[nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Tue Sep 13 14:39:59 UTC 2011
I hate to veer off the given topic, somewhat, but I want to say
something about Nimer Jaber's points.
#1. Bill ORiley, isn't anyone's puppet.
He's endependent.
#2. Fox News isn't run by a Republican machine, because both sides of
the aisle, are fairly represented, which makes Fox News the most
trusted name in news.
The ratings prove it!
Fox News is #1, while MSNBC, (which I call, MSLSD,) is dead last.
That ought to tell you something.
Blessings, Joshua
On 9/12/11, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ashley,
>
> I know there used to be a lot of problems, especially in the 70's
> and early 80's, with airlines taking our canes away when we get
> on the plane. There were a couple NFB songs written about this,
> and I wish I could remember the line from "Daring Young Man on
> the Flying Trapeze" about airlines taking blind people's canes,
> but unfortunately I can't, nor can I find my song book at the
> moment. All I remember is "But we say our white canes will
> stay." The Federation sued United Airlines about this in the late
> 70's (I'm not sure of the year) and won. I didn't know, however,
> that we were having these problems. If we really are, and some
> people are just overreacting to the fact that the TSA security
> agents (who, by the way, aren't employed by the airlines, but are
> government employees) X-ray your canes, I'd suggest to file a
> complaint with the airline, talk to the NFB, or both. However,
> it's a security measure to X-ray canes, and being the independent
> travelers we are, I don't think we should have a problem with
> that. Before I was independent enough to do this on my own, I
> would ask the TSA agent to do sighted guide with me (after
> showing them the correct technique, of course) to the other side
> of the little X-ray area, then hand the cane out to me when they
> were done scanning it. Now, they take the cane, and I
> independently go to the other side of the little area, find the
> tile, and wait for the cane. Just my two cents!
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:01:14 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> Beth,
> What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several
> Muslims and if
> we stay away from religion, we are okay.
> Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know
> the outrage
> expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was taken
> to be
> x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and
> nothing was
> said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard
> the problems
> from other blind flyers expressed here. Security is a pain, but
> it’s a pain
> for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all
> possible. As
> Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the
> intrusive
> security screening.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM
> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
> Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> Btw, I converted to Ilam last year. I don't appreciate anybody
> trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category. Barack
> Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims. I
> have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god
> knows how many times.
> My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any
> tours of duty. I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim
> veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore.
> The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't
> want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane. I don't want
> my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their
> boots wet over my hair. Thanks.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind
> people's
> canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been
> happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I
> have
> had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I
> know
> there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's
> the
> difference between having the right to be independent and travel
> with
> a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation
> vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some
> other
> group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction
> will
> attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has
> done,
> everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just
> be
> taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric
> but I
> can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college
> professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ...
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Joshua and everyone,
>
> Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights
> like the
> airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area
> that will
> determine the availability of flights to where you need to go
> being offered.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
>
> Do they have services, in Arkansas?
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Vejas and everyone,
>
> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the
> airlines. There
> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats
> on
> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As
> the
> situation
> with the airlines degrades even further these services are
> expected to
> grow
> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a
> number of
> private
> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible
> that we
> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these
> services compared
> to that we've received from the airlines over the years.
> For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web
> Sites are
> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to
> navigate. A
> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel
> ventures is:
> http://www.socialflights.com
>
> While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process
> their Web
> site
> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this
> company.
> It's
> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a
> Facebook Account
> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in
> to Social
> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind
> to a higher
> level!
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vejas" <brlsurfer at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
>
> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is
> more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people
> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our
> canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB
> travelers we are.
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after
> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad.
> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies'
> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of
> people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had
> to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't
> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they
> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white
> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so
> good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy
> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues.
> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents
> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to
> make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of
> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people
> who died, but the repercussions that followed.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> Thanks Josh,
> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also
> be
> active.
> Vote for whom you believe will
> make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and
> security is
> an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not
> a
> student
> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next
> semester at
> nova, community college.
>
> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police
> office if you
> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is,
> and
> meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount
> university, just
> had security officers.
> Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with
> friends back
> to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such
> a
> service.
> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to
> enter
> the dorm;
> this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially
> at
> night.
> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to
> a
> friend's
> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go
> somewhere safe.
> Safety is a big priority.
>
> Okay, that's my tips for now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> Ashley:
> Great post!
> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind
> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on
> vacation.
> This security issue is important.
> May God bless America.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
> We all have varying views on how to address safety and
> security.
> But
> somehow, some way, those terrorists got through.
> We were attacked a decade ago.
> I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news.
> School was
> closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the
> choir,
> band, and
> other groups performed to commemorate 9/11.
> I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be
> praying for
> our
> country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary.
> I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a
> nation. If
> you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you
> recovered
> somewhat
> from the tragedy.
>
> Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials
> today and
> still
> others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you
> are doing
> anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you.
>
> Take care.
> Ashley
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