[nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode

Sun Sep 11 23:09:07 UTC 2011

Hi Steve,

I understand that. Maybe Sharon would be helpfull in writing the
resolution, which is why I gave her email to Joshua. Joshua, because
the convention isn't until next summer, if you feel strongly enough to
do this, I would either email Dr. Maurer at
officeofthepresident at nfb.org or write a Braille letter and send it to
the national center, attention Marc Maurer. Or you can skip the NFB
altogether, and see if you can find a way to send your feedback
directly to BANA. Just my thoughts!

Chris

On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I know Sharon, and I am certain she would be of help.  What I was trying to
> explain is that it isn't the resolution's
> committees jobs in general to write resolutions, but rather to work with
> resolutions that have already been written.
> People who feel strongly about an issue need to find others and work
> together to write a resolution.  My point in
> mentioning next summer is this.  The reason this has come up now is because
> a message was posted on one of our
> lists.  BANA and other braille bodies throughout the world have been
> wrestling with this problem for a decade or two
> now.  It could be that some things might well change by next convention so
> writing a resolution now for next summer
> just doesn't make much sense.  Writing a resolution next spring with facts
> and concerns that are current as of that time
> makes more sense.  The discussion here is occurring as if something is going
> to happen within days, and that's not the
> case.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:34:21 -0400, chris nusbaum wrote:
>
>>Hi Ashley and everyone,
>
>>For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the
>>BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject
>>Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I
>>are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something
>>from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave
>>that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas
>>he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all
>>members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do
>>you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are
>>the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments,
>>Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to
>>talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be
>>written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer,
>>but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a
>>resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee.
>
>>Chris
>
>>On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who
>>> should
>>> not pick up bad language from this
>>> list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many
>>> kid's
>>> parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they
>>> were learning profanity from a list.
>>>
>>> Now  to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press
>>> release? What do they wish to replace it with?
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>> Nemethbraillecode
>>>
>>> Hi Joshua,
>>>
>>> I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should
>>> limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might
>>> discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection
>>> from profanity anymore...  Lord knows I hear it from my parents!
>>> * Smiles!
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>
>>>   Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
>>> www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>> Nemeth braillecode
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>> The cursing is back!
>>> We have an eighth grader, on this list.
>>> Please keep the profanety down.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 9/10/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Joshua,
>>>
>>> That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there
>>> not
>>> being  significant capital, behind this braille unification
>>> bullshit...  We might  accept a fact that we might be, nice and
>>> outnumbered, in this. .  The locals seem to really dig
>>> mediocrity.  I
>>> guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do.
>>> 06
>>> PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>> Carly, it's shameful.
>>> I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee.
>>> Hopefully, I'll hear something.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 9/10/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Joshua,
>>>
>>> I'm with ya, brother!
>>>
>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as
>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I
>>> know
>>> and love so very deeply.  In fact, my Not being able to find
>>> meaning
>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any
>>> less.
>>> 2011, you wrote:
>>> I'm all for a unified Braille code.
>>> That code, is the Nemeth Code!
>>> Leave it alone!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 9/10/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>>> wrote:
>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille
>>> code
>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com
>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the
>>> National
>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization
>>> providing
>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille
>>> transcribers here in
>>> the United States.  The President's Message states, "At some
>>> point in
>>> the
>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision
>>> about a unified
>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will
>>> combine
>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and
>>> constructions."
>>>
>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to
>>> the Braille
>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA
>>> "Education and
>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a
>>> universal
>>> code."
>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6,
>>> 2011
>>> and
>>> will
>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB.
>>>
>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of
>>> maths in
>>> the
>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior
>>> to
>>> the
>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to
>>> take
>>> action
>>> now.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the
>>> Nemeth
>>> code
>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India
>>> and
>>> Indonesia
>>> which have larger populations of braille users?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> SusanJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>Chris Nusbaum
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>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
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>>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
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Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"