that student > division building, while dear to our hearts, is not a life-or-death > emergency. Good organizing is a process that happens over months, not > days. So a little patience is in order here. Also, while state > presidents and regional reps can offer helpful advice, the best way to > organize a division is to find other students. A division can be > formed with only three students: a president, VP, and > secretary/treasurer. Do you know other blind students at your school? > If not, why not go to all the local chapter meetings around your state > and make announcements about your student division? Further, student > divisions can include youth and young adults, not just currently > enrolled students. Perhaps there are a couple young adults in one of > your state's local chapters who would be interested in joining up. > Best, > Arielle > > On 9/9/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > I got frustrated with lack of responses within my student division and that > > is why I really do not see NFB as much of a family. Great for overall > > national advocacy but when you have an individual problem at school due to a > > professor's attitude or you just need to have a technology question > > answered, you need the support of another blind individual who went through > > it. Yes it’s a > > chronic problem all over the country. But come on, he asked the individual > > two days ago. Do you really feel that is enough time considering the student > > rep is also a student, family member, may sit on other student > > organizations, may have work, or may be studying for a test. > > I don't feel we should be frustrated unless it has happened before or we > > have given it a few weeks. Your suggestion of setting asside time to > > receive calls is a good one though. > > > > I feel we need to balance our commitment to the NFB with our other life. I > > wonder just what some federationists do who belong to multiple chapters and > > take on so much? Do they have a life outside NFB? I never saw you talk > > about work or family here. > > Its important to live the philosophy which means doing what other sighted > > people do and educating the public while being involved in NFB. > > If your whole life is just blindness events, are you really educating the > > public and participating on terms of equality with your fellow peers? > > > > It’s a problem of communication, but I do not like the tone of be a loyal > > federationist > > or else. Your right that the state president could assign other individuals > > to help him/her respond to questions/concerns. > > However, I do not think naming names on a public archived list is right. It > > makes a bad situation worse. He could have just said he did not hear from > > his regional rep and asked what to do about it. > > > > It’s a problem throughout the country and yes I hope its addressed because > > otherwise NFB will not be as strong. The key to effective organizations is > > good communication and with communication comes a plan of action and > > activities based on plans. > > > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Donahue > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:42 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication > > > > Good morning everyone, > > > > This is a chronic problem all over the country so I don't blame him for > > being frustrated. The best way for affiliate board members to avoid being > > called out publically is to respond to member issues and concerns in a > > timely manner. The fact that individuals were called out on this list is a > > symptom of a serious problem in this organization. If the problem is fixed > > this wouldn't happen and activities and federation business would be delt > > with in a more timely manner. > > > > The excuse that these are busy people with other commitments beyond the > > NFB is a sorry one indeed. What happened to task assignment, and designated > > calling hours. If someone knows they're going to be busy they can ask > > another chapter or board member to handle inquiries from affiliate members. > > They could also designate specific times during the day for those wanting to > > reach a human being rather than a voicemail box to do so. Likewise if > > there's a project to be done such as organizing a student division, planning > > to broadcast a state convention, etc, the chapter or state president can > > assign another person to work with the individual or group carrying out the > > project so they can attend to other affiliate matters and their non-NFB > > life. E-mail and voicemail are great but not when your messages go > > unanswered. There is too much of this going on in this organization around > > the country and it needs to stop! > > > > Peter Donahue > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > l at nfbnet.org> > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > > > > Communication problems calling out specific names probably shouldn't be > > posted here. But general > > questions about getting and building student associations would be alright. > > I had a similar issue in Virginia. I'd call or email board members with no > > response. The virginia association of blind students still has meetings at > > state convention with a board. But I got disappointed in the group. A group > > should do things and communicate with each other; a group meeting once a > > year with no other plans was not useful to me. So I went through college and > > advocated for myself and did what I could to succeed. This list was helpful > > and still is, but the students in Virginia were not so helpful. > > So I know what you mean about communication challenges; but you might want > > to work that out with your state board members and/or regional rep. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:43 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional > > representative.) > > I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. > > I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. > > I don't know what else to do. > > I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. > > What's going on? > > If anyone would be interested, he would be. > > Thanks for your help. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/warren.mercy%40hotmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 19:10:00 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:10:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A few tips for forming a student division Message-ID: Aubri and all, I believe the process of contacting your affiliate president and expressing interest is always a solid starting point. Once that contact is made, keeping nabs (either board member assigned to your region, nabs president, or both) in the loop is always good and can prove helpful if other students are found in your area. Also, nabs can assist you in connecting with your affiliate president and, if desired, can work with both student contact and affiliate president in making the potential organizing of a student division a reality. For Alaska, I believe your affiliate President is Bill Packee. Bill’s E-mail address is alaskanfb at yahoo.com. The board member assigned to your region is Dominique Lawless. Dominique’s E-mail is dlawless86 at gmail.com Dominique is a wonderful resource, and would be more than happy to help you however she can. As well, I have no doubt that Bill will be just as happy to hear from you and would love to have your assistance in building a Division in Alaska. Generally, affiliate presidents are very receptive to younger members of their affiliate who wish to take on leadership responsibilities, and more to the point, they see the effect student divisions have in our movement. Presidents are often looking for those people who want to start a student division, and they really want to see them stay strong and active. I hope this is helpful. If you find you need any further help, please feel free to contact any member of the board, and we will make sure to get you right where you need to be. Best wishes and good luck, Darian On 9/7/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: > Ah, but how would one form a student organization in Alaska? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Salisbury, Justin Mark > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 1:36 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students for > my state > > Hi Joshua, > > Have you heard about the conference call that will take place on > Sunday, September 11, called "The ABCs of NABS Reps?" Ironically, the North > Carolina ABS (of which I am President) will be with a national rep at our > first-ever student track at the NFB of NC state convention this weekend. I > definitely recommend attending that call because they can talk about how a > NABS rep coming to your state can help you start a student division. > > Having strong support from the NFB of Arkansas president in your efforts > to establish a student division can be quite helpful. Gary Ray, president > of the NFB of North Carolina, believes very much in our importance. If you > question how big a priority a students division is to your state president, > encourage her to talk to her fellow affiliate presidents about the value of > a student division. > > If you can coordinate an interested group of people from Arkansas to > attend a function of an Association of Blind Students in a neighboring > state, that might help inspire the students, too. You can certainly bring > some folks to NC in March for our student seminar. Our seminar is big > enough now that we welcome people from all states. We aren't quite > neighbors, but that's why we have airports. > > Feel free to contact me off-list about this if you want, too. > > Good luck! > > Justin > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD > > > > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:20:19 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble forming an Association of Blind students, > for my state > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 9/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I haven't shared this with the entire group, but with some of you, off >> list. >> I'm interested in starting an Association of Blind Students, in Arkansas. >> Isaiah Wilcox, is no longer my regional rep. >> Who is? >> My old student contact isn't doing it anymore, either. >> Thanks for your help. >> Blessings, Joshua > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Sep 9 19:34:07 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:34:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The regional rep needs to contact me. I don't know what's going on. Ashley, thanks for your response. Blessings, Joshua On 9/9/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Communication problems calling out specific names probably shouldn't be > posted here. But general > questions about getting and building student associations would be alright. > I had a similar issue in Virginia. I'd call or email board members with no > response. The virginia association of blind students still has meetings at > state convention with a board. But I got disappointed in the group. A group > should do things and communicate with each other; a group meeting once a > year with no other plans was not useful to me. So I went through college and > advocated for myself and did what I could to succeed. This list was helpful > and still is, but the students in Virginia were not so helpful. > So I know what you mean about communication challenges; but you might want > to work that out with your state board members and/or regional rep. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:43 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new regional > representative.) > I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. > I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded either. > I don't know what else to do. > I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, anymore. > What's going on? > If anyone would be interested, he would be. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Sep 9 19:52:07 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:52:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey! Good to hear from you, Anmol. I have some good news. She, (my regional rep,) finally contacted me. We're working, right now. Blessings, Joshua On 9/9/11, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not been > posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 and > the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also > call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she is > pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> From: Joshua Lester >> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >> regional representative.) >> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >> either. >> I don't know what else to do. >> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >> anymore. >> What's going on? >> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >> Thanks for your help. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Fri Sep 9 20:51:44 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:51:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of communication In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ashley, I agree with what you're saying, but if we were to start talking about our lives outside of this listserve- family, hobbies, what we did last weekend- some of us would get prompt responses about how our post was inappropriate to this list. *wicked grin* Apparently I feel like a pot mixer tonight. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:07:34 -0400 From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Hi Peter, I got frustrated with lack of responses within my student division and that is why I really do not see NFB as much of a family. Great for overall national advocacy but when you have an individual problem at school due to a professor's attitude or you just need to have a technology question answered, you need the support of another blind individual who went through it. Yes it?s a chronic problem all over the country. But come on, he asked the individual two days ago. Do you really feel that is enough time considering the student rep is also a student, family member, may sit on other student organizations, may have work, or may be studying for a test. I don't feel we should be frustrated unless it has happened before or we have given it a few weeks. Your suggestion of setting asside time to receive calls is a good one though. I feel we need to balance our commitment to the NFB with our other life. I wonder just what some federationists do who belong to multiple chapters and take on so much? Do they have a life outside NFB? I never saw you talk about work or family here. Its important to live the philosophy which means doing what other sighted people do and educating the public while being involved in NFB. If your whole life is just blindness events, are you really educating the public and participating on terms of equality with your fellow peers? It?s a problem of communication, but I do not like the tone of be a loyal federationist or else. Your right that the state president could assign other individuals to help him/her respond to questions/concerns. However, I do not think naming names on a public archived list is right. It makes a bad situation worse. He could have just said he did not hear from his regional rep and asked what to do about it. It?s a problem throughout the country and yes I hope its addressed because otherwise NFB will not be as strong. The key to effective organizations is good communication and with communication comes a plan of action and activities based on plans. Ashley From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Fri Sep 9 21:27:23 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:27:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of communication In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arielle, Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but don't student division officers have to be students? Perhaps this is just a rule in Nebraska, but my understanding has always been that officers must be students, with one non-student board member, and in order to begin a student division, obviously you would need at least three enrolled students, any school level. To me, young adults indicates twenty-something's who aren't necessarily enrolled in school. And why I'm on the topic, do officers have to be academic students, or is the definition looser? Like those enrolled in training centers or taking classes offered at community learning annexes. We do have to be aware that people have lives and are busy, but NFB leadership should be able to respond to members in timely fashions. Though volunteers, this is part of leadership duties. If leadership can't effectively communicate efficiently and timely, or at all, perhaps they need to revaluate their position as leader. Two, three days, sure, I say keep your pants on, but weeks, months, not at all, this is ridiculous and unprofessional. I have to agree with Peter about the time it takes to hear back from affiliate and chapter leaders at times. I'll probably get in trouble for this, but I' pretty much considered a renegade these days anyway, but we had a situation where a member needed to speak with top leaders in regards to submitting information for a NFB event. This member began contacting people six months before the deadline, but the top leaders did not respond until three days before the deadline. I have to say, this puts a bitter taste in my mouth. Sadly, this case was not the exception. A past chapter president rarely received feedback and information even when they requested it. This president grew, rightfully so, frustrated with the blatant lack of communication. Come on! A chapter president? In the case of the affiliate/chapter relationship, chapters can't be left as a lone island floating around in the ocean. Leaders need to be responsive, and if a particular person can't do it, then they need to ask another leader to handle it. It also goes both ways- chapters need to be working alongside affiliates. It's kind of like how local, state and federal government works. Maybe government references are not the best argument now that I think about it! LOL Leaders are super busy- my reasoning for stepping down from a lot this year- and everyone needs to understand this and be respectful of others time, but on the flip side of the coin, leaders should be as accessible to their membership as possible. Even a quick communication just saying hey, I got your email/call, don't have much time today, but how about this date? Sorry, but this is the responsibility of a leader in any organization. And I'm not talking about silly things or things not immediate. Again, up until June, I was uber involved, holding officer positions on two boards and on another committee. I get that side, but I see how unresponsive some people can be. It's not easy at the top, but you should know that going in. I love this organization and believe 100% in it's philosophy, but the lack of communication and organization I see often, is a serious issue that needs to be addressed and resolved as best it can. Then again, I'm a perfectionist so maybe I'm crazy! *grin* I'll say this, know one should let the lack of communication be the reason they leave, at least not right away. There's a lot of variables, and we have to ask how proactive are we being. As frustrating as this can be, getting huffy and stomping out doesn't fix anything. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:19:28 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi all, With all respect, I think it important to remember that student division building, while dear to our hearts, is not a life-or-death emergency. Good organizing is a process that happens over months, not days. So a little patience is in order here. Also, while state presidents and regional reps can offer helpful advice, the best way to organize a division is to find other students. A division can be formed with only three students: a president, VP, and secretary/treasurer. Do you know other blind students at your school? If not, why not go to all the local chapter meetings around your state and make announcements about your student division? Further, student divisions can include youth and young adults, not just currently enrolled students. Perhaps there are a couple young adults in one of your state's local chapters who would be interested in joining up. Best, Arielle From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 9 21:27:43 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:27:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Anmol and everyone, But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or someone else who could assist him with getting the student division organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state convention. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not been posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 and the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she is pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > From: Joshua Lester > Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new > regional representative.) > I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. > I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded > either. > I don't know what else to do. > I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, > anymore. > What's going on? > If anyone would be interested, he would be. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Sep 9 21:45:28 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:45:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Mr Donahue, we're working now. She contacted me, and I'm working on it. Blessings, Joshua On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Anmol and everyone, > > But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or > someone else who could assist him with getting the student division > organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state convention. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anmol Bhatia" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not been > posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 and > the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also > call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she is > pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> From: Joshua Lester >> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >> regional representative.) >> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >> either. >> I don't know what else to do. >> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >> anymore. >> What's going on? >> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >> Thanks for your help. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 21:50:01 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:50:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, Great! Best of luck! Chris On 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Mr Donahue, we're working now. > She contacted me, and I'm working on it. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Anmol and everyone, >> >> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or >> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division >> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state convention. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anmol Bhatia" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not >> been >> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 >> and >> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also >> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she >> is >> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. >> >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >>> regional representative.) >>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >>> either. >>> I don't know what else to do. >>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >>> anymore. >>> What's going on? >>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >>> Thanks for your help. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Fri Sep 9 22:02:48 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:02:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Joshua and everyone, Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got results. Now for the news. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Mr Donahue, we're working now. She contacted me, and I'm working on it. Blessings, Joshua On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Anmol and everyone, > > But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or > someone else who could assist him with getting the student division > organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state convention. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anmol Bhatia" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not > been > posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 > and > the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also > call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she > is > pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> From: Joshua Lester >> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >> regional representative.) >> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >> either. >> I don't know what else to do. >> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >> anymore. >> What's going on? >> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >> Thanks for your help. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 22:05:20 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:05:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of communication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bridgit and all, There is no nationwide standard for student status; it's all up to the constitution in one's particular student division. Generally, student division presidents must be students or recent graduates (i.e. students in the previous year) but other officer positions can be students or not depending on how your state decides to write its constitution. Even if young adult non-students cannot serve in office, however, they can comprise an important part of a student division's membership base. Many non-students are considering school, or are recent graduates looking for jobs. They need the information and networking student divisions offer as much as, or perhaps more than, current students do. Best, Arielle On 9/9/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Arielle, > > Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but don't student division officers > have to be students? Perhaps this is just a rule in Nebraska, but my > understanding has always been that officers must be students, with one > non-student board member, and in order to begin a student division, > obviously you would need at least three enrolled students, any school > level. To me, young adults indicates twenty-something's who aren't > necessarily enrolled in school. > > And why I'm on the topic, do officers have to be academic students, or > is the definition looser? Like those enrolled in training centers or > taking classes offered at community learning annexes. > > We do have to be aware that people have lives and are busy, but NFB > leadership should be able to respond to members in timely fashions. > Though volunteers, this is part of leadership duties. If leadership > can't effectively communicate efficiently and timely, or at all, perhaps > they need to revaluate their position as leader. Two, three days, sure, > I say keep your pants on, but weeks, months, not at all, this is > ridiculous and unprofessional. I have to agree with Peter about the time > it takes to hear back from affiliate and chapter leaders at times. > > I'll probably get in trouble for this, but I' pretty much considered a > renegade these days anyway, but we had a situation where a member needed > to speak with top leaders in regards to submitting information for a NFB > event. This member began contacting people six months before the > deadline, but the top leaders did not respond until three days before > the deadline. I have to say, this puts a bitter taste in my mouth. > Sadly, this case was not the exception. > > A past chapter president rarely received feedback and information even > when they requested it. This president grew, rightfully so, frustrated > with the blatant lack of communication. Come on! A chapter president? In > the case of the affiliate/chapter relationship, chapters can't be left > as a lone island floating around in the ocean. Leaders need to be > responsive, and if a particular person can't do it, then they need to > ask another leader to handle it. > > It also goes both ways- chapters need to be working alongside > affiliates. It's kind of like how local, state and federal government > works. Maybe government references are not the best argument now that I > think about it! LOL > > Leaders are super busy- my reasoning for stepping down from a lot this > year- and everyone needs to understand this and be respectful of others > time, but on the flip side of the coin, leaders should be as accessible > to their membership as possible. Even a quick communication just saying > hey, I got your email/call, don't have much time today, but how about > this date? Sorry, but this is the responsibility of a leader in any > organization. > > And I'm not talking about silly things or things not immediate. Again, > up until June, I was uber involved, holding officer positions on two > boards and on another committee. I get that side, but I see how > unresponsive some people can be. It's not easy at the top, but you > should know that going in. I love this organization and believe 100% in > it's philosophy, but the lack of communication and organization I see > often, is a serious issue that needs to be addressed and resolved as > best it can. > > Then again, I'm a perfectionist so maybe I'm crazy! *grin* I'll say > this, know one should let the lack of communication be the reason they > leave, at least not right away. There's a lot of variables, and we have > to ask how proactive are we being. As frustrating as this can be, > getting huffy and stomping out doesn't fix anything. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:19:28 -0600 > From: Arielle Silverman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hi all, > With all respect, I think it important to remember that student division > building, while dear to our hearts, is not a life-or-death emergency. > Good organizing is a process that happens over months, not days. So a > little patience is in order here. Also, while state presidents and > regional reps can offer helpful advice, the best way to organize a > division is to find other students. A division can be formed with only > three students: a president, VP, and secretary/treasurer. Do you know > other blind students at your school? If not, why not go to all the local > chapter meetings around your state and make announcements about your > student division? Further, student divisions can include youth and young > adults, not just currently enrolled students. Perhaps there are a couple > young adults in one of your state's local chapters who would be > interested in joining up. Best, Arielle > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Sep 9 22:08:29 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:08:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: That's right. Hopefully, it will set a precedent, so noone will have to do that, in the future. Now, they'll have to respond, for fear, that it will get out there. It's about time, someone is held accountable. I hope the Freedom Scientific, and HumanWare people read this list, as well. I called them out, on their unprofessional music, that plays, while you're on hold. Hopefully, something will happen along that front, as well. Blessings, Joshua On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this > public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling > matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got > results. Now for the news. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > Mr Donahue, we're working now. > She contacted me, and I'm working on it. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Anmol and everyone, >> >> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or >> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division >> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state convention. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anmol Bhatia" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not >> been >> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 >> and >> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also >> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she >> is >> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. >> >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >>> regional representative.) >>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >>> either. >>> I don't know what else to do. >>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >>> anymore. >>> What's going on? >>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >>> Thanks for your help. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 9 22:18:07 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:18:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of communication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bridgit, Acording to Arielle's note, student division members can be young adults, not necessarily students. I am not sure about the officers. But in Virginia, officers have to be students for one year following their election. She said "Further, student divisions can include youth and young adults, not just currently enrolled students. Perhaps there are a couple young adults in one of your state's local chapters who would be interested in joining up. " As to communication, its an issue. Months of no response is unreasonable buta few days is okay. Remember this thread started because Joshua did not receive a response in two days. I think one needs to wait a bit longer than publicly saying something about it. But I agree that weeks or months is too long and is unprofessional. Being a leader means you take on the responsibility of leading and communicating with members. My suggestion is that next election you vote for new leaders if you do not like the current ones. Also be consistent. If you do not get a response in a week, call the following weeks on the same day. Also try multiple leaders. If one doesn't respond, call someone else on the board. Suggest ways to communicate. In Virginia we have the website with major events on the calendar and chapter locations. The meetings and events are announced in the newsletter, NFB Vigilant. State events like the board meeting and convention are announced on the list serv. Finally, most chapters have an email announcement list and the leader sends out this announcement. Also, while email is an efficient way to get to many people with communication, not everyone has email or a computer and not everyone can use a computer. So be sure to call those who cannot do it electronically. In the days before email, there were phone trees. We did this in girl scouts. The leader would start the message by calling person A; then A would call B and so on. This way the leader did not have to call a dozen people. I know what you mean of lack of communication. If I get no response, I try someone else or just stop trying. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:27 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of communication Arielle, Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but don't student division officers have to be students? Perhaps this is just a rule in Nebraska, but my understanding has always been that officers must be students, with one non-student board member, and in order to begin a student division, obviously you would need at least three enrolled students, any school level. To me, young adults indicates twenty-something's who aren't necessarily enrolled in school. And why I'm on the topic, do officers have to be academic students, or is the definition looser? Like those enrolled in training centers or taking classes offered at community learning annexes. We do have to be aware that people have lives and are busy, but NFB leadership should be able to respond to members in timely fashions. Though volunteers, this is part of leadership duties. If leadership can't effectively communicate efficiently and timely, or at all, perhaps they need to revaluate their position as leader. Two, three days, sure, I say keep your pants on, but weeks, months, not at all, this is ridiculous and unprofessional. I have to agree with Peter about the time it takes to hear back from affiliate and chapter leaders at times. I'll probably get in trouble for this, but I' pretty much considered a renegade these days anyway, but we had a situation where a member needed to speak with top leaders in regards to submitting information for a NFB event. This member began contacting people six months before the deadline, but the top leaders did not respond until three days before the deadline. I have to say, this puts a bitter taste in my mouth. Sadly, this case was not the exception. A past chapter president rarely received feedback and information even when they requested it. This president grew, rightfully so, frustrated with the blatant lack of communication. Come on! A chapter president? In the case of the affiliate/chapter relationship, chapters can't be left as a lone island floating around in the ocean. Leaders need to be responsive, and if a particular person can't do it, then they need to ask another leader to handle it. It also goes both ways- chapters need to be working alongside affiliates. It's kind of like how local, state and federal government works. Maybe government references are not the best argument now that I think about it! LOL Leaders are super busy- my reasoning for stepping down from a lot this year- and everyone needs to understand this and be respectful of others time, but on the flip side of the coin, leaders should be as accessible to their membership as possible. Even a quick communication just saying hey, I got your email/call, don't have much time today, but how about this date? Sorry, but this is the responsibility of a leader in any organization. And I'm not talking about silly things or things not immediate. Again, up until June, I was uber involved, holding officer positions on two boards and on another committee. I get that side, but I see how unresponsive some people can be. It's not easy at the top, but you should know that going in. I love this organization and believe 100% in it's philosophy, but the lack of communication and organization I see often, is a serious issue that needs to be addressed and resolved as best it can. Then again, I'm a perfectionist so maybe I'm crazy! *grin* I'll say this, know one should let the lack of communication be the reason they leave, at least not right away. There's a lot of variables, and we have to ask how proactive are we being. As frustrating as this can be, getting huffy and stomping out doesn't fix anything. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:19:28 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lack of Communication Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi all, With all respect, I think it important to remember that student division building, while dear to our hearts, is not a life-or-death emergency. Good organizing is a process that happens over months, not days. So a little patience is in order here. Also, while state presidents and regional reps can offer helpful advice, the best way to organize a division is to find other students. A division can be formed with only three students: a president, VP, and secretary/treasurer. Do you know other blind students at your school? If not, why not go to all the local chapter meetings around your state and make announcements about your student division? Further, student divisions can include youth and young adults, not just currently enrolled students. Perhaps there are a couple young adults in one of your state's local chapters who would be interested in joining up. Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 22:22:36 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:22:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] book costs Message-ID: <4EFD6016BFE54471AF040E7413F15AC8@HumbertoAvila> Hello nabs listers, does anybody know the approximate cost of a college textbook? I am taking math and English this quarter and I am afraid that I am going to spend too much on books. My family is low income so we can't really afford too much, and, my state division of services for the blind (DSB) can not help me pay books. Any other funding sources I may obtain please are appreciated. cheers, Humberto -- Humberto Avila Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 22:27:19 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:27:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the Family Meeting is Called to Order! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Danielle, I love what you have to say!! This list, and the Federation, should be and is a family, which is the meaning behind the Braille Monitor's "News from the Federation Family" column. I love your thoughts about the NFB/ACB, and I wish the NFB would start an online radio station and/or do more audio stuff. Just to let you know, the NFB streams the general sessions, the board meeting, and the banquet live on the nfb.org site. If you missed it, go to www.nfb.org, select the Publications link, then the Audio/Video center, then on National Convention highlights link. You can then listen to audio and video highlights from the 2008 through 2011 conventions. From what I'm hearing, I think you would be a great person for a list that some friends of mine from this list and I are starting. It's a bipartisan list, where blind people can talk about blindness-related topics, independent from the partisanship of the two organizations. We also have some mentors representing both organizations to help us out. Please email me off list if you have any questions. God bless! Chris On 9/9/11, Daniel Romero wrote: > Danielle, I appreciate the positivity, and the compliments! They were > greatly appreciated! Hope you continue to enjoy what you hear. > > On 9/9/11, Danielle Antoine wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> First off, hello Daniel. I thoroughly enjoyed your song! You are very >> talented! I will def sub to your channel! thanks for sharing and keep >> it up! Keep using what God gave ya and best of luck and blessings! >> >> Now for Old Business: >> this list feels like home! One of the things I remember most about >> being on list are the hot button topics and the great debates! >> Specifically to my NFB fam, the lack of tolerance we often have for >> differences and the ability to be flexible and understanding. Now >> isn't it that way in families? We are definitely a family and I urge >> you all to remember that family is also loving and helpful and that >> when and if know one else is there family should be. After all, that >> is why we come together....to offer support and comfort. that is what >> I heard most is that this list has provided answers to questions and >> resources. Let's try to exercise patience, tolerance of other opinions >> and posts, respect of differences (after all, we are all children of >> God and he accepts differences and never intended for us all to behave >> and think the same), and build up our fellow list and organization >> members. Let's leave moderating to the moderators! It takes time to go >> through these messages and we all have plenty to take charge of off >> list in our own daily lives. I, also, identify with the NFB and will >> always be a part of such a forward-thinking proactive organization, >> but I do read ACB literature and access ACB Radio (which I might add >> has some great content and I wish NFB would do lots more audio >> broadcast like the entire Convention General session and some key >> meetings for those of us who can't attend but wish to be there in >> Spirit). The article was general but had some great points, thanks >> chris. Furthermore, Daniel's music was encouraging and uplifting. >> Additionally, without other points of view and information, we can't >> make an objective evaluation and know where we stand, what we truly >> believe and feel, and why. Yes, i have heard more bashing from them >> than us but it goes both ways and as the old adage goes, two wrongs >> don't make a right. Also, if we say we are the best organizzation, our >> character and integrity should show that in our actions and speech >> even when we aren't around ACB members. Lastly, I'm glad to be hear, >> thanks for the many welcome messages, and I love you all. God's >> blessings, Danie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdan567%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 9 22:40:36 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:40:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] book costs In-Reply-To: <4EFD6016BFE54471AF040E7413F15AC8@HumbertoAvila> References: <4EFD6016BFE54471AF040E7413F15AC8@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <2B59A73881904041A9DBCB464B8A17D9@OwnerPC> Humberto, College texts are expensive. Its hard to give a cost estimate. I'd say a book will cost $60 or more. I had books cost anything from $65 to $125. I'm serious. The more expensive books were generally the hardback books with 300 plus pages in them. But if its english books, they are sometimes small paperbooks and those are like $30 or $40. It just depends. Some english books are actually novels. To save money, buy used books from the bookstore or past students who no longer need the book. Students will sell their books individually; to find out, have someone look at flyers with you. Generally paperback books are less expensive. Another option to get cheaper books may be to buy from Amozon or an actual book store. Bookstores are going out of business though. There may be a Barnes and Noble in your area or local book store to check. I saved money by buying used books when possible. You might be able to use financial aid or scholarships to help with books. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 6:22 PM To: nabs-l at nfbNet.org Subject: [nabs-l] book costs Hello nabs listers, does anybody know the approximate cost of a college textbook? I am taking math and English this quarter and I am afraid that I am going to spend too much on books. My family is low income so we can't really afford too much, and, my state division of services for the blind (DSB) can not help me pay books. Any other funding sources I may obtain please are appreciated. cheers, Humberto -- Humberto Avila Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 23:50:04 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:50:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call recordings Message-ID: Hello fellow students, I regret to inform you that the upcoming membership conference call on the ABCs of Nabs reps will not be streamed or recorded. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, and hope that you may still elect to join us via conference call at (712)775-7100, entering the pass code, 257963 to be a part of the discussion. We will of course keep you updated as to the future of recording our membership calls. Should you have any questions, Please feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com. Thank you, Darian smith -- Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 23:54:34 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:54:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs fundraising committee conference call this sunday! Message-ID: The below comes from the nabs fundraising committee: Dear students and friends,        The National Association of Blind Students fundraising committee invites you to the first fundraising committee meeting of the 2011-2012 year which will be held on Sunday, September 11, 2011 at 5:00 PM EDT. We are looking for people who: are interested in joining our fundraising team, who have great ideas, and who are able to participate in fundraisers or NABS events. If this sounds like something you might like to do then on Sunday at 5:00PM EDT dial 712-775-7100 and access code 257963 and prepare for an interesting discussion and lots of brainstorming! Sincerely, The NABS Fundraising Committee -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Sat Sep 10 00:48:22 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] book costs In-Reply-To: <4EFD6016BFE54471AF040E7413F15AC8@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <1315615702.37259.YahooMailClassic@web162012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Get as many of your books from RFBD as you can since you will not have to pay anything if you get books from them. If you have to buy books, don't buy them from campus book stores because they are usually the most expensive. Try to buy them from online. Hope this helps. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > From: Humberto Avila > Subject: [nabs-l] book costs > To: nabs-l at nfbNet.org > Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 5:22 PM > Hello nabs listers, > > does anybody know the approximate cost of a college > textbook? I am taking > math and English this quarter and I am afraid that I am > going to spend too > much on books. My family is low income so we can't really > afford too much, > and, my state division of services for the blind (DSB) can > not help me pay > books. Any other funding sources I may obtain please are > appreciated. > > cheers, > Humberto > >                 >   -- > Humberto Avila > Please consider the environment Before Printing this > email. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From warren.mercy at hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 02:30:38 2011 From: warren.mercy at hotmail.com (Candice Chapman) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:30:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>, , <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>, Message-ID: Joshua, I don't believe that calling people out on list is going to get you any results. I did not reply to your email because I was frightened by you putting my name on the list and saying I hadn't emailed you back. Nor was I frightened that I would get into trouble or have someone reprimand me for not replying to your email less than 2 days after it was sent. I replied to your email on one of the days that I check my NABS email, simple as that. In order for me to be your NABS rep. I have to be a student, and that's what I was doing, studying. I have class generally from 8 to 5, but on fridays I have class until 11. I do beilieve you receied a reply email around 11:30 p.m central time. I am new to the NABS board and therefore am still getting to know all the states in my region. I would appreciate it if you would have a faith that I will get back to you as soon as possible and a little more patience in the future. As many people made mention of we are all busy. I don't think anyone of us just sits at our computers and waits for email to come in, that is evidenced by the fact that you didn't reply to my 11: 30 email until 2:40 p.m. I will do all I can to help with the Arkansas Association of Blind Students. You should just keep in mind that it's not going to be the only thing I'm doing in a day and therefore may take a little long than 36 hours. I mean, unless you're volunteering to come and do my Educational Psychology reading. Regards, Candice Chapman > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:08:29 -0500 > From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > That's right. > Hopefully, it will set a precedent, so noone will have to do that, in > the future. > Now, they'll have to respond, for fear, that it will get out there. > It's about time, someone is held accountable. > I hope the Freedom Scientific, and HumanWare people read this list, as well. > I called them out, on their unprofessional music, that plays, while > you're on hold. > Hopefully, something will happen along that front, as well. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > > > Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this > > public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling > > matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got > > results. Now for the news. > > > > Peter Donahue > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua Lester" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > > > > Mr Donahue, we're working now. > > She contacted me, and I'm working on it. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >> Hello Anmol and everyone, > >> > >> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or > >> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division > >> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state convention. > >> > >> Peter Donahue > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Anmol Bhatia" > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > >> > >> > >> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not > >> been > >> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 > >> and > >> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also > >> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she > >> is > >> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. > >> > >> Anmol > >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > >> among flowers. > >> Hellen Keller > >> > >> > >> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> > >>> From: Joshua Lester > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM > >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new > >>> regional representative.) > >>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. > >>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded > >>> either. > >>> I don't know what else to do. > >>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, > >>> anymore. > >>> What's going on? > >>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. > >>> Thanks for your help. > >>> Blessings, Joshua > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >>> account info for nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/warren.mercy%40hotmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 10 02:57:42 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:57:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: I understand that, and I appreciate you responding to my E-mail. Thanks alot. I was just worried, because I hadn't heard from you. Usually, I expect to receive an E-mail, within 6 hours, of it being sent. I'm sorry for being impatient. Again, I appreciate you. I'll E-mail you off list. Blessings, Joshua On 9/9/11, Candice Chapman wrote: > > Joshua, > I don't believe that calling people out on list is going to get you any > results. I did not reply to your email because I was frightened by you > putting my name on the list and saying I hadn't emailed you back. Nor was I > frightened that I would get into trouble or have someone reprimand me for > not replying to your email less than 2 days after it was sent. I replied to > your email on one of the days that I check my NABS email, simple as that. In > order for me to be your NABS rep. I have to be a student, and that's what I > was doing, studying. I have class generally from 8 to 5, but on fridays I > have class until 11. I do beilieve you receied a reply email around 11:30 > p.m central time. > I am new to the NABS board and therefore am still getting to know all the > states in my region. I would appreciate it if you would have a faith that I > will get back to you as soon as possible and a little more patience in the > future. As many people made mention of we are all busy. I don't think anyone > of us just sits at our computers and waits for email to come in, that is > evidenced by the fact that you didn't reply to my 11: 30 email until 2:40 > p.m. > I will do all I can to help with the Arkansas Association of Blind Students. > You should just keep in mind that it's not going to be the only thing I'm > doing in a day and therefore may take a little long than 36 hours. I mean, > unless you're volunteering to come and do my Educational Psychology reading. > Regards, > Candice Chapman >> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:08:29 -0500 >> From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> That's right. >> Hopefully, it will set a precedent, so noone will have to do that, in >> the future. >> Now, they'll have to respond, for fear, that it will get out there. >> It's about time, someone is held accountable. >> I hope the Freedom Scientific, and HumanWare people read this list, as >> well. >> I called them out, on their unprofessional music, that plays, while >> you're on hold. >> Hopefully, something will happen along that front, as well. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> > Hello Joshua and everyone, >> > >> > Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this >> > public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling >> > matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got >> > results. Now for the news. >> > >> > Peter Donahue >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Joshua Lester" >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > >> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> > >> > >> > Mr Donahue, we're working now. >> > She contacted me, and I'm working on it. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> >> Hello Anmol and everyone, >> >> >> >> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or >> >> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division >> >> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state >> >> convention. >> >> >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Anmol Bhatia" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> >> >> >> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not >> >> been >> >> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October >> >> 15 >> >> and >> >> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would >> >> also >> >> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, >> >> she >> >> is >> >> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. >> >> >> >> Anmol >> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >> >> Perhaps >> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >> >> breeze >> >> among flowers. >> >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> From: Joshua Lester >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>> >> >>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> >>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >> >>> regional representative.) >> >>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >> >>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >> >>> either. >> >>> I don't know what else to do. >> >>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >> >>> anymore. >> >>> What's going on? >> >>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >> >>> Thanks for your help. >> >>> Blessings, Joshua >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> >>> account info for nabs-l: >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/warren.mercy%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From warren.mercy at hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 03:29:55 2011 From: warren.mercy at hotmail.com (Candice Chapman) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 22:29:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>, , <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>, , , Message-ID: I'd appreciate that. Thanks, Candice > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:57:42 -0500 > From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > I understand that, and I appreciate you responding to my E-mail. > Thanks alot. > I was just worried, because I hadn't heard from you. > Usually, I expect to receive an E-mail, within 6 hours, of it being sent. > I'm sorry for being impatient. > Again, I appreciate you. > I'll E-mail you off list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/9/11, Candice Chapman wrote: > > > > Joshua, > > I don't believe that calling people out on list is going to get you any > > results. I did not reply to your email because I was frightened by you > > putting my name on the list and saying I hadn't emailed you back. Nor was I > > frightened that I would get into trouble or have someone reprimand me for > > not replying to your email less than 2 days after it was sent. I replied to > > your email on one of the days that I check my NABS email, simple as that. In > > order for me to be your NABS rep. I have to be a student, and that's what I > > was doing, studying. I have class generally from 8 to 5, but on fridays I > > have class until 11. I do beilieve you receied a reply email around 11:30 > > p.m central time. > > I am new to the NABS board and therefore am still getting to know all the > > states in my region. I would appreciate it if you would have a faith that I > > will get back to you as soon as possible and a little more patience in the > > future. As many people made mention of we are all busy. I don't think anyone > > of us just sits at our computers and waits for email to come in, that is > > evidenced by the fact that you didn't reply to my 11: 30 email until 2:40 > > p.m. > > I will do all I can to help with the Arkansas Association of Blind Students. > > You should just keep in mind that it's not going to be the only thing I'm > > doing in a day and therefore may take a little long than 36 hours. I mean, > > unless you're volunteering to come and do my Educational Psychology reading. > > Regards, > > Candice Chapman > >> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:08:29 -0500 > >> From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu > >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > >> > >> That's right. > >> Hopefully, it will set a precedent, so noone will have to do that, in > >> the future. > >> Now, they'll have to respond, for fear, that it will get out there. > >> It's about time, someone is held accountable. > >> I hope the Freedom Scientific, and HumanWare people read this list, as > >> well. > >> I called them out, on their unprofessional music, that plays, while > >> you're on hold. > >> Hopefully, something will happen along that front, as well. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >> > Hello Joshua and everyone, > >> > > >> > Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this > >> > public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling > >> > matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got > >> > results. Now for the news. > >> > > >> > Peter Donahue > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Joshua Lester" > >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > > >> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > >> > > >> > > >> > Mr Donahue, we're working now. > >> > She contacted me, and I'm working on it. > >> > Blessings, Joshua > >> > > >> > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >> >> Hello Anmol and everyone, > >> >> > >> >> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or > >> >> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division > >> >> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state > >> >> convention. > >> >> > >> >> Peter Donahue > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Anmol Bhatia" > >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> >> > >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not > >> >> been > >> >> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October > >> >> 15 > >> >> and > >> >> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would > >> >> also > >> >> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, > >> >> she > >> >> is > >> >> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. > >> >> > >> >> Anmol > >> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. > >> >> Perhaps > >> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a > >> >> breeze > >> >> among flowers. > >> >> Hellen Keller > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> From: Joshua Lester > >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> >>> > >> >>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM > >> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >> >>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new > >> >>> regional representative.) > >> >>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. > >> >>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded > >> >>> either. > >> >>> I don't know what else to do. > >> >>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, > >> >>> anymore. > >> >>> What's going on? > >> >>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. > >> >>> Thanks for your help. > >> >>> Blessings, Joshua > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> nabs-l mailing list > >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> >>> account info for nabs-l: > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> nabs-l mailing list > >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> nabs-l mailing list > >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/warren.mercy%40hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/warren.mercy%40hotmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 10 03:35:54 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 22:35:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Let's put this thread to rest. Blessings, Joshua On 9/9/11, Candice Chapman wrote: > > I'd appreciate that. > Thanks, > Candice > >> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:57:42 -0500 >> From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> I understand that, and I appreciate you responding to my E-mail. >> Thanks alot. >> I was just worried, because I hadn't heard from you. >> Usually, I expect to receive an E-mail, within 6 hours, of it being sent. >> I'm sorry for being impatient. >> Again, I appreciate you. >> I'll E-mail you off list. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/9/11, Candice Chapman wrote: >> > >> > Joshua, >> > I don't believe that calling people out on list is going to get you any >> > results. I did not reply to your email because I was frightened by you >> > putting my name on the list and saying I hadn't emailed you back. Nor >> > was I >> > frightened that I would get into trouble or have someone reprimand me >> > for >> > not replying to your email less than 2 days after it was sent. I replied >> > to >> > your email on one of the days that I check my NABS email, simple as >> > that. In >> > order for me to be your NABS rep. I have to be a student, and that's >> > what I >> > was doing, studying. I have class generally from 8 to 5, but on fridays >> > I >> > have class until 11. I do beilieve you receied a reply email around >> > 11:30 >> > p.m central time. >> > I am new to the NABS board and therefore am still getting to know all >> > the >> > states in my region. I would appreciate it if you would have a faith >> > that I >> > will get back to you as soon as possible and a little more patience in >> > the >> > future. As many people made mention of we are all busy. I don't think >> > anyone >> > of us just sits at our computers and waits for email to come in, that is >> > evidenced by the fact that you didn't reply to my 11: 30 email until >> > 2:40 >> > p.m. >> > I will do all I can to help with the Arkansas Association of Blind >> > Students. >> > You should just keep in mind that it's not going to be the only thing >> > I'm >> > doing in a day and therefore may take a little long than 36 hours. I >> > mean, >> > unless you're volunteering to come and do my Educational Psychology >> > reading. >> > Regards, >> > Candice Chapman >> >> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:08:29 -0500 >> >> From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu >> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> >> That's right. >> >> Hopefully, it will set a precedent, so noone will have to do that, in >> >> the future. >> >> Now, they'll have to respond, for fear, that it will get out there. >> >> It's about time, someone is held accountable. >> >> I hope the Freedom Scientific, and HumanWare people read this list, as >> >> well. >> >> I called them out, on their unprofessional music, that plays, while >> >> you're on hold. >> >> Hopefully, something will happen along that front, as well. >> >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> >> > Hello Joshua and everyone, >> >> > >> >> > Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on >> >> > this >> >> > public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of >> >> > handling >> >> > matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got >> >> > results. Now for the news. >> >> > >> >> > Peter Donahue >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Joshua Lester" >> >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Mr Donahue, we're working now. >> >> > She contacted me, and I'm working on it. >> >> > Blessings, Joshua >> >> > >> >> > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> >> >> Hello Anmol and everyone, >> >> >> >> >> >> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member >> >> >> or >> >> >> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division >> >> >> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state >> >> >> convention. >> >> >> >> >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Anmol Bhatia" >> >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has >> >> >> not >> >> >> been >> >> >> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and >> >> >> October >> >> >> 15 >> >> >> and >> >> >> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would >> >> >> also >> >> >> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, >> >> >> she >> >> >> is >> >> >> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this >> >> >> helps. >> >> >> >> >> >> Anmol >> >> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. >> >> >> Perhaps >> >> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >> >> >> breeze >> >> >> among flowers. >> >> >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Joshua Lester >> >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >> >> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> >> >>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >> >> >>> regional representative.) >> >> >>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >> >> >>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >> >> >>> either. >> >> >>> I don't know what else to do. >> >> >>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >> >> >>> anymore. >> >> >>> What's going on? >> >> >>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >> >> >>> Thanks for your help. >> >> >>> Blessings, Joshua >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> >> >>> account info for nabs-l: >> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> >> for >> >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> >> for >> >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/warren.mercy%40hotmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/warren.mercy%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sat Sep 10 03:38:50 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 22:38:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking E-mail References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <001001cc6f6b$284e36a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good evening everyone, Like many students and professional people we live active and busy lives yet we always set aside time every day to check e-mail to prevent this very situation from happening. We've been doing this for many years and have never had anyone complain about our nonresponsiveness when it comes to getting back with them. Brigit's message from earlier also give some very good reasons to keep communication black holes in check. Hence I'm not alone in raising this concern. Here's hoping that Arkansas and other states wanting to build student divisions will be successful in doing so and will adopt policies to insure timely communication between members and their respective state affiliates, etc. All the best. Peter Donahue From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 10 03:56:10 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 22:56:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking E-mail In-Reply-To: <001001cc6f6b$284e36a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001001cc6f6b$284e36a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Peter, I'll put my entire life out there, on this list. I'm a Gospel Music promoter, that tries to promote groups, in this area. I also try to get other nationally known, and local groups, in my state, to come to my hometown. In promotion, if I send the manager of the Kingsmen Quartet, (for example,) an E-mail, about booking them for a concert, they have 2 days to respond. If the manager doesn't respond to the promoter, I'd consider them unprofessional, and I won't consider promoting them. I've turned down, many good groups, because of this lack of communication. They may have a professional sound, but the way they handle business is not professional. This is also true, in other aspects. For instance, the people in charge say, that a concert starts at 7 PM. I get there, and help set up, but the concert doesn't start, until 8. That's not professional, either. I have a policy, that if I promote your concert/event, it better start on time, and end on time! I'm tired of late beginnings, and late endings. Also, poor sound quality. This should go to the performance Talk list, but I'm just telling you what I go through, so you'll know why I react the way I do, sometimes. I worry about people, if they don't respond, in a given amount of time. I'm not trying to seem impatient, I'm just concerned about them. This is a day, in my life, as a student, a promoter, and a normal person. BTW, I have 58 pages to read, in World Literature, and I have to listen to another chapter for Western Civ, but I always check my E-mails. I check them 6, to 7 times a day, to make sure I don't miss anything. I expect that, from others, if possible. This also goes to another pet peeve. I have this Western Civ instructor, that says, that the most accessible way to contact him, is through E-mail. Well, I E-mailed him, 2 weeks ago, but I still haven't heard from him. I hate it, when that happens. Blessings, Joshua On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > > Good evening everyone, > Like many students and professional people we live active and busy > lives yet we always set aside time every day to check e-mail to prevent this > very situation from happening. We've been doing this for many years and have > never had anyone complain about our nonresponsiveness when it comes to > getting back with them. Brigit's message from earlier also give some very > good reasons to keep communication black holes in check. Hence I'm not alone > in raising this concern. Here's hoping that Arkansas and other states > wanting to build student divisions will be successful in doing so and will > adopt policies to insure timely communication between members and their > respective state affiliates, etc. All the best. > > Peter Donahue > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 07:34:14 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 03:34:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <5875253526362919380@unknownmsgid> Maybe I misunderstood something, but Candice Chapman clearly explained that she has a busy life and checks her nabs email only a couple of times a week, which seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't think Peter or anyone on this list made her get back to Joshua. She probably checked her email today and sent him an answer and that's all there is!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2011, at 6:04 PM, "Peter Donahue" wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this > public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling > matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got > results. Now for the news. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > Mr Donahue, we're working now. > She contacted me, and I'm working on it. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Anmol and everyone, >> >> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or >> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division >> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state convention. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anmol Bhatia" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not >> been >> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 >> and >> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also >> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she >> is >> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. >> >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >>> regional representative.) >>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >>> either. >>> I don't know what else to do. >>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >>> anymore. >>> What's going on? >>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >>> Thanks for your help. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 10 11:07:59 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 06:07:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update In-Reply-To: <5875253526362919380@unknownmsgid> References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <5875253526362919380@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Amen. Ignasi, we've reslved this. Please let's put this thread to rest. Thanks, Joshua On 9/10/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Maybe I misunderstood something, but Candice Chapman clearly explained > that she has a busy life and checks her nabs email only a couple of > times a week, which seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't think > Peter or anyone on this list made her get back to Joshua. She probably > checked her email today and sent him an answer and that's all there > is!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 6:04 PM, "Peter Donahue" wrote: > >> Hello Joshua and everyone, >> >> Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this >> public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling >> matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got >> results. Now for the news. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> Mr Donahue, we're working now. >> She contacted me, and I'm working on it. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Anmol and everyone, >>> >>> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or >>> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division >>> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state >>> convention. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Anmol Bhatia" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>> >>> >>> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not >>> been >>> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 >>> and >>> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also >>> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she >>> is >>> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Anmol >>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >>> breeze >>> among flowers. >>> Hellen Keller >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >>>> regional representative.) >>>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >>>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >>>> either. >>>> I don't know what else to do. >>>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >>>> anymore. >>>> What's going on? >>>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >>>> Thanks for your help. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From singingmywayin at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 12:32:32 2011 From: singingmywayin at gmail.com (Danielle Antoine) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 07:32:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Scanning Software Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone know of some scanning software that I may download or get for free? I know Open Book has a demo and I had it and the 30 days timed out and I can't download a copy again. You know something like NVDA? I had Open Book 7 but since I have a Windows 7 system it is not compatible.Thanks. From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sat Sep 10 13:39:16 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:39:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking E-mail References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <5875253526362919380@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <001101cc6fbf$0950f900$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good morning everyone, Around here we check our e-mail several times a day as I'm doing right now. It only takes but 5 minutes to do so if not less. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update Maybe I misunderstood something, but Candice Chapman clearly explained that she has a busy life and checks her nabs email only a couple of times a week, which seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't think Peter or anyone on this list made her get back to Joshua. She probably checked her email today and sent him an answer and that's all there is!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2011, at 6:04 PM, "Peter Donahue" wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this > public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling > matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got > results. Now for the news. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > Mr Donahue, we're working now. > She contacted me, and I'm working on it. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Anmol and everyone, >> >> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or >> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division >> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state >> convention. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anmol Bhatia" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not >> been >> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 >> and >> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also >> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she >> is >> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. >> >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >> breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >>> regional representative.) >>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >>> either. >>> I don't know what else to do. >>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >>> anymore. >>> What's going on? >>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >>> Thanks for your help. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sat Sep 10 13:43:32 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:43:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking E-mail References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><001001cc6f6b$284e36a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <001d01cc6fbf$a1b32290$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Josh, and everyone, If I were hiring a concert promoter you're the kind of person I'd give strong consideration to. It's all a part of integrity; a subject discussed during this year's Employment Seminar at the national convention. The Kingsmen Quartet is great. We've heard them sing at a church we once attended in Cedar Park Texas. Have you also heard the Cathedral Quartet? Blessings. Peter Donahue ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Checking E-mail Peter, I'll put my entire life out there, on this list. I'm a Gospel Music promoter, that tries to promote groups, in this area. I also try to get other nationally known, and local groups, in my state, to come to my hometown. In promotion, if I send the manager of the Kingsmen Quartet, (for example,) an E-mail, about booking them for a concert, they have 2 days to respond. If the manager doesn't respond to the promoter, I'd consider them unprofessional, and I won't consider promoting them. I've turned down, many good groups, because of this lack of communication. They may have a professional sound, but the way they handle business is not professional. This is also true, in other aspects. For instance, the people in charge say, that a concert starts at 7 PM. I get there, and help set up, but the concert doesn't start, until 8. That's not professional, either. I have a policy, that if I promote your concert/event, it better start on time, and end on time! I'm tired of late beginnings, and late endings. Also, poor sound quality. This should go to the performance Talk list, but I'm just telling you what I go through, so you'll know why I react the way I do, sometimes. I worry about people, if they don't respond, in a given amount of time. I'm not trying to seem impatient, I'm just concerned about them. This is a day, in my life, as a student, a promoter, and a normal person. BTW, I have 58 pages to read, in World Literature, and I have to listen to another chapter for Western Civ, but I always check my E-mails. I check them 6, to 7 times a day, to make sure I don't miss anything. I expect that, from others, if possible. This also goes to another pet peeve. I have this Western Civ instructor, that says, that the most accessible way to contact him, is through E-mail. Well, I E-mailed him, 2 weeks ago, but I still haven't heard from him. I hate it, when that happens. Blessings, Joshua On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > > Good evening everyone, > Like many students and professional people we live active and busy > lives yet we always set aside time every day to check e-mail to prevent > this > very situation from happening. We've been doing this for many years and > have > never had anyone complain about our nonresponsiveness when it comes to > getting back with them. Brigit's message from earlier also give some very > good reasons to keep communication black holes in check. Hence I'm not > alone > in raising this concern. Here's hoping that Arkansas and other states > wanting to build student divisions will be successful in doing so and will > adopt policies to insure timely communication between members and their > respective state affiliates, etc. All the best. > > Peter Donahue > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 10 13:47:04 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:47:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking E-mail In-Reply-To: <001d01cc6fbf$a1b32290$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001001cc6f6b$284e36a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001d01cc6fbf$a1b32290$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Can we please move the discussion about E-mails, off list? Thanks, Joshua On 9/10/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Josh, and everyone, > > If I were hiring a concert promoter you're the kind of person I'd give > strong consideration to. It's all a part of integrity; a subject discussed > during this year's Employment Seminar at the national convention. The > Kingsmen Quartet is great. We've heard them sing at a church we once > attended in Cedar Park Texas. Have you also heard the Cathedral Quartet? > Blessings. > > Peter Donahue > ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:56 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Checking E-mail > > > Peter, I'll put my entire life out there, on this list. > I'm a Gospel Music promoter, that tries to promote groups, in this area. > I also try to get other nationally known, and local groups, in my > state, to come to my hometown. > In promotion, if I send the manager of the Kingsmen Quartet, (for > example,) an E-mail, about booking them for a concert, they have 2 > days to respond. > If the manager doesn't respond to the promoter, I'd consider them > unprofessional, and I won't consider promoting them. > I've turned down, many good groups, because of this lack of communication. > They may have a professional sound, but the way they handle business > is not professional. > This is also true, in other aspects. > For instance, the people in charge say, that a concert starts at 7 PM. > I get there, and help set up, but the concert doesn't start, until 8. > That's not professional, either. > I have a policy, that if I promote your concert/event, it better start > on time, and end on time! > I'm tired of late beginnings, and late endings. > Also, poor sound quality. > This should go to the performance Talk list, but I'm just telling you > what I go through, so you'll know why I react the way I do, sometimes. > I worry about people, if they don't respond, in a given amount of time. > I'm not trying to seem impatient, I'm just concerned about them. > This is a day, in my life, as a student, a promoter, and a normal person. > BTW, I have 58 pages to read, in World Literature, and I have to > listen to another chapter for Western Civ, but I always check my > E-mails. > I check them 6, to 7 times a day, to make sure I don't miss anything. > I expect that, from others, if possible. > This also goes to another pet peeve. > I have this Western Civ instructor, that says, that the most > accessible way to contact him, is through E-mail. > Well, I E-mailed him, 2 weeks ago, but I still haven't heard from him. > I hate it, when that happens. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> >> Good evening everyone, >> Like many students and professional people we live active and busy >> lives yet we always set aside time every day to check e-mail to prevent >> this >> very situation from happening. We've been doing this for many years and >> have >> never had anyone complain about our nonresponsiveness when it comes to >> getting back with them. Brigit's message from earlier also give some very >> good reasons to keep communication black holes in check. Hence I'm not >> alone >> in raising this concern. Here's hoping that Arkansas and other states >> wanting to build student divisions will be successful in doing so and will >> adopt policies to insure timely communication between members and their >> respective state affiliates, etc. All the best. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sat Sep 10 16:10:30 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:10:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Message-ID: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here in the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a unified braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and constructions." Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action now. Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia which have larger populations of braille users? Sincerely, SusanJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 21:40:41 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:40:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lack of communication In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arielle, Thanks for clarifying that. I agree about the student division base. It's important to include, and invite, all students, or possible students, to participate. Any group can't survive without a strong base. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:05:20 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lack of communication Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Bridgit and all, There is no nationwide standard for student status; it's all up to the constitution in one's particular student division. Generally, student division presidents must be students or recent graduates (i.e. students in the previous year) but other officer positions can be students or not depending on how your state decides to write its constitution. Even if young adult non-students cannot serve in office, however, they can comprise an important part of a student division's membership base. Many non-students are considering school, or are recent graduates looking for jobs. They need the information and networking student divisions offer as much as, or perhaps more than, current students do. Best, Arielle From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 10 22:08:20 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:08:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth > braillecode > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here in > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a unified > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > constructions." > > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the Braille > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action > now. > > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia > which have larger populations of braille users? > > Sincerely, > SusanJ > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth > braillecode > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Sep 10 22:17:24 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:17:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87C97B02DC1848E9BE72A76A7C122F76@OwnerPC> They shouldn't abolish nemeth! I did not use it much because I was encouraged to use large print for math. It is a little easier to cross out numbers and make a graph in print. So I didn't mind their decission. That said, I have been exposed to it. I remember doing long division in braille on the perkins. Nemeth should stay. I like it because you know the difference between reading math symbols and literay symbols and do not have to rely on context for that. If you know when the meeting is and its location, I'll try and come. Baltimore is not that far from me. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:10 PM To: NABS-L Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here in the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a unified braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and constructions." Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action now. Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia which have larger populations of braille users? Sincerely, SusanJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 22:20:30 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:20:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's right, Joshua! Abolish the Nemeth code, and replace it with what? A whole new code that BANA would make up and then we students would have to suddenly drop all we know about Nemeth and switch to some other code? That would slow the process down so much, and we don't need to slow it down! Chris On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm all for a unified Braille code. > That code, is the Nemeth Code! > Leave it alone! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code >> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemeth >> braillecode >> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National >> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing >> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here >> in >> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the >> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a >> unified >> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine >> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> constructions." >> >> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the >> Braille >> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and >> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal >> code." >> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and >> will >> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the >> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the >> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action >> now. >> >> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code >> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and >> Indonesia >> which have larger populations of braille users? >> >> Sincerely, >> SusanJ >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemeth >> braillecode >> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 22:36:31 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:36:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking E-mail In-Reply-To: <001101cc6fbf$0950f900$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <5875253526362919380@unknownmsgid> <001101cc6fbf$0950f900$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Peter and everyone, Yes, if you don't open all the emails. I often go in and read the subject lines of my emails, then when I have more time, I'll go back in and read the ones I want to read. Chris On 9/10/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good morning everyone, > > Around here we check our e-mail several times a day as I'm doing right now. > It only takes but 5 minutes to do so if not less. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ignasi Cambra" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 2:34 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > Maybe I misunderstood something, but Candice Chapman clearly explained > that she has a busy life and checks her nabs email only a couple of > times a week, which seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't think > Peter or anyone on this list made her get back to Joshua. She probably > checked her email today and sent him an answer and that's all there > is!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 6:04 PM, "Peter Donahue" wrote: > >> Hello Joshua and everyone, >> >> Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this >> public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling >> matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got >> results. Now for the news. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> Mr Donahue, we're working now. >> She contacted me, and I'm working on it. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Anmol and everyone, >>> >>> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or >>> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division >>> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state >>> convention. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Anmol Bhatia" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>> >>> >>> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not >>> been >>> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 >>> and >>> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also >>> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she >>> is >>> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Anmol >>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >>> breeze >>> among flowers. >>> Hellen Keller >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >>>> regional representative.) >>>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >>>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >>>> either. >>>> I don't know what else to do. >>>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >>>> anymore. >>>> What's going on? >>>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >>>> Thanks for your help. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 10 22:36:54 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:36:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They're stupid, IMO!) What would Doctor Nemeth say about this? I wish he'd join this list, so he can discuss this stuff. He'd be appalled! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > That's right, Joshua! Abolish the Nemeth code, and replace it with > what? A whole new code that BANA would make up and then we students > would have to suddenly drop all we know about Nemeth and switch to > some other code? That would slow the process down so much, and we > don't need to slow it down! > > Chris > > On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I'm all for a unified Braille code. >> That code, is the Nemeth Code! >> Leave it alone! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code >>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>> >>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the >>> Nemeth >>> braillecode >>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National >>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>> providing >>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here >>> in >>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the >>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a >>> unified >>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine >>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>> constructions." >>> >>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the >>> Braille >>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and >>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal >>> code." >>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and >>> will >>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>> >>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the >>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the >>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take >>> action >>> now. >>> >>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth >>> code >>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and >>> Indonesia >>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> SusanJ >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the >>> Nemeth >>> braillecode >>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 23:04:23 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:04:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Evening all: What exactly is the problem with the Nemeth Code that it needs to be abolished? It would seem far more efficient to just keep the same thing that we've always used, rather than drop Nemeth, create something new, and have everyone have to re-learn everything. If it's not broken, don't fix it. That said, I don't have the full story in front of me. What exactly would the new code be? Would it be a combination of Nemeth and something else, like literary Braille? Or would it be something entirely new? I'm very curious to hear more about this and see where it goes. Patrick On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > They're stupid, IMO!) > What would Doctor Nemeth say about this? > I wish he'd join this list, so he can discuss this stuff. > He'd be appalled! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> That's right, Joshua! Abolish the Nemeth code, and replace it with >> what? A whole new code that BANA would make up and then we students >> would have to suddenly drop all we know about Nemeth and switch to >> some other code? That would slow the process down so much, and we >> don't need to slow it down! >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>> That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>> Leave it alone! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code >>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>> >>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>> Nemeth >>>> braillecode >>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National >>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>> providing >>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers >>>> here >>>> in >>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the >>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a >>>> unified >>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine >>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>> constructions." >>>> >>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the >>>> Braille >>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and >>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal >>>> code." >>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and >>>> will >>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>> >>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the >>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the >>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take >>>> action >>>> now. >>>> >>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth >>>> code >>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and >>>> Indonesia >>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> SusanJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>> Nemeth >>>> braillecode >>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 10 23:10:23 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:10:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please E-mail your resolutions committee. We need an NFB resolution, to save the Nemeth Code. Thanks, Joshua On 9/10/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Evening all: > What exactly is the problem with the Nemeth Code that it needs to be > abolished? It would seem far more efficient to just keep the same > thing that we've always used, rather than drop Nemeth, create > something new, and have everyone have to re-learn everything. If it's > not broken, don't fix it. That said, I don't have the full story in > front of me. What exactly would the new code be? Would it be a > combination of Nemeth and something else, like literary Braille? Or > would it be something entirely new? I'm very curious to hear more > about this and see where it goes. > Patrick > > On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> They're stupid, IMO!) >> What would Doctor Nemeth say about this? >> I wish he'd join this list, so he can discuss this stuff. >> He'd be appalled! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >>> That's right, Joshua! Abolish the Nemeth code, and replace it with >>> what? A whole new code that BANA would make up and then we students >>> would have to suddenly drop all we know about Nemeth and switch to >>> some other code? That would slow the process down so much, and we >>> don't need to slow it down! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>> That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>> Leave it alone! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>> wrote: >>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code >>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>>> >>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>> Nemeth >>>>> braillecode >>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>>> National >>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>>> providing >>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers >>>>> here >>>>> in >>>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in >>>>> the >>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a >>>>> unified >>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine >>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>>> constructions." >>>>> >>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the >>>>> Braille >>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and >>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal >>>>> code." >>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and >>>>> will >>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in >>>>> the >>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the >>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take >>>>> action >>>>> now. >>>>> >>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth >>>>> code >>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and >>>>> Indonesia >>>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> SusanJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>> Nemeth >>>>> braillecode >>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 23:43:54 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:43:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode Message-ID: <4e6bf650.5358340a.30b4.1d14@mx.google.com> Yes, but I don't think he would join the student's list, given his age. * Smile! I'd doubt he has an email in the first place. You can, however, listen to the late Dr. Z's (short for Betsy Zaborowski's) interview with Dr. Nemeth in Straight Talk about Vision Loss Episode 7, which you can find on nfb.org. While they are stupid sometimes, they make up the Braille rules that all transcribers have to follow. In other words, they make the Braille laws. As far as lawmaking stupidity, we can say the same about our Congressmen and other lawmakers sometimes. * Smile! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: That's right, Joshua! Abolish the Nemeth code, and replace it with what? A whole new code that BANA would make up and then we students would have to suddenly drop all we know about Nemeth and switch to some other code? That would slow the process down so much, and we don't need to slow it down! Chris On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here in the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a unified braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and constructions." Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action now. Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia which have larger populations of braille users? Sincerely, SusanJ ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 23:49:11 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:49:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode Message-ID: <4e6bf78c.cf12e00a.4e47.ffffdf77@mx.google.com> Hi Joshua, I happen to know the chairman of the national NFB resolutions committee. Her name is Sharon Maneki, and you can email her at nfbmd at earthlink.net. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Evening all: What exactly is the problem with the Nemeth Code that it needs to be abolished? It would seem far more efficient to just keep the same thing that we've always used, rather than drop Nemeth, create something new, and have everyone have to re-learn everything. If it's not broken, don't fix it. That said, I don't have the full story in front of me. What exactly would the new code be? Would it be a combination of Nemeth and something else, like literary Braille? Or would it be something entirely new? I'm very curious to hear more about this and see where it goes. Patrick On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: They're stupid, IMO!) What would Doctor Nemeth say about this? I wish he'd join this list, so he can discuss this stuff. He'd be appalled! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, chris nusbaum wrote: That's right, Joshua! Abolish the Nemeth code, and replace it with what? A whole new code that BANA would make up and then we students would have to suddenly drop all we know about Nemeth and switch to some other code? That would slow the process down so much, and we don't need to slow it down! Chris On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home References: <4e6bf78c.cf12e00a.4e47.ffffdf77@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Chris. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > I happen to know the chairman of the national NFB resolutions > committee. Her name is Sharon Maneki, and you can email her at > nfbmd at earthlink.net. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:10:23 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > Nemeth braillecode > > Please E-mail your resolutions committee. > We need an NFB resolution, to save the Nemeth Code. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Evening all: > What exactly is the problem with the Nemeth Code that it needs > to be > abolished? It would seem far more efficient to just keep the > same > thing that we've always used, rather than drop Nemeth, create > something new, and have everyone have to re-learn everything. > If it's > not broken, don't fix it. That said, I don't have the full > story in > front of me. What exactly would the new code be? Would it be a > combination of Nemeth and something else, like literary Braille? > Or > would it be something entirely new? I'm very curious to hear > more > about this and see where it goes. > Patrick > > On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester > wrote: > They're stupid, IMO!) > What would Doctor Nemeth say about this? > I wish he'd join this list, so he can discuss this stuff. > He'd be appalled! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > That's right, Joshua! Abolish the Nemeth code, and replace it > with > what? A whole new code that BANA would make up and then we > students > would have to suddenly drop all we know about Nemeth and switch > to > some other code? That would slow the process down so much, and > we > don't need to slow it down! > > Chris > > On 9/10/11, Joshua Lester > wrote: > I'm all for a unified Braille code. > That code, is the Nemeth Code! > Leave it alone! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > wrote: > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille > code > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering > abolishing the > Nemeth > braillecode > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > author ] > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the > National > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > providing > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > transcribers > here > in > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some > point in > the > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > about a > unified > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > combine > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > constructions." > > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > the > Braille > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA > "Education and > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a > universal > code." > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, > 2011 and > will > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of > maths in > the > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior > to the > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to > take > action > now. > > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the > Nemeth > code > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India > and > Indonesia > which have larger populations of braille users? > > Sincerely, > SusanJ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering > abolishing the > Nemeth > braillecode > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > author ] > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, > blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Sep 11 00:43:15 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:43:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Enterprise Car Rental Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Service learning is a huge component of what I do in public higher education and it will be part of what I want to do as an ultimate career goal. I cannot drive so when we go on service learning trips I have someone else drive the car and I pay for the rental. This isn't always the scenario but this is the scenario I have a question about. The renter at enterprise said that it could not be a different person paying for the car than driving it. She also stated in order to do this in the future we should have government paperwork stating as such. This seems ridiculously unfair to me and that they should have some kind of system for this. I cannot be the only blind person that ever had another person drive a car and payed for it? Thoughts, suggestions, opinions, welcome. Thanks. :) David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 00:51:34 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:51:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Checking E-mail In-Reply-To: <001101cc6fbf$0950f900$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <1315589756.85412.YahooMailClassic@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001401cc6f37$4fbfb530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000901cc6f3c$36ad7500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <5875253526362919380@unknownmsgid> <001101cc6fbf$0950f900$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Here's another tip about checking email that I forgot to mention in my earlier post. Before school started, I set up a seperate Gmail account only for emails for school, now that I get most of my classwork through email. I only gave this email address to my teachers, my TVI, and my IA (instructional assistant.) This way, I can seperate the emails I need for school with my personal emails. I'm also subscribed to this and other lists with my home email address. Because of this, I can seperate the school emails with the many emails I get from lists. Now, I know a lot of colleges give students an email address on the college's server, but if your college doesn't do that or you're not in college, that might help you control your emails and get to the ones you really need to read sooner. Hope this helps! Chris On 9/10/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good morning everyone, > > Around here we check our e-mail several times a day as I'm doing right now. > It only takes but 5 minutes to do so if not less. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ignasi Cambra" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 2:34 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update > > > Maybe I misunderstood something, but Candice Chapman clearly explained > that she has a busy life and checks her nabs email only a couple of > times a week, which seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't think > Peter or anyone on this list made her get back to Joshua. She probably > checked her email today and sent him an answer and that's all there > is!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 6:04 PM, "Peter Donahue" wrote: > >> Hello Joshua and everyone, >> >> Great! It's just too bad that it took calling folks to account on this >> public list to make it happen. People have questioned my way of handling >> matters of this kind on these list. There's only one problem. It got >> results. Now for the news. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >> >> >> Mr Donahue, we're working now. >> She contacted me, and I'm working on it. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/9/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Anmol and everyone, >>> >>> But she could give him a point-of-contact be it another board member or >>> someone else who could assist him with getting the student division >>> organized. Cheers for the suggestion that he attend your state >>> convention. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Anmol Bhatia" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>> >>> >>> I think you must be refering to me when you said "our Arkansan has not >>> been >>> posting here lightly". Our state convention is October 14 and October 15 >>> and >>> the best thing would be to come to that to discuss anything. I would also >>> call Terry instead of emailing. With convention and everything else, she >>> is >>> pretty busy and may not necessaryly get back to you. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Anmol >>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >>> breeze >>> among flowers. >>> Hellen Keller >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Arkansas Association of Blind Students update >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 3:43 AM >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> I still haven't heard from Candice Chapman, (my new >>>> regional representative.) >>>> I E-mailed her, 2 days ago. >>>> I've asked my state president, but she hasn't responded >>>> either. >>>> I don't know what else to do. >>>> I've noticed that our other Arkansan isn't posting, >>>> anymore. >>>> What's going on? >>>> If anyone would be interested, he would be. >>>> Thanks for your help. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 01:27:22 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:27:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Enterprise Car Rental In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-3880841437407780703@unknownmsgid> When you make a reservation just give them your card number. I've done this before and never had a problem. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2011, at 8:44 PM, David Dodge wrote: > Hello Everyone, > Service learning is a huge component of what I do in public higher education > and it will be part of what I want to do as an ultimate career goal. I > cannot drive so when we go on service learning trips I have someone else > drive the car and I pay for the rental. This isn't always the scenario but > this is the scenario I have a question about. > > The renter at enterprise said that it could not be a different person paying > for the car than driving it. She also stated in order to do this in the > future we should have government paperwork stating as such. This seems > ridiculously unfair to me and that they should have some kind of system for > this. I cannot be the only blind person that ever had another person drive a > car and payed for it? Thoughts, suggestions, opinions, welcome. Thanks. :) > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From davidb521 at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 01:39:33 2011 From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:39:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Enterprise Car Rental In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e6c1157.0b14640a.1a20.ffffbceb@mx.google.com> Hello, David. I agree with you. However, I am not sure how this would work. I know very little about renting the car, but I do understand that the regulations are quite specific in regard to insurance. Perhaps that is the problem. It could be that the person paying for the car must assume responsibility for anything that may happen during the rental period, and since you are not driving the car, you can't assume such responsibility in a situation such as an accident. This is just speculation on my part. If I were in your position, I would reimburse the driver either before or after he/she made the rent on a case by case basis. Thoughts? David Regards, David Bouchard -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dodge Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Enterprise Car Rental Hello Everyone, Service learning is a huge component of what I do in public higher education and it will be part of what I want to do as an ultimate career goal. I cannot drive so when we go on service learning trips I have someone else drive the car and I pay for the rental. This isn't always the scenario but this is the scenario I have a question about. The renter at enterprise said that it could not be a different person paying for the car than driving it. She also stated in order to do this in the future we should have government paperwork stating as such. This seems ridiculously unfair to me and that they should have some kind of system for this. I cannot be the only blind person that ever had another person drive a car and payed for it? Thoughts, suggestions, opinions, welcome. Thanks. :) David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 03:50:51 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:50:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: >I'm all for a unified Braille code. >That code, is the Nemeth Code! >Leave it alone! >Blessings, Joshua > >On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code > > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > > > > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing > the Nemeth > > braillecode > > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National > > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing > > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > transcribers here in > > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the > > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > about a unified > > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine > > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > > constructions." > > > > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > the Braille > > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and > > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." > > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will > > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > > > > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the > > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the > > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action > > now. > > > > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code > > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia > > which have larger populations of braille users? > > > > Sincerely, > > SusanJ > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing > the Nemeth > > braillecode > > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 04:06:57 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Carly, it's shameful. I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. Hopefully, I'll hear something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Joshua, > > I'm with ya, brother! > > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. > 2011, you wrote: >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>Leave it alone! >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> > >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing >> the Nemeth >> > braillecode >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> > providing >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> transcribers here in >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> about a unified >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> > constructions." >> > >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> the Braille >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal >> > code." >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and >> > will >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> > >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take >> > action >> > now. >> > >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth >> > code >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and >> > Indonesia >> > which have larger populations of braille users? >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > SusanJ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 04:28:50 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:28:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >Carly, it's shameful. >I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >Hopefully, I'll hear something. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Joshua, > > > > I'm with ya, brother! > > > > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know > > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning > > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. > > 2011, you wrote: > >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. > >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! > >>Leave it alone! > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code > >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > >> > > >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing > >> the Nemeth > >> > braillecode > >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National > >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > >> > providing > >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > >> transcribers here in > >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the > >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > >> about a unified > >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine > >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > >> > constructions." > >> > > >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > >> the Braille > >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and > >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal > >> > code." > >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and > >> > will > >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > >> > > >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the > >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the > >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take > >> > action > >> > now. > >> > > >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth > >> > code > >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and > >> > Indonesia > >> > which have larger populations of braille users? > >> > > >> > Sincerely, > >> > SusanJ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > > >> > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > thlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 04:33:49 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Wow! The cursing is back! We have an eighth grader, on this list. Please keep the profanety down. Thanks, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Joshua, > > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not > being significant capital, behind this braille unification > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>Carly, it's shameful. >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hi, Joshua, >> > >> > I'm with ya, brother! >> > >> > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know >> > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning >> > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. >> > 2011, you wrote: >> >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >> >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >> >>Leave it alone! >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> >> wrote: >> >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code >> >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >> > >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing >> >> the Nemeth >> >> > braillecode >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >> >> > National >> >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> >> > providing >> >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> >> transcribers here in >> >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in >> >> > the >> >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> >> about a unified >> >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >> >> > combine >> >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> >> > constructions." >> >> > >> >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> >> the Braille >> >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and >> >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal >> >> > code." >> >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 >> >> > and >> >> > will >> >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >> > >> >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in >> >> > the >> >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to >> >> > the >> >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take >> >> > action >> >> > now. >> >> > >> >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth >> >> > code >> >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and >> >> > Indonesia >> >> > which have larger populations of braille users? >> >> > >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> > SusanJ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear >> thlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 05:48:22 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 22:48:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910223711.01d79320@earthlink.net> Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be able to effect, some change! Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: >Wow! >The cursing is back! >We have an eighth grader, on this list. >Please keep the profanety down. >Thanks, Joshua > >On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Joshua, > > > > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not > > being significant capital, behind this braille unification > > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and > > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I > > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 > > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>Carly, it's shameful. > >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. > >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi, Joshua, > >> > > >> > I'm with ya, brother! > >> > > >> > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > >> > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know > >> > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning > >> > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. > >> > 2011, you wrote: > >> >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. > >> >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! > >> >>Leave it alone! > >> >>Blessings, Joshua > >> >> > >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code > >> >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > >> >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > >> >> > > >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing > >> >> the Nemeth > >> >> > braillecode > >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > > >> >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the > >> >> > National > >> >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > >> >> > providing > >> >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > >> >> transcribers here in > >> >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in > >> >> > the > >> >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > >> >> about a unified > >> >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > >> >> > combine > >> >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > >> >> > constructions." > >> >> > > >> >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > >> >> the Braille > >> >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and > >> >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal > >> >> > code." > >> >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 > >> >> > and > >> >> > will > >> >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > >> >> > > >> >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in > >> >> > the > >> >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to > >> >> > the > >> >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take > >> >> > action > >> >> > now. > >> >> > > >> >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth > >> >> > code > >> >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and > >> >> > Indonesia > >> >> > which have larger populations of braille users? > >> >> > > >> >> > Sincerely, > >> >> > SusanJ > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> > nabs-l: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >>nabs-l mailing list > >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > >> thlink.net > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > thlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Sun Sep 11 09:51:01 2011 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:51:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Enterprise Car Rental References: Message-ID: I have rented vehicles before. There is no law against it and no, you need not bd the same person renting and driving. It even happens with sighted people as well. The lady or whatever you were dealing with is ignorant and vastly uniformed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:43 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Enterprise Car Rental > Hello Everyone, > Service learning is a huge component of what I do in public higher > education > and it will be part of what I want to do as an ultimate career goal. I > cannot drive so when we go on service learning trips I have someone else > drive the car and I pay for the rental. This isn't always the scenario but > this is the scenario I have a question about. > > The renter at enterprise said that it could not be a different person > paying > for the car than driving it. She also stated in order to do this in the > future we should have government paperwork stating as such. This seems > ridiculously unfair to me and that they should have some kind of system > for > this. I cannot be the only blind person that ever had another person drive > a > car and payed for it? Thoughts, suggestions, opinions, welcome. Thanks. :) > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 12:02:07 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:02:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910223711.01d79320@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910223711.01d79320@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm not immature. I just don't like having profanety on the lists, in case a child is on it. Sure they might be exposed to it, but we need to keep it to a minimum. I agreed with you, that the idea, to change our code, is bologna. You can say that, without using "BS." Crap, even may be better suited for the list, than the S word. I'm just saying this, for the protection of newcomers. Again, I wasn't offended directly. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: > > > Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did > you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted > by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more > comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do > these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that > resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? > Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the > BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be > able to effect, some change! > Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: >>Wow! >>The cursing is back! >>We have an eighth grader, on this list. >>Please keep the profanety down. >>Thanks, Joshua >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hi, Joshua, >> > >> > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not >> > being significant capital, behind this braille unification >> > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >> > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I >> > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 >> > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>Carly, it's shameful. >> >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >> >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi, Joshua, >> >> > >> >> > I'm with ya, brother! >> >> > >> >> > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> >> > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know >> >> > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning >> >> > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. >> >> > 2011, you wrote: >> >> >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >> >> >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >> >> >>Leave it alone! >> >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >> >> >> > code >> >> >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> >> >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing >> >> >> the Nemeth >> >> >> > braillecode >> >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author >> >> >> > ] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >> >> >> > National >> >> >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> >> >> > providing >> >> >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> >> >> transcribers here in >> >> >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point >> >> >> > in >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> >> >> about a unified >> >> >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >> >> >> > combine >> >> >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> >> >> > constructions." >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> >> >> the Braille >> >> >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >> >> >> > universal >> >> >> > code." >> >> >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > will >> >> >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths >> >> >> > in >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >> >> >> > take >> >> >> > action >> >> >> > now. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >> >> >> > Nemeth >> >> >> > code >> >> >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and >> >> >> > Indonesia >> >> >> > which have larger populations of braille users? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> >> > SusanJ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author >> >> >> > ] >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear >> >> thlink.net >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear >> thlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 13:55:37 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:55:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910223711.01d79320@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911064909.01d35c60@earthlink.net> Good morning, Joshua, bologna? really? Are we 5 year olds? I am not at all being defensive with this I assure you it's just that can't we call it out for what it is? Also, is compelling a kid to use words like "bologna" or "poopoo," really all that different other than being a weaker, more watered down synopsis of what he's really feeling? At 05:02 AM 9/11/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >I'm not immature. >I just don't like having profanety on the lists, in case a child is on it. >Sure they might be exposed to it, but we need to keep it to a minimum. >I agreed with you, that the idea, to change our code, is bologna. >You can say that, without using "BS." >Crap, even may be better suited for the list, than the S word. >I'm just saying this, for the protection of newcomers. >Again, I wasn't offended directly. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did > > you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted > > by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more > > comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do > > these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that > > resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? > > Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the > > BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be > > able to effect, some change! > > Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: > >>Wow! > >>The cursing is back! > >>We have an eighth grader, on this list. > >>Please keep the profanety down. > >>Thanks, Joshua > >> > >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi, Joshua, > >> > > >> > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not > >> > being significant capital, behind this braille unification > >> > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and > >> > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I > >> > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 > >> > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> >>Carly, it's shameful. > >> >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. > >> >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. > >> >>Blessings, Joshua > >> >> > >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Hi, Joshua, > >> >> > > >> >> > I'm with ya, brother! > >> >> > > >> >> > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > >> >> > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know > >> >> > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning > >> >> > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. > >> >> > 2011, you wrote: > >> >> >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. > >> >> >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! > >> >> >>Leave it alone! > >> >> >>Blessings, Joshua > >> >> >> > >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille > >> >> >> > code > >> >> >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > >> >> >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > >> >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing > >> >> >> the Nemeth > >> >> >> > braillecode > >> >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author > >> >> >> > ] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the > >> >> >> > National > >> >> >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > >> >> >> > providing > >> >> >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > >> >> >> transcribers here in > >> >> >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point > >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > >> >> >> about a unified > >> >> >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > >> >> >> > combine > >> >> >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > >> >> >> > constructions." > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > >> >> >> the Braille > >> >> >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a > >> >> >> > universal > >> >> >> > code." > >> >> >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > will > >> >> >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths > >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to > >> >> >> > take > >> >> >> > action > >> >> >> > now. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the > >> >> >> > Nemeth > >> >> >> > code > >> >> >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and > >> >> >> > Indonesia > >> >> >> > which have larger populations of braille users? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Sincerely, > >> >> >> > SusanJ > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author > >> >> >> > ] > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > nabs-l: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >> >>nabs-l mailing list > >> >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> >> nabs-l: > >> >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > >> >> thlink.net > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> > nabs-l: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >>nabs-l mailing list > >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > >> thlink.net > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > thlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 16:54:38 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:54:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911064909.01d35c60@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910223711.01d79320@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911064909.01d35c60@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Call it whatever, but remember, in the South, that kind of language is looked down upon. I'm a Southerner. Also, as a Christian, I'm told in my Bible, not to let corrupt communication proceed out of my mouth. If Jesus wouldn't talk like that, I won't. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: > > > > Good morning, Joshua, > > bologna? really? Are we 5 year olds? > I am not at all being defensive with this I assure you it's just that > can't we call it out for what it is? > Also, is compelling a kid to use words like "bologna" or "poopoo," > really all that different other than being a weaker, more watered > down synopsis of what he's really feeling? > At 05:02 AM 9/11/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>I'm not immature. >>I just don't like having profanety on the lists, in case a child is on it. >>Sure they might be exposed to it, but we need to keep it to a minimum. >>I agreed with you, that the idea, to change our code, is bologna. >>You can say that, without using "BS." >>Crap, even may be better suited for the list, than the S word. >>I'm just saying this, for the protection of newcomers. >>Again, I wasn't offended directly. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: >> > >> > >> > Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did >> > you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted >> > by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more >> > comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do >> > these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that >> > resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? >> > Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the >> > BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be >> > able to effect, some change! >> > Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: >> >>Wow! >> >>The cursing is back! >> >>We have an eighth grader, on this list. >> >>Please keep the profanety down. >> >>Thanks, Joshua >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi, Joshua, >> >> > >> >> > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not >> >> > being significant capital, behind this braille unification >> >> > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >> >> > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I >> >> > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 >> >> > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >> >>Carly, it's shameful. >> >> >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >> >> >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >> >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hi, Joshua, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I'm with ya, brother! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> >> >> > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >> >> >> > know >> >> >> > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >> >> >> > meaning >> >> >> > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. >> >> >> > 2011, you wrote: >> >> >> >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >> >> >> >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >> >> >> >>Leave it alone! >> >> >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth >> >> >> >> > braille >> >> >> >> > code >> >> >> >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> >> >> >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> >> >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >> >> >> >> > abolishing >> >> >> >> the Nemeth >> >> >> >> > braillecode >> >> >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >> >> >> >> > author >> >> >> >> > ] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >> >> >> >> > National >> >> >> >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional >> >> >> >> > organization >> >> >> >> > providing >> >> >> >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> >> >> >> transcribers here in >> >> >> >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >> >> >> >> > point >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> >> >> >> about a unified >> >> >> >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >> >> >> >> > combine >> >> >> >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > constructions." >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> the Braille >> >> >> >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >> >> >> >> > "Education >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >> >> >> >> > universal >> >> >> >> > code." >> >> >> >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >> >> >> >> > 2011 >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > will >> >> >> >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >> >> >> >> > maths >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >> >> >> >> > take >> >> >> >> > action >> >> >> >> > now. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >> >> >> >> > Nemeth >> >> >> >> > code >> >> >> >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > Indonesia >> >> >> >> > which have larger populations of braille users? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> >> >> > SusanJ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > a.. 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But Enterprise is saying you can't pay for the car without driving it? Am I misunderstanding this? The reason I ask is if you pay for the car, they don't have any control over who drives the car once they give it to you and your friend. Maybe I'm confused? Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dodge I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me know. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here in the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a unified braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and constructions." Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action now. Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia which have larger populations of braille users? Sincerely, SusanJ ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 17:31:37 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode Message-ID: <4e6cf08f.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa8@mx.google.com> Hi Joshua, I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! * Smiles! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: Carly, it's shameful. I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. Hopefully, I'll hear something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Hi Carly, Well, resident 8th grader agrees with you completely!!! * Smiles! Call it what it is, sister! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: Carly, it's shameful. I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. Hopefully, I'll hear something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Joshua, Neither was I! In fact, I agreed with Carly! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be able to effect, some change! Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: Wow! The cursing is back! We have an eighth grader, on this list. Please keep the profanety down. Thanks, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: Carly, it's shameful. I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. Hopefully, I'll hear something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home I agree, Carly! Let's just say it's bull crap! Josh, is that better for you? Oh wait... coming from "the child." Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be able to effect, some change! Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: Wow! The cursing is back! We have an eighth grader, on this list. Please keep the profanety down. Thanks, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: Carly, it's shameful. I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. Hopefully, I'll hear something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Hi everyone, Humberto from this list forwarded David's question about Enterprise Rental to the Blind Talk list. I'm on both lists, so I'm forwarding David his responses from that list. Here's some information about a DOJ decision regarding Dollar Rental Car. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala" Not in all parts! There are a lot of Southern people who talk like that. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Good morning, Joshua, bologna? really? Are we 5 year olds? I am not at all being defensive with this I assure you it's just that can't we call it out for what it is? Also, is compelling a kid to use words like "bologna" or "poopoo," really all that different other than being a weaker, more watered down synopsis of what he's really feeling? At 05:02 AM 9/11/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: I'm not immature. I just don't like having profanety on the lists, in case a child is on it. Sure they might be exposed to it, but we need to keep it to a minimum. I agreed with you, that the idea, to change our code, is bologna. You can say that, without using "BS." Crap, even may be better suited for the list, than the S word. I'm just saying this, for the protection of newcomers. Again, I wasn't offended directly. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be able to effect, some change! Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: Wow! The cursing is back! We have an eighth grader, on this list. Please keep the profanety down. Thanks, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: Carly, it's shameful. I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. Hopefully, I'll hear something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home References: <4e6cf366.51dee00a.5fa9.ffff8425@mx.google.com> Message-ID: LOL! Chris, I know you can handle it, but some of the newcomers, that may read this list, may not be comfortable. I guess, that's what the blind kid list is for. Anyway, to your point, some Southerners talk like that, but it's against the majority of our culture. Back to the BANA, what's the latest? Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I agree, Carly! Let's just say it's bull crap! Josh, is that > better for you? Oh wait... coming from "the child." > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > ,National Association of Blind Students > mailing list Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:55:37 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > Nemeth braillecode > > > > > Good morning, Joshua, > > bologna? really? Are we 5 year olds? > I am not at all being defensive with this I assure you it's just > that > can't we call it out for what it is? > Also, is compelling a kid to use words like "bologna" or > "poopoo," > really all that different other than being a weaker, more watered > down synopsis of what he's really feeling? > At 05:02 AM 9/11/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm not immature. > I just don't like having profanety on the lists, in case a child > is on it. > Sure they might be exposed to it, but we need to keep it to a > minimum. > I agreed with you, that the idea, to change our code, is bologna. > You can say that, without using "BS." > Crap, even may be better suited for the list, than the S word. > I'm just saying this, for the protection of newcomers. > Again, I wasn't offended directly. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: > > > Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? > Did > you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too > distracted > by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader > more > comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do > these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that > resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? > Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what > the > BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we > might be > able to effect, some change! > Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: > Wow! > The cursing is back! > We have an eighth grader, on this list. > Please keep the profanety down. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Joshua, > > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there > not > being significant capital, behind this braille unification > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig > mediocrity. I > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. > 06 > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > Carly, it's shameful. > I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. > Hopefully, I'll hear something. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Joshua, > > I'm with ya, brother! > > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I > know > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find > meaning > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any > less. > 2011, you wrote: > I'm all for a unified Braille code. > That code, is the Nemeth Code! > Leave it alone! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > wrote: > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille > code > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > b.. 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The President's Message states, "At some > point > in > the > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > about a unified > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > combine > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > constructions." > > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > the Braille > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA > "Education > and > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a > universal > code." > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, > 2011 > and > will > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of > maths > in > the > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior > to > the > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to > take > action > now. > > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the > Nemeth > code > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India > and > Indonesia > which have larger populations of braille users? > > Sincerely, > SusanJ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > author > ] > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > r > thlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > r > thlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > r > thlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > rthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Sep 11 18:08:33 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:08:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode In-Reply-To: <4e6cf08d.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. First, one doesn't just complain to the chair of the resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, resolutions won't be considered until next summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow the BANA deliberations on some of this and things just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like it or not, print has been and is changing very quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to keep up. Something has to happen to let us expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to seemlessly weave in the kinds of technical writing that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. Whether a separate code for mathematics needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is still an open question, as far as I know. Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees limitations in the current code and has created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant change from the current code. I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just keep our cool a little. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >know. > Chris Nusbaum >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" >Sent from my BrailleNote > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >Nemeth braillecode >Carly, it's shameful. >I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >Hopefully, I'll hear something. >Blessings, Joshua >On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > Hi, Joshua, > I'm with ya, brother! > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >know > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >meaning > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >less. > 2011, you wrote: >I'm all for a unified Braille code. >That code, is the Nemeth Code! >Leave it alone! >Blessings, Joshua >On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > wrote: > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >code > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >abolishing > the Nemeth > braillecode > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >author ] > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >--------------- > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >National > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > providing > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > transcribers here in > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >point in the > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > about a unified > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >combine > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > constructions." > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > the Braille > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >"Education and > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >universal > code." > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >2011 and > will > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >maths in the > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >to the > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >take > action > now. > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >Nemeth > code > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >and > Indonesia > which have larger populations of braille users? > Sincerely, > SusanJ > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >--------------- > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >author ] > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >0students.pccua.edu >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for > nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >rthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >0students.pccua.edu >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >m%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 18:14:48 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:14:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode In-Reply-To: References: <4e6cf08d.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Mr Jacobson: Please E-mail me off list. I'm interested in his new code. Thanks, Joshua On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: > Hi, > > Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. First, > one doesn't just complain to the chair of the > resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, > resolutions won't be considered until next > summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow > the BANA deliberations on some of this and things > just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like it > or not, print has been and is changing very > quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to keep > up. Something has to happen to let us > expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to seemlessly > weave in the kinds of technical writing > that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. > Whether a separate code for mathematics > needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is still > an open question, as far as I know. > Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees > limitations in the current code and has > created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant change > from the current code. > > I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that > isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary > for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just > keep our cool a little. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>know. > >> Chris Nusbaum > >>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >>Sent from my BrailleNote > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Joshua Lester >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>Nemeth braillecode > >>Carly, it's shameful. >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>Blessings, Joshua > >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > >> Hi, Joshua, > >> I'm with ya, brother! > >> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>know >> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>meaning >> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>less. >> 2011, you wrote: >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>Leave it alone! >>Blessings, Joshua > >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> wrote: >> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>code >> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > >> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>abolishing >> the Nemeth >> braillecode >> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>author ] > > >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>--------------- > >> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>National >> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> providing >> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> transcribers here in >> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>point in the >> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> about a unified >> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>combine >> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> constructions." > >> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> the Braille >> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>"Education and >> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>universal >> code." >> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>2011 and >> will >> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > >> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>maths in the >> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>to the >> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>take >> action >> now. > >> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>Nemeth >> code >> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>and >> Indonesia >> which have larger populations of braille users? > >> Sincerely, >> SusanJ > > > > >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>--------------- > > >> a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>author ] >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>info for >> nabs-l: > >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>0students.pccua.edu > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>rthlink.net > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>info for >> nabs-l: >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>0students.pccua.edu > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>m%40gmail.com > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 18:27:17 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:27:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9CAE84F918B2467A8BC6C20E0217BA30@OwnerPC> Hi all, I don't think we need swearing to express our opposition. Joshua, think about your resolution before proposing it and drafting it. If you want to proclaim you're against it, then what are you for and why? We need to understand Bana's decission and what would replace nemeth. I'm not really for the change, but I do not know if a resolution is the answer. As to not learning any new code/changes that Bana puts out, that is a bad decission. Times change, and whether we like it or not, we have to change and learn new written symbols. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:28 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >Carly, it's shameful. >I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >Hopefully, I'll hear something. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Joshua, > > > > I'm with ya, brother! > > > > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know > > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning > > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. > > 2011, you wrote: > >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. > >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! > >>Leave it alone! > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > >>wrote: > >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code > >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > >> > > >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing > >> the Nemeth > >> > braillecode > >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the > >> > National > >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > >> > providing > >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > >> transcribers here in > >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in > >> > the > >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > >> about a unified > >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > >> > combine > >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > >> > constructions." > >> > > >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > >> the Braille > >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and > >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal > >> > code." > >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 > >> > and > >> > will > >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > >> > > >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in > >> > the > >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to > >> > the > >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take > >> > action > >> > now. > >> > > >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth > >> > code > >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and > >> > Indonesia > >> > which have larger populations of braille users? > >> > > >> > Sincerely, > >> > SusanJ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > > >> > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > thlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 18:30:45 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:30:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910223711.01d79320@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net><7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910223711.01d79320@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7DC8D0604DE64797BB0A957EF3DAEF25@OwnerPC> Carley, With respect, we can discuss this civilly without profanity. Also, he is right. There are youth on this list. Would you want your child subscribed to a list where bad language is permitted? I would not. Youth do hear it at school and other places, but they do not need to hear it on nabs-l. This list is not a place to pick up bad language, and us older students should set an example. That said, I think their idea is a bad one. That said, I want to know the new system and what exactly they are proposing. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:48 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be able to effect, some change! Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: >Wow! >The cursing is back! >We have an eighth grader, on this list. >Please keep the profanety down. >Thanks, Joshua > >On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Joshua, > > > > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not > > being significant capital, behind this braille unification > > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and > > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I > > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 > > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>Carly, it's shameful. > >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. > >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi, Joshua, > >> > > >> > I'm with ya, brother! > >> > > >> > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > >> > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know > >> > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning > >> > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. > >> > 2011, you wrote: > >> >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. > >> >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! > >> >>Leave it alone! > >> >>Blessings, Joshua > >> >> > >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille > >> >> > code > >> >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > >> >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > >> >> > > >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing > >> >> the Nemeth > >> >> > braillecode > >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > >> >> > author ] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > > >> >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the > >> >> > National > >> >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > >> >> > providing > >> >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > >> >> transcribers here in > >> >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point > >> >> > in > >> >> > the > >> >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > >> >> about a unified > >> >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > >> >> > combine > >> >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > >> >> > constructions." > >> >> > > >> >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > >> >> the Braille > >> >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education > >> >> > and > >> >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a > >> >> > universal > >> >> > code." > >> >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 > >> >> > and > >> >> > will > >> >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > >> >> > > >> >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths > >> >> > in > >> >> > the > >> >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to > >> >> > the > >> >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to > >> >> > take > >> >> > action > >> >> > now. > >> >> > > >> >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the > >> >> > Nemeth > >> >> > code > >> >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and > >> >> > Indonesia > >> >> > which have larger populations of braille users? > >> >> > > >> >> > Sincerely, > >> >> > SusanJ > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > >> >> > author ] > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> >> > for > >> >> > nabs-l: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >>nabs-l mailing list > >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > >> thlink.net > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > thlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 18:47:44 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:47:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: <4e6cf08f.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa8@mx.google.com> References: <4e6cf08f.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who should not pick up bad language from this list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many kid's parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they were learning profanity from a list. Now to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press release? What do they wish to replace it with? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode Hi Joshua, I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! * Smiles! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: Carly, it's shameful. I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. Hopefully, I'll hear something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home References: <4e6cf08d.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3225E7BF04AF4B84B65C8655AC464088@OwnerPC> I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does it resemble the current math code? -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode Mr Jacobson: Please E-mail me off list. I'm interested in his new code. Thanks, Joshua On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: > Hi, > > Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. > First, > one doesn't just complain to the chair of the > resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, > resolutions won't be considered until next > summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow > the BANA deliberations on some of this and things > just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like > it > or not, print has been and is changing very > quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to > keep > up. Something has to happen to let us > expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to > seemlessly > weave in the kinds of technical writing > that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. > Whether a separate code for mathematics > needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is > still > an open question, as far as I know. > Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees > limitations in the current code and has > created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant > change > from the current code. > > I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that > isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary > for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just > keep our cool a little. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>know. > >> Chris Nusbaum > >>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >>Sent from my BrailleNote > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Joshua Lester >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>Nemeth braillecode > >>Carly, it's shameful. >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>Blessings, Joshua > >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > >> Hi, Joshua, > >> I'm with ya, brother! > >> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>know >> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>meaning >> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>less. >> 2011, you wrote: >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>Leave it alone! >>Blessings, Joshua > >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> wrote: >> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>code >> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > >> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>abolishing >> the Nemeth >> braillecode >> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>author ] > > >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>--------------- > >> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>National >> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> providing >> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> transcribers here in >> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>point in the >> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> about a unified >> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>combine >> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> constructions." > >> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> the Braille >> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>"Education and >> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>universal >> code." >> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>2011 and >> will >> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > >> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>maths in the >> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>to the >> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>take >> action >> now. > >> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>Nemeth >> code >> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>and >> Indonesia >> which have larger populations of braille users? > >> Sincerely, >> SusanJ > > > > >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>--------------- > > >> a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>author ] >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>info for >> nabs-l: > >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>0students.pccua.edu > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>rthlink.net > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>info for >> nabs-l: >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>0students.pccua.edu > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>m%40gmail.com > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 19:25:31 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:25:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: <3225E7BF04AF4B84B65C8655AC464088@OwnerPC> References: <4e6cf08d.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa7@mx.google.com> <3225E7BF04AF4B84B65C8655AC464088@OwnerPC> Message-ID: If there is a new code, the BANA should consult with Doctor Nemeth, first. He knows, what he's doing. This new code of his, may be the answer. I'd be for it, if he accepts it. It's got to be Nemeth approved, first, (IMO.) Chris, I hear profanety from my family, too. I expected to go to school, (when I was younger,) to get away from it, but I couldn't. I don't like it, and to quote my 10th grade English instructor, when someone uses that kind of language, it shows, that they have a limited vocabulary. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does it > resemble the current math code? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > Nemethbraillecode > > Mr Jacobson: > Please E-mail me off list. > I'm interested in his new code. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >> First, >> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, >> resolutions won't be considered until next >> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow >> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like >> it >> or not, print has been and is changing very >> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to >> keep >> up. Something has to happen to let us >> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >> seemlessly >> weave in the kinds of technical writing >> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. >> Whether a separate code for mathematics >> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >> still >> an open question, as far as I know. >> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees >> limitations in the current code and has >> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >> change >> from the current code. >> >> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that >> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just >> keep our cool a little. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>know. >> >>> Chris Nusbaum >> >>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >>>Sent from my BrailleNote >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Joshua Lester >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>Nemeth braillecode >> >>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>Blessings, Joshua >> >>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, Joshua, >> >>> I'm with ya, brother! >> >>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>know >>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>meaning >>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>less. >>> 2011, you wrote: >>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>Leave it alone! >>>Blessings, Joshua >> >>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>> wrote: >>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>code >>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>abolishing >>> the Nemeth >>> braillecode >>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>author ] >> >> >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------------- >> >>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>National >>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>> providing >>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>> transcribers here in >>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>point in the >>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>> about a unified >>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>combine >>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>> constructions." >> >>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>> the Braille >>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>"Education and >>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>universal >>> code." >>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>2011 and >>> will >>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>maths in the >>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>to the >>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>take >>> action >>> now. >> >>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>Nemeth >>> code >>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>and >>> Indonesia >>> which have larger populations of braille users? >> >>> Sincerely, >>> SusanJ >> >> >> >> >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------------- >> >> >>> a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>author ] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>info for >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>0students.pccua.edu >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>>rthlink.net >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>0students.pccua.edu >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>m%40gmail.com >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 19:26:22 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:26:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone’s safety/security on the anniversary. I’m a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. Ashley From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 19:33:48 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:33:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley: Great post! This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind students, are probably heading back to college, after being on vacation. This security issue is important. May God bless America. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But > somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. > We were attacked a decade ago. > I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was > closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and > other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. > I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our > country and everyone’s safety/security on the anniversary. > I’m a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If > you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat > from the tragedy. > > Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still > others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing > anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. > > Take care. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 19:34:21 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:34:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: References: <4e6cf08f.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Ashley and everyone, For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments, Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer, but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee. Chris On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who should > not pick up bad language from this > list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many kid's > parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they > were learning profanity from a list. > > Now to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press > release? What do they wish to replace it with? > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > Nemethbraillecode > > Hi Joshua, > > I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should > limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might > discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection > from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! > * Smiles! > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > Nemeth braillecode > > Wow! > The cursing is back! > We have an eighth grader, on this list. > Please keep the profanety down. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Joshua, > > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there > not > being significant capital, behind this braille unification > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig > mediocrity. I > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. > 06 > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > Carly, it's shameful. > I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. > Hopefully, I'll hear something. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Joshua, > > I'm with ya, brother! > > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I > know > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find > meaning > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any > less. > 2011, you wrote: > I'm all for a unified Braille code. > That code, is the Nemeth Code! > Leave it alone! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > wrote: > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille > code > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering > abolishing > the Nemeth > braillecode > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > author ] > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the > National > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > providing > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > transcribers here in > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some > point in > the > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > about a unified > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > combine > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > constructions." > > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > the Braille > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA > "Education and > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a > universal > code." > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, > 2011 > and > will > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of > maths in > the > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior > to > the > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to > take > action > now. > > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the > Nemeth > code > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India > and > Indonesia > which have larger populations of braille users? > > Sincerely, > SusanJ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > author ] > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > r > thlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > rthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 19:39:31 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:39:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: <7DC8D0604DE64797BB0A957EF3DAEF25@OwnerPC> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910223711.01d79320@earthlink.net> <7DC8D0604DE64797BB0A957EF3DAEF25@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, They're probably going to hear it when they're older. I'm not defending Carly in her use of profanity, although I agree with the premice of her email. In fact, I would say that we should be carefull about use of profanity because it's an archived list. All I'm saying is that Josh doesn't have to worry about me being exposed to it, as I already have. Chris On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Carley, > With respect, we can discuss this civilly without profanity. Also, he is > right. There are youth on this list. Would you want your child subscribed to > a list where bad language is permitted? I would not. Youth do hear it at > school and other places, but they do not need to hear it on nabs-l. > This list is not a place to pick up bad language, and us older students > should set an example. > > That said, I think their idea is a bad one. That said, I want to know the > new system and what exactly they are proposing. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carly > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:48 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille > code > > > > Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did > you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted > by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more > comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do > these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that > resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? > Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the > BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be > able to effect, some change! > Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: >>Wow! >>The cursing is back! >>We have an eighth grader, on this list. >>Please keep the profanety down. >>Thanks, Joshua >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hi, Joshua, >> > >> > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not >> > being significant capital, behind this braille unification >> > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >> > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I >> > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 >> > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>Carly, it's shameful. >> >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >> >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi, Joshua, >> >> > >> >> > I'm with ya, brother! >> >> > >> >> > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> >> > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know >> >> > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning >> >> > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. >> >> > 2011, you wrote: >> >> >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >> >> >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >> >> >>Leave it alone! >> >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >> >> >> > code >> >> >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> >> >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing >> >> >> the Nemeth >> >> >> > braillecode >> >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >> >> >> > author ] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >> >> >> > National >> >> >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> >> >> > providing >> >> >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> >> >> transcribers here in >> >> >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point >> >> >> > in >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> >> >> about a unified >> >> >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >> >> >> > combine >> >> >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> >> >> > constructions." >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> >> >> the Braille >> >> >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >> >> >> > universal >> >> >> > code." >> >> >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > will >> >> >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths >> >> >> > in >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >> >> >> > take >> >> >> > action >> >> >> > now. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >> >> >> > Nemeth >> >> >> > code >> >> >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and >> >> >> > Indonesia >> >> >> > which have larger populations of braille users? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> >> > SusanJ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing >> >> >> the Nemeth >> >> >> > braillecode >> >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >> >> >> > author ] >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear >> >> thlink.net >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear >> thlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 19:39:29 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:39:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: References: <4e6cf08f.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris: Do you know anything about Doctor Nemeth's new code? I'm interested in it. Thanks, Joshua On 9/11/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ashley and everyone, > > For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the > BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject > Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I > are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something > from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave > that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas > he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all > members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do > you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are > the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments, > Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to > talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be > written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer, > but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a > resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee. > > Chris > > On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who >> should >> not pick up bad language from this >> list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many >> kid's >> parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they >> were learning profanity from a list. >> >> Now to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press >> release? What do they wish to replace it with? >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemethbraillecode >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should >> limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might >> discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection >> from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! >> * Smiles! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemeth braillecode >> >> Wow! >> The cursing is back! >> We have an eighth grader, on this list. >> Please keep the profanety down. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Joshua, >> >> That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there >> not >> being significant capital, behind this braille unification >> bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >> outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig >> mediocrity. I >> guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. >> 06 >> PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Carly, it's shameful. >> I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >> Hopefully, I'll hear something. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Joshua, >> >> I'm with ya, brother! >> >> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >> know >> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >> meaning >> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >> less. >> 2011, you wrote: >> I'm all for a unified Braille code. >> That code, is the Nemeth Code! >> Leave it alone! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> > wrote: >> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >> code >> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >> abolishing >> the Nemeth >> braillecode >> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >> author ] >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------------- >> >> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >> National >> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> providing >> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> transcribers here in >> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >> point in >> the >> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> about a unified >> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >> combine >> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> constructions." >> >> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> the Braille >> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >> "Education and >> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >> universal >> code." >> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >> 2011 >> and >> will >> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >> maths in >> the >> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >> to >> the >> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >> take >> action >> now. >> >> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >> Nemeth >> code >> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >> and >> Indonesia >> which have larger populations of braille users? >> >> Sincerely, >> SusanJ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------------- >> >> >> a.. 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The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 19:44:14 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:44:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Amen!! God bless America, and God bless our servicemen and women! Chris On 9/11/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Ashley: > Great post! > This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind > students, are probably heading back to college, after being on > vacation. > This security issue is important. > May God bless America. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But >> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >> We were attacked a decade ago. >> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was >> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and >> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for >> our >> country and everyone’s safety/security on the anniversary. >> I’m a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If >> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat >> from the tragedy. >> >> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and >> still >> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing >> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >> >> Take care. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 19:52:08 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:52:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: References: <4e6cf08f.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, I don't know much about it, other than it's a unified Nemeth. You can probably hear more about it in that Straight Talk about Vision Loss episode I told you about. Chris On 9/11/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Chris: > Do you know anything about Doctor Nemeth's new code? > I'm interested in it. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Ashley and everyone, >> >> For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the >> BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject >> Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I >> are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something >> from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave >> that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas >> he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all >> members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do >> you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are >> the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments, >> Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to >> talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be >> written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer, >> but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a >> resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee. >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who >>> should >>> not pick up bad language from this >>> list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many >>> kid's >>> parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they >>> were learning profanity from a list. >>> >>> Now to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press >>> release? What do they wish to replace it with? >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>> Nemethbraillecode >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should >>> limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might >>> discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection >>> from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! >>> * Smiles! >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>> Nemeth braillecode >>> >>> Wow! >>> The cursing is back! >>> We have an eighth grader, on this list. >>> Please keep the profanety down. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi, Joshua, >>> >>> That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there >>> not >>> being significant capital, behind this braille unification >>> bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >>> outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig >>> mediocrity. I >>> guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. >>> 06 >>> PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Carly, it's shameful. >>> I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>> Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi, Joshua, >>> >>> I'm with ya, brother! >>> >>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>> know >>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>> meaning >>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>> less. >>> 2011, you wrote: >>> I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>> That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>> Leave it alone! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>> >> wrote: >>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>> code >>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>> >>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>> abolishing >>> the Nemeth >>> braillecode >>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>> author ] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------------- >>> >>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>> National >>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>> providing >>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>> transcribers here in >>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>> point in >>> the >>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>> about a unified >>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>> combine >>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>> constructions." >>> >>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>> the Braille >>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>> "Education and >>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>> universal >>> code." >>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>> 2011 >>> and >>> will >>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>> >>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>> maths in >>> the >>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>> to >>> the >>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>> take >>> action >>> now. >>> >>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>> Nemeth >>> code >>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>> and >>> Indonesia >>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> SusanJ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------------- >>> >>> >>> a.. 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The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 19:54:50 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <8835323A000A4AC9BE7F80F318376CE7@OwnerPC> Thanks Josh, I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be active. Vote for whom you believe will make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and security is an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a student this semester, but will go back for continuing education next semester at nova, community college. I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police office if you haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount university, just had security officers. Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with friends back to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such a service. At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter the dorm; this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially at night. If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to a friend's home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go somewhere safe. Safety is a big priority. Okay, that's my tips for now. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Ashley: Great post! This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind students, are probably heading back to college, after being on vacation. This security issue is important. May God bless America. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But > somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. > We were attacked a decade ago. > I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was > closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and > other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. > I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for > our > country and everyone’s safety/security on the anniversary. > I’m a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If > you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat > from the tragedy. > > Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and > still > others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing > anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. > > Take care. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 20:05:00 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:05:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <8835323A000A4AC9BE7F80F318376CE7@OwnerPC> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <8835323A000A4AC9BE7F80F318376CE7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Good advice, Ashley! You seem like a person who would help people stay calm during an emergency, which is a great characteristic. You've given us good advice to us both when Irene hit and now. Chris On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Thanks Josh, > I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be active. > Vote for whom you believe will > make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and security is > an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a student > this semester, but will go back for continuing education next semester at > nova, community college. > > I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police office if you > haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and > meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount university, just > had security officers. > Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with friends back > to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such a service. > At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter the dorm; > this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially at night. > If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to a friend's > home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go somewhere safe. > Safety is a big priority. > > Okay, that's my tips for now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Ashley: > Great post! > This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind > students, are probably heading back to college, after being on > vacation. > This security issue is important. > May God bless America. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But >> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >> We were attacked a decade ago. >> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was >> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and >> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for >> our >> country and everyone’s safety/security on the anniversary. >> I’m a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If >> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat >> from the tragedy. >> >> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and >> still >> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing >> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >> >> Take care. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 20:06:35 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:06:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Free Scanning Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Danielle, I don't think there is one, at least one that I know of. Chris On 9/10/11, Danielle Antoine wrote: > Hi all, > Does anyone know of some scanning software that I may download or get > for free? I know Open Book has a demo and I had it and the 30 days > timed out and I can't download a copy again. You know something like > NVDA? I had Open Book 7 but since I have a Windows 7 system it is not > compatible.Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 20:19:15 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:19:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <8835323A000A4AC9BE7F80F318376CE7@OwnerPC> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <8835323A000A4AC9BE7F80F318376CE7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I'm glad, I won't be flying, to convention, next year. I hate airports, (LOL!) You're right, though. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Thanks Josh, > I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be active. > Vote for whom you believe will > make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and security is > an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a student > this semester, but will go back for continuing education next semester at > nova, community college. > > I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police office if you > haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and > meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount university, just > had security officers. > Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with friends back > to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such a service. > At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter the dorm; > this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially at night. > If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to a friend's > home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go somewhere safe. > Safety is a big priority. > > Okay, that's my tips for now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Ashley: > Great post! > This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind > students, are probably heading back to college, after being on > vacation. > This security issue is important. > May God bless America. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But >> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >> We were attacked a decade ago. >> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was >> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and >> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for >> our >> country and everyone’s safety/security on the anniversary. >> I’m a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If >> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat >> from the tragedy. >> >> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and >> still >> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing >> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >> >> Take care. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 20:48:52 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:48:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: The National Association of Blind Students Presents: The ABC's of nabs Reps. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Fellow Students: We, the NABS Membership Committee, would like to take this time to introduce to you the topic for September’s Membership call: The ABC’s of NABS Reps! “What exactly is a NABS rep and what do they do?” “Why request to have a NABS rep at my student division meeting at state convention or another such student event?” “Okay, so I have decided that I want a rep to come, how do I go about requesting one?” If you have asked yourself any or all of the above questions or others like it from time to time, than this call is for you! Many states are having their conventions around this time, and so timing could not be any better! (We think so, anyway!). What: The ABC’s of NABS Reps When: Sunday, September 11, 7:00 PM Eastern. Where: The NABS conference line: (712) 775-7100, access code 257963. Please consider joining what we hope to be a very informative call. Respectfully, The NABS Membership Committee -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Sep 11 21:19:47 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:19:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910223711.01d79320@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911064909.01d35c60@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911141833.01d52c30@earthlink.net> Hi, Joshua, Alright, then. You ought, to honor the Bible. for today, Car09:54 AM 9/11/2011, you wrote: >Call it whatever, but remember, in the South, that kind of language is >looked down upon. >I'm a Southerner. >Also, as a Christian, I'm told in my Bible, not to let corrupt >communication proceed out of my mouth. >If Jesus wouldn't talk like that, I won't. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: > > > > > > > > Good morning, Joshua, > > > > bologna? really? Are we 5 year olds? > > I am not at all being defensive with this I assure you it's just that > > can't we call it out for what it is? > > Also, is compelling a kid to use words like "bologna" or "poopoo," > > really all that different other than being a weaker, more watered > > down synopsis of what he's really feeling? > > At 05:02 AM 9/11/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>I'm not immature. > >>I just don't like having profanety on the lists, in case a child is on it. > >>Sure they might be exposed to it, but we need to keep it to a minimum. > >>I agreed with you, that the idea, to change our code, is bologna. > >>You can say that, without using "BS." > >>Crap, even may be better suited for the list, than the S word. > >>I'm just saying this, for the protection of newcomers. > >>Again, I wasn't offended directly. > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did > >> > you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted > >> > by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more > >> > comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do > >> > these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that > >> > resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? > >> > Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the > >> > BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be > >> > able to effect, some change! > >> > Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: > >> >>Wow! > >> >>The cursing is back! > >> >>We have an eighth grader, on this list. > >> >>Please keep the profanety down. > >> >>Thanks, Joshua > >> >> > >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Hi, Joshua, > >> >> > > >> >> > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not > >> >> > being significant capital, behind this braille unification > >> >> > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and > >> >> > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I > >> >> > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 > >> >> > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> >> >>Carly, it's shameful. > >> >> >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. > >> >> >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. > >> >> >>Blessings, Joshua > >> >> >> > >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Hi, Joshua, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I'm with ya, brother! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > >> >> >> > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I > >> >> >> > know > >> >> >> > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find > >> >> >> > meaning > >> >> >> > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. > >> >> >> > 2011, you wrote: > >> >> >> >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. > >> >> >> >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! > >> >> >> >>Leave it alone! > >> >> >> >>Blessings, Joshua > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth > >> >> >> >> > braille > >> >> >> >> > code > >> >> >> >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > >> >> >> >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > >> >> >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering > >> >> >> >> > abolishing > >> >> >> >> the Nemeth > >> >> >> >> > braillecode > >> >> >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > >> >> >> >> > author > >> >> >> >> > ] > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the > >> >> >> >> > National > >> >> >> >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional > >> >> >> >> > organization > >> >> >> >> > providing > >> >> >> >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > >> >> >> >> transcribers here in > >> >> >> >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some > >> >> >> >> > point > >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > >> >> >> >> about a unified > >> >> >> >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > >> >> >> >> > combine > >> >> >> >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > constructions." > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive > >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> the Braille > >> >> >> >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA > >> >> >> >> > "Education > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a > >> >> >> >> > universal > >> >> >> >> > code." > >> >> >> >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, > >> >> >> >> > 2011 > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > will > >> >> >> >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of > >> >> >> >> > maths > >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior > >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to > >> >> >> >> > take > >> >> >> >> > action > >> >> >> >> > now. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the > >> >> >> >> > Nemeth > >> >> >> >> > code > >> >> >> >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > Indonesia > >> >> >> >> > which have larger populations of braille users? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Sincerely, > >> >> >> >> > SusanJ > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > a.. 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I forwarded some of the messages that appeared here, and she asked if I would post the following for her. Jennifer Dunnam Wrote: "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared with me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and the Nemeth Code. In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I would strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is being distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be followed shortly by the third). The article is intended to lay out the issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is considering. Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be making snap decisions. We have asked for and will continue to seek input from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well. On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does it >resemble the current math code? >-----Original Message----- >From: Joshua Lester >Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >Nemethbraillecode >Mr Jacobson: >Please E-mail me off list. >I'm interested in his new code. >Thanks, Joshua >On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >> First, >> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, >> resolutions won't be considered until next >> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow >> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like >> it >> or not, print has been and is changing very >> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to >> keep >> up. Something has to happen to let us >> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >> seemlessly >> weave in the kinds of technical writing >> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. >> Whether a separate code for mathematics >> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >> still >> an open question, as far as I know. >> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees >> limitations in the current code and has >> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >> change >> from the current code. >> >> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that >> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just >> keep our cool a little. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>know. >> >>> Chris Nusbaum >> >>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >>>Sent from my BrailleNote >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Joshua Lester >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>Nemeth braillecode >> >>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>Blessings, Joshua >> >>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, Joshua, >> >>> I'm with ya, brother! >> >>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>know >>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>meaning >>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>less. >>> 2011, you wrote: >>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>Leave it alone! >>>Blessings, Joshua >> >>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>> wrote: >>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>code >>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>abolishing >>> the Nemeth >>> braillecode >>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>author ] >> >> >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------------- >> >>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>National >>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>> providing >>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>> transcribers here in >>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>point in the >>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>> about a unified >>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>combine >>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>> constructions." >> >>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>> the Braille >>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>"Education and >>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>universal >>> code." >>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>2011 and >>> will >>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>maths in the >>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>to the >>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>take >>> action >>> now. >> >>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>Nemeth >>> code >>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>and >>> Indonesia >>> which have larger populations of braille users? >> >>> Sincerely, >>> SusanJ >> >> >> >> >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------------- >> >> >>> a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>author ] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>info for >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>0students.pccua.edu >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>>rthlink.net >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>0students.pccua.edu >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>m%40gmail.com >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Sep 11 20:57:58 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:57:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris, I know Sharon, and I am certain she would be of help. What I was trying to explain is that it isn't the resolution's committees jobs in general to write resolutions, but rather to work with resolutions that have already been written. People who feel strongly about an issue need to find others and work together to write a resolution. My point in mentioning next summer is this. The reason this has come up now is because a message was posted on one of our lists. BANA and other braille bodies throughout the world have been wrestling with this problem for a decade or two now. It could be that some things might well change by next convention so writing a resolution now for next summer just doesn't make much sense. Writing a resolution next spring with facts and concerns that are current as of that time makes more sense. The discussion here is occurring as if something is going to happen within days, and that's not the case. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:34:21 -0400, chris nusbaum wrote: >Hi Ashley and everyone, >For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the >BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject >Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I >are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something >from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave >that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas >he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all >members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do >you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are >the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments, >Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to >talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be >written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer, >but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a >resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee. >Chris >On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who should >> not pick up bad language from this >> list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many kid's >> parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they >> were learning profanity from a list. >> >> Now to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press >> release? What do they wish to replace it with? >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemethbraillecode >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should >> limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might >> discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection >> from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! >> * Smiles! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemeth braillecode >> >> Wow! >> The cursing is back! >> We have an eighth grader, on this list. >> Please keep the profanety down. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Joshua, >> >> That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there >> not >> being significant capital, behind this braille unification >> bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >> outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig >> mediocrity. I >> guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. >> 06 >> PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Carly, it's shameful. >> I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >> Hopefully, I'll hear something. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Joshua, >> >> I'm with ya, brother! >> >> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >> know >> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >> meaning >> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >> less. >> 2011, you wrote: >> I'm all for a unified Braille code. >> That code, is the Nemeth Code! >> Leave it alone! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> > wrote: >> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >> code >> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >> abolishing >> the Nemeth >> braillecode >> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >> author ] >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------------- >> >> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >> National >> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> providing >> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> transcribers here in >> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >> point in >> the >> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> about a unified >> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >> combine >> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> constructions." >> >> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> the Braille >> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >> "Education and >> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >> universal >> code." >> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >> 2011 >> and >> will >> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >> maths in >> the >> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >> to >> the >> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >> take >> action >> now. >> >> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >> Nemeth >> code >> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >> and >> Indonesia >> which have larger populations of braille users? >> >> Sincerely, >> SusanJ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------------- >> >> >> a.. 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The real >problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 21:55:14 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:55:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <958FA6B76EFA4FB0B426671F6B657B29@HumbertoAvila> Ashley, I currently volunteer playing the piano at my local church choir, and today the priest gave a special sermon in which he also reflected about 9-11. I feel like volunteering in my church choir playing piano, in some way, is helping my country. Yes, hopefully the United states grows much stronger and that the terrorism is monitored before it happens, given the future of our current technology. Best Regards, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone's safety/security on the anniversary. I'm a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sun Sep 11 22:50:18 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:50:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Enterprise Car rental In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You have to be 25 years of age to rent a car period. This may be a state-by-state thing, but most states I know have this rule. You have to have a licensed driver listed on the paperwork, and the driver must be present when picking the rental up, obviously, but it shouldn't be necessary to have them present, or involved, when filling out the paperwork. Who pays for the rental is up to you, and the company can't deny you rental service if the one footing the bill is different from the one driving the rental. Our chapter has rented vehicles through the years, and one of our members, usually treasurer, has always delt with the rental including filling the paperwork out as well as paying for the rental. Our designated driver will pick the rental up with the chapter member assigned to handle the transaction. It's never been a problem, and the only government paperwork we bring is our 501 C3 tax exemption for nonprofit organizations so we are not charged tax. No special paperwork is necessary to rent the vehicle itself. As long as a licensed driver is listed on the paperwork, insurance doesn't care who pays for it. Plenty of people rent vehicles, but they're not the one actually driving it. This employee didn't know what she was talking about, but you can definitely rent a car and pay for it even if the person driving isn't you. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 23:09:07 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:09:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve, I understand that. Maybe Sharon would be helpfull in writing the resolution, which is why I gave her email to Joshua. Joshua, because the convention isn't until next summer, if you feel strongly enough to do this, I would either email Dr. Maurer at officeofthepresident at nfb.org or write a Braille letter and send it to the national center, attention Marc Maurer. Or you can skip the NFB altogether, and see if you can find a way to send your feedback directly to BANA. Just my thoughts! Chris On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: > Chris, > > I know Sharon, and I am certain she would be of help. What I was trying to > explain is that it isn't the resolution's > committees jobs in general to write resolutions, but rather to work with > resolutions that have already been written. > People who feel strongly about an issue need to find others and work > together to write a resolution. My point in > mentioning next summer is this. The reason this has come up now is because > a message was posted on one of our > lists. BANA and other braille bodies throughout the world have been > wrestling with this problem for a decade or two > now. It could be that some things might well change by next convention so > writing a resolution now for next summer > just doesn't make much sense. Writing a resolution next spring with facts > and concerns that are current as of that time > makes more sense. The discussion here is occurring as if something is going > to happen within days, and that's not the > case. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:34:21 -0400, chris nusbaum wrote: > >>Hi Ashley and everyone, > >>For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the >>BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject >>Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I >>are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something >>from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave >>that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas >>he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all >>members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do >>you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are >>the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments, >>Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to >>talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be >>written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer, >>but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a >>resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee. > >>Chris > >>On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who >>> should >>> not pick up bad language from this >>> list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many >>> kid's >>> parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they >>> were learning profanity from a list. >>> >>> Now to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press >>> release? What do they wish to replace it with? >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>> Nemethbraillecode >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should >>> limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might >>> discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection >>> from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! >>> * Smiles! >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>> Nemeth braillecode >>> >>> Wow! >>> The cursing is back! >>> We have an eighth grader, on this list. >>> Please keep the profanety down. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi, Joshua, >>> >>> That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there >>> not >>> being significant capital, behind this braille unification >>> bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >>> outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig >>> mediocrity. I >>> guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. >>> 06 >>> PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Carly, it's shameful. >>> I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>> Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi, Joshua, >>> >>> I'm with ya, brother! >>> >>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>> know >>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>> meaning >>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>> less. >>> 2011, you wrote: >>> I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>> That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>> Leave it alone! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>> >> wrote: >>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>> code >>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>> >>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>> abolishing >>> the Nemeth >>> braillecode >>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>> author ] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------------- >>> >>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>> National >>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>> providing >>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>> transcribers here in >>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>> point in >>> the >>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>> about a unified >>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>> combine >>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>> constructions." >>> >>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>> the Braille >>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>> "Education and >>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>> universal >>> code." >>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>> 2011 >>> and >>> will >>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>> >>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>> maths in >>> the >>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>> to >>> the >>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>> take >>> action >>> now. >>> >>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>> Nemeth >>> code >>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>> and >>> Indonesia >>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> SusanJ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------------- >>> >>> >>> a.. 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The real >>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >>be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 23:16:14 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:16:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know, what I'd like to see. If the code is changed, they should let Doctor Nemeth look at it, so the BANA can get his approval, because he gave us the first Math code. I'd appreciate it, if the BANA would do that. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I understand that. Maybe Sharon would be helpfull in writing the > resolution, which is why I gave her email to Joshua. Joshua, because > the convention isn't until next summer, if you feel strongly enough to > do this, I would either email Dr. Maurer at > officeofthepresident at nfb.org or write a Braille letter and send it to > the national center, attention Marc Maurer. Or you can skip the NFB > altogether, and see if you can find a way to send your feedback > directly to BANA. Just my thoughts! > > Chris > > On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >> Chris, >> >> I know Sharon, and I am certain she would be of help. What I was trying >> to >> explain is that it isn't the resolution's >> committees jobs in general to write resolutions, but rather to work with >> resolutions that have already been written. >> People who feel strongly about an issue need to find others and work >> together to write a resolution. My point in >> mentioning next summer is this. The reason this has come up now is >> because >> a message was posted on one of our >> lists. BANA and other braille bodies throughout the world have been >> wrestling with this problem for a decade or two >> now. It could be that some things might well change by next convention so >> writing a resolution now for next summer >> just doesn't make much sense. Writing a resolution next spring with facts >> and concerns that are current as of that time >> makes more sense. The discussion here is occurring as if something is >> going >> to happen within days, and that's not the >> case. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:34:21 -0400, chris nusbaum wrote: >> >>>Hi Ashley and everyone, >> >>>For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the >>>BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject >>>Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I >>>are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something >>>from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave >>>that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas >>>he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all >>>members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do >>>you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are >>>the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments, >>>Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to >>>talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be >>>written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer, >>>but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a >>>resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee. >> >>>Chris >> >>>On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who >>>> should >>>> not pick up bad language from this >>>> list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many >>>> kid's >>>> parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they >>>> were learning profanity from a list. >>>> >>>> Now to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press >>>> release? What do they wish to replace it with? >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>> Nemethbraillecode >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should >>>> limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might >>>> discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection >>>> from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! >>>> * Smiles! >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>> Nemeth braillecode >>>> >>>> Wow! >>>> The cursing is back! >>>> We have an eighth grader, on this list. >>>> Please keep the profanety down. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, Joshua, >>>> >>>> That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there >>>> not >>>> being significant capital, behind this braille unification >>>> bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >>>> outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig >>>> mediocrity. I >>>> guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. >>>> 06 >>>> PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Carly, it's shameful. >>>> I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>> Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, Joshua, >>>> >>>> I'm with ya, brother! >>>> >>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>> know >>>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>> meaning >>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>> less. >>>> 2011, you wrote: >>>> I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>> That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>> Leave it alone! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>> code >>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>> >>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>> abolishing >>>> the Nemeth >>>> braillecode >>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>> author ] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --------------- >>>> >>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>> National >>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>> providing >>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>>> transcribers here in >>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>> point in >>>> the >>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>>> about a unified >>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>> combine >>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>> constructions." >>>> >>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>>> the Braille >>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>> "Education and >>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>> universal >>>> code." >>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>> 2011 >>>> and >>>> will >>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>> >>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>> maths in >>>> the >>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>> to >>>> the >>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>> take >>>> action >>>> now. >>>> >>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>> Nemeth >>>> code >>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>> and >>>> Indonesia >>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> SusanJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> a.. 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The real >>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >>>be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >>>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sun Sep 11 23:19:30 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:19:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Free scanning software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: With my Microsoft Office 2003, a scanning program called Microsoft Office Document Scanning is a feature. I've used it before, though not often, to scan documents as an image, similar to a PDF, but the program also read the documents similar to Kurzweil. It's accessible and technically free if you already have MS Office. I'm not aware if this program is available on newer versions of Microsoft Office, but with my dinosaur 2003 version, it's located in the Microsoft Office folder on my start menu in a sub-folder called Microsoft Tools. Hope this helps. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 26 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:06:35 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Scanning Software Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Danielle, I don't think there is one, at least one that I know of. Chris From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Sep 11 23:29:41 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:29:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Change the Subject Line, Please Re: BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode References: <4e6cf08f.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9091C70297464D90A9A08F48992E26F6@stanford.edu> I don't mind that this conversation is going on, but it is not what the subject line says. If you change the topic inside the message, please change the subject line. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode > Hi Joshua, > > I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should limit the > profanity because it's an archived list and that might discourage people > from joining the list, I don't need protection from profanity anymore... > Lord knows I hear it from my parents! * Smiles! > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth > braillecode > > Wow! > The cursing is back! > We have an eighth grader, on this list. > Please keep the profanety down. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Joshua, > > That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not > being significant capital, behind this braille unification > bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and > outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I > guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 > PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > Carly, it's shameful. > I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. > Hopefully, I'll hear something. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Joshua, > > I'm with ya, brother! > > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. > 2011, you wrote: > I'm all for a unified Braille code. > That code, is the Nemeth Code! > Leave it alone! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing > the Nemeth > braillecode > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the > National > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > providing > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > transcribers here in > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in > the > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > about a unified > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > combine > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > constructions." > > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > the Braille > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal > code." > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 > and > will > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in > the > current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to > the > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take > action > now. > > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth > code > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and > Indonesia > which have larger populations of braille users? > > Sincerely, > SusanJ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > r > thlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > rthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Sep 11 23:37:59 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:37:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode References: Message-ID: NUBS info coming soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode > The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam. I forwarded some of > the messages that appeared here, and > she asked if I would post the following for her. > > Jennifer Dunnam Wrote: > "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared > with > me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and the > Nemeth Code. In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I > would > strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is being > distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille > Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be > followed shortly by the third). The article is intended to lay out the > issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is > considering. > Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be > making snap decisions. We have asked for and will continue to seek input > from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well. > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does >>it >>resemble the current math code? > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Joshua Lester >>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>Nemethbraillecode > >>Mr Jacobson: >>Please E-mail me off list. >>I'm interested in his new code. >>Thanks, Joshua > >>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >>> First, >>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, >>> resolutions won't be considered until next >>> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to >>> follow >>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like >>> it >>> or not, print has been and is changing very >>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to >>> keep >>> up. Something has to happen to let us >>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >>> seemlessly >>> weave in the kinds of technical writing >>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long >>> ago. >>> Whether a separate code for mathematics >>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >>> still >>> an open question, as far as I know. >>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even >>> sees >>> limitations in the current code and has >>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >>> change >>> from the current code. >>> >>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that >>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's >>> just >>> keep our cool a little. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> >>>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>>know. >>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>Nemeth braillecode >>> >>>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, Joshua, >>> >>>> I'm with ya, brother! >>> >>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>>know >>>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>>meaning >>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>>less. >>>> 2011, you wrote: >>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>>Leave it alone! >>>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>> wrote: >>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>>code >>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>> >>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>abolishing >>>> the Nemeth >>>> braillecode >>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>author ] >>> >>> >>>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>--------------- >>> >>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>>National >>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>> providing >>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>>> transcribers here in >>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>>point in the >>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>>> about a unified >>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>>combine >>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>> constructions." >>> >>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>>> the Braille >>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>>"Education and >>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>>universal >>>> code." >>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>>2011 and >>>> will >>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>> >>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>>maths in the >>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>>to the >>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>>take >>>> action >>>> now. >>> >>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>>Nemeth >>>> code >>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>>and >>>> Indonesia >>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> SusanJ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>--------------- >>> >>> >>>> a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>author ] >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>info for >>>> nabs-l: >>> >>>> >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>>>rthlink.net >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>for nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>m%40gmail.com >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Sep 11 23:41:59 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:41:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode References: Message-ID: Please note that this is from over two years ago, so some things may have changed.PRESS RELEASE March, 2009 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Judith Dixon, Chairperson Braille Authority of North America PHONE: 1-202-707-0722 E-MAIL: jdix at loc.gov Braille Authority of North America To Evaluate Nemeth Uniform Braille System The Braille Authority of North America announced today that it is making plans for the evaluation of the recently completed Nemeth Uniform Braille System (NUBS). According to its developer, Dr. Abraham Nemeth, NUBS is an updated version of the Nemeth code, which has been in use since 1972. The new system has been in development for ten years and is capable of rendering both literary and technical texts. "BANA deliberates very carefully before making even small changes to braille," said Judith Dixon, BANA chairperson. "We want to ensure that braille readers have access to the same information as do their print-reading counterparts in this age in which the norms for printed material are evolving rapidly. However, it is essential that we understand the impact of any changes on readability, writeability, space considerations, familiarity to current braille readers, etc. The benefits of making any change must be shown to outweigh the drawbacks." The timeline and other details of the evaluation process are still being determined. The evaluation will involve the input of all stakeholders, and information on how those interested can provide input will be made available soon. To view the completed code, or to read documents explaining the code, visit http://www.braille2000.com/brl2000/nubs.htm The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America are to assure literacy for tactile readers through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes and facilitates the use, teaching and production of braille. It publishes rules, interprets and renders opinions pertaining to braille in all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence or to be developed in the future, in collaboration with other countries using English braille. In exercising its function and authority, BANA considers the effects of its decisions on other existing braille codes and formats; the ease of production by various methods; and acceptability to readers. For additional resource information, visit www.brailleauthority.org. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode > NUBS info coming soon. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jacobson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > Nemethbraillecode > > >> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam. I forwarded some of >> the messages that appeared here, and >> she asked if I would post the following for her. >> >> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote: >> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared >> with >> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and >> the >> Nemeth Code. In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I >> would >> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is >> being >> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille >> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be >> followed shortly by the third). The article is intended to lay out the >> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is >> considering. >> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be >> making snap decisions. We have asked for and will continue to seek input >> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well. >> >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does >>>it >>>resemble the current math code? >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Joshua Lester >>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>Nemethbraillecode >> >>>Mr Jacobson: >>>Please E-mail me off list. >>>I'm interested in his new code. >>>Thanks, Joshua >> >>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >>>> First, >>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, >>>> resolutions won't be considered until next >>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to >>>> follow >>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we >>>> like >>>> it >>>> or not, print has been and is changing very >>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to >>>> keep >>>> up. Something has to happen to let us >>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >>>> seemlessly >>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing >>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long >>>> ago. >>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics >>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >>>> still >>>> an open question, as far as I know. >>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even >>>> sees >>>> limitations in the current code and has >>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >>>> change >>>> from the current code. >>>> >>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that >>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's >>>> just >>>> keep our cool a little. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Jacobson >>>> >>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> >>>>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>>>know. >>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>>Nemeth braillecode >>>> >>>>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, Joshua, >>>> >>>>> I'm with ya, brother! >>>> >>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>>>know >>>>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>>>meaning >>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>>>less. >>>>> 2011, you wrote: >>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>>>Leave it alone! >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>> wrote: >>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>>>code >>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>> >>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>abolishing >>>>> the Nemeth >>>>> braillecode >>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>author ] >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>--------------- >>>> >>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>>>National >>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>>> providing >>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>>>> transcribers here in >>>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>>>point in the >>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>>>> about a unified >>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>>>combine >>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>>> constructions." >>>> >>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>>>> the Braille >>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>>>"Education and >>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>>>universal >>>>> code." >>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>>>2011 and >>>>> will >>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>> >>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>>>maths in the >>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>>>to the >>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>>>take >>>>> action >>>>> now. >>>> >>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>>>Nemeth >>>>> code >>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>>>and >>>>> Indonesia >>>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> SusanJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>--------------- >>>> >>>> >>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>abolishing >>>>> the Nemeth >>>>> braillecode >>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>author ] >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>>>>rthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>for nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>>m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 23:44:01 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:44:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode Message-ID: <4e6d47d3.62b0340a.674a.43c7@mx.google.com> Hey wait, isn't NUBS the new code? I know it means something... forget what though lol. sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: Hi, Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. First, one doesn't just complain to the chair of the resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, resolutions won't be considered until next summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow the BANA deliberations on some of this and things just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like it or not, print has been and is changing very quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to keep up. Something has to happen to let us expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to seemlessly weave in the kinds of technical writing that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. Whether a separate code for mathematics needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is still an open question, as far as I know. Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees limitations in the current code and has created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant change from the current code. I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just keep our cool a little. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me know. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here in the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a unified braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and constructions." Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action now. Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia which have larger populations of braille users? Sincerely, SusanJ ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. 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Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:44:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode References: Message-ID: NUBS workshop handouts CTEVH CONFERENCE MARCH 12-15, 2009 NUBS NEMETH UNIFORM BRAILLE SYSTEM Its implications to the SCIENTIFIC transcriber and reader PRESENTED BY: JOYCE HULL Page 1 INTRODUCTION The first part of this two-part workshop covered the impact of this new braille system on the literary transcriber and reader. That session included some discussion about the philosophy and rationale for developing a new braille code or system. The hand-out for that session also explained one of the critical concepts of NUBS - that of the two modes - narrative and notational. An understanding of that aspect of the new system is vital. If you were not able to attend that session, you are welcome to ask for a copy of that handout. It gives a fairly comprehensive argument for the development of a new braille code and Dr. Nemeth's approach to the task. The Nemeth Braille Code for Mathematics and Science Notation, 1972 Version, is used for the braille version of this workshop handout. It is also used in the simbraille examples, for representing the "current code" form of the example. The topics addressed in this workshop include: Mathematical Operators Fractions Vertical Mixed Quasi-Vertical Complex Spatial Spatial Complex Use of the Slash Superscripts and Subscripts Numeric Simple Multilevel Simultaneous and Non-simultaneous Cancellation and Renaming Digits in Subtraction Radicals Simple Nested Indexed Displayed Calculator and Computer Braille Page 2 MATHEMATICAL OPERATORS Most of the operators that have been used in the current Nemeth code are retained. Note that the multiplication signs are new. Plus ( + ) + (346) Minus ( - ) - (36) Multiply (×) .[ (46,246) or ( · ) ,] (6,12456) or ( * ) _[ (456,246) Divide ( ÷ ) ./ (46,34) Equal sign ( = ) = (123456) So a+b ÷ c = d would be ;a+b./c = d Note that this expression is preceded by dots 56, since it is embedded. This places us in the notational mode. If the expression were displayed, as in the example below, that cell would be omitted, since all displayed expressions are regarded as notational. distance = rate × time distance = rate.[time Note that contractions are not permitted when in the notational mode. This is a broader restriction than that defined in the current Nemeth code. FRACTIONS The basic fraction structure is retained. Vertical fractions ?1/3# ?a/b# ?a+b/c# a+?b/c#+d Mixed Fractions #3?1/2# #3?1_/2# Page 3 Quasi-vertical fractions ?a+b/c+d# #3?x/y# Linear fractions: (Numerator and denominator are at the same level in print.) a+b/c+d a+b_/c+d This is a+(b/c)+d and should not be interpreted as (a+b)/(c+d). Complex fractions. Note the use of dot 6 as the level of complexity indicator. ,??a/b#,/?c/d#,# Spatial fractions. Note that the denominator is left-adjusted, not centered. distance distance ;d rate = ------------- rate = ?33333333# or #33# time time t ;d #1 ?33# ?33# dx ;c a+b ?333# n Also note that, in a spatial fraction, whenever the numerator or the denominator consists of a single digit, a numeric indicator is required before that digit. If the numerator or denominator consists of a single letter, in the range of a through j, the letter sign ; (56) is required. Page 4 Spatial complex fraction ,?1?1/4#,/1?3/5#,# ?333333333333333333# #5 Note that the denominator is again aligned to the left, not centered. Use of the slash _/ (456, 34) in mathematics: In a linear fraction As dividers between parts of a date 1/3 #1_/3 6/28/95 #6_/28_/95 SUPERSCRIPTS AND SUBSCRIPTS The format for superscripts and subscripts has not been changed. This includes the special treatment for simple numeric subscripts like x1 and y2. No notational indicator is required when the material is displayed. x1+x2 x1+x2 (x sub 1 plus x sub 2) Note: No subscript or baseline indicators are required here. a11x1+a12x2+ . +a1nxn = b1 a11x1+a12x2+ ,,' +a;1n"x;n = b1 Note the new ellipsis and the new equal sign. Vitamin B12 ,vitam9 ,B#12 (The 12 is not a subscript, so a number sign is required before that number.) Simultaneous subscripts/superscripts P;a^.A^;x"+P;b^.b^;y Page 5 Non-simultaneous subscripts/superscripts ;x^?f/g#";,l ;x;,l"^?f/g# In the first example, the superscript is closer to x than the subscript; in the second example, the subscript is closer to x than the superscript. The base-level indicator between the two indices tells the reader that they are not simultaneous. The order in which the reader encounters the indices tells him which comes first and second. CANCELLATION AND RENAMING DIGITS IN SUBTRACTION Often we encounter a problem in subtraction, when a digit to be subtracted is larger than the digit above it. For example: 875 - 296 ---------- In describing the correct procedure for this problem, a textbook will often show "renamed" numbers above the number they replace. For example, the number 15 will be placed above the 5 and the 7 will be changed to a 6. Then the 6 is replaced by the number 16 and the 8 is replaced with a 7. The problem now looks like this: 7 16 15 6 15 ------------ 5 7 9 In print this presents no problem in alignment since the "renamed numbers" can be written in a small font so as not to disturb the alignment problem. In the current braille code, however, this creates a difficulty in that the 8, 7, and 5 must all be cancelled and then replaced above with 2-cell renaming numbers. This wreaks havoc with alignment. NUBS has a clever substitute for this process. Page 6 Fortunately, a two-digit replacement number in a subtraction scheme is always in the range of 10 to 18 inclusive. Therefore, we are able to contrive a "trick" for entering this two-digit number into one cell. We enter this number as a dropped number, as usual. We now add dot 1 into the same cell to indicate that this is a two-digit number whose ten's place is 1. Thus the numbers from 10 to 18 would be represented in one cell as follows: z - 10 b - 11 l - 12 h - 13 \ - 14 < - 15 r - 16 ( - 17 v - 18 In this subtraction scheme, subtraction is immediately possible in every column. Therefore, there are no cancelled digits and replacement numbers use one cell. 7 16 15 6 15 ------------ 5 7 9 Current code: NUBS: 7 16 15 7r< [ 6] 15 6< [8][ 7][ 5] 875 - 2 9 6 -296 33333333333333 333333 5 7 9 579 See how clean this is. There is no need for any cancellation indicators and the alignment is maintained. In any subtraction problem, consisting of a minuend and a subtrahend, any line above the minuend would be regarded as "renamed" numbers. CANCELLATION IN GENERAL Subtraction schemes do not have a monopoly on the use of cancellation. In arithmetic, cancellation is used in the process of reducing fractions to lowest terms, and in the multiplication or division of fractions. In algebra, cancellation is used for Page 7 the same reasons. However, there we would be dealing with number-and-letter combinations rather than just with numbers as in arithmetic. begin cancellation & (12346) end cancellation [ (246) If the text to be cancelled occupies one cell, the indicator _ (456) must be placed above or below it, as appropriate. EXAMPLES (showing cancellation) 1 1 1 --- × --- = ---- 6 2 3 #1 #1 _ _ #3 #4 #1 ?33#.[?33# = ?33# #8 #9 #6 _ _ #2 #3 If the text to be cancelled occupies more than one cell, the begin-cancellation indicator and the end-cancellation indicator must be placed at the first and the last cell, respectively, of the text to be cancelled. These indicators should be placed above or below the text to be cancelled, as appropriate. In this example, there are four terms to the left of the equal sign, each in parentheses. The third one is cancelled. (x - a1)(x - a2)(x - a3)(x - a4) = 0 & [ (x-a1)(x-a2)(x-a3)(4-a4) = 0 Page 8 RADICALS The begin radical indicator is the same, but the radical terminator is new: [ (246). So, is now ;>a+b[ And the quadratic formula would be X = ?-B_+>B^2"-4AC[/2A# Notice the new symbol for the ± sign: _+ (456, 346). Nested radicals are a bit different also. The level of nesting, or complexity indicator, dot 6, is now indicated at the beginning of the expression as is done with complex fractions. So the expression, a level-one radical, would be brailled as ,>x+>x+y[+>y[,[ INDEXED RADICALS The format for indicating an index for a radical is new. The index is treated as an exponent on the radical sign, and requires the baseline indicator before the radicand is entered. >^3"2[ The cube root of 2 #3>^3"x+y[ 3 times the cube root of (x plus y) >^n"a[ the nth root of a >^m+n"p+q[ the (m plus n)th root of (p plus q) Page 9 Nested Indexed Radicals ,>^3">x^2"[,[ = ,>>^3"x^2"[,[ ,>^3"x^2"+>^3"x^2"+y^2"[+y^2",[ Nested radicals, can be displayed spatially. ;333333333 _ ;333 ;3 >x+>x+y+>y CALCULATOR AND COMPUTER BRAILLE NUBS provides a method for showing a sequence of calculator keystrokes when such a sequence is present in print. A keystroke which is the picture of a keytop with its legend is introduced in NUBS by the braille character [ (246). In other notational contexts, this character is either the termination indicator or the end-cancellation indicator. When it is the first character of a keystroke in the notational mode, it cannot be interpreted as a termination indicator or the contraction for "ow". Neither can it be interpreted as an end-cancellation indicator which is always placed either above or below the notation to be cancelled. Therefore, using this symbol to introduce a keystroke is unambiguous. After this begin-keytop-legend indicator, we write the keytop legend using standard NUBS notation. A space follows the keytop legend before brailling the next keystroke. Keystrokes are notational and spatial and must be treated accordingly. Page 10 EXAMPLES (showing keystrokes) 1. Press [+/-. to change the sign of the number. (The legend on the keytop is +/- .) This set of keystrokes as shown in a print text: "Omitted" would be brailled as: #2]41 [,,ee #0 [./ #7]4 [,,ee #21 [= (This is a sequence of keystrokes in which some are numbers and some are not.) That's all for today. Dr. Nemeth has written rules for many other aspects of the scientific spectrum that we do not have time to go into in this session. He has defined the handling of functions, matrices, determinants, systems of equations, overscripts and underscripts, and has defined braille representations for many symbols and geometric shapes, both in braille and in tactile graphics. His full draft document which is nearing completion requires about 150 print pages. I would appreciate it very much if you would share with me any errors you find or suggestions you have that would improve this presentation. If you are interested in more details, please contact me at Joyce Hull jhull at fbs.net 407-349-5059 In Computer Braille Code, my e-mail address would be: _+jhull at fbs,net_: In NUBS it is ;jhull at afbs]net We would no longer need the Computer Braille Code if NUBS is adopted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode > NUBS info coming soon. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jacobson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > Nemethbraillecode > > >> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam. I forwarded some of >> the messages that appeared here, and >> she asked if I would post the following for her. >> >> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote: >> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared >> with >> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and >> the >> Nemeth Code. In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I >> would >> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is >> being >> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille >> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be >> followed shortly by the third). The article is intended to lay out the >> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is >> considering. >> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be >> making snap decisions. We have asked for and will continue to seek input >> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well. >> >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does >>>it >>>resemble the current math code? >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Joshua Lester >>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>Nemethbraillecode >> >>>Mr Jacobson: >>>Please E-mail me off list. >>>I'm interested in his new code. >>>Thanks, Joshua >> >>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >>>> First, >>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, >>>> resolutions won't be considered until next >>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to >>>> follow >>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we >>>> like >>>> it >>>> or not, print has been and is changing very >>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to >>>> keep >>>> up. Something has to happen to let us >>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >>>> seemlessly >>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing >>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long >>>> ago. >>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics >>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >>>> still >>>> an open question, as far as I know. >>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even >>>> sees >>>> limitations in the current code and has >>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >>>> change >>>> from the current code. >>>> >>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that >>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's >>>> just >>>> keep our cool a little. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Jacobson >>>> >>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> >>>>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>>>know. >>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>>Nemeth braillecode >>>> >>>>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, Joshua, >>>> >>>>> I'm with ya, brother! >>>> >>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>>>know >>>>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>>>meaning >>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>>>less. >>>>> 2011, you wrote: >>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>>>Leave it alone! >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>> wrote: >>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>>>code >>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>> >>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>abolishing >>>>> the Nemeth >>>>> braillecode >>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>author ] >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>--------------- >>>> >>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>>>National >>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>>> providing >>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>>>> transcribers here in >>>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>>>point in the >>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>>>> about a unified >>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>>>combine >>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>>> constructions." >>>> >>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>>>> the Braille >>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>>>"Education and >>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>>>universal >>>>> code." >>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>>>2011 and >>>>> will >>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>> >>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>>>maths in the >>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>>>to the >>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>>>take >>>>> action >>>>> now. >>>> >>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>>>Nemeth >>>>> code >>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>>>and >>>>> Indonesia >>>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> SusanJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>--------------- >>>> >>>> >>>>> a.. 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I'll E-mail someone, that knows Doctor Nemeth, and I'll give them my address, so I can get a feel for what the NUBS code is, and how to use it. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Please note that this is from over two years ago, so some things may have > changed.PRESS RELEASE March, 2009 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Judith > Dixon, Chairperson Braille Authority of North America PHONE: 1-202-707-0722 > E-MAIL: jdix at loc.gov Braille Authority of North > America To Evaluate Nemeth Uniform Braille System The Braille Authority of > North America announced today that it is making plans for the evaluation of > the recently completed Nemeth Uniform Braille System (NUBS). According to > its developer, Dr. Abraham Nemeth, NUBS is an updated version of the Nemeth > code, which has been in use since 1972. The new system has been in > development for ten years and is capable of rendering both literary and > technical texts. "BANA deliberates very carefully before making even small > changes to braille," said Judith Dixon, BANA chairperson. "We want to > ensure that braille readers have access to the same information as do their > print-reading counterparts in this age in which the norms for printed > material are evolving rapidly. However, it is essential that we understand > the impact of any changes on readability, writeability, space > considerations, familiarity to current braille readers, etc. The benefits > of making any change must be shown to outweigh the drawbacks." The timeline > and other details of the evaluation process are still being determined. The > evaluation will involve the input of all stakeholders, and information on > how those interested can provide input will be made available soon. To view > the completed code, or to read documents explaining the code, visit > http://www.braille2000.com/brl2000/nubs.htm The mission and purpose of the > Braille Authority of North America are to assure literacy for tactile > readers through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA > promotes and facilitates the use, teaching and production of braille. It > publishes rules, interprets and renders opinions pertaining to braille in > all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence or to be developed > in the future, in collaboration with other countries using English braille. > In exercising its function and authority, BANA considers the effects of its > decisions on other existing braille codes and formats; the ease of > production by various methods; and acceptability to readers. For additional > resource information, visit www.brailleauthority.org. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing > theNemethbraillecode > > >> NUBS info coming soon. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Jacobson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemethbraillecode >> >> >>> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam. I forwarded some of >>> the messages that appeared here, and >>> she asked if I would post the following for her. >>> >>> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote: >>> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared >>> with >>> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and >>> the >>> Nemeth Code. In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I >>> would >>> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is >>> being >>> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille >>> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be >>> followed shortly by the third). The article is intended to lay out the >>> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is >>> considering. >>> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be >>> making snap decisions. We have asked for and will continue to seek input >>> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well. >>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >>>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does >>>>it >>>>resemble the current math code? >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>Nemethbraillecode >>> >>>>Mr Jacobson: >>>>Please E-mail me off list. >>>>I'm interested in his new code. >>>>Thanks, Joshua >>> >>>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >>>>> First, >>>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >>>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, >>>>> resolutions won't be considered until next >>>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to >>>>> follow >>>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >>>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we >>>>> like >>>>> it >>>>> or not, print has been and is changing very >>>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to >>>>> keep >>>>> up. Something has to happen to let us >>>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >>>>> seemlessly >>>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing >>>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long >>>>> ago. >>>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics >>>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >>>>> still >>>>> an open question, as far as I know. >>>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even >>>>> sees >>>>> limitations in the current code and has >>>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >>>>> change >>>>> from the current code. >>>>> >>>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that >>>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >>>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's >>>>> just >>>>> keep our cool a little. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>>>>know. >>>>> >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>> >>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>>>Nemeth braillecode >>>>> >>>>>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Joshua, >>>>> >>>>>> I'm with ya, brother! >>>>> >>>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>>>>know >>>>>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>>>>meaning >>>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>>>>less. >>>>>> 2011, you wrote: >>>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>>>>Leave it alone! >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>>>>code >>>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>>> >>>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>>abolishing >>>>>> the Nemeth >>>>>> braillecode >>>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>>author ] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>--------------- >>>>> >>>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>>>>National >>>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>>>> providing >>>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>>>>> transcribers here in >>>>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>>>>point in the >>>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>>>>> about a unified >>>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>>>>combine >>>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>>>> constructions." >>>>> >>>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>>>>> the Braille >>>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>>>>"Education and >>>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>>>>universal >>>>>> code." >>>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>>>>2011 and >>>>>> will >>>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>>> >>>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>>>>maths in the >>>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>>>>to the >>>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>>>>take >>>>>> action >>>>>> now. >>>>> >>>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>>>>Nemeth >>>>>> code >>>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>>>>and >>>>>> Indonesia >>>>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> SusanJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>--------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>>abolishing >>>>>> the Nemeth >>>>>> braillecode >>>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>>author ] >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>>>>>rthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>>>m%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 23:46:40 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:46:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] contact info for BANA chairperson Message-ID: Hi everyone, I went on the BANA Web site, and found the contact information for the BANA chairperson. You can send your questions/concerns about BANA and the Nemeth issue to her. Here is the information: Judy Dixon Address: 1805 North Oakland Street Arlington, VA, 22207 Phone: 202-707-0722 Fax: 202-707-0712 Email: jdix at loc.gov. Hope this helps! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Sep 11 23:50:12 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:50:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode References: Message-ID: <06EC66E60EC04B0DAED9276F8AB6E3E7@stanford.edu> I also have a much longer document that is NUBS rules. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode > NUBS info coming soon. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jacobson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > Nemethbraillecode > > >> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam. I forwarded some of >> the messages that appeared here, and >> she asked if I would post the following for her. >> >> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote: >> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared >> with >> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and >> the >> Nemeth Code. In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I >> would >> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is >> being >> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille >> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be >> followed shortly by the third). The article is intended to lay out the >> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is >> considering. >> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be >> making snap decisions. We have asked for and will continue to seek input >> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well. >> >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does >>>it >>>resemble the current math code? >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Joshua Lester >>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>Nemethbraillecode >> >>>Mr Jacobson: >>>Please E-mail me off list. >>>I'm interested in his new code. >>>Thanks, Joshua >> >>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >>>> First, >>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, >>>> resolutions won't be considered until next >>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to >>>> follow >>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we >>>> like >>>> it >>>> or not, print has been and is changing very >>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to >>>> keep >>>> up. Something has to happen to let us >>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >>>> seemlessly >>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing >>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long >>>> ago. >>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics >>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >>>> still >>>> an open question, as far as I know. >>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even >>>> sees >>>> limitations in the current code and has >>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >>>> change >>>> from the current code. >>>> >>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that >>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's >>>> just >>>> keep our cool a little. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Jacobson >>>> >>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> >>>>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>>>know. >>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>>Nemeth braillecode >>>> >>>>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, Joshua, >>>> >>>>> I'm with ya, brother! >>>> >>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>>>know >>>>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>>>meaning >>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>>>less. >>>>> 2011, you wrote: >>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>>>Leave it alone! >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>> wrote: >>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>>>code >>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>> >>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>abolishing >>>>> the Nemeth >>>>> braillecode >>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>author ] >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>--------------- >>>> >>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>>>National >>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>>> providing >>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>>>> transcribers here in >>>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>>>point in the >>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>>>> about a unified >>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>>>combine >>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>>> constructions." >>>> >>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>>>> the Braille >>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>>>"Education and >>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>>>universal >>>>> code." >>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>>>2011 and >>>>> will >>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>> >>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>>>maths in the >>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>>>to the >>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>>>take >>>>> action >>>>> now. >>>> >>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>>>Nemeth >>>>> code >>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>>>and >>>>> Indonesia >>>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> SusanJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>--------------- >>>> >>>> >>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>abolishing >>>>> the Nemeth >>>>> braillecode >>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>author ] >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>>>>rthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>for nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>>m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 11 23:55:02 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:55:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: <06EC66E60EC04B0DAED9276F8AB6E3E7@stanford.edu> References: <06EC66E60EC04B0DAED9276F8AB6E3E7@stanford.edu> Message-ID: If you can get it, in a managable format, please E-mail it to me, off list. Thanks, Joshua On 9/11/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > I also have a much longer document that is NUBS rules. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing > theNemethbraillecode > > >> NUBS info coming soon. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Jacobson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemethbraillecode >> >> >>> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam. I forwarded some of >>> the messages that appeared here, and >>> she asked if I would post the following for her. >>> >>> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote: >>> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared >>> with >>> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and >>> the >>> Nemeth Code. In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I >>> would >>> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is >>> being >>> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille >>> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be >>> followed shortly by the third). The article is intended to lay out the >>> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is >>> considering. >>> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be >>> making snap decisions. We have asked for and will continue to seek input >>> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well. >>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >>>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does >>>>it >>>>resemble the current math code? >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>Nemethbraillecode >>> >>>>Mr Jacobson: >>>>Please E-mail me off list. >>>>I'm interested in his new code. >>>>Thanks, Joshua >>> >>>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >>>>> First, >>>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >>>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, >>>>> resolutions won't be considered until next >>>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to >>>>> follow >>>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >>>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we >>>>> like >>>>> it >>>>> or not, print has been and is changing very >>>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to >>>>> keep >>>>> up. Something has to happen to let us >>>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >>>>> seemlessly >>>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing >>>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long >>>>> ago. >>>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics >>>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >>>>> still >>>>> an open question, as far as I know. >>>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even >>>>> sees >>>>> limitations in the current code and has >>>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >>>>> change >>>>> from the current code. >>>>> >>>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that >>>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >>>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's >>>>> just >>>>> keep our cool a little. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>>>>know. >>>>> >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>> >>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>>>Nemeth braillecode >>>>> >>>>>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Joshua, >>>>> >>>>>> I'm with ya, brother! >>>>> >>>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>>>>know >>>>>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>>>>meaning >>>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>>>>less. >>>>>> 2011, you wrote: >>>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>>>>Leave it alone! >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>>>>code >>>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>>> >>>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>>abolishing >>>>>> the Nemeth >>>>>> braillecode >>>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>>author ] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>--------------- >>>>> >>>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>>>>National >>>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>>>> providing >>>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>>>>> transcribers here in >>>>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>>>>point in the >>>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>>>>> about a unified >>>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>>>>combine >>>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>>>> constructions." >>>>> >>>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>>>>> the Braille >>>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>>>>"Education and >>>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>>>>universal >>>>>> code." >>>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>>>>2011 and >>>>>> will >>>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>>> >>>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>>>>maths in the >>>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>>>>to the >>>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>>>>take >>>>>> action >>>>>> now. >>>>> >>>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>>>>Nemeth >>>>>> code >>>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>>>>and >>>>>> Indonesia >>>>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> SusanJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>--------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>>abolishing >>>>>> the Nemeth >>>>>> braillecode >>>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>>author ] >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>>>>>rthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>>>m%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 01:18:05 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:18:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [nabs] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: References: <4e6cf08d.c2c5e00a.49f1.fffffaa7@mx.google.com> <3225E7BF04AF4B84B65C8655AC464088@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911180652.01ccca18@earthlink.net> Hi, Joshua, Or , it is an indication of a certain color, creativity and rejection of the pallid cast of things indicative of free thinking. And yes, a little irreverent ness. For those who remain content to confine their thinking to "acceptable shades of "nice" and flavorless, language perhaps, don't require any salt to feel they have expressed themselves, in a way that suits them. their At 12:25 PM 9/11/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >If there is a new code, the BANA should consult with Doctor Nemeth, first. >He knows, what he's doing. >This new code of his, may be the answer. >I'd be for it, if he accepts it. >It's got to be Nemeth approved, first, (IMO.) >Chris, I hear profanety from my family, too. >I expected to go to school, (when I was younger,) to get away from it, >but I couldn't. >I don't like it, and to quote my 10th grade English instructor, when >someone uses that kind of language, it shows, that they have a limited >vocabulary. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does it > > resemble the current math code? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > > Nemethbraillecode > > > > Mr Jacobson: > > Please E-mail me off list. > > I'm interested in his new code. > > Thanks, Joshua > > > > On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. > >> First, > >> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the > >> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, > >> resolutions won't be considered until next > >> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow > >> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things > >> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like > >> it > >> or not, print has been and is changing very > >> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to > >> keep > >> up. Something has to happen to let us > >> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to > >> seemlessly > >> weave in the kinds of technical writing > >> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. > >> Whether a separate code for mathematics > >> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is > >> still > >> an open question, as far as I know. > >> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees > >> limitations in the current code and has > >> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant > >> change > >> from the current code. > >> > >> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that > >> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary > >> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just > >> keep our cool a little. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Steve Jacobson > >> > >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> > >>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me > >>>know. > >> > >>> Chris Nusbaum > >> > >>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > >>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > >>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > >>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > >>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > >>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > >> > >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > >>>www.icanfoundation.info for > >>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >> > >> > >>>Sent from my BrailleNote > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: Joshua Lester >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> >>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 > >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > >>>Nemeth braillecode > >> > >>>Carly, it's shameful. > >>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. > >>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. > >>>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Hi, Joshua, > >> > >>> I'm with ya, brother! > >> > >>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as > >>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I > >>>know > >>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find > >>>meaning > >>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any > >>>less. > >>> 2011, you wrote: > >>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. > >>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! > >>>Leave it alone! > >>>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > >>> wrote: > >>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille > >>>code > >>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com > >>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 > >> > >>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility > >>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering > >>>abolishing > >>> the Nemeth > >>> braillecode > >>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > >>>author ] > >> > >> > >>> > >>>----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>--------------- > >> > >>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the > >>>National > >>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization > >>> providing > >>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille > >>> transcribers here in > >>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some > >>>point in the > >>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision > >>> about a unified > >>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will > >>>combine > >>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and > >>> constructions." > >> > >>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to > >>> the Braille > >>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA > >>>"Education and > >>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a > >>>universal > >>> code." > >>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, > >>>2011 and > >>> will > >>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. > >> > >>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of > >>>maths in the > >>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior > >>>to the > >>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to > >>>take > >>> action > >>> now. > >> > >>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the > >>>Nemeth > >>> code > >>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India > >>>and > >>> Indonesia > >>> which have larger populations of braille users? > >> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> SusanJ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>>----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>--------------- > >> > >> > >>> a.. 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Folks die daily usually at the hands of American interests. Imagine the scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, We all have varying views on how to >address safety and security. But somehow, some >way, those terrorists got through. We were >attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class >in high school when I heard the news. School was >closed the next day. Our school had an assembly >where the choir, band, and other groups >performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we >all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be >praying for our country and everyone’s >safety/security on the anniversary. I’m a >Christian so I have faith that we will grow >stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one >impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered >somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in >churches, others are going to public memorials >today and still others will do volunteer service >to serve the country. If you are doing anything >different or special, I hope it goes well for >you. Take care. Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 01:26:34 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:26:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code In-Reply-To: <9CAE84F918B2467A8BC6C20E0217BA30@OwnerPC> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110910204546.01d2a5c0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110910212225.01d6bbe8@earthlink.net> <9CAE84F918B2467A8BC6C20E0217BA30@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182612.01d1cb70@earthlink.net> Oh, a palid means of expression?At 11:27 AM 9/11/2011, you wrote: >Hi all, >I don't think we need swearing to express our opposition. >Joshua, think about your resolution before proposing it and drafting >it. If you want to proclaim you're against it, then what are you for and why? >We need to understand Bana's decission and what would replace >nemeth. I'm not really for the change, but I do not know if a >resolution is the answer. > >As to not learning any new code/changes that Bana puts out, that is >a bad decission. Times change, and whether we like it or not, we >have to change and learn new written symbols. > >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:28 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth >braille code > > > >Hi, Joshua, > >That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not >being significant capital, behind this braille unification >bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I >guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 >PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>Carly, it's shameful. >>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hi, Joshua, >> > >> > I'm with ya, brother! >> > >> > The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> > being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know >> > and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning >> > within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. >> > 2011, you wrote: >> >>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >> >>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >> >>Leave it alone! >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> >>wrote: >> >> > [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code >> >> > Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> >> > Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >> > >> >> > a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> >> > b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing >> >> the Nemeth >> >> > braillecode >> >> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of >> the >> > National >> >> > Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> >> > providing >> >> > continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> >> transcribers here in >> >> > the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >> point in >> > the >> >> > near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> >> about a unified >> >> > braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that >> will >> > combine >> >> > literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> >> > constructions." >> >> > >> >> > Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> >> the Braille >> >> > Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and >> >> > Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal >> >> > code." >> >> > Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >> 2011 >> > and >> >> > will >> >> > be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >> > >> >> > If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >> maths in >> > the >> >> > current proposals for a unified code are significantly >> inferior to >> > the >> >> > Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take >> >> > action >> >> > now. >> >> > >> >> > Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth >> >> > code >> >> > just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and >> >> > Indonesia >> >> > which have larger populations of braille users? >> >> > >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> > SusanJ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > a.. 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Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear >>thlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 02:14:54 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:14:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <129F51801CFB4C018F7F356A47DDE108@OwnerPC> Steve, Great points. I also think waiting to write a resolution next year closer to the convention with current facts is a good idea. Since many of us are comfortable with the current system, I hope future changes are implemented slowly and are not too dramatic. For instance, I like the dropped numbers for math now. It makes it easier to recognize those math numbers for what they are. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Steve Jacobson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode Chris, I know Sharon, and I am certain she would be of help. What I was trying to explain is that it isn't the resolution's committees jobs in general to write resolutions, but rather to work with resolutions that have already been written. People who feel strongly about an issue need to find others and work together to write a resolution. My point in mentioning next summer is this. The reason this has come up now is because a message was posted on one of our lists. BANA and other braille bodies throughout the world have been wrestling with this problem for a decade or two now. It could be that some things might well change by next convention so writing a resolution now for next summer just doesn't make much sense. Writing a resolution next spring with facts and concerns that are current as of that time makes more sense. The discussion here is occurring as if something is going to happen within days, and that's not the case. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:34:21 -0400, chris nusbaum wrote: >Hi Ashley and everyone, >For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the >BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject >Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I >are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something >from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave >that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas >he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all >members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do >you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are >the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments, >Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to >talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be >written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer, >but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a >resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee. >Chris >On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who >> should >> not pick up bad language from this >> list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many >> kid's >> parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they >> were learning profanity from a list. >> >> Now to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press >> release? What do they wish to replace it with? >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemethbraillecode >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should >> limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might >> discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection >> from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! >> * Smiles! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemeth braillecode >> >> Wow! >> The cursing is back! >> We have an eighth grader, on this list. >> Please keep the profanety down. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Joshua, >> >> That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there >> not >> being significant capital, behind this braille unification >> bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and >> outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig >> mediocrity. I >> guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. >> 06 >> PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Carly, it's shameful. >> I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >> Hopefully, I'll hear something. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Joshua, >> >> I'm with ya, brother! >> >> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >> know >> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >> meaning >> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >> less. >> 2011, you wrote: >> I'm all for a unified Braille code. >> That code, is the Nemeth Code! >> Leave it alone! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >> > wrote: >> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >> code >> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >> >> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >> abolishing >> the Nemeth >> braillecode >> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >> author ] >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------------- >> >> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >> National >> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >> providing >> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >> transcribers here in >> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >> point in >> the >> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >> about a unified >> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >> combine >> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >> constructions." >> >> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >> the Braille >> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >> "Education and >> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >> universal >> code." >> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >> 2011 >> and >> will >> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >> >> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >> maths in >> the >> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >> to >> the >> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >> take >> action >> now. >> >> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >> Nemeth >> code >> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >> and >> Indonesia >> which have larger populations of braille users? >> >> Sincerely, >> SusanJ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------------- >> >> >> a.. 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The real >problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 02:24:22 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:24:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishingtheNemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What does Nubs entail, I wonder? Does it combine nemeth code and literary code? Is its scope for all north america or does this affect the europeans too? Remember that england and some other countries have English as their official language or use it widely. I wondered how this will impact english in other countries. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 7:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishingtheNemethbraillecode Interesting information. I'll E-mail someone, that knows Doctor Nemeth, and I'll give them my address, so I can get a feel for what the NUBS code is, and how to use it. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Please note that this is from over two years ago, so some things may have > changed.PRESS RELEASE March, 2009 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Judith > Dixon, Chairperson Braille Authority of North America PHONE: > 1-202-707-0722 > E-MAIL: jdix at loc.gov Braille Authority of North > America To Evaluate Nemeth Uniform Braille System The Braille Authority of > North America announced today that it is making plans for the evaluation > of > the recently completed Nemeth Uniform Braille System (NUBS). According to > its developer, Dr. Abraham Nemeth, NUBS is an updated version of the > Nemeth > code, which has been in use since 1972. The new system has been in > development for ten years and is capable of rendering both literary and > technical texts. "BANA deliberates very carefully before making even small > changes to braille," said Judith Dixon, BANA chairperson. "We want to > ensure that braille readers have access to the same information as do > their > print-reading counterparts in this age in which the norms for printed > material are evolving rapidly. However, it is essential that we > understand > the impact of any changes on readability, writeability, space > considerations, familiarity to current braille readers, etc. The benefits > of making any change must be shown to outweigh the drawbacks." The > timeline > and other details of the evaluation process are still being determined. > The > evaluation will involve the input of all stakeholders, and information on > how those interested can provide input will be made available soon. To > view > the completed code, or to read documents explaining the code, visit > http://www.braille2000.com/brl2000/nubs.htm The mission and purpose of the > Braille Authority of North America are to assure literacy for tactile > readers through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. > BANA > promotes and facilitates the use, teaching and production of braille. It > publishes rules, interprets and renders opinions pertaining to braille in > all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence or to be > developed > in the future, in collaboration with other countries using English > braille. > In exercising its function and authority, BANA considers the effects of > its > decisions on other existing braille codes and formats; the ease of > production by various methods; and acceptability to readers. For > additional > resource information, visit www.brailleauthority.org. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing > theNemethbraillecode > > >> NUBS info coming soon. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Jacobson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >> Nemethbraillecode >> >> >>> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam. I forwarded some of >>> the messages that appeared here, and >>> she asked if I would post the following for her. >>> >>> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote: >>> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared >>> with >>> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and >>> the >>> Nemeth Code. In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I >>> would >>> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is >>> being >>> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille >>> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be >>> followed shortly by the third). The article is intended to lay out the >>> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is >>> considering. >>> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be >>> making snap decisions. We have asked for and will continue to seek >>> input >>> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well. >>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >>>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does >>>>it >>>>resemble the current math code? >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>Nemethbraillecode >>> >>>>Mr Jacobson: >>>>Please E-mail me off list. >>>>I'm interested in his new code. >>>>Thanks, Joshua >>> >>>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >>>>> First, >>>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >>>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and >>>>> second, >>>>> resolutions won't be considered until next >>>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to >>>>> follow >>>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >>>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we >>>>> like >>>>> it >>>>> or not, print has been and is changing very >>>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille >>>>> to >>>>> keep >>>>> up. Something has to happen to let us >>>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >>>>> seemlessly >>>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing >>>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long >>>>> ago. >>>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics >>>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >>>>> still >>>>> an open question, as far as I know. >>>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even >>>>> sees >>>>> limitations in the current code and has >>>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >>>>> change >>>>> from the current code. >>>>> >>>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as >>>>> that >>>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >>>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's >>>>> just >>>>> keep our cool a little. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>>>>know. >>>>> >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>> >>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>>>Nemeth braillecode >>>>> >>>>>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Joshua, >>>>> >>>>>> I'm with ya, brother! >>>>> >>>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>>>>know >>>>>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>>>>meaning >>>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>>>>less. >>>>>> 2011, you wrote: >>>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>>>>Leave it alone! >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>>>>code >>>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>>> >>>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>>abolishing >>>>>> the Nemeth >>>>>> braillecode >>>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>>author ] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>--------------- >>>>> >>>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>>>>National >>>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>>>> providing >>>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>>>>> transcribers here in >>>>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>>>>point in the >>>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>>>>> about a unified >>>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>>>>combine >>>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>>>> constructions." >>>>> >>>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>>>>> the Braille >>>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>>>>"Education and >>>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>>>>universal >>>>>> code." >>>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>>>>2011 and >>>>>> will >>>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>>> >>>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>>>>maths in the >>>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>>>>to the >>>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>>>>take >>>>>> action >>>>>> now. >>>>> >>>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>>>>Nemeth >>>>>> code >>>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>>>>and >>>>>> Indonesia >>>>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> SusanJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>--------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>>abolishing >>>>>> the Nemeth >>>>>> braillecode >>>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>>author ] >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>>>>>rthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>>>m%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 02:27:13 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:27:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishingtheNemethbraillecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402E51337D1E4BC5A70965D6ED008CA7@OwnerPC> Nicole thanks for sharing this. It gives some background and reasoning behind the changes and says what Nubs stands for. -----Original Message----- From: Nicole B. Torcolini at Home Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 7:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishingtheNemethbraillecode Please note that this is from over two years ago, so some things may have changed.PRESS RELEASE March, 2009 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Judith Dixon, Chairperson Braille Authority of North America PHONE: 1-202-707-0722 E-MAIL: jdix at loc.gov Braille Authority of North America To Evaluate Nemeth Uniform Braille System The Braille Authority of North America announced today that it is making plans for the evaluation of the recently completed Nemeth Uniform Braille System (NUBS). According to its developer, Dr. Abraham Nemeth, NUBS is an updated version of the Nemeth code, which has been in use since 1972. The new system has been in development for ten years and is capable of rendering both literary and technical texts. "BANA deliberates very carefully before making even small changes to braille," said Judith Dixon, BANA chairperson. "We want to ensure that braille readers have access to the same information as do their print-reading counterparts in this age in which the norms for printed material are evolving rapidly. However, it is essential that we understand the impact of any changes on readability, writeability, space considerations, familiarity to current braille readers, etc. The benefits of making any change must be shown to outweigh the drawbacks." The timeline and other details of the evaluation process are still being determined. The evaluation will involve the input of all stakeholders, and information on how those interested can provide input will be made available soon. To view the completed code, or to read documents explaining the code, visit http://www.braille2000.com/brl2000/nubs.htm The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America are to assure literacy for tactile readers through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes and facilitates the use, teaching and production of braille. It publishes rules, interprets and renders opinions pertaining to braille in all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence or to be developed in the future, in collaboration with other countries using English braille. In exercising its function and authority, BANA considers the effects of its decisions on other existing braille codes and formats; the ease of production by various methods; and acceptability to readers. For additional resource information, visit www.brailleauthority.org. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode > NUBS info coming soon. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jacobson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the > Nemethbraillecode > > >> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam. I forwarded some of >> the messages that appeared here, and >> she asked if I would post the following for her. >> >> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote: >> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared >> with >> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and >> the >> Nemeth Code. In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I >> would >> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is >> being >> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille >> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be >> followed shortly by the third). The article is intended to lay out the >> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is >> considering. >> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be >> making snap decisions. We have asked for and will continue to seek input >> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well. >> >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does >>>it >>>resemble the current math code? >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Joshua Lester >>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>Nemethbraillecode >> >>>Mr Jacobson: >>>Please E-mail me off list. >>>I'm interested in his new code. >>>Thanks, Joshua >> >>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. >>>> First, >>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the >>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, >>>> resolutions won't be considered until next >>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to >>>> follow >>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things >>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we >>>> like >>>> it >>>> or not, print has been and is changing very >>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to >>>> keep >>>> up. Something has to happen to let us >>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to >>>> seemlessly >>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing >>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long >>>> ago. >>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics >>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is >>>> still >>>> an open question, as far as I know. >>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even >>>> sees >>>> limitations in the current code and has >>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant >>>> change >>>> from the current code. >>>> >>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that >>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary >>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's >>>> just >>>> keep our cool a little. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Jacobson >>>> >>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> >>>>>I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me >>>>>know. >>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500 >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the >>>>>Nemeth braillecode >>>> >>>>>Carly, it's shameful. >>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. >>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something. >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, Joshua, >>>> >>>>> I'm with ya, brother! >>>> >>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as >>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I >>>>>know >>>>> and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find >>>>>meaning >>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any >>>>>less. >>>>> 2011, you wrote: >>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code. >>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code! >>>>>Leave it alone! >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home >>>>> wrote: >>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille >>>>>code >>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com >>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 >>>> >>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>abolishing >>>>> the Nemeth >>>>> braillecode >>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>author ] >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>--------------- >>>> >>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the >>>>>National >>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization >>>>> providing >>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille >>>>> transcribers here in >>>>> the United States. The President's Message states, "At some >>>>>point in the >>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision >>>>> about a unified >>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will >>>>>combine >>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and >>>>> constructions." >>>> >>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to >>>>> the Braille >>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA >>>>>"Education and >>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a >>>>>universal >>>>> code." >>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, >>>>>2011 and >>>>> will >>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. >>>> >>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of >>>>>maths in the >>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior >>>>>to the >>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to >>>>>take >>>>> action >>>>> now. >>>> >>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the >>>>>Nemeth >>>>> code >>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India >>>>>and >>>>> Indonesia >>>>> which have larger populations of braille users? >>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> SusanJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>--------------- >>>> >>>> >>>>> a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility >>>>> b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering >>>>>abolishing >>>>> the Nemeth >>>>> braillecode >>>>> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ >>>>>author ] >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >>>>>rthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>>>>0students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>for nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>>m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 12 02:40:51 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:40:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: That's the same old liberal bloviating, that gets on my nerves. Watch Bill ORiley, for a change! Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: > > > Good afternoon, List, > > Just because Americans were the souls who > perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, > expected to change? Folks die daily usually at > the hands of American interests. Imagine the > scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM > 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>Hi all, We all have varying views on how to >>address safety and security. But somehow, some >>way, those terrorists got through. We were >>attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class >>in high school when I heard the news. School was >>closed the next day. Our school had an assembly >>where the choir, band, and other groups >>performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we >>all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be >>praying for our country and everyone’s >>safety/security on the anniversary. I’m a >>Christian so I have faith that we will grow >>stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one >>impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered >>somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in >>churches, others are going to public memorials >>today and still others will do volunteer service >>to serve the country. If you are doing anything >>different or special, I hope it goes well for >>you. Take care. Ashley >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 03:04:24 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:04:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> Carley, Yes lives are lost due to American military actions. Whether fighting where we do is right or wrong is a political comment so I will not go there. But two wrongs do not make a right. The fact is we have terrorists out there who want to destroy us even though we did not touch them. Remember 911 was a peaceful calm day. Everyone was at work or school going about their normal business. Then without warning, we had these morning attacks. They attacked us and there was dying for no reason. They killed innocent people. I was watching the news tonight and it highlighted the stories of children, first responders, journalists and survivors. For instance one lady is now going to college, but as a kid, she was impacted. Her mother worked in the pentagon and died that day. She spoke about having to grow up fast and take on more adult responsibilities. She had to put her college degree on hold. Instead she got a job to help she and her family out. She tried to be strong and hide her feelings as she became the woman of the house to replace her mother. Now she goes to school online and is a part time singer. She still misses her mother, but tries to go on with life with her dad and remaining family; after all, her mom would want that. That is just one story-- one girl whose life was changed forever. Many kids lost a parent in the attack; others lost their spouse. Oh, and I know a blind employee who was there and had to evacuate from the pentagon. He felt lost outside a different exit and it was a mob scene. Someone assisted him outside to find the bus stop or something. I was glad he got out safely. So that is something to think about. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. But I hope we can aknowledge the suffering the country went through as well as the innocent people who die every day here and abroad. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Good afternoon, List, Just because Americans were the souls who perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, expected to change? Folks die daily usually at the hands of American interests. Imagine the scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. >But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a >decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. >School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, >band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all >take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and >everyone’s safety/security on the anniversary. I’m a Christian so I >have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one >impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. >Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still >others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing >anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. >Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brlsurfer at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 03:38:36 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:38:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box Message-ID: <4e6d7ee6.6500e70a.5161.ffffe03e@mx.google.com> Hi. My name is Vejas. I more a freshman in Mira Costa High School, in Manhattan Beach, California. My school is using a system called DropBox, via www.dropbox.com to communicate with teachers and students and so that they can give us work. Have any of you tried downloading, or at least accessing, DropBox off the BrailleNote? If so, how did you do it? From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Sep 12 03:48:39 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:48:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box References: <4e6d7ee6.6500e70a.5161.ffffe03e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9E1F845C89804F5DAFFF6FA30A0B7264@stanford.edu> If you are using a BrailleNote, you will have to go through the website instead of using the computer program. If you have access to a computer, using the computer program is much easier. However, if you do not, it is still possible to use the BrailleNote to access the website. If you find that the website is being very slow to load, try www.skweezer.com. ----- Original Message ----- From: "vejas" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:38 PM Subject: [nabs-l] drop box > Hi. My name is Vejas. I more a freshman in Mira Costa High School, in > Manhattan Beach, California. > > My school is using a system called DropBox, via www.dropbox.com to > communicate with teachers and students and so that they can give us work. > Have any of you tried downloading, or at least accessing, DropBox off the > BrailleNote? If so, how did you do it? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From robinmel71 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 05:46:08 2011 From: robinmel71 at earthlink.net (Robin) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:46:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911223611.0245bb20@earthlink.net> Ashley, You're MAKIN' a statement without KNOWIN' all of the facts. Obviously,something this government did, precipatated "The Attack" on the 11TH of September 2001. One person's "terrorist" is another person's "Freedom Fighter". It depends how you LOOK at it. ! All Governments LIE ! At 08:04 PM 9/11/2011, you wrote: >Carley, Yes lives are lost due to American >military actions. Whether fighting where we do >is right or wrong is a political comment so I >will not go there. But two wrongs do not make a >right. The fact is we have terrorists out there >who want to destroy us even though we did not >touch them. Remember 911 was a peaceful calm >day. Everyone was at work or school going about >their normal business. Then without warning, we >had these morning attacks. They attacked us and >there was dying for no reason. They killed >innocent people. I was watching the news tonight >and it highlighted the stories of children, >first responders, journalists and survivors. For >instance one lady is now going to college, but >as a kid, she was impacted. Her mother worked in >the pentagon and died that day. She spoke about >having to grow up fast and take on more adult >responsibilities. She had to put her college >degree on hold. Instead she got a job to help >she and her family out. She tried to be strong >and hide her feelings as she became the woman of >the house to replace her mother. Now she goes to >school online and is a part time singer. She >still misses her mother, but tries to go on with >life with her dad and remaining family; after >all, her mom would want that. That is just one >story-- one girl whose life was changed forever. >Many kids lost a parent in the attack; others >lost their spouse. Oh, and I know a blind >employee who was there and had to evacuate from >the pentagon. He felt lost outside a different >exit and it was a mob scene. Someone assisted >him outside to find the bus stop or something. I >was glad he got out safely. So that is something >to think about. Of course you are entitled to >your opinion. But I hope we can aknowledge the >suffering the country went through as well as >the innocent people who die every day here and >abroad. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: >Carly Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:24 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing list ; National Association of Blind >Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >reflecting on the attacks Good afternoon, List, >Just because Americans were the souls who >perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, >expected to change? Folks die daily usually at >the hands of American interests. Imagine the >scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM >9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, We >all have varying views on how to address safety >and security. >But somehow, some way, those >terrorists got through. We were attacked >a >decade ago. I was finishing a class in high >school when I heard the news. >School was closed >the next day. Our school had an assembly where >the choir, >band, and other groups performed to >commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all >take a >moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for >our country and >everyone’s safety/security >on the anniversary. Iâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢m a Christian so >I >have faith that we will grow stronger as a >nation. If you had a loved one >impacted by the >attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the >tragedy. >Some pray in churches, others are >going to public memorials today and >still >others will do volunteer service to serve >the country. If you are doing >anything >different or special, I hope it goes well for >you. Take care. >Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robinmel71%40earthlink.net > From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 06:21:57 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:21:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911231051.01d1b7c8@earthlink.net> Hi, Ashley, Is it me, or does an idea persist that for a mere fact that those who suffred on 9/11 happened to be American in nationality or white in race, somehow make it more of a tragedy? As I have said, America murders innocents in it's drone and other atacks (for the uninitiated, drone attacks refer to a methodical killing via a machine), on a daily freaking basis yet, who can cry for those so unfortunate as to not be born American, or white? And J. Lester I have absolutely ZERO interest in watching a blow hard like Bill O'Reilly even if it remains a perscription of your's. OOryleAt 08:04 PM 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Carley, Yes lives are lost due to American >military actions. Whether fighting where we do >is right or wrong is a political comment so I >will not go there. But two wrongs do not make a >right. The fact is we have terrorists out there >who want to destroy us even though we did not >touch them. Remember 911 was a peaceful calm >day. Everyone was at work or school going about >their normal business. Then without warning, we >had these morning attacks. They attacked us and >there was dying for no reason. They killed >innocent people. I was watching the news tonight >and it highlighted the stories of children, >first responders, journalists and survivors. For >instance one lady is now going to college, but >as a kid, she was impacted. Her mother worked in >the pentagon and died that day. She spoke about >having to grow up fast and take on more adult >responsibilities. She had to put her college >degree on hold. Instead she got a job to help >she and her family out. She tried to be strong >and hide her feelings as she became the woman of >the house to replace her mother. Now she goes to >school online and is a part time singer. She >still misses her mother, but tries to go on with >life with her dad and remaining family; after >all, her mom would want that. That is just one >story-- one girl whose life was changed forever. >Many kids lost a parent in the attack; others >lost their spouse. Oh, and I know a blind >employee who was there and had to evacuate from >the pentagon. He felt lost outside a different >exit and it was a mob scene. Someone assisted >him outside to find the bus stop or something. I >was glad he got out safely. So that is something >to think about. Of course you are entitled to >your opinion. But I hope we can aknowledge the >suffering the country went through as well as >the innocent people who die every day here and >abroad. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: >Carly Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:24 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing list ; National Association of Blind >Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >reflecting on the attacks Good afternoon, List, >Just because Americans were the souls who >perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, >expected to change? Folks die daily usually at >the hands of American interests. Imagine the >scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM >9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, We >all have varying views on how to address safety >and security. >But somehow, some way, those >terrorists got through. We were attacked >a >decade ago. I was finishing a class in high >school when I heard the news. >School was closed >the next day. Our school had an assembly where >the choir, >band, and other groups performed to >commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all >take a >moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for >our country and >everyone’s safety/security >on the anniversary. Iâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢m a Christian so >I >have faith that we will grow stronger as a >nation. If you had a loved one >impacted by the >attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the >tragedy. >Some pray in churches, others are >going to public memorials today and >still >others will do volunteer service to serve >the country. If you are doing >anything >different or special, I hope it goes well for >you. Take care. >Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 08:41:43 2011 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 03:41:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110911231051.01d1b7c8@earthlink.net> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911231051.01d1b7c8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Robin, Carly and all, Ten years ago this country went through an attack of greater magnitude than anyone can know or comprehend if they weren't directly impacted. Sure, everyone has to go through airport screenings now and people feel inconvenienced, but I guaran-damn-tee you that if another attack on the scale of what happened ten years ago happened today, nobody would be complaining for a few years until another generation comes along and starts getting complacent. We should remember those who died. We should honor their memories by not allowing any individual to terrorize America or its interests. And we should do it quick before the terrorists hit again. This nation needs unity, not division. Bill Orily and Rachel Madow are puppets who spout opinions. It doesn't matter whom you like, both of them are opinionated and they heir those opinions to the masses. If you let yourself not think freely and get dragged in by either side's opinionators, then you deserve every inconvenience this government could possibly hand you. That's the problem we have now. People have stopped using their brains and trusting their instincts and instead relying on msnbc or fox news to tell them what's going on. Or maybe twitter. If you don't like what the United States is doing to other nations and you think the US should be soft because maybe you think that somehow other nations are just going to back down and forget the US exists, then you've got another reality coming to you. If you don't like the United States' actions against its enemies who are hell-bent on our destruction, then please, leave this country and don't return. If you need transport, please let me know and I'm sure we can work out an arrangement. Just surrender your passport to me when you leave, OK? And if you join or affiliate yourself with a group that wants to destroy the US of A, then don't be too surprised if you run into some problems if you take any action against us. Thanks, and I apologize to the mods of this list for helping continue this off-topic thread. On 12.09.2011, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Ashley, > > Is it me, or does an idea persist that for a mere > fact that those who suffred on 9/11 happened to > be American in nationality or white in > race, somehow make it more of a tragedy? As I > have said, America murders innocents in it's > drone and other atacks (for the uninitiated, > drone attacks refer to a methodical killing via a > machine), on a daily freaking basis yet, who can > cry for those so unfortunate as to not be born American, or white? > And J. Lester I have absolutely ZERO interest in > watching a blow hard like Bill O'Reilly even if > it remains a perscription of your's. > OOryleAt 08:04 PM 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>Carley, Yes lives are lost due to American >>military actions. Whether fighting where we do >>is right or wrong is a political comment so I >>will not go there. But two wrongs do not make a >>right. The fact is we have terrorists out there >>who want to destroy us even though we did not >>touch them. Remember 911 was a peaceful calm >>day. Everyone was at work or school going about >>their normal business. Then without warning, we >>had these morning attacks. They attacked us and >>there was dying for no reason. They killed >>innocent people. I was watching the news tonight >>and it highlighted the stories of children, >>first responders, journalists and survivors. For >>instance one lady is now going to college, but >>as a kid, she was impacted. Her mother worked in >>the pentagon and died that day. She spoke about >>having to grow up fast and take on more adult >>responsibilities. She had to put her college >>degree on hold. Instead she got a job to help >>she and her family out. She tried to be strong >>and hide her feelings as she became the woman of >>the house to replace her mother. Now she goes to >>school online and is a part time singer. She >>still misses her mother, but tries to go on with >>life with her dad and remaining family; after >>all, her mom would want that. That is just one >>story-- one girl whose life was changed forever. >>Many kids lost a parent in the attack; others >>lost their spouse. Oh, and I know a blind >>employee who was there and had to evacuate from >>the pentagon. He felt lost outside a different >>exit and it was a mob scene. Someone assisted >>him outside to find the bus stop or something. I >>was glad he got out safely. So that is something >>to think about. Of course you are entitled to >>your opinion. But I hope we can aknowledge the >>suffering the country went through as well as >>the innocent people who die every day here and >>abroad. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: >>Carly Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:24 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students >>mailing list ; National Association of Blind >>Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >>reflecting on the attacks Good afternoon, List, >>Just because Americans were the souls who >>perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, >>expected to change? Folks die daily usually at >>the hands of American interests. Imagine the >>scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM >>9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, We >>all have varying views on how to address safety >>and security. >But somehow, some way, those >>terrorists got through. We were attacked >>a >decade ago. I was finishing a class in high >>school when I heard the news. >School was closed >>the next day. Our school had an assembly where >>the choir, >band, and other groups performed to >>commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all >take a >>moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for >>our country and >everyone’s safety/security >>on the anniversary. Iâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢m a Christian so >>I >have faith that we will grow stronger as a >>nation. If you had a loved one >impacted by the >>attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the >>tragedy. >Some pray in churches, others are >>going to public memorials today and >>still >others will do volunteer service to serve >>the country. If you are doing >anything >>different or special, I hope it goes well for >>you. Take care. >Ashley >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for >>nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >>_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. 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Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 10:02:43 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:02:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box In-Reply-To: <4e6d7ee6.6500e70a.5161.ffffe03e@mx.google.com> References: <4e6d7ee6.6500e70a.5161.ffffe03e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Vejas, Welcome to the list. I haven't used Dropbox for school-related assignments, but use it on a daily basis to sync documents with my computer and iPhone. The setup process is accessible as well as using the program which will sit in the system tray. Your screen reader of choice will alert you when a new file has been uploaded. HTH -----Original Message----- From: vejas Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] drop box Hi. My name is Vejas. I more a freshman in Mira Costa High School, in Manhattan Beach, California. My school is using a system called DropBox, via www.dropbox.com to communicate with teachers and students and so that they can give us work. Have any of you tried downloading, or at least accessing, DropBox off the BrailleNote? If so, how did you do it? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 11:44:39 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6df0bf.552fe70a.3f4b.1680@mx.google.com> I=20understand=20that=20safety=20and=20security=20are=20an=20issue.=20=20Bu= t=20after=20 9/11,=20airlines=20I=20think=20have=20been=20treating=20uss=20mercilessly=20= bad.=20=20 With=20no=20mercy,=20airlines=20have=20taken=20canes=20away,=20dug=20into=20= babies'=20 bottles,=20taken=20diapers=20off,=20and=20so=20many=20other=20violations=20= of=20 people's=20privacy.=20=20I=20went=20to=20Florida=20with=20my=20hijab=20on=20= and=20I=20had=20 to=20have=20somebody=20pat=20me=20down.=20=20No=20thrills,=20but=20still.=20= =20I=20don't=20 particularly=20like=20the=20security=20checkpoints=20because=20of=20how=20t= hey=20 might=20think=20of=20a=20blind=20person,=20somebody=20who=20is=20not=20WASP= =20(white=20 Anlgo=20Saxon=20Protestant.)=20=20After=209/11,=20some=20things=20weren't=20= so=20 good,=20such=20as=20thhe=20airline=20security.=20=20Even=20after=20that=20s= tupid=20guy=20 put=20a=20bomb=20in=20his=20underwear,=20there=20were=20more=20security=20i= ssues.=20=20 I'm=20probably=20not=20flying=20back=20to=20Florida=20after=20what=20my=20p= arents=20 did,=20which=20was=20get=20a=20security=20pass=20without=20boarding=20a=20p= lane,=20to=20 make=20sure=20I=20got=20home.=20=20The=20airlines=20have=20always=20been=20= a=20source=20of=20 contempt=20for=20all=20of=20us,=20so=20let's=20think=20not=20only=20about=20= the=20people=20 who=20died,=20but=20the=20repercussions=20that=20followed. Beth =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20all, =20We=20all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to=20address=20safety=20a= nd=20security.=20 But =20somehow,=20some=20way,=20those=20terrorists=20got=20through. =20We=20were=20attacked=20a=20decade=20ago. =20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class=20in=20high=20school=20when=20I=20heard= =20the=20news.=20 School=20was =20closed=20the=20next=20day.=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly=20where= =20the=20choir,=20 band,=20and =20other=20groups=20performed=20to=20commemorate=209/11. =20I=20hope=20that=20we=20all=20take=20a=20moment=20to=20reflect=20on=20it.= =20I=20will=20be=20 praying=20for =20our =20country=20and=20everyone=92s=20safety/security=20on=20the=20anniversary.= =20I=92m=20a=20Christian=20so=20I=20have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20grow= =20stronger=20as=20a=20 nation.=20If =20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one=20impacted=20by=20the=20attack,=20I=20hope=20= you=20recovered=20 somewhat =20from=20the=20tragedy. =20Some=20pray=20in=20churches,=20others=20are=20going=20to=20public=20memo= rials=20 today=20and =20still =20others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service=20to=20serve=20the=20country.=20= If=20you=20 are=20doing =20anything=20different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well=20for= =20you. =20Take=20care. =20Ashley =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail..com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 12 11:52:57 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 06:52:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley: That's a great post! I'm proud of my military heritage, so to hear this antiamerican rhetoric, is shocking. My grandfather faught in Korea, leaving my grandma, and 3 children, so that they wouldn't have to live on a military base. One of my great-uncles faught, and was wounded in Vietnam. Another uncle, was a part of the Arkansas National Guard, that assisted the Little Rock 9, as they entered Little Rock Central High. My uncle was in the Marines. If I could see, I'd be in the Marine Corps, instead of typing this for the list. Blessings, Joshua On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Carley, > Yes lives are lost due to American military actions. Whether fighting where > we do is right or wrong is a political comment so I will not > go there. But two wrongs do not make a right. The fact is we have terrorists > out there who want to destroy us even though we did not touch them. Remember > 911 was a peaceful calm day. Everyone was at work or school going about > their normal business. Then without warning, we had these morning attacks. > They attacked us and there was dying for no reason. They killed innocent > people. I was watching the news tonight and it highlighted the stories of > children, first responders, journalists and survivors. > For instance one lady is now going to college, but as a kid, she was > impacted. Her mother worked in the pentagon and died that day. She spoke > about having to grow up fast and take on more adult responsibilities. She > had to put her college degree on hold. Instead she got a job to help she and > her family out. She tried to be strong and hide her feelings as she became > the woman of the house to replace her mother. Now she goes to school online > and is a part time singer. > She still misses her mother, but tries to go on with life with her dad and > remaining family; after all, her mom would want that. > That is just one story-- one girl whose life was changed forever. Many kids > lost a parent in the attack; others lost their spouse. > Oh, and I know a blind employee who was there and had to evacuate from the > pentagon. He felt lost outside a different exit and it was a mob scene. > Someone assisted him outside to find the bus stop or something. I was glad > he got out safely. > > So that is something to think about. Of course you are entitled to your > opinion. But I hope we can aknowledge the suffering the country went through > as well as the innocent people who die every day here and abroad. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Carly > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:24 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > > Good afternoon, List, > > Just because Americans were the souls who > perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, > expected to change? Folks die daily usually at > the hands of American interests. Imagine the > scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM > 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. >>But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a >>decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. >>School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, >> >>band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all >>take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and >>everyone’s safety/security on the anniversary. I’m a Christian so I >>have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one >>impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. >>Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still >> >>others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing >>anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. >>Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >>unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From brlsurfer at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 14:01:16 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:01:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people will eventually understand our situation and not take away our canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB travelers we are. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail..com From brlsurfer at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 14:05:27 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:05:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box Message-ID: <4e6e11d2.8275e70a.5b8d.5710@mx.google.com> Sometimes, although I don't like it, the Braille-Note is SO SLOW at loading sites, and it takes forever. Thank you so much for the information, and I am going to try that site whenever I have a chance. Have a nice day. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" The=20attacks=20probably=20have=20nothing=20to=20do=20with=20the=20universe= =20 changing.=20=20The=20world=20is=20NOT=20ending=20in=202012.=20=20I=20heard= =20that=20they=20 found=20the=20other=20part=20of=20the=20Mayan=20calendar. Vejas =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I was on my college's Blackboard server, when this happened. I logged in, and it said, "Page has no links." Does this happen to you? Thanks, Joshua From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 14:48:36 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:48:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: try to use it threw internet explorer, i have issues with it threw mizilla On 9/12/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I was on my college's Blackboard server, when this happened. > I logged in, and it said, "Page has no links." > Does this happen to you? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 12 14:55:24 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:55:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm using IE. Blessings, Joshua On 9/12/11, Lea williams wrote: > try to use it threw internet explorer, i have issues with it threw mizilla > > On 9/12/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I was on my college's Blackboard server, when this happened. >> I logged in, and it said, "Page has no links." >> Does this happen to you? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 15:05:15 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:05:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joshua, The latest version, blackboard 9, is more accessible. Do you have that with your school? Blackboard is frustrating with its weird layout! Anyway, I got that message occasionally. It may be that the page did not load right; try refreshing your screen with key f 5. Next, just try the site at a later time, like 30 minutes later and see if it happens; sometimes it acts funny; maybe due to so many students using the server, not sure why. If you can't get it to work, call your school's help desk for ideas. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:45 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I was on my college's Blackboard server, when this happened. I logged in, and it said, "Page has no links." Does this happen to you? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 12 15:14:09 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:14:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It turns out, that the college is having Internet trouble. It should be resolved, by 11:30. Blessings, Joshua On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > The latest version, blackboard 9, is more accessible. Do you have that with > your school? > Blackboard is frustrating with its weird layout! Anyway, I got that message > occasionally. It may be that the page did not load right; try refreshing > your screen with key f 5. > Next, just try the site at a later time, like 30 minutes later and see if it > happens; sometimes it acts funny; maybe due to so many students using the > server, not sure why. If you can't get it to work, call your school's help > desk for ideas. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:45 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I was on my college's Blackboard server, when this happened. > I logged in, and it said, "Page has no links." > Does this happen to you? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 15:25:25 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:25:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: that is good news. Sometimes that happened when I was in school too. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:14 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? It turns out, that the college is having Internet trouble. It should be resolved, by 11:30. Blessings, Joshua On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > The latest version, blackboard 9, is more accessible. Do you have that > with > your school? > Blackboard is frustrating with its weird layout! Anyway, I got that > message > occasionally. It may be that the page did not load right; try refreshing > your screen with key f 5. > Next, just try the site at a later time, like 30 minutes later and see if > it > happens; sometimes it acts funny; maybe due to so many students using the > server, not sure why. If you can't get it to work, call your school's help > desk for ideas. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:45 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I was on my college's Blackboard server, when this happened. > I logged in, and it said, "Page has no links." > Does this happen to you? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 12 15:29:42 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:29:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does your community college use compressed video? I've discussed this on other threads. The reason I need to check Blackboard, is because that instructor puts his quizzes there. Blessings, Joshua On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > that is good news. Sometimes that happened when I was in school too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:14 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? > > It turns out, that the college is having Internet trouble. > It should be resolved, by 11:30. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Joshua, >> The latest version, blackboard 9, is more accessible. Do you have that >> with >> your school? >> Blackboard is frustrating with its weird layout! Anyway, I got that >> message >> occasionally. It may be that the page did not load right; try refreshing >> your screen with key f 5. >> Next, just try the site at a later time, like 30 minutes later and see if >> it >> happens; sometimes it acts funny; maybe due to so many students using the >> server, not sure why. If you can't get it to work, call your school's help >> desk for ideas. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:45 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I was on my college's Blackboard server, when this happened. >> I logged in, and it said, "Page has no links." >> Does this happen to you? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 12 15:34:37 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:34:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks References: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <006601cc7161$7afab980$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Vejas and everyone, Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the situation with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to grow changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of private air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services compared to that we've received from the airlines over the years. For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: http://www.socialflights.com While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web site is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. It's heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook Account and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a higher level! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "vejas" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Although independence is important, I still think our safety is more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people will eventually understand our situation and not take away our canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB travelers we are. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail..com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 12 15:39:41 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:39:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <006601cc7161$7afab980$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com> <006601cc7161$7afab980$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Do they have services, in Arkansas? Thanks, Joshua On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Vejas and everyone, > > Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There > are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on > chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the situation > with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to grow > changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of private > air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we > could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services compared > to that we've received from the airlines over the years. > For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are > very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A > recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: > http://www.socialflights.com > > While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web site > is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. It's > heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook Account > and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social > Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a higher > level! > > Peter Donahue > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vejas" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Although independence is important, I still think our safety is > more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people > will eventually understand our situation and not take away our > canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB > travelers we are. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after > 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. > With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' > bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of > people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had > to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't > particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they > might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white > Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so > good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy > put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. > I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents > did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to > make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of > contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people > who died, but the repercussions that followed. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Thanks Josh, > I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be > active. > Vote for whom you believe will > make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and > security is > an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a > student > this semester, but will go back for continuing education next > semester at > nova, community college. > > I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police > office if you > haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and > meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount > university, just > had security officers. > Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with > friends back > to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such > a > service. > At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter > the dorm; > this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially > at > night. > If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to > a > friend's > home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go > somewhere safe. > Safety is a big priority. > > Okay, that's my tips for now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Ashley: > Great post! > This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind > students, are probably heading back to college, after being on > vacation. > This security issue is important. > May God bless America. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. > But > somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. > We were attacked a decade ago. > I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. > School was > closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the > choir, > band, and > other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. > I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be > praying for > our > country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. > I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a > nation. If > you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered > somewhat > from the tragedy. > > Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials > today and > still > others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you > are doing > anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. > > Take care. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink..net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail..com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 15:50:43 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:50:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F812E9F43884D8EAB6006AEA518C6AF@OwnerPC> No we don't and I don't think quizzes are very accessible. I didn't use BB for my online quizzes. I got a reader. Made it so much faster than trying to mess with jaws and select the right answer which was a radio button. You might want to use a reader for quizzes. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:29 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? Does your community college use compressed video? I've discussed this on other threads. The reason I need to check Blackboard, is because that instructor puts his quizzes there. Blessings, Joshua On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > that is good news. Sometimes that happened when I was in school too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:14 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? > > It turns out, that the college is having Internet trouble. > It should be resolved, by 11:30. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Joshua, >> The latest version, blackboard 9, is more accessible. Do you have that >> with >> your school? >> Blackboard is frustrating with its weird layout! Anyway, I got that >> message >> occasionally. It may be that the page did not load right; try refreshing >> your screen with key f 5. >> Next, just try the site at a later time, like 30 minutes later and see if >> it >> happens; sometimes it acts funny; maybe due to so many students using the >> server, not sure why. If you can't get it to work, call your school's >> help >> desk for ideas. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:45 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I was on my college's Blackboard server, when this happened. >> I logged in, and it said, "Page has no links." >> Does this happen to you? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 12 15:58:04 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:58:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks References: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com><006601cc7161$7afab980$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <000b01cc7164$c1e57350$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Joshua and everyone, Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being offered. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Do they have services, in Arkansas? Thanks, Joshua On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Vejas and everyone, > > Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There > are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on > chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the > situation > with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to > grow > changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of > private > air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we > could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services compared > to that we've received from the airlines over the years. > For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are > very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A > recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: > http://www.socialflights.com > > While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web > site > is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. > It's > heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook Account > and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social > Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a higher > level! > > Peter Donahue > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vejas" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Although independence is important, I still think our safety is > more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people > will eventually understand our situation and not take away our > canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB > travelers we are. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after > 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. > With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' > bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of > people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had > to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't > particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they > might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white > Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so > good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy > put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. > I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents > did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to > make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of > contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people > who died, but the repercussions that followed. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Thanks Josh, > I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be > active. > Vote for whom you believe will > make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and > security is > an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a > student > this semester, but will go back for continuing education next > semester at > nova, community college. > > I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police > office if you > haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and > meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount > university, just > had security officers. > Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with > friends back > to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such > a > service. > At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter > the dorm; > this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially > at > night. > If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to > a > friend's > home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go > somewhere safe. > Safety is a big priority. > > Okay, that's my tips for now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Ashley: > Great post! > This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind > students, are probably heading back to college, after being on > vacation. > This security issue is important. > May God bless America. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. > But > somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. > We were attacked a decade ago. > I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. > School was > closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the > choir, > band, and > other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. > I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be > praying for > our > country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. > I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a > nation. If > you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered > somewhat > from the tragedy. > > Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials > today and > still > others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you > are doing > anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. > > Take care. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink..net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail..com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 17:04:45 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:04:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Rebirth Of An Online Radio Station Takes Place Tonight And You're Invited Message-ID: <64AB25274478412AA39EA692F2A78818@AudioShockWave> Greetings All! As many of you know, I've been running an online radio station since June called AudioAccessRadio. However, a few of us felt we could upgrade our radio concept a little, so after being behind closed doors for the weekend, we're ready to roll out the emerging and soon to be born AudioAccessFM! And the fun begins tonight! Starting at 7 PM eastern, you can go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com click on the link to listen, and be part of our rebirth's starting lineup. Kicking off the rebirth is Pop Tops With Dennis. This show takes you on a saphari through pop history by focusing on songs that made it to top ten or better on billboard, and each song has a common theme to it on each of the shows. The theme for tonight will be Sunshine. Then at 8 PM eastern, The Djd Invasion takes over the microphone with An interview with a musician named Blessing Offor A wide range of tunes to make you smile including your requests The chance for you to win either a 20 dollar amazon gift card or to play for 50 dollars, follow audioaccessfm on twitter for more details We'll also introduce you to some of the new talent that has joined our team! Things look very bright and hopeful for our future! Participation is easy during my show. I can be reached by aol or msn messenger at the address live at audioaccessfm.com via twitter at audioaccessfm via skype at audio.accessfm or by email at djd at audioaccessfm.com I'm very excited about the radio station's rebirth, and I hope to share it with you. So, whether you're wanting to hear Pop Tops, my show only at 8 PM eastern, or both, save this email, and at any time between 7 PM and either 190 or 11 eastern, visit http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php to tune in! I hope to see you all there! Best wishes, David Dunphy From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 17:30:27 2011 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <000b01cc7164$c1e57350$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com> <006601cc7161$7afab980$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <000b01cc7164$c1e57350$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind people's canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I have had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I know there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's the difference between having the right to be independent and travel with a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some other group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction will attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has done, everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just be taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric but I can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... Thanks. On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the > airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will > determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being offered. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Do they have services, in Arkansas? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Vejas and everyone, >> >> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There >> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on >> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the >> situation >> with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to >> grow >> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of >> private >> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we >> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services compared >> to that we've received from the airlines over the years. >> For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are >> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A >> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: >> http://www.socialflights.com >> >> While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web >> site >> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. >> It's >> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook Account >> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social >> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a higher >> level! >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "vejas" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> >> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is >> more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people >> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our >> canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB >> travelers we are. >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after >> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. >> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' >> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of >> people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had >> to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't >> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they >> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white >> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so >> good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy >> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. >> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents >> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to >> make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of >> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people >> who died, but the repercussions that followed. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Thanks Josh, >> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be >> active. >> Vote for whom you believe will >> make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and >> security is >> an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a >> student >> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next >> semester at >> nova, community college. >> >> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police >> office if you >> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and >> meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount >> university, just >> had security officers. >> Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with >> friends back >> to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such >> a >> service. >> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter >> the dorm; >> this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially >> at >> night. >> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to >> a >> friend's >> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go >> somewhere safe. >> Safety is a big priority. >> >> Okay, that's my tips for now. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Ashley: >> Great post! >> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind >> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on >> vacation. >> This security issue is important. >> May God bless America. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. >> But >> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >> We were attacked a decade ago. >> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. >> School was >> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the >> choir, >> band, and >> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be >> praying for >> our >> country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. >> I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a >> nation. If >> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered >> somewhat >> from the tragedy. >> >> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials >> today and >> still >> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you >> are doing >> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >> >> Take care. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink..net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail..com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. 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From fowlers at syix.com Mon Sep 12 18:26:52 2011 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:26:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason Message-ID: <13535880DD2D4FBF8F6FB07E6A9198EF@AngelaPC> Hello folks, First let me say that, though flight attendants have tried to take my cane and put it up, I have only to firmly but politely tell them that we always have our canes with us, and demonstrate how easy it is to lay it along the side of the plane by the window, no danger nor inconvenience to anyone. They never give me any trouble beyond that point. Second, the issues surrounding 9/11 are controversial at best, and arguing about them at this point will do nothing to further our common cause which is, need I remind folks, changing what it means to be blind for all blind people. I have seen this discussion degenerate into liberal verses conservative mud slinging, and feel that it has become anti-productive. Please folks, let's stop fighting over things we can't at this point change, and focus on the things we can. Angela From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 12 18:47:30 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:47:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly References: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com><006601cc7161$7afab980$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><000b01cc7164$c1e57350$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <004901cc717c$6d7db4e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good afternoon everyone, Without trying to add anything to this thread you are replying to a response that has nothing to do with 9/11. Rather it's our ability to choose how we will fly be it on a scheduled airline or via private air charter. If you're both blind and large like I am these days that's a very real decision some of us must make. Again this has nothing to do what soever to do with 9/11 but the right to decide how we as blind people choose to fly. Please pay more attention to the message subject line in the future. It would also help if people would be more vidulent about fitting their message subject lines to the topic being discussed. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer M. Jaber, IC³" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind people's canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I have had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I know there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's the difference between having the right to be independent and travel with a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some other group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction will attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has done, everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just be taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric but I can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... Thanks. On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the > airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will > determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being > offered. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Do they have services, in Arkansas? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Vejas and everyone, >> >> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There >> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on >> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the >> situation >> with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to >> grow >> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of >> private >> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we >> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services >> compared >> to that we've received from the airlines over the years. >> For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are >> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A >> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: >> http://www.socialflights.com >> >> While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web >> site >> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. >> It's >> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook >> Account >> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social >> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a >> higher >> level! >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "vejas" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> >> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is >> more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people >> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our >> canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB >> travelers we are. >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after >> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. >> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' >> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of >> people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had >> to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't >> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they >> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white >> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so >> good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy >> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. >> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents >> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to >> make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of >> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people >> who died, but the repercussions that followed. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Thanks Josh, >> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be >> active. >> Vote for whom you believe will >> make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and >> security is >> an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a >> student >> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next >> semester at >> nova, community college. >> >> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police >> office if you >> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and >> meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount >> university, just >> had security officers. >> Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with >> friends back >> to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such >> a >> service. >> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter >> the dorm; >> this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially >> at >> night. >> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to >> a >> friend's >> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go >> somewhere safe. >> Safety is a big priority. >> >> Okay, that's my tips for now. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Ashley: >> Great post! >> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind >> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on >> vacation. >> This security issue is important. >> May God bless America. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. >> But >> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >> We were attacked a decade ago. >> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. >> School was >> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the >> choir, >> band, and >> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be >> praying for >> our >> country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. >> I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a >> nation. If >> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered >> somewhat >> from the tragedy. >> >> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials >> today and >> still >> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you >> are doing >> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >> >> Take care. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink..net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail..com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. 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Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From JHartle at nfb.org Mon Sep 12 19:09:59 2011 From: JHartle at nfb.org (Hartle, Jesse) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:09:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly In-Reply-To: <004901cc717c$6d7db4e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com><006601cc7161$7afab980$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><000b01cc7164$c1e57350$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <004901cc717c$6d7db4e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <8AFFB8D1E8D6904090DF5B33AABB802506EDA01DB4@VA3DIAXVS661.RED001.local> Actually the subject of the thread the individual replied to was titled reflecting on the attacks. So, the person was staying on the stated topic, and therefore it was your first post that was not staying on thread. That being said, I don't think the debate on 911 belongs on this list. Jesse -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:48 PM To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly Good afternoon everyone, Without trying to add anything to this thread you are replying to a response that has nothing to do with 9/11. Rather it's our ability to choose how we will fly be it on a scheduled airline or via private air charter. If you're both blind and large like I am these days that's a very real decision some of us must make. Again this has nothing to do what soever to do with 9/11 but the right to decide how we as blind people choose to fly. Please pay more attention to the message subject line in the future. It would also help if people would be more vidulent about fitting their message subject lines to the topic being discussed. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer M. Jaber, IC³" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind people's canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I have had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I know there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's the difference between having the right to be independent and travel with a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some other group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction will attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has done, everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just be taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric but I can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... Thanks. On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the > airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will > determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being > offered. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Do they have services, in Arkansas? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Vejas and everyone, >> >> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There >> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on >> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the >> situation >> with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to >> grow >> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of >> private >> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we >> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services >> compared >> to that we've received from the airlines over the years. >> For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are >> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A >> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: >> http://www.socialflights.com >> >> While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web >> site >> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. >> It's >> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook >> Account >> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social >> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a >> higher >> level! >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "vejas" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> >> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is >> more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people >> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our >> canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB >> travelers we are. >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after >> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. >> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' >> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of >> people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had >> to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't >> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they >> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white >> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so >> good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy >> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. >> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents >> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to >> make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of >> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people >> who died, but the repercussions that followed. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Thanks Josh, >> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be >> active. >> Vote for whom you believe will >> make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and >> security is >> an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a >> student >> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next >> semester at >> nova, community college. >> >> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police >> office if you >> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and >> meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount >> university, just >> had security officers. >> Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with >> friends back >> to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such >> a >> service. >> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter >> the dorm; >> this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially >> at >> night. >> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to >> a >> friend's >> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go >> somewhere safe. >> Safety is a big priority. >> >> Okay, that's my tips for now. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Ashley: >> Great post! >> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind >> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on >> vacation. >> This security issue is important. >> May God bless America. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. >> But >> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >> We were attacked a decade ago. >> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. >> School was >> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the >> choir, >> band, and >> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be >> praying for >> our >> country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. >> I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a >> nation. If >> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered >> somewhat >> from the tragedy. >> >> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials >> today and >> still >> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you >> are doing >> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >> >> Take care. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink..net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail..com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhartle%40nfb.org From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 12 19:23:50 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:23:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? In-Reply-To: <6F812E9F43884D8EAB6006AEA518C6AF@OwnerPC> References: <6F812E9F43884D8EAB6006AEA518C6AF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I haven't had any trouble, with the quizzes. This Blackboard 9 is accessible. Blessings, Joshua On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > No we don't and I don't think quizzes are very accessible. I didn't use BB > for my online quizzes. I got a reader. Made it so much faster than trying to > mess with jaws and select the right answer which was a radio button. You > might want to use a reader for quizzes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:29 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? > > Does your community college use compressed video? > I've discussed this on other threads. > The reason I need to check Blackboard, is because that instructor puts > his quizzes there. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> that is good news. Sometimes that happened when I was in school too. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:14 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? >> >> It turns out, that the college is having Internet trouble. >> It should be resolved, by 11:30. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> The latest version, blackboard 9, is more accessible. Do you have that >>> with >>> your school? >>> Blackboard is frustrating with its weird layout! Anyway, I got that >>> message >>> occasionally. It may be that the page did not load right; try refreshing >>> your screen with key f 5. >>> Next, just try the site at a later time, like 30 minutes later and see if >>> it >>> happens; sometimes it acts funny; maybe due to so many students using the >>> server, not sure why. If you can't get it to work, call your school's >>> help >>> desk for ideas. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:45 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else having problems with Blackboard? >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I was on my college's Blackboard server, when this happened. >>> I logged in, and it said, "Page has no links." >>> Does this happen to you? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 19:29:20 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:29:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6e5da9.4401440a.6364.66fa@mx.google.com> That's awesome. I'd love to try a charter air company at some point. Those airlines have been bad anyway, and I can name about ten or more degrading cases for blind passengers. Julie Deden from CCB wrote some pretty disturbing stuff in the newsletter about the airline they tok to and from convention this past summer, which thankfully I didn't go. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail..com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 19:29:26 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:29:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason Message-ID: <4e6e5daf.4401440a.6364.6703@mx.google.com> Right. ONe point. I don't think ll terrorists are Muslim and not all Muslims are Terrorists. It's like this, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Fowler" References: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com><006601cc7161$7afab980$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><000b01cc7164$c1e57350$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <004901cc717c$6d7db4e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <161575979F9B41C0BC2372183C81DF4E@OwnerPC> Peter, Flying privately sounds like a good alternative. With increased security, it’s a hastle to put everything through the machine and retrieve it. Also you have inaccessible kiosks and inaccessible websites. I actually haven't flown alone, but hearing all the stories of flying makes me a bit nervous. Its stressful enough to go through a busy airport, I don't want to have to advocate for the right to use my cane through out the airport instead of being in a wheelchair or the right to keep my cane on the plane beside me. So do you charter alone for you and your family? Is it possible to buy a ticket on an existing charter plane just as you would with a big airline? Do you choose to go alone to the gate or do you get an escort from the airport? I think they're called skycaps. Also, is getting a chartered aircraft much more expensive than a one way ticket from coast to coast? I mean assuming you flew non stop. I want to air charter to Las Vegas! -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:47 PM To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly Good afternoon everyone, Without trying to add anything to this thread you are replying to a response that has nothing to do with 9/11. Rather it's our ability to choose how we will fly be it on a scheduled airline or via private air charter. If you're both blind and large like I am these days that's a very real decision some of us must make. Again this has nothing to do what soever to do with 9/11 but the right to decide how we as blind people choose to fly. Please pay more attention to the message subject line in the future. It would also help if people would be more vidulent about fitting their message subject lines to the topic being discussed. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer M. Jaber, IC³" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind people's canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I have had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I know there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's the difference between having the right to be independent and travel with a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some other group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction will attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has done, everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just be taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric but I can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... Thanks. On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the > airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will > determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being > offered. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Do they have services, in Arkansas? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Vejas and everyone, >> >> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There >> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on >> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the >> situation >> with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to >> grow >> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of >> private >> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we >> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services >> compared >> to that we've received from the airlines over the years. >> For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are >> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A >> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: >> http://www.socialflights.com >> >> While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web >> site >> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. >> It's >> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook >> Account >> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social >> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a >> higher >> level! >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "vejas" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> >> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is >> more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people >> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our >> canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB >> travelers we are. >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after >> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. >> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' >> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of >> people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had >> to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't >> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they >> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white >> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so >> good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy >> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. >> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents >> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to >> make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of >> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people >> who died, but the repercussions that followed. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Thanks Josh, >> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be >> active. >> Vote for whom you believe will >> make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and >> security is >> an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a >> student >> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next >> semester at >> nova, community college. >> >> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police >> office if you >> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and >> meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount >> university, just >> had security officers. >> Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with >> friends back >> to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such >> a >> service. >> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter >> the dorm; >> this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially >> at >> night. >> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to >> a >> friend's >> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go >> somewhere safe. >> Safety is a big priority. >> >> Okay, that's my tips for now. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Ashley: >> Great post! >> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind >> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on >> vacation. >> This security issue is important. >> May God bless America. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. >> But >> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >> We were attacked a decade ago. >> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. >> School was >> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the >> choir, >> band, and >> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be >> praying for >> our >> country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. >> I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a >> nation. If >> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered >> somewhat >> from the tragedy. >> >> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials >> today and >> still >> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you >> are doing >> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >> >> Take care. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink..net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail..com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 19:29:24 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:29:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6e5dac.4401440a.6364.6700@mx.google.com> Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims. I have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god knows how many times. My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore. The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their boots wet over my hair. Thanks. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: Hello Joshua and everyone, Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being offered. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hello Vejas and everyone, Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the situation with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to grow changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of private air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services compared to that we've received from the airlines over the years. For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: http://www.socialflights.com While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web site is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. It's heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook Account and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a higher level! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "vejas" wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail..com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 0gmail.com -- Nimer M. Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 19:40:01 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:40:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com> References: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Vejas, People are exaggerating. The air port screeners only take your cane to screen it in the x-ray machine. Then you get it back and are fine to go on. In the aircraft, explaining to the flight attendants will probably stop them from trying to take the cane. As for safety vs security, the presidents have done something right because we have not been attacked in a decade. I hope never again. -----Original Message----- From: vejas Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Although independence is important, I still think our safety is more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people will eventually understand our situation and not take away our canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB travelers we are. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail..com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 12 19:41:19 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:41:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing How to Fly References: <4e6e10d7.552fe70a.3f4b.2ccf@mx.google.com><006601cc7161$7afab980$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><000b01cc7164$c1e57350$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><004901cc717c$6d7db4e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <161575979F9B41C0BC2372183C81DF4E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <000b01cc7183$f2355e20$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Ashley, Let me send you a Social Flights invite so you can sign up for the service. It's free to join. There may also be a travel tribe in your area you can connect with as well. Here is where you can begin to answer some of your questions. All the best. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly Peter, Flying privately sounds like a good alternative. With increased security, it’s a hastle to put everything through the machine and retrieve it. Also you have inaccessible kiosks and inaccessible websites. I actually haven't flown alone, but hearing all the stories of flying makes me a bit nervous. Its stressful enough to go through a busy airport, I don't want to have to advocate for the right to use my cane through out the airport instead of being in a wheelchair or the right to keep my cane on the plane beside me. So do you charter alone for you and your family? Is it possible to buy a ticket on an existing charter plane just as you would with a big airline? Do you choose to go alone to the gate or do you get an escort from the airport? I think they're called skycaps. Also, is getting a chartered aircraft much more expensive than a one way ticket from coast to coast? I mean assuming you flew non stop. I want to air charter to Las Vegas! -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:47 PM To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly Good afternoon everyone, Without trying to add anything to this thread you are replying to a response that has nothing to do with 9/11. Rather it's our ability to choose how we will fly be it on a scheduled airline or via private air charter. If you're both blind and large like I am these days that's a very real decision some of us must make. Again this has nothing to do what soever to do with 9/11 but the right to decide how we as blind people choose to fly. Please pay more attention to the message subject line in the future. It would also help if people would be more vidulent about fitting their message subject lines to the topic being discussed. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer M. Jaber, IC³" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind people's canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I have had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I know there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's the difference between having the right to be independent and travel with a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some other group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction will attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has done, everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just be taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric but I can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... Thanks. On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the > airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will > determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being > offered. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Do they have services, in Arkansas? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Vejas and everyone, >> >> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There >> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on >> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the >> situation >> with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to >> grow >> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of >> private >> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we >> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services >> compared >> to that we've received from the airlines over the years. >> For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are >> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A >> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: >> http://www.socialflights.com >> >> While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web >> site >> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. >> It's >> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook >> Account >> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social >> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a >> higher >> level! >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "vejas" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> >> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is >> more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people >> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our >> canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB >> travelers we are. >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after >> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. >> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' >> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of >> people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had >> to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't >> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they >> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white >> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so >> good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy >> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. >> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents >> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to >> make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of >> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people >> who died, but the repercussions that followed. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Thanks Josh, >> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also be >> active. >> Vote for whom you believe will >> make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and >> security is >> an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not a >> student >> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next >> semester at >> nova, community college. >> >> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police >> office if you >> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, and >> meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount >> university, just >> had security officers. >> Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with >> friends back >> to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such >> a >> service. >> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to enter >> the dorm; >> this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially >> at >> night. >> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to >> a >> friend's >> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go >> somewhere safe. >> Safety is a big priority. >> >> Okay, that's my tips for now. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Ashley: >> Great post! >> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind >> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on >> vacation. >> This security issue is important. >> May God bless America. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. >> But >> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >> We were attacked a decade ago. >> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. >> School was >> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the >> choir, >> band, and >> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be >> praying for >> our >> country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. >> I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a >> nation. If >> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered >> somewhat >> from the tragedy. >> >> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials >> today and >> still >> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you >> are doing >> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >> >> Take care. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink..net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail..com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 19:42:41 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:42:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason In-Reply-To: <4e6e5daf.4401440a.6364.6703@mx.google.com> References: <4e6e5daf.4401440a.6364.6703@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Angela, You make a good point about the cane. When I flew SouthWest down to Florida last year, I took a folding cane, folded it, and stuck it in my backpack which was under the seat. Sure airport security nowadays is a pain, but you have to know that going into the thing. I can't tell you the number of times my folding cane has been examined by security guards. At this point, I just let them do their job. It's easier than trying to have a big discussion in front of others. Patrick On 9/12/11, Beth wrote: > Right. ONe point. I don't think ll terrorists are Muslim and > not all Muslims are Terrorists. It's like this, one man's > terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela Fowler" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:26:52 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason > > Hello folks, > First let me say that, though flight attendants have tried to > take my cane > and put it up, I have only to firmly but politely tell them that > we always > have our canes with us, and demonstrate how easy it is to lay it > along the > side of the plane by the window, no danger nor inconvenience to > anyone. They > never give me any trouble beyond that point. > Second, the issues surrounding 9/11 are controversial at > best, and > arguing about them at this point will do nothing to further our > common cause > which is, need I remind folks, changing what it means to be blind > for all > blind people. I have seen this discussion degenerate into liberal > verses > conservative mud slinging, and feel that it has become > anti-productive. > Please folks, let's stop fighting over things we can't at this > point change, > and focus on the things we can. > Angela > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 19:55:44 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:55:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason In-Reply-To: References: <4e6e5daf.4401440a.6364.6703@mx.google.com> Message-ID: They examine it? How? Do they unfold it and look inside? When I flew, and I only went once after 911, they simply x-rayed it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason Angela, You make a good point about the cane. When I flew SouthWest down to Florida last year, I took a folding cane, folded it, and stuck it in my backpack which was under the seat. Sure airport security nowadays is a pain, but you have to know that going into the thing. I can't tell you the number of times my folding cane has been examined by security guards. At this point, I just let them do their job. It's easier than trying to have a big discussion in front of others. Patrick On 9/12/11, Beth wrote: > Right. ONe point. I don't think ll terrorists are Muslim and > not all Muslims are Terrorists. It's like this, one man's > terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela Fowler" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:26:52 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason > > Hello folks, > First let me say that, though flight attendants have tried to > take my cane > and put it up, I have only to firmly but politely tell them that > we always > have our canes with us, and demonstrate how easy it is to lay it > along the > side of the plane by the window, no danger nor inconvenience to > anyone. They > never give me any trouble beyond that point. > Second, the issues surrounding 9/11 are controversial at > best, and > arguing about them at this point will do nothing to further our > common cause > which is, need I remind folks, changing what it means to be blind > for all > blind people. I have seen this discussion degenerate into liberal > verses > conservative mud slinging, and feel that it has become > anti-productive. > Please folks, let's stop fighting over things we can't at this > point change, > and focus on the things we can. > Angela > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 12 20:01:14 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:01:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <4e6e5dac.4401440a.6364.6700@mx.google.com> References: <4e6e5dac.4401440a.6364.6700@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <555DBB8B4BB04375A6B38BCE2E7A7F75@OwnerPC> Beth, What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several Muslims and if we stay away from religion, we are okay. Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know the outrage expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was taken to be x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and nothing was said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard the problems from other blind flyers expressed here. Security is a pain, but it’s a pain for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all possible. As Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the intrusive security screening. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims. I have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god knows how many times. My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore. The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their boots wet over my hair. Thanks. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: Hello Joshua and everyone, Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being offered. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hello Vejas and everyone, Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the situation with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to grow changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of private air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services compared to that we've received from the airlines over the years. For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: http://www.socialflights.com While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web site is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. It's heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook Account and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a higher level! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "vejas" wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail..com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 0gmail.com -- Nimer M. Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 20:03:02 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:03:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode Message-ID: <4e6e658d.51dee00a.5fa9.ffffccd0@mx.google.com> Hi Joshua, I agree about that, I was just saying you don't have to worry about me as far as sensorship goes. LOL! Back to BANA, (and I'd really like to get back to the original topic of this thread, which is BANA) you can join the BANA-ANNOUNCE list to get information by sending an email with "subscribe" in the subject to bana-annonuce-subscribe at brailleauthority.org. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: I agree, Carly! Let's just say it's bull crap! Josh, is that better for you? Oh wait... coming from "the child." Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Perhaps, our resident 8th grader is not alone in his immaturity? Did you not catch the substance of my letter, or were you too distracted by a word which, can be if it makes you and resident 8th grader more comfortable, expressed in terms of so much bovine scatology? Do these terms please you? I assert You are naive to believe that resident 8th grader is not routeenly exposed to some language? Besides, if we can stop fixating on one little summary of what the BANA is seeking to commit upon our beloved braille code, we might be able to effect, some change! Jesus Joshua grow up! :33 PM 9/10/2011, you wrote: Wow! The cursing is back! We have an eighth grader, on this list. Please keep the profanety down. Thanks, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: Carly, it's shameful. I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. Hopefully, I'll hear something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home References: <4e6e5daf.4401440a.6364.6703@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ashley, Well, it really depends upon the place where I am. I was in D.C. right after 9/11 and they x-rayed my cane. Same with when I flew last year. But sometimes they just fold it, see it's only a cane, and give it back to me. I always let them do this, because it's their job to check passengers. Why should I be treated any different than any other person? Although when the cane is x-rayed, it makes moving through security difficult. Fortunately, I've always been with people when I've flown, so they've been able to help. Patrick On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > They examine it? How? Do they unfold it and look inside? When I flew, and I > only went once after 911, they > simply x-rayed it. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Molloy > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:42 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason > > Angela, > You make a good point about the cane. When I flew SouthWest down to > Florida last year, I took a folding cane, folded it, and stuck it in > my backpack which was under the seat. Sure airport security nowadays > is a pain, but you have to know that going into the thing. I can't > tell you the number of times my folding cane has been examined by > security guards. At this point, I just let them do their job. It's > easier than trying to have a big discussion in front of others. > Patrick > > On 9/12/11, Beth wrote: >> Right. ONe point. I don't think ll terrorists are Muslim and >> not all Muslims are Terrorists. It's like this, one man's >> terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Angela Fowler" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:26:52 -0700 >> Subject: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason >> >> Hello folks, >> First let me say that, though flight attendants have tried to >> take my cane >> and put it up, I have only to firmly but politely tell them that >> we always >> have our canes with us, and demonstrate how easy it is to lay it >> along the >> side of the plane by the window, no danger nor inconvenience to >> anyone. They >> never give me any trouble beyond that point. >> Second, the issues surrounding 9/11 are controversial at >> best, and >> arguing about them at this point will do nothing to further our >> common cause >> which is, need I remind folks, changing what it means to be blind >> for all >> blind people. I have seen this discussion degenerate into liberal >> verses >> conservative mud slinging, and feel that it has become >> anti-productive. >> Please folks, let's stop fighting over things we can't at this >> point change, >> and focus on the things we can. >> Angela >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 20:08:08 2011 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:08:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: <555DBB8B4BB04375A6B38BCE2E7A7F75@OwnerPC> References: <4e6e5dac.4401440a.6364.6700@mx.google.com> <555DBB8B4BB04375A6B38BCE2E7A7F75@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Dear All: Having read the messages in this thread, I would like to point out that this discussion is inappropriate for this list. The NABS List is for the discussion of issues that affect blind students. That covers a wide range of things. However, although the initial message for this thread was well intentioned, the political and religious responses that have resulted from it are inappropriate and irrelevant to this list, and so should take place elsewhere. Respectfully, Mary Fernandez On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Beth, > What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several Muslims and if > we stay away from religion, we are okay. > Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know the outrage > expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was taken to be > x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and nothing was > said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard the problems > from other blind flyers expressed here. Security is a pain, but it’s a pain > for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all possible. As > Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the intrusive > security screening. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM > To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody > trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack > Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims. I > have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god > knows how many times. > My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any > tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim > veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore. > The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't > want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want > my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their > boots wet over my hair. Thanks. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind > people's > canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been > happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I > have > had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I > know > there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's > the > difference between having the right to be independent and travel > with > a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation > vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some > other > group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction > will > attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has > done, > everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just > be > taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric > but I > can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college > professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... > > Thanks. > > On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights > like the > airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area > that will > determine the availability of flights to where you need to go > being offered. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Do they have services, in Arkansas? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Vejas and everyone, > > Private air travel holds another alternative to using the > airlines. There > are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats > on > chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As > the > situation > with the airlines degrades even further these services are > expected to > grow > changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a > number of > private > air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible > that we > could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these > services compared > to that we've received from the airlines over the years. > For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web > Sites are > very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to > navigate. A > recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel > ventures is: > http://www.socialflights.com > > While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process > their Web > site > is very accessible and contains lots of information about this > company. > It's > heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a > Facebook Account > and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in > to Social > Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind > to a higher > level! > > Peter Donahue > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vejas" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Although independence is important, I still think our safety is > more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people > will eventually understand our situation and not take away our > canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB > travelers we are. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after > 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. > With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' > bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of > people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had > to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't > particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they > might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white > Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so > good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy > put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. > I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents > did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to > make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of > contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people > who died, but the repercussions that followed. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Thanks Josh, > I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also > be > active. > Vote for whom you believe will > make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and > security is > an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not > a > student > this semester, but will go back for continuing education next > semester at > nova, community college. > > I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police > office if you > haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, > and > meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount > university, just > had security officers. > Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with > friends back > to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such > a > service. > At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to > enter > the dorm; > this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially > at > night. > If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to > a > friend's > home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go > somewhere safe. > Safety is a big priority. > > Okay, that's my tips for now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Ashley: > Great post! > This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind > students, are probably heading back to college, after being on > vacation. > This security issue is important. > May God bless America. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > We all have varying views on how to address safety and > security. > But > somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. > We were attacked a decade ago. > I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. > School was > closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the > choir, > band, and > other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. > I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be > praying for > our > country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. > I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a > nation. If > you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you > recovered > somewhat > from the tragedy. > > Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials > today and > still > others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you > are doing > anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. > > Take care. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink..net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail..com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s > atx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s > atx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 > 0gmail.com > > > > -- > Nimer M. 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Terry Pratchett From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 20:20:04 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:20:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6e698d.0320440a.4b34.fffff0dc@mx.google.com> I'm=20just=20your=20all-American=20hot=20dog,=20thank=20you=20very=20much.= =20=20I'm=20 white=20as=20a=20marshmallow,=20but=20I=20chose=20Islam=20for=20both=20poli= tical,=20 religious,=20and=20...=20well,=20for=20political,=20religious,=20and=20fami= ly=20 reasons.=20=20I=20was=20led=20to=20Islam=20by=20a=20friend.=20=20That's=20a= ll=20I'm=20gona=20 say.=20=20They=20took=20my=20cane=20to=20bbe=20examined,=20but=20they=20als= o=20had=20to=20pat=20 down=20my=20head.=20=20No=20thrills,=20o=20my=20unmentionables=20weren't=20= touched,=20 but=20there=20are=20songs=20about=20that.=20=20Remember=20when=20someone=20= went=20weird=20 and=20sent=20song=20lyrics=20to=20the=20list?=20=20I=20think=20there=20was= =20something=20on=20 the=20Florida=20list=20actually,=20and=20someone=20sent=20Grandma=20got=20M= olested=20 at=20The=20Airport=20to=20one=20of=20the=20lists.=20=20I=20think=20it=20had= =20been=20the=20 Florida=20list=20some=20years=20back.=20=20Some=20song,=20it=20ws=20just=20= right=20for=20 the=20time. Beth =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20=20wrote: Hello=20Joshua=20and=20everyone, Yes.=20Keep=20in=20mind=20however=20that=20these=20are=20not=20scheduled=20= flights like=20the airlines.=20As=20air=20charter=20clients=20have=20needs=20to=20fly=20to=20y= our=20area that=20will determine=20the=20availability=20of=20flights=20to=20where=20you=20need=20t= o=20go being=20offered. Peter=20Donahue -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Joshua=20Lester"=20=20wrote: Hello=20Vejas=20and=20everyone, Private=20air=20travel=20holds=20another=20alternative=20to=20using=20the airlines.=20There are=20a=20number=20of=20private=20air=20charter=20services=20that=20sell=20= you=20seats on chartered=20aircraft=20at=20about=20the=20cost=20of=20an=20airline=20ticket= .=20As the situation with=20the=20airlines=20degrades=20even=20further=20these=20services=20are expected=20to grow changing=20how=20we=20fly=20in=20the=20future.=20From=20having=20talked=20t= o=20a number=20of private air=20charter=20companies=20and=20air=20charter=20brokers=20it's=20very=20p= ossible that=20we could=20find=20ourselves=20receiving=20better=20treatment=20by=20these services=20compared to=20that=20we've=20received=20from=20the=20airlines=20over=20the=20years. =20=20=20=20=20For=20starters=20the=20vast=20majority=20of=20air=20charter= =20company=20=20Web Sites=20=20are very=20accessible=20with=20screen=20reading=20software=20and=20are=20easy=20= to navigate.=20A recent=20entry=20in=20to=20the=20world=20of=20per-seat=20private=20air=20tr= avel ventures=20is: http://www.socialflights.com =20=20=20=20=20While=20you=20need=20to=20get=20by=20a=20captcha=20in=20the= =20signup=20process their=20Web site is=20very=20accessible=20and=20contains=20lots=20of=20information=20about=20= this company. It's heavily=20integrated=20with=20Facebook=20so=20you'll=20need=20to=20have=20a= Facebook=20Account and=20will=20need=20to=20be=20logged=20in=20before=20registering=20and=20lo= gging=20in to=20Social Flights.=20Check=20them=20out=20and=20let's=20take=20air=20travel=20by=20th= e=20blind to=20a=20higher level! Peter=20Donahue -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"vejas"=20=20wrote: =20=20Hi=20all, =20=20We=20all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to=20address=20safety= =20and security. But =20=20somehow,=20some=20way,=20those=20terrorists=20got=20through. =20=20We=20were=20attacked=20a=20decade=20ago. =20=20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class=20in=20high=20school=20when=20I=20hea= rd=20the=20news. School=20was =20=20closed=20the=20next=20day.=20=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly=20= where=20the choir, band,=20and =20=20other=20groups=20performed=20to=20commemorate=209/11. =20=20I=20hope=20that=20we=20all=20take=20a=20moment=20to=20reflect=20on=20= it.=20=20I=20will=20be praying=20for =20=20our =20=20country=20and=20everyone?=20safety/security=20on=20the=20anniversary.= =20=20I?=20a=20Christian=20so=20I=20have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20grow= =20stronger=20as=20a nation.=20=20If =20=20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one=20impacted=20by=20the=20attack,=20I=20hop= e=20you recovered somewhat =20=20from=20the=20tragedy. =20=20Some=20pray=20in=20churches,=20others=20are=20going=20to=20public=20m= emorials today=20and =20=20still =20=20others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service=20to=20serve=20the=20country= .=20=20If=20you are=20doing =20=20anything=20different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well=20= for=20you. =20=20Take=20care. =20=20Ashley =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= =20account info=20for =20=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail..com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info=20for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info=20for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info=20for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info=20for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 0gmail.com -- Nimer=20M.=20Jaber The=20message=20above=20is=20intended=20for=20the=20recipient=20to=20whom=20= it=20was sent. 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It makes going through slower. Also, for those with coverings, they are patt down. You were not treated any differently. I'm careful not to set off the detector as I do not want a pat down. I identify with whites as I was raised by them, but actually I'm hispanic; I'm adopted. Anyway, it would be humiliating if there was a pat down. I guess Peter's idea of air charter looks more and more appealing. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks I'm just your all-American hot dog, thank you very much. I'm white as a marshmallow, but I chose Islam for both political, religious, and ... well, for political, religious, and family reasons. I was led to Islam by a friend. That's all I'm gona say. They took my cane to bbe examined, but they also had to pat down my head. No thrills, o my unmentionables weren't touched, but there are songs about that. Remember when someone went weird and sent song lyrics to the list? I think there was something on the Florida list actually, and someone sent Grandma got Molested at The Airport to one of the lists. I think it had been the Florida list some years back. Some song, it ws just right for the time. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Hello Joshua and everyone, Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being offered. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hello Vejas and everyone, Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the situation with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to grow changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of private air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services compared to that we've received from the airlines over the years. For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: http://www.socialflights.com While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web site is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. It's heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook Account and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a higher level! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "vejas" wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. 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I'd suggest that you air your suggestion and other concerns about abolishing the Nemeth code to the BANA chairperson, Judy Dixon, at the contact information I provided last night. You should have gotten it, as it was posted to the NABS list, although it bounced back at me from your email provider, saying that it wasn't able to be delivered for some reason. But since you're on the list, you should get it if you didn't already. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi Steve, I understand that. Maybe Sharon would be helpfull in writing the resolution, which is why I gave her email to Joshua. Joshua, because the convention isn't until next summer, if you feel strongly enough to do this, I would either email Dr. Maurer at officeofthepresident at nfb.org or write a Braille letter and send it to the national center, attention Marc Maurer. Or you can skip the NFB altogether, and see if you can find a way to send your feedback directly to BANA. Just my thoughts! Chris On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: Chris, I know Sharon, and I am certain she would be of help. What I was trying to explain is that it isn't the resolution's committees jobs in general to write resolutions, but rather to work with resolutions that have already been written. People who feel strongly about an issue need to find others and work together to write a resolution. My point in mentioning next summer is this. The reason this has come up now is because a message was posted on one of our lists. BANA and other braille bodies throughout the world have been wrestling with this problem for a decade or two now. It could be that some things might well change by next convention so writing a resolution now for next summer just doesn't make much sense. Writing a resolution next spring with facts and concerns that are current as of that time makes more sense. The discussion here is occurring as if something is going to happen within days, and that's not the case. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:34:21 -0400, chris nusbaum wrote: Hi Ashley and everyone, For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments, Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer, but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee. Chris On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who should not pick up bad language from this list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many kid's parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they were learning profanity from a list. Now to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press release? What do they wish to replace it with? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode Hi Joshua, I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection from profanity anymore... Lord knows I hear it from my parents! * Smiles! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, Joshua, That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there not being significant capital, behind this braille unification bullshit... We might accept a fact that we might be, nice and outnumbered, in this. . The locals seem to really dig mediocrity. I guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do. 06 PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: Carly, it's shameful. I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee. Hopefully, I'll hear something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Carly wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <71ECC7CFD9E047E3ADCD12E20F20CB72@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <001601cc7192$a5923c50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello again everyone, With all of the interest in flying and air charter I'd like to suggest that this discussion be moved to the Travel and Tourism List. If anyone is considering a career in Travel and Hospitality and wants to talk to blind persons all ready successful in this industry that would be the list to discuss such topics. You can join by sending an e-mail message to: nfb-travel-request at nfbnet.org In the subject field type "Subscribe" and reply to the confirmation message to activate your subscription. You can also subscribe to the Travel and Tourism List by visiting: http://www.nfbnet.org and going to: "Join or Drop NFB Mailing Lists." By the way I just posted our flight intentions for our trip to Dallas and back for the 2012 national convention on the Social Flights Web Site. Once other persons indicate interest we can book the flight. Each person traveling is billed for their portion of the cost. The actual rate depends on the charter operator, the type of aircraft used, time of year, and other considerations. Is there anyone here planning to enter the aviation field in some fashion? This is another possible career option for blind students to consider. They don't just hire pilots. Peter Donahue Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] flying reflecting on the attacks Beth, They scan everyone's cane. It makes going through slower. Also, for those with coverings, they are patt down. You were not treated any differently. I'm careful not to set off the detector as I do not want a pat down. I identify with whites as I was raised by them, but actually I'm hispanic; I'm adopted. Anyway, it would be humiliating if there was a pat down. I guess Peter's idea of air charter looks more and more appealing. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks I'm just your all-American hot dog, thank you very much. I'm white as a marshmallow, but I chose Islam for both political, religious, and ... well, for political, religious, and family reasons. I was led to Islam by a friend. That's all I'm gona say. They took my cane to bbe examined, but they also had to pat down my head. No thrills, o my unmentionables weren't touched, but there are songs about that. Remember when someone went weird and sent song lyrics to the list? I think there was something on the Florida list actually, and someone sent Grandma got Molested at The Airport to one of the lists. I think it had been the Florida list some years back. Some song, it ws just right for the time. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Hello Joshua and everyone, Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being offered. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hello Vejas and everyone, Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As the situation with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to grow changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of private air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services compared to that we've received from the airlines over the years. For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: http://www.socialflights.com While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web site is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. It's heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook Account and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a higher level! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "vejas" wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. 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It's the new unified code that Dr. Nemeth developed for both literary and math Braille, and that we have learned since 1972. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Gregory wrote: Hi, Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. First, one doesn't just complain to the chair of the resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, resolutions won't be considered until next summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow the BANA deliberations on some of this and things just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like it or not, print has been and is changing very quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to keep up. Something has to happen to let us expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to seemlessly weave in the kinds of technical writing that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. Whether a separate code for mathematics needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is still an open question, as far as I know. Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees limitations in the current code and has created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant change from the current code. I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just keep our cool a little. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me know. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here in the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a unified braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and constructions." Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action now. Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia which have larger populations of braille users? Sincerely, SusanJ ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso n%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso n%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 21:30:02 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:30:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishingtheNemethbraillecode Message-ID: <4e6e79f1.c8b0e00a.0e9e.53f8@mx.google.com> Can you send that as an attachment instead of pasted in an email? Thanks! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: Hi, Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. First, one doesn't just complain to the chair of the resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, resolutions won't be considered until next summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow the BANA deliberations on some of this and things just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like it or not, print has been and is changing very quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to keep up. Something has to happen to let us expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to seemlessly weave in the kinds of technical writing that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. Whether a separate code for mathematics needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is still an open question, as far as I know. Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees limitations in the current code and has created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant change from the current code. I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just keep our cool a little. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me know. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here in the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a unified braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and constructions." Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action now. Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia which have larger populations of braille users? Sincerely, SusanJ ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso n%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso n%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 23:51:25 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:51:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still consideringabolishingtheNemethbraillecode Message-ID: <4e6e9b15.1242340a.7765.2bd3@mx.google.com> Hi Ashley, Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the English-speaking European countries either use UEB (the Unified English Braille code) or their countries Braille code, like UK or Australian. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Please note that this is from over two years ago, so some things may have changed.PRESS RELEASE March, 2009 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Judith Dixon, Chairperson Braille Authority of North America PHONE: 1-202-707-0722 E-MAIL: jdix at loc.gov Braille Authority of North America To Evaluate Nemeth Uniform Braille System The Braille Authority of North America announced today that it is making plans for the evaluation of the recently completed Nemeth Uniform Braille System (NUBS). According to its developer, Dr. Abraham Nemeth, NUBS is an updated version of the Nemeth code, which has been in use since 1972. The new system has been in development for ten years and is capable of rendering both literary and technical texts. "BANA deliberates very carefully before making even small changes to braille," said Judith Dixon, BANA chairperson. "We want to ensure that braille readers have access to the same information as do their print-reading counterparts in this age in which the norms for printed material are evolving rapidly. However, it is essential that we understand the impact of any changes on readability, writeability, space considerations, familiarity to current braille readers, etc. The benefits of making any change must be shown to outweigh the drawbacks." The timeline and other details of the evaluation process are still being determined. The evaluation will involve the input of all stakeholders, and information on how those interested can provide input will be made available soon. To view the completed code, or to read documents explaining the code, visit http://www.braille2000.com/brl2000/nubs.htm The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America are to assure literacy for tactile readers through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes and facilitates the use, teaching and production of braille. It publishes rules, interprets and renders opinions pertaining to braille in all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence or to be developed in the future, in collaboration with other countries using English braille. In exercising its function and authority, BANA considers the effects of its decisions on other existing braille codes and formats; the ease of production by various methods; and acceptability to readers. For additional resource information, visit www.brailleauthority.org. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: Hi, Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this. First, one doesn't just complain to the chair of the resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second, resolutions won't be considered until next summer so there is time to sort all this out. I've been trying to follow the BANA deliberations on some of this and things just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface. Whether we like it or not, print has been and is changing very quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to keep up. Something has to happen to let us expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to seemlessly weave in the kinds of technical writing that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long ago. Whether a separate code for mathematics needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is still an open question, as far as I know. Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even sees limitations in the current code and has created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant change from the current code. I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject. Let's just keep our cool a little. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: I think you will. She's good that way. If you don't let me know. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, Joshua, I'm with ya, brother! The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I know and love so very deeply. In fact, my Not being able to find meaning within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any less. 2011, you wrote: I'm all for a unified Braille code. That code, is the Nemeth Code! Leave it alone! Blessings, Joshua On 9/10/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille code Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011 a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the National Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization providing continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille transcribers here in the United States. The President's Message states, "At some point in the near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision about a unified braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will combine literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and constructions." Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA "Education and Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a universal code." Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6, 2011 and will be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB. If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of maths in the current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior to the Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to take action now. Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the Nemeth code just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India and Indonesia which have larger populations of braille users? Sincerely, SusanJ ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- a.. Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility b.. Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braillecode c.. 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 23:51:27 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:51:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6e9b17.1242340a.7765.2bd4@mx.google.com> Hi=20Joshua, While=20I'm=20a=20fellow=20conservative,=20I=20don't=20think=20you=20can=20= ever=20get=20a=20 liberal=20to=20watch=20Bill=20oReilly.=20=20Probably=20they'll=20pay=205=20= bucks=20a=20 month=20for=20Glenn=20Beck's=20GBTV=20before=20they=20watch=20oReilly,=20LO= L!=20But=20 that's=20an=20offlist=20discussion. =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20Good=20afternoon,=20List, =20Just=20because=20Americans=20were=20the=20souls=20who =20perished=20in=20the=20blasts,=20the=20universe=20is=20somehow, =20expected=20to=20change?=20Folks=20die=20daily=20usually=20at =20the=20hands=20of=20American=20interests.=20=20Imagine=20the =20scales=20of=20life,=20finding=20equivalence?At=2012:26=20PM =209/11/2011,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20wrote: Hi=20all,=20We=20all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to address=20safety=20and=20security.=20=20But=20somehow,=20some way,=20those=20terrorists=20got=20through.=20=20We=20were attacked=20a=20decade=20ago.=20=20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class in=20high=20school=20when=20I=20heard=20the=20news.=20=20School=20was closed=20the=20next=20day.=20=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly where=20the=20choir,=20band,=20and=20other=20groups performed=20to=20commemorate=209/11.=20=20I=20hope=20that=20we all=20take=20a=20moment=20to=20reflect=20on=20it.=20=20I=20will=20be praying=20for=20our=20country=20and=20everyone=E2=80=99s safety/security=20on=20the=20anniversary.=20=20I=E2=80=99m=20a Christian=20so=20I=20have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20grow stronger=20as=20a=20nation.=20=20If=20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one impacted=20by=20the=20attack,=20I=20hope=20you=20recovered somewhat=20from=20the=20tragedy.=20=20Some=20pray=20in churches,=20others=20are=20going=20to=20public=20memorials today=20and=20still=20others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service to=20serve=20the=20country.=20=20If=20you=20are=20doing=20anything different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well=20for you.=20=20Take=20care.=20=20Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 23:51:33 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:51:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6e9b1d.1242340a.7765.2bd7@mx.google.com> Right=20on! =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Nimer=20M.=20=20Jaber,=20IC=B3=20=20wrote: =20Hi,=20Ashley, =20Is=20it=20me,=20or=20does=20an=20idea=20persist=20that=20for=20a=20mere =20fact=20that=20those=20who=20suffred=20on=209/11=20happened=20to =20be=20American=20in=20nationality=20or=20white=20in =20race,=20=20somehow=20make=20it=20more=20of=20a=20tragedy?=20As=20I =20have=20said,=20America=20murders=20innocents=20=20in=20it's =20drone=20and=20other=20atacks=20(for=20the=20uninitiated, =20drone=20attacks=20refer=20to=20a=20methodical=20killing=20via=20a =20machine),=20on=20a=20daily=20freaking=20basis=20yet,=20who=20can =20cry=20for=20those=20so=20unfortunate=20as=20to=20not=20be=20born=20Ameri= can,=20or=20 white? =20And=20J.=20=20Lester=20I=20have=20absolutely=20ZERO=20interest=20in =20watching=20a=20blow=20hard=20like=20Bill=20O'Reilly=20even=20if =20it=20remains=20a=20perscription=20of=20your's. =20=20=20OOryleAt=2008:04=20PM=209/11/2011,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20wrote: Carley,=20Yes=20lives=20are=20lost=20due=20to=20American military=20actions.=20=20Whether=20fighting=20where=20we=20do is=20right=20or=20wrong=20is=20a=20political=20comment=20so=20=20I will=20not=20go=20there.=20=20But=20two=20wrongs=20do=20not=20make=20a right.=20=20The=20fact=20is=20we=20have=20terrorists=20out=20there who=20want=20to=20destroy=20us=20even=20though=20we=20did=20not touch=20them.=20=20Remember=20911=20was=20a=20peaceful=20calm day.=20=20Everyone=20was=20at=20work=20or=20school=20going=20about their=20normal=20business.=20=20Then=20without=20warning,=20we had=20these=20morning=20attacks.=20=20They=20attacked=20us=20and there=20was=20dying=20for=20no=20reason.=20=20They=20killed innocent=20people.=20=20I=20was=20watching=20the=20news=20tonight and=20it=20highlighted=20the=20stories=20of=20children, first=20responders,=20journalists=20and=20survivors.=20=20For instance=20one=20lady=20is=20now=20going=20to=20college,=20but as=20a=20kid,=20she=20was=20impacted.=20=20Her=20mother=20worked=20in the=20pentagon=20and=20died=20that=20day.=20=20She=20spoke=20about having=20to=20grow=20up=20fast=20and=20take=20on=20more=20adult responsibilities.=20=20She=20had=20to=20put=20her=20college degree=20on=20hold.=20=20Instead=20she=20got=20a=20job=20to=20help she=20and=20her=20family=20out.=20=20She=20tried=20to=20be=20strong and=20hide=20her=20feelings=20as=20she=20became=20the=20woman=20of the=20house=20to=20replace=20her=20mother.=20=20Now=20she=20goes=20to school=20online=20and=20is=20a=20part=20time=20singer.=20=20She still=20misses=20her=20mother,=20but=20tries=20to=20go=20on=20with life=20with=20her=20dad=20and=20remaining=20family;=20after all,=20her=20mom=20would=20want=20that.=20=20That=20is=20just=20one story--=20one=20girl=20whose=20life=20was=20changed=20forever. Many=20kids=20lost=20a=20parent=20in=20the=20attack;=20others lost=20their=20spouse.=20=20Oh,=20and=20I=20know=20a=20blind employee=20who=20was=20there=20and=20had=20to=20evacuate=20from the=20pentagon.=20=20He=20felt=20lost=20outside=20a=20different exit=20and=20it=20was=20a=20mob=20scene.=20=20Someone=20assisted him=20outside=20to=20find=20the=20bus=20stop=20or=20something.=20=20I was=20glad=20he=20got=20out=20safely.=20=20So=20that=20is=20something to=20think=20about.=20=20Of=20course=20you=20are=20entitled=20to your=20opinion.=20=20But=20I=20hope=20we=20can=20aknowledge=20the suffering=20the=20country=20went=20through=20as=20well=20as the=20innocent=20people=20who=20die=20every=20day=20here=20and abroad.=20=20Ashley=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From: Carly=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20September=2011,=202011=209:24=20PM To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students mailing=20list=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind Students=20mailing=20list=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l] reflecting=20on=20the=20attacks=20Good=20afternoon,=20List, Just=20because=20Americans=20were=20the=20souls=20who perished=20in=20the=20blasts,=20the=20universe=20is=20somehow, expected=20to=20change?=20Folks=20die=20daily=20usually=20at the=20hands=20of=20American=20interests.=20=20Imagine=20the scales=20of=20life,=20finding=20equivalence?At=2012:26=20PM 9/11/2011,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20wrote:=20>Hi=20all,=20We all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to=20address=20safety and=20security.=20=20>But=20somehow,=20some=20way,=20those terrorists=20got=20through.=20=20We=20were=20attacked a=20>decade=20ago.=20=20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class=20in=20high school=20when=20I=20heard=20the=20news.=20=20>School=20was=20closed the=20next=20day.=20=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly=20where the=20choir,=20>band,=20and=20other=20groups=20performed=20to commemorate=209/11.=20=20I=20hope=20that=20we=20all=20>take=20a moment=20to=20reflect=20on=20it.=20=20I=20will=20be=20praying=20for our=20country=20and=20>everyone=C3=A2=80=99s=20safety/security on=20the=20anniversary.=20=20I=C3=A2=80=E2=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m=20a=20Chri= stian=20so I=20>have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20grow=20stronger=20as=20a nation.=20=20If=20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one=20>impacted=20by=20the attack,=20I=20hope=20you=20recovered=20somewhat=20from=20the tragedy.=20=20>Some=20pray=20in=20churches,=20others=20are going=20to=20public=20memorials=20today=20and still=20>others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service=20to=20serve the=20country.=20=20If=20you=20are=20doing=20>anything different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well=20for you.=20=20Take=20care.=20=20>Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20>nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20>unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for nabs-l:=20>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l _nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net Hi Vejas, What BrailleNote do you have: Apex, mPower, PK? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas Hi Angela, Thank you for that! I'll just add, if you want to still talk about it, just take it off list! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Fowler" Freedom for whom and from what? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth References: <4e6e9b17.1242340a.7765.2bd4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: LOL! I know. I have to put up with two liberal instructors, this semester, and their crap is getting on my nerves! They have a terrible slant on the truth. Blessings, Joshua On 9/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > While I'm a fellow conservative, I don't think you can ever get a > liberal to watch Bill oReilly. Probably they'll pay 5 bucks a > month for Glenn Beck's GBTV before they watch oReilly, LOL! But > that's an offlist discussion. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:40:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > That's the same old liberal bloviating, that gets on my nerves. > Watch Bill ORiley, for a change! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Carly wrote: > > > Good afternoon, List, > > Just because Americans were the souls who > perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, > expected to change? Folks die daily usually at > the hands of American interests. Imagine the > scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM > 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, We all have varying views on how to > address safety and security. But somehow, some > way, those terrorists got through. We were > attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class > in high school when I heard the news. School was > closed the next day. Our school had an assembly > where the choir, band, and other groups > performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we > all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be > praying for our country and everyone’s > safety/security on the anniversary. I’m a > Christian so I have faith that we will grow > stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one > impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered > somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in > churches, others are going to public memorials > today and still others will do volunteer service > to serve the country. If you are doing anything > different or special, I hope it goes well for > you. Take care. Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > rthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 00:26:28 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:26:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly Message-ID: <4e6ea34b.2225340a.531e.00a3@mx.google.com> Ashley, But=20sometimes=20you=20have=20to=20advocate,=20even=20if=20you=20don't=20w= ant=20to. Chris =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Joshua=20and=20everyone, =20Yes.=20=20Keep=20in=20mind=20however=20that=20these=20are=20not=20schedu= led=20flights=20 like=20the =20airlines.=20=20As=20air=20charter=20clients=20have=20needs=20to=20fly=20= to=20your=20area=20 that=20will =20determine=20the=20availability=20of=20flights=20to=20where=20you=20need= =20to=20go=20 being =20offered. =20Peter=20Donahue =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"Joshua=20Lester"=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Vejas=20and=20everyone, =20Private=20air=20travel=20holds=20another=20alternative=20to=20using=20th= e=20 airlines.=20=20There =20are=20a=20number=20of=20private=20air=20charter=20services=20that=20sell= =20you=20seats=20 on =20chartered=20aircraft=20at=20about=20the=20cost=20of=20an=20airline=20tic= ket.=20=20As=20 the =20situation =20with=20the=20airlines=20degrades=20even=20further=20these=20services=20a= re=20 expected=20to =20grow =20changing=20how=20we=20fly=20in=20the=20future.=20=20From=20having=20talk= ed=20to=20a=20 number=20of =20private =20air=20charter=20companies=20and=20air=20charter=20brokers=20it's=20very= =20possible=20 that=20we =20could=20find=20ourselves=20receiving=20better=20treatment=20by=20these=20= services =20compared =20to=20that=20we've=20received=20from=20the=20airlines=20over=20the=20year= s. =20=20=20=20=20For=20starters=20the=20vast=20majority=20of=20air=20charter= =20company=20=20Web=20 Sites=20=20are =20very=20accessible=20with=20screen=20reading=20software=20and=20are=20eas= y=20to=20 navigate.=20=20A =20recent=20entry=20in=20to=20the=20world=20of=20per-seat=20private=20air=20= travel=20 ventures=20is: =20http://www.socialflights.com =20=20=20=20=20While=20you=20need=20to=20get=20by=20a=20captcha=20in=20the= =20signup=20process=20 their=20Web =20site =20is=20very=20accessible=20and=20contains=20lots=20of=20information=20abou= t=20this=20 company. =20It's =20heavily=20integrated=20with=20Facebook=20so=20you'll=20need=20to=20have= =20a=20 Facebook =20Account =20and=20will=20need=20to=20be=20logged=20in=20before=20registering=20and=20= logging=20in=20 to=20Social =20Flights.=20=20Check=20them=20out=20and=20let's=20take=20air=20travel=20b= y=20the=20blind=20 to=20a =20higher =20level! =20Peter=20Donahue =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"vejas"=20=20wrote:= =20=20Hi=20all, =20=20We=20all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to=20address=20safety= =20and=20 security. =20But =20=20somehow,=20some=20way,=20those=20terrorists=20got=20through. =20=20We=20were=20attacked=20a=20decade=20ago. =20=20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class=20in=20high=20school=20when=20I=20hea= rd=20the=20news. =20School=20was =20=20closed=20the=20next=20day.=20=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly=20= where=20the =20choir, =20band,=20and =20=20other=20groups=20performed=20to=20commemorate=209/11. =20=20I=20hope=20that=20we=20all=20take=20a=20moment=20to=20reflect=20on=20= it.=20=20I=20will=20be =20praying=20for =20=20our =20=20country=20and=20everyone?=20safety/security=20on=20the=20anniversary.= =20=20I?=20a=20Christian=20so=20I=20have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20grow= =20stronger=20as=20a =20nation.=20=20If =20=20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one=20impacted=20by=20the=20attack,=20I=20hop= e=20you=20 recovered =20somewhat =20=20from=20the=20tragedy. =20=20Some=20pray=20in=20churches,=20others=20are=20going=20to=20public=20m= emorials =20today=20and =20=20still =20=20others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service=20to=20serve=20the=20country= .=20=20If=20you =20are=20doing =20=20anything=20different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well=20= for=20you. =20=20Take=20care. =20=20Ashley =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= =20account =20info=20for =20=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 =200students.pccua.edu =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 =200earthlink..net =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo =20se%40gmail..com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 0gmail.com -- Nimer=20M.=20=20Jaber The=20message=20above=20is=20intended=20for=20the=20recipient=20to=20whom=20= it=20was=20 sent. 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Well, when they X-ray anything, it slows down the process of moving through the security line, but it's usually pretty easy to just go across the little X-ray area and wait for the cane. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: They examine it? How? Do they unfold it and look inside? When I flew, and I only went once after 911, they simply x-rayed it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason Angela, You make a good point about the cane. When I flew SouthWest down to Florida last year, I took a folding cane, folded it, and stuck it in my backpack which was under the seat. Sure airport security nowadays is a pain, but you have to know that going into the thing. I can't tell you the number of times my folding cane has been examined by security guards. At this point, I just let them do their job. It's easier than trying to have a big discussion in front of others. Patrick On 9/12/11, Beth wrote: Right. ONe point. I don't think ll terrorists are Muslim and not all Muslims are Terrorists. It's like this, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Fowler" Hi all, Since I travel to visit family a lot, and attend NFB and psychology meetings on a regular basis, I have become a very frequent flyer. Over the past two years I flew, on average, once a month and almost all those flights were solo. I have been flying alone for several years and have never had any serious problems with airline officials beyond the nuisance of being asked repeatedly if I need assistance. Although independent air travel used to be rough, I do believe that things have gotten much better with the passage of the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act. In security I do place my cane on the X-ray belt along with my luggage, shoes and laptop. A security official guides me by voice, hand or both so I can get through the detector without bumping into it. I then retrieve my cane on the other side with my belongings and don't think much of it. The distance I have to walk without my cane is very minimal. Like others have said I will insist on keeping my cane during the flight, however, for the simple reason that should I need to evacuate the plane, I need to have my cane with me and I will not have time to try to find it in the overhead bin. If I am traveling with a folding cane I will fold it up and stash it under the seat in front of me. If I am using a straight cane I lay it on the floor between the window seat and the window, running parallel to the window. If I don't have a window seat and someone is already seated there when I board, I simply ask this passenger to do this for me. This has never caused any problems. It's important to remember that no matter what a flight attendant might tell you, you have a legal right to place your cane next to the window. You also have a legal right to refuse any assistance offered to you at the airport, including escorts, wheelchairs, and pre-boarding. I think there was only one time when I actually had to remind an airport official about this I have navigated airports throughout the country without an official escort and have done so for the past five years with only one exception (when I was flying back from Australia and had limited time to make a connection). Bear in mind, I am not a stellar traveler, and I started navigating airports on my own before I had good travel training. The interior of an airport is a safe place to travel independently even if you have little travel experience because there are so many people from whom to gather information. I have posted before on this list about techniques I use in the airport and I'd be happy to correspond with anyone privately if you want to know more detail about how I do it or have specific questions. Best, Arielle From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Tue Sep 13 02:23:42 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:23:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] 9/11- Call to reason In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Angela, You've point-blank stated the absurdity of this downward-spiral of a thread, but as usual, most fail to grasp your meaning. While I whole-heartedly support intellectual discussions and debates on most topics, there is nothing intellectual or meaningful growing from this discussion, if one can call it that. I post this message with trembling hands because I am outraged and saddened by many of the inane, ignorant comments and mindsets prevailing within this thread. And the inability to comprehend your, Angela's, intent, and what this thread has derailed into, is disturbing. While 9/11 will certainly always be a controversial topic, what has happened on this list is appalling and wildly inappropriate. Conservative or liberal, regardless of religious affiliations, no one wishes for a 9/11 repeat. No one wishes to find themselves in a similar situation. As many of you were children and babies when the attacks occurred, much of what you know, feel, think is based on the environment that surrounded you at the time. After the attacks, after the frantic scurry to determine what happened, who did it, after days, weeks, months and even years, of dark, fear-filled moments of not knowing, simply waiting for more attacks, our country experienced a debilitating illness that threatened to degenerate into our destruction. All sides- conservative, liberal, Christian, atheist, rich, poor- came together to commiserate, to mourn , to support and finally, to rebuild. In the beginning, it was bipartisan. In the years since, as many of you grew into your teens and twenties, lines were drawn, fingers pointed and opinions solidified capitulating into the current mess now surrounding the debate of why 9/11 happened and who's fault it was. Angela is completely accurate in her observation on this thread, and I agree no good has grown from it. We've left our senses and entered something that's foundation is shaky at best. Stop the ridiculous arguments, stop the mud-slinging that only detracts from anything positive, stop attempting to weave in political and religious rhetoric that, not only tends to be built on faulty, one-sided information, but contributes in no way to this list, or society for that matter. If you wish to discuss and debate our right to carry a cane onto a plane, leave 9/11 out of it- it's tacky, particularly in light of the recent anniversary. Grow up folks and learn to temper responses especially if you choose to bring in topics based in nature on political or religious or any other agenda-driven arguments to the discussion. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:26:52 -0700 From: "Angela Fowler" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason Message-ID: <13535880DD2D4FBF8F6FB07E6A9198EF at AngelaPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello folks, First let me say that, though flight attendants have tried to take my cane and put it up, I have only to firmly but politely tell them that we always have our canes with us, and demonstrate how easy it is to lay it along the side of the plane by the window, no danger nor inconvenience to anyone. They never give me any trouble beyond that point. Second, the issues surrounding 9/11 are controversial at best, and arguing about them at this point will do nothing to further our common cause which is, need I remind folks, changing what it means to be blind for all blind people. I have seen this discussion degenerate into liberal verses conservative mud slinging, and feel that it has become anti-productive. Please folks, let's stop fighting over things we can't at this point change, and focus on the things we can. Angela From brlsurfer at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 02:33:40 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:33:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box Message-ID: <4e6ec130.105e650a.7fcb.146e@mx.google.com> I have an Apex, the latest version. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum What is that 1986 act, and how has it helped people become more independent? ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman Hi Chris. It's Vejas. Although most of the flights I've been in I can get my cane OK, there was one time that they set off the alarm for it. Sometimes they just don't understand. And it's our job to MAKE them understand. We can do this, as blind people, by continuing to travel. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: They examine it? How? Do they unfold it and look inside? When I flew, and I only went once after 911, they simply x-rayed it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] re. 9/11, call to reason Angela, You make a good point about the cane. When I flew SouthWest down to Florida last year, I took a folding cane, folded it, and stuck it in my backpack which was under the seat. Sure airport security nowadays is a pain, but you have to know that going into the thing. I can't tell you the number of times my folding cane has been examined by security guards. At this point, I just let them do their job. It's easier than trying to have a big discussion in front of others. Patrick On 9/12/11, Beth wrote: Right. ONe point. I don't think ll terrorists are Muslim and not all Muslims are Terrorists. It's like this, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Fowler" References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net><7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20110911231051.01d1b7c8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Nimer, Good post. And this will probably be the last I'll say. You included Fox and MSNBC in your points which makes your point more nonpartisan. You're right. "We should honor their memories by not allowing any individual to terrorize America or its interests. And we should do it quick before the terrorists hit again. This nation needs unity, not division. Bill Orily and Rachel Madow are puppets who spout opinions. It doesn't matter whom you like, both of them are opinionated and they heir those opinions to the masses. If you let yourself not think freely and get dragged in by either side's opinionators, then you deserve every inconvenience this government could possibly hand you. That's the problem we have now. People have stopped using their brains and trusting their instincts and instead relying on msnbc or fox news to tell them what's going on. " Yes that is true. We need to use our brains when forming opinions. We need to think for ourselves and not just unquestionly follow someone who spouts opinions. Read several news sources; listen to C-span to hear congress firsthand. I was going to write something like that, but you said it better than me. My intent in bringing this up was to find out what you all did personally or publicly to remember 9/11. With over 200 subscribers, some of you probably lost a loved one in this tragedy. We should integrate into society and do what other Americans are doing to commemerate the anniversary. I was trying to keep politics out of it. Whether conservative or liberal, Christian or not, no one wants this tragedy again; no one but that is our enemies here and abroad. Anyone who wants to kill innocent Americans is our enemy and has no business here. My brother lost a friend and I know a blind guy that had to evacuate the pentagon. Thankfully he got out safely in the confusion. I remember that I was in school that morning as a senior when I got the news. Many of you were children or teens and perhaps don't feel much of anything about the event since you were safe with family. This 9/11 I prayed more and watched more news and watched the memorial concert held here in DC at the kennedy center. I am commited to do some sort of service project for 9/11. I hope most of us can get past the political rhetoric and show our patriotism and show love for America. I mean getting out there and doing normal things is what changing what it means to be blind is about. Some campuses are holding vigils or doing volunteer service projects. Many religious groups are doing something too. So whatever you did, I hope you at least took time to remember the tragedy; something as simple as a moment of silence is useful. Let us go forward peacefully. God bless America. -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:41 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Robin, Carly and all, Ten years ago this country went through an attack of greater magnitude than anyone can know or comprehend if they weren't directly impacted. Sure, everyone has to go through airport screenings now and people feel inconvenienced, but I guaran-damn-tee you that if another attack on the scale of what happened ten years ago happened today, nobody would be complaining for a few years until another generation comes along and starts getting complacent. We should remember those who died. We should honor their memories by not allowing any individual to terrorize America or its interests. And we should do it quick before the terrorists hit again. This nation needs unity, not division. Bill Orily and Rachel Madow are puppets who spout opinions. It doesn't matter whom you like, both of them are opinionated and they heir those opinions to the masses. If you let yourself not think freely and get dragged in by either side's opinionators, then you deserve every inconvenience this government could possibly hand you. That's the problem we have now. People have stopped using their brains and trusting their instincts and instead relying on msnbc or fox news to tell them what's going on. Or maybe twitter. If you don't like what the United States is doing to other nations and you think the US should be soft because maybe you think that somehow other nations are just going to back down and forget the US exists, then you've got another reality coming to you. If you don't like the United States' actions against its enemies who are hell-bent on our destruction, then please, leave this country and don't return. If you need transport, please let me know and I'm sure we can work out an arrangement. Just surrender your passport to me when you leave, OK? And if you join or affiliate yourself with a group that wants to destroy the US of A, then don't be too surprised if you run into some problems if you take any action against us. Thanks, and I apologize to the mods of this list for helping continue this off-topic thread. On 12.09.2011, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Ashley, > > Is it me, or does an idea persist that for a mere > fact that those who suffred on 9/11 happened to > be American in nationality or white in > race, somehow make it more of a tragedy? As I > have said, America murders innocents in it's > drone and other atacks (for the uninitiated, > drone attacks refer to a methodical killing via a > machine), on a daily freaking basis yet, who can > cry for those so unfortunate as to not be born American, or white? > And J. Lester I have absolutely ZERO interest in > watching a blow hard like Bill O'Reilly even if > it remains a perscription of your's. > OOryleAt 08:04 PM 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>Carley, Yes lives are lost due to American >>military actions. Whether fighting where we do >>is right or wrong is a political comment so I >>will not go there. But two wrongs do not make a >>right. The fact is we have terrorists out there >>who want to destroy us even though we did not >>touch them. Remember 911 was a peaceful calm >>day. Everyone was at work or school going about >>their normal business. Then without warning, we >>had these morning attacks. They attacked us and >>there was dying for no reason. They killed >>innocent people. I was watching the news tonight >>and it highlighted the stories of children, >>first responders, journalists and survivors. For >>instance one lady is now going to college, but >>as a kid, she was impacted. Her mother worked in >>the pentagon and died that day. She spoke about >>having to grow up fast and take on more adult >>responsibilities. She had to put her college >>degree on hold. Instead she got a job to help >>she and her family out. She tried to be strong >>and hide her feelings as she became the woman of >>the house to replace her mother. Now she goes to >>school online and is a part time singer. She >>still misses her mother, but tries to go on with >>life with her dad and remaining family; after >>all, her mom would want that. That is just one >>story-- one girl whose life was changed forever. >>Many kids lost a parent in the attack; others >>lost their spouse. Oh, and I know a blind >>employee who was there and had to evacuate from >>the pentagon. He felt lost outside a different >>exit and it was a mob scene. Someone assisted >>him outside to find the bus stop or something. I >>was glad he got out safely. So that is something >>to think about. Of course you are entitled to >>your opinion. But I hope we can aknowledge the >>suffering the country went through as well as >>the innocent people who die every day here and >>abroad. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: >>Carly Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:24 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students >>mailing list ; National Association of Blind >>Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >>reflecting on the attacks Good afternoon, List, >>Just because Americans were the souls who >>perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, >>expected to change? Folks die daily usually at >>the hands of American interests. Imagine the >>scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM >>9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, We >>all have varying views on how to address safety >>and security. >But somehow, some way, those >>terrorists got through. We were attacked >>a >decade ago. I was finishing a class in high >>school when I heard the news. >School was closed >>the next day. Our school had an assembly where >>the choir, >band, and other groups performed to >>commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all >take a >>moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for >>our country and >everyone’s safety/security >>on the anniversary. Iâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢m a Christian so >>I >have faith that we will grow stronger as a >>nation. If you had a loved one >impacted by the >>attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the >>tragedy. >Some pray in churches, others are >>going to public memorials today and >>still >others will do volunteer service to serve >>the country. If you are doing >anything >>different or special, I hope it goes well for >>you. Take care. >Ashley >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for >>nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >>_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Sep 13 03:29:15 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:29:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911231051.01d1b7c8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Wow! Ashley, you graduated high school, my 7th grade year! I remember where I was, that day. I was in my worst subject, (math class,) when that happened. It's amazing, that the schools pick a student's worst subject, and they put them in it, in third period, (third hour,) or whatever you call it. That's another thread, for another time. Blessings, Joshua On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Nimer, > Good post. And this will probably be the last I'll say. > You included Fox and MSNBC in your points which makes your point more > nonpartisan. > > You're right. > "We should honor their memories by not allowing any individual to > terrorize America or its interests. And we should do it quick before > the terrorists hit again. This nation needs unity, not division. Bill > Orily and Rachel Madow are puppets who spout opinions. It doesn't > matter whom you like, both of them are opinionated and they heir those > opinions to the masses. If you let yourself not think freely and get > dragged in by either side's opinionators, then you deserve every > inconvenience this government could possibly hand you. That's the > problem we have now. People have stopped using their brains and > trusting their instincts and instead relying on msnbc or fox news to > tell them what's going on. " > > Yes that is true. We need to use our brains when forming opinions. > We need to think for ourselves and not just unquestionly follow someone who > spouts opinions. Read several news sources; listen to C-span to hear > congress firsthand. > > > I was going to write something like that, but you said it better than me. My > intent in bringing this up was to find out what you all did personally or > publicly to remember 9/11. With over 200 subscribers, some of you probably > lost a loved one in this tragedy. > We should integrate into society and do what other Americans are doing to > commemerate the anniversary. > I was trying to keep politics out of it. > Whether conservative or liberal, Christian or not, no one wants this tragedy > again; no one but that is our enemies here and abroad. Anyone who wants to > kill innocent Americans is our enemy and has no business here. > > > My brother lost a friend and I know a blind guy that had to evacuate the > pentagon. Thankfully he got out safely in the confusion. > I remember that I was in school that morning as a senior when I got the > news. Many of you were children or teens and perhaps don't feel much of > anything about the event since you were safe with family. > This 9/11 I prayed more and watched more news and watched the memorial > concert held here in DC at the kennedy center. I am commited to do some sort > of service project for 9/11. > > I hope most of us can get past the political rhetoric and show our > patriotism and show love for America. > I mean getting out there and doing normal things is what changing what it > means to be blind is about. > Some campuses are holding vigils or doing volunteer service projects. > Many religious groups are doing something too. So whatever you did, I hope > you at least took time to remember the tragedy; something as simple as a > moment of silence is useful. > > Let us go forward peacefully. God bless America. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:41 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Robin, Carly and all, > > Ten years ago this country went through an attack of greater magnitude > than anyone can know or comprehend if they weren't directly impacted. > Sure, everyone has to go through airport screenings now and people > feel inconvenienced, but I guaran-damn-tee you that if another attack > on the scale of what happened ten years ago happened today, nobody > would be complaining for a few years until another generation comes > along and starts getting complacent. We should remember those who > died. We should honor their memories by not allowing any individual to > terrorize America or its interests. And we should do it quick before > the terrorists hit again. This nation needs unity, not division. Bill > Orily and Rachel Madow are puppets who spout opinions. It doesn't > matter whom you like, both of them are opinionated and they heir those > opinions to the masses. If you let yourself not think freely and get > dragged in by either side's opinionators, then you deserve every > inconvenience this government could possibly hand you. That's the > problem we have now. People have stopped using their brains and > trusting their instincts and instead relying on msnbc or fox news to > tell them what's going on. Or maybe twitter. If you don't like what > the United States is doing to other nations and you think the US > should be soft because maybe you think that somehow other nations are > just going to back down and forget the US exists, then you've got > another reality coming to you. If you don't like the United States' > actions against its enemies who are hell-bent on our destruction, then > please, leave this country and don't return. If you need transport, > please let me know and I'm sure we can work out an arrangement. Just > surrender your passport to me when you leave, OK? And if you join or > affiliate yourself with a group that wants to destroy the US of A, > then don't be too surprised if you run into some problems if you take > any action against us. > > Thanks, and I apologize to the mods of this list for helping continue > this off-topic thread. > > On 12.09.2011, Carly wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Ashley, >> >> Is it me, or does an idea persist that for a mere >> fact that those who suffred on 9/11 happened to >> be American in nationality or white in >> race, somehow make it more of a tragedy? As I >> have said, America murders innocents in it's >> drone and other atacks (for the uninitiated, >> drone attacks refer to a methodical killing via a >> machine), on a daily freaking basis yet, who can >> cry for those so unfortunate as to not be born American, or white? >> And J. Lester I have absolutely ZERO interest in >> watching a blow hard like Bill O'Reilly even if >> it remains a perscription of your's. >> OOryleAt 08:04 PM 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>Carley, Yes lives are lost due to American >>>military actions. Whether fighting where we do >>>is right or wrong is a political comment so I >>>will not go there. But two wrongs do not make a >>>right. The fact is we have terrorists out there >>>who want to destroy us even though we did not >>>touch them. Remember 911 was a peaceful calm >>>day. Everyone was at work or school going about >>>their normal business. Then without warning, we >>>had these morning attacks. They attacked us and >>>there was dying for no reason. They killed >>>innocent people. I was watching the news tonight >>>and it highlighted the stories of children, >>>first responders, journalists and survivors. For >>>instance one lady is now going to college, but >>>as a kid, she was impacted. Her mother worked in >>>the pentagon and died that day. She spoke about >>>having to grow up fast and take on more adult >>>responsibilities. She had to put her college >>>degree on hold. Instead she got a job to help >>>she and her family out. She tried to be strong >>>and hide her feelings as she became the woman of >>>the house to replace her mother. Now she goes to >>>school online and is a part time singer. She >>>still misses her mother, but tries to go on with >>>life with her dad and remaining family; after >>>all, her mom would want that. That is just one >>>story-- one girl whose life was changed forever. >>>Many kids lost a parent in the attack; others >>>lost their spouse. Oh, and I know a blind >>>employee who was there and had to evacuate from >>>the pentagon. He felt lost outside a different >>>exit and it was a mob scene. Someone assisted >>>him outside to find the bus stop or something. I >>>was glad he got out safely. So that is something >>>to think about. Of course you are entitled to >>>your opinion. But I hope we can aknowledge the >>>suffering the country went through as well as >>>the innocent people who die every day here and >>>abroad. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: >>>Carly Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:24 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students >>>mailing list ; National Association of Blind >>>Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >>>reflecting on the attacks Good afternoon, List, >>>Just because Americans were the souls who >>>perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, >>>expected to change? Folks die daily usually at >>>the hands of American interests. Imagine the >>>scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM >>>9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, We >>>all have varying views on how to address safety >>>and security. >But somehow, some way, those >>>terrorists got through. We were attacked >>>a >decade ago. I was finishing a class in high >>>school when I heard the news. >School was closed >>>the next day. Our school had an assembly where >>>the choir, >band, and other groups performed to >>>commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all >take a >>>moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for >>>our country and >everyone’s safety/security >>>on the anniversary. Iâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢m a Christian so >>>I >have faith that we will grow stronger as a >>>nation. If you had a loved one >impacted by the >>>attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the >>>tragedy. >Some pray in churches, others are >>>going to public memorials today and >>>still >others will do volunteer service to serve >>>the country. If you are doing >anything >>>different or special, I hope it goes well for >>>you. Take care. >Ashley >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>your account info for >>>nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >>>_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>your account info for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>your account info for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer M. Jaber > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. > Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these > instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies > of this email from your computer. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > Phone: (720) (251-4530) > Please reply to this email to contact me. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From robinmel71 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 13 05:20:04 2011 From: robinmel71 at earthlink.net (Robin) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:20:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: References: <19CF23D8E066451B9469971DAF76CFB7@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911182124.01cc78f8@earthlink.net> <7C222E2C312D43CBA3132DFD2D090FCE@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110911231051.01d1b7c8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110912220240.023eb1c8@earthlink.net> This is the last time I will likely chime in on this post. I'm with Martin Luther King, who was a non-violent advocate for injustice. He OPPOSED "ALL MILITARY actions. You might want to listen to some of his speeches on youtube like "where do we go from here". And I'm NOT swayed by either MSNBC or FOX News. I'm NOT a LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE. i'm what this country is MISSING a LEFTY. I don't support the U.S. Government primarily based upon how this country has treated MINORITIES in its VAST HISTORY. I SUPPORT "The PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES"", and this does NOT include any POLITICIAN because "ALL GOVERNMENTS LIE", which is a famous quote from Howard Zinn. "1 man's TERRORIST is another's FREEDOM FIGHTER" At 08:18 PM 9/12/2011, you wrote: >Hi Nimer, >Good post. And this will probably be the last I'll say. >You included Fox and MSNBC in your points which >makes your point more nonpartisan. > >You're right. >"We should honor their memories by not allowing any individual to >terrorize America or its interests. And we should do it quick before >the terrorists hit again. This nation needs unity, not division. Bill >Orily and Rachel Madow are puppets who spout opinions. It doesn't >matter whom you like, both of them are opinionated and they heir those >opinions to the masses. If you let yourself not think freely and get >dragged in by either side's opinionators, then you deserve every >inconvenience this government could possibly hand you. That's the >problem we have now. People have stopped using their brains and >trusting their instincts and instead relying on msnbc or fox news to >tell them what's going on. " > >Yes that is true. We need to use our brains when forming opinions. >We need to think for ourselves and not just >unquestionly follow someone who spouts opinions. >Read several news sources; listen to C-span to hear congress firsthand. > > >I was going to write something like that, but >you said it better than me. My intent in >bringing this up was to find out what you all >did personally or publicly to remember 9/11. >With over 200 subscribers, some of you probably >lost a loved one in this tragedy. >We should integrate into society and do what >other Americans are doing to commemerate the anniversary. >I was trying to keep politics out of it. >Whether conservative or liberal, Christian or >not, no one wants this tragedy again; no one but >that is our enemies here and abroad. Anyone who >wants to kill innocent Americans is our enemy and has no business here. > > >My brother lost a friend and I know a blind guy >that had to evacuate the pentagon. Thankfully he >got out safely in the confusion. >I remember that I was in school that morning as >a senior when I got the news. Many of you were >children or teens and perhaps don't feel much of >anything about the event since you were safe with family. >This 9/11 I prayed more and watched more news >and watched the memorial concert held here in DC >at the kennedy center. I am commited to do some >sort of service project for 9/11. > >I hope most of us can get past the political >rhetoric and show our patriotism and show love for America. >I mean getting out there and doing normal things >is what changing what it means to be blind is about. >Some campuses are holding vigils or doing volunteer service projects. >Many religious groups are doing something too. >So whatever you did, I hope you at least took >time to remember the tragedy; something as >simple as a moment of silence is useful. > >Let us go forward peacefully. God bless America. > >-----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:41 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > >Robin, Carly and all, > >Ten years ago this country went through an attack of greater magnitude >than anyone can know or comprehend if they weren't directly impacted. >Sure, everyone has to go through airport screenings now and people >feel inconvenienced, but I guaran-damn-tee you that if another attack >on the scale of what happened ten years ago happened today, nobody >would be complaining for a few years until another generation comes >along and starts getting complacent. We should remember those who >died. We should honor their memories by not allowing any individual to >terrorize America or its interests. And we should do it quick before >the terrorists hit again. This nation needs unity, not division. Bill >Orily and Rachel Madow are puppets who spout opinions. It doesn't >matter whom you like, both of them are opinionated and they heir those >opinions to the masses. If you let yourself not think freely and get >dragged in by either side's opinionators, then you deserve every >inconvenience this government could possibly hand you. That's the >problem we have now. People have stopped using their brains and >trusting their instincts and instead relying on msnbc or fox news to >tell them what's going on. Or maybe twitter. If you don't like what >the United States is doing to other nations and you think the US >should be soft because maybe you think that somehow other nations are >just going to back down and forget the US exists, then you've got >another reality coming to you. If you don't like the United States' >actions against its enemies who are hell-bent on our destruction, then >please, leave this country and don't return. If you need transport, >please let me know and I'm sure we can work out an arrangement. Just >surrender your passport to me when you leave, OK? And if you join or >affiliate yourself with a group that wants to destroy the US of A, >then don't be too surprised if you run into some problems if you take >any action against us. > >Thanks, and I apologize to the mods of this list for helping continue >this off-topic thread. > >On 12.09.2011, Carly wrote: >> >> >>Hi, Ashley, >> >>Is it me, or does an idea persist that for a mere >>fact that those who suffred on 9/11 happened to >>be American in nationality or white in >>race, somehow make it more of a tragedy? As I >>have said, America murders innocents in it's >>drone and other atacks (for the uninitiated, >>drone attacks refer to a methodical killing via a >>machine), on a daily freaking basis yet, who can >>cry for those so unfortunate as to not be born American, or white? >>And J. Lester I have absolutely ZERO interest in >>watching a blow hard like Bill O'Reilly even if >>it remains a perscription of your's. >> OOryleAt 08:04 PM 9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>Carley, Yes lives are lost due to American >>>military actions. Whether fighting where we do >>>is right or wrong is a political comment so I >>>will not go there. But two wrongs do not make a >>>right. The fact is we have terrorists out there >>>who want to destroy us even though we did not >>>touch them. Remember 911 was a peaceful calm >>>day. Everyone was at work or school going about >>>their normal business. Then without warning, we >>>had these morning attacks. They attacked us and >>>there was dying for no reason. They killed >>>innocent people. I was watching the news tonight >>>and it highlighted the stories of children, >>>first responders, journalists and survivors. For >>>instance one lady is now going to college, but >>>as a kid, she was impacted. Her mother worked in >>>the pentagon and died that day. She spoke about >>>having to grow up fast and take on more adult >>>responsibilities. She had to put her college >>>degree on hold. Instead she got a job to help >>>she and her family out. She tried to be strong >>>and hide her feelings as she became the woman of >>>the house to replace her mother. Now she goes to >>>school online and is a part time singer. She >>>still misses her mother, but tries to go on with >>>life with her dad and remaining family; after >>>all, her mom would want that. That is just one >>>story-- one girl whose life was changed forever. >>>Many kids lost a parent in the attack; others >>>lost their spouse. Oh, and I know a blind >>>employee who was there and had to evacuate from >>>the pentagon. He felt lost outside a different >>>exit and it was a mob scene. Someone assisted >>>him outside to find the bus stop or something. I >>>was glad he got out safely. So that is something >>>to think about. Of course you are entitled to >>>your opinion. But I hope we can aknowledge the >>>suffering the country went through as well as >>>the innocent people who die every day here and >>>abroad. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: >>>Carly Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:24 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students >>>mailing list ; National Association of Blind >>>Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >>>reflecting on the attacks Good afternoon, List, >>>Just because Americans were the souls who >>>perished in the blasts, the universe is somehow, >>>expected to change? Folks die daily usually at >>>the hands of American interests. Imagine the >>>scales of life, finding equivalence?At 12:26 PM >>>9/11/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, We >>>all have varying views on how to address safety >>>and security. >But somehow, some way, those >>>terrorists got through. We were attacked >>>a >decade ago. I was finishing a class in high >>>school when I heard the news. >School was closed >>>the next day. Our school had an assembly where >>>the choir, >band, and other groups performed to >>>commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all >take a >>>moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for >>>our country and >everyone’s safety/security >>>on the anniversary. Iâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢m a Christian so >>>I >have faith that we will grow stronger as a >>>nation. If you had a loved one >impacted by the >>>attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the >>>tragedy. >Some pray in churches, others are >>>going to public memorials today and >>>still >others will do volunteer service to serve >>>the country. If you are doing >anything >>>different or special, I hope it goes well for >>>you. Take care. >Ashley >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>your account info for >>>nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >>>_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>your account info for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>your account info for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > > >-- >Nimer M. Jaber > >The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. >If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify >me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken >as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient >may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my >machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible >for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions >or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. >Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these >instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies >of this email from your computer. > >Registered Linux User 529141. >http://counter.li.org/ >Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >please click here: >http://www.vinuxproject.org > >To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >and above, please click here: >http://www.nvda-project.org > >Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >http://nimertech.blogspot.com > >Phone: (720) (251-4530) >Please reply to this email to contact me. > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robinmel71%40earthlink.net From cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 07:13:22 2011 From: cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com (Ashley) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:13:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Flying with a Cane In-Reply-To: <4e6ec368.0853e70a.271f.0dcb@mx.google.com> References: <4e6ec368.0853e70a.271f.0dcb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Arielle, I too have traveled quite a bit in the past, and am a big fan of doing so as independently as possible. There were many times I have refused assistance in an airport setting, but was not aware of that act, giving us the legal right to do so. This is interesting and I will keep it in mind. However, I do have a question, and would like some opinions on this. I have traveled independently countless times, to conventions and suchh, aand the most was to Washington seminar. However, I am going to be traveling outside of the country. I would like to try to retain my independence as much as possible, and would like some advice. I am traveling with American Airlines, which I have not really used in the past. When i made my reservation, I requested assistance, because I was not sure what things would be like, or if they would be the same at all, especially in another country. However, I would love to be able to increase my self asteme by doing what I can independently. I feel more confident now than I did when i made the reservation, would it be possible to let them know I wouldn't be needing it? in that case, without it, what kind of advice can you give me about independent tavel abroad. Any help would be greatly appreciated. On 9/12/11, vejas wrote: > What is that 1986 act, and how has it helped people become more > independent? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:51:03 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Flying with a Cane > > Hi all, > Since I travel to visit family a lot, and attend NFB and > psychology > meetings on a regular basis, I have become a very frequent flyer. > Over > the past two years I flew, on average, once a month and almost > all > those flights were solo. I have been flying alone for several > years > and have never had any serious problems with airline officials > beyond > the nuisance of being asked repeatedly if I need assistance. > Although > independent air travel used to be rough, I do believe that things > have > gotten much better with the passage of the 1986 Air Carrier > Access > Act. > In security I do place my cane on the X-ray belt along with my > luggage, shoes and laptop. A security official guides me by > voice, > hand or both so I can get through the detector without bumping > into > it. I then retrieve my cane on the other side with my belongings > and > don't think much of it. The distance I have to walk without my > cane is > very minimal. > Like others have said I will insist on keeping my cane during the > flight, however, for the simple reason that should I need to > evacuate > the plane, I need to have my cane with me and I will not have > time to > try to find it in the overhead bin. If I am traveling with a > folding > cane I will fold it up and stash it under the seat in front of > me. If > I am using a straight cane I lay it on the floor between the > window > seat and the window, running parallel to the window. If I don't > have a > window seat and someone is already seated there when I board, I > simply > ask this passenger to do this for me. This has never caused any > problems. It's important to remember that no matter what a > flight > attendant might tell you, you have a legal right to place your > cane > next to the window. You also have a legal right to refuse any > assistance offered to you at the airport, including escorts, > wheelchairs, and pre-boarding. I think there was only one time > when I > actually had to remind an airport official about this > I have navigated airports throughout the country without an > official > escort and have done so for the past five years with only one > exception (when I was flying back from Australia and had limited > time > to make a connection). Bear in mind, I am not a stellar > traveler, and > I started navigating airports on my own before I had good travel > training. The interior of an airport is a safe place to travel > independently even if you have little travel experience because > there > are so many people from whom to gather information. I have > posted > before on this list about techniques I use in the airport and I'd > be > happy to correspond with anyone privately if you want to know > more > detail about how I do it or have specific questions. > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brlsurfer%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gmail.com > From menno.schaap at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 10:30:12 2011 From: menno.schaap at gmail.com (Menno Schaap) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:30:12 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible ebooks Message-ID: <00f001cc7200$1f55e0b0$5e01a210$@gmail.com> Hi all, A short introduction of myself, I'm a law and economics student at the university of Maastricht in the Netherlands. I am practically blind, I use Window- Eyes in combination with NVDa with speech and braille output to study. I have a question concerning the use of ebooks. In the Netherlands, the study books are normally digitalized by a foundation. Unfortunately this process takes around 4to 6 months. However, some study books are available in ebook (epub) format.I tried to figure out the accessibility of these ebooks, the content seems accessible, but is secured with drm I did not find any useful eBook reader. Do You have experience in reading ebooks? And also with help of a screen reader? Met vriendelijke groet, Menno Schaap Victorieplein 22-I 1078 PE amsterdam The Netherlands From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 11:01:29 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:01:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible ebooks Message-ID: <4e6f3823.907fe70a.2ba5.2389@mx.google.com> Epub format books, btw, can be read with Braille output on a notetaker. I don't know how you could invest in something like the BrailleNote Apex in the Netherlands, but the Apex does read Epub book formats. I get the epub books from places like Google Books and the Project Gutenberg website. Whuat do you guys think? Also, the best e-book reader I think would have to be omething like the Apex or the VR Stream. Has anyone heard of the Victor Reader Stratus? The voices are different. I'm not sure that reads epub books. But still, I'm sure the books can be read in other ways. I'm not sure how to read an epub book on a screen reader. JAWs won't open them, so ... Good luck. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menno Schaap" References: <00f001cc7200$1f55e0b0$5e01a210$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E3E2CE6-7988-47B8-B4BF-995B96FB4BAF@gmail.com> Hi Menno, Welcome to the list. I'm not currently using windows but I just did a similar search for accessible epubs on the mac for some of the books I need this semester. The Adobe Digital Editions 1.8 Beta is supposed to work well with Jaws on windows and VoiceOver on the mac. I'm not sure how well it will work with Window Eyes, but its worth a shot. Also, I just purchased an accessible epub through google books. This surprised me because I didn't think google books were accessible, but so far its great. Apparently there is some way to download the book onto your computer but I have been reading it through the google books website and it seems to work fine. I'm not sure if google books are available outside the U.S., but I would think so. On a side note, has anyone else had success with google books? I hope this is helpful. -Greg On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Menno Schaap wrote: > Hi all, > > > > A short introduction of myself, I'm a law and economics student at the > university of Maastricht in the Netherlands. I am practically blind, I use > Window- Eyes in combination with NVDa with speech and braille output to > study. > > > > I have a question concerning the use of ebooks. In the Netherlands, the > study books are normally digitalized by a foundation. Unfortunately this > process takes around 4to 6 months. > > However, some study books are available in ebook (epub) format.I tried to > figure out the accessibility of these ebooks, the content seems accessible, > but is secured with drm I did not find any useful eBook reader. Do You have > experience in reading ebooks? And also with help of a screen reader? > > > > > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > > > > > Menno Schaap > > > > > > > > Victorieplein 22-I > > 1078 PE amsterdam > > The Netherlands > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Tue Sep 13 13:42:29 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:42:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Rebirth Of An Online Radio Station Takes Place Tonight And You're Invited In-Reply-To: <64AB25274478412AA39EA692F2A78818@AudioShockWave> References: <64AB25274478412AA39EA692F2A78818@AudioShockWave> Message-ID: <009d01cc721a$fb80a510$f281ef30$@comcast.net> Hello David, Thanks as always for putting out this announcement. I'm sooooo sorry that I wasn't able to make the rebirth party for audio access FM last night. Well, as you know I have been dealing with a major head cold which has also gone into my head and my chest and, I thought it was finally gone well, over the weekend it came back and, it was still there yesterday. Yesterday, I had to go to my interview for my new volunteer/internship job and, when I came home yesterday I was so exhausted that I went to my bed to get some more rest and, when I realized on the time I knew that I couldn't stay awake. I know that I promised you that I would be there and, I should've called you about this but, my cell phone died and, I didn't charged until this morning. I'm also sorry that I haven't sent out a major press release to all of my family and friends about the new station but, I will do it this week. Again, I'm sooo sorry but, I will definitely will be there next week for the show. Take care my dear and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, >From Amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:05 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] The Rebirth Of An Online Radio Station Takes Place Tonight And You're Invited Greetings All! As many of you know, I've been running an online radio station since June called AudioAccessRadio. However, a few of us felt we could upgrade our radio concept a little, so after being behind closed doors for the weekend, we're ready to roll out the emerging and soon to be born AudioAccessFM! And the fun begins tonight! Starting at 7 PM eastern, you can go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com click on the link to listen, and be part of our rebirth's starting lineup. Kicking off the rebirth is Pop Tops With Dennis. This show takes you on a saphari through pop history by focusing on songs that made it to top ten or better on billboard, and each song has a common theme to it on each of the shows. The theme for tonight will be Sunshine. Then at 8 PM eastern, The Djd Invasion takes over the microphone with An interview with a musician named Blessing Offor A wide range of tunes to make you smile including your requests The chance for you to win either a 20 dollar amazon gift card or to play for 50 dollars, follow audioaccessfm on twitter for more details We'll also introduce you to some of the new talent that has joined our team! Things look very bright and hopeful for our future! Participation is easy during my show. I can be reached by aol or msn messenger at the address live at audioaccessfm.com via twitter at audioaccessfm via skype at audio.accessfm or by email at djd at audioaccessfm.com I'm very excited about the radio station's rebirth, and I hope to share it with you. So, whether you're wanting to hear Pop Tops, my show only at 8 PM eastern, or both, save this email, and at any time between 7 PM and either 190 or 11 eastern, visit http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php to tune in! I hope to see you all there! Best wishes, David Dunphy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Sep 13 13:50:11 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 08:50:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Rebirth Of An Online Radio Station Takes Place Tonight And You're Invited In-Reply-To: <009d01cc721a$fb80a510$f281ef30$@comcast.net> References: <64AB25274478412AA39EA692F2A78818@AudioShockWave> <009d01cc721a$fb80a510$f281ef30$@comcast.net> Message-ID: David, I can't get the new site, to come up. Blessings, Joshua On 9/13/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello David, > > Thanks as always for putting out this announcement. I'm sooooo > sorry that I wasn't able to make the rebirth party for audio > access FM last night. Well, as you know I have been dealing with > a major head cold which has also gone into my head and my chest > and, I thought it was finally gone well, over the weekend it came > back and, it was still there yesterday. > > Yesterday, I had to go to my interview for my new > volunteer/internship job and, when I came home yesterday I was so > exhausted that I went to my bed to get some more rest and, when I > realized on the time I knew that I couldn't stay awake. I know > that I promised you that I would be there and, I should've called > you about this but, my cell phone died and, I didn't charged > until this morning. > > I'm also sorry that I haven't sent out a major press release to > all of my family and friends about the new station but, I will do > it this week. > > Again, I'm sooo sorry but, I will definitely will be there next > week for the show. Take care my dear and, I will talk to you > soon. > > > Hugs, > From Amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:05 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] The Rebirth Of An Online Radio Station Takes > Place Tonight And You're Invited > > Greetings All! > As many of you know, I've been running an online radio station > since June called AudioAccessRadio. > > However, a few of us felt we could upgrade our radio concept a > little, so after being behind closed doors for the weekend, we're > ready to roll out the emerging and soon to be born AudioAccessFM! > And the fun begins tonight! > Starting at 7 PM eastern, you can go to > http://www.audioaccessfm.com > > click on the link to listen, and be part of our rebirth's > starting lineup. > Kicking off the rebirth is Pop Tops With Dennis. This show takes > you on a saphari through pop history by focusing on songs that > made it to top ten or better on billboard, and each song has a > common theme to it on each of the shows. > The theme for tonight will be Sunshine. > > Then at 8 PM eastern, The Djd Invasion takes over the microphone > with An interview with a musician named Blessing Offor > > A wide range of tunes to make you smile including your requests > > The chance for you to win either a 20 dollar amazon gift card or > to play for 50 dollars, follow audioaccessfm on twitter for more > details > > We'll also introduce you to some of the new talent that has > joined our team! Things look very bright and hopeful for our > future! > Participation is easy during my show. I can be reached by aol or > msn messenger at the address live at audioaccessfm.com via twitter > at > > audioaccessfm > via skype at > audio.accessfm > or by email at > djd at audioaccessfm.com > > > I'm very excited about the radio station's rebirth, and I hope to > share it with you. > So, whether you're wanting to hear Pop Tops, my show only at 8 PM > eastern, or both, save this email, and at any time between 7 PM > and either 190 or 11 eastern, visit > http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php > to tune in! > I hope to see you all there! > Best wishes, > David Dunphy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 00:40:47 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:40:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6ea6a7.8124340a.3244.00bf@mx.google.com> Hi=20Ashley, I=20know=20there=20used=20to=20be=20a=20lot=20of=20problems,=20especially=20= in=20the=2070's=20 and=20early=2080's,=20with=20airlines=20taking=20our=20canes=20away=20when= =20we=20get=20 on=20the=20plane.=20=20There=20were=20a=20couple=20NFB=20songs=20written=20= about=20this,=20 and=20I=20wish=20I=20could=20remember=20the=20line=20from=20"Daring=20Young= =20Man=20on=20 the=20Flying=20Trapeze"=20about=20airlines=20taking=20blind=20people's=20ca= nes,=20 but=20unfortunately=20I=20can't,=20nor=20can=20I=20find=20my=20song=20book= =20at=20the=20 moment.=20=20All=20I=20remember=20is=20"But=20we=20say=20our=20white=20cane= s=20will=20 stay."=20The=20Federation=20sued=20United=20Airlines=20about=20this=20in=20= the=20late=20 70's=20(I'm=20not=20sure=20of=20the=20year)=20and=20won.=20=20I=20didn't=20= know,=20however,=20 that=20we=20were=20having=20these=20problems.=20=20If=20we=20really=20are,= =20and=20some=20 people=20are=20just=20overreacting=20to=20the=20fact=20that=20the=20TSA=20s= ecurity=20 agents=20(who,=20by=20the=20way,=20aren't=20employed=20by=20the=20airlines,= =20but=20are=20 government=20employees)=20X-ray=20your=20canes,=20I'd=20suggest=20to=20file= =20a=20 complaint=20with=20the=20airline,=20talk=20to=20the=20NFB,=20or=20both.=20= =20However,=20 it's=20a=20security=20measure=20to=20X-ray=20canes,=20and=20being=20the=20i= ndependent=20 travelers=20we=20are,=20I=20don't=20think=20we=20should=20have=20a=20proble= m=20with=20 that.=20=20Before=20I=20was=20independent=20enough=20to=20do=20this=20on=20= my=20own,=20I=20 would=20ask=20the=20TSA=20agent=20to=20do=20sighted=20guide=20with=20me=20(= after=20 showing=20them=20the=20correct=20technique,=20of=20course)=20to=20the=20oth= er=20side=20 of=20the=20little=20X-ray=20area,=20then=20hand=20the=20cane=20out=20to=20m= e=20when=20they=20 were=20done=20scanning=20it.=20=20Now,=20they=20take=20the=20cane,=20and=20= I=20 independently=20go=20to=20the=20other=20side=20of=20the=20little=20area,=20= find=20the=20 tile,=20and=20wait=20for=20the=20cane.=20=20Just=20my=20two=20cents! Chris =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20=20wrote: Hello=20Joshua=20and=20everyone, Yes.=20=20Keep=20in=20mind=20however=20that=20these=20are=20not=20scheduled= =20flights like=20the airlines.=20=20As=20air=20charter=20clients=20have=20needs=20to=20fly=20to= =20your=20area that=20will determine=20the=20availability=20of=20flights=20to=20where=20you=20need=20t= o=20go being=20offered. Peter=20Donahue -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Joshua=20Lester"=20=20wrote: Hello=20Vejas=20and=20everyone, Private=20air=20travel=20holds=20another=20alternative=20to=20using=20the airlines.=20=20There are=20a=20number=20of=20private=20air=20charter=20services=20that=20sell=20= you=20seats on chartered=20aircraft=20at=20about=20the=20cost=20of=20an=20airline=20ticket= .=20=20As the situation with=20the=20airlines=20degrades=20even=20further=20these=20services=20are expected=20to grow changing=20how=20we=20fly=20in=20the=20future.=20=20From=20having=20talked= =20to=20a number=20of private air=20charter=20companies=20and=20air=20charter=20brokers=20it's=20very=20p= ossible that=20we could=20find=20ourselves=20receiving=20better=20treatment=20by=20these services=20compared to=20that=20we've=20received=20from=20the=20airlines=20over=20the=20years. =20=20=20=20=20For=20starters=20the=20vast=20majority=20of=20air=20charter= =20company=20=20Web Sites=20=20are very=20accessible=20with=20screen=20reading=20software=20and=20are=20easy=20= to navigate.=20=20A recent=20entry=20in=20to=20the=20world=20of=20per-seat=20private=20air=20tr= avel ventures=20is: http://www.socialflights.com =20=20=20=20=20While=20you=20need=20to=20get=20by=20a=20captcha=20in=20the= =20signup=20process their=20Web site is=20very=20accessible=20and=20contains=20lots=20of=20information=20about=20= this company. It's heavily=20integrated=20with=20Facebook=20so=20you'll=20need=20to=20have=20a= Facebook=20Account and=20will=20need=20to=20be=20logged=20in=20before=20registering=20and=20lo= gging=20in to=20Social Flights.=20=20Check=20them=20out=20and=20let's=20take=20air=20travel=20by=20= the=20blind to=20a=20higher level! Peter=20Donahue -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"vejas"=20=20wrote: =20=20Hi=20all, =20=20We=20all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to=20address=20safety= =20and security. But =20=20somehow,=20some=20way,=20those=20terrorists=20got=20through. =20=20We=20were=20attacked=20a=20decade=20ago. =20=20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class=20in=20high=20school=20when=20I=20hea= rd=20the=20news. School=20was =20=20closed=20the=20next=20day.=20=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly=20= where=20the choir, band,=20and =20=20other=20groups=20performed=20to=20commemorate=209/11. =20=20I=20hope=20that=20we=20all=20take=20a=20moment=20to=20reflect=20on=20= it.=20=20I=20will=20be praying=20for =20=20our =20=20country=20and=20everyone?=20safety/security=20on=20the=20anniversary.= =20=20I?=20a=20Christian=20so=20I=20have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20grow= =20stronger=20as=20a nation.=20=20If =20=20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one=20impacted=20by=20the=20attack,=20I=20hop= e=20you recovered somewhat =20=20from=20the=20tragedy. =20=20Some=20pray=20in=20churches,=20others=20are=20going=20to=20public=20m= emorials today=20and =20=20still =20=20others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service=20to=20serve=20the=20country= .=20=20If=20you are=20doing =20=20anything=20different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well=20= for=20you. =20=20Take=20care. =20=20Ashley =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= =20account info=20for =20=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail..com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info=20for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info=20for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info=20for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s atx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt info=20for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 0gmail.com -- Nimer=20M.=20=20Jaber The=20message=20above=20is=20intended=20for=20the=20recipient=20to=20whom=20= it=20was sent. 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Registered=20Linux=20User=20529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux=20testing=20and=20documentation=20coordinator To=20get=20more=20information=20about=20a=20free=20and=20accessible=20opera= ting system, please=20click=20here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To=20find=20out=20about=20a=20free=20and=20versatile=20screen=20reader=20fo= r=20windows XP and=20above,=20please=20click=20here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check=20out=20my=20blog=20related=20to=20technology=20by=20clicking=20here:= http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone:=20(720)=20(251-4530) Please=20reply=20to=20this=20email=20to=20contact=20me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From brlsurfer at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 14:01:18 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:01:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible ebooks Message-ID: <4e6f625b.502be70a.6091.74de@mx.google.com> Hi, Menno. My name is Vejas, and I am from California. I use a Braille-Note for my E-Books (and I read a lot.) Bookshare is a good site to explore. Are you familiar with it? Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menno Schaap" Shouldn't we be done with this thread? It's been going on for three days. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hello Joshua and everyone, Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights like the airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area that will determine the availability of flights to where you need to go being offered. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hello Vejas and everyone, Private air travel holds another alternative to using the airlines. There are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats on chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket.. As the situation with the airlines degrades even further these services are expected to grow changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a number of private air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible that we could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these services compared to that we've received from the airlines over the years. For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web Sites are very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to navigate. A recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel ventures is: http://www.socialflights.com While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process their Web site is very accessible and contains lots of information about this company. It's heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a Facebook Account and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in to Social Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind to a higher level! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "vejas" wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country.. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. 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Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email.. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From brlsurfer at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 14:21:41 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:21:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible ebooks Message-ID: <4e6f6722.97d4e70a.1ee4.0d63@mx.google.com> I have sent your e-mail to the Bookshare site, Menno. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menno Schaap" References: <4e6ea6a7.8124340a.3244.00bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I hate to veer off the given topic, somewhat, but I want to say something about Nimer Jaber's points. #1. Bill ORiley, isn't anyone's puppet. He's endependent. #2. Fox News isn't run by a Republican machine, because both sides of the aisle, are fairly represented, which makes Fox News the most trusted name in news. The ratings prove it! Fox News is #1, while MSNBC, (which I call, MSLSD,) is dead last. That ought to tell you something. Blessings, Joshua On 9/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ashley, > > I know there used to be a lot of problems, especially in the 70's > and early 80's, with airlines taking our canes away when we get > on the plane. There were a couple NFB songs written about this, > and I wish I could remember the line from "Daring Young Man on > the Flying Trapeze" about airlines taking blind people's canes, > but unfortunately I can't, nor can I find my song book at the > moment. All I remember is "But we say our white canes will > stay." The Federation sued United Airlines about this in the late > 70's (I'm not sure of the year) and won. I didn't know, however, > that we were having these problems. If we really are, and some > people are just overreacting to the fact that the TSA security > agents (who, by the way, aren't employed by the airlines, but are > government employees) X-ray your canes, I'd suggest to file a > complaint with the airline, talk to the NFB, or both. However, > it's a security measure to X-ray canes, and being the independent > travelers we are, I don't think we should have a problem with > that. Before I was independent enough to do this on my own, I > would ask the TSA agent to do sighted guide with me (after > showing them the correct technique, of course) to the other side > of the little X-ray area, then hand the cane out to me when they > were done scanning it. Now, they take the cane, and I > independently go to the other side of the little area, find the > tile, and wait for the cane. Just my two cents! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:01:14 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Beth, > What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several > Muslims and if > we stay away from religion, we are okay. > Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know > the outrage > expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was taken > to be > x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and > nothing was > said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard > the problems > from other blind flyers expressed here. Security is a pain, but > it’s a pain > for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all > possible. As > Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the > intrusive > security screening. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM > To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind > Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody > trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack > Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims. I > have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god > knows how many times. > My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any > tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim > veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore. > The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't > want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want > my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their > boots wet over my hair. Thanks. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind > people's > canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been > happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I > have > had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I > know > there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's > the > difference between having the right to be independent and travel > with > a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation > vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some > other > group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction > will > attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has > done, > everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just > be > taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric > but I > can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college > professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... > > Thanks. > > On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights > like the > airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area > that will > determine the availability of flights to where you need to go > being offered. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Do they have services, in Arkansas? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Vejas and everyone, > > Private air travel holds another alternative to using the > airlines. There > are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats > on > chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As > the > situation > with the airlines degrades even further these services are > expected to > grow > changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a > number of > private > air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible > that we > could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these > services compared > to that we've received from the airlines over the years. > For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web > Sites are > very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to > navigate. A > recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel > ventures is: > http://www.socialflights.com > > While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process > their Web > site > is very accessible and contains lots of information about this > company. > It's > heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a > Facebook Account > and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in > to Social > Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind > to a higher > level! > > Peter Donahue > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vejas" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > Although independence is important, I still think our safety is > more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people > will eventually understand our situation and not take away our > canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB > travelers we are. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after > 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. > With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' > bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of > people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had > to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't > particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they > might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white > Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so > good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy > put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. > I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents > did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to > make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of > contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people > who died, but the repercussions that followed. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Thanks Josh, > I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also > be > active. > Vote for whom you believe will > make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and > security is > an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not > a > student > this semester, but will go back for continuing education next > semester at > nova, community college. > > I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police > office if you > haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, > and > meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount > university, just > had security officers. > Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with > friends back > to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such > a > service. > At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to > enter > the dorm; > this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially > at > night. > If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to > a > friend's > home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go > somewhere safe. > Safety is a big priority. > > Okay, that's my tips for now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > Ashley: > Great post! > This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind > students, are probably heading back to college, after being on > vacation. > This security issue is important. > May God bless America. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > We all have varying views on how to address safety and > security. > But > somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. > We were attacked a decade ago. > I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. > School was > closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the > choir, > band, and > other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. > I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be > praying for > our > country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. > I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a > nation. If > you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you > recovered > somewhat > from the tragedy. > > Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials > today and > still > others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you > are doing > anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. > > Take care. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink..net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail..com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s > atx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s > atx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 > 0gmail.com > > > > -- > Nimer M. Jaber > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > sent. > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please > notify > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action > taken > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended > recipient > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files > on my > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held > responsible > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any > instructions > or attachments provided by me. 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Anyway ... On 13.09.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > I hate to veer off the given topic, somewhat, but I want to say > something about Nimer Jaber's points. > #1. Bill ORiley, isn't anyone's puppet. > He's endependent. > #2. Fox News isn't run by a Republican machine, because both sides of > the aisle, are fairly represented, which makes Fox News the most > trusted name in news. > The ratings prove it! > Fox News is #1, while MSNBC, (which I call, MSLSD,) is dead last. > That ought to tell you something. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Ashley, >> >> I know there used to be a lot of problems, especially in the 70's >> and early 80's, with airlines taking our canes away when we get >> on the plane. There were a couple NFB songs written about this, >> and I wish I could remember the line from "Daring Young Man on >> the Flying Trapeze" about airlines taking blind people's canes, >> but unfortunately I can't, nor can I find my song book at the >> moment. All I remember is "But we say our white canes will >> stay." The Federation sued United Airlines about this in the late >> 70's (I'm not sure of the year) and won. I didn't know, however, >> that we were having these problems. If we really are, and some >> people are just overreacting to the fact that the TSA security >> agents (who, by the way, aren't employed by the airlines, but are >> government employees) X-ray your canes, I'd suggest to file a >> complaint with the airline, talk to the NFB, or both. However, >> it's a security measure to X-ray canes, and being the independent >> travelers we are, I don't think we should have a problem with >> that. Before I was independent enough to do this on my own, I >> would ask the TSA agent to do sighted guide with me (after >> showing them the correct technique, of course) to the other side >> of the little X-ray area, then hand the cane out to me when they >> were done scanning it. Now, they take the cane, and I >> independently go to the other side of the little area, find the >> tile, and wait for the cane. Just my two cents! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:01:14 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Beth, >> What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several >> Muslims and if >> we stay away from religion, we are okay. >> Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know >> the outrage >> expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was taken >> to be >> x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and >> nothing was >> said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard >> the problems >> from other blind flyers expressed here. Security is a pain, but >> it’s a pain >> for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all >> possible. As >> Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the >> intrusive >> security screening. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM >> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind >> Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody >> trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack >> Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims. I >> have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god >> knows how many times. >> My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any >> tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim >> veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore. >> The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't >> want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want >> my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their >> boots wet over my hair. Thanks. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind >> people's >> canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been >> happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I >> have >> had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I >> know >> there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's >> the >> difference between having the right to be independent and travel >> with >> a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation >> vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some >> other >> group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction >> will >> attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has >> done, >> everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just >> be >> taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric >> but I >> can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college >> professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... >> >> Thanks. >> >> On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Joshua and everyone, >> >> Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights >> like the >> airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area >> that will >> determine the availability of flights to where you need to go >> being offered. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> >> Do they have services, in Arkansas? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Vejas and everyone, >> >> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the >> airlines. There >> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats >> on >> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As >> the >> situation >> with the airlines degrades even further these services are >> expected to >> grow >> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a >> number of >> private >> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible >> that we >> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these >> services compared >> to that we've received from the airlines over the years. >> For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web >> Sites are >> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to >> navigate. A >> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel >> ventures is: >> http://www.socialflights.com >> >> While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process >> their Web >> site >> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this >> company. >> It's >> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a >> Facebook Account >> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in >> to Social >> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind >> to a higher >> level! >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "vejas" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> >> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is >> more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people >> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our >> canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB >> travelers we are. >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beth > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after >> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. >> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' >> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of >> people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had >> to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't >> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they >> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white >> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so >> good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy >> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. >> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents >> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to >> make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of >> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people >> who died, but the repercussions that followed. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Thanks Josh, >> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also >> be >> active. >> Vote for whom you believe will >> make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and >> security is >> an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not >> a >> student >> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next >> semester at >> nova, community college. >> >> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police >> office if you >> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, >> and >> meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount >> university, just >> had security officers. >> Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with >> friends back >> to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such >> a >> service. >> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to >> enter >> the dorm; >> this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially >> at >> night. >> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to >> a >> friend's >> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go >> somewhere safe. >> Safety is a big priority. >> >> Okay, that's my tips for now. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >> >> Ashley: >> Great post! >> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind >> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on >> vacation. >> This security issue is important. >> May God bless America. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> We all have varying views on how to address safety and >> security. >> But >> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >> We were attacked a decade ago. >> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. >> School was >> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the >> choir, >> band, and >> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be >> praying for >> our >> country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. >> I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a >> nation. If >> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you >> recovered >> somewhat >> from the tragedy. >> >> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials >> today and >> still >> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you >> are doing >> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >> >> Take care. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink..net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail..com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s >> atx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s >> atx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Nimer M. Jaber >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was >> sent. >> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please >> notify >> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action >> taken >> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended >> recipient >> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files >> on my >> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held >> responsible >> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any >> instructions >> or attachments provided by me. 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Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Sep 13 14:46:38 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:46:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: References: <4e6ea6a7.8124340a.3244.00bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I think we need a separate list, for us to discuss political issues, and how they affect us as blind individuals. Blessings, Joshua On 9/13/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > *snort*. Anyway ... > > On 13.09.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I hate to veer off the given topic, somewhat, but I want to say >> something about Nimer Jaber's points. >> #1. Bill ORiley, isn't anyone's puppet. >> He's endependent. >> #2. Fox News isn't run by a Republican machine, because both sides of >> the aisle, are fairly represented, which makes Fox News the most >> trusted name in news. >> The ratings prove it! >> Fox News is #1, while MSNBC, (which I call, MSLSD,) is dead last. >> That ought to tell you something. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> I know there used to be a lot of problems, especially in the 70's >>> and early 80's, with airlines taking our canes away when we get >>> on the plane. There were a couple NFB songs written about this, >>> and I wish I could remember the line from "Daring Young Man on >>> the Flying Trapeze" about airlines taking blind people's canes, >>> but unfortunately I can't, nor can I find my song book at the >>> moment. All I remember is "But we say our white canes will >>> stay." The Federation sued United Airlines about this in the late >>> 70's (I'm not sure of the year) and won. I didn't know, however, >>> that we were having these problems. If we really are, and some >>> people are just overreacting to the fact that the TSA security >>> agents (who, by the way, aren't employed by the airlines, but are >>> government employees) X-ray your canes, I'd suggest to file a >>> complaint with the airline, talk to the NFB, or both. However, >>> it's a security measure to X-ray canes, and being the independent >>> travelers we are, I don't think we should have a problem with >>> that. Before I was independent enough to do this on my own, I >>> would ask the TSA agent to do sighted guide with me (after >>> showing them the correct technique, of course) to the other side >>> of the little X-ray area, then hand the cane out to me when they >>> were done scanning it. Now, they take the cane, and I >>> independently go to the other side of the little area, find the >>> tile, and wait for the cane. Just my two cents! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:01:14 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >>> >>> Beth, >>> What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several >>> Muslims and if >>> we stay away from religion, we are okay. >>> Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know >>> the outrage >>> expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was taken >>> to be >>> x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and >>> nothing was >>> said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard >>> the problems >>> from other blind flyers expressed here. Security is a pain, but >>> it’s a pain >>> for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all >>> possible. As >>> Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the >>> intrusive >>> security screening. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Beth >>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM >>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind >>> Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >>> >>> Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody >>> trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack >>> Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims. I >>> have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god >>> knows how many times. >>> My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any >>> tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim >>> veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore. >>> The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't >>> want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want >>> my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their >>> boots wet over my hair. Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >>> >>> You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind >>> people's >>> canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been >>> happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I >>> have >>> had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I >>> know >>> there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's >>> the >>> difference between having the right to be independent and travel >>> with >>> a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation >>> vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some >>> other >>> group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction >>> will >>> attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has >>> done, >>> everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just >>> be >>> taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric >>> but I >>> can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college >>> professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Joshua and everyone, >>> >>> Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights >>> like the >>> airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area >>> that will >>> determine the availability of flights to where you need to go >>> being offered. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >>> >>> >>> Do they have services, in Arkansas? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Vejas and everyone, >>> >>> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the >>> airlines. There >>> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats >>> on >>> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As >>> the >>> situation >>> with the airlines degrades even further these services are >>> expected to >>> grow >>> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a >>> number of >>> private >>> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible >>> that we >>> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these >>> services compared >>> to that we've received from the airlines over the years. >>> For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web >>> Sites are >>> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to >>> navigate. A >>> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel >>> ventures is: >>> http://www.socialflights.com >>> >>> While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process >>> their Web >>> site >>> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this >>> company. >>> It's >>> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a >>> Facebook Account >>> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in >>> to Social >>> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind >>> to a higher >>> level! >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "vejas" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >>> >>> >>> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is >>> more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people >>> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our >>> canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB >>> travelers we are. >>> Vejas >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Beth >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >>> >>> I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after >>> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. >>> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' >>> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of >>> people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had >>> to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't >>> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they >>> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white >>> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so >>> good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy >>> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. >>> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents >>> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to >>> make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of >>> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people >>> who died, but the repercussions that followed. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >>> >>> Thanks Josh, >>> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also >>> be >>> active. >>> Vote for whom you believe will >>> make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and >>> security is >>> an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not >>> a >>> student >>> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next >>> semester at >>> nova, community college. >>> >>> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police >>> office if you >>> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, >>> and >>> meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount >>> university, just >>> had security officers. >>> Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with >>> friends back >>> to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such >>> a >>> service. >>> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to >>> enter >>> the dorm; >>> this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially >>> at >>> night. >>> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to >>> a >>> friend's >>> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go >>> somewhere safe. >>> Safety is a big priority. >>> >>> Okay, that's my tips for now. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >>> >>> Ashley: >>> Great post! >>> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind >>> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on >>> vacation. >>> This security issue is important. >>> May God bless America. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> We all have varying views on how to address safety and >>> security. >>> But >>> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. >>> We were attacked a decade ago. >>> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. >>> School was >>> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the >>> choir, >>> band, and >>> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. >>> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be >>> praying for >>> our >>> country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. >>> I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a >>> nation. If >>> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you >>> recovered >>> somewhat >>> from the tragedy. >>> >>> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials >>> today and >>> still >>> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you >>> are doing >>> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink..net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail..com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s >>> atx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s >>> atx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nimer M. Jaber >>> >>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was >>> sent. >>> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please >>> notify >>> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action >>> taken >>> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended >>> recipient >>> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files >>> on my >>> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held >>> responsible >>> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any >>> instructions >>> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to >>> you. >>> Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with >>> these >>> instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all >>> copies >>> of this email from your computer. >>> >>> Registered Linux User 529141. >>> http://counter.li.org/ >>> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >>> To get more information about a free and accessible operating >>> system, >>> please click here: >>> http://www.vinuxproject.org >>> >>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows >>> XP >>> and above, please click here: >>> http://www.nvda-project.org >>> >>> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >>> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >>> >>> Phone: (720) (251-4530) >>> Please reply to this email to contact me. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >>> se%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer M. Jaber > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. > Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these > instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies > of this email from your computer. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > Phone: (720) (251-4530) > Please reply to this email to contact me. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 23:51:30 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:51:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box Message-ID: <4e6e9b1a.1242340a.7765.2bd5@mx.google.com> Hey Vejas, Welcome to the list! Are you the Vejas that was at Braille Challenge some of the same years I was? If so, how are you doing? You can email me off list if you want. BTW, there's a list for BrailleNote users, if you don't know about it already. Go to www.list.humanware.com. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas Message-ID: I, When I click on the link for the Braille note users, it gives me a"domain not found" message ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box > Hey Vejas, > > Welcome to the list! Are you the Vejas that was at Braille Challenge some > of the same years I was? If so, how are you doing? You can email me off > list if you want. BTW, there's a list for BrailleNote users, if you don't > know about it already. Go to www.list.humanware.com. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:38:36 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] drop box > > Hi. My name is Vejas. I more a freshman in Mira Costa High > School, in Manhattan Beach, California. > > My school is using a system called DropBox, via www.dropbox.com > to communicate with teachers and students and so that they can > give us work. Have any of you tried downloading, or at least > accessing, DropBox off the BrailleNote? If so, how did you do it? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From carlymih at earthlink.net Tue Sep 13 16:27:05 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:27:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks In-Reply-To: References: <4e6ea6a7.8124340a.3244.00bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110913092036.01cb1228@earthlink.net> Good morning, Joshua, Just how is it that a meaningful discourse is supposed to unfold when, people who happened not to agree lash out with hysterical figments of half truths and falsities, just like those spewed by the likes of FOX news? To call it MS LSD is not only a Fox talking point, but embarrassingly amateur! for today, Car 07:39 AM 9/13/2011, you wrote: >I hate to veer off the given topic, somewhat, but I want to say >something about Nimer Jaber's points. >#1. Bill ORiley, isn't anyone's puppet. >He's endependent. >#2. Fox News isn't run by a Republican machine, because both sides of >the aisle, are fairly represented, which makes Fox News the most >trusted name in news. >The ratings prove it! >Fox News is #1, while MSNBC, (which I call, MSLSD,) is dead last. >That ought to tell you something. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 9/12/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hi Ashley, > > > > I know there used to be a lot of problems, especially in the 70's > > and early 80's, with airlines taking our canes away when we get > > on the plane. There were a couple NFB songs written about this, > > and I wish I could remember the line from "Daring Young Man on > > the Flying Trapeze" about airlines taking blind people's canes, > > but unfortunately I can't, nor can I find my song book at the > > moment. All I remember is "But we say our white canes will > > stay." The Federation sued United Airlines about this in the late > > 70's (I'm not sure of the year) and won. I didn't know, however, > > that we were having these problems. If we really are, and some > > people are just overreacting to the fact that the TSA security > > agents (who, by the way, aren't employed by the airlines, but are > > government employees) X-ray your canes, I'd suggest to file a > > complaint with the airline, talk to the NFB, or both. However, > > it's a security measure to X-ray canes, and being the independent > > travelers we are, I don't think we should have a problem with > > that. Before I was independent enough to do this on my own, I > > would ask the TSA agent to do sighted guide with me (after > > showing them the correct technique, of course) to the other side > > of the little X-ray area, then hand the cane out to me when they > > were done scanning it. Now, they take the cane, and I > > independently go to the other side of the little area, find the > > tile, and wait for the cane. Just my two cents! > > > > Chris > > > > Chris Nusbaum > > > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > > www.icanfoundation.info for > > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:01:14 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > > Beth, > > What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several > > Muslims and if > > we stay away from religion, we are okay. > > Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know > > the outrage > > expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was taken > > to be > > x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and > > nothing was > > said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard > > the problems > > from other blind flyers expressed here. Security is a pain, but > > it’s a pain > > for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all > > possible. As > > Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the > > intrusive > > security screening. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Beth > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM > > To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind > > Students mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > > Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody > > trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack > > Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims. I > > have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god > > knows how many times. > > My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any > > tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim > > veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore. > > The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't > > want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want > > my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their > > boots wet over my hair. Thanks. > > Beth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > > You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind > > people's > > canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been > > happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I > > have > > had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I > > know > > there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's > > the > > difference between having the right to be independent and travel > > with > > a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation > > vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some > > other > > group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction > > will > > attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has > > done, > > everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just > > be > > taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric > > but I > > can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college > > professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ... > > > > Thanks. > > > > On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue wrote: > > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > > > Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights > > like the > > airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area > > that will > > determine the availability of flights to where you need to go > > being offered. > > > > Peter Donahue > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > > > > Do they have services, in Arkansas? > > Thanks, Joshua > > > > On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > > Hello Vejas and everyone, > > > > Private air travel holds another alternative to using the > > airlines. There > > are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats > > on > > chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As > > the > > situation > > with the airlines degrades even further these services are > > expected to > > grow > > changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a > > number of > > private > > air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible > > that we > > could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these > > services compared > > to that we've received from the airlines over the years. > > For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web > > Sites are > > very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to > > navigate. A > > recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel > > ventures is: > > http://www.socialflights.com > > > > While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process > > their Web > > site > > is very accessible and contains lots of information about this > > company. > > It's > > heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a > > Facebook Account > > and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in > > to Social > > Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind > > to a higher > > level! > > > > Peter Donahue > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "vejas" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > > > > Although independence is important, I still think our safety is > > more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people > > will eventually understand our situation and not take away our > > canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB > > travelers we are. > > Vejas > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Beth > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > > I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after > > 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad. > > With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies' > > bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of > > people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had > > to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't > > particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they > > might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white > > Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so > > good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy > > put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues. > > I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents > > did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to > > make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of > > contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people > > who died, but the repercussions that followed. > > Beth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > > Thanks Josh, > > I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also > > be > > active. > > Vote for whom you believe will > > make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and > > security is > > an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not > > a > > student > > this semester, but will go back for continuing education next > > semester at > > nova, community college. > > > > I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police > > office if you > > haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is, > > and > > meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount > > university, just > > had security officers. > > Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with > > friends back > > to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such > > a > > service. > > At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to > > enter > > the dorm; > > this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially > > at > > night. > > If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to > > a > > friend's > > home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go > > somewhere safe. > > Safety is a big priority. > > > > Okay, that's my tips for now. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > > > > Ashley: > > Great post! > > This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind > > students, are probably heading back to college, after being on > > vacation. > > This security issue is important. > > May God bless America. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Hi all, > > We all have varying views on how to address safety and > > security. > > But > > somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. > > We were attacked a decade ago. > > I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. > > School was > > closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the > > choir, > > band, and > > other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. > > I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be > > praying for > > our > > country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. > > I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a > > nation. If > > you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you > > recovered > > somewhat > > from the tragedy. > > > > Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials > > today and > > still > > others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you > > are doing > > anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. > > > > Take care. > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > > 0students.pccua.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info > > for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > > 0earthlink..net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info > > for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > > se%40gmail..com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s > > atx.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > > 0students.pccua.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s > > atx.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 > > 0gmail.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Nimer M. Jaber > > > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was > > sent. > > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please > > notify > > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action > > taken > > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended > > recipient > > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files > > on my > > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held > > responsible > > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any > > instructions > > or attachments provided by me. 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While many airports are large in size, they are essentially a contained area. Unlike many outdoor areas, an airport is enclosed so eventually, you have to turn around, or there aren't moving vehicles, or you can't keep walking into the sunset. Ha-ha! At some point, you start to walk in a circle! Now, if you're using proper, safe cane techniques, outdoor travel really isn't that difficult, but for many, learning in an enclosed space with barriers, A. K. A walls, that will eventually keep you from traveling the globe, though hopping on an airplane will accomplish this *grin* is a less nerve-racking environment in which to practice independent travel skills. True, there will be people, kiosks, seats, and a number of other obstacles you have to navigate, but if you stop and calm down and think about it, when using a cane properly, what's the worse thing that can happen? You go the wrong direction? Big deal; you just figure your direction out and keep moving! Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:51:03 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Flying with a Cane Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, Since I travel to visit family a lot, and attend NFB and psychology meetings on a regular basis, I have become a very frequent flyer. Over the past two years I flew, on average, once a month and almost all those flights were solo. I have been flying alone for several years and have never had any serious problems with airline officials beyond the nuisance of being asked repeatedly if I need assistance. Although independent air travel used to be rough, I do believe that things have gotten much better with the passage of the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act. In security I do place my cane on the X-ray belt along with my luggage, shoes and laptop. A security official guides me by voice, hand or both so I can get through the detector without bumping into it. I then retrieve my cane on the other side with my belongings and don't think much of it. The distance I have to walk without my cane is very minimal. Like others have said I will insist on keeping my cane during the flight, however, for the simple reason that should I need to evacuate the plane, I need to have my cane with me and I will not have time to try to find it in the overhead bin. If I am traveling with a folding cane I will fold it up and stash it under the seat in front of me. If I am using a straight cane I lay it on the floor between the window seat and the window, running parallel to the window. If I don't have a window seat and someone is already seated there when I board, I simply ask this passenger to do this for me. This has never caused any problems. It's important to remember that no matter what a flight attendant might tell you, you have a legal right to place your cane next to the window. You also have a legal right to refuse any assistance offered to you at the airport, including escorts, wheelchairs, and pre-boarding. I think there was only one time when I actually had to remind an airport official about this I have navigated airports throughout the country without an official escort and have done so for the past five years with only one exception (when I was flying back from Australia and had limited time to make a connection). Bear in mind, I am not a stellar traveler, and I started navigating airports on my own before I had good travel training. The interior of an airport is a safe place to travel independently even if you have little travel experience because there are so many people from whom to gather information. I have posted before on this list about techniques I use in the airport and I'd be happy to correspond with anyone privately if you want to know more detail about how I do it or have specific questions. Best, Arielle From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Tue Sep 13 21:10:20 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:10:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Flying out of the country In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a really good question. I'm curious to hear other experiences about traveling abroad. Airports may still hold to certain rights or laws as we do in America, but countries themselves don't. While visiting another country, a friend was outraged when he wasn't allowed to enter places with his service dog. He ranted and raved about rights and regulations, thankfully not in the presence of people from this country, but I finally had to remind him that American laws don't always apply in other countries. It was a sobering fact for a lot of people because we hadn't really thought about it before. Another blind person I know traveled to China to complete the process to adopt a child from there. Disability, blindness in particular, is apparently viewed as a curse in many Asian countries. I've never been able to determine if this is an accepted concept, or just left-over superstitious ideas steeped in a culture once adhering to such ideas, as most cultures, ours included, once did. Regardless, it is now illegal for blind people to adopt from most Asian countries. Anyway, my friend and his newly adopted daughter were both blind, and people would often follow them around shops or restaurants wiping surfaces up they had touched to "get rid" of any trace of the "curse" that could contaminate others. And this is if they were allowed inside to begin with. Let me follow this by saying I'm not posting with the intent to create propaganda supporting racism or denouncing one culture; if this was my intent, I'd begin with America. I simply am pointing out that once we leave American soil, we don't always retain the same privileges and rights afforded us here; of course many of these should be givens, hence why I'd make America my first target on a pamphlet causing anti-establishment propaganda . *smirk* I wonder if others have encountered situations while visiting another country, and how you handled it. I think it is important for us as blind people to be aware of other cultures and how they view blindness, and discover what, if any, rights we have to assert if finding ourselves in sticky situations. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:13:22 -0500 From: Ashley To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Flying with a Cane Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Arielle, I too have traveled quite a bit in the past, and am a big fan of doing so as independently as possible. There were many times I have refused assistance in an airport setting, but was not aware of that act, giving us the legal right to do so. This is interesting and I will keep it in mind. However, I do have a question, and would like some opinions on this. I have traveled independently countless times, to conventions and suchh, aand the most was to Washington seminar. However, I am going to be traveling outside of the country. I would like to try to retain my independence as much as possible, and would like some advice. I am traveling with American Airlines, which I have not really used in the past. When i made my reservation, I requested assistance, because I was not sure what things would be like, or if they would be the same at all, especially in another country. However, I would love to be able to increase my self asteme by doing what I can independently. I feel more confident now than I did when i made the reservation, would it be possible to let them know I wouldn't be needing it? in that case, without it, what kind of advice can you give me about independent tavel abroad. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 21:29:06 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:29:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6fcb3a.2225340a.01cd.53ca@mx.google.com> Oh...=20=20fun!=20That's=20why=20you've=20got=20to=20do=20your=20own=20rese= arch=20and=20 learn=20the=20real=20truth,=20then=20have=20the=20courage=20to=20debate=20t= hose=20 brainwashers=20(I=20mean,=20instructors)=20until=20they=20know=20that=20you= =20learn=20 the=20truth=20on=20your=20own,=20and=20you're=20not=20falling=20for=20their= ..=20=20crap.=20=20 But=20people=20are=20going=20to=20get=20mad=20at=20us=20soon,=20so=20email= =20me=20off=20list!=20 LOL! Chris =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Joshua, =20While=20I'm=20a=20fellow=20conservative,=20I=20don't=20think=20you=20can= =20ever=20get=20 a =20liberal=20to=20watch=20Bill=20oReilly.=20=20Probably=20they'll=20pay=205= =20bucks=20a =20month=20for=20Glenn=20Beck's=20GBTV=20before=20they=20watch=20oReilly,=20= LOL!=20But =20that's=20an=20offlist=20discussion. =20=20Chris=20Nusbaum =20"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20ey= esight.=20=20The =20real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20educati= on=20that =20exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20a= nd =20opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical= =20nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National =20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at: =20www.icanfoundation.info=20for =20information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20a= nd=20 visually =20impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20=20Good=20afternoon,=20List, =20=20Just=20because=20Americans=20were=20the=20souls=20who =20=20perished=20in=20the=20blasts,=20the=20universe=20is=20somehow, =20=20expected=20to=20change?=20Folks=20die=20daily=20usually=20at =20=20the=20hands=20of=20American=20interests.=20=20Imagine=20the =20=20scales=20of=20life,=20finding=20equivalence?At=2012:26=20PM =20=209/11/2011,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20wrote: =20Hi=20all,=20We=20all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to =20address=20safety=20and=20security.=20=20But=20somehow,=20some =20way,=20those=20terrorists=20got=20through.=20=20We=20were =20attacked=20a=20decade=20ago.=20=20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class =20in=20high=20school=20when=20I=20heard=20the=20news.=20=20School=20was =20closed=20the=20next=20day.=20=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly =20where=20the=20choir,=20band,=20and=20other=20groups =20performed=20to=20commemorate=209/11.=20=20I=20hope=20that=20we =20all=20take=20a=20moment=20to=20reflect=20on=20it.=20=20I=20will=20be =20praying=20for=20our=20country=20and=20everyone=92s =20safety/security=20on=20the=20anniversary.=20=20I=92m=20a =20Christian=20so=20I=20have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20grow =20stronger=20as=20a=20nation.=20=20If=20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one =20impacted=20by=20the=20attack,=20I=20hope=20you=20recovered =20somewhat=20from=20the=20tragedy.=20=20Some=20pray=20in =20churches,=20others=20are=20going=20to=20public=20memorials =20today=20and=20still=20others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service =20to=20serve=20the=20country.=20=20If=20you=20are=20doing=20anything =20different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well=20for =20you.=20=20Take=20care.=20=20Ashley =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get =20your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea =20rthlink.net =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= =20account =20info=20for =20=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 =200students.pccua.edu =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau =20m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 00:03:03 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:03:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6e9dcf.24ae340a.3a68.ffffa6d8@mx.google.com> Hi Beth, I understand your frustrations, and I have many of the same frustrations with airports. But I think it goes back to the old adage that it's "better to be safe than sorry." We don't want another 9-11, and so they beef up security. Anyway, I think that while this is a good and interesting thread, we might want to take it off this list before somebody says it's way off topic. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth wrote: Hi all, We all have varying views on how to address safety and security. But somehow, some way, those terrorists got through. We were attacked a decade ago. I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news. School was closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the choir, band, and other groups performed to commemorate 9/11. I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be praying for our country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary. I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a nation. If you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you recovered somewhat from the tragedy. Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials today and still others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you are doing anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. 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Name: attachment Type: application/octet-stream Size: 304 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Sep 13 21:44:14 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:44:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Flying out of the country In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06F15998E91B46DA87D545CFC57FF1CE@OwnerPC> Bridgit, I thought this was a good post with a nice anecdote to illustrate cultural differences. Its not about race or cultural superiority. I had heard Asian cultures did have negative attitudes about blindness. But, wow, what a lot of discrimination that occurred with this blind dad and daughter. People following them around and wiping up surfaces and barring them from restaurants is shocking. It would not happen here. You are so right that once we leave America, we do not always have the same rights and priveleges we do in this country. I think a blind person would be better off accepting help going through a foreign airport due to the language and cultural barriers. Its not like you can easily ask for directions there. But everyone has to decide for themselves. Once walking around that country, you just have to educate, I guess and do the best you can despite ingrained social attitudes. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:10 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Flying out of the country This is a really good question. I'm curious to hear other experiences about traveling abroad. Airports may still hold to certain rights or laws as we do in America, but countries themselves don't. While visiting another country, a friend was outraged when he wasn't allowed to enter places with his service dog. He ranted and raved about rights and regulations, thankfully not in the presence of people from this country, but I finally had to remind him that American laws don't always apply in other countries. It was a sobering fact for a lot of people because we hadn't really thought about it before. Another blind person I know traveled to China to complete the process to adopt a child from there. Disability, blindness in particular, is apparently viewed as a curse in many Asian countries. I've never been able to determine if this is an accepted concept, or just left-over superstitious ideas steeped in a culture once adhering to such ideas, as most cultures, ours included, once did. Regardless, it is now illegal for blind people to adopt from most Asian countries. Anyway, my friend and his newly adopted daughter were both blind, and people would often follow them around shops or restaurants wiping surfaces up they had touched to "get rid" of any trace of the "curse" that could contaminate others. And this is if they were allowed inside to begin with. Let me follow this by saying I'm not posting with the intent to create propaganda supporting racism or denouncing one culture; if this was my intent, I'd begin with America. I simply am pointing out that once we leave American soil, we don't always retain the same privileges and rights afforded us here; of course many of these should be givens, hence why I'd make America my first target on a pamphlet causing anti-establishment propaganda . *smirk* I wonder if others have encountered situations while visiting another country, and how you handled it. I think it is important for us as blind people to be aware of other cultures and how they view blindness, and discover what, if any, rights we have to assert if finding ourselves in sticky situations. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:13:22 -0500 From: Ashley To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Flying with a Cane Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Arielle, I too have traveled quite a bit in the past, and am a big fan of doing so as independently as possible. There were many times I have refused assistance in an airport setting, but was not aware of that act, giving us the legal right to do so. This is interesting and I will keep it in mind. However, I do have a question, and would like some opinions on this. I have traveled independently countless times, to conventions and suchh, aand the most was to Washington seminar. However, I am going to be traveling outside of the country. I would like to try to retain my independence as much as possible, and would like some advice. I am traveling with American Airlines, which I have not really used in the past. When i made my reservation, I requested assistance, because I was not sure what things would be like, or if they would be the same at all, especially in another country. However, I would love to be able to increase my self asteme by doing what I can independently. I feel more confident now than I did when i made the reservation, would it be possible to let them know I wouldn't be needing it? in that case, without it, what kind of advice can you give me about independent tavel abroad. Any help would be greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brlsurfer at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 22:06:14 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:06:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box Message-ID: <4e6fd403.cb32e70a.6d61.ffff9cc0@mx.google.com> Hi, Chris, I'm doing well. Yes, I am the Vejas from the Braille Challenge. How is Jason Polanski? Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum Message-ID: To those who keep complaining about the 9/11 threads, be proactive and start something new instead of complaining. And others have moved on. We've discussed flying with a cane, traveling independently around an airport, E-books online and the relaunch of a web radio show. The only obsessing I continue to see on this thread is those bitching about it, and worse, those veering off with ridiculous, partisan comments, and since I'm on it now, to each his own. You conservatives go on and on about liberal agendas, but conservatives have agendas too- that's how politics work. And if one group wants to organize and inform, then other groups must be afforded the same opportunity. Just like two organizations of the blind. So get off the soap boxes and realize this forum has no place for partisan agendas especially when it degenerates into attacks and name-calling. Once again, grow up. And now I'm going against my own suggestion of leaving this sh*# to the moderator. Geesh, look what this reduces me to... Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:08:42 -0700 From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e6f6422.8e42e70a.0b59.6a4d at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Shouldn't we be done with this thread? It's been going on for three days. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 23:31:58 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:31:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box In-Reply-To: <4e6fd403.cb32e70a.6d61.ffff9cc0@mx.google.com> References: <4e6fd403.cb32e70a.6d61.ffff9cc0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Vejas, Cool! Jason is doing well. I just saw him a couple weeks ago. Are you on Facebook? If so, search for Christopher Nusbaum and you should find me. Please email me off list so we can catch up! Chris On 9/13/11, vejas wrote: > Hi, Chris, I'm doing well. Yes, I am the Vejas from the Braille > Challenge. How is Jason Polanski? > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:51:30 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box > > Hey Vejas, > > Welcome to the list! Are you the Vejas that was at Braille > Challenge some of the same years I was? If so, how are you doing? > You can email me off list if you want. BTW, there's a list for > BrailleNote users, if you don't know about it already. Go to > www.list.humanware.com. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:38:36 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] drop box > > Hi. My name is Vejas. I more a freshman in Mira Costa High > School, in Manhattan Beach, California. > > My school is using a system called DropBox, via www.dropbox.com > to communicate with teachers and students and so that they can > give us work. Have any of you tried downloading, or at least > accessing, DropBox off the BrailleNote? If so, how did you do it? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brlsurfer%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Tue Sep 13 23:41:53 2011 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:41:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news from my DSO and new question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bridget, What is your friend using on the Windows side to terminal into Unix? VI is a good text editor. I also have used Edit Pad Lite to write code and then ported the files over into Unix for compilation. I hope this is helpful. Feel free to write me off list if necessary. I apologize for the lateness of this reply. Take care. Liz Bottner Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:59 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news from my DSO and new question David, I completely agree with your statement. It would be nice to move on from this thread especially since it seems as though Joshua and Peter have amicably resolved this situation, and it looks like Joshua has good avenues to pursue in efforts to get his necessary school material. So, that being said, question to anyone using and/or studying UNIX have a friend taking a computer science class, and they have to access UNIX through a terminal service windows. They're connecting to UNIX from their PC, and they are a JAWS user. The question is two-fold: Does, or has, anyone used a screenreading software specific to UNIX (I can't remember the name) and if so, how helpful is it? And if a person is using JAWS and a Braille display, is it still worth spending money to have the software specific to UNIX? Thus far, they are using JAWS (they have to use the JAWS cursor) in combination with a Braille display to use UNIX. They are curious about how much more helpful a specific screenreader would be. Obviously they don't want to spend money that's not necessary if their current way of accessing the program works, but they also want to be as successful and proficient with it as possible. Thanks. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 27 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:41:36 -0400 From: David Dodge To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We are free to say whatever we'd like and thank goodness for that. I just sometimes think we should think about what we say a little more often. No one has to agree with me. David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai l.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 03:48:17 2011 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:48:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Flying out of the country In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have done some traveling abroad alone and to be honest, I found it easiest to accept help when possible. Even in a country like England, where I speak the language and you would assume things are similar to the U.S., I was intimidated by not knowing exactly what to do. This may have been more related to my newness at traveling abroad than my independent travel skills though. Traveling to central asia, I also requested assistance. I did not speak the language and airport behavior was extremely different than anything I had been exposed to before. When getting off the plane, the passengers literally crush to the front of the plane to get off. A helpful flight attendant forced his way back through the crowd to help me not get trampled (and I'm not a small guy). We then rushed onto a people mover, where we also crushed in on one another. When we got to the terminal, the entire plane was attempting to force its way through a set of double doors into the building. As we passed through, someone took our temperature by putting a thermometer in the crook of my elbow. Not being able to speak the language, I was rather disturbed when someone grabbed my arm, put something up against my arm, and then pulled my wrist back toward my body. All that to say, the airport was a zoo. Assistance was vital to get through there. I was not brave enough to try crossing streets while there. The roads have lines and there are traffic signals, but they are more suggestions than anything else. I talked to a blind man who had grown up in that city and he assured me that blind people get around on their own. With such unpredictable traffic, I'm not sure how they do it. In general, people with disabilities were treated with some measure of superstition. Although, this wasn't true for blind people. I'm not exactly sure why. On the other end of the spectrum, I studied abroad in Spain and was pleasantly surprised at how similar the laws protecting guide dogs were. I probably had less access issues with my Seeing Eye dog in Spain than I did at home in the south. Anyway, those are some of my experiences. I would also like to hear about other people's experiences. -Greg On Sep 13, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > This is a really good question. I'm curious to hear other experiences > about traveling abroad. Airports may still hold to certain rights or > laws as we do in America, but countries themselves don't. > > While visiting another country, a friend was outraged when he wasn't > allowed to enter places with his service dog. He ranted and raved about > rights and regulations, thankfully not in the presence of people from > this country, but I finally had to remind him that American laws don't > always apply in other countries. It was a sobering fact for a lot of > people because we hadn't really thought about it before. > > Another blind person I know traveled to China to complete the process to > adopt a child from there. Disability, blindness in particular, is > apparently viewed as a curse in many Asian countries. I've never been > able to determine if this is an accepted concept, or just left-over > superstitious ideas steeped in a culture once adhering to such ideas, as > most cultures, ours included, once did. Regardless, it is now illegal > for blind people to adopt from most Asian countries. > > Anyway, my friend and his newly adopted daughter were both blind, and > people would often follow them around shops or restaurants wiping > surfaces up they had touched to "get rid" of any trace of the "curse" > that could contaminate others. And this is if they were allowed inside > to begin with. > > Let me follow this by saying I'm not posting with the intent to create > propaganda supporting racism or denouncing one culture; if this was my > intent, I'd begin with America. I simply am pointing out that once we > leave American soil, we don't always retain the same privileges and > rights afforded us here; of course many of these should be givens, hence > why I'd make America my first target on a pamphlet causing > anti-establishment propaganda . *smirk* > > I wonder if others have encountered situations while visiting another > country, and how you handled it. I think it is important for us as blind > people to be aware of other cultures and how they view blindness, and > discover what, if any, rights we have to assert if finding ourselves in > sticky situations. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 21 > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:13:22 -0500 > From: Ashley > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Flying with a Cane > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Arielle, > > I too have traveled quite a bit in the past, and am a big fan of doing > so as independently as possible. There were many times I have refused > assistance in an airport setting, but was not aware of that act, > giving us the legal right to do so. This is interesting and I will > keep it in mind. However, I do have a question, and would like some > opinions on this. I have traveled independently countless times, to > conventions and suchh, aand the most was to Washington seminar. > However, I am going to be traveling outside of the country. I would > like to try to retain my independence as much as possible, and would > like some advice. I am traveling with American Airlines, which I have > not really used in the past. When i made my reservation, I requested > assistance, because I was not sure what things would be like, or if > they would be the same at all, especially in another country. However, > I would love to be able to increase my self asteme by doing what I can > independently. I feel more confident now than I did when i made the > reservation, would it be possible to let them know I wouldn't be > needing it? in that case, without it, what kind of advice can you give > me about independent tavel abroad. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From agrima at nbp.org Wed Sep 14 14:48:18 2011 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:48:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Phonics Readers in large print/braille Message-ID: <006a01cc72ed$576b09b0$06411d10$@org> Primary Phonics, Set 3 Barbara Makar/Educators Publishing Service Large print, contracted braille, uncontracted braille and pictures (all on the same page), $24 Ages 4-8 These books, published by Educators Publishing Service, have provided the first reading experience for millions of students. National Braille Press has made them truly accessible: each page includes the large-print text, illustration, and both uncontracted and contracted braille. Children will enjoy the satisfaction that comes from reading a short story independently. Set 3 covers: initial consonant blends; final consonant blends; compound words; two-syllable words; twin consonants; consonant digraph ck; consonant x; sight words; and plural -s. To order or read more about this book online, visit http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/PHONICS-III.html For even more reading and phonics practice, get the previous sets! Phonics Readers, Set 1 http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/PHONICS.html Phonics Readers, Set 2 http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/PHONICS-II.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . From golfereric at comcast.net Wed Sep 14 18:50:52 2011 From: golfereric at comcast.net (Eric Gaudes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:50:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jay Lodge Question Message-ID: <628EE4066914418A933D58767B43A82B@SCHOOLLAPTOP> Maureen, >From reading the specs that you sent me it mentioned the use of McFee antivirus software. I was wondring if you knew of anyone that uses Norton Antivirus software for these type of work at home jobs? The reason I ask about this is I had another laptop about 6 years ago and it had McFee antivirus aand I got a Trojan virus on the laptop which made that computer useless, I'm just trying to avoid this from happening again. Thanks, Eric Gaudes From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 20:49:17 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:49:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box Message-ID: <4e711367.f318340a.017b.ffffa833@mx.google.com> Ok, mee too. I agree, you'd have to use the Web site unless you use the program on a PC with the BrailleNote as a braille display. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas I agree completely, Bridgit! Thank you for bringing us back to reason! LOL! Anybody have any ideas on a new thread? Chris P.S. I'm surprised Dave Andrews hasn't said anything about this. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Hi Arielle, Thanks for the information! This is great! I have a question on this for anybody who flies independently: how do you retrieve the right luggage from the carousel? In other words, how do you know which luggage is yours? Thanks! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman Hi Menno, Firstly, welcome to the list! As I tell any new member, feel free to ask any questions you'd like. We're here to help! Now, to your question, if you want a DTB (digital talking book) player, I'd suggest the Victor Reader Stream (the Stream for short) from HumanWare. This can read DAISY, EPUB, and other formats. It's also very portable, which is great for on-the-go reading. You could also buy the BookPort from American Printing House for the Blind or the BookSense from HIMS. If you have a notetaker, such as a BrailleNote, BrailleSense, or PacMate, you can also read a lot of types of digital books. To read eBooks with a computer and a screen reader, I highly recommend KNFB Reading Technology's Blio program. It has over 3 million free books and thousands of what they call bookstore books, or books you have to pay for. Are you a US citizen studying in the Netherlands? If not, this wouldn't apply to you, as you wouldn't be eligible for the program. But if you are, you can get the National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped (NLS) digital talking book (DTB) player for free from your local Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped (LBPH,) or the one you are registered as a patron of in the US. As you can see, you have a lot of options for eBooks. Again, welcome to the list! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Menno Schaap" Ashley, That=20is...=20=20an=20amazing=20post!!!=20God=20bless=20America! =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20,"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20 Students=20mailing=20list"=20=20wrote: =20Hi,=20Ashley, =20Is=20it=20me,=20or=20does=20an=20idea=20persist=20that=20for=20a=20mere =20fact=20that=20those=20who=20suffred=20on=209/11=20happened=20to =20be=20American=20in=20nationality=20or=20white=20in =20race,=20=20somehow=20make=20it=20more=20of=20a=20tragedy?=20As=20I =20have=20said,=20America=20murders=20innocents=20=20in=20it's =20drone=20and=20other=20atacks=20(for=20the=20uninitiated, =20drone=20attacks=20refer=20to=20a=20methodical=20killing=20via=20a =20machine),=20on=20a=20daily=20freaking=20basis=20yet,=20who=20can =20cry=20for=20those=20so=20unfortunate=20as=20to=20not=20be=20born=20Ameri= can,=20or=20 white? =20And=20J.=20=20Lester=20I=20have=20absolutely=20ZERO=20interest=20in =20watching=20a=20blow=20hard=20like=20Bill=20O'Reilly=20even=20if =20it=20remains=20a=20perscription=20of=20your's. =20=20=20OOryleAt=2008:04=20PM=209/11/2011,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20wrote: Carley,=20Yes=20lives=20are=20lost=20due=20to=20American military=20actions.=20=20Whether=20fighting=20where=20we=20do is=20right=20or=20wrong=20is=20a=20political=20comment=20so=20=20I will=20not=20go=20there.=20=20But=20two=20wrongs=20do=20not=20make=20a right.=20=20The=20fact=20is=20we=20have=20terrorists=20out=20there who=20want=20to=20destroy=20us=20even=20though=20we=20did=20not touch=20them.=20=20Remember=20911=20was=20a=20peaceful=20calm day.=20=20Everyone=20was=20at=20work=20or=20school=20going=20about their=20normal=20business.=20=20Then=20without=20warning,=20we had=20these=20morning=20attacks.=20=20They=20attacked=20us=20and there=20was=20dying=20for=20no=20reason.=20=20They=20killed innocent=20people.=20=20I=20was=20watching=20the=20news=20tonight and=20it=20highlighted=20the=20stories=20of=20children, first=20responders,=20journalists=20and=20survivors.=20=20For instance=20one=20lady=20is=20now=20going=20to=20college,=20but as=20a=20kid,=20she=20was=20impacted.=20=20Her=20mother=20worked=20in the=20pentagon=20and=20died=20that=20day.=20=20She=20spoke=20about having=20to=20grow=20up=20fast=20and=20take=20on=20more=20adult responsibilities.=20=20She=20had=20to=20put=20her=20college degree=20on=20hold.=20=20Instead=20she=20got=20a=20job=20to=20help she=20and=20her=20family=20out.=20=20She=20tried=20to=20be=20strong and=20hide=20her=20feelings=20as=20she=20became=20the=20woman=20of the=20house=20to=20replace=20her=20mother.=20=20Now=20she=20goes=20to school=20online=20and=20is=20a=20part=20time=20singer.=20=20She still=20misses=20her=20mother,=20but=20tries=20to=20go=20on=20with life=20with=20her=20dad=20and=20remaining=20family;=20after all,=20her=20mom=20would=20want=20that.=20=20That=20is=20just=20one story--=20one=20girl=20whose=20life=20was=20changed=20forever. Many=20kids=20lost=20a=20parent=20in=20the=20attack;=20others lost=20their=20spouse.=20=20Oh,=20and=20I=20know=20a=20blind employee=20who=20was=20there=20and=20had=20to=20evacuate=20from the=20pentagon.=20=20He=20felt=20lost=20outside=20a=20different exit=20and=20it=20was=20a=20mob=20scene.=20=20Someone=20assisted him=20outside=20to=20find=20the=20bus=20stop=20or=20something.=20=20I was=20glad=20he=20got=20out=20safely.=20=20So=20that=20is=20something to=20think=20about.=20=20Of=20course=20you=20are=20entitled=20to your=20opinion.=20=20But=20I=20hope=20we=20can=20aknowledge=20the suffering=20the=20country=20went=20through=20as=20well=20as the=20innocent=20people=20who=20die=20every=20day=20here=20and abroad.=20=20Ashley=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From: Carly=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20September=2011,=202011=209:24=20PM To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students mailing=20list=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind Students=20mailing=20list=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l] reflecting=20on=20the=20attacks=20Good=20afternoon,=20List, Just=20because=20Americans=20were=20the=20souls=20who perished=20in=20the=20blasts,=20the=20universe=20is=20somehow, expected=20to=20change?=20Folks=20die=20daily=20usually=20at the=20hands=20of=20American=20interests.=20=20Imagine=20the scales=20of=20life,=20finding=20equivalence?At=2012:26=20PM 9/11/2011,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20wrote:=20>Hi=20all,=20We all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to=20address=20safety and=20security.=20=20>But=20somehow,=20some=20way,=20those terrorists=20got=20through.=20=20We=20were=20attacked a=20>decade=20ago.=20=20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class=20in=20high school=20when=20I=20heard=20the=20news.=20=20>School=20was=20closed the=20next=20day.=20=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly=20where the=20choir,=20>band,=20and=20other=20groups=20performed=20to commemorate=209/11.=20=20I=20hope=20that=20we=20all=20>take=20a moment=20to=20reflect=20on=20it.=20=20I=20will=20be=20praying=20for our=20country=20and=20>everyone=C3=A2=80=99s=20safety/security on=20the=20anniversary.=20=20I=C3=A2=80=E2=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m=20a=20Chri= stian=20so I=20>have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20grow=20stronger=20as=20a nation.=20=20If=20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one=20>impacted=20by=20the attack,=20I=20hope=20you=20recovered=20somewhat=20from=20the tragedy.=20=20>Some=20pray=20in=20churches,=20others=20are going=20to=20public=20memorials=20today=20and still=20>others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service=20to=20serve the=20country.=20=20If=20you=20are=20doing=20>anything different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well=20for you.=20=20Take=20care.=20=20>Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20>nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20>unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for nabs-l:=20>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l _nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net For=20me,=20it's=20the=20last=20period=20of=20the=20day.=20=20And=20my=20le= ast=20favorite=20 teacher=20is=20somehow=20my=20homeroom=20teacher=20a=20lot=20of=20times.=20= =20Anyway... =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Nimer, =20Good=20post.=20=20And=20this=20will=20probably=20be=20the=20last=20I'll= =20say. =20You=20included=20Fox=20and=20MSNBC=20in=20your=20points=20which=20makes= =20your=20point=20 more =20nonpartisan. =20You're=20right. =20"We=20should=20honor=20their=20memories=20by=20not=20allowing=20any=20in= dividual=20 to =20terrorize=20America=20or=20its=20interests.=20=20And=20we=20should=20do= =20it=20quick=20 before =20the=20terrorists=20hit=20again.=20=20This=20nation=20needs=20unity,=20no= t=20 division.=20=20Bill =20Orily=20and=20Rachel=20Madow=20are=20puppets=20who=20spout=20opinions.=20= =20It=20 doesn't =20matter=20whom=20you=20like,=20both=20of=20them=20are=20opinionated=20and= =20they=20heir=20 those =20opinions=20to=20the=20masses.=20=20If=20you=20let=20yourself=20not=20thi= nk=20freely=20 and=20get =20dragged=20in=20by=20either=20side's=20opinionators,=20then=20you=20deser= ve=20every =20inconvenience=20this=20government=20could=20possibly=20hand=20you.=20=20= That's=20 the =20problem=20we=20have=20now.=20=20People=20have=20stopped=20using=20their= =20brains=20and =20trusting=20their=20instincts=20and=20instead=20relying=20on=20msnbc=20or= =20fox=20 news=20to =20tell=20them=20what's=20going=20on.=20=20" =20Yes=20that=20is=20true.=20=20We=20need=20to=20use=20our=20brains=20when= =20forming=20 opinions. =20We=20need=20to=20think=20for=20ourselves=20and=20not=20just=20unquestion= ly=20follow=20 someone=20who =20spouts=20opinions.=20=20Read=20several=20news=20sources;=20listen=20to=20= C-span=20to=20 hear =20congress=20firsthand. =20I=20was=20going=20to=20write=20something=20like=20that,=20but=20you=20sa= id=20it=20better=20 than=20me.=20=20My =20intent=20in=20bringing=20this=20up=20was=20to=20find=20out=20what=20you= =20all=20did=20 personally=20or =20publicly=20to=20remember=209/11.=20=20With=20over=20200=20subscribers,=20= some=20of=20 you=20probably =20lost=20a=20loved=20one=20in=20this=20tragedy. =20We=20should=20integrate=20into=20society=20and=20do=20what=20other=20Ame= ricans=20are=20 doing=20to =20commemerate=20the=20anniversary. =20I=20was=20trying=20to=20keep=20politics=20out=20of=20it. =20Whether=20conservative=20or=20liberal,=20Christian=20or=20not,=20no=20on= e=20wants=20 this=20tragedy =20again;=20no=20one=20but=20that=20is=20our=20enemies=20here=20and=20abroa= d.=20=20Anyone=20 who=20wants=20to =20kill=20innocent=20Americans=20is=20our=20enemy=20and=20has=20no=20busine= ss=20here. =20My=20brother=20lost=20=20a=20friend=20and=20I=20know=20a=20blind=20guy=20= that=20had=20to=20 evacuate=20the =20pentagon.=20=20Thankfully=20he=20got=20out=20safely=20in=20the=20confusi= on. =20I=20remember=20that=20I=20was=20in=20school=20that=20morning=20as=20a=20= senior=20when=20I=20 got=20the =20news.=20=20Many=20of=20you=20were=20children=20or=20teens=20and=20perhap= s=20don't=20feel=20 much=20of =20anything=20about=20the=20event=20since=20you=20were=20safe=20with=20fami= ly. =20This=209/11=20I=20prayed=20more=20and=20watched=20more=20news=20and=20wa= tched=20the=20 memorial =20concert=20held=20here=20in=20DC=20at=20the=20kennedy=20center.=20=20I=20= am=20commited=20to=20 do=20some=20sort =20of=20service=20project=20for=209/11. =20I=20hope=20most=20of=20us=20can=20get=20past=20the=20political=20rhetori= c=20and=20show=20 our =20patriotism=20and=20show=20love=20for=20America. =20I=20mean=20getting=20out=20there=20and=20doing=20normal=20things=20is=20= what=20 changing=20what=20it =20means=20to=20be=20blind=20is=20about. =20Some=20campuses=20are=20holding=20vigils=20or=20doing=20volunteer=20serv= ice=20 projects. =20Many=20religious=20groups=20are=20doing=20something=20too.=20=20So=20wha= tever=20you=20 did,=20I=20hope =20you=20at=20least=20took=20time=20to=20remember=20the=20tragedy;=20someth= ing=20as=20 simple=20as=20a =20moment=20of=20silence=20is=20useful. =20Let=20us=20go=20forward=20peacefully.=20=20God=20bless=20America. =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Nimer=20M.=20=20Jaber,=20IC=B3 =20Sent:=20Monday,=20September=2012,=202011=204:41=20AM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20reflecting=20on=20the=20attacks =20Robin,=20Carly=20and=20all, =20Ten=20years=20ago=20this=20country=20went=20through=20an=20attack=20of=20= greater=20 magnitude =20than=20anyone=20can=20know=20or=20comprehend=20if=20they=20weren't=20dir= ectly=20 impacted. =20Sure,=20everyone=20has=20to=20go=20through=20airport=20screenings=20now= =20and=20 people =20feel=20inconvenienced,=20but=20I=20guaran-damn-tee=20you=20that=20if=20a= nother=20 attack =20on=20the=20scale=20of=20what=20happened=20ten=20years=20ago=20happened=20= today,=20 nobody =20would=20be=20complaining=20for=20a=20few=20years=20until=20another=20gen= eration=20 comes =20along=20and=20starts=20getting=20complacent.=20=20We=20should=20remember= =20those=20 who =20died.=20=20We=20should=20honor=20their=20memories=20by=20not=20allowing= =20any=20 individual=20to =20terrorize=20America=20or=20its=20interests.=20=20And=20we=20should=20do= =20it=20quick=20 before =20the=20terrorists=20hit=20again.=20=20This=20nation=20needs=20unity,=20no= t=20 division.=20=20Bill =20Orily=20and=20Rachel=20Madow=20are=20puppets=20who=20spout=20opinions.=20= =20It=20 doesn't =20matter=20whom=20you=20like,=20both=20of=20them=20are=20opinionated=20and= =20they=20heir=20 those =20opinions=20to=20the=20masses.=20=20If=20you=20let=20yourself=20not=20thi= nk=20freely=20 and=20get =20dragged=20in=20by=20either=20side's=20opinionators,=20then=20you=20deser= ve=20every =20inconvenience=20this=20government=20could=20possibly=20hand=20you.=20=20= That's=20 the =20problem=20we=20have=20now.=20=20People=20have=20stopped=20using=20their= =20brains=20and =20trusting=20their=20instincts=20and=20instead=20relying=20on=20msnbc=20or= =20fox=20 news=20to =20tell=20them=20what's=20going=20on.=20=20Or=20maybe=20twitter.=20=20If=20= you=20don't=20like=20 what =20the=20United=20States=20is=20doing=20to=20other=20nations=20and=20you=20= think=20the=20US =20should=20be=20soft=20because=20maybe=20you=20think=20that=20somehow=20ot= her=20 nations=20are =20just=20going=20to=20back=20down=20and=20forget=20the=20US=20exists,=20th= en=20you've=20 got =20another=20reality=20coming=20to=20you.=20=20If=20you=20don't=20like=20th= e=20United=20 States' =20actions=20against=20its=20enemies=20who=20are=20hell-bent=20on=20our=20 destruction,=20then =20please,=20leave=20this=20country=20and=20don't=20return.=20=20If=20you=20= need=20 transport, =20please=20let=20me=20know=20and=20I'm=20sure=20we=20can=20work=20out=20an= =20arrangement.=20=20 Just =20surrender=20your=20passport=20to=20me=20when=20you=20leave,=20OK?=20And= =20if=20you=20 join=20or =20affiliate=20yourself=20with=20a=20group=20that=20wants=20to=20destroy=20= the=20US=20of=20 A, =20then=20don't=20be=20too=20surprised=20if=20you=20run=20into=20some=20pro= blems=20if=20you=20 take =20any=20action=20against=20us. =20Thanks,=20and=20I=20apologize=20to=20the=20mods=20of=20this=20list=20for= =20helping=20 continue =20this=20off-topic=20thread. =20On=2012.09.2011,=20Carly=20=20wrote: =20Hi,=20Ashley, =20Is=20it=20me,=20or=20does=20an=20idea=20persist=20that=20for=20a=20mere =20fact=20that=20those=20who=20suffred=20on=209/11=20happened=20to =20be=20American=20in=20nationality=20or=20white=20in =20race,=20=20somehow=20make=20it=20more=20of=20a=20tragedy?=20As=20I =20have=20said,=20America=20murders=20innocents=20=20in=20it's =20drone=20and=20other=20atacks=20(for=20the=20uninitiated, =20drone=20attacks=20refer=20to=20a=20methodical=20killing=20via=20a =20machine),=20on=20a=20daily=20freaking=20basis=20yet,=20who=20can =20cry=20for=20those=20so=20unfortunate=20as=20to=20not=20be=20born=20Ameri= can,=20or=20 white? =20And=20J.=20=20Lester=20I=20have=20absolutely=20ZERO=20interest=20in =20watching=20a=20blow=20hard=20like=20Bill=20O'Reilly=20even=20if =20it=20remains=20a=20perscription=20of=20your's. =20=20=20OOryleAt=2008:04=20PM=209/11/2011,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20wrote: Carley,=20Yes=20lives=20are=20lost=20due=20to=20American military=20actions.=20=20Whether=20fighting=20where=20we=20do is=20right=20or=20wrong=20is=20a=20political=20comment=20so=20=20I will=20not=20go=20there.=20=20But=20two=20wrongs=20do=20not=20make=20a right.=20=20The=20fact=20is=20we=20have=20terrorists=20out=20there who=20want=20to=20destroy=20us=20even=20though=20we=20did=20not touch=20them.=20=20Remember=20911=20was=20a=20peaceful=20calm day.=20=20Everyone=20was=20at=20work=20or=20school=20going=20about their=20normal=20business.=20=20Then=20without=20warning,=20we had=20these=20morning=20attacks.=20=20They=20attacked=20us=20and there=20was=20dying=20for=20no=20reason.=20=20They=20killed innocent=20people.=20=20I=20was=20watching=20the=20news=20tonight and=20it=20highlighted=20the=20stories=20of=20children, first=20responders,=20journalists=20and=20survivors.=20=20For instance=20one=20lady=20is=20now=20going=20to=20college,=20but as=20a=20kid,=20she=20was=20impacted.=20=20Her=20mother=20worked=20in the=20pentagon=20and=20died=20that=20day.=20=20She=20spoke=20about having=20to=20grow=20up=20fast=20and=20take=20on=20more=20adult responsibilities.=20=20She=20had=20to=20put=20her=20college degree=20on=20hold.=20=20Instead=20she=20got=20a=20job=20to=20help she=20and=20her=20family=20out.=20=20She=20tried=20to=20be=20strong and=20hide=20her=20feelings=20as=20she=20became=20the=20woman=20of the=20house=20to=20replace=20her=20mother.=20=20Now=20she=20goes=20to school=20online=20and=20is=20a=20part=20time=20singer.=20=20She still=20misses=20her=20mother,=20but=20tries=20to=20go=20on=20with life=20with=20her=20dad=20and=20remaining=20family;=20after all,=20her=20mom=20would=20want=20that.=20=20That=20is=20just=20one story--=20one=20girl=20whose=20life=20was=20changed=20forever. Many=20kids=20lost=20a=20parent=20in=20the=20attack;=20others lost=20their=20spouse.=20=20Oh,=20and=20I=20know=20a=20blind employee=20who=20was=20there=20and=20had=20to=20evacuate=20from the=20pentagon.=20=20He=20felt=20lost=20outside=20a=20different exit=20and=20it=20was=20a=20mob=20scene.=20=20Someone=20assisted him=20outside=20to=20find=20the=20bus=20stop=20or=20something.=20=20I was=20glad=20he=20got=20out=20safely.=20=20So=20that=20is=20something to=20think=20about.=20=20Of=20course=20you=20are=20entitled=20to your=20opinion.=20=20But=20I=20hope=20we=20can=20aknowledge=20the suffering=20the=20country=20went=20through=20as=20well=20as the=20innocent=20people=20who=20die=20every=20day=20here=20and abroad.=20=20Ashley=20-----Original=20Message-----=20From: Carly=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20September=2011,=202011=209:24=20PM To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students mailing=20list=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind Students=20mailing=20list=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l] reflecting=20on=20the=20attacks=20Good=20afternoon,=20List, Just=20because=20Americans=20were=20the=20souls=20who perished=20in=20the=20blasts,=20the=20universe=20is=20somehow, expected=20to=20change?=20Folks=20die=20daily=20usually=20at the=20hands=20of=20American=20interests.=20=20Imagine=20the scales=20of=20life,=20finding=20equivalence?At=2012:26=20PM 9/11/2011,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20wrote:=20>Hi=20all,=20We all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to=20address=20safety and=20security.=20=20>But=20somehow,=20some=20way,=20those terrorists=20got=20through.=20=20We=20were=20attacked a=20>decade=20ago.=20=20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class=20in=20high school=20when=20I=20heard=20the=20news.=20=20>School=20was=20closed the=20next=20day.=20=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly=20where the=20choir,=20>band,=20and=20other=20groups=20performed=20to commemorate=209/11.=20=20I=20hope=20that=20we=20all=20>take=20a moment=20to=20reflect=20on=20it.=20=20I=20will=20be=20praying=20for our=20country=20and=20>everyone=C3=A2=80=99s=20safety/security on=20the=20anniversary.=20=20I=C3=A2=80=E2=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m=20a=20Chri= stian=20so I=20>have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20grow=20stronger=20as=20a nation.=20=20If=20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one=20>impacted=20by=20the attack,=20I=20hope=20you=20recovered=20somewhat=20from=20the tragedy.=20=20>Some=20pray=20in=20churches,=20others=20are going=20to=20public=20memorials=20today=20and still=20>others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service=20to=20serve the=20country.=20=20If=20you=20are=20doing=20>anything different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well=20for you.=20=20Take=20care.=20=20>Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20>nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20>unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for nabs-l:=20>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l _nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get your=20account=20info=20for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink..net Great=20idea!=20I'll=20be=20happy=20to=20create=20it! =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20= wrote: =20*snort*.=20=20Anyway=20... =20On=2013.09.2011,=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20= wrote: =20I=20hate=20to=20veer=20off=20the=20given=20topic,=20somewhat,=20but=20I= =20want=20to=20say =20something=20about=20Nimer=20Jaber's=20points. =20#1.=20=20Bill=20ORiley,=20isn't=20anyone's=20puppet. =20He's=20endependent. =20#2.=20=20Fox=20News=20isn't=20run=20by=20a=20Republican=20machine,=20bec= ause=20both=20 sides=20of =20the=20aisle,=20are=20fairly=20represented,=20which=20makes=20Fox=20News= =20the=20most =20trusted=20name=20in=20news. =20The=20ratings=20prove=20it! =20Fox=20News=20is=20#1,=20while=20MSNBC,=20(which=20I=20call,=20MSLSD,)=20= is=20dead=20 last. =20That=20ought=20to=20tell=20you=20something. =20Blessings,=20Joshua =20On=209/12/11,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Ashley, =20I=20know=20there=20used=20to=20be=20a=20lot=20of=20problems,=20especiall= y=20in=20the=20 70's =20and=20early=2080's,=20with=20airlines=20taking=20our=20canes=20away=20wh= en=20we=20get =20on=20the=20plane.=20=20There=20were=20a=20couple=20NFB=20songs=20written= =20about=20this, =20and=20I=20wish=20I=20could=20remember=20the=20line=20from=20"Daring=20Yo= ung=20Man=20on =20the=20Flying=20Trapeze"=20about=20airlines=20taking=20blind=20people's=20= canes, =20but=20unfortunately=20I=20can't,=20nor=20can=20I=20find=20my=20song=20bo= ok=20at=20the =20moment.=20=20All=20I=20remember=20is=20"But=20we=20say=20our=20white=20c= anes=20will =20stay."=20The=20Federation=20sued=20United=20Airlines=20about=20this=20in= =20the=20 late =2070's=20(I'm=20not=20sure=20of=20the=20year)=20and=20won.=20=20I=20didn't= =20know,=20 however, =20that=20we=20were=20having=20these=20problems.=20=20If=20we=20really=20ar= e,=20and=20some =20people=20are=20just=20overreacting=20to=20the=20fact=20that=20the=20TSA= =20security =20agents=20(who,=20by=20the=20way,=20aren't=20employed=20by=20the=20airlin= es,=20but=20 are =20government=20employees)=20X-ray=20your=20canes,=20I'd=20suggest=20to=20f= ile=20a =20complaint=20with=20the=20airline,=20talk=20to=20the=20NFB,=20or=20both.= =20=20However, =20it's=20a=20security=20measure=20to=20X-ray=20canes,=20and=20being=20the= =20 independent =20travelers=20we=20are,=20I=20don't=20think=20we=20should=20have=20a=20pro= blem=20with =20that.=20=20Before=20I=20was=20independent=20enough=20to=20do=20this=20on= =20my=20own,=20I =20would=20ask=20the=20TSA=20agent=20to=20do=20sighted=20guide=20with=20me= =20(after =20showing=20them=20the=20correct=20technique,=20of=20course)=20to=20the=20= other=20side =20of=20the=20little=20X-ray=20area,=20then=20hand=20the=20cane=20out=20to= =20me=20when=20they =20were=20done=20scanning=20it.=20=20Now,=20they=20take=20the=20cane,=20and= =20I =20independently=20go=20to=20the=20other=20side=20of=20the=20little=20area,= =20find=20the =20tile,=20and=20wait=20for=20the=20cane.=20=20Just=20my=20two=20cents! =20Chris =20=20Chris=20Nusbaum =20"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20ey= esight.=20=20The =20real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20educati= on=20that =20exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20a= nd =20opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical= =20nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National =20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at: =20www.icanfoundation.info=20for =20information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20a= nd=20 visually =20impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Joshua=20and=20everyone, =20Yes.=20=20Keep=20in=20mind=20however=20that=20these=20are=20not=20schedu= led=20flights =20like=20the =20airlines.=20=20As=20air=20charter=20clients=20have=20needs=20to=20fly=20= to=20your=20area =20that=20will =20determine=20the=20availability=20of=20flights=20to=20where=20you=20need= =20to=20go =20being=20offered. =20Peter=20Donahue =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"Joshua=20Lester"=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Vejas=20and=20everyone, =20Private=20air=20travel=20holds=20another=20alternative=20to=20using=20th= e =20airlines.=20=20There =20are=20a=20number=20of=20private=20air=20charter=20services=20that=20sell= =20you=20seats =20on =20chartered=20aircraft=20at=20about=20the=20cost=20of=20an=20airline=20tic= ket.=20=20As =20the =20situation =20with=20the=20airlines=20degrades=20even=20further=20these=20services=20a= re =20expected=20to =20grow =20changing=20how=20we=20fly=20in=20the=20future.=20=20From=20having=20talk= ed=20to=20a =20number=20of =20private =20air=20charter=20companies=20and=20air=20charter=20brokers=20it's=20very= =20possible =20that=20we =20could=20find=20ourselves=20receiving=20better=20treatment=20by=20these =20services=20compared =20to=20that=20we've=20received=20from=20the=20airlines=20over=20the=20year= s. =20=20=20=20=20=20For=20starters=20the=20vast=20majority=20of=20air=20chart= er=20company=20=20Web =20Sites=20=20are =20very=20accessible=20with=20screen=20reading=20software=20and=20are=20eas= y=20to =20navigate.=20=20A =20recent=20entry=20in=20to=20the=20world=20of=20per-seat=20private=20air=20= travel =20ventures=20is: =20http://www.socialflights.com =20=20=20=20=20=20While=20you=20need=20to=20get=20by=20a=20captcha=20in=20t= he=20signup=20process =20their=20Web =20site =20is=20very=20accessible=20and=20contains=20lots=20of=20information=20abou= t=20this =20company. =20It's =20heavily=20integrated=20with=20Facebook=20so=20you'll=20need=20to=20have= =20a =20Facebook=20Account =20and=20will=20need=20to=20be=20logged=20in=20before=20registering=20and=20= logging=20in =20to=20Social =20Flights.=20=20Check=20them=20out=20and=20let's=20take=20air=20travel=20b= y=20the=20blind =20to=20a=20higher =20level! =20Peter=20Donahue =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"vejas"=20=20wrote:= =20=20=20Hi=20all, =20=20=20We=20all=20have=20varying=20views=20on=20how=20to=20address=20safe= ty=20and =20security. =20But =20=20=20somehow,=20some=20way,=20those=20terrorists=20got=20through. =20=20=20We=20were=20attacked=20a=20decade=20ago. =20=20=20I=20was=20finishing=20a=20class=20in=20high=20school=20when=20I=20= heard=20the=20news. =20School=20was =20=20=20closed=20the=20next=20day.=20=20Our=20school=20had=20an=20assembly= =20where=20the =20choir, =20band,=20and =20=20=20other=20groups=20performed=20to=20commemorate=209/11. =20=20=20I=20hope=20that=20we=20all=20take=20a=20moment=20to=20reflect=20on= =20it.=20=20I=20will=20be =20praying=20for =20=20=20our =20=20=20country=20and=20everyone?=20safety/security=20on=20the=20anniversa= ry. =20=20=20I?=20a=20Christian=20so=20I=20have=20faith=20that=20we=20will=20gr= ow=20stronger=20as=20a =20nation.=20=20If =20=20=20you=20had=20a=20loved=20one=20impacted=20by=20the=20attack,=20I=20= hope=20you =20recovered =20somewhat =20=20=20from=20the=20tragedy. =20=20=20Some=20pray=20in=20churches,=20others=20are=20going=20to=20public= =20memorials =20today=20and =20=20=20still =20=20=20others=20will=20do=20volunteer=20service=20to=20serve=20the=20coun= try.=20=20If=20you =20are=20doing =20=20=20anything=20different=20or=20special,=20I=20hope=20it=20goes=20well= =20for=20you. =20=20=20Take=20care. =20=20=20Ashley =20=20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20=20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20=20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20yo= ur=20account =20info=20for =20=20=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 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=20or=20attachments=20provided=20by=20me.=20=20Security=20of=20your=20machi= ne=20is=20up=20 to =20you. =20Thanks,=20and=20if=20you=20don't=20feel=20that=20you=20are=20able=20to=20= comply=20with =20these =20instructions,=20please=20notify=20me=20via=20reply=20email=20and=20destr= oy=20all =20copies =20of=20this=20email=20from=20your=20computer. =20Registered=20Linux=20User=20529141. =20http://counter.li.org/ =20Vinux=20testing=20and=20documentation=20coordinator =20To=20get=20more=20information=20about=20a=20free=20and=20accessible=20op= erating =20system, =20please=20click=20here: =20http://www.vinuxproject.org =20To=20find=20out=20about=20a=20free=20and=20versatile=20screen=20reader=20= for=20windows =20XP =20and=20above,=20please=20click=20here: =20http://www.nvda-project.org =20Check=20out=20my=20blog=20related=20to=20technology=20by=20clicking=20he= re: =20http://nimertech.blogspot.com =20Phone:=20(720)=20(251-4530) =20Please=20reply=20to=20this=20email=20to=20contact=20me. =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo =20se%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 =200earthlink.net =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau =20m%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%4 0gmail.com =20-- =20Nimer=20M.=20=20Jaber =20The=20message=20above=20is=20intended=20for=20the=20recipient=20to=20who= m=20it=20was=20 sent. =20If=20you=20believe=20that=20you=20are=20not=20the=20intended=20recipient= ,=20please=20 notify =20me=20via=20reply=20email=20and=20destroy=20all=20copies=20of=20this=20em= ail.=20=20Action=20 taken =20as=20a=20result=20of=20this=20email=20by=20anyone=20other=20than=20the=20= intended=20 recipient =20may=20result=20in=20civil=20or=20criminal=20action.=20=20I=20have=20chec= ked=20all=20 files=20on=20my =20machine=20for=20security=20threats.=20=20However,=20I=20will=20not=20be= =20held=20 responsible =20for=20any=20damage=20caused=20to=20your=20machine=20as=20a=20result=20of= =20any=20 instructions =20or=20attachments=20provided=20by=20me.=20=20Security=20of=20your=20machi= ne=20is=20up=20 to=20you. =20Thanks,=20and=20if=20you=20don't=20feel=20that=20you=20are=20able=20to=20= comply=20with=20 these =20instructions,=20please=20notify=20me=20via=20reply=20email=20and=20destr= oy=20all=20 copies =20of=20this=20email=20from=20your=20computer. =20Registered=20Linux=20User=20529141. =20http://counter.li.org/ =20Vinux=20testing=20and=20documentation=20coordinator =20To=20get=20more=20information=20about=20a=20free=20and=20accessible=20op= erating=20 system, =20please=20click=20here: =20http://www.vinuxproject.org =20To=20find=20out=20about=20a=20free=20and=20versatile=20screen=20reader=20= for=20windows=20 XP =20and=20above,=20please=20click=20here: =20http://www.nvda-project.org =20Check=20out=20my=20blog=20related=20to=20technology=20by=20clicking=20he= re: =20http://nimertech.blogspot.com =20Phone:=20(720)=20(251-4530) =20Please=20reply=20to=20this=20email=20to=20contact=20me. =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 20:49:30 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:49:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks Message-ID: <4e711375.f318340a.017b.ffffa83d@mx.google.com> Hi=20Joshua, Ah,=20you=20listen=20to=20a=20little=20Mark=20Levin=20don't=20you?=20I=20ca= n=20tell=20you=20 and=20I=20are=20going=20to=20be=20good=20friends!=20:)=20The=20thing=20that= =20drives=20me=20 nuts=20about=20when=20liberals=20say=20Fox=20News=20is=20so=20right-wing=20= biassed,=20 and=20we=20ask=20them=20how,=20they=20give=20us=20examples=20like=20"The=20= Orielly=20 Factor"=20and=20"Hannity"=20or=20the=20old=20Glenn=20Beck=20program.=20=20T= HEY=20ARE=20 PART=20of=20the=20COMMENTARY=20FORMAT!!!!!=20The=20hosts=20of=20that=20show= =20have=20a=20 job,=20and=20that=20is=20to=20comment=20(or=20to=20give=20OPINIONS)=20on=20= the=20NEWS.=20=20 But,=20because=20those=20shows=20express=20a=20certain=20OPINION=20(which=20= it=20is=20 their=20job=20to=20do,)=20you=20can't=20say=20that=20Fox=20is=20biassed.=20= =20If=20Fox=20is=20 so=20biassed,=20then what=20bias=20do=20shows=20like=20Fox=20and=20Friends,=20America's=20News=20= Room,=20or=20 Special=20Report=20with=20Brett=20Behr=20show?=20Some=20may=20argue=20that= =20Shepherd=20 Smith,=20host=20of=20the=20Fox=20Report,=20leans=20to=20the=20left=20a=20li= ttle!=20But=20 those=20shows=20are=20of=20a=20different=20format,=20namely=20the=20NEWS=20= REPORTING=20 format!=20Email=20me=20off=20list!=20We=20can=20have=20some=20fun!=20BTW,=20= can=20you=20 send=20me=20the=20link=20to=20that=20Republican=20list=20you're=20on? =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Ashley, =20I=20know=20there=20used=20to=20be=20a=20lot=20of=20problems,=20especiall= y=20in=20the=20 70's =20and=20early=2080's,=20with=20airlines=20taking=20our=20canes=20away=20wh= en=20we=20get =20on=20the=20plane.=20=20There=20were=20a=20couple=20NFB=20songs=20written= =20about=20this, =20and=20I=20wish=20I=20could=20remember=20the=20line=20from=20"Daring=20Yo= ung=20Man=20on =20the=20Flying=20Trapeze"=20about=20airlines=20taking=20blind=20people's=20= canes, =20but=20unfortunately=20I=20can't,=20nor=20can=20I=20find=20my=20song=20bo= ok=20at=20the =20moment.=20=20All=20I=20remember=20is=20"But=20we=20say=20our=20white=20c= anes=20will =20stay."=20The=20Federation=20sued=20United=20Airlines=20about=20this=20in= =20the=20 late =2070's=20(I'm=20not=20sure=20of=20the=20year)=20and=20won.=20=20I=20didn't= =20know,=20 however, =20that=20we=20were=20having=20these=20problems.=20=20If=20we=20really=20ar= e,=20and=20some =20people=20are=20just=20overreacting=20to=20the=20fact=20that=20the=20TSA= =20security =20agents=20(who,=20by=20the=20way,=20aren't=20employed=20by=20the=20airlin= es,=20but=20 are =20government=20employees)=20X-ray=20your=20canes,=20I'd=20suggest=20to=20f= ile=20a =20complaint=20with=20the=20airline,=20talk=20to=20the=20NFB,=20or=20both.= =20=20However, =20it's=20a=20security=20measure=20to=20X-ray=20canes,=20and=20being=20the= =20 independent =20travelers=20we=20are,=20I=20don't=20think=20we=20should=20have=20a=20pro= blem=20with =20that.=20=20Before=20I=20was=20independent=20enough=20to=20do=20this=20on= =20my=20own,=20I =20would=20ask=20the=20TSA=20agent=20to=20do=20sighted=20guide=20with=20me= =20(after =20showing=20them=20the=20correct=20technique,=20of=20course)=20to=20the=20= other=20side =20of=20the=20little=20X-ray=20area,=20then=20hand=20the=20cane=20out=20to= =20me=20when=20they =20were=20done=20scanning=20it.=20=20Now,=20they=20take=20the=20cane,=20and= =20I =20independently=20go=20to=20the=20other=20side=20of=20the=20little=20area,= =20find=20the =20tile,=20and=20wait=20for=20the=20cane.=20=20Just=20my=20two=20cents! =20Chris =20=20Chris=20Nusbaum =20"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20ey= esight.=20=20The =20real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20educati= on=20that =20exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20a= nd =20opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical= =20nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National =20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at: =20www.icanfoundation.info=20for =20information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20a= nd=20 visually =20impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Joshua=20and=20everyone, =20Yes.=20=20Keep=20in=20mind=20however=20that=20these=20are=20not=20schedu= led=20flights =20like=20the =20airlines.=20=20As=20air=20charter=20clients=20have=20needs=20to=20fly=20= to=20your=20area =20that=20will =20determine=20the=20availability=20of=20flights=20to=20where=20you=20need= =20to=20go =20being=20offered. =20Peter=20Donahue =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"Joshua=20Lester"=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Vejas=20and=20everyone, =20Private=20air=20travel=20holds=20another=20alternative=20to=20using=20th= e =20airlines.=20=20There =20are=20a=20number=20of=20private=20air=20charter=20services=20that=20sell= =20you=20seats =20on =20chartered=20aircraft=20at=20about=20the=20cost=20of=20an=20airline=20tic= ket.=20=20As =20the =20situation =20with=20the=20airlines=20degrades=20even=20further=20these=20services=20a= re =20expected=20to =20grow =20changing=20how=20we=20fly=20in=20the=20future.=20=20From=20having=20talk= ed=20to=20a =20number=20of =20private =20air=20charter=20companies=20and=20air=20charter=20brokers=20it's=20very= =20possible =20that=20we =20could=20find=20ourselves=20receiving=20better=20treatment=20by=20these =20services=20compared =20to=20that=20we've=20received=20from=20the=20airlines=20over=20the=20year= s. =20=20=20=20=20=20For=20starters=20the=20vast=20majority=20of=20air=20chart= er=20company=20=20Web =20Sites=20=20are =20very=20accessible=20with=20screen=20reading=20software=20and=20are=20eas= y=20to =20navigate.=20=20A =20recent=20entry=20in=20to=20the=20world=20of=20per-seat=20private=20air=20= travel =20ventures=20is: =20http://www.socialflights.com =20=20=20=20=20=20While=20you=20need=20to=20get=20by=20a=20captcha=20in=20t= he=20signup=20process =20their=20Web =20site =20is=20very=20accessible=20and=20contains=20lots=20of=20information=20abou= t=20this =20company. 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=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau =20m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 20:49:27 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:49:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible ebooks Message-ID: <4e711370.f318340a.017b.ffffa83b@mx.google.com> Hi Beth, The Stratus is like the upgraded version of the Stream. Go to humanware.com for more information. BTW, now that I've added you to Skype, feel free to give me a call sometime! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Hi Amy and David, Amy, I couldn't make it either, although I tried. When I go to the new site, I get taken to a page called something like qui-audio.net and it's a blank page after the Web address. What's going on? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" From Amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:05 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] The Rebirth Of An Online Radio Station Takes Place Tonight And You're Invited Greetings All! As many of you know, I've been running an online radio station since June called AudioAccessRadio. However, a few of us felt we could upgrade our radio concept a little, so after being behind closed doors for the weekend, we're ready to roll out the emerging and soon to be born AudioAccessFM! And the fun begins tonight! Starting at 7 PM eastern, you can go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com click on the link to listen, and be part of our rebirth's starting lineup. Kicking off the rebirth is Pop Tops With Dennis. This show takes you on a saphari through pop history by focusing on songs that made it to top ten or better on billboard, and each song has a common theme to it on each of the shows. The theme for tonight will be Sunshine. Then at 8 PM eastern, The Djd Invasion takes over the microphone with An interview with a musician named Blessing Offor A wide range of tunes to make you smile including your requests The chance for you to win either a 20 dollar amazon gift card or to play for 50 dollars, follow audioaccessfm on twitter for more details We'll also introduce you to some of the new talent that has joined our team! Things look very bright and hopeful for our future! Participation is easy during my show. I can be reached by aol or msn messenger at the address live at audioaccessfm.com via twitter at audioaccessfm via skype at audio.accessfm or by email at djd at audioaccessfm.com I'm very excited about the radio station's rebirth, and I hope to share it with you. So, whether you're wanting to hear Pop Tops, my show only at 8 PM eastern, or both, save this email, and at any time between 7 PM and either 190 or 11 eastern, visit http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php to tune in! I hope to see you all there! Best wishes, David Dunphy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 20:49:38 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:49:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] drop box Message-ID: <4e71137b.f318340a.017b.ffffa841@mx.google.com> Hi Loren, Oh, that's really weird! Ok, try sending an email to braillenote-request at list.humanware.com with the subject subscribe, reply to the confirmation email the system will send, and you'll hopefully be subscribed. Hope this helps! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Wakefield" Well, you sensored it a little! LOL! Again, tell it like it is! Love it! So, I have a question, then. As you said, "this forum has no place for partisan agendas..." except for the NFB's partisan agenda? Oh, so if we don't like partisanship politically on this list, then why do we allow the partisan agenda of the NFB to be on this list? Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter References: <4e711380.f318340a.017b.ffffa846@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8AFFB8D1E8D6904090DF5B33AABB802506EDA02525@VA3DIAXVS661.RED001.local> Chris, I believe that it is the content of this debate on 911, rather than the ability to debate issues of blindness, Which this list does allow. Jesse -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread Well, you sensored it a little! LOL! Again, tell it like it is! Love it! So, I have a question, then. As you said, "this forum has no place for partisan agendas..." except for the NFB's partisan agenda? Oh, so if we don't like partisanship politically on this list, then why do we allow the partisan agenda of the NFB to be on this list? Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter References: <628EE4066914418A933D58767B43A82B@SCHOOLLAPTOP> Message-ID: <115651D4A2B94A3C98101D95F2ACF285@OwnerPC> You sent this to the list and it was meant for a private person, I think. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Gaudes Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:50 PM To: Maureen O'Donnell ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Jay Lodge Question Maureen, >From reading the specs that you sent me it mentioned the use of McFee antivirus software. I was wondring if you knew of anyone that uses Norton Antivirus software for these type of work at home jobs? The reason I ask about this is I had another laptop about 6 years ago and it had McFee antivirus aand I got a Trojan virus on the laptop which made that computer useless, I'm just trying to avoid this from happening again. Thanks, Eric Gaudes _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 00:15:20 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:15:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Flying with a Cane In-Reply-To: <4e711360.f318340a.017b.ffffa82f@mx.google.com> References: <4e711360.f318340a.017b.ffffa82f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris and all, Many blind people, including myself, can identify luggage by simply standing right next to the baggage carousel and touching bags as they go by. The bags move slowly enough that you can spend a few seconds tactually inspecting each one and pulling up the one that's yours. It is helpful to put an identifying tag or ribbon on any checked luggage that both feels and looks distinctive so a sighted person can keep a lookout for it if you don't find it immediately by touch. Oftentimes other passengers waiting for their own bags will offer to let you know when your bag is approaching if they see it. Finding one's bags independently often goes a lot faster than waiting for airport staff to help you, since there are usually not many skycaps in the baggage area. As for international travel, the only time I flew by myself in another country was in Australia and New Zealand and they all spoke English. I'd be curious to know how others handled airport travel in countries where they didn't speak the language. I think in situations like what Greg described, if assistance is offered I would definitely accept it. The issue is that I imagine in some places assistance isn't readily available, and in those cases it'd be hard to know how to navigate without being able to ask questions of passers-by in their native language. I don't think there's anything wrong with using assistance if it is offered, if that is what you prefer. I just want to present other options that will work if assistance is not available in a timely manner, or if you simply feel like venturing on your own and not being tied to another person. Most of the reason I don't use assistance is simply because I am not very patient when I travel and I usually don't feel like standing in one spot waiting for an escort. I'd rather just go on ahead. This is especially true when I get to my destination and just want to get out of the airport and see people I am visiting, etc. The other thing is that I prefer not to pre-board or to go through the special "handicapped" or "medical" lines for check-in and security. In fact, this is often what I end up fighting about most with airport officials. I know this is a contentious topic, but I'll say I insist on doing things the regular way for two reasons. First, the special lines and preboarding simply aren't necessary for blind travelers who have no other disabilities. I don't want to crowd those lines for people who actually need them. The second reason is that I find I need less assistance if I use the regular lines and board with everyone else than I would if I used the special disability lines and pre-boarded. If I use the regular lines, I can follow other passengers around the mazes, but if I use the "special" lines, there are less people to follow and I have to rely on more verbal directions. Similarly, if I board with everyone else I have no trouble getting down the jetway independently because I can simply follow everyone else, but if I am one of the first people to board because I pre-board, I might have to rely more on a guide (although by now I've flown enough that I've memorized most jetway layouts anyway). So I find those special accommodations actually make it harder for me to travel effectively. Arielle On 9/14/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Arielle, > > Thanks for the information! This is great! I have a question on > this for anybody who flies independently: how do you > retrieve the right luggage from the carousel? In other words, how > do you know which luggage is yours? Thanks! > > Chris > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:51:03 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Flying with a Cane > > Hi all, > Since I travel to visit family a lot, and attend NFB and > psychology > meetings on a regular basis, I have become a very frequent flyer. > Over > the past two years I flew, on average, once a month and almost > all > those flights were solo. I have been flying alone for several > years > and have never had any serious problems with airline officials > beyond > the nuisance of being asked repeatedly if I need assistance. > Although > independent air travel used to be rough, I do believe that things > have > gotten much better with the passage of the 1986 Air Carrier > Access > Act. > In security I do place my cane on the X-ray belt along with my > luggage, shoes and laptop. A security official guides me by > voice, > hand or both so I can get through the detector without bumping > into > it. I then retrieve my cane on the other side with my belongings > and > don't think much of it. The distance I have to walk without my > cane is > very minimal. > Like others have said I will insist on keeping my cane during the > flight, however, for the simple reason that should I need to > evacuate > the plane, I need to have my cane with me and I will not have > time to > try to find it in the overhead bin. If I am traveling with a > folding > cane I will fold it up and stash it under the seat in front of > me. If > I am using a straight cane I lay it on the floor between the > window > seat and the window, running parallel to the window. If I don't > have a > window seat and someone is already seated there when I board, I > simply > ask this passenger to do this for me. This has never caused any > problems. It's important to remember that no matter what a > flight > attendant might tell you, you have a legal right to place your > cane > next to the window. You also have a legal right to refuse any > assistance offered to you at the airport, including escorts, > wheelchairs, and pre-boarding. I think there was only one time > when I > actually had to remind an airport official about this > I have navigated airports throughout the country without an > official > escort and have done so for the past five years with only one > exception (when I was flying back from Australia and had limited > time > to make a connection). Bear in mind, I am not a stellar > traveler, and > I started navigating airports on my own before I had good travel > training. The interior of an airport is a safe place to travel > independently even if you have little travel experience because > there > are so many people from whom to gather information. I have > posted > before on this list about techniques I use in the airport and I'd > be > happy to correspond with anyone privately if you want to know > more > detail about how I do it or have specific questions. > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 00:26:48 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:26:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread In-Reply-To: <8AFFB8D1E8D6904090DF5B33AABB802506EDA02525@VA3DIAXVS661.RED001.local> References: <4e711380.f318340a.017b.ffffa846@mx.google.com> <8AFFB8D1E8D6904090DF5B33AABB802506EDA02525@VA3DIAXVS661.RED001.local> Message-ID: Hi all, This list is dedicated to discussing blindness-related issues, particularly those most relevant to blind students and blind youth-discussions of access, blindness training, blindness philosophy, etc. We have always worked hard to keep the scope of list discussions restricted to blindness matters in order to control the volume of email on the list and in order to maximize the amount of blindness-relevant information that is shared. If we opened the list up to political and religious debates, TV shows, musicians or discussion of other popular topics unrelated to blindness, the volume of email would skyrocket and only a small percentage of the emails exchanged would actually be about blindness. Consequently, the list wouldn't achieve its purpose and many subscribers would be disappointed by the relative lack of blindness-related content. The discussion about air travel as it pertains to blindness was on point, but the side conversation about 9/11, Fox News vs. MSNBC, etc. had nothing to do with blindness and should not have continued as it did. We can, however, discuss topics that are controversial and have debates-as long as the topic of the debate has to do with blindness. That's the key distinction here. The other issue, which has been raised here recently, is that debates need to be conducted in a respectful manner free from personal attacks. Best, Arielle Silverman, Former NABS Listserv Chair and Former NABS President On 9/14/11, Hartle, Jesse wrote: > Chris, > > I believe that it is the content of this debate on 911, rather than the > ability to debate issues of blindness, Which this list does allow. Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread > > Well, you sensored it a little! LOL! Again, tell it like it is! > Love it! So, I have a question, then. As you said, "this forum has no place > for partisan agendas..." except for the NFB's partisan agenda? Oh, so if we > don't like partisanship politically on this list, then why do we allow the > partisan agenda of the NFB to be on this list? > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the > National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired > children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bridgit Pollpeter To: Date sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:11:02 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread > > To those who keep complaining about the 9/11 threads, be proactive and start > something new instead of complaining. And others have moved on. > We've discussed flying with a cane, traveling independently around an > airport, E-books online and the relaunch of a web radio show. > The only > obsessing I continue to see on this thread is those bitching about it, and > worse, those veering off with ridiculous, partisan comments, and since I'm > on it now, to each his own. You conservatives go on and on about liberal > agendas, but conservatives have agendas too- that's how politics work. And > if one group wants to organize and inform, then other groups must be > afforded the same opportunity. Just like two organizations of the blind. > So get off the soap boxes and realize this forum has no place for partisan > agendas especially when it degenerates into attacks and name-calling. Once > again, grow up. And now I'm going against my own suggestion of leaving this > sh*# to the moderator. > Geesh, > look what this reduces me to... > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:08:42 -0700 > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks > Message-ID: <4e6f6422.8e42e70a.0b59.6a4d at mx.google.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Shouldn't we be done with this thread? It's been going on for > three days. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhartle%40nfb.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 01:00:29 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:00:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: Hi All, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why not video games? What do others think about this issue? Patrick From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Sep 15 02:29:18 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:29:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] update on Blackboard Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. The 11:30 deadline, for installation of the new rowder, came and went, 2 days ago, and Blackboard still doesn't work. I've let the college know, but the IT guy, on the main campus, won't respond to them. I don't know what's going on. I'm just letting you know. Also, (some good news.) The Western Civilization class was canceled, so the instructor hasn't put anything in Blackboard, anyway. Blessings, Joshua From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 03:35:04 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:35:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] List of States and Nabs Reps. Message-ID: Greetings all, As Promised, Here is a list of nabs reps and the state they serve. If you need to contact your particular rep, their information can be found on the nabs website (www.nabslink.org). Please feel free to share this information with your affiliate president as well. Thank you, and I hope this is of great help to you ! Alabama: Shelby Ball Alaska: Dominique Lawless Arizona: Darian Smith Arkansas: Candice Chapman California: Darian Smith Colorado: Darian Smith Connecticut: Briley Pollard Delaware: Briley Pollard Florida: Shelby Ball Georgia: Shelby Ball Hawaii: Darian Smith Idaho: Dominique Lawless Illinois: Cindy Bennett Indiana: Cindy Bennett Iowa: Cindy Bennett Kansas: Meghan Whalen Kentucky: Candice Chapman Louisiana Candice Chapman Maine: Briley Pollard Maryland: Karen Anderson Massachusetts: Briley Pollard Michigan: Cindy Bennett Minnesota: Cindy Bennett Mississippi: Candice Chapman Missouri: Candice Chapman Montana: Dominique Lawless Nebraska: Meghan Whalen Nevada: Darian Smith New Hampshire: Briley Pollard New Jersey: Briley Pollard New Mexico: Darian Smith New York: Karen Anderson North Carolina: Shelby Ball North Dakota: Meghan Whalen Ohio: Cindy Bennett Oklahoma: Meghan Whalen Oregon: Dominique Lawless Pennsylvania: Karen Anderson Rhode Island: Briley Pollard South Carolina: Shelby Ball South Dakota: Meghan Whalen Tennessee: Candice Chapman Texas: Meghan Whalen Utah: Darian Smith Vermont: Briley Pollard Virginia: Karen Anderson Washington: Dominique Lawless West Virginia: Karen Anderson Wisconsin: Cindy Bennett Wyoming: Dominique Lawless District of Columbia: Karen Anderson Porto Rico: Shelby Ball From brlsurfer at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 04:41:56 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:41:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: <4e718242.f370ec0a.6750.ffffc06b@mx.google.com> Good point. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy Message-ID: Hello, Please read my latest blog column at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/09/15/diabetes-and-birthday-isola tion/ I blog about a birthday incident when younger, and how it seemed people didn't understand diabetes, or how perceptive a young child can be. Thank you for the support. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 13:41:58 2011 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:41:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread In-Reply-To: References: <4e711380.f318340a.017b.ffffa846@mx.google.com><8AFFB8D1E8D6904090DF5B33AABB802506EDA02525@VA3DIAXVS661.RED001.local> Message-ID: <0AC49DF1AD284731AED3A9E58B6AB0D4@OwnerPC> Ok, I agree with you about wanting to keep this list to school, and student related issues, but you can't really stop the topics that people want to discuss. I have seen anouncements about radio shows, radio stations, people talking about their music, and the music that they created. It is pointless to try to ask someone to stop talking about something, they will stop on their own volition. It is up to who ever monetors this list to stop, and control the topics that are discussed on this list. From brlsurfer at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 14:04:26 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:04:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread Message-ID: <4e720619.c2c5e70a.18ba.ffffcb21@mx.google.com> But why talk about 9-11 on 9-15? It makes no sense whatsoever. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Hello Chris, I'm sorry for this and, there is some major technical problems that we are working out with the station. As soon as I know or when David knows of something you will know of it here on the list... so, please be patient and, you will be glad that you waited... Thanks for your interest in audio access FM and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Rebirth Of An Online Radio Station Takes PlaceTonight And You're Invited Hi Amy and David, Amy, I couldn't make it either, although I tried. When I go to the new site, I get taken to a page called something like qui-audio.net and it's a blank page after the Web address. What's going on? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" From Amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:05 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] The Rebirth Of An Online Radio Station Takes Place Tonight And You're Invited Greetings All! As many of you know, I've been running an online radio station since June called AudioAccessRadio. However, a few of us felt we could upgrade our radio concept a little, so after being behind closed doors for the weekend, we're ready to roll out the emerging and soon to be born AudioAccessFM! And the fun begins tonight! Starting at 7 PM eastern, you can go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com click on the link to listen, and be part of our rebirth's starting lineup. Kicking off the rebirth is Pop Tops With Dennis. This show takes you on a saphari through pop history by focusing on songs that made it to top ten or better on billboard, and each song has a common theme to it on each of the shows. The theme for tonight will be Sunshine. Then at 8 PM eastern, The Djd Invasion takes over the microphone with An interview with a musician named Blessing Offor A wide range of tunes to make you smile including your requests The chance for you to win either a 20 dollar amazon gift card or to play for 50 dollars, follow audioaccessfm on twitter for more details We'll also introduce you to some of the new talent that has joined our team! Things look very bright and hopeful for our future! Participation is easy during my show. I can be reached by aol or msn messenger at the address live at audioaccessfm.com via twitter at audioaccessfm via skype at audio.accessfm or by email at djd at audioaccessfm.com I'm very excited about the radio station's rebirth, and I hope to share it with you. So, whether you're wanting to hear Pop Tops, my show only at 8 PM eastern, or both, save this email, and at any time between 7 PM and either 190 or 11 eastern, visit http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php to tune in! I hope to see you all there! Best wishes, David Dunphy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 18:18:44 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:18:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille embossers In-Reply-To: <000801cc73c4$0ad57f90$20807eb0$@comcast.net> References: <000801cc73c4$0ad57f90$20807eb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi students, I know I am opening a huge can of worms here. I would like to know what the Braille embossers are that would be good for a student? One sided of the paper, must do graphics, use the paper that is 11x11 (I think that its that dimension). Any information is greatly appreciated! Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6465 (20110915) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Thu Sep 15 18:24:53 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:24:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 Message-ID: <000001cc73d4$c3b790b0$4b26b210$@comcast.net> Hello all, I hope that you all are doing well. I need your help. I'm trying to send a attachment to a document and, I have tried many of the hotkeys in using Microsoft 2010 and, I was wondering if any of you know how to attach a document as a attachment to a email message to send to someone? Also, does any of you have any other hotkeys/shortcuts for using jfw with Microsoft 2010? Thanks again and, I look forward to hearing from you all soon. Hugs, amy From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 18:42:23 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:42:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille embossers In-Reply-To: References: <000801cc73c4$0ad57f90$20807eb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5BBAB14ED2DB4C218976E7845E6B3E74@AnjelinaPC> Hey Marsha, I don't think you are opening up a can of worms. If you are able to get access to an Embosser, go for it! This is the limited knowledge I have about this topic. The one Embosser I've heard of that is able to take the larger paper and do graphics is the Tiger. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:18 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] Braille embossers Hi students, I know I am opening a huge can of worms here. I would like to know what the Braille embossers are that would be good for a student? One sided of the paper, must do graphics, use the paper that is 11x11 (I think that its that dimension). Any information is greatly appreciated! Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6465 (20110915) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 18:46:05 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:46:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille embossers References: <000801cc73c4$0ad57f90$20807eb0$@comcast.net> <5BBAB14ED2DB4C218976E7845E6B3E74@AnjelinaPC> Message-ID: I need one for a Machine running XP. I'd use the embosser in order to braille out my sermons. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anjelina" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille embossers > Hey Marsha, > I don't think you are opening up a can of worms. If you are able to get > access to an Embosser, go for it! This is the limited knowledge I have > about this topic. > The one Embosser I've heard of that is able to take the larger paper and > do graphics is the Tiger. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marsha Drenth > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:18 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: [nabs-l] Braille embossers > > Hi students, > > I know I am opening a huge can of worms here. I would like to know what > the > Braille embossers are that would be good for a student? One sided of the > paper, must do graphics, use the paper that is 11x11 (I think that its > that > dimension). Any information is greatly appreciated! > > Marsha > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6465 (20110915) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Sep 15 20:33:30 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:33:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to find luggage when traveling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris, My husband and I do a couple of things with luggage when traveling. My mother-in-law once attached Mardi Gras beads to our luggage, and they still are on to this day. We've also tied ribbon on, which is also still attached. Most people don't travel with such accoutrements attached to their luggage so it's easy to identify tactily this way. We also fill out the info cards so if we need to ask someone for help, our names will be on the luggage. If traveling alone, we usually do ask for help to quickly identify, but we beads, ribbons and name tags, it usually doesn't take long to find! Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:49:11 -0400 From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Flying with a Cane Message-ID: <4e711360.f318340a.017b.ffffa82f at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Arielle, Thanks for the information! This is great! I have a question on this for anybody who flies independently: how do you retrieve the right luggage from the carousel? In other words, how do you know which luggage is yours? Thanks! Chris Chris Nusbaum From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Sep 15 21:29:49 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:29:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Partisanship on list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris, First, allowing Federation ideas and concepts is of course allowed because it's a Federation list. Though not all NABS members and participants subscribe to Federation philosophy or ideas, the Federation itself has specific ideals and views that aren't debated as a collective. And I will point out that we've discussed, plenty, Federation philosophy, some disagreeing. With secular politics, though, we are not a list specific to one side over another, nor does the NFB associate with one political group over another. So it stands to reason that we wouldn't follow or debate specific political agendas. And in light of current threads, nothing constructive has stemmed from such "partisan" discussions. If a listserve existed solely to discuss varying political views and provide information, there'd be more appropriateness for such back-and-forth. I'm not against sharing and debating politics, but for a general membership focusing on education, partisan political views doesn't always lend itself to productive discussions. Again, as observed from current threads, individual political agendas have not been received well here, and all it has accomplished is arguments many aren't comfortable with, name-calling and clearly no one has been willing to concede ideas. If this was a listserve started and generated by, let's say, the T party, it would stand to reason that their political views would be primarily discussed, and debating liberal ideas would most likely not lead to healthy, productive debates, but deteriorate into heated, angry threads, as happened here recently. True, not everyone on this list is an NFB member, and not everyone, including NFB members, agrees with all things NFB, but the listserve itself is NFB so naturally, NFB ideas, philosophy and views are supported and given preference. If this list was backed by and initiated as a general listserve for blind students, it would be another matter, but the fact of the matter is that the NFB started, supports and moderators this listserve so as a collective entity, even though not all subscribe to it, Federation views are backed. Not that we can't discuss, debate and provide other schools of thought, but these threads tend to be more productive than threads with secular politics. We have to ask ourselves this: What is the purpose of this list, and what does debating secular politics accomplish on this list? Sure, we often disagree what is appropriate and inappropriate for NABS, and off-topic posts are not discouraged, but think about the current thread. It hasn't steered us into a productive discussion whatsoever. As they say, don't discuss politics or religion in mixed company. I will say this: Whether I agree or not, I find it refreshing so many young people are considering the world around them and participating in political activities fitting their personal views. Not a lot of teens and twenty-something's care about politics, but how our operate as a country, the decisions that truly affect most aspects of our life, are determined by our political leaders. Kudos to those participating in civic duties. Though I caution everyone to investigate and study both sides before confirming positions. Be open to learning and understanding no one is perfect, nor are political views. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:49:43 -0400 From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread Message-ID: <4e711380.f318340a.017b.ffffa846 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Well, you sensored it a little! LOL! Again, tell it like it is! Love it! So, I have a question, then. As you said, "this forum has no place for partisan agendas..." except for the NFB's partisan agenda? Oh, so if we don't like partisanship politically on this list, then why do we allow the partisan agenda of the NFB to be on this list? Chris Chris Nusbaum From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Sep 15 21:55:51 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:55:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Pointless Discussions for list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What one deems pointless, others view as helpful or interesting. The topics you mention often deal with a student advertising something not necessarily intended for a discussion topic, and if you can advertise for free, why not take advantage of it? Also, the "pointless" topics you mention haven't led to inappropriate debates. The 9/11 thread degenerated into nothing resembling a healthy, productive discussion. And the original post had nothing to do with politics or religion; some decided to take the post out of context and use it as an opportunity to assert their political/religious opinions, which of course encouraged those disagreeing to hop on board. We now have had posts not only having nothing to do with the original post, but become about attacking, and defending, political and religious views. When people post about their music, or blogs, or radio stations, etc. it doesn't turn into a mud-slinging, controversial debate having nothing at all to do with blindness or school, nor does it allow for heated, inappropriate comments, often personal and offensive in nature. I've been on other list where it was decided that if posting something off-topic, then you should put "off-topic" in the subject field. Perhaps this list should follow suit. While I agree it's the moderator's job to call anyone out for inappropriate behavior or posts, one would assume, especially on a list with people concerned with academics, we would have the cognitive ability to know when we have gone to far, and what is a post containing material that instigates and demeans, but in light of current threads, this is apparently not always the case. So, as long as post are not supporting an anarchy of sorts on the list, I say shut-up and skip messages if you find them pointless. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:41:58 -0400 From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread Message-ID: <0AC49DF1AD284731AED3A9E58B6AB0D4 at OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ok, I agree with you about wanting to keep this list to school, and student related issues, but you can't really stop the topics that people want to discuss. I have seen anouncements about radio shows, radio stations, people talking about their music, and the music that they created. It is pointless to try to ask someone to stop talking about something, they will stop on their own volition. It is up to who ever monetors this list to stop, and control the topics that are discussed on this list. From brlsurfer at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 22:14:42 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Message-ID: <4e727902.e37a440a.7d89.4adf@mx.google.com> Hi All, I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the next version? Sincerely, Vejas From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 22:25:45 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:25:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jay Lodge Question Message-ID: <4e727b84.cb58340a.0ec0.03de@mx.google.com> Hi Ashley, That's what it looked like from the email, but he may have sent it to the list looking for more input into his questions. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" From reading the specs that you sent me it mentioned the use of McFee antivirus software. I was wondring if you knew of anyone that uses Norton Antivirus software for these type of work at home jobs? The reason I ask about this is I had another laptop about 6 years ago and it had McFee antivirus aand I got a Trojan virus on the laptop which made that computer useless, I'm just trying to avoid this from happening again. Thanks, Eric Gaudes _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 22:45:56 2011 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:45:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread In-Reply-To: <4e720619.c2c5e70a.18ba.ffffcb21@mx.google.com> References: <4e720619.c2c5e70a.18ba.ffffcb21@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <711721D7648041EA96360338A2F87D17@OwnerPC> Then why talk about anything tragic on any day. oh, I find it kind of strange that people made more of a big deal of 911 this year than the past 9 years. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for those who lost family members and for those who died, but come on. You don't hear people talking about the mass genocides that happened in rwanda, Guatemala, armenia, and in other nations. -----Original Message----- From: vejas Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:04 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread But why talk about 9-11 on 9-15? It makes no sense whatsoever. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas Hi All, I’m wondering if any of you have used SPSS Version 19, and if you have, which screen reader reads with it? I’ve tried JAWS and NVDA and they don’t even work! Funny enough, with SPSS 18, NVDA worked and JAWS didn’t, and I even installed the most current version of NVDA prior to trying SPSS 19. Thoughts? I wish that SPSS was accessible, since I’ll need it when I go to graduate school. Ian From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 23:32:27 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:32:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote In-Reply-To: <4e728100.295d340a.7e0b.ffff9779@mx.google.com> References: <4e728100.295d340a.7e0b.ffff9779@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you can write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas Hello all. There will be a Colorado Asociation of Blind students(cabs) conference call Sunday evening at 6:30 PM. We will discuss plans for the state convention, and a seminar at CSDB. The number to call in is as follows: 605-475-6006 and the code to enter is: 587726 This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm Blessings Melissa Green CABS President From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 00:45:54 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:45:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote In-Reply-To: References: <4e728100.295d340a.7e0b.ffff9779@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi All, As of now, the BrailleNote does NOT support docx files. It's the one problem I have with the BrailleNote. I find that the best thing to do is convert your docx files to .doc files. However, Humanware really should do something to make reading docx files possible, because I wonder how much longer .doc will be available? Patrick On 9/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does > support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you can > write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as > of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb > drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher > gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She > was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you > think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the > next version? > Sincerely, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 16 01:28:18 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:28:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread In-Reply-To: <711721D7648041EA96360338A2F87D17@OwnerPC> References: <4e720619.c2c5e70a.18ba.ffffcb21@mx.google.com> <711721D7648041EA96360338A2F87D17@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <0A388C19FEE340A0AB219BCA4AC4710D@OwnerPC> I think we decided not to talk about it. But the media and everyone made a big deal this year because it was a decade ago. In history, we often mark things by decade. I wanted to mention the tragedy of 9/11 because I figured some of you were commemorating at your campus via vigils or prayers or moments of silence. I figured we could talk about what you did to participate in the events to reflect on this tragedy as it does affect students and it is a good reminder for us students to have a safety plan in mind. For instance, if you are at home, have a cane at more than one entrance. If you need to run out quickly, you may not be at an exit where you place your cane, unless you plan ahead. And I thought some of you may have had loved ones who you lost. But the thing got out of hand and brought up politics instead. When a tragedy strikes my family, we try to come together and put our differences aside. I would hope the nation would do the same. I remember when my uncle passed unexpectedly from a heart attack, we all immediately dropped what we were doing; we either drove or flew to SC depending on where we were in the country. There was an outpouring of support for him with a memorial service quickly planned and carried out. Flowers, cards, and money were brought to the funeral home. While I did not lose anyone in 9/11 I have lost friends and family dear to me including my grandfather. Finally, I'm not sure who you are; it would be curteous for everyone to sign their name. But for the comment on mass genocide, on the news it is talked about. So I'd disagree that we do not recognize it. What about those rallies for Darfur in DC? What about the protests and organizing I've heard about by progressives? You actually have to watch the news to find out. And NPR had lots of news on violence as well. Anyway, that is enough. I'll write more off list if you or anyone responds. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread Then why talk about anything tragic on any day. oh, I find it kind of strange that people made more of a big deal of 911 this year than the past 9 years. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for those who lost family members and for those who died, but come on. You don't hear people talking about the mass genocides that happened in rwanda, Guatemala, armenia, and in other nations. -----Original Message----- From: vejas Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:04 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread But why talk about 9-11 on 9-15? It makes no sense whatsoever. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <4e728100.295d340a.7e0b.ffff9779@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I didn't think it supported that file. Do you speak from experience? -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:32 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Hello, I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you can write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas References: <4e727902.e37a440a.7d89.4adf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4851D4AF535F4891B981AF4BF89EC085@OwnerPC> What braille note do you have? Maybe you should convert to .doc or .txt on the computer? If you can't do that, your teacher needs to provide you a file format you can read. After all its hers and your teacher of the blind's responsibility to help accommodate you. If you can't convert it yourself, go to them with your concern and I bet they will give you a text file. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: vejas Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Hi All, I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the next version? Sincerely, Vejas _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brlsurfer at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 01:55:16 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:55:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Message-ID: <4e72acb4.8275e70a.55b0.0cea@mx.google.com> Hi, Ashley. I have an Apex, version 9-0-1, 32-35ll. That's a good idea, about asking for the text file next time. Thanks a lot. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" I'm sorry, Ashley. I didn't realize you didn't intend it to go this far. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <4e72acb4.8275e70a.55b0.0cea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Vejas, Also, if the Apex won't support it, you might write humanware and suggest they support it in future versions. Some people say it is supported and others say no. You could always just try it or look on the humanware site or in your manual. The manual tells you what files it supports under the documents category. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: vejas Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Hi, Ashley. I have an Apex, version 9-0-1, 32-35ll. That's a good idea, about asking for the text file next time. Thanks a lot. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Hi Chris, Thank you for telling me about the Braillenote list-serve. I signed up the day you told me and sent them my Docx question. From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 02:36:46 2011 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:36:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread In-Reply-To: <4e72acb1.8275e70a.55b0.0ce8@mx.google.com> References: <4e72acb1.8275e70a.55b0.0ce8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I am literally one more 9-11 e-mail away from unsubscribing permanently to this list. . . -Jamie On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:55 PM, vejas wrote: > I'm sorry, Ashley. I didn't realize you didn't intend it to go this far. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:28:18 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread > > I think we decided not to talk about it. But the media and everyone made a > big deal this year because it was a decade ago. In history, we often mark > things by decade. I wanted to mention the tragedy of 9/11 because I > figured > some of you were commemorating at your campus via vigils or prayers or > moments of silence. I figured we could talk about what you did to > participate in the events to reflect on this tragedy as it does affect > students and it is a good reminder for us students to have a safety plan in > mind. For instance, if you are at home, have a cane at more than one > entrance. If you need to run out quickly, you may not be at an exit where > you place your cane, unless you plan ahead. > And I thought some of you may have had loved ones who you lost. > But the thing got out of hand and brought up politics instead. When a > tragedy strikes my family, we try to come together and put our differences > aside. I would hope the nation would do the same. I remember when my > uncle > passed unexpectedly from a heart attack, we all immediately dropped what we > were doing; we either drove or flew to SC depending on where we were in the > country. There was an outpouring of support for him with a memorial > service > quickly planned and carried out. Flowers, cards, and money were brought to > the funeral home. > > While I did not lose anyone in 9/11 I have lost friends and family dear to > me including my grandfather. > > Finally, I'm not sure who you are; it would be curteous for everyone to > sign > their name. > But for the comment on mass genocide, on the news it is talked about. So > I'd disagree that we do not recognize it. What about those rallies for > Darfur in DC? What about the protests and organizing I've heard about by > progressives? You actually have to watch the news to find out. And NPR had > lots of news on violence as well. > > Anyway, that is enough. I'll write more off list if you or anyone > responds. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:45 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread > > Then why talk about anything tragic on any day. oh, I find it kind of > strange that people made more of a big deal of 911 this year than the past > 9 > years. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for those who lost family members > and > for those who died, but come on. You don't hear people talking about the > mass genocides that happened in rwanda, Guatemala, armenia, and in other > nations. > > -----Original Message----- > From: vejas > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:04 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread > > But why talk about 9-11 on 9-15? It makes no sense whatsoever. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:41:58 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread > > Ok, I agree with you about wanting to keep this list to school, > and student > related issues, but you can't really stop the topics that people > want to > discuss. I have seen anouncements about radio shows, radio > stations, people > talking about their music, and the music that they created. It > is pointless > to try to ask someone to stop talking about something, they will > stop on > their own volition. It is up to who ever monetors this list to > stop, and > control the topics that are discussed on this list. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**brlsurfer%40g > mail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**frandi.galind > o%40gmail.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**brlsurfer%40g > mail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 03:10:11 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:10:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote In-Reply-To: References: <4e728100.295d340a.7e0b.ffff9779@mx.google.com> Message-ID: No--I haven't even tried opening .DOCX files with an apex. I don't have one anyways. But that is what I've heard from a humanware news release when the new keysoft 9.01 was released for the apex. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote I didn't think it supported that file. Do you speak from experience? -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:32 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Hello, I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you can write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas References: <4e720619.c2c5e70a.18ba.ffffcb21@mx.google.com> <711721D7648041EA96360338A2F87D17@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110915202240.01d2ee98@earthlink.net> Hi, guys I concur with this. Folk, die on a daily friggen basis yet, who ever cries for them? We are not special!At 03:45 PM 9/15/2011, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: > Then why talk about anything tragic on any day. oh, I find it > kind of strange that people made more of a big deal of 911 this > year than the past 9 years. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for > those who lost family members and for those who died, but come > on. You don't hear people talking about the mass genocides that > happened in rwanda, Guatemala, armenia, and in other nations. > >-----Original Message----- From: vejas >Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:04 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread > >But why talk about 9-11 on 9-15? It makes no sense whatsoever. >Vejas > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:41:58 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread > >Ok, I agree with you about wanting to keep this list to school, >and student >related issues, but you can't really stop the topics that people >want to >discuss. I have seen anouncements about radio shows, radio >stations, people >talking about their music, and the music that they created. It >is pointless >to try to ask someone to stop talking about something, they will >stop on >their own volition. It is up to who ever monetors this list to >stop, and >control the topics that are discussed on this list. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brlsurfer%40g >mail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 22:18:30 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:18:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: <4e73cb52.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff8dd9@mx.google.com> Hi Patrick, Good question! I think that's something the Federation should consider... maybe I'll bring it up at my state convention. Are there any games which those on this list play independently? A game that I have is Little League World Series for the Nintendo Wii. I've learned to listen to the "whoosh" sound effect it makes when the ball is pitched. If it's a louder sound, it's a four-seem fast ball and I can swing as soon as I hear the ball. But if it's a quieter and slower sound, it's a two-seemer, so when I hear the ball, I wait 2 seconds, then swing. I've hit many home runs off of my dad that way! * Smile! I think the Wii is the most accessible of all of them, as the Wii requires you to make the same motions you would in a real game (especially in the sports games) with the Wii remote, whereas the other game systems (Play Station, X-box, etc.) require you to press buttons to do certain actions. But, I think that companies can do a lot to make their games a lot more accessible, if the game system companies don't make their systems accessible. The problem, however, is that video games are so interactive, that things change very quickly, causing it a little hard to describe. Movies are described using a human narrator, since the graphics on the screen stay the same no matter how many times you watch the movie. But, that shouldn't be that much of a problem now, as things change very quickly on the roads as well. * Smile! Just my thoughts! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy This is a reply from the Blind Talk list. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "T. Joseph Carter" Hi Darian, Thank you so much for that list! I'll forward it to Melissa Riccobono, our affiliate President. Does anybody know the contact information for the Maryland Association of Blind Students (MDABS) President? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Darian Smith Hi Marsha, I use a Romeo embosser for text, and the Tiger for graphics. I don't know if the Tiger can emboss both regular Braille and graphics... does anybody else know that? Hope this helps! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth" Hi Amy, Ok. I'll try it again this weekend, and see if it's better! I look forward to hearing the new station! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" From Amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:05 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] The Rebirth Of An Online Radio Station Takes Place Tonight And You're Invited Greetings All! As many of you know, I've been running an online radio station since June called AudioAccessRadio. However, a few of us felt we could upgrade our radio concept a little, so after being behind closed doors for the weekend, we're ready to roll out the emerging and soon to be born AudioAccessFM! And the fun begins tonight! Starting at 7 PM eastern, you can go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com click on the link to listen, and be part of our rebirth's starting lineup. Kicking off the rebirth is Pop Tops With Dennis. This show takes you on a saphari through pop history by focusing on songs that made it to top ten or better on billboard, and each song has a common theme to it on each of the shows. The theme for tonight will be Sunshine. Then at 8 PM eastern, The Djd Invasion takes over the microphone with An interview with a musician named Blessing Offor A wide range of tunes to make you smile including your requests The chance for you to win either a 20 dollar amazon gift card or to play for 50 dollars, follow audioaccessfm on twitter for more details We'll also introduce you to some of the new talent that has joined our team! Things look very bright and hopeful for our future! Participation is easy during my show. I can be reached by aol or msn messenger at the address live at audioaccessfm.com via twitter at audioaccessfm via skype at audio.accessfm or by email at djd at audioaccessfm.com I'm very excited about the radio station's rebirth, and I hope to share it with you. So, whether you're wanting to hear Pop Tops, my show only at 8 PM eastern, or both, save this email, and at any time between 7 PM and either 190 or 11 eastern, visit http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php to tune in! I hope to see you all there! Best wishes, David Dunphy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 22:18:57 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:18:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille embossers Message-ID: <4e73cb6d.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff8dee@mx.google.com> The Romeo from HumanWare is great. It just won't Braille graphics, which the Tiger does. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" Hi Bridgit, You're absolutely right, and I appologize if I misspoke in my earlier post. What I was implying was the can of worms that was opened when I posted that article from the Forum. But you're right, and I think debates on Federation philosophy are much more productive than those like the one we had before (thank God that died down,) so long as they don't go into name-calling or bashing people or groups of people. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter ---- Original Message ------ From: HumanWare From the main menu press U for utilities Press M for miscellanious options Press space twice and press Y to answer yes to enter deep sleep mode Turn off the power switch The next time you turn on theApex you will notice that it will reset and take a bit longer to boot, however the power level will be very close to where it was when you put the unit in deep sleep mode. Regards The HumanWare Team Unsubscribe from email communications: http://visit.humanware.com/unsubscribe/u/3332/d45ff76efa2b26dd4a8 021f4cc94cbe8/269048648 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 22:19:00 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:19:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How to find luggage when traveling Message-ID: <4e73cb70.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff8df2@mx.google.com> Thanks for the information, Bridgit! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Hi Arielle, Thank you for the information! I'll take that advice with me next time I travel. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: Hi Arielle, Thanks for the information! This is great! I have a question on this for anybody who flies independently: how do you retrieve the right luggage from the carousel? In other words, how do you know which luggage is yours? Thanks! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman Hi Amy, I'm forwarding this to a friend of mine who's helping me with Outlook. I believe you have to use the vertual ribbons. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" Hi there, The Tiger can emboss tactile graphics, so yes I do imagine it can do graphs. Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum Hi Josh, Yes, I know it does graphs... that's what I mainly use it for. But is it spesific to graphs/graphics or does it emboss text as well? Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Gregory Oh I see what you mean now, Chris. Yes it does text. I'm pretty sure. sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum References: <4e711380.f318340a.017b.ffffa846@mx.google.com> Message-ID: We allow NFB partisan stuff here because it is our list and we pay for it. If you and others don't stop your political BS here I am going to throw you off! David Andrews, List Owner At 03:49 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >Well, you sensored it a little! LOL! Again, tell it like it is! Love >it! So, I have a question, then. As you said, "this forum has no >place for partisan agendas..." except for the NFB's partisan agenda? >Oh, so if we don't like partisanship politically on this list, then >why do we allow the partisan agenda of the NFB to be on this list? > >Chris > >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth >Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bridgit Pollpeter To: Date sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:11:02 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to be off the 9/11 thread > >To those who keep complaining about the 9/11 threads, be proactive and >start something new instead of complaining. And others have moved on. >We've discussed flying with a cane, traveling independently around an >airport, E-books online and the relaunch of a web radio show. >The only >obsessing I continue to see on this thread is those bitching about it, >and worse, those veering off with ridiculous, partisan comments, and >since I'm on it now, to each his own. You conservatives go on and on >about liberal agendas, but conservatives have agendas too- that's how >politics work. And if one group wants to organize and inform, then other >groups must be afforded the same opportunity. Just like two >organizations of the blind. So get off the soap boxes and realize this >forum has no place for partisan agendas especially when it degenerates >into attacks and name-calling. Once again, grow up. And now I'm going >against my own suggestion of leaving this sh*# to the moderator. >Geesh, >look what this reduces me to... > >Sincerely, >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:08:42 -0700 >From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > listSubject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks >Message-ID: <4e6f6422.8e42e70a.0b59.6a4d at mx.google.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > >Shouldn't we be done with this thread? It's been going on for >three days. From dandrews at visi.com Sat Sep 17 02:46:35 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:46:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to be approved by me. This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal messages etc. And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. David Andrews, List Owner From dandrews at visi.com Sat Sep 17 03:43:21 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:43:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or other modalities in the same way. Dave At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >Hi All, >I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >not video games? What do others think about this issue? >Patrick From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 17 03:41:02 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:41:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Do any of you have a Yahoo account? I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having problems. I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I hit enter, but nothing happens. What's going on? Please walk me through this, off list. Thanks, Joshua From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sat Sep 17 02:46:57 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:46:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote References: <4e728100.295d340a.7e0b.ffff9779@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Okay, yes, there is a BrailleNote list, which would be a better place to ask. However, to hopefully put an end to the confusion: 1. No, the BrailleNote Apex, and all other models for that purpose, do not support docx files. 2. You could write to HumanWare asking them to add docx support, but I would not hold my breath on it being in the next Keysoft version. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > No--I haven't even tried opening .DOCX files with an apex. I don't have > one > anyways. But that is what I've heard from a humanware news release when > the > new keysoft 9.01 was released for the apex. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > I didn't think it supported that file. Do you speak from experience? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:32 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hello, > I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does > support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you > can > write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as > of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb > drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher > gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She > was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you > think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the > next version? > Sincerely, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Sat Sep 17 15:41:17 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:41:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 In-Reply-To: <4e73cb6c.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff8ded@mx.google.com> References: <4e73cb6c.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff8ded@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <005c01cc7550$3e16b210$ba441630$@comcast.net> Hello chris, Well, I have already solved the problem on my own. I had to add this feature to the ribbons. But, thanks anyway for your help and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 4:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 Hi Amy, I'm forwarding this to a friend of mine who's helping me with Outlook. I believe you have to use the vertual ribbons. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" I forwarded Amy's question about Outlook to a friend of mine who is an experienced user. Here's what he had to say. Hope this helps! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "gary.legates" What's funny is you can read DOCX files on another Humanware product, namely the Victor Stream, but not on the BrailleNote. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hello, I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you can write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas They promised that, but I don't think it happened. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" Hi Ashley, It doesn't, except if you convert the DOCX file to a DOC, TXT, or RTF file. Humberto, I think you misunderstood. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Great! Hope you find the BN (acronym for BrailleNote, you'll see that a lot on that list) list useful. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas References: Message-ID: Hi Joshua, The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. Chris On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Do any of you have a Yahoo account? > I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having problems. > I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I > hit enter, but nothing happens. > What's going on? > Please walk me through this, off list. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 22:07:02 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:07:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Outlook shortcut key Message-ID: FYI... for all Outlook users. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "gary.legates" Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:55:30 -0400 Subject: RE: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 To: Chris Nusbaum Hi. I just found a shortcut key. If you want to send a message with a blind carbon copy, go I to your message by typing control n, and then type alt number 6. Not numpad 6, but number 6. This works for me. It is on the quick adcess toolbar, but I am having problems adding items to this. I can do it in wrd, but not in outlook. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum [mailto:dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:19 PM To: Gary Legates Subject: fw: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 Hi Gary, I'd like to know this too, so can you tell both of us how to attach a document to an email in Outlook? Thanks! Chris Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "Amy Sabo" Greetings all, The following announcement comes from the National Association of Blind StudentsHigh School committee, and is for all of you high school students out there. Are you a high school student? Are you looking to meet with other blind high school students? Do you want to develop leadership and learn ways of doing different tasks and more about the National Federation of the Blind? If so, join us as we talk about the basics of starting off a new year of high school. When: Sunday September, 18th at 7:00 p.m Eastern Where: 712-775-7100  Pass code: 257963 Bre Brown High school committee chair From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 17 04:21:21 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:21:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Mr Andrews. Would you be willing to help me, in starting a list for us to discuss one of the topics, that were being discussed here? We need a political talk list, where we can discuss the political issues, and how they relate to us, as blind individuals. That would be an interesting list idea. Thanks, Joshua On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or > so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list > under moderated status until they die out. This means that each > message has to be approved by me. > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students > and for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not > for political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, > personal messages etc. > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of > the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people > back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > David Andrews, List Owner > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 03:59:32 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:59:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: <4e741b30.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff9a4f@mx.google.com> Dave, I do indeed agree with you, but would like to add this: I do not know how many of you can play video games the way they are today, and, in some instances, I do agree that some are quite inaccessible. However, I do have a nintendo DS and find some of the games for this system to be semi-accessible if I am focused and pay attention enough to play them, which I do, I'm very into these types of things lol. I am a blind individual and play by sound and tactile feeling. Thoughts? Write offlist if you wish. Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews References: Message-ID: Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM To: Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so has > been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under > moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to > be approved by me. > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and > for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for > political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal > messages etc. > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the > list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on > track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > David Andrews, List Owner > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 05:18:40 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:18:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? Patrick On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: > We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And > ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are > based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or > other modalities in the same way. > > Dave > > At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >>Hi All, >>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >>not video games? What do others think about this issue? >>Patrick > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 18 01:25:11 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of your screen reader and browser. Dave At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >Hi Joshua, > >The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my >knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I >couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to >use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since >I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an >intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. > >Chris > >On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > Do any of you have a Yahoo account? > > I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having problems. > > I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I > > hit enter, but nothing happens. > > What's going on? > > Please walk me through this, off list. > > Thanks, Joshua > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 18 01:28:08 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:28:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, I am not willing, because I don't think it is necessary. Truly blindness-related political matters can be discussed on blind talk, or nfb talk. However, what most people mean when they say "political discussion," is that they want a place to state their right, or left views -- something you have already tried to do on nabs-l. Dave At 11:21 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote: >Hi, Mr Andrews. >Would you be willing to help me, in starting a list for us to discuss >one of the topics, that were being discussed here? >We need a political talk list, where we can discuss the political >issues, and how they relate to us, as blind individuals. >That would be an interesting list idea. >Thanks, Joshua > >On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: > > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or > > so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list > > under moderated status until they die out. This means that each > > message has to be approved by me. > > > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students > > and for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not > > for political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, > > personal messages etc. > > > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of > > the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people > > back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > > > David Andrews, List Owner From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 18 01:30:03 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:30:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games In-Reply-To: <4e741b30.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff9a4f@mx.google.com> References: <4e741b30.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff9a4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There have been various blind persons, over the years, who have figured out how to play some video games. If that is what you are in too then great -- I applaud your ingenuity. For me -- I don't have the time or interest. Dave At 10:59 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote: >Dave, >I do indeed agree with you, but would like to add this: > I do not know how many of you can play video games the way they > are today, and, in some instances, I do agree that some are quite > inaccessible. However, I do have a nintendo DS and find some of > the games for this system to be semi-accessible if I am focused and > pay attention enough to play them, which I do, I'm very into these > types of things lol. I am a blind individual and play by sound and > tactile feeling. > >Thoughts? Write offlist if you wish. >Best, >Josh > >sent from my Apex >Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:43:21 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games > >We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. >And >... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >other modalities in the same way. > >Dave > >At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >Hi All, >I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >not video games? What do others think about this issue? >Patrick From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 18 01:31:52 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:31:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The nabs board and other appointed persons, who have watched the list over the years have generally been good about keeping things on track. However, students are busy, and different people have different boiling points. I am there as a backup, as needed, I at least skim everything on every list. I try not to get to far behind, but sometime do -- as I did with nabs-l this week. Dave At 11:10 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote: >Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the >current board members have not done anything publically to steer the >list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate >this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by >the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you >can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Elizabeth > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "David Andrews" >Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >To: >Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >>The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or >>so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >>under moderated status until they die out. This means that each >>message has to be approved by me. >> >>This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >>students and for discussion of blindness-related student >>matters. It is not for political discussion, advertising internet >>radio stations, personal messages etc. >> >>And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of >>the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >>back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >>David Andrews, List Owner From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 18 01:33:43 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:33:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's the worst that could happen -- they could spend a bunch of money on something that is a flop, either it doesn't work, or blind people wouldn't buy. In an ideal world, what you ask would be done, but game makers, for the most part are seeing a shrinking business, so they aren't likely to take on a no win proposition. Dave At 12:18 AM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should >at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that >could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? >Patrick > >On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: > > We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And > > ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are > > based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or > > other modalities in the same way. > > > > Dave > > > > At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: > >>Hi All, > >>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the > >>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies > >>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? > >>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to > >>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and > >>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why > >>not video games? What do others think about this issue? > >>Patrick From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 01:41:14 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joshua, I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do that for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, so if you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. Please write me off list. Chris On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it > should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board > members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the > right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or > is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this > matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Andrews" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so has >> >> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to >> be approved by me. >> >> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >> messages etc. >> >> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >> David Andrews, List Owner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jcmunoz1989 at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 02:14:35 2011 From: jcmunoz1989 at gmail.com (Juan Munoz) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:14:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap forward? Respectfully, JC On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should > at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that > could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? > Patrick > > On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And >> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >> other modalities in the same way. >> >> Dave >> >> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >>>Hi All, >>>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >>>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >>>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >>>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >>>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >>>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >>>not video games? What do others think about this issue? >>>Patrick >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jcmunoz1989%40gmail.com > -- Respectfully, Juan Carlos Munoz, President Texas Association Of Blind Students www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: (832) 378-8632 From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Sep 18 01:28:44 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:28:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote References: <4e75078b.cb58340a.0ec0.7045@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <358B2805E4DE42BBA9036130B03F1330@stanford.edu> Yes, that is funny, but comparing BrailleNotes to Victor Streams is like comparing apples to oranges. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > What's funny is you can read DOCX files on another Humanware product, > namely the Victor Stream, but not on the BrailleNote. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:45:54 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > As of now, the BrailleNote does NOT support docx files. It's the one > problem I have with the BrailleNote. I find that the best thing to do > is convert your docx files to .doc files. However, Humanware really > should do something to make reading docx files possible, because I > wonder how much longer .doc will be available? > Patrick > > On 9/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does > support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you > can > write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as > of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb > drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher > gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She > was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you > think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the > next version? > Sincerely, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Sep 18 01:29:47 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:29:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! References: Message-ID: <3FC23E7FE2B94BEF9FA26F8CF37B7418@stanford.edu> How long ago did you have your Yahoo! account? ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > Hi Joshua, > > The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my > knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I > couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to > use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email > client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since > I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an > intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. > > Chris > > On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having >> problems. >> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I >> hit enter, but nothing happens. >> What's going on? >> Please walk me through this, off list. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 18 04:03:57 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EF09B0BBADF4279A89E1C6E2F1A6C68@OwnerPC> All, I also wish we had a list for politics. Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to Joshua's proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on the nfbnet server, but we could use google. I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Hi Joshua, I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do that for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, so if you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. Please write me off list. Chris On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it > should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board > members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the > right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, > or > is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this > matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Andrews" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so >> has >> >> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to >> be approved by me. >> >> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >> messages etc. >> >> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >> David Andrews, List Owner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 18 04:31:51 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:31:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class Message-ID: Hi all, Although college has mostly lectures, in some subjects such as english, we have more interaction in class and assignments in class. We might be given a short essay to read and comment on either orally or in writing. Sometimes we’d read it and discuss as a class afterward. Other times, students access their books via skimming during discussions. How do you deal with these assignments? I have asked a classmate to read to me or sometimes the professor themselves helps out. I remember in english when we had to write argument essays that we had an example that we discussed as a class. For general discussions about homework reading, I read it outside class and referenced my notes in class. I had no access to the material in class. So when the professor said, “look on page 22 at paragraph titled Toads" and notice how Joe Smith used metaphor” or says “look at page 12, third paragraph,” I can’t access this. If it’s a long pause, sometimes a classmate tells me what it says, but other times I just listen. I thought about bringing my rfb book in if I had it via RFB, but figured by the time I set up the player and got to the page, the students would have found and skimmed the section. After all, its usually only a few minutes that I hear the rustling of pagesor frantic flipping of pages to find that passage so they can answer the professor’s questions. I always like to participate, but this is an area where I couldn’t do it as much. I wondered if you all felt in the same boat? Ashley From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 18 04:06:36 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:06:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elizabeth, As you know, sometimes things get heated here whether its on topic or not. There is a list serve chair; it used to be Arielle. I am not positive whom it is so I won't name names. Anyway, we've calmed down and I'm sure we can have a peaceful list once again. After all we are all youth or young adults. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM To: Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so has > been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under > moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to > be approved by me. > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and > for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for > political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal > messages etc. > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the > list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on > track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > David Andrews, List Owner > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 05:27:41 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 01:27:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices Message-ID: Hi all, As I move through graduate school and do more and more independent travel around town, I'm starting to think that an accessible GPS device may be an useful addition to my toolbox. Based on some preliminary research, it seems that Treeker Breeze and the newly released Kapten Plus are my main options (I use a Nokia Symbian phone, so gps programs designed specifically for iphones or Windows-based smartphones would not work for me). Has anyone had any experience with either Treeker Breeze or Kapten? What do you like and dislike about your device? Do you feel that it is helpful for your independent travel? One thing I noticed with the Treeker Breeze according to its on-line description is that it does not appear to have an earphone jack. Have you found this problematic (I would think that it might be hard to hear the sppeech output on the streets)? Any impressions/experiences you have to share would be much appreciated. Thanks! Katie From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 20:37:42 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:37:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! Message-ID: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com> Hi Dave, Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I switched. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews wrote: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Do any of you have a Yahoo account? I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having problems. I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I hit enter, but nothing happens. What's going on? Please walk me through this, off list. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From graduate56 at juno.com Sun Sep 18 18:00:06 2011 From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:00:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Conference Call Reminder. Message-ID: <16FAFAAD07AF40BFAF85BAE7AF920A0C@melissa> This is a reminder about the colorado asociation of blind students(cabs) conference call this evening at 6:30PM. The number to call in is as follows 605-475-6006 and the code to enter is: > 587726 Blessings Melissa Green don't let someone become a priority in your life.....when you are just an option in theirs From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 20:37:43 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:37:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! Message-ID: <4e7656b5.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a80@mx.google.com> I created it at the end of 2009 and had it until the summer of 2010 (my mom read my emails to me, how dependent was that) and then found out that Gmail was more accessible, so I switched. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Do any of you have a Yahoo account? I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having problems. I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I hit enter, but nothing happens. What's going on? Please walk me through this, off list. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 18 04:09:42 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:09:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <3FC23E7FE2B94BEF9FA26F8CF37B7418@stanford.edu> References: <3FC23E7FE2B94BEF9FA26F8CF37B7418@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Chris, it has changed. They have an audio captcha, now. It's just slow, when the suggestions are coming up, when it won't accept your ID, for E-mail. Blessings, Joshua On 9/17/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > How long ago did you have your Yahoo! account? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > > >> Hi Joshua, >> >> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my >> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I >> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to >> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since >> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an >> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having >>> problems. >>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I >>> hit enter, but nothing happens. >>> What's going on? >>> Please walk me through this, off list. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 23:11:31 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: <4e767ab2.b4ac340a.7f8e.ffff9b73@mx.google.com> I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a gmail. sent from my Apex Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Dear Friend, I assume that this message will reach you in good health. However, it's just my urgent need for foreign partner that made me to contact you for this transaction. I assured you honesty and reliability to champion this business opportunity. I'm Joel Zoma, from Burkina Faso West Africa, I’m the foreign operation manager of the Bank of Africa. I have the opportunity of transferring the left over funds what of ($9,6.Million Dollars) from the account of our bank's customer who died along with his entire family in a plane crash. I am contacting you for this business while the money will be shared between us in the ratio of 50/50,on the acceptance of my proposal, Further details of the transfer will be forwarded to you as soon as i receive your response.Please indicate your willingness by providing the below information for easy communication. Full Name... Contact address...Tel... Hoping to hear from you as soon as possible.Regards Joel.  From jty727 at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 18:34:16 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:34:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS Message-ID: Hello All, Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I must admit I don't know much about PDFs. Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. Justin From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 22:53:56 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:53:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave, Some people would say the blind driver challenge is a waste of time and money which would be better spent on something practical and possible and it's a valid point. But I think lots of us agree that it's a risk worth taking because of the potential benefits. Now I'm not suggesting accessible video games would be as valuable for us as a car we could drive, but if our goal is to help us live on terms of equality with the sighted world then it's certainly within the scope of that mission. Should pressuring gaming companies to at least try and make something accessible be one of the top priorities of the nNFB? Of course not. But is it something worth pursuing? I say so. After all, it's very possible, some would say likely, that the blind driver challenge will just be a waste of millions of dollars that could be put into something actually useful. I think this is a similar situation, on a much smaller scale. Thoughts, anyone? Best, Kirt On 9/17/11, Juan Munoz wrote: > Hi all, > > My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and > those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The > newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that > the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I > grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to > play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when > I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often > wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the > enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can > think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by > either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player > options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond > this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap > forward? > > Respectfully, > JC > > On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should >> at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that >> could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? >> Patrick >> >> On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And >>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >>> other modalities in the same way. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >>>>Hi All, >>>>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >>>>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >>>>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >>>>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >>>>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >>>>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >>>>not video games? What do others think about this issue? >>>>Patrick >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jcmunoz1989%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Respectfully, > > Juan Carlos Munoz, President > Texas Association Of Blind Students > www.nfbtx.org/tabs > Phone: (832) 378-8632 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From menno.schaap at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 21:05:24 2011 From: menno.schaap at gmail.com (Menno Schaap) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:05:24 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible ebooks In-Reply-To: <4e711370.f318340a.017b.ffffa83b@mx.google.com> References: <4e711370.f318340a.017b.ffffa83b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <013001cc7646$b0ede230$12c9a690$@gmail.com> Hi All, Thanks a lot for the replies ! I already downloaded the blio ebook reader software and wil try out the adobe digital edition. Unfortunately I am not a US citizen, but I already in the process to get a bookshare account. I will share my experiences. Met vriendelijke groet, Menno Schaap Victorieplein 22-I 1078 PE amsterdam The Netherlands M: +31 (0)6 45 548 956 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] Namens Chris Nusbaum Verzonden: woensdag 14 september 2011 22:49 Aan: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [nabs-l] accessible ebooks Hi Beth, The Stratus is like the upgraded version of the Stream. Go to humanware.com for more information. BTW, now that I've added you to Skype, feel free to give me a call sometime! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth When does it end? ----- Original Message ----- From: Darian Smith Message-ID: <620695B79EFB46898E689EF1239B855A@stanford.edu> Okay, that's why then. It has changed since summer 2010. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >I created it at the end of 2009 and had it until the summer of 2010 (my mom >read my emails to me, how dependent was that) and then found out that Gmail >was more accessible, so I switched. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:29:47 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > > How long ago did you have your Yahoo! account? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > > > Hi Joshua, > > The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my > knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I > couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to > use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email > client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since > I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an > intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. > > Chris > > On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Do any of you have a Yahoo account? > I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having > problems. > I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I > hit enter, but nothing happens. > What's going on? > Please walk me through this, off list. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 18 23:25:01 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:25:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Updated text documentation for JAWS 13 public beta Message-ID: > > From the archive >http://EmpowermentZone.com/jfw13doc.zip > >This is a comprehensive set of text documentation for the JAWS 13.0 >screen reader from >http://FreedomScientific.com > >Help files in .chm format were converted to structured text >format. This format has simple conventions that support additional >navigation options over plain text. For example, the EdSharp >editor, available at >http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe > >includes hotkeys such as Control+PageDown or Control+PageUp to move >forward or backward among topical sections in such a >document. Pressing F6 on a topic name in the table of contents goes >to the corresponding section in the body. Shift+F6 returns to the >table of contents from the body. Control+F6 searches for a section >based on text in its topic name. Alt+F6 searches for the next match. > >The following 38 files are included in the archive: > >Basics_of_Scripting.txt >braille.txt >builtin.txt >default.txt >FIND.TXT >fsdn.txt >HJAdmin.txt >HJPad.txt >JAWS 13 Updated Functions.txt >JAWS 13 Updated Scripts.txt >JAWS Quick Start Guide.txt >JAWS Tandem Quick Start Guide.txt >jconfig.txt >jdiction.txt >JFW.txt >jkey.txt >jscript.txt >JTandem.txt >Keystrokes.txt >NavigationQuickKeysSample-Word-2003.txt >PackagedDirReadMe.txt >PersonalizedSettingsDirReadMe.txt >PlaceMarkerDirReadMe.txt >PlaceMarkers Readme File.txt >popapps.txt >Readme for Personalized Web Settings.txt >ReadMe.txt >Remote.txt >ScriptingManual.txt >SettingsCenter.txt >SettingsPackager.txt >SoundsDirReadMe.txt >SPELLING.TXT >tutorial.txt >What's New.txt >winvnc.readme.txt >XTraSpeechAndSoundsManager readme.txt >ZipDirReadMe.txt > > >At least two files are targeted toward beginning script >writers: the Basics of Scripting tutorial (Basics_of_Scripting.txt) >and the original scripting manual called "Everything You Always >Wanted to Know About Writing JAWS Scripts, But Didn't Know Whom to >Ask" (ScriptingManual.txt). Advanced scripters may appreciate the >reference manual for the Freedom Scientific Developer Network >(fsdn.txt). They may also value the analysis of differences between >the scripting languages of JAWS 12 and 13. 109 functions and 28 >scripts are documented, respectively, in the files >JAWS 13 Updated Functions.txt >and >JAWS 13 Updated Scripts.txt > >A function or script was considered updated if it is either new in >JAWS 13, or its documentation has changed since JAWS 12. > > >Jamal Mazrui >September 18, 2011 > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Sep 18 23:29:34 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:29:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS References: Message-ID: <06004D707ECC4FA8BB8A4A21F685E450@stanford.edu> Unfortunately, there's no making JAWS read the PDF if it is a certain type. If you have a PDF that is a graphic of text, then you have to scan it or send off to a conversion website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:34 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > Hello All, > > Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience > with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to > read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced > this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I > must admit I don't know much about PDFs. > > Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 18 23:39:24 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:39:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thankfully, my instructors for English didn't do things that way. We did all of our reading, outside of class, and E-mailed our work to them. Do you know if there are any textbooks on www.bookshare.org? I've been receiving E-mails that say, "Bookshare for University." What's that about? Also, you could get the handouts, and scan them, if you have Open Book, and then Braille them, with a Braille Embosser, (if you have one.) I wish I had one, (BTW.) Just my thoughts. Blessings, Joshua On 9/17/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > Although college has mostly lectures, in some subjects such as english, we > have more interaction in class and assignments in class. We might be given a > short essay to read and comment on either orally or in writing. Sometimes > we’d read it and discuss as a class afterward. Other times, students access > their books via skimming during discussions. How do you deal with these > assignments? I have asked a classmate to read to me or sometimes the > professor themselves helps out. I remember in english when we had to write > argument essays that we had an example that we discussed as a class. For > general discussions about homework reading, I read it outside class and > referenced my notes in class. I had no access to the material in class. So > when the professor said, “look on page 22 at paragraph titled Toads" and > notice how Joe Smith used metaphor” or says “look at page 12, third > paragraph,” I can’t access this. If it’s a long pause, sometimes a classmate > tells me what it says, but other times I just listen. I thought about > bringing my rfb book in if I had it via RFB, but figured by the time I set > up the player and got to the page, the students would have found and skimmed > the section. After all, its usually only a few minutes that I hear the > rustling of pagesor frantic flipping of pages to find that passage so they > can answer the professor’s questions. > > I always like to participate, but this is an area where I couldn’t do it as > much. I wondered if you all felt in the same boat? > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 18 23:53:11 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:53:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It really has more to do with PDF's than JAWS. There are many different ways to create PDF's, and some of them produce more accessible documents then others. It is also possible to alter a PDF after it is created, to make it more accessible, but this is work for someone who knows how to do it. Dave At 01:34 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: >Hello All, > >Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience >with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to >read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced >this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I >must admit I don't know much about PDFs. > >Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. > >Justin From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 18 23:58:14 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:58:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, you make some good points, but the two situations are not the same and I still am not convinced. Yes, some people say the Blind Driver Challenge is a waste. Many of us think it is important. We the blind are either paying for it ourselves, or raising the money. This is different from compelling a third party to do it for us. Secondly, most people can see the importance of being able to drive, and most of us, sighted and blind alike, would not put playing video games in the same place. Yes, we could learn valuable things from it, but it frankly would be a hard sell to members and outsiders. For me it is a pretty low priority. I work in rehab and it is getting harder to get blind guys jobs, even entry level jobs, in part because of more complex computer systems and software. This, and the BDC and other ythings should be a higher priority. Finally, I am guilty too, this is mostly off topic for this list. Sorry! Dave At 05:53 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: >Dave, > Some people would say the blind driver challenge is a waste of time >and money which would be better spent on something practical and >possible and it's a valid point. But I think lots of us agree that >it's a risk worth taking because of the potential benefits. > Now I'm not suggesting accessible video games would be as valuable >for us as a car we could drive, but if our goal is to help us live on >terms of equality with the sighted world then it's certainly within >the scope of that mission. Should pressuring gaming companies to at >least try and make something accessible be one of the top priorities >of the nNFB? Of course not. But is it something worth pursuing? I >say so. After all, it's very possible, some would say likely, that >the blind driver challenge will just be a waste of millions of dollars >that could be put into something actually useful. I think this is a >similar situation, on a much smaller scale. Thoughts, anyone? > Best, >Kirt > >On 9/17/11, Juan Munoz wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and > > those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The > > newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that > > the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I > > grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to > > play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when > > I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often > > wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the > > enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can > > think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by > > either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player > > options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond > > this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap > > forward? > > > > Respectfully, > > JC > > > > On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: > >> Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should > >> at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that > >> could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? > >> Patrick > >> > >> On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: > >>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And > >>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are > >>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or > >>> other modalities in the same way. > >>> > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: > >>>>Hi All, > >>>>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the > >>>>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies > >>>>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? > >>>>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to > >>>>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and > >>>>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why > >>>>not video games? What do others think about this issue? > >>>>Patrick > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jcmunoz1989%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Respectfully, > > > > Juan Carlos Munoz, President > > Texas Association Of Blind Students > > www.nfbtx.org/tabs > > Phone: (832) 378-8632 From samarositz at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 23:59:45 2011 From: samarositz at gmail.com (Alex Marositz) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:59:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible PDF Documents on the Mac Message-ID: <007601cc765f$0c5109f0$24f31dd0$@gmail.com> Hello List I am hopeful you can help. I have a very good, accessible PDF version of my textbook. It is searchable, correctly paginated, and has a table of contents with several layers of bookmarks for easy navigation. I say this because I don't want anyone to think this is a problem with the PDF file itself. At home, I have a windows based computer I can use Adobe Acrobat Pro to read the file but in class, I bring a Mac notebook for taking notes. When I view my textbook on the mac using Preview, Voiceover does not recognize many of the text characters in the file. For instance, "They" becomes "hey". The errors are so frequent, the book is nearly unreadable. There are times when I need to refer to the book in class. Can anyone suggest changes I need to make to Voiceover or Preview to have it read correctly. Short of that, can anyone suggest an alternative program for reading PDF files on the Mac? So far as I can tell, Adobe Reader is inaccessible to Voiceover. Thank you in advance for your time and attention. Alex Marositz Skype and Twitter: samarositz -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:00 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 59, Issue 22 Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to nabs-l at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 (Amy Sabo) 2. Re: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 (Chris Nusbaum) 3. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Chris Nusbaum) 4. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Chris Nusbaum) 5. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Chris Nusbaum) 6. Re: for chris (Chris Nusbaum) 7. Re: Trouble with Yahoo! (chris nusbaum) 8. Fwd: Outlook shortcut key (chris nusbaum) 9. nabs High School Committee Presents: Getting ready for the school year! (Darian Smith) 10. Re: Off Topic Messages (Joshua Lester) 11. Re: accessible video games (Josh Gregory) 12. Re: Off Topic Messages (Elizabeth) 13. Re: accessible video games (Patrick Molloy) 14. Re: Trouble with Yahoo! (David Andrews) 15. Re: Off Topic Messages (David Andrews) 16. Re: accessible video games (David Andrews) 17. Re: Off Topic Messages (David Andrews) 18. Re: accessible video games (David Andrews) 19. Re: Off Topic Messages (chris nusbaum) 20. Re: accessible video games (Juan Munoz) 21. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) 22. Re: Trouble with Yahoo! (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:41:17 -0600 From: "Amy Sabo" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 Message-ID: <005c01cc7550$3e16b210$ba441630$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello chris, Well, I have already solved the problem on my own. I had to add this feature to the ribbons. But, thanks anyway for your help and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 4:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 Hi Amy, I'm forwarding this to a friend of mine who's helping me with Outlook. I believe you have to use the vertual ribbons. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" To: NABS list , amylsabo at comcast.net Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 Message-ID: <4e750175.03d7e00a.4542.ffffbde2 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed I forwarded Amy's question about Outlook to a friend of mine who is an experienced user. Here's what he had to say. Hope this helps! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "gary.legates" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Message-ID: <4e75078b.cb58340a.0ec0.7045 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed What's funny is you can read DOCX files on another Humanware product, namely the Victor Stream, but not on the BrailleNote. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hello, I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you can write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Message-ID: <4e750794.cb58340a.0ec0.704a at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed They promised that, but I don't think it happened. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Message-ID: <4e75078d.cb58340a.0ec0.7046 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Ashley, It doesn't, except if you convert the DOCX file to a DOC, TXT, or RTF file. Humberto, I think you misunderstood. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] for chris Message-ID: <4e750792.cb58340a.0ec0.7048 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Great! Hope you find the BN (acronym for BrailleNote, you'll see that a lot on that list) list useful. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Joshua, The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. Chris On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Do any of you have a Yahoo account? > I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having problems. > I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I > hit enter, but nothing happens. > What's going on? > Please walk me through this, off list. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:07:02 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , Amy Sabo Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Outlook shortcut key Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 FYI... for all Outlook users. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "gary.legates" Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:55:30 -0400 Subject: RE: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 To: Chris Nusbaum Hi. I just found a shortcut key. If you want to send a message with a blind carbon copy, go I to your message by typing control n, and then type alt number 6. Not numpad 6, but number 6. This works for me. It is on the quick adcess toolbar, but I am having problems adding items to this. I can do it in wrd, but not in outlook. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum [mailto:dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:19 PM To: Gary Legates Subject: fw: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 Hi Gary, I'd like to know this too, so can you tell both of us how to attach a document to an email in Outlook? Thanks! Chris Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "Amy Sabo" To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [nabs-l] nabs High School Committee Presents: Getting ready for the school year! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Greetings all, The following announcement comes from the National Association of Blind StudentsHigh School committee, and is for all of you high school students out there. Are you a high school student? Are you looking to meet with other blind high school students? Do you want to develop leadership and learn ways of doing different tasks and more about the National Federation of the Blind? If so, join us as we talk about the basics of starting off a new year of high school. When: Sunday September, 18th at 7:00 p.m Eastern Where: 712-775-7100? Pass code: 257963 Bre Brown High school committee chair ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:21:21 -0500 From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Mr Andrews. Would you be willing to help me, in starting a list for us to discuss one of the topics, that were being discussed here? We need a political talk list, where we can discuss the political issues, and how they relate to us, as blind individuals. That would be an interesting list idea. Thanks, Joshua On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or > so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list > under moderated status until they die out. This means that each > message has to be approved by me. > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students > and for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not > for political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, > personal messages etc. > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of > the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people > back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > David Andrews, List Owner > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:59:32 -0400 From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: <4e741b30.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff9a4f at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Dave, I do indeed agree with you, but would like to add this: I do not know how many of you can play video games the way they are today, and, in some instances, I do agree that some are quite inaccessible. However, I do have a nintendo DS and find some of the games for this system to be semi-accessible if I am focused and pay attention enough to play them, which I do, I'm very into these types of things lol. I am a blind individual and play by sound and tactile feeling. Thoughts? Write offlist if you wish. Best, Josh sent from my Apex Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM To: Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so has > been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under > moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to > be approved by me. > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and > for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for > political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal > messages etc. > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the > list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on > track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > David Andrews, List Owner > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:18:40 -0400 From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? Patrick On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: > We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And > ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are > based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or > other modalities in the same way. > > Dave > > At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >>Hi All, >>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >>not video games? What do others think about this issue? >>Patrick > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of your screen reader and browser. Dave At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >Hi Joshua, > >The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my >knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I >couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to >use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since >I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an >intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. > >Chris > >On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > Do any of you have a Yahoo account? > > I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having problems. > > I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I > > hit enter, but nothing happens. > > What's going on? > > Please walk me through this, off list. > > Thanks, Joshua > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om > > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:28:08 -0500 From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed No, I am not willing, because I don't think it is necessary. Truly blindness-related political matters can be discussed on blind talk, or nfb talk. However, what most people mean when they say "political discussion," is that they want a place to state their right, or left views -- something you have already tried to do on nabs-l. Dave At 11:21 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote: >Hi, Mr Andrews. >Would you be willing to help me, in starting a list for us to discuss >one of the topics, that were being discussed here? >We need a political talk list, where we can discuss the political >issues, and how they relate to us, as blind individuals. >That would be an interesting list idea. >Thanks, Joshua > >On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: > > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or > > so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list > > under moderated status until they die out. This means that each > > message has to be approved by me. > > > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students > > and for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not > > for political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, > > personal messages etc. > > > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of > > the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people > > back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > > > David Andrews, List Owner ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:30:03 -0500 From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There have been various blind persons, over the years, who have figured out how to play some video games. If that is what you are in too then great -- I applaud your ingenuity. For me -- I don't have the time or interest. Dave At 10:59 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote: >Dave, >I do indeed agree with you, but would like to add this: > I do not know how many of you can play video games the way they > are today, and, in some instances, I do agree that some are quite > inaccessible. However, I do have a nintendo DS and find some of > the games for this system to be semi-accessible if I am focused and > pay attention enough to play them, which I do, I'm very into these > types of things lol. I am a blind individual and play by sound and > tactile feeling. > >Thoughts? Write offlist if you wish. >Best, >Josh > >sent from my Apex >Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:43:21 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games > >We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. >And >... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >other modalities in the same way. > >Dave > >At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >Hi All, >I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >not video games? What do others think about this issue? >Patrick ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:31:52 -0500 From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The nabs board and other appointed persons, who have watched the list over the years have generally been good about keeping things on track. However, students are busy, and different people have different boiling points. I am there as a backup, as needed, I at least skim everything on every list. I try not to get to far behind, but sometime do -- as I did with nabs-l this week. Dave At 11:10 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote: >Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the >current board members have not done anything publically to steer the >list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate >this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by >the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you >can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Elizabeth > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "David Andrews" >Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >To: >Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >>The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or >>so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >>under moderated status until they die out. This means that each >>message has to be approved by me. >> >>This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >>students and for discussion of blindness-related student >>matters. It is not for political discussion, advertising internet >>radio stations, personal messages etc. >> >>And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of >>the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >>back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >>David Andrews, List Owner ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:33:43 -0500 From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed What's the worst that could happen -- they could spend a bunch of money on something that is a flop, either it doesn't work, or blind people wouldn't buy. In an ideal world, what you ask would be done, but game makers, for the most part are seeing a shrinking business, so they aren't likely to take on a no win proposition. Dave At 12:18 AM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should >at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that >could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? >Patrick > >On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: > > We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And > > ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are > > based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or > > other modalities in the same way. > > > > Dave > > > > At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: > >>Hi All, > >>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the > >>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies > >>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? > >>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to > >>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and > >>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why > >>not video games? What do others think about this issue? > >>Patrick ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:14 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Joshua, I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do that for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, so if you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. Please write me off list. Chris On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it > should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board > members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the > right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or > is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this > matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Andrews" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so has >> >> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to >> be approved by me. >> >> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >> messages etc. >> >> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >> David Andrews, List Owner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:14:35 -0500 From: Juan Munoz To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap forward? Respectfully, JC On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should > at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that > could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? > Patrick > > On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And >> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >> other modalities in the same way. >> >> Dave >> >> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >>>Hi All, >>>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >>>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >>>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >>>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >>>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >>>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >>>not video games? What do others think about this issue? >>>Patrick >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jcmunoz1989%40gmail.com > -- Respectfully, Juan Carlos Munoz, President Texas Association Of Blind Students www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: (832) 378-8632 ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:28:44 -0700 From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote Message-ID: <358B2805E4DE42BBA9036130B03F1330 at stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Yes, that is funny, but comparing BrailleNotes to Victor Streams is like comparing apples to oranges. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > What's funny is you can read DOCX files on another Humanware product, > namely the Victor Stream, but not on the BrailleNote. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:45:54 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > As of now, the BrailleNote does NOT support docx files. It's the one > problem I have with the BrailleNote. I find that the best thing to do > is convert your docx files to .doc files. However, Humanware really > should do something to make reading docx files possible, because I > wonder how much longer .doc will be available? > Patrick > > On 9/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does > support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you > can > write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as > of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb > drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher > gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She > was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you > think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the > next version? > Sincerely, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c om ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:29:47 -0700 From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! Message-ID: <3FC23E7FE2B94BEF9FA26F8CF37B7418 at stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original How long ago did you have your Yahoo! account? ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > Hi Joshua, > > The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my > knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I > couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to > use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email > client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since > I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an > intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. > > Chris > > On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having >> problems. >> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I >> hit enter, but nothing happens. >> What's going on? >> Please walk me through this, off list. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c om ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 59, Issue 22 ************************************** From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 00:05:38 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:05:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kirt, You raise a good point. I mean, we really don't know what the future holds. Maybe someday you and I will be able to drive a car just like everyone else. And maybe someday you and I will be able to play video games just like our sighted friends. But we won't know unless we try. I personally think there's nothing to lose by at least trying to talk to game companies and see what they have to say. The worst thing that could happen would be that they try and make a game accessible, and it doesn't work. Patrick On 9/18/11, David Andrews wrote: > Well, you make some good points, but the two situations are not the > same and I still am not convinced. > > Yes, some people say the Blind Driver Challenge is a waste. Many of > us think it is important. We the blind are either paying for it > ourselves, or raising the money. This is different from compelling a > third party to do it for us. Secondly, most people can see the > importance of being able to drive, and most of us, sighted and blind > alike, would not put playing video games in the same place. Yes, we > could learn valuable things from it, but it frankly would be a hard > sell to members and outsiders. > > For me it is a pretty low priority. I work in rehab and it is > getting harder to get blind guys jobs, even entry level jobs, in part > because of more complex computer systems and software. This, and the > BDC and other ythings should be a higher priority. > > Finally, I am guilty too, this is mostly off topic for this list. Sorry! > > Dave > > At 05:53 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: >>Dave, >> Some people would say the blind driver challenge is a waste of time >>and money which would be better spent on something practical and >>possible and it's a valid point. But I think lots of us agree that >>it's a risk worth taking because of the potential benefits. >> Now I'm not suggesting accessible video games would be as valuable >>for us as a car we could drive, but if our goal is to help us live on >>terms of equality with the sighted world then it's certainly within >>the scope of that mission. Should pressuring gaming companies to at >>least try and make something accessible be one of the top priorities >>of the nNFB? Of course not. But is it something worth pursuing? I >>say so. After all, it's very possible, some would say likely, that >>the blind driver challenge will just be a waste of millions of dollars >>that could be put into something actually useful. I think this is a >>similar situation, on a much smaller scale. Thoughts, anyone? >> Best, >>Kirt >> >>On 9/17/11, Juan Munoz wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and >> > those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The >> > newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that >> > the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I >> > grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to >> > play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when >> > I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often >> > wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the >> > enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can >> > think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by >> > either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player >> > options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond >> > this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap >> > forward? >> > >> > Respectfully, >> > JC >> > >> > On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> >> Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should >> >> at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that >> >> could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And >> >>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >> >>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >> >>> other modalities in the same way. >> >>> >> >>> Dave >> >>> >> >>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >> >>>>Hi All, >> >>>>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >> >>>>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >> >>>>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >> >>>>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >> >>>>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >> >>>>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >> >>>>not video games? What do others think about this issue? >> >>>>Patrick >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jcmunoz1989%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Respectfully, >> > >> > Juan Carlos Munoz, President >> > Texas Association Of Blind Students >> > www.nfbtx.org/tabs >> > Phone: (832) 378-8632 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 00:09:37 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:09:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Justin, What you want to do is get yourself a copy of Adobe Acrobat for your computer. Then, when you've got one of those PDF's that isn't accessible, Adobe will convert it for you. Otherwise, JAWS will just read the thing as "Blank Document." I speak from experience. Patrick On 9/18/11, David Andrews wrote: > It really has more to do with PDF's than JAWS. There are many > different ways to create PDF's, and some of them produce more > accessible documents then others. It is also possible to alter a PDF > after it is created, to make it more accessible, but this is work for > someone who knows how to do it. > > Dave > > At 01:34 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: >>Hello All, >> >>Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience >>with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to >>read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced >>this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I >>must admit I don't know much about PDFs. >> >>Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. >> >>Justin > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 00:09:42 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:09:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45921ABAFF5A46A8B500DE5E61E248E8@Cptr233> I ask that the professor sent me handouts electronically before hand, so that I can have them on a notetaker for class. This is also the same for readings or passages that a professor will discuss in class, those things need to be given to you ahead of time, so that you can review them and be prepared. If it's a short little something you need to read and then comment about, other students might be willing to read it. Another trick is, if your book is from bookshare, or from the publisher as a PDF, search for this text while in class, is doable. But your going to need to do it quickly and efficiently. If I don't have access to materials in class, I gather as much information about it while in class, and then go back afterwards and merge my notes and whatever I didn't have access to. This means you will need to take pretty good notes. Just some suggestions, Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class Hi all, Although college has mostly lectures, in some subjects such as english, we have more interaction in class and assignments in class. We might be given a short essay to read and comment on either orally or in writing. Sometimes we'd read it and discuss as a class afterward. Other times, students access their books via skimming during discussions. How do you deal with these assignments? I have asked a classmate to read to me or sometimes the professor themselves helps out. I remember in english when we had to write argument essays that we had an example that we discussed as a class. For general discussions about homework reading, I read it outside class and referenced my notes in class. I had no access to the material in class. So when the professor said, "look on page 22 at paragraph titled Toads" and notice how Joe Smith used metaphor" or says "look at page 12, third paragraph," I can't access this. If it's a long pause, sometimes a classmate tells me what it says, but other times I just listen. I thought about bringing my rfb book in if I had it via RFB, but figured by the time I set up the player and got to the page, the students would have found and skimmed the section. After all, its usually only a few minutes that I hear the rustling of pagesor frantic flipping of pages to find that passage so they can answer the professor's questions. I always like to participate, but this is an area where I couldn't do it as much. I wondered if you all felt in the same boat? Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6474 (20110918) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6474 (20110918) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 00:12:45 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:12:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <363C5954FA35454BAB9F5B5A395BE3D1@Cptr233> You could go at this in several different ways. If you have a PDF, you can always extract the text, into a Text file. You could also open a PDF into Kurzweil. If it's a picture you can open it in Kurzweil and see what you get. PDF's are the most by far frustrating thing ever. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS Hello All, Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I must admit I don't know much about PDFs. Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6474 (20110918) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6474 (20110918) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 00:18:20 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:18:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Katie, The Breeze is OK as GPS's go. It's not the most reliable piece of technology (it tells you you're at your destination when it's still a few feet away), but it's a really versatile device. You should be able to plug an earphone into the jack for the external speaker, but this isn't recommended. It's best to just plug in the external speaker and clip it to your shirt collar or jacket collar or wherever is convenient. You can wear an earbud as long as you only put in one and can still listen to the traffic at intersections. Patrick On 9/18/11, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi all, > As I move through graduate school and do more and more independent > travel around town, I'm starting to think that an accessible GPS > device may be an useful addition to my toolbox. Based on some > preliminary research, it seems that Treeker Breeze and the newly > released Kapten Plus are my main options (I use a Nokia Symbian phone, > so gps programs designed specifically for iphones or Windows-based > smartphones would not work for me). Has anyone had any experience with > either Treeker Breeze or Kapten? What do you like and dislike about > your device? Do you feel that it is helpful for your independent > travel? One thing I noticed with the Treeker Breeze according to its > on-line description is that it does not appear to have an earphone > jack. Have you found this problematic (I would think that it might be > hard to hear the sppeech output on the streets)? Any > impressions/experiences you have to share would be much appreciated. > Thanks! > Katie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From amylsabo at comcast.net Mon Sep 19 00:34:05 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:34:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cc7663$d70b8cc0$8522a640$@comcast.net> Hello Justin, Have you tried selecting the entire document and then doing a copy and paste into ms word? Or also saving the pdf document as a txt document and, then opening it in notepad or in ms word? I have used these techniques that have worked unless the pdf document is tagged... take care and good luck! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS Hello All, Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I must admit I don't know much about PDFs. Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From dandrews at visi.com Mon Sep 19 00:36:08 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:36:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patrick: An error of a few feet is generally quite good. There is almost always some error in GPS, and to reduce it costs more. GPS should be considered as an orientation device, not a mobility device. It can get you to the area, even quite close, but right to the door probably isn't a reasonable expectation. Dave At 07:18 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: >Katie, >The Breeze is OK as GPS's go. It's not the most reliable piece of >technology (it tells you you're at your destination when it's still a >few feet away), but it's a really versatile device. You should be able >to plug an earphone into the jack for the external speaker, but this >isn't recommended. It's best to just plug in the external speaker and >clip it to your shirt collar or jacket collar or wherever is >convenient. You can wear an earbud as long as you only put in one and >can still listen to the traffic at intersections. >Patrick > >On 9/18/11, Katie Wang wrote: > > Hi all, > > As I move through graduate school and do more and more independent > > travel around town, I'm starting to think that an accessible GPS > > device may be an useful addition to my toolbox. Based on some > > preliminary research, it seems that Treeker Breeze and the newly > > released Kapten Plus are my main options (I use a Nokia Symbian phone, > > so gps programs designed specifically for iphones or Windows-based > > smartphones would not work for me). Has anyone had any experience with > > either Treeker Breeze or Kapten? What do you like and dislike about > > your device? Do you feel that it is helpful for your independent > > travel? One thing I noticed with the Treeker Breeze according to its > > on-line description is that it does not appear to have an earphone > > jack. Have you found this problematic (I would think that it might be > > hard to hear the sppeech output on the streets)? Any > > impressions/experiences you have to share would be much appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Katie From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Sep 19 00:42:40 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:42:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS References: <000301cc7663$d70b8cc0$8522a640$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Okay, for clarification, if a PDF is not accessible, it is not accessible. There are only certain types of PDF's that you can have JAWS read or save as text or copy and paste. If it is accessible but protected, then you can read it with JAWS, but you cannot copy and paste it. If it is one of those PDF's that is a graphic of text, then there is no saving it as text or copying and pasting it. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > Hello Justin, > > Have you tried selecting the entire document and then doing a > copy and paste into ms word? Or also saving the pdf document as a > txt document and, then opening it in notepad or in ms word? I > have used these techniques that have worked unless the pdf > document is tagged... take care and good luck! > > > Hugs, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > Hello All, > > Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my > experience > with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes > to > read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others > experienced > this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do > so? I > must admit I don't know much about PDFs. > > Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Sep 19 00:44:42 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:44:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices References: Message-ID: <349B51609EFA44C997AEE4B0660D6207@stanford.edu> Not getting all the way to the destination before getting the arrived at destination message is not a breeze thing. All GPS devices are only accurate to a certain distance, which will vary with the number of satellites, weather, and buildings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Molloy" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS devices > Katie, > The Breeze is OK as GPS's go. It's not the most reliable piece of > technology (it tells you you're at your destination when it's still a > few feet away), but it's a really versatile device. You should be able > to plug an earphone into the jack for the external speaker, but this > isn't recommended. It's best to just plug in the external speaker and > clip it to your shirt collar or jacket collar or wherever is > convenient. You can wear an earbud as long as you only put in one and > can still listen to the traffic at intersections. > Patrick > > On 9/18/11, Katie Wang wrote: >> Hi all, >> As I move through graduate school and do more and more independent >> travel around town, I'm starting to think that an accessible GPS >> device may be an useful addition to my toolbox. Based on some >> preliminary research, it seems that Treeker Breeze and the newly >> released Kapten Plus are my main options (I use a Nokia Symbian phone, >> so gps programs designed specifically for iphones or Windows-based >> smartphones would not work for me). Has anyone had any experience with >> either Treeker Breeze or Kapten? What do you like and dislike about >> your device? Do you feel that it is helpful for your independent >> travel? One thing I noticed with the Treeker Breeze according to its >> on-line description is that it does not appear to have an earphone >> jack. Have you found this problematic (I would think that it might be >> hard to hear the sppeech output on the streets)? Any >> impressions/experiences you have to share would be much appreciated. >> Thanks! >> Katie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jty727 at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 01:11:32 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 21:11:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS In-Reply-To: References: <000301cc7663$d70b8cc0$8522a640$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks all. I have tried this various avenues which haven't worked. I have the program mentioned and when it opened it said blank document. I agree that PDFs aren't fun. Oh well. Thanks again! Justin On 9/18/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Okay, for clarification, if a PDF is not accessible, it is not accessible. > There are only certain types of PDF's that you can have JAWS read or save as > text or copy and paste. If it is accessible but protected, then you can read > it with JAWS, but you cannot copy and paste it. If it is one of those PDF's > that is a graphic of text, then there is no saving it as text or copying and > pasting it. > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Sabo" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > >> Hello Justin, >> >> Have you tried selecting the entire document and then doing a >> copy and paste into ms word? Or also saving the pdf document as a >> txt document and, then opening it in notepad or in ms word? I >> have used these techniques that have worked unless the pdf >> document is tagged... take care and good luck! >> >> >> Hugs, >> amy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS >> >> Hello All, >> >> Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my >> experience >> with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes >> to >> read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others >> experienced >> this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do >> so? I >> must admit I don't know much about PDFs. >> >> Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co >> mcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Mon Sep 19 01:17:18 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:17:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS In-Reply-To: References: <000301cc7663$d70b8cc0$8522a640$@comcast.net> Message-ID: If it says "blank document," it generally means that the PDF contains an image of the text, not the text itself. The only way to read this is to do OCR or optical character recognition on the file or a printout of it. Dave At 08:11 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: >Thanks all. I have tried this various avenues which haven't worked. >I have the program mentioned and when it opened it said blank >document. I agree that PDFs aren't fun. > >Oh well. > >Thanks again! >Justin > >On 9/18/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > > Okay, for clarification, if a PDF is not accessible, it is not accessible. > > There are only certain types of PDF's that you can have JAWS read > or save as > > text or copy and paste. If it is accessible but protected, then > you can read > > it with JAWS, but you cannot copy and paste it. If it is one of those PDF's > > that is a graphic of text, then there is no saving it as text or > copying and > > pasting it. > > > > Nicole > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amy Sabo" > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > > > > >> Hello Justin, > >> > >> Have you tried selecting the entire document and then doing a > >> copy and paste into ms word? Or also saving the pdf document as a > >> txt document and, then opening it in notepad or in ms word? I > >> have used these techniques that have worked unless the pdf > >> document is tagged... take care and good luck! > >> > >> > >> Hugs, > >> amy > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young > >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:34 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > >> > >> Hello All, > >> > >> Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my > >> experience > >> with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes > >> to > >> read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others > >> experienced > >> this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do > >> so? I > >> must admit I don't know much about PDFs. > >> > >> Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. > >> > >> Justin From brownbears at mchsi.com Mon Sep 19 01:18:36 2011 From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda Morse) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:18:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Message-ID: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> Hello: I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS 12? Miranda From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 04:35:59 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 21:35:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110918212612.01da33c0@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110918212612.01da33c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110918212800.01d3a708@earthlink.net> Hi, Ashley, It doesn't make any difference when, and by which means you use to partake in said information. The fact that you don't do it in class really ought not matter too much. You bring up what I believe is a valid point. To hall your RFB machine into class, go to all those striations to find and read the given passage, in unison with others, as you pointed out the other students will have read it, already and will probably be way onto the next passage. Some things, it seems you gotta just be open to forgiving both the situation as well as yourself, and let go. Nobody is judging you anyway and it would be a plus if you weren't an only voice passing judgment, on yourself! for today, Car At 09:27 PM 9/18/2011, Carly wrote: >Hi, Ashley, > >Yes, instead of being totally consumed with a >fact that, I may not be doing activities at a >same time as other students due to access >issues, I just let it go knowing that, noone >will pass judgement knowing that I simply am >unable At 09:31 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >>Hi all, Although college has mostly lectures, >>in some subjects such as english, we have more >>interaction in class and assignments in class. >>We might be given a short essay to read and >>comment on either orally or in writing. >>Sometimes we’d read it and discuss as a class >>afterward. Other times, students access their >>books via skimming during discussions. How do >>you deal with these assignments? I have asked a >>classmate to read to me or sometimes the >>professor themselves helps out. I remember in >>english when we had to write argument essays >>that we had an example that we discussed as a >>class. For general discussions about homework >>reading, I read it outside class and referenced >>my notes in class. I had no access to the >>material in class. So when the professor said, >>“look on page 22 at paragraph titled Toads" >>and notice how Joe Smith used metaphor” or >>says “look at page 12, third paragraph,” I >>can’t access this. If it’s a long pause, >>sometimes a classmate tells me what it says, >>but other times I just listen. I thought about >>bringing my rfb book in if I had it via RFB, >>but figured by the time I set up the player and >>got to the page, the students would have found >>and skimmed the section. After all, its usually >>only a few minutes that I hear the rustling of >>pagesor frantic flipping of pages to find that >>passage so they can answer the professor’s >>questions. I always like to participate, but >>this is an area where I couldn’t do it as >>much. I wondered if you all felt in the same >>boat? Ashley >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 04:53:30 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 21:53:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110918213722.01d1b4d8@earthlink.net> Hi, Katie, I use the Senddero software powered by a VoiceNote Empower. I have declined using an ear phone while I'm trying to travel. Anyway the device could come in handy if you are becoming oriented to a new place but you might not wanna have it, all the time. Personally, I don't appreciate my ears being wandering, while I'm striving to navigate and, it is not disruptive to not use an earphone, with things going on, on the streets. Sometimes however you might not particularly wanna be tied to some machine, to tell you where you are and prefer the person to person, contact. There are some downside to using a navigation device. You gotta keep it dry and safe and above all you have to keep track of it because most likely it won't actually be your's, so you hafta keep track of it, like being responsible for some toddler. But we are all accustomed to keeping track of our specific, blind stuff. Good luck! for today, Car blind stuff, okay. :27 PM 9/17/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >Hi all, > As I move through graduate school and do more and more independent >travel around town, I'm starting to think that a accessible GPS >device may be an useful addition to my toolbox. Based on some >preliminary research, it seems that Treeker Breeze and the newly >released Kapten Plus are my main options (I use a Nokia Symbian phone, >so gps programs designed specifically for iphones or Windows-based >smartphones would not work for me). Has anyone had any experience with >either Treeker Breeze or Kapten? What do you like and dislike about >your device? Do you feel that it is helpful for your independent >travel? One thing I noticed with the Treeker Breeze according to its >on-line description is that it does not appear to have an earphone >jack. Have you found this problematic (I would think that it might be >hard to hear the sppeech output on the streets)? Any >impressions/experiences you have to share would be much appreciated. >Thanks! > Katie > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 19 07:44:10 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:44:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> References: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Miranda: Why not join Learning Ally? Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: > Hello: > > I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble > finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was > wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS 12? > > Miranda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 19 07:50:06 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:50:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a link to accessible video games on Sarah Alawami's Website. Here's her site. www.marrie.org Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Kirt, > You raise a good point. I mean, we really don't know what the future > holds. Maybe someday you and I will be able to drive a car just like > everyone else. And maybe someday you and I will be able to play video > games just like our sighted friends. But we won't know unless we try. > I personally think there's nothing to lose by at least trying to talk > to game companies and see what they have to say. The worst thing that > could happen would be that they try and make a game accessible, and it > doesn't work. > Patrick > > On 9/18/11, David Andrews wrote: >> Well, you make some good points, but the two situations are not the >> same and I still am not convinced. >> >> Yes, some people say the Blind Driver Challenge is a waste. Many of >> us think it is important. We the blind are either paying for it >> ourselves, or raising the money. This is different from compelling a >> third party to do it for us. Secondly, most people can see the >> importance of being able to drive, and most of us, sighted and blind >> alike, would not put playing video games in the same place. Yes, we >> could learn valuable things from it, but it frankly would be a hard >> sell to members and outsiders. >> >> For me it is a pretty low priority. I work in rehab and it is >> getting harder to get blind guys jobs, even entry level jobs, in part >> because of more complex computer systems and software. This, and the >> BDC and other ythings should be a higher priority. >> >> Finally, I am guilty too, this is mostly off topic for this list. Sorry! >> >> Dave >> >> At 05:53 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: >>>Dave, >>> Some people would say the blind driver challenge is a waste of time >>>and money which would be better spent on something practical and >>>possible and it's a valid point. But I think lots of us agree that >>>it's a risk worth taking because of the potential benefits. >>> Now I'm not suggesting accessible video games would be as valuable >>>for us as a car we could drive, but if our goal is to help us live on >>>terms of equality with the sighted world then it's certainly within >>>the scope of that mission. Should pressuring gaming companies to at >>>least try and make something accessible be one of the top priorities >>>of the nNFB? Of course not. But is it something worth pursuing? I >>>say so. After all, it's very possible, some would say likely, that >>>the blind driver challenge will just be a waste of millions of dollars >>>that could be put into something actually useful. I think this is a >>>similar situation, on a much smaller scale. Thoughts, anyone? >>> Best, >>>Kirt >>> >>>On 9/17/11, Juan Munoz wrote: >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and >>> > those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The >>> > newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that >>> > the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I >>> > grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to >>> > play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when >>> > I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often >>> > wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the >>> > enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can >>> > think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by >>> > either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player >>> > options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond >>> > this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap >>> > forward? >>> > >>> > Respectfully, >>> > JC >>> > >>> > On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: >>> >> Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should >>> >> at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that >>> >> could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? >>> >> Patrick >>> >> >>> >> On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >>> >>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And >>> >>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >>> >>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >>> >>> other modalities in the same way. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >>> >>>>Hi All, >>> >>>>I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >>> >>>>back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >>> >>>>even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >>> >>>>Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >>> >>>>make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, >>> >>>> and >>> >>>>there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >>> >>>>not video games? What do others think about this issue? >>> >>>>Patrick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jcmunoz1989%40gmail.com >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Respectfully, >>> > >>> > Juan Carlos Munoz, President >>> > Texas Association Of Blind Students >>> > www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>> > Phone: (832) 378-8632 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From brownbears at mchsi.com Mon Sep 19 14:45:16 2011 From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda Morse) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:45:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: References: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <001e01cc76da$bf973e50$3ec5baf0$@mchsi.com> I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Miranda: Why not join Learning Ally? Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: > Hello: > > I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble > finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was > wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS 12? > > Miranda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 23:21:34 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:21:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him know. For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. Best, Arielle On 9/17/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Elizabeth, > As you know, sometimes things get heated here whether its on topic or not. > There is a list serve chair; it used to be Arielle. I am not positive whom > it is so I won't name names. > Anyway, we've calmed down and I'm sure we can have a peaceful list once > again. After all we are all youth or young adults. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:10 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it > should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board > members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the > right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or > is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this > matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Andrews" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so has >> >> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to >> be approved by me. >> >> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >> messages etc. >> >> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >> David Andrews, List Owner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Sep 18 23:21:51 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:21:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com> References: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: How accessible is AOL? Thanks, Joshua On 9/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I > switched. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > > This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of > your > screen reader and browser. > > Dave > > At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of > my > knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, > and I > couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want > to > use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email > client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible > since > I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is > an > intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about > this. > > Chris > > On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Do any of you have a Yahoo account? > I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm > having problems. > I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my > account," I > hit enter, but nothing happens. > What's going on? > Please walk me through this, off list. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness > can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 19 15:23:24 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:23:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: <001e01cc76da$bf973e50$3ec5baf0$@mchsi.com> References: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> <001e01cc76da$bf973e50$3ec5baf0$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Wow! What all, does Bookshare for University have to offer? Are you a member of Bookshare? Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: > I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley > Miranda > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart > > Miranda: > Why not join Learning Ally? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >> Hello: >> >> I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble >> finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was >> wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS > 12? >> >> Miranda >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >> ents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Sep 18 23:21:38 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:21:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class References: Message-ID: <2D62DCEBAC2F4E7CB96166EF02B0C0C0@stanford.edu> Before I answer, do you use any type of electronic Braille notetaking device, such as a BrailleNote or Pacmate? Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:31 PM Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class > Hi all, > > Although college has mostly lectures, in some subjects such as english, we > have more interaction in class and assignments in class. We might be given > a short essay to read and comment on either orally or in writing. > Sometimes we’d read it and discuss as a class afterward. Other times, > students access their books via skimming during discussions. How do you > deal with these assignments? I have asked a classmate to read to me or > sometimes the professor themselves helps out. I remember in english when > we had to write argument essays that we had an example that we discussed > as a class. For general discussions about homework reading, I read it > outside class and referenced my notes in class. I had no access to the > material in class. So when the professor said, “look on page 22 at > paragraph titled Toads" and notice how Joe Smith used metaphor” or says > “look at page 12, third paragraph,” I can’t access this. If it’s a long > pause, sometimes a classmate tells me what it says, but other times I just > listen. I thought about bringing my rfb book in if I had it via RFB, but > figured by the time I set up the player and got to the page, the students > would have found and skimmed the section. After all, its usually only a > few minutes that I hear the rustling of pagesor frantic flipping of pages > to find that passage so they can answer the professor’s questions. > > I always like to participate, but this is an area where I couldn’t do it > as much. I wondered if you all felt in the same boat? > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 19 15:31:14 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:31:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We need a list, where we can discuss political issues, and how they relate to us as blind individuals. There isn't a listserve, for that. There are some for mainstream political discussions, but there isn't one, that discusses the issues, and how they relate to us. I'm talking about different bills, and laws that are signed, that don't represent our interests. We need a list to discuss that. Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs > out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young > Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't > think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. > As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and > is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion > with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee > structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would > like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him > know. > For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say > over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place > people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at > his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is > often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and > help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. > Best, > Arielle > > On 9/17/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Elizabeth, >> As you know, sometimes things get heated here whether its on topic or not. >> There is a list serve chair; it used to be Arielle. I am not positive whom >> it is so I won't name names. >> Anyway, we've calmed down and I'm sure we can have a peaceful list once >> again. After all we are all youth or young adults. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:10 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it >> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board >> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the >> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, >> or >> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this >> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "David Andrews" >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so >>> has >>> >>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to >>> be approved by me. >>> >>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >>> messages etc. >>> >>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>> >>> David Andrews, List Owner >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From brownbears at mchsi.com Mon Sep 19 15:34:11 2011 From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda Morse) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:34:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: References: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> <001e01cc76da$bf973e50$3ec5baf0$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000001cc76e1$94b08fa0$be11aee0$@mchsi.com> Yes, I am a member of bookshare. Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Wow! What all, does Bookshare for University have to offer? Are you a member of Bookshare? Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: > I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart > > Miranda: > Why not join Learning Ally? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >> Hello: >> >> I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble >> finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was >> wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS > 12? >> >> Miranda >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >> ents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 19 15:42:43 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:42:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: <000001cc76e1$94b08fa0$be11aee0$@mchsi.com> References: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> <001e01cc76da$bf973e50$3ec5baf0$@mchsi.com> <000001cc76e1$94b08fa0$be11aee0$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: You're having problems getting texts from them as well? I wonder if you can get them as EBooks, on the Blio. Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: > Yes, I am a member of bookshare. > Miranda > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:23 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart > > Wow! > What all, does Bookshare for University have to offer? > Are you a member of Bookshare? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >> I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart >> >> Miranda: >> Why not join Learning Ally? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >>> Hello: >>> >>> I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble >>> finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was >>> wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS >> 12? >>> >>> Miranda >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >>> ents.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 15:45:13 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:45:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B2EA93B00AB4F14B264C8A88610595C@OwnerPC> oshua, You, Chris and I agree and if you read his message, he said he would create one. David said no and please respect that. There are a number of laws and policies such as ADA and IDEA that directly affect us blind people. I'll join when its set up. Now I'll post school related things. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:31 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages We need a list, where we can discuss political issues, and how they relate to us as blind individuals. There isn't a listserve, for that. There are some for mainstream political discussions, but there isn't one, that discusses the issues, and how they relate to us. I'm talking about different bills, and laws that are signed, that don't represent our interests. We need a list to discuss that. Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs > out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young > Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't > think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. > As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and > is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion > with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee > structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would > like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him > know. > For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say > over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place > people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at > his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is > often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and > help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. > Best, > Arielle > > On 9/17/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Elizabeth, >> As you know, sometimes things get heated here whether its on topic or >> not. >> There is a list serve chair; it used to be Arielle. I am not positive >> whom >> it is so I won't name names. >> Anyway, we've calmed down and I'm sure we can have a peaceful list once >> again. After all we are all youth or young adults. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:10 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it >> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board >> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the >> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, >> or >> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this >> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "David Andrews" >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so >>> has >>> >>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has >>> to >>> be approved by me. >>> >>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >>> messages etc. >>> >>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>> >>> David Andrews, List Owner >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dandrews at visi.com Mon Sep 19 15:51:27 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:51:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] 2012 Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLL Disability Rights Fellowship Message-ID: >From: "Scott C. 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That's why I was asking for his assistance. Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > oshua, > You, Chris and I agree and if you read his message, he said he would create > one. David said no and please respect that. > There are a number of laws and policies such as ADA and IDEA that directly > affect us blind people. I'll join when its set up. > Now I'll post school related things. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:31 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > We need a list, where we can discuss political issues, and how they > relate to us as blind individuals. > There isn't a listserve, for that. > There are some for mainstream political discussions, but there isn't > one, that discusses the issues, and how they relate to us. > I'm talking about different bills, and laws that are signed, that > don't represent our interests. > We need a list to discuss that. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/18/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs >> out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young >> Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't >> think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. >> As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and >> is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion >> with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee >> structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would >> like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him >> know. >> For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say >> over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place >> people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at >> his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is >> often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and >> help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 9/17/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Elizabeth, >>> As you know, sometimes things get heated here whether its on topic or >>> not. >>> There is a list serve chair; it used to be Arielle. I am not positive >>> whom >>> it is so I won't name names. >>> Anyway, we've calmed down and I'm sure we can have a peaceful list once >>> again. After all we are all youth or young adults. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elizabeth >>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:10 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it >>> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board >>> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the >>> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, >>> or >>> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this >>> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be >>> greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so >>>> has >>>> >>>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >>>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has >>>> to >>>> be approved by me. >>>> >>>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >>>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >>>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >>>> messages etc. >>>> >>>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >>>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >>>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>>> >>>> David Andrews, List Owner >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 16:25:18 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:25:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: References: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com><001e01cc76da$bf973e50$3ec5baf0$@mchsi.com><000001cc76e1$94b08fa0$be11aee0$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: I thought blio had novels and non textbooks. Miranda, I can sure identify with the struggle to find books in accessible format. Learning ally was my first choice; but as you point out, not everything is there. I assume course smart is a ebook solution. I'm not sure the answer to the question, but many ebook solutions are images of a book. If this is an image, its not accessible. You could also just buy the book from the bookstore and look for a reader. I always used a reader for something in school. They can skim and look up info faster than I can by listening or searching through a scanned copy. I hope you asked your college to get them from the publisher. If you have a receit for your books, your disability student office, DSO, will often provide them in electronic format from the publisher. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart You're having problems getting texts from them as well? I wonder if you can get them as EBooks, on the Blio. Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: > Yes, I am a member of bookshare. > Miranda > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:23 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart > > Wow! > What all, does Bookshare for University have to offer? > Are you a member of Bookshare? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >> I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart >> >> Miranda: >> Why not join Learning Ally? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >>> Hello: >>> >>> I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble >>> finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was >>> wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS >> 12? >>> >>> Miranda >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >>> ents.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 17:19:41 2011 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:19:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: <003401cc76f0$524c6a30$f6e53e90$@com> Issues related to ADA, IDEA, and legislation or legislative initiatives that effect blind folks are most certainly on topic for the list. The point that Arielle was making, and correctly so, is that there are any number of lists for general political interests. If we are about integration, why do we want to set ourselves apart from the general mainstream political discussion? Of course, as I've said, if it is issues related to blindness, we certainly do want to discuss that, and we can do it here or on any number of NFB or other blindness lists. I just don't think that our views on taxes, national defense, the economy, immigration, etc. have a whole lot to do with the fact that we are blind. Nor do those broader policies and political ideologies have greater implications for us in virtue of our blindness. We should be part of the general political discussion, and setting up a venue outside of the mainstream to voice our views serves neither us nor society at large. Sean From troubleclark at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 17:41:44 2011 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:41:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! In-Reply-To: References: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Dear all, So is Yahoo's fantacy football link accessible? Nathan On 9/18/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > How accessible is AOL? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Dave, >> >> Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I >> switched. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David Andrews > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >> >> This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of >> your >> screen reader and browser. >> >> Dave >> >> At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> >> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of >> my >> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, >> and I >> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want >> to >> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible >> since >> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is >> an >> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about >> this. >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm >> having problems. >> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my >> account," I >> hit enter, but nothing happens. >> What's going on? >> Please walk me through this, off list. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >> can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 19 17:46:11 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:46:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: References: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> <001e01cc76da$bf973e50$3ec5baf0$@mchsi.com> <000001cc76e1$94b08fa0$be11aee0$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: I also thought that they made the Kindell accessible. Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > I thought blio had novels and non textbooks. > Miranda, I can sure identify with the struggle to find books in accessible > format. Learning ally was my first choice; but as you point out, not > everything is there. > I assume course smart is a ebook solution. I'm not sure the answer to the > question, but many ebook solutions are images of a book. If this is an > image, its not accessible. > You could also just buy the book from the bookstore and look for a reader. I > always used a reader for something in school. They can skim and look up info > faster than I can by listening or searching through a scanned copy. > I hope you asked your college to get them from the publisher. If you have a > receit for your books, your disability student office, DSO, will often > provide them in electronic format from the publisher. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:42 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart > > You're having problems getting texts from them as well? > I wonder if you can get them as EBooks, on the Blio. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >> Yes, I am a member of bookshare. >> Miranda >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:23 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart >> >> Wow! >> What all, does Bookshare for University have to offer? >> Are you a member of Bookshare? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >>> I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart >>> >>> Miranda: >>> Why not join Learning Ally? >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >>>> Hello: >>>> >>>> I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble >>>> finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was >>>> wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS >>> 12? >>>> >>>> Miranda >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >>>> ents.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 19 17:51:00 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:51:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! In-Reply-To: References: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I asked a question, that noone answered. How accessible is AOL? Thanks, Joshua On 9/19/11, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear all, > So is Yahoo's fantacy football link accessible? > Nathan > > On 9/18/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> How accessible is AOL? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 9/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Dave, >>> >>> Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I >>> switched. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: David Andrews >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >>> >>> This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of >>> your >>> screen reader and browser. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of >>> my >>> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, >>> and I >>> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want >>> to >>> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >>> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible >>> since >>> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is >>> an >>> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about >>> this. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm >>> having problems. >>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my >>> account," I >>> hit enter, but nothing happens. >>> What's going on? >>> Please walk me through this, off list. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If >>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >>> can >>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Sep 19 17:57:23 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:57:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! References: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6033E3E6962E4E258380634E83C57B5A@stanford.edu> That message arrived at the list only 16 hours ago (approximately). Just because you have not gotten an answer yet does not mean that you will not get a message. Although your message was probably not intended this way, it came across as pushy and slightly rude. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >I asked a question, that noone answered. > How accessible is AOL? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/19/11, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear all, >> So is Yahoo's fantacy football link accessible? >> Nathan >> >> On 9/18/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> How accessible is AOL? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi Dave, >>>> >>>> Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I >>>> switched. >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: David Andrews >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >>>> >>>> This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of >>>> your >>>> screen reader and browser. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of >>>> my >>>> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, >>>> and I >>>> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want >>>> to >>>> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >>>> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible >>>> since >>>> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is >>>> an >>>> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >>>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm >>>> having problems. >>>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my >>>> account," I >>>> hit enter, but nothing happens. >>>> What's going on? >>>> Please walk me through this, off list. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real >>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If >>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >>>> can >>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 19 18:10:31 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:10:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <6033E3E6962E4E258380634E83C57B5A@stanford.edu> References: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com> <6033E3E6962E4E258380634E83C57B5A@stanford.edu> Message-ID: I didn't know how long it was, since I posted it. Thanks for telling me. I'm sorry if it came across that way. Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > That message arrived at the list only 16 hours ago (approximately). Just > because you have not gotten an answer yet does not mean that you will not > get a message. Although your message was probably not intended this way, it > came across as pushy and slightly rude. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > > >>I asked a question, that noone answered. >> How accessible is AOL? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 9/19/11, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> So is Yahoo's fantacy football link accessible? >>> Nathan >>> >>> On 9/18/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> How accessible is AOL? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 9/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> Hi Dave, >>>>> >>>>> Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I >>>>> switched. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>> >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: David Andrews >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >>>>> >>>>> This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of >>>>> your >>>>> screen reader and browser. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of >>>>> my >>>>> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, >>>>> and I >>>>> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want >>>>> to >>>>> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >>>>> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible >>>>> since >>>>> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is >>>>> an >>>>> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about >>>>> this. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >>>>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm >>>>> having problems. >>>>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my >>>>> account," I >>>>> hit enter, but nothing happens. >>>>> What's going on? >>>>> Please walk me through this, off list. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>> m%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>> real >>>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>> exists. If >>>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >>>>> can >>>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>> m%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Sep 19 18:23:58 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:23:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! References: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com><6033E3E6962E4E258380634E83C57B5A@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20AA6521F36444C2A3A902DBECF8FD03@stanford.edu> That's okay. That is one of the problems with things that are written instead of spoken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >I didn't know how long it was, since I posted it. > Thanks for telling me. > I'm sorry if it came across that way. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> That message arrived at the list only 16 hours ago (approximately). Just >> because you have not gotten an answer yet does not mean that you will not >> get a message. Although your message was probably not intended this way, >> it >> came across as pushy and slightly rude. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >> >> >>>I asked a question, that noone answered. >>> How accessible is AOL? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/19/11, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> So is Yahoo's fantacy football link accessible? >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> On 9/18/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> How accessible is AOL? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 9/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>>> Hi Dave, >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I >>>>>> switched. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>>> >>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: David Andrews >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of >>>>>> your >>>>>> screen reader and browser. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >>>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>>> >>>>>> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of >>>>>> my >>>>>> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, >>>>>> and I >>>>>> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want >>>>>> to >>>>>> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >>>>>> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible >>>>>> since >>>>>> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is >>>>>> an >>>>>> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about >>>>>> this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >>>>>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm >>>>>> having problems. >>>>>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my >>>>>> account," I >>>>>> hit enter, but nothing happens. >>>>>> What's going on? >>>>>> Please walk me through this, off list. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>> info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>>> m%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>>> >>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>> real >>>>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>> exists. If >>>>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >>>>>> can >>>>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>>> m%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From samarositz at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 18:27:31 2011 From: samarositz at gmail.com (Alex Marositz) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:27:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Textbook Finder Message-ID: List, I apologize I can't respond to individual messages since I only receive the list in digest form but here is a resource for finding accessible versions of your textbooks. I thought I'd share. http://www.accesstext.org/fedsearch.php I hope this helps. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 19:11:43 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:11:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! In-Reply-To: References: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Aol is more accessible; NFB and ACB sued a few years ago to render its service accessible. My understanding is that its accessible but not too user friendly. You might want to ask an AOL user this. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! I asked a question, that noone answered. How accessible is AOL? Thanks, Joshua On 9/19/11, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear all, > So is Yahoo's fantacy football link accessible? > Nathan > > On 9/18/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> How accessible is AOL? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 9/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Dave, >>> >>> Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I >>> switched. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: David Andrews >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >>> >>> This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of >>> your >>> screen reader and browser. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of >>> my >>> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, >>> and I >>> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want >>> to >>> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >>> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible >>> since >>> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is >>> an >>> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about >>> this. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm >>> having problems. >>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my >>> account," I >>> hit enter, but nothing happens. >>> What's going on? >>> Please walk me through this, off list. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If >>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >>> can >>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 19:50:24 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:50:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: References: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> <001e01cc76da$bf973e50$3ec5baf0$@mchsi.com> <000001cc76e1$94b08fa0$be11aee0$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Something I do that works most of the time is that I will get an older edition of the book. For an example. If your book is called writing skills By John Smith, 4 ED. Then try to look for writting Skills By john smith 3 ED. Most of the changes between the editions are just fancey letters and colors being added in to the book. If you are unsure of doing this, then ask your teacher if an earlier edition will work. Lots of other students that are sighted do this so to get cheeper books. If you have to buy them from the book store, Give a copy of your recete to your disability office to fax to the publishure for a PDF file. They might respond quicker to you if you go threw your disability office. Sometimes the teachers might have a copy of the book already in a PDF or a word file and are willing to give you a copy. One of my teachers did this for me this year, bless her heart. On 9/19/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I also thought that they made the Kindell accessible. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/19/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> I thought blio had novels and non textbooks. >> Miranda, I can sure identify with the struggle to find books in accessible >> format. Learning ally was my first choice; but as you point out, not >> everything is there. >> I assume course smart is a ebook solution. I'm not sure the answer to the >> question, but many ebook solutions are images of a book. If this is an >> image, its not accessible. >> You could also just buy the book from the bookstore and look for a reader. >> I >> always used a reader for something in school. They can skim and look up >> info >> faster than I can by listening or searching through a scanned copy. >> I hope you asked your college to get them from the publisher. If you have >> a >> receit for your books, your disability student office, DSO, will often >> provide them in electronic format from the publisher. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:42 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart >> >> You're having problems getting texts from them as well? >> I wonder if you can get them as EBooks, on the Blio. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >>> Yes, I am a member of bookshare. >>> Miranda >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:23 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart >>> >>> Wow! >>> What all, does Bookshare for University have to offer? >>> Are you a member of Bookshare? >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >>>> I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart >>>> >>>> Miranda: >>>> Why not join Learning Ally? >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: >>>>> Hello: >>>>> >>>>> I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble >>>>> finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was >>>>> wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with >>>>> JAWS >>>> 12? >>>>> >>>>> Miranda >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud >>>>> ents.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 19:53:59 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:53:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class In-Reply-To: <2D62DCEBAC2F4E7CB96166EF02B0C0C0@stanford.edu> References: <2D62DCEBAC2F4E7CB96166EF02B0C0C0@stanford.edu> Message-ID: My english teacher does her work on the board using the computer. So she brings up the file on her computer and prejects it on to the board. Since she has the file she is wanting us to look at, she will give me a copy to view myself on my pac mate so I can follow along. Other wise she would read it quickly outloud for me and the rest of the class. On 9/18/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Before I answer, do you use any type of electronic Braille notetaking > device, such as a BrailleNote or Pacmate? > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:31 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class > > >> Hi all, >> >> Although college has mostly lectures, in some subjects such as english, we >> >> have more interaction in class and assignments in class. We might be given >> >> a short essay to read and comment on either orally or in writing. >> Sometimes we’d read it and discuss as a class afterward. Other times, >> students access their books via skimming during discussions. How do you >> deal with these assignments? I have asked a classmate to read to me or >> sometimes the professor themselves helps out. I remember in english when >> we had to write argument essays that we had an example that we discussed >> as a class. For general discussions about homework reading, I read it >> outside class and referenced my notes in class. I had no access to the >> material in class. So when the professor said, “look on page 22 at >> paragraph titled Toads" and notice how Joe Smith used metaphor” or says >> “look at page 12, third paragraph,” I can’t access this. If it’s a long >> pause, sometimes a classmate tells me what it says, but other times I just >> >> listen. I thought about bringing my rfb book in if I had it via RFB, but >> figured by the time I set up the player and got to the page, the students >> would have found and skimmed the section. After all, its usually only a >> few minutes that I hear the rustling of pagesor frantic flipping of pages >> to find that passage so they can answer the professor’s questions. >> >> I always like to participate, but this is an area where I couldn’t do it >> as much. I wondered if you all felt in the same boat? >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dandrews at visi.com Mon Sep 19 19:58:52 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:58:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <6033E3E6962E4E258380634E83C57B5A@stanford.edu> References: <4e7656b3.486f340a.21c4.ffff9a7f@mx.google.com> <6033E3E6962E4E258380634E83C57B5A@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Actually, it got caught in the emergency hold, and did not go out until this morning -- so it has only been posted for a few hours. Dave At 12:57 PM 9/19/2011, you wrote: >That message arrived at the list only 16 hours ago (approximately). >Just because you have not gotten an answer yet does not mean that >you will not get a message. Although your message was probably not >intended this way, it came across as pushy and slightly rude. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" > >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:51 AM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > > >>I asked a question, that noone answered. >>How accessible is AOL? >>Thanks, Joshua >> >>On 9/19/11, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>Dear all, >>>So is Yahoo's fantacy football link accessible? >>>Nathan >>> >>>On 9/18/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>How accessible is AOL? >>>>Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>>On 9/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>>Hi Dave, >>>>> >>>>>Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I >>>>>switched. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>> >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: David Andrews >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! >>>>> >>>>>This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of >>>>>your >>>>>screen reader and browser. >>>>> >>>>>Dave >>>>> >>>>>At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >>>>>Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>>The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of >>>>>my >>>>>knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, >>>>>and I >>>>>couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want >>>>>to >>>>>use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >>>>>client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible >>>>>since >>>>>I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is >>>>>an >>>>>intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about >>>>>this. >>>>> >>>>>Chris >>>>> >>>>>On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >>>>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm >>>>>having problems. >>>>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my >>>>>account," I >>>>> hit enter, but nothing happens. >>>>> What's going on? >>>>> Please walk me through this, off list. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>>>m%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Chris Nusbaum From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 20:04:08 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:04:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices Message-ID: <4e77a056.84c2e00a.3a20.66af@mx.google.com> Hi Katie, I have a Trekker Breeze and like it! I think it helps increase my independence. However, I will advise you to not let the Trekker Breeze be a replacement for your cane travel skills! The only thing I don't like about the Breeze is that it sometimes tells me I have arrived at a particular destination, but the destination is really across the street and offset from the corner. That's why I say you need to use the Breeze as an addition to your cane travel and orientation skills, not as a replacement to them. I don't think the Breeze has an earphone jack, but it does come with a microphone that you can clip on to your shirt and plug into the Breeze. This puts an extra speaker on the Breeze, so you can hear it better. This has been very useful on the busy streets of my town's business district. I also like the Breeze's carrying strap. This is very convenient in that if you're traveling, you can carry it around your neck and you don't need to hold it, giving you a free hand. Another thing I like is that you can record landmarks on it. When you get to the place you want to landmark, hit the record button and say the name of your landmark, like "home," "school," or "work." In the future, when you get to the landmark you've recorded, it will say "You have arrived at..." and then it will play your recording. If you have any questions about the Trekker Breeze, please let me know on or off list. I'm sorry I can't help you with the Kapten, as I haven't had any experience with it. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang Hi=20Ashley, For=20RFB=20or=20other=20talking=20books,=20there's=20a=20go=20to=20page=20= button=20that=20 you=20can=20use.=20=20What=20player=20do=20you=20use?=20I=20know=20there=20= is=20a=20go=20to=20 page=20button=20on=20the=20Stream=20and=20the=20NLS=20player.=20=20In=20Bra= ille=20books,=20 the=20print=20page=20numbers=20on=20the=20top=20right=20corner=20of=20the=20= Braille=20 page.=20=20So,=20using=20your=20example,=20I=20would=20open=20the=20book=20= and=20look=20at=20 the=20right=20hand=20corners=20until=20you=20see=20the=20number=2012.=20=20= A=20lot=20of=20 times,=20more=20than=20one=20Braille=20page=20makes=20up=20one=20print=20pa= ge,=20so=20the=20 transcribers=20will=20put=20a=20letter=20before=20the=20page=20number,=20fo= r=20exaple=20 B12.=20=20So,=20it's=20probably=20best=20to=20find=20the=20last=20page,=20f= or=20example,=20 of=20page=2011=20and=20then=20find=20the=20line=20in=20the=20middle=20of=20= the=20page=20that=20 signifies=20that=20the=20print=20page=20is=20going=20to=20page=2012,=20even= =20in=20the=20 middle=20of=20the=20Braille=20page.=20=20That=20is,=20if=20you=20have=20a=20= hardcopy.=20=20 But=20I=20have=20found=20it=20pretty=20easy=20to=20go=20to=20a=20page=20in= =20a=20paperless=20 book.=20=20If=20you're=20using=20a=20DTB=20player,=20there=20should=20be=20= a=20go=20to=20page=20 button.=20=20On=20the=20Stream,=20it's=20the=20bottom=20right=20button,=20t= he=20pound=20 key=20on=20the=20phone-style=20keypad.=20=20I'm=20not=20sure=20where=20it=20= is=20on=20the=20 NLS=20player,=20since=20I=20don't=20have=20one,=20but=20I=20know=20there=20= is=20one=20since=20 my=20friend=20has=20a=20player.=20=20As=20to=20assignments,=20if=20possible= ,=20the=20 professor=20can=20email=20you=20the=20assignment.=20=20I'm=20in=208th=20gra= de,=20and=20my=20 teachers=20do=20that.=20=20I've=20set=20up=20a=20separate=20Gmail=20account= =20only=20for=20 school=20emails,=20so=20they=20are=20separated=20from=20all=20the=20other=20= emails=20I=20 get=20on=20my=20personal=20email,=20especially=20emails=20I=20get=20from=20= this=20and=20 other=20lists=20I'm=20subscribed=20to=20on=20my=20personal=20email.=20=20A= =20professor=20 could=20also=20put=20an=20assignment=20on=20a=20thumb=20drive=20for=20you,= =20and=20then=20 you=20can=20either=20read=20it=20on=20your=20notetaker=20(if=20you=20still= =20have=20one)=20 or=20on=20your=20laptop=20(if=20you=20have=20one)=20with=20a=20screen=20rea= der.=20=20You=20 could=20even=20scan=20it=20into=20an=20OCR=20program!=20If=20you=20have=20a= ny=20 questions,=20please=20let=20me=20know.=20=20Hope=20this=20helps! =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 Hi everyone, I'm just emailing to let you all know of two free converters that don't require you to download software. With these resources, you can convert audio, video, and text documents to many different file types. The first is a Web site called Online-Convert, where you can convert almost any kind of document, including PDF, to other types, like PDF to DOC, or DOCX to DOC. You can also convert audio and video files, like WAV to MP3. You can even convert YouTube videos to another type, for example, WMV. Just select this link to go to the site: www.online-converter.com. You can do the same things with the second converter, but I think this is even easier. When you get a file you want to convert, send an email with the file attached to convert at robobraille.org. In the subject line, just write the file format you want to receive the file in, for example, "PDF file to TXT file" and you will receive the converted file in a matter of minutes. There has been discussions on the NABS and NFB History lists regarding converting files, so I thought I would let you know of these converters. Hope you find this helpful! Feel free to forward this to anybody you'd like to! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 20:04:16 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:04:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS Message-ID: <4e77a05e.84c2e00a.3a20.66b5@mx.google.com> Hi Justin, You have to use some kind of PDF program, like Adobe Reader or Sumantra PDF. I like Sumantra because you don't have to do anything. It automatically scans the PDF and opens it in a readable format. You then have the option to save it (control s) or print it (control p.) I haven't figured out how to save the document as a Word or plain text file (the only options it gives me are PDF and all files,) so I usually print it, then scan it with Kurzweil. These are the same options my PC gives me when I open a file from a thumb drive. Does anybody know how to convert a scanned PDF file to a Word or text format without going through some kind of converter program"Hope this helps! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Young This=20looks=20like=20spam=20to=20me.=20=20If=20it=20isn't,=20please=20let= =20us=20know.=20=20I=20 don't=20think=20this=20was=20meant=20for=20the=20list,=20nor=20should=20it= =20be=20on=20the=20 list. =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joel=20Zoma=20 Hi Josh, Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just need to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the kapcha. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Gregory wrote: Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Hi Joshua, Is Yahoo's audio kaptcha easy to understand? Gmail also has an audio kaptcha, but it's hard to understand. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: How long ago did you have your Yahoo! account? ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" wrote: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Do any of you have a Yahoo account? I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having problems. I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I hit enter, but nothing happens. What's going on? Please walk me through this, off list. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 20:04:19 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:04:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class Message-ID: <4e77a061.84c2e00a.3a20.66b9@mx.google.com> Hi=20Joshua, Yes,=20Bookshare=20has=20many=20textbooks.=20=20It=20is=20a=20great=20resou= rce=20for=20 textbooks=20that=20a=20lot=20of=20us=20use.=20=20BTW,=20Learning=20Ally=20(= formerly=20RFB=20 and=20D) and=20NLS=20are=20also=20great=20resources=20for=20textbooks. =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20all, =20Although=20college=20has=20mostly=20lectures,=20in=20some=20subjects=20s= uch=20as=20 english,=20we =20have=20more=20interaction=20in=20class=20and=20assignments=20in=20class.= =20=20We=20 might=20be=20given=20a =20short=20essay=20to=20read=20and=20comment=20on=20either=20orally=20or=20= in=20writing.=20=20 Sometimes =20we=92d=20read=20it=20and=20discuss=20as=20a=20class=20afterward.=20=20Ot= her=20times,=20 students=20access =20their=20books=20via=20skimming=20during=20discussions.=20=20How=20do=20y= ou=20deal=20 with=20these =20assignments?=20I=20have=20asked=20a=20classmate=20to=20read=20to=20me=20= or=20sometimes=20 the =20professor=20themselves=20helps=20out.=20=20I=20remember=20in=20english=20= when=20we=20 had=20to=20write =20argument=20essays=20that=20we=20had=20an=20example=20that=20we=20discuss= ed=20as=20a=20 class.=20=20For =20general=20discussions=20about=20homework=20reading,=20I=20read=20it=20ou= tside=20 class=20and =20referenced=20my=20notes=20in=20class.=20=20I=20had=20no=20access=20to=20= the=20material=20 in=20class.=20=20So =20when=20the=20professor=20said,=20=93look=20on=20page=2022=20at=20paragra= ph=20titled=20 Toads"=20and =20notice=20how=20Joe=20Smith=20used=20metaphor=94=20or=20says=20=93look=20= at=20page=2012,=20 third =20paragraph,=94=20I=20can=92t=20access=20this.=20=20If=20it=92s=20a=20long= =20pause,=20 sometimes=20a=20classmate =20tells=20me=20what=20it=20says,=20but=20other=20times=20I=20just=20listen= .=20=20I=20thought=20 about =20bringing=20my=20rfb=20book=20in=20if=20I=20had=20it=20via=20RFB,=20but=20= figured=20by=20the=20 time=20I=20set =20up=20the=20player=20and=20got=20to=20the=20page,=20the=20students=20woul= d=20have=20found=20 and=20skimmed =20the=20section.=20=20After=20all,=20its=20usually=20only=20a=20few=20minu= tes=20that=20I=20 hear=20the =20rustling=20of=20pagesor=20frantic=20flipping=20of=20pages=20to=20find=20= that=20 passage=20so=20they =20can=20answer=20the=20professor=92s=20questions. =20I=20always=20like=20to=20participate,=20but=20this=20is=20an=20area=20wh= ere=20I=20 couldn=92t=20do=20it=20as =20much.=20=20I=20wondered=20if=20you=20all=20felt=20in=20the=20same=20boat= ? =20Ashley =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 20:04:22 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:04:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS Message-ID: <4e77a065.84c2e00a.3a20.66bc@mx.google.com> Hi Patrick, I have Acrobat, but it doesn't convert. Do I need to do something in Acrobat to get it to work? Should it automatically convert, or do I need to set some kind of setting in Acrobat to tell it to convert automatically? Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: It really has more to do with PDF's than JAWS. There are many different ways to create PDF's, and some of them produce more accessible documents then others. It is also possible to alter a PDF after it is created, to make it more accessible, but this is work for someone who knows how to do it. Dave At 01:34 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: Hello All, Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I must admit I don't know much about PDFs. Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 20:04:20 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:04:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible video games Message-ID: <4e77a063.84c2e00a.3a20.66ba@mx.google.com> Hi Dave, We all do it. You're the moderator, so you can't place yourself on owner status! * Smile! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews wrote: Hi all, My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap forward? Respectfully, JC On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? Patrick On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or other modalities in the same way. Dave At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: Hi All, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why not video games? What do others think about this issue? Patrick _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jcmunoz1989%4 0gmail.com -- Respectfully, Juan Carlos Munoz, President Texas Association Of Blind Students www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: (832) 378-8632 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 20:04:24 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:04:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS Message-ID: <4e77a067.84c2e00a.3a20.66c0@mx.google.com> Hi Amy, Will it select the tccxt even if JAWS says "blank document?" In other words, will there be text on the clipboard although JAWS says it's blank? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" Hi Marsha, Don't you have to print the PDF out and scan it before you open it in Kurzweil? Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth" Hi Ashley, I agree. Dave, I would encourage you to look at the posts in the next couple days, then decide whether you still really think we need to be on owner status. I think we have gone back to what we should be, but that's up to you. Ashley, I tried to create one on the Google server yesterday, but I was using my BrailleNote, and it wanted me to solve a kapcha. So I'll have to recreate it on my computer and ask a sighted person to read the kapcha to me, which is annoying. There is an audio kapcha, but it's not very good. You can't understand it. I wish they'd follow the Twitter model, and just write the characters into the Web site, so we can read them without some picture. Then you could copy and paste the characters into the form field or write them in. Once I create the list, I will send an invitation via Google Groups to those of you who have said they would be interested in such a list, and will post a separate message here (if I am allowed to) so anybody else can subscribe. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Hi Ashley, I believe the listserve chair is Dominique Lawless. Is that correct? Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Hi Kirt, Glad you decided to chime in. It's been a while, LOL! The difference is that the Blind Driver Challenge has been tested and demonstrated with success. BTW, did you get my email about the new list? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirt Manwaring wrote: Hi all, My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap forward? Respectfully, JC On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? Patrick On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or other modalities in the same way. Dave At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: Hi All, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why not video games? What do others think about this issue? Patrick _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jcmunoz1989%4 0gmail.com -- Respectfully, Juan Carlos Munoz, President Texas Association Of Blind Students www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: (832) 378-8632 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydud e%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 20:29:11 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:29:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS In-Reply-To: <4e77a066.84c2e00a.3a20.66bf@mx.google.com> References: <4e77a066.84c2e00a.3a20.66bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, You can open the file directly using Kurzweil, and it should automatically convert the file. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS Hi Marsha, Don't you have to print the PDF out and scan it before you open it in Kurzweil? Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth" This is really cool! Thoughts? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: David Andrews -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment Type: application/octet-stream Size: 314 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 20:56:21 2011 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:56:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible PDF Documents on the Mac In-Reply-To: <007601cc765f$0c5109f0$24f31dd0$@gmail.com> References: <007601cc765f$0c5109f0$24f31dd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: PDF reading is another area where I believe the Mac is weak. You might try saving it as a text document and reading it in text edit or pages. You could convert it to text with Docuscan plus ($300) or perhaps some other cheaper program I'm not aware of. Or you could do what I would recommend any blind person getting a Mac do: run windows with either Bootcamp or VMware fusion. You might try the MacVisionaries list on googlegroups for more suggestions. Marc On 2011-09-18, at 4:59 PM, Alex Marositz wrote: > Hello List > > I am hopeful you can help. > > I have a very good, accessible PDF version of my textbook. It is > searchable, correctly paginated, and has a table of contents with several > layers of bookmarks for easy navigation. I say this because I don't want > anyone to think this is a problem with the PDF file itself. At home, I have > a windows based computer I can use Adobe Acrobat Pro to read the file but > in class, I bring a Mac notebook for taking notes. When I view my textbook > on the mac using Preview, Voiceover does not recognize many of the text > characters in the file. For instance, "They" becomes "hey". The errors are > so frequent, the book is nearly unreadable. There are times when I need to > refer to the book in class. > > Can anyone suggest changes I need to make to Voiceover or Preview to have it > read correctly. Short of that, can anyone suggest an alternative program > for reading PDF files on the Mac? So far as I can tell, Adobe Reader is > inaccessible to Voiceover. > > Thank you in advance for your time and attention. > > Alex Marositz > Skype and Twitter: samarositz > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:00 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 59, Issue 22 > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 (Amy Sabo) > 2. Re: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 (Chris Nusbaum) > 3. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Chris Nusbaum) > 4. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Chris Nusbaum) > 5. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Chris Nusbaum) > 6. Re: for chris (Chris Nusbaum) > 7. Re: Trouble with Yahoo! (chris nusbaum) > 8. Fwd: Outlook shortcut key (chris nusbaum) > 9. nabs High School Committee Presents: Getting ready for the > school year! (Darian Smith) > 10. Re: Off Topic Messages (Joshua Lester) > 11. Re: accessible video games (Josh Gregory) > 12. Re: Off Topic Messages (Elizabeth) > 13. Re: accessible video games (Patrick Molloy) > 14. Re: Trouble with Yahoo! (David Andrews) > 15. Re: Off Topic Messages (David Andrews) > 16. Re: accessible video games (David Andrews) > 17. Re: Off Topic Messages (David Andrews) > 18. Re: accessible video games (David Andrews) > 19. Re: Off Topic Messages (chris nusbaum) > 20. Re: accessible video games (Juan Munoz) > 21. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) > 22. Re: Trouble with Yahoo! (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:41:17 -0600 > From: "Amy Sabo" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 > Message-ID: <005c01cc7550$3e16b210$ba441630$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello chris, > > Well, I have already solved the problem on my own. I had to add > this feature to the ribbons. But, thanks anyway for your help > and, I will talk to you soon. > > > Hugs, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 4:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 > > Hi Amy, > > I'm forwarding this to a friend of mine who's helping me with > Outlook. I believe you have to use the vertual ribbons. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Sabo" To: "NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS" Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:24:53 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 > > Hello all, > > I hope that you all are doing well. I need your help. I'm > trying > to send a attachment to a document and, I have tried many of the > hotkeys in using Microsoft 2010 and, I was wondering if any of > you know how to attach a document as a attachment to a email > message to send to someone? > > Also, does any of you have any other hotkeys/shortcuts for using > jfw with Microsoft 2010? > > Thanks again and, I look forward to hearing from you all soon. > > > Hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:21:44 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: NABS list , amylsabo at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 > Message-ID: <4e750175.03d7e00a.4542.ffffbde2 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > I forwarded Amy's question about Outlook to a friend of mine who > is an experienced user. Here's what he > had to say. Hope this helps! > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "gary.legates" Subject: RE: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 > Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:50:28 -0400 > > Hi Chris. Here is how to attach a file. After you have written > your > message, or when you are in the edit window, go to the upper > ribbon and find > the insert tab. Assuming you are using the jaws virtual ribbon, > go down > arrow and then right arrow and it will say "attach file. Hit > enter on that > and then shift tab to the folder combo box or type in the path of > the file > you want to attach. Then hit enter. The file is attached. If > you want to > check on this, you could shift tab once, and you will see between > the > subject and the edit window of your message, a tab listing your > attachment. > Then, just hit alt s t send the message. You can also send > yourself a > carboncoppy of the message if you really want to be sure the file > attached. > Hope this helps. If you want to make shortcut keys you can > always put > commands you use often on the quick access tool bar. Hope this > helps. Let > me know if I can be of further help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum [mailto:dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:19 PM > To: Gary Legates > Subject: fw: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 > > Hi Gary, > > I'd like to know this too, so can you tell both of us how to > attach a > document to an email in Outlook? Thanks! > > Chris > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Amy Sabo" Subject: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 Date sent: > Thu, 15 Sep > 2011 12:24:53 -0600 > > Hello all, > > I hope that you all are doing well. I need your help. I'm > trying to send a > attachment to a document and, I have tried many of the hotkeys in > using > Microsoft 2010 and, I was wondering if any of you know how to > attach a > document as a attachment to a email message to send to someone? > > Also, does any of you have any other hotkeys/shortcuts for using > jfw with > Microsoft 2010? > > Thanks again and, I look forward to hearing from you all soon. > > > Hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:47:42 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > Message-ID: <4e75078b.cb58340a.0ec0.7045 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > What's funny is you can read DOCX files on another Humanware > product, namely the Victor Stream, but not on the BrailleNote. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:45:54 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > As of now, the BrailleNote does NOT support docx files. It's the > one > problem I have with the BrailleNote. I find that the best thing > to do > is convert your docx files to .doc files. However, Humanware > really > should do something to make reading docx files possible, because > I > wonder how much longer .doc will be available? > Patrick > > On 9/15/11, Humberto Avila > wrote: > Hello, > I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version > 9.01, does > support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure > if you can > write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good > thing. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote > as > of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb > drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher > gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She > was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you > think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the > next version? > Sincerely, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:47:51 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > Message-ID: <4e750794.cb58340a.0ec0.704a at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > They promised that, but I don't think it happened. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:10:11 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > No--I haven't even tried opening .DOCX files with an apex. I > don't have one > anyways. But that is what I've heard from a humanware news > release when the > new keysoft 9.01 was released for the apex. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > I didn't think it supported that file. Do you speak from > experience? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:32 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hello, > I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version > 9.01, does > support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure > if you can > write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good > thing. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as > of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb > drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher > gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She > was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you > think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the > next version? > Sincerely, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:47:44 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > Message-ID: <4e75078d.cb58340a.0ec0.7046 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Ashley, > > It doesn't, except if you convert the DOCX file to a DOC, TXT, or > RTF file. Humberto, I think you misunderstood. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:31:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > I didn't think it supported that file. Do you speak from > experience? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:32 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hello, > I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version > 9.01, does > support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure > if you can > write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good > thing. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as > of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb > drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > Hi All, > I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher > gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She > was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you > think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the > next version? > Sincerely, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:47:49 -0400 > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] for chris > Message-ID: <4e750792.cb58340a.0ec0.7048 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Great! Hope you find the BN (acronym for BrailleNote, you'll see > that a lot on that list) list useful. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vejas To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:26:47 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] for chris > > Hi Chris, > Thank you for telling me about the Braillenote list-serve. I > signed up the day you told me and sent them my Docx question. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:01:09 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Joshua, > > The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my > knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I > couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to > use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email > client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since > I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an > intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. > > Chris > > On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having > problems. >> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I >> hit enter, but nothing happens. >> What's going on? >> Please walk me through this, off list. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:07:02 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , Amy Sabo > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Outlook shortcut key > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > FYI... for all Outlook users. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "gary.legates" > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:55:30 -0400 > Subject: RE: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 > To: Chris Nusbaum > > Hi. I just found a shortcut key. If you want to send a message with a > blind carbon copy, go I to your message by typing control n, and then type > alt number 6. Not numpad 6, but number 6. This works for me. It is on the > quick adcess toolbar, but I am having problems adding items to this. I can > do it in wrd, but not in outlook. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum [mailto:dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:19 PM > To: Gary Legates > Subject: fw: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 > > Hi Gary, > > I'd like to know this too, so can you tell both of us how to attach a > document to an email in Outlook? Thanks! > > Chris > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Amy Sabo" Subject: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep > 2011 12:24:53 -0600 > > Hello all, > > I hope that you all are doing well. I need your help. I'm trying to send a > attachment to a document and, I have tried many of the hotkeys in using > Microsoft 2010 and, I was wondering if any of you know how to attach a > document as a attachment to a email message to send to someone? > > Also, does any of you have any other hotkeys/shortcuts for using jfw with > Microsoft 2010? > > Thanks again and, I look forward to hearing from you all soon. > > > Hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:41:02 -0700 > From: Darian Smith > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: [nabs-l] nabs High School Committee Presents: Getting ready > for the school year! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Greetings all, > The following announcement comes from the National Association of > Blind StudentsHigh School committee, and is for all of you high school > students out there. > Are you a high school student? > > Are you looking to meet with other blind high school students? > > Do you want to develop leadership and learn ways of doing different > tasks and more about the National Federation of the Blind? > > If so, join us as we talk about the basics of starting off a new year > of high school. > > When: Sunday September, 18th at 7:00 p.m Eastern > > Where: 712-775-7100? Pass code: 257963 > > Bre Brown > High school committee chair > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:21:21 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, Mr Andrews. > Would you be willing to help me, in starting a list for us to discuss > one of the topics, that were being discussed here? > We need a political talk list, where we can discuss the political > issues, and how they relate to us, as blind individuals. > That would be an interesting list idea. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or >> so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >> under moderated status until they die out. This means that each >> message has to be approved by me. >> >> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students >> and for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not >> for political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, >> personal messages etc. >> >> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of >> the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >> back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >> David Andrews, List Owner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:59:32 -0400 > From: Josh Gregory > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games > Message-ID: <4e741b30.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff9a4f at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dave, > I do indeed agree with you, but would like to add this: > I do not know how many of you can play video games the way they > are today, and, in some instances, I do agree that some are quite > inaccessible. However, I do have a nintendo DS and find some of > the games for this system to be semi-accessible if I am focused > and pay attention enough to play them, which I do, I'm very into > these types of things lol. I am a blind individual and play by > sound and tactile feeling. > > Thoughts? Write offlist if you wish. > Best, > Josh > > sent from my Apex > Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:43:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games > > We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. > And > ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many > games are > based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound > or > other modalities in the same way. > > Dave > > At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: > Hi All, > I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in > the > back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game > companies > even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? > Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that > difficult to > make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after > all, and > there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible > CAR, why > not video games? What do others think about this issue? > Patrick > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 > gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:10:51 -0400 > From: "Elizabeth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it > should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board > members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the > right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or > > is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this > matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Andrews" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so has > >> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to >> be approved by me. >> >> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >> messages etc. >> >> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >> David Andrews, List Owner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:18:40 -0400 > From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should > at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that > could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? > Patrick > > On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And >> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >> other modalities in the same way. >> >> Dave >> >> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >>> back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >>> even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >>> Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >>> make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >>> there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >>> not video games? What do others think about this issue? >>> Patrick >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of your > screen reader and browser. > > Dave > > At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> >> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my >> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I >> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to >> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since >> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an >> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having > problems. >>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I >>> hit enter, but nothing happens. >>> What's going on? >>> Please walk me through this, off list. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:28:08 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > No, I am not willing, because I don't think it is necessary. Truly > blindness-related political matters can be discussed on blind talk, > or nfb talk. However, what most people mean when they say "political > discussion," is that they want a place to state their right, or left > views -- something you have already tried to do on nabs-l. > > Dave > > At 11:21 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote: >> Hi, Mr Andrews. >> Would you be willing to help me, in starting a list for us to discuss >> one of the topics, that were being discussed here? >> We need a political talk list, where we can discuss the political >> issues, and how they relate to us, as blind individuals. >> That would be an interesting list idea. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or >>> so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >>> under moderated status until they die out. This means that each >>> message has to be approved by me. >>> >>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students >>> and for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not >>> for political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, >>> personal messages etc. >>> >>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of >>> the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >>> back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>> >>> David Andrews, List Owner > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:30:03 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > There have been various blind persons, over the years, who have > figured out how to play some video games. If that is what you are in > too then great -- I applaud your ingenuity. For me -- I don't have > the time or interest. > > Dave > > At 10:59 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote: >> Dave, >> I do indeed agree with you, but would like to add this: >> I do not know how many of you can play video games the way they >> are today, and, in some instances, I do agree that some are quite >> inaccessible. However, I do have a nintendo DS and find some of >> the games for this system to be semi-accessible if I am focused and >> pay attention enough to play them, which I do, I'm very into these >> types of things lol. I am a blind individual and play by sound and >> tactile feeling. >> >> Thoughts? Write offlist if you wish. >> Best, >> Josh >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David Andrews > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:43:21 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games >> >> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. >> And >> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >> other modalities in the same way. >> >> Dave >> >> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >> Hi All, >> I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >> back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >> even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >> Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >> make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >> there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >> not video games? What do others think about this issue? >> Patrick > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:31:52 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > The nabs board and other appointed persons, who have watched the list > over the years have generally been good about keeping things on > track. However, students are busy, and different people have > different boiling points. I am there as a backup, as needed, I at > least skim everything on every list. I try not to get to far behind, > but sometime do -- as I did with nabs-l this week. > > Dave > > At 11:10 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote: >> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >> where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the >> current board members have not done anything publically to steer the >> list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate >> this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by >> the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you >> can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "David Andrews" >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or >>> so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >>> under moderated status until they die out. This means that each >>> message has to be approved by me. >>> >>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >>> students and for discussion of blindness-related student >>> matters. It is not for political discussion, advertising internet >>> radio stations, personal messages etc. >>> >>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of >>> the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >>> back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>> >>> David Andrews, List Owner > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:33:43 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > What's the worst that could happen -- they could spend a bunch of > money on something that is a flop, either it doesn't work, or blind > people wouldn't buy. > > In an ideal world, what you ask would be done, but game makers, for > the most part are seeing a shrinking business, so they aren't likely > to take on a no win proposition. > > Dave > > At 12:18 AM 9/17/2011, you wrote: >> Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should >> at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that >> could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? >> Patrick >> >> On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And >>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >>> other modalities in the same way. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >>>> back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >>>> even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >>>> Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >>>> make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >>>> there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >>>> not video games? What do others think about this issue? >>>> Patrick > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:14 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Joshua, > > I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, > blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do that > for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, so if > you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. Please > write me off list. > > Chris > > On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it >> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board >> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the >> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, > or >> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this >> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "David Andrews" >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so > has >>> >>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to >>> be approved by me. >>> >>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >>> messages etc. >>> >>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>> >>> David Andrews, List Owner >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:14:35 -0500 > From: Juan Munoz > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and > those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The > newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that > the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I > grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to > play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when > I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often > wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the > enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can > think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by > either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player > options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond > this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap > forward? > > Respectfully, > JC > > On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: >> Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should >> at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that >> could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try? >> Patrick >> >> On 9/16/11, David Andrews wrote: >>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And >>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are >>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or >>> other modalities in the same way. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the >>>> back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies >>>> even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people? >>>> Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to >>>> make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and >>>> there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why >>>> not video games? What do others think about this issue? >>>> Patrick >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jcmunoz1989%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Respectfully, > > Juan Carlos Munoz, President > Texas Association Of Blind Students > www.nfbtx.org/tabs > Phone: (832) 378-8632 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:28:44 -0700 > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > Message-ID: <358B2805E4DE42BBA9036130B03F1330 at stanford.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Yes, that is funny, but comparing BrailleNotes to Victor Streams is like > comparing apples to oranges. > > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote > > >> What's funny is you can read DOCX files on another Humanware product, >> namely the Victor Stream, but not on the BrailleNote. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of >> the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:45:54 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote >> >> Hi All, >> As of now, the BrailleNote does NOT support docx files. It's the one >> problem I have with the BrailleNote. I find that the best thing to do >> is convert your docx files to .doc files. However, Humanware really >> should do something to make reading docx files possible, because I >> wonder how much longer .doc will be available? >> Patrick >> >> On 9/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> Hello, >> I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does >> support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you >> can >> write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote >> >> Hi Vejas, >> >> Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as >> of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb >> drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file. >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: vejas > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700 >> Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote >> >> Hi All, >> I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher >> gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She >> was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you >> think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the >> next version? >> Sincerely, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu >> mberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:29:47 -0700 > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > Message-ID: <3FC23E7FE2B94BEF9FA26F8CF37B7418 at stanford.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > How long ago did you have your Yahoo! account? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > > >> Hi Joshua, >> >> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my >> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I >> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to >> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email >> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since >> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an >> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this. >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account? >>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having >>> problems. >>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I >>> hit enter, but nothing happens. >>> What's going on? >>> Please walk me through this, off list. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 59, Issue 22 > ************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Mon Sep 19 21:12:19 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:12:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Starting a political listserve In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been following this thread and choosing to remain silent, but I think something must be addressed. First, I believe Dave made a similar comment, but the political "discussion" started here didn't read like a discussion or intellectual debate in any sense of the meaning. Rather, it was politically driven agendas- both liberal and conservative- that turned into diatribes pitting Fox news and MSNBC against one another. No factual information was given; no documented evidence was used to support any claims; no real political issues and campaigns were mentioned in the posts. It was all opinionated, emotion-driven rhetoric that created more tension and anger than any healthy debate or discussion. A separate listserve specific to politics would inevitably descend into a similar situation. It would be similar to a listserve catering to all religions, but most of us would agree this would become about who is right and will burn in hell rather than an intellectual exchange of ideas and concerns. Based on how the discussion disintegrated on a student list, I'm not sure why others think it could be something else on another list. Second, and probably more important, it is crucial the Federation remain politically neutral. We have multiple members with various backgrounds and beliefs. The Federation doesn't want to ostracize anyone, especially potential members, because they feel the Federation supports one political side over another. The Federation also doesn't want to ostracize politicians because of assumptions that the organization subscribes to one group, or agenda, over another. We solicit support from all political sides for the issues and concerns important to the Federation. We can't appear to support one party even though we expect individual support from all parties. A listserve specific to politics has the potential to come across as predominantly supporting one political party over another. Based on recent political threads, I see this happening, placing the Federation in a precarious situation. If such a listserve existed under the Federation name, it would be fundamental the list remain politically neutral, but as already mentioned, the ability to remain neutral, or at least appear neutral, is not likely. We also have to consider potential consequences of such a list. What if politicians were aware of negative comments made towards their party or causes or themselves? Consider the implications. How can we approach politicians, expecting them to support legislation in our favor, claiming this is what blind people want, when Federation members, or at least Federation listserves, aren't neutral or appear to only focus on negative back-and-forths? It's too great a risk especially when political online communities currently exist. If you want to discuss politics, it doesn't have to be done specifically with blind people. Join any of the online, or local, groups that exist. In my option, if anyone initiates such a listserve, it can't be advertised as an NFB listserve. Arielle has suggested a good idea for those interested in politics; Google it and find online communities dedicated to politics, and this way, you can find a group that mirrors your own political views as well. I'm merely stating what the Federation itself states. I understand the desire to discuss politics, and I applaud you students taking an active interest in politics, but creating a political listserve doesn't seem to have a point, and I fear what ramifications may stem from such a list especially if it appears to support a singular political view. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 39 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:21:34 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him know. For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. Best, Arielle From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Sep 19 21:22:40 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:22:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <4e77a057.84c2e00a.3a20.66b1@mx.google.com> References: <4e77a057.84c2e00a.3a20.66b1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Yes. It's just numbers. BTW, the GMail captcha won't play for me, in IE, or Firefox. I have the latest version of Firefox, BTW. Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > Is Yahoo's audio kaptcha easy to understand? Gmail also has an > audio kaptcha, but it's hard to understand. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:09:42 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > > Chris, it has changed. > They have an audio captcha, now. > It's just slow, when the suggestions are coming up, when it won't > accept your ID, for E-mail. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/17/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home > wrote: > How long ago did you have your Yahoo! account? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo! > > > Hi Joshua, > > The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of > my > knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my > Gmail, and I > couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really > want to > use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email > client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's > accessible since > I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list > is an > intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about > this. > > Chris > > On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester > wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Do any of you have a Yahoo account? > I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm > having > problems. > I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my > account," I > hit enter, but nothing happens. > What's going on? > Please walk me through this, off list. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, > blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 > wavecable.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 21:23:42 2011 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:23:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> References: <000301cc766a$0ed087e0$2c7197a0$@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <8A5D3AA6-D9D8-4C75-B4D4-6A6ED64FAD10@gmail.com> In an attempt to answer the actual question, my understanding of Course Smart books is that they are all at least useable with jaws. Not all books are properly marked up with headings and the like, but you should be able to read them all. You can also let them know that you want your books to be marked up properly if they haven't been already, and they can do that in a couple of weeks usually. I want to stress that I only know this second hand. I haven't used Course Smart myself, but I've heard a member of this list, Kevin Chao, talking about it on a few occasions. And what I've said above is what I've heard him say. Hopefully, he'll chime in if either I've misunderstood or to confirm what I've said. Cheers, Marc On 2011-09-18, at 6:18 PM, Miranda Morse wrote: > Hello: > > I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble > finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was > wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS 12? > > Miranda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Mon Sep 19 21:34:47 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:34:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS In-Reply-To: <4e77a066.84c2e00a.3a20.66bf@mx.google.com> References: <4e77a066.84c2e00a.3a20.66bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: No, Kurzweil and open book will accept image PDF's directly, and do OCR on them. Dave At 03:04 PM 9/19/2011, you wrote: >Hi Marsha, > >Don't you have to print the PDF out and scan it before you open it >in Kurzweil? > >Chris > >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth >Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marsha Drenth" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:12:45 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > >You could go at this in several different ways. If you have a PDF, you can >always extract the text, into a Text file. You could also open a PDF into >Kurzweil. If it's a picture you can open it in Kurzweil and see what you >get. PDF's are the most by far frustrating thing ever. > >Marsha >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Justin Young >Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:34 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > >Hello All, > >Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience >with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to >read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced >this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I >must admit I don't know much about PDFs. > >Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. > >Justin From dandrews at visi.com Mon Sep 19 21:36:30 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:36:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: <4e77a069.84c2e00a.3a20.66c2@mx.google.com> References: <4e77a069.84c2e00a.3a20.66c2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It hasn't been moderated since last night. Dave At 03:04 PM 9/19/2011, you wrote: >Hi Ashley, > >I agree. Dave, I would encourage you to look at the posts in the >next couple days, then decide whether you still really think we need >to be on owner status. I think we have gone back to what we should >be, but that's up to you. Ashley, I tried to create one on the >Google server yesterday, but I was using my BrailleNote, and it >wanted me to solve a kapcha. So I'll have to recreate it on my >computer and ask a sighted person to read the kapcha to me, which is >annoying. There is an audio kapcha, but it's not very good. You >can't understand it. I wish they'd follow the Twitter model, and >just write the characters into the Web site, so we can read them >without some picture. Then you could copy and paste the characters >into the form field or write them in. Once I create the list, I >will send an invitation via Google Groups to those of you who have >said they would be interested in such a list, and will post a >separate message here (if I am allowed to) so anybody else can subscribe. > >Chris > >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth >Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >All, >I also wish we had a list for politics. >Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to Joshua's >proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on the nfbnet >server, but we could use google. > >I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. > >Ashley >-----Original Message----- >From: chris nusbaum >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >Hi Joshua, > >I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, >blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do that >for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, so if >you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. >Please >write me off list. > >Chris > >On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it >should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board >members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the >right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, >or >is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this >matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be >greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Elizabeth > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "David Andrews" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >To: Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so >has > >been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to >be approved by me. > >This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >messages etc. > >And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > >David Andrews, List Owner > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >otmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >m%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 21:41:27 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:41:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Message-ID: <4e77b726.c6dae00a.52e2.21bc@mx.google.com> Have you been able to find your books there? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miranda Morse" wrote: I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Miranda: Why not join Learning Ally? Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: Hello: I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS 12? Miranda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0stud ents.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40 mchsi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.p ccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40 mchsi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 21:41:29 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:41:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: <4e77b728.c6dae00a.52e2.21bf@mx.google.com> And I'm creating it. I'll let you know when I have gotten everything together and have solved the kaptcha. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi all, I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him know. For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. Best, Arielle On 9/17/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Elizabeth, As you know, sometimes things get heated here whether its on topic or not. There is a list serve chair; it used to be Arielle. I am not positive whom it is so I won't name names. Anyway, we've calmed down and I'm sure we can have a peaceful list once again. After all we are all youth or young adults. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Message-ID: <3DAEA076C24B430FA8992293C394DE9B@stanford.edu> Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you will never have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Hi Josh, > > Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just need > to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the > kapcha. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a > gmail. > > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > All, > I also wish we had a list for politics. > Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to > Joshua's > proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on > the nfbnet > server, but we could use google. > > I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: chris nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > Hi Joshua, > > I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, > blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do > that > for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, > so if > you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. > Please > write me off list. > > Chris > > On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to > where it > should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current > board > members have not done anything publically to steer the list back > in the > right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on > your own, > or > is there generally someone designated by the board to help you > in this > matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter > would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Andrews" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM > To: Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week > or so > has > > been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list > under > moderated status until they die out. This means that each > message has to > be approved by me. > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of > students and > for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not > for > political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, > personal > messages etc. > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the > purpose of the > list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people > back on > track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > David Andrews, List Owner > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness > can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info > for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 > gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Mon Sep 19 21:48:55 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:48:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Hand-outs in class In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ashley, I always asked professors to send me any material we'd discuss in class ahead of time. For the most part, this worked very well, and I received necessary material beforehand, or right before class. I had a NetBook laptop so reading electronic copies in class wasn't a problem. And I've never found it challenging to take notes during class with the exception of spelling words correctly. For example, I took an Irish history class, and later an Irish lit class. Gaelic names and terms were often used, and Gaelic spellings don't follow any rules found in English. Since so many Gaelic words were used during lectures, I spelled things phoenetically then found the correct spellings later; either by finding it in my reading, or asking the proff or classmate. Other than this, though, taking notes was easy. I kept current with assignments, and I was aware of what we'd be doing in class by following each syllabi, and of course, many profs. Remind at the end of class or state what will happen in the next class. This helps you stay on top of things. I would email my request to the instructor, and would keep doing so until I received the material. At my university, Blackboard was used a lot, and many proffs. Posted material on Blackboard. This worked great, although I did run into a couple situations where the material I needed was an inaccessible PDF on Blackboard. When this happened, I did one of two things: 1. If the document wasn't very long, I simply printed it off and rescanned it. 2. If necessary, I sent the PDF to my disability services office on campus and they formatted it properly for me. Often, I had to remind the proff to post it early, or send it to me early so the DSO had plenty of time to format it, but this wasn't a huge problem. A few times, a proff sent material directly to the DSO. Electronic copies are great for class because I could do the find command to find pages numbers quickly and follow along with the class. I could also make notes in the text, or highlight (in some way JAWS would read like asterisks or parentheses). Very few of my books were available through RFBD, but when they were, I could use my Victor Reader Stream. You can either download a book directly from, what is now The Learning Ally, or with the CD's, you can put it on your computer then transfer it to your Victor. I could quickly access sections and page numbers, following along with the class, and of course, I had ear buds! The Victor has a "find page" button, and the books are usually formatted to be searched heading to heading, page to page, chapter to chapter, it depends on how they format it, but accessing RFBD books this way was nice and efficient. If books were available on BARD or BookShare, I'd use these too. BARD was a great resource when my books were available except there was not way to search for page numbers, and some BARD books are formatted to skip chapter to chapter, but not all. Since many of my textbooks were literature books, BARD often had them, which was nice for personal reading, but when in class, not so much. BookShare books are great too, but I had to use my Victor with a text file, which I adjusted too, but don't prefer. Of course, we now have a Braille display at home, but I'm no longer in school. That's irony for you! LOL At the beginning of the semester, I spoke with all my proffs, making it clear I'd need material before class in order to participate. If separate material was going to be discussed, and it was going to be distributed during class, I'd need it electronically so I could access it via my laptop in class. This was also one of my official accommodations listed with the DSO, and distributed to each proff each semester. All hand-outs and supplemental material had to be sent electronically before a given date, or sent to the DSO to be formatted. I also nagged and nagged until I received it! *smile* To be truthful, I didn't find it terribly difficult to handle this situation in school. And in the rare circumstances where I couldn't access the material along with classmates, it wasn't a huge challenge to follow along. As someone else mentioned, with material handed out and discussed in class, it's not necessarily crucial that you access it independently in class as long as you have the material for studying purposes. What I found to be a vital element in this equation was to stay on top of assignments, and be aware of what the next class schedule was like. Most proffs have a syllabus with a schedule for the semester, so if you check the syllabus frequently, you know what is happening. This way, you can contact a proff in plenty of time, ensuring you have material in class. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:31:51 -0400 From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] handouts in class Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all, Although college has mostly lectures, in some subjects such as english, we have more interaction in class and assignments in class. We might be given a short essay to read and comment on either orally or in writing. Sometimes we?d read it and discuss as a class afterward. Other times, students access their books via skimming during discussions. How do you deal with these assignments? I have asked a classmate to read to me or sometimes the professor themselves helps out. I remember in english when we had to write argument essays that we had an example that we discussed as a class. For general discussions about homework reading, I read it outside class and referenced my notes in class. I had no access to the material in class. So when the professor said, ?look on page 22 at paragraph titled Toads" and notice how Joe Smith used metaphor? or says ?look at page 12, third paragraph,? I can?t access this. If it?s a long pause, sometimes a classmate tells me what it says, but other times I just listen. I thought about bringing my rfb book in if I had it via RFB, but figured by the time I set up the player and got to the page, the students would have found and skimmed the section. After all, its usually only a few minutes that I hear the rustling of pagesor frantic flipping of pages to find that passage so they can answer the professor?s questions. I always like to participate, but this is an area where I couldn?t do it as much. I wondered if you all felt in the same boat? Ashley From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Sep 19 21:53:39 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:53:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS References: <4e77a065.84c2e00a.3a20.66bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <356694862CE640E5BF76A1634111EE85@stanford.edu> Chris, and everyone else on this list: If a PDF is not accessible, it is not accessible. If you open a PDF in Acrobat, it will either automatically process it or give you the processing options dialog. If it goes straight to the blank document, then there is, to the best of my knowledge, nothing else that can be done in Acrobat to make it accessible. You either have to send it off to a conversion site or use some kind of internal scanning program, such as Kurzweil. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > Hi Patrick, > > I have Acrobat, but it doesn't convert. Do I need to do something in > Acrobat to get it to work? Should it automatically convert, or do I need > to set some kind of setting in Acrobat to tell it to convert > automatically? > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:09:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > Justin, > What you want to do is get yourself a copy of Adobe Acrobat for your > computer. Then, when you've got one of those PDF's that isn't > accessible, Adobe will convert it for you. Otherwise, JAWS will just > read the thing as "Blank Document." I speak from experience. > Patrick > > On 9/18/11, David Andrews wrote: > It really has more to do with PDF's than JAWS. There are many > different ways to create PDF's, and some of them produce more > accessible documents then others. It is also possible to alter a PDF > after it is created, to make it more accessible, but this is work for > someone who knows how to do it. > > Dave > > At 01:34 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: > Hello All, > > Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience > with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to > read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced > this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I > must admit I don't know much about PDFs. > > Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. > > Justin > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% > 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 21:57:19 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:57:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: <3DAEA076C24B430FA8992293C394DE9B@stanford.edu> References: <4e77a059.84c2e00a.3a20.66b2@mx.google.com> <3DAEA076C24B430FA8992293C394DE9B@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Nicole, Can you please email me off-list and tell me more about the firefox plug-in? Thanks, Patrick On 9/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you will never > have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > >> Hi Josh, >> >> Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just need >> >> to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the >> kapcha. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of >> the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Josh Gregory > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a >> gmail. >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> All, >> I also wish we had a list for politics. >> Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to >> Joshua's >> proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on >> the nfbnet >> server, but we could use google. >> >> I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: chris nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, >> blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do >> that >> for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, >> so if >> you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. >> Please >> write me off list. >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >> where it >> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current >> board >> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back >> in the >> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on >> your own, >> or >> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you >> in this >> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter >> would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "David Andrews" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >> To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week >> or so >> has >> >> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >> under >> moderated status until they die out. This means that each >> message has to >> be approved by me. >> >> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >> students and >> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not >> for >> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, >> personal >> messages etc. >> >> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the >> purpose of the >> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >> back on >> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >> David Andrews, List Owner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >> otmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >> can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info >> for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 >> gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 22:01:18 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:01:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: <4e77a069.84c2e00a.3a20.66c2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <81B6C3B4172E40F8A2702F26582E4C28@OwnerPC> Thanks Dave. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages It hasn't been moderated since last night. Dave At 03:04 PM 9/19/2011, you wrote: >Hi Ashley, > >I agree. Dave, I would encourage you to look at the posts in the next >couple days, then decide whether you still really think we need to be on >owner status. I think we have gone back to what we should be, but that's >up to you. Ashley, I tried to create one on the Google server yesterday, >but I was using my BrailleNote, and it wanted me to solve a kapcha. So >I'll have to recreate it on my computer and ask a sighted person to read >the kapcha to me, which is annoying. There is an audio kapcha, but it's >not very good. You can't understand it. I wish they'd follow the Twitter >model, and just write the characters into the Web site, so we can read them >without some picture. Then you could copy and paste the characters into >the form field or write them in. Once I create the list, I will send an >invitation via Google Groups to those of you who have said they would be >interested in such a list, and will post a separate message here (if I am >allowed to) so anybody else can subscribe. > >Chris > >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the >National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >All, >I also wish we had a list for politics. >Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to Joshua's >proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on the nfbnet >server, but we could use google. > >I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. > >Ashley >-----Original Message----- >From: chris nusbaum >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >Hi Joshua, > >I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, >blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do that >for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, so if >you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. >Please >write me off list. > >Chris > >On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it >should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board >members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the >right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, >or >is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this >matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be >greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Elizabeth > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "David Andrews" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >To: Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > >The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so >has > >been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under >moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to >be approved by me. > >This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and >for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for >political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal >messages etc. > >And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the >list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on >track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > >David Andrews, List Owner > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >otmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >m%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Sep 19 22:04:47 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:04:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Firefox Captccha Plugin References: <4e77a059.84c2e00a.3a20.66b2@mx.google.com><3DAEA076C24B430FA8992293C394DE9B@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <03CAC69F70B6449DA8DFBC71A023193C@stanford.edu> Actually, since this seems to be a recurring problem for people who are blind, I'll just post it back to the list. In Firefox, if you go to the plugin manager and search for a plugin called web visum, you will find a plugin that can solve captchas as well as do a few other things to try to make websites more accessible. The one small problem that I found was that the sign up button in the web visum options did not work. I had to go to the site and sign up. They want to know why you want web visum, but don't take it personally. Something about being blind worked for me. I think that it is just to keep people from leveraging it as a way to hack captcha protected websites. HTH, Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Molloy" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages > Nicole, > Can you please email me off-list and tell me more about the firefox > plug-in? > Thanks, > Patrick > > On 9/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you will >> never >> have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> >>> Hi Josh, >>> >>> Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just >>> need >>> >>> to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the >>> kapcha. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of >>> the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Josh Gregory >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a >>> gmail. >>> >>> sent from my Apex >>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> All, >>> I also wish we had a list for politics. >>> Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to >>> Joshua's >>> proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on >>> the nfbnet >>> server, but we could use google. >>> >>> I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. >>> >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, >>> blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do >>> that >>> for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, >>> so if >>> you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. >>> Please >>> write me off list. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >>> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >>> where it >>> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current >>> board >>> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back >>> in the >>> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on >>> your own, >>> or >>> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you >>> in this >>> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter >>> would be >>> greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "David Andrews" >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >>> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week >>> or so >>> has >>> >>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >>> under >>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each >>> message has to >>> be approved by me. >>> >>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >>> students and >>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not >>> for >>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, >>> personal >>> messages etc. >>> >>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the >>> purpose of the >>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >>> back on >>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>> >>> David Andrews, List Owner >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >>> otmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If >>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >>> can >>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info >>> for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 >>> gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 22:17:33 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:17:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Starting a political listserve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61AEFE20D1394FAD88A7F2CF3CFFA09E@OwnerPC> Dear Bridgit and all, Only one thing. I'm not going to clutter this list with pros/cons of a new list. A point to clarify. The list is not under NFB because David indicated he did not see such a list as necessary. Some of us such as Joshua Lester, Chris Nusbaum, and I feel a list about politics and how it relates to blind people would be a good idea. We thought we could discuss laws that affect us like IDEA and civil rights and policies/funding. Politics has a huge role in how we are educated and congress funds programs for us. For instance, Learning Ally is no longer funded by Department of . education. I am interested in the braille proofreading course, yet I learned today that the contract for that course was not renewed yet due to funding. Also, library cuts in states have forced the closure of some talking book libraries. The discussion stemming from a certain thread was only opinionated, but we'd try to have some facts to support any opinions on such a list. We'll see what happens. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:12 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Starting a political listserve I've been following this thread and choosing to remain silent, but I think something must be addressed. First, I believe Dave made a similar comment, but the political "discussion" started here didn't read like a discussion or intellectual debate in any sense of the meaning. Rather, it was politically driven agendas- both liberal and conservative- that turned into diatribes pitting Fox news and MSNBC against one another. No factual information was given; no documented evidence was used to support any claims; no real political issues and campaigns were mentioned in the posts. It was all opinionated, emotion-driven rhetoric that created more tension and anger than any healthy debate or discussion. A separate listserve specific to politics would inevitably descend into a similar situation. It would be similar to a listserve catering to all religions, but most of us would agree this would become about who is right and will burn in hell rather than an intellectual exchange of ideas and concerns. Based on how the discussion disintegrated on a student list, I'm not sure why others think it could be something else on another list. Second, and probably more important, it is crucial the Federation remain politically neutral. We have multiple members with various backgrounds and beliefs. The Federation doesn't want to ostracize anyone, especially potential members, because they feel the Federation supports one political side over another. The Federation also doesn't want to ostracize politicians because of assumptions that the organization subscribes to one group, or agenda, over another. We solicit support from all political sides for the issues and concerns important to the Federation. We can't appear to support one party even though we expect individual support from all parties. A listserve specific to politics has the potential to come across as predominantly supporting one political party over another. Based on recent political threads, I see this happening, placing the Federation in a precarious situation. If such a listserve existed under the Federation name, it would be fundamental the list remain politically neutral, but as already mentioned, the ability to remain neutral, or at least appear neutral, is not likely. We also have to consider potential consequences of such a list. What if politicians were aware of negative comments made towards their party or causes or themselves? Consider the implications. How can we approach politicians, expecting them to support legislation in our favor, claiming this is what blind people want, when Federation members, or at least Federation listserves, aren't neutral or appear to only focus on negative back-and-forths? It's too great a risk especially when political online communities currently exist. If you want to discuss politics, it doesn't have to be done specifically with blind people. Join any of the online, or local, groups that exist. In my option, if anyone initiates such a listserve, it can't be advertised as an NFB listserve. Arielle has suggested a good idea for those interested in politics; Google it and find online communities dedicated to politics, and this way, you can find a group that mirrors your own political views as well. I'm merely stating what the Federation itself states. I understand the desire to discuss politics, and I applaud you students taking an active interest in politics, but creating a political listserve doesn't seem to have a point, and I fear what ramifications may stem from such a list especially if it appears to support a singular political view. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 39 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:21:34 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him know. For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Sep 19 22:33:10 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:33:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages References: <4e77a059.84c2e00a.3a20.66b2@mx.google.com> <3DAEA076C24B430FA8992293C394DE9B@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <002501cc771c$1ca7f260$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Nicole and everyone, But only if you use Firefox. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you will never have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Hi Josh, > > Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just need > to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the > kapcha. > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a > gmail. > > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > All, > I also wish we had a list for politics. > Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to > Joshua's > proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on > the nfbnet > server, but we could use google. > > I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: chris nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > Hi Joshua, > > I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, > blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do > that > for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, > so if > you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. > Please > write me off list. > > Chris > > On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to > where it > should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current > board > members have not done anything publically to steer the list back > in the > right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on > your own, > or > is there generally someone designated by the board to help you > in this > matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter > would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Andrews" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM > To: Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week > or so > has > > been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list > under > moderated status until they die out. This means that each > message has to > be approved by me. > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of > students and > for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not > for > political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, > personal > messages etc. > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the > purpose of the > list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people > back on > track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > David Andrews, List Owner > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness > can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info > for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 > gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 22:36:40 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:36:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines Message-ID: Hi all, I want to read more magazines to be better informed and by reading you can learn how to write better. How is the NLS magazine program set up? Are the cassettes indexed by article? Do multiple narrators read the one periodical? Do I contact my cooperating library to sign up for any magazine? Also I’m interested in reading these magazines. I' wish I could just buy one from a newstand, but can’t. So are any of these accessible? Some magazines are digital, but I do not know if the electronic version is accessible. They are: 1. Time magazine 2. Washingtonian 3. Newsweek 4. The New Yorker 5. Southern Living 6. Fortune Also, I think APH produces Readers digest. If anyone gets it, is the quality good? What articles are in it? Thanks. Ashley From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Mon Sep 19 22:38:32 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:38:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Need for political listserve? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not sure why many feel we require a listserve specific to discussing blind bills and issues. We already do that on the various lists that exist. Important information such as legislation is always disseminated among all the list, and members are free to comment on it. We certainly have discussed topics relating to blindness and politics on this list in the past. I fail to see why we require a separate list for politics when what you propose is already being done. And instead of another list where subjects are talked to death, perhaps we should get out into our communities and actually do something about it. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:31:14 -0500 From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We need a list, where we can discuss political issues, and how they relate to us as blind individuals. There isn't a listserve, for that. There are some for mainstream political discussions, but there isn't one, that discusses the issues, and how they relate to us. I'm talking about different bills, and laws that are signed, that don't represent our interests. We need a list to discuss that. Blessings, Joshua From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Mon Sep 19 22:59:22 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:59:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages References: <4e77a059.84c2e00a.3a20.66b2@mx.google.com><3DAEA076C24B430FA8992293C394DE9B@stanford.edu> <002501cc771c$1ca7f260$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: True, but better than not at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages > Hello Nicole and everyone, > > But only if you use Firefox. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:47 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages > > > Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you will never > have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > >> Hi Josh, >> >> Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just >> need >> to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the >> kapcha. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of >> the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Josh Gregory > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a >> gmail. >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> All, >> I also wish we had a list for politics. >> Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to >> Joshua's >> proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on >> the nfbnet >> server, but we could use google. >> >> I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: chris nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, >> blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do >> that >> for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, >> so if >> you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. >> Please >> write me off list. >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >> where it >> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current >> board >> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back >> in the >> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on >> your own, >> or >> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you >> in this >> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter >> would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "David Andrews" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >> To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week >> or so >> has >> >> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >> under >> moderated status until they die out. This means that each >> message has to >> be approved by me. >> >> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >> students and >> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not >> for >> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, >> personal >> messages etc. >> >> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the >> purpose of the >> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >> back on >> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >> David Andrews, List Owner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >> otmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >> can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info >> for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 >> gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 23:03:57 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:03:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Need for political listserve? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3243D297390F4A86A5987A685ABCB1A7@OwnerPC> Bridgit, Well, we'll see what happens when and if a list is created. One could make the argument you did for other topics like faith, Yet we have a faith talk list sponsored by NFB. We could say those individuals should just go join general faith lists instead. On a different, more relevant note, I agree we need to be active and support our candidates and get out in the community and vote. The problem with accessible voting is that when I go to vote, the poll workers don't know where the accessible talking machine is or how to get it working. I used it a few times when the workers did know what to do though. Other times, I still voted, with assistance though with out that accessible machine. Last few times, what they did at my precinct was either do electronic voting via the touch screen machine or a paper ballot. Paper ballots were marked like a scantron form. Most citizens opted for the paper ballot because it was quicker and they had a record of your vote then. I did that with assistance. Also, when volunteering for my chosen congressmen, I wanted to phone citizens like other volunteers. They follow a script and fill out forms. But I don't know if I can do that. There's reading involved. So, I did other tasks that did not involve reading or a computer such as organizing literature and stuffing envelopes for mass mailings. So, any thoughts on how to partake in phoning people, or what is called phone banking, would be good. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:38 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Need for political listserve? I'm not sure why many feel we require a listserve specific to discussing blind bills and issues. We already do that on the various lists that exist. Important information such as legislation is always disseminated among all the list, and members are free to comment on it. We certainly have discussed topics relating to blindness and politics on this list in the past. I fail to see why we require a separate list for politics when what you propose is already being done. And instead of another list where subjects are talked to death, perhaps we should get out into our communities and actually do something about it. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:31:14 -0500 From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We need a list, where we can discuss political issues, and how they relate to us as blind individuals. There isn't a listserve, for that. There are some for mainstream political discussions, but there isn't one, that discusses the issues, and how they relate to us. I'm talking about different bills, and laws that are signed, that don't represent our interests. We need a list to discuss that. Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dandrews at visi.com Tue Sep 20 00:56:59 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:56:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: NLS records about 48 magazines. They are either available on cassette, or via BARD. If you want one on cassette contact your regional library. If you are registered for BARD, then their are links to download magazines on the first page. Most magazines have multiple readers, but a single reader may read two or more articles in a row. I believe they are tone indexed, but could be wrong. The digital magazines are the most convenient to read as they are marked up to the article level always and usually to sections, and sometimes sub-sections. This gives you great ability to skip around. Dave At 05:36 PM 9/19/2011, you wrote: >Hi all, I want to read more magazines to be >better informed and by reading you can learn how >to write better. How is the NLS magazine program >set up? Are the cassettes indexed by article? Do >multiple narrators read the one periodical? Do I >contact my cooperating library to sign up for >any magazine? Also I’m interested in reading >these magazines. I' wish I could just buy one >from a newstand, but can’t. So are any of >these accessible? Some magazines are digital, >but I do not know if the electronic version is >accessible. They are: 1. Time magazine 2. >Washingtonian 3. Newsweek 4. The New Yorker 5. >Southern Living 6. Fortune Also, I think APH >produces Readers digest. If anyone gets it, is >the quality good? What articles are in it? >Thanks. Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 20 01:31:23 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:31:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages References: <4e77a059.84c2e00a.3a20.66b2@mx.google.com><3DAEA076C24B430FA8992293C394DE9B@stanford.edu><002501cc771c$1ca7f260$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <004201cc7735$01f9ec70$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Nicole and everyone, If we take such an attitude this captcha junk will not be solved. I'm personally aware of a utility one can install on a Web site running the ColdFusion markup language that traps spam and bots with no interaction from the user. It's called CFFormProtect. There are probably similar utilities developed for Web sites that were developed with other Web languages that could be used instead of traditional captchas. The protection is transparent to the site visitor and browser-independent. I wish we would push for increased use of such utilities and methods instead of trying to make a Web site anty spam method that wasn't developed with us in mind usable by blind and deaf-blind Web surfers. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages True, but better than not at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages > Hello Nicole and everyone, > > But only if you use Firefox. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:47 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages > > > Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you will never > have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > >> Hi Josh, >> >> Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just >> need >> to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the >> kapcha. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of >> the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Josh Gregory > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a >> gmail. >> >> sent from my Apex >> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> All, >> I also wish we had a list for politics. >> Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to >> Joshua's >> proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on >> the nfbnet >> server, but we could use google. >> >> I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: chris nusbaum >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> Hi Joshua, >> >> I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, >> blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do >> that >> for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, >> so if >> you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. >> Please >> write me off list. >> >> Chris >> >> On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >> where it >> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current >> board >> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back >> in the >> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on >> your own, >> or >> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you >> in this >> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter >> would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "David Andrews" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >> To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week >> or so >> has >> >> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >> under >> moderated status until they die out. This means that each >> message has to >> be approved by me. >> >> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >> students and >> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not >> for >> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, >> personal >> messages etc. >> >> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the >> purpose of the >> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >> back on >> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >> >> David Andrews, List Owner >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >> otmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >> can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info >> for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 >> gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Sep 20 01:50:38 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:50:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is also a service called Solona for Internet Explorer, however I have heard that it has been down some recently. Both of these approaches very much depend upon only people who can't read CAPTCHAs using their services which is why there are some questions in the signup process. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:59:22 -0700, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >True, but better than not at all. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Donahue" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:33 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages >> Hello Nicole and everyone, >> >> But only if you use Firefox. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:47 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages >> >> >> Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you will never >> have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> >> >>> Hi Josh, >>> >>> Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just >>> need >>> to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the >>> kapcha. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of >>> the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Josh Gregory >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a >>> gmail. >>> >>> sent from my Apex >>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> All, >>> I also wish we had a list for politics. >>> Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to >>> Joshua's >>> proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on >>> the nfbnet >>> server, but we could use google. >>> >>> I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. >>> >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, >>> blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do >>> that >>> for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, >>> so if >>> you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. >>> Please >>> write me off list. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >>> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >>> where it >>> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current >>> board >>> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back >>> in the >>> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on >>> your own, >>> or >>> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you >>> in this >>> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter >>> would be >>> greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "David Andrews" >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >>> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week >>> or so >>> has >>> >>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >>> under >>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each >>> message has to >>> be approved by me. >>> >>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >>> students and >>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not >>> for >>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, >>> personal >>> messages etc. >>> >>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the >>> purpose of the >>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >>> back on >>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>> >>> David Andrews, List Owner >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >>> otmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If >>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >>> can >>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info >>> for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 >>> gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 01:57:36 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:57:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Need for political listserve? In-Reply-To: <3243D297390F4A86A5987A685ABCB1A7@OwnerPC> References: <3243D297390F4A86A5987A685ABCB1A7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Do you use Braille? If so, do you have a Braille notetaker, or access to a Braille embosser like at your college? If so, you could Braille the script or read it from your Braille notetaker. Best, Arielle On 9/19/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Bridgit, > Well, we'll see what happens when and if a list is created. One could make > the argument you did for other topics like faith, Yet we have a faith talk > list sponsored by NFB. We could say those individuals should just go join > general faith lists instead. > > On a different, more relevant note, I agree we need to be active and support > our candidates and get out in the community and vote. The problem with > accessible voting is that when I go to vote, the poll workers don't know > where the accessible talking machine is or how to get it working. I used it > a few times when the workers did know what to do though. Other times, I > still voted, with assistance though with out that accessible machine. Last > few times, what they did at my precinct was either do electronic voting via > the touch screen machine or a paper ballot. Paper ballots were marked like a > scantron form. Most citizens opted for the paper ballot because it was > quicker and they had a record of your vote then. I did that with assistance. > > Also, when volunteering for my chosen congressmen, I wanted to phone > citizens like other volunteers. They follow a script and fill out forms. But > I don't know if I can do that. There's reading involved. So, I did other > tasks that did not involve reading or a computer such as organizing > literature and stuffing envelopes for mass mailings. > So, any thoughts on how to partake in phoning people, or what is called > phone banking, would be good. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bridgit Pollpeter > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:38 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Need for political listserve? > > I'm not sure why many feel we require a listserve specific to discussing > blind bills and issues. We already do that on the various lists that > exist. Important information such as legislation is always disseminated > among all the list, and members are free to comment on it. We certainly > have discussed topics relating to blindness and politics on this list in > the past. I fail to see why we require a separate list for politics when > what you propose is already being done. And instead of another list > where subjects are talked to death, perhaps we should get out into our > communities and actually do something about it. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." > The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:31:14 -0500 > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > We need a list, where we can discuss political issues, and how they > relate to us as blind individuals. > There isn't a listserve, for that. > There are some for mainstream political discussions, but there isn't > one, that discusses the issues, and how they relate to us. > I'm talking about different bills, and laws that are signed, that > don't represent our interests. > We need a list to discuss that. > Blessings, Joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Sep 20 02:00:50 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:00:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Need for political listserve? In-Reply-To: <3243D297390F4A86A5987A685ABCB1A7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, Somehow, I don't think that you are understanding what some of us are trying to say here, although you certainly have a right to start whatever list you want. The goal of Faith-Talk was to discuss the problems blind persons have while trying to participate in their various churches. In my opinion, and I am not a moderator, it has wandered from that, but that was its original intent. What you say you want to discuss sounds, on the surface, as though it is well within what we do, perhaps more on Blind-Talk. I thought Dave was pretty clear that it was the discussion of politics in general that should be carried out on various general political lists rather than here, not laws specific to blindness. Now, if you want to talk about which party is truly the better one for blind people, that's probably on the edge, because the fact is that we have no choice but to work with whichever party is in power. You guys will do whatever you want to do, but saying that Dave said that you couldn't discuss politics in terms of laws that affect the blind just isn't accurate. We got many of those laws passed. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:03:57 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Bridgit, >Well, we'll see what happens when and if a list is created. One could make >the argument you did for other topics like faith, Yet we have a faith talk >list sponsored by NFB. We could say those individuals should just go join >general faith lists instead. >On a different, more relevant note, I agree we need to be active and support >our candidates and get out in the community and vote. The problem with >accessible voting is that when I go to vote, the poll workers don't know >where the accessible talking machine is or how to get it working. I used it >a few times when the workers did know what to do though. Other times, I >still voted, with assistance though with out that accessible machine. Last >few times, what they did at my precinct was either do electronic voting via >the touch screen machine or a paper ballot. Paper ballots were marked like a >scantron form. Most citizens opted for the paper ballot because it was >quicker and they had a record of your vote then. I did that with assistance. >Also, when volunteering for my chosen congressmen, I wanted to phone >citizens like other volunteers. They follow a script and fill out forms. But >I don't know if I can do that. There's reading involved. So, I did other >tasks that did not involve reading or a computer such as organizing >literature and stuffing envelopes for mass mailings. >So, any thoughts on how to partake in phoning people, or what is called >phone banking, would be good. >Ashley >-----Original Message----- >From: Bridgit Pollpeter >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:38 PM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] Need for political listserve? >I'm not sure why many feel we require a listserve specific to discussing >blind bills and issues. We already do that on the various lists that >exist. Important information such as legislation is always disseminated >among all the list, and members are free to comment on it. We certainly >have discussed topics relating to blindness and politics on this list in >the past. I fail to see why we require a separate list for politics when >what you propose is already being done. And instead of another list >where subjects are talked to death, perhaps we should get out into our >communities and actually do something about it. >Sincerely, >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ >"History is not what happened; history is what was written down." >The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:31:14 -0500 >From: Joshua Lester >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >We need a list, where we can discuss political issues, and how they >relate to us as blind individuals. >There isn't a listserve, for that. >There are some for mainstream political discussions, but there isn't >one, that discusses the issues, and how they relate to us. >I'm talking about different bills, and laws that are signed, that >don't represent our interests. >We need a list to discuss that. >Blessings, Joshua >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 02:27:38 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:27:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices In-Reply-To: <4e77a056.84c2e00a.3a20.66af@mx.google.com> References: <4e77a056.84c2e00a.3a20.66af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Has anyone used the GPS application for the K-NFB Mobile phone (N82; I think it's called Wayfinder)? Arielle On 9/19/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Katie, > > I have a Trekker Breeze and like it! I think it helps increase my > independence. However, I will advise you to not let the Trekker > Breeze be a replacement for your cane travel skills! The only > thing I don't like about the Breeze is that it sometimes tells me > I have arrived at a particular destination, but the destination > is really across the street and > offset from the corner. That's why I say you need to use the > Breeze as an addition to your cane travel and orientation skills, > not as a replacement to them. I don't think the Breeze has an > earphone jack, but it does come with a microphone that you can > clip on to your shirt and plug into the Breeze. This puts an > extra speaker on the Breeze, so you can hear it better. This has > been very useful on the busy streets of my town's business > district. I also like the Breeze's carrying strap. This is very > convenient in that if you're traveling, you can carry it around > your neck and you don't need to hold it, giving you a free hand. > Another thing I like is that you can record landmarks on it. > When you get to the place you want to landmark, hit the record > button and say the name of your landmark, like "home," "school," > or "work." In the future, when you get to the landmark you've > recorded, it will say "You have arrived at..." and then it will > play your recording. If you have any questions about the Trekker > Breeze, please let me know on or off list. I'm sorry I can't > help you with the Kapten, as I haven't had any experience with > it. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katie Wang To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 01:27:41 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices > > Hi all, > As I move through graduate school and do more and more > independent > travel around town, I'm starting to think that an accessible GPS > device may be an useful addition to my toolbox. Based on some > preliminary research, it seems that Treeker Breeze and the newly > released Kapten Plus are my main options (I use a Nokia Symbian > phone, > so gps programs designed specifically for iphones or > Windows-based > smartphones would not work for me). Has anyone had any > experience with > either Treeker Breeze or Kapten? What do you like and dislike > about > your device? Do you feel that it is helpful for your independent > travel? One thing I noticed with the Treeker Breeze according to > its > on-line description is that it does not appear to have an > earphone > jack. Have you found this problematic (I would think that it > might be > hard to hear the sppeech output on the streets)? Any > impressions/experiences you have to share would be much > appreciated. > Thanks! > Katie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 02:47:01 2011 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:47:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Phone Banking Message-ID: <000001cc773f$93bf6220$bb3e2660$@com> Ashley, I have done a ton of phone banking. Just familiarize yourself with the general gist of the script, and put it into your own words. Not only will you get the message across, you won't sound like you are spouting some canned crap. If they don't have electronic call lists, have them get a volunteer to help you. There are frequently folks who want to help out, but who are not comfortable making phone calls. Reading names and numbers to you gives them a way to contribute, and allows you to work as well. Though, I've found that most of the time they are able to provide things electronically or work from a web based list anyway. Feel free to email me off list if you have any questions about volunteering on campaigns. Take care, Sean From brownbears at mchsi.com Tue Sep 20 02:54:42 2011 From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda Morse) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:54:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart In-Reply-To: <4e77b726.c6dae00a.52e2.21bc@mx.google.com> References: <4e77b726.c6dae00a.52e2.21bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000301cc7740$a62b9c70$f282d550$@mchsi.com> Yes, my books are on course smart. Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Have you been able to find your books there? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miranda Morse" wrote: I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Miranda: Why not join Learning Ally? Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: Hello: I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS 12? Miranda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0stud ents.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40 mchsi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.p ccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40 mchsi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.com From jty727 at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 02:59:01 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:59:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question Message-ID: Hello all! I hope you are all doing well! I recently was looking at different accessible cell phones provided by the Verizon network and was wondering if anyone has heard of the Sampson Gusto? I currently have the Sampson Haven and wondered if anyone had the Gusto? I was curious if it was as accessible as the Haven? The Gusto seems to have more features and I was curious if those additional features were accessible such as the internet feature or the GPS function on it? Thanks as always Justin From dandrews at visi.com Tue Sep 20 03:04:50 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:04:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices In-Reply-To: References: <4e77a056.84c2e00a.3a20.66af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Wayfinder is no longer available, its maker discontinued last spring. I think some people use ovimaps, I have been told it works well with mobile speak. Dave At 09:27 PM 9/19/2011, you wrote: >Hi all, >Has anyone used the GPS application for the K-NFB Mobile phone (N82; I >think it's called Wayfinder)? >Arielle > >On 9/19/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hi Katie, > > > > I have a Trekker Breeze and like it! I think it helps increase my > > independence. However, I will advise you to not let the Trekker > > Breeze be a replacement for your cane travel skills! The only > > thing I don't like about the Breeze is that it sometimes tells me > > I have arrived at a particular destination, but the destination > > is really across the street and > > offset from the corner. That's why I say you need to use the > > Breeze as an addition to your cane travel and orientation skills, > > not as a replacement to them. I don't think the Breeze has an > > earphone jack, but it does come with a microphone that you can > > clip on to your shirt and plug into the Breeze. This puts an > > extra speaker on the Breeze, so you can hear it better. This has > > been very useful on the busy streets of my town's business > > district. I also like the Breeze's carrying strap. This is very > > convenient in that if you're traveling, you can carry it around > > your neck and you don't need to hold it, giving you a free hand. > > Another thing I like is that you can record landmarks on it. > > When you get to the place you want to landmark, hit the record > > button and say the name of your landmark, like "home," "school," > > or "work." In the future, when you get to the landmark you've > > recorded, it will say "You have arrived at..." and then it will > > play your recording. If you have any questions about the Trekker > > Breeze, please let me know on or off list. I'm sorry I can't > > help you with the Kapten, as I haven't had any experience with > > it. > > > > Chris > > > > Chris Nusbaum > > > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > > www.icanfoundation.info for > > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Katie Wang > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 01:27:41 -0400 > > Subject: [nabs-l] GPS devices > > > > Hi all, > > As I move through graduate school and do more and more > > independent > > travel around town, I'm starting to think that an accessible GPS > > device may be an useful addition to my toolbox. Based on some > > preliminary research, it seems that Treeker Breeze and the newly > > released Kapten Plus are my main options (I use a Nokia Symbian > > phone, > > so gps programs designed specifically for iphones or > > Windows-based > > smartphones would not work for me). Has anyone had any > > experience with > > either Treeker Breeze or Kapten? What do you like and dislike > > about > > your device? Do you feel that it is helpful for your independent > > travel? One thing I noticed with the Treeker Breeze according to > > its > > on-line description is that it does not appear to have an > > earphone > > jack. Have you found this problematic (I would think that it > > might be > > hard to hear the sppeech output on the streets)? Any > > impressions/experiences you have to share would be much > > appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Katie From ignasicambra at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 03:17:22 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:17:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5779853362132453530@unknownmsgid> Those functions are not accessible. If you want a phone that does all that out of the box your only reliable option is an iPhone. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Justin Young wrote: > Hello all! > > I hope you are all doing well! I recently was looking at different > accessible cell phones provided by the Verizon network and was > wondering if anyone has heard of the Sampson Gusto? I currently have > the Sampson Haven and wondered if anyone had the Gusto? I was curious > if it was as accessible as the Haven? The Gusto seems to have more > features and I was curious if those additional features were > accessible such as the internet feature or the GPS function on it? > > Thanks as always > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 03:24:32 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:24:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: <4e77a069.84c2e00a.3a20.66c2@mx.google.com> References: <4e77a069.84c2e00a.3a20.66c2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-1262844244742719268@unknownmsgid> Just use Webvisum to solve the captcha on your pc! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ashley, > > I agree. Dave, I would encourage you to look at the posts in the next couple days, then decide whether you still really think we need to be on owner status. I think we have gone back to what we should be, but that's up to you. Ashley, I tried to create one on the Google server yesterday, but I was using my BrailleNote, and it wanted me to solve a kapcha. So I'll have to recreate it on my computer and ask a sighted person to read the kapcha to me, which is annoying. There is an audio kapcha, but it's not very good. You can't understand it. I wish they'd follow the Twitter model, and just write the characters into the Web site, so we can read them without some picture. Then you could copy and paste the characters into the form field or write them in. Once I create the list, I will send an invitation via Google Groups to those of you who have said they would be interested in such a list, and will post a separate message here (if I am allowed to) so anybody else can subscribe. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > All, > I also wish we had a list for politics. > Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to Joshua's > proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on the nfbnet > server, but we could use google. > > I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: chris nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > Hi Joshua, > > I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, > blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do that > for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, so if > you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. Please > write me off list. > > Chris > > On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it > should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board > members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the > right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, > or > is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this > matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Andrews" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM > To: Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so > has > > been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under > moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to > be approved by me. > > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and > for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for > political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal > messages etc. > > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the > list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on > track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > > David Andrews, List Owner > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 03:29:39 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:29:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <773508066119572695@unknownmsgid> Webvisum does not depend on a human being to solve captchas. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2011, at 9:52 PM, "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > There is also a service called Solona for Internet Explorer, however I have heard that it has been down some recently. > Both of these approaches very much depend upon only people who can't read CAPTCHAs using their services which > is why there are some questions in the signup process. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:59:22 -0700, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > >> True, but better than not at all. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Donahue" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages > > >>> Hello Nicole and everyone, >>> >>> But only if you use Firefox. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:47 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages >>> >>> >>> Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you will never >>> have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> >>>> Hi Josh, >>>> >>>> Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just >>>> need >>>> to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the >>>> kapcha. >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of >>>> the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Josh Gregory >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list>>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>>> >>>> I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a >>>> gmail. >>>> >>>> sent from my Apex >>>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>>> >>>> All, >>>> I also wish we had a list for politics. >>>> Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to >>>> Joshua's >>>> proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on >>>> the nfbnet >>>> server, but we could use google. >>>> >>>> I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: chris nusbaum >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, >>>> blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do >>>> that >>>> for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, >>>> so if >>>> you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. >>>> Please >>>> write me off list. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >>>> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >>>> where it >>>> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current >>>> board >>>> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back >>>> in the >>>> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on >>>> your own, >>>> or >>>> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you >>>> in this >>>> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter >>>> would be >>>> greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Elizabeth >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "David Andrews" >>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >>>> To: >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>>> >>>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week >>>> or so >>>> has >>>> >>>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >>>> under >>>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each >>>> message has to >>>> be approved by me. >>>> >>>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >>>> students and >>>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not >>>> for >>>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, >>>> personal >>>> messages etc. >>>> >>>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the >>>> purpose of the >>>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >>>> back on >>>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>>> >>>> David Andrews, List Owner >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >>>> otmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real >>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If >>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >>>> can >>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info >>>> for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>> 0earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 >>>> gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Sep 20 03:31:31 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:31:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question References: <5779853362132453530@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Unless I am missing something, the iPhone does not have GPS on it out of the box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question > Those functions are not accessible. If you want a phone that does all > that out of the box your only reliable option is an iPhone. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Justin Young wrote: > >> Hello all! >> >> I hope you are all doing well! I recently was looking at different >> accessible cell phones provided by the Verizon network and was >> wondering if anyone has heard of the Sampson Gusto? I currently have >> the Sampson Haven and wondered if anyone had the Gusto? I was curious >> if it was as accessible as the Haven? The Gusto seems to have more >> features and I was curious if those additional features were >> accessible such as the internet feature or the GPS function on it? >> >> Thanks as always >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 04:00:47 2011 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:00:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question In-Reply-To: References: <5779853362132453530@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4D403609B1C1453CB91D320A656EA1A6@OwnerPC> The Iphone does have a GPS program out of the box, but it is not verry blind friendly. There are others like Navigon, garlin, and the Tom, Tom. Get one of those., Your best bet as far as I know will be Navigon, unless others out their have something to say about the others. From jty727 at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 04:01:50 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:01:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question In-Reply-To: References: <5779853362132453530@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback! Justin On 9/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Unless I am missing something, the iPhone does not have GPS on it out of the > box. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ignasi Cambra" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question > > >> Those functions are not accessible. If you want a phone that does all >> that out of the box your only reliable option is an iPhone. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> Hello all! >>> >>> I hope you are all doing well! I recently was looking at different >>> accessible cell phones provided by the Verizon network and was >>> wondering if anyone has heard of the Sampson Gusto? I currently have >>> the Sampson Haven and wondered if anyone had the Gusto? I was curious >>> if it was as accessible as the Haven? The Gusto seems to have more >>> features and I was curious if those additional features were >>> accessible such as the internet feature or the GPS function on it? >>> >>> Thanks as always >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Sep 20 04:36:39 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:36:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question References: <5779853362132453530@unknownmsgid> <4D403609B1C1453CB91D320A656EA1A6@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Oh, I forgot about Maps. No, it is not very accessible with VoiceOver. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question > The Iphone does have a GPS program out of the box, but it is not verry > blind friendly. There are others like Navigon, garlin, and the Tom, Tom. > Get one of those., Your best bet as far as I know will be Navigon, unless > others out their have something to say about the others. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Sep 20 08:33:01 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 03:33:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Firefox Captccha Plugin In-Reply-To: <03CAC69F70B6449DA8DFBC71A023193C@stanford.edu> References: <4e77a059.84c2e00a.3a20.66b2@mx.google.com> <3DAEA076C24B430FA8992293C394DE9B@stanford.edu> <03CAC69F70B6449DA8DFBC71A023193C@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for the information. Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Actually, since this seems to be a recurring problem for people who are > blind, I'll just post it back to the list. In Firefox, if you go to the > plugin manager and search for a plugin called web visum, you will find a > plugin that can solve captchas as well as do a few other things to try to > make websites more accessible. The one small problem that I found was that > the sign up button in the web visum options did not work. I had to go to the > site and sign up. They want to know why you want web visum, but don't take > it personally. Something about being blind worked for me. I think that it is > just to keep people from leveraging it as a way to hack captcha protected > websites. > > HTH, > Nicole > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Molloy" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages > > >> Nicole, >> Can you please email me off-list and tell me more about the firefox >> plug-in? >> Thanks, >> Patrick >> >> On 9/19/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >>> Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you will >>> never >>> have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>> >>> >>>> Hi Josh, >>>> >>>> Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I just >>>> need >>>> >>>> to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read me the >>>> kapcha. >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >>>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >>>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of >>>> the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Josh Gregory >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>> list>>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>>> >>>> I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a >>>> gmail. >>>> >>>> sent from my Apex >>>> Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>>> >>>> All, >>>> I also wish we had a list for politics. >>>> Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to >>>> Joshua's >>>> proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on >>>> the nfbnet >>>> server, but we could use google. >>>> >>>> I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: chris nusbaum >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, >>>> blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do >>>> that >>>> for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, >>>> so if >>>> you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. >>>> Please >>>> write me off list. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: >>>> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to >>>> where it >>>> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current >>>> board >>>> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back >>>> in the >>>> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on >>>> your own, >>>> or >>>> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you >>>> in this >>>> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter >>>> would be >>>> greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Elizabeth >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "David Andrews" >>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM >>>> To: >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >>>> >>>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week >>>> or so >>>> has >>>> >>>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list >>>> under >>>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each >>>> message has to >>>> be approved by me. >>>> >>>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of >>>> students and >>>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not >>>> for >>>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, >>>> personal >>>> messages etc. >>>> >>>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the >>>> purpose of the >>>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people >>>> back on >>>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. >>>> >>>> David Andrews, List Owner >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >>>> otmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real >>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If >>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >>>> can >>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info >>>> for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>> 0earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 >>>> gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Sep 20 09:48:35 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 04:48:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Web Visum Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Is Web Visum free to download? Thanks, Joshua From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 20 13:52:13 2011 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen Ly) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:52:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Engineering Practicum - - Google Message-ID: <7F537F1E-DBD9-49B5-B99A-187656EB23BC@sbcglobal.net> http://www.google.com/jobs/engpracticum/ Engineering Practicum Google aspires to be an organization that reflects the globally diverse audience that our search engine and tools serve. We believe that in addition to hiring the best talent, a diversity of perspectives, ideas and cultures leads to the creation of better products and services. This diversity of our employees and partners serves as the foundation for us to better serve our diverse customers and stakeholders all over the world. Google is also invested in increasing the pipeline of future computer scientists and software developers, particularly those who are historically underrepresented in the field. Many aspiring computer scientists could benefit from a program that bridges the gap between academic study and a professional internship. Google wants to inspire these students to continue in the field with such a program. With this in mind, Google announces the fourth year of the Engineering Practicum internship program (formerly known as BOLD Practicum) for Summer 2012. Current sophomores majoring, or intending to major, in Computer Science or Electrical and Computer Engineering will be selected to participate in the Practicum. This program includes three main components: a software project, skills-based training, and professional development. We will have Engineering Practicum cohorts in four offices this year: Boston, MA; Mountain View, CA; New York, NY, and Kirkland (Seattle), WA. We invite you to join us for the 2012 Engineering Practicum program! This summer internship program includes: Software Project: A 10-week development project that you will work on in a team of Googlers and other Engineering Practicum interns. Skills-Based Training: Enhance your coding skills; get exposed to new tools and programming languages. Professional Development: Attend weekly technical talks by senior Googlers. Additionally, learn how to enhance your resume, tackle technical interviews, and improve your presentation skills. Mentorship: Be matched with a Google engineer, other than your manager, to guide you through your summer experience. Fun: Social activities, community building and networking. Build a relationship with your peers. Exposure: A unique glimpse into applying your computer science studies in a professional environment. Application Process The application process will include the standard online Student Application, as well as an essay submission. To view the application process and internship requirements, visit the application page. From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Sep 20 13:59:12 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:59:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Web Visum References: Message-ID: <788CCA0BE7FA4295A1410B16CDE4467A@stanford.edu> Yes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:48 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Web Visum > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Is Web Visum free to download? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Sep 20 14:13:26 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:13:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Web Visum In-Reply-To: <788CCA0BE7FA4295A1410B16CDE4467A@stanford.edu> References: <788CCA0BE7FA4295A1410B16CDE4467A@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Great! Thanks for the information. I'll download it, and recommend it, if it works. Blessings, Joshua On 9/20/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > Yes. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:48 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Web Visum > > >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Is Web Visum free to download? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From iperrault at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 14:49:18 2011 From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:49:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS 19 Accessibility Message-ID: Hi All, Have any of you had good luck with making SPSS 19 accessible? I need it for my master’s program and I installed it, and JAWS doesn’t read anything. We tried installing the Java Access Bridge, like in previous versions, but since the program is on an academic server, there’s one file that is only on a CD, and my school no longer uses a CD version. Has the NFB talked to the authors about making the program accessible from the start, rather than having us go through all this trouble? Ian From beattie.visionarypersonnel at yahoo.com Tue Sep 20 19:48:05 2011 From: beattie.visionarypersonnel at yahoo.com (Michael Beattie) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Resume Bank for Job Seekers Who Are Visually Impaired Message-ID: <1316548085.57558.YahooMailNeo@web120807.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>       Visionary Personnel, a 501c3 sponsored organization, announces its new resume bank system and seeks new members.  We help job seekers who are visually impaired by creating a resume bank and then searching for federal government contracts matching the skills of the people in the resume bank. We then apply for contracts matching the skills of the individuals in the resume bank. Three of our company's most interesting prior contracts involved drafting speeches for the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, writing final agency decisions for the Social Security Administration, and serving as an administrative judge for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.       The Javitz-Wagner O'Day program gives non-profit organizations with employees who are legally blind the chance to non-competitively win federal government contracts. The JWOD program has been renamed the Ability One program. Historically, the program has been used to create menial low paying jobs in factories producing office supplies. Among the 600 non-profits in the JWOD program, our group was the only one to perform contracts requiring professional occupations. We proved the JWOD program can used to create high paying professional jobs such as attorneys, paralegals, and mediators. These contracts have now expired, and we are applying to be recertified by the Committee for Goods and Service from the Blind and Disabled.         Our future success hinges on our ability to attract talented people to join the resume bank. I hope you will forward the announcement flyer and the membership application to your members. A free membership application is attached below.  Together we can work toward eliminating the intolerably high unemployment and poverty rate experienced by people who are visually impaired. Michael Beattie, President Visionary Personnel   Membership Application for Visionary Personnel Name Street Address: City and State Zip Code Phone Number E-mail Address: Career Goal What job could you perform now as a stepping stone to your career goal? Are you interested in serving on the board of directors? Are you interested in an unpaid internship? Our mission is to reduce the 75% unemployment rate for people with visual impairments.   We need your ideas.   How would you like to see our organization tackle the problem? From alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 20:02:30 2011 From: alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com (Alena Roberts) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:02:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Resume Bank for Job Seekers Who Are Visually Impaired In-Reply-To: <1316548085.57558.YahooMailNeo@web120807.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1316548085.57558.YahooMailNeo@web120807.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This sounds like a great opportunity but there is no contact info for the company so I don't know who to send the application to. Can you provide this please? Thanks. Alena On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Michael Beattie wrote: > Visionary > Personnel, a 501c3 sponsored organization, announces its new resume bank system > and seeks new members. We help job > seekers who are visually impaired by creating a resume bank and then searching > for federal government contracts matching the skills of the people in the > resume bank. We then apply for contracts matching the skills of the individuals > in the resume bank. Three of our company's most interesting prior contracts > involved drafting speeches for the White House Office of Science and Technology > Policy, writing final agency decisions for the Social Security Administration, > and serving as an administrative judge for the Equal Employment Opportunity > Commission. > The > Javitz-Wagner O'Day program gives non-profit organizations with employees who > are legally blind the chance to non-competitively win federal government > contracts. The JWOD program has been renamed the Ability One program. > Historically, the program has been used to create menial low paying jobs in > factories producing office supplies. Among the 600 non-profits in the JWOD > program, our group was the only one to perform contracts requiring professional > occupations. We proved the JWOD program can used to create high paying professional > jobs such as attorneys, paralegals, and mediators. These contracts have now > expired, and we are applying to be recertified by the Committee for Goods and > Service from the Blind and Disabled. > Our > future success hinges on our ability to attract talented people to join the > resume bank. I hope you will forward the announcement flyer and the membership > application to your members. > A free membership > application is attached below. Together > we can work toward eliminating the intolerably high unemployment and poverty > rate experienced by people who are visually impaired. > Michael Beattie, > President > Visionary Personnel > > Membership Application for Visionary > Personnel > Name > Street > Address: > City and > State > Zip Code > Phone Number > E-mail > Address: > Career Goal > What job > could you perform now as a stepping stone to your career goal? > Are you > interested in serving on the board of directors? > Are you > interested in an unpaid internship? > Our mission > is to reduce the 75% unemployment rate for people with visual impairments. We need your ideas. How would you like to see our organization > tackle the problem? > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alena.roberts2282%40gmail.com From tamwill009 at comcast.net Tue Sep 20 20:57:00 2011 From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:57:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone Message-ID: Hello, I am so so sorry, because I know this question has been ask a dozen times before, but at the time I had no need to really absorb this info. My question is what phone does T-Mobile have available that is acessable to totally blind users? If they do not have a totally acessable phone, please tell me about any with limited acessability and tell me what exactly is acessable. Thanks in advance for all feedback. Tamika Williams E-mail 1: tamwill009 at comcast.net E-mail 2: tnw602 at jaguar1.usouthal.edu From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 21:30:25 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:30:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Message-ID: <4e790612.886ce00a.331f.24e4@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, Just an update. I'm sorry I haven't been able to create the group yet, as I haven't gotten anybody to read the kaptcha to me. I will post a message here when I have. I may be able to do it tonight, depending on my homework level. I have a meeting I'm going to later, so it depends. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Hi all, I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him know. For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. Best, Arielle On 9/17/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Elizabeth, As you know, sometimes things get heated here whether its on topic or not. There is a list serve chair; it used to be Arielle. I am not positive whom it is so I won't name names. Anyway, we've calmed down and I'm sure we can have a peaceful list once again. After all we are all youth or young adults. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Hi Nathan, I checked out Yahoo recently, and it looks as though the fantasy football link is accessible. I didn't go very far into it because I'm not in a league, so you might want to check the page out. Hope this helps! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Clark wrote: How accessible is AOL? Thanks, Joshua On 9/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi Dave, Oh, good! They're accessible now! They probably changed since I switched. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews wrote: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Do any of you have a Yahoo account? I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having problems. I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I hit enter, but nothing happens. What's going on? Please walk me through this, off list. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 21:30:33 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:30:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS Message-ID: <4e79061a.886ce00a.331f.24ea@mx.google.com> How do you do that? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anjelina" Hi Joshua, Do you have a Gmail or Yahoo account? If so, you can create a Google Group at www.googlegroups.com or a Yahoo Group at www.yahoogroups.com. I'm not entirely sure if you have to have a Gmail or Yahoo account to create a Google or Yahoo group. Does anyone know this? If you don't have one, I am in the process of making a Google group. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: oshua, You, Chris and I agree and if you read his message, he said he would create one. David said no and please respect that. There are a number of laws and policies such as ADA and IDEA that directly affect us blind people. I'll join when its set up. Now I'll post school related things. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:31 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages We need a list, where we can discuss political issues, and how they relate to us as blind individuals. There isn't a listserve, for that. There are some for mainstream political discussions, but there isn't one, that discusses the issues, and how they relate to us. I'm talking about different bills, and laws that are signed, that don't represent our interests. We need a list to discuss that. Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: Hi all, I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him know. For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. Best, Arielle On 9/17/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Elizabeth, As you know, sometimes things get heated here whether its on topic or not. There is a list serve chair; it used to be Arielle. I am not positive whom it is so I won't name names. Anyway, we've calmed down and I'm sure we can have a peaceful list once again. After all we are all youth or young adults. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" The NFB is still workingi heard. with Amazoneakedddc last I checked. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: I thought blio had novels and non textbooks. Miranda, I can sure identify with the struggle to find books in accessible format. Learning ally was my first choice; but as you point out, not everything is there. I assume course smart is a ebook solution. I'm not sure the answer to the question, but many ebook solutions are images of a book. If this is an image, its not accessible. You could also just buy the book from the bookstore and look for a reader. I always used a reader for something in school. They can skim and look up info faster than I can by listening or searching through a scanned copy. I hope you asked your college to get them from the publisher. If you have a receit for your books, your disability student office, DSO, will often provide them in electronic format from the publisher. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart You're having problems getting texts from them as well? I wonder if you can get them as EBooks, on the Blio. Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: Yes, I am a member of bookshare. Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Wow! What all, does Bookshare for University have to offer? Are you a member of Bookshare? Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Miranda: Why not join Learning Ally? Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: Hello: I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS 12? Miranda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0stud ents.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40 mchsi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.p ccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40 mchsi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 21:30:41 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:30:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Starting a political listserve Message-ID: <4e790621.886ce00a.331f.24f1@mx.google.com> Hi Bridgit, Just to clarify, this will not be a Federation owned or sponsored listserve. Dave is the owner of all NFB-NET lists, and as such decides whether to put a list on the NFBNET server or not. He said no to this idea, and I respect that. Therefore, I am creating one on the Google Groups server, to prevent the problems you mentioned. The Federation will remain politically neutral, and our future Blind Politics list won't effect that. Why? Because it's not on the NFBNET server, therefore it doesn't have the Federation's name attached to it. It's on the Google Groups sforver, which anyone can start a group on. So I don't think this will effect the legislative efforts of the Federation at all, for the simple reason that the list IS NOT a Federation list. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Hi all, One thing to add: my creating of the group puts me, under my email address, as the moderator of said group. This means that if a thread gets out of control, I can post warnings as the moderator (as Dave does) and can block posts or people from the list. I'm not sure how all the moderator controls work on Google Groups, but I'm sure that with a list such as this one, I'll learn real fast! * Smiles! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Hi Nicole and everyone, I used the RoboBraille service that I told you about in an earlier post to convert a PDF for school yesterday, and it was really easy! Just send an email with the PDF (or whatever) attached and the file type you want to receive it in in the subject to convert at robobraille.org. You will then get an email back from RoboBraille with the converted file attached in a matter of minutes. Hope this helps! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: It really has more to do with PDF's than JAWS. There are many different ways to create PDF's, and some of them produce more accessible documents then others. It is also possible to alter a PDF after it is created, to make it more accessible, but this is work for someone who knows how to do it. Dave At 01:34 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: Hello All, Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I must admit I don't know much about PDFs. Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 wavecable.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 21:30:39 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:30:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Message-ID: <4e790620.886ce00a.331f.24ef@mx.google.com> Hi Ashley, I'm new to Blio, and am currently having a problem with it and can't get a hold of KNFB to save my life, but I know a lot of people get textbooks from Blio. I'm not sure how much of a textbook database Blio has, but I'm pretty sure it's more geared toward pleasure reading, so probably Bookshare or Learning Ally would be your best bet. CourseSmart is an eTextbook database where you can get electronic textbooks online. It's kind of like Project Gutenberg. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Yes, I am a member of bookshare. Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Wow! What all, does Bookshare for University have to offer? Are you a member of Bookshare? Blessings, Joshua On 9/19/11, Miranda Morse wrote: I am a member and I can not find my books on Learning Alley Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] CourseSmart Miranda: Why not join Learning Ally? Blessings, Joshua On 9/18/11, Miranda Morse wrote: Hello: I am entering my Junior year of college and am having lots of trouble finding my textbooks. I did find 2 of my books on CourseSmart, I was wondering if anyone knows if all of there books are accessible with JAWS 12? 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Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" wrote: Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Hi Dave and everyone, How do you open and do OCR on a PDF in Kurzweil? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews Hi Nicole, Is there a plug-in for Internet Explorer that would serve the same purpose? What about Salona or WebVisum? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Great! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews wrote: Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Hi=20Ashley, You=20have=20a=20few=20options=20here.=20=20You=20could=20read=20magazines and=20newspapers=20on=20NFB=20Newsline.=20=20This=20is=20the=20way=20I=20re= ad=20most=20of=20 my=20magazines.=20=20It's=20free=20to=20sign=20up,=20and=20you=20can=20read= =20many=20 magazines=20and=20newspapers=20from=20around=20the=20country=20plus=20TV=20= listings,=20job=20listings,=20and=20local=20blindness-related=20information= =20 (in=20the=20form=20of=20a=20state=20information=20channel=20put=20out=20by= =20your=20 state's=20sponsor,=20which=20is=20usually=20the=20state=20NLS=20library)=20= either=20 on=20the=20phone=20by=20calling=20into=20the=20service,=20on=20the=20Web,=20= on=20your=20 Victor=20Stream=20or=20any=20other=20talking=20book=20player=20that=20suppo= rts=20 DAISY=20files,=20on=20an=20NLS=20DTB=20player,=20on=20a=20notetaker=20that= =20supports=20 DAISY=20files,=20or=20on=20your=20MP3=20player=20or=20iPod.=20=20For=20more= =20 information,=20you=20can=20call=201-866-504-7300=20or=20go=20to=20 nfbnewsline.org.=20=20Now=20I=20know=20that=20you=20are=20in northern=20Virginia,=20so=20you=20can=20also=20use=20the=20Washington=20Ear= ,=20which=20 is=20a=20service=20like=20Newsline,=20only=20it=20has=20human=20readers=20(= like=20RFBD=20 magazines)=20and=20it=20only=20has=20local=20newspapers,=20although=20it=20= has=20some=20 national=20magazines.=20=20For=20somebody=20who=20lives=20in=20the=20area,= =20the=20Ear=20 is=20nice=20because=20it=20has=20some=20of=20the=20smaller=20newspapers=20f= rom=20the=20DC=20 suberbs=20on=20it=20that=20you=20wouldn't=20find=20on=20a=20national=20serv= ice=20like=20 Newsline.=20=20You=20can=20go=20to=20washear.org=20for=20information=20abou= t=20that.=20=20 The=20Ear=20has=20both=20a=20phone=20service=20and=20a=20radio=20reading=20= service,=20but=20 the=20phone=20service=20is=20free,=20so=20I'd=20recommend=20that.=20=20You= =20can=20 usually=20get=20blindness=20magazines=20either=20in=20Braille,=20large=20pr= int,=20 by=20email,=20or=20over=20the=20Internet.=20=20For=20example,=20I'm=20subsc= ribed=20to=20 both=20the=20Braille=20Monitor=20(from=20NFB)=20and=20the=20Braille=20Forum= =20(from=20 ACB.)=20I=20get=20the=20Monitor=20mailed=20to=20me=20in=20Braille=20(come=20= to=20think=20of=20 it,=20I=20haven't=20gotten=20my=20August/September=20Monitor=20yet)=20and=20= the=20 Forum=20emailed=20to=20me.=20=20You=20can=20get=20those=20magazines=20at=20= either=20 nfb.org=20or=20acb.org.=20=20On=20the=20NFB=20site,=20just=20select=20Publi= cations,=20 then=20Braille=20Monitor.=20=20On=20the=20ACB=20site,=20go=20to=20the=20Qui= ck=20Links=20 heading=20and=20select=20the=20Braille=20Forum=20link.=20=20From=20there,=20= you=20 should=20find=20subscription=20options,=20either=20in=20the=20form=20of=20a= =20link=20 and=20then=20a=20form=20field=20or=20just=20a=20form=20field=20on=20the=20s= ame=20page.=20=20 Many=20mainstream=20magazines=20are=20available=20online,=20and=20a=20lot=20= of=20 these=20are=20accessible.=20=20Heck,=20even=20my=20state=20NFB=20affiliate= =20only=20 distributes=20our=20newsletter,=20the=20Braille=20Spectator,=20on=20Newslin= e=20 and=20online=20on=20our=20site.=20=20They=20don't=20even=20make=20a=20hardc= opy!=20So,=20you=20 can=20find=20many=20magazines=20online.=20=20Of=20course,=20not=20all=20of= =20them=20are=20 accessible,=20but=20it=20doesn't=20hurt=20to=20check=20the=20ones=20you're= =20 interested=20in=20out=20to=20see,=20if=20they're=20not=20on=20Newsline,=20t= he=20Ear,=20or=20 NLS/Bookshare,=20or=20you=20don't=20want=20to=20read=20them=20by=20these=20= means.=20=20 Speaking=20of=20Bookshare,=20they=20also=20have=20a=20lot=20of=20magazines,= =20along=20 with=20RFBD.=20=20You=20could=20always=20try=20them.=20=20To=20answer=20you= r=20question=20 about=20NLS,=20I=20didn't=20know=20there=20was=20a=20special=20magazine=20p= rogram=20 they=20have.=20=20I=20know=20that=20they=20have=20magazines=20on=20WebBrail= le=20and=20 BARD,=20if=20you're=20subscribed=20to=20either=20one.=20=20To=20sign=20up=20= for=20these=20 services,=20the=20best=20way=20is=20to=20contact=20your=20state=20LBPH.=20= =20Note=20that=20 you=20need=20a=20notetaker=20or=20a=20Braille=20display=20to=20read=20WebBr= aille=20 materials,=20as=20they=20are=20in=20BRF=20format.=20=20Hope=20this=20helps!= =20Please=20 let=20me=20know=20if=20you=20have=20any=20questions! Chris =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 Message-ID: <4e791f80.8449340a.4bc2.3f16@mx.google.com> Chris, thanks for asking that question! I have had to use it once for a pdf so I forget how to do it! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS Hi Dave and everyone, How do you open and do OCR on a PDF in Kurzweil? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews References: Message-ID: <004901cc77ed$4226b810$c6742830$@com> Has anyone on this list ever used or tried to use SharePoint? I started a new job with plenty of experience and education and my team uses SharePoint. They use it in the Government and more and more I am hearing about its use. It is a document management and sharing system. I have found it difficult due to problems with accessibility or lack thereof. As a student, this may be a good time to seek out learning it. Right now, it may not be the most accessible but one does not want to land a job and need to use it. Michelle From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Wed Sep 21 02:21:57 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:21:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Web Visum References: <788CCA0BE7FA4295A1410B16CDE4467A@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <06E79639EBB64CC9A95227017DFF8472@stanford.edu> It should work. Let me know if you have problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Web Visum > Great! > Thanks for the information. > I'll download it, and recommend it, if it works. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/20/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> Yes. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:48 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Web Visum >> >> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Is Web Visum free to download? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Wed Sep 21 02:27:32 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:27:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS References: <4e79061a.886ce00a.331f.24ea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There are two different ways. 1. From in Kurzweil, use the oopen file option on the file menu. 2. In windows explorer, highlight the PDF file and either use the open with option on the file menu or press the applications key to get the context menu and select open with from there. In the open with dialog, select Kurzweil. Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > How do you do that? > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anjelina" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:29:11 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > Chris, > You can open the file directly using Kurzweil, and it should automatically > convert the file. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > Hi Marsha, > > Don't you have to print the PDF out and scan it before you open > it in Kurzweil? > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marsha Drenth" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:12:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > You could go at this in several different ways. If you have a > PDF, you can > always extract the text, into a Text file. You could also open a > PDF into > Kurzweil. If it's a picture you can open it in Kurzweil and see > what you > get. PDF's are the most by far frustrating thing ever. > > Marsha > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Justin Young > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > Hello All, > > Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my > experience > with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes > to > read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others > experienced > this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do > so? I > must admit I don't know much about PDFs. > > Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth > %40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 6474 (20110918) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 6474 (20110918) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%4 > 0gmail.com > > > Anjelina > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Wed Sep 21 02:31:32 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:31:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS References: <4e79061a.886ce00a.331f.24ea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7EABBFD3BDF2495DAE13B189893C4A02@stanford.edu> Oh, and you can also open the PDF in the PDF reader, open the print dialog, and finally select Kesi virtual printer as the printer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > How do you do that? > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anjelina" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:29:11 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > Chris, > You can open the file directly using Kurzweil, and it should automatically > convert the file. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > Hi Marsha, > > Don't you have to print the PDF out and scan it before you open > it in Kurzweil? > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marsha Drenth" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:12:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > You could go at this in several different ways. If you have a > PDF, you can > always extract the text, into a Text file. You could also open a > PDF into > Kurzweil. If it's a picture you can open it in Kurzweil and see > what you > get. PDF's are the most by far frustrating thing ever. > > Marsha > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Justin Young > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > > Hello All, > > Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my > experience > with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes > to > read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others > experienced > this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do > so? I > must admit I don't know much about PDFs. > > Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth > %40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 6474 (20110918) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 6474 (20110918) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%4 > 0gmail.com > > > Anjelina > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Wed Sep 21 01:24:05 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:24:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages In-Reply-To: <4e790627.886ce00a.331f.24f4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, WebVism works with FireFox and Solona with Internet Explorer. However, I thought that Google had an audio alternative CAPTCHA. I find their audio CAPTCHA very difficult to understand, but did you try that? Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:30:46 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Hi Nicole, >Is there a plug-in for Internet Explorer that would serve the >same purpose? What about Salona or WebVisum? > Chris Nusbaum >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" >Sent from my BrailleNote > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:47:39 -0700 >Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages >Actually, if you use Firefox and get one of their plug ins, you >will never >have to have someone read you a captcha ever again. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:04 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Hi Josh, > Thank you for offering, but I already said I would set it up. I >just need > to reenter all the information on my PC and ask somebody to read >me the > kapcha. > Chris Nusbaum > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness >can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan >(President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > Sent from my BrailleNote > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >list Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:11:31 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > I'd be willing to set it up, if we wanted to do it, as I have a > gmail. > sent from my Apex > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:03:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > All, > I also wish we had a list for politics. > Chris, I'd join if you set one up. I'm glad David replied to > Joshua's > proposal so we have an answer. We know it cannot be set up on > the nfbnet > server, but we could use google. > I'm sure we can get back on track. It was happening already. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: chris nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Hi Joshua, > I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already, > blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do > that > for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, > so if > you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. > Please > write me off list. > Chris > On 9/17/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to > where it > should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current > board > members have not done anything publically to steer the list back > in the > right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on > your own, > or > is there generally someone designated by the board to help you > in this > matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter > would be > greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Andrews" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM > To: Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week > or so > has > been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list > under > moderated status until they die out. This means that each > message has to > be approved by me. > This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of > students and > for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not > for > political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, > personal > messages etc. > And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the > purpose of the > list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people > back on > track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing. > David Andrews, List Owner > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > -- > Chris Nusbaum > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >blindness > can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >www.icanfoundation.info > for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info > for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info > for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 > gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40 >wavecable.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >m%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Sep 21 02:43:44 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:43:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS In-Reply-To: <4e790623.886ce00a.331f.24f2@mx.google.com> References: <4e790623.886ce00a.331f.24f2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You just go to open file on the file menu, point to the file using K1000's usual controls, and hit enter. It knows what to do. Dave t 04:30 PM 9/20/2011, you wrote: >Hi Dave and everyone, > >How do you open and do OCR on a PDF in Kurzweil? > >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth >Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:34:47 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > >No, Kurzweil and open book will accept image PDF's directly, and do >OCR on them. > > >Dave > >At 03:04 PM 9/19/2011, you wrote: >Hi Marsha, > >Don't you have to print the PDF out and scan it before you open it >in Kurzweil? > >Chris > >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth >Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marsha Drenth" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:12:45 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > >You could go at this in several different ways. If you have a PDF, you can >always extract the text, into a Text file. You could also open a PDF into >Kurzweil. If it's a picture you can open it in Kurzweil and see what you >get. PDF's are the most by far frustrating thing ever. > >Marsha >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Justin Young >Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:34 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] Reading PDF Documents with JAWS > >Hello All, > >Hope you are doing well. I have a question for you. In my experience >with pdf files it seems like JAWS is selective in which it wishes to >read and those it wishes not to read. Have any others experienced >this? How do we get the ones that don't want to be read to do so? I >must admit I don't know much about PDFs. > >Any suggestions, ideas, comments are appreciated. From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 08:29:49 2011 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 04:29:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Starting a political listserve In-Reply-To: <4e790621.886ce00a.331f.24f1@mx.google.com> References: <4e790621.886ce00a.331f.24f1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You're allowed to talk about all of that on an NFB list, though, as it is all relevant to blindness. The only thing you can't do is let dogmatism seep into the discussion in such a way as to let it derail into an off-topic shouting match about partisanship and which religions you think are "wrong". But hey, if that's what you guys actually want to talk about, I support your choice to make a separate list for it. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Bridgit, > > Just to clarify, this will not be a Federation owned or sponsored > listserve. Dave is the owner of all NFB-NET lists, and as such decides > whether to put a list on the NFBNET server or not. He said no to this idea, > and I respect that. Therefore, I am creating one on the Google Groups > server, to prevent the problems you mentioned. The Federation will remain > politically neutral, and our future Blind Politics list won't effect that. > Why? Because it's not on the NFBNET server, therefore it doesn't have the > Federation's name attached to it. It's on the Google Groups sforver, which > anyone can start a group on. So I don't think this will effect the > legislative efforts of the Federation at all, for the simple reason that the > list IS NOT a Federation list. > > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the > National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bridgit Pollpeter To: Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:12:19 -0500 > > Subject: [nabs-l] Starting a political listserve > > I've been following this thread and choosing to remain silent, but I > think something must be addressed. > > First, I believe Dave made a similar comment, but the political > "discussion" started here didn't read like a discussion or intellectual > debate in any sense of the meaning. Rather, it was politically driven > agendas- both liberal and conservative- that turned into diatribes > pitting Fox news and MSNBC against one another. No factual information > was given; no documented evidence was used to support any claims; no > real political issues and campaigns were mentioned in the posts. It was > all opinionated, emotion-driven rhetoric that created more tension and > anger than any healthy debate or discussion. > > A separate listserve specific to politics would inevitably descend into > a similar situation. It would be similar to a listserve catering to all > religions, but most of us would agree this would become about who is > right and will burn in hell rather than an intellectual exchange of > ideas and concerns. > > Based on how the discussion disintegrated on a student list, I'm not > sure why others think it could be something else on another list. > > Second, and probably more important, it is crucial the Federation remain > politically neutral. We have multiple members with various backgrounds > and beliefs. The Federation doesn't want to ostracize anyone, especially > potential members, because they feel the Federation supports one > political side over another. > > The Federation also doesn't want to ostracize politicians because of > assumptions that the organization subscribes to one group, or agenda, > over another. We solicit support from all political sides for the issues > and concerns important to the Federation. We can't appear to support one > party even though we expect individual support from all parties. > > A listserve specific to politics has the potential to come across as > predominantly supporting one political party over another. Based on > recent political threads, I see this happening, placing the Federation > in a precarious situation. If such a listserve existed under the > Federation name, it would be fundamental the list remain politically > neutral, but as already mentioned, the ability to remain neutral, or at > least appear neutral, is not likely. > > We also have to consider potential consequences of such a list. What if > politicians were aware of negative comments made towards their party or > causes or themselves? Consider the implications. How can we approach > politicians, expecting them to support legislation in our favor, > claiming this is what blind people want, when Federation members, or at > least Federation listserves, aren't neutral or appear to only focus on > negative back-and-forths? It's too great a risk especially when > political online communities currently exist. If you want to discuss > politics, it doesn't have to be done specifically with blind people. > Join any of the online, or local, groups that exist. > > In my option, if anyone initiates such a listserve, it can't be > advertised as an NFB listserve. Arielle has suggested a good idea for > those interested in politics; Google it and find online communities > dedicated to politics, and this way, you can find a group that mirrors > your own political views as well. > > I'm merely stating what the Federation itself states. I understand the > desire to discuss politics, and I applaud you students taking an active > interest in politics, but creating a political listserve doesn't seem to > have a point, and I fear what ramifications may stem from such a list > especially if it appears to support a singular political view. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.**com/author/bpollpeter/ > "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." > The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan > > Message: 39 > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:21:34 -0600 > From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages > Message-ID: > > om > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi all, > I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs > out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young > Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't > think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. > As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and > is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion > with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee > structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would > like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him > know. > For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say > over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place > people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at > his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is > often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and > help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. > Best, > Arielle > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Sep 21 12:16:07 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:16:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Starting a political listserve In-Reply-To: References: <4e790621.886ce00a.331f.24f1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ms Principato: Speaking of blindness related stuff, how's your lawsuit coming along? I'm glad to see you back on this list! I'm praying for the best. Please keep me posted. Thanks, Joshua On 9/21/11, Jamie Principato wrote: > You're allowed to talk about all of that on an NFB list, though, as it is > all relevant to blindness. The only thing you can't do is let dogmatism seep > into the discussion in such a way as to let it derail into an off-topic > shouting match about partisanship and which religions you think are > "wrong". > > But hey, if that's what you guys actually want to talk about, I support your > choice to make a separate list for it. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > >> Hi Bridgit, >> >> Just to clarify, this will not be a Federation owned or sponsored >> listserve. Dave is the owner of all NFB-NET lists, and as such decides >> whether to put a list on the NFBNET server or not. He said no to this >> idea, >> and I respect that. Therefore, I am creating one on the Google Groups >> server, to prevent the problems you mentioned. The Federation will remain >> politically neutral, and our future Blind Politics list won't effect that. >> Why? Because it's not on the NFBNET server, therefore it doesn't have the >> Federation's name attached to it. It's on the Google Groups sforver, >> which >> anyone can start a group on. So I don't think this will effect the >> legislative efforts of the Federation at all, for the simple reason that >> the >> list IS NOT a Federation list. >> >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of >> the >> National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bridgit Pollpeter > To: > Date sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:12:19 -0500 >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Starting a political listserve >> >> I've been following this thread and choosing to remain silent, but I >> think something must be addressed. >> >> First, I believe Dave made a similar comment, but the political >> "discussion" started here didn't read like a discussion or intellectual >> debate in any sense of the meaning. Rather, it was politically driven >> agendas- both liberal and conservative- that turned into diatribes >> pitting Fox news and MSNBC against one another. No factual information >> was given; no documented evidence was used to support any claims; no >> real political issues and campaigns were mentioned in the posts. It was >> all opinionated, emotion-driven rhetoric that created more tension and >> anger than any healthy debate or discussion. >> >> A separate listserve specific to politics would inevitably descend into >> a similar situation. It would be similar to a listserve catering to all >> religions, but most of us would agree this would become about who is >> right and will burn in hell rather than an intellectual exchange of >> ideas and concerns. >> >> Based on how the discussion disintegrated on a student list, I'm not >> sure why others think it could be something else on another list. >> >> Second, and probably more important, it is crucial the Federation remain >> politically neutral. We have multiple members with various backgrounds >> and beliefs. The Federation doesn't want to ostracize anyone, especially >> potential members, because they feel the Federation supports one >> political side over another. >> >> The Federation also doesn't want to ostracize politicians because of >> assumptions that the organization subscribes to one group, or agenda, >> over another. We solicit support from all political sides for the issues >> and concerns important to the Federation. We can't appear to support one >> party even though we expect individual support from all parties. >> >> A listserve specific to politics has the potential to come across as >> predominantly supporting one political party over another. Based on >> recent political threads, I see this happening, placing the Federation >> in a precarious situation. If such a listserve existed under the >> Federation name, it would be fundamental the list remain politically >> neutral, but as already mentioned, the ability to remain neutral, or at >> least appear neutral, is not likely. >> >> We also have to consider potential consequences of such a list. What if >> politicians were aware of negative comments made towards their party or >> causes or themselves? Consider the implications. How can we approach >> politicians, expecting them to support legislation in our favor, >> claiming this is what blind people want, when Federation members, or at >> least Federation listserves, aren't neutral or appear to only focus on >> negative back-and-forths? It's too great a risk especially when >> political online communities currently exist. If you want to discuss >> politics, it doesn't have to be done specifically with blind people. >> Join any of the online, or local, groups that exist. >> >> In my option, if anyone initiates such a listserve, it can't be >> advertised as an NFB listserve. Arielle has suggested a good idea for >> those interested in politics; Google it and find online communities >> dedicated to politics, and this way, you can find a group that mirrors >> your own political views as well. >> >> I'm merely stating what the Federation itself states. I understand the >> desire to discuss politics, and I applaud you students taking an active >> interest in politics, but creating a political listserve doesn't seem to >> have a point, and I fear what ramifications may stem from such a list >> especially if it appears to support a singular political view. >> >> Sincerely, >> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >> Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.**com/author/bpollpeter/ >> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." >> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan >> >> Message: 39 >> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:21:34 -0600 >> From: Arielle Silverman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages >> Message-ID: >> >> > om >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi all, >> I'm sure there are lots of mainstream political discussion listservs >> out there already. Just punch "politics discussion listserv" or "young >> Democrats/Republicans listserv" or some such into Google. I don't >> think we need separate listservs for blind folks to discuss politics. >> As for list moderation, a new NABS board was just elected in July, and >> is still establishing committee assignments. I have been in discussion >> with our new president, Sean Whalen, about listserv committee >> structure, so I know he and his board are working on it. If you would >> like to assist with list moderation, send him an email and let him >> know. >> For the new people: David Andrews is the list owner, and has final say >> over what is and isn't allowed on-list. He has the authority to place >> people on moderated status or deactivate their list subscriptions at >> his discretion. However, a student moderator or listserv committee is >> often appointed by the NABS board to keep things running smoothly and >> help defuse problems before they get up to Dave's level. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 12:46:04 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:46:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question In-Reply-To: References: <5779853362132453530@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-167409850176990649@unknownmsgid> At least it comes with a Maps app which gives accessible walking directions! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:33 PM, "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" wrote: > Unless I am missing something, the iPhone does not have GPS on it out of the box. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell Phone Question > > >> Those functions are not accessible. If you want a phone that does all >> that out of the box your only reliable option is an iPhone. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> Hello all! >>> >>> I hope you are all doing well! I recently was looking at different >>> accessible cell phones provided by the Verizon network and was >>> wondering if anyone has heard of the Sampson Gusto? I currently have >>> the Sampson Haven and wondered if anyone had the Gusto? I was curious >>> if it was as accessible as the Haven? The Gusto seems to have more >>> features and I was curious if those additional features were >>> accessible such as the internet feature or the GPS function on it? >>> >>> Thanks as always >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From pricek at UIC.EDU Wed Sep 21 16:18:29 2011 From: pricek at UIC.EDU (Kevin Price) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:18:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lime Connect: Goldman Sachs Diverse Abilities Career Event -- Apply by Sept 26! 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Some key details: • Application deadline is September 26th • Candidates outside of the tri-state area (NY, NJ & CT) will be provided transportation and overnight accommodations (if needed) if they are selected to attend • 1 in 10 students on campus today has a disability (90% of those being invisible) so we encourage all students and alumni with disabilities (regardless of graduation date) to join The Lime Network • Lime Network members will learn of professional development, Lime Connect Fellowship Program, scholarship, internship and full time opportunities with Goldman Sachs and our other corporate partners Bank of America Merrill Lynch, PepsiCo, Google and Target in addition to specific events like this one in the future • If candidates with disabilities join The Lime Network, they may state that status under “memberships” or “affiliations” on their resume so partner recruiters can be sure to give it strong consideration Please let me know if you should have any questions, and thank you in advance for sharing this opportunity with your student community! 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Goldman Sachs Diverse Abilities A Career Event for College Sophomores and Juniors Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:00 am–3:30 pm Goldman Sachs Headquarters, New York, NY As part of National Disability Awareness Month, the Goldman Sachs Diverse Abilities career event will take place in our New York Headquarters on October 19, 2011. Diverse Abilities offers college sophomores and juniors with disabilities the opportunity to learn more about the firm’s business, history and culture, and to explore our summer analyst opportunities. The program also features presentations, panels and networking opportunities with members of the firm’s Disability Interest Forum. Goldman Sachs recognizes that we cannot be the best without the best people. The Goldman Sachs Diverse Abilities career event is an integral part of our effort to find exceptionally talented people with a range of academic, professional and personal experiences. The application deadline is Monday, September 26, 2011. Selected participants will be notified and provided with information about travel and accommodations no later than October 3. Please contact Holly Jackson with any questions. We hope to see you there! Contact Pat Holt (pat.holt at limeconnect.com ) for Holly Jackson (holly.jackson at gs.com )for more information. Application Process: To apply, go to http://bit.ly/nJg87t From dandrews at visi.com Wed Sep 21 18:23:36 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:23:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Please distribute as appropriate: Student request for help Message-ID: I have been asked to circulate the following: >From: "Amy Ruell" >To: >Subject: Please distribute as appropriate: Student request for help >Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:08:01 -0400 > >Hello David, >A group of students from Boston University is working to develop a >Braille device which would possibly be a book reading device. They >are gathering information from Braille users and other blind people >and need answers to theirquestions this week if at all possible. >Please distribute as appropriate. >Thank you. >Amy Ruell >Interview Questions for the Blind and Visually Impaired >Hosted By Boston University Students > >Summary: Our semester project is to create a business plan for a new >product. We are developing an e-reader with a refreshable Braille >display, much like a Kindle for the blind. This survey is meant to >help develop the product in the best interest of the users. We >appreciate your responses to the following questions. >Send responses to > >mariomenajr at yahoo.com > >Age: >Gender: >Occupation: >Location: > >1. How do you prefer to read? (i.e. audiobooks, Braille, etc.) > >2. In the past year, how many books have you read? > >3. In the past year, how much have you spent on books? > >4. How often do you use a computer? > >5. How would you benefit from the eBraille? > >6. Rank these eBraille features from 1-5 (1 being the most important) > Portable > Inexpensive > Durable > Easy to Use > Long Battery Life > >7. What are your favorite weekend activities? > > >8. What are your top 3 hobbies or interests? > > >9. Do you have any questions or concerns? > > > > >======= >Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >(Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18330) >http://www.pctools.com >======= From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 19:18:38 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:18:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] SharePoint In-Reply-To: <004901cc77ed$4226b810$c6742830$@com> References: <004901cc77ed$4226b810$c6742830$@com> Message-ID: No I have never heard of it, what is it exactly? On 9/20/11, Michelle Clark wrote: > Has anyone on this list ever used or tried to use SharePoint? I started a > new job with plenty of experience and education and my team uses SharePoint. > They use it in the Government and more and more I am hearing about its use. > It is a document management and sharing system. > > I have found it difficult due to problems with accessibility or lack > thereof. As a student, this may be a good time to seek out learning it. > Right now, it may not be the most accessible but one does not want to land a > job and need to use it. > > Michelle > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From struttinstratton at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 19:37:41 2011 From: struttinstratton at gmail.com (Arland Stratton) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:37:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I hope you can help Message-ID: Hello my name is Arland. I am taking a corperate finance class and one of the requirements for the course is that you have a business calculator. I am hoping that one of you may have an idea as to what is reccomonded. I need one that is able to talk and it needs to be an equivalent to the TI b a ii plus I was hoping that some one may have a suggestion. thanks Arland From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 21:00:33 2011 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Andi) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:00:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I hope you can help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a calculator I can sell you if you want. I do not remember what the moddle is and it isn't knew by any means. However it is what I used for algebra and geometry so it has all those functions plus a lot of them I never used so I do not know what they do. It talks and is about the size of a eight oz block of cheez or just slightly bigger. If this is the type of calculator you are looking for and you are interested contact me off list. Andi -----Original Message----- From: Arland Stratton Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:37 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] I hope you can help Hello my name is Arland. I am taking a corperate finance class and one of the requirements for the course is that you have a business calculator. I am hoping that one of you may have an idea as to what is reccomonded. I need one that is able to talk and it needs to be an equivalent to the TI b a ii plus I was hoping that some one may have a suggestion. thanks Arland _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 21:20:06 2011 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:20:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I hope you can help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Though I can't speak for Arland, I'm not sure this is what he's looking for. If the "TI b a ii plus" is anything like the HP-10B which is a standard finance calculator, he'll need specific functions such as various types of interest, annuities, amortization, and other finance-specific buttons and terms. I am also taking a finance course and have not yet found an accessible calculator. Brice On 9/21/11, Andi wrote: > I have a calculator I can sell you if you want. I do not remember what the > moddle is and it isn't knew by any means. However it is what I used for > algebra and geometry so it has all those functions plus a lot of them I > never used so I do not know what they do. It talks and is about the size of > a eight oz block of cheez or just slightly bigger. If this is the type of > calculator you are looking for and you are interested contact me off list. > Andi > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arland Stratton > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:37 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] I hope you can help > > Hello my name is Arland. I am taking a corperate finance class and > one of the requirements for the course is that you have a business > calculator. I am hoping that one of you may have an idea as to what > is reccomonded. I need one that is able to talk and it needs to be an > equivalent to the TI b a ii plus I was hoping that some one may have a > suggestion. thanks Arland > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com > -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 22:43:01 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:43:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I hope you can help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hey I have a friend who has a BA in busnes and finance and he did his stuff on his computer. I will send your email to him and tell him to get in contact with you if you like. Lea williams On 9/21/11, Brice Smith wrote: > Though I can't speak for Arland, I'm not sure this is what he's > looking for. If the "TI b a ii plus" is anything like the HP-10B which > is a standard finance calculator, he'll need specific functions such > as various types of interest, annuities, amortization, and other > finance-specific buttons and terms. I am also taking a finance course > and have not yet found an accessible calculator. > > Brice > > On 9/21/11, Andi wrote: >> I have a calculator I can sell you if you want. I do not remember what >> the >> moddle is and it isn't knew by any means. However it is what I used for >> algebra and geometry so it has all those functions plus a lot of them I >> never used so I do not know what they do. It talks and is about the size >> of >> a eight oz block of cheez or just slightly bigger. If this is the type of >> calculator you are looking for and you are interested contact me off list. >> Andi >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arland Stratton >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:37 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] I hope you can help >> >> Hello my name is Arland. I am taking a corperate finance class and >> one of the requirements for the course is that you have a business >> calculator. I am hoping that one of you may have an idea as to what >> is reccomonded. I need one that is able to talk and it needs to be an >> equivalent to the TI b a ii plus I was hoping that some one may have a >> suggestion. thanks Arland >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Brice Smith > North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations > Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 23:18:53 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:18:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] I hope you can help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arland, Have you tried searching to see if there is an online finance calcculator you could use for free? There probably is somewhere, if you google "online interest calculator" or some such, like there is an online calculator for performing basic statistical tests. Speaking of stats, for those of you taking intro-level stats or research methods, there's a cool online calculator called Graphpad Quickcalcs that will perform basic tests (T-tests, chi-square, p-value calculations etc.) that is very accessible and may be easier to use than the stat programs being used in your class. Email me off-list if you want more details, or you can punch "graphpad quickcalcs" into Google. Best, Arielle On 9/21/11, Lea williams wrote: > hey I have a friend who has a BA in busnes and finance and he did his > stuff on his computer. I will send your email to him and tell him to > get in contact with you if you like. > > Lea williams > > On 9/21/11, Brice Smith wrote: >> Though I can't speak for Arland, I'm not sure this is what he's >> looking for. If the "TI b a ii plus" is anything like the HP-10B which >> is a standard finance calculator, he'll need specific functions such >> as various types of interest, annuities, amortization, and other >> finance-specific buttons and terms. I am also taking a finance course >> and have not yet found an accessible calculator. >> >> Brice >> >> On 9/21/11, Andi wrote: >>> I have a calculator I can sell you if you want. I do not remember what >>> the >>> moddle is and it isn't knew by any means. However it is what I used for >>> algebra and geometry so it has all those functions plus a lot of them I >>> never used so I do not know what they do. It talks and is about the size >>> of >>> a eight oz block of cheez or just slightly bigger. If this is the type >>> of >>> calculator you are looking for and you are interested contact me off >>> list. >>> Andi >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arland Stratton >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:37 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] I hope you can help >>> >>> Hello my name is Arland. I am taking a corperate finance class and >>> one of the requirements for the course is that you have a business >>> calculator. I am hoping that one of you may have an idea as to what >>> is reccomonded. I need one that is able to talk and it needs to be an >>> equivalent to the TI b a ii plus I was hoping that some one may have a >>> suggestion. thanks Arland >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brice Smith >> North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations >> Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From vmartin at mindspring.com Thu Sep 22 00:14:07 2011 From: vmartin at mindspring.com (Vincent Martin) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:14:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible citation managers Message-ID: <000301cc78bc$8c005ac0$a4011040$@com> What citation managers are screen reader users using right now. Since I moved to Windows 7, I have not been able to get End Note to install on either of my computers. The Information Technology department still has not been able to find a workaround. I ran Endnote version 3 on my old laptop before I updated it and it runs the program fine. I have not been able to either update to version 4 or 5 or get version 4 or 5 to install natively on any machine running Windows 7. I really need a Windows based or web-based citation manager, because citing references is super necessary doing research in graduate school. Ps- Endnote for the Mac installed flawlessly! "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you'll be a Man, my son!" Rudyard Kipling From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 00:55:33 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:55:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Fwd: Please distribute as appropriate: Student requestfor help Message-ID: <4e7a87a6.52b1e00a.1c74.773f@mx.google.com> ---- Original Message ------ From: David Andrews http://www.pctools.com ======= _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusb aum%40gmail.com From jty727 at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 04:34:10 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:34:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FS Reader Message-ID: Hello All! I was wondering if any of you have used the FS Reader program which allows you to listen to the DAISY books on your computer. I was a bit confuse on how to actually set it up. My Victor Reader Stream is currently being fixed and I thought this would be a good option until a new one is ready. Unsure of how to get the books from the RFBD(Learning Ally) site to play on the FS Reader program. Any help is much appreciated! Justin From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 14:33:53 2011 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:33:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Iabs-talk] I am hoping you can help Message-ID: Hi all, If anyone can help fulfill this request, please contact the person mentioned in the below e-mail. Thanks, and take care. Liz Bottner President, IABS Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: iabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:iabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arland Stratton struttinstratton at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:43 PM To: iabs-talk at nfbnet.org Subject: [Iabs-talk] I am hoping you can help Hello my name is Arland. I am taking a corprate finance class and one of the requirements is that you have a business calculator. I am hoping that one of you may be able to make a suggestion as to what may be an equivalent to the TI b a ii plus wich is what the rest of the class is using. I am trying to purchase one that talks so if any of you have any ideas pleas let me know. Thanks; Arland _______________________________________________ Iabs-talk mailing list Iabs-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/iabs-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Iabs-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/iabs-talk_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmail .com From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Thu Sep 22 14:58:41 2011 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:58:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Iabs-talk] I am hoping you can help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In going through list mail, I see that this request was put on this list. Apologies for the duplicate. It really does pay to read mail first before posting, I guess. Liz Bottner Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liz Bottner Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:34 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Iabs-talk] I am hoping you can help Hi all, If anyone can help fulfill this request, please contact the person mentioned in the below e-mail. Thanks, and take care. Liz Bottner President, IABS Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: iabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:iabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arland Stratton struttinstratton at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:43 PM To: iabs-talk at nfbnet.org Subject: [Iabs-talk] I am hoping you can help Hello my name is Arland. I am taking a corprate finance class and one of the requirements is that you have a business calculator. I am hoping that one of you may be able to make a suggestion as to what may be an equivalent to the TI b a ii plus wich is what the rest of the class is using. I am trying to purchase one that talks so if any of you have any ideas pleas let me know. Thanks; Arland _______________________________________________ Iabs-talk mailing list Iabs-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/iabs-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Iabs-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/iabs-talk_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmail.co m From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 20:27:53 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:27:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] fwd: [blindtlk] student request for help Message-ID: <4e7b9a6c.a56c340a.3aa4.ffff9dde@mx.google.com> FYI... I think many of you could help with this. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: David Andrews http://www.pctools.com ======= _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusb aum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 20:27:41 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:27:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Captchas was Re: Off Topic Messages Message-ID: <4e7b9a60.a56c340a.3aa4.ffff9dd2@mx.google.com> Hi Steve, I tried the Google audio KAPCHA when I created my school email account in Gmail, but I too found it hard to understand. Where can I download Solona? Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Andrews" Thanks, Nicole! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" Ok, thanks Dave! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews Hi Rania and everyone, I talked to a friend of mine and figured it out. All you have to do is open Kurzweil, go to your My Documents folder or whatever folder you have the PDF in, hit Enter and it should start doing OCR on it. It might take a few minutes, but it will finally come up and read just like a scanned print document. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" Hi Michelle, I don't know about SharePoint, but DropBox serves the same purpose and is totally accessible. Go to dropbox.com to download the software. I don't know if your employer would let you use DropBox instead of SharePoint if it works for you, but it would probably be better to see if anybody has used SharePoint and if it is accessible, before you download another program. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Clark" Hi Alena, This is Chris from Arianna's Art, Inc. Welcome to the NABS list! I'm not sure, but I'd say you could email the guy who posted it. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Alena Roberts ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list Hi Tamika, Sorry I can't tell you what phones are accessible with T Mobile, as I'm a Verizon user. However, if you're an NFB member (which I assume you are,) there's an NFB-MEMBER discount at T Mobile. Because of this, it would only make sense to have an accessible phone if they have an NFB discount. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamika Williams" Message-ID: <1316724111.17590.YahooMailClassic@web162014.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hello Chris, Some time ago you were seeking people who are members of the NFB or ACB for a conferience. Although I am much more active with the NFB, but I am involved with both the NFB and ACB and have strong oppinion and experiences which I would be glad to share. Just let me know how or if I can help you.   thanks Anmol   I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: From: Chris Nusbaum Subject: [talkshopchatters] fwd: [blindtlk] student request for help To: "NABS list" , "NFBMD list" , talkshopchatters at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 3:27 PM   FYI... I think many of you could help with this. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: David Andrews http://www.pctools.com ======= _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusb aum%40gmail.com __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 1 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 20:45:49 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Re: [talkshopchatters] fwd: [blindtlk] student request for help In-Reply-To: <4e7b9a6c.a56c340a.3aa4.ffff9dde@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1316724349.84802.YahooMailClassic@web162019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>   Chris, Let me make a quick correction to my previous email. I have been involved with the ACB in the past. I am currently active with the NFB.   thanks Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: From: Chris Nusbaum Subject: [talkshopchatters] fwd: [blindtlk] student request for help To: "NABS list" , "NFBMD list" , talkshopchatters at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 3:27 PM   FYI... I think many of you could help with this. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: David Andrews http://www.pctools.com ======= _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusb aum%40gmail.com __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 1 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 14:51:27 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:51:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Message-ID: I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. Please help! Marsha From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 24 15:01:04 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:01:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: IE 8, is obselete. IE 9 just came out. Get it, and see what happens. Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold music. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, > Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser > modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. > Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I > originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have > installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing > has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. > > > > Please help! > > > > Marsha > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 16:00:44 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:00:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8, is obselete. IE 9 just came out. Get it, and see what happens. Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold music. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, > Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser > modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. > Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I > originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have > installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing > has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. > > > > Please help! > > > > Marsha > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 16:34:39 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:34:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, IE8 does not work, and it is not supported by windows XP. IE8 is not obsulete yet, and it works pretty well with my JAWS 12. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8, is obselete. IE 9 just came out. Get it, and see what happens. Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold music. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, > Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser > modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. > Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I > originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have > installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing > has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. > > > > Please help! > > > > Marsha > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 24 17:02:22 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:02:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Message-ID: Have you contacted Freedom Scientific? It also could be your computer. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. > > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. > > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > IE 8, is obselete. > IE 9 just came out. > Get it, and see what happens. > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold > music. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a > webpage, >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other > curser >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads > nothing. >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 17:27:51 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 13:27:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Message-ID: Hi Marsha, I'm also using JAWS 12 and IE 8 on my Windows XP computer, and it works perfectly fine, so I'm baffled about why you are having problems all of a sudden. I assume you have tried the old trick of restarting your computer? If so, the best thing to do may be contacting the tech support at Freedom Scientific. My intuition is that your installation of JAWS may have gotten corrupted somehow and you will need to reinstall it, but I would suggest speaking to the professionals first before going through all that hassle. Good luck! Katie On 9/24/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Have you contacted Freedom Scientific? > It also could be your computer. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather >> figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated >> to >> IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to >> IE9. >> I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out >> doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. >> >> So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >> IE 8, is obselete. >> IE 9 just came out. >> Get it, and see what happens. >> Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >> If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >> I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold >> music. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >> webpage, >>> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >> curser >>> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >> nothing. >>> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >>> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >>> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. >>> Nothing >>> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please help! >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From maryesanchez at grandecom.net Sat Sep 24 17:44:09 2011 From: maryesanchez at grandecom.net (Mary Ellen Sanchez) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:44:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Message-ID: <004e01cc7ae1$90824af0$b186e0d0$@net> Hi it works well for me as well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8, is obselete. IE 9 just came out. Get it, and see what happens. Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold music. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, > Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser > modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. > Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I > originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have > installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing > has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. > > > > Please help! > > > > Marsha > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom .net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 18:05:22 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:05:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Message-ID: Hi Marsha, Freedom Scientific is closed for the weekend, so you might want to email support at freedomscientific.com to get the fastest response, and if you don't get one in a couple days after they reopen, give them a call at 727-803-8600. Chris On 9/24/11, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi Marsha, > I'm also using JAWS 12 and IE 8 on my Windows XP computer, and it > works perfectly fine, so I'm baffled about why you are having problems > all of a sudden. I assume you have tried the old trick of restarting > your computer? If so, the best thing to do may be contacting the tech > support at Freedom Scientific. My intuition is that your installation > of JAWS may have gotten corrupted somehow and you will need to > reinstall it, but I would suggest speaking to the professionals first > before going through all that hassle. > Good luck! > Katie > > > On 9/24/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Have you contacted Freedom Scientific? >> It also could be your computer. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather >>> figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated >>> to >>> IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to >>> IE9. >>> I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes >>> out >>> doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. >>> >>> So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please >>> share. >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >>> >>> IE 8, is obselete. >>> IE 9 just came out. >>> Get it, and see what happens. >>> Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >>> If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >>> I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold >>> music. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>>> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >>> webpage, >>>> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >>> curser >>>> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >>> nothing. >>>> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >>>> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >>>> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. >>>> Nothing >>>> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please help! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 18:08:25 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:08:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Message-ID: Hi Marsha and everyone, I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so it should be compatible with XP. Chris On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. > > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. > > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > IE 8, is obselete. > IE 9 just came out. > Get it, and see what happens. > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold > music. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a > webpage, >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other > curser >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads > nothing. >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 18:09:34 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:09:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joshua, The full version of JAWS 13 isn't out, but the beta is. Chris On 9/24/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > IE 8, is obselete. > IE 9 just came out. > Get it, and see what happens. > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold > music. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >> webpage, >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >> curser >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >> nothing. >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 18:23:30 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:23:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Message-ID: Hi chriss, No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp in 2014? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi Marsha and everyone, I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so it should be compatible with XP. Chris On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. > > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. > > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > IE 8, is obselete. > IE 9 just came out. > Get it, and see what happens. > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold > music. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a > webpage, >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other > curser >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads > nothing. >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Sep 24 19:32:57 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:32:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Message-ID: They are recommending Windows 7, because Windows Vista has had so many complaints against it. I need to upgrade from Vista, myself, but I don't want to pay $100 to do it. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hi chriss, > > No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows > xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been > hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will > not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and > even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by > windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer > systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp > in 2014? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > Hi Marsha and everyone, > > I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. > Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so > it should be compatible with XP. > > Chris > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather >> figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated > to >> IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to > IE9. >> I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out >> doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. >> >> So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >> IE 8, is obselete. >> IE 9 just came out. >> Get it, and see what happens. >> Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >> If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >> I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold >> music. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >> webpage, >>> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >> curser >>> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >> nothing. >>> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >>> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >>> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. > Nothing >>> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please help! >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Sep 24 20:30:20 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 16:30:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Message-ID: <98A74825493F40ECA611CA3131D684C2@OwnerPC> IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions advance, they often do not work work with old software. Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi chriss, No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp in 2014? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi Marsha and everyone, I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so it should be compatible with XP. Chris On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. > > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. > > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > IE 8, is obselete. > IE 9 just came out. > Get it, and see what happens. > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold > music. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a > webpage, >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other > curser >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads > nothing. >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 20:56:51 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 16:56:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> Message-ID: <7B2BF502598C4C98AEAF72A7F8F424AD@Cptr233> Thanks Katie, yes I have restarted my computer numerous times. I hesitate to contact anyone at FS, as I don't have much confidence in them. The browser works, it is more of how JAWS is interpreting it that is the problem. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi Marsha, I'm also using JAWS 12 and IE 8 on my Windows XP computer, and it works perfectly fine, so I'm baffled about why you are having problems all of a sudden. I assume you have tried the old trick of restarting your computer? If so, the best thing to do may be contacting the tech support at Freedom Scientific. My intuition is that your installation of JAWS may have gotten corrupted somehow and you will need to reinstall it, but I would suggest speaking to the professionals first before going through all that hassle. Good luck! Katie On 9/24/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Have you contacted Freedom Scientific? > It also could be your computer. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather >> figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated >> to >> IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to >> IE9. >> I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out >> doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. >> >> So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >> IE 8, is obselete. >> IE 9 just came out. >> Get it, and see what happens. >> Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >> If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >> I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold >> music. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >> webpage, >>> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >> curser >>> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >> nothing. >>> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >>> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >>> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. >>> Nothing >>> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please help! >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 21:01:39 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 17:01:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: <98A74825493F40ECA611CA3131D684C2@OwnerPC> References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> <98A74825493F40ECA611CA3131D684C2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as I possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not upgrading. Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose to work, then why is mine not. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions advance, they often do not work work with old software. Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi chriss, No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp in 2014? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi Marsha and everyone, I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so it should be compatible with XP. Chris On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. > > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. > > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > IE 8, is obselete. > IE 9 just came out. > Get it, and see what happens. > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold > music. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a > webpage, >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other > curser >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads > nothing. >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 00:31:47 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 20:31:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> <98A74825493F40ECA611CA3131D684C2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: And Windows 8 will be coming out soon, at which time those of us with older versions, including even Windows 7, will be left in the dust! Chris On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as I > possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't > have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much > of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not > upgrading. > > Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose to > work, then why is mine not. > > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions > advance, they often do not work work with old software. > Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > Hi chriss, > > No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows > xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been > hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will > not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and > even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by > windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer > systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp > in 2014? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > Hi Marsha and everyone, > > I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. > Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so > it should be compatible with XP. > > Chris > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather >> figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated > to >> IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to > IE9. >> I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out >> doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. >> >> So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >> IE 8, is obselete. >> IE 9 just came out. >> Get it, and see what happens. >> Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >> If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >> I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold >> music. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >> webpage, >>> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >> curser >>> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >> nothing. >>> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >>> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >>> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. > Nothing >>> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please help! >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6491 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6491 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 00:41:58 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 20:41:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> <98A74825493F40ECA611CA3131D684C2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Marsha, I have Windows 7, and yes Vista was a screw-up, but I would describe Windows 7 as the technology of Vista with the common sense and logic of XP. But the choice is yours. Chris On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as I > possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't > have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much > of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not > upgrading. > > Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose to > work, then why is mine not. > > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions > advance, they often do not work work with old software. > Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > Hi chriss, > > No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows > xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been > hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will > not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and > even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by > windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer > systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp > in 2014? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > Hi Marsha and everyone, > > I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. > Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so > it should be compatible with XP. > > Chris > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather >> figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated > to >> IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to > IE9. >> I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out >> doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. >> >> So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >> IE 8, is obselete. >> IE 9 just came out. >> Get it, and see what happens. >> Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >> If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >> I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold >> music. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >> webpage, >>> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >> curser >>> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >> nothing. >>> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >>> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >>> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. > Nothing >>> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please help! >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6491 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6491 (20110924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 02:27:42 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:27:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] dialog saying Skype has stopped working when trying to set up voicemail Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have two quick questions/problems. One, about downloading Skype Talking, I went to the Skype Talking Web site, but can't find the link to download the pluggin. What link do I select? Also, I'm trying to set up a Skype voicemail, so people can leave messages for me when I'm offline. I went to the menu bar and went into the profile submenu. I hit Enter on edit profile, then tabbed through all the options until I found the set up voicemail link, which I het Enter on. I waited about thirty seconds with nothing happening, and then I got this message: "Skype dialog. Skype has stopped working. Windows is trying to find a solution to the problem." Does anybody know what could be causing this and/or how I can set up voicemail without running into this problem? Thanks for any help! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sun Sep 25 02:39:03 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:39:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marsha, First, don't update to Explorer 9 as it's completely inaccessible with JAWS. I am working with I E 8 and JAWS 12, and I haven't ran into this problem. If you go online, try hitting the F5 key to refresh the page. Also try going to another website to see what happens. If this doesn't do anything, just close off the internet and retry. Perhaps even restarting your entire computer may make a difference as well. I'm no tech savvy person, so beyond this, I have no other suggestions. Good luck. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:51:27 -0400 From: "Marsha Drenth" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. Please help! Marsha From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 25 03:07:23 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:07:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joshua: It is an overstatement to say IE8 is obsolete. There is Ie9 but it isn't widely used yet, and Microsoft is still supporting, and updating IE8. In fact, I would say at this point there is better screen reader support for IE8 then IE9 so it makes more sense for most blind people to stick with it. Dave At 10:01 AM 9/24/2011, you wrote: >IE 8, is obselete. >IE 9 just came out. >Get it, and see what happens. >Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold music. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > > I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, > > Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser > > modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it > reads nothing. > > Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I > > originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have > > installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing > > has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. > > > > > > > > Please help! > > > > > > > > Marsha From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 25 03:11:09 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:11:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> <98A74825493F40ECA611CA3131D684C2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Marsha: Having used both I can assure you that Windows 7 is better than Vista. It is somewhat different from XP, but usable. If and when you get a new computer you will have to move from XP. It isn't that bad. I read the NBP book and it helped a lot. Dave At 04:01 PM 9/24/2011, you wrote: >I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as I >possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't >have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much >of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not >upgrading. > >Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose to >work, then why is mine not. > >Marsha > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Ashley Bramlett >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > >IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions >advance, they often do not work work with old software. >Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Humberto Avila >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > >Hi chriss, > >No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows >xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been >hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will >not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and >even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by >windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer >systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp >in 2014? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Chris Nusbaum >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > >Hi Marsha and everyone, > >I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. >Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so >it should be compatible with XP. > >Chris > >On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather > > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated >to > > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to >IE9. > > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out > > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. > > > > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. > > > > Marsha > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >Behalf > > Of Joshua Lester > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > > > IE 8, is obselete. > > IE 9 just came out. > > Get it, and see what happens. > > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. > > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. > > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold > > music. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a > > webpage, > >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other > > curser > >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads > > nothing. > >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I > >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have > >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. >Nothing > >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. > >> > >> > >> > >> Please help! > >> > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > > ccua.edu > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > > m > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >om > > > From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 03:56:34 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 23:56:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233> <98A74825493F40ECA611CA3131D684C2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Marsha, I actually just had a related thought that is worth putting out there. Have you installed any third-party software lately? A few months ago, I installed a program recommended by my on-line banking site that is supposed to improve Internet security (preventing hackers from stealing your passwords, etc.), but after the program was installed I had exactly the same problem as you do: JAWS wasn't reading the text on web pages. I have no idea whether this is at all relevant to you, but I just want to mention that sometimes third-party software can interfere with JAWS in very unpredictable way, so if you installed anything right before JAWS stopped working with IE it may be worth removing the program and see whether it fixes things. Also, I know the tech support at FS isn't the best, but if nothing else comes through for you before Monday, it won't hurt to give them a call. At least there is a chance they will be able to solve the problem for you! Katie On 9/24/11, David Andrews wrote: > Marsha: Having used both I can assure you that Windows 7 is better > than Vista. It is somewhat different from XP, but usable. If and > when you get a new computer you will have to move from XP. It isn't that > bad. > > I read the NBP book and it helped a lot. > > Dave > > At 04:01 PM 9/24/2011, you wrote: >>I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as >> I >>possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't >>have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much >>of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not >>upgrading. >> >>Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose >> to >>work, then why is mine not. >> >>Marsha >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>Of Ashley Bramlett >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >>IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions >>advance, they often do not work work with old software. >>Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Humberto Avila >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >>Hi chriss, >> >>No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows >>xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've >> been >>hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will >>not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and >>even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by >>windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer >>systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows >> xp >>in 2014? >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>Of Chris Nusbaum >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >>Hi Marsha and everyone, >> >>I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. >>Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so >>it should be compatible with XP. >> >>Chris >> >>On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather >> > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already >> > updated >>to >> > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to >>IE9. >> > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes >> > out >> > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. >> > >> > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please >> > share. >> > >> > Marsha >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> > >> > IE 8, is obselete. >> > IE 9 just came out. >> > Get it, and see what happens. >> > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >> > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >> > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold >> > music. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >> > webpage, >> >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >> > curser >> >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >> > nothing. >> >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >> >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >> >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. >>Nothing >> >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> > ccua.edu >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> > m >> > >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> > database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> > database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>om >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 17:26:30 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:26:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Message-ID: <4e7f646b.925d340a.0abc.1feb@mx.google.com> Hi Bridgit, I use IE 9, and it is accessible with JAWS 12. What parts do you find inaccessible? The only annoying part is it's always saying "the notification bar requires your response. Press alt plus n to set focus to the notification bar." If a dialog comes up from a Web page, I have to hit alt n to get it to read it to me. Besides that, IE 9 is accessible, as long as the Web sites you're going to are. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter FYI... this is really cool for anyone taking a Spanish class or learning a foreign language. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: Chris Nusbaum school email From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 25 20:22:42 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:22:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83A21570CED84D648F11545E97CE94AF@OwnerPC> Bridgit, I have IE 9 and jaws 12 and it still works fine. Only annoying thing is that jaws will repeat itself sometimes to tell me to turn off google tool bar or something. I press control to stop it. But otherwise, its okay. IE 8 is still supported for xp systems, but I don't think windows 7 works with IE 8. -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:39 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Marsha, First, don't update to Explorer 9 as it's completely inaccessible with JAWS. I am working with I E 8 and JAWS 12, and I haven't ran into this problem. If you go online, try hitting the F5 key to refresh the page. Also try going to another website to see what happens. If this doesn't do anything, just close off the internet and retry. Perhaps even restarting your entire computer may make a difference as well. I'm no tech savvy person, so beyond this, I have no other suggestions. Good luck. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:51:27 -0400 From: "Marsha Drenth" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. Please help! Marsha _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 20:29:36 2011 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:29:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: <83A21570CED84D648F11545E97CE94AF@OwnerPC> References: <83A21570CED84D648F11545E97CE94AF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <8D7F68EA9F0A41088D72631B16F1C5A5@DougOliverPC> yes is does, Ash I use it on win7 all the time ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > Bridgit, > I have IE 9 and jaws 12 and it still works fine. Only annoying thing is > that jaws will repeat itself sometimes to tell me to turn off google tool > bar or something. I press control to stop it. But otherwise, its okay. IE > 8 is still supported for xp systems, but I don't think windows 7 works > with IE 8. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bridgit Pollpeter > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:39 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > Marsha, > > First, don't update to Explorer 9 as it's completely inaccessible with > JAWS. I am working with I E 8 and JAWS 12, and I haven't ran into this > problem. If you go online, try hitting the F5 key to refresh the page. > Also try going to another website to see what happens. If this doesn't > do anything, just close off the internet and retry. Perhaps even > restarting your entire computer may make a difference as well. I'm no > tech savvy person, so beyond this, I have no other suggestions. Good > luck. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog at: > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." > The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:51:27 -0400 > From: "Marsha Drenth" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a > webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my > other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, > it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before > all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the > issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws > updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. > > > > Please help! > > > > Marsha > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 25 20:34:59 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:34:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: <8D7F68EA9F0A41088D72631B16F1C5A5@DougOliverPC> References: <83A21570CED84D648F11545E97CE94AF@OwnerPC> <8D7F68EA9F0A41088D72631B16F1C5A5@DougOliverPC> Message-ID: <1005DE3D22C84C05BBA1F71D39725FF8@OwnerPC> so you're saying windows 7 will support IE 8? I heard it did not. Glad it does. BTW, IE 9 isn’t really much different than IE 8. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Oliver Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help yes is does, Ash I use it on win7 all the time ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > Bridgit, > I have IE 9 and jaws 12 and it still works fine. Only annoying thing is > that jaws will repeat itself sometimes to tell me to turn off google tool > bar or something. I press control to stop it. But otherwise, its okay. IE > 8 is still supported for xp systems, but I don't think windows 7 works > with IE 8. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bridgit Pollpeter > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:39 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > Marsha, > > First, don't update to Explorer 9 as it's completely inaccessible with > JAWS. I am working with I E 8 and JAWS 12, and I haven't ran into this > problem. If you go online, try hitting the F5 key to refresh the page. > Also try going to another website to see what happens. If this doesn't > do anything, just close off the internet and retry. Perhaps even > restarting your entire computer may make a difference as well. I'm no > tech savvy person, so beyond this, I have no other suggestions. Good > luck. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog at: > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." > The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:51:27 -0400 > From: "Marsha Drenth" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a > webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my > other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, > it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before > all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the > issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws > updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. > > > > Please help! > > > > Marsha > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 21:01:30 2011 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:01:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: <1005DE3D22C84C05BBA1F71D39725FF8@OwnerPC> References: <83A21570CED84D648F11545E97CE94AF@OwnerPC><8D7F68EA9F0A41088D72631B16F1C5A5@DougOliverPC> <1005DE3D22C84C05BBA1F71D39725FF8@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <10D5BC13DA564DA3B4C58364051C7A5D@DougOliverPC> yes mam, I sure am as I use it all the time ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > so you're saying windows 7 will support IE 8? I heard it did not. Glad it > does. > BTW, IE 9 isn’t really much different than IE 8. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Oliver > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > yes is does, Ash I use it on win7 all the time > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > >> Bridgit, >> I have IE 9 and jaws 12 and it still works fine. Only annoying thing is >> that jaws will repeat itself sometimes to tell me to turn off google tool >> bar or something. I press control to stop it. But otherwise, its okay. IE >> 8 is still supported for xp systems, but I don't think windows 7 works >> with IE 8. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bridgit Pollpeter >> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:39 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >> Marsha, >> >> First, don't update to Explorer 9 as it's completely inaccessible with >> JAWS. I am working with I E 8 and JAWS 12, and I haven't ran into this >> problem. If you go online, try hitting the F5 key to refresh the page. >> Also try going to another website to see what happens. If this doesn't >> do anything, just close off the internet and retry. Perhaps even >> restarting your entire computer may make a difference as well. I'm no >> tech savvy person, so beyond this, I have no other suggestions. Good >> luck. >> >> Sincerely, >> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >> Read my blog at: >> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ >> >> "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." >> The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:51:27 -0400 >> From: "Marsha Drenth" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >> webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my >> other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, >> it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before >> all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the >> issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws >> updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sun Sep 25 21:48:49 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:48:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think one of the biggest issues here is the rate at which programs are accelerating. In the last few years, computers and computer systems have changed and grown much quicker than in the past. The technology boom has gone into warp drive, and everyone is trying to catch up. If you're like me, you hate to learn a new way just after learning to adapt to another system or program. And this says nothing about the financial side. I hear similar complaints from both blind and sighted consumers using computers. The average person doesn't view these changes with excitement and joy; all we know is that a change is occurring, and we're going to have to make yet another adjustment. When I recently upgraded to JAWS 12, I was told to not upgrade to I E 9 as it wasn't very compatible. Whether running XP or W 7, I E 9 wouldn't work as well. However, it sounds like those of you running W 7 aren't experiencing this issue. We have four computers at home: one desktop, two laptops and one netbook laptop. The desktop, which is going on six-years-old now, and my netbook, which is two-years-old now, run on XP with JAWS 12. One of the laptops is four or five-years-old now, running on Vista and the other laptop is brand new running on Windows 7. The desktop needs to be replaced, but I wonder if updating to Windows 7 on any of the 3 not currently running it is worth while if Windows 8 is suppose to be releasing soon. Other than the brand new laptop, all the other computers are still using MS Office 2002, which needs to be updated as well. I guess my question is what is compatible with what? I know MS will soon drop support for XP, and most computers purchased now will run W 7 automatically, but is it worth updating anything at this point? I am not computer savvy in any sense of the word. In fact, I've learned how to use a computer better since being blind than I ever did sighted, so all these changes and new devices just make my head swirl. One of the reasons we're still running old programs is because of the cost. Is it worth investing in anything new at this point if it will just change quickly again? And how do we ensure what we upgrade to will in deed be compatible with other existing programs/systems/software especially JAWS? For me, it's a bit overwhelming, and honestly, if I didn't need to rely on computers and technology for so much, I'd say F it to most of this and live like some little, old hermit. LOL Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 25 22:17:17 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:17:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7998DD8F9B5A46DBBE26C929A5C51FEF@OwnerPC> Bridgit, I feel your frustration! You said If you're like me, you hate to learn a new way just after learning to adapt to another system or program. And this says nothing about the financial side. I hear similar complaints from both blind and sighted consumers using computers. " Yes. My father hates the new microsoft ribons in 2007 and we wish they would go back to those menus! I have windows 7 and the latest internet explore and microsoft suite. No IE isn't much of an issue. I just use the same commands I knew from prior jaws releases in IE. I have jaws 12 and since I have a maintenance agreement, I get jaws 13 when it comes out. I liked xp better though. XP was more strictly menus without menu levels called tree views. When you open up a menu, you have to open up the subfolders to display all the content. It’s a split screen and that is frustrating since I cannot see both sides of the screen as a sighted person would. No I say do not upgrade! Wait til windows 8 and upgrade then when you have to, like when your computer crashes. I know what you mean about cost. I use old technology such as my embosser and duxbury because I don't have money to buy new. And I thought we'd have windows7 for a while! Gosh! This system is less than a year old and will be obsolete soon! Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:48 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems I think one of the biggest issues here is the rate at which programs are accelerating. In the last few years, computers and computer systems have changed and grown much quicker than in the past. The technology boom has gone into warp drive, and everyone is trying to catch up. If you're like me, you hate to learn a new way just after learning to adapt to another system or program. And this says nothing about the financial side. I hear similar complaints from both blind and sighted consumers using computers. The average person doesn't view these changes with excitement and joy; all we know is that a change is occurring, and we're going to have to make yet another adjustment. When I recently upgraded to JAWS 12, I was told to not upgrade to I E 9 as it wasn't very compatible. Whether running XP or W 7, I E 9 wouldn't work as well. However, it sounds like those of you running W 7 aren't experiencing this issue. We have four computers at home: one desktop, two laptops and one netbook laptop. The desktop, which is going on six-years-old now, and my netbook, which is two-years-old now, run on XP with JAWS 12. One of the laptops is four or five-years-old now, running on Vista and the other laptop is brand new running on Windows 7. The desktop needs to be replaced, but I wonder if updating to Windows 7 on any of the 3 not currently running it is worth while if Windows 8 is suppose to be releasing soon. Other than the brand new laptop, all the other computers are still using MS Office 2002, which needs to be updated as well. I guess my question is what is compatible with what? I know MS will soon drop support for XP, and most computers purchased now will run W 7 automatically, but is it worth updating anything at this point? I am not computer savvy in any sense of the word. In fact, I've learned how to use a computer better since being blind than I ever did sighted, so all these changes and new devices just make my head swirl. One of the reasons we're still running old programs is because of the cost. Is it worth investing in anything new at this point if it will just change quickly again? And how do we ensure what we upgrade to will in deed be compatible with other existing programs/systems/software especially JAWS? For me, it's a bit overwhelming, and honestly, if I didn't need to rely on computers and technology for so much, I'd say F it to most of this and live like some little, old hermit. LOL Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Sun Sep 25 23:49:02 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:49:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook page Message-ID: <000001cc7bdd$b80eac60$282c0520$@comcast.net> Hello all, I hope that you are all doing well this fine Sunday. I just wanted to update you all on some news in regards to audioaccessfm. If you all are on twitter please feel free to follow us on twitter by following "audioaccessfm" to keep up with us all of the upcoming news and events that station has to offer. We also now have a fan page on facebook so, any of you are on facebook just go to our fan page at facebookk.com/audioaccessfm And, check us also out for all of the news and events on what's going on with the station! The page is growing so please show us some love there! Well, that's all for now take care all and, have a good week! Hugs, >From amy From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 00:33:52 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:33:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook page In-Reply-To: <000001cc7bdd$b80eac60$282c0520$@comcast.net> References: <000001cc7bdd$b80eac60$282c0520$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Amy, I liked it this afternoon! I've also posted on the station's wall. Chris On 9/25/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello all, > > I hope that you are all doing well this fine Sunday. I just > wanted to update you all on some news in regards to > audioaccessfm. If you all are on twitter please feel free to > follow us on twitter by following "audioaccessfm" to keep up with > us all of the upcoming news and events that station has to offer. > > We also now have a fan page on facebook so, any of you are on > facebook just go to our fan page at facebookk.com/audioaccessfm > > And, check us also out for all of the news and events on what's > going on with the station! The page is growing so please show us > some love there! > > Well, that's all for now take care all and, have a good week! > > > > Hugs, > From amy > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 01:51:30 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:51:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233><98A74825493F40ECA611CA3131D684C2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <28FD347F49C846959C381759353C1E76@Cptr233> David, I will use XP, until I am absolutely forced to move up. When I am at school I am forced to use 7. I have no clue what they were thinking when they took away the menu thing. I will never get this new fangled technology LOL Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Marsha: Having used both I can assure you that Windows 7 is better than Vista. It is somewhat different from XP, but usable. If and when you get a new computer you will have to move from XP. It isn't that bad. I read the NBP book and it helped a lot. Dave At 04:01 PM 9/24/2011, you wrote: >I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as I >possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't >have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much >of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not >upgrading. > >Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose to >work, then why is mine not. > >Marsha > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Ashley Bramlett >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > >IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions >advance, they often do not work work with old software. >Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Humberto Avila >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > >Hi chriss, > >No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows >xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been >hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will >not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and >even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by >windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer >systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp >in 2014? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Chris Nusbaum >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > >Hi Marsha and everyone, > >I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. >Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so >it should be compatible with XP. > >Chris > >On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather > > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated >to > > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to >IE9. > > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out > > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. > > > > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. > > > > Marsha > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >Behalf > > Of Joshua Lester > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help > > > > IE 8, is obselete. > > IE 9 just came out. > > Get it, and see what happens. > > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. > > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. > > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold > > music. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a > > webpage, > >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other > > curser > >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads > > nothing. > >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I > >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have > >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. >Nothing > >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. > >> > >> > >> > >> Please help! > >> > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students. p > > ccua.edu > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.c o > > m > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > > database 6490 (20110924) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail. c >om > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6492 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 01:52:39 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:52:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: References: <8A72086ACFFE49E4A9576BF29DCC5785@Cptr233><98A74825493F40ECA611CA3131D684C2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I did update my jaws, and update my IE. But I was having this problem before I updated both. Thanks for the suggestions! Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi Marsha, I actually just had a related thought that is worth putting out there. Have you installed any third-party software lately? A few months ago, I installed a program recommended by my on-line banking site that is supposed to improve Internet security (preventing hackers from stealing your passwords, etc.), but after the program was installed I had exactly the same problem as you do: JAWS wasn't reading the text on web pages. I have no idea whether this is at all relevant to you, but I just want to mention that sometimes third-party software can interfere with JAWS in very unpredictable way, so if you installed anything right before JAWS stopped working with IE it may be worth removing the program and see whether it fixes things. Also, I know the tech support at FS isn't the best, but if nothing else comes through for you before Monday, it won't hurt to give them a call. At least there is a chance they will be able to solve the problem for you! Katie On 9/24/11, David Andrews wrote: > Marsha: Having used both I can assure you that Windows 7 is better > than Vista. It is somewhat different from XP, but usable. If and > when you get a new computer you will have to move from XP. It isn't that > bad. > > I read the NBP book and it helped a lot. > > Dave > > At 04:01 PM 9/24/2011, you wrote: >>I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as >> I >>possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't >>have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much >>of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not >>upgrading. >> >>Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose >> to >>work, then why is mine not. >> >>Marsha >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>Of Ashley Bramlett >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >>IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions >>advance, they often do not work work with old software. >>Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Humberto Avila >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >>Hi chriss, >> >>No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows >>xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've >> been >>hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will >>not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and >>even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by >>windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer >>systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows >> xp >>in 2014? >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>Of Chris Nusbaum >>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> >>Hi Marsha and everyone, >> >>I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. >>Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so >>it should be compatible with XP. >> >>Chris >> >>On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather >> > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already >> > updated >>to >> > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to >>IE9. >> > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes >> > out >> > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. >> > >> > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please >> > share. >> > >> > Marsha >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >> > >> > IE 8, is obselete. >> > IE 9 just came out. >> > Get it, and see what happens. >> > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >> > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >> > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold >> > music. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >> > webpage, >> >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >> > curser >> >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >> > nothing. >> >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >> >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >> >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. >>Nothing >> >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please help! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students .p >> > ccua.edu >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail. co >> > m >> > >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> > database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> > database 6490 (20110924) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail .c >>om >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6492 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 02:22:02 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:22:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <296A1BC9FC89457387EBECE5B49B77B9@Cptr233> Bridgit, Honestly, I do not think anyone can be an "expert: in any specific technology. Things are moving too fast to keep up. I am by no means a spring chicken, and either I am too old, out of the loop, or something, because I can't keep up. I have stopped trying to keep up. In say the 90's you could be good at many different technology aspects, but not now. I use every laptop or computer until I no longer possibly can not use it any longer. The last laptop I had, the screen broke off, then it started acting weird. I have had this one for 3 years and will use it until it dies. I don't get some of this fangled stuff. Now with that said I do have an iphone, and could not live without my iphone, but I probably don't use it the same as someone who is say in their teens does. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:49 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems I think one of the biggest issues here is the rate at which programs are accelerating. In the last few years, computers and computer systems have changed and grown much quicker than in the past. The technology boom has gone into warp drive, and everyone is trying to catch up. If you're like me, you hate to learn a new way just after learning to adapt to another system or program. And this says nothing about the financial side. I hear similar complaints from both blind and sighted consumers using computers. The average person doesn't view these changes with excitement and joy; all we know is that a change is occurring, and we're going to have to make yet another adjustment. When I recently upgraded to JAWS 12, I was told to not upgrade to I E 9 as it wasn't very compatible. Whether running XP or W 7, I E 9 wouldn't work as well. However, it sounds like those of you running W 7 aren't experiencing this issue. We have four computers at home: one desktop, two laptops and one netbook laptop. The desktop, which is going on six-years-old now, and my netbook, which is two-years-old now, run on XP with JAWS 12. One of the laptops is four or five-years-old now, running on Vista and the other laptop is brand new running on Windows 7. The desktop needs to be replaced, but I wonder if updating to Windows 7 on any of the 3 not currently running it is worth while if Windows 8 is suppose to be releasing soon. Other than the brand new laptop, all the other computers are still using MS Office 2002, which needs to be updated as well. I guess my question is what is compatible with what? I know MS will soon drop support for XP, and most computers purchased now will run W 7 automatically, but is it worth updating anything at this point? I am not computer savvy in any sense of the word. In fact, I've learned how to use a computer better since being blind than I ever did sighted, so all these changes and new devices just make my head swirl. One of the reasons we're still running old programs is because of the cost. Is it worth investing in anything new at this point if it will just change quickly again? And how do we ensure what we upgrade to will in deed be compatible with other existing programs/systems/software especially JAWS? For me, it's a bit overwhelming, and honestly, if I didn't need to rely on computers and technology for so much, I'd say F it to most of this and live like some little, old hermit. LOL Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Mon Sep 26 13:49:05 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:49:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marsha, Is JFW working on other programs such as your word processor and Windows menus? If it is, there is a pretty good chance that the problem is with Internet Explorer. You said you updated Internet explorer recently to version 8. Are you certain that you got version 8 as version 9 is the current version and there are some issues with screen readers. If you have version 8, you should try to run it with "no add-ins." If you are running Windows XP, you will find this version of Internet Explorer in "System Tools" in the Accessories menu within Programs on the Start Menu. In Windows 7, you should be able to type "internet explorer" into the search box on the start menu and one of the options returned should be the "(no add-ins)" version. If that version of Internet Explorer works, then you have an add-in that is causing the problem such as a toolbar or something. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:52:39 -0400, Marsha Drenth wrote: >I did update my jaws, and update my IE. But I was having this problem before >I updated both. Thanks for the suggestions! >Marsha >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Katie Wang >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:57 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >Hi Marsha, > I actually just had a related thought that is worth putting out >there. Have you installed any third-party software lately? A few >months ago, I installed a program recommended by my on-line banking >site that is supposed to improve Internet security (preventing hackers >from stealing your passwords, etc.), but after the program was >installed I had exactly the same problem as you do: JAWS wasn't >reading the text on web pages. I have no idea whether this is at all >relevant to you, but I just want to mention that sometimes third-party >software can interfere with JAWS in very unpredictable way, so if you >installed anything right before JAWS stopped working with IE it may be >worth removing the program and see whether it fixes things. >Also, I know the tech support at FS isn't the best, but if nothing >else comes through for you before Monday, it won't hurt to give them a >call. At least there is a chance they will be able to solve the >problem for you! > Katie >On 9/24/11, David Andrews wrote: >> Marsha: Having used both I can assure you that Windows 7 is better >> than Vista. It is somewhat different from XP, but usable. If and >> when you get a new computer you will have to move from XP. It isn't that >> bad. >> >> I read the NBP book and it helped a lot. >> >> Dave >> >> At 04:01 PM 9/24/2011, you wrote: >>>I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as >>> I >>>possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't >>>have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much >>>of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not >>>upgrading. >>> >>>Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose >>> to >>>work, then why is mine not. >>> >>>Marsha >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>>Of Ashley Bramlett >>>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >>> >>>IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions >>>advance, they often do not work work with old software. >>>Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Humberto Avila >>>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >>> >>>Hi chriss, >>> >>>No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with >windows >>>xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've >>> been >>>hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will >>>not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 >and >>>even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported >by >>>windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer >>>systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows >>> xp >>>in 2014? >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>>Of Chris Nusbaum >>>Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >>> >>>Hi Marsha and everyone, >>> >>>I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. >>>Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so >>>it should be compatible with XP. >>> >>>Chris >>> >>>On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> > Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather >>> > figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already >>> > updated >>>to >>> > IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to >>>IE9. >>> > I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes >>> > out >>> > doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. >>> > >>> > So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please >>> > share. >>> > >>> > Marsha >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>Behalf >>> > Of Joshua Lester >>> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help >>> > >>> > IE 8, is obselete. >>> > IE 9 just came out. >>> > Get it, and see what happens. >>> > Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. >>> > If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. >>> > I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold >>> > music. >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> >> I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a >>> > webpage, >>> >> Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other >>> > curser >>> >> modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads >>> > nothing. >>> >> Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I >>> >> originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have >>> >> installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. >>>Nothing >>> >> has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Please help! >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Marsha >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >>> > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students >.p >>> > ccua.edu >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail. >co >>> > m >>> > >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>signature >>> > database 6490 (20110924) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>signature >>> > database 6490 (20110924) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail >.c >>>om >>> > >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >m > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 6491 (20110924) __________ >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >http://www.eset.com > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 6492 (20110925) __________ >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >http://www.eset.com > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 6493 (20110925) __________ >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >http://www.eset.com > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 6493 (20110925) __________ >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >http://www.eset.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 20:01:47 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:01:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems Message-ID: <4e80da53.c9c3e00a.7d5c.6fb4@mx.google.com> Hi Bridgit, Me too! Sometimes, although my tech-savvy friends try to persuade me to upgrade something, I won't because the old version works very well for me and I don't want to start back at square 1. I think, however, that it's a good idea to upgrade Windows versions if possible only because as operating systems get better, you may be left bh in the functions of your computer. Now it isn't that much of a difference between XP and 7, skipping Vista of course (that was just a confusing system anyway,) but Windows 7 does have some features that make it a little better. But the choice, of course, is up to you. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Hi all, What do you all mean by the "menu thing?" Windows 7 has a menu bar like the old XP one, with file, edit, view, and other things. All you have to do is hit alt and it will take you to the menu bar of the program you are in. The only thing I don't like about menus in Windows 7 vs XP is Windows 7 replaced combo boxes with tree-views in a lot of areas, and I find combo boxes to be much easier than tree-views because they involve a lot less keystrokes, but they're managable. If you're talking about the ribbons, I haven't had much experience with it, but it sounds like I'll need the ribbons to work Outlook, so I guess I'll have to learn. But from the few experiences I've had with the virtual ribbons, it's kind of like a comtext menu. You just down arrow after you go up to the ribbon, find what you want, and hit enter. Sometimes you need to go in the system tray to find things, and the difference in that is you navigate the system tray's buttons by right-arrowing instead of down-arrowing like you would in a menu. But 7 isn't very bad, although they have changed some things, all of which are accessible to JAWS. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth" wrote: Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8, is obselete. IE 9 just came out. Get it, and see what happens. Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold music. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. Please help! Marsha _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students. p ccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail.c o m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail. c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6492 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 20:01:52 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:01:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems Message-ID: <4e80da57.c9c3e00a.7d5c.6fb7@mx.google.com> Hi=20Ashley, The=20hardest=20part=20for=20me=20with=20operating=20systems=20is=20at=20sc= hool,=20I=20 have=20to=20use=20XP,=20because=20my=20school=20system=20hasn't=20"approved= "=20 Windows=207=20yet.=20=20I=20don't=20know=20if=20they=20ever=20will.=20=20If= =20they=20do,=20 probably=20Windows=208=20will=20be=20coming=20out=20soon=20after=20they=20a= pprove=207,=20 so=20it'll=20be=20useless. =20Chris=20Nusbaum "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance."=20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President=20of=20the=20National=20 Federation=20of=20the=20Blind,=201968-1986.) =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 References: <4e80da5c.c9c3e00a.7d5c.6fbc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00AB6384F41146A18F6D8F53919634D9@OwnerPC> Instead of menus there is more ribbons, buttons, and yes tree views. So you have to keep opening the tree view to see all your options and with a regular list view you simply arrow down. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi all, What do you all mean by the "menu thing?" Windows 7 has a menu bar like the old XP one, with file, edit, view, and other things. All you have to do is hit alt and it will take you to the menu bar of the program you are in. The only thing I don't like about menus in Windows 7 vs XP is Windows 7 replaced combo boxes with tree-views in a lot of areas, and I find combo boxes to be much easier than tree-views because they involve a lot less keystrokes, but they're managable. If you're talking about the ribbons, I haven't had much experience with it, but it sounds like I'll need the ribbons to work Outlook, so I guess I'll have to learn. But from the few experiences I've had with the virtual ribbons, it's kind of like a comtext menu. You just down arrow after you go up to the ribbon, find what you want, and hit enter. Sometimes you need to go in the system tray to find things, and the difference in that is you navigate the system tray's buttons by right-arrowing instead of down-arrowing like you would in a menu. But 7 isn't very bad, although they have changed some things, all of which are accessible to JAWS. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Drenth" wrote: Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8, is obselete. IE 9 just came out. Get it, and see what happens. Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold music. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. Please help! Marsha _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students. p ccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail.c o m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail. c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6492 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Mon Sep 26 21:02:22 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] kendel from Amazon.com accessibility Message-ID: <1317070942.86238.YahooMailClassic@web162010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Anmol Bhatia wrote: Hello, I recently perchased a kendel from Amazon.com and have discovered that it is not accessible to me as a blind person. Have anybody experienced simillar problem? I am wanting to return the product because it is not accessible and I want my full refund including shipping cost. Can I ask for full refund including shipping cost based on the arguement that the product is not accessible for a blind person? thanks Anmol From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Mon Sep 26 22:15:56 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:15:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marsha, Oh, I understand what you mean. Technology is changing so quickly it keeps my head spinning. Which, talking about it, what are tablets? Anyone? I tend to use computers and software and whatever else as long as I can too. Honestly, even when employed full-time, who wants to keep purchasing and upgrading? That's the biggest concern. Putting hundreds, even thousands, of dollars into this stuff over and over because it keeps changing, well that just stresses me out. I'd much rather spend hundreds of dollars maintaining my wardrobe. I will have my Vera Wang shoes someday! LOL Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 13 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:22:02 -0400 From: "Marsha Drenth" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems Message-ID: <296A1BC9FC89457387EBECE5B49B77B9 at Cptr233> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bridgit, Honestly, I do not think anyone can be an "expert: in any specific technology. Things are moving too fast to keep up. I am by no means a spring chicken, and either I am too old, out of the loop, or something, because I can't keep up. I have stopped trying to keep up. In say the 90's you could be good at many different technology aspects, but not now. I use every laptop or computer until I no longer possibly can not use it any longer. The last laptop I had, the screen broke off, then it started acting weird. I have had this one for 3 years and will use it until it dies. I don't get some of this fangled stuff. Now with that said I do have an iphone, and could not live without my iphone, but I probably don't use it the same as someone who is say in their teens does. Marsha From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Mon Sep 26 22:18:35 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:18:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I upgraded JAWS to 12, I was told to not upgrade I. E. to 9 because it was not accessible with JAWS. Apparently this is incorrect info. Thanks. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:26:30 -0400 From: Chris Nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Message-ID: <4e7f646b.925d340a.0abc.1feb at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Bridgit, I use IE 9, and it is accessible with JAWS 12. What parts do you find inaccessible? The only annoying part is it's always saying "the notification bar requires your response. Press alt plus n to set focus to the notification bar." If a dialog comes up from a Web page, I have to hit alt n to get it to read it to me. Besides that, IE 9 is accessible, as long as the Web sites you're going to are. Chris From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 00:17:16 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:17:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Message-ID: <4e811634.64b1340a.6175.ffffcce2@mx.google.com> Steve, I don't think IE 9 is supported by XP, though. She has XP, meaning that probably the latest version that she can get on her operating system is version 8. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Marsha: Having used both I can assure you that Windows 7 is better than Vista. It is somewhat different from XP, but usable. If and when you get a new computer you will have to move from XP. It isn't that bad. I read the NBP book and it helped a lot. Dave At 04:01 PM 9/24/2011, you wrote: I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as I possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not upgrading. Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose to work, then why is mine not. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions advance, they often do not work work with old software. Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi chriss, No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp in 2014? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi Marsha and everyone, I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so it should be compatible with XP. Chris On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8, is obselete. IE 9 just came out. Get it, and see what happens. Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold music. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. Please help! Marsha _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students .p ccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail. co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail .c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6492 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso n%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 00:41:08 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:41:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help In-Reply-To: <4e811634.64b1340a.6175.ffffcce2@mx.google.com> References: <4e811634.64b1340a.6175.ffffcce2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <97A36874B6394A22954A53C3C4AB7329@Cptr233> Steve, Yes I did upgrade to IE 8. When I had 7 still, I removed all the add-ons. Some how I had an google tool bar and a ask.com bar. Not sure how I got both of those things, but I had them, removed them both and all of the other add ons. Yes all of my other programs are working. I was told you could repair both Jaws and IE. Do you know whow I would go about doing that? Marsha Marsha, Is JFW working on other programs such as your word processor and Windows menus? If it is, there is a pretty good chance that the problem is with Internet Explorer. You said you updated Internet explorer recently to version 8. Are you certain that you got version 8 as version 9 is the current version and there are some issues with screen readers. If you have version 8, you should try to run it with "no add-ins." If you are running Windows XP, you will find this version of Internet Explorer in "System Tools" in the Accessories menu within Programs on the Start Menu. In Windows 7, you should be able to type "internet explorer" into the search box on the start menu and one of the options returned should be the "(no add-ins)" version. If that version of Internet Explorer works, then you have an add-in that is causing the problem such as a toolbar or something. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:52:39 -0400, Marsha Drenth wrote: I did update my jaws, and update my IE. But I was having this problem before I updated both. Thanks for the suggestions! Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi Marsha, I actually just had a related thought that is worth putting out there. Have you installed any third-party software lately? A few months ago, I installed a program recommended by my on-line banking site that is supposed to improve Internet security (preventing hackers from stealing your passwords, etc.), but after the program was installed I had exactly the same problem as you do: JAWS wasn't reading the text on web pages. I have no idea whether this is at all relevant to you, but I just want to mention that sometimes third-party software can interfere with JAWS in very unpredictable way, so if you installed anything right before JAWS stopped working with IE it may be worth removing the program and see whether it fixes things. Also, I know the tech support at FS isn't the best, but if nothing else comes through for you before Monday, it won't hurt to give them a call. At least there is a chance they will be able to solve the problem for you! Katie On 9/24/11, David Andrews wrote: Marsha: Having used both I can assure you that Windows 7 is better than Vista. It is somewhat different from XP, but usable. If and when you get a new computer you will have to move from XP. It isn't that bad. I read the NBP book and it helped a lot. Dave At 04:01 PM 9/24/2011, you wrote: I absolutely refuse to go to windows 7. I will stay with XP for as long as I possibily can. Yes you can say I am an old timer in that regard. I don't have much confidence in Microsoft. For example look at Vista, and how much of a screw up that was. What is to say that 7 is any better. Nope, not upgrading. Okay I have digressed, back to the original question. So if it is suppose to work, then why is mine not. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8 should work with XP so Marsha shouldn't have a problem. As versions advance, they often do not work work with old software. Guess everyone needs to get rid of xp and go to windows 7. -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:23 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi chriss, No. sadly, Microsoft did not make internet explorer 9 to work with windows xp, and it is not supported for that operating system. Just like you've been hearing about all those trends now that certain programs or functions will not work with XP just because XP is not as new and updated as windows 7 and even windows vista. E.G. windows media player 12.0 is also not supported by windows xp, and some other new applications designed to work with newer systems. Did you even hear that Microsoft is dropping support for windows xp in 2014? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:08 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help Hi Marsha and everyone, I have IE 9 on Windows 7, but does it work on XP? I'm not sure. Humberto, it sounds like version 8 was working for her before now, so it should be compatible with XP. Chris On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: Just because I am using IE 8 doesn't mean it can't work. I would rather figure out why its not working as is, as it was before. I already updated to IE 8, and that did not work. So what is going to do for me to update to IE9. I would like it to work with what I have, just because an update comes out doesn't mean it's the latest and greatest thing. So if you have any suggestions to why it is now not working, please share. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS question, please help IE 8, is obselete. IE 9 just came out. Get it, and see what happens. Also, Jaws 13 should be out, if I'm not mistaken. If that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll contact Freedom Scientific. I'll E-mail them, so I don't have to deal with that unprofessional hold music. Blessings, Joshua On 9/24/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: I am using JAWS 12. And I have Internet Explorer 8. when I go to a webpage, Jaws does not read the page. I know its there, as I can use my other curser modes, and it will read the page. But when in the PC mode, it reads nothing. Seems that this just happened a few days ago, before all was fine. I originally had IE 7, so updated thinking that was the issue. I have installed all the windows updates, including all the jaws updates. Nothing has seemed to work. This is very baffling to me. Please help! Marsha _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students .p ccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail. co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6490 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail .c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6491 (20110924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6492 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6493 (20110925) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso n%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6496 (20110926) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6496 (20110926) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dandrews at visi.com Tue Sep 27 04:21:42 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:21:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: An Immersion into Window-Eyes 7.5 is now Available for Purchase Message-ID: > >I'm pleased to announce the release of a new textbook. An Immersion into >Window-Eyes 7.5 takes you through the ins and outs of this powerful screen >reader including configurations, reading, dictionaries, user windows, cursor >keys and much more. > > > >For more information, to review the table of contents and to purchase the >textbook, please visit: > > > >http://www.blindtraining.com/shop/Window-Eyes75.htm > > > >-- > > > >Access Technology Institute > >cathy at blindtraining.com > >www.blindtraining.com > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Tue Sep 27 04:45:01 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 00:45:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [DREAM:208] Chronicle of Higher Education article on Disability & Diversity In-Reply-To: <4E815163.5050903@ist.psu.edu> References: <4E815163.5050903@ist.psu.edu> Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I thought you might find this article interesting, I certainly did. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Scott Michael Robertson Date: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:30 AM Subject: [DREAM:208] Chronicle of Higher Education article on Disability & Diversity To: "Disability Rights, Education, Activism and Mentoring (DREAM)" < psdisabilities at googlegroups.com> Hi All, I came across this article published in /The Chronicle of Higher Education/ via another email list. It exams the lack of representation of disability in diversity discussions on college campuses. The author has an affiliation with the disability and human development department at the University of Illinois-Chicago. -Scott The Chronicle of Higher Education Diversity in Academe Why Is Disability Missing From the Discourse on Diversity? By Lennard J. Davis It has been more than 20 years since the Americans With Disabilities Act took effect, but while the law has changed some things in higher education, it hasn't changed the way academic culture regards people with disabilities. While our current interest in diversity is laudable, colleges rarely think of disability when they tout diversity. College brochures and Web sites depict people of various races and ethnicities, but how often do they include, say, blind people or those with Parkinson's disease? Or a deaf couple talking to each other in a library, or a group of wheelchair users gathered in the quad? When disability does appear, it is generally cloistered on the pages devoted to accommodations and services. It's not that disability is simply excluded from visual and narrative representations of diversity in college materials; it is rarely even integrated into courses devoted to diversity. Anthologies in all fields now include theoretical perspectives devoted to race, gender, and sometimes social class, but disability is almost never included. Indeed, in my field, literary theory and cultural studies, The Norton Anthology of Theory & Criticism had only one essay on disability in its thousands of pages, and that was removed in the second edition. (Full disclosure: I wrote the essay.) I recently gave a talk about disability and diversity at a major university, and a scholar of African-American history seemed nonplused that I would consider disability as on a par with the oppression of people of color. Indeed, one famous disability-studies scholar who taught at a historically black college was denied tenure (subsequently reversed) for having made the analogy between race and disability. I would argue that disability isn't just missing from a diversity consciousness, but that disability is antithetical to diversity as it now stands. It seems clear, as the literary theorist (and my colleague) Walter Benn Michaels points out in his book The Trouble With Diversity: How We Learned to Love Identity and Ignore Inequality (Metropolitan Books, 2006), that diversity nicely suits neoliberal capitalism. Michaels argues that the idea of diversity functions to conceal financial inequality. I would add that diversity also represses difference that isn't included under the better-known categories of race, ethnicity, and gender. In other words, diversity can exist only as long as we discount physical, cognitive, and affective impairments. (The Americans With Disabilities Act defines disability as "a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities.") These need to be repressed because they are a collective memento mori of human frailty; but more than that, they are narcissistic wounds to the neoliberal belief in the free and autonomous subject. The post-Enlightenment citizen's main characteristic is individuality and the ability to craft one's destiny and choose one's fate. But disability seems a lot less like choice and a whole lot more like fate and powerlessness. Colleges are not exempt from this way of thinking. Courses on diversity are intended to celebrate and empower underrepresented identities. But disability seems harder for people without disabilities to celebrate and see as empowering. The idea presented by diversity is that any identity is one we all could imagine having, and that all identities are worthy of choosing. But the single identity one cannot (and, given the ethos of celebrating diversity, should not) choose is to be disabled. No one should make the choice that his or her partner be disabled, or that their child be born with a disability. So how could disability legitimately be part of the diversity paradigm, since it speaks so bluntly against the idea of choice and seems so obviously to be about helplessness and powerlessness? If diversity celebrates empowerment, disability seems to be the poster student for disempowerment. The rather limited underlying concept behind the idea of diversity in the university is laid out in the philosophy: "We are all different—therefore we are all the same." But if difference is being equated with sameness, then how can being different mean anything? That contradiction is resolved by finding some "other" to repress (an other whose existence is barely acknowledged). That other is disability. What diversity is really saying, if we read between the lines, is, "We are different and yet all the same precisely because there is a deeper difference that we, the diverse, are not." That peculiar sameness of difference in diversity has as its binary opposite the abject, the abnormal, and the extremely marginal—and that binary opposition gives a problematic meaning to the general concept of diverse sameness. One of those deeper differences might be thought of as medical difference. Medicine defines a norm of human existence, while diversity superficially seems to reject norms. There is no "normal" human being anymore, as there was in the period of eugenics. Diversity seems to say that there is no race, gender, or ethnicity that defines the norm, as, for example, the white, European male used to. Indeed, that is a tenet of diversity studies. But in the realm of medicine, the norm still holds powerful sway. No one wants to celebrate abnormality in the medical sense—no one is calling for valuing high blood pressure or low blood sugar. There is no attempt to celebrate birth defects or cancer (although we celebrate those fighting cancer). The word that people most want to hear from the obstetrician is that the child is "normal." If diversity rejects the idea of a normal ethnicity, it has no problem with the notion of the normal in a medical sense, which means, of course, it has no problem with branding some bodies and minds normal and some abnormal. As long as disability is seen in this medical sense, it will therefore be considered abnormal and outside the healthy, energetic bodies routinely depicted in celebrations of diversity. And let us remember that students of color are referred to as African-Americans, Asian- Americans, and so on, but on the medical side of campus, students with disabilities may often be referred to as ... patients. For a long time, in disability studies, there has been a cherished belief that if we work long and hard enough in the academic arena, we will end up convincing other identities that disability is a real identity, on a par with the more recognized ones. That position still remains a hope, but I am beginning to think that this opening up of the inner sanctum of diversity to admit the abject may well never happen—not because scholars or administrators are mean or ignorant, but because diversity as an ideological paradigm and a course of study is structurally related to the goals of neoliberalism. As such, diversity must never be allowed to undermine the basic tenets of free choice and the screen of empowerment that conceals the lack of choice and the powerlessness of most people. Why should professors and students who want to cherish and celebrate diversity be forced to realize that in so doing, they are excluding from their consciousness the nearly 20 percent of people in the nation who have a disability? Although higher education has improved in providing accommodations and services to students with disabilities since the Americans With Disability Act, it has lagged very far behind in recognizing and incorporating disability across the curriculum. The question remains: Is this simply neglect, or is there something inherent in the way diversity is considered that makes it impossible to recognize disability as a valid human identity? Lennard J. Davis is a professor in the departments of disability and human development, medical education, and English at the University of Illinois at Chicago. From tamwill009 at comcast.net Tue Sep 27 04:48:43 2011 From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:48:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone In-Reply-To: <4e7b9a47.a56c340a.3aa4.ffff9dbb@mx.google.com> References: <4e7b9a47.a56c340a.3aa4.ffff9dbb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6928DE3BBF8E463493C734047089E2FE@TamikaPC> Hello Chris, Yes I am a NFB member, but this question was posted on behalf of a friend. Thanks for that info, I am sure that is something that he did not know. Tamika Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone > Hi Tamika, > > Sorry I can't tell you what phones are accessible with T Mobile, as I'm a > Verizon user. However, if you're an NFB member (which I assume you are,) > there's an NFB-MEMBER discount at T Mobile. Because of this, it would > only make sense to have an accessible phone if they have an NFB discount. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tamika Williams" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:57:00 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone > > Hello, > > I am so so sorry, because I know this question has been ask a dozen times > before, but at the time I had no need to really absorb this info. My > question is what phone does T-Mobile have available that is acessable to > totally blind users? If they do not have a totally acessable phone, please > tell me about any with limited acessability and tell me what exactly is > acessable. Thanks in advance for all feedback. > > Tamika Williams > E-mail 1: tamwill009 at comcast.net > E-mail 2: tnw602 at jaguar1.usouthal.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net From aec732 at msn.com Tue Sep 27 18:55:55 2011 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:55:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] for Justin re: FS Reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Justin, Learning Ally has excellent tech support in the person of Kristen Witucki. She will be happy to help you with the FS Reader and Learning Ally books. You can call her at 1-800-221-4792 and select the Technical Support option. Also email her at: kwitucki at learningally.porg Please let us know your situation was resolved. Many thanks, Annemarie Cooke Learning Ally Consultant From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 19:06:11 2011 From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:06:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Community Service membership call this Sunday, October 2 Message-ID: Hello, everyone! The Community Service group will be having our October membership call this Sunday, October 2. We will be discussing Meet the Blind Month. (MTBM) Below is the contact information for this call: When: Sunday October 2 at 5 pm PT Where: (218) 339-3600 Passcode: 808277 Hope to see you there! Thanks! Julie S. From jsorozco at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 19:36:08 2011 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:36:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado VisionWalk - Oct. 1st at City Park In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I'm not sure how I got on your guys' mailing list, but since I'm here, let me know if my company can assist in raising funds for these and other events. I like what you do, and while I'm currently not in the economic position to do pro bono work, I would give you guys a steep discount. I'm at: www.alphacommstrategies.com/services Thanks, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: Richard Faubion [mailto:rfaubion at blindness.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:27 PM To: Karen McClurg; 'Chris Nusbaum'; 'Amy Sabo' Cc: 'audioaccessfm'; 'ALLISON HILLIKER'; 'Amy Baron'; 'Andrew Edgcumbe'; 'Antonio M. Guimaraes'; 'ARIELLE SILVERMAN'; 'CHARLIE Bartholomew'; 'Charlotte Czarnecki'; 'CHASITY JACKSON'; 'CHRIS BELL'; 'CHRISTINE LINCOLN'; 'CHRISTY HACKET'; 'CLAUDIA FAUBION'; 'CLAUDIA PARKER'; 'COLORADO ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'; 'Danielle Paullin'; 'E-mail:'; 'DAVID PAULLIN'; 'dennis hummland'; 'DONNA HILL'; 'doug oliver'; 'Eric Kosten'; 'ERIK GOSLITT'; 'ERIN RICHARDSON'; 'JACOB STREUSMA'; 'JANETT TRIPLETT'; 'JENNIFER KENNEDY'; 'JERIMIAH BEASLEY'; 'JOE OROZCO'; 'JOE TRIPLETT'; 'JOHN MATTE'; 'JOY RAVENAL'; 'JUDI SABO'; 'KRISTINA CONSTANT'; 'LINDA RICKARD'; 'liz bottoner'; 'LMBBS GROUP'; 'Lorinda Riddle'; 'Lynda Sabo'; 'mary morris'; 'Maryann Migliorelli'; 'E-mail:'; 'maurice mines'; 'MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'; 'mike sabo'; 'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'; 'NFB OF COLORADO'; 'NFB OF MICHIGAN'; 'patti bellisle'; 'PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION'; 'RACHEL BECKER'; 'E-mail:'; 'REGAN LYNCH'; 'RICHARD LEWIS'; 'RICHELLE PENNOCK'; 'SCOTT LABARREE'; 'STEVE PATTON'; 'TIFFANY COOK'; 'tony landa'; 'tonya hughes'; 'WAYNE MERRITT'; 'william oulette'; 'YOLANDA GARCIA' Subject: RE: Colorado VisionWalk - Oct. 1st at City Park Yes, I asked Julie Deden to make it a "white cane day" celebration at our VisionWalk. So all of you will be there prior to the 10 AM start? If not, come one come all to this FREE event and let's celebrate finding cures and treatments for blinding eye diseases! Best, Richard Richard B. Faubion Director of Development, Southwest Region Foundation Fighting Blindness 1663 Steele Street, Suite 607, Denver, CO 80206 Phone: (720) 207-8362; website: www.FightBlindness.org Colorado VisionWalk - Saturday, October 1, 2011, City Park ________________________________________ From: Karen McClurg [kmcclurg at anchorcenter.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:59 AM To: Richard Faubion; 'Chris Nusbaum'; 'Amy Sabo' Cc: 'audioaccessfm'; 'ALLISON HILLIKER'; 'Amy Baron'; 'Andrew Edgcumbe'; 'Antonio M. Guimaraes'; 'ARIELLE SILVERMAN'; 'CHARLIE Bartholomew'; 'Charlotte Czarnecki'; 'CHASITY JACKSON'; 'CHRIS BELL'; 'CHRISTINE LINCOLN'; 'CHRISTY HACKET'; 'CLAUDIA FAUBION'; 'CLAUDIA PARKER'; 'COLORADO ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'; 'Danielle Paullin'; 'E-mail:'; 'DAVID PAULLIN'; 'dennis hummland'; 'DONNA HILL'; 'doug oliver'; 'Eric Kosten'; 'ERIK GOSLITT'; 'ERIN RICHARDSON'; 'JACOB STREUSMA'; 'JANETT TRIPLETT'; 'JENNIFER KENNEDY'; 'JERIMIAH BEASLEY'; 'JOE OROZCO'; 'JOE TRIPLETT'; 'JOHN MATTE'; 'JOY RAVENAL'; 'JUDI SABO'; 'KRISTINA CONSTANT'; 'LINDA RICKARD'; 'liz bottoner'; 'LMBBS GROUP'; 'Lorinda Riddle'; 'Lynda Sabo'; 'mary morris'; 'Maryann Migliorelli'; 'E-mail:'; 'maurice mines'; 'MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'; 'mike sabo'; 'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'; 'NFB OF COLORADO'; 'NFB OF MICHIGAN'; 'patti bellisle'; 'PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION'; 'RACHEL BECKER'; 'E-mail:'; 'REGAN LYNCH'; 'RICHARD LEWIS'; 'RICHELLE PENNOCK'; 'SCOTT LABARREE'; 'STEVE PATTON'; 'TIFFANY COOK'; 'tony landa'; 'tonya hughes'; 'WAYNE MERRITT'; 'william oulette'; 'YOLANDA GARCIA' Subject: RE: Colorado VisionWalk - Oct. 1st at City Park Hi Richard, Thanks for your email. We have also received word that a "white cane flash mob" is planned for that day around 11 a.m. when the walkers return to City Park. After some practicing, plans are to video it and post it on YouTube - should be FUN! Karen McClurg Volunteer Coordinator Anchor Center for Blind Children 2550 Roslyn Street Denver, CO 80238 303-377-9732 x129 kmcclurg at anchorcenter.org Are you an Angel? Ask me about Anchor Angel Circle of Giving. PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL This e-mail is intended only for the addressee. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you receive this transmission in error, or you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, disclosure or other use of its contents is strictly prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Faubion [mailto:rfaubion at blindness.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:59 AM To: Chris Nusbaum; Amy Sabo Cc: audioaccessfm; ALLISON HILLIKER; Amy Baron; Andrew Edgcumbe; Antonio M. Guimaraes; ARIELLE SILVERMAN; CHARLIE Bartholomew; Charlotte Czarnecki; CHASITY JACKSON; CHRIS BELL; CHRISTINE LINCOLN; CHRISTY HACKET; CLAUDIA FAUBION; CLAUDIA PARKER; COLORADO ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS; Danielle Paullin; E-mail:; DAVID PAULLIN; dennis hummland; DONNA HILL; doug oliver; Eric Kosten; ERIK GOSLITT; ERIN RICHARDSON; JACOB STREUSMA; JANETT TRIPLETT; JENNIFER KENNEDY; JERIMIAH BEASLEY; JOE OROZCO; JOE TRIPLETT; JOHN MATTE; JOY RAVENAL; JUDI SABO; Karen McClurg; KRISTINA CONSTANT; LINDA RICKARD; liz bottoner; LMBBS GROUP; Lorinda Riddle; Lynda Sabo; mary morris; Maryann Migliorelli; E-mail:; maurice mines; MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS; mike sabo; NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS; NFB OF COLORADO; NFB OF MICHIGAN; patti bellisle; PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION; RACHEL BECKER; E-mail:; REGAN LYNCH; RICHARD LEWIS; RICHELLE PENNOCK; SCOTT LABARREE; STEVE PATTON; TIFFANY COOK; tony landa; tonya hughes; WAYNE MERRITT; william oulette; YOLANDA GARCIA Subject: RE: Colorado VisiionWalk - Oct. 1st at City Park Hi All, Don't forget that this Saturday, Oct. 1st at City Park is the Colorado VisionWalk, a FREE, family-friendly event; registration at 9 AMand the Walk starts at 10 AM. Please join us and have some fun as we seek to save and restore sight for everyone! Best regards, Richad Faubion 720-207-8362 Richard B. Faubion Director of Development, Southwest Region Foundation Fighting Blindness 1663 Steele Street, Suite 607, Denver, CO 80206 Phone: (720) 207-8362; website: www.FightBlindness.org Colorado VisionWalk - Saturday, October 1, 2011, City Park ________________________________________ From: Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:33 PM To: Amy Sabo Cc: audioaccessfm; ALLISON HILLIKER; Amy Baron; Andrew Edgcumbe; Antonio M. Guimaraes; ARIELLE SILVERMAN; CHARLIE Bartholomew; Charlotte Czarnecki; CHASITY JACKSON; CHRIS BELL; CHRISTINE LINCOLN; CHRISTY HACKET; CLAUDIA FAUBION; CLAUDIA PARKER; COLORADO ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS; Danielle Paullin; E-mail:; DAVID PAULLIN; dennis hummland; DONNA HILL; doug oliver; Eric Kosten; ERIK GOSLITT; ERIN RICHARDSON; JACOB STREUSMA; JANETT TRIPLETT; JENNIFER KENNEDY; JERIMIAH BEASLEY; JOE OROZCO; JOE TRIPLETT; JOHN MATTE; JOY RAVENAL; JUDI SABO; Karen McClurg; KRISTINA CONSTANT; LINDA RICKARD; liz bottoner; LMBBS GROUP; Lorinda Riddle; Lynda Sabo; mary morris; Maryann Migliorelli; E-mail:; maurice mines; MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS; mike sabo; NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS; NFB OF COLORADO; NFB OF MICHIGAN; patti bellisle; PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION; RACHEL BECKER; E-mail:; REGAN LYNCH; Richard Faubion; RICHARD LEWIS; RICHELLE PENNOCK; SCOTT LABARREE; STEVE PATTON; TIFFANY COOK; tony landa; tonya hughes; WAYNE MERRITT; william oulette; YOLANDA GARCIA Subject: Re: Facebook page Hi Amy, I liked it this afternoon! I've also posted on the station's wall. Chris On 9/25/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello all, > > I hope that you are all doing well this fine Sunday. I just wanted to > update you all on some news in regards to audioaccessfm. If you all > are on twitter please feel free to follow us on twitter by following > "audioaccessfm" to keep up with us all of the upcoming news and events > that station has to offer. > > We also now have a fan page on facebook so, any of you are on facebook > just go to our fan page at facebookk.com/audioaccessfm > > And, check us also out for all of the news and events on what's going > on with the station! The page is growing so please show us some love > there! > > Well, that's all for now take care all and, have a good week! > > > > Hugs, > From amy > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 19:54:46 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:54:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions Message-ID: Hi All: I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on this list have me a little concerned about some things. I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet explorer. My main browser is Internet explorer. I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just download Internet explorer 9. However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? Is Google Krome accessible? Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing since IE 9 is inaccessible. Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately pay *huge sigh.* Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone else used it and what you thought of it. Thanks, Kerri From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 20:04:47 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:04:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carrie, I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft website. And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last weekend, so yes you can still download it. HTH Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions Hi All: I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on this list have me a little concerned about some things. I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet explorer. My main browser is Internet explorer. I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just download Internet explorer 9. However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? Is Google Krome accessible? Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing since IE 9 is inaccessible. Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately pay *huge sigh.* Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone else used it and what you thought of it. Thanks, Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6499 (20110927) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6499 (20110927) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Tue Sep 27 20:15:30 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:15:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and IE 9 Message-ID: <000301cc7d52$349df860$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Kerri and everyone, I just checked the Freedom Scientific Web Site and discovered that JAWS does work with Internet Explorer 9.0. You'll need the JFW 12.0 update. JFW 13.0 will also support it if you decide to stick with IE 9. We'll be ordering Mary's new computer on Thursday and will be dealing with the same issue. Dell told us that all of their desktops and laptops ship with IE 9.0 installed.Hope this helps. Peter Donahue "Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered. And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you." Will You Come to the Bower Traditional Irish Folk Song From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 21:33:44 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:33:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress bar and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on websites or something? I'm just wondering. Kerri On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Carrie, > > I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft website. > And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last weekend, so > yes you can still download it. > > HTH > Marsha > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Kerri Kosten > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions > > Hi All: > > I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry > about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on > this list have me a little concerned about some things. > > I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. > > I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has > windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation > processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. > > I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it > actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet > explorer. > > My main browser is Internet explorer. > > I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just > download Internet explorer 9. > > However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. > > Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? > > Is Google Krome accessible? > > Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the > taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also > know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had > Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. > > The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing > since IE 9 is inaccessible. > > Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is > out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am > just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately > pay *huge sigh.* > > Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you > find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? > > Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or > getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone > else used it and what you thought of it. > > Thanks, > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6499 (20110927) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6499 (20110927) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 22:04:58 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:04:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] kendel from Amazon.com accessibility Message-ID: <4e8248b2.03d4e00a.235c.2f2f@mx.google.com> Hi Anmol, The NFB has been talking with Amazon about making their Kindel accessible, although Amazon hasn't done much working on the matter. I haven't heard much from the Federation on this matter lately, has anyone else? The Kindel's accessibility was the reasoning behind the Authors' Guild protest back in 2009 and the founding of the Reading Rights Coalition. Amazon put in text-to-speech technology in their Kindel 2 when it came out, but the Authors' Guild (for some reason, it makes no sense to me whatsoever) got up in the air (if you will) about it because they were worried that text-to-speech technology making their books accessible to the blind would adversely effect their royalty payments for the sale of their books. Therefore, they didn't let Amazon make their books accessible, and Amazon agreed with them! Later in 2009, the Federation along with a lot of other disability rights groups formed a coalition that is still alive and strong today that advocates for the right of access to information for people with disabilities called the Reading Rights Coalition. They held a big protest in front of the Author's Guild offices in New York City. This was all started by the Kindel, and it's still not accessible!! This is one of the Federation's uphill battles, and I am optomistic that we will win! In the meantime, the Kindel, unfortunately, just won't work. But you do have many options, both in the form of hardware and software. If you have a digital talking book player such as the Victor Reader Stream from HumanWare, the BookPort from APH, the BookSense from HIMS, or the NLS DTB player, you could use those to read books. You could also try Bookshare or Learning Ally (RFBD.) If you want something mainstream and accessible, you could always go for the iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad. You could also download Blio from KNFB Reading Technologies. Blio is a mainstream eBook reading platform for both the blind and the sighted. But the great thing about Blio is that you can rest assured that every book you download from the service is completely accessible to you as a blind person. I have Blio, and love it! It fulfills the NFB's dream for eBook reading: same book, same time, same price, same quality! The only limitation to Blio is that it only runs on a PC, iPhone, or iPod Touch. They just came out with a version for Android, but they're still trying to make it accessible. Here's the link to Blio: www.blio.com. Although we have Blio, I believe we need to keep working to make all the options sighted people have for reading books accessible to us, and that includes portable devices like the Kindle! I know enough about the Federation to know that we will keep fighting until we achieve this goal, and I'm determined that we will come out on top! As the Federation's "national anthem" says, "Glory glory Federation, our cause goes marching on!" :) OK, enough for my pep talk! Has anyone heard anything about the Kindle from the Federation's leaders or access technology department? If so, please keep us posted! Hope this helps! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Anmol Bhatia wrote: Hello, I recently perchased a kendel from Amazon.com and have discovered that it is not accessible to me as a blind person. Have anybody experienced simillar problem? I am wanting to return the product because it is not accessible and I want my full refund including shipping cost. Can I ask for full refund including shipping cost based on the arguement that the product is not accessible for a blind person? thanks Anmol _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 22:04:57 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:04:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and operating systems Message-ID: <4e8248b1.03d4e00a.235c.2f2e@mx.google.com> Hi Bridgit, Tablets are little mini computers that you can use on the go. A lot of phone companies make them, like Sampsung or LG, as well as computer companies, like HP and Apple. I don't know of any accessible tablets that aren't smartphones besides the iPad. Has anyone else had experiences with accessible (or inaccessible) tablets? Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Message-ID: Most stores have a refund policy. Expecting a full refund if this isn't the policy just because the product isn't accessible isn't something a company is obligated to do. Currently, no law claims all products must be accessible to all users. And if you, as a consumer, didn't research the product beforehand, it's not a company's fault you spent money on a product you can't independently use. If you had ask if the product was accessible for blind users and the answer was yes, then you may have a solid reason for demanding a full refund. Without having done this, or a company advertising full accessibility, a consumer, a consumer of any kind, doesn't have a legal right to a refund not the norm based on a company's policy. It may not be fair that we can't use Kindel's as blind consumers, but on the flip side of the coin, we shouldn't purchase items, especially technology, without knowing ahead of time if it will be accessible or not. I had thought Kindel was working to make the product accessible, but if you bought it without knowing for sure, it's not Amazon's fault. Most retailers have a refund policy of some kind, and I know Amazon does, but if its policy is to not provide full refunds, I wouldn't expect a full one just because the Kindel isn't accessible. This sucks, but Amazon doesn't advertise it as so, nor is Amazon legally obligated to offer it as so. Bridgit Hello, I recently perchased a kendel from Amazon.com and have discovered that it is not accessible to me as a blind person. Have anybody experienced simillar problem? I am wanting to return the product because it is not accessible and I want my full refund including shipping cost. Can I ask for full refund including shipping cost based on the arguement that the product is not accessible for a blind person? thanks Anmol From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Sep 27 23:41:34 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:41:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kerry, As with many things it depends. I've not seen much problem with jaws and IE 9. Why not call freedom scientific and ask them so you can get the answer straight from the source? I think it might depend on your operating system. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress bar and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on websites or something? I'm just wondering. Kerri On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Carrie, > > I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft website. > And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last weekend, so > yes you can still download it. > > HTH > Marsha > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Kerri Kosten > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions > > Hi All: > > I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry > about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on > this list have me a little concerned about some things. > > I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. > > I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has > windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation > processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. > > I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it > actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet > explorer. > > My main browser is Internet explorer. > > I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just > download Internet explorer 9. > > However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. > > Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? > > Is Google Krome accessible? > > Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the > taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also > know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had > Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. > > The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing > since IE 9 is inaccessible. > > Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is > out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am > just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately > pay *huge sigh.* > > Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you > find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? > > Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or > getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone > else used it and what you thought of it. > > Thanks, > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6499 (20110927) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6499 (20110927) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 01:05:27 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:05:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9013E86E8E0D4E55B4CA0F8A427F7CF6@AnjelinaPC> I'm successfully using JAWS 12 with IE9. -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress bar and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on websites or something? I'm just wondering. Kerri On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Carrie, > > I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft website. > And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last weekend, so > yes you can still download it. > > HTH > Marsha > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Kerri Kosten > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions > > Hi All: > > I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry > about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on > this list have me a little concerned about some things. > > I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. > > I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has > windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation > processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. > > I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it > actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet > explorer. > > My main browser is Internet explorer. > > I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just > download Internet explorer 9. > > However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. > > Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? > > Is Google Krome accessible? > > Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the > taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also > know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had > Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. > > The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing > since IE 9 is inaccessible. > > Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is > out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am > just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately > pay *huge sigh.* > > Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you > find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? > > Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or > getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone > else used it and what you thought of it. > > Thanks, > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6499 (20110927) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6499 (20110927) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From nbrav003 at fiu.edu Wed Sep 28 02:01:02 2011 From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:01:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Florida Association of Blind Students October Meeting Message-ID: Good evening, On behalf of the Florida Association of Blind Students, I would like to invite you to participate in our October meeting. This is an exciting time for FABS and we would like you to come be part of it. The call will take place on Sunday, October 2, at 4:00 PM Eastern. The conference dial-in number is: (209) 647-1000 Access code: 401665# Have a great week, and see you Sunday! Sincerely, Nallym Bravo From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 04:10:51 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:10:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: <9013E86E8E0D4E55B4CA0F8A427F7CF6@AnjelinaPC> References: <9013E86E8E0D4E55B4CA0F8A427F7CF6@AnjelinaPC> Message-ID: <8060099130973271943@unknownmsgid> Nothing wrong with ie9. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:07 PM, "Anjelina" wrote: > I'm successfully using JAWS 12 with IE9. > -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions > > Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: > > I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. > > What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress bar > and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on websites > or something? > > I'm just wondering. > > Kerri > > On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> Carrie, >> >> I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft website. >> And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last weekend, so >> yes you can still download it. >> >> HTH >> Marsha >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Kerri Kosten >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >> >> Hi All: >> >> I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry >> about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on >> this list have me a little concerned about some things. >> >> I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. >> >> I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has >> windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation >> processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. >> >> I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it >> actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet >> explorer. >> >> My main browser is Internet explorer. >> >> I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just >> download Internet explorer 9. >> >> However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. >> >> Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? >> >> Is Google Krome accessible? >> >> Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the >> taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also >> know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had >> Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. >> >> The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing >> since IE 9 is inaccessible. >> >> Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is >> out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am >> just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately >> pay *huge sigh.* >> >> Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you >> find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? >> >> Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or >> getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone >> else used it and what you thought of it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 17:57:14 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:57:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: <8060099130973271943@unknownmsgid> References: <9013E86E8E0D4E55B4CA0F8A427F7CF6@AnjelinaPC> <8060099130973271943@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Everyone: Okay, I appologize for posting this then. I thought IE 9 was accessible as well, but there was a couple of threads a couple of days ago that indicated it wasn't and I wanted to double check before installing it on my new laptop. I did not call Freedom scientific because I figured it was easier and quicker for me to just post on here. Kerri On 9/28/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Nothing wrong with ie9. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:07 PM, "Anjelina" wrote: > >> I'm successfully using JAWS 12 with IE9. >> -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >> >> Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: >> >> I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. >> >> What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress bar >> and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on websites >> or something? >> >> I'm just wondering. >> >> Kerri >> >> On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> Carrie, >>> >>> I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft website. >>> And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last weekend, so >>> yes you can still download it. >>> >>> HTH >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Kerri Kosten >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >>> >>> Hi All: >>> >>> I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry >>> about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on >>> this list have me a little concerned about some things. >>> >>> I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. >>> >>> I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has >>> windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation >>> processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. >>> >>> I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it >>> actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet >>> explorer. >>> >>> My main browser is Internet explorer. >>> >>> I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just >>> download Internet explorer 9. >>> >>> However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. >>> >>> Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? >>> >>> Is Google Krome accessible? >>> >>> Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the >>> taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also >>> know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had >>> Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. >>> >>> The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing >>> since IE 9 is inaccessible. >>> >>> Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is >>> out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am >>> just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately >>> pay *huge sigh.* >>> >>> Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you >>> find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? >>> >>> Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or >>> getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone >>> else used it and what you thought of it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >> >> >> Anjelina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From aec732 at msn.com Wed Sep 28 18:13:40 2011 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:13:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help creating a Facebook group page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please excuse cross-post; I realized that this list may be my best resource for my question. I am working with a client to develop a page for her business on FB. I created a page and invited people to "Like" her business but it seems I should have created a "Group" instead of a fan page as no one is able to see page updates.... Any way to re-create this Group pageusing the material already on the fan page? Many thanks! You can message me off list if that works better... Annemarie Cooke From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 21:37:59 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:37:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone Message-ID: <4e8393e0.8ac4e00a.56f8.01a9@mx.google.com> Hi Tamika, No problem! If your friend is a Federation member, he can take advantage of this discount! Good luck! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamika Williams" Hi all, This is just letting you know of the BANA Board meeting to be held at the NFB Jernigan Institute. In light of recent threads on the NABS list in which many people expressed strong opinions about BANA's consideration of the abolition of Nemeth, I thought I'd let everyone know so they can let their voice be heard. Trudy, if you haven't gotten this already, can you forward this to the MDPOBC list? Thanks! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "Jensen, Meleah" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment Type: application/octet-stream Size: 297 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 21:38:13 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:38:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado VisiionWalk - Oct. 1st at City Park Message-ID: <4e8393ee.8ac4e00a.56f8.01b3@mx.google.com> Hi Richard, This is Chris Nusbaum. I'm just wondering, how did I get on the list to receive these emails from the FFB? In other words, how did you get my email address? I live in Maryland, so I can't get up to Colorado to attend the walk. The only way I could think that you got my email is because of me knowing Amy, Arielle, David Dunphy, and others from NABS and the NABS list. It's OK that I'm getting this email, I'm just wondering, as your name doesn't seem familiar to me. Thanks! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Faubion , Amy Sabo wrote: Hello all, I hope that you are all doing well this fine Sunday. I just wanted to update you all on some news in regards to audioaccessfm. If you all are on twitter please feel free to follow us on twitter by following "audioaccessfm" to keep up with us all of the upcoming news and events that station has to offer. We also now have a fan page on facebook so, any of you are on facebook just go to our fan page at facebookk.com/audioaccessfm And, check us also out for all of the news and events on what's going on with the station! The page is growing so please show us some love there! Well, that's all for now take care all and, have a good week! Hugs, From amy -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 21:38:35 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:38:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions Message-ID: <4e839403.8ac4e00a.56f8.01bb@mx.google.com> Hi Kerri, Google Chrome? Yuck! Not accessible in the slightest! Yeah, download IE 9. The people who posted the stuff about IE 9 not being accessible apparently got some misinformation, as I and others on this list use IE 9 and it's accessible, as long as the Web sites you go to are accessible. Also, if you're ever in a bind and don't have JAWS, (your JAWS crashes, something went wrong with your computer, etc.) Windows 7 comes with its own screen reader, called Narrator. It's a lot better than the old Narrator, as its speech is much more human-sounding. I like JAWS better than Narrator because I know the keystrokes and I can understand Eloquence a little better than Sappy 5, but Narrator's good if you need it. The only big thing that has changed in Windows 7 is that they've added what's called "virtual ribbons" to their menu system. You would need someone more experienced with the ribbons than I to tell you how that works. I usually just use the start menu and the all programs submenu plus a program's menu bar to navigate the computer. The start menu hasn't changed all that much from XP. When you hit the Windows key, JAWS will read "menu, search box edit." In this search box, you can type the name of a program, hit Enter, and it will launch. For example, you could start typing Internet Explorer and when it recognizes what you're trying to type, JAWS will say "Internet Explorer." Hit Enter, and IE will launch. If you don't want to use the search box, just down arrow until you see what you want. On Windows 7, it only shows you the first ten or eleven programs it brings up on your computer. If the program you want isn't in there, just down arrow and at the bottom you'll find the all programs submenu. Hit right arrow, and you'll see them all. If you have any more questions, let me know on list or off! If you have a Skype, I'd also be happy to call you on Skype and help you out once you have your laptop. Hope this helps! Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Kerri Kosten Hi Kerri, IE 9 uses pretty much the same keystrokes as IE 8. To go to the address bar, hit alt d. You can read the content on a site if the site is accessible. I'm not sure what some people were talking about when they said IE 9 was inaccessible, but they heard some misinformation. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Kerri Kosten wrote: Carrie, I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft website. And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last weekend, so yes you can still download it. HTH Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions Hi All: I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on this list have me a little concerned about some things. I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet explorer. My main browser is Internet explorer. I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just download Internet explorer 9. However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? Is Google Krome accessible? Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing since IE 9 is inaccessible. Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately pay *huge sigh.* Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone else used it and what you thought of it. Thanks, Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6499 (20110927) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6499 (20110927) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 23:27:01 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:27:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: <4e839404.8ac4e00a.56f8.01bc@mx.google.com> References: <4e839404.8ac4e00a.56f8.01bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Kerri and all, I am also planning to make the transition to Windows 7 from XP soon and have a few questions related to this discussion. So far, it sounds like the main difference between Windows 7 and XP is the way menus are structured and how different items are arranged. Is there anything else about Windows 7 that requires major adjustments? I currently use Outlook Express as my primary email client, which I realize is no longer available in Windows 7. Is MS Office Outlook the most logical alternative? Also, how different is MS Office 2010 from MS Office 2007? Thanks! Katie On 9/28/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Kerri, > > IE 9 uses pretty much the same keystrokes as IE 8. To go to the > address bar, hit alt d. You can read the content on a site if > the site is accessible. I'm not sure what some people were > talking about when they said IE 9 was inaccessible, but they > heard some misinformation. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kerri Kosten To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:33:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions > > Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: > > I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. > > What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress > bar > and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on > websites > or something? > > I'm just wondering. > > Kerri > > On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Carrie, > > I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft > website. > And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last > weekend, so > yes you can still download it. > > HTH > Marsha > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Kerri Kosten > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions > > Hi All: > > I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't > worry > about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads > on > this list have me a little concerned about some things. > > I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next > week. > > I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) > It has > windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second > generation > processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. > > I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it > actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than > Internet > explorer. > > My main browser is Internet explorer. > > I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and > just > download Internet explorer 9. > > However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. > > Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? > > Is Google Krome accessible? > > Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I > know the > taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. > I also > know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had > Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem > either. > > The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser > thing > since IE 9 is inaccessible. > > Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws > 13 is > out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? > I am > just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll > unfortunately > pay *huge sigh.* > > Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? > Do you > find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? > > Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering > switching or > getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if > anyone > else used it and what you thought of it. > > Thanks, > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth > %40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 6499 (20110927) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > database 6499 (20110927) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 23:38:52 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:38:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions Message-ID: <4e83b044.1dc4e70a.4ee0.0d9e@mx.google.com> I love the new search box in Wondows 7 machines. I've sat at computers with Win7 and I just LOOOOOOOve being able to search for a program and typing, for eample, Internet into the search box and Internet Explorer could come up. Even if I type Intern it comes up. Katie, you're right about different menu items arranged differently and stuff. I don't quite know how the 2010 MS Office suite works. I know my bf has that on his Windows 7 HP machine. I have to take a closer look because I may consider upgrading. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang wrote: Hi Kerri, IE 9 uses pretty much the same keystrokes as IE 8. To go to the address bar, hit alt d. You can read the content on a site if the site is accessible. I'm not sure what some people were talking about when they said IE 9 was inaccessible, but they heard some misinformation. Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Kerri Kosten wrote: Carrie, I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft website. And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last weekend, so yes you can still download it. HTH Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions Hi All: I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on this list have me a little concerned about some things. I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet explorer. My main browser is Internet explorer. I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just download Internet explorer 9. However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? Is Google Krome accessible? Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing since IE 9 is inaccessible. Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately pay *huge sigh.* Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone else used it and what you thought of it. Thanks, Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth %40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6499 (20110927) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6499 (20110927) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo se%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Sep 28 23:46:04 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:46:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines In-Reply-To: <4e791250.026f340a.0d95.3b41@mx.google.com> References: <4e791250.026f340a.0d95.3b41@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <64EC0D3CA28945ACBEF66072D0DCAD56@OwnerPC> Chris, Good ideas. Actually, I'm signed up for newsline but do not use it much. The synthesized speech isn't appealing to listen for long periods. Still if they have the magazines I want, I'll give it a try. Oh, and I already get the Washington Ear. It’s a good free service. I like the human readers. Yes they do have a few magazines including two I want to read and keep. But thing is that is recorded and I'd prefer a copy I can keep preferaly a braille or electronic magazine. I mainly listen to the washington post and wall stree journal with it and Time. I was trying to find sources of mainstream magazines such as the New Yorker, Time, or Seventeen. The digital versions online are very limited. If anyone subscribes to them, I'd like to know. I wonder how accessible they are. I don't want to pay a subscription if its not real accessible. You mentioned bookshare and RFB. I wasn't aware they did magazines. Its my understanding they only do books. If they, in fact, do magazines, which ones? Does a mainstream source have recorded magazines such as audible.com or amazon.com? I wanted to read more sources to broaden my news perspective and of course to observe different writing styles. I'm interested in reading more book reviews, play reviews, and profile stories. This way I know how to write them if I decide to do free lance work. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible magazines Hi Ashley, You have a few options here. You could read magazines and newspapers on NFB Newsline. This is the way I read most of my magazines. It's free to sign up, and you can read many magazines and newspapers from around the country plus TV listings, job listings, and local blindness-related information (in the form of a state information channel put out by your state's sponsor, which is usually the state NLS library) either on the phone by calling into the service, on the Web, on your Victor Stream or any other talking book player that supports DAISY files, on an NLS DTB player, on a notetaker that supports DAISY files, or on your MP3 player or iPod. For more information, you can call 1-866-504-7300 or go to nfbnewsline.org. Now I know that you are in northern Virginia, so you can also use the Washington Ear, which is a service like Newsline, only it has human readers (like RFBD magazines) and it only has local newspapers, although it has some national magazines. For somebody who lives in the area, the Ear is nice because it has some of the smaller newspapers from the DC suberbs on it that you wouldn't find on a national service like Newsline. You can go to washear.org for information about that. The Ear has both a phone service and a radio reading service, but the phone service is free, so I'd recommend that. You can usually get blindness magazines either in Braille, large print, by email, or over the Internet. For example, I'm subscribed to both the Braille Monitor (from NFB) and the Braille Forum (from ACB.) I get the Monitor mailed to me in Braille (come to think of it, I haven't gotten my August/September Monitor yet) and the Forum emailed to me. You can get those magazines at either nfb.org or acb.org. On the NFB site, just select Publications, then Braille Monitor. On the ACB site, go to the Quick Links heading and select the Braille Forum link. From there, you should find subscription options, either in the form of a link and then a form field or just a form field on the same page. Many mainstream magazines are available online, and a lot of these are accessible. Heck, even my state NFB affiliate only distributes our newsletter, the Braille Spectator, on Newsline and online on our site. They don't even make a hardcopy! So, you can find many magazines online. Of course, not all of them are accessible, but it doesn't hurt to check the ones you're interested in out to see, if they're not on Newsline, the Ear, or NLS/Bookshare, or you don't want to read them by these means. Speaking of Bookshare, they also have a lot of magazines, along with RFBD. You could always try them. To answer your question about NLS, I didn't know there was a special magazine program they have. I know that they have magazines on WebBraille and BARD, if you're subscribed to either one. To sign up for these services, the best way is to contact your state LBPH. Note that you need a notetaker or a Braille display to read WebBraille materials, as they are in BRF format. Hope this helps! Please let me know if you have any questions! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <4e8393ee.8ac4e00a.56f8.01b3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <25DD07CFCBE2480696992A11A7FE307F@OwnerPC> Chris, I think you meant to send this privately. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:38 PM To: Richard Faubion ; dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com ; amylsabo at comcast.net Cc: JBEASLEY at jb11.net ; czarnecki17 at comcast.net ; jmatte28 at comcast.net ; RLEWIS at bcm.tmc.edu ; matt at gravitydsn.com ; astrofanchris at yahoo.com ; lawnmower84 at hotmail.com ; tonylanda at aol.com ; clearingfor at comcast.net ; MI-ABS at nfbnet.org ; BELLISLE_PJ at co.brown.wi.us ; LMBBS at yahoogroups.com ; wcmerritt at gmail.com ; Rachel at beckerconsultants.com ; diamonds04 at msn.com ; rdlynch at gmail.com ; DAVID.PAULLIN at gmail.com ; yvgarcia at gmail.com ; kristinaconstant66 at gmail.com ; penatwork at epix.net ; mikessabo at gmail.com ; iamantonio at cox.net ; dholston at nyc.rr.com ; chasityvanda at charter.net ; PERFORM-TALK at nfbnet.org ; lmbbs at live.com ; CABS at nfbnet.org ; Richele.Pennock at state.co.us ; JAMESTRIPLETT at comcast.net ; lyndasabo at gmail.com ; aebaron at comcast.net ; djd at audioaccessfm.com ; tlozano0673 at comcast.net ; christinelincoln at hotmail.com ; nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org ; danielle.paullin at gmail.com ; jmallorysabo at hotmail.com ; ekosten at freedomscientific.com ; JOY at ravenel.net ; mommy2gwen at yahoo.com ; JANETTTRIPLETT at comcast.net ; kmcclurg at anchorcenter.org ; liz.bottner at gmail.com ; charliejudyb at comcast.net ; HILLIKERA at gmail.com ; wdjm3 at yahoo.com ; NABS-L at nfbnet.org ; claudiacparker at sbcglobal.net ; JSOROZCO at gmail.com ; lriddle at cocenter.org ; COLORADO-TALK at nfbnet.org ; teambrybry at hotmail.com ; hughestonya74 at yahoo.com ; chickie_r at comcast.net Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Colorado VisiionWalk - Oct. 1st at City Park Hi Richard, This is Chris Nusbaum. I'm just wondering, how did I get on the list to receive these emails from the FFB? In other words, how did you get my email address? I live in Maryland, so I can't get up to Colorado to attend the walk. The only way I could think that you got my email is because of me knowing Amy, Arielle, David Dunphy, and others from NABS and the NABS list. It's OK that I'm getting this email, I'm just wondering, as your name doesn't seem familiar to me. Thanks! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Faubion , Amy Sabo wrote: Hello all, I hope that you are all doing well this fine Sunday. I just wanted to update you all on some news in regards to audioaccessfm. If you all are on twitter please feel free to follow us on twitter by following "audioaccessfm" to keep up with us all of the upcoming news and events that station has to offer. We also now have a fan page on facebook so, any of you are on facebook just go to our fan page at facebookk.com/audioaccessfm And, check us also out for all of the news and events on what's going on with the station! The page is growing so please show us some love there! Well, that's all for now take care all and, have a good week! Hugs, >From amy -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From tamwill009 at comcast.net Thu Sep 29 00:18:14 2011 From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:18:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone In-Reply-To: <4e8393e0.8ac4e00a.56f8.01a9@mx.google.com> References: <4e8393e0.8ac4e00a.56f8.01a9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone > Hi Tamika, > > No problem! If your friend is a Federation member, he can take advantage > of this discount! Good luck! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tamika Williams" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:48:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone > > Hello Chris, > > Yes I am a NFB member, but this question was posted on behalf of a friend. > Thanks for that info, I am sure that is something that he did not know. > > Tamika Williams > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone > > > Hi Tamika, > > Sorry I can't tell you what phones are accessible with T Mobile, as I'm a > Verizon user. However, if you're an NFB member (which I assume you are,) > there's an NFB-MEMBER discount at T Mobile. Because of this, it would > only make sense to have an accessible phone if they have an NFB discount. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of > the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tamika Williams" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:57:00 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] T-Mobile acessable phone > > Hello, > > I am so so sorry, because I know this question has been ask a dozen times > before, but at the time I had no need to really absorb this info. My > question is what phone does T-Mobile have available that is acessable to > totally blind users? If they do not have a totally acessable phone, please > tell me about any with limited acessability and tell me what exactly is > acessable. Thanks in advance for all feedback. > > Tamika Williams > E-mail 1: tamwill009 at comcast.net > E-mail 2: tnw602 at jaguar1.usouthal.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40 > comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net From ignasicambra at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 02:41:27 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:41:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: References: <9013E86E8E0D4E55B4CA0F8A427F7CF6@AnjelinaPC> <8060099130973271943@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <28E51D31-47D8-4E19-B488-C424153A4C64@gmail.com> Kerri, I know you are used to Internet Explorer, but I would strongly recommend that you try Firefox. JAWS works extremely well with it, and if you use Firefox you have access to Webvisum, which will help you with captchas etc. Now that you are changing laptops might be a good time to switch... On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > Okay, I appologize for posting this then. I thought IE 9 was > accessible as well, but there was a couple of threads a couple of days > ago that indicated it wasn't and I wanted to double check before > installing it on my new laptop. > > I did not call Freedom scientific because I figured it was easier and > quicker for me to just post on here. > > Kerri > > On 9/28/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> Nothing wrong with ie9. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:07 PM, "Anjelina" wrote: >> >>> I'm successfully using JAWS 12 with IE9. >>> -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:33 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >>> >>> Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: >>> >>> I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. >>> >>> What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress bar >>> and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on websites >>> or something? >>> >>> I'm just wondering. >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>>> Carrie, >>>> >>>> I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft website. >>>> And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last weekend, so >>>> yes you can still download it. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Kerri Kosten >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >>>> >>>> Hi All: >>>> >>>> I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't worry >>>> about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads on >>>> this list have me a little concerned about some things. >>>> >>>> I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next week. >>>> >>>> I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) It has >>>> windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second generation >>>> processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. >>>> >>>> I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it >>>> actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than Internet >>>> explorer. >>>> >>>> My main browser is Internet explorer. >>>> >>>> I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and just >>>> download Internet explorer 9. >>>> >>>> However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. >>>> >>>> Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? >>>> >>>> Is Google Krome accessible? >>>> >>>> Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I know the >>>> taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. I also >>>> know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had >>>> Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem either. >>>> >>>> The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser thing >>>> since IE 9 is inaccessible. >>>> >>>> Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws 13 is >>>> out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? I am >>>> just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll unfortunately >>>> pay *huge sigh.* >>>> >>>> Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? Do you >>>> find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? >>>> >>>> Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering switching or >>>> getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if anyone >>>> else used it and what you thought of it. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> Anjelina >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 02:46:00 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:46:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: References: <4e839404.8ac4e00a.56f8.01bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <15B836D6-129A-4F11-8559-5D266E798913@gmail.com> Hello, I can't say anything about email clients because I use Mac OS X as my primary OS, but there's one thing about Windows 7 which I think is worth mentioning: the desktop is recognized as an application that's always opened, just like the Finder is always there in OS X. This means that when you alt+tab between apps, you will also get the desktop. People used to XP or older Windows versions can be annoyed by this... On Sep 28, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi, Kerri and all, > I am also planning to make the transition to Windows 7 from XP soon > and have a few questions related to this discussion. So far, it sounds > like the main difference between Windows 7 and XP is the way menus are > structured and how different items are arranged. Is there anything > else about Windows 7 that requires major adjustments? I currently use > Outlook Express as my primary email client, which I realize is no > longer available in Windows 7. Is MS Office Outlook the most logical > alternative? Also, how different is MS Office 2010 from MS Office > 2007? > Thanks! > Katie > > > On 9/28/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Kerri, >> >> IE 9 uses pretty much the same keystrokes as IE 8. To go to the >> address bar, hit alt d. You can read the content on a site if >> the site is accessible. I'm not sure what some people were >> talking about when they said IE 9 was inaccessible, but they >> heard some misinformation. >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kerri Kosten > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:33:44 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >> >> Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: >> >> I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. >> >> What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress >> bar >> and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on >> websites >> or something? >> >> I'm just wondering. >> >> Kerri >> >> On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> Carrie, >> >> I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft >> website. >> And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last >> weekend, so >> yes you can still download it. >> >> HTH >> Marsha >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Kerri Kosten >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >> >> Hi All: >> >> I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't >> worry >> about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads >> on >> this list have me a little concerned about some things. >> >> I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next >> week. >> >> I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) >> It has >> windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second >> generation >> processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. >> >> I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it >> actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than >> Internet >> explorer. >> >> My main browser is Internet explorer. >> >> I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and >> just >> download Internet explorer 9. >> >> However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. >> >> Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? >> >> Is Google Krome accessible? >> >> Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I >> know the >> taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. >> I also >> know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had >> Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem >> either. >> >> The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser >> thing >> since IE 9 is inaccessible. >> >> Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws >> 13 is >> out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? >> I am >> just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll >> unfortunately >> pay *huge sigh.* >> >> Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? >> Do you >> find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? >> >> Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering >> switching or >> getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if >> anyone >> else used it and what you thought of it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature >> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature >> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40 >> gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 02:52:53 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:52:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions In-Reply-To: <15B836D6-129A-4F11-8559-5D266E798913@gmail.com> References: <4e839404.8ac4e00a.56f8.01bc@mx.google.com> <15B836D6-129A-4F11-8559-5D266E798913@gmail.com> Message-ID: Idk. Firefox is considered evil by some university professors. They won't let you even use Google Chrome. While we're on the subject of web browsers, ... what about Google Chrome? Beth On 9/28/11, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > Hello, > I can't say anything about email clients because I use Mac OS X as my > primary OS, but there's one thing about Windows 7 which I think is worth > mentioning: the desktop is recognized as an application that's always > opened, just like the Finder is always there in OS X. This means that when > you alt+tab between apps, you will also get the desktop. People used to XP > or older Windows versions can be annoyed by this... > On Sep 28, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Katie Wang wrote: > >> Hi, Kerri and all, >> I am also planning to make the transition to Windows 7 from XP soon >> and have a few questions related to this discussion. So far, it sounds >> like the main difference between Windows 7 and XP is the way menus are >> structured and how different items are arranged. Is there anything >> else about Windows 7 that requires major adjustments? I currently use >> Outlook Express as my primary email client, which I realize is no >> longer available in Windows 7. Is MS Office Outlook the most logical >> alternative? Also, how different is MS Office 2010 from MS Office >> 2007? >> Thanks! >> Katie >> >> >> On 9/28/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Kerri, >>> >>> IE 9 uses pretty much the same keystrokes as IE 8. To go to the >>> address bar, hit alt d. You can read the content on a site if >>> the site is accessible. I'm not sure what some people were >>> talking about when they said IE 9 was inaccessible, but they >>> heard some misinformation. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kerri Kosten >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:33:44 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >>> >>> Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: >>> >>> I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. >>> >>> What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress >>> bar >>> and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on >>> websites >>> or something? >>> >>> I'm just wondering. >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> Carrie, >>> >>> I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft >>> website. >>> And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last >>> weekend, so >>> yes you can still download it. >>> >>> HTH >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> Of Kerri Kosten >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >>> >>> Hi All: >>> >>> I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't >>> worry >>> about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads >>> on >>> this list have me a little concerned about some things. >>> >>> I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next >>> week. >>> >>> I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) >>> It has >>> windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second >>> generation >>> processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. >>> >>> I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it >>> actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than >>> Internet >>> explorer. >>> >>> My main browser is Internet explorer. >>> >>> I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and >>> just >>> download Internet explorer 9. >>> >>> However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. >>> >>> Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? >>> >>> Is Google Krome accessible? >>> >>> Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I >>> know the >>> taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. >>> I also >>> know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had >>> Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem >>> either. >>> >>> The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser >>> thing >>> since IE 9 is inaccessible. >>> >>> Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws >>> 13 is >>> out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? >>> I am >>> just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll >>> unfortunately >>> pay *huge sigh.* >>> >>> Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? >>> Do you >>> find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? >>> >>> Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering >>> switching or >>> getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if >>> anyone >>> else used it and what you thought of it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth >>> %40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>> virus signature >>> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>> virus signature >>> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40 >>> gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From brlsurfer at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 02:59:48 2011 From: brlsurfer at gmail.com (vejas) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:59:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible magazines Message-ID: <4e83df2d.4b13e70a.2c71.09a8@mx.google.com> Hi=20Everyone, Accessible=20Braille=20on-line=20magazines=20can=20also=20be=20downloaded=20= from=20 Bookshare=20(Newsline=20supports=20it)=20and=20Web-Braille,=20Braille=20 Institute's=20web-site. Vejas =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 References: <4e839404.8ac4e00a.56f8.01bc@mx.google.com> <15B836D6-129A-4F11-8559-5D266E798913@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Everyone: I have used firefox before. It's okay I guess;IE is just what I'm used to so...but I had Firefox on my old laptop and used it sometimes. Yeah, what about google krome? It is a shame it's not accessible because I have heard a lot of sighted people love it and they say it loads webpages much faster than IE or Firefox. I've never played with it so don't know how true this is but that's what I have heard. I've also heard System access works with it so maybe give that a try. I unfortunately did not end up getting my laptop today. It's at my parents house;I will definitely get it tomorrow and I'll let everyone know how it is. I also ordered a Microsoft 2010 key so I'll let everyone know how that is when I play with it. >From what I've read, it's not that different from 2007. Chris, thanks for offering to help. I will definitely contact you if i run into any major problems I can't figure out on my own. Kerri On 9/28/11, Beth wrote: > Idk. Firefox is considered evil by some university professors. They > won't let you even use Google Chrome. While we're on the subject of > web browsers, ... what about Google Chrome? > Beth > > On 9/28/11, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: >> Hello, >> I can't say anything about email clients because I use Mac OS X as my >> primary OS, but there's one thing about Windows 7 which I think is worth >> mentioning: the desktop is recognized as an application that's always >> opened, just like the Finder is always there in OS X. This means that when >> you alt+tab between apps, you will also get the desktop. People used to XP >> or older Windows versions can be annoyed by this... >> On Sep 28, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Katie Wang wrote: >> >>> Hi, Kerri and all, >>> I am also planning to make the transition to Windows 7 from XP soon >>> and have a few questions related to this discussion. So far, it sounds >>> like the main difference between Windows 7 and XP is the way menus are >>> structured and how different items are arranged. Is there anything >>> else about Windows 7 that requires major adjustments? I currently use >>> Outlook Express as my primary email client, which I realize is no >>> longer available in Windows 7. Is MS Office Outlook the most logical >>> alternative? Also, how different is MS Office 2010 from MS Office >>> 2007? >>> Thanks! >>> Katie >>> >>> >>> On 9/28/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi Kerri, >>>> >>>> IE 9 uses pretty much the same keystrokes as IE 8. To go to the >>>> address bar, hit alt d. You can read the content on a site if >>>> the site is accessible. I'm not sure what some people were >>>> talking about when they said IE 9 was inaccessible, but they >>>> heard some misinformation. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Kerri Kosten >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:33:44 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >>>> >>>> Hi Marsha, Peter and Everyone: >>>> >>>> I originally thought Jaws 12 worked with IE 9.0. >>>> >>>> What is inaccessible about it? Can you at least go to the adress >>>> bar >>>> and go to websites? Can you not read the contentens/links on >>>> websites >>>> or something? >>>> >>>> I'm just wondering. >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> On 9/27/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>>> Carrie, >>>> >>>> I did a google search for IE8, it took me right to the Microsoft >>>> website. >>>> And I found the link and downloaded it. I did this as of last >>>> weekend, so >>>> yes you can still download it. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Kerri Kosten >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:55 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] New Laptop:Some Jaws/Windows 7 Questions >>>> >>>> Hi All: >>>> >>>> I am pretty good with computers/technology so usually I don't >>>> worry >>>> about figuring out new technology but a couple of recent threads >>>> on >>>> this list have me a little concerned about some things. >>>> >>>> I have finally ordered my new laptop and it should be here next >>>> week. >>>> >>>> I decided to go with a Tasheba Satellite (I forget the number.) >>>> It has >>>> windows 7 home premium, 64 bit, 4 gigs of ram, an I3 second >>>> generation >>>> processor, and a 640 gig hard drive. >>>> >>>> I looked at all the technical specks and though it is windows it >>>> actually comes with the google krome web browser rather than >>>> Internet >>>> explorer. >>>> >>>> My main browser is Internet explorer. >>>> >>>> I figured this was fine, and that I could have sighted help and >>>> just >>>> download Internet explorer 9. >>>> >>>> However, from what I've been reading IE 9 is inaccessible. >>>> >>>> Is there any way I could still download IE 8 rather than 9? >>>> >>>> Is Google Krome accessible? >>>> >>>> Is there anything I need to know about Jaws and windows 7? I >>>> know the >>>> taskbar is a little different but that shouldn't be a problem. >>>> I also >>>> know the start menu is a little different but my old laptop had >>>> Windows vista on it so I figured that wouldn't be a problem >>>> either. >>>> >>>> The only thing that really concerns me is the whole web browser >>>> thing >>>> since IE 9 is inaccessible. >>>> >>>> Also, just out of curiosity, I noticed the public beta of Jaws >>>> 13 is >>>> out. Are many of you planning to upgrade and pay the SMA cost? >>>> I am >>>> just wondering. My sma ends with Jaws 12 so I guess I'll >>>> unfortunately >>>> pay *huge sigh.* >>>> >>>> Also, does anyone use System Access? How is it? Do you like it? >>>> Do you >>>> find you can use most popular programs/applications with it? >>>> >>>> Once I get my new laptop up and running I am considering >>>> switching or >>>> getting System access in addition to Jaws and was curious if >>>> anyone >>>> else used it and what you thought of it. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth >>>> %40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>>> virus signature >>>> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>>> virus signature >>>> database 6499 (20110927) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40 >>>> gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>> m%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Thu Sep 29 03:59:42 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:59:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] kendel from Amazon.com accessibility In-Reply-To: <1317070942.86238.YahooMailClassic@web162010.mail.bf1.yahoo .com> References: <1317070942.86238.YahooMailClassic@web162010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, depending on the model you bought, the Kindle is partially accessible, the NFB reviewed it a while back, see their technology blog at nfb.org Dave At 04:02 PM 9/26/2011, you wrote: >--- On Mon, 9/26/11, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > > >Hello, >I recently perchased a kendel from Amazon.com and have discovered >that it is not accessible to me as a blind person. Have anybody >experienced simillar problem? I am wanting to return the product >because it is not accessible and I want my full refund including >shipping cost. Can I ask for full refund including shipping cost >based on the arguement that the product is not accessible for a blind person? >thanks >Anmol From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Sep 29 07:25:48 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:25:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my latest Live Well column In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, Please read my latest blog column at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/09/29/a-defining-moment/ This blog is about my hospitalization for DKA and subsequent viral infection. Thank you for the support. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan From aec732 at msn.com Thu Sep 29 17:46:41 2011 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:46:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reply to Ashely B about magazines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there, Learning Ally (formerly RFB&D) does not produce magazines. Newswek is available free from APH and the quality is excellent but the format is cassette tape only. Browse nlsbard.loc.gov for magazines recorded in human speech from the NLS. Thanks, Annemarie Cooke Learning Ally Consultant From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Sep 29 21:23:46 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:23:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] reply to Ashely B about magazines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A71699CEB1C40149118F9401915D692@OwnerPC> Annemarie, Thanks for clarifying. I'm fine with cassettes. I did not realized APH produced newsweek for free. Maybe readers digest is free too then. I'll see. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Annemarie Cooke Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:46 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] reply to Ashely B about magazines Hi there, Learning Ally (formerly RFB&D) does not produce magazines. Newswek is available free from APH and the quality is excellent but the format is cassette tape only. Browse nlsbard.loc.gov for magazines recorded in human speech from the NLS. Thanks, Annemarie Cooke Learning Ally Consultant _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Sep 29 23:36:41 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:36:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] raiser's edge accessibility Message-ID: <1C9367D5833B4C5AB7DE05D06186FC52@OwnerPC> Hi all, I might be volunteering for a nonprofit that uses raiser’s edge. This is a database that stores donor information. Has anyone used this in a job/internship? How accessible is it? Will I need scripts for it? If you used it, how did you get around it? Tabbing to the edit fields? Will jaws quick key navigation keys like R for radio button work in it? Thanks. Ashley From amylsabo at comcast.net Fri Sep 30 02:58:02 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:58:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Perform-talk] Sign Up Link For The 1000 Miles Tournament In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cc7f1c$c88cbc20$59a63460$@comcast.net> Hello all, I hope that you are all doing well. Here is a awesome contest that you could all participate in and, you might even win a free trip to anywhere in the usa... please read on how you can enter this awesome this contest! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:perform-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:52 PM To: mediareq at lists.mediareq.com; perform-talk at nfbnet.org Subject: [Perform-talk] Sign Up Link For The 1000 Miles Tournament Hi All! If you want to be part of the 1000 miles tournament AudioAccessFM is running, and maybe win a trip to anywhere in the United States, go here to read about the tournament and to sign up: http://www.audioaccessfm.com/1000miles Good luck to those who decide to play. >From David ****** If you're tired of stations that just give you the same types of programming over and over again, then come with me on a magical audio journey that leads to AudioAccessFM! This is a station where you'll hear anything from pop to rap to country; you'll hear dramatic radio to documentaries to educational programming and more! To be part of this audio adventure, strap yourself in and go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com as we stretch the boundaries of sound entertainment with sweet ear candy! Give us a try, you'll be glad you did _______________________________________________ Perform-talk mailing list Perform-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/perform-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Perform-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/perform-talk_nfbnet.org/amylsab o%40comcast.net From aec732 at msn.com Fri Sep 30 20:48:44 2011 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:48:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] more on accessible magazines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ashley and all: APH produces Reader's Digest for free on cassette....but Newsline and the NLS surely have an amazing array of accessible magazines. Cheers, Annemarie Cooke Learning Ally Consultant