[nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishingtheNemethbraillecode

Mon Sep 12 21:30:02 UTC 2011

Can you send that as an attachment instead of pasted in an email? 
Thanks!

 Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
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nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

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 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
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Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:50:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering 
abolishingtheNemethbraillecode

I also have a much longer document that is NUBS rules.

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Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing
theNemethbraillecode

 NUBS info coming soon.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
 Nemethbraillecode

 The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam.  I forwarded 
some of
 the messages that appeared here, and
 she asked if I would post the following for her.

 Jennifer Dunnam Wrote:
 "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has 
shared
 with
 me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding 
BANA and
 the
 Nemeth Code.  In addition to the excellent points that he has 
made, I
 would
 strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article 
that is
 being
 distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May 
Braille
 Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers 
(to be
 followed shortly by the third).  The article is intended to lay 
out the
 issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is
 considering.
 Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and 
will not be
 making snap decisions.  We have asked for and will continue to 
seek input
 from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well.

 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote:

I'm interested in Nemeth's new code.  What does it combine? How 
much does
it
resemble the current math code?

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
Nemethbraillecode

Mr Jacobson:
Please E-mail me off list.
I'm interested in his new code.
Thanks, Joshua

On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
 Hi,

 Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on 
this.
 First,
 one doesn't just complain to the chair of the
 resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and 
second,
 resolutions won't be considered until next
 summer so there is time to sort all this out.  I've been trying 
to
 follow
 the BANA deliberations on some of this and things
 just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface.  Whether 
we
 like
 it
 or not, print has been and is changing very
 quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for 
braille to
 keep
 up.  Something has to happen to let us
 expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how 
to
 seemlessly
 weave in the kinds of technical writing
 that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not 
long
 ago.
 Whether a separate code for mathematics
 needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth 
code is
 still
 an open question, as far as I know.
 Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr.  
Nemeth even
 sees
 limitations in the current code and has
 created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a 
significant
 change
 from the current code.

 I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code 
as that
 isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary
 for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject.  
Let's
 just
 keep our cool a little.

 Best regards,

 Steve Jacobson

 On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote:

I think you will.  She's good that way.  If you don't let me
know.

 Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)

  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"

Sent from my BrailleNote

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
Nemeth braillecode

Carly, it's shameful.
I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee.
Hopefully, I'll hear something.
Blessings, Joshua

On 9/10/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:

 Hi, Joshua,

 I'm with ya, brother!

 The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as
 being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I
know
 and love so very deeply.  In fact, my Not being able to find
meaning
 within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any
less.
 2011, you wrote:
I'm all for a unified Braille code.
That code, is the Nemeth Code!
Leave it alone!
Blessings, Joshua

On 9/10/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
 [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille
code
 Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com
 Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011

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 I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the
National
 Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization
 providing
 continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille
 transcribers here in
 the United States.  The President's Message states, "At some
point in the
 near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision
 about a unified
 braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will
combine
 literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and
 constructions."

 Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to
 the Braille
 Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA
"Education and
 Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a
universal
 code."
 Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6,
2011 and
 will
 be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB.

 If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of
maths in the
 current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior
to the
 Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to
take
 action
 now.

 Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the
Nemeth
 code
 just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India
and
 Indonesia
 which have larger populations of braille users?

 Sincerely,
 SusanJ

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