[nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemethbraillecode

Mon Sep 12 02:14:54 UTC 2011

Steve,
Great points. I also think waiting to write a resolution next year closer to 
the convention with current facts is a good idea.
Since many of us are comfortable with the current system, I hope future 
changes are implemented slowly and are not too dramatic. For instance, I 
like the dropped numbers for math now. It makes it easier to recognize those 
math numbers for what they are.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Jacobson
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the 
Nemethbraillecode

Chris,

I know Sharon, and I am certain she would be of help.  What I was trying to 
explain is that it isn't the resolution's
committees jobs in general to write resolutions, but rather to work with 
resolutions that have already been written.
People who feel strongly about an issue need to find others and work 
together to write a resolution.  My point in
mentioning next summer is this.  The reason this has come up now is because 
a message was posted on one of our
lists.  BANA and other braille bodies throughout the world have been 
wrestling with this problem for a decade or two
now.  It could be that some things might well change by next convention so 
writing a resolution now for next summer
just doesn't make much sense.  Writing a resolution next spring with facts 
and concerns that are current as of that time
makes more sense.  The discussion here is occurring as if something is going 
to happen within days, and that's not the
case.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:34:21 -0400, chris nusbaum wrote:

>Hi Ashley and everyone,

>For anybody interested in this issue, you may want to join the
>BANA-Announce list. To do this, send a blank email with the subject
>Subscribe to bana-announce at brailleauthority.org. Dave Andrews and I
>are subscribed to that list, so when there's new rules or something
>from BANA, one of us usually posts it to the lists. Usually I leave
>that up to Dave, since I'm only limited to the lists I'm on, whereas
>he can post it to the NFB-Net-Members list and it will go to all
>members of all NFB lists. Speaking of Dave, as the moderator, what do
>you think of this discussion? I'd love to hear from you, since you are
>the owner and moderator! I agree with you on most of your comments,
>Steve. I'd just say that I think any Federationist has the right to
>talk to Sharon and express their opinion that a resolution should be
>written. Yes, the resolution won't be considered until next summer,
>but I do think that if a member suggested something to her about a
>resolution, Sharon would bring it up to the resolutions comittee.

>Chris

>On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> We can discuss without profanity and yes there are youth on here who 
>> should
>> not pick up bad language from this
>> list. Chris, you may be fine with it and not offended, but I bet many 
>> kid's
>> parents would be and would take their kids off quickly if they knew they
>> were learning profanity from a list.
>>
>> Now  to the issue. Has anyone researched Bana's position or seen a press
>> release? What do they wish to replace it with?
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:31 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>> Nemethbraillecode
>>
>> Hi Joshua,
>>
>> I think you're talking about me, and while I think we should
>> limit the profanity because it's an archived list and that might
>> discourage people from joining the list, I don't need protection
>> from profanity anymore...  Lord knows I hear it from my parents!
>> * Smiles!
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>
>>   Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
>> www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:33:49 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>> Nemeth braillecode
>>
>> Wow!
>> The cursing is back!
>> We have an eighth grader, on this list.
>> Please keep the profanety down.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 9/10/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, Joshua,
>>
>> That sounds perhaps a worthwhile gesture, in the event of there
>> not
>> being  significant capital, behind this braille unification
>> bullshit...  We might  accept a fact that we might be, nice and
>> outnumbered, in this. .  The locals seem to really dig
>> mediocrity.  I
>> guess you can just refuse to learn it, that's what I plan to do.
>> 06
>> PM 9/10/2011, Joshua Lester wrote:
>> Carly, it's shameful.
>> I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee.
>> Hopefully, I'll hear something.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 9/10/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, Joshua,
>>
>> I'm with ya, brother!
>>
>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as
>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I
>> know
>> and love so very deeply.  In fact, my Not being able to find
>> meaning
>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any
>> less.
>> 2011, you wrote:
>> I'm all for a unified Braille code.
>> That code, is the Nemeth Code!
>> Leave it alone!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 9/10/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> wrote:
>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille
>> code
>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com
>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011
>>
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>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------------
>>
>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the
>> National
>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization
>> providing
>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille
>> transcribers here in
>> the United States.  The President's Message states, "At some
>> point in
>> the
>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision
>> about a unified
>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will
>> combine
>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and
>> constructions."
>>
>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to
>> the Braille
>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA
>> "Education and
>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a
>> universal
>> code."
>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6,
>> 2011
>> and
>> will
>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB.
>>
>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of
>> maths in
>> the
>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior
>> to
>> the
>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to
>> take
>> action
>> now.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the
>> Nemeth
>> code
>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India
>> and
>> Indonesia
>> which have larger populations of braille users?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> SusanJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>-- 
>Chris Nusbaum

>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>impaired children in MD say "I can!"

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