[nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishingtheNemethbraillecode

Mon Sep 12 02:24:22 UTC 2011

What does Nubs entail, I wonder? Does it combine nemeth code and literary 
code? Is its scope for all north america or does this affect the europeans 
too? Remember that england and some other countries have English as their 
official language or use it widely. I wondered how this will impact english 
in other countries.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 7:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering 
abolishingtheNemethbraillecode

Interesting information.
I'll E-mail someone, that knows Doctor Nemeth, and I'll give them my
address, so I can get a feel for what the NUBS code is, and how to use
it.
Blessings, Joshua

On 9/11/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Please note that this is from over two years ago, so some things may have
> changed.PRESS RELEASE March, 2009 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Judith
> Dixon, Chairperson Braille Authority of North America PHONE: 
> 1-202-707-0722
> E-MAIL: <mailto:jdix at loc.gov>jdix at loc.gov Braille Authority of North
> America To Evaluate Nemeth Uniform Braille System The Braille Authority of
> North America announced today that it is making plans for the evaluation 
> of
> the recently completed Nemeth Uniform Braille System (NUBS). According to
> its developer, Dr. Abraham Nemeth, NUBS is an updated version of the 
> Nemeth
> code, which has been in use since 1972.  The new system has been in
> development for ten years and is capable of rendering both literary and
> technical texts. "BANA deliberates very carefully before making even small
> changes to braille," said Judith Dixon, BANA chairperson.  "We want to
> ensure that braille readers have access to the same information as do 
> their
> print-reading counterparts in this age in which the norms for printed
> material are evolving rapidly.  However, it is essential that we 
> understand
> the impact of any changes on readability, writeability, space
> considerations, familiarity to current braille readers, etc.  The benefits
> of making any change must be shown to outweigh the drawbacks." The 
> timeline
> and other details of the evaluation process are still being determined. 
> The
> evaluation will involve the input of all stakeholders,  and information on
> how those interested can provide input will be made available soon. To 
> view
> the completed code, or to read documents explaining the code, visit
> http://www.braille2000.com/brl2000/nubs.htm The mission and purpose of the
> Braille Authority of North America are to assure literacy for tactile
> readers through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. 
> BANA
> promotes and facilitates the use, teaching and production of braille. It
> publishes rules, interprets and renders opinions pertaining to braille in
> all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence or to be 
> developed
> in the future, in collaboration with other countries using English 
> braille.
> In exercising its function and authority, BANA considers the effects of 
> its
> decisions on other existing braille codes and formats; the ease of
> production by various methods; and acceptability to readers. For 
> additional
> resource information, visit www.brailleauthority.org.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing
> theNemethbraillecode
>
>
>> NUBS info coming soon.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>> Nemethbraillecode
>>
>>
>>> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam.  I forwarded some of
>>> the messages that appeared here, and
>>> she asked if I would post the following for her.
>>>
>>> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote:
>>> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared
>>> with
>>> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and
>>> the
>>> Nemeth Code.  In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I
>>> would
>>> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is
>>> being
>>> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille
>>> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be
>>> followed shortly by the third).  The article is intended to lay out the
>>> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is
>>> considering.
>>> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be
>>> making snap decisions.  We have asked for and will continue to seek 
>>> input
>>> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does
>>>>it
>>>>resemble the current math code?
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Joshua Lester
>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>>>Nemethbraillecode
>>>
>>>>Mr Jacobson:
>>>>Please E-mail me off list.
>>>>I'm interested in his new code.
>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this.
>>>>> First,
>>>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the
>>>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and 
>>>>> second,
>>>>> resolutions won't be considered until next
>>>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out.  I've been trying to
>>>>> follow
>>>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things
>>>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface.  Whether we
>>>>> like
>>>>> it
>>>>> or not, print has been and is changing very
>>>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille 
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep
>>>>> up.  Something has to happen to let us
>>>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to
>>>>> seemlessly
>>>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing
>>>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long
>>>>> ago.
>>>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics
>>>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is
>>>>> still
>>>>> an open question, as far as I know.
>>>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even
>>>>> sees
>>>>> limitations in the current code and has
>>>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant
>>>>> change
>>>>> from the current code.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as 
>>>>> that
>>>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary
>>>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject.  Let's
>>>>> just
>>>>> keep our cool a little.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I think you will.  She's good that way.  If you don't let me
>>>>>>know.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>
>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>>>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
>>>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
>>>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>>>>>Nemeth braillecode
>>>>>
>>>>>>Carly, it's shameful.
>>>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee.
>>>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something.
>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Joshua,
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm with ya, brother!
>>>>>
>>>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as
>>>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I
>>>>>>know
>>>>>> and love so very deeply.  In fact, my Not being able to find
>>>>>>meaning
>>>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any
>>>>>>less.
>>>>>> 2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code.
>>>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code!
>>>>>>Leave it alone!
>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>>>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille
>>>>>>code
>>>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com
>>>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011
>>>>>
>>>>>>   a..  Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility
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>>>>>> the Nemeth
>>>>>> braillecode
>>>>>>   c..  Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>---------------
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the
>>>>>>National
>>>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization
>>>>>> providing
>>>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille
>>>>>> transcribers here in
>>>>>> the United States.  The President's Message states, "At some
>>>>>>point in the
>>>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision
>>>>>> about a unified
>>>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will
>>>>>>combine
>>>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and
>>>>>> constructions."
>>>>>
>>>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to
>>>>>> the Braille
>>>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA
>>>>>>"Education and
>>>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a
>>>>>>universal
>>>>>> code."
>>>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6,
>>>>>>2011 and
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of
>>>>>>maths in the
>>>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior
>>>>>>to the
>>>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to
>>>>>>take
>>>>>> action
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the
>>>>>>Nemeth
>>>>>> code
>>>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India
>>>>>>and
>>>>>> Indonesia
>>>>>> which have larger populations of braille users?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> SusanJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>---------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>   a..  Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility
>>>>>>   b..  Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering
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>>>>>> the Nemeth
>>>>>> braillecode
>>>>>>   c..  Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [
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