[nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode

Sun Sep 11 23:37:59 UTC 2011

NUBS info coming soon.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the 
Nemethbraillecode

> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam.  I forwarded some of 
> the messages that appeared here, and
> she asked if I would post the following for her.
>
> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote:
> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared 
> with
> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and the
> Nemeth Code.  In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I 
> would
> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is being
> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille
> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be
> followed shortly by the third).  The article is intended to lay out the
> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is 
> considering.
> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be
> making snap decisions.  We have asked for and will continue to seek input
> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well.
>
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>
>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does 
>>it
>>resemble the current math code?
>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Joshua Lester
>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>Nemethbraillecode
>
>>Mr Jacobson:
>>Please E-mail me off list.
>>I'm interested in his new code.
>>Thanks, Joshua
>
>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this.
>>> First,
>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the
>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second,
>>> resolutions won't be considered until next
>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out.  I've been trying to 
>>> follow
>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things
>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface.  Whether we like
>>> it
>>> or not, print has been and is changing very
>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to
>>> keep
>>> up.  Something has to happen to let us
>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to
>>> seemlessly
>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing
>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long 
>>> ago.
>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics
>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is
>>> still
>>> an open question, as far as I know.
>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even 
>>> sees
>>> limitations in the current code and has
>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant
>>> change
>>> from the current code.
>>>
>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that
>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary
>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject.  Let's 
>>> just
>>> keep our cool a little.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think you will.  She's good that way.  If you don't let me
>>>>know.
>>>
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>
>>>>  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>>>Nemeth braillecode
>>>
>>>>Carly, it's shameful.
>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee.
>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something.
>>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Joshua,
>>>
>>>> I'm with ya, brother!
>>>
>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as
>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I
>>>>know
>>>> and love so very deeply.  In fact, my Not being able to find
>>>>meaning
>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any
>>>>less.
>>>> 2011, you wrote:
>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code.
>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code!
>>>>Leave it alone!
>>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille
>>>>code
>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com
>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011
>>>
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>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>---------------
>>>
>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the
>>>>National
>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization
>>>> providing
>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille
>>>> transcribers here in
>>>> the United States.  The President's Message states, "At some
>>>>point in the
>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision
>>>> about a unified
>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will
>>>>combine
>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and
>>>> constructions."
>>>
>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to
>>>> the Braille
>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA
>>>>"Education and
>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a
>>>>universal
>>>> code."
>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6,
>>>>2011 and
>>>> will
>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB.
>>>
>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of
>>>>maths in the
>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior
>>>>to the
>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to
>>>>take
>>>> action
>>>> now.
>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the
>>>>Nemeth
>>>> code
>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India
>>>>and
>>>> Indonesia
>>>> which have larger populations of braille users?
>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> SusanJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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